The Prophet and The Reacharound with Special Guest Kevin Nealon

Conan and special guest Kevin Nealon chat with luchador Chris from Tucson about his wrestling persona The Prophet, his new agua frescas line, and what Conan and Kevin’s wrestling tag team duo would be called. Wanna get a chance to talk to Conan? Submit here: teamcoco.com/apply

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• 1:43Speaker 01

  Conan O'Brien needs a fan. Wanna talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com/callconan. Okay, let's get started. Hey, Chris, welcome to Conan Needs a Fan with Conan and special guest Kevin Nealon.

• 1:58Conan O'Brien?

  Kevin Nealon's joining us today. Chris, how are ya?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  I'm doing well, and yourself?

• 2:03Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, great. We're doing okay. Where are you coming to us from, Chris?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  The Dirty T, Tucktown, Tucson, Arizona.

• 2:10Conan O'Brien?

  All right. I was gonna say Tijuana. I know.

• 2:15Conan O'Brien?

  And tell us a little bit about yourself. I just have a little scrap of paper here that says that you are a... This is impressive. You're a luchador, is that right? You're a wrestler?

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've been in the wrestling business for 27 years now.

• 2:28Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Jeez. This is incredible. And you wrestle yourself? Do you have a... He wrestles himself. Yeah, well, we've all done that. What is that all about? Mostly in adolescence. That's not very fair.

• 2:40Conan O'Brien?

  There's a fix in. He always throws it to himself. Christopher, you have a character, right, when you're wrestling?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm fully masked. I have a character named The Prophet.

• 2:51Conan O'Brien?

  The Prophet? That's a great name. It's a great, it's a great name for a wrestler. And do we have a photograph? I think we have a photograph of you. Oh. Oh my god. Look at this. Look at that. That is impressive. So...

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:06Conan O'Brien?

  You are The Prophet. Tell us, when you're in character as the... These are great. Jeez, look at this. Tell us a little bit about this character, The Prophet. Are you someone who believes he's a prophet, or is your character really a prophet? Does he have magical powers? Can he see the future?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  It's more of a mystique type thing. A very quiet, just straight to the point. I get in the ring and do my job.

• 3:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  And just represent myself that way.

• 3:33Conan O'Brien?

  Do you have a signature move you do, Chris?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  It's called the prophecy.

• 3:37Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, what does that involve? Yeah, tell us about the prophecy. Do you... That sounds great. So, this signature move is called the prophecy, and at some point during your battle, you say, "Now it's time for the prophecy." And then what do you do?

• 3:53Speaker 02

  So I hook their arm over mine. I pick them up sideways like a body slam. I swing their body out and sit down and slam it.

• 4:03Conan O'Brien?

  My god. That's so prophetic. Can I say something?

• 4:08Speaker 03

  That's so prophetic, man.

• 4:10Conan O'Brien?

  Can I say something? That is a greater prophecy than anything I've read in the Old or New Testament. And I think, I think if those were the prophecies, people would really pay attention. There'd be much more religion in the world.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 4:21Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, that's very impressive.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 4:24Conan O'Brien?

  You have to be an amazing athlete to be a wrestler and to do it at the level that you've been doing it at for so long. Have you had some bad injuries? Tell us about that.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  I think I've been pretty fortunate, but around 10 years in, I did break my elbow. I had to get surgery on that.

• 4:42Conan O'Brien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  But the weirdest thing that happened to me is I came down with a condition called rhabdomyolysis.

• 4:48Conan O'Brien?

  Hmm.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  And that's basically where my muscles were breaking down and being filtered through my kidneys. So my urine was black.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  And that's bad?

• 5:02Conan O'Brien?

  No, no, no, no, no. No, not yet.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Here, amount.

• 5:05Conan O'Brien?

