#125 Gina Carano - Disney Crumbles After Mandalorian Star Uses Beep, Bop, Boop for Pronouns

Gina Carano is an actor and former mixed martial artist. Her fighting career rose to critical acclaim in the mid 2000's when she competed in Elite Xtreme Combat and Strikeforce, boasting a 7–1 record. After retiring from her fighting career, Carano took Hollywood by storm, landing roles in Fast & Furious 6, Deadpool, and Disney's The Mandalorian. Her time in the spotlight would be cut short when Lucasfilm announced in February 2021 that Carano would not appear in future Star Wars episodes following a series of controversial posts she made to social media. Despite enormous pressure and public scrutiny, Carano has stood firm by her beliefs and paved the way for a new career independent of Hollywood agendas. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://babbel.com/srs https://betterhelp.com/shawn https://shopify.com/shawn https://hillsdale.edu/srs https://blackbuffalo.com https://ShawnLikesGold.com | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Gina Carano Links: IG - https://www.instagram.com/ginajcarano Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/ginacarano X - https://x.com/ginacarano Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the HouseMajorityPact.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Mr. President? My company tore me of the explosion on our rig.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  On October 2nd.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Tom Cruise is.

• 0:40Speaker 03

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  From the director of Birdman and the Revenant.

• 0:46Speaker 04

  What would happen if I stopped drilling? You stall, you freeze to death, that's what.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 0:53Speaker 04

  I'm not the first then.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a minute without parent.

• 1:06Shawn Ryan?

  Gina Carano, welcome to the show.

• 1:08Speaker 06

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 1:10Shawn Ryan?

  It's an honor to have you here. Man, we've been going back and forth for, I think, since last December.

• 1:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17Shawn Ryan?

  So, been a long time coming, but I'm very happy you're here and thank you for making the time to come on.

• 1:25Speaker 06

  Thank you for being so patient. It feels like, I don't know, when January hit, it just felt like it's been nonstop since then. I don't know if it feels like that for anybody else, but I was on the shelf for a couple of years and then bam, January hit and it's, I feel like I'm gone every two weeks.

• 1:43Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45Speaker 06

  But...

• 1:45Shawn Ryan?

  So you've been busy.

• 1:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, I've been busy, which is a great thing. I love being busy. But I've been watching you for a long time and just seeing how, just how wonderful you're doing. And I don't even know you, but I really, I like your demeanor. I like how you speak to people. I like the questions you ask and it seems like a very comfortable, nice...

• 2:12Speaker 06

  Podcast you got here.

• 2:13Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. That means a, that means a lot. I really appreciate that. And I'm just so happy that you're here. So I'm gonna start off with an introduction here. So Gina Carano, you're an American actress and former mixed martial artist. You were a trailblazer for women in MMA, being the first ever sanctioned female MMA bout. You had a fighting record of seven wins, one loss, zero ties. You started major movies such as Haywire, Deadpool, Fast and the Furious 6, The Mandalorian, and The Terror on the Prairie. Unlawfully fired into fame by Disney for speaking out and holding your ground on the LGBTQ agenda,

• 2:56Shawn Ryan?

  COVID, and election fraud. And with help from Elon Musk's lawyers, you are currently in a suit with Disney to get your story out. You've become a prominent voice for free speech. You are a wife, a Christian, and now a Montana resident.

• 3:16Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm almost a wife.

• 3:18Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah, almost a wife.

• 3:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, we should, we should be having a ceremony.

• 3:24Shawn Ryan?

  Well, congratulations.

• 3:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, soon, hopefully. I mean.

• 3:28Shawn Ryan?

  When's that happening?

• 3:31Speaker 06

  Um, I don't know. It might happen next year. We're, um, we're presently, we, we had to kind of uproot our lives from living in LA in an unsafe environment. And, um, we moved into an RV and we traveled to Tennessee, Nashville, Tennessee, to possibly live here. And in my head, I was thinking I was gonna end up working for the Daily Wire and we're gonna do a movie together and we were gonna get this whole, you know, other Hollywood started for conservatives or for not just conservatives, but for anybody who just didn't want to kind of bend on the morals. And so I thought I was gonna end up here. And then,

• 4:19Speaker 06

  And I really, I want to make this clear. The Daily Wire gave me a wonderful, Ben Shapiro gave me a wonderful phone call as soon as I was canceled. And he had said, you know, you need to punch back. You can't take this lying down. And they had this big, long list of like, you know, joining their company at that time, a big contract. And that was a little too much for me. And I was like, why don't we just start with a movie? And so when I got into the RV and traveled across like, you know, I took my time because letting go of where I'd lived for 15 plus years in LA,

• 5:01Speaker 06

  you know, you kind of have to reintegrate yourself into your new life. And so I sold the house, bought the RV, have no idea how to drive an RV. Figured it out on the way. And it's like, it's like the legit one, you know, like it's all connected.

• 5:19Shawn Ryan?

  You got the big boy.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:20Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 5:21Speaker 06

  Yeah. And so.

• 5:24Shawn Ryan?

  Well, how long did it take you to learn how to drive the RV?

• 5:26Speaker 06

  Well, this lady was like driving us out of California. And we also had a U-Haul. So Kevin Ross, who's my guy, he was driving the U-Haul with all of our stuff. We gave most of our stuff away and he was driving the U-Haul with most of our stuff. We were headed to Arizona just to drop off the U-Haul before we went to Nashville. Well, this lady, I was trying to learn from her. Like, you know, she drove us to the border and I was like trying to learn from her. And she just was like, honey, you're just gonna have to figure this out yourself, you know? And I was like, a big smoker, she's like, it'll be fine. It's not that bad. And I was like, shit, like, can you tell me what this button does? Like, can you tell me what this does?

• 6:10Speaker 06

  And I just like, was like trying to pick her brain, but she didn't want to have any conversation. She just wanted to do her job to get us to the border. And I was like, all right, well, we pulled over in a Walmart. She unhooked her car from our RV and Kevin's looking at me and he's like, well, you want me to drive? And like, I've driven horse trailers and I've driven a lot of, you know, we've moved ourselves so many times in life. I'm like, I'm not afraid of this thing. I just need to get in the seat.

• 6:37Shawn Ryan?

  I just need to know what this button does.

• 6:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 06

  And so that first day, I drove thirteen hours um to get to Prescott, Arizona. And there was a monsoon happening and like the streets were a mess. And I was just like, yeah, that this would happen to me.

• 6:56Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 6:57Speaker 06

  But it was um, it was great, though. It was a learning, it was like the hardest learning curve of how do you drive an RV? And then we drove that RV across um to come to Nashville, Tennessee. And it felt like the whole entire time a storm was following me. Like, I remember we started, we, you know, it was like around tornado season, whenever that is. But um, it just felt like there was a storm following us the entire time. And we went and we came out to Nashville and and we got on this this lake. Um, and we parked, you know, I always like to be right on the, or not lake, it was a river. We parked down on the river. And, you know, it looked like people had lived there like full time.

• 7:42Speaker 06

  And we parked down on this river and we stayed there for about two weeks. And then um, I was going into town in Nashville and speaking with the Daily Wire. And then an Uber driver would bring me back out. And um, then we were finally going to get into our Airbnb that we were supposed to be in for six months. Well, the day we moved out of that RV spot, it started to trickle down rain at seven AM. And I was like, wow, this is uh, okay, this is awesome. Okay, so we're leaving now, it's gonna rain. Cut to the Uber driver calling me later on that day. And he's like, hey, I don't want to be unprofessional here, but are you okay? And I was like, what are you talking about? Um, yeah, we just moved into our Airbnb, we're great.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  And he said, the place that you were at is underwater right now. And I was like, oh, oh, okay. And that was that big flood that you guys had.

• 8:35Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  And um, you know, when you saw those RV Mm hmm. floating down the river, I was parked next to that RV.

• 8:45Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 8:46Speaker 06

  And some of those RVs that were flying and like the path that we walked the days before was completely underwater. Um, so it was really, it was a God thing as well.

• 8:57Shawn Ryan?

  Some divine intervention happening.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, because we wouldn't have had any idea and we would have lost the only home at that point we had.

• 9:04Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  So we moved into the Airbnb and had the conversation with the Daily Wire because at that time they were talking about SAG after the union for actors and, um, and everybody else, they were talking about mandating the vaccine. And what would have happened is had we started shooting this, uh, it was called White Knuckle and it was about a trucker. Who was this, um, it was a cool, you know, like it would have totally been a hit kind of movie. A serial killer and, um, we would have needed, needed that to be union because of the stunts that, you know, were involved.

• 9:44Speaker 06

  And they said, um, the Daily Wire said, look, you know, we hate that this is our first meeting with you.

• 9:53Speaker 06

  I mean, you just drove across country here, but we would need you to sign a contract that said that if SAG came to our set and demanded that everybody on that set was vaccinated, that you would, um, comply with getting vaccinated. And I was like, just absolutely, and they know it, brokenhearted, just completely thrashed internally, you know? Just, this is everything I was standing against. And then I should, I moved my entire life in my RV over thinking, now I'm going to find my, my people and I'm going to, you know, and this is the first meeting.

• 10:39Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 10:40Speaker 06

  And so, um, and they're not bad people. They just, they had to present me with the facts. And the fact is, we can do a four million dollar movie, have it be, um, a SAG union, uh, you know, hit, basically. Cause it was a great script and Jeremy, Jeremy Boring is like, uh, he's a genius. Um, so he had been working on the script and it was turning into something really special.

• 11:10Speaker 06

  And I just went home to the RV place because we're still there. And I was like, this, just in tears, just like, I moved away from this. I thought we were starting something different. And, uh, very heartbroken. And then I went in for the second meeting and I told them, I'm just not willing to do that. Because who, who then would we hire? And they didn't want to do it either. They just had to present the facts to me. And they, I was like, who then would we hire? And they said, well, we'd hired only vaccinated people besides you. And I said, I feel like this is everything I'm standing against.

• 11:54Speaker 06

  So I guess no is the answer. And is there another option? And Dallas Sonier, he was like, yes, well, there is another option. And he said, we're gonna, how about we just go up and make this, this western that we all like? Because Dallas is really great at making westerns. Even though he didn't want to do another western, he was like, well. And they automatically pivoted. And they're like, okay, we'll pivot, we'll go up to Montana, we'll make this western. It's not the movie we're planning on making, but we'll make it. We're gonna only be able to make it for, you know, $2 million, which with, I don't know,

• 12:34Speaker 06

  horses and babies and, uh, the, you know, Montana's big landscape and having to deal with all of that is pretty low budget.

• 12:43Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:44Speaker 06

  Um, but we went up there and we shot Terry on the Prairie while everything was closed down or they were mandating all of this stuff. We didn't mandate masks. They started to try to do COVID tests and I was like, no, I'm not doing this. Nobody has to wear a mask. Nobody has to do COVID tests. I'm not complying with any of this. You're not sticking this up everybody's nose. If they don't want to do it, they don't have to. Um, and we're gonna have a free set. And, um, you know, we had a free set and it was a bunch of us delinquents, a bunch of us kind of like outliers out there freezing in November and, you know,

• 13:27Speaker 06

  but it was a pre Montana. And we became a bit, a big family out there and, um, you know, made a beautiful Western, but had to take the hit on not making a big blockbuster, kind of like, it wasn't the bang I feel like, you know, Ben Shapiro and Jeremy and all of them really wanted to get, you know, make their statement, but it was the right thing to do.

• 13:54Shawn Ryan?

  Man, you've got a history of standing by your word and it's just, you know, there's basically, nobody does that anymore. And especially people in your position and, man, it's just, you're just such a great example, you know, to people.

• 14:12Speaker 06

  Well, I'm.

• 14:13Shawn Ryan?

  Coming up and, and who are in there still who are looking for some courage. And just thank you for being that way.

• 14:22Speaker 06

  Thank you. I mean, I'm a complete, you know, human being with such incredible flaws, everywhere. And I wouldn't put me on any pedestal or I don't want people to.

• 14:41Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 14:42Speaker 06

  I, I think that the world has gone so far, um, into sickness, that just when somebody's just regularly kind of thinking healthier or more logically, that's actually an act of courage. And, um,

• 15:03Speaker 06

  And then I was like, well, you know, I've been through a lot. I feel like we all have been through so much. But, you know, I wasn't pressured when I was a little girl. I wasn't pressured. I have to thank my mom for being my leader in this. Like, don't sacrifice yourself, you know, value yourself. And so I wasn't pressured by Hollywood. I've never, never.

• 15:33Shawn Ryan?

  You weren't pressured, or the pressure didn't affect you?

• 15:38Speaker 06

  I wasn't, I never sacrificed myself to get a job. I never, I never, I never had the me too moment. I mean, I've had awful moments that would have been considered like, yeah, that was extremely inappropriate on their part. But I wasn't a participant.

• 16:01Speaker 06

  So I just really held on, held on to, you know, my agent and manager at the time used to get so upset with me because they're like, Gina, you're always saying no. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm not doing that. So it just kind of stuck. My fight name, actually, in MMA was Conviction. So that's kind of stuck.

• 16:26Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Now, more than ever, we need someone on our side. But Rob Whitman? Whitman's votes drove up costs, cut Medicaid, and risked 350,000 Virginians' health care to pay for tax breaks for himself and his donors. He's not on our side. Shannon Taylor will fight corruption, cut taxes, and bring down costs. This November, vote for Shannon Taylor. She's for us. Paid for by HMP, the HouseMajorityPac.com. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Mr. President, my company informed me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all keep the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Digger got us into this mess. And Digger's gonna dig us up.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  What would happen if I stopped drilling? You're stalled, you're freezing there, that's what.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  I'm not the first then.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  Digger. See the trailer online, only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not a minute without parent.

• 17:27Speaker 06

  And I pray to God, you know, that it does stick. Continually through my life, you know. I have plenty of awful stories I could tell you about myself, you know, but um. But I feel like I'm on the up and up. And finally, I was wondering when maturity would kick in. I was thinking it would like, oh, thirties, yeah, anytime, but it really honestly didn't kick in till forty. I was a late bloomer.

• 17:55Shawn Ryan?

  I'm still waiting. But um, so how did you wind up in Montana? And was it that set?

• 18:03Speaker 06

  Because of the, we were supposed to shoot the White Knuckle, uh, the Daily White Knuckle, SAG Union, all of that in Nashville, in Tennessee area.

• 18:16Speaker 06

  They, the, the director, um, he knew, he, he was from Montana. And so we went up to Montana and we ended up shooting up in Montana and I fell in love with it. I fell in love with Pre Montana. Had seen twenty-five states at that time. You know, just by traveling in Nashville and taking our time. And then like traveling back and just seeing like all these states. And then when I got to Montana, I just looked at this big open sky and I was like, I can breathe here and I feel safe here. You know, I felt, I feel safe in Montana. And the people are so, they don't do, they don't, they're not gonna make it easy on you like, oh, you want horses?

• 19:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, you're gonna learn how to handle your own horses. And um, it's just been such a learning. I mean, it's kind of funny because I come out here and I'll get dressed up and, you know, but when I go back home, I'm shoveling, you know, horse stuff and trying to figure out how to, how to get into these horses, like trust area.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  And take care of them. And then the chickens are a whole nother thing.

• 19:30Shawn Ryan?

  So you're doing the whole thing out there.

• 19:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:32Shawn Ryan?

  You got a little, you got a ranch?

• 19:34Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, it's a little, a little ranch. Trying to figure out the weeds. I love my John Deere Zero Turn. It's one of my favorite things ever. I freaking love it. Never been on a, I mean, in the, never done any of this. I mean, I used to ride horses when I was little, but my poor stepdad did, did all the work. Now I'm doing the work and Kevin's doing the work. And I love getting on that John Deere. And just like trying to figure out, how can I make this look pretty? Without all of this dead grass hanging around? Cause we get that, that long grass that goes up to your like waist.

• 20:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 06

  And I always get stuck and I've almost flipped it a couple of times because the damn thing like, you know, catches on the branches and I just, all my neighbors probably just look at me like, good lord, everybody thinks we should have a reality show just based on me.

• 20:23Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I love Montana. I, I just love it out west. They've done.

• 20:28Speaker 06

  It's calm.

• 20:29Shawn Ryan?

  A great job of, uh, land conservation.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:32Shawn Ryan?

  You know, cause here, man, I don't, I don't know how much you recognize it, but this place, Nashville area, Franklin, like.

• 20:44Speaker 06

  Well, it seems like, uh, I was just in Knoxville. It seems like they have conserved a lot of land there.

• 20:49Shawn Ryan?

  That's good.

• 20:51Speaker 06

  I mean, just flying in, I was like, there's trees and there's, Knoxville looks pretty nice.

• 20:58Shawn Ryan?

  They are turning this into a concrete jungle over here. It's pretty sad.

• 21:02Speaker 06

  Nashville kind of reminds me of old school Vegas. Like a western, old school Vegas. Cause my family, I'm a Nevada girl, even though I was born in Dallas. Um, but Nashville feels like, uh, what my papa must have seen. My papa Jackie's my grandfather. He passed, um, last year. And it must've been what he would've seen when he moved from Ardmore, Oklahoma, to Las Vegas and just had this little tiny strip. And, uh, he, he actually got into the gas station business.

• 21:36Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, really?

• 21:37Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. So he borrowed five thousand dollars from my grandmother's mom.

• 21:43Speaker 06

  Mama Cobb and got a partner and they got this gas station. And then the hotels started going up all around them. And so the hotels, you know, some of the mafiosos, they they didn't like that, you know, people were coming over to the gas station to get gas and to, you know, get the convenience store, which my grandma was smart enough to say buy the land. So they put up a wire fence so that it would make it all the way through to the sidewalk. And so my papa had to go over there and ask them to take the wire fence down and had to do a deal with them. And they said, okay,

• 22:25Speaker 06

  we'll take the wire fence down as long as we can put slot machines in your gas stations. And so they bartered there.

• 22:32Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding?

• 22:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. That was like 75 years ago when they moved there.

• 22:40Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that's crazy.

• 22:42Speaker 06

  And then the other family was in Reno, Nevada, getting into the casino business. So both of my grandfathers are quite, um, yeah, I'm a Nevada girl.

• 22:53Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding?

• 22:54Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 22:54Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I want to dig into your childhood, but first, everybody on the show gets a gift.

• 23:02Speaker 06

  Another gift?

• 23:03Shawn Ryan?

  Another gift.

• 23:04Speaker 06

  It's like chocolate.

• 23:05Shawn Ryan?

  Any guesses?

• 23:07Speaker 06

  Um, coffee?

• 23:08Shawn Ryan?

  No, no.

• 23:12Speaker 06

  What is this?

• 23:13Shawn Ryan?

  Those are Vigilance League gummy bears.

• 23:15Speaker 06

  Oh, very cool.

• 23:16Shawn Ryan?

  Made in the USA. They're still legal in all 50 states.

• 23:20Speaker 06

  What are they, uh, weed gummy bears?

• 23:24Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 23:24Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 23:24Shawn Ryan?

  They're just gummy bears.

• 23:25Speaker 06

  Just gummy.

• 23:26Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody thinks that. We had somebody email in saying they're on their fifth bag and they don't feel anything.

• 23:33Shawn Ryan?

  And my, I have, I had Vivek on. You know Vivek?

• 23:37Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, I love him.

• 23:39Shawn Ryan?

  And he ripped one open immediately and started eating them.

• 23:42Speaker 06

  I don't know him personally, so I can't say I love him, but I just, I appreciate his voice.

• 23:45Shawn Ryan?

  I do too. I really like that guy.

• 23:48Speaker 06

  Smart man, seems like.

• 23:50Shawn Ryan?

  He dove right in and I said, yeah, the effects of those will kick in here in about 30 minutes.

• 23:55Speaker 06

  I'm gonna try one. I'll try one. This is very cool. So why did you decide that you wanted gummy bears?

• 24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man, it's a long story. But so I told you downstairs, I was in a tactical training business for a while. And I always kind of look at the market and see what everybody's doing. And then I do the opposite. And so everybody in that game was, it was all protein shakes and chicken breasts and funnest for pussies. And I was like, man, I like junk food, so.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 24:31Shawn Ryan?

  This is what we're doing. And then I was gonna make CBD gummies. And my marketer told me, don't do that. You'll get sued like Jewel for marketing to kids. So I said, fine, we'll just do regular gummy bears.

• 24:43Speaker 06

  Oh, really?

• 24:44Shawn Ryan?

  Cause I love gummy bears.

• 24:44Speaker 06

  Jewel got sued for that?

• 24:45Shawn Ryan?

  I guess. I guess.

• 24:48Speaker 06

  That's like unfortunate.

• 24:49Shawn Ryan?

  So that's how that came about.

• 24:51Speaker 06

  You should have her on.

• 24:53Shawn Ryan?

  I would love to have her on.

• 24:54Speaker 06

  Jewel, we think you're wonderful. Come on on.

• 24:57Shawn Ryan?

  Absolutely.

• 24:58Speaker 06

  He's a wonderful man.

• 25:00Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. But, but yeah, so I just, I think we should do a life story. And then towards when we get to that point, we'll talk all about Disney and, and all the great stuff they're doing these days.

• 25:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 06

  Those hard hitting shows that are really.

• 25:22Shawn Ryan?

