The Snack: Girls Trip to Space + Celeb Tea with Special Guest Deuxmoi

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: The all-female trip to space on Blue Origin Karen Read trial and documentary TV shows we're watching/excited about Book recs Gossiping with Deuxmoi about Coachella, Taylor and Travis, Blake Lively, and Bravo tea. Follow Deuxmoi on Instagram @deuxmoi and Tiktok @deuxmoi, listen to her podcast Deux U, read her book Anon Pls., and check out her website for more. Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Quince: Get free shipping and 365-day returns on your next order at https://quince.com/GGE. BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at https://betterhelp.com/gge. Boll and Branch: Get 15% off and free shipping on your first set of sheets at https://bollandbranch.com/gge. Liquid IV: Get 20% off your first order at https://liquidiv.com with code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Welcome to the snack, a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy.

• 0:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:12Rayna Greenberg?

  What's been up?

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I am down bad. We're going to talk about it for Monday's episode. We have limited time today. We have a guest.

• 0:19Rayna Greenberg?

  You have to go to a doctor.

• 0:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have to go to the doctor and I will talk about it tomorrow. What happened?

• 0:26Rayna Greenberg?

  When you're emotionally ready.

• 0:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I'm just like, this is good, though. This, when you're in pain, like, you have to do something to like, take your mind off of it.

• 0:37Rayna Greenberg?

  The best, the best medicine is laughter.

• 0:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Truly, but like, it's just, I don't know, that's always how I felt like if you just kind of lay around, you focus on it. So I'm like, I should definitely record a podcast. I'm in a ton of pain.

• 0:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, that was me last week. I had a sciatic nerve damage. I was like, I can't sit here any longer. I'll record two hours of a podcast.

• 0:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, you can obviously do painkillers and rest, but I don't want to do painkillers because I have to go get an incision today. We'll talk about it. We will talk about it.

• 1:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I have so many painkillers at home. Like, I meant to tell you that. It's probably like, not legal for me, like, giving them. But I've had so many surgeries and I've never taken them and they always give me a bottle of them. So, um, catch me selling drugs on the corner.

• 1:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina's offering, you guys. If you guys want to slide to the DMs.

• 1:17Rayna Greenberg?

  If you guys are looking for like 50 to 100 vics.

• 1:22Rayna Greenberg?

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• 1:35Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 1:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I am foaming at the mouth.

• 1:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we're going to open this with a space report. A planetary report.

• 1:55Rayna Greenberg?

  All female, Blue Origin space launch. So these ladies went to space. It's all over the news. Um, it was headed by Lauren Sanchez, who's Jeff Bezos' fiance. Katy Perry was there, um, Gail King.

• 2:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which if you guys are like fans of the podcast, we went on Gail's show and then also as of recently, Shan Boudreaux said Raina should hook up with Gail.

• 2:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Anyway. So when I first heard that there was like an all female crew going to space, I thought, number one, that this would take a really long time. I thought you'd like train to go to space. This could take years for the average person. I thought like, how's Katy Perry gonna find the time?

• 2:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  To go to Mars or the moon.

• 2:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I thought it was, I mean, how is Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez gonna take time off of their busy schedule sucking Elon Musk's dick to learn how to be an astronaut? I didn't know.

• 2:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, anybody can go to space.

• 2:49Rayna Greenberg?

  But little did all of us know, it was gonna be for 10 minutes. I didn't know it was just like you, your boyfriend was just gonna like buy you a rocket ship to go up into the air for 10 minutes and come right back.

• 2:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  They just went out to spin the block. They literally just were, 10 minutes is wild. Also, I do want to interject and say that there were two people on that flight, right? Flight?

• 3:10Rayna Greenberg?

  It's, I don't know how to call, it's, it's shorter than a hot air balloon ride.

• 3:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, trip. It's, it's, I haven't even taken a Peloton class that short, but there were two people that had like credentials, but they're not getting any attention.

• 3:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Right.

• 3:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  There was a real astronaut on it, a scientist. Yeah, but obviously nobody's talking about them. And like, I have to wonder, did they like being associated with these celebrities? Because everybody's talking about the celebrities. I mean, I have, I have so much to say. And I have, I have mixed feelings on it. And I get new information, I change my mind, and it is getting so much media attention.

• 3:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it's, I can't stop laughing about it. And I, I guess the way that like Lauren Sanchez and Katy Perry have framed it is what's making me laugh the most. I think space is cool as fuck. I went, space camp as a kid.

• 3:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Technological advances, all this is ama- amazing.

• 3:53Rayna Greenberg?

  So cool that we can send somebody. What I, what I don't think is that it's some big female empowerment movement. So I would like to read you Lauren Sanchez's quote.

• 4:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Don't get me started on this fucking quote.

• 4:03Rayna Greenberg?

  She is honored to lead a team of explorers on a mission that will

• 4:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Explorers!

• 4:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Challenge their perspectives of Earth, empower them to share their own stories, and create lasting impacts that will inspire generations to come. Your boyfriend just bought you like a roller coaster ride.

• 4:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, she also said, like, the way that it felt when they were up there, they felt so unified, and if everyone could just feel like that, and have this type of peace and unity. I was like, your fiance is complicit in single-handedly ruining this country.

• 4:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Truly, and ripping away women's rights. You know that your man is part of that. You know, he sat front row with the inauguration. You know, he donated money. Like, it's, that's the hypocrisy for me is so sick.

• 4:47Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so, I mean, just let's, let's not make this into something it's not, you know? Like, they're, they were up in space chanting, "Take up space," and it's just-

• 4:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, when they, when they came up with that, they were like, "Fucking nailed it."

• 4:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Nailed it!

• 5:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're like, "This is gonna go viral." Yes, it did, for all the wrong reasons.

• 5:04Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, it's so cringe. You didn't need to like, turn this into something it wasn't. It's just this cool thing that you did. It's awesome. The fashion was cute.

• 5:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Listen, I hate, I hate that people are knocking the glam and the fashion. Why not? Why, no one should ever shade women for doing anything and looking good doing it. I didn't know I wanted to go to space. This looked dope as hell. That freefall, those type of rides were like my favorite rides. Like, I went on the Tower of Terror at Disney World three times in a row. I love that feeling. There's screaming, like, you get to go up and see the earth from the top. I mean, not, you don't see it looking like a sphere. You're barely at the line. I think it's called the Karman line.

• 5:42Rayna Greenberg?

  It's called the Karman line, and they went 66 miles into space, technically.

• 5:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  They felt zero gravity. They were close to the moon. Like, I do think you gain this incredible perspective. It's so invaluable. Like, why would you not do it if it's available? But I think the way that it's been positioned is really rubbing people the wrong way for a ton of reasons.

• 6:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, this is just not some like, female empowerment movement to me. It's just like a cool thing you did. A very cool thing you did. But it doesn't like, make me think like, "Women can do anything. If you just dream big enough," like, stop.

