Ep. 726: East Coast Fishing and Killing Oaks | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Janis Putelis, Spencer Neuharth, and Austin "Chilly" Chleborad discuss the outdoor win in Pennsylvania and Jani's upcoming 100 mile run, chat with Tony Jackson about the bite in NC, play another round of Fake News, and talk with Jacob Hernandez and Bo Hendrickson of the US Fish and Wildlife Service’s Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program about the oak work they're doing on Jani's Wisconsin property. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Steven Rinella?

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• 1:30Steven Rinella?

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• 2:12Steven Rinella?

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• 2:26Speaker 03

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live, coming to you live from Meat Eater's world headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. It's 11 a.m. mountain time on July 3rd. That's 8 p.m. for Steven Rinella, who's currently in Tanzania. I'm your host, Yanis Patellas, and I'm here today with Spencer Newharth, aka Booth, and Austin Kleberad, aka Chili. On today's show, we've got big news out of Pennsylvania. I'll bring you up to speed on my training for the Crazy Mountain 100. We're getting a fishing report from Tony Jackson on the crystal coast of North Carolina. Tony's also playing one-minute fishing. In the studio, we'll be playing Fake

• 3:29Speaker 04

  News, brought to you by Spencer Newharth. And lastly, we'll talk to Jacob Hernandez and Bo Hendrickson from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program, who are on-site at my soon-to-be Oak Savannah in central Wisconsin. So, let's get right to it. Spencer, how did you get the nickname Booth?

• 3:51Speaker 05

  You've been fascinated by this ever since you heard that was my high school nickname.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Well, I asked everybody their nicknames from high school when we were for intros for doing roasts, but then they never really became part of the show. And, uh, yeah, I think that, uh, you, I think you actually told me this story, but I feel like we should tell the world.

• 4:07Speaker 05

  It was, it was just born out of teener baseball. Um, it was like every single player had to have a nickname, and I happen to resemble a pitcher for the Minnesota Twins named Booth Bonzer. Uh, we both had shaggy haircuts, threw an average curveball.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  You were a pitcher?

• 4:26Speaker 05

  Uh, I mean.

• 4:27Speaker 04

  You played every?

• 4:28Speaker 05

  Everyone is a pitcher in teener baseball in a town of 600 people. So, yeah. Anyway, just everyone got a nickname. I was, I was Booth, named after Booth Bonzer. And I don't think that was his real nickname either. He came over in one of the Minnesota Twins best trades in franchise history. Yeah, they got Francisco Liriano, Booth Bonzer, and Joe Nathan. Totally like changed the trajectory of their franchise for a few years. My favorite era of Minnesota Twins baseball. So that, that nickname Booth, if I go back home to where I'm from, that's, that's what I'll get called.

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, so it has kind of stuck?

• 5:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sticks. Like my, my old coaches and teachers will call me that. My high school buddies. But I don't, I don't hear it in Montana, ever. Besides Yanni.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  Chili, maybe we should bring that around.

• 5:18Speaker 06

  We should. We should. Definitely. Call him Booth. I'd do it.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yep. Okay. We all know how Chili got his nickname.

• 5:25Speaker 05

  He's so cold.

• 5:27Speaker 04

  What's that?

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Because he's so cold.

• 5:29Speaker 06

  So cold. They used to call me something different back in the, back in high school.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  Oh, what's that?

• 5:34Speaker 06

  They used to just call me Club.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 5:37Speaker 06

  And like so.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  I kind of like that.

• 5:38Speaker 06

  Yeah. Called me Club. And then so when I go home, like Spencer was saying, it's just like all like the coaches and it's like Clubby, Club. Nobody calls me Chili from back home.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Club. I like it. All right.

• 5:51Speaker 05

  Chili's better.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Onwards. Um, oh, Phil, you're up now. He's gonna, he's gonna do a quick plug for the kid's show, which is back in action.

• 6:01Speaker 07

  Kid's show is back in action. We have a kid's show. It's called the Meat Eater Kids Podcast. It's fitting. Uh, season three just started. There is one episode out so far. Uh, it's, and but the most important thing is that it's on its own feed. Not dropping any episodes on the Meat Eater podcast feeds. You just have to do the incredibly hard work of typing in Meat Eater Kids into whatever app you use and then follow or subscribe. And, uh, yeah, we've got Clay doing the first segment instead of Steve. The why it's the way it is segment Maggie Hedlow is doing guest that critter and Spencer still in the host chair for trivia. As is appropriate. So check it out. Uh, another thing, oh yeah, we're doing five episodes. They drop on Mondays. That's important.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  This, this isn't a dig at anything else we do. I think it's the best thing we make on the, the podcast front.

• 6:51Speaker 07

  It's, I mean, it definitely, yeah, it stands on its own. It's, it's, I mean, it's fun for me to work on. Uh, I like it a lot as well.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  Similar, similar to radio, Phil gets to really flick, flex his, uh, engineering audio muscles. Um, cause there's all sorts of fun sounds in there.

• 7:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. Uh, I just, I there, I felt something on my neck and I just went to go smack it. And then you see that?

• 7:12Speaker 05

  A mosquito?

• 7:13Speaker 04

  You got a skeeter.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  That's the second one in here today.

• 7:15Speaker 07

  It's filled with blood. Oh, probably not. I don't think that's all mine. Could be though.

• 7:20Speaker 04

  Oh, we're sharing diseases probably now in this room.

• 7:24Speaker 05

  Two mosquitoes in the podcast studio.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, well, there's a very short time period, I feel like in and around Bozeman with the skeeter season, like one to two weeks. And I noticed it last night on, on, I was shooting some arrows right at dusk at my house and I was getting annoyed. I was thinking, eh, this will last another few days. It'll be over. You feel that way too?

• 7:43Speaker 05

  I feel like I don't encounter it in the valley as much as if I like get near water in the mountains. Um, then it's like the worst mosquitoes of my life.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Oh yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  But again, I don't think it's, it doesn't last forever. Cause as soon as it sort of starts to get dry, they tend to just, I don't know, beat her out.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  And I've got one other thing to mention before, before we move on, uh, some housekeeping. We're going through some internet woes here at Bozeman HQ. Um, internet's been dropping out actually around this time, almost every single day. If the internet does drop out, I mean, you lose the feed. We will be back in about two to three minutes. So don't go anywhere. Uh, we're, we're, we're talking to, to tech people trying, trying to fix it. Um, but if that does happen, the show's not over. We'll just disappear for about two minutes and then pop back up.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Phil, you know, technology, why 11 AM? Like what, what's going on there? It's 11 AM when the internet stops.

• 8:31Speaker 07

  Technology, I've got no clue Spencer, I have no idea. No.

• 8:34Speaker 04

  It should be fixed though, Phil.

• 8:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, Chili Chili made some calls and uh and so hopefully hopefully everything's working well. We're just we're kind of just troubleshooting and seeing if it works, but.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  So far, so good. Let's keep it going and get everything knocked out in case it does drop out. At least we'll get most of the show done. All right. Huge win in Pennsylvania. A statement released by the Pennsylvania chapter of backcountry hunters and anglers reads. For over a century, Pennsylvania hunters have been shut out of the woods for half the weekend. With the passage of House Bill 1431, that can finally change, putting decisions about hunting seasons in the hands of wildlife managers. Not outdated blue laws. Since 2017, Pennsylvania backcountry hunters and anglers has led the charge for the long overdue reform.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  It's a major win for access, especially for working families and public land hunters. Yeah, if you were living under a rock, you could not hunt on Sundays in Pennsylvania. Um, I don't know exactly how many years that law has been around, but a long time, many generations of Pennsylvania hunters.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  So insane that uh it's it's just incredibly antiquated that in 2025 that would still exist. And I felt like they've been creeping towards this like. They allowed it. I I don't know their history totally, but it was like one Sunday all of a sudden and then it was like on private land or something. Um, now it seems on July 1st, a few days ago, it reached Governor Josh Shapiro's desk. And if he signs it, then uh. Seems like Sunday hunting is is fully in action in Pennsylvania.

• 10:07Speaker 07

  Really the only pushback on it, and I only know this because I just got done editing Cal's podcast that's dropping on Monday, uh, is just people. Other recreation old people like people who don't hunt, but are outdoors and like like hikers being like, oh, I'm going to feel unsafe in the woods on Sundays. Like Sunday has been my safe day to go hiking. Uh, and that's that's kind of the only knock that.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Well, they will realize that Sunday will still be a safe day to go hiking.

• 10:31Speaker 07

  I think they will. Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  Chilly, you got anything to say about that? Have you ever experienced, have you ever hunted in Pennsylvania?

• 10:37Speaker 06

  I have not, no. Um, I mean, the only experience I have with Pennsylvania is when we did the Meat Eater, uh, live tour.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:44Speaker 06

  And we just went over to Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, but like, nah, never got to explore outside. I want to. Seth keeps talking about whitetail hunting over there. Sounds pretty appealing.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, now that we can hunt on Sundays, I'm definitely more interested.