  Uh, Chris, get to the bad part. Yeah, get to the part where it's really... I mean, I don't think it's someone... There's not a person here who's not peeing some black urine right now. But wait a minute, why did this happen? Why... What is it about this condition? It breaks down your muscles, uh, and then converts it into a thick sludge that you then pee out.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  When you're on... You do that while you're standing on the ropes in the corner? Is that some kind of a defense, like an oil slick?

• 5:34Conan O'Brien?

  It's like a... You know what you should have done, Chris? You should have called your character... You should have called your character "The Squid", and just whenever you're about to lose, you shoot out this black stream. And your, your opponent is immediately immobilized.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  How many costumes do you have, Chris?

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Uh, probably around 15.

• 5:56Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 5:57Speaker 03

  Do you have one for more of like a formal fight? Or is it, uh...

• 6:01Speaker 02

  They're all the same, just different colors, and I make all my outfits myself.

• 6:04Conan O'Brien?

  I want to show some empathy here. Kevin, just stop for a second.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  I'm loving it.

• 6:09Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I know you're loving it, but I wanted to make sure. Chris, how did you get rid of this terrible disease? And are you cured now? And then we'll get on to all the bits about... Have you got a cumberbund? You know?

• 6:22Speaker 02

  So basically.

• 6:23Conan O'Brien?

  Do you ever wear a carnation? What happened to this disease?

• 6:28Speaker 02

  They needed to flush my system out, so I was in the hospital for a week on a IV. That was all I was doing.

• 6:34Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  It was for me a vacation.

• 6:36Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, it's always a vacation when you can just squirt out some black urine in a hospital. So then you recovered and the disease does not continue once it's flushed out, is that correct?

• 6:46Speaker 02

  I haven't got it again, but I'll honestly say I don't think I was ever 100% after that.

• 6:50Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, I apologize.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  It kinda looks like you have black pee coming out of your ears right now from those wires.

• 6:55Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, those are, those are headphones, Kevin.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  I'm talking about the wires.

• 7:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I know.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Chris, let's get back to the cummerbund.

• 7:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, hey, Chris, I'm sorry that I asked you momentarily about your health.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Followed up on that question.

• 7:11Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I'm really sorry about it. So yeah, so you went wee wee, it was all black. Hey, would you wear a tuxedo in the ring ever?

• 7:20Speaker 03

  You got a lot of fans, you got a lot of fans, Chris? What's your fan base?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Tucson, Tucson, Arizona, I built a pretty good following here. We do regular shows at the Rialto Theater downtown.

• 7:33Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, are you a good guy or a bad guy? Are you the heel or are you the hero?

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Uh, so I've been the hero for the majority of my career, but two years ago I turned heel and had a little feud with another wrestler. That was the last time I wrestled, I haven't had a match in two years.

• 7:48Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, who's your arch enemy? Did you have a nemesis, someone who the prophet always hated? You know, the cummerbund or whatever the other guy was?

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Well, the coolest thing I've done storyline wise was I had a feud against myself, the false prophet.

• 8:05Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, that's a great idea.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we stressed it out for a year, year and a half, we had a series of matches and we were playing tricks, you know, look over here while he's over there and vice versa, so it was fun.

• 8:19Conan O'Brien?

  But wait a minute, did you play both characters?

• 8:22Speaker 02

  So I had, one of my original trainees became my disciple, basically.

• 8:28Conan O'Brien?

  That's a great idea. Yeah, it's pretty cool. The false prophet is a terrific, and would the false prophet try to do the prophecy on you?

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:37Conan O'Brien?

  I knew it.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  As agile as me, so we're able to do each other's moves.

• 8:42Conan O'Brien?

  Now, if you each did the prophecy to each other, was it one of those things where it cancels out and there's like a bright flash?

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, a black hole.

• 8:51Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. These are good questions, Kevin. I'm sorry. Oh, this isn't sticky enough for my partner here.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Can I get to like a real question?

• 8:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Uh, Chris, you grew up as a Mormon, correct?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  I did.