• 6:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  If you just marry someone rich enough. I mean, I think, I have so many different feelings on this. Like, my two main feelings are, rich people are gonna rich. Like- Everyone, people buy cars that cost more than people's homes. People buy bags that cost more than someone's annual salary. Like, people fly around in private jets. Your faves do. They're not doing the environment any favors. Like, the whole, like, you could have done so much with that money. You can say that about anything. I mean, this is a narrative we always hear when you see rich people doing opulent things. You know, if all these celebrities decide to take a yacht around the world for the same ticket price, like, would anyone care? It was just, going to space hits different.

• 6:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I think that, more than ever, people are really rejecting the flaunting of wealth. And I think it's all associated with, like, all these problems we have, the oligarchy that's happening in the government. It just feels like we're really over the ultra-rich flaunting this in our face. I think wealth hoarding is a disease. I think Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, all them, like, this just ties into all of that. And I don't want to get too deep with it, but I've been feeling like this for a while, where, like, we're over this, I think. Most of us are over this, like, flaunting of wealth. This couldn't have been a worse time to do this. Like, the optics of it. I think a few years back, we, this wouldn't have gotten the criticism it's getting now. Like, the time that this is happening, the state of the world, people are like, fuck all of y'all.

• 7:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  And don't you dare try to bring women's rights into this.

• 7:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't even really think about it like that. And I think that this is a week specifically where so many small to medium businesses around the globe and all these business owners are really struggling and they're terrified of what these political decisions are going to mean for them. So it's a weird time to do this.

• 7:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 7:59Rayna Greenberg?

  And, you know, it wasn't that this pushed forward any advances, I guess, or...

• 8:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't, I don't feel like in power they sent this, like, woman, female crew. Women have been going to space. These women didn't break the barriers of anything.

• 8:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't, there hasn't been an all-women crew in a really long time. But this wasn't NASA sending a bunch of female astronauts into space. I mean, haven't men also done this Blue Origin thing? I mean, men have been going to space and they don't, they don't get criticized like this. Like, you know, I always feel like when it's just extra vitriol towards women, it bothers me, but...

• 8:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I would make fun of it more if it was all men. I just don't like this like female empowerment angle. I think it's so stupid. And like you said, at a time like right now where so many people are hurting and struggling, it's not the week to do it.

• 8:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I know. And I think it's insulting to people who've lost their jobs in those fields. You know, there's just so many different layers of why this was the worst time. And did they try to get PR surrounding this? Like, could they not have just, I think this was like a publicity stunt for Blue Origin. Like, why was it so much attention? Like, it was being talked about weeks in advance, and then all these other celebrities, Olivia Munn, Olivia Wilde, Emirata, they're all weighing in and, you know, saying how bad this looks and how they're just so against it. And it's just like, did it need to get this much PR? Like, was there like a campaign about this? Or did people just find out about it and latch on?

• 9:24Rayna Greenberg?

  But I think it's a really big deal. I think these are huge celebrities. I think, you know, when they landed, the Kardashians were all there. I think you just base hosts.

• 9:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  What TV show is this country?

• 9:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Like Oprah was there. Katy Perry gets off, she's holding this little daisy she took up to space with her. She's kissing the ground. Lauren Sanchez is crying, "Where are my babies? Where are my children?"

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Where's your baby?

• 9:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Where are my babies?

• 9:47Speaker 02

  They're over here. Go see them.

• 9:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jeff Bezos, face planted, trying to get to her. When he fell, I like, I came.

• 9:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. So I think that like, it was never not gonna get so much press. And it's a bunch of, it's all women. I think people do like them. We took men out of the mix. How are they gonna survive up there without the men? And they did it. And they took up space. It's just, it's weird. It's weird to me.

• 10:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it, so much of it was so cringe.

• 10:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is not helping Katy Perry's career. I will tell you that. I think she literally just launched her career off the map. Like, this is, when she kissed the ground, I guess I'm thinking about it. I think that, my initial thoughts were, she was like, so happy to be back on Earth after 10 minutes. And I was like, I cannot comprehend the performativeness of this and the cringe of this. But I think it was more like, I love the Earth. We just saw it from this certain vantage point. And like, I love Mother Earth. It doesn't matter. What the fu- Gail, though, the Gail memes are sending me because she was really scared to fly. And so when she rang that bell and like walked, like the Gail memes are insane.

• 11:01Rayna Greenberg?

  They're all the memes are insane. Katie, I mean, I love the ones that are like me after I leave my house for 10 minutes. Katie Bear's kissing the floor.

• 11:10Rayna Greenberg?

  That's how I feel when I get home from literally anything. I just like thank the walls for being there.

• 11:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I love this post from Girlboss and they did, it's just like a carousel. And it was just like, did the all women blue origin space trip feel off to anyone else? One small step for womankind and one big leap for wasting precious resources. And it just, they said it, this was one big influencer trip.

• 11:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, that's basically what I was like a tart influencer trip.

• 11:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like it just don't say this was like Mother Earth, saving Mother Earth. I mean, you know, all the celebrities spoke out, like I mentioned, the Olivias and Emrata and these people. But I don't know, I saw a take this morning. This came from Kristen on the Burt Show, which is out of Atlanta, which I love them. And I used to work with them when I, when I lived there a little bit. And she was like, do you think there's little girls who see this and feel inspired to get into space? And it's like, maybe, but like, again, this wasn't a female empowerment mission. And I would have loved to see a bunch of female astronauts still in the designer suits, going up and doing this, you know, like all of it felt like so just out of touch in our current climate.

• 12:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I would, I would love in an alternative world to see if this would have happened a few years back. Or I don't know, in like 2014, you know, when the world wasn't falling apart. If people would have been like, that's kind of dope.

• 12:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, just call it what it is. I wish that the people there would have been like, we did it because it was fun. Like I don't subscribe to the like, this money could have been spent elsewhere. I don't have receipts on what the rest of those people donate to charity, how they spend their time. I have no idea. Maybe they are spending a ton of money on charity and helping other people. I have no clue.

• 12:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can say that about anything all the time.

• 12:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Right. So I don't subscribe to that either. But this, don't, let's not make this like a female empowerment thing. We've been sending women to space. Women are astronauts, women work for NASA, women have run for president. I think we've done a lot of things to teach little girls that they can be anything when they grow up. I think you and I really want to like dedicate our lives to that as well. You can grow up and have a sex toy company and a podcast if you want to. This is not that thing and don't pretend it is.

• 13:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  And terrible timing.

• 13:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Couldn't be worse.

• 13:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like the way that people have latched on to this. And again, at the end of the day, this looked dope. And rich people get to do things like that.

• 13:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, called that.

• 13:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know?

• 13:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I, I, I saw like three or four posts about it yesterday before it washed over me that this was less than 11 minutes. I thought it was a typo.

• 13:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I kept being-

• 13:34Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought I was misunderstanding it.