• 10:55Speaker 06

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 10:56Speaker 05

  Uh, we got a Slack message saying the internet is down. Are you noticing that, Phil?

• 11:00Speaker 07

  Uh-oh. Uh, no. I'm not. As far as I can tell, we're still live.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 11:04Speaker 07

  And I think the, the viewers will let us know in the chat.

• 11:07Speaker 06

  I think Cory's just trying to stir the pot.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  Mmm.

• 11:09Speaker 06

  Cause you're not here.

• 11:10Speaker 05

  Tried to scare us.

• 11:13Speaker 04

  All right, uh, Crazy Mountain 100, exactly three day, three weeks, one day from today. I'm gonna start on my little endeavor of trying to run 100 miles in a row. I got 40 miles, uh, with a bunch of elevation this weekend. And then I'm tapering all the way to the finish. That's how I'm looking at it. You guys know what taper means? To taper when you're like, like getting ready.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  I assume it's like fly line where it tapers and it gets skinnier at the end.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right. To me, it's actually the hardest part of this whole business. I've done, this is like, I don't know, three or four of these longer distances. And after this weekend, I'm gonna basically be, after a couple of days of rest, I'll be at the peak sort of, you know, performance, peak feeling that I'll be the whole time.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  And your brain's ready to run, your legs are ready to run, and then you're like, oh, I have to just chill for two weeks, basically, and wait. Cause you know, the, the hope is that you're gonna rest some more and just really come into it full, uh, you know, full, full speed ahead, but.

• 12:20Speaker 07

  Brad is asking if this is your first ultra, Yanis. Is, is a 50 considered an ultra or is it a 100?

• 12:25Speaker 04

  I think I've Googled it once and, um, I was told we don't Google anymore. Now you gotta, what's the new thing that you gotta do instead of Googling?

• 12:33Speaker 05

  Chat GPT?

• 12:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, Chat GPT, but anything over 26.2. So anything over a marathon, I think is considered ultra. So this will be my third. I've done two 50s, sorry, fourth. I've done a 30 one miler, two 50s, and a, uh, this will be my first 100.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  How often do you check in with your coach?

• 12:55Speaker 04

  Oh, once every two weeks, probably. But she, you know, she has my schedule, training schedule, you know, written out. Usually one to two weeks out.

• 13:06Speaker 05

  Do you pay her?

• 13:07Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:07Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  I pay her and get a gym membership at the same time at the Mountain Project.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  Okay. How many other people is she coaching for a run like this?

• 13:17Speaker 04

  You know, I don't know if she has, I know, I know for sure she has one on, one other guy that's doing a hundred. Um, but I don't know how many total, so they call them online clients because they have like in-house clients too. But, uh, I'm what they call an online client. So I don't get that much really one-on-one time with it. Like, we've never been on a run together. We've been trying to kind of plan one, but we've never done it.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  All right. So I'm feeling good. I'll let you guys know how it goes. Uh, my goal is to finish.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  Look good. You look strong today, Yanni.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Look, yeah. Well, I'd like to feel, I like to be that way at the end of this race.

• 13:52Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  All right. A couple Meat Eater Store highlights. If you're into the gnome t-shirt thing that we got going, uh, we're, we've just released a gnome angling a megalodon t-shirt, but it's almost sold out. So if you're looking to get one, get after it. The next gnome t-shirt will launch at the end of, end of July. So keep your eyes open for that. Uh, the Meat Eater Store is having a summer sale, July 8th to 11th. And the theme is summer cooking. Um, some of the items that are going to be on sale, uh, select cookbooks, 25% off. This is the deal of the century right here. Benchmade Meat Crafter 2.0, 40% off. It's almost half off, Spencer.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  And fire breather hot sauces are half off, which I really, I really like. That's one of the cooking, like seasoning, cooking things that we sell.

• 14:42Speaker 07

  I'm a huge fan of it as well.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Right? It's like got a really nice flavor.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  Ooh, it feels kind of a hot sauce snob.

• 14:48Speaker 07

  I, I wouldn't say snob. I am repping a, I am repping a hook and arrow hot sauce shirt today. Shout out to those guys because the last time I complained about having to pay for the fire breather sauce, the hook and arrow guys who are fans of the show heard me and sent me a bunch of hot sauce. So thank you to, and they've got a hot sauce on hot ones this season. Very exciting. Congrats to them.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  Oh, good. I never thought about how that could be really, uh, influential for a hot sauce company.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  I like that show.

• 15:12Speaker 06

  One of our hot sauce.

• 15:13Speaker 05

  You like that?

• 15:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 05

  When I see clips from that, I wonder, I say, who, I says to myself, I say, who watches this?

• 15:19Speaker 07

  Have you ever watched an entire episode?

• 15:21Speaker 05

  I know, I know. That's what blows my mind, Phil, is it's like the most popular online series right now.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Do you see the caliber of people they have on there?

• 15:27Speaker 05

  Yes, I see all the clips from it.

• 15:28Speaker 07

  Have you not sapped through like a whole episode though? It's made really, really well. And Sean asked like some really interesting questions.

• 15:34Speaker 05

  Okay. I, I trust you, Phil. Now I'm gonna check it out.

• 15:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  I see, I see the clips online.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I think the key is, is to watch it all the way through, cause you get to see the progression and just how the two things, the interview and then like the effect of hot sauce intermingle. And it's just like a weird, wacky idea and they execute it so well.

• 15:54Speaker 05

  I've seen Sean on other shows where he gets interviewed. Um, and he had talked about famously DJ Khalid. Did he have an episode?

• 16:02Speaker 07

  He, one of the first episodes, he chickened out after two or three hot sauces. I don't, I don't remember if he walked off the set, but basically was just like, no, I'm done.

• 16:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think, I think he had said he ate like a, a big ass lunch before that. And then rolled in, they, they like warned him, they're like, do not do that. And then he did it anyway and just, uh, did not participate hardly. That, that specific episode I would be interested in.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, if you find it, uh, include, uh, share it with me, please. All right, finally.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  End of our little chit chat here up top. Some of you might be wondering, where's Randall? How is Randall?

• 16:40Speaker 05

  I was wondering.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  What's he up to? Were you thinking that?

• 16:42Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Well, let me tell you folks, he's on vacation in Germany. And today, we have our first installment of Randall Does Europe.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Let's see the clip, Phil.

• 16:59Speaker 06

  Hello, friends. This is your old pal, Dr. Randall, reporting live on tape delay from Europe. Got a, uh, Borscht Night here. It's a lovely, uh, Austrian treat. And, uh, just wanted to give you a quick update on how my vacation's going. So follow along, and I think you'll enjoy this.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  Off we descend.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Incredible. What a treasure that man is.

• 18:46Speaker 05

  Not much audio in that. Folks who are only listening, that was two minutes of Randall just eating hot dogs and sausages in Europe.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yes, Cody says that Randall Randall is the most successful homeless person in history.

• 19:00Speaker 05

  Hmm. I noticed some of those clips, he was wearing the same outfit. So he was he was going double meal of sausage in some of those days.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think he's gonna have to have like a five to seven day recovery period when he comes back. But you gotta remember, he's traveling Europe, so he's probably wearing the same outfit several days in a row.

• 19:20Speaker 05

  Well, then he styled his hair the same. He he did everything the same on those.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  True. It was funny because we were slacking with Randall and I think Chilly, you asked him like if he had hiked those hot dogs up to the top of that mountain?

• 19:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, like, I he texted us that video, one of the little montage he had there. And I was like, did you hike that thing up there? Because I could definitely see you packing a hot dog, hiking to the top of a mountain and then sitting down and eating it. But now there's like a little, little stand up there.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and his answer was, no, Europe is the best place ever. They just have cabins on top of mountains that serve beer and sausages.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, which is, makes me wanna go now.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  No, hey, wherever he is, I 100% wanna go and experience that. That looks delicious.

• 20:07Speaker 05

  Does Latvia have a real sausage culture?

• 20:11Speaker 04

  No, no, they make some sausages for sure.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  There's like dumpling adjacent things, pierogies?

• 20:18Speaker 04

  A little bit, man. It's, uh, it's bland food.

• 20:23Speaker 05

  Oh, that's not nice.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  It's very, yeah, like sauerkraut, giant honks of pork cooked slow. It's not too exciting, but I think also, like, the same way it was for hunting over there in the hunting traditions, right? Like having, being, um, you know, not Latvia and being occupied for so many years. Like, they kinda just beat that stuff out of you, right? So you're not allowed to celebrate being a Latvian. You can't sing your own songs, you can't eat your own food, you can't, you know, pray in church in your own language. Right? All that stuff is beaten out of you. And so now they've been free since 91.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  It's sort of probably, like, hopefully that stuff will come back around and somebody will find old versions of, you know, Latvian food. And it'll become a thing again, but it takes time, man. Like, that place is, um, they sort of lose your identity when you're occupied for so long, you know?