  Man, but, but yeah, so where did you grow up?

• 25:26Speaker 06

  I was born in Dallas, Texas. I was lived there for one and two years old. My dad played for the Dallas Cowboys, backup quarterback to Roger Staubach. So he didn't see a lot of playing time, but he did play at Thanksgiving and he did well. He was a quarterback at UNLV and until Randall Cunningham broke his records. So he had a, he was quite an athletic, awesome human being, very charismatic, like.

• 26:00Speaker 06

  It's so funny, he has this big Afro and he's like, very like, they look like nor- like, I think it's northern Italians, like darker Italians. Although, you know, he has a lot more Italian than I do, but are, you know, it's ob- it's obviously like going away. You know, the more, I got southern from Ardmore, Oklahoma, and then I've got Italian from my papadon, Corona.

• 26:26Speaker 06

  So, yeah, he, uh, he was playing for the Las Cowboys, so we lived there. And I was born there, um, while a tornado was trying to touch down while I was being born.

• 26:41Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 26:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I always feel like a storm is chasing me.

• 26:46Speaker 06

  I have a thing with weather. I have a very, a sensitivity to weather.

• 26:54Speaker 06

  And then, um, then we moved to Nevada after he retired. Well, we moved to Pittsburgh because they started a whole new, um, smaller league that didn't last, and so we lived there for two years. And then we moved to Nevada and he joined the rest of his, um, family in the hotel business.

• 27:10Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, good.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  And so that was Reno, Nevada. Lived there till I was eight. And then my mom's, who had, uh, she was raised in, born in Las Vegas with my Papa Jack, who I told you about, the gas stations. And so we moved to, um, Las Vegas and, yeah, we grew up in Las Vegas, which is not somewhere I would suggest is raising children.

• 27:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, what, um, and you have two sisters?

• 27:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:40Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you fall in line?

• 27:41Speaker 06

  Um, where do you think I fall in line? So I look like a first, middle or child, or like a baby.

• 27:48Shawn Ryan?

  First.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  Really?

• 27:53Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 27:55Shawn Ryan?

  I say that because of the leadership.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Oh, well, that would be a longer story, but I'm the middle.

• 28:02Shawn Ryan?

  You're in the middle, child?

• 28:03Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:03Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding?

• 28:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:05Shawn Ryan?

  Definitely wouldn't have guessed that.

• 28:06Speaker 06

  I see things from all directions.

• 28:10Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:11Shawn Ryan?

  Right on. What kind of stuff were you into as a kid?

• 28:15Speaker 06

  Um, well, getting into trouble. Um, me and my older sister, we just had a... She loved, she's this like free spirit. And she just wanted to learn about what she was missing out on in life, I guess. You'd have to ask her. But she, we lived out in the middle, like thirty, forty-five minutes outside of town. Well, now there's all those houses out there. So she loved to sneak out every night. And then, um, I had a best friend, Michelle, who's still a good friend. And we would, you know, fish for forties, which were strangely like easy to get from people from like seven elevens.

• 28:56Shawn Ryan?

  Fish for what?

• 28:58Speaker 06

  Forty, forties?

• 28:59Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 29:00Speaker 06

  Like forty ounces of, um...

• 29:02Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 29:02Speaker 06

  Beer.

• 29:03Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 29:04Speaker 06

  And, um, Old English, actually, which I tried it a couple of years ago. And I cannot believe we used to drink that. So hard. I mean, destroyed my, myself. I mean, we would get our forties and then, uh, a couple of times, like me and my friend Michelle, we would like climb up the back, you know, and like try to figure out how to jump up to get to that or like build something to get to that ladder and then get on top of the, you know, seven eleven. We're all in eighth grade. I know how old you are when you're there. And we just like watch all the drug deals happen below and, you know, we'd be drinking our forties on top of seven eleven.

• 29:44Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  Um, yeah, we got into trouble a lot in my childhood. But then by playing basketball, softball, volleyball, I think um I loved competition. I loved doing that. Um, that was like a release for me. And so um that kept me on the straight and narrow. And so my, we went to a tiny, small Christian school in the middle of Las Vegas, like five minutes away from the strip. And right next to a gay bar and right next to a jewelry um a store that was always getting robbed and across the street from a pool hall. My dad was pissed that this is where my mom wanted to send us to school, but she, you know, she just wanted us to go to a Christian school.

• 30:28Speaker 06

  And um it was a pretty delinquent school with some precious people in it. And um, you know, our, our tires are getting slashed by like the, the middle school next door, you know? So this is kind of like a funny existence.

• 30:45Shawn Ryan?

  No kidding.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, I only graduated with thirty kids, thirty other kids. Um, and so when we started playing basketball, like, I mean, barely anybody knew how to get the ball across, you know, half court and we were getting crushed all the time. And so um, I don't know, I was a natural athlete and I moved myself from a forward because our, our point guard couldn't get the ball when I was in eighth grade. Couldn't, she couldn't get it past half court. And so then I just took over and, you know, um, me and my sister played together for two, two years. She, my older sister was very much more graceful than I was in basketball. I was just like a beast, like

• 31:27Speaker 06

  sometimes I'd, you know, I'd get the top score, or sometimes you would see like, I'm surprised I didn't crush down that poor, you know, basketball hoop. Um, but uh, if anybody fouled my, my, my teammates, like, uh, they were getting fouled.

• 31:44Shawn Ryan?

  There was gonna be hell to pay, huh?

• 31:46Speaker 06

  There was gonna be hell, because they were, you know, my best friend was like this tiny little super aggressive like defense. Her name's Ashley, super aggressive defense. And so they'd like elbow her and she was tiny and she was like, you know, the pastor's daughter and she wouldn't really do anything about it. So then. So then I would like, I would do something about it.

• 32:06Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 32:08Speaker 06

  So I, um, yeah, and we ended up going all the way to state and winning state for single A. This little tiny Christian school.

• 32:15Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  I got my eardrum busted out. They, I think all the, all the mothers were like, ah, you know, from the other teams, like, I thought there was supposed to be a Christian school. Cause we just like, were fighting out there, you know? Traveling around, just trying to fight to try to like, you know, we were just had this very small amount of people on our team. And then, um, I got top score at our state tournament in Reno, Nevada, and we only won, won by one point. It was a, a gift that I could give my grandfather that he was our coach.

• 32:52Speaker 06

  We didn't have outfits. We didn't have, you know, we, he bought us all our outfits new. He bought all of the, um, uh, the male varsity, junior varsity outfits new. He bought, um, UNLV, the massive contributor to sports for UNLV. Cause he was a big believer in sports, saving children's lives. So, um, he was a, he was having us running these plays, these college plays by my senior year. And we, we built up a team. And then at the end, we ended up winning state, which was a victory.

• 33:30Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 33:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, very special. We never, we both, me and my papa, who's now passed, never went back and watched that game. But I was, I was like throwing him from like half court and everybody was like, no, no. And oh, okay, this is good. Okay, it went through.

• 33:47Speaker 06

  And then it was funny, cause I went from point guard and there was this massive middle that just, you know, nobody could defend her. And, um, so I go from point guard back to like, just all, all over this massive, uh, woman. And I, um, I, I shut her down. And so that's why we won. A big reason why we won.

• 34:09Shawn Ryan?

  So, so you were kind of a protector from a super young age?

• 34:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:17Shawn Ryan?

  And it just, you've carried that with you all the way through life?

• 34:21Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, I think after my parents got divorced, um, you know, my sisters are not, you know.

• 34:33Speaker 06

  We needed one. We needed a protector in our home. And who else was gonna do it? And so I, you know, I felt so just internally that I, I am the protector. And I'll protect them. And I tried my hardest.

• 34:59Shawn Ryan?

  When you say, so this started at home. So what did you need a protector from at home?

• 35:06Speaker 06

  Um, we, my older sister had gotten into some extremely heavy drugs, like meth. Well, I tried meth my first time in ninth grade. And, um, you know, it started getting more and more introduced to us. And, um, you know, she, you know, she, she just, you know, I like to respect her privacy, but she just, you know, needed help. And it caused an extremely dangerous upbringing that I know she didn't mean. You know, she's a beautiful person,

• 35:50Speaker 06

  but it, um, it caused me to grow up fast. And I wanted to make sure my little sister didn't experience it like I did. And so, um, I just had to, I had to step up because my mom was torn to pieces. My dad was torn to pieces. My dad lived in a different city and nobody really knew what to do. And I knew, you know, all the friends and I knew all, you know, what was going on. So, um, like her best friend Camille was taken. It was so deep that her best friend Camille was taken out. Um, she got involved, I think,

• 36:32Speaker 06

  in between two of the drug, you know, gangs. And was taken out in the middle of the desert and shot.

• 36:40Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious? Her, your sis, this is your sister's best friend?

• 36:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, when we were in high school. And I remember we used to, in our truck, we used to like drive around in our baby blue truck and, you know, just be wild and just love it. And Camille was so full of life and just, just this is really, you know, was not afraid to throw down and she was all five two.

• 37:04Speaker 06

  And I'm just a beautiful person who, you know, just got wrapped up in drugs and the wrong people that, you know, that, that is Las Vegas and that is childhood to me.

• 37:18Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. How did you find out she was, she got rolled up in the middle of the desert?

• 37:23Speaker 06

  Um, they found her. Yeah. And we got taken, me and, I went with my older sister to the funeral.

• 37:32Speaker 06

  And like, I tell these stories and uh, that's just, I don't know why that was our situation, because I came from a really, well-to-do family after my grandfather's made such a wonderful life. So I have such a different perspective than even my, a lot of my cousins have, you know, I have the perspective of what life can be in this glorious, beautiful, like, you know, rich, you know, rich and famous people. And then I have this other perspective of um, you know, uh, losing so many people to such unnecessary children, like, people in their twenties, I mean, uh, in Las Vegas, just losing them to,

• 38:18Speaker 06

  it usually had to do with drugs. I lost my um, friend Bert, who, that was a tough one. My boyfriend, my ex-boyfriend's brother ended up killing him in the middle of the desert, stabbing him thirty-one times. And um, that Bert used to live with me in my, like, early twenties, like, it was unreal that we were experiencing these kinds of things. And, you know, and that's mild, I think, compared to a lot of what people experience uh, in, in Los Angeles and Chicago. And, you know, but I got a taste of that kind of lifestyle, which um,

• 39:04Speaker 06

  I don't know, I would never raise children. Not that I have any, or I don't know if I plan on having any. But I wouldn't raise them in the city.

• 39:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, that's. Yeah. That's why me and my wife moved out of where we were in Florida for the exact same reasons.

• 39:25Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 39:26Shawn Ryan?

  But, I mean, what, at what age did that kind of exposure to that lifestyle?

• 39:34Speaker 06

  Start?

• 39:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Um. I would say, well. My sister's a, my older sister was a free spirit, so that was from early, you know? Um. But around, I think, after she had moved to college and started coming back, things got pretty serious. Um, around sixteen is when things started really ramping up for me, where I would, you know, take cough syrup and just not have to be up all night. Um, chasing, you know, her around the town. And then I would get that codeine cough syrup and just try to sleep during the day

• 40:19Speaker 06

  and then try to make it to basketball practice or softball practice. And the whole, you know, staff, faculty kind of knew what was going on in my house at that time. So they, um. Yeah, they, the principal at one time, yeah, I got kicked out of English class because I was exhausted. And the principal knew me and knew my situation. So she said, you know, honey, come on in. Just sleep on my couch for a couple hours. So it was a. Yeah, that's when that started.

• 40:55Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  But my, you know, I feel like we have. I'm very sensitive to it, to a severe mental health problem. Um, that is inspired by, uh, you know, taking the innocence of children in whatever way, whether that's sexual or if it's introducing them to drugs and alcohol or whatever it is, um.

• 41:22Speaker 06

  Is that is that gateway. It it it's a problem because if you don't protect children when they're younger and give them a solid base, then they're starting off from um a shaky foundation that doesn't like help them in their life. And so um my older sister, she's a tough one and she's doing good and hopefully. I love you um if she ever watches this and I am proud of everything that she came through. And um I know that she tries every single day and like so much of us do.

• 42:02Speaker 06

  And then my little sister, um I think she got more of like a protected, not perfect, but more of a protected uh uh upbringing, not perfect, but uh so she's actually over like she's a complete opposite. She makes sure that everything's perfect. And she's got three little girls and my older sister's got this adorable little girl, so.

• 42:28Shawn Ryan?

  Are you guys close?

• 42:30Speaker 06

  Um yeah, yeah, but you know, there is that. You have to work with mental, mental health, you know, between all of us, you know, like we have to work on our mental health. And if I've been in bad places, mental health in my life, just like anybody has. Um, you know, and my life could have gone bad in South at one point um multiple times. But mixed martial arts is the thing that brought me uh instead of going the direction that I saw all of these people going in Las Vegas, mixed martial arts put me on the right path. Um and I became addicted to that instead of, you know,

• 43:14Speaker 06

  fishing for forties. Well, by that time I was twenty one.

• 43:19Shawn Ryan?

  So when you, when you say, I mean, was there a specific incident that happened? That made you kind of take the role as a protector within your family? Or was it gradual?

• 43:35Speaker 06

  Um, I think.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  I think some things you just kind of

• 43:45Speaker 06

  all express through art instead of put into words, which is why I like art. Because

• 43:55Speaker 06

  you really can't like

• 43:58Speaker 06

  share without betraying people you care about. And so

• 44:07Speaker 06

  I think I'd rather express those kinds of things through art.

• 44:10Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 44:14Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let me ask you this then, so

• 44:18Shawn Ryan?

  I it's just, I didn't have a childhood like that. And just from doing, you know, these interviews with all kinds of people, you know, um, from all walks of life. What I've realized is

• 44:37Shawn Ryan?

  and and you're part of this testament now is there's so many kids out there that go through sexual trauma, abuse, physical and sexual. I mean, it's it's I I don't have exact numbers, but it's like every guest that comes through here now has been through something as a kid. And, um,

• 45:03Shawn Ryan?

  so I guess what I'm asking is there's there's obviously a ton of kids that are going through similar situations right now with a with a

• 45:14Shawn Ryan?

  with a, you know, a tough home life and going through all kinds of trauma. And so what advice would you have for kids that are going through something similar to that?

• 45:26Speaker 06

  Well, and I can share this because this is, and he has shared it on the Joe Rogan podcast. His name's Kevin Ross. And, um, first of all, I I would like to say my mother and my father and my family are incredible. And, uh, there was no sexual sexual abuse coming from my family. You know, um, my mother and father are wonderful and they did the best they could to protect us. Um, with my mom working jobs and, um,

• 45:59Speaker 06

  Uh, my dad working a heavy job and living in a different city and, you know, um, so they did the absolute best they could. And so when you hear these stories, um, even when I have a dinner with my mom and she, it just, she, she burst into tears because she was the kind of mom that would, you know, you come home, let me smell your breath. And, you know, we're, we're sitting down at the table and we're praying. And even when her and my dad got divorced, it was, we're praying for your father on the way to school. And she was, um, and still is my, she is now my best friend. And is heartbroken to hear, you know, like the, what the world that we kind of,

• 46:42Speaker 06

  me and my older sister kind of like were experiencing. Um, and my dad is just, he's just a wonderful man. He just was a very much workaholic and was getting it done. And being there for his family, which was just hustling. And still hustling, hustling to this day, you know, they, um, are an incredible family. So they, um, are wonderful people and I am blessed to have come from this family of two groups, two different clans of one of the most beautiful, gentle-hearted, amazing people. And so my childhood and becoming the protector, you know,

• 47:26Speaker 06

  uh, they tried their best. And so this can actually happen, I feel like, to people with wonderful families, even if they're broken families, it can have, things can happen, you know, to anybody. And you, you, you're, you're left watching these parents like fall to pieces, like how could this happen? We thought we were, you know, doing the best we could and we're good parents. And, um, and it's not, it's not the parents' fault, you know, because the world is a, a sick world and it grabs a hold of them. Um, but I can tell you of the story of, um, a success story of a sexual abuse which happened to Kevin, who is my, um, heart.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  And he actually grew up in a home that uh he was with his dad, living with his dad, who uh he was living with her around like thirteen, fourteen. And um his dad had a wife who was, you know, somewhere in her thirties. And um his dad was out of town all the time. And so his dad would leave and this woman would give Kevin ecstasy and sexually abuse him for two years. And uh not only was she doing that to, you know, a fourteen year old for two years, then she was doing it also to an eleven year old for two years.

• 48:56Speaker 06

  And um when I look at Kevin and I look at that kind of extreme uh thing that happened to him, it's like he wakes up every day for a long time. It wasn't good, you know, for a long time, he hurt himself a lot. Um and then he found mixed martial arts. And instead of cutting up his body or drinking himself halfway to death or, you know, doing drugs and all of that, he um picked up mixed martial arts and it was nice. Cause his dad was sitting there and he had his, Kevin had his forty in his hand and didn't have any money to pay for classes.

• 49:40Speaker 06

  And his dad was like, seeing how out of control it was getting. And we loved each other so much, you know, at that time I was like twenty one and he was twenty three. And it was getting out of control and well, I'd been out of control. And his dad said, what would it take for you to put down that uh forty? Old English. And um Kevin's like, well, his best friend had died of a heart failure early on. And he said he had promised Mo that he would become a fighter someday. And that's what was the dream. And so um he told his dad, well, if I, if you give me some money to go into mixed martial arts and I'll put this down, you know.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  And if you know forty of Old English or at least back in that time, you had to finish your forty. You don't not finish it, right? And his dad is like, well, then put it down right now. And I'll do that for you. And I'll give you your first, you know,

• 50:42Speaker 06

  money to go and take classes. And it was a hard decision for Kevin, you know. And he put it down, left it there. And, um, you know, had certain bouts in his life where he, you know, experimented with drinking here and there. You know, now he can actually have like a beer or two and he's fine. He's not like a, um... But for a decade, he had to really not drink anything. And he became, um, what I would consider the groundbreaking, uh, Muay Thai, um, person who, uh, just made Muay Thai extremely popular, um,

• 51:27Speaker 06

  in America. And by watching him clean up his life, and I'm absolutely head over heels for him, still am. I would go in and watch him. And I started training. And then we got introduced to this beautiful Thai cul- culture. And a respect, you know, of like, you know, when they ask you to say, "Master Tadi" or "Master Chan", and you're sitting there like, "Who are you calling so new master?" Like, this is odd. Um, but then you're like, all of a sudden, you're like, "Swadika", you know, "Master Tadi", and "Swadika, Master Chan", and bowing before and after. And, um, you know, it was just a beautiful self-discipline that we chose.

• 52:11Speaker 06

  And let the rest of the group kind of, you know, they kept on partying, they kept on drinking. And, um, eventually Bert passed and we just kind of like decided that me and him were gonna... We weren't going down that way. And so we, mixed martial arts. I believe God brought mixed martial arts into my life to, um, make sure I didn't end up, um, how I had seen so many people end up in my life.

• 52:44Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. So you got, so you got into martial arts through your boyfriend?

• 52:50Speaker 06

  Kevin, yeah, Kevin, fiance.

• 52:53Shawn Ryan?

  Fiance.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  We just needed to have the ceremony is all.

• 52:55Shawn Ryan?

  And you guys are still together to this day?

• 52:57Speaker 06

  So we took a big, um...

• 53:01Speaker 06

  It's really funny. My mixed martial arts career took off as soon as I started. People wanted, because I was good, because I was athletic. Kevin was good as well, but people were just so fascinated by, how is this female like, you know, doing this? So I, um, I just really took off and I had a lot of firsts for women's sports. I was the first sanctioned female bout in Las Vegas, which, by the way, my dad, and I'll always give him a hard time for this, but I love him for it. He didn't want me to fight, you know? Neither did my papadon.

• 53:40Speaker 06

  So they call up the boxing commission because my dad used to be on the boxing commission. He was actually, he was actually on the boxing commission when Mike Tyson bit the ear. No way. Yeah, yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 06

  He, um, he really liked Mike Tyson, actually, a lot, you know? Because he understood his background and he understood that he, Tyson, came from such a troubled background. My, my dad actually had really a lot of empathy in his heart for him when that, that ear bite happened. Just to find out, like, you know, Holyfield, right? He'd bitten the ear years earlier. So it's like, you know, it happens.

• 54:25Speaker 06

  But so they called the boxing commission for this first female sanctioned bout. And they said, there's no way you're gonna, that my, my daughter is not going to be the first female sanctioned MMA bout. It's not happening. Because I'd been doing Muay Thai before that. I had garnered a record of 12 wins, one loss and one draw in Muay Thai. So I was ready to move to MMA by that point. And, um, and so my family wasn't having it. And so I was going through all of these tests and all of these extra stuff. And Herb Dean, you know, the referee? Yeah. In the UFC.

• 55:08Speaker 06

  He would always laugh because he knew how they tried to stop me from being a fighter. And then um, and then they became my biggest supporters. Then they became uh, just so proud of me. And my dad's proud of me, my papadon, before he passed, he was proud of me. So, you know, they weren't able to stop it. My first fight was with a girl who shouldn't have been in there with me. Because I had a record of twelve one on one in Muay Thai and I was doing well. Um, so I finished her off in thirty nine seconds, um.

• 55:46Shawn Ryan?