• 13:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I kept thinking, what did they do up there? Nothing. I mean, they took a picture and said, take up space and-

• 13:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Katy Perry song.

• 13:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  They all put their hands- Okay, can I run something by you?

• 13:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know people didn't love her last album and there was a lot of panning of it. Remember when you taught me the word pan?

• 13:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh huh.

• 13:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  But there's a lot of like, Katy Perry singing was the worst thing. Like, I thought we all agreed Katy Perry has an amazing voice. Do it like, try to sing Roar right now, anybody listening. Like, I have long been a fan of her talent and vocals.

• 14:11Rayna Greenberg?

  I totally agree.

• 14:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Regardless of her last album or whatever.

• 14:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I like her music. It's fun to dance around the house too. I like to listen to her. I think she has a great voice. I think she's a good entertainer.

• 14:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  But then of course she had to be like, it's not about me, it's about the world and sang what, it's a wonderful world. Bitch, sing Roar!

• 14:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, literally.

• 14:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or what is it? Um, Firework?

• 14:29Rayna Greenberg?

  No, no, um.

• 14:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  You think she can't-

• 14:31Rayna Greenberg?

  E.T., Extraterrestrial.

• 14:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  She has a lot of songs that play in space.

• 14:36Rayna Greenberg?

  That could've gone in space!

• 14:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, she should've done a setlist up there!

• 14:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Baby, you're a firework in a rocket ship.

• 14:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Seriously, like, if we could've gotten a Roar, Firework, E.T. compilation in space, iconic.

• 14:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Iconic.

• 14:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Instead she had to be all like, you know, fake humility about it.

• 14:53Rayna Greenberg?

  She missed the moment for me.

• 14:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she did. She did miss the moment. This, I think this is it for her. Like, this did not help her career.

• 15:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's just, what a time we're living in. Chris and Khloe on the ground. Like, I'm like, what are we watching? I don't feel like this is real life.

• 15:10Rayna Greenberg?

  They got Oprah there. This is the most star studded moon landing I've ever seen. Where are my babies? That. What's worse, the kissing the ground with a where are my babies? That.

• 15:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, that is our space report. Just one, it was just one thing. You know, I like to have three things for a report, but that's what it had to be.

• 15:28Rayna Greenberg?

  I could tell jokes about this. I could do a whole episode on this. The memes, the companies that jumped in.

• 15:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know. There's so much, so much more. Maybe we'll do space part two next week if it's still going. But this is a little bit different type of episode too, because we have Duma coming on. But let's just talk about some partners and then we will get back into it. I am telling you guys about Boll and Branch. I am just so obsessed. I just get more obsessed every time I sleep on these sheets. They are so incredible. They're so soft, so high quality. Their signature sheets are made with the finest 100% organic cotton. You can spend every night in the softest feeling imaginable. Just this morning, my fiance and I, I was like, I was like, maybe we try to get up earlier. Like, we lay in bed too long. Like, I, you know, like, we, which is so nice.

• 16:09Rayna Greenberg?

  You suggested getting up earlier.

• 16:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, I was like, let's try to get, let's get up earlier. Cause like, it's, I don't, whatever. I was like, maybe we try to work out in the morning. Like, I don't know. So.

• 16:17Rayna Greenberg?

  That's cute.

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• 19:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Karen Reed.

• 19:10Rayna Greenberg?

  We, there's a lot of TV out now. Oh, we're gonna do some racks.

• 19:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're gonna get into it. You guys have been wanting racks. I got a book to throw in, so don't worry. But so this trial, there is an HBO documentary called Body in the Snow, the Karen Reed Trial. I just want to say, this happened in Massachusetts. And I don't know that so many people knew about it nationally, but I was in Boston in the summer when she was on trial, the first time. She's about to start her second trial. And it was just, to be there, it was all everyone was talking about. Like, I'd be in an Uber, they had it on the radio. Like, I was like, I am in it. So I've known about this for so long, and this documentary came out. And basically, this Boston police officer died, and he was found on the lawn in the snow of this other cop's house.

• 19:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  And his girlfriend, Karen Reed, was accused of hitting him with her car and killing him. And she is saying she was framed. And there was these other people in the house, there was a party happening, everyone was drunk, everyone had been driving drunk. And that's kind of the TLDR of it all, but it's, it's just, it's so gripping. It's a crazy fucking story.

• 20:15Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a crazy story, it's six episodes, every single episode you learn more stuff.

• 20:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's made it, basically, she, she's like.

• 20:21Rayna Greenberg?

  She produced it, she's the star, um, and there's no spoilers, I mean, she, it was a hung jury and she's going back to trial now in April, right now.

• 20:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  As we speak.

• 20:29Rayna Greenberg?

  So they're retrying her, so, um, this is not like a spoiler, you can just look it up on the news, but.

• 20:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, if you don't know, and you want to be surprised, because I had forgotten some stuff, then there are spoilers, but yes, it's an actual news thing, you can read about it.

• 20:41Rayna Greenberg?

  So, you know, the whole time you're oscillating back and forth between, basically, did she do it?

• 20:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 20:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, was she so drunk, she forgot she hit her boyfriend? Or was she framed? And you and I went back and forth, because like, if, if she was framed, every person in the house was in on it, the police department is in on it, I mean, you're talking like, eight or nine people that are in on this, having lied for, what, two years at this point, it's two and a half years? Um, which I find so shocking that like, that many people can keep a secret.

• 21:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't.

• 21:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Because, listen, in the mafia, the first rule of like, how do two people keep a secret, you kill one of them.

• 21:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I just think like, there's so much corruption in so many different police departments and groups of people, dozens of people can keep a fucking secret, our government. So, I absolutely do not think she killed him, I think the evidence is so clear. Logistically, how could she even have done it? His bodily injuries are not those of a vehicular accident, the scratches on his arm are clearly from a dog. Like, there's this one part where they're trying to say that the scratches on his arm came from a cocktail glass, that he, I was like, that's the most insane thing I've ever heard.

• 21:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 21:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  It is not physically possible, and even if she did bump him with her car drunkenly, this big, strong cop could have gotten to the house, he wouldn't have just laid there and died in the snow. Like, there's so many different things where I'm like screaming, like, there's no way she did this, and I don't. On the other side, you have those groups of people making up all this stuff about these butt dials and there's all this other stuff and there's so many different layers to it. We can't unpack it all today, but their side is so far-fetched. Yes, the framing feels a little far-fetched too, but all I stand by is she couldn't have done this.

• 22:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I find it so fascinating because there's so much contradictory evidence that she couldn't have done this. I mean, another one of the things that they will unpack in the documentary is that her taillight was broken. And I said to you, I don't think a human being could have broken that. And you asked your fiance who works in cars and he said, absolutely not. I mean, you would have had to hit somebody so hard and I still don't think somebody's body could have shattered a taillight.

• 22:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  They also show her hitting his car and cracking the taillight.

