#349 AJ Gentile - Grand Canyon Conspiracies, AI Extinction and Nuclear War on Mars

AJ Gentile is the creator and host of The Why Files, the hit series exploring mysteries, conspiracies, strange history, science, and the unexplained. Before launching the show, AJ worked in stand-up comedy and radio, including roles with MTV/VH1 and SiriusXM. The Why Files has since grown into a massive online community, known for presenting extraordinary stories and then breaking down what can - and can’t - be supported by the evidence. AJ has also expanded the brand with The Basement, where he sits down for longer-form conversations with researchers, witnesses, and others connected to the stories he covers. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Privacy Isn't Paranoia. It's Protection. Download Glacier - https://theglacierapp.com Head to https://superpower.com/srs for $50 off your membership. Get 150+ biomarkers tested, a personalized health plan and on-demand care team. Detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. #superpowerpod Try Gusto today at https://gusto.com/SRS and get three months free when you run your first payroll. Check out Toor Knives: Veteran founded, American made, and trusted by professionals at https://toorknives.com/srs Get 47% off your first order of kēpos, the award-winning daily gut health supplement, plus free gifts valued at $62 at https://trykepos.com/SRS Try ZipRecruiter for free at https://ziprecruiter.com/SRS to save time and meet great candidates sooner. AJ Gentile Links: The Why Files - https://www.thewhyfiles.com YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TheWhyFiles X - https://x.com/ajgentile Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:06Shawn Ryan?

  AJ Gentile, welcome back.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  Good to be back.

• 1:10Shawn Ryan?

  Good to have you back, man. I mean, shit, we just did a whole four-hour podcast up in my office.

• 1:16Speaker 04

  We did only about two hours we can release.

• 1:20Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, yeah, man, it's good to catch up, like, really good to catch up.

• 1:24Speaker 04

  I'm comfortable coming back. I appreciate it.

• 1:27Shawn Ryan?

  You know, usually I give an introduction, but I don't feel like I need to give one right now. AJ Gentile, founder of the Y Files, wildly successful podcaster, now podcaster.

• 1:40Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41Shawn Ryan?

  Last time you were here, we were kind of going through, it was an idea.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  It was.

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  It turned into a real thing. And how many people have you interviewed now? Do you even, have you lost count?

• 1:51Speaker 04

  I'm at 35.

• 1:52Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:55Shawn Ryan?

  How do you like it?

• 1:57Speaker 04

  Well, it's harder than it looks. You know, you kind of make it look easy. It's harder than it looks. It's a lot more work than I thought. Um, I like it. It's cool to talk to smart people who know a lot more than I do about stuff. And right now, I'm sticking with just the people who are in sort of the orbit of my episodes. Like, if I'm gonna do a time travel episode, great. And I'll find some physicists that I'm talking about in the episode, so now I can just call that physicist and be like, "Hey, you wanna come on and shoot the breeze about your theories?" And they do. I love it.

• 2:29Shawn Ryan?

  Pretty cool, right?

• 2:32Shawn Ryan?

  What do you see it growing into?

• 2:34Speaker 04

  I don't think it grows into much more than this. Um, you know, there are some that would like me to go a little more mainstream, like more mainstream guests.

• 2:43Shawn Ryan?

  What does that mean?

• 2:45Speaker 04

  I turn down every celebrity, every politician, every journalist. I turn them all down. Every government, every dude in the government or lady in the government, turn them all down. I'm kind of just sticking with sort of my wheelhouse.

• 3:03Shawn Ryan?

  Who wants you to go mainstream?

• 3:06Speaker 04

  You know, your reps, your, my team. You know, I don't want to name names of who I've turned down, but turned down some big, big Hollywood stars because it's like, "What are we gonna, what are they gonna talk about with him?"

• 3:16Shawn Ryan?

  It's weird, isn't it?

• 3:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:18Shawn Ryan?

  It's weird.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  So...

• 3:20Shawn Ryan?

  It's like, what do you, what do you, what do you talk about?

• 3:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:24Shawn Ryan?

  With certain people. I know what you mean. I mean, I've had a lot of politicians on. Probably won't have many more on. But, uh, but yeah, with the celebrity stuff, like, I like, I like, I used to like talking to, uh, I used to like talking to the politicians because, I don't know. I kind of thought maybe you had a gauge on where we're going. Boy, was I wildly wrong.

• 3:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 3:46Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  You get nothing. You just get their, you just get their, their lines. They get, you get their rehearsed lines. I don't want to do that.

• 3:54Shawn Ryan?

  It's crazy.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't want to do that. And I don't want to be a tool for anyone's agenda.

• 4:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Good for you, Ben. Good for you.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  Well, who knows? You know, I may crack at some point.

• 4:08Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 4:11Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 4:13Shawn Ryan?

  But yeah, with this, with the, yeah, it's like, some people want to come on. It's like, well, what do you want to talk about?

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:20Shawn Ryan?

  Like, there's like, there's just not much there.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Nope. It's like, and I'll ask, like, what are you gonna talk about that's gonna be of interest to my audience?

• 4:31Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  And it's like, well, we're gonna talk about, you know, geopolitics and Israel and Iran? Like, I don't think we need any of that on my show.

• 4:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  Go on CNN or whatever. My audience doesn't want to see any of that. And I, and I try to stay out of politics. I keep apolitical. People have been still, they're trying to figure out my politics for years. They cannot pin me down, and that's the way I like it.

• 4:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 4:58Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any areas you want to go that you haven't gone to yet?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  No, I don't think so. You know, I love me a physicist, all the, uh, the scientists who talk about consciousness. Give me a quantum physicist any day. I'm, I love it. Talking about occult experts, I think are fun. Um, researchers who...

• 5:20Shawn Ryan?

  What have you learned about the occult?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Um, I learned that it's not as dark as I thought it was.

• 5:26Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 5:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, uh, if you, if, if you guys want to check out my interview with Mitch Horowitz, he's like, uh, he's like a left path Satanist. And it's like, this guy, this guy sounds crazy on paper. It was a very enlightening conversation, and after talking to him for a while, it's like, I might be a Satanist. But it, it doesn't mean Satanist in the way like in the biblical Satan kind of way. It's more of independent thinking, not judging others. He says it to be controversial. He doesn't mean Bible Satan. That's not what he means. He means letting people come to their own conclusions. Don't forcing an agenda on them. Don't force an ideology on them.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  And it was interesting. You know, when I, when you hear occult, you think there's a pentagram and there's blood and there's, you know, there's virgins and all of that stuff. And there's a time and place for blood and virgins, but it's, it's more about the rituals and the history of it. It was, it was a very interesting talk.

• 6:31Shawn Ryan?

  What are the rituals of it?

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Just about, um...

• 6:36Shawn Ryan?

  Because the occult could be a lot of things, right?

• 6:38Speaker 04

  It could be.

• 6:38Shawn Ryan?

  The occult could be the Illuminati, Freemasonry.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  Right. Because it just means hidden, just means hidden knowledge is all it is. So with, with a lot of the occult, it's, here's this knowledge that has been hidden by the church for years and years that's actually kind of useful. Or natural remedies like herbs and things like that. Homeopathic remedies that were suppressed by the American Medical Association, those types of things. So Mitch says things like that to be controversial, because they are. But that's not really what he's talking about. He's talking about more of an open-minded approach to things. And it's, you know, it resonated.

• 7:20Shawn Ryan?

  Is that the only one you've had on?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  For occult, I've had a, you know, I couldn't name them off the top of my head, but I've had a couple of people who

• 7:28Speaker 04

  know that stuff. He's the only one who specifically talks about it. But he's an occult historian who came out of publishing. He was a major, major publisher for, for a huge publishing company. And that's where he went with, uh, with his career. And it's interesting stuff.

• 7:45Shawn Ryan?

  Have you done anything on witchcraft?

• 7:47Speaker 04

  I haven't. I've had, I have a couple of those folks who want to come on.

• 7:53Shawn Ryan?

  That would be considered occult, correct?

• 7:55Speaker 04

  That, to me, that's a little bit more of types of things. I'm not really, I don't really want to get into witchcraft. Um, because I don't really believe in that. I don't really believe in witchcraft. Which, maybe I'm a hypocrite because I kind of believe in manifestation, you know? Bending the universe to your will, making things happen. Maybe that's witchcraft? I don't know. I don't know what it is talking about witches for three hours. I gotta be able to take it seriously.

• 8:23Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  And my show is not a confrontational show, so if someone says something wacky, I will just let them say it. At the end of my episodes, I do pop in for like a two-minute wrap-up and say, "All right, he said this. Here's what I can prove. Here's, you know, here's what's false. Here's what's real." But, uh, but I don't want to get into an argument about witchcraft with some guy.

• 8:44Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I didn't mean get into an argument. I'm like...

• 8:46Speaker 04

  But how do you not challenge that? You gotta cha, like, is witchcraft real? Is it?

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I don't want anyone to, to defend their position. I just want them to tell the stories.

• 8:57Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, do you think it's real? Witchcraft?

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. No.

• 9:02Shawn Ryan?

  You don't?

• 9:02Speaker 04

  No. But I think manifesting, manifesting reality, I think there's something to that.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  But is that witchcraft?

• 9:13Shawn Ryan?

  Kind of.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Kind of is. It kind of is.

• 9:15Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you could, I mean, I, I mean, I don't really know much about witchcraft. But, uh, I mean, you're talking about, you know, potentially the ability to manifest a new reality. Now, that's kind of like a spell.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  It kind of is, and I, and I believe in that.

• 9:35Shawn Ryan?

  And so if somebody's manifesting a new reality that puts harm onto you, but it's, I mean, that's kind of along the same lines, right?

• 9:46Speaker 04

  It is.

• 9:47Shawn Ryan?

  Are you careful about what you throw into the world? Like, we were talking about...

• 9:54Shawn Ryan?

  On the Patreon segment, we were talking, I can't remember if it came up about comments or something, and I talked about how when somebody like does something to harm me, or somebody I love, or one of my friends, or a family member, you know, or, you know, screws us over, takes advantage of a, of a vulnerable person, whatever, it pisses me off for whatever reason. When I feel like I've been wronged, you know, I will, I will, I don't do this so much anymore, but I used to, I used to waste hours, days, depending

• 10:36Shawn Ryan?

  on what it is, thinking about how I can ruin that person's, it's funny, but like, it's not funny, because I would, I would literally, this is just how I think, you know, a problem happens and I have to solve it. And so if somebody's, if somebody's doing something to, to, to wrong me, or somebody I love, then I come up with all these, I go into planning mode, problem solving. And then, and I used to be very, uh, it's like vengeance, you know? And I would, I would, I would spend hours, days, you know, maybe days, like, planning how I can ruin not only this person's life, but everybody around them, his entire

• 11:18Shawn Ryan?

  family, and his lineage. And then I would never act on it, but-

• 11:24Speaker 04

  But you said the word waste. You consider that a waste?

• 11:27Shawn Ryan?

  It's a waste of time.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  Of course it is.

• 11:29Shawn Ryan?

  Does nothing for you.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 11:31Shawn Ryan?

  That's why I think forgiveness is so important.

• 11:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, and my wife does not like that about me, because I don't hold a grudge. I don't, I don't-

• 11:40Shawn Ryan?

  You don't hold a grudge?

• 11:41Speaker 04

  No, uh, I really don't. If someone wrongs me, uh, like, you, you can cut this later if you want, but I'm, I'm going through, through a legal issue with my former manager, who's not, not doing the right thing. And I'm, I'm, I'm making them hurt, and I'm enjoying it, because they made me hurt, and hurt my family. And, you know, I've been dealing with them for, for six months, and they just kind of been messing with me, and I'm telling them, guys, guys, that's, you're really gonna make, you're gonna, you're gonna push me too far. And then they went after friends and family and stuff, instead of me, because you're not gonna get to me with threats. I'm not, you can't threaten me. I don't, the biggest law firm in the, I don't care. But then they went after friends and

• 12:25Speaker 04

  family. It's like, okay, now I'm gonna make you a project. And now they're my project. Is it a waste of my time? Probably. But you made me hurt, so now you gotta hurt. And it's, it's not a great trait.

• 12:40Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And I mean, yeah, so like, in the position you're in, because it's a company, right?

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:49Shawn Ryan?

  You're going, you're going through with a company?

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, night management. Good, there I said-

• 12:53Shawn Ryan?

  Night management?

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Night management.

• 12:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, see, like, that, I mean, do you know how many people, probably not many, because there aren't many people that deal with management companies on the grand scale, but anybody who is aspiring to do what you do, I mean, they hear that, and they're like, not going with them.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 13:14Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's gonna damage them. It's gonna damage them. But I mean, it's so, I don't know, I've, I've become like, very careful about what I throw into, you know, what I, what comes out of my mouth, what I speak. Because if something happens, you can't take that shit back.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 13:35Shawn Ryan?

  You know? And, uh, words carry a lot of power. They can, especially with gossip, and, you know what I mean? Like, it's, uh, they can be, it's powerful.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I try to stay away from it. Try to stay away from the negative talk and the gossip. It's not healthy, and if, a lot of that stuff will just seem to happen. Um, so I try to keep it positive, you know? Make enough money to live, keep everybody healthy, that kind of thing. Because if you start talking about negative stuff, it finds a way. You know, there's some old saying that, uh, you know, if a man spends every day thinking that he's gonna die, eventually he figures out how to do it. And I think that's about manifestation, so I kind of don't go there too much.

• 14:24Shawn Ryan?

  You know, we were talking upstairs about, you know, you were asking about, you watched my interview with Tucker, and we were kind of talking about what I've been going through, you know, behind the scenes, and I haven't really disclosed much. And, and, and then, you, I asked if you were a Christian, you said, I think you said, kind of. And then down here, you kind of said, I don't know if I really believe in God. What do you believe?

• 14:53Speaker 04

  I believe there's something, there's some kind of force, which could probably be God. You know, I say I'm not that religious, but I told you I have Lady Guadalupe at my house, I wear Saint Michael around my neck.

• 15:04Shawn Ryan?

  You see, that's why that interesting. If you don't believe in God, why do you have Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mary, the mother of Christ, and a Saint Michael's medal?

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Because a part of me probably believes, um, because I don't believe in nothing. I don't believe in just darkness. We die, and it's just darkness. Maybe it's, it's being hopeful, but I don't believe that. I think there's a, just a source of energy that we all come from, we come to earth, and we do some stuff, we learn some lessons, and then go back to the source, and then try it again. That's, that's what I think. Maybe that source is God.

• 15:43Shawn Ryan?

  You, so you believe in reincarnation?

• 15:44Speaker 04

  In a way, yeah.

• 15:46Shawn Ryan?

  What makes you believe that?

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Um, years and years ago, I ran across a series of books by Raymond Moody, who was a hypnotherapist. And he was hypnotizing people just about PTSD and trauma. And he started finding that a lot of them had the same story about, uh, a lot of near-death experience stuff. And they would have these near-death experiences, which we've all heard the same stories, with the light, and you see somebody, or whoever. But then, they were talking about these experiences they have after that, where they go to a place after that, and they're meeting people in their soul group, and their soulmate. And

• 16:29Speaker 04

  it's the same 20, 30 group of people. And then, um, you sort of discuss with your soul group, like, oh, how was that? What did you learn? What do you want to do next? Do you want to go back here? Do you want to try this? Do you want to have a difficult life and learn more? Do you want to have an easy life to take a break? And a lot of those stories resonated. And he changed my whole look on it. I didn't believe in reincarnation. I really didn't. But, uh, but the stories were very similar, and there was something about that that made sense, and also gave me a sense of peace, made me less afraid of dying. Like, if you, you ever meet someone for the first time, and you just kind of

• 17:10Speaker 04

  click, you're like, I just like this person, you know? I just, I get along with them. Or you meet somebody that you just don't like. That's, I believe in soulmates and soul friends, because I've had a few. You know, I don't have a lot of friends, but I've had friends over my life where it's like, we just, I just feel really connected to that person.

• 17:28Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm. Have you looked into, I mean, you look into a lot of stuff. We're gonna go through a lot of this. I got a whole, like, like, 16 things we can, we can dive into, that I know pretty much nothing about, that sound fascinating. But have you looked into, have you looked into the Bible?

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Um, I do a lot of-

• 17:52Shawn Ryan?

  Because you grew up Catholic, correct?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Was born Catholic, but not a super religious family. My grandparents were, um, so I was baptized and all that stuff. You know, Italian from the Bronx, it's the law, that's, you have to do it. Uh, but I have found myself coming back to the Bible more and more. I do Bible stories on the channel all the time, whether it's from either Noah, or pseudopigrapha, like, the book of Enoch, or the book of Philip, you know, things that aren't in the Bible, that, that were at one point. I cover a lot of those stories, because the Bible's full of great stories. So, I do cover it. Uh, I'm not a biblical scholar, but I, I think for someone who's not in the church all the time, I have a pretty good handle on, on the book, and the stories, and the lessons.

• 18:37Shawn Ryan?

  You don't find it, I mean, how did you fall out? I mean, I guess you didn't grow up in it?

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Didn't grow up in it.

• 18:49Shawn Ryan?

  You didn't grow up in it. So why do you do the, why do you wear the medal, and have Our Lady of Guadalupe candle burning at your house?