• 21:22Speaker 05

  It's on you. You gotta, you gotta help do that.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  Totally, totally. Luckily, I have peers that are over there and doing that.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Okay, um, our next segment is one minute fishing, Phil.

• 21:40Speaker 05

  Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Tony Jackson from Finchasers USA in North Carolina. And he's fishing for a donation to the Coastal Conservation Association. Tony, welcome to the show.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Hey, what's going on guys? Thanks for having me.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  Tony Yanni is here. Um, it's been, has it been two years or three years since we fished together?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  I would say it's been at least two. Uh, it could be three.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I had the pleasure of fishing with Tony and, uh, my father-in-law's neighbor, uh, Steve Pfeifer. Shout out to Steve, who's, uh, according to Steve, he's still out there hammering away. Have you seen him lately?

• 22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's still catching fish.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, at the ripe old age of 80, multiple back surgeries and he's still, he, he's not letting down, man. He likes to set the hook.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  I feel bad for the local panfish population.

• 22:43Speaker 05

  Tell me about your day of fishing with Tony Yanni.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  Uh, we were, uh, I think pretty much solely targeting redfish and, uh, we were using, uh, cut bait under, uh, were we fishing, uh, popping corks, Tony, I believe?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Cut bait under popping corks.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  Yep. And, uh, yeah, it was like often it is with redfish. If you're off the mark by 10 feet with your cast, there's like no bite. But if you put it in the spot, man, it was, uh, fish almost every single cast. So we, I don't know how many we caught that day, but it was quite a few. Um, how's the fishing been lately out there?

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Redfish bites just now starting to pick up. It started off a little slow for us this year. Um, typically by May, we're wide open and, and this year it kinda, they trickled in, but the shrimp, the shrimp are pretty thick in the river and it's full of shad and mullet, so.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you think?

• 23:39Speaker 04

  What do you think caused that slow start?

• 23:41Speaker 03

  I'm not real sure. I know we had a, we had a pretty cold winter. We had a big freeze. I don't know if that put a dent into it or if it's just one of those years where that happens. Um, I, I think it's possibly. Freeze because we did have other areas like out in the Noose River, the bite was a little bit better. So they they were a little less impacted, but but here in shore, it was kind of slow, but.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  So if someone's out there gonna try to go get into some red fish themselves or anything else, I guess for that matter in that area, what what would you recommend they fish with?

• 24:11Speaker 03

  Well, if they wanted to fish with with artificial baits, it's hard to hard to pass up a top water. I'd I'd rather catch one fish on top water than than 10 on a soft plastic or live bait personally. I'm a big fan of the mirror lure top water baits and you could kind of get away with with just two. You have the the top pup and then you have the sheep pup, the top pup being a quiet version and then the sheep pup being very loud.

• 24:39Speaker 05

  Tony, is there is there any conventional wisdom about what red fish do like before, during, after a hurricane? Does the fishing improve or does it get worse? What what happens?

• 24:50Speaker 03

  The fishing definitely improves before and leading right up right up to it and even during it if it's not that significant of a storm. I think following barometric pressure, just like any other animal movements, it turns them on and sets them on the feed. Now the post storm, once it goes by, you have the rise in pressure, it can shut them down. But then after it's gone by, been passed for a couple of days, I've had some really good experiences.

• 25:20Speaker 05

  So what are we fishing for today then?

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Well, this morning our trip was for red fish, but uh for my my one minute, I'm gonna try to catch any fish.

• 25:31Speaker 05

  Okay, and using what to do it?

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Uh, some Cutman Hayden.

• 25:36Speaker 05

  All right. So what what are our possibilities then when you say catch any fish?

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Uh, pinfish, spot, croaker, possibly a red fish. Those would be the the most likely.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Have you pre-fished this spot? Are you feeling pretty confident?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  I feel pretty good about it. I haven't pre-fished it. We did fish it this morning and there were a lot of pinfish and croakers here. Picked up one red fish.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  out of it, but.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Okay, Tony, while your one minute of fishing starts when you make that first cast.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  All right.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  He's decked out for the 4th of July. Got a red wine and blue hat on.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  Does this look familiar to you, Yanni? Is this where you went fishing?

• 26:25Speaker 04

  Man, uh, I'm sure it's not too far.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Oh, he's got a cast in.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Timer started.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  There's no retrieve happening.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  Oh, he set the hook?

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Oh, he got it. He's on.

• 26:41Speaker 05

  He's got one. We are 10 seconds in. He has set the hook on a fish.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  Oh, we got a little video hitch. Oh, he's actually having to fight it a little.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  He's taking drag. Maybe that's just for the drama.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Does he have to land it in it within a minute?

• 26:55Speaker 05

  No, no, no. Just as long as you hook up. He can fight this thing for the next 10 minutes. We'll just sit here and watch him.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  All right.

• 27:01Speaker 05

  I don't see a net appearing. He's gonna swing it into the boat.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Come on. Oh, what did he get?

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Oh, what is that?

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Of course. It is a kill fish.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  What, those are oysters? Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  Oh, no. We thought he had a fish and it was, uh, just a stack of clams.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  He's got about 10 seconds left here. Come on, Tony, 10 seconds. Let's go.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  You just gotta hook him.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  All right, Tony, tell us, tell us what happened there. We, we couldn't see it very well. What, what did you reel in?

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Well, I reeled in an oyster. I, I cast out and got the pinfish were all over it as soon as it hit the water and we're, we're pecking away at it and I set the hook and it, it jerked back, but it ended up not being a

• 27:49Speaker 05

  Damn. At what point did you know those were oysters on there? When you saw them?

• 27:54Speaker 04

  No, whenever I felt the rod. It, uh, it, there was just a heavy slope.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Pull back.

• 28:00Speaker 05

  Damn unsuccessful.

• 28:02Speaker 07

  For a while.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  One minute fishing again. He, there was even some drag being taken. We thought he had a big fish.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  It was good, right? Yeah, those oysters will get in the, get in the current with the tide and they'll pull back and.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  All right. Well, Tony, tell us if, if someone wants to get out on a charter with you, if they're in that Beaufort, North Carolina area, how do they find you?

• 28:26Speaker 03

  They can find me on Facebook at finch chasers USA, Instagram at finch chasers USA. And I have a website, it's www.finchchasersusa.com and they can reach out to me on my phone. It's a two, five, two, eight, seven, six, two, eight, one, five.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  All right. You got any openings, uh, come, coming up in the next couple of weeks? I'm guessing you're pretty booked.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  I am pretty booked the next couple of weeks, but there's some openings sprinkled in.

• 28:52Speaker 04

  All right. Cool. Well, thanks for participating. Thanks for the fishing report, Tony.

• 28:56Speaker 05

  Thanks, Tony.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Hey, thanks for having me.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  I saw some folks in the chat asking if anyone has ever been successful. Uh, the answer is yes. Yanni was successful.

• 29:05Speaker 07

  That's right. He was also chubbing pretty hard.

• 29:07Speaker 05

  Oh, that's okay. We'll take it. It was for the good of conservation. Pat Durkin was successful in Idaho. We had Chester was successful ice fishing in, uh, Wisconsin. So it has happened.

• 29:18Speaker 07

  We got a lot of people in the chat saying that that should count. Says there's, there's nothing in the rule book that says it needs to be pelagics. Shellfish has fish in the name.

• 29:28Speaker 05

  I don't know. Meeter hasn't made a donation for this in a while, so we can probably make that happen.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 06

  My vote's for Tony.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  You vote for Tony?

• 29:36Speaker 05

  You're the host, Yanni. You make the call. Uh, yeah, let's do it. Uh, five hundred dollars.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  But does anybody remember what, what he told me now? It was.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  It was, uh.

• 29:45Speaker 05

  The Coastal Conservation Association.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  No, no, something for fishing with kids.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  It was catching for kids.

• 29:50Speaker 06

  Catching for kids. Yeah.

• 29:51Speaker 05

  Catching for kids. Okay. That's where we're donating.

• 29:53Speaker 07

  Okay. We'll have to let him know because he's gone.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 05

  Five hundred dollars.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Tony, you, uh, the chat room says you should win, so we're going to give it to your.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  It was a live animal that, uh, has.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  The word fish.

• 30:04Speaker 07

  The only person that's against it right now is Corey Calkins. I, I, you know, get out of here, Corey.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, it, uh, it was on, it was on the end of a hook on his fishing rod.

• 30:17Speaker 05

  $500 for the the shellfish catch going to Huyani?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Catching for kids and yeah, it looks like they are out of that same area of uh of uh Beaufort, North Carolina, the Crystal Coast there and um yeah, you can help them out. It looks like they take donations uh to purchase rods, reels, tackle. Um they give out like they do like adopt a family for Christmas and give out that kind of stuff.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Um. On that note, some kid would have been very excited to catch that hunk of uh clams.

