Pod Insights The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett Most Replayed Moment: 6 Daily Habits That Expose Your Fake Values - Deepak Chopra About this episode Dr Deepak Chopra is a world-renowned expert in mind-body medicine, a best-selling author, and a global leader in the field of personal transformation. With over 85 books to his name, Deepak's work has revolutionised the way we approach wellness and consciousness.
In today’s moment’s episode, Deepak Chopra reveals six daily habits that can radically transform your life. He also explores the profound impact of awareness, explaining how shifting your consciousness can help you break free from the cycle of stress and rediscover your true, authentic self.
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0:04 Steven Bartlett? So in your life, if someone dies, God forbid, do you suffer?
0:10 Speaker 01 You grieve, which is a natural process and it has a life cycle. You don't hold on to it. In fact, you embrace it. You embrace the... Anytime you recoil or deny, resistance creates even more stress. So what we call stress is resistance to existence in the moment. Okay, if you don't resist experience in the moment, you know it's passing by.
0:40 Steven Bartlett? So something really bad happens at work. I get a really bad... You know, my boss tells me I'm fired. The mindset required to avoid suffering in that case is to take the news.
0:52 Speaker 01 It's not a mindset.
0:54 Steven Bartlett? It's a...
0:54 Speaker 01 It's a step in awareness. The awareness of the mind is not the mind.
1:02 Speaker 01 Who is it that... Or what is it that knows a thought? That is what you need to shift to.
1:09 Steven Bartlett? Okay.
1:10 Speaker 01 Once you shift from the experience to the awareness in which the experience is happening, you're independent of it. And that's what actually those eight limbs of yoga are about. It's a process.
1:27 Speaker 01 A shift in identity. We started with that. A shift in identity from your assumed self to your fundamental self, which is infinite, which is without cause, which is not subject to birth and death, which is spaceless, timeless, incomprehensible, infinite, irreducible and fundamental.
1:52 Steven Bartlett? It feels almost like I'm stepping out of myself and looking at myself.
1:56 Speaker 01 Correct. Looking at the projection of yourself.
2:01 Steven Bartlett? The projection of myself, yeah.
2:02 Speaker 01 You're looking at the projection of yourself.
2:04 Steven Bartlett? Which is very hard to do.
2:05 Speaker 01 Looking at your avatar.
2:07 Steven Bartlett? And it's very hard to do because we are increasingly becoming avatars, especially with things like social media.
2:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
2:13 Steven Bartlett? We're being reinforced, like, you know, I have two million followers or a million followers or 500,000 followers that are following my avatar.
2:20 Speaker 01 So we don't know who we are. You've confused yourself with the avatar. And the battle is all between avatars wanting importance.
2:29 Steven Bartlett? How does one resign from that battle and take back my peace?
2:35 Speaker 01 Actually, the opposite of that is creativity.
2:39 Speaker 01 Creativity is the opposite of determinism. If you don't want to be a biological robot or an algorithm, which is what we are now, we are biological algorithms, biological robots, and that's, by the way, part of our evolution. It's not something, all animals, but the animals have an advantage. They live in the present moment. But you and I have an imagination that can see into the future, that can even look at death, you know, as the culmination of this life experience. We regret the past, we anticipate the future. We're never in the present when it's the only place we are right now is the present.
3:24 Speaker 01 There is no way to escape it, but in our imagination, we escape it. So the worst use of imagination is stress. The best use of imagination is creativity. Creativity is a disruption in the algorithm. It's a discontinuity, fundamental creativity, not, you know, usual.
3:43 Speaker 01 Innovation like iPhone thirteen instead of iPhone twelve with a better camera. That's not what creativity is. Creativity is a death and a resurrection. It's a death of context, meaning, relationship and story. And a new meaning, relationship and story. Whether it's, that's fundamental creativity. That's Einstein coming up with the theory of relativity. Or the quantum physicists breaking every rule that we knew in Newtonian physics. Or a great piece of art, Beethoven's Fifth. These are original, original creativity is a disruption in the algorithm.