  Thirty nine seconds?

• 55:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, but it was just like, you know, those old UFC fights that you see?

• 55:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:51Speaker 06

  That's what this looks like.

• 55:54Speaker 06

  Like, I wasn't getting the underhooks, I went over. It was pretty funny, but I just kind of like machine, machine gunned down on her and they called it. And I got the, I got the bug for MMA then. And then um, had a beautiful career, uh, yeah.

• 56:11Shawn Ryan?

  How did they, so you started in Muay Thai? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were, you went to Thailand?

• 56:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:19Shawn Ryan?

  And trained there?

• 56:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, we went to Thailand and trained, um, which was one of the best experiences of my life. And I'm sure you can attest to traveling, um, is so important for people to see other countries and see how they live. And there's the good and the bad in it, you know? There's the part where you really appreciate what America has and it gives you a whole appreciation. And then there's another part of, um, you know, just the uh, respect level of like, uh, you're not taking things for granted and wasting things, you know? Um, and so you couldn't just walk into a Thai gym then. Maybe you could now since it's getting more popular.

• 57:04Speaker 06

  But then it was like, you better earn being here. And if you're, if you're, you're gonna get your ass kicked if you're, you're not supposed to be here. We don't want that here.

• 57:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 06

  And so you always have to, you always have to take the jokes and you'd have to smile and nod for about two weeks until they realize that you were serious. Then after a month, you're in.

• 57:27Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 57:27Speaker 06

  And then they just opened up their hearts and Thai people are such, such beautiful people. And um,

• 57:36Speaker 06

  They struggle a lot with people coming to their country. And completely sexually abusing all of them. You know, like everybody from around the world goes to Thailand and thinks, let's go to the ping pong shows. Let's go down and walk the, you know, strand and prostitution and sex trafficking. And it's right there. It's not hidden. It's right there for everybody to see. And I remember we were walking out of a bar one night after we'd just fought. We all did pretty good and we're all banged up and bruised, which is actually one of the best feelings in the world.

• 58:15Speaker 06

  After a fight and you win and you almost, if you don't have a black eye, you wish you had one, you know? Cause it feels like we went through that. And so as long as if your body is all banged up and bruised, you feel like you did something. And I'm telling you, these, these small Thai girls, they could kick, like, there's nobody that kicks like the Thais. They have that down. They have it in their blood. You've never been kicked so hard than by a Thai person, I'll guarantee that. But I remember I was walking out and it was like two o'clock. And I saw these two children playing, you know, on the road. And I look up and there's a man up on some staircases in like shadows.

• 58:59Speaker 06

  And I was, I was pretty drunk and I realized what that was. And it was sex trafficking. And it was sexual abuse. It was like whatever foreigner that wanted to come in and do it, have their way with these children at 2:00 a.m. That's what they were out there for. And it was a boy and a girl. And I'll never forget it, even though I was, you know, drunk and they literally, the Thai guy said, no, no, no, no, no, we gotta keep walking, gotta keep walking. You cannot make a scene here. And like they were translating that through to, and I was just bawling, crying while they like,

• 59:42Speaker 06

  two people got on both sides of me and they just kind of drug me away from. That and

• 59:49Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  It's just, that's a normal thing. That's happening on our border. That's all over our border. And I had one tiny experience of it and it devastated me. And it's, um, you know, Satan wants to crush the ones closest to him. And those are children. And so children is like, been placed on my heart since beginning of the lawsuit. Before the lawsuit happened, I prayed, I was like, God is, I'm just out here in a desert. Can't canceled and I don't know, um, where you're gonna have me be.

• 1:00:29Speaker 06

  But if there's any way I can do anything, it would be to help children not lose their innocence, not use, lose their, you know, have a safer environment in any capacity that I can. And, um, a week later is when I got the phone call from X. Or the email from X that said, we'd like to take up your case.

• 1:00:52Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we'll get there.

• 1:00:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Shawn Ryan?

  Get there. But let's stick, let's stick with MMA now. Although I am like, there seems to, I don't know really much about Hollywood or how any of this kind of stuff works. But I definitely see a wave of people that are tired of Hollywood. And, and whatever goes on in there, which I'm hoping you can give me some insight into. But what I do see is these, I don't know if you would call them production companies maybe, but these smaller, like more boutique-ish type production companies like The Daily Wire,

• 1:01:36Shawn Ryan?

  like Angel Studios seems to be coming out with some.

• 1:01:42Shawn Ryan?

  I mean.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  Amazing, yeah.

• 1:01:43Shawn Ryan?

  The Sound of Freedom was amazing.

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  Yes, it was great.

• 1:01:47Shawn Ryan?

  And I guess they got another one coming out here soon that has to do with.

• 1:01:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:51Shawn Ryan?

  With, uh, I think it's the, do you know about it? Is it the foster care system or the adoption?

• 1:01:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:58Shawn Ryan?

  System or something?

• 1:01:59Speaker 06

  I didn't know if it was already out or not, but yeah, I know what you're talking about. And I think I've had a couple of people say that they've seen it and they absolutely love it.

• 1:02:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Speaker 06

  Angel Studios is putting out some real quality stuff. I feel like our, our little Western had a lot going against it, but I think it's still, I'm proud of it. I'm proud of, under the circumstances that we were on, under. I think that we put a cute and nice, uh, Western out there. Um, and then Daily Wire is doing something called the Pendragon Cycle, which I think is just gonna be an absolute, um, like, I'm so excited. I'm, I'm, I'm excited for those actors. I'm excited for those actresses. Um, they got to travel to Rome, they got to travel to Budapest, they got to, you know,

• 1:02:50Speaker 06

  use their accents and get into character. And Jeremy Boring is an absolute phenomenal storyteller. And I can only imagine the type of director he could be because I've seen his delivery on scripts. And he is very, very, like, I saw a picture of him on his Instagram and I was like, he's shining because this is where he's supposed to be. And so, um, you know, there's no, uh, no, no bad blood between me and the Daily Wire. Angel Studios has never contacted me, but, um, I support those two, uh, companies full-heartedly because they're giving other people an option to not have to, you know, do things that compromise their beliefs.

• 1:03:34Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  And it's beautiful. So I, I'm, I'm more excited about these little superstars that are gonna come out of these shows.

• 1:03:42Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  And, um, and then they're gonna get contacted by Hollywood and they're gonna have to make their decisions and, you know, see if they're gonna stick to their values or not because they will be faced with all of it.

• 1:03:55Shawn Ryan?

  You think Hollywood will pick them up?

• 1:03:58Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Hollywood's struggling. Hollywood is, um, dying. It's, um. It's either that one percent where you get the Oppenheimer. Is that Oppenheimer?

• 1:04:09Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:10Speaker 06

  You either get those wonderful, great movies and you get like that one percent of like awesome actors that, you know, or you're getting um the younger group that, God bless them, you know, like that they're being just manufactured to be in that one percent. But what happens when you do that is you're losing art. You're losing soul. Like everything that we love uh about like, I don't know, watching films is like watching somebody's soul come out. And when you train that too hard out of a person, all actors start looking the same. There's only so many Leonardo DiCaprio movies you can watch.

• 1:04:53Speaker 06

  There's only so many accents you can do. He's awesome. Um, I mean, he he's amazing, but you know, I mean, like, you you want, in my opinion, you want to keep art free.

• 1:05:07Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:05:08Speaker 06

  And right now, they're manufacturing everything so that they can they can control it. And that goes from writers, directors to, you know, actors and that's why we're we're struggling that way and we're struggling and, I mean, where were the musicians throughout COVID? Where were the rappers? Where was freaking Tupac? You know, where were these people that were saying, no, we're not doing this? They were getting paid off to say, go put this in your arm and put a muzzle over your face. And it's it's very obvious now who who benefited from the lockdowns, who the the ones who shut their mouth still have the jobs and,

• 1:05:53Speaker 06

  you know, worked their way their way up. And the ones who struggled are the ones that said something, had to restart their lives, got kicked out of their jobs, lost, you know, family members, lost human beings and um didn't cower to these large corporations. So uh it's very, very black and white now where there used to be a lot more middle ground. So hopefully Daily Wire, Angel Studios and um, you know, like what I'm doing, I'm a Lone Ranger, not surprising. But I'm gonna I'm gonna do my own thing since I since I apparently don't really fit anywhere. I'm not, I'm not woke and then I'm not, you know, I guess I'm not like

• 1:06:37Speaker 06

  conservative enough. I'm somewhere strangely in this middle ground.

• 1:06:41Shawn Ryan?

  Just being true to yourself.

• 1:06:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Shawn Ryan?

  There's not very many people like that left.

• 1:06:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, honestly, though,

• 1:06:51Shawn Ryan?

  would you be, I mean?

• 1:06:54Speaker 06

  Would I have it any other way?

• 1:06:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:06:56Speaker 06

  Looking back, no, but it's been hard. It's been lonely.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  But I also changed my perspective on,

• 1:07:08Speaker 06

  they can't, I see it all now, you know, I, I wanna say all of it, but I see it for what it is now. And it's, um.

• 1:07:19Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I, I,

• 1:07:23Shawn Ryan?

  I'm kinda going through a thing right now, uh, actually with this,

• 1:07:29Shawn Ryan?

  with the show that we're releasing today. It's gonna release in like 20 minutes.

• 1:07:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, I heard you.

• 1:07:35Shawn Ryan?

  And.

• 1:07:36Speaker 06

  What that was.

• 1:07:37Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it's, uh, well, I went and interviewed, this isn't about me, so I'm just gonna breeze through this, but I went and interviewed the leader, the commander of the Afghan Resistance in Vienna. And, uh, because I want the truth about what happened with the withdrawal.

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:07:55Shawn Ryan?

  And he has warnings for the US and the US has blacklisted them, the State Department blacklisted them. These are the guys that we, that the SEALs, the Green Berets, the, the special ops units trained and worked alongside with for 20 fucking years. Just to watch Biden and his administration

• 1:08:20Shawn Ryan?

  abandon them and, and, um, not only abandon them, but I mean, their, their wives are being raped, their daughters are being raped, their sons are being killed and raped. And they are assassinating these guys and just one by one. And they can't even.

• 1:08:44Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, we didn't even burn anything in that country when we left. Usually, there would be like a, we would destroy classified material. Well, we had biometrics, we had photos, we had retina scans, we had everything of these, of our allies. Because, you know, for a Westerner to go into an Arab country, you can't tell people apart. You know, it's hard. And so that's how you do it.

• 1:09:10Speaker 06

  So do you feel like that was on purpose, that we didn't burn anything?

• 1:09:14Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know. You know, I wasn't there.

• 1:09:17Speaker 06

  Because now that same stuff is being used.

• 1:09:20Shawn Ryan?

  So now they're using that. They can, they can walk around with these cameras, go door to door, take a picture, and it will tell you, you know, ew, this is so and so who is part of the Afghan Special Forces working alongside, you know, this SF group. And anyway, so I wanted to expose that. And I've been kind of on a trail of doing that. And I get worried, you know, because nobody else is doing this shit. I worry about my family, I worry about... And I talked to this gentleman, his name's Scott Van, he's a retired lieutenant colonel

• 1:10:01Shawn Ryan?

  in the Green Berets. And I just, I, I call him as a sounding board. And he's like, I told him, you know, I feel like very alone. Nobody else is doing this. And, and, you know, this comes with a price. And he said, he said, "When you do the right thing, when nobody else is doing it, it feels very alone." And so...

• 1:10:37Shawn Ryan?

  He's right and you're doing the right thing. And he just told me this like yesterday. So it's it's just kind of a weird coincidence that you're talking about how alone you feel for doing the right thing. And.

• 1:10:54Speaker 06

  And that you're feeling that too.

• 1:10:57Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it just.

• 1:11:01Shawn Ryan?

  So as shitty as it feels, I mean, it kind of lets you know you're on the right track. Because there aren't very many people out there doing the right thing anymore.

• 1:11:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Shawn Ryan?

  Or maybe they're not necessarily doing the wrong thing. But they sure as fuck aren't standing up for what's right.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  Mr. President, my company tore me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  Digger got us into this mess and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Ravenhead.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  What would happen if I stopped doing it? You're stalled, you're freezing there, that's what.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  I'm not the first man.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Digger, see the trailer online, only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not admitted without parent.

• 1:11:45Speaker 06

  You know, isn't that something? I got I got. An actress pulled me aside yesterday at the Knoxville Fan Expo. Speaking as slowly as she could. I appreciate everything you're doing. I'm on your side. And I'm so tired. I'm so tired of it.

• 1:12:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 06

  Like.

• 1:12:10Speaker 06

  Enough. I mean. President Trump was shot at a couple of days ago. And you have people making fun of it. Oh darn it, missed him. And it's like. It actually killed a man. And I went off on the, you know, I went off on Jack Black on. He's a, you know, it goes along with my case as well. It's like you're going to allow a man to stand up on stage. And, oh shoot, it didn't kill an ex-president. Or the last president and.

• 1:12:47Speaker 06

  But it did kill someone. And it's just the sickness and the evilness. It's like, it's getting more and more easy to distinguish between good and evil because it's becoming so much more obvious and it's floating to the surface. And they're losing the ability to hide, hide what is good and evil. And it's becoming, you know, it's becoming very obvious. So, you know, and do I think Jack Black is, you know, a bad person? I don't, probably not. He's probably just not thought it through and didn't really realize what he was saying at that moment.

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  It's ignorance is bliss, but.

• 1:13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Didn't he come out and apologize?

• 1:13:40Speaker 06

  He did put something out today that said he's canceling his tour or something and, you know. And, you know, I think.

• 1:13:47Shawn Ryan?

  Is he canceling his tour or did they just?

• 1:13:49Speaker 06

  I think they canceled it and then he said he canceled it. So who knows?

• 1:13:53Shawn Ryan?

  Funny, it's funny how sorry people are every time it dents the bank account.

• 1:13:56Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:13:56Shawn Ryan?

  Now I'm sorry.

• 1:13:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Shawn Ryan?

  My bad.

• 1:13:58Speaker 06

  It's just kind of like, we got so much repercussions for how many years now? And I, you know, how many years has people before me been getting repercussions? You know, I came in late and I feel like I'm making quite a stamp and drawing attention to it, that this is enough. Like, you shouldn't have to hide your beliefs and you shouldn't have to, freedom of religion, you should have freedom to, you know, talk about who you're voting for. There needs to be, there's a Democrat, Republican and Independent Party for a reason. We should be able to have these debates. It shouldn't be you get kicked out of Hollywood because you're Republican. And Republicans shouldn't be having to hide

• 1:14:42Speaker 06

  in certain areas and have underground groups, which they do have, in order to speak about what they believe in. And, you know.

• 1:14:52Shawn Ryan?

  Where is that? Where is that?

• 1:14:54Speaker 06

  Oh, I wouldn't know. I've never.

• 1:14:56Shawn Ryan?

  Republican underground groups?

• 1:14:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Shawn Ryan?

  Hiding from who?

• 1:15:00Speaker 06

  They, they could not come out and say in Hollywood that you're basically a Republican. You just had to keep your mouth shut and you can get work. But all day long, you know, we see Sarah Silverman flashing, you know, the, the, the, "Hey, vote for Trump," or, no, "Vote for Biden and you'll get this," you know, and like, and they do compilations of Mark Ruffio and Sarah Silverman, and, you know, all these people are just like, "Vote for this, vote for this." I mean, they're just completely selling themselves for the Democrat Party. Did you see any celebrities doing any campaigns whatsoever to, "Hey, vote for Republicans," you know? And not that I would consider myself,

• 1:15:42Speaker 06

  I consider myself just, you know, somewhere in the middle. I think I lean more towards being a conservative Republican now than I ever have. But I also am like, you know, an artist, and I feel like, you know, I don't want to be trapped too far in a box to where I don't have the freedom of like, exploring things.

• 1:16:06Speaker 06

  I do have morals that are extremely important to me with,

• 1:16:11Speaker 06

  that I have now kind of, I guess, become more responsible to, which I didn't have before 2019. And those grow every day. And that's, uh, that's,

• 1:16:27Speaker 06

  that's a complicated thing, trying to tell stories in this kind of atmosphere and have morals be placed in these stories as well, because I'm an action girl and I love action. And I'm also drama and I could, I could do any of it, I think, but, you know, when we're, we're actually creating this really cool, um, little sci-fi script at the moment, which will probably be our first, you know, my, my first comeback film. Me, my manager, and a writer. And it's turning out really cool, but I have to make sure I'm not, I'm writing that fine line of like, not going too far with things and making sure that I'm staying convicted to, uh,

• 1:17:12Speaker 06

  my, what I would want, you know, my sister and her children to see, you know, at a certain age and not have it be a bad thing, so. So it's a very fine line that I'm writing, and I know God's, God's gonna just let me know, "You stepped over there." He has a very fun way of dealing with me when I'm... When I stepped over any line.

• 1:17:40Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 1:17:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, and I'll take it. I'll take it because it just means he loves me and he wants me to be on the right track.

• 1:17:50Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we'll get into the faith stuff too. I can't wait to dive in on that. But, um, but back to your fighting career. So how did you, what happened in your Muay Thai career that got you as the first sanctioned female MMA fighter?

• 1:18:08Speaker 06

  I was, I just, I was really good at it. I picked it up.

• 1:18:17Speaker 06

  And we all, there was a bunch of us, you know? So it just, people showed up to see me fight. And the more they showed up to see me fight, the bigger the cards got, the bigger the venues got. And the more, if my name was, you know, at the top of the list, I just, I worked myself up in those 14 fights to be somebody people paid to watch. And that's, um, I went up against, you know, very few girls that I'd seen fight before. Um, I remember there's this one girl before I even had one fight. And her name was Christina Martin, I believe.

• 1:18:58Speaker 06

  And she came in in like braids. And I just thought, oh my gosh, like that is insane. Like she's in my weight class, you know? And I was like, never, I had like maybe one fight, maybe. I was like, oh my gosh, like how am I ever gonna work my way up to that? And she, uh, worked out at Chuck Liddell's camp. And, um, I was like, that's gonna be tough whenever I get there. Well, I got there quite quickly. We used to, we used to, Master Choddy used to try to like fib on our records that we could fight people with bigger records. So he said we had 10 fights and over here I have two.

• 1:19:37Speaker 06

  So they do that in Thailand all the time. And so, um, I forget what number of fights she was. I showed up to a smoker. I don't know, a smoker's where. You show up to a gym, you don't know who you're gonna fight, and you just end up fighting whoever's close to your weight class, no matter the, you know, no matter like the record. And I showed up and I was like, oh, it's, why is she here? Like, she was just headlining at like a, one of the tiny casinos, you know? And I was like, okay. And, you know, you just show up and you fought whoever was there. And then, and I ended up fighting her. And I, and I ended up, you know, they called it an exhibition, but I ended up beating her in that fight. And she didn't expect that.

• 1:20:23Speaker 06

  And so then, our next fight was to take place at the Stardust, which is now imploded in Las Vegas. The Stardust Hotel, we used to fight there. That was a big show. And I'd say, that one was a, a draw. That was my one draw.

• 1:20:42Speaker 06

  Of course, it was with, with that, if you're not overwhelmingly beating someone, you always feel like you're losing, you know? But when I watched the tape back, I felt like, okay, yeah, it's a decent draw. But she hit real hard, she kicked real hard. And so then I trained for her a third time. And I trained, trained my ass off. And I knocked her out clean on our third fight. I knocked her out, like, almost like the wind. It's like punching wind right down through like the jaw area. And she went down. That was my trilogy fight.

• 1:21:17Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:21:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, I went from looking up to her to fighting her three times. And, um, yeah, that was a special one.

• 1:21:26Shawn Ryan?

  What did that feel like for you? To KO or?

• 1:21:29Speaker 06

  Well, it was, it was, it was just the whole fighting, looking across the cage at someone and knowing that every, at that moment, it doesn't matter who's in the crowd, really doesn't even matter, like. It's who you are at that moment. You're bringing that. You're bringing everything you trained for, everything you ate, your mentality, your spirituality, how much you believe in yourself. If you've let your boyfriend in the time get into your head or if you've got, you know, you just bring all of that of who you are in that moment to that moment and you're looking at a cross at this person, knowing that this person is bringing that too. And they're going to try to hurt you as badly as possible to make you quit.

• 1:22:14Speaker 06

  So that's a very special, weird, intense moment between two people that everything else goes away. And it's addictive, I'd say.

• 1:22:26Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, you...

• 1:22:30Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not a big MMA person. I don't follow it. But it seems to me you are very much a pioneer for women within the sport. Obviously, you were the first sanctioned fighter and you still have a ton of respect to this day.

• 1:22:50Shawn Ryan?

  In fact, I even, I saw something that said Rhonda Rousey, you would be the only person that she would come out of retirement to fight. I don't know if that's a compliment or...

• 1:22:59Speaker 06

  It's a huge compliment.