• 30:48Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  Cause it wasn't just one.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  Okay, it says right here their goal, children spending quality time outdoors, enjoying fishing and all the water has to offer.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  Can't say no to that.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  That's right. Uh me, Dieter can't take it back now. $500.

• 31:03Speaker 07

  Corey says chat GPT says a shellfish is not a fish. That's more of a reason to stay away from chat GPT.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Wonder where Corey is right now.

• 31:12Speaker 06

  Probably on a river somewhere.

• 31:13Speaker 07

  He's just jealous that he's after his embarrassing uh look on the the pond in the back these last few weeks.

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  To explore Zamberland's handcrafted hiking, hunting, and work boots, visit zamberlandusa.com. What else we got, Phil, for listener feedback?

• 34:32Speaker 07

  Got some feedback here, let's do it. Titus asks, here's a question for the crew, which is harder, finding a matching set of shed antlers, an antler deadhead, or shooting a buck?

• 34:43Speaker 05

  If I were to rank those things. Shooting a buck easiest. Finding an antler deadhead, second easiest. Finding a matching set of shed antlers, third.

• 34:55Speaker 06

  Agreed.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  I agree with you.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  I've, I've found many of deadheads that have both antlers, but as far as matching sets go, I have three, I think.

• 35:07Speaker 06

  I've never found one.

• 35:09Speaker 05

  Is your, is your Wisconsin property good for shed hunting?

• 35:13Speaker 05

  Some properties are, are set up real well.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  They're not. I'm, uh, this is, this would be a nice segue if we were going right to this, but, uh, the, my oak savanna, supposedly they love dropping their antlers in that tall, in that tall grass. So maybe it'll become that way. I think that we've, I found one shed this year when I was there turkey hunting.

• 35:37Speaker 04

  I would overall say no, although my dad did find a matching set. It took him over the course of a whole year to find the other side, but he did find both sides. And that was that big old giant that, you know, just the antlers themselves, no spread credit was, uh, like, almost 180.

• 35:58Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  180 without spread?

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:02Speaker 05

  You gotta show me these antlers.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I don't have, they're in, uh, at my dad's house, but I could show, I have some pictures I can show you.

• 36:09Speaker 05

  180 without spread? So if he had an 18 inch spread, he's almost a 200 inch deer.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a giant. He was. We haven't seen him now for a couple, three years.

• 36:20Speaker 05

  Who measured this deer? You?

• 36:21Speaker 04

  I did.

• 36:22Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 36:24Speaker 05

  180.

• 36:26Speaker 05

  How have you not shown me these things?

• 36:28Speaker 04

  I figured I have. I've shown all, all of my whitetail fanatic friends, but I guess not you.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  What's, what's he got going on? How many points?

• 36:36Speaker 04

  He's actually just a mainframe eight, but he's got incredible, uh, brow tines, the year that we found the shed.

• 36:42Speaker 05

  Mainframe eight going 180 inches, um, almost impossible.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  I mean, he's got like.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  You're certain?

• 36:49Speaker 04

  I mean, he's, well, again, it depends on what counts as mainframe and what, what you'd count as like an inline sticker. But like, yeah, when you look at him, you're like, oh no, he's not a 10 point. It's just like, but he looks incredibly massive because he's like, his brow tines are probably almost as long as his longest. You know, regular times is G2 and 3.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  But he could have 10 inches of stickers and that would still be like an unbelievable 4x4.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm happy to show you multiple pictures of him. Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  I'm mildly skeptical.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:24Speaker 05

  180 inches without spread.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 05

  Okay. I hope you're accurate. I hope it's right. Blow my mind.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I even went through a scoring app with the buck and like an app that scores. It and I came up with roughly the same answer.

• 37:43Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:44Speaker 07

  Will asks, have you guys ever battered and fried trout filets? He says everyone tells him he's crazy to do it.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  I have not.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  I have. They're crazy to think that you can't batter and fry anything out there. I recently heard that, you know, Greece is the great American equalizer. I love that saying.

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Who said that?

• 38:08Speaker 04

  I don't know where I picked that up. But yeah, man, I've totally done just straight up deep fried trout. Nothing wrong with it. You know, just make sure you do a good job getting the bones out of it and you'll have a tasty meal.

• 38:25Speaker 07

  Now we move on to Spencer's accessory corner. First, Spencer, version 2.0 asks, Spencer, where can I buy that hat? That thing is awesome.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  Oh, the Meat Eater Store, theMeatEater.com, maybe store dot theMeatEater.com. This is one of our new offerings. I think our merch has gotten so strong.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:46Speaker 07

  It's improved tenfold the last couple of years.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  This hat is a good example of that. It's got a bison on it. Yanni said this is what the cool kids wear now, these hats.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. The little rope on it. Kind of sits a little bit high. I don't really like the way they fit on me, but. Laura Mascari, I believe that's how you say her name, who's running our merch program these days. She said it made me look young. So here I am again.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  There you go. I think of our, of our improved merch offerings, a hat is at the top of the list and we all three have some of our new hats on today.

• 39:20Speaker 07

  Uh, the second question in the Spencer accessory corner comes from Mogor. Yeah. Spencer, my girlfriend says you've got the coolest notebook sticker she's ever seen.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 39:29Speaker 07

  She thinks Teddy was the greatest president of all time. Uh, I think you can let Mogor know where people can get that.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  Seth Morris, his wife is an artist, Kelsey, and um, she sells a variety of stickers and prints on her website. I'm not certain what that is, but that sticker is one of Kelsey's stickers. I think we even sell them in our brick and mortar meat eater store in Bozeman. Um, so if you type in, I think it's like.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  I've seen him there.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  K Ray Arts, um, something like that. Um, that is where you could get that sticker.

• 40:02Speaker 07

  Uh, let's see. I know we don't have meat eater menu on this, on the docket today, but Freddie Rick and the Mons asks, uh, just what you guys have been cooking, wild game dishes you've been cooking.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Oh, I got a hot answer for you, Freddie. Recently did a, my first ever birria, uh, dish and I just used a bunch of like neck shanks and lots, a lot to learn from, from this, you know, Rinella and I always go back and forth because he still likes to grind, like the stuff that has all the sinew meat in it. And I just think that's crazy because then you have to eat a burger and that you gotta pick stuff out of your teeth. And that stuff doesn't do you any good in the burger, but where it does do you so much good is in a dish like birria, which basically it's very simple. Uh, I use the New York Times cooking app. I think we have a version of it on the meat eater. Um, but I just chunked

• 40:57Speaker 04

  up the neck and these shanks into, I don't know, two to three inch pieces. Uh, did a very quick brine in just water, the half cup of vinegar and some salt. That's it. You do that for 30 minutes and it's amazing how much that actually changes sort of the feel and texture of the meat. Then put it into a slow braising pot like Dutch oven style, cover it with cold water and uh, again, a little bit of salts. I don't think there's any spices yet. You let that roll for like two hours until it starts to cook down. As that's going, you rehydrate. Uh, some chili peppers. I forget exactly what, what kind, but not too spicy.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Corcho maybe or something like that. Once they're rehydrated, you take them in a cup of the water you use to rehydrate. Put them in your blender, buzz it up until you just get this like saucy pasty thing. Dump that into the braising liquid, um, and basically just let it cook until it's shreddable. And then you serve it. You actually take the meat out of the broth while it's still warm. Season it, salt and pepper, and then corn tortillas, lots of white onion, cilantro. Um, that's the basic. You can just leave it as is, but then, uh, I also did some, uh, pineapple chunks on there. We had some of that cotia cheese, um, and then you make your taco.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  And the recipe said to actually eat the taco and then chase it with the broth. But what we started doing is actually doing like almost a, um,

• 42:27Speaker 05

  French dip.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  French dip style. Yeah. Taking that taco and dunking it in that cup. And, uh, absolutely delicious. My wife and I made a pot last week and I think we've had that, uh, for dinner four out of the last five nights.

• 42:39Speaker 05

  No kids around though to review it.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  No kids around, yeah.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Are you cooking differently now that your girls are off at camp for a little while?

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  Oh, tell me what's different.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Well, just that, that we just, we ate the same dinner four out of five nights.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  Girls would not, they wouldn't let that fly.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  You know what? I don't know. Cause I don't think we've ever tried them, but I just feel I'm compelled to cook them different foods and do like different dinners every night. I mean, I don't know. I usually make enough to have a leftover a few nights later, but, uh, never like four out of five, like I'm rolling with right now. But it's just very simple. We're not like sit, a lot of times we're just sitting there in the kitchen is standing and eating. So that we can just like clean up real fast and get back to whatever we're doing.

• 43:20Speaker 07

  Spencer, what's this?

• 43:21Speaker 05

  I, I made elk steaks last night. Um, I love summer grilling weather. So, had those on the camp chef, um, with some tados and asparagus.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  What cut? Did you make those out of?