4:25 Steven Bartlett? To, to this idea of my avatar, my avatar getting into this sort of avatar war with other, with other avatars. My antidote to that is my own creativity.
4:37 Speaker 01 Your own creativity. You know, every moment you have a choice to repeat the past or be a pioneer of creativity of the future. And that happens, by the way, it happens individually, it happens collectively. We change worldviews. You know, the world is not flat anymore. The ground is not stationary anymore. You know, the world is not material anymore. Every technology that you use is based on the new idea that the essential nature of the physical world is, it's not physical. If I could see you as you really are, I'd see a huge emptiness with a few scattered dots and spots and some random electrical discharges.
5:20 Speaker 01 And at the most fundamental level, there are no boundaries. Boundaries are perceptual. So when we experience the spiritual ecstasy, which is ineffable, there are no boundaries. That's why people in near-death experience, people with psychedelic experience, people with peak experiences, athletes, musical performance, any, any break from ordinary reality is ineffable. And healing, actually. That's why the recent resurgence in psychedelics is very interesting
5:59 Speaker 01 because, you know, it, it takes you away from your identity of being squeezed into the volume of a body in the span of a lifetime.
6:12 Steven Bartlett? And point number four, the five points of suffering, point number four.
6:16 Speaker 01 Point number four, confusing yourself with yourself, your ego identity.
6:21 Steven Bartlett? We've talked about that. And number five is death.
6:22 Speaker 01 Death. But all of them have one solution. First one, find out who you are.
6:30 Steven Bartlett? How does one find out who they are?
6:31 Speaker 01 Transcendence.
6:33 Steven Bartlett? How does one transcend?
6:33 Speaker 01 There's no, here's another thing, there's no system of thought,
6:39 Speaker 01 no system of thought, religion, philosophy or science, that'll get you into knowing true reality, because systems of thought are just that, systems of thought. What is it that gives rise to thought? That is what you want to know. And that's been the eternal quest in spiritual traditions. I'm not talking about religious dogma or ideology. You know, these days is very fashionable for people to say, I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual. It means the same thing. When you have a spiritual experience, number one, transcendence, you find your identity beyond space and time.
7:22 Speaker 01 Number two, emergence of platonic values like truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, named after Plato, or love, compassion, joy, equanimity. And number three, loss of the fear of death. That's Jesus, that's Muhammad, that's Rumi, that's Buddha, that's every luminary that you have can study since
7:45 Speaker 01 people created systems of thought.
7:48 Steven Bartlett? So how does, what's the easiest way to, you know, there's someone listening to this right now. They are driving up the motorway, they're a lorry driver.
7:56 Speaker 01 Take some time every day
7:59 Speaker 01 to be unoccupied. Even spiritual pursuit is an occupation. So take a little bit of, you know, what I think it was Kafka or somebody who said, all of human problem, humanities problems come from our inability to sit quietly and do nothing.
8:17 Steven Bartlett? We'd rather electrocute ourselves.
8:19 Speaker 01 We're always doing, doing, doing. We have human doings. We're not human beings anymore.
8:25 Steven Bartlett? So if I take, I pull over the lorry that I'm driving up the motorway. And I say, you know what, Deepak told me to take some time for myself. So I sit in the lorry for 15 minutes every day. How is that going to help me to transcend?
8:39 Speaker 01 It starts a process. We begin to ask ourselves, who am I? I'd reflect on this, these questions every day. Who am I? What do I want? What is my purpose? What am I grateful for? And who am I without these constructs?
9:00 Speaker 01 It's, it's a big mystery, right? Who you are. Ultimately, you realize you're the awareness in which all experience happens. But you're not the experience. The experience is in time. You are not in time. And this requires a different kind of education. It's not part of our culture.
9:22 Speaker 01 It used to be part of cultures. You know, if you read Plato and the Republic and you'll see that, you know, this was part of every culture.
9:34 Speaker 01 But it was few luminaries. People romanticize even about this, you know, India is a spiritual country. Well, India's been violent forever. A few luminaries, the sages of the upnisha, then we have romance around them. Greek culture, you know, oh, the Greeks were the most civilized in the world. Well, yes, Socrates and Parmenides and, you know, Pythagoras. And I can name a few, but the rest of the country, even in those times.