• 1:23:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:02Speaker 06

  It's a huge compliment. I was the first sanctioned bout in Nevada. Then I was the first people that the Showtime Elite X sign, first female that they signed and gave me a whole $10,000. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Now I can really train. I don't have to worry about, you know, and I was bartending at the same time. And then I was the first one on CBS. They did a documentary between me and a different fighter named Elena Maxwell. So I was right out in the beginning of making it popular so that people like Rhonda Rousey. And she gives me credit for this, which is a beautiful thing. I've never had any problems with her. She said that, you know, had she not seen me fight,

• 1:23:47Speaker 06

  she would have not known it was possible for women to do this. And so I might have not gotten to that UFC walkout. But I definitely through my career felt like I was blessed enough to be the person to break down those doors. And I'm... That's just, I used to say, they used to call me the face of MMA and I just was like, I'm too, I'm too young in my career for all of this, you know, like, you know, I have the Muay Thai fights, but like, I'm, I'm work, I'm, I'm just like everybody else. Why, you, you're pushing me up so fast, you know? And before you know it, on your eighth fight, you're fighting Cyborg and you're not ready to fight Cyborg, but there's nobody else to fight.

• 1:24:31Speaker 06

  And they built this thing up and you're like, well, I'm not gonna not fight her 'cause my whole entire career was fighting the people that was put in front of me. So, um, I was determined.

• 1:24:41Shawn Ryan?

  Man, no fear.

• 1:24:44Speaker 06

  All fear, all fear, but also, uh...

• 1:24:49Shawn Ryan?

  You overcame it.

• 1:24:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, 'cause doesn't it feel bad when you let that fear rule you? That's, uh, that's where you lose your, that's where it starts taking chunks out of your soul.

• 1:25:01Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever been that person?

• 1:25:04Speaker 06

  Um, you know, there's things I could have done better in my life, as far as like, I feel like I grew up a little bit immature, just because I was fighting and acting. I feel like I was a little bit reckless, you know, like, I can definitely put back some whiskey. You know, I can definitely, um, act like a, a big old child. Well, I haven't now for years, but, you know. There was that one wedding that I stole the golf cart, so there was that.

• 1:25:37Speaker 06

  You know, I felt bad about that one. I'm sure I gave my family plenty of, um, you know, they see the, the real me. I'm sure they were worried, worried to their necks for me, 'cause I was just, had this big career flying around the world, meeting people, but I always, always, always, um, you know, I was always able never to sell myself out for a job or, you know, any of that. It was more of a...

• 1:26:05Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe you were a hellion, but it doesn't sound like you were overcome by fear.

• 1:26:09Speaker 06

  No, maybe not.

• 1:26:13Shawn Ryan?

  So, how did you, how did the MMA?

• 1:26:17Speaker 06

  Oh, the cyborg fight, I was afraid.

• 1:26:21Speaker 06

  The cyborg fight, I had an adrenaline dump. Um, a massive one to where I couldn't feel my legs. I don't know if you-

• 1:26:30Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:26:31Speaker 06

  You ever had like that adrenaline where you lose all, like you lose some feeling of like how to work your arms? Like all of a sudden your arms aren't working?

• 1:26:43Shawn Ryan?

  I believe they just call that freezing in the moment.

• 1:26:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. Oh, I've had twice when that happened. One with my legs and one with my arms. The first one with my, my arms, and I was doing a K1 fight and fight fans don't know about that, but like they used to have production that was kind of like a kickboxing more than Muay Thai. It was K1 and um, I wasn't supposed to win this fight. But they, Master Chan is in the back, he's like, baby, baby, okay. Like one, two, one, two. And I was like, I was like, sir.

• 1:27:19Speaker 06

  My, my arms aren't working, sir, my arms aren't. And he's like, okay, baby, all right. You know, and he pats you on the back and he's like, out you go. And I'm like, walking out, which is just a weird feeling of, I can't move my arms. Are they gonna start working? And then I go in between the, you know, the, the robes, go up and we do the face off and I'm like, they're still not working.

• 1:27:44Speaker 06

  And then, uh, and then I go back to the corner and I'm just like, how am I gonna fix this problem? Like my, my, like my brain isn't attaching to my arms. And then um, I went out there and I beat, had a hell of a fight. I won.

• 1:27:59Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:27:59Speaker 06

  Uh, they worked. But in my cyborg fight, I lost the, uh, the, uh, lower part of my body. Some of my legs, I, they could walk, but they weren't walking. They, I couldn't, I was floating. I was having like an out of body experience, looking down on myself and like not feeling like I could control what was happening. And I felt, uh, no pain. I, I just felt like I couldn't control what I was doing. I was confused and um, so.

• 1:28:33Speaker 06

  It frustrates me, those feelings. It's like, it feels like being on top of a building. Um, like those nightmares that I have nightmares where it's like I'm on top of a building. I'm holding on, but I can't tell my hands to hold. And they'll just let go because I can't make my hands hold. And that freaks me out. And so, do you have those dreams at all?

• 1:29:02Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:29:03Speaker 06

  You can hold on.

• 1:29:05Shawn Ryan?

  I have dreams where.

• 1:29:10Shawn Ryan?

  I used to have a lot of dreams where I'd be back in combat. And.

• 1:29:19Shawn Ryan?

  Which is a good dream for me. I love those dreams.

• 1:29:22Speaker 06

  Really?

• 1:29:23Shawn Ryan?

  The shitty part is, it will like. And I don't know what this means. I've like Googled it and, but whatever. But I have these dreams where I'm in the middle of it. I'm in the middle of combat for good old days, being at war with my team. And I'll have like some stupid mistake happen. Like, I will have not loaded rounds in my magazines. And then I'm having to run around and ask all my teammates for magazines with bullets on them so that I can get in the fight. Or I forgot my gun. Or insert whatever.

• 1:30:02Speaker 06

  Yeah. Small mistake.

• 1:30:05Shawn Ryan?

  Major mistake.

• 1:30:06Speaker 06

  Major mistake, but, yeah.

• 1:30:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, and it's, it's, it's the feeling of humiliation.

• 1:30:14Speaker 06

  Powerlessness.

• 1:30:15Shawn Ryan?

  And completely. I mean, just a huge, just a huge letdown. You're, you're dead weight, you know, at that point.

• 1:30:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, those are nightmares to me.

• 1:30:29Speaker 06

  Hmm. Isn't that fascinating? And I wonder what that says. I'm, my nightmares are fear of not being able to hold on and make myself do what I need to do. And yours is.

• 1:30:47Speaker 06

  Not being somebody's burden.

• 1:30:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, being somebody's burden, not being competent, things like that. You know, really, they get in my head.

• 1:30:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:30:57Shawn Ryan?

  Sometimes. Not much anymore, but.

• 1:31:02Speaker 06

  They sneak up on us every once in a while.

• 1:31:07Shawn Ryan?

  But, well, how did, how did the, how did your MMA career end?

• 1:31:12Speaker 06

  Well, it was a kind of a funny thing, cuz I'm sitting there. Biggest fight of my career, legs go out, adrenaline. They called the fight, I think, like five seconds before. If I could, I feel like if I could have gotten to that second round, I would have started getting my, my group, my, my, my, my motion, my groove, my legs would have hit, like, you know, maybe start pumping a little bit, you know? But they called it, um, five seconds before the bell. And, um, you know, I think if I could have gotten to that second round, I would have given her hell. Because it was such an embarrassing first round. And I was like, sometimes the best thing you can do is,

• 1:31:52Speaker 06

  jump over the, the ropes and fall into the cage and you feel so embarrassed, you're like, ah, well, what I got to lose now, let's go swing. You know, so I feel like I hated how that first round went, but I didn't get into that second round and, um, I went back into the locker room, went, sat, cried, and cried, with my gloves still on until I was ready to come out, and just complete humiliation and, letdown of your team. And, the whole crowd was chanting for me, you know, and it was just like, this, a sad moment, you know, when you see one of your favorite fighters just, not, not be able to show up, you know? Which you see that a lot in fighting.

• 1:32:38Speaker 06

  And I understand it. You know, sometimes, uh, there's certain things going on in people's lives or something's going on, they just, they can't show up, they're not ready for that. Um, so I got in the car, and went to San Diego and I was just sitting there feeling sorry for myself. And confused cuz I knew I couldn't go back and fight her immediately, like, uh, I wasn't ready for that, I needed to build up my confidence again, so I was like, but I just was just.

• 1:33:09Speaker 06

  Just sad. And then I got this phone call from this guy that I'd met and said, oh, yeah, yeah, you can be in our, you know, we'll represent you in Hollywood or whatever, you know, but didn't really take me seriously. And then I got this phone call from Brett Normsberg, who did take me seriously then, because he said, Steven Soderbergh, famous, not just famous, but an incredible director, would like, I mean, this, this, this person out of all directors is who the big one percenters want to work with. Wow. And he was watching my fight that night, and his wife had looked over at him and

• 1:33:51Speaker 06

  said, you know, he had gotten fired off of Moneyball, actually, because they didn't give him creative control, so he had some, you know, he had like a year to kind of like do his own thing. She said, because he's the type of guy, he can call any product, any, you know, any entertainment business, anybody, he can call anybody, and then he was like, I want to do this movie, and they'll say, yeah. So he pitched it for two different studios, and they got ahold of me, and he'd like, they said, Steven Soderbergh wants to come out, where are you? He's in L.A. I was like, I'm in San Diego, and they're like, he wants to come out, he's going to take the train, would you go to lunch with him? And then, of course, my mom's like, honey, okay, you know about, you know, these directors.

• 1:34:38Speaker 06

  You know about these Hollywood directors? You hear it, you hear the stories all the time. I'm like, ma, but you know me. And she's like, all right, okay, we'll take my car and call me if you need anything. And I'm like, we're going right down here to Coronado at a beautiful, like, place. I had a black eye because I took an elbow to the, I forget which one, side, but I took an elbow to the forehead, so all the blood was draining down. So it's just the most ridiculous. And I don't know, like, he sat down, and I was like, this is wonderful to meet you. Do you mind if I have some wine? And he was like, oh, by all means. And so he sat there for four, four hours and he got to know me. He talked to me and um, he said, I'd really like to do a movie with you.

• 1:35:21Speaker 06

  Um, and I'll just be really honest with you. It'll happen really quick or it won't happen at all. Um, so, you know, and I was like, sounds good to me, not having any idea what that meant, you know? And that was my intro into acting in Hollywood and the, it's called Haywire. So I had Michael Douglas, Channing Tatum, I had uh, Michael Fassbender, who's the first person who sat me down and said, cause they gave me an acting coach the last like week of this whole training session of like, you know, learning how to shoot guns and learning all this stuff. They gave me an acting coach to like the last week and like, I'm like, what? How do you put these things? Like, words aren't my thing, you know?

• 1:36:07Speaker 06

  And so I remember sitting down with Michael Fassbender, the first, you know, actor that I was working with in Ireland. And I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. And he's like, right, okay. And he put a whiskey in front of me and he's like, we're just gonna run these back and forth, running these back and forth. And he just, you know, like, go fast, go slow, go fast, go slow. And like, he just kind of like, um, worked with me and all of Ewan McGregor, um, Antonio Mederos, all these massive stars are in this and they're all working with me. Um, and working me through not having ever been on a movie set in that capacity, capacity, let alone being the lead. And so it was just a really beautiful, a really very ironic introduction.

• 1:36:52Shawn Ryan?

  So they all took you under their wing?

• 1:36:54Speaker 06

  All of them. Every single one of them. They just said, I'll take care of you in, in the scenes. And then I said, well, good, well, I'll take care of you in the fight scenes. We'll just give it a little trade. But they, they were that, that classy of a group that, um, Yeah, I remember people saying it'll never be like this again. And it really wasn't until I'd say Jon Favreau in The Mandalorian.

• 1:37:20Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I mean.

• 1:37:22Speaker 06

  Incredible.

• 1:37:23Shawn Ryan?

  That sounds like a great experience.

• 1:37:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was amazing. And it was also painful. I had had a miscarriage right before. So, um, uh, between the movie, like, there was a couple of months of the movie getting set up. And I was doing the stunts for the movie and had to run to the bathroom and throw up. And, uh, um, long story short, ended up having a miscarriage. And I'd never been through that before. And so I dove into Haywire so hard because I was in so much pain.

• 1:38:07Speaker 06

  Um, and didn't want to face what was happening with someone who, um, was my boyfriend, but we had no longer been together. So, um, I escaped after we filmed Haywire to Thailand to train just because that was my place where I'd go get myself collected. And I remember looking in the mirror and not recognizing my eyes. You know, my eyes were dark and sad. And, uh, I knew I needed to, you know, get on my knees and really kind of figure out how to find the light again. And it did take years for that to heal.

• 1:38:48Speaker 06

  But, um, but yeah. So that was my strange introductory.

• 1:38:56Shawn Ryan?

  So you you had a miscarriage?

• 1:38:59Speaker 06

  While I was prepping for Haywire.

• 1:39:02Shawn Ryan?

  For your first movie?

• 1:39:03Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:04Shawn Ryan?

  Cranked it out?

• 1:39:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Shawn Ryan?

  And then, and then?

• 1:39:08Speaker 06

  Had to deal with the effects afterwards.

• 1:39:10Shawn Ryan?

  So you compartmentalized it?

• 1:39:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. And I think a big, I was supposed to come back and have a fight, a comeback fight. And I just was too emotionally shot. Um, you know, like.

• 1:39:25Speaker 06

  Hurting myself in ways that just just felt so awful and felt so guilty and confused of could I have like, you know, done something different and I was, you know, just so confused and

• 1:39:43Speaker 06

  and so disappointed that I wasn't able to come back because my mental state was just so broken and so I was like two weeks out from a fight and my, I went home to visit my mom and she said Gina, well, I got kicked straight in the head by a woman that I've actually fought before and beat, but we were out, I was out there like sparring, got kicked right in the head and like completely got vertigo and concussed and then I went home and my mom was just like Gina, you're not looking yourself. So she took me to a doctor and they said you've got a concussion and vertigo and um, you know,

• 1:40:27Speaker 06

  we don't suggest you go on with this fight and so it was my comeback fight too, so. So then you got another failure there, right? You feeling, man, I failed on that one. And I spiraled into like this horrible depression and

• 1:40:44Speaker 06

  and then you just keep going. You just kind of pick it up and just keep going.

• 1:40:52Shawn Ryan?

  How did you come to peace with the, with your miscarriage?

• 1:40:56Speaker 06

  Um, realizing that, you know, it was a confusing time because I couldn't tell if the doctor was telling me what I wanted to hear, like, or needed to hear because the doctor knew my situation, so I was confused if he was telling me the truth or not. And I was supposedly three months along and there was no heartbeat. And on top of that, there was about three softball sized cysts and I didn't realize this, but when you looked down at my tummy, it was like sideways because I was so active and working and I didn't. Understand and he says, we have to go in there and also I'm sorry to tell you, but there's no heartbeat. We have to suction this out.

• 1:41:39Speaker 06

  And I um struggled with that because I felt, is that abortion? Is that, is that, you know? And I, it tore me to pieces. And I actually woke up on the operating table while, right when it happened, like I felt like that motherly like thing instinct woke up and it was like, they were all laughing and like hanging out like normal surgery, but for me, they had to have, I was so just heartbroken and didn't understand if that was an abortion or was it a miscarriage? And at what could I have just, you know, waited or, you know?

• 1:42:23Speaker 06

  And uh, the doctor told me, no, this is, this is not an abortion. This is, you know, there is no heartbeat and we have to take this this out. And that was what was given to me, but it took me a long time to

• 1:42:37Speaker 06

  kind of just give that to God and realize like,

• 1:42:41Speaker 06

  I s- I still don't really, there was doubts in my head about it all. And, and so, it, it hurt me and it hurt the person. Um, it was just devastating. So I just kind of self-destructed from that and for about two and a half years. Man. Um, which is why I feel like when it comes to the abortion thing, I feel like people need to be educated, you know, on, more so on miscarriages and more so on um, sex before marriage and, you know, uh, relationships and, you know.

• 1:43:26Speaker 06

  You give a piece of yourself away every time you have sex with someone. You know, you give parts away and there's that's to me, I understand it now. And of course, in my older age, how my mom was really trying to tell me, save that for that one person. It's special and it truly is, you know. And so there's, there's those kinds of things I wish I would have done better, you know. I was always that have a relationship type of, type of person. I was never not like that, but that almost kind of makes it worse because there's more hearts broken.

• 1:44:05Shawn Ryan?

  Man, two and a half years. What did you, did you go through therapy? Did you?

• 1:44:14Speaker 06

  I went and I, um, I did the acupuncture, which is kind of made me feel even worse. Cause I was like, this is what it's come to. I was just like laying there with all these needles on me and tears just streaming down the sides of my face. And I was just like, this is what it's come to.

• 1:44:36Speaker 06

  But yeah, I ended up cutting myself pretty severely because I, I realized that, um, you're hurting yourself. You're drinking, you're killing yourself right now because you feel the way you do. And so, um, well, this will be, I never told anybody that, but that's what that is. There's a, there's these.

• 1:44:59Shawn Ryan?

  Oh shit, Gina.

• 1:45:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I, I was always like, where did these scars come from? And it was from pain. It was just the realization of saying, you're hurting yourself. You might as well just do it. And so, um, strangely enough, that was the better feeling. But the worst feeling was my little sister grabbing my arm and looking at me. And I was like, all right, can't, can't do that.

• 1:45:35Shawn Ryan?

  So if it's okay, I'd like to try to understand that. So you started to cut yourself because you were already destroying yourself.

• 1:45:49Shawn Ryan?

  And so.

• 1:45:54Speaker 06

  Well, when you realize you're doing these things to hurt yourself already, then why don't you just hurt yourself? That was the mentality. Like, I'm already hurting myself. Might as well feel it.

• 1:46:15Speaker 06

  And it actually was a lot more honest than drinking, or it was a lot more honest than, you know, anything else you were doing. That actually felt a lot better than anything. It actually, unfortunately, felt great.

• 1:46:32Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 1:46:32Speaker 06

  Because it released the pain that was being felt inside. And I hope... I don't want that to be an encouragement for people to go out there and cut themselves. Because it's an awful thing.

• 1:46:50Speaker 06

  But it was the most honest thing that I could do at that time, that, you know, feeling such a failure and feeling that I, you know, I needed to release.

• 1:47:04Shawn Ryan?

  Had you contemplated suicide?

• 1:47:07Speaker 06

  No. No. I got a little too close over here, but it wasn't on purpose.

• 1:47:13Shawn Ryan?

  How long did that go on?

• 1:47:15Speaker 06

  That was a short stint. It was about a month, maybe a month and a half. But it was my little sister's look to me that broke me. And I said, well, as good as that feels, her look, who I've always tried to protect, was not something I was gonna ever want to see on her face again.

• 1:47:40Shawn Ryan?

  Where would you do it?

• 1:47:41Speaker 06

  Oh, just with like a razor and on my arm right there. Usually at an emotional time where I couldn't like, couldn't feel any more pain. So that's when that would happen.

• 1:47:57Speaker 06

  It's kind of unfortunate because I did it and this is not funny. But I did it in like little spaces and I was like, well, shoot. That looks a little too obvious. So then I tried to fill in the spaces.

• 1:48:09Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 1:48:10Speaker 06

  That's not funny, but it's kind of funny in a dark way.

• 1:48:16Shawn Ryan?

  How did your sister, I mean, how did she see it?

• 1:48:19Speaker 06

  She knew.

• 1:48:20Shawn Ryan?

  She knew the whole time?

• 1:48:22Speaker 06

  She knew the spaces in between that's obviously, that was an ob, it was ob, it was too obvious. And, um, so.

• 1:48:32Shawn Ryan?

  Did you want somebody to see it?

• 1:48:35Speaker 06

  Um, I didn't care. I didn't care about that. I was in a low, low manic, low place where it was just, just disappointment and depression. I've let everybody down. I can't figure out how to, you know, pull, pull myself up. So.

• 1:48:59Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean.

• 1:49:00Speaker 06

  Sorry to drop all these.

• 1:49:02Shawn Ryan?

  No, man, this is, look, I think these are good discussions because so many people are dealing with stuff like this right now. Whether you're going through a miscarriage or, I mean, it's no secret, you know, what social media has done to, to,

• 1:49:19Shawn Ryan?

  to everybody.

• 1:49:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and I mean, you see kid suicide is up.

• 1:49:23Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:24Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, so I'm gonna ask you again, you know?

• 1:49:27Speaker 06

  I don't mind, I don't mind sharing it and I don't mind wearing my heart on my sleeve with it because I do see, you know,

• 1:49:37Speaker 06

  the mental health in children and I see the suicides and I see the drug addiction. I've personally lost, I don't know how many people in the last, now it's way up, two years, so. I just want people to know that you can hold on past this. Just hold on past that. Okay, you had that moment.

• 1:50:02Speaker 06

  You had that failure. You had that fight publicly where you got smashed on TV and Cyborg kicked your ass. You got publicly fired by Disney. You got shamed and ruthlessly dragged through the mud. And you hurt yourself in most ways, but

• 1:50:29Speaker 06

  I, right now, am seeing such beauty in life and looking back through my life and understanding and seeing that like if people can just hold on past that, there is life. There's life on the other side of failure and embarrassment. And there's life on the other side of like other people's expectations of you. You know, there's a beautiful life in the sunset every single day. And there's a beautiful life in the sunrise.