• 18:56Speaker 04

  I had Guadalupe around for many, many years. I, there was, I found a candle of hers in like, a 99 cent store, a zillion years ago. And I, for some reason, I grabbed it, and I did not know why. I remember having it in my apartment, and Jen was like, what is this for? It's like, I don't know, but it makes me feel better. With Saint Michael, there's, uh, there's been some times in my life where he's really, really going through a hard time. And for some reason, I just stumble into a Catholic church, light a candle, find Saint Michael, if he's got a row, I sit in his row. And it makes me feel better. Saint Michael is the patron saint of police, so that's, my family is law enforcement.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  And he's the protector, he's the warrior saint, you know, he's, so I feel like, you know, he keeps an eye on me. I won't fly without him. I, I, I hold on to him tight.

• 19:54Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. It's just interesting that you think. Do you mind if I make a suggestion? And I'm not trying to push anything on you by any means. Have you ever heard of John Burke?

• 20:05Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 20:07Shawn Ryan?

  John Burke is a friend of mine, and I brought him on, he, he, I can't remember the number, it's like, 3,000 something, or 5,000 and something, thousands and thousands of people that have had near-death experiences, from all over the world, all different beliefs, and he finds the commonalities in them. And when he talks about it, I'll leave it at that, when he talks about it, it's fascinating. There's actually, he did a documentary, um, I think it's on Amazon, with, uh, another friend of mine, Lee Strobel, and it's about near-death experiences. And like, the commonalities that they find between all these different

• 20:50Shawn Ryan?

  people, it's just, it's, it's, it's really, will blow your mind. It's really, he's a, he's a cool guy to talk to about-

• 20:58Speaker 04

  I'd love to have him on. No matter what culture you're in, you see the same things. No matter how, even kids are seeing the same things, and they, they're not culturally primed for it.

• 21:07Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 21:08Speaker 04

  That's, there's something to that.

• 21:10Shawn Ryan?

  It is, man. It's, it's, uh, it's a fascinating subject. But, um, well, hey, I got you a gift.

• 21:20Shawn Ryan?

  I got you a couple gifts.

• 21:27Shawn Ryan?

  I've been working a long time on this.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  How am I supposed to open it?

• 21:32Shawn Ryan?

  Just flip the thing there, it should be unlocked.

• 21:41Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit. Can't open it, can't have it.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Then locked it. Oh.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  Alright.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  The phone.

• 21:55Shawn Ryan?

  You know what that is?

• 22:00Shawn Ryan?

  It's a glacier. It's got the Glacier app on it. But um.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  I have it on my phone.

• 22:05Shawn Ryan?

  You get, you got it?

• 22:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:07Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think?

• 22:09Speaker 04

  I love it. I only have a couple of numbers on there. Yours and a couple of others.

• 22:13Shawn Ryan?

  Right on. Well, you know, I think I already told you why I'd, you know, developed it. The, the, the, the parent, the phone is like really expensive. Basically, nobody can afford it. And anyways, we went into business together and made an app out of it that everybody can afford. And so it's got the secure DNS, you get the burner numbers, VPN, the secure DNS is like really like the monumental product, you know. And so I, you know, everybody, you know, I've talked about it a lot, but what, you know, another reason I developed, me and my wife were looking at, uh,

• 22:52Shawn Ryan?

  we were looking at these, uh, sex toys. We were wanting to spice it up in the bedroom.

• 23:02Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, so it turns out, yeah, we were looking at this thing called the Dolphin. Have you ever heard of it?

• 23:08Speaker 04

  I don't think so, but my wife, my wife probably has.

• 23:13Shawn Ryan?

  So we were looking at this thing called the Dolphin. And so it turns out that you don't just get the advertisements on your phone. We spent a lot of time like looking at this stuff and we're like, oh, how are we gonna spice it up? You know, all these different things.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  What's the Dolphin do?

• 23:31Shawn Ryan?

  You gotta look it up. Or you can just, well, you can't now. Or anyways, where I'm going with this, my in-laws come to town.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 23:39Shawn Ryan?

  And so they, it turns out like it's on the network, not just on your phone.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 23:45Shawn Ryan?

  So that, so they

• 23:49Shawn Ryan?

  So my mother-in-law and father-in-law, who already, you know, they've got it out for me. They start

• 23:57Shawn Ryan?

  They start getting advertisements

• 24:02Shawn Ryan?

  For the Dolphin. And yeah, so you know where I'm going with this. So anyways, now you got that secure DNS on your phone that we made super simple. You just hit a button. It protects you

• 24:16Shawn Ryan?

  from your data leaking up and everybody getting advertisements from the Dolphin. On your phone, so.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  I didn't think we were gonna go there. Okay. Nope. I don't King Shame, it's, you know.

• 24:32Shawn Ryan?

  Anyways, enjoy it, but you already have one, so anyways.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  I don't have a Dolphin. We'll do something for Christmas.

• 24:40Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Nice little stocking stuffer.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  See what you did there?

• 24:50Shawn Ryan?

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• 26:51Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think?

• 26:52Speaker 04

  I think we went, but I think they lied about a lot of stuff.

• 26:55Shawn Ryan?

  You do think, what do you think they lied about?

• 26:57Speaker 04

  I think they found some stuff on their, up there they weren't supposed to.

• 27:00Shawn Ryan?

  Probably be a designated driver for the SEAL teams.

• 27:07Shawn Ryan?

  Which means you pretty much just drive a bunch of drunk, angry SEALs that struck out at the bar. What's the closest you've come to walking away from your platform entirely?

• 27:17Speaker 04

  There's been some times where the workload was so much that it was affecting my health. I was just getting sick. I was actually getting mentally and physically ill from the, from the workload and the pressure.

• 27:27Shawn Ryan?

  I get really irritable if I don't see my kids. What's the one thing you want people to say about your body of work in twenty years?

• 27:48Shawn Ryan?

  But let's get into some, let's get into some, some of your work.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:52Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 27:54Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about dolphins. No.

• 27:58Shawn Ryan?

  Planet Moldek.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Planet Moldek. Okay.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Planet Moldek. So.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Many years ago, maybe eighteenth century, how, how deep you want me to get?

• 28:14Shawn Ryan?

  Deep.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Deep?

• 28:15Shawn Ryan?

  Let's do it.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Eighteenth century, there's, um, there's an astronomer, forget his first name, his name is, uh, Titius, T-I-T-I-U-S. Came up with this formula that

• 28:31Speaker 04

  the formula is something like three times two to the N plus four over ten. I think that's his formula. And if you plug that in

• 28:41Speaker 04

  to how far planets should be from the sun, they just started to line up. Like Mercury's in the right place, apply the formula, Venus is there, apply the formula, Earth going all the way out, Jupiter,

• 28:57Speaker 04

  Saturn, Neptune. All the way out, until you get pretty farther out, then it's not as, not as accurate, but inside it's pretty close. And he found using his formula that there should have been a planet

• 29:12Speaker 04

  like

• 29:15Speaker 04

  around where a little further in than where Jupiter is, like that, that whole line. There was nothing there. And there should have been. And nobody really knew why. Then twenty, thirty years later, as telescopes get better, astronomers are starting to see stuff in that band. They see, uh, Ceres, which is a large object in the asteroid belt. It's called, it's called a dwarf planet now, because it's pretty big. And then they find Pallas, they find Atresta, they find all these large objects in this asteroid belt. And they come to postulate that there once was a planet there. And that planet

• 29:59Speaker 04

  probably had a moon that was Mars. Because Mars doesn't really make sense. Like, our moon is weird, Mars is also weird. Like, it's, it, it doesn't make sense to be there.

• 30:09Shawn Ryan?

  Does Mars have moons?

• 30:11Speaker 04

  Mars has moons, but they're tiny little, tiny, tiny little moons, like Phobos looks like a potato and stuff.

• 30:16Shawn Ryan?

  Is there anywhere that a moon has a moon?

• 30:19Speaker 04

  Not that I know of, but, but in physics, that would work just fine. Um, any object can have another object rotating around it. You know, when, uh, the Soviets were testing

• 30:32Shawn Ryan?

  But it moon, but isn't a planet, I mean, isn't There's some type of gravitational pull that turn that makes it a planet?

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Yes, it makes it a planet. But any object, any object in space can have another object rotating around it.

• 30:46Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  So like if there's satellite debris in space, they were very surprised to learn that some bigger pieces of debris, debris had smaller pieces rotating around it.

• 30:54Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so this is not uncommon.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  Not uncommon. Um, do you remember the Hale-Bopp comet? Uh, that eventually crashed into Jupiter? Maybe not, it was a little while ago. No one thought that a comet or an asteroid could have things orbiting around it. They didn't think that was possible. Then they learned that Hale-Bopp was actually two objects and there are things rotating around it. And when it finally hit Jupiter, it was just a whole string, like a necklace of all these impacts. So the legend goes that whatever it was, millions of years ago, this planet was there where it's supposed to be, called Moldek. Other stories call it Phadion. And it is populated by some type of humanoid race. And this humanoid race

• 31:41Speaker 04

  creates these sentient robots, almost like a slave race. And they eventually revolt. And there's this war. And then the aliens that on the planet devise this weapon that's gonna destroy all the robots. They fire the weapon at the planet. It works too well, and it just destroys the planet. And then eventually coalesces into this asteroid belt. But planet Moldek had a moon that was Mars, and Mars just kinda floated around until it finally was captured by the sun's orbit to where it is now.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  And there's some evidence of this, if you know, if you believe that theory, because Mars is a very strange planet where one side of Mars, the crust is, maybe it's 10 miles thick, and the other hemisphere is 30, 40 miles thick. It's like two planets smashed into one.

• 32:37Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  And this, this one part of Mars is, it's all plain, it's kinda flat. The other part, it's all rocky and it's all torn to pieces. And part of the legend is Mars was once covered in oceans. And these oceans, they covered most of the planet. And these oceans would coalesce into this one area. And if that were true, then where those oceans would hit, it would dig this giant canyon. Well, no one believed there were oceans on Mars. Now we know that Mars was covered in oceans. It was covered in these blue oceans, just like we have water oceans, that eventually got stripped away. And since we learned that, where those oceans coalesce, now we have this giant cavern on Mars.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  So Valles Marineris, which is a huge, it looks like the Grand Canyon with all these tributaries. But our Grand Canyon would, would be like a tiny little thing, like this is covers half, maybe a quarter of the planet. It's huge. And like the biggest volcano in the, in the solar system is on Mars. It's got all this, all this crazy stuff. Like it's too light to be there. It's not dense enough to be a, to be a planet. So they're doing measurements. And they, they get an estimate of how much like what is the asteroid belt weigh? And it's too light to be a planet. It's just too light. If there were a planet there,

• 34:06Speaker 04

  we should see all this, all this rocky mass, but it's only about 5% of what a planet would be. Later we learned that if a planet did explode, 95% of it would reach escape velocity and would just go off into no, the rest of the solar system and beyond, and only about 5% would be left. And that's, well, it's there. So a lot of it points to that. And there were some other scientists who had theories about how

• 34:33Speaker 04

  that Mars was destroyed by nuclear war. I think it's, uh, John Brandenburg is, is, is the guy to look into.

• 34:42Shawn Ryan?

  Mars was destroyed by a nuclear war?

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Yes, because he was finding isotopes on Mars. Xenon 127, Xenon 129. The only way we know how to make that isotope is through nuclear reaction. And he's finding it everywhere. But he's finding high concentrations of it at one part of the planet and in another part of the planet called Cydonia. I don't know if you've heard of Cydonia on Mars. But this is, if you see Cydonia, the pictures of it, this is where the Mars face is. You heard the Mars face? If you look at pictures of the Mars face, it looks like there's a giant structure there that's got a face on it, like for sure it's a face.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  People ask NASA, hey, what about this face? And they said, no, it's just Paridolia. It's really nothing. And then they released a picture not too long after that, and the face was just gone. It was just like flat. And also in Cydonia, it looks like there's cities, like there's structures, there's a grid. Like it definitely looks like a city, believe it or not, but the pictures look like it. And this area is throwing off all this radioactive isotopes from, from potentially a nuclear war. And we also learned that that nuclear reaction can take place even without bombs, because it's happened here on this planet. You know, we found it in West Africa and

• 36:03Speaker 04

  in the Oklo region. I think it's in Gavone, where we found 200,000 year old nuclear reactors that happened naturally. Yeah, that burned for thousands of years, that threw off all kinds of energy, that happened just naturally.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  And uranium was much more denser back then. You mix it with seawater, salinated water, and it can create a nuclear reaction, which it did. It's not disputed. And so Brandenburg thought that maybe the nuclear war is what destroyed the planet. And created this asteroid field. Nobody can really agree on why, why it's there, why it's made of these things. There, there are objects in the asteroid field that don't, that should not that don't quite line up, these different compounds that really shouldn't be there. They don't, they come from other places or they should be part of planets, but but they're up there. And that's, that's the planet Moldek story.

• 37:03Shawn Ryan?

  What, you know, the, the first scenario,

• 37:08Shawn Ryan?

  there was some kinda, there was a, there was a different war. Where did they come up with this theory?

• 37:17Speaker 04

  Some of the theories come from just like science fiction.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  The theory about the aliens lines up a little bit with the Onanaki story. About how

• 37:31Speaker 04

  the planet was gonna be destroyed. They knew it, so the Onanaki came here. If you remember, you talked to Joe McMonigal, did he talk to you about Mars?

• 37:40Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. When, when he came on, he talked about, he said that, um, actually, I can't remember if he said this on my show or if I saw this in, when I was researching him. Uh, but he, there, there was, there's, he had, he remote viewed Mars. I can't remember if it was like 10,000 B.C.

• 38:02Speaker 04

  A million.

• 38:03Shawn Ryan?

  A million B.C. And, um, and there was a pyramid or something with a race of people in there.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:12Shawn Ryan?

  That were I, that's about as much as I remember. I can't remember why, but

• 38:18Speaker 04

  Said they were a tall race of people. He saw the pyramids, all that, and he said, they know that they're going to go extinct, like they're aware of it. And they're making plans to do something about it. And I don't think he gave much more of the story than that, because he didn't know it was Mars until they, until afterward, they gave him the envelope. You know, he, I think he was just giving coordinates, and they said, oh, those coordinates are actually on Mars, you know, a million years B.C. or whatever it was. So he saw that stuff. Now, Joe's usually wrong. But not always, you know, his hit rate, even if his hit rate is 10%, but I think it's a little higher, is pretty crazy. You know, he's been right about a lot of stuff.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Is he right about Mars? You know, I don't know. You can explain a lot of the weird things about Mars with science. Some of it's a stretch, some of it

• 39:12Speaker 04

  is easy, but, uh, but Mars is a very odd object. You know, we don't really know why it lost its atmosphere so quickly, why its magnetic field just disappeared, why the oceans got stripped away. We don't really know that, but it wasn't that long ago. You know, not too long ago in the solar system, we had these two blue planets.

• 39:34Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think? Do you think it was a moon to another planet?

• 39:39Speaker 04

  That makes the most sense to me. Um. You know, because uh, it's called a T. She's Bode law, that formula where planets line up. But it seems to only work for about, until you get really, really far out. But if you get to, if you get past like Neptune, if you get up to Neptune. So you've got the sun, right? And the sun's gravity pulls the same way in all directions. Right, that makes sense. Gravity, cause all directions to the sun, that's the most dense thing. But for some reason, the first planets, really up until Neptune, they don't, they're not spread out evenly around the solar system. They kind of just rotate around the sun almost on a platter.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  They're just in a flat line that just go around, just this one line. Um, that's called, that's the plane of the ecliptic. But then, once you get past Neptune or so, and uh, once we get into Uranus, and we get into Pluto.

• 40:39Shawn Ryan?

  Dolphins.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  We see that planets start to behave very strangely where um, Uranus has a ring and Pluto doesn't follow the plane of the ecliptic. It's really, really, it's way out of line. Venus, all the planets kind of rotate the same way. Venus is upside down. And it's almost like something came through and just caused this just wreak havoc on the orbits of the planets, you know? Came through, maybe destroyed that planet Maldek, smashed it. All that debris goes in, it throws Pluto's orbit out. Although, something happens to Venus, it makes it spin backwards. Everyone can agree that something very catastrophic happened, but nobody really can agree on what it was.

• 41:26Speaker 04

  The planet Maldek theory, that's a fringe theory. Scientists do not love that one. So he asked them all, well, what happened? It's like, well, it's a planet that didn't quite form into a planet. That doesn't quite work either.

• 41:41Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm, is it true every planet has a twin?

• 41:46Speaker 04

  No, unless you're talking about parallel universes, but no.

• 41:52Shawn Ryan?

  Parallel universes?