10:08 Speaker 01 You know, they had slavery, they had sexism, they had these, the source of the Olympics, where they used to sacrifice humans. And, you know, we're still performing, even in our days, we're still repeating that cycle with what you call cheerleaders, the virgin vessels of the past. We haven't changed actually much.
10:35 Steven Bartlett? What else in terms of starting your day, like daily habits? So you talk about sleep as being incredibly important.
10:40 Speaker 01 Here are the daily habits. Number one is sleep. Now, we know, by the way, that lack of sleep is the number one predictor of premature death from cardiovascular disease. Lack of sleep is also a predictor of Alzheimer's. Lack of sleep interferes with your creativity. Lack of sleep causes inflammation, so that's for sure. Number one. Number two, I think, is any practice that quietens the mind. Meditation, reflection, contemplation, sitting quietly, watching your breath, et cetera. Number three is exercise. Number four is mind-body coordination, as in that's different than regular exercise.
11:24 Speaker 01 You yoga practice and martial arts, breathing practices, Tai Chi, Qi Gong. They actually activate a different part of your nervous system, which is the parasympathetic nervous system, which causes self-regulation in the body. So it's not just exercise. It's, you know, something that puts mind and body together, even gymnastics or things like Judo and I mentioned martial arts, but yoga is my practice. Then emotionals, your emotional and physical environment, your social environment, because we live as social beings.
12:07 Speaker 01 So, you know, if you're, if you're, you have toxic relationships, it's going to cause physical toxicity. Then nutrition, we now know that, you know, that food that causes inflammation, refined, manufactured, processed food with chemicals, antibiotics, hormones, insecticides, pesticides. It's poison. It's like putting poison, putting Agent Orange in your body. So organic food, farm-to-table, maximum diversity of plant-based foods. Now we know a lot about micronutrients, we know about biological rhythms. But ultimately, I think spiritual experience is very important because no matter what
12:52 Speaker 01 you do, no matter what you do, no matter how healthy you are, there is old age, there is infirmity, and there is death. So unless you face those right head-on.
13:05 Speaker 01 When you're healthy, not when you're in a crisis, not when somebody dies in your family, then everybody panics. Okay, I had a crisis in my life when I was six years old. My father was in England. He was training to be a cardiologist. I was living with my grandfather. And one day we got a telegram that my father had passed all his exams. He was now fellow of the Royal College of Physicians. Big deal in those days. We got a telegram. My grandfather wanted to celebrate. So he took me and my little brother to a carnival, then to a movie. I even remember the movie, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves.
13:49 Speaker 01 And then we went to a fancy restaurant. And then in the middle of the night, he died. And they took him for cremation, brought his ashes back in a little jar, about the size of this coffee cup, or little bigger. And one of my uncles said, what happened? Yesterday, he was taking the kids to a carnival. And today, he's a bunch of ashes. My little brother, who later became the dean of education at Harvard Medical School, he was four years old. He started to lose his skin. His skin started peeling off. I went into a panic. And, you know, my uncles took my brother to every physician.
14:32 Speaker 01 They couldn't find a diagnosis till somebody said, you know, he's missing his parents. He's feeling vulnerable. He's losing his skin. Shedding his skin because that's a metaphor for his vulnerability. He'll be fine when his parents come back. And sure enough, as soon as they came, my brother was healed. So at six years, I had a crisis, existential crisis. Went on to become a doctor. But what happens? You go to medical school. The first thing you see is a corpse. You're supposed to understand life by dissecting a body. You know, it's the way we are trained. You started off by looking at a human being as an anatomical structure rather than a process in consciousness.
15:19 Speaker 01 So it took me a long time, you know, going through medical school, training, myself going through crises, smoking, addictive behavior, alcohol. I remember resuscitating a patient, putting a pacemaker, putting him on a respirator and then going outside to smoke a cigarette. And then, you know, I was disgusted with myself. I threw away my cigarette. That evening, I threw away the scotch and I decided that I wanted to understand who am I.