• 1:51:05Speaker 06

  There's a beautiful life in going to work and being a plumber and being an electrician and being able to be a construction worker and build. And there's pride and respect in that. You don't have to be on Instagram. You don't have to be where everybody can see you. You can have such pride and respect in building something, you know. You don't need the world to tell you. You don't need to keep searching out in the world to tell you if you're important or not, because you are important. No matter what role you play or what job you have, it's important that people know that. This has been like some sort of...

• 1:51:47Speaker 06

  You know, in society, we think, oh, you, you, oh, you must be important because you do that. No, it's not. We're all important. I respect construction workers, plumbers, and electricians more than I respect most, you know, actors right now. I respect them way more, actually, at the moment than I respect anybody, most people in Hollywood.

• 1:52:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:09Speaker 06

  They're out there building and working their asses off. And it's their time to shine, too, so good, good on them. Um, and they go to work, and they don't get any praise for it. And they work with difficult people. And then they get, they go home, they take pride and respect in their job. I mean, that's respectful. And, you know, so, so Montana's teaching me a lot.

• 1:52:34Shawn Ryan?

  Good. I'm happy to hear that. So when your sister saw the, the scars,

• 1:52:41Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 1:52:42Shawn Ryan?

  was that the, was that the turning point for you?

• 1:52:46Speaker 06

  That was the, I can't do that anymore for her.

• 1:52:51Speaker 06

  That was that. When I, my, my little sister is, uh, I was her rock when we were younger. So I feel like I protected her a lot when we were younger. And I feel like in our older life, she's protected me more in my adulthood. She's kept me safe. So is my mom. So, um, yeah, she keeps me grounded. She makes me realize that she's healthy. She turned out good. And that, looking at her face, I'm not gonna disappoint her. I'm gonna be the, the older sister that I, the best older sister and friend that I can be.

• 1:53:39Shawn Ryan?

  You know, earlier you had asked me, you know,

• 1:53:45Shawn Ryan?

  what order I think you're in, in the birth order. I mean, it's, I said the oldest. I mean, you just give all the attributes as the oldest, probably because it seems to me you were kind of almost forced into that position.

• 1:54:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. Are you the middle?

• 1:54:03Shawn Ryan?

  I'm the oldest.

• 1:54:04Speaker 06

  Are you the oldest?

• 1:54:05Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:06Speaker 06

  I don't, I don't envy oldest children. I feel like they take on a certain level of pressure. And I find with oldest children, they either crumble or they thrive, but they take on pressure that's so unneeded. Um, because, you know, I feel like that's, it's just a hard place to be put, is being the oldest child. It's a hard place to start. I, and we keep that in mind, I think, you know, with our, my nieces and everybody, being the oldest child is very difficult. I mean, and actually through history, right? You know, like, older, older children are persecuted.

• 1:54:49Speaker 06

  They were killed. They were, um, there's something very interesting in the Bible about, you know, the constant, you know, persecution of older children.

• 1:55:02Speaker 06

  And, yeah, so I, I feel sorry for my older sister and that she had to endure what she's done, but she's,

• 1:55:12Speaker 06

  she's a free spirit. And she's, she's got so many, so many of us are praying for her and she figures it out. She's figuring it out, just like we all are, so.

• 1:55:27Shawn Ryan?

  So your sister sees the scars. That's, that's, that's your trigger to get better? That it's, don't do this anymore? Or you started turning things around?

• 1:55:37Speaker 06

  Not turning things around. I would say that took some time. But, because I felt such, I was so upset.

• 1:55:47Speaker 06

  But my sister's look on my face was like, yeah, I can't do that anymore.

• 1:55:51Shawn Ryan?

  Well, was there something that brought you peace?

• 1:55:56Shawn Ryan?

  Specifically, or time?

• 1:55:58Speaker 06

  Time.

• 1:55:59Shawn Ryan?

  Time?

• 1:55:59Speaker 06

  Yeah. It was time. And then you get distracted, you get another job, and you keep going, and you realize, okay, you know.

• 1:56:11Speaker 06

  And how am I gonna explain? You know, then you're then photographed, and like, well, what happened to her arm? And nobody ever knew until now. That's what was going on.

• 1:56:20Shawn Ryan?

  Man. Man.

• 1:56:24Speaker 06

  But, you know.

• 1:56:28Speaker 06

  I'm doing pretty okay now. I'm doing pretty good, actually. I'm, I'm good.

• 1:56:32Shawn Ryan?

  Good. Good. Well, what was the next job?

• 1:56:37Speaker 06

  Oh, gosh, I don't know. That was after I felt such disappointment in not being able to come back and fight, because I couldn't mentally, and the vertigo, and just the failure of not being able to come back.

• 1:56:54Speaker 06

  It must have been just some of these smaller indie jobs that I did.

• 1:57:02Speaker 06

  That you learn a whole lot about the industry on.

• 1:57:06Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of stuff did you learn about the industry?

• 1:57:08Speaker 06

  Well, you just learn that, you know, producers will hire their girlfriends of the time.

• 1:57:18Speaker 06

  There's been so many times where I would take these women aside and say, you don't have to do this. How could you go to sleep with that man? How? Look at him. Look at you. You're actually a talented actress. Like, you do not have to go to this man's bed for a job. And they'd cry, and they'd say, yeah, I do. And I had multiple conversations with multiple lost souls like that, to try to get them to walk off. And they understood I was coming from a good place, because I was, I didn't need their job. I was already higher up on the, the list, you know. I, you know, never did that.

• 1:58:01Speaker 06

  And I just wanted them to know, look, I'm an action actress. I would love to have your acting ability, you know, like, go train, go do weapons, go get a skill, you know, don't make your skill sleeping with producers.

• 1:58:16Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I mean, did they, are these people that, I'm not gonna ask names, but are these people we would all know?

• 1:58:24Speaker 06

  Well, most of them now have been caught, I think, through the Me Too movement, a lot of them. I was in some of those rooms where I was like, why am I in this man's house? And it was really just funny to me. And then I'd walk past a picture and he's like, say somebody famous, you know, that everybody, everybody knows. And, oh, I took this picture and she's completely naked. And I'm like, why is she naked? And I was so naive, I'm like, what? And then I was more like, brodom out, you know, like, let's talk about fighting. I'm not putting that energy out there.

• 1:58:58Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:58Speaker 06

  And there was only one time I thought I'd have to put my elbow down the center of an actor's face, but I didn't have to.

• 1:59:07Shawn Ryan?

  Can you describe that moment?

• 1:59:10Speaker 06

  It's kind of embarrassing for him.

• 1:59:14Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that's not our problem.

• 1:59:15Speaker 06

  He was an actor that had just gone off of a pretty high-profile breakup. And he, I don't know how this happened, but, you know, I was just really heartbroken from this breakup. It was all over the Hollywood news. And the actor that I was dating had already like, started dating someone else. And I was trying to promote a movie. Well, I'm very vulnerable at this stage. And we're drinking and smoking weed. And we're at this house party. And then all of a sudden I look up and me and this actor are the only ones left in the house, in his guest house. And I thought it was his main house.

• 1:59:59Speaker 06

  And I didn't even know this man was married. And to be honest, I don't even know if he's married, but he's definitely gay.

• 2:00:07Speaker 06

  Because I saw him on set with this other actor and I was like, oh, I'm in safe hands and so I don't have to worry about being alone in this house with this gay guy who that the Hollywood doesn't know is gay. But like, I was fine. And then, um, and then he started coming on to me. And I was like, stoned and I was hot, I was drunk and I was vulnerable and confused. Finally, I just looked at him, just being very honest. I put my hands on my chest and I backed him up and I said, I thought you were gay. Just being completely honest, I thought you were gay. And he, he huffed and puffed and like walked around his kitchen and was like pretending to be upset.

• 2:00:52Speaker 06

  And I was like, no, I was on set, remember? I was on set with you and so I saw you, you are. Or at least, at least you're bi now that, now I guess you're bi, you know? And he was like, oh, all right then, you know? And then, um, I was like, I am in a bad situation. And I was like, I'm okay, you know, but like, I'm, I'm just gonna go to bed. You know, before all this happened, I was like, okay, I can stay in the guest bedroom. So I went to the guest bedroom and then my door opens up, I'm like, oh, hell, here we go. And so then I'm just like, under the covers and I'm just, all right.

• 2:01:35Speaker 06

  I'm okay, I'm sobering up, you know, things are getting like real. And, um, I was like, you need to leave. And he said, well, now all my boys, because he had like bodyguards, all my boys are gonna think I'm gay. And I'm like, I'm sure they probably already know that you are. So like, you know, so he kind of, uh...

• 2:01:57Speaker 06

  He did something that was really like embarrassing for him. And then um I was like, okay, I'm gonna put my my elbow down his uh forehead. And I will go there. And right when that was about to happen, he's like, alright. And I got up and he left and then I got up in the morning. I was like, how do I escape this compound?

• 2:02:25Speaker 06

  How do I get out of here? This is the most miserable night and I am like hungover. And I was so awkward and then like he felt absolutely probably horrified cuz you know. And he made me sit there and talk to him for two hours in the kitchen and he was horrified and. Finally got my manager to come pick me, ex-manager to come pick me up and I was like, you'll never believe what just happened. But um that was uh that was probably the most uncomfortable I've ever been.

• 2:02:58Shawn Ryan?

  How many people get sucked into this shit in Hollywood?

• 2:03:01Speaker 06

  I'd say. I mean, so you're talking to a person who who knows how to defend herself. Is feeling very confident how to handle a situation.

• 2:03:12Speaker 06

  And all of a sudden, the party just was gone and I was left there with a person, you know, like just like that. The bodyguards scattered everybody and you're, you know. So my heart does do, it goes out to uh women. You know, you know, that that wouldn't be like me, a woman off a breakup. You know, a hundred pounds, her and fifteen pounds, you know, thinking that this person's gay. You know, realizing that he's not, understand she's now in a dangerous situation. You know, there is these certain, you know. I'm fortunate because I'll go. So hard, I've been in enough fights in my life to do that, you know, to deal with, you know. Um, an actor. But I feel really awful that that happens to a lot of um.

• 2:03:58Speaker 06

  Women, but I also feel awful that a lot of women feel that they need. To sacrifice themselves in order to. You know, get that job.

• 2:04:09Speaker 06

  So I just don't work. Well, I don't work with those people anymore. You know, like, I, that was the last time I, I got offered, hey, so and so, pretty big name, wants you to, you know, be on this. And I'm like, absolutely not. Like, no. I'm not gonna work with people that make other people feel this. I'm not gonna work with people that make,

• 2:04:35Speaker 06

  in order to be a producer, they have to have girlfriends that sacrifice their bodies in order to be on set. I just won't work with people like that. So just Lone Ranger-ing it.

• 2:04:47Shawn Ryan?

  Man, man, I mean, would you say that is the, is that the majority of Hollywood?

• 2:04:56Speaker 06

  Um, I'd say.

• 2:04:59Speaker 06

  There's men. There's men. I was working with a guy that wants to be a director and, um,

• 2:05:09Speaker 06

  men are kind of, gosh, kind of funny about it, though. They're like, all right. You know, he was like, I was like, all right, well, I like our, well, you know, this is like years, like decades ago, you know, like decade, over a decade ago. And he really wanted to get his, you know, project up and moving and, um, he's, he was like in his, you know, late thirties, maybe, and he wanted this casting director female to, uh, to, to do the casting, because she had all the connections. And so he went, he went and he slept with this woman for like a year, trying to get this movie off the ground. And I was like, bro, what are you doing?

• 2:05:54Speaker 06

  Like, how? On top of what? Like, and what, you know, like, this is insanity. But, you know, there must have been perks for him, because he gets to stay somewhere free. Um, and at the same time, she just kept on leading him on and kept on leading him on. There's many stories of men doing this, you know, like taking, taking the producer, the female to producer, the female casting directors, and they're like, you know, many stories of that. Men, men are a little bit more funny about it, though, because they're just like.

• 2:06:25Speaker 06

  Got to do what you got to do. I'm taking one for the team. I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, I don't even know how that's possible. Drugs? Like Viagra? Something?

• 2:06:36Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, damn. Let's, um...

• 2:06:39Speaker 06

  Sorry. I don't know. Hope everybody doesn't mind these conversations.

• 2:06:46Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Let's take a, uh, let's take a quick break and then we'll start diving into Disney.

• 2:06:51Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 2:06:54Speaker 01

  Mr. President, my company informed me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 2:07:04Speaker 03

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 2:07:10Speaker 04

  What would happen if I stopped drilling? You're stalled, you freeze to death, that's what...

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 2:07:18Speaker 04

  I'm not the first nanny.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Under 18 without parent.

• 2:07:24Shawn Ryan?

  I know everybody out there has to be just as frustrated as I am when it comes to the BS and the rhetoric that the mainstream media continuously tries to force-feed us. And I also know how frustrating it can be to try to find some type of a reliable news source. It's getting really hard to find the truth in what's going on in the country and in the world. And so, one thing we've done here at Sean Ryan Show is we are developing our newsletter. And the first contributor to the newsletter that we have is a woman, former CIA targeter. Some of you may know her as Sarah Adams, call sign Superbad. She's made two different appearances here on the Sean Ryan Show.

• 2:08:08Shawn Ryan?

  And some of the stuff that she has uncovered and broke on this show is just absolutely mind-blowing. And so, I've asked her if she would contribute to the newsletter and give us a weekly intelligence brief. So, it's gonna be all things terrorists, how terrorists are coming up through the southern border, how they're entering the country, how they're traveling, what these different terrorist organizations throughout the world are up to. And here's the best part, the newsletter is actually free. We're not gonna spam you. It's about one newsletter a week, maybe two if we release two shows. The only other thing that's gonna be in there besides the intel brief is if we have a new product or something like that, but...

• 2:08:54Shawn Ryan?

  Like I said, it's a free CIA intelligence brief. Sign up, link's in the description or in the comments. We'll see you in the newsletter. Thank you for listening to The Sean Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to iTunes and leave The Sean Ryan Show a review. We read every review that comes through and we really appreciate the support. Thank you. Let's get back to the show. All right Gina, we're back from the break and we're getting ready to dive into Disney.

• 2:09:34Shawn Ryan?

  But before we do that, we just had a conversation off-camera about friends that we had lost. My best friend, Gabe, and I told you that story. And so, you know, like I had kind of mentioned at the beginning, you know, a lot of people in the world are going through something. And especially on this channel, it's, the audience is very, very veteran-heavy and especially

• 2:10:11Shawn Ryan?

  global war on terrorism vets and just about everybody has experienced loss. And so, you had mentioned earlier in the show that, you know, you'd lost a lot of friends to addiction. I've lost more friends than I can count to addiction and suicide. I mean, everybody knows about the, you know, the epidemic that's going on in the veteran community and first responders and, and seems to be just spreading into everything. So, what I want to ask you is how do you deal with loss?

• 2:10:50Speaker 06

  Um, how I have dealt with loss, I think throughout my life has been different and...

• 2:10:59Speaker 06

  Um, you know, I think when you're younger, you deal with it all wrong. You find every wrong way possible to hurt yourself. I think there's, there's different ways people deal with it. They deal with it by hurting others, or they deal with it by hurting themselves. And so I feel like the sensitive souls out there who don't want to hurt others end up hurting themselves. And so they hurt themselves through addiction. They hurt themselves through cutting themselves. They hurt themselves through just total and utter self-destruction. And through that, you know, they're trying not to hurt other people. But through that, through the loved ones that care about them,

• 2:11:44Speaker 06

  they end up just, you know, destroying everybody else around them because nobody can stop self-destruction except for the part of the self or divine intervention. So, um, I, I, you know, I think having a healthy outlet such as like mixed martial arts, I encourage that to everyone because that's what helped me. Or finding, um, you know, like that certain physical activity and that routine every single day that you stick to, that is your checklist. For instance, you know, I almost want to write a book that, you know, it's, it's hard for people, some people, just to get out of bed for weeks at a time.

• 2:12:29Speaker 06

  They can't get out of bed. And I've been there, um, not being able to get myself out of bed. And then it starts with getting yourself, like when I lost my best friend in 2021, I think it was, or 2022. Um, I couldn't get out of bed. I just sunk into this manic depression. And it took me about three weeks till I was able to answer a phone call or, um, you know, like I just started to try to do those little regular things where you take the shower, you shave your legs, you take a walk, you, you know,

• 2:13:12Speaker 06

  try to like get your body moving. Because once you get your body moving and you start looking at the world and you start to do regular things like grocery shop again, and then you hit a place where you can't get out of bed again, you know? So it's like. You just, you just handle it differently. People like you with, you know, a wife and kid have to maybe put on a different face than I've had to put on, which is hard because I get, I've gotten to hide my depression or my low points. But when you have a family and I, and when you're the head of your household, that's just gotta be so brutal to try to put on that brave face for your children and for your wife and keep going.

• 2:13:57Speaker 06

  But also, it could be maybe a nice distraction as well.

• 2:14:02Speaker 06

  Because being in your head for and alone in depression, I think, is where we find a lot of kids at, a lot of people at, they're able to disappear. And it might be the worst thing that they can do to themselves because they'll just sink further and further into their manic.

• 2:14:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:20Speaker 06

  Depression, so.

• 2:14:24Speaker 06

  I had somebody call me recently and say, you know, they were in a bad place. And I said, alright, well, just pick out the things that you're doing to hurt yourself, you know? Drugs, alcohol, women, you know, sex, like what is the thing that is you're using to hurt yourself? And he told me and I said, do me a favor and let that go. Give your ti, yourself a timeframe to heal so that, because the world's gonna need you. And they need you to be healthy. We need more men and more women to be healthier than ever. And you're powerful and you're beautiful and I need, and I need you to be healthy. So, he said, okay.

• 2:15:08Speaker 06

  And he stopped drinking for, and doing whatever he was doing for about eight weeks. And I saw him not too long ago and, and he was happy. And he was clean and he was not hurting himself and excited about the future, so. That would be the one thing is drop what you're using to hurt yourself. And then focus on control the controllables, right? I can control getting up and take a shower. I can control what I'm gonna put in my body today. I can control going for a walk. I can control calling my mom, cuz I know that's a responsible thing to do, I need to do. I can control the controllables and let all the other chaos go.

• 2:15:53Speaker 06

  And you're not... You know, I remember looking in the mountains in Montana and thinking, "I gotta get myself together. I'm not gonna change the world by being an absolute wreck."

• 2:16:07Speaker 06

  So I remember thinking like, I think it's, I've been through a lot in the last couple of years. And I just remember thinking and looking in the mountains and I'm like, "I need to watch sunsets. I need to, I need to live. And I need to stop obsessing about things that I cannot control." And, um, and also, my utmost thing is Jesus Christ. My utmost thing is turning to God. If I don't wake up and I don't read that, my Bible in the morning, my whole day's a wreck. I'm hitting my head on cabinets. I'm almost like getting car crashes. Like, I'm literally just an absolute mess. And that's the one thing that like, I know I, if I don't start off my day like that,

• 2:16:52Speaker 06

  um, then I'm, you know, I feel like the whole day is not set off right. So that's personally what I do.

• 2:17:02Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever thought about how that person that you're mourning would want you to live in those moments?

• 2:17:14Speaker 06

  In the moments of?

• 2:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  Grief?

• 2:17:17Speaker 06

  He would, he would be so upset with me if he saw me crying. He passed two days ago with his, um, I guess his death anniversary and...

• 2:17:30Speaker 06

  He would just, he didn't want anybody to cry for him ever. Because he went through a lot too in his life. And um, don't cry for me. Don't, don't you, don't you start, you know? But a really beautiful thing happened. Uh, the last anniversary of his death, I had a beautiful moment where I had this incredible dream where we got to hang out and I got to see him. And um, we were hanging out in my dream and it was just like wonderful, so, you know. Um, I think, I think he's happy now because I believe he's in heaven. I believe he loved Jesus and I love,

• 2:18:15Speaker 06

  I believe he was just, he had servant tattooed across his back because he said that's the best thing you could possibly be in life is a servant. Um, he's incredibly special. So, uh, he's in a good place. And after he died, I just looked up. I was in Arizona. I just looked up and I could just hear him free of his body and just could hear his big, heavy laughter all over the sky. And I just felt like he's, well, he's free now, you know? We're the ones that are trapped here.

• 2:18:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:18:58Speaker 06

  So he would want me to, I think, I just think he'd be laughing at how much, how much trouble I'm causing down here. He wouldn't be surprised, but he'd be laughing with me.

• 2:19:12Shawn Ryan?

  What do you make of that dream?

• 2:19:16Speaker 06

  I think it's God's blessing. It's a little, I got, I have had dreams since I was young that are extremely vivid and very, um, I remember I did an essay in college about a dream of mine. And she wrote on the essay, she's like, I hope you're not some sort of, you know, I don't know, uh, psychic or prophet or something like that. She wrote that on my paper and I got an A plus. I was like, no, I'm just, I think, um, I think sometimes God just gives you little glimpses into things that, you know.

• 2:19:59Speaker 06

  Help sometimes or enlighten you or, you know, sometimes dreams are just dreams. That's all they are. They're just dreams. And, you know, sometimes I think Satan can use dreams as negatively as he can, you know, he can too as well. So you have to not probably too much, put too much weight in it and just let them be what they are and enjoy the good ones because the bad ones are there.