• 22:42Rayna Greenberg?

  There's so much contradictory evidence. And what I find so interesting in these type of cases is when there's a mountain of contradictory evidence, the injuries are not consistent with having been hit by a car. Like you said, they can't even prove that that's how he died. They're not even, but they've chosen to like not investigate it. It's like they've gotten their teeth into this woman. They're like, she's the easiest thing to prosecute, even though every fact points to she could not possibly have done this. But they're not investigating alternative options, which I don't understand. Like throughout the case, she said, I wanted them to explain to me, how could he possibly have died from me hitting him with the car? You look at his body. There's no blunt force trauma.

• 23:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  He got, there isn't on his head. He got beat up.

• 23:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 23:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  What? Someone said they saw the body. It looks like he went eight rounds with Tyson. Like he got beat up and attacked by a dog.

• 23:29Rayna Greenberg?

  There's so clearly dog bites on his arm.

• 23:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  The dog thing makes me feel crazy. I will say, her fucking legal team makes me horny. Her roster is so stacked. I think most of those guys are from LA. Like she has built out the hottest, smartest, like most talented legal team. Like watching them, so sexy, like watch them do what they do. And it makes me wish I would have been a lawyer. Like it's the one thing I like.

• 23:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Obviously the thing I think you should do. Like if you weren't doing this, I obviously think you should be like a CIA agent.

• 23:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I feel inspired watching. Attorneys who are that good at what they do, especially compared to the other side, those people are like a hot mess, the prosecuting attorneys. But I, she was, she added more to the roster. She, I think there's, she owes like $5 million in legal fees.

• 24:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, my God.

• 24:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which I'm, then I gotta wonder, is HBO, is, how much did HBO buy the documentary for? Like, that was smart. If she was like, I'm gonna make these documentaries to pay for the legal fees, I don't know if that's what she's doing. I tried to find it and, and I couldn't. But, yeah, so they're just, right now, as we record, wrapping up, picking, I think, the final juror. I think they're picking like the 16th juror. And it's already getting so much attention. I mean, you can't go into this unbiased. And, I mean, she faces life in prison this time around. And she's trying to say this is like double, double jeopardy and they can't try her again. I mean, it's just wild.

• 24:47Rayna Greenberg?

  They're trying to come up with a motive and, you know, they're saying that he was kinda trying to break up with her and they had this really tumultuous relationship. And there are voice record, I mean, there's a lot of voice recordings and text messages that they make people read out loud that are so insane.

• 25:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  You guys don't even, too.

• 25:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I would watch it just for that. They make this cop read these text messages. "I think you're sexy too." And then I said, "What you think about me? I've, I've been thinking you was sexy since the jump."

• 25:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, this, my butt hurts. That's such a good, when they were reading, it took me a minute to process that he was reading the text that he sent. I was like, this cannot be happening. And then there's these other texts that are like so gross and like slut-shamy and it's crazy that this investigator was texting with a group chat about the case. It makes you realize just how invincible some of these cops think they are. And, I mean, it has divided this community. And I like to see that people are pushing back on police corruption and supporting this woman. And I can't get enough of it.

• 25:49Rayna Greenberg?

  And one thing that they said that I thought was so interesting, I don't know, I don't remember if she said it or somebody else, but she said, you know, supposedly my motive is that my boyfriend and I were fighting with each other and saying crazy shit to each other. And she said, like, if, if that's a motive for murder, then half the women in America could be on trial today. I mean, how many people had a fight with their boyfriend like that this morning? And their fights are crazy, they are, but like... It's a huge leap to think that she hit him with her car and left him to die. By the way, on a cop's lawn.

• 26:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, where he was on the lawn, whatever, but like, she's not a perfect victim. She was wasted.

• 26:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was screaming, she was mad. So, I mean, but then you watched her reactions when she realized he was dead and that feel is not somebody who killed him.

• 26:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, God.

• 26:35Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys gotta watch this. Ashley and I just like hung on every word. We loved it so much. A few other things out this week, The Valley came out. I've not watched it yet because we're recording before, but there's just been like a ton of news out of that. And Brittany Cartwright just gave a great interview with People Magazine about her status with Jax Taylor. And she announced that their son was autistic and she's talking about fighting for him and being his voice. It was a beautiful interview. So I'm looking forward to watching the season. We'll talk about it next week, maybe have a guest on, but that's out right now. And my, the fourth and I think final season of Righteous Gemstones. So if you are missing Rick from White Lotus.

• 27:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Walton Goggins.

• 27:15Rayna Greenberg?

  He's one of the stars of Righteous Gemstones and he's naked a bunch. It might be a.

• 27:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Full frontal?

• 27:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Full frontal.

• 27:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 27:21Rayna Greenberg?

  A bunch. So it, I don't know if it's a prosthetic. It is huge.

• 27:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. I did not see that coming. I didn't know about it.

• 27:29Rayna Greenberg?

  And Megan Mullany is on this season and she's just fantastic. So I, I love the show. It's one of my favorites, fourth and final season.

• 27:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Love on the Spectrum is back, a new season. I haven't watched it yet, but that's on my list. And Survival of the Thickest, starring Michelle Buteau, is also on Netflix, season two. I love season one. I'm obsessed with the show, so I cannot wait to get into that. I'm midway through Dying for Sex. We've talked about it a lot. I am really enjoying that. And then Hacks, which is one of my favorite shows of all time, season four, two episodes are out. And I, I like it. I always like it. The writing is brilliant. It's funny. It's, these two episodes were not my favorite because Deborah and Ava are just so at odds. And they're, I like it more when they're getting along and I get that. That's the story. That's the conflict and that's the roller coaster that you're on. And I think they're about to kind of be in a better place.

• 28:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Going forward and I like what they did. I love the show. So anyway, Hacks is back. I'm reading a book called All Fours by Miranda Joy. This was recommended to us by someone we met when we were at South by Southwest and it is a very polarizing book. I posted a photo that showed it when I was on the plane recently and people were like, you have to talk about what you think about this book. And it's about this woman. It's, she's kind of having like a midlife crisis essentially. She goes on, she's married, she has a kid, she goes on this road trip, she pulls across the country, she pulls off 30 minutes outside of LA and stays in this hotel and some sexual experiences transpire. I mean, it's, I will let you guys know what I think. I'm still unsure, but I'm reading it and I'm enjoying it, but I can

• 29:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  see why people didn't like it. My mom didn't like it because she didn't like the protagonist and I, you gotta be pretty sexually open also to read. It's very detailed, it's very descriptive.

• 29:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You sent me a photo while you were sitting across from me on a plane. It was so dirty and graphic and I was like, I can't believe she's just sitting next to me reading this.

• 29:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And I think a lot of people don't like the character. I don't know. I want to read more about it, but I haven't been reading too much about it because I don't want spoilers. And so anyway, All Fours.

• 29:28Rayna Greenberg?

  It's hard for me to stay engaged with a character that I'm not rooting for.