15:59 Steven Bartlett? If I made you Prime Minister or President of the world, you know, if there was one significant change you could make to lead us more towards that better future of enlightenment.
16:08 Speaker 01 I would say an education that does not sacrifice self-awareness. We have information overload right now. I don't need information overload. I can Google it or now go to ChatGPT or something like that. What I need to know is who am I?
16:27 Steven Bartlett? How do you feel about ChatGPT? ChatG.
16:30 Speaker 01 P T. It's good. I think it's very good and I think it's unavoidable also. I actually went to a demonstration recently by Microsoft on something that's coming soon. It's called Prometheus. It's way beyond ChatGPT.
16:46 Steven Bartlett? Interesting.
16:48 Speaker 01 It'll put most of us physicians out of business because it makes the best diagnosis, gives the best information.
16:57 Steven Bartlett? What happens then in terms of your purpose and your meaning?
17:00 Speaker 01 Well, we have more time for creativity, fundamental creativity to create joy in the world. I think the essential message is.
17:12 Speaker 01 If you're not joyful, you wasted your life. I, you know, I see entrepreneurs all the time, young guys coming up to me with amazing ideas. But they're talking about exit strategy before they started the business. It's like, you know, dividing the loot before there's a train to rob. But they're already talking and we're living in a hustle culture. You know, I have five exits. You keep exiting, exiting, exiting, and you're still hustling and you're dying. And that's the final exit, you're still a hustler. So I say make joy and self-understanding, self-awareness,
17:56 Speaker 01 the fundamental purpose of existence and everything else will follow.
18:01 Steven Bartlett? Where's your joy? Where does that, where do you derive it from?
18:06 Speaker 01 The fact that I exist and I'm aware of existence, that's a perpetual surprise to me. I was looking at emotions and what's the healthiest emotion you can have? It's not love, it's not compassion. It's not even joy. It's awe.
18:27 Speaker 01 It's wonder. Why do we exist? And why do we have the awareness that we exist? If you're perpetually surprised and full of wonder and joy, you return to innocence. And what we've lost to this world today is the loss of innocence.
18:51 Steven Bartlett? How do I get my innocence back?
18:54 Speaker 01 Are you married?
18:55 Steven Bartlett? I'm in love.
18:56 Speaker 01 Okay, well, when you have a child, you'll see it. You'll see it. You know, a child is spontaneous.
19:06 Speaker 01 Isn't the moment is joyful unless it's wet or hungry, but that's a different situation. But it's joyful. It is looking. I was the other day, I was in a, in a train, you know, from Orlando Airport to baggage claim. Everybody was stressed in the train, wearing masks, panicked, a mother on the phone and full of anxiety. And she had a little baby in the crib. And this baby was looking around in total amazement. Finally, it caught my eyes and it gave the most amazing smile.
19:44 Speaker 01 And the whole, the whole room lighted up just looking at that innocence. We have lost our innocence and we, we, we take it away from our children. So, you know, when the children love laughter, they love stories, they love surprises, they love to play peek-a-boo. When's the last time you were surprised?
20:16 Steven Bartlett? I can't recall being surprised.
20:20 Speaker 01 So when I feel, when I feel I want some joy, I just look at children playing.
20:26 Steven Bartlett? Is there a way to bring that joy back into our lives as a practice? That innocence?
20:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, play, play, not drama.
20:35 Steven Bartlett? Has that else play is seen as a waste of time?
20:37 Speaker 01 No, play is, is when you find creativity and joy. I'm not talking about drama, I'm talking about play. Play for the sake of play. Now, even sports has become competitive. But when you played because you were playing, when a musician is playing, they're not thinking of the end. When you're singing a song, you're not thinking of the ending of the song. You're in the song. When you become the song, when you become that which you're playing, when the music and the musician become one, when the knower and the known become one, when the observer and the observer become one,
21:21 Speaker 01 when the lover and the beloved become one, that's transcendence, that's joy, that's play.
21:29 Steven Bartlett? What you just listened to was a most replayed moment from a previous episode. If you want to listen to that full episode, I've linked it down below. Check the description. Thank you.
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