• 2:20:28Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think they're always with us.

• 2:20:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:20:36Shawn Ryan?

  I just had a crazy experience.

• 2:20:42Shawn Ryan?

  And it kind of goes back to, do you want to hear this?

• 2:20:45Speaker 06

  Yes, please.

• 2:20:50Shawn Ryan?

  So that hockey jersey down there that you just saw.

• 2:20:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:20:53Shawn Ryan?

  That's, that's my best friend's hockey jersey. And it's the first thing for everybody listening, it's the first thing you see when you walk in the studio. And I told you that jersey, so Gabe died of a heroin overdose.

• 2:21:12Shawn Ryan?

  And they found him. So he was trying to get this, this hockey team, a wounded warriors hockey team sponsored by the NHL, which would have been the first, the first wounded warrior hockey team sponsored by an NHL team. And he'd, he was telling me this while he was addicted, was struggling with his addiction, which anybody that has seen somebody struggling, especially from an opiate addiction, it's, it's a rough sight.

• 2:21:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:21:43Shawn Ryan?

  And he was telling me how he was just walking into the Panthers arena and just gonna make this happen. I'm like, okay, Gabe, I don't think that's gonna happen, but wish you the best of luck. Well, I'll be damned. He fucking got it. He got it. And the Panthers signed off on it. And they went to his house to tell him that they'd signed off on it. And he had died in that, in his, in his condo. That's how he was found, was getting the news that they were, Panthers were gonna sponsor his team. Well.

• 2:22:25Shawn Ryan?

  I got one of the first jerseys that they ever made and had it framed. And you saw it's a huge frame. It's heavy, probably weighs 50 pounds. And we had just done this thing in Vienna, which

• 2:22:43Shawn Ryan?

  with the commander, Masood, the leader of the Afghan resistance. And that got me super paranoid about our government.

• 2:22:54Speaker 06

  Oh, I bet.

• 2:22:56Shawn Ryan?

  And we're, I mean, this team has got this in front of Congress. And it's looking like we're going to probably shut down, not just us, but all the people that have been involved with this lead up. It looks like we're going to shut down over a billion dollars of funding a year to the fucking Taliban. The government is aiding the Taliban now. And so we brought attention to that anyways.

• 2:23:25Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh, that's huge. And that's

• 2:23:27Shawn Ryan?

  We get

• 2:23:27Speaker 06

  That's coming out right now.

• 2:23:29Shawn Ryan?

  It's actually, it's right now.

• 2:23:30Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 2:23:31Shawn Ryan?

  And as we're having this, it's premiering on our channel.

• 2:23:36Speaker 06

  Congratulations.

• 2:23:37Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. And it already, Tim Burchett

• 2:23:39Speaker 06

  And thank you.

• 2:23:40Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. I mean, somebody's got to do it. Tim Burchett brought it to Congress and brought up the fact that, hey, we're sending 87 million dollars a week to the fucking Taliban. And he wrote a bill up, it passed the House, now it's going to the Senate. So we're making waves and we're pissing a lot of people off. And we're shutting funding down to one of the biggest terrorist organizations in the world.

• 2:24:05Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 2:24:06Shawn Ryan?

  So that brings a certain amount of fear and

• 2:24:11Speaker 06

  When you say fear, are you talking about fear from what you just saw the other night with Trump?

• 2:24:20Shawn Ryan?

  That, I mean,

• 2:24:23Shawn Ryan?

  I don't think it's any secret how corrupt our government is and I mean, all the Boeing whistleblowers have been assassinated.

• 2:24:30Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 2:24:31Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, they tried to assassinate Kavanaugh, the Epstein judge they tried to assassinate. I mean, it's not like I'm fucking just a crazy cuckoo.

• 2:24:41Speaker 06

  No, no.

• 2:24:41Shawn Ryan?

  Paranoid veteran, you know?

• 2:24:43Speaker 06

  It's it's the fact that nobody's talking about it.

• 2:24:47Shawn Ryan?

  So we came.

• 2:24:47Speaker 06

  Talking about assassinations that are actually taking place. That we always notice them that they happen in Russia and they happen in all these other places. And we always like to point the finger and like, wow, that's so crazy that's happening here. It's hap- it's happening there. It's happening here.

• 2:25:01Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh. All the time.

• 2:25:03Speaker 06

  And that the other day with Trump's almost assassination, what just I think ripped the the Band-Aid off.

• 2:25:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:13Speaker 06

  And let everybody know um the desperation of where we're at is that, oh no, they will try to kill him.

• 2:25:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:23Speaker 06

  And they will try to, if they kill him, they could try to kill you. And they could try to kill anyone that opposes them.

• 2:25:31Shawn Ryan?

  It just keeps happening. I mean, wasn't it Obama's chef mysteriously drowned, fell off his paddleboard and mysteriously drowned in a in a pond?

• 2:25:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:25:40Shawn Ryan?

  And that's happened to, I don't want to say any names.

• 2:25:44Speaker 06

  Apparently a lot of chefs.

• 2:25:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of chefs that have mysteriously drowned and and and

• 2:25:53Shawn Ryan?

  well-to-do politicians.

• 2:25:55Speaker 06

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 2:25:59Shawn Ryan?

  Anyways, so we get home from this trip and I'm really paranoid. I'm I'm like, fuck, like, am I overstepping here? I don't care. This is what the country needs. So I get home on a Thursday, I come in to the studio on Friday, which is June 28th. And the anniversary of Red Wings, which I had told you offline, Gabe, was a big part of that.

• 2:26:21Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 2:26:22Shawn Ryan?

  Come in and that big picture frame is on the floor.

• 2:26:28Shawn Ryan?

  And that frame has been there for three, is hanging there for three years.

• 2:26:39Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm like asking some of the people that work here, which almost all of them were with me in Vienna, except my assistant. And I'm, I'm, I'm like, what hap- did you see this thing? Did you take this off the wall? Cause it wasn't broken, there's no glass broken, the frame's in perf- I mean, you saw it. It's in perfect condition. There was a bug light under it, it knocked the bug light off. And I'm like, fuck, like, is Gabe trying to warn me something? You know, is he trying to tell me something? And, um, I was the last one out of the, out of the studio, last one out of the building. And I'm just kind of pacing in the parking lot by my car, just like talking to Gabe.

• 2:27:24Shawn Ryan?

  Like, what are you trying to tell me, man? What am I, what should I be looking out for? Like, you got my attention, that frame has been there for three years. I go home. And I'm trying not to get emotional, but, uh, I'm telling my wife about what happened. And she goes, Sean, the Panthers just won the fucking Stanley Cup. And I found the frame on June 28th, which is the anniversary of Red Wings, which is another huge part of Gabe's past. And like, in that moment, I was just overwhelmed with emotion

• 2:28:09Shawn Ryan?

  and, uh, positive emotion. And I just started laughing and I was like, I can fucking hear him up there right now going, no, you dumb shit. I'm not trying to warn you about anything. The Panthers just won the fucking Stanley Cup and it's the anniversary of June 28th. And, and, uh, but you know, like, there's just too many coincidences. And I don't really believe in coincidences anymore anyways.

• 2:28:37Speaker 06

  No, I don't believe in luck and I don't believe in coincidences.

• 2:28:41Shawn Ryan?

  But it's proof. To me, that is a little dose of proof that there is life after death. And that our people are still watching over us. And I've always felt that, um, with Gabe and, um,

• 2:29:03Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it's just, and it's really weird, like you were just kinda talking about the Bible and we we do a very small Bible study at my house every week, actually it's tonight.

• 2:29:16Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 2:29:16Shawn Ryan?

  Every Tuesday, yeah, we do it and um and a couple of weeks ago, there was a gentleman in there, a close friend of ours and he he was talking, we were talking about life after death and your soul kinda carrying on and what is it, what would it be like? And he said,

• 2:29:41Shawn Ryan?

  "Well, maybe it doesn't carry on because

• 2:29:46Shawn Ryan?

  what were you doing before you were born?"

• 2:29:50Shawn Ryan?

  And that like, even as a kid, that's one of the only things that really scared the shit out of me is what if you die and that's, that's just, you just, it's lights out. And I've thought about that. Like that actually, that conversation bothered me because I was like, fuck, I don't know what the hell, I don't, nobody has any memories of one before they were born. So maybe there was nothing, but then something like that happens and...

• 2:30:19Speaker 06

  I think um, an older lady told me, "It's heaven's wink." It's heaven's wink, just to let you know. And I think that um, one thing that I've learned and grew up with and I think is so many people get so fascinated with the life after death that they go searching for it and they try to contact it and they can, you know, they, they wanna access it. Well, I do believe in um...

• 2:30:45Shawn Ryan?

  Mediumship?

• 2:30:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:30:47Shawn Ryan?

  Is that what you're talking about?

• 2:30:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, like, or just, you know, just trying to, uh, there's, there's doors you, you open in life, in my, in my belief system. And you have to be careful which doors you open. Um, and so the door I open into what happens life after death.

• 2:31:07Speaker 06

  I um go through Jesus on that. I don't, he's to me, the one that gave me life and the opportunity to go into heaven. And that is who I'll communicate until I get to heaven and figure it out. Um, and he's the only one I'll go to. Um, of course, like, you know, I think, I think about Anthony and I think about his bellowing laugh. And I think about my Papa. And I've had really strange experiences spiritually of like, um, after my grandfather died, um, I had two months of just uh spiritual warfare that was happening.

• 2:31:49Speaker 06

  And I, I could hear uh voices and I can hear, you know, um, like pu- like, like walking. And it was just like this evil presence was like around me. And I actually started wa- watching, you know, I was reading my Bible and I couldn't, I was so sensitive at that time, I couldn't watch regular television. And so I started watching The Chosen, which my mom was like, you should watch The Chosen. And I'm like, I'm not watching The Chosen, okay? And then I started watching The Chosen and my heart started calming down. The, whatever that evil presence was that was just taunting and haunting me through my dreams. Um, where you, you know, that thing where you sit, something sits on your, your chest

• 2:32:33Speaker 06

  and you can't breathe and you wake up and you're like, ah! Like, and you just, you know, it was just happening more aggressively than it ever had happened. Cause I got rid of that, all that spiritual kind of like stuff a long time ago. And it came back, um. And do I think that was like, and had anything to do with my grandfather? And where his soul is? No. I don't think it has anything to do with it. But I believe in my grieving process, I had opened a door somewhere, um, which I, I know where. And I um, I let in a darkness that taunted me for two months. And I needed to um, I just needed to get back to talking to Jesus and saying,

• 2:33:18Speaker 06

  "Okay, walk me through how to get this door closed," you know?

• 2:33:22Shawn Ryan?

  Can I ask what that door was?

• 2:33:27Speaker 06

  Um, it was, it was personal.

• 2:33:31Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:33:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was really personal. But I felt like that's, I know, I feel like I have an idea of what it was.

• 2:33:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I feel like you do open doors in life. And um, things happen due to those open doors. And if you really want that door to close, if you want that torment to stop. Um, and my belief, it's through Jesus. And it's not gonna be through trying to contact the dead. Or trying to contact spirits. Or selling your soul to Satan. Because you think, a lot of people out there, there's this belief system that, okay, if I just already get on this side, who, you know, the Satan's team, then I'm not gonna be tormented because I'm on your team, Satan. You know, so you're not gonna hurt me, I'm on your team.

• 2:34:25Speaker 06

  And those end up being the most tormented people.

• 2:34:28Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:34:28Speaker 06

  You know, they think, hey, why would you do this to me? Because he hates you. He wants you to just completely destroy us. He hates humanity, he hates what God's creation is. It's why he, he destroys everything that's beautiful. And, you know, it's awful, like, what we consider beauty. And what really is truly beautiful, you know? It's awful how we're all trying to stay so young and destroying ourselves. When you sit next to your grandmother and you think, my gosh, how beautiful are you? Or when somebody's aged beautifully and they allowed themselves to just kind of naturally do it.

• 2:35:13Speaker 06

  And I'm, you know, like, I'm, I'm trying to like, learn in my Montana life. I try to like, learn, because I, I grew up in Las Vegas. And I grew up in, you know, Los Angeles. And all of this was just a culture to me, you know, like, breast implants, obviously, twenty-two years old, okay, let's do those, you know, you know, like, this was a culture. But Satan loves to take beautiful, natural bodies and say, no, no, that's not the way it's supposed to be. That's not what you're supposed to be. This is what you're supposed to be over here. And um.

• 2:35:47Speaker 06

  It's so awful and so ugly. That that is the biggest lie like that.

• 2:35:56Shawn Ryan?

  Was your faith always as strong Debbie? Did you grow up?

• 2:35:59Speaker 06

  No, actually, it's just getting stronger by the sentence. Um, I got really close to God. Um, when I was going through my cancellation. Because I knew that internally I couldn't not speak. Um, I didn't have children. And I want, I didn't want it to get to the place where there would be forced vaccinations and forced all this, all the things that did happen. I didn't want to get to the point where people who had families were losing their jobs. And, you know, couldn't afford to, um, you know, keep their kids. And so me and Kevin didn't have kids.

• 2:36:38Speaker 06

  So I thought, and Kevin was right on board with me, you know, like, uh, his family's very natural. Um, I don't think anti vax is necessarily a bad word. They, you know, um, they grew up, you know, very just kind, almost like hippies. You know, and they're all really healthy. Um, and, and so he already had that kind of naturally like in his, his, uh, his, his family makeup. And, and it's not to say like, I don't mind. I love modern medicine. I mean, I think it does some incredible things like, you know, my dad has two knee surgeries

• 2:37:18Speaker 06

  and can now ski and travel and ski and enjoy life, you know, and, um, you know, heart, you know, like heart transplants that were like heart, like things that ways that God has allowed us to really like explore how to help each other. So I think modern medicine and modern, you know, stuff is wonderful. But I also think that at the same time, what has Satan done? He's come and he's taken that and he's made his evil version of, um, forcing things on people such as vaccines and, um, making so many drugs, okay, to take as children, put them on ADHD because they don't want to sit at a desk for eight hours.

• 2:38:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:03Speaker 06

  When they should be outside, learning about life or learning how to change a tire or learning how to do taxes and, you know, it's just.

• 2:38:14Speaker 06

  I don't know. Yeah, Satan has a knack for, even with climate change. You know, it does say in Revelation, you know, that these things will transpire. Like, there's going to be, you know, death, destruction, there's going to be famine. The world's going to shake, there's going to be earthquakes, it's going to be, there's going to be fires. So what does Satan go and take that? He tell, you know, he takes that because he knows it's coming. And he turns it into his own, hey, men, humans. Let you guys go ahead and play God and pretend like you guys can control this. And you play God with climate change. And my belief isn't that we shouldn't pick up after we should, you know, you know,

• 2:38:57Speaker 06

  like, we should keep our spaces clean. And we should clean up. And if, you know, if there's a way to recycle and make something new and not waste, 100%.

• 2:39:06Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:39:07Speaker 06

  But you are not going to play God. And that's what Satan's made. These globalists believe that they can play God and that they are their own gods. And it's just a horrible, ugly thing that they're using. And that they will use until, you know, the end.

• 2:39:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. When you talk about people that are... Where am I going with this? Where am I, I'm going, I want to know about satanic rituals and, and, and that's out of the fence in Hollywood. Because we hear all about it. And you're kind of just speaking on the fact that people will go that road because they think they're going to befriend him or something. I mean, how relevant is that in your experience in Hollywood?

• 2:40:06Speaker 06

  Well, I, just from watching and being spiritually aware, I guess, you know, some of these actors that do so well, it's like, well, I am my own God. And that is, you know, they have everything together. You know, they have the wife, they have the kids, they have the, they don't, they don't drink alcohol. They're in shape and all of this, but they believe they are their own God. And um.

• 2:40:33Shawn Ryan?

  Do they say that? Do they articulate?

• 2:40:34Speaker 06

  Yeah. A lot, a lot of people say that they're their own God. And it's a scary thing because I feel, I feel like that's almost a harder wall to break down than maybe drugs or alcohol or sex or something that's more obvious. Is that when you believe that you are your own God. Um, that doesn't really like leave room for the real God. Um, and have I been always the spiritual, I mean. N- n- no. I found out through the hardships of the entire industry turning against me and being dropped on my head. Pretty do- pretty damn hard.

• 2:41:18Speaker 06

  That um. I just read a scripture and Psalms, that's where I started. Every morning I'd write, I'd read a chapter in Psalms. And I also read this book called Silver Refined. And the book was basically saying it's not going to be easy. But you'll get through it and it'll be worth it. And um. You'll be refined. And so who I was in twenty nineteen was a woman who could have gone to live in New York in a condo and not gone and dedicated myself to this relationship and um. Could have ended up, you know. Experimenting more with whatever, everything.

• 2:42:02Speaker 06

  I, I could have ended up anywhere at twenty nineteen. I was, you know, just kind of floating through life. Um, and very excited about my career. And then it took uh twenty twenty.

• 2:42:16Speaker 06

  In 2021, for all of these people, Disney and Lucasfilm, to make me really think about, oh geez, where is my line? Like, that's not what I want to say, and that's not what I want to... I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. But I feel like you're pushing your ideologies on me, and you are. And you're backing me into corners that I had to draw a line. And they kept crossing it. And that's the legal part. Like, you can believe what you believe. And I've lived in Vegas and Los Angeles, like, my entire life. I've had every single one of these...

• 2:43:02Speaker 06

  We, you know, snuck into strip clubs when we were 17 years old, you know? Like, it's not been like that sheltered. And I find, I found myself drawing my line. And the more I drew my line and held on to God, the more I realized, okay.

• 2:43:21Speaker 06

  All right. I, I do not worship your business. And I have this in an email, which is why I don't mind if my emails come out. It said, "I do not worship your business.

• 2:43:34Speaker 06

  And I have done plenty wrong in my life that I will need to account for and I will need to apologize for. But at this moment, I haven't done anything wrong. And I am not going to put out one of these fake apologies that you have all everybody else put out, that mean nothing, that degrade them, that take away from their words. They're basically using these... Every celebrity who apologized, they took their voice away to where the next time they speak, you know, it doesn't mean anything. Because it's just a copied, pasted, regular apology. And I was not going to do that. So I wrote out my own long, big statement.

• 2:44:19Speaker 06

  I was like, you want me to make a statement? I'll make a statement. And it wasn't offensive. It was very, I understand. I grew up a tomboy. I understand that things are different and people are going through things. And it was a very well-written thing. It's just, I don't worship your business. And my God is bigger than Disney. So that, this is where I'm at. And I'm, so hopefully, hopefully those emails get to get printed or read one day and help shed some light on what was going on. But, um.

• 2:44:55Shawn Ryan?

  Can you talk about your experience with Disney and kind of what happened there?

• 2:44:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was just, if I would have been saying and doing the things that I did then, now, um, I would be fine. Um, it was because I was so, I was early and I, I kind of could see where all of this was going. I knew from having two grandfathers have their own business and started from scratch that, um, we're going to shut those people down. Uh, what is essential and what is not? You know, when you're, you're, you're like, Walmart's more essential than this, you know, Italian restaurant that's just getting off its feet and has to feed their family?

• 2:45:40Speaker 06

  Like what, uh, or a tiny family-owned grocery store or a convenience store? That Walmart's more, uh, important? And so, nothing was making sense and I could see where this was going. And it was the largest, most fraudulent wealth transfer in, you know, basic, I think, history is that they are destroying through their mandates, um, the middle class and also the people that will do as they say and be a part of our group or not. And, you know, they're trying to make that divide. And um, did, did so successfully.

• 2:46:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:27Speaker 06

  So, I um, I was speaking about, you know, mandating vaccines before they even mandated it. I was speaking about, my grandfather went to the hospital and he had dementia. And they wouldn't let anybody go in with him. And he couldn't get a catheter because he had some surgical stuff going on. He can explain that to the nurse. And his, his records aren't all there. And things got so messed up in the hospitals. Hospitals were being paid for every vaccinated person they got on a ventilator. You know, like, it was just so corrupt. And so.

• 2:47:05Speaker 06

  I, I just wasn't gonna stay quiet. People were watching their loved ones die over FaceTime. That wasn't okay.

• 2:47:13Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:13Speaker 06

  You know? We weren't completely ignoring the vaccine injured and the vaccine deaths. And putting up on the news, all of the deaths and fear mongering people into anxiety and to. I, I wonder how many people died of anxiety induced fear. You know what I mean? Um, and the mental health and the drugs and the alcohol and taking a, a driver who needed that kind of, you know, some people need that regulated like, day. This is what I do every day in order to stay sane. And you took that away from them and put them at home with screaming kids and wife and all this other stuff.

• 2:47:55Speaker 06

  And it's like, suicides went up and it's like, I knew that that was gonna happen. And I wasn't gonna stay quiet about it. And then alls I did was beep, bop, boop, a couple people and all of a sudden meltdown happened. Um, and it really wasn't a, I figured, what is the least offensive thing that you could possibly put in your bio?

• 2:48:20Shawn Ryan?

  So they were trying to get you to do the pronouns, right?

• 2:48:23Speaker 06

  Right. Like, put, put this, say trans lives matter, you know, put your pronouns in your bio, blah, blah, blah. And I was like.

• 2:48:32Shawn Ryan?

  How do they approach you with that?