• 29:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not saying I dislike her.

• 29:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 29:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't decide. I think she is a flawed person. Guys, I don't know. If you've read it and you're like, she's a whore, she's a narcissist, this and that, then I just can't, I don't know yet, but I'm, I want her to figure it out. She like loves, she loves her kid. I don't know. Well.

• 29:50Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Well, you go get with me when you're done. I mean, I, I felt that way kind of about The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo where I was like, I don't know, this is a person who's struggling with something and I understand why she makes the decisions that she does and I understand it's set at a certain time period. It's about an actress in the 50s who married seven men. I understand why she did what she did, but I, the whole time I didn't really know if I rooted for this person because she's just kind of like using and manipulating a lot of these people. And I wasn't like, go girl, down with it, you know? I'm reading, I just finished two books that I really like. The Wedding People, it's a novel by Alison.

• 30:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  You gotta give it to me.

• 30:23Rayna Greenberg?

  E S P A C H, Espach. It's about a woman who goes to Rhode Island to stay at this hotel to kind of like process her divorce and she ends up the only guest at the hotel who's not part of this wedding.

• 30:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so hot right now, this book.

• 30:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I mean, I love it. And it's deeper and more meaningful than I ever expected it to be. It sounded like just maybe like, uh, just like a summer reading book. And it is, but, um, there's a lot of themes that I think are really great about what we want and the life that we choose. And then I just finished The Gracier. It's by Kim Lige. And it's the perfect mixture of The Hunger Games and Lord of the Flies. It's, um, basically a dystopian society. They send these girls into the woods to basically fend for themselves for one year when they're 16 to release their magic. It's all about like misogyny and the patriarchy.

• 31:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay.

• 31:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, I loved them both. They're both great, both great books.

• 31:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I will say, I have not purchased anything from Amazon in a long time. I feel like this is relevant because of what we're talking about with Jeff Bezos and everything. And I am getting all my books at the bookstore. I love a trip to the bookstore. I went to the bookstore and was like, my, I went with my fiance. I bought five books. He was like, are you okay?

• 31:23Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I do. I gotta get a haul.

• 31:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  And like, it's called Zibby's. It's on Montana Avenue in Santa Monica. And that's where I've been getting my books. I was just thinking, I was like, I have not had an Amazon delivery in a long time. I'm trying, actively trying not to. And so I haven't really been doing it.

• 31:36Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, it sucks because there's just a lot of small businesses that sell on Amazon.

• 31:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Go buy books at a bookstore.

• 31:40Rayna Greenberg?

  It's the fun thing to do.

• 31:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I love a bookstore.

• 31:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I love a fucking bookstore.

• 31:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't get enough of it.

• 31:45Rayna Greenberg?

  My mom was a librarian. Like, I'm such a book slut, but, you know, God, I love it.

• 31:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Zibby's is like designed for, I can tell it's like designed for women. They like, the categories are very like, what women would want in books. Like, it's not like fiction, nonfiction. It's just like, summer romance, like, brokenhearted, get your groove back.

• 32:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I gotta get over there. Cause there's good stuff. The new H and H bagel is over there. Breadhead is over there. There's good sandwiches on that block.

• 32:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 32:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Sonia, Sonia Tiscano, is that how you say it?

• 32:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Lots of good sandwiches on that block.

• 32:13Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 32:29Rayna Greenberg?

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• 32:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly. Or a birthday party. Are you gonna do it in, you're gonna have some at the house for Raisin, Raisin Polloza?

• 32:37Rayna Greenberg?

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• 32:40Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 34:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the fork.

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• 35:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, let's get into it with Do Moi.

• 35:09Rayna Greenberg?

  All right, guys, we have a very special guest for the snack this week. She is my number one, and probably the United States' curator of pop culture and celebrity gossip. I mean, who's better? She is the host of Do You Podcast. She is Do Moi. Welcome to the show.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 35:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Thanks for being here. We have heard such nice things about recording with you, and we're so excited to have you.

• 35:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  We really are. I mean, it just feels surreal, you know? It's just weird when you're just on someone's Instagram and then they just come into your life, in real life, sorta. So we're really happy to have you.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 35:43Rayna Greenberg?

  When did you start the account, Do Moi? When did it like really blow up?

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Um, in 2020, during quarantine.

• 35:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I figured. That's when we all blew up.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's so crazy, because if you think about it, exactly. So many people blew up during that time, and hopefully, knock on wood, it'll never happen again, where we're all forced to be stuck indoors. And I really feel like, and I've said this, if that never happened, the account wouldn't have, wouldn't ever have took off. Because I would have been working, because I had a job.

• 36:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. But then, at that time, no one was out. So was it a little bit different? I don't, I can't remember when I started following you, probably. But like, during quarantine, nobody was out at restaurants, being spotted. So it was a different type of content?

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Exactly. It was like campsite fire stories. Like, we all were like virtually sitting around a campfire, or at like a friend's sleepover, just like talking shit and telling stories. It was information and intel as old as 15 years. But people didn't, people didn't care. They just enjoyed reading what was being posted and having something to distract themselves from what was going on, which was COVID at the time. And as the world started...

• 37:05Speaker 03

  Getting back to normal, the account obviously shifted as well. And that's how Spotted came to be, which is now known as Sunday Spotted. Because people were so excited to see other people out and about, specifically in New York. I think Hugh Jackman was actually one of the first sightings. People were so excited to see people out at restaurants, out on the street, that that's literally how Spotted started. And I would, I would post them more in real time then. And they would be posted like one per slide. It got to the point where people were saying, your account is all sightings. This is, this sucks.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  So I said, okay, I'll save them for a week and I'll do a Sunday Spotted.

• 37:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Brilliant. Okay. So you themed Sundays.

• 37:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Everything's brilliant.

• 37:58Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, I'm just.

• 37:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I remember hearing about it. Remember someone's like, you gotta check this out. And I was like, is this real?

• 38:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 38:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  We just get to like read this.

• 38:05Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, you really have your finger on the pulse. And like, you know what gives me a lot of stress is thinking about your inbox. And I'm sure that you have somebody that helps you or several people.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  I don't. I don't have anyone. Yeah.

• 38:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Really? So for people that don't know, I mean, you post dozens of clips and hundreds of stories. It's all celeb gossip, obviously, but like, how do you sort through this?

• 38:25Speaker 03

  It's a 24/7 type job. You don't really get to shut down or turn off because it is. So as I was saying, like, as the world started to get back to normal, the account changed. And in January, I believe of 2021, I started getting real time tips. And it was that Harry Styles was dating Olivia Wilde, Zoe was dating Channing Tatum, Kevin Kanye were getting divorced.

• 38:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Ah.