• 43:32Speaker 05

  Um, that was, I don't remember what it was.

• 43:37Speaker 05

  I don't recall now. I pulled it out of the freezer like a week ago and then instantly put them into a Ziploc bag, so I don't even recall.

• 43:44Speaker 04

  Was it like a whole muscle and then you cut it up into steaks?

• 43:48Speaker 05

  No, these were already steaked by our friend Anna Borgman. I don't know if Anna did this specifically for me because she knows my family size is just me and my wife, but I got very petite sized portions of steaks and roasts and I really appreciated that. Maybe she does that for everyone, but I imagine if you're like a family of five and she knows that, that you'd get, you know, six steaks in one of your packages. Instead of mine, came two at a time. I really liked that. It felt like I was getting some boutique butchery by Anna there.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  Which you are.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  Yes, that's right.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  How is that bull eaten overall?

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Oh, very good. Yeah, I got no, no issues with it. My favorite thing, what makes me more motivated to kill more elk are just the sizes of the roasts. I'm so used to working with deer that, you know, are 160 pounds or whatever. And I'm just like very familiar with all the steaks and roasts that you get from that. But the, the size of the steaks and the roasts off an elk, very different, very fun to work with. I like that.

• 44:58Speaker 07

  All right, we'll do one more question and we'll move along here. Owen Eggs82 says, "Phil, hoarder alliance?" The answer is alliance. Shout out to my night elf druid and my human warrior Krentist. I miss you guys. All right, that's it.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  And then to, to circle back to the sticker, it is krayartworks.com. That's K-R-A-E-artworks.com. And she has that sticker there.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Thanks for that Spencer. All right, our next segment is fake news.

• 45:35Speaker 06

  So is that so? This opportunity comes once every few weeks.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  You can do anything you set your minds to, guys.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  Does the, does the general public know that it is you that is singing those songs?

• 45:49Speaker 07

  I believe so.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  Okay, good.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  No, we actually got Eminem to do that one.

• 45:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, right.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  He's such a big fan, being from Michigan and all. He said, I could do this.

• 45:58Speaker 07

  That's where the entire podcast budget went to this year.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  All right, Fake News is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Your job is to figure out which one is true. So grab your whiteboard, Yanni, grab your whiteboard, Chili. Don't be cheating, looking at my computer.

• 46:15Speaker 06

  Just headlines.

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Just headlines. The first headline. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first blank farm? Is it octopus? Panda? Mosquito? Or crocodile?

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm? Why scientists are horrified by the world's first panda farm? Why scientists are horrified by the world's first mosquito farm? Why scientists are horrified by the world's first crocodile farm? One of those is real. The other three are fake. Chili, very quick to answer, it's almost as though you know it. Do you know it, Chili?

• 46:59Speaker 06

  No, it's the first time I'm seeing this question.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  I didn't catch this in the news either.

• 47:05Speaker 06

  Um, but I have a, I have a good train of thought as to why I think this is right.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  Why scientists are horrified by the world's first blank farm? Octopus, panda, mosquito, crocodile.

• 47:17Speaker 06

  I'm ready.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  Boys, ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Yanis saying mosquito farm. We have Chili saying octopus farm.

• 47:27Speaker 05

  One of you is right. The correct answer is octopus. Ah. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm. That headline was from Veg Out on July 2nd, 2025. The Spanish seafood giant Noueva Pesquinova is currently working on the world's first commercial octopus farm. Animal activists are flatly against the operation, especially since the octopi are killed by getting dumped into tanks of ice water where they slowly freeze to death. This has captured the attention of American lawmakers who are working on legislation that would ban commercial octopus farming in the United States. Senators from Rhode Island and Alaska are drafting the bill, saying, quote, "Science

• 48:11Speaker 05

  has shown that octopuses are sentient, emotionally complex animals, and the conditions required to farm them are inherently cruel and incompatible with their basic needs." Have you ever eaten octopus, Yanni?

• 48:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 05

  I have not. What were you eating it at?

• 48:26Speaker 04

  You have not?

• 48:27Speaker 05

  I've, I've just never had the opportunity. I'm not, I haven't turned down the chance to eat octopus.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, you could order it anytime you go to a sushi joint, usually.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  Really?

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Well, the.

• 48:39Speaker 05

  What, what, how have you eaten your octopus? You like it?

• 48:41Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, love it. Yeah, I've had it that, I've had it at sushi joints, probably a couple of different ways, but I think in the end, it's probably always cooked somewhat similarly where, you know, it's, it can be tough. And so it has to have sort of the tenderness beaten into it. But I think it's usually served cold, you know, when, when you do it over, like nigiri, you know, over rice.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  You know you're eating octopus when you're served octopus.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:11Speaker 05

  It looks just like octopus.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  Chili, do you have an octopus review?

• 49:15Speaker 06

  Um, yeah, there is a documentary out there called My Octopus Teacher, and it's on Netflix. And that's kind of like where, like, as soon as the question popped up, that's where my head went. And there's a lot of good information about it, like, octopus are a lot more, I mean, there's much more to them than we'll probably ever know.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  Have you eaten it, though?

• 49:32Speaker 06

  Have I eaten it? Oh, oh, that's what we're talking about? Okay, um, no.

• 49:38Speaker 05

  I'm fine with farming all sorts of stuff that makes it to our dinner plate, but you know what? I'd maybe side with the animal activists here, that octopi, we could just leave alone. Let them do their own thing. What do you think of that?

• 49:51Speaker 04

  Um, tha- that's fine, but I would ask you then, is it still okay to then just, you know, drag them up out of the depths or grab them out of their little hole and bite them in the head?

• 50:01Speaker 05

  About this, I haven't thought a lot about it. Um, I would say, uh, as of now, you can ask me tomorrow. Against octopi farming, for harvesting octopus in the wild, though.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  That's my stance, official stance as of today.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Okay. Yeah, I can get down with that. I'd have to, uh, read into it a little bit more, but-

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Phil, you love eating octopus?

• 50:21Speaker 07

  I think I, I swear I have, but I can't remember when or where, so this is a, I shouldn't have even said anything.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  Yanni was making me feel bad for never having it.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  In Alaska, you know, they smoke it often and then preserve it is, is how I've had it a lot too. It's delicious.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  All right. Headline two. It's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban blank. Is it glass, horses, skateboards, or cash?

• 50:52Speaker 05

  It's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban glass. It's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban horses. It's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban skateboards. Or it's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban cash.

• 51:13Speaker 07

  Uh, our, our producer Jake just popped into our private chat here and said he's eaten live octopus.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 51:18Speaker 05

  I don't know how that works. It must've been small, right?

• 51:22Speaker 07

  No, no, no. Let us know, Jake.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 51:23Speaker 07

  We'll update the audience.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 51:26Speaker 05

  Our players are slower to answer this time. Chili got that first question, right? Yanni did not.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  I have an answer.

• 51:32Speaker 05

  It's the end of an era. The US national parks prepare to ban, is it glass, horses, skateboards, or cash?

• 51:42Speaker 04

  I could see, I could see two out of four being correct here.

• 51:45Speaker 06

  I feel like the, the beginning of this question, it's the end of an era.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  So it has to be something that like has been around for a long time.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Are you boys ready?

• 51:55Speaker 04

  All four of those things have been around for a long time. Well, I know they've been around, but like it's like something that's like it'll be shocking once it goes away.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  Are you boys ready?

• 52:02Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Yanis saying horses and Chili saying horses. You're both wrong.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  No.

• 52:12Speaker 05

  What would be your next guess?

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Cash. Skateboards?

• 52:15Speaker 05

  Cash is correct.

• 52:17Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  It's the end of an era. The U.S. National Parks prepare to ban cash. This headline was from the Travel on July 2nd, 2025. The National Park Service has been slowly moving toward card only for a few years and plans to be totally cashless soon. NPS says it's been, quote, "overwhelmingly positive experience for both visitors and employers so far." They claim it reduces transaction time at entrances, creates fewer accounting errors, and lessens the risk of theft. Critics say this will directly impact international visitors who want to avoid overseas card fees, as well as youth who don't have their own bank accounts. Some senators are pushing back on the new policy, questioning how the federal government

• 53:02Speaker 05

  can legally refuse currency that was created by the federal government.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  You both seem like cash guys to me. I bet Yanis got like sixty dollars in cash on him right now. Or Chili. Chili, I bet you got sixty dollars in cash.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. I've got, I've got ten on me and then I think I've probably got a couple of twenties out in the car. Um, I do like to have a little bit around, uh, but man, it's just becoming like, you used to always use that emergency cash and now I feel like those twenties in the car, they maybe have been there for years.

• 53:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Um, my dad's gonna be upset.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  Why?

• 53:39Speaker 04

  Because he's a cash guy.

• 53:40Speaker 05

  He's a big cash guy?

• 53:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, like we go through this every-

• 53:42Speaker 05

  How many national parks does he go to though?