• 2:48:33Speaker 06

  Well, the mob online was doing it. And obviously, you know, a lot of the Disney and Lucasfilm people were, you know, going along with it.

• 2:48:44Speaker 06

  And there's a lot of people Lucasfilm pays to, as well, to put pressure on.

• 2:48:51Speaker 06

  So it was just a whole big deal. And I gotta say-

• 2:48:54Shawn Ryan?

  So it was online pressure?

• 2:48:56Speaker 06

  It was online. It was through websites, podcasters. It was through people that Lucasfilm paid. It was through employees of theirs. It was through Disney. It was through just random bots. You know, they had bot farms.

• 2:49:11Speaker 06

  And it was just basically online from that. And here you have like PR people that have worked for Disney and they know smear campaigns when they see them, right? They've worked for, you know, for them for 30 years. And you're not gonna, you're like, you're gonna tell me you can't see a smear campaign? You can't see attacks that are actually, like, that's happening to me? And they defend other actors. But I just wasn't, I wasn't a part of their, I wasn't going along with their narrative. So they never defended me. They defended so many other actors and actresses. Oh, yeah, you know, we defend this person from bullying. And I got it way worse than anyone in the Star Wars universe. And that is saying quite a lot.

• 2:49:56Speaker 06

  That's saying a lot.

• 2:49:58Shawn Ryan?

  How were they coming at you?

• 2:49:59Speaker 06

  Just like by the thousands. Like death threats and just online, just, I mean, oh, my word. I've never, I don't think most of us have seen anything like that. I got it so hard. And, you know, it was just-

• 2:50:26Speaker 06

  It's just a crazy moment in life that I apparently needed to see and understand that that's what happens. Because online, it's really interesting. The court session, we're waiting for the judge to, um, she's either going to allow the dismissal of, uh, that Disney has, Disney has requested to dismiss my case. So, okay, this life doesn't matter. We messed up. This life doesn't matter. Let's just kind of like push her off to the side. And they're trying to pretend like it's not a big deal. When it is, their stocks, their stocks plummeted from the day that they let me go. And they know it's a big deal, but they're trying to pretend like it's not. But, so we're waiting for the judge to either allow that dismissal or to allow us to go

• 2:51:11Speaker 06

  into discovery. And, um, and discovery I'm completely fine with. I've already sent all of my, my interactions over to my lawyers and they've looked through it, you know, in depth. And so now we get to go into who we get to, um, if we get to, you know, continue on, which we are actively moving on. So we get to go into discovery and find out what was going on behind their scenes.

• 2:51:40Shawn Ryan?

  So just to fill in a couple of blanks here, for those that don't know, I'm sure most everybody does, but there was a, a series of tweets that came out, uh, from you. And without going through all of them, I'll just, we'll just put them up on, on screen. But it sounded like, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like the major one was when you were, you changed, you did change your pronouns or add your pronouns as, uh, beep, bop, boo.

• 2:52:10Speaker 06

  Which to me-

• 2:52:11Shawn Ryan?

  Which is really offensive.

• 2:52:12Speaker 06

  So, to me, in my head, I was looking, I really study, you know, like I really, like I look at like the, I guess I study social behavior. And I was like, you got all these people who don't even have their pronouns up telling me- About pronouns and they have trash panda and they have all this weird kind of like stuff in their pronouns. And so I was like, okay, so you guys want me to put something in my bio? All right, yeah, I'm gonna put something in my bio and they of course were wanting a he, her, they, them, him, you know, of course, that's what they wanted and I just put beep bop boop. And it wasn't, to me, that wasn't just, I was like,

• 2:52:55Speaker 06

  I'm just proving to you, you can put anything you want in your bio. Simply put, nothing to do with your pronouns, nothing to do with the transgender community, nothing, just, you can put whatever you want. And that just had the biggest meltdown and you should have seen it in court the other day. I just couldn't believe it. He was like, your honor,

• 2:53:16Speaker 06

  your honor, she was making fun of the transgender community and put beep bop a boop in her bio and I was like, um, that is most ridiculous. Can you hear yourself, sir? Like beep bop boop? You, you tried Harvey Weinstein, you defended him and you're talking about beep bop boop right now? Are you kidding me? This is wild and I'm just sitting there like, and I think the, um, I think the judge wasn't, virtue signaling behind a computer, right? Looks a lot different than virtue signaling behind, um, you know, in front of a judge.

• 2:53:54Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:53:54Speaker 06

  And it looks absolutely ridiculous.

• 2:53:57Shawn Ryan?

  How was the judge?

• 2:53:58Speaker 06

  She was wonderful, actually. She was very smart. She knew the cases. I, it actually gave me, um, I was really proud to see a one, a strong female up there, really kind of looking down, assessing the situation, knowing what's going on, um, and, and she's a Democrat. Biden, Biden appointed a Democrat in 2022, but she was looking down and, um, she had, she had control of the room. And I liked that. Cause there was no virtue signaling, you know, it's gonna be an honest courtroom, it felt like, and I, and I respected that.

• 2:54:42Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that's nice to hear.

• 2:54:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:54:45Shawn Ryan?

  You don't hear very many people saying that's an honest courtroom anymore.

• 2:54:48Speaker 06

  I, and I hope it is, you know, yeah, I really feel like, um, You know, I brought my Bible with me. I had that in my purse. And um, I just want it to be... I don't know about what happens in the future. I just want, I want this to, to change things in a positive way. So that I can put a period on this end of my chapter. Move on with whatever is in my future, which I love telling stories. And I think that's gonna be a big part of it.

• 2:55:27Speaker 06

  And I wanna, I wanna move on with my life because of the embarrassment and the shame that I was carrying around for the last four years. It was not mine to carry and it wasn't right. And nobody else, you know, if it had been any other actress that went through this or actor, I don't think that they would have been able... They would have worshipped this business and I don't. And they wouldn't, they would have probably committed suicide from the amount of pressure and abuse that I went through.

• 2:55:57Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 2:55:59Speaker 06

  So hopefully this can right some wrongs, which we need.

• 2:56:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:05Speaker 06

  We need a lot of, a lot of good people. No matter if you're Democrat, a Republican, Independent, no matter if you're um, from the United States, coming into the United States, no matter if you're from wherever you are in the world. We need um, honest, good people to stand up, be courageous. We need to, we need support. We need um, mercy. And we need justice. Or else we're just going to allow this uh, corruption to take hold. And you know, this next election, I'd say is very important.

• 2:56:46Speaker 06

  And so um, I'm all about not giving up. And I think uh, more of us are coming together and realizing it's a...

• 2:57:01Speaker 06

  It's gotta be all of us together. You know, you gotta put some of your differences aside and come together and save this country. Because when this country's a disaster, the rest of the world ends up completely losing their shit.

• 2:57:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, we're saying that right now.

• 2:57:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 2:57:20Shawn Ryan?

  How did you?

• 2:57:25Shawn Ryan?

  How did you know you were fired?

• 2:57:27Speaker 06

  They just, they told somebody, said on, they leaked it. So what they do is they leak it to news outlets. So somebody from Disney, Lucasfilm leaked it to Variety. And said that Gina, we are no longer, you know,

• 2:57:51Speaker 06

  Gina's no longer employed with Lucasfilm and have no intentions to be. Nevertheless, we feel like she's been denigrating people off of their cultural and religious beliefs, which was absolutely insane. Because what I was calling for was like, any history Instagram could post the posts that I put, and it would be accurate and be true. You know, it was just calling to not demonize neighbors. It just so happened that it was referring to the Holocaust, like,

• 2:58:27Speaker 06

  people didn't just wake up Nazis, you know, you, they massaged people's like, you know,

• 2:58:36Speaker 06

  they massaged people into kind of like making it okay to demonize your neighbor. And so a neighbor you could have been having dinner with, say, 10 years earlier, "Oh yeah, come on over and, you know, like, let's share dinner." Now you're watching that same neighbor get hauled off to a concentration camp and all of their furniture is getting displayed and, you know, ruined. And, you know, they're running through houses looking for, you know, Jewish people. And so we didn't just jump to that. It was a slower progression of neighbor hating neighbor. And the propaganda machine pumping that. And what I was saying through my tweet, I didn't call anybody a Nazi.

• 2:59:20Speaker 06

  I didn't refer to anybody as Hitler, like the left has been doing for about ever now. I just simply said, you know, it didn't start off here. And it wasn't even my words. It was just a little clip that I put up on like they used to have a fleet section, which is like a story section on Twitter. It was just kind of something I put up that I thought everybody could, you know, relate to. And what it got to was all of the Hollywood media took it, including Disney and Lucasfilm said, well, she's comparing Republicans to Jewish people in the Holocaust. And she's done it, you know, she's trivializing it and she's antisemitic.

• 3:00:02Speaker 06

  And I'm like, how is, how is calling for like, she's denying the Holocaust? I'm like, that's not, that's not at all how I read that.

• 3:00:12Shawn Ryan?

  Can I read it?

• 3:00:13Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 3:00:15Shawn Ryan?

  Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbors, even by children, her post stated, because history is edited. Most people today don't realize that to get to that point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews. That's what the post said.

• 3:00:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. And also says, how is that any different than hating somebody off of their political beliefs? And I think that's where they really had a problem with me saying that. But were Nazis not politicians? Was that not political? And so if you just took that first sentence, oh, she's a Holocaust denier. When you say the whole thing together, you're saying Nazis got to, there's no denying Nazis were Nazis. They got to that place through neighbors, hating neighbors. And basically, we should really be cautious of that now. And we should be.

• 3:01:20Speaker 06

  And look what's happened. I wasn't wrong. I wasn't wrong about warning about the division. And I thought it was something genuinely that we could all say, hey, let's not repeat history. Let's learn from it and.

• 3:01:41Speaker 06

  Let's come together, you know? Let's come together and appreciate we have our differences and get our country back on track because when you when you have a healthy country, a healthy, working country, then you've got less addiction, you've got less um broken homes, you know, like we need to get back to a healthier country because right now it's just

• 3:02:07Speaker 06

  how many people have I lost in the last, from drug overdoses to all sorts of things? And it's um, I have nieces. I have four darling nieces. And I'd at least like to buy them another twenty-five years or thirty if I can before they have to start defending this, like we're having to defend it now, you know?

• 3:02:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. You're a critical thinker. There aren't very many of those left.

• 3:02:39Speaker 06

  I think there's, there's more. There's beginning to be more.

• 3:02:44Shawn Ryan?

  There's a lot of, I think that's why we're at where we're at. I think that's

• 3:02:51Speaker 06

  Well, I think

• 3:02:53Shawn Ryan?

  They stole critical thinking from people somehow and

• 3:02:58Speaker 06

  They

• 3:03:02Speaker 06

  they don't want people to be, they threaten people's comfort. And that's why I get so many actors and actresses come up to me and, oh, I'm with you, I'm with you. It's like I had one actress sit up on stage with me at one of these fan expos. All of a sudden it become, it became kind of cool to be canceled for, you know, almost kind of cool to be canceled nowadays. And she said, and she's like, well, I'm just a phone call away from being canceled. And I'm like, you would never go through what I went through the last four years. You would never in your life. You would never go through that.

• 3:03:42Speaker 06

  And um, but I learned about life and I'm still learning about life with a clear lens. And I think I would prefer that more than anything than to walk around in ignorance and um be defending things that I didn't know I was defending and not thinking about and just trying to be a part of a group, just to be a part of a group, you know? So I, I like being in the position I am. I don't like what I had to do to get this knowledge, but um I love the lens that I'm looking through now. And I still have so much to learn, so much to learn that I'm excited about. So many books and so many

• 3:04:27Speaker 06

  things that I'm like, I feel like it's like a whole new world to me because I'm seeing it like for what it is now. I'm just, I'm just like a baby in it too because I mean, I look at you and I can only imagine the things that you've seen. And um that's fascinating to me because I don't know that at all. So it's um, it's almost just like, it's just like being born again. Like, all right, this is what the world has been. I'm like a baby learning all over again.

• 3:05:04Shawn Ryan?

  Man, and when you got canceled and fired, everybody left you, correct? The talent agency?

• 3:05:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:05:18Shawn Ryan?

  Who was the talent agency?

• 3:05:19Speaker 06

  Um, it was UTA, United Talent Artist. Um, then it was my very Democrat lawyer, who I think at some point was planning on running for some sort of office and would constantly be sending out emails about coming, you know, come to my house for this fundraiser for this Democrat. Uh, you never see that in Hollywood. Come to this Republican, you know?

• 3:05:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:46Speaker 06

  Um, and then um, the only person that stood with me was um, Scott Karp, my manager at the time. But um, I, we recently, in the last, uh, since last October parted ways, but in a very loving, caring way. That was that I needed, I think he needed to move on.

• 3:06:11Speaker 06

  Because he's been through the thick of it with me for so long. And I needed a refresh. And it was really, it was really kind of as hard, you know, but good. It wasn't a, it's not a, we both care about each other like brother and sister. And I think that'll continue on. I just need time to rebuild. And I've got this new manager who is just, he's expecting his first baby. And he wasn't even a producer. Or he wasn't even a manager, he was a producer. And I said, and I was like, I've got this lawsuit coming out and all this attention's gonna be on me for a hot two weeks, right? And I was like, it's gonna be hard. And he, we were like, thinking about doing this project together.

• 3:06:53Speaker 06

  And he's like, well, you know, Gina, if you need my help, he's this Englishman named Rob Weston. Absolute gem of a man. And we're both at these points in our careers where we really wanna dive in and tell some cool stories where we're in charge of it, executive producing. And so I have a partner now that will sit down in the writer's room and we'll go from six, or we'll go from nine AM to six. And we'll enter this, this world that we're creating in the script. And like, all these people are walking around us and, you know, Beverly Hills, like this place where people go to do this, I guess. And me, him, and this incredible writer are just sitting there and we're just developing this cool world that we're going to be able to create.

• 3:07:36Speaker 06

  And I don't even hesitate, I know that it's gonna come, I know that it's gonna happen. People understand what happened to me. It's not, it's not a secret anymore that I was, you know, railroaded. And it's, it's pretty fascinating. I don't even think Disney's lawyers believe themselves. Well, I know they don't. They're just kind of like, at one point I saw the lady and her head in her hands.

• 3:08:01Speaker 06

  She's like, oh gosh, this is like, you know, and I felt, you almost feel bad for him. Like, you're like, you don't even believe what you're saying. You know, you have such bigger problems than Beat Bop Boop, okay?

• 3:08:11Speaker 01

  Man.

• 3:08:12Speaker 06

  And you can just see, imagine what the judge is sitting there thinking. And she's probably like. And she didn't buy it. She wasn't buying it. So I don't think, you know, hopefully, prayers up that we get to move forward and close, um, however it ends up closing, move past it. I'm moving past it regardless. And I'm gonna get into uh, getting this one movie. We got a movie and we've got a, a series on the dock. Um, so they're both fun, uh, interesting. And I've been, I've been through everything from like the worst possible movies, like the worst movies ever to the best, you know,

• 3:08:53Speaker 06

  productions ever. I've seen it all, you know, and I'm, I'm so excited.

• 3:09:00Shawn Ryan?

  Good for you.

• 3:09:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:09:02Shawn Ryan?

  So with this, I wanna get to, back to lawsuit for just a little bit. And so it sounds like you kinda threw your hands up there for a little bit and put it in God's hands. And then what happened?

• 3:09:16Speaker 06

  So, well, I was holding on to, after I got fired, we went to Arizona and it was basically out in the middle of nowhere where my mom, we squatted on my mom's property for about a year and a half. Um, cause we didn't have anywhere to live, you know, couldn't live out of the RV the entire time. Well, we could've, it's nice, but um, squatted in her guest house in Arizona and just kind of like, I did a lot of fan expos, which I felt like I was nervous about doing because I was like, oh gosh, this is where artists' careers go to die is a fan expo. And so I was really just like, but this is how I'm gonna make money.

• 3:09:57Speaker 06

  And so I started doing fan expos and it just, my first one just like, in Orlando just like, blew my mind, like so much love.

• 3:10:11Speaker 06

  And we tripled our numbers. And so many people come up to my booth and mothers who are crying, "Thank you. Thank you for taking a stand." So many like, um, people that really do need the hugs. They need the love. You know, the people that show up to these things need to feel physical touch after being locked down for two years. And so, you know, some of the other actors have like, they would have like one of those like barriers so that you go and take a picture and there's a barrier in between. And I was like, screw that. I was like, these people need to be hugged. They've just been locked in their homes and they're traumatized, you know? Like, we need to get back to that.

• 3:10:53Speaker 06

  And so I just like, I just, when I go to these fan expo booths, they give me more than I could ever give them. And I am a total fan expo person now because it gives me an excuse to hug and listen to people's stories and love them and let them see my face and uh, just let them know I'm just human too. And it's just, I just got done with one in Knoxville and it was the most precious thing with the most precious people and I love it so much. So that's what I did to make money for, um, you know, since. And then, um, yeah, and then we got the Daily Wire movie going eventually after about like six to eight months since the announcement.

• 3:11:37Speaker 06

  And then we went up in Montana and just knew that's where we wanted to be.

• 3:11:43Shawn Ryan?

  I think where I was kind of going with this was Elon's attorneys.

• 3:11:49Speaker 06

  Oh, so a week before, I had prayed real hard because I was kind of holding on to this idea of justice, right? Oh, man, so much justice that hasn't happened in the world and so much injustice that is so blatant and in everybody's faces. And I just was like, God, I want justice, you know? And then it was like, you know, Gina, maybe your justice is being alive and living in a beautiful country and, you know, move, you know, moving up to Montana

• 3:12:28Speaker 06

  and having a lovely family and having a totally alternate, like, you know, your, your mind frame's different. And so you might be struggling with money, but you know? It's okay. You're gonna figure it out. And let it go. Let it go to God. Give it up. This is his. And if you have to be a common waitress, probably be a pretty bad one, but I will do it, you know? I'll do whatever. Life just. You're not a professional fighter and an actress, and I did bartend at one point, though, and I was pretty good at that. Well, my dad would disagree, but I would be better at that now, more experience.

• 3:13:11Speaker 06

  Um, so I was just kind of like, okay, well, if I'm not supposed to go back to storytelling and Hollywood and nobody's hiring me because I got completely shamed, then okay. I'll let it go if I have to. And as soon as I did that, a week later is when Elon Musk's um, attorneys who he had hired out emailed me and said, we're interested in looking into your case. And um, I had my family lawyer, Will Lemko, and I was like, are these people legit or am I being like pranked right now? Um, because Elon Musk had put up that tweet that said, if you've ever lost your job due to

• 3:13:55Speaker 06

  um, a post here on Twitter, we'd like to look into your case. So it's not just me he's helping. He's helping. He helped a college student. He's helping, I mean, he's helping a lot of people. Wow. Yeah, he's like funding their cases. Um. Wow. Oh, he's. If it wasn't for Elon Musk, we'd be in a really scary place. So he wants justice. I think he's a he's, um, I've never met him. I've never spoken to him, but I couldn't be more grateful for what he's been doing in my life. And what he's been doing, I mean, in.

• 3:14:34Speaker 06

  Not just like individual lives, but nations.

• 3:14:38Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, the guy, you know, early in the Ukraine war, I mean, I remember.

• 3:14:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:14:44Shawn Ryan?

  Him moving satellites over because nobody else would.

• 3:14:47Speaker 06

  Right.

• 3:14:48Shawn Ryan?

  So that they could have internet comms.

• 3:14:50Speaker 06

  Here you have, you know, Joe Biden has spent how mu- how many billions of dollars on all of this? And Elon Musk gets it done like that. And it's like, you're just wasting and mon- money laundering all of our tax dollars.

• 3:15:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:05Speaker 06

  And Elon Musk is using his own money to save lives. And it just angers you. So I got that email, I responded back and like, I made sure that I was, the person was legit. Emailed back and they're like, wow.

• 3:15:23Speaker 06

  Ed- Edward Trent, he's like, that's the fastest anybody's gotten back to us.

• 3:15:29Speaker 06

  It's like, well, I was, it was, you know, like, I had to get myself out of LA. I had to use the funds that was all, like, that I had to get myself into a better living situation. So my life wasn't in danger.

• 3:15:43Speaker 06

  And then, um, you know, I had to re- rebuild my life, which takes money. And I wouldn't be able to take, you, you, you know, Disney.

• 3:15:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:15:54Speaker 06

  You know, my, my family lawyer told me, he's like, this is gonna at least be initially a half a million, Gina. And what do you want to do? And I was like, I don't have that, you know? So I was like, okay, so rebuild your life it is. And, um, hopefully I get back on the horse, you know? And this all gets revealed. So the week after I gave that all over to God and I said, it's yours. A week after that is when they emailed me. And it's just been kind of like the pressure from that moment. My body's getting healthier. I was carrying a lot of shame.

• 3:16:33Speaker 06

  I was, you know, you know, food is also, you know, a thing that people, food, I think, is one of people's largest addictions. Alcohol, you know, and just kind of like shame on top of shame. And now my body is breathing again. And it's a slower process because the older you get, the harder it gets. But like, I'm. I'm coming back into myself again. And I've got my dream of like where I want my business to go. And, uh, and this court case is gonna run its course. And I think people see, I think people see it for what it is.