• 9:03Speaker 03

  And did you watch wrestling growing up?

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Not till, uh, teenage years.

• 9:08Conan O'Brien?

  Do you think the fact that you grew up in the Mormon faith steered you towards more of a religious character?

• 9:16Speaker 02

  That did, but the other factor was the 36 Mafia, because their record label was called Prophet Entertainment.

• 9:23Conan O'Brien?

  Tell me about 36 Mafia. You're going crazy here.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, hip hop, a famous hip hop group, rap group from the 90s and 2000s. Yeah.

• 9:30Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah. And so, and so you were a fan of their music and then you saw that their record label was the Prophet or the Prophecy?

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Prophet, it was Prophet Entertainment.

• 9:39Conan O'Brien?

  Nice.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  So I kind of ripped that off.

• 9:42Conan O'Brien?

  We don't rip it off. You say, I was influenced. I was inspired, you know? I'm trying to protect you from legal action.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Chris, you haven't wrestled in two years, right?

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just really hard on my body these days, just trying to take it easy.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. How do you stay busy?

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Uh, well, with the wrestling business, besides doing that, I also rent rings and get books for festivals and I'm also in the food world too, trying to start a food trailer.

• 10:11Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, tell us about that.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  So I love Mexican food and I worked in a restaurant for a few years and I just came up with, uh, an Aguas Frescas drink line.

• 10:22Conan O'Brien?

  Oh.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  So I want to start selling Aguas Frescas, but I want to call it Lucha Fresca, Fight Fresh.

• 10:28Conan O'Brien?

  Nice. I like, hey, wait, that's a good idea. I would drink Lucha Fresca. I could do an ad for you. Um, you know, I would do, I would, I would be a, uh, and I know that

• 10:40Speaker 03

  You'd be a great spokesperson.

• 10:41Conan O'Brien?

  You'll do an ad for anyone, uh, Kevin.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  I'll do it. I'll do anything for anybody. You know, the thing about drinks, what are they, is this water? Or is it?

• 10:49Speaker 02

  They're made out of water with the ingredient and then sugar.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Okay, those are always healthy. Uh, I think a lot of times, you know, when you're selling a product, it's really the packaging that sells it. You know, like if you see these Topo Chico bottles, they look so refreshing.

• 11:04Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  A little condensation on them and, uh, cold bottle. What's your packaging looks like, Chris?

• 11:10Conan O'Brien?

  That's not about the packaging at all.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  I'm talking to Chris.

• 11:13Conan O'Brien?

  That's just a cold bottle. Any cold bottle has condensation on it.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Chris, I'm sorry.

• 11:17Conan O'Brien?

  How do you give the company credit for it being cold?

• 11:19Speaker 03

  You're our guest.

• 11:20Conan O'Brien?

  That doesn't make any sense at all. You know, I love the, the new Ford Fiesta. Oh, what do you like about it? It's got some dew on it.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Chris, if you want to call me later.

• 11:28Conan O'Brien?

  It's been outside and we're in Portland. Yeah, that's what I like about it. It's just nice when it has that dew, that dewy look.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  Does it make you feel good to do that?

• 11:36Conan O'Brien?

  It did.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Does it make you feel good to bounce on people?

• 11:39Conan O'Brien?

  I crushed you.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  You can call me later. We'll talk about it.

• 11:42Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. Chris, I like this idea. I like this idea and what are you doing to make, uh?

• 11:48Speaker 03

  What kind of packaging are you putting on there?

• 11:50Speaker 02

  So I do have a clear bottles. They're very sleek and I do have a logo already. I might modify it, but I was just at a pop-up market this weekend and I sold uh, at least 15 bottles there. So that's my start.

• 12:04Conan O'Brien?

  Okay. And do they have each one, is it coming in different flavors?

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. My main flavors right now is Jamaica and Tamarindo.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  My favorite flavors, by the way.

• 12:13Conan O'Brien?