• 38:54Speaker 03

  Kendall was launching 818. This was all within like a 30 day period. That immediately as the world got back to normal, like I've always kind of posted and published what the audience was feeding me, right? So that's what they were feeding me. They started just, you know, sending in tips about stuff that was really happening. And that's how it became more of what it is today. But that's definitely, as you mentioned, not what it started out to be. It started out to be just like old stories about celebrities. So I.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Manage it mainly through my inbox. Obviously, I've been doing this for over five years at this point, so I have my own, you know, sort of group of people and sources that I can go to to verify certain information, not all information. Like, sometimes I get asked the most random questions about the most niche celebrities, and those are much harder to answer, and I do use the crowdsourcing model to answer them. The bigger of a celebrity you are, the more A-list you are, the easier it is to get information about you. Okay, because there's just so many people around those people. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, it's just been a learning process, really.

• 40:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  I wanted to ask you personally, like, if you prefer huge A-list celebrity gossip or niche, or, I guess, do you love it all, it's all the same to you? Because I always wonder, it's like, people just go crazy for the Taylor, Travis, all of that, but we personally prefer, like, way more niche stuff, like, that feels more relatable sometimes. So, do you ever struggle with, like, I gotta cover the giant names because my audience wants that, or do you just... I'm just curious your take on that, big versus small?

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I literally cover who the people are asking about, and obviously, they're always asking about Taylor and Travis. I'm gonna ask you about it later. Okay, but me personally, I prefer either the celebrities that I'm interested in based on what I'm watching at that moment, or more niche celebrities. Yeah. So, that's me personally, but obviously, I have to cater to my audience. So, it is a lot of Bieber, Bieber stuff, it is a lot of Taylor and Travis, I'm trying to think, Kylie and Timothy. You know, sometimes the biggest and youngest fanbases, their voices are the loudest. So they are the ones who are like always in the Q and A, always in the in the inbox,

• 41:29Speaker 03

  you know, always sending emails. So I do tend to get stuck in a rut and and covering the same people. And then I have to remind myself, you know,

• 41:37Rayna Greenberg?

  There's a world out there.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, or I get really excited when somebody asks about somebody different.

• 41:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Um, yeah.

• 41:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's that's basically the process, though. It's just I just go wherever the audience takes me.

• 41:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, that makes sense. I mean, you can feel like waterboarded by like Glenn and Sydney Sweeney, and it's just like enough, but that if that's what people want. And I do want to ask you one more question, then we will get into some flow of gossip. We're recording with you basically on a black screen, so you don't show your face, you're anonymous. Do you have a dating life? Are you in a relationship? And does that person know who you are and what you do?

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Well, I did write a book in 2022. It's called Anon Please. So it's been out for a few years now, but it is based on the inception of Demaw, the account, and my life, my personal life around that time. And I did at that time meet someone through the account who I started a romantic relationship with, who I met literally in the DMs.

• 42:39Rayna Greenberg?

  And are you guys still together?

• 42:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  But they didn't know who.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  No, they knew they didn't know who I was, but they knew Demaw.

• 42:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they were like, I just am obsessed with what you do.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  No, they they worked in the business.

• 42:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Ah!

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Well, they work in the they work in the business and they want it to like work together.

• 42:55Rayna Greenberg?

  That is so cool. And so are you guys together?

• 42:58Speaker 03

  So, well, it's complicated, but no, the short answer is no. But besides him, no, I haven't really dated because what how do I explain this to anyone?

• 43:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  So curious about.

• 43:13Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, how do you go home with somebody's to somebody's family and they ask questions about you do and you say, I'm a journalist or I work in media. And then that sounds so cool. So people have more questions about it, you know, like, it's not like I'm it's It's not like I work at some like mid-range tech company.

• 43:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can be like, I am actually severed at the brain and I can't, I don't know what I do.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  I think, you know.

• 43:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's full of severance.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  People have asked me the question, like, whether it be, I don't know, if I'm getting my hair done and like the hairdresser asked me, I usually say marketing. Sometimes I say social media, but you know, those people I could just shut off, but to your point, I have thought about like, what do I tell someone? First of all, I would assume that most men my age don't even know what this is.

• 43:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  So I, you know, right there, right there, it's like, fine, but then to them it probably sounds stupid and silly.

• 44:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And you're like, hell, no, I'm a huge deal and you like, don't want to say that.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  Well, meanwhile, like consumes my every moment. Like I can never be unplugged from my phone, you know? So I, I don't know how I would explain that to anyone. I think that I've stayed attached to the relationship that I've just explained to you because it's been really easy to just be me around this person. Because he knows everything from the beginning. Like he's sort of been a mentor in a way where he really helped me in the beginning and he still helps me to this day, business-wise. So it's been really easy for me to just be attached to him, but it's not a good situation. So I do need to detach myself from that situation emotionally and figure out,

• 44:50Speaker 03

  I don't know, I guess I just say social media and then hope they don't ask any more questions.

• 44:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing.

• 44:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Be honest about that. And I mean, I, I certainly understand the sunk cost fallacy or the feeling of like, well, I've been in this line for so long, you know? And this person understands what I do for work and they understand something I can't really communicate with the rest of the world. I mean, I've dated people like that and been obsessed with people like that and people know who I am, you know? It's just, you spend so much time like revealing your soul to somebody who you can't reveal it to other people and like, it's hard to let it go.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Right. No, totally. Like I've called him crying before about, you know, whatever, something that was happening with Dama and he, he, he understood.

• 45:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  He understands. Like who the hell else would understand that? What are you crying? You're crying about like, what? Like what?

• 45:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I really feel for you. We should have done this on Girls Gotta Eat on a Monday episode and just been like, Dama's dating life. Okay. Well, let's talk about Coachella a little bit.

• 45:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, well, we'll lighten it up. But thank you for sharing that.

• 45:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 45:53Rayna Greenberg?

  And we think it's really interesting. And also, really want to encourage our listeners to buy your book.

• 45:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 45:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to also.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  It's been out for a long time. Yeah.

• 46:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  But thank you. It was very hard to promote it because I couldn't do anything in person.

• 46:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  You could be like a book tour. You could be like Sia, just kind of.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 46:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Or Dead Mouse. You could just like, wear a big.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  I don't know. I feel like there's definitely ways that we could have been more creative about it, but I didn't really promote it at all. So I think that my audience only knew about it from my Instagram. But, um, yeah.

• 46:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Our audience loves books.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Oh, good.

• 46:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they beg us for Book Rec, so you guys go get this book.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  Oh, a non-please. Yeah.

• 46:33Rayna Greenberg?

  A non-please. Um, all right. Well, let's talk about what's happening. I mean, I will obviously ask you, L. Taylor and Travis, in a little bit, but let's get into Coachella. First weekend of Coachella has wrapped. We're going into the second weekend of Coachella. Ashley and I did not go this year. But, um, what are you, what are you seeing? What are you feeling about week one?

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, I feel like the celebrities that have been spotted have all been, you know, no brainers. It's the people that are there every year. Hailey Bieber, Justin Bieber, Kylie, Kendall, Timothy was with Kylie, Leonardo DiCaprio, Paris Hilton. Um, I'm trying to think about who else.