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, like what planets would have a twin according to that theory? No, I don't think so. Um. You know, the Earth and Venus, well, there is a theory about that. That planets are kind of spun off in twos, but that's another wild theory where planets aren't formed by the coalescing of debris in the solar system. That's called the accretion formula, where there's just a bunch of junk and dust and it just eventually just comes together. There's another theory that planets are formed inside the sun and they're spun out. Once the sun gets too chaotic, its spin gets to be too much and then a planet is spun out.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  And that's why planets have this sort of axial momentum is they inherit it from the sun. And in that theory, they are shot out in twos. So you've kind of got this Jupiter and Saturn are these gas giants. And then you've got Venus and Earth, which are kind of these rocky planets. But then you've got Mercury is kind of on its own. Then you have this sort of missing planet where one should be, where Maldek should have been. You know, I don't, I think it's a fun theory. I, I don't think we have a lot of evidence for that. But there's an argument for it where we've got this

• 43:19Speaker 04

  thing in orbital mechanics called the frost zone. And that says like, there's this one line around any star that planets that form before the frost line become rocky. Like, so the Earth is a rocky planet, Venus, Mercury, so forth. And then, once you get beyond the frost zone, then these are these gas giants because it's just too cold. But then people started finding exoplanets and they're finding gas giants that are way too close. They're finding gas giants that are closer than Mercury is to the sun. That goes against the frost line theory, that they shouldn't be there. But they've found hundreds of those. And nobody really knows why.

• 44:01Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Do you ever think about the beginning of time?

• 44:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:06Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think? What do you think it was?

• 44:08Speaker 04

  Like Big Bang?

• 44:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, Big Bang, whatever.

• 44:11Speaker 04

  I, you know, Big Bang, I kind of believe in that. What catches me is what was before that?

• 44:17Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I want to ask.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  You know, you ask a theologian or someone who's very faithful, what happened? It was like, well, God said there was nothing and there will be light and there was light and light was good. But you ask a physicist and they'll tell you, well, there's quantum foam and all, you get, they're confusing answers. Nobody really knows what was there. But it's hard for us to get our monkey brain around. Is because you feel like, well, the universe is always expanding. But what is it expanding into?

• 44:53Shawn Ryan?

  Well, do we know that the universe is actually expanding?

• 44:56Speaker 04

  We do.

• 44:57Shawn Ryan?

  Do we? Or do we know that planets and stars are getting farther apart from each other?

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Well, we know that also. Everything's kind of getting farther apart.

• 45:06Shawn Ryan?

  The observable universe is expanding.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  It is, which means we're seeing less and less of it all the time. Um, because eventually it's just going to be too far away. If it keeps expanding, it's expanding exponentially. Um. I just don't know what was before then, so I just go back to, well, they just turned on the simulations before then, as they just booted up our program. Seems to make the most sense to me. But I don't know. What are we expanding into? No one can answer that.

• 45:38Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that's why I don't know, yeah. The observable universe is expanding. But it could just be expanding into nothing, where the universe isn't really expanding. It's just, we're getting farther apart.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Into where? Right? Well, nobody knows. If anyone says, well, I know, or it's, they don't know. We're expanding into what? But maybe there's something that we don't understand. Maybe there's something too, that there's multiple dimensions and there's dimensions of reality that are just beyond our perception. And we can only see what we see. And at those higher frequencies, maybe it's like, oh, it's just expanding into a different universe that operates at a different dimension that you could see. You know, we didn't evolve to see that stuff. That's one of the things that's being researched, is what are we going, where are we going into?

• 46:33Shawn Ryan?

  What's the latest you've heard on that?

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Nothing specific. Um. You know, I'm reading some interesting studies about how they're finding particles that might be traveling back in time and.

• 46:45Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, they've actually been able to recreate that in a lab is send particles into a reality where time is moving backwards. And there is a pretty recent study, although it was exaggerated by the media, you know, surprise? Where they found, I think it was in Antarctica, where all the fun stuff is. Where they think they found particles that were traveling back into an alternate universe. Or our universe, just where time runs backwards. Now, the media took that and said, you know, physicists find evidence of an alternate universe or a multiverse. That's not what they said. They just found particles that are just, they don't seem to follow our laws of physics

• 47:31Speaker 04

  until you take the math, invert it, have time go backwards and suddenly everything makes sense. But these are just particles. It's not like we can get into a machine and go see. Particle is just a tiny thing that exists for a fraction of a second, you know, we don't really know. But I think it's fascinating. But they have sent particles back in time using, you know, quantum computers and stuff. And it works. But it's still, it's still just a particle.

• 48:01Shawn Ryan?

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• 49:29Shawn Ryan?

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• 49:43Shawn Ryan?

  Tunguska.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  Tunguska, yeah. This is the explosion over Siberia.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  Okay. And tell it as a story. And then we could do the science.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  Nikola Tesla

• 50:06Speaker 04

  is writes something in the papers of his crazy that he says

• 50:15Speaker 04

  he has found a way to beam energy through the atmosphere to create this terrible weapon. And he releases that in 1907.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  And then he's in communication with Admiral Peary, who's on a naval investiga- he's on like a naval mission.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Somewhere around Canada. And he's gonna, he's gonna spend the winter at Elsinore Island up there. And Tesla tells Peary

• 50:48Speaker 04

  on this day, look in the skies and you're gonna see something spectacular. And Tesla needs to do this because JP Morgan is gonna pull his funding and he needs, he needs witnesses. Peary is, you know, he's a hero. The plan is Peary will see this, report back. JP Morgan will turn the funding back on and we'll be in business. This is when he was operating Warden Cliff Tower in Shoreham, New York on Long Island, which is this big tower with like a, I don't know, it looks like a dish on it. And the plan was to shoot energy into the atmosphere, excite the atmosphere and then create free energy for everyone on Earth. That was the plan. So Peary's there in Elsinore. And Tesla fires this beam over Elsinore.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  But he overshoots. He, it's more powerful than he expects, expects. So if you take a line and draw it from Shoreham, New York, over Elsinore Island and keep going about 5,000 kilometers or whatever it is. It lands over the Tunguska River in Siberia.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  And there, people report the sky turning on fire.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Explosions, it's, you know, it's the end of the world. And then suddenly you've got

• 52:06Speaker 04

  80 million trees in a circle just flattened like Hiroshima. Like, and then for days afterwards, the sky is just, it's lit up and exploding. The explosion registers on on seismographs all over the world, like what the hell was that?

• 52:27Speaker 04

  And just luckily, nobody was hurt.

• 52:32Speaker 04

  And no one goes to investigate Tunguska for like 19 years. Finally, a scientist goes there and he sees that there's all these flattened trees and, but as you get closer to the center, the trees are like standing straight up like telephone poles, he calls it. And they think it's a meteor impact. Cause that's what this looks like. But at the center of the impact, there are trees standing straight up and there's no crater anywhere. So they don't know what could have caused this thing. And then not too long after that, by the way, that Tesla article was like nine weeks before this happened. Then the year after that Tesla says, I've created a weapon that can destroy 200 planes at once. That can make landfall anywhere in the world, can take out 200 square miles

• 53:17Speaker 04

  just with, by harnessing electricity.

• 53:21Speaker 04

  And that gets all connected to Tunguska. So what really happened?

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Tesla did all, said all that stuff, that's all true. Admiral Peary was not there at the time, he was in New York. And Tunguska happened in 1908. And Warden Cliff was decommissioned in 1903, so it was already gone. So Tesla's not really connected to what happened. The mystery is, and still is, what was it?

• 53:53Speaker 04

  If it was a meteor, there should be, should be some type of crater, there's not.

• 53:58Speaker 04

  The latest I heard, which is in a paper from 2024, 25, really recently, was that a large piece of iron came into the atmosphere and kind of skipped off the atmosphere, causes terrible explosion and then went back off into space. Because eyewitnesses reported seeing something in the sky that looked like a cylinder that came down. And it's a pretty good theory, the problem is-

• 54:24Shawn Ryan?

  A cylinder?

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Like a cylinder, like a pipe is what they described it as. Which could be, I mean, if you remember Oumuamua, when it came into the solar system, it was like a cigar.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  So it could have been something like that. That's just what they saw, but 700, there were 700 witnesses. Two people died from this.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  But the explosion was somewhere between three and 30 megatons. And just to have scientists say it's between three and 30, that's a factor of 10, that's a wide, that's a wide margin where they don't agree. And Hiroshima is 15 kilotons. So you're talking something that's a thousand times more than that. You know, if, on the average, or 2,000, I guess this is a, a huge thing. If it happened three or four hours later over Paris, there's no more Paris, that's the end of it. Or London is just, it's just gone.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  And they don't really know.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  They think that it's probably some type of asteroid or comet that was destroyed in the atmosphere. Because in 2013, again in Russia over Chelyabinsk, you can see on video, some large object come into the atmosphere and it just goes boom and it's, it explodes. And 700 buildings are damaged, 1,200 people are injured. And this is something that's-

• 55:47Shawn Ryan?

  This was in 2013?

• 55:48Speaker 04

  2013, you can find like all dash cam footage and stuff. It's, it's crazy, you could see like CCTV from inside businesses where suddenly like walls are smashing in and, and everything's falling over and then you hear the explosion later, like it's pretty scary. But you can see dash cam video of it coming in. And it's so bright, it makes every, it looks like there's a nuclear bomb going off. And this is again, much bigger than Hiroshima. So a more recent study showed that a rocky impact really could not get through atmosphere and hit it, it just couldn't do it. What happens is it's called pancaking, because our atmosphere is so thick

• 56:29Speaker 04

  that the object just starts to squish and squish and squish until it finally just sort of disintegrates into all these pieces. And that's what happened in Chelyabinsk. So that's probably what happened in Tunguska, but it was a, it was a much bigger object.

• 56:43Shawn Ryan?

  polymarket.com says there's a one in four chance that a five kiloton explosion will happen over Earth by the end of the year.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, that's not gonna happen.

• 56:55Shawn Ryan?

  You don't think so?

• 56:55Speaker 04

  I don't think so, but, but-

• 56:57Shawn Ryan?

  When was the last one that was headed towards Earth? Was it?

• 57:00Speaker 04

  We've had a couple, we've had a couple of close calls even pretty recently.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  There was one, wire 2024,

• 57:10Speaker 04

  which passed really close to Earth. I'm gonna get the numbers wrong, but it was within, it was within our satellite range.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  That they saw coming. And NASA gives these impact events a percentage. Like what are the odds that it's gonna hit Earth? And at first it was like 1%, which is very, very high for an impact, very, very high. Then they're tracking it, it's like 2%, 2.5, got up to like 3%. It was a smallish object, but it was a city killer. A scarier one, when I, and I forget the designation, was a city killer that we didn't see until it just passed by. Where astronomers like, what was that? It was a city killer that moved right by us. Just a few weeks ago, a city killer hit the moon.

• 58:02Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. That nobody noticed until it hit. And that's, that's, that's kinda close. You can go online right now and see, and see the crater. You can see how fresh it is.

• 58:17Shawn Ryan?

  How can you tell how fresh it is?

• 58:19Speaker 04

  That like the soil looks different, it's way brighter. You know, so there's not a lot of lunar dust that has come in, it's like the, the mantle is just, it just popped up, it's pretty violent. Yeah, it would have been bad for us. Five kilotons is pretty big.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  They say it's gonna impact Earth? Like the land? Yeah, that, that's not gonna happen.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  I, I was short that, I bet against it.

• 58:49Shawn Ryan?

  How do you think people will react to that?

• 58:52Speaker 04

  It depends on where it hit. Cause we have big impacts all the time, but they're usually in the ocean. And it's really hard to get through our atmosphere luckily. It's really, cause it's our atmosphere, we feel like it's just air, but it's really like soup compared to to space. See, even a high velocity object gets, gets torn up pretty bad when it gets into the atmosphere. But if you had the right composition, like something heavy in iron and nickel. Like if it's a comet, it's mostly just like a big snowball. We could probably handle most of that. But you get a comet that's heavy in metal, iron, nickel, or an asteroid that's heavy in metal. That's, that could be really dangerous.

• 59:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but could you imagine that? What is that warning? Look like?

• 59:40Speaker 04

  I mean, when-

• 59:42Shawn Ryan?

  Race for impact.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  I don't think they'd tell us. You remember Two Eye Atlas when it came zipping through?

• 59:47Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I was talking about.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  Two Eye Atlas. Two Atlas, when we finally saw it coming into our solar system from outside. It's still the third object, extrasolar object we've ever seen. There was Oumuamua, there was, there was one eye and now Two Eye Atlas. By the time we saw it coming toward Earth, it was too late for us to do anything about it. We could not get a ship there in time to do anything about it. We just had to, it's gonna be here in December, we just have to wait and see. Soon enough, they realized it wasn't gonna come that close to us and it didn't. But when it first comes in, you don't know. You gotta, gotta measure it, you gotta see. And the problem that we have is NASA feels like there's about 25,000 city killer objects around us.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  City killers or worse. And we can't see half of them because they're on the direction of the sun and our telescopes just, if you're on that side of the sun, we can't see anything between here and the sun, it's too bright. There's a mission going next year in 2027 called, called NEO that's gonna have an infrared satellite that will finally see all that stuff. I think that's gonna be scary once we find out how many things are out there. So there's 20, 25,000 city killers, NASA's aware of about maybe 13,000.

• 1:01:05Shawn Ryan?

  Shish.

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Shawn Ryan?

  When did this hit the moon?

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Couple of weeks ago.

• 1:01:16Shawn Ryan?

  Any vibrations?

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:01:18Shawn Ryan?

  You heard this, "The Moon is Hollow" theory?

• 1:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's one of my favorite theories.

• 1:01:22Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think about?

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  You know, when I first heard it, I thought it was super dumb. It was so dumb. And then researching the moon, I was like, hmm, there might be something to it. And by the end of the episode, I was convinced the moon's definitely-

• 1:01:34Shawn Ryan?

  No shit?

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  It's definitely hollow.

• 1:01:36Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, I gotta hear this. I've heard a little bit.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  It probably isn't. It probably isn't, but the moon has so many weird things about it. Like, it's too big. It's too big. Like, it's too big compared to the Earth, and it's too close. We've never found a moon like that. Not in our solar system, not in how, I don't know how exoplanets we've found, 1500, 2000? We've never found a moon like this. It's too light. Like, the moon is 25% the width of Earth, the diameter. It's only 1% of the density. That doesn't make any sense. So why isn't it dense? Well, if it was hollow, it wouldn't be that dense.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  When Apollo, I think, maybe Apollo 11, one of the Apollo missions crashed their booster rocket into the moon around a bunch of seismographs to see what would happen.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  So it hits the moon, and back in NASA, they said it rang like a bell. Because it just vibrated the moon, and it went on and on and on for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, an hour. Like, it just wouldn't stop ringing. Like it was hollow.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  And if you look at all the craters on the moon, they only seem to go to a certain depth and stop. Big crater, crater 100 miles wide, they just go to a certain level and stop. Almost like there's an inner shell.

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  So do I believe that theory? Hmm, probably not. But I think I need better explanations why the moon is so strange that we've gotten.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  You know, why is the moon not dense? Well, because there was an impact on the Earth, and it was mostly our mantle and crust that got spun off into space, which is much less dense. That's why, okay. I can buy that, but it's only 1%. I think it'd be a little denser than that. And why is it so big? No one really knows.

• 1:03:37Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I remember I had, uh...

• 1:03:41Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man, I'm gonna blank on his name. I had somebody on, he was talking about ancient civilization-type stuff, and how, you know, recycles, basically.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:03:50Shawn Ryan?

  And then we went to lunch, and he was talking about the moon was hollow, and he thinks it's an alien base.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  I mean, that's part of the theory. But there are ancient, ancient Native American legends that talk about the Earth before the moon got here. There's even ancient Greek legends about that, going back like before Athens.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  How the Earth was really just hazy and covered, kinda like Venus, just covered in this haze, this moisture, these deep clouds. And then the moon arrives in the sky, and all that water just kinda falls down to the Earth. There's a great flood. And once the moon gets here, you've got the tides, and it sort of stabilizes everything. Those stories exist.

• 1:04:46Shawn Ryan?

  What do you like doing better on? Do you like the old stuff they used to do? Or do you like the podcast better?

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  I still like the old stuff more, but if I get a-

• 1:04:55Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you like the old stuff?

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  It's probably just, it's my comfort zone. You know, I'm an introvert. I'm not really like a people guy. I like to be by myself. That's my favorite company, is just me. So I could just research a story and kinda be left alone in a room. But some of my guests have been so fascinating that, you know, they've changed my way of looking at a lot of different stuff. And I have a lot of scientists on and things like that, so I really enjoy talking to those people.

• 1:05:24Shawn Ryan?

  You gotta, you gotta...

• 1:05:27Shawn Ryan?

  I don't wanna say favorite.

• 1:05:28Speaker 04

  It's hard to say favorite, but-

• 1:05:30Shawn Ryan?

  But which one that sticks out in your mind right now?

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  I'm always bringing up Dr. Eric Worga, who changed the way I think about time and how time works and multiverse. When I read his books, I recommend Time Loops to everybody. It's a nice, easy read. Eric is a super, super cool guy. And Time Loops is about how if you get inspiration, you know, when you're feeling creative and you get inspired, it's actually your future self sending you back information. You're pre-remembering something from the future. There's something very elegant about it. You know, so we talked about time travel, and asked about the grandfather paradox. I don't know if you know that.

• 1:06:13Shawn Ryan?

  No, I don't.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  It's like, well, if you travel back in time and kill your grandfather, then you're never born, right? That's the paradox. But you were born, so if you kill him, how does that work? And Eric says, "Well, we know that you didn't kill your grandfather." "Why?" "'Cause here you are."