  Um, those are, I mean, this sounds promising. I think you might be on to something. Do you have any big money backers behind you?

• 12:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Have you taken it on Shark Tank?

• 12:22Conan O'Brien?

  Would you take it on Shark Tank?

• 12:24Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, it's been done before. The Alves Frescas does exist, but maybe the way the packaging and the marketing might sell more than the other brands.

• 12:33Conan O'Brien?

  I like the idea of Lucha Fresca. I think that's great.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  I like the name. Do you speak Spanish, Chris?

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Uh, I do. I've been practicing for like four years now on Duolingo, but I'm still not fluent.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  But that, that, uh, Lucha Fresca, man, that comes out nice.

• 12:47Conan O'Brien?

  What are you talking about? Comes out nice?

• 12:48Speaker 03

  The way he says it.

• 12:49Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, the way he says it.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  It also comes out nice.

• 12:53Conan O'Brien?

  So, so strange, man.

• 13:04Conan O'Brien?

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• 13:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 13:21Speaker 01

  Nice.

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• 15:07Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:09Speaker 04

  What?

• 15:09Conan O'Brien?

  I like to change it up. I like to learn things. So I'm going to try and make apple cider.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 15:13Conan O'Brien?

  Every morning.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:14Conan O'Brien?

  This fall, just to see if I can do it.

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  Yeah.

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• 15:21Speaker 04

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• 15:22Conan O'Brien?

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• 15:36Speaker 04

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• 15:36Conan O'Brien?

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  Oh.

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• 15:45Speaker 04

  You travel a lot.

• 15:46Conan O'Brien?

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  Yeah.

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• 15:59Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 16:01Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:06Speaker 04

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• 16:07Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:07Speaker 04

  What?

• 16:08Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:10Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 16:11Conan O'Brien?

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• 16:35Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 17:12Conan O'Brien?

  So you haven't wrestled, you think you're done wrestling, your wrestling day is over. It sounds to me like if you've done, if you haven't wrestled in two years, maybe that's it.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  No comeback?

• 17:19Speaker 02

  I'm not retired.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Pretty much in the wrestling business, even if you retire, you don't.

• 17:25Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Because you always get sucked back in, but, but I have wrestling ring, I still train and stuff like that, so.

• 17:31Conan O'Brien?

  Now.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  I'm trying to just teach the new people.

• 17:33Conan O'Brien?

  Chris, I hate to make this about me, but I, a number of years ago, did a show that I was very proud of in Mexico City and, um...

• 17:42Speaker 03

  Does it have a pony in it?

• 17:45Conan O'Brien?

  What?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Was there a pony in it?

• 17:46Conan O'Brien?

  Why would there be a pony in it?

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Because it was a show in Mexico.

• 17:50Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah? What's the connection?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  You don't travel much there.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  You're bringing up Tijuana again, huh?

• 17:58Conan O'Brien?

  Just call an ambulance.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  I'm in a donkey, I'm in a donkey.

• 18:01Conan O'Brien?

  Call an ambulance.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Chris is dying, man, Chris is loving this.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  You said pony instead of donkey.

• 18:08Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, I really don't get out much, I don't get out much. Kevin, I don't get out much, so I didn't know that ponies and Mexico City are synonymous.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  He meant donkey.

• 18:19Conan O'Brien?

  He meant donkey.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  He got it, Chris got it.

• 18:22Conan O'Brien?

  Hey, Mexico City, did you have a stapler when you went? Stapler? Why would I have a stapler?

• 18:26Speaker 03

  He's doing his bit.

• 18:26Conan O'Brien?

  How do you know, Mexico City?

• 18:27Speaker 03

  He's doing his bit. He's doing the bit.

• 18:29Conan O'Brien?

  Oh yeah, oh, you're doing that comedy thing, look at Conan doing his comedy thing.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Doing a bit off of a bit now.

• 18:35Conan O'Brien?