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Not that much. No, no. But I think just in, uh, in, what am I trying to say? Like the idea of it, right?

• 53:51Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  He's, he's not gonna be into it. We go through this at hunting camp every year. He's the guy that pays the, for the lodging and then has to collect the money from the rest of the group.

• 54:00Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 54:01Speaker 04

  And so there's cash, there's checks. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, if you had Venmo, all the money would already be in your bank account.

• 54:08Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  Instead, you have to deal with this and like add and subtract and it's just, yeah. Uh, you know, lately, I'm a late adopter, I think, but, uh, I've really come to, uh- Embrace and love the Apple Wallet.

• 54:23Speaker 05

  Oh, it is convenient. I think at first it wasn't because not enough.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:28Speaker 05

  Places would accept it, but now it's like almost universal. So smooth.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  So smooth.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  Chili, what are you doing with all that cash on you?

• 54:36Speaker 06

  Oh, you know, I just, I kind of save it. Like when I go on trips, it's like good to have some cash that you can like, I don't know. Spend it on stuff that like souvenirs, whatever.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  It's free money at that point.

• 54:47Speaker 06

  Right.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're not spending your own money.

• 54:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, for sure. Do you guys still have the change jars? Is that a thing still?

• 54:55Speaker 04

  There's one in my house, but it does, it's not filling up anymore.

• 54:59Speaker 06

  Mine is.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  Stagnant.

• 55:00Speaker 06

  I have one that I always go and do the change exchange thing. Walk away with about a hundred bucks.

• 55:06Speaker 05

  There you go. I like to keep some cash in like my tackle box. In case something were to happen while I'm fishing where I need help from a fellow angler. It came in handy. One time I helped out a guy one time and I jumped his pickup for him. And then I kept that 20 in my tackle box until I had to use it. Like four years later, I got stuck in a snow drift ice fishing and someone came and pulled me out. Um, so it's like the, the brotherhood of the traveling $20 bill at this point. There's only one thing I use cash for anymore and that's it.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  Headline three. Florida fisherman is charged in shark blank. Is it robbery? Meat fraud? Stabbing? Or drug smuggling?

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Florida fisherman is charged in shark robbery. Florida fisherman is charged in shark meat fraud. Florida fisherman is charged in shark stabbing. Florida fisherman is charged in shark drug smuggling.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  I'm liking this version of it, but when you first explained the game to me, I thought that you were going to have just three completely different headlines.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  And one of them was gonna be real.

• 56:25Speaker 05

  No, we're just swapping out.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Or one was gonna be the imposter.

• 56:29Speaker 05

  Florida fisherman is charged in shark. Is it robbery, meat fraud, stabbing, or drug smuggling? Uh, you both got question two wrong. Only Chili got question one right. Are you ready?

• 56:41Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 56:42Speaker 05

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have, uh, we have Yanis saying meat fraud and Chili saying stabbing.

• 56:52Speaker 05

  Correct answer.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  I feel like that stabbing is what a Florida person might do.

• 56:55Speaker 05

  Is stabbing. Chili got it right.

• 56:58Speaker 07

  That's not the right slide.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  He got two of these.

• 57:00Speaker 07

  I forgot to put the headline in there. That's from the old game. Fake news. It's stabbing.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  Chili got two of these right. This headline was from the New York Times on June 6th, 2025. It's about Zane Garrett, a charter fisherman who is being charged with animal cruelty. The 26-year-old was shown in a viral video repeatedly stabbing a shark and then cutting the line. The Florida man told authorities that it was revenge for the shark stealing his fish. His business's website, Second Nature Charters, says, quote, "With Captain Zane at the helm, every fishing excursion becomes an unforgettable journey filled with camaraderie, law, uh, I don't know what that next word is I wrote down, and most importantly, epic catches that will be cherished for a lifetime. This comes just one month after a different Florida fishing guide

• 57:47Speaker 05

  was sentenced to 30 days in jail for shooting and poisoning dolphins." This Florida man.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Meat fraud has been in the news lately.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  Uh, what, what example?

• 57:58Speaker 04

  Specifically, you know, seafood meat fraud.

• 58:01Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm gonna try to get a future guest to talk about in South Carolina. Is this what you're referring to?

• 58:06Speaker 04

  I thought that it was West Coast where I had, uh, read about it.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  What I'm referring to is in South Carolina, um, they sort of just did a big sting operation with a DNA tested.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 58:17Speaker 05

  All the shrimp in these businesses that were saying they're Selling locally caught shrimp. And they identified, I think it was 25 places, which is a crap load. That the DNA showed those shrimp came from overseas.

• 58:30Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 05

  From like farms in Thailand.

• 58:32Steven Rinella?

  Because the local shrimp is so much more expensive.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, that that bothered me a lot when I saw that. That would bum me out when I go somewhere and it like elevates the experience thinking I'm eating one thing. And then to find out it's just shrimp that came from Costco. What a bummer.

• 58:51Steven Rinella?

  Major bummer.

• 58:52Speaker 05

  Future episode, we're going to interview somebody about that that shrimp fraud. Putting it out there right now.

• 58:58Steven Rinella?

  Do it.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  All right, that's the end of fake news. Chili's the big winner today.

• 59:01Steven Rinella?

  Good job, Chili.

• 59:02Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 59:03Steven Rinella?

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• 59:03Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 59:04Steven Rinella?

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• 59:07Speaker 06

  Current events, yeah.

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• 1:02:12Steven Rinella?

  The two of them have been helping me execute the Oaks Savannah project on our land in Wisconsin. Jacob and Bo, welcome to the show.

• 1:02:21Speaker 03

  Hey, how are you guys doing?

• 1:02:24Steven Rinella?

  We're doing great. Not standing outside in a soon-to-be Oaks Savannah like you guys, though. So I'm jealous for sure.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a bit warm out today, but otherwise we're doing all right.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  It's nice.

• 1:02:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it looks like a nice day. What is the temp? It's been hot there lately.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Eighty-seven.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, that's not too bad at all. Unless the humidity is 97, then it could be, it could be bad. But it looks like you guys are enjoying, you guys are enjoying the shade of one of my oak trees that are left standing, huh?

• 1:02:58Speaker 07

  You bet.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Smart.

• 1:02:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, we are.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  Alright, first, tell me about the program that you two help administer, um, and then sort of explain, uh, how that program is, is, you know, working the project that, uh, you guys are helping my dad and I with.

• 1:03:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, so our program is the Partners for Fish and Wildlife Program like Yanni introduced. Um, we're with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, or specifically I am, um, with that program. And, um, our program was designed or born out of the, um, late 80s under the National Wildlife Refuge System. Um, and our program is designed to help private landowners. So we define private landowners as anything non-state or federal owned. So, city, uh, county land, obviously our biggest bread and butter is private landowners. Um, we can help, uh, with this, with these restoration projects via cost share and technical assistance. We also have several partners that we work with collaboratively to try to implement those, those restoration projects. Um, and I'll let Bo talk a little bit more specifically about the project here that we're working on with you.

• 1:04:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, uh, so if my memory jogs me right, Yannis reached out to us. Um, so a lot of landowners, uh, approached us with these potential projects to invite us out onto the property, uh, to do a site visit. Uh, so we came out, checked out the site, uh, before we came out here. We actually did a little bit of homework looking up, uh, in the 1937 aerial photos, uh, that are posted for Wisconsin. Saw that this specific area that we're working in here was a little bit more open growing, a little bit less tree density, not agriculture. Uh, and kinda gave us the signs of an oak savanna remnants, or a potential for an oak savanna remnant. Um, and so that's pretty much exactly what we're doing out here. Uh, trying to restore an oak savanna. This area historically was a mix of, you know, brush, oak savannas, prairies,

• 1:04:45Speaker 07

  uh, back when the indigenous people were here. Uh, and so we're just trying to restore the native habitat, uh, back to that time to benefit, you know, the wildlife species that are out here.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  All right, so ta-take me through the timeline, um, which I-I gotta say, people have asked me how how like how efficient this process has been and out of all the work that I've been doing out there, um, you get your project specifically has been like the most efficient and and like we've been moving extremely fast, which has been awesome to see because a lot of this stuff just takes forever. But take me through this sort of the timeline and and the different steps and and take us up to present day.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, we appreciate the kudos on that for sure. We're a pretty small and nimble program and so we are pretty flexible and can act pretty quickly when the situation presents itself. But like Bo said, Yanni had gotten a hold of us about a year ago. Logging operations were happening, so there was, uh, timber being cut, hauled off, decked, the whole nine yards. Um, and we came in and it was the property was covered in in timber slash. So when we had the area identified, the unit identified, you know, we got a hold of Yannis, made sure we had all the objectives correct and everything like that. And then our first step was, okay, if we're gonna seed this thing down to a more herbaceous understory cover, um, kind of like a, you know, in a savanna, um, we needed to get some of that timber slash cleaned up. So we had a contractor come out, um, we hired him, worked