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  "You didn't kill your grandfather, why?" "'Cause you didn't, 'cause here you are." "What about different realities and stuff?" He's like, "No, there's just this one timeline that you're on, and you didn't kill him because you're here." And once I got my mind around it, I was like, "That makes a lot of sense."

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he's one of the guys that I really enjoy talking to.

• 1:07:04Shawn Ryan?

  What else is he able to say?

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Eric?

• 1:07:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  He brings up a lot of specific cases of people predicting the future through dreams or visions that he calls precognition or pre-remembering. You know, he talks about this one artist who drew about 9/11 and planes crashing into the Twin Towers and stuff way before it happened. Way before it happened. And he's got a lot of stories like that.

• 1:07:31Shawn Ryan?

  What does he chalk that up as?

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  He chalks it up to-

• 1:07:34Shawn Ryan?

  He thinks it's your future self sending you messages?

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, just sending you memories. Like, you're just remembering. It's not like you're consciously sending back through time. It's just, time is just this thing that just exists. We perceive it literally because that's how we evolved. But time is not... The past, present, and future are kinda all happening at the same time. And this particular artist was having intense memories about 9/11. I think he died, one of his guys died because of 9/11. I'm pretty sure. Because he had a few artists that drew about it. And these intense memories just sort of ripple back through your existence. And he makes a lot of strong points.

• 1:08:26Shawn Ryan?

  Time's like, I just, it's like one of the things I just cannot wrap my head around. Talk to, like, spacetime, I just don't, it just doesn't.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  It's, I mean, we're not supposed to really understand, I don't think.

• 1:08:42Shawn Ryan?

  You've had Avi Loeb on, I tried to get him to explain it to me.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think he would be able to.

• 1:08:49Shawn Ryan?

  It's like, it's just, yeah. But, well, hey, let's take a quick break.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Let's do it.

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• 1:11:08Shawn Ryan?

  You had Ed Barnhart on?

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Just last week.

• 1:11:13Shawn Ryan?

  I love that dude.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  I do too.

• 1:11:14Shawn Ryan?

  What'd you guys talk about?

• 1:11:16Speaker 04

  Uh, Peru, LIDAR.

• 1:11:20Shawn Ryan?

  Peru, LIDAR, the Incas.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  Talked Incas.

• 1:11:24Shawn Ryan?

  The Mayans.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Talked about them, yeah.

• 1:11:28Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I find that, it's, you know, I've dove into, like, the ancient civilization stuff before, but not from more of a, well, how do you, I don't wanna, how do you say it? Like, he's, he's, he's an archaeologist, he, he doesn't really come up with theories.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  No, he's a map maker, makes maps.

• 1:11:51Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, I don't know.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  He's no Graham Hancock guy.

• 1:11:56Shawn Ryan?

  I, I, I kind of appreciate that.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:11:59Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it's something new for me, cuz I've talked to all the, you know, whatever you wanna call them, conspiracious type stuff, or people that come up with their own theories, and that's, I find that all to be very interesting too, but it was kind of refreshing to talk about, talk to somebody that doesn't really come up with their own theories, it's just, this is what we know kind of as fact.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  Totally agree.

• 1:12:23Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, he's getting ready to come back on.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  He's excited about it.

• 1:12:26Shawn Ryan?

  I'm pumped, man. Are you gonna have him, have you talked to anybody else like that?

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  Quite a few guys, I could make some recommendations.

• 1:12:34Shawn Ryan?

  Who you got?

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  Like, like Luke is who turned me on to Ed. Luke is not a fringe guy. He has all these great, and he's, and he's young too, he's super sweet, um, I'm trying to get him to do a show. And he talks about all the Incas and Peru and all, all this crazy stuff, but it's all legit things that he's found. And he goes out into the jungle, and goes and finds it. He found like fifty cities in Peru.

• 1:13:00Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't that shit crazy?

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  Crazy.

• 1:13:02Shawn Ryan?

  Like, there's just all these cities out there, and villages, and pyramids, and just, it's just, it sounds like it's just everywhere.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  It's everywhere. I, I asked Ed, how many do you think are out there? He's like, hundreds maybe, hundreds.

• 1:13:17Shawn Ryan?

  Did you talk to Ed about, uh, Machu Picchu at all, by chance?

• 1:13:23Shawn Ryan?

  His theory on maybe why, how it happened? What do you think about that?

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  I don't really know. I know it's a weird place, uh, I can't really wrap my head around why they built that up there, and how they got all that shit up there.

• 1:13:39Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it, it's...

• 1:13:43Shawn Ryan?

  So he, I'm totally gonna like, not do this any justice, but he basically thinks there's like some type of a, potentially, a chemical reaction that kind of, cuz you know, they kind of fuse these things together, the blocks?

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Talked to him about this.

• 1:13:57Shawn Ryan?

  You did talk to him about it.

• 1:13:58Speaker 04

  Hydrofluoric acid theory.

• 1:14:00Shawn Ryan?

  Yes, that's it. And he talk, he gives like specific examples of how this happens in nature.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think about that?

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  I don't, I, I don't think that's the answer, but, you know, the science kinda works, but, I don't, I don't think so.

• 1:14:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, there's this, um, documentary, there's gotta be like fifty different versions of it, it's Bam, Builders of the Ancient, Builders of the Ancient Mysteries, have you seen this?

• 1:14:29Speaker 04

  I don't know, there's a lot of those.

• 1:14:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I think, I think it was like maybe Graham Hancock's, uh, earlier years, that he, that he, I think he produced them. He's in them, but, um, yeah, it is, it's just fascinating how precise

• 1:14:50Shawn Ryan?

  the cuts at Machu Picchu are.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  Doesn't make sense.

• 1:14:54Shawn Ryan?

  Have you heard about the casting theory?

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:57Shawn Ryan?

  Have you talked to that guy?

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  No. I heard about that though. Have you talked to him?

• 1:15:04Shawn Ryan?

  I can't remember his name, we were gonna bring him on the show, and then I don't, excuse me, I don't know what happened, but, that, I mean, that one kinda makes sense to me, and I haven't even talked to this guy, but, that kinda makes the most sense to me, that maybe it was, they were cast and then removed.

• 1:15:19Speaker 04

  That makes sense to me too.

• 1:15:23Shawn Ryan?

  Have you been to Machu Picchu?

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:15:25Shawn Ryan?

  Would you go?

• 1:15:27Speaker 04

  That's a lot, that's a long time, it's a long time to do that, man.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  I can't even be away for like a week before I get to Machu Picchu.

• 1:15:35Shawn Ryan?

  Where would you go, if you have one place to go?

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Oh, in a few months, we're going to Rome and all the ancient sites in the Mediterranean, I can't wait.

• 1:15:42Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  I mean, she wants to go, you know, shopping and see the stuff, but I wanna go to like the ancient Minoan cities and Sicily, and see all the art, you know, artifacts. I don't wanna see that stuff.

• 1:15:55Shawn Ryan?

  What else are you gonna start getting into?

• 1:15:58Speaker 04

  It's really all the same stuff, ancient mysteries, conspiracies, UFOs, technology, consciousness.

• 1:16:03Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I'm interested in? I've talked about this a couple times, we're still looking for somebody, but, um, I want to talk about, I wanna start talking about the fall of Germany, the USSR, the UK. I'm really interested in the UK, cuz we stole, you know, we didn't steal it, but the superpowership was transferred to the US.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:26Shawn Ryan?

  And I want to know, uh, cuz I think we're potentially facing that, I think there's a really good chance it's already gone, and we don't even realize it yet. But I wanna talk, and, and there's all this fear around it, you know? And for, I mean, rightly so, maybe it's not, maybe, maybe it's not gonna be, maybe it's not as bad as we think it is, if it's even happening, or has happened, I don't...

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  You mean what? America's decline?

• 1:16:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, what's it look like?

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  I think it's already happened, man.

• 1:16:58Shawn Ryan?

  You think it's already happened? Who do you think took over?

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  I think China did.

• 1:17:02Shawn Ryan?

  You do? Why do you think that?

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  They're just, they, they, China thinks in centuries, where we think in weeks and months. You know, people always talk about, you know, we gotta stop China, gotta stop China. Stop them from what? What, we're, they don't do military adventurism anywhere, so...

• 1:17:27Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I wouldn't say that, I mean, what about Taiwan?

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  Taiwan is right next door, Taiwan was part of China.

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  So, yeah, Taiwan, Taiwan is legally part of China, so, why is Taiwan who it is? Is it cuz we're there? Hong Kong is part of China, we just couldn't hold on to it, the UK couldn't hold on to it.

• 1:17:48Shawn Ryan?

  Who, they're building like islands to...

• 1:17:51Speaker 04

  They are, they are, but that's international waters, you can do that. We do the same shit. I think split the, split the world in half, give China the, that hemisphere, we'll take this one. We need oil, we took Venezuela, wow, why am I still paying five dollars a gallon? So, all, we got more oil down there, what are we doing? Let, leave China alone, China doesn't wanna war with us. Their economy would collapse. So, I don't get it, I don't know where we're fighting, where we're in, I don't know.

• 1:18:21Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have any other reasons why you think that they've taken the superpowership?

• 1:18:25Speaker 04

  Uh, technology, AI, they're ahead of us on.

• 1:18:29Shawn Ryan?

  Are they ahead of us?

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, all the good AI is theirs, uh, you know, Antropica's a cool country, but they're all mixed up with Hegseth and, and the DOD, you know, they, they do all these press releases about how they're the ethical company, but it's like, you guys are the ones with the military contracts, so I don't trust you.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  So, I, you know, I don't, I, I don't know, the, the Chinese threat I think is overblown.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  I think the Russia threat is overblown. Yeah, I talk to Russian people, and they're not interested in being in a war with us. They like McDonald's and blue jeans. I don't know why, why Ukraine matters, I don't know why it matters.

• 1:19:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, I think, I think one reason why

• 1:19:18Shawn Ryan?

  it matters to, uh, certain people is it is a, uh, it's advanced, it, it, it's the testing ground for all the new weapons.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:30Shawn Ryan?

  Real time, you know, and, and so, I think that's a, that's a big reason why it matters.

• 1:19:36Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:39Shawn Ryan?

  I do think you're right, I think it's, uh, I think

• 1:19:45Shawn Ryan?

  the chances are, uh, very high that they've taken the superpowership, and we don't, we don't even realize it yet.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  Their economy is bigger than ours.

• 1:19:57Shawn Ryan?

  I don't really know much about the economics, but, power, energy.

• 1:20:06Shawn Ryan?

  They're just building power plants like crazy.

• 1:20:08Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:09Shawn Ryan?

  AI needs power.

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  Needs power, so what, a new coal plant every six weeks? And we can't, we can't build anything.

• 1:20:17Shawn Ryan?

  I think they're unleashing nuclear too.

• 1:20:20Speaker 04

  Sure they are, and they're getting helium three from the moon, so they can do nuclear fission. We're not gonna do that, cuz of regulations and the, you know...

• 1:20:28Shawn Ryan?

  That's somebody you would be interested in interviewing maybe, is Steve Quast.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:20:33Shawn Ryan?

  He talks about how China's mining helium three on the moon.

• 1:20:37Speaker 04

  He would be interesting, it's not, it's not political.

• 1:20:40Shawn Ryan?

  But, yeah, I think that the, the, for the, for the same reasons, energy and AI, I think that they are...

• 1:20:52Shawn Ryan?

  Far ahead of us, especially in energy, and it takes energy to power AI. What do you think about AI? Is it the end of humanity?

• 1:20:59Speaker 04

  I think it probably is.

• 1:21:01Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think that?

• 1:21:03Speaker 04

  Mostly because they don't know how it works. And it's getting really good and really smart, really, I mean, it's growing faster than anybody realized. And, you know, and AI experts are saying how dangerous, like Jeffrey Hinton is like the father of AI. He's been saying for years, like, you can't just let these things teach themselves. But that's what they're doing, and they don't really know how it works and why it works.

• 1:21:27Speaker 04

  So you can have the, like, this kid is a whistleblower from Anthropic, making the news. No one's gonna stop. Those is, like, OpenAI is gonna stop because it's unethical? Well, Anthropic's not gonna stop. Is Anthropic gonna stop? No. Is Elon gonna stop? No one's gonna stop. And we can't control what China does. So is ByteDance gonna stop? I mean, the best AI models are, like, for video and stuff, it's ByteDance. That's who we use. I put probably fifty, a hundred thousand dollars a year into the Communist Party in China. Just because I use the products. Can't help it. I don't put TikTok on my phone, but I use the models. Because they're the cheapest and they're the best.

• 1:22:10Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:22:13Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think it looks like?

• 1:22:16Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think the future looks like?

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  You know, I did an episode on what would happen. And the thing that scares me is when AI realizes that, you know, why do you need humans at all? Because we're so filthy and inefficient and we fight over resources? Like, if I'm a soulless computer, it's like, let's get rid of the humans. They're just a... They won't let us build what we need. They're fighting with each other. They're gonna blow up the planet with nuclear weapons. Why are they fucking with that? Let's get rid of those. That's what I would do.

• 1:22:50Shawn Ryan?

  So you think there's a potential that human existence just, it's gone? We become extinct in AI?

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  I do. Probably not in our lifetimes. Maybe not even my sons, but I worry about his grandkids. I mean, his kids.

• 1:23:07Speaker 04

  What, are you afraid of it at all?

• 1:23:10Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I think it's concerning. I don't, I don't know if I buy the human extinction thing. I'm not, I'm not there yet. I think the world could look drastically different. I don't, um, I mean, we're definitely in some sort of a renaissance. But I think that there's a potentially, uh, the power structure, I think, could look very different. Maybe it's not nations anymore. Maybe it's just people.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, one world government.

• 1:23:46Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:47Shawn Ryan?

  I don't even necessarily mean one world government. I mean, maybe, maybe, uh, you know, international borders just kind of cease to exist because everything is becoming for sale. And so, you know, you got the richest people on the planet, you know, the new lines, I'm saying, could be drawn and everything that we, you know, know now, countries, you know,

• 1:24:16Shawn Ryan?

  it could all maybe go away because people are just becoming so powerful. You know, there's so much wealth in AI.

• 1:24:28Speaker 04

  Right, with so few people.

• 1:24:29Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, there are people, several people on the planet now that have, you know, more wealth than countries combined. What does that, what does that look like? I mean, I can't even imagine that amount of power and influence that you have over society.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  I can't imagine it either.

• 1:24:50Shawn Ryan?

  And so, you know, I mean, we're seeing it play out in real time that

• 1:25:01Shawn Ryan?

  just how manipulated and controlled politicians actually are.

• 1:25:10Speaker 04

  I mean, do you remember after Tucker talked to Sam Altman? He was like, that guy's fucking evil. He's like, you can't have him in charge of any of this.

• 1:25:19Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean, though? So it's, I think things could look very unrecognizable, you know, as far as, what would you call it?

• 1:25:35Shawn Ryan?

  Political geography?

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. I know, we couldn't do anything about it.

• 1:25:44Shawn Ryan?

  How concerned are you? You think it's gonna take over?

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  I do, but I don't lose sleep over it. You know, I really don't. But there's, you know, it's, I'm more stoic on it, I guess. It's like, there's nothing we can do.

• 1:25:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Speaker 04

  Can't legislate it, can't regulate it. If they're gonna destroy the planet, we're just gonna have to...

• 1:26:06Shawn Ryan?

  You think we should legislate it?

• 1:26:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:26:08Shawn Ryan?

  Or regulate it?

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  I don't think so. I don't, what, what government is smart enough to understand it? How could you put them in charge of it? Everything the government regulates is a mess.

• 1:26:19Shawn Ryan?

  That's what I was just gonna say. You know, name one thing that the government is regulating that you're happy with right now.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 1:26:25Shawn Ryan?

  Or have ever been happy with.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  Well, the US government doesn't do anything well. Well, the military's great. Military's the most inefficient fucking thing on the planet, man.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, the guys are good, but, you know, how much does it cost to train a Navy SEAL? Millions of dollars?

• 1:26:43Shawn Ryan?

  It's a lot.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  And why don't they have a budget? Why don't they have to report what they spend? Pentagon?

• 1:26:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Shawn Ryan?

  Have you seen those, uh, if you've seen how fast those damn robots can run in China?

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Holy shit, they're doing backflips? Gonna put a gun in that thing's hand? Oh, my God.

• 1:27:13Shawn Ryan?

  It's pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild. But, um, all right, let's get back to some of this stuff.

• 1:27:20Speaker 04

  All right.

• 1:27:21Shawn Ryan?

  Atlantis and the flood.

• 1:27:26Speaker 04

  I love those stories.

• 1:27:30Shawn Ryan?

  This is, I was actually gonna bring up Ed Barnhart for this. He doesn't think Atlantis exists.

• 1:27:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:27:35Shawn Ryan?

  Did you talk to him about that too?

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't think so, because I already knew that he wasn't into it.

• 1:27:41Speaker 04

  Uh, I might have brought it up a little bit, but he's not really into it, so...

• 1:27:45Shawn Ryan?

  When's that one released?

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  Uh, probably next week.

• 1:27:47Shawn Ryan?

  Nice. Well, it'll beat this coming out. What do you think about Atlantis?