  Bit off a bit is just as legitimate as any bit. Hey, Christopher, I did this, uh, bunch of shows in Mexico City, very proud of that, those shows. One of the things I wanted to ask you was, did you see my luchador segment? I actually went into a ring in Mexico City and I had my own luchador character that I dressed up as. Anyone can see this as they go on, uh, what's it called?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  YouTube.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  I can pull it up now.

• 18:59Conan O'Brien?

  There it is, the crazy rooster, I was the crazy rooster. There I am.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  A guy who local.

• 19:03Conan O'Brien?

  I wrestled, what did you, have you, A, have you, are you familiar with that segment? And B, how do you think I did?

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen it multiple times, I love all your travel shows and that episode means a lot to me.

• 19:15Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  Have you seen any of my stuff, Chris?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  In Mexico? No.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  It's all about Conan.

• 19:25Conan O'Brien?

  We'll get through this, Chris. Just hang in there. Well, what did you think of my wrestling moves? Be honest.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, you're, I will say you are athletic and I know you have all this energy, so you pulled it off very well. And one of the guys in the ring with you is a former champion of mine.

• 19:41Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, wow. Okay. So you actually, do you know where I was in Mexico City? Do you know the, the gym I was in?

• 19:46Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 19:47Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, it was just a gym.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:50Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I think if I had to really wrestle, I'd be killed almost instantly.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  You'd be broken in half.

• 19:56Conan O'Brien?

  Everyone was going very easy on me because they knew, oh, here's the comedian. We gotta go easy on him. I have a lot of respect for, for what you do and I think I'd have died within seconds of me entering. I think before I entered the ring, I would have died.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:12Conan O'Brien?

  You know?

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I went to one of these wrestling matches a couple of years ago in New Jersey, whatever that big stadium is. And it was packed. It was like a Super Bowl.

• 20:21Conan O'Brien?

  It's huge.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  And the ring in the bottom, John Cena come, came out, Cena? People going crazy.

• 20:26Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  I never knew it was that, that big.

• 20:30Conan O'Brien?

  I did know it was that big. It's been big for a long, I'm sorry. And I

• 20:34Speaker 03

  No, because I like to read.

• 20:37Conan O'Brien?

  Sure. Okay. Well, I also enjoy a book every now and then, but I've known for a while that wrestling is massive. So I'm glad that you've caught up to what's happening.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  You know, everything's massive. I just didn't know it.

• 20:51Conan O'Brien?

  Uh huh.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Because I live in my small world of knowledge.

• 20:57Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, Chris.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Chris, I'm sorry. We're back to you.

• 20:59Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, back to you.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Enough about Conan.

• 21:03Conan O'Brien?

  And his career. But I'm impressed that you keep coming up with new ideas. You're trying new stuff. I mean, that's, that's the game. We've all gotta keep going. We gotta keep trying things. And so I root for you. I do root for you. And this lucha fresca drink. I think it sounds great.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Thank you. I appreciate it.

• 21:22Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Everything I do to this day is basically out of necessity to get me to the next spot in life where I'm trying to go. So I've learned how to weld just to build rings and, you know, learn how to cook to sell it, to make money and stuff like that.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Who do you like? Who's your favorite wrestler?

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Probably Mick Foley and Rey Mysterio Jr.

• 21:42Conan O'Brien?

  What did you like about them particularly?

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Well Mick Foley is the hardcore legend. He just gives up his whole body to the business and just does everything he has to to make an impact.

• 21:53Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Mysterio is the biggest influence for me because I started becoming a luchador.

• 21:59Conan O'Brien?

  Right.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Inspired by what he could do and that made me think, well, can I do it? So 27 years later, the answer is yes.

• 22:06Conan O'Brien?

  Isn't that, it's funny, you're talking about wrestling, it's really the same with comedy. We we grow up seeing people and you identify people that you wanna emulate. You wanna emulate them. You had that, right Kevin?

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, everybody does.