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  through that process, oversaw those operations, um, especially because Yannis being an absentee landowner, that's kind of something we can help with, obviously, from a technical standpoint. Oversaw that operation, got it, everything piled and cleaned up. Um, and then it's kind of a waiting game to see what comes back on that in that seed bed. Um, we saw a host of species coming back, some good, some less desirable. Um, incredibly, nothing insanely wild. A lot of times when we do that, it can be a flush of buckthorn or, uh, multiflora rose or several other, uh, invasive species that we see across the site. So it wasn't too bad in that regard. Um, at that point, we then said, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna prescribe a herbicide application. We have some limits.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  mutations out here with stumps and the tree stems that still exist. So we're kind of limited on like mechanical treatments and stuff. So herbicide was our best go to tool. Um, I know it's not always the most popular treatment. Um, and we try to work with individual landowners based on those objectives. Um, accordingly, but in this scenario, we agreed that herbicide was the right option. Um, so we prescribed, uh, glyphosate and 24D. Um, and when used correctly, following all safety, following timing, all that kind of stuff, we can get a good general kill on this. Uh, what we're seeing today is that, that there's a kill out here from a, from a, um, a spray that was done about two weeks ago or so. Um, there are some missed spots, but that happens. Um, not the end of the world.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  We'll come back and do one more treatment towards the end of the summer and then hopefully that's, that's the means to the end. There, there, there will hopefully be no more spraying, or if so, be very limited and very targeted. Um, and the idea is we're setting our native species up that we plan to plant this fall or winter, um, for the most success with, uh, with the least competition as they get going.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  Okay. So my neighbor and I were, I was there two weeks ago. My neighbor and I did the spraying, uh, on a scale of one to 10. How, how good of a job did we do as, uh, as, uh, herbicide applicators?

• 1:07:59Speaker 07

  There's always going to be misses, you know, nobody, uh, can get it all in the first rounds. Um, I'd probably say, you know, between an eight and a nine.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 1:08:08Speaker 07

  Just about, I'm going to cross the board though. That's what you get with, especially with these stumps, a little bit of uneven topography. Uh, from that logging operation, leaving some ruts in locations, kind of made it probably a little bit difficult for you to do, you know, a full, uh, complete application here. Um, that's why people always just come back out and, you know, reapply. The spots that you missed are really easy to see. And so you can just touch those up at a later time.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  Do you guys feel like the, uh, the touch up can be done with a backpack sprayer? Or is it going to take another round of, of driving around on the ATV?

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Uh, it only looked like there was maybe one or two small strips and honestly, it, we don't need a hundred percent burn down too. The idea is just to reduce competition. So. You know, in my opinion, I think the second round of application that we do later in the fall, um, targeting some of the woody species that are out here. I think that's going to take care of it. And I, I think you guys will be set up really good. Um, we'll still have enough seed bed. Uh, exposed for us to broadcast seed and get good seed to soil content. For the the winner to to do its work with with freeze thaw action. So. Yeah, I mean, I there's no need to do more than we need to do, right? So I think one more treatment as planned at the end of the season and and we should be in in good shape.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  Right, right. Okay, so I think a lot of people, including myself, when I first heard about this program, I was sort of wondering like, well, why would the American government spend taxpayer money to be doing this kind of work on private lands?

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  Like, what how how does it benefit just like the taxpayer that is probably never going to get to step foot on that land?

• 1:09:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, uh, so the program, you know, is a cost share program. So we're putting, you know, the American taxpayers' dollar back into habitat, trying to improve habitat. Our program's designed uh around trust species, federal trust species that are threatened and endangered. Uh, declining in population. That's our big focus out here. Um, and so all that, you know, the taxpayer dollars that's going, you know, back into the ground, trying to improve the habitat for local wildlife. Uh, and also migratory birds, uh, you know, any wildlife, I guess, in the area. Also, you know, it's really great. We try and use local contractors to boost the local economy out here. Um, a lot of the areas that we're working in is rural Wisconsin, and so we try and find ways to boost that local

• 1:10:29Speaker 07

  economy, uh, find ways to fit in with the community. Um, sometimes we'll have community fire departments, uh, help us out on these properties. So we're trying to find a way to almost, you know, kind of get back to these local communities and support. Uh, financially with them and also collaborate with them, such as, uh, fire departments and other partners that we use out here. So all in all, it all goes back to good habitat, just to improve, you know, a better climate resilient habitat out here versus just a bunch of invasives that, you know, is kind of degrading for uh the wildlife species that we see.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  I think I would just add, uh, clean water, uh, healthy soil, local healthy ecosystems, as he mentioned, carbon sequestration, right? All of those really great things that occur with healthy, healthy ecosystems. Um, that's what the American public has benefit on with with the help here. So.

• 1:11:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18Speaker 04

  All right, obviously, I'm way interested in the uh, the what the habitat's gonna do for deer and turkey. But tell me from your viewpoint, like, what other, what what sort of special species are you guys hoping to help out with this and possibly like us being able to get to see in in the coming years from this work that we're doing?

• 1:11:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, so like I mentioned earlier, kind of designed around those threatening federal federally endangered species out here. Um, we're actually in a high potential range for the federally endangered carner blue butterfly. Uh, also the rusty patch bumblebee, uh, so is, you know, might not be number one hitters that people think of, you know, but they're very important to us in our program. Um, and so we're hoping to see some of those. We've already seen some monarchs out here using the property when we've about doing site assessments. Uh, and monitoring to kind of check in on the project. Um, outside of that, you know, migratory birds are going to hopefully be using this. Uh, uh, redheaded woodpeckers, a species of concern for us. We've, uh, we're hoping to see a couple of those out here.

• 1:12:19Speaker 07

  We leave, uh, dead standing snags to kind of provide that wildlife habitat for them. So across the board, we're trying to hit a whole spectrum, whether it's the pollinators, uh, the birds, the deer, the turkey. All in all, our program is driven towards those threatening endangered species, but we recognize and understand that a lot of these projects that we do are going to benefit that local wildlife, such as the deer, the turkey, bear, grouse. Uh, you name it. It's just kind of a whole umbrella restoration here. We're kind of just directing it towards one thing, but understand and know that those other species are definitely going to be betting benefiting from it.

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  Uh, what kind of upkeep is going to be involved for Yanis? Is this a place that he's going to need to mess with next year and five years from now and 10 years from now?

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, habitat restoration is definitely not something that happens overnight. I mean, we've, we've let these ecosystems slide into invasive species peril and unchecked systems for hundreds of years. So, um, it's definitely not something that happens overnight. Uh, yeah, future management will likely include prescribed fire. Um, that's not an option for everybody always. So there are other, um, alternatives, sometimes mowing, spot mowing, some stuff like that to try to keep things, um, keep things in check, but prescribed fire is going to be a big one. Spot spraying might be required depending on, on, um, how the system responds. Um, but the hope is that honestly, the Biggest maintenance tool going forward on the, you know, three to six year return fire

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  return interval would be, would be prescribed fire. Um, part of what we did with this project was, and, and Yanis, to his credit, was very adamant that we made sure that we accounted for, you know, some of the trail systems being considered as, as burn breaks. So, um, which is a huge thing. So that'll help with implementation of that prescribed fire.

• 1:14:05Speaker 07

  Yeah. And I'll add to that. Uh, the prescribed fire, it's a great tool because that kind of helps reduce that need for herbicide out here, you know, in terms of long-term. Um, so you know, that's going to cut down on your woody invasives that might be coming in. It's going to help rejuvenate that prairie or the oak savanna, um, kind of clean up the thatch a little bit as, you know, obviously we have snow here in Wisconsin. Things lay down, gets matted down over time. Kind of makes it harder over, uh, a long-term for those seeds to kind of work their way into the soil and keep expressing themselves within the prairie, which then kind of turns away from the wildlife benefit that we're trying to provide out here. So all in all, it does, you know, um, a number, I guess, of, uh, wonders

• 1:14:47Speaker 07

  for us out here. And that's why Jacob, you know, we're kind of hitting on it so hard just because it really helps reduce that herbicide use, rejuvenates it and just, you know, keeps the habitat, uh, what it is.

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  Awesome. Thanks, guys. We appreciate you guys taking the time. I look forward to, uh, reading the report today and, uh, hearing the follow-up later. But, uh, thank you again. And, um, oh, I guess if anyone's interested in, uh, doing this on their own property, um, or just wanting to find out more about this program, uh, how, how do they do that?