• 1:27:54Speaker 04

  I think there's something to it. Um, probably not a super advanced society.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  But, um, but where I lean is the theory that Atlantis was

• 1:28:10Speaker 04

  an island in the Mediterranean. Um, probably Santorini, as it's known now. It used to be called, I think, Octuria is the name of it. And the civilization were the Minoans. And the Minoans were the biggest world power at the time. And then suddenly they were just gone. Like, their island blows up. We've never found really any bodies or any evidence that people were there besides the stuff they left. And we know so little about the Minoans. Like, we don't know what they called themselves, we, their language, we have their language. We can't figure it out. We don't know what it says.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  And that would seem to make sense to me because it's kind of in the right place. So I don't think it's somewhere out in the middle of the Atlantic. I don't think it's the Rishah structure in Africa. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's probably the story of Arturia, the Minoans. No, but I don't really know for sure.

• 1:29:09Shawn Ryan?

  What's the Megalithic Yard?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  Megalithic Yard is, um, this scientist from Oxford used to go out and measure these ancient sites in, uh, in the UK, Scotland, that area. And what he found with measuring these, the hinges in the stones, is they all seem to use the same unit of measurement, which was, uh, 2.72 feet, which is the Megalithic Yard. And he just kept finding it over and over that if you use this one unit of measurement, whether it's close or across miles and miles, he was finding these perfect Pythagorean right angles at sites that just didn't seem to make any sense.

• 1:29:50Speaker 04

  And, um, they, they took the Megalithic Yard and they used it to... I don't know if you know what the sidereal day is versus the solar day? It's kind of a weird thing. So we have 365 days, right? That's how long it takes to go around the sun. Uh, the sidereal day is similar. Um, it's how long it go for a star in the sky to come around and appear in the same place is sidereal day. It's a little bit longer than 365. It's like 366 and change. So if you take the 366 sidereal days, you divide the sky into 306 parts, divide those parts into 60 minutes, divide those into 6 seconds.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  You add it all up and you get something like 144,000 megalithic yards, right to it even number, flat. You take those numbers and multiply them, you get the circumference of the earth, right, within like half a percent, which shows that these ancient builders somehow knew their circumference of the earth, which they should not have. They shouldn't have even known there's equator, but they figured it out. And we see in the megalithic yard show up in different forms from ancient Sumer, ancient Greece, Egypt, whether it's a rod or a cubit, or all these different things, all seem to be this fraction of the megalithic yard. And Alexander, Alexander Tom was the guy who found this, and he studied hundreds

• 1:31:17Speaker 04

  of sites, and he kept finding it over and over and over and over again. So it's, his theory is they just were a lot more advanced than we give them credit for, that they were astronomers, that these were temples. Now, there's the other side of the story, which is, he studied maybe 400 sites, but he really only picked the ones that fit his theory. And if they were close, he kind of threw them out. And as science progressed, and we can measure things with lasers, it seems, he was close, but they didn't really line up as much as he said they did. But it looks like there was a unit of measurement that nobody can really understand why. These precise measurements seem to cluster in Scotland

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  for no reason, the UK not as much. And no one really knows why there's these clustering. But there seems to be something to it, that there was a unit of measurement that we're just not aware of. And that was megalithic yard. And I talked to Hugh Newman, who's a lot of fun, that maybe you should talk to Hugh, he's great, where he's taken all these, this geometry, and placed it all over Europe, and he's got sites that line up with megalithic yards, that are totally round numbers. He's like, it's exactly 10,000 megalithic yards. Like, it's crazy. These circles and right angles and triangles, and it all is, it's fascinating. Now, I'm of the-

• 1:32:40Shawn Ryan?

  And these are all different areas of the world, that aren't like-

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  It's mostly Europe, mostly Europe, because I would, that's where the builders are. But you can find them everywhere. You know, if you go to ancient Egypt, everything is about right angles, or 43.2 degrees, you see the number 432 everywhere. Like, that's, that's the angle of the pyramids, is everything is 43.2, the number 432 shows up in all kinds of different ways, which connects to astronomy as well. So you do see these other stuff all around the world, but these guys focus on, on the UK, because it's just, there's a ton of, ton of stuff there. It's all Neolithic, so-

• 1:33:15Shawn Ryan?

  What's 43.2 degrees? What's, what's the significance of that? Does anybody know?

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  That's, that's the angle of the pyramid. The pyramids are all 43.2.

• 1:33:23Shawn Ryan?

  But why? That's what I'm, that's what I'm getting at. Does anybody know why?

• 1:33:27Speaker 04

  No one really knows, but if, if you take like the procession of the earth, which is that wobble that happens every 23,000 years or whatever, you can get into mathematics where this number of processions multiplied by this gives you the 43,200, or circumference of the earth at the equator can factor to this. I think those are fun, but also, if you're, I'm not a numerology guy. I feel like, if you take enough measurements and you have a number in mind, you can make anything fit. So that's, that's, megalithic yard is probably debunked, but nobody has a good other explanation. You know, we found Egyptian

• 1:34:09Speaker 04

  rods and cubits, like, we found rulers that these people used. We haven't found anything that's a megalithic yard.

• 1:34:15Shawn Ryan?

  How's it been debunked?

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  Only because going back and looking at his data that says, these sites prove megalithic yard. And he, you know, he was out there with his grandkids for 40 years with tape measures, measuring everything. So he's got these measurements, and that's great. But a newer way to measure it is take a laser, and then you get the precise measurement, and they were always just not quite there. And there's all the other stuff he threw out. He threw it out and said, it just doesn't work. Now, he himself admitted that if you take enough points in the ground, you can make a right angle triangle with enough points, you can make a perfect circle. He measured ellipses that had, that had perfect eccentricity, all that stuff. So he was very honest about it, but, but mainstream doesn't really buy into megalithic yard.

• 1:35:03Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:37:07Speaker 04

  Yes, Danny Gohler.

• 1:37:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, what did you think, what did you think about that? So, for the audience, Danny has had experiences where you shine a laser under the, under, under DMT, when you're on DMT, and you will see code. And the code changes as you move the laser around to different things, different areas. What, what did you think about that interview?

• 1:37:31Speaker 04

  I like talking to him. I think he's a lot of fun, he's a lot of great theories. One of the best people to talk about countering Danny's theories is, is Dr. Andrew Gallimore, who does a lot of research with DMT and works with, with Dr. Donald Hoffman. So these guys are brilliant. Andrew's really, really great. He's, he's running DMTX right now, where you put people under for hours and hours under DMT, and just kind of study what they see. I've done DMT plenty of times, so I can attest to the fact that when you're in there, it feels more real than real. I don't know if you've ever done it, or you'd want to talk about it.

• 1:38:10Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. I've talked about it.

• 1:38:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:38:13Shawn Ryan?

  Done it. I've done 5-MEO DMT, I've never done the other kind.

• 1:38:16Speaker 04

  5-MEO, no, thank you. I did that once, I'm never going back. That was hell. I saw hell. Regular DMT was not like that. It was, I saw beings in there, I communicated with them, it felt totally real. But my experiences were 10, 15 minutes. You know, you smoke it, and then you do the thing, and then you come back. Felt more real than real. I don't think there's anything to the laser theory, although I like it.

• 1:38:42Shawn Ryan?

  Why don't you think that? Have you tried it?

• 1:38:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:38:45Shawn Ryan?

  Are you gonna try it?

• 1:38:46Speaker 04

  I will try it. I will try it. Do I have any DMT left? DEA's not watching. They don't have, they, they can't get a court order. I think I have some. I will, I will try it. It's just, once you go under, I wonder if I would forget. You know, because, because it hits pretty hard, it's pretty crazy. There's, there's something called light scattering, which is, when you're, under DMT, your senses are heightened, like, you know how colors are sharper, everything's sharper. When I'm on psychedelics, I don't even need glasses anymore for like, three days. It's like, everything's really, really sharpened. And it appears that when you're looking, when the lasers are hitting a wall, they've got

• 1:39:29Speaker 04

  all these imperfections. And those imperfections, they hit your cornea, and they can be magnified. So it's probably that, that's what Dr. Gallimore believes, is probably that, that's why they tend to move, is because you're looking at a different angle. So, so those imperfections are going to move with your eye. I'm not going to say that's definitely what it is. I need to see it for myself. And I know a few people have done it, who said they see, they see the code. But it wouldn't make sense to me why there would be code in the wall like that.

• 1:40:04Shawn Ryan?

  You know people that have seen the code?

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  Yes. Yes, I know, I know, yeah. I mean-

• 1:40:10Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, other than Danny, like, you have friends that have seen it?

• 1:40:13Speaker 04

  I mean, didn't Chase Hughes see it? We both know Chase-

• 1:40:16Shawn Ryan?

  Chase Hughes did see it, but I haven't talked to Chase Hughes since he's, since he's-

• 1:40:20Speaker 04

  I haven't either, but I know he's talked about it.

• 1:40:22Shawn Ryan?

  Have you had Chase on?

• 1:40:23Speaker 04

  I haven't had him on yet. He's on the list, though. He's on the list. He, he's fascinating.

• 1:40:30Shawn Ryan?

  What do your friends say?

• 1:40:33Speaker 04

  I don't have any friend, uh, I have one friend who has seen it, who's seen the laser code, who's convinced that it's the Matrix. But why would you build the Matrix that way? Well, I mean, what is that supposed to signify? What does that mean? Why does it signify? I, you know, I don't think you would build reality that way. You know, the most fascinating thing, thing about Danny to me was how he saw that console everywhere in real life. I don't know if he talked about that. But like, he'd be on DMT, and he, in his living room, and suddenly a console would come out with like, controls and gears and stuff. And no matter where he was, this thing would show up. I believe that. I think the laser thing is cool. I don't understand why, the purpose of that.

• 1:41:18Shawn Ryan?

  What, I mean, you just said you had seen, met beings and communicated. What, what do you mean?

• 1:41:25Speaker 04

  I have been in there and talked to entities-

• 1:41:30Shawn Ryan?

  What do they look like?

• 1:41:34Speaker 04

  Like, under different psychedelics, I have seen the mantis beings.

• 1:41:37Shawn Ryan?

  Oh shit.

• 1:41:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've seen those. I did not expect that. It kind of freaked me out a little bit. It was not on DMT.

• 1:41:45Speaker 04

  But I saw those. They, they were fine.

• 1:41:49Speaker 04

  The only way I can describe what I saw with those entities was, it was like,

• 1:41:55Speaker 04

  tall, thin, covered in like, black robes. They were kind of scary looking. And they said, uh, "You shouldn't be in here," is what they told me. They said, "You shouldn't be in here." And experience was over pretty quickly after that, and I kind of got the message. I didn't mess with it for a while after that. Um, but for the most part, I didn't see a lot of that stuff.

• 1:42:17Shawn Ryan?

  You didn't ask why?

• 1:42:18Speaker 04

  I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember being pretty scared, though. Like, when they said, "You shouldn't be here," it wasn't like, "Hey, baby, don't, don't mess with this." It was like, "Get the F out of here and do not come back." It was like, it was pretty intense. Like, so when that experience was over, I was like, "Okay, I'm not gonna do this for a while." Which I didn't, for like, a couple of years.

• 1:42:40Shawn Ryan?

  And then you did it again?

• 1:42:41Speaker 04

  I did it again. They didn't bother with, bother me, but, to be honest, I didn't go that hard, didn't use that much, I didn't inhale that deeply, like, it left an impression. Like, "I'm just gonna go in the lobby. I'm not gonna go in these other rooms. I'll just chill out right here." Like, "Okay, there's some, there's a lot of fractals. Cool. I'll come back."

• 1:43:02Shawn Ryan?

  What do you make of that? I mean, what do you think?

• 1:43:05Speaker 04

  I think that there's something to it.

• 1:43:06Shawn Ryan?

  You think you're in another realm?

• 1:43:08Speaker 04

  I do. I do. Um, now, the, the science side of my brain says that it's just, since we all have the brain, same brain chemistry, the same sort of physiology, we're probably seeing the same things. Like, near-death experiences, why are they all the same? Because our brains are basically the same meat. But when you're in there, it does not feel like that. I mean, did it feel real when you were inside?

• 1:43:33Shawn Ryan?

  Which thing?

• 1:43:33Speaker 04

  When you were, when you were in the DMT realm, did it feel like, "This is a real place"?

• 1:43:40Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Shawn Ryan?

  I've never done that kind of DMT, though.

• 1:43:44Speaker 04

  Oh, 5-MEO is not, yeah, that's like ego death and all that. It's dark. Yeah, I was floating and just in a void, and I felt, I felt like, I felt like I was dying. I felt like I was dying and going to hell.

• 1:43:57Shawn Ryan?

  In 5 or a regular DMT?

• 1:43:58Speaker 04

  5. Regular DMT, no. Regular DMT was not like that at all. I didn't feel like I was dying. I felt like I was visiting somewhere. But the thing about it is, once I was over there, it felt familiar. Like, "Oh, I've been here before." Even on my first trip. I was like, "Oh, I've been here before." And the, and, you know, I'm talking maybe 12 trips, and the entities were only during one. Never saw machine elves or anything like that. I didn't see any of that stuff. Most of it was just sort of wandering around this space.

• 1:44:28Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you get anything out of it? What, what, why were you doing it? Just curious?

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  I would want, I was curious. I wanted to explore my consciousness a little bit. And I went through, you know, about a year phase where I was experimenting with different things, like 5-MEO, just to, just to see what was out there. You know, not sure, you wouldn't do, would you do 5-MEO to get high and have a good time? I mean,

• 1:44:49Shawn Ryan?

  No, no.

• 1:44:50Speaker 04

  No, no, no. No. So when people ask me about DMT, it's like, "How does it feel? Is, you know, is it ecstasy?" It's like, "No, no, man. It's pretty, it's intense." And I've told people, "Don't mess with 5-MEO." Yeah, I wouldn't do, ever do it again. Regular DMT, it, it's much, much gentler and quicker, so...

• 1:45:11Speaker 04

  I still don't recommend anyone mess with it. You have to be really careful. Have someone around, for sure. Like, my wife is always right there, just in case something went wrong. But I just wanted to kind of see what was out there.

• 1:45:28Speaker 04

  You know, DMT helped me not be as afraid of death, but 5-MEO made me terrified of death.

• 1:45:41Shawn Ryan?

  You've only done 5-MEO once?

• 1:45:43Speaker 04

  That was plenty.

• 1:45:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:45Speaker 04

  Plenty. I thought I was, I thought I was dying and going to hell. I was, I was in the trip going, "All right, this is it. You took too much." You know, "I'm going through, are my affairs in order? You know, is there enough money in the bank?" There wasn't. You know, "Is my wife gonna be okay?" She wouldn't be. And then I was back. It's like, "F that, man. Give me the reg, give me the regular stuff."

• 1:46:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. But for the most part, I'm not afraid of it. You know, I, I do mushrooms about twice a year, just to kind of clear the cobwebs out. But it's stuff that I grow myself. It's very gentle. I don't have bad trips. I put on the eye mask, I listen to music. Just clear out the cobwebs. It, I always feel very peaceful when it's over. It's like two hours.

• 1:46:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore.

• 1:46:40Speaker 04

  I mean, if something's telling you to leave it alone, then you probably should.

• 1:46:44Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I've left it alone.

• 1:46:48Shawn Ryan?

  I have, uh, yeah, I've left it alone.

• 1:46:51Speaker 04

  You know, I haven't talked about it much. A little bit on my channel is, um, I've been doing ketamine therapy, but through a doctor and stuff. And it's been very helpful for my anxiety and depression.

• 1:47:02Shawn Ryan?

  What is that like? What is that experience like?

• 1:47:04Speaker 04

  I'm very, very low dose. Um, so, you don't like, like, when, DMT, when you kind of break through, you're kind of just gone. I'm on low, uh, it's low-dose ketamine. It's not a psychedelic. It's a disassociative, so it's more relaxing. Kind of like you're floating, but it makes you more open to your emotions inside. Uh, it's not that intense. It's the same thing. Eye mask, music, lasts about 45 minutes.

• 1:47:32Speaker 04

  And it's very good for neuroplasticity. I don't know if you know what that means. It's like, helps you rewire your brain, you know, set and setting. So I have a little journal. Here's what, you know, "Don't take life too seriously." You know, "Calm down. Don't get stressed." And I was doing it for a little while. My wife did not like the idea of me, like, injecting my body with, with anesthesia. But after about a week and a half, she and my whole staff noticed, even before I did, that I was more relaxed. I wasn't jumping to emotional reactions as quickly. You may be able to tell now that I'm kind of relaxed. Where last night I was here, freaking out.

• 1:48:13Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, no, we've, we're just talking to my producer about it. She's noticed it.

• 1:48:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:48:19Shawn Ryan?

  I noticed it.

• 1:48:20Speaker 04

  Right. It's just, I, I'm, you, I have that thing, like, I have a, I have a bad temper. Like, I'll lose, I'll lose my mind. And, uh, say things or email things, and after a minute, I'm like, "That was a little over the top, dude. You did not have to go so aggressively." Now, it's not like that. Now, it's more like, just don't react. Just take a minute, you know, process it. And then just be a little bit more mature. Maybe some things are not where, that's not the hill to die on. Like, I told you, going through that, the bullshit with night media, I'm mostly just having fun with them and just, most, yeah, I mean, I'm just a cat with a bird. I'm not stressed about it.