• 22:22Conan O'Brien?

  Who did you have grown up?

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Mine were three, uh, three people. Uh, one was Chris, actually.

• 22:29Conan O'Brien?

  Besides Chris, yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Chris, uh, no, it was, uh, Andy Kaufman.

• 22:32Conan O'Brien?

  Yep.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Uh, Albert Brooks and, uh, Steve Martin.

• 22:34Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  And you? You never really did stand up though.

• 22:37Conan O'Brien?

  No, I never did stand up.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  But you did it at monologues on your shows.

• 22:40Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, uh, that's good. I'll put down before, um, he's amazing.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Did you feel comfortable doing those monologues?

• 22:47Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I did.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  Really?

• 22:49Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Just called talent. Um, I, uh,

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Chris is watching this like watching his parents fight.

• 22:56Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I'm sorry about this, Chris. Um, yeah, I had the same thing. It was, uh, Steve Martin and I mean, I'll also Albert Brooks. I mean, watching his films, watching the stuff that he would do on The Tonight Show, uh, that really inspired me. This, uh, conceptual comedy is that that blew me away. And of course, uh, Python, when Python finally showed up on my television, that blew my mind. SCTV, um.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Well, I was basically just asking about comics, but okay.

• 23:28Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, well, let's keep it to that now.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  I don't really want a history of comedy.

• 23:30Conan O'Brien?

  I forgot how narrow you were. I'm sorry.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  I don't really want a history of comedy.

• 23:33Conan O'Brien?

  No, no.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  I like, you know, Amati Python and I like, you know, I like, uh,

• 23:38Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, bit off a bit, huh?

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Jackie Benny Show. Oh yeah, I do like a lot of that.

• 23:42Conan O'Brien?

  Bit off a bit.

• 23:46Conan O'Brien?

  We criticize what we are.

• 23:49Conan O'Brien?

  Okay, well, listen. Christopher, it's very unusual. I've never had Kevin here when I talk to a fan, and we've tried this once. We won't do it again.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Not with Conan, anyway.

• 24:03Conan O'Brien?

  It's just gonna be Kevin from now on. But I understand you might have a question. Is that right?

• 24:08Speaker 02

  If you were a tag team, you and Kevin, what would be your characters or your names?

• 24:12Conan O'Brien?

  That's interesting. So we're a team.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  The amoebas.

• 24:17Conan O'Brien?

  The amoebas?

• 24:18Speaker 03

  Because we're kind of, right?

• 24:20Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, we're very similar. And then we could be amoebas where we have to, we enter the ring together, sort of enmeshed together, and then we split apart, one fights, and then that has to...

• 24:33Speaker 03

  I got a better idea.

• 24:34Conan O'Brien?

  Wait, are you saying I shouldn't have run with this idea?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  This is lame.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  I got a better idea.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Let's be amoebas.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  The Siamese twins.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  We fight in one costume.

• 24:44Conan O'Brien?

  Wait.

• 24:46Conan O'Brien?

  So...

• 24:46Speaker 03

  We're both in one costume.

• 24:47Conan O'Brien?

  We're joined. And so the other one just doesn't do any... Well, one of, only one can fight at a time, and the other's just, is just sitting there?

• 24:54Speaker 03

  No, they both fight the same time. We both fight.

• 24:56Conan O'Brien?

  It's much better if we're attached, but when I'm fighting, Chris, you're just doing nothing but looking around.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  As always.

• 25:05Conan O'Brien?

  And you're very, and yeah, and, and kind of, yeah, you're just inert. And then when I tag you, you switch, and I, I swing to the rear.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 25:13Conan O'Brien?

  And now I'm behind you, and I'm looking at the crowd, and I'm a nerd.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  What move is that called, Chris? What we call that move? The little reach around?

• 25:21Conan O'Brien?

  It's called, yeah, it's called the reach around. Yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Why? That sounds like a good idea.