• 47:09Rayna Greenberg?

  The cast of White Lotus.

• 47:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, the most centered of Watch Lisa.

• 47:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, White Lotus.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Patrick Schwarzenegger was there. I didn't see any other cast. Oh, Lisa.

• 47:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Guy Talk. Guy Talk was there. I forget his name.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Oh, he was?

• 47:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a good name. You should look it up. I don't want to like butcher it. It's a very cool name.

• 47:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, what, so my, I, I, I was talking to Tessa, um, who works at us right before this, and like, what I look forward to so much with Coachella is the fashion and seeing what people are going to wear. And I just, I felt really let down this year. I just felt like Kendall wore a sundress, Kylie just wore like a white crop tee. Timothy looked like he was going to summer camp. Like, I was disappointed by the fashion, except for like the revolve girlies, which like,

• 47:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Julia Fox.

• 47:45Rayna Greenberg?

  They look the same all the time. And Julia Fox.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  You know, I, I don't know their mindset, but my opinion on what they might be thinking is to dress up, not like a Julia Fox, because Julia Fox always brings it and she has her very own unique sense of style, but to dress in festival wear is cringe, maybe to them.

• 48:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 48:05Speaker 03

  So they're sort of like anti-festival wear, and that's what we're seeing from them.

• 48:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's, uh, that's, makes so much sense. They're like, we invented festival wear and then it became mainstream and now we're gonna wear the sundress. I will say though, the most unexpected celebrity for me was Bernie Sanders and I was not on my bingo card. And I was like, he is starting his influencer career at 83 and you love to see it. Just, it's been like living rent free all week. So that was something different, I guess, for Coachella.

• 48:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Anything else? Any other like gossip or celebs have that came across your desk?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  No, not really. I mean, listen, I think that all the crazy stuff happens in, you know, in the after-parties that are held in the private homes. So I don't think that you're gonna see anything crazy, um, you know, on the grounds, maybe in the VIP tent. Now, I did have people who were in the VIP area message me and it was just sightings. It wasn't anything crazy. Somebody said that, uh, they went up to Louis Tomlinson, you know, from One Direction and asked for a cigarette and he said no while he was smoking a cigarette. Uh, and like, it was like silly stuff like that. Somebody, somebody was behind Kylie and Timothy as

• 49:17Speaker 03

  they were walking into Charli XCX and, um, they heard Timothy say, "Yeah, we're going to Brat Town." Like, just like silly stuff like that, that people were messaging me. It wasn't anything crazy that people wanna hear. I don't have that kind of information. Sorry.

• 49:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I think you're right, though. I think it's, you know, it's the same cast of people as the Kardashians. It's the Vanderpump cast. It's a lot of Bachelor people. It's the Revolve girlies. And that was kinda on that, you know?

• 49:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, let's talk about Taylor and Travis.

• 49:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. I, so I have to tell you, I just, I've gone in waves with this. I was like, "It's too much. I don't care." And now I miss them. So have you gotten sight, like, where have they been? What's happening?

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I mean, I've gotten some sporadic sightings. I've also gotten some fake sightings because her fanbase is so, so, so crazy, like to a point of being mentally unstable, I think, sometimes.

• 50:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I saw you got fake sightings, so let's talk about it.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  We send in fake sightings, so...

• 50:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  For what purpose? Like, just...

• 50:20Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know.

• 50:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause it's anonymous? Like, just cut to...

• 50:23Speaker 03

  Well, I think to prove that some sightings that I have posted that clearly weren't fake aren't her. They, they do come up with, um, theories that there's body, body doubles... Um, I, I, I know it sounds, it's, it's crazy to like have a conversation with two, you know, smart, intelligent women and saying these words, but it's true. But as far as where they have been seen that have not been fabricated, literally all around the United States. They've been seen in New York. They've been seen in Montana. They've been seen in Kansas City. Travis has been seen in Florida. That was the last place he was seen.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. He's been playing golf. He's been training and she's been working on new music. And from what I heard from a person who is not a troll, um, is that they are really just staying private right now.

• 51:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, football season's over and the Eras Tour is over. Like it was just, we had, how many year, we had two full years of Eras Tour, them being together and then this, this two Super Bowls. Like it was, it just, this would seem like the time for them to chill. So, I don't know.

• 51:41Speaker 03

  The paparazzi caught them in New York City, I believe in February, um, going into Del Frisco's, which if, if you don't live in New York, it is like a steakhouse.

• 51:53Rayna Greenberg?

  A chain.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  A chain. Yeah. And people were analyzing those pictures to the point where, like I said, they were saying she was a body double. Why isn't she showing her face? Why is she hiding? You know?

• 52:09Rayna Greenberg?

  She's a clone?

• 52:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like, you know, maybe she's off. She's, she's on vacation. She's off.

• 52:16Speaker 03

  Uh, but no, everything is copacetic in Taylor and Travis land. Yes.

• 52:23Rayna Greenberg?

  It really reminds me that like people can be as private or public as they want and like they have chosen to go to the corner store in New York City with Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. Like they actually can have a private life if they so choose, but they go out with these celebrities to these big hotspots like via Carota with Gigi Hadid. And like, of course it's a media storm and if they choose to not be so public, they actually can. I just always wonder like, you don't see a lot of like Jay-Z and Beyonce getting like popped going to restaurants. Like you don't see a lot of this with huge celebrities. Like they do sort of put themselves out there to be photographed.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Well, I think that she is very aware and she does, she feeds her fans with those photos. She knows what she's doing. If you, if you look at those photos where, um, you know, she's walking from the car to the door, the door to the car, she's posing. Every step is a pose.

• 53:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And she's dressed from head to toe in a look. She, that is her opportunity to say, here I am, I'm, you know, I'm here. This is, this is what I'm doing this particular night. But when she doesn't want to be seen, she makes sure she's not. And that's, that's her right. People need to chill out a little bit. It gets a little crazy, uh, when they aren't photographed as much. Uh, I don't know why. People just need to use their common sense skills, which are clearly lacking on the internet and, uh, just realize that they're off. They're off.

• 53:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Duma is not a Swifty, if you guys can't tell.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  I, I mean, I'm not a Swifty, but I'm not, not a Swifty. I'm just, you know, I'm just existing.

• 53:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  There's, I think we all can agree. There's top level craziness far into the spectrum.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  We all have Taylor Swift too. Like, but yeah.

• 54:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, so I have a question for you. Um, so I, I feel like my constant news cycle is also like Justin, Haley, Selena, and it's non-stop. And I feel like he had a relationship with this girl for a long time. They broke up. He married another person. Like, how much of this is like manufactured continuously by other people? And most of this is just not news.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  I would say a hundred percent. Well, actually that's not true because there are things that have happened online over the past five years that I've been doing this, that we, we've all seen. We've all been witness to. The first thing was the, I, which I call eyebrow gate.