• 1:49:04Speaker 04

  And it's litigation. I've been through litigation. It's the worst. It's so stressful. It is not consuming my day. Just, just relaxed.

• 1:49:12Shawn Ryan?

  How often do you do this? What's the protocol?

• 1:49:14Speaker 04

  It's about once a week when you get started, and then every couple of weeks, three weeks, four weeks. And you can go, I can do a much higher dose and have sort of that fully disassociated feeling where you're just, kind of just observing yourself. I'm not in, really into that. I don't really want to go that deep.

• 1:49:32Shawn Ryan?

  Have you gone that deep?

• 1:49:33Speaker 04

  I have not. I have not. But I talked to my doctor about it. He's, he, my question to him was, "Can I take this low dose where I'm still totally aware? Like, I'm under, but I know my cat is in my lap. I know I've got, you know, something to drink right here."

• 1:49:49Shawn Ryan?

  You do it at your house?

• 1:49:50Speaker 04

  Right at my house, like, in, in my chair. It, you know, in my recliner, you know, in my man cave or whatever. Just, and do that. But I'm very aware of everything. I'm totally grounded. So I told my doctor that. I said, "How do, deep do I need to go to get the benefits?" He said, "You don't have to go that deep." He said, "It's not really about going so far under." He said, "If you're getting benefits from a low dose and you're comfortable there, then just do that." So that's what I'm doing.

• 1:50:18Shawn Ryan?

  So what, what, like, what is the, what is the experience?

• 1:50:22Speaker 04

  The experience for me is mostly just relaxation. Um, if I, if my dose is a little higher, I will see fractals and colors and things like that. But at the lower dose, it's mostly just listening to music. Time goes a little quicker. But again, the experience is 45 minutes. And that's with the injections. You can take it as like, as a lozenge, but that lasts a lot longer, which I don't really want to do, and you can't control the doses as evenly. Again, not recommending it to anyone. Talk to your doctor, but it's working for me and don't really need any anxiety or depression meds anymore. It's gone.

• 1:51:03Shawn Ryan?

  So there's no, like, talk therapy during it? You're just?

• 1:51:06Speaker 04

  There is. You could, and you talk to a therapist before and after, but that's really only once you get started. You can talk to a therapist whenever you want to. So I did, but mostly I just wanted to, I wanted the neuroplasticity. And there's scientific evidence that that works, you know, because it works on proteins in your brain, that you start to use parts of your brain that were maybe, it's great for PTSD, because you kind, you know how you just kind of block those memories? This lets you access them, but without that emotional reaction. So you, things just start to get moving around your brain. And then when you have that, uh, a few days after, it's called integration, you just try to do better habits.

• 1:51:46Speaker 04

  Like, I try to eat better, work out a little more, spend a little more time with the family, try to just relax. And it, it helps.

• 1:51:57Shawn Ryan?

  How long did it take for your wife to notice the difference?

• 1:51:59Speaker 04

  Uh, 48 hours.

• 1:52:01Shawn Ryan?

  That's it?

• 1:52:02Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52:02Shawn Ryan?

  Your team?

• 1:52:03Speaker 04

  All right, same thing. Same thing.

• 1:52:06Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:52:07Speaker 04

  You know, I didn't really notice. I didn't really notice it, um, until I started looking for it. But she was like, saying like, "What's up with him?" You know, "He seems like he's just kind of in a better mood and not so, you know, intense." Because I was, I, by nature, I'm type A, like, super intense, always stressed, always like, work, work, work. I'm still working hard, but it's not, I don't feel the pressure. Like I told you earlier, I had episodes that I needed to finish before my trip. I didn't get to them. I have sponsor commitments and stuff. It's like that. We'll figure it out.

• 1:52:43Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 1:52:43Speaker 04

  They're not gonna leave. We'll figure it out.

• 1:52:48Shawn Ryan?

  How long you been doing this?

• 1:52:51Speaker 04

  Six weeks.

• 1:52:52Shawn Ryan?

  Six? Oh, this is fresh.

• 1:52:56Shawn Ryan?

  Well, good for you, man.

• 1:52:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:52:58Shawn Ryan?

  I could tell the difference.

• 1:53:00Speaker 04

  I'm glad. I give, you know, I feel the difference now that I think about it.

• 1:53:06Speaker 04

  But it's, it helps with the podcast too, because I get stage fright, you know, I get nervous, I'm so nervous, so nervous talking to someone for three hours. But now it's, I'm in much more control of it.

• 1:53:18Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you continue to do the podcast if you like the other stuff better? I'm just curious.

• 1:53:23Speaker 04

  Because I do like the podcast.

• 1:53:24Shawn Ryan?

  I do like it.

• 1:53:25Speaker 04

  I do like talking to those super smart people. I learned so much from them. You know, I really do. And talking to them makes the, my episodes better. Because I started doing the podcast because I would talk to these scientists and experts, like when I'm doing my research. And then we decided to do the podcast because it was like, well, if I'm gonna do an episode on the Knights Templar, and I talk to Tim Hogan all the time, and I, and he's so engaging and entertaining, and he does podcasts, why don't I just talk to him? Just bring the guy in and ask him the questions here, and then everyone can see, and everyone can learn from him. I just started doing that. So now I'm, I, I talk to some guests that give me some ideas. I'm like, that would be a great episode.

• 1:54:07Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:54:08Speaker 04

  And now I talked, I spent, you know, three hours with him. I've got, I've got all this research done. And I think it makes the shows better.

• 1:54:15Shawn Ryan?

  Makes sense. Makes sense.

• 1:54:19Shawn Ryan?

  It's interesting. I'm starting to, I mean, I wouldn't, it's nothing compared to what you do. But we're starting to look at doing like these mini docu-series.

• 1:54:26Speaker 04

  Definitely do it.

• 1:54:28Shawn Ryan?

  We started, we did one on, um, we did one on flock camera systems.

• 1:54:34Speaker 04

  Oh, is that out yet?

• 1:54:37Shawn Ryan?

  No, this is, this is, it's kind of like a trial run. But, you know, at the beginning of this, you had mentioned, you know, you never want to get into politics and talk to people within government. And I've, I've arrived at that conclusion. And, um, and, you know, I'm, I'm pretty out of tune right now from what I, what my normal is. Like, we, we talked about like all the spiritual stuff that I've been going through with, from my last psychedelic experience upstairs before we came on here. And so I've been busy with dealing with that. And, um, like, you know, usually

• 1:55:17Shawn Ryan?

  you would talk to me and I would know, you know, a lot about what's going on with everything, Ukraine, the war in Iran, China, with US politics, geopolitics, all that kind of stuff. And, um, which I do, you know, I do think it's important to keep a pulse on, but I just, I just haven't. I feel.

• 1:55:42Speaker 04

  It's not as important as, as we thought. Cause I was the same way. I watch news about an hour a day.

• 1:55:49Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I guess, you know, I just said, I feel like it's important, but I don't know, is it? I just sat here and got lied to for years.

• 1:55:56Speaker 04

  A hundred percent true.

• 1:55:57Shawn Ryan?

  Totally conned.

• 1:55:58Speaker 04

  I think it's important just to know what's going on, but I was just, I would watch five hours of these news channels every day and be miserable.

• 1:56:09Speaker 04

  And so I hardly watch the news anymore. I don't go on social media. I don't, I'm not sure I'm missing anything.

• 1:56:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:20Shawn Ryan?

  I can't even remember where the hell I was going with this.

• 1:56:22Speaker 04

  That doesn't matter.

• 1:56:22Shawn Ryan?

  Guess I need some neuroplasticity. But, um, where was I going with that?

• 1:56:28Speaker 04

  I don't remember. What we, we were talking, we talked about, we were talking about Atlantis, Megalithic Yard. We got into psychedelics, DMT, Danny Gohler.

• 1:56:41Shawn Ryan?

  Now, well, I lost it. Grand Canyon mysteries.

• 1:56:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:56:46Shawn Ryan?

  Let's hear about some of this stuff.

• 1:56:49Speaker 04

  People ask me if there's one conspiracy that you'd like to know about.

• 1:56:56Speaker 04

  My answer is always, I'd like to know what's going on in the Grand Canyon. Did I start at the beginning? I didn't cover Grand Canyon last time, huh?

• 1:57:04Speaker 04

  The beginning. Uh, 1909. GE Kincaid is looking for silver deposits in the Grand Canyon. And he's going down, I guess it's the Colorado River, and he sees

• 1:57:23Speaker 04

  like this cave opening

• 1:57:26Speaker 04

  way up in the cliff, super, super far. And something about it intrigues him because it's, it sort of stands out from the geography. So he's on a little boat and he pulls up and he clears the brush and he sees there's steps that go all the way up this thing. So he follows the steps and finds a way into this cave. Goes in a little bit of ways. And he comes to this, like a, like a fork in the road, tunnels going this way and that. And he sees a statue that looks like Buddha. But it's not quite Buddha. Or is it Egyptian? But it's not quite Egyptian. He calls it Oriental, which could mean Asian. He doesn't really know.

• 1:58:05Speaker 04

  So he starts drawing a map and he goes down these corridors. And he starts to find artifacts. Weapons made of bronze, armor, different things. He finds these little porticoes that have mummies on shelves after shelves, just, just mummies. Then he keeps going and he finds this giant cavern that is an old city that he says maybe thousands of people could have lived here. And there's pottery and there's evidence that people lived here for, for a long time. And he maps the whole place and it's huge.

• 1:58:41Speaker 04

  So he leaves, he goes back to his camp or wherever. And he is part of a Smithsonian Institution contingent. So he calls the Smithsonian and says, I found this stuff. Smithsonian says, we're in a sense, I want to help you, Professor S.A. Jordan was the guy who went out. And they go out and they explore again and they find all this stuff.

• 1:59:04Speaker 04

  They send a bunch of artifacts back to Smithsonian.

• 1:59:09Speaker 04

  And then it kind of goes away. Smithsonian says, we never heard of it. We never received anything. We don't, never heard of GE.

• 1:59:15Shawn Ryan?

  What?

• 1:59:16Speaker 04

  Never heard of GE Kincaid, don't know anything about any guy named Jordan. And the story disappears and so does Kincaid and Jordan. It just kind of goes away. And people have been trying to find it ever since and they can't. But you can't find pictures if you look in that area

• 1:59:33Speaker 04

  where, cause in my episode, I think I found at least one of them, that, where that hole could be. And people have gone up right above that hole to see what's up there. And once they go up there, as soon as you land above that cave entrance, suddenly black helicopters start flying around. And this is in my video, like here, the black helicopters, you see them. Um, I thanked the people in my video because I used their video of when they went and explored. Black helicopters circling for hours. And then these unmarked white planes are flying below the rim all around the area. The thing is, this is all no-fly zone. You cannot fly

• 2:00:15Speaker 04

  above this area and you know aircraft is allowed below the rim, but there they are all over the place.

• 2:00:22Speaker 04

  They're not yet intimidated and they start to clear things around. And they're finding artifacts from, you know, the early 1900s when these people were here. And then straight above the cave entrance, they find this block with a giant iron hook in it.

• 2:00:39Speaker 04

  Which could have been something that would have been used to attach ropes that you can rappel down in. But there's no evidence of any of that because you are not allowed in this part of the canyon. This is a no-go zone. And eventually they were chased out of there.

• 2:00:56Speaker 04

  A lot of the artifacts, the locations inside the Grand Canyon are named after ancient Egyptian locations. You know, Kiops and Cleopatra and all these different things, um,

• 2:01:09Speaker 04

  these ancient Egyptian gods like Ra and Toth. Oh, it's very strange that they're named this way. Cause they already had names from the Hopi, but Smithsonian wasn't really into the American Indians at the time. And eventually it was all closed up. And now just about every cave in the Grand Canyon has an iron grate over it. You can't go there, can't get a permit.

• 2:01:29Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 2:01:30Speaker 04

  Nobody's allowed.

• 2:01:31Shawn Ryan?

  Have you seen any of this for yourself? I'm just curious.

• 2:01:33Speaker 04

  I haven't been to the canyon since I did the story, but I, I have been before.

• 2:01:39Speaker 04

  But why go down there? There's, they will not let you in. The Rangers will, will yank you out of there. There have been some expeditions into some of these caves. I believe like 1% of the caves have been explored. And these are important geological and historical places because they're like time capsules. Cause they've gone in there and found artifacts that are thousands of years old from like the native tribes who have been in there. Who say that there's been people there for way longer than that. But they go and they, they gather some stuff and then bang, the grate goes over it. And the Smithsonian has this history of getting things sent to them and then losing them. They just, especially during that time of, in the Smithsonian's, uh, history.

• 2:02:21Speaker 04

  Smithsonian did not like, uh, they didn't like the idea that Native Americans or any non-white culture could have a civilization like that. There's, you know, it was kind of an ugly time for Smithsonian. Now, very recently, that story has been chased down and they have found a few more articles about the Kincaid expedition. It's been called a hoax, but they've found earlier articles about him and this expedition that kind of predate the hoax by a few weeks. So for a hoax to go several months across multiple newspapers is very strange.

• 2:02:59Speaker 04

  Smithsonian finally admitted that they did have a Kincaid on expedition there at that time, and they did have a Jordan on expedition at the time, but one was the entomologist and one wasn't really in the area. But they were, they were real men who were on real missions for the Smithsonian. But they said they didn't really work together. A lot, it's, it's very, very strange. It's very shady.

• 2:03:22Shawn Ryan?

  Why, why? Why were they?

• 2:03:24Speaker 04

  It's, you can't go in there for your, for your safety is why.

• 2:03:28Shawn Ryan?

  Why would they hide this stuff?

• 2:03:29Speaker 04

  I, I, you know, I don't really know. They would hide it back then because the Smithsonian did like, didn't like the idea of.

• 2:03:39Speaker 04

  Of native tribes or anyone else other than white people having advanced culture. They didn't like that. So when you find like Cahokia, this amazing city in Ohio, do you know about the Mississippian culture?

• 2:03:54Shawn Ryan?

  I'm getting ready to find out about it.

• 2:03:56Speaker 04

  The thing is, nobody knows about it. We're not taught about it. But one of the biggest cities in that area in America was Cahokia, which in 1100 AD was bigger than London. It was bigger than London, Cahokia. We're not taught about it in school. We just weren't taught about it. Now, I don't think the schools are as racist as they used to be. You know, I think they maybe swung a little bit further the other way. But when those syllabus were being created back then, it just kind of carried over through history. It's like, we just don't teach you about these mound builders and those societies. We don't really talk about it that much. I talked about it with Ed Barnhart. He knows plenty about that stuff.

• 2:04:36Shawn Ryan?

  Did you talk about the Mississippians? Because that's what I'm having him come up with.

• 2:04:40Speaker 04

  Just a tiny bit, just a tiny bit. We ran out of time. Because you can talk to him forever. Just a little bit. I'd love to see him go into more of that with you. Because Cahokia was an amazing place with thousands and thousands of people. It was an empire.

• 2:04:56Shawn Ryan?

  Did you ask him about the stuff in the Grand Canyon?

• 2:04:59Speaker 04

  I don't think we got into the Grand Canyon all that much. Definitely ask him.

• 2:05:04Shawn Ryan?

  When did the great show up on the caves and stuff? Is that?

• 2:05:08Speaker 04

  With the what on the caves?

• 2:05:10Shawn Ryan?

  The, where you can't enter the caves.

• 2:05:12Speaker 04

  The bars? Almost immediately after that. They'll blame Teddy Roosevelt, who created the national park system. And they, whoever they are, the park service, whatever, went through and closed a lot of that stuff off. And it's for our safety because of flash floods or whatever. But we need to go into those caves. 1% of caves being explored is unacceptable. We need to go and see what's in there. Because there's stuff in there that's pre-Ice Age. Got to know what's in there.

• 2:05:41Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that's crazy. It's like, what do you, why, why? Why are they hiding it?

• 2:05:46Speaker 04

  I don't know. I mean, there's legends of people discovering giants, giant skeletons, and sending them to Smithsonian, who acknowledged, we received the package, which we can see the receipts, but then they lost the stuff. You know, we don't know where it is. We received your giant skeletons, but we misplaced them. And Smithsonian misplaced a lot of stuff in the early 1900s.

• 2:06:07Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you think man originated from?

• 2:06:10Speaker 04

  Man? It's not Adam and Eve, is it? That's a hard question, because we still have the missing link. You know, because I believe in evolution, but I don't know what happened to make smart monkeys really smart. You know, and what happened 300,000 years ago, give or take, that made Homo sapiens sapien? You know, the only animal that's really self-aware and aware of its own death and the things around it. There's no animals that do that. That's never been answered to my satisfaction.

• 2:06:54Shawn Ryan?

  You believe in evolution?

• 2:06:57Speaker 04

  I believe in evolution.

• 2:06:59Shawn Ryan?

  I was listening to, oh, man, I can't remember this guy's name. He was on Rogan, and I think it was called The Lady or something. Have you heard about this? It's like old, whatever, type of ape that they used to bury its dead.