• 25:27Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah. Hey, look, they're doing the reach around. Conan and Kevin are doing the reach around.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  You guys would just be, you guys would die instantly. I think you're right.

• 25:37Speaker 03

  They would die.

• 25:37Speaker 01

  The moment that you walk into the ring, you would, everybody would hate you.

• 25:41Conan O'Brien?

  They would hate us.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Because you guys would be doing so many bits.

• 25:43Conan O'Brien?

  We'd be doing bits in the ring. We'd be arguing and doing bits. And then whichever one wasn't wrestling, the other's just hanging off his back.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  On the phone.

• 25:53Conan O'Brien?

  On the phone and doing bits. Yeah. On the phone buying stuff.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  The most hated duo in all of wrestling.

• 26:02Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Everyone hates you guys so much.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Hey, Boo says we're coming out on the walkway.

• 26:11Conan O'Brien?

  You gotta admit, we would be hated. We would be good heels.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  But that's good to be hated in the ring, right? If you get a lot of hate coming at you, that's a good-

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're doing your job. You're doing your job properly.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  That's like Conan here.

• 26:23Conan O'Brien?

  Okay.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  He's doing a good job, by the way.

• 26:27Conan O'Brien?

  No, you're not cool. Just not cool.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Chris, what are you doing tonight?

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Uh, I'm going to record drums with my band.

• 26:36Conan O'Brien?

  Oh, tell us about your band.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  I'm in a punk rock band here in Tucson called Planet Strict Nine, PS9.

• 26:44Conan O'Brien?

  That is great. And so, uh, you play drums?

• 26:47Speaker 02

  I'm the drummer, and we're gonna put out a record pretty soon. I just recorded like 20 tracks.

• 26:52Conan O'Brien?

  Is it kind of like thrash metal? What are we talking? How hardcore is this?

• 26:55Speaker 02

  Uh, it's kind of like Bad Religion and those type of punk bands, Bouncing Souls.

• 27:01Conan O'Brien?

  Yep. You gotta, where do you perform?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Uh, the Rialto Theater sometimes, 191 Tool here, and we usually go to Bisbee, Arizona. That's where the band originally was from.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Chris, is it a music we could dance to?

• 27:14Speaker 02

  You could get down to that, but you might get hit in the face.

• 27:18Conan O'Brien?

  I'm about to hit him in the face. He's gonna get hit in the face. It won't have anything to do with your music.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  No, I like to go to the Rialto and dance.

• 27:25Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, I'm sure you do.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Oh my god, if you guys were a tag team, you would fight each other more than you would fight the other people.

• 27:31Conan O'Brien?

  Yeah, the wrestler, the wrestler, the wrestler would just be like, wait, what's going on? And you and I would just be wailing on each other.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  In one costume.

• 27:39Conan O'Brien?

  In one costume, wailing on each other for the old reach around. We each reach around. Uh, all right, Chris, uh, I'm gonna let you go, Christopher. Christopher Hack, you are, uh, you're a gentleman, uh, and you seem like a very cool guy, and thank you very much for listening to our nonsense. Yeah, you're a good man.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  I apologize for Conan.

• 27:59Conan O'Brien?

  And I apologize for Kevin, but I don't apologize for you, because you seem like a cool guy.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  Good luck with the band and the drink.

• 28:05Conan O'Brien?

  Let the man speak!

• 28:06Speaker 02

  It was a pleasure.

• 28:06Conan O'Brien?

  Yes, Chris?

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Uh, I just wanna shout out my company. It's called Rockstar Wrestling Alliance, because I do music and wrestling and put it together.

• 28:14Conan O'Brien?

  Cool. Well, I always leave room, always leave room for the plug. Carson taught me that. Carson Daly.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Hey, Chris, paintings, kevinnealanart.com.

• 28:23Conan O'Brien?

  Unbelievable. Yeah, if you ever have trouble, just dial 911. All right, man. Take care. Bye-bye.

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