• 3:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  What is the, what is the best case scenario of the court? When it's over, when, when it's done?

• 3:17:23Speaker 06

  For me?

• 3:17:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:25Speaker 06

  Um, it just depends, you know? I, um, I got asked this question at the Fan Expo the other day. And, you know, um,

• 3:17:38Speaker 06

  at what point, you know? So if she refuses the dismissal of Disney, right? Then we get to go into Discovery. And, um, what we find in Discovery? So at what point does this corruption get revealed? You know, um, is my question. And at the same time, I want so badly to get back to my life. I don't wanna spend years in, um, court at the same time. So I have this battle in me and I know that the right answer will come. And I don't have that right answer at the moment. I'm definitely, I think, proven

• 3:18:21Speaker 06

  that I'm not afraid to fight and take things through to whatever end. But I also, I want this country to heal. I want to move on and I wanna make art. And I'm sure people are pretty tired of me talking anyways. And so I, and I'm sure a lot of people would like to see me get back on film and kick butt again. And that would be, that would be my victory is to have a, a movie come out where people just absolutely love. See me back in my element and, um,

• 3:19:00Speaker 06

  That would be my personal victory is succeeding and moving past the one of the worst cancellations in Hollywood history. So however that happens.

• 3:19:10Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever thought about making that your first film?

• 3:19:14Speaker 06

  My grandmother told me, she said, well, one, they tried to shave half my head for The Mandalorian. And my grandma was like, baby, don't you do that. She's like, then you're gonna have to do that all the time and that is gonna go out of style.

• 3:19:31Speaker 06

  And she said, so that's my first piece, and she's classic, she's, you know, classic Southern belle. And she said, second, don't write your biography too soon, if you're gonna write it. Don't tell your story too soon. You know, if you're gonna do that, wait until you've gotten past and you've gotten, I'm not past the struggle yet. I'm suing Disney, I'm in court, I'm, I haven't made that movie yet. I haven't gotten past to that, to that finish line where I can start my other marathon. So I will tell you this, I am going to keep it very interesting.

• 3:20:14Shawn Ryan?

  It'd be a fascinating film.

• 3:20:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:20:19Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:20:20Shawn Ryan?

  It would be.

• 3:20:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:20:23Shawn Ryan?

  And I don't know, I hope you do that.

• 3:20:28Speaker 06

  Tell my story?

• 3:20:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, in movie form.

• 3:20:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, but I'll be directing it and I'll be like, I don't know, like 55 by then, like this, give me 15 years. I've got a lot of things I need to accomplish before that one. I have a lot I wanna do.

• 3:20:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:20:47Speaker 06

  I've got a lot of ideas, I'm very creative and it's just starting to happen now.

• 3:20:54Shawn Ryan?

  Is there, I've heard rumors that

• 3:21:01Shawn Ryan?

  The longer this lawsuit drags out, and the more involved Elon gets, the lower the Disney stock tanks.

• 3:21:10Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 3:21:11Shawn Ryan?

  And that he may be

• 3:21:15Shawn Ryan?

  thinking he might buy Disney. Do you think there's any validity to that?

• 3:21:20Speaker 06

  Um, I have no idea. I think there's a lot of rumors. But I think, um, it would be pretty cool if he did.

• 3:21:30Shawn Ryan?

  I'm with you. I hope that's what's happening.

• 3:21:34Speaker 06

  I think, I think one of the things where, um, people are struggling with is fighting the cultural war. Right, you know, which is why I choose to go to the conventions where I'm not necessarily welcomed by, you know, uh, more, more liberal cities who have made judgment calls on me that they don't know why, because they've read some skewed article.

• 3:21:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:54Speaker 06

  Um, but I choose to show up because then I, uh, I get invited to go to public speaking events at Republican places. And, and I don't want to go to those. I want to stay in the art space. Because that's where people shy away from. And that's where we, we need to be. We need to, somebody needs to be fighting in the art space. And, um, that's what, that's where I want to fight. I want to fight right here in the art space, telling stories and, um, making art in every form that people can enjoy and feel comfortable with. And at the same time, still pushing boundaries, you know?

• 3:22:37Speaker 06

  It might, it still might not be for everyone.

• 3:22:40Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:22:40Speaker 06

  I am an action artist that will be neck snapped.

• 3:22:44Shawn Ryan?

  How, how far along in your new journey are you when it comes? I mean, it's producing, directing, acting?

• 3:22:51Speaker 06

  So my first, our first plan is the movie, which we're about a month away from having a finished script. And, um, one more trip to.

• 3:23:03Speaker 06

  Hopefully one more trip to LA and it's gonna be there. And then from there, my manager, who I'm his only client because I was needed him and it was just a perfect fit. And so, um, then he's gonna show me how to do the rest of it because this is what he does. So I know the right people will come. I know through the last three, four years, so many people want to be a part of my projects. They're just waiting for me. They're waiting for something for me to give them, something for me to give them to buy, something for me to have them watch, you know? They're rooting for me in such a heavy way that um, I'm going to give that.

• 3:23:47Speaker 06

  And it's going to be amazing and I'm, I don't say that um, very often. But I say that with confidence, so it's, it's gonna be cool.

• 3:23:56Shawn Ryan?

  What are you gonna call this enterprise?

• 3:23:59Speaker 06

  Um, it's actually called Raven Sea.

• 3:24:04Shawn Ryan?

  Raven Sea?

• 3:24:05Speaker 06

  That's my business name. Raven was uh, the name I would have called the baby that I lost.

• 3:24:19Speaker 06

  So.

• 3:24:21Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, that's deep.

• 3:24:24Speaker 06

  Um, it's also, interestingly enough, it's also, you know, like the bird that on the ark, on Noah's ark, he let go of a raven and it never came back. So, um, the dove came back, but the raven didn't. So, I don't know. Raven Sea is my business name.

• 3:24:47Shawn Ryan?

  That is very cool. Wow.

• 3:24:50Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 3:24:51Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 3:24:52Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 3:24:57Shawn Ryan?

  Man, um.

• 3:25:01Shawn Ryan?

  You know, is, is.

• 3:25:04Shawn Ryan?

  It sounds like you're very well versed in the Bible. And.

• 3:25:09Speaker 06

  I'm trying. I learn something every day.

• 3:25:13Shawn Ryan?

  How much of what do you think of what we're seeing going on in this country? And, and actually, not even in this country, the entire wor- the entire world seems to be in disarray.

• 3:25:25Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think this is biblical?

• 3:25:27Speaker 06

  Oh, well, absolutely. I think it's, um.

• 3:25:33Speaker 06

  I think there's two different ways, you know, in my.

• 3:25:38Speaker 06

  You know, well, in my mind, but God's got a much bigger plan for all of this. And we don't even know.

• 3:25:47Speaker 06

  You know, we can't even possibly imagine. But, um, through his word, he's given us kind of an outline. And a lot of prophecies have been fulfilled, right? And I think most all of them. So. Um, there's a part of me that prays that my nieces get to grow up and, uh, don't have to face this in a young age, you know, um.

• 3:26:17Speaker 06

  This kind of one world government, this globalist, this, um. Mark of the beast of, um, totally eliminating. You know, cash, so that the only thing that you can, uh, the only way you can pay is by putting something on your right hand or your forehead. Um, and once you do that, it's just game over, right? So. I don't want my nieces to grow up in that, which is why I'm okay with speaking about it all. Um, I'd like there to be another 25 years or plus of a great awakening. Of this great awakening of just people understanding that this is a beautiful life.

• 3:27:01Speaker 06

  To, to fight for, to understand that there's been wrongs, that that has been happening. Historically, and that we can help to correct and come together as a people, but, um.

• 3:27:15Speaker 06

  Just by the what they tried to do with Trump the other day.

• 3:27:21Speaker 06

  It seems like they can't lose. Because if they do lose, they are all done for a while until they die.

• 3:27:35Speaker 06

  You know, pass away from old age or whatever, get imprisoned even. I mean, people belong in prison.

• 3:27:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:27:42Speaker 06

  So with the mentality of this group that cannot lose without being exposed,

• 3:27:51Speaker 06

  I don't see how they let Trump get back in there.

• 3:27:58Speaker 06

  And then you have to really just pray that Trump, you know,

• 3:28:05Speaker 06

  you know, Trump holds on to, you know, power and power checks himself, you know? Because anybody in that situation, I think he seems like he's in a pretty good place right now.

• 3:28:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:28:18Speaker 06

  I'd say he's never looked more mature as a politician. I'd say he's outshining the entire Democrat Party. Like, I think they're getting exposed left and right. And it'd be wonderful to have him back in office to kind of set things straight, but it's not going to be pretty. Because they're, they can't lose.

• 3:28:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:28:41Speaker 06

  If they lose, people are going to prison.

• 3:28:44Shawn Ryan?

  The more desperate they become, the more drastic the attempts are. And.

• 3:28:53Speaker 06

  Like, what are your thoughts? The assassination attempt just doesn't seem, that was a young kid. How did he get so close?

• 3:29:00Shawn Ryan?

  I mean,

• 3:29:06Shawn Ryan?

  what are my thoughts?

• 3:29:07Speaker 06

  Like, how did a kid get a ladder?

• 3:29:10Shawn Ryan?

  I think that.

• 3:29:14Shawn Ryan?

  I don't have any more insight than anybody else. But the insight that I do have is I have worked with Secret Service several times. I've been on sniper overwatches. I've been on I don't know how many damn protective type details when it comes to foreign dignitaries and and and people up to the level of the president. And without any of the other context, like the context of, hey, we, I mean, remember the, without any of the other context, I don't know. I think that that is impossible to have been dropped.

• 3:29:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:29:53Shawn Ryan?

  I've seen how Secret Service works.

• 3:29:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:29:57Shawn Ryan?

  It's to the top level. And that was an easy venue, a very simplistic venue. It

• 3:30:09Shawn Ryan?

  shit just doesn't get dropped.

• 3:30:11Speaker 06

  No.

• 3:30:11Shawn Ryan?

  It doesn't get dropped.

• 3:30:12Speaker 06

  Especially when you have people in the crowd screaming and pointing.

• 3:30:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:30:17Speaker 06

  There's a man on the roof. There's a man on the roof. And he was a boy.

• 3:30:23Shawn Ryan?

  Things don't get dropped like that.

• 3:30:25Speaker 06

  So I don't know.

• 3:30:27Shawn Ryan?

  You didn't even see all the plainclothes Secret Service guys that nobody's talking about. I mean, they are infiltrated in every aspect of these venues. And so

• 3:30:41Shawn Ryan?

  I don't see how it wasn't an inside job.

• 3:30:45Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 3:30:46Shawn Ryan?

  Then you look at the context, you know, of what the trail of what's, I mean, they were throwing a shit fit before he ever even got elected.

• 3:30:55Speaker 06

  Right.

• 3:30:55Shawn Ryan?

  I remember seeing grown men like smash eggs in women's faces who were gonna vote for him.

• 3:31:04Speaker 06

  Right.

• 3:31:04Shawn Ryan?

  You know, it was all over the media. Then you look at the violence that was created once he got in there with BLM, with Antifa, you know, with all those, I mean, all of those, I mean, they burnt city blocks to the ground.

• 3:31:18Speaker 06

  Right, yeah.

• 3:31:19Shawn Ryan?

  Then you had the big tech gurus, Zuckerberg and Bezos, completely shut him off from communicating to the American public while he was still in office.

• 3:31:31Speaker 06

  By the way, Zuckerberg, okay? He wants to sit there and play nice with a bunch of fighters and, oh, I do jujitsu now and look at, um, Fourth of July and his, you know.

• 3:31:42Shawn Ryan?

  Well.

• 3:31:43Speaker 06

  I'm like.

• 3:31:44Shawn Ryan?

  They're welcoming him.

• 3:31:46Speaker 06

  It's ridiculous.

• 3:31:47Shawn Ryan?

  Goes to what we were talking, what you were talking about earlier.

• 3:31:49Speaker 06

  Such an influence on the 2020 election. And, you know, I don't welcome, I, I, come out and apologize.

• 3:31:57Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:31:58Speaker 06

  Come out and say, hey, I was totally wrong. But don't try to buddy up to a bunch of UFC fighters and hide behind the American flag on your yacht and like riding the wave like, I don't, I hate that. Like, man up to what the, we wouldn't be in the situation had you not censored. I mean, lives, lives were lost.

• 3:32:24Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:32:25Speaker 06

  Maybe even these wars wouldn't be happening.

• 3:32:27Shawn Ryan?

  They silenced them. And then you go farther and they prosecuted him and that didn't work. And so what's the next progression? Let's kill him. I didn't think it would be that obvious. I thought there would be attempts. I didn't think it would go like that.

• 3:32:42Speaker 06

  Yes, that's.

• 3:32:43Shawn Ryan?

  And, you know, I mean.

• 3:32:47Speaker 06

  I don't even think it was that kid. Thought it was somebody maybe further on out.

• 3:32:53Shawn Ryan?

  It's, I just, I can't, you know, and then I, I can't even open Twitter or any of this shit right now because, or not Twitter, X, X, Instagram, insert social media platform. And it's, well, the guy was a Republican. Okay, because we've not seen any falsified fucking documents before this, right?

• 3:33:12Speaker 06

  Well, no, and he doesn't have.

• 3:33:13Shawn Ryan?

  Even if he was, like, it, and, and it, my experience in war. I mean, that's, you know what these terrorist organizations did was they got really good at coaxing mentally handicapped people into becoming more suicide bombers.

• 3:33:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:33:35Shawn Ryan?

  Suicide missions, you know, and.

• 3:33:40Speaker 06

  And what are we dealing with right now? A high level of mentally handicapped people who are being, you know, I mean, turned into extremists and they don't even know why they're so angry. And I, you know, sometimes I see these broken people in my lines at these expos and I go out of my way to just hug them and sign things for them because I can see how close that could possibly turn the opposite direction, which is, you know.

• 3:34:12Speaker 06

  Is why I show up to these things cuz I've had death threats. I've had stalkers, I've had all of that, but it's important to. It's important to stay out there and it was really admirable. I mean iconic. What Trump did and stood up with his hand in blood. And also just. The next day or the, you know, the other day when he was. Out there giving a speech, you could just see so much emotion, just like. I could possibly lose my life. It just became that much more real. It looked like on his face like I could possibly be assassinated. These people aren't gonna stop until they do. And they're showing me that.

• 3:34:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:34:55Speaker 06

  And it's just, it's just so gross and evil. It's just so evil.

• 3:35:01Shawn Ryan?

  Well, if there were any doubts about his cognitive and physical ability. For being, what is he, eighty two?

• 3:35:09Speaker 06

  Well, I thought he was eighty.

• 3:35:10Shawn Ryan?

  Is he eighty?

• 3:35:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:35:12Shawn Ryan?

  In the realm.

• 3:35:13Speaker 06

  We got one, you know, I think Biden is eighty two, isn't he?

• 3:35:17Shawn Ryan?

  Is, yeah, Biden's eighty. Is Trump seventy nine?

• 3:35:20Speaker 06

  I know, let's just, let's just say it's seventy nine.

• 3:35:23Shawn Ryan?

  Age wise.

• 3:35:25Speaker 06

  I truly wish, you know, I have a strange thing. If it was my cabinet. I truly wish that Robert, I really do like Robert Kennedy a lot. I wish that he would have been vice president and I would have put Vivek. As secretary, secretary of state, so he could just like. Nail the entire press every single day. I would tune in every single day to watch Vivek. Hand, hand the media their ass, you know? And I also kind of feel bad for the media too, because it seems like they've been a bit silenced and are finally like. Just take the chain off our throats, but the chain shouldn't have, they shouldn't have allowed the chain beyond their throats to begin with.

• 3:36:07Shawn Ryan?

  Every single one of those newscasters had a decision that they had to make.

• 3:36:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:36:12Shawn Ryan?

  And I hope those news agencies. Get stuffed in a hole.

• 3:36:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:36:16Shawn Ryan?

  And never come back out.

• 3:36:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:36:18Shawn Ryan?

  Because they're all.

• 3:36:20Speaker 06

  They were complicit.

• 3:36:20Shawn Ryan?

  Talking heads.

• 3:36:21Speaker 06

  They were complicit.

• 3:36:22Shawn Ryan?

  And they fucking know it.

• 3:36:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:36:25Shawn Ryan?

  And I see them all out there calling for you.

• 3:36:29Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 3:36:29Shawn Ryan?

  My lip's gonna start twitching.

• 3:36:30Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 3:36:31Shawn Ryan?

  I'm so fucking pissed off right now.

• 3:36:33Speaker 06

  I know.

• 3:36:33Shawn Ryan?

  We need unity. We don't promote political violence. Like, I'm sorry, what the fuck was Black Lives Matter and Antifa? Like, did you guys miss that show?

• 3:36:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. Or what was calling? Okay, so they're basically saying for the last, I don't know, eight years, right? Trump's Hitler, Trump's Hitler, Trump's Hitler. If you really believed that Trump's Hitler, now you're like, oh, you know, we don't want anything to happen to Trump.

• 3:37:00Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, this shooter was 20, right?

• 3:37:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:03Shawn Ryan?

  And they've been doing this for eight years.

• 3:37:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:05Shawn Ryan?

  On Trump.

• 3:37:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:06Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 3:37:07Speaker 06

  Just constant.

• 3:37:08Shawn Ryan?

  I was talking to my, because I had to call my attorney for a sanity check. He's always got a great perspective, so I called him the day of.

• 3:37:15Speaker 06

  They are great for that.

• 3:37:17Shawn Ryan?

  And I'm like, I'm like, Tim, I need a sanity check. How was this not an inside job? You know, and we had a long discussion, and one of the things that came out is what you're saying. You know, they called him Hitler for eight years. This is the biggest threat to democracy. This is, and so rewind, eight years ago, this shooter was 12 years old, taking all of that in.

• 3:37:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:42Shawn Ryan?

  His entire young adult life, through puberty.

• 3:37:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:46Shawn Ryan?

  All he's heard is this shit. And now they want to act fucking surprised.

• 3:37:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:37:50Shawn Ryan?

  When the people that they've brainwashed are trying to kill presidential candidates, kill the opposition.

• 3:37:56Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 3:37:56Shawn Ryan?

  Or maybe that's what they wanted this entire time.

• 3:37:59Speaker 06

  Wow. 12 years old to 20 years old, and that's, you know.

• 3:38:04Shawn Ryan?

  That's all you're fed. Every fucking day. They created this. Now they're scared shitless. They've been exposed.

• 3:38:13Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:38:13Shawn Ryan?

  They've been exposed. Everybody knows.

• 3:38:16Speaker 06

  And how crazy.

• 3:38:18Shawn Ryan?

  Where that came from.

• 3:38:18Speaker 06

  Not even crazy. How wonderful.

• 3:38:22Speaker 06

  It was so obvious and you know, my belief system. That had he not just turned, had Trump had not just turned his head slightly. That would have gone straight through, right? Mm hmm. To the back. And had he not just done this at the right second. That would have gone a whole different way, which, which means that they were trying to kill him. Mm hmm. Right? Cause he moved his head just right at the right moment. Um, and there is a God. Yeah. And I think that was very, very obvious to Trump as well.

• 3:39:04Speaker 06

  And I think his whole, his whole demeanor has kind of changed. And I think that he realized his life was spared for a reason. And I, I remember, uh, before the election in 2020, we would have days of prayers. You know, like long days of prayer all over the nation. And I think we should probably get back to that because I think that our prayers are being answered now. But that we need to continue praying, um, because you know, God might not answer it right when you want it. But he does follow through. And so, yeah.

• 3:39:44Speaker 06

  Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully we can get this country back and, um, get our lives back and see our nieces and your children and everybody grow, grow up in some pride of being an American, understanding that like we can, you know, learn from history and understand what's to come and just really kind of take some respect as in ourselves as human beings. And hopefully we can get there.

• 3:40:21Shawn Ryan?

  Cause if not, I'll be in Montana.

• 3:40:28Shawn Ryan?

  If that was divine intervention, I think it's inevitable.

• 3:40:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:40:31Shawn Ryan?

  That's where we're headed.

• 3:40:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:40:33Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, man, what a breath of fresh air that would be, right? So.

• 3:40:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:40:39Shawn Ryan?

  But, well, Gina, I just want to say I loved having this conversation with you.

• 3:40:45Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 3:40:45Shawn Ryan?

  And just getting to know you. And, um, I can't wait to see what you produce.

• 3:40:50Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 3:40:50Shawn Ryan?

  In the future. I know it will be amazing. And, um, man, you know, you just... And once again, I mean, thank you. Thank you for being who you are and there just isn't anybody in your position that's doing this.

• 3:41:10Speaker 06

  Thank you. Thank you. I think my mom and my dad, they, they, they did a pretty good job. My mom, she's a little angel eyes. So, and, and thank you because I've, I've been watching everything that you've been doing and I'm so proud to just be like, this man seems so cool. Of course I want to go to talk to him.

• 3:41:33Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that means a hell of a lot.

• 3:41:35Speaker 06

  I'm sorry it took me so long to get here.

• 3:41:37Shawn Ryan?

  Hey, all in good time. So, best of luck.

• 3:41:40Speaker 06

  Thank you.