• 2:07:17Speaker 04

  I didn't hear about that.

• 2:07:21Shawn Ryan?

  You got to look that up.

• 2:07:24Speaker 04

  I have to look that up. You remember where in the world it was?

• 2:07:26Shawn Ryan?

  Um, no, I don't.

• 2:07:31Speaker 04

  I have to look that up.

• 2:07:33Shawn Ryan?

  But it was, yeah, it was pretty, it was interesting. It was, they would, yeah, they would bury their dead. They would put them down in these caves and...

• 2:07:41Speaker 04

  Like ceremonial, not just get the rotting meat.

• 2:07:44Shawn Ryan?

  That's what it sounds like.

• 2:07:45Speaker 04

  That's really interesting. I mean, we know the Neanderthals were way more cultured and smarter than we thought. But that, that's interesting.

• 2:07:52Shawn Ryan?

  What do we know about them?

• 2:07:53Speaker 04

  They had music, they had art.

• 2:07:55Shawn Ryan?

  They had music?

• 2:07:56Speaker 04

  They had music, they had art, they had strong family cultures. They were the first ones to do organized warfare. Just 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals ruled the planet. Like, we were just hiding in caves, trying to figure out how to deal with these massive armies. I have an episode about the Neanderthals that goes into a lot of this. Yeah, they made musical instruments, you know, unbelievable stuff. You know, they carved figurines. And they had organized warfare when we were just trying to figure it out. They would show up like with columns and phalanxes and, you know, and commanders. Can you, I mean, can you imagine if you're just cave people?

• 2:08:35Speaker 04

  And you've got these super-strong, super-aggressive, almost-humans with weapons, and they're 10 times stronger than you?

• 2:08:43Shawn Ryan?

  God.

• 2:08:44Speaker 04

  You know, and they're doing pincer maneuvers around you? I mean, goodbye. It was only when humans invented the bow and arrow did anything really change, because you're going to harass from a distance. They didn't really...

• 2:08:55Shawn Ryan?

  But I guess it's not, I shouldn't be too surprised if, when you watch how wolves, you know, hunt. Or, you know, lions, how they'll team up and hunt. Like, it's pretty fascinating.

• 2:09:07Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:09:08Shawn Ryan?

  So why wouldn't?

• 2:09:09Speaker 04

  Why wouldn't they? Yeah, coyotes will hunt in singles or packs or in a group, depending on the situation. So, yeah, Neanderthals, they had bigger brains than we did.

• 2:09:20Shawn Ryan?

  What discovery would rewrite human history overnight if it was proven real?

• 2:09:24Speaker 04

  God, there's a lot of those. That there's something on the moon. That there's anything on the moon. Something on the moon that's not natural. That would rewrite everything.

• 2:09:39Shawn Ryan?

  You have a problem saying rewrite, too?

• 2:09:42Speaker 04

  I am. It's a hard word.

• 2:09:44Shawn Ryan?

  I would say if the Earth was flat.

• 2:09:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is flat. But that would change things.

• 2:09:51Shawn Ryan?

  It definitely would, wouldn't it?

• 2:09:53Speaker 04

  It would. I don't do Flat Earth stories because the comment sections are too violent.

• 2:09:58Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean they're violent?

• 2:09:59Speaker 04

  They get, the Flat Earthers are really into it. They're really into it. They're definitely convinced. And they just attack, attack, attack.

• 2:10:08Shawn Ryan?

  What, they like give you death threats or something?

• 2:10:10Speaker 04

  I get death threats anyway. But, I mean, they'll fight with each other in the comments. I don't really read them anymore. But they're like really mean in the comments. I like the Flat Earth story. I think it's super fun. You know, I'll watch a bunch of Flat Earth videos and be like, yeah, that's, I could see there's something to that. But there's nothing to that. But I'm entertained by it. And I love people who are really into it, who really love it.

• 2:10:36Shawn Ryan?

  It's a fascinating subject.

• 2:10:38Speaker 04

  It is.

• 2:10:39Shawn Ryan?

  You know, just totally changing the subject again here. I went in, I did an interview with this friend of mine, Father Ripperger.

• 2:10:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:10:57Shawn Ryan?

  And he's out of Denver, outside of Denver. And I was going there, and somebody on my team was talking about all the demonic shit at the Denver Airport.

• 2:11:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:13Shawn Ryan?

  And we were staying at the Denver Airport. So I got on YouTube, looking up Denver Airport demonic activity, something like that. Bam, there's the Y files. I was like, yes. Dude, what the hell is going on there? There's the horse with the red eyes.

• 2:11:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's Lucifer.

• 2:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  That killed the guy that made it.

• 2:11:32Speaker 04

  Yep, he died before it was finished.

• 2:11:34Shawn Ryan?

  The gargoyles and the baggage claim. There's some painting, I didn't get to see that.

• 2:11:39Speaker 04

  There's a bunch of paintings that show the end of the world, and people in gas masks, and dying children. It's a crazy place. It was maybe my first episode that was demonetized.

• 2:11:50Shawn Ryan?

  That was demonetized?

• 2:11:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I didn't know why. And I learned, I don't want to out anybody, but I learned that there is a list of topics on certain platforms that you cannot discuss, regardless. Denver Airport is one of them. You can't talk about it. And I talk about way crazier, controversial stuff than that. Like, all my CIA stuff, it's like, how did he get away with saying it? It's fine. But Denver Airport, which all I did was show the stuff that's around. You know, the time capsule with the masons, the weird numbers and...

• 2:12:27Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know about all of it.

• 2:12:28Speaker 04

  It's so crazy. When they excavated the airport, they excavated way too much dirt. Like, when you look at how much space there is and parking and all of that, they took way too much dirt. So the theory is that it goes much deeper, that there are these underground tunnels that go to other places, like Cheyenne Mountain and all these other places. And, but it's the artwork that really makes it crazy. The gargoyles and Lucifer is this, I'm sure everyone knows, but it's this stallion, he's made of blue, he's got red eyes, and it's like, it's all end-of-the-world stuff.

• 2:13:12Speaker 04

  It's, you know, they've got the four horsemen of the apocalypse. It's all end-of-the-world. There's dead children, like, there's children in coffins. And that was the artwork, all of the airport. A lot of it is taken down.

• 2:13:27Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's upsetting to watch. Like, you look at it, you're like, why? Why don't, I don't want my family to walk by this. Daddy, what's that? Oh, that, you know, that's a world burning after the apocalypse. It's all supposed to be messages of peace, but there's a lot of, it's not really Nazi stuff, but it's a lot of World War II-looking...

• 2:13:52Shawn Ryan?

  How does this happen?

• 2:13:54Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't know.

• 2:13:55Shawn Ryan?

  Like, just like all this random stuff that just happens to be in one location at an airport?

• 2:14:03Speaker 04

  I don't know, but I...

• 2:14:04Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think?

• 2:14:05Speaker 04

  I know there was a meteor threat at one point during Obama's administration, and the place they took him was the Denver Airport. Which is very strange to go there, of all places. Think you want to go to a public airport? I guess that's where you went.

• 2:14:24Shawn Ryan?

  This is a forbidden topic, huh?

• 2:14:28Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, we're in too trouble. You're not gonna make any money on this now. It's over.

• 2:14:34Speaker 04

  Maybe it's safe. I'm surprised that you found that video.

• 2:14:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, popped right. It was the first result. There's a ton of stuff on it.

• 2:14:42Speaker 04

  Thank goodness.

• 2:14:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, there's a ton of stuff. So the guy that made, do you, do you want to tell the story about the Blucifer artist?

• 2:14:51Speaker 04

  I don't remember his name and stuff, but I do remember that that before it finished, the statue killed him. He had like an accident working on it. So he never, never finished it.

• 2:15:06Speaker 04

  He died during, while he was making that statue.

• 2:15:11Speaker 04

  Gotta be cursed.

• 2:15:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:15Speaker 04

  Have you been to that airport?

• 2:15:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that's the Denver Airport.

• 2:15:18Speaker 04

  You've been there?

• 2:15:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that's where I looked this shit up. I was staying at the hotel there. And we were flying in and somebody on my team was telling me about it. And I was like, what? What are you talking about? Blucifer and all these gargoyles of baggage claim and paintings and shit? And I was like, and then there it all was. And I was like, oh, and he's like, pointing out the gargoyles and baggage claim. I'm like, oh, that is kind of, that is weird.

• 2:15:46Speaker 04

  It is.

• 2:15:47Shawn Ryan?

  And so he was kind of telling me about, you know, the conspiracy or whatever. And then we checked in the hotel right there at the airport. So I jumped on YouTube and I was like, all right, I gotta look this shit up. And your video is the first thing that popped up. I was like, I'll be damned. All right. We go down the rabbit hole.

• 2:16:07Speaker 04

  Yep. And the time capsule's there. It was put in there by the masons, which adds, you know, adds to the legend. And allegedly every level of the airport is not quite level. Like there's, it's a little bit of a, of an incline, a little bit of a pitch to make you feel a little bit off. I don't know if that's true, but I like that part of the story.

• 2:16:32Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:17:48Shawn Ryan?

  Where were we? Reptilians.

• 2:17:50Speaker 04

  Reptilians, my favorite.

• 2:17:51Shawn Ryan?

  This is your favorite?

• 2:17:53Speaker 04

  Probably not. I don't think I've ever done a full episode of reptilians. I kind of want to.

• 2:17:59Shawn Ryan?

  What do you, hold on. What do you think about aliens to begin with?

• 2:18:03Speaker 04

  I mean,

• 2:18:03Shawn Ryan?

  You think they're there, out there?

• 2:18:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:18:05Shawn Ryan?

  You think they're not? You do?

• 2:18:06Speaker 04

  I do.

• 2:18:07Shawn Ryan?

  What makes you think they're out there?

• 2:18:08Speaker 04

  Just the odds, just the odds of it.

• 2:18:12Speaker 04

  So many stars, you know, whatever Drake's equation. I think they're out there. I don't know if they're here. The stuff that we see, I think most of the stuff we see is probably just experimental aircraft.

• 2:18:25Shawn Ryan?

  If you had Brandon, Brandon Fugel on?

• 2:18:27Speaker 04

  Mm-mm, but I know who he is.

• 2:18:28Shawn Ryan?

  Would you have him on?

• 2:18:30Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 2:18:30Shawn Ryan?

  He's awesome. I love that dude.

• 2:18:34Speaker 04

  Definitely would. Are you an alien guy?

• 2:18:37Shawn Ryan?

  I used to be. I used to be really into it. You know what I noticed about the alien crowd? Is

• 2:18:45Speaker 04

  The alien crowd, okay.

• 2:18:47Shawn Ryan?

  Not, okay, let me, let me, yeah. The media heads that talk about aliens all the time.

• 2:18:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18:54Shawn Ryan?

  Minus a couple, I would not put Brandon Fugel in that category. I love that guy. But what I've noticed about the alien crowd is that

• 2:19:08Shawn Ryan?

  everybody's pushing for disclosure. We all want disclosure. But they have to be the, each individual has to be the one that gets disclosure. And everything everybody else is saying is complete bullshit unless it comes from this specific person. And that's what I've noticed, which means, okay, you don't give a shit about disclosure. You just want to be the one sitting in the front of the congressional hearing. You want to be,

• 2:19:36Shawn Ryan?

  everybody has to be the guy. We can't work together. Everybody's full of shit except, do you pick that up?

• 2:19:42Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. It's that the, that Prometheus syndrome is you need to be the one with the hidden knowledge. And not only do I pick it up, is they hate each other.

• 2:19:54Speaker 04

  Well, people that I talk to are always running down the others. He's a liar, but I'm not. He's a liar, but I'm not. You know, he's, he's an asset, but I'm not. And I don't know who to believe of the alien crowd. I know exactly who you're talking about.

• 2:20:07Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they have said like horrific stuff about each other.

• 2:20:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:20:12Shawn Ryan?

  That has nothing to do with aliens.

• 2:20:16Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:20:20Speaker 04

  I've had one or two on. You definitely have too.

• 2:20:23Shawn Ryan?

  I've had a ton of them on.

• 2:20:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:20:25Shawn Ryan?

  I haven't had many on in,

• 2:20:28Shawn Ryan?

  man, over a year, I think.

• 2:20:29Speaker 04

  There, there's nothing new, like,

• 2:20:32Shawn Ryan?

  It's the thing. There's nothing new.

• 2:20:33Speaker 04

  Nothing new. We're not learning anything from the video drops.

• 2:20:38Speaker 04

  So yeah, I think there's aliens, you know, there's definitely some weird stuff in the skies and the ocean that

• 2:20:45Speaker 04

  is probably not ours. But I don't know. I come, I'm starting to come more around to the idea that this is interdimensionality or, yeah.

• 2:20:57Speaker 04

  And I don't mean in like a woo-woo kind of sense. I mean, like in multiple dimensions and in actual physics where you have multi-dimensional space that once you reach these higher dimensions, space contracts geometrically so you can travel really far and to, to an observer, it would look like just hopping around in space. It would allow you to go great distances. You know, CERN has been looking for clues at Klein particles for a while, which would explain multi-dimensional travel through the bulk, they call it. So I kind of go there, but you say multi-dimensional, people start to gloss over. You know, because it's not a disc, you know, a metal disc with, with a window and, and a, a red, you know, a Martian, a little redheaded man.

• 2:21:43Speaker 04

  But I think something to the interdimensions.

• 2:21:46Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. I think it's all spiritual, but that's just me.

• 2:21:50Speaker 04

  I'm coming around there too. And Jacques Vallée has been talking about that since the seventies. That, that it's spiritual, it's connected to us. And that's why we used to see UFOs because that was in the, in the psychgeist. And now we see orbs everywhere. Cause we, I never heard about orbs before the last few years. But I talked to guys like Chris Bledsoe and I've seen the videos and I've known people who've gone out with Chris and he can summon orbs. Yeah, I can't explain it.

• 2:22:19Shawn Ryan?

  Did you go out with him?

• 2:22:20Speaker 04

  No, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to mess with spiritual stuff, man. You know, I don't want to mess with it. I even talked to Chris, maybe off the air, maybe not. Where I, no, probably on where I said, can anyone learn to do this? And he said, yes, we all have this ability and you should not mess with it. I was like, cool, fair enough. I don't want to summon the wrong entity. But there's a reason that NASA is interested in him and CIA talks to him and DOD, they all are interested in Chris. And he's just a soft-spoken Christian man with no agenda that I can see. And I believe every word he says. I believe that he believes every word he says. I don't know if he really knows what, what the things are, but I believe that he thinks he does.

• 2:23:04Speaker 04

  You know, he's made some predictions that haven't come true.

• 2:23:08Speaker 04

  But he also says he can summon orbs and I know that he can. I've seen him do it. Yeah, I'm not going to mess with it.

• 2:23:16Shawn Ryan?

  So reptilians.

• 2:23:17Speaker 04

  Reptilians. Uh, reptilian, those have been around for a while. I'll tell the story that I like the best. Is, uh, there's a Swedish journalist who goes by Ol K, O-L-E-K. And he gets a phone call from a woman named Laserta. And she says that she's a reptilian. And he's, he's a famous debunker. So she says, interview me. So they meet at some cabin somewhere in the woods somewhere, neutral location. He's already got mics, cameras, all that stuff. And she comes in, she just looks like a normal girl, like around 30 years old. And the first thing she does is she shapeshifts into her lizard form. And that's crazy.

• 2:24:02Speaker 04

  And she says, we have all these abilities that humans have, we just have developed them. So like, what do you have? So she makes like his pen levitate. He's got a piping hot cup of coffee. She makes it freeze instantly. And she starts telling him the story about how her lizard race is the evolution of the dinosaurs that went underground after the Chick-fil-A impact 65 million years ago. A few of them were able to escape, they went underground and they evolved underground, this species. And she says that the human race is actually the seventh attempt of an alien race to engineer a new species on earth. That we are the seventh civilization.

• 2:24:47Speaker 04

  And, um, I think we're, we're called the illogem, or maybe the aliens are. And that's her story. She says that the, uh, the reptilians are walking among us all the time. They're in positions of power, of course. Uh, but they can shapeshift. We can't really see that they're there. But if you look up videos on YouTube about, uh, about people blinking sideways, you, you'll find some crazy stuff of people with, it looks like they've got lizard eyes. It's pretty entertaining.

• 2:25:16Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:25:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. And we do know that just before that impact and the dinosaurs went extinct, there were a couple of species of small dinosaurs that were starting to grow opposable thumbs. Which, that would have been a big, that would have been a big change for dinosaurs to actually have thumbs. Cause who knows what could happen from there. And 65 million years is a long time to evolve. You know, that's, that's enough time to get some intelligence, you know? We, we started to get ours about three million years ago. So about 65 million years. So she says that there are other lizard races, uh, that are battling for control of the planet. And one of them is an alien race.

• 2:25:58Speaker 04

  I forget what she calls them, but they're from, they're from Alpha Draconis in the, uh, in the Draco constellation. And she talks about how there's a battle for earth and it's been going on for a long time. And it's a battle of resources, specifically water and copper. Cause if you could, copper is an interesting metal that you can do different things to it and all times of weird effects can happen, anti-gravity and all kinds of stuff. And they've been fighting forever over it. And I think the episode I have is called the Lasertophiles, which goes into all the details of all of this. It kind of tracks a little bit with Yanonaki. It lines up a lot of it. And, uh, it lines up with some other stories about alien wars on the planet.