• 1:15:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would suggest people just Google the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Partners for Fish and Wildlife Prop, uh, Program. Um, you'll find the state that you're located in, and typically there's a, um, a, uh, point of contact. Typically it's our state coordinators or someone acting in that role. And they'll get you in touch with the local biologist that would service, you know, your counties or your area. When you do touch base with them, obviously contact information, um, property description, kind of your habitat objectives, that kind of stuff. It helps streamline some of that communication and keep.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  Us moving at a pretty uh quick pace. Alternatively, your your local conservation departments, your nonprofits, uh natural resource conservation service, Farm Service Agency, all those uh folks are collaborators that would know about us and can refer us to, but um word of mouth is how we is how we spread our name. So um yeah, hopefully uh hopefully we get some calls.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  All right. I love it, man. This gets me fired up. Thanks, Jake. Thanks, Bo. We'll talk to you guys soon.

• 1:16:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 07

  Take care, guys.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  All right, that gets me super excited just because I'm like, I'm into it. I'm in the rabbit hole. And uh they just sort of like, they just mix me up in the mud down there and get me all fired up. Does that at all interest you guys like that, hearing about doing that kind of work?

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  Um, the the prospects of me owning a property are so distant that it it interests me less. Because I I'm jealous of you that you get to make those decisions and participate in those things.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  All right. Well, you're invited, though, so you might get the opportunity to go hunt that oak savanna someday.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  I like that. I'm gonna kill a deer there.

• 1:16:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Speaker 05

  See all them uh them pretty endangered butterflies.

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  Oh, man, that's be my like, would be the best thing ever is if I could be there one summer and show my girls the monarch butterfly. And uh so, because I don't know if they've actually seen one yet. And I think there's gonna be a lot of, a lot of kids. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of kids that are in that that age right now, you know, whatever, fifteen and under, that will maybe never see a monarch butterfly in their lives.

• 1:17:24Speaker 07

  That sounds insane.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Right? Doesn't it? It's a terrible thing to think about. So that's why I'm pumped on this is maybe we'll just give them a little bit longer shot at keep sticking around.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  I liked your question about uh why the government would like uh spend money or like, you know, take a haircut on helping out a a private landowner like you. And that's not, that's like not a new concept at all. Where Chili and I grew up in the Great Plains. There was uh the the Great Shelter Belt Project, which restored all kinds of habitats and and created all sorts of new habitat. Uh CRP, that's one of the biggest programs in the Great Plains, uh and wildlife don't know. They don't uh, they don't care if it's public or private. It benefits everybody.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, especially, you know, and you can read this on their website, right? East of the Mississippi, it's like 80% of the land is private. So if you don't have people doing this kind of stuff on that amount of land, those little public vestiges, just they can't do it on their own, right? It's gotta be a bigger ecosystem. Alright, Phil, uh, let's wrap it up with a few more questions.

• 1:18:30Speaker 07

  Sure, I don't know if you have an answer to this, or if this even would have been a good question for Jacob or Beau, but Kevin Morse asks, "How do you stop deer from eating the good treetops after logging, leaving nothing but less desirable underbrush? We're having that issue on our logged property."

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think Kevin's asking when he says, uh, "the good treetops", meaning like probably new growth of, of young, uh, desirable trees that they want to keep. Um, yeah, we haven't had that problem yet because we're getting such a flush of the desirable trees that there's enough, and our deer population is low enough that they're not hammering them. I mean, they do nibble on them, but in places like that, where you have to go to more extreme measures, um, I've been reading up on it.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  It's a lot. You can, you can basically cage them out. Um, you can, there's people have done fencing, literally. Uh, there's also a thing that after you've done the logging, you can use the logging slash, slash itself to build basically a perimeter around certain zones, and those will keep the deer out. But again, it takes time and money and effort to, you know, build these, you know, literally, you know, 10 foot tall, 10 foot wide walls of slash to keep deer out of zones like that.

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, that's kind of what I've seen so far. Um, I know that it's a, I guess you can shoot deer. Uh, that, that's a good way to do it, is shoot a lot of does, try to, you know, limit your deer population a little bit. But, um, I know that there's certain, definitely certain places in the United States where it's a big issue, is, uh, to kind of keep the deer back from eating all the good trees.

• 1:20:15Speaker 07

  Cool. Uh, let's see here. If, uh, Andrew is asking Spencer, how was the trip to Isle Royale? I think you might've covered this a little on trivia, possibly. I don't remember, but have you talked about this at all?

• 1:20:27Speaker 05

  Um, I don't think I have. I, I loved it, Andrew. It was, it was super cool. Um, it's a part of the world I'm very interested in specifically because of the, the world's longest predator prey study that's been taking place there for the last 75 years. Uh, if you're not familiar, there are wolves on the island and there are moose on the island. And it's one of the best way that biologists can study, uh, how those two animals interact. And so to, to get to be in that place, um, in the middle of Lake Superior, um, was, was a lot of fun. Got to spend four hours out there. Um, and, and it's referred to as an island, but it's so big that the island has enormous lakes on them that have enormous

• 1:21:09Speaker 05

  islands that have lakes on them. So you, when you're there, it doesn't register that you're on an island. It's 45 miles long and I think like five miles wide. Um, so it's, it's a cool spot. If you live in that part of the country, uh, you should go check it out and it's, it's not necessarily easy to get to. I booked my ferry tickets in January for a trip in June and I think come February they were sold out. So start planning ahead.

• 1:21:35Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 1:21:36Speaker 05

  If that's something that you want to do.

• 1:21:37Speaker 07

  Sold out for the entire summer?

• 1:21:39Speaker 05

  Yes. It's a short window. They only run those ferries for like three months or something.

• 1:21:43Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  A couple of times a day. So, uh, start planning that now if, if you ever want to go there.

• 1:21:49Speaker 07

  Cool. Yanni, I think we've gotten some spring hunting, uh, stories from you, but Chili or Spencer, Canadian Hunter asks, uh, how was, how were the guys' spring bear and/or turkey seasons?

• 1:22:02Speaker 06

  Uh, mine was nonexistent, at least for back here in Montana, cause I took that New Zealand trip, um, hunted tar down there, uh, which would have been the beginning of, you know, the spring season up here. So for the first two and a half weeks I was out and then got back into work and then took a trip to Alaska for a production shoot with, with Steve and the crew. So I didn't, I got zero days for bear and I had one day for turkey.

• 1:22:31Speaker 05

  I bear hunted four days, did not kill one. Turkey hunted zero days. My spring was really focused on planting some stuff in my yard this year.

• 1:22:41Speaker 07

  You're not a big turkey guy, are you Spencer?

• 1:22:43Speaker 05

  I'm not, no. I travel enough hunting in the fall that when spring comes around, I'm interested in fish and rocks. So I looked for a lot of fish and rocks this spring instead.

• 1:22:55Speaker 07

  Cool. Last call for questions. We're gonna take a couple more if you get them in here, but Noah asks Spencer, will you ever take the opportunity to bow hunt whitetail instead of using a rifle?

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I used to bow hunt a lot. I bow hunted last season. I bow hunted the season before that. I did not kill anything either time. I got away from bow hunting when I moved to Montana and I didn't have like a property that's set up really well to do that. To be successful bow hunting deer, you either like need a place that you're very familiar with, like Yanis has in Wisconsin. Or you're just like a really badass traveling bow hunter who is willing to commit 10 days to going somewhere and setting up stands or doing hanging hunts.

• 1:23:45Speaker 05

  Right now I value just like traveling to different places and hunting and so I could do two rifle deer hunts in that 10 days. In the same amount of time, I could do one whitetail bow hunt. You're also then doing a lot more scouting in the summer. The pendulum will swing back the other way someday. I'm not there right now. Right now, I just really love traveling to new states and rifle hunting whitetails.

• 1:24:12Speaker 04

  He's also gonna be so successful that he's gonna end up having his own whitetail property that he's gonna manage and turn into a big old oak savanna and then he'll be bow hunting a bunch.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  I used to live, you know, 10 miles from where I would bow hunt a lot and I would bow hunt 35 days a year. My biggest deer I ever killed was with a bow. I think my third biggest deer I ever killed was with a bow. It'll happen again someday.

• 1:24:37Speaker 07

  Cool. Uh, I think we're out of questions here, but let's see. Someone had a question for me that I was gonna make a joke about, but it's not worth it. Oh yeah, Hotlines Tribe asked, Phil, what editing software for video do you recommend to get into making contact, content, please, and thank you? I am not the guy to ask this question. I've been doing audio since right out of college. And so, everything that I learned in college around video editing and software, I mean, I'm completely out of touch on everything's moved on and I haven't really done any video editing for 12 years. So honestly, you tell me, please, I'd love to know.

• 1:25:13Speaker 05

  Chat GPT.

• 1:25:14Speaker 07

  Chat, exactly. Just generative AI. I'm a huge proponent of that.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  Well, thank you all for tuning in and listening to us banter along. Tune in again next week when there's gonna be Mark Kenyon, Ryan Callahan, and Spencer Newhart in the host chair, is that right?

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  That's right. Happy 4th of July, everyone.

• 1:25:37Speaker 04

  That's right. Yeah, have a great time celebrating and stay safe. Be smart out there this weekend and we'll catch you next week.

• 1:25:46Speaker 05

  Bye now.

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