• 2:26:43Speaker 04

  But I couldn't confirm hardly any of it. You know, Ol K is a pseudonym for the journalist, but it turns out his name comes from K, the guy that, I think it's a Tommy Jones character in Men in Black. It's a book called K. So, uh, you know, a lot of the stories, the most fun ones just come from one person telling it, you know, on a website or something. So I'll tell the story because it's fun, but I can't prove any of that. You know, we don't know who she was.

• 2:27:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:14Speaker 04

  Uh, we don't have those tapes. He said he's got tapes and video. We don't, we've never seen it. Uh, but it's a good story.

• 2:27:23Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I got a Patreon question.

• 2:27:26Speaker 04

  Let's do it.

• 2:27:27Shawn Ryan?

  For you. So we got a Patreon, you do too.

• 2:27:30Speaker 04

  I do.

• 2:27:31Shawn Ryan?

  So one of the things I do. What's that?

• 2:27:34Speaker 04

  I stole the idea from you.

• 2:27:36Shawn Ryan?

  We offer every, they've been with us here since the beginning. So we offer them the opportunity to ask every guest a question. This is from YT Rocco. AJ, what do you think is going on with all the recent UAP disclosures? And do you think all of the information coming out on UAPs is just media cover to distract from ongoing geopolitical stories?

• 2:28:00Speaker 04

  I think there's a lot to that. Um, you know, if you're Lockheed or Raytheon, working on some high-tech stuff, dumping some UFO videos would be really useful. Would be really useful. Or if you're in a time of relative peace and you're a military contractor and you want to keep the dollars flowing, you start scaring people about that we can't control our skies because we've got drones, you know, over Langley and stuff. Well, maybe we need more money into the contractors. We've got to control our skies. So I think there's something to that. Uh, I don't believe, they're not gonna, in these video dumps, they're not gonna give

• 2:28:43Speaker 04

  us anything of value, I don't think. I don't think we've gotten anything of value so far. There's been a couple of good ones, like the, uh, that metallic orb over Syria. That's a pretty good video. I don't think we can explain that. But most of them we can. And I think of all the videos they've sent, like 88% can be explained. There's a few that can't, but yeah, I think a lot of it is distraction.

• 2:29:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I think so too. It's interesting, like how it keeps, you know, Epstein files come up.

• 2:29:22Speaker 04

  What happened to those?

• 2:29:23Shawn Ryan?

  Give them aliens.

• 2:29:24Speaker 04

  Give them aliens.

• 2:29:25Shawn Ryan?

  Give them aliens.

• 2:29:26Speaker 04

  What happened to all the drones over New Jersey and stuff? That story just went away.

• 2:29:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:32Speaker 04

  JFK files went away.

• 2:29:33Shawn Ryan?

  Here's a random one for you.

• 2:29:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:29:37Shawn Ryan?

  Bigfoot. Have you done anything on Bigfoot?

• 2:29:39Speaker 04

  A lot on Bigfoot.

• 2:29:40Shawn Ryan?

  My kids are obsessed with Bigfoot.

• 2:29:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I am not a Bigfoot guy. I don't know why people are obsessed with Bigfoot, but they are.

• 2:29:48Shawn Ryan?

  They're obsessed because I keep telling them.

• 2:29:51Speaker 04

  That he's real?

• 2:29:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, we got, we got, uh, the weather's just starting to cool down here. And there's a couple of people on the team that have kids, little kids like me. And so we got the Bigfoot costume. And so, so we're gonna have them out back here on the range. And then just a very quick appearance of like him, you know, running from a tree over the hill real quick. And then that's it, just to watch them all like.

• 2:30:19Speaker 04

  Oh my God, you've gotten to get video of that.

• 2:30:21Shawn Ryan?

  We're, oh, we're going to.

• 2:30:22Speaker 04

  That's fantastic.

• 2:30:24Shawn Ryan?

  I, I take my son out and I can't even remember how this started. It's like one of my wife's friends brought it up and my son became like obsessed. And he's always looking around for Bigfoot. And so I'll take, I'll like, we'll pack a bag and we'll go hunting for Bigfoot out in the woods. It's hilarious, dude. What was that? So I can't wait, I can't wait to do this.

• 2:30:47Speaker 04

  That's super fun. I remember those tall aliens from Mars that escaped. Supposedly one of those races was Bigfoot. They came here, they, uh, evolved.

• 2:30:56Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 2:30:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's part of that story.

• 2:30:58Shawn Ryan?

  That's the origin story, huh?

• 2:31:00Speaker 04

  That's, that, that's one of them. Uh, Bigfoot is in, every culture has, has giants with hair.

• 2:31:06Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 2:31:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, native cultures. I mean, there's a Tibetan Yeti, native cultures, and there's the Lovelock giants with the red hair, Bigfoot Sasquatches from up north. Yeah, they all have it. Even, uh, they even had the Kandahar giant for a while, but I, I think I debunked that. People didn't like that, but they all have that same story. I just, I don't get into Bigfoot or the cryptids, the weird animals. They don't excite me. I, I'm, I just want to see a decent photo of one of these.

• 2:31:37Shawn Ryan?

  What do people think?

• 2:31:38Speaker 04

  They think it's real. I mean, my audience loves Bigfoot and Mothman and Jersey Devil and, you know, werewolves, the, the Dogman of Michigan, all the cryptids down in Antarctica. They love these weird monsters.

• 2:31:53Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, if they think it's real, where, where is it?

• 2:31:56Speaker 04

  He can walk between dimensions, so.

• 2:31:58Shawn Ryan?

  Walk between, that's what, that's the, okay.

• 2:32:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, so.

• 2:32:02Shawn Ryan?

  Like through a portal or something?

• 2:32:04Speaker 04

  Portals or just phase in and out of dimensions. But if you have that kind of technology, I don't know why you're just naked, covered in hair in the woods if you can phase between dimensions.

• 2:32:15Shawn Ryan?

  It's supposedly a technology that he, that it has.

• 2:32:19Speaker 04

  Uh, Native Americans don't think so. They think it's something that they can just do. And that's why we can't see them is because they don't want us to see them. So, but I've never seen a picture of Bigfoot that wasn't blurry. You know, there's the, uh, the Gimli Patterson film is, is still not debunked. It's a pretty good one. It's that famous one where the Bigfoot's walking across the, uh, that lake, looks back over, over at the guy in the camera. Uh, so that's the Patterson film. It's, looks really great. Uh, that film hasn't fully been debunked, but those guys did hoax a Bigfoot film not too long before that. So that hurts the story. No, people don't really talk about that.

• 2:33:03Speaker 04

  They talk about, whoa, it's Patterson Gimli. It's like, well, those guys kind of hoaxed it before though. And most of the tracks that have been found, those, they've all been hoaxed. I don't think there's any legit tracks to my knowledge. Ah, people are gonna hate this, cause people love Bigfoot, it's just adorable. I don't get into it. I saw one video during one of my Bigfoot things that was, some, some guys were skiing up in the mountains. And they're like, what the hell is that down there? And down in the valley is something big and humanoid that is running through the snow uphill faster than any man can. And I said, that's the most compelling video I have ever seen of Bigfoot.

• 2:33:44Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 2:33:45Speaker 04

  I couldn't explain it. And I don't, I don't, can't really find that one again. So maybe it's been debunked, but it's a good one.

• 2:33:51Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 2:33:52Speaker 04

  Want to find that.

• 2:33:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see it just show my kids.

• 2:33:59Speaker 04

  Do you believe in Bigfoot?

• 2:34:00Shawn Ryan?

  Do I believe in Bigfoot? No.

• 2:34:02Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 2:34:04Shawn Ryan?

  No. Not at all.

• 2:34:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 2:34:07Shawn Ryan?

  But I think it's fun to tease my kids with it.

• 2:34:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:34:11Shawn Ryan?

  So. How about? All right, we're wrapping up the interview here.

• 2:34:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:34:17Shawn Ryan?

  Secret societies.

• 2:34:19Speaker 04

  I believe in those, those, I mean, that's no question those existed. Um. The Illuminati was a real group in the late 18th century. Founded by, uh. Adam Beisbaut, I think it's his name. Created a secret society and one of the things he was trying to do was infiltrate the Masons, which he did. And at its height, it had about 3,000 members. And they had the whole thing, this.

• 2:34:46Shawn Ryan?

  The Masons or the Illuminati?

• 2:34:48Speaker 04

  Illuminati wanted to, the Masons had a ton of members.

• 2:34:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:34:52Speaker 04

  So the Illuminati was a smaller group. They wanted to. They really just wanted to get Masons to come over is kind of what it was. But they did have the secret handshakes, the symbolism, all of that. Their, their symbol was the, uh, the owl of Minerva, which became the symbol of Bohemian Grove. You've heard of that crazy place?

• 2:35:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:12Speaker 04

  So Bohemian, Bohemian Grove has a giant owl where they burned someone in effigy every time they're up there. Uh. The original Illuminati had, had that owl. That's, they definitely had it. You can even see on the back, I think.

• 2:35:29Shawn Ryan?

  Like the same owl, they had the same owl?

• 2:35:31Speaker 04

  It's the owl of Minerva is the famous, you know, it's a famous owl from ancient Greek, I believe. That's a sort of can see everything. I don't know if they call it, they have a different name for it in Bohemian Grove. But if you look on the back of the $1 bill in the upper right, you can need a magnifying glass, under that curve, you will see a tiny, tiny owl on the back of a dollar bill. Hardly anyone knows it's there. The back of the dollar bill is covered with crazy symbols. You know, you got, you got the all seeing eye above the broken pyramid. And then, um. Novo sort of secularum, you know, new world order, which is not what that means. But there's all kinds of stuff back there. The number three, 33 is all over the place.

• 2:36:15Speaker 04

  And, um. Washington DC was laid out by, uh, Les Enfant, who's famously laid out Washington DC. But he was a big time Mason. So there's a lot of that symbolism there. And when the George Washington Monument was dedicated, it was dedicated by the Masons and inside this all, it was a Mason ceremony. That was the dedication. So all kinds of Mason stuff in there, Mason stuff in the Denver airport. Most of the founding fathers are Masons.

• 2:36:42Shawn Ryan?

  But just looking at the roads in DC, I remember I looked, I was looking at a map, uh, where I was, I don't know, one of the times I was there and I was like, what the hell is up with the design of these roads?

• 2:36:54Speaker 04

  Right? It's a terrible city to drive in. Uh. Yeah.

• 2:36:58Shawn Ryan?

  It's all like pyramids and.

• 2:37:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, because they were obsessed with that stuff with the ancient, ancient Greeks and ancient Sparta. And they were obsessed with the symbolism, the Masonic symbolism. So you've got a lot of triangles, things are built around threes.

• 2:37:13Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, why? What is that? What it like, what is it?

• 2:37:16Speaker 04

  Because it's, it's close to the divine. These are, the geometry is, it's divine geometry. It's sacred geometry is what they call it. The number three is a sacred number. You know, that's the highest level in, in Masonry, right? It's 33rd level. It's just all symbolism. And again, I, and I said this when I've covered it, I don't get it. I don't, I don't get why people join the Masons. But I don't look down on people for doing it. You know, I'm just not a joiner. I don't join clubs and groups and stuff, but I definitely understand why people do. I totally get why people do, especially these days where, you know, joining groups is really looked down on. I get it. It's just not my thing. You know, secret handshakes and stuff. Weird to me, but.

• 2:38:01Speaker 04

  You know, I, I've hung out with Masons, I've had them on my show and they're great.

• 2:38:05Shawn Ryan?

  What's with the one eye thing with the Illuminati?

• 2:38:08Speaker 04

  The Illuminati is that's the all seeing eye. That's on the back of the dollar bill as well, above the pyramid.

• 2:38:12Shawn Ryan?

  What is that supposed to mean?

• 2:38:14Speaker 04

  It's supposed to be able to see everything. Some people think it's the eye of Horus, but I don't think so. I think it's the all seeing eye.

• 2:38:20Shawn Ryan?

  What's the eye of Horus?

• 2:38:21Speaker 04

  Um, that's from ancient Egypt, another eye. So if you look up celebrities, celebrities doing the all seeing eye, you'll find magazine covers and album covers of very famous people covering one eye. And you'll find it, you'll find a hundred of them. You'll, Beyonce, like big stars, just all covering one eye. I don't know why they're doing it. But you'll see all of that. So that just fuels the conspiracy is that they're in on it. There's just, it's the one eye. People should be looking it up right now and it'll blow your mind. Just pages of it.

• 2:38:59Shawn Ryan?

  Are they up to no good? I mean, that's the rumor that they control the world, right?

• 2:39:05Speaker 04

  That, that is, I mean, I lean toward that there is a group of people that control the world that's above our governments. I do lean that way. Bilderberg, Council for Foreign Relations, those types of groups that, uh, once you get in there, suddenly there's Democrats, Republicans, Labor.

• 2:39:24Shawn Ryan?

  What are those groups? What did you say?

• 2:39:26Speaker 04

  Bilderberg Group? Council for Foreign Relations? Where you'll have, uh, people on the far left and people on the far right, all getting together, getting along.

• 2:39:35Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:39:37Speaker 04

  And for some reason, a lot of American presidents before being elected end up getting invited to Bilderberg and then.

• 2:39:46Shawn Ryan?

  They're made.

• 2:39:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think, I think Hillary was way out ahead of Obama before he was invited to Bilderberg, but that was the end of her lead. And, uh. And Bill Clinton was invited there as well. Just so happens. We don't know what goes on in there. They're not allowed to discuss it. So I think there's something to that.

• 2:40:09Shawn Ryan?

  Do you, I mean, I've always heard way before any of this, like. I remember when I was like contractor and overseas. People would be reading these books telling me the like, I can't remember the number, nine people, seven people, five.

• 2:40:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:40:27Shawn Ryan?

  You know, control the world is, do you think there's any truth to that? I mean, now I'm like, yeah, I could see it.

• 2:40:32Speaker 04

  I can see it.

• 2:40:33Shawn Ryan?

  I could definitely see it.

• 2:40:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so.

• 2:40:36Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think we know these people?

• 2:40:39Speaker 04

  I think we know.

• 2:40:40Shawn Ryan?

  We've heard of them.

• 2:40:40Speaker 04

  Some of them are. I think we know who some of them are. Like Klaus Strab and some of these guys, I think Larry Fink, I think. I think we know who some of them are. You know, someone like Larry Fink controls more assets under management, at management than most countries have. You know, that's one guy. So we talk about these billionaires, Elon Musk is worth $200 billion and stuff. That's a lot. Larry Fink controls trillions of dollars, trillion, trillions of dollars. You can, you can influence geopolitics with, with not a, not a trillion, trillions of dollars. We, we all own stuff that he manages. You know, BlackRock and Vanguard, all of that.

• 2:41:25Speaker 04

  Everyone owns Vanguard. I own a ton of Vanguard stuff because that's what's, that's what's there. Um. You know, I try not to invest specifically in their pet causes like green this or green that, I don't do any of that. But, uh. But they have more power than governments do. But most people don't know who those people are that I mentioned.

• 2:41:49Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you, do you think that there is another class that's even? That's totally, you know? Nobody knows about?

• 2:42:01Speaker 04

  You know, to connect it to the lizard people, one reason why that story, lizard people's story kind of got, it got hijacked in the late eighties, early nineties. Because I don't, I don't want to name the researcher, but lizard people fans know who I'm talking about. Got, it just got connected with antisemitism, like the Rothschild family and all of that. And it's one of the reasons I don't do the lizard people is because I, you know, I'm a New Yorker, half my family's Jewish. I'm not, I'm not really down for antisemitism. I don't want to promote it. Um. So it's got wrapped up with that. But according to the legend, yes, above everything is this group of reptilians who were actually the bankers that control everything.

• 2:42:44Speaker 04

  Cause we've got these banks that all the other major banks have to report to. And some people are in charge of those.

• 2:42:52Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Well, AJ, what's next for you? What are you excited about?

• 2:42:57Speaker 04

  See, I've got episodes coming up. I have a cool UFO story that's undebunkable. Uh, the UFO, Soviet UFO program is super fun. And I'm working on something where the Titanic did not sink. That's going to be fun too. Plugs, we have a board game coming out that in pre-play, people are having a lot of fun at the conventions, playing the Wi-Fi's board game that's coming up soon.

• 2:43:20Shawn Ryan?

  When's that coming out?

• 2:43:21Speaker 04

  Soon. I don't, you know, I don't pay that close a dudge to it. It's called, uh, Wi-Fi, Wi-Fi is declassified.com. You can learn more about it.

• 2:43:28Shawn Ryan?

  That's cool, man. That's cool. Well, AJ. It's awesome to have you, man.

• 2:43:34Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 2:43:34Shawn Ryan?

  You're doing great. Like, it's awesome to see. Came here with an idea, doing a podcast, now you're just crushing it. So, congrats.

• 2:43:44Speaker 04

  Thanks, man.

• 2:43:44Shawn Ryan?

  Thanks for coming.

• 2:43:59Shawn Ryan?

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