• 54:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Hmm.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  You remember that?

• 54:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course. My God. That was one of my, I don't care that much about them, but I cared about that.

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Right, so I didn't

• 54:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so like, it's just so like, I don't know, trivial.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  It's like middle school, but it, you know, it did, it did create like a shitstorm. And, you know, who's to say that they weren't making fun of Selena? I don't know. Do I think that, that all celebrities do things online to, you know, sort of egg on and bait these fans? Yes, 100%. They know the reaction that they're gonna get. They're not stupid.

• 55:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, that's a good point, which I, I, sometimes I'm just like, is all of this just drummed up nonsense? But they do drop some, some Easter eggs to drum up shit.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 55:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  To stay relevant, stay in the news.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Stay relevant. I think that at the end of the day, that people have to remember that this is a business. And any traffic that you're sending their way equals dollar signs, whether it be positive or negative. You know what I mean? The money going into their bank, it doesn't matter that it's coming from negative publicity or positive publicity. It doesn't know the difference. It's still, it's still getting deposited either way. And that's what happens when these big things happen online, they get more attention, which equals more exposure, which equals more clicks, which equals, who knows, more sales.

• 56:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  That kind of brings us to Blake Lively. Do you think that applies across the board? Cause I feel, when I think of Selena, Justin, Hailey, I agree with you completely that it's just a kind of all press is good press thing. I don't think everything that's happened over the years is, would affect their business. In fact, it would.

• 56:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Drive people to ruin beauty.

• 56:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  It would grow the business, but like, I think what we've seen is Blake Lively is a real rejection, which

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  does translate into her hair care line, everything else she's doing. So we were just curious about your thoughts on, on them? The whole triangle, Justin, Blake, Ryan?

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Well, you know, Blake Lively had a very specific reputation prior to filming It Ends With Us. That people in the industry knew about, that I've even reported on years ago, before this movie was even Yeah. So her behavior, I'm not talking about the alleged hijacking of the film or her allegations towards Justin Baldoni. I'm just talking about her sort of being, um, I don't know how to describe it, difficult, a little bit of a diva, maybe a little bit of a know it all. That, that was nothing new. You know, that, that, that, that, that is behavior that she's, has allegedly exhibited before.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  So, I feel like she didn't know what she was getting herself into. I mean, maybe she thought that she could get away, as she has for so many years, because as I'm saying, this isn't, her reputation isn't new, with acting a certain way, and this time, he wasn't gonna let her get away with it, especially since it was a movie that he was so involved in, you know, as being the producer and, and the director. So, I, I don't think, I think she bit off more than she could chew. I don't think she realized she was gonna get this kind of backlash. I mean, she was Serena Vander Woodsen, for Christ sakes. Like, you know, you can't

• 58:06Speaker 03

  get more loved than that, I feel like, especially on social media, prior to It Ends With Us.

• 58:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, and she, you can be bitchy and have these reputations, and people can still be okay with it, but when people think that you're a liar, and you're completely inauthentic, that's, I think it can all come crashing down.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  Right, like, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I, I, I want to be clear, the rumors that I had heard about her before were nothing to the level that we've heard involved, you know, with her involvement in this Justin Baldoni lawsuit. And the things that she's alleged against him, it never, it never got to that. But I still think that maybe she had a certain sense of self-importance.

• 58:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Because, yeah, because, because she never got called out for her, her shit, like I'm saying. Like, she was Serena Vander Woodsen, she was Ryan Reynolds' wife, you know, I don't think people-

• 59:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  People think they're so funny, you know?

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Right, they're so funny, they're so witty, like, and I, I don't think that people really realize how powerful and how much money they had prior to this.

• 59:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and also, you know, Ashlyn and I say all the time, we don't want to just come down on Blake Lively. Justin Baldoni seems terrible also. Like, they both seem to have contributed to this collectively. We don't want to just slam her.

• 59:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I don't know, I go, I always go back and forth, I don't know.

• 59:28Rayna Greenberg?

  But her behavior seems bad.

• 59:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know what I'm feeling today.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  I think that we need to wait. I think we need to wait, and I've said this from the beginning. I think we need to wait until the trial comes and we see all of the information presented before us, not in piecemeal from one side and then the other side attacking. You know, I I've been accused of being paid by Blake Lively's team to support her.

• 59:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mm hmm.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  But, yeah.

• 59:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, then there's that, yeah, and on the other side, too, people accused from being paid on the other. Like, I've seen a lot of that narrative.

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, but I've been strictly accused of being paid by Blake's team. I'm sorry, being paid, yes, by her team to support her, where I've said everything I've said to you publicly. People just, if if you don't come out and say Blake Lively is a fucking liar and poor Justin Baldoni, then you automatically support Blake. And I I didn't do that because I want to see all of the evidence presented.

• 1:00:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, all right, I I have to run. It's a long story. Our audience sort of knows, but this was wonderful talking with you. I'm going to leave you alone with Reina.

• 1:00:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And we're going to talk about Bravo for two hours.

• 1:00:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and have fun, and thank you for everything. This was wonderful.

• 1:00:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, get out of here.

• 1:00:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, all right, bye, guys.

• 1:00:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay, yeah, let's pivot to the Bravo sphere because I'm so obsessed. What are you seeing out of the Bravo sphere? Are we starting new Vanderpump? What are you seeing about the Valley? Anything about the Valley right now? I mean, obviously, Brittany Carr, right, just gave this big interview about her son having autism. She stays hating Jax, which I love.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, God bless her for even putting up with that man at all. Um, but no, I'm I only hear about new shows that are on the horizon as far as, um, Housewife franchises. I've heard Chicago is in the works. I've heard Rhode Island is in the works. I've heard that somebody from another cast is joining the Rhode Island cast. If that if that show, I don't know if they started filming. I don't know if it's in development. I don't know if it's just a concept. I have no idea. I saw with my own eyes there will be that a Rhode Island franchise was, you know, concepted with another member from another cast, from a cast that's, and I'm, I haven't even said it like this, but I'll I'll tell your audience.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Do you have a big Bravo audience?

• 1:01:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, we have a whole audience of girly pops, you know, so, yes.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  A whole audience of girly pops, I love that, yeah. So, it's, it's, um, somebody from a franchise that's currently on pause.

• 1:02:09Rayna Greenberg?

  So, I think it's really interesting that these franchises are on pause and you're seeing there's a new show on Bravo as well, and several of the kids of the Housewives are gonna be this New York City, um, Gea, Jud- Judases on it, um, and is it Kenya Moore's daughter or son?

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, her, her daughter. I'm talking about Kenya Moore, Candy, Candy.

• 1:02:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Candy, so, you're seeing a lot of these spinoffs and it, do you feel like people are just kinda done with these older franchises? Is this type of television on the way out and people are, like, can, can somebody, like, be on reality TV for 15 years and still feel like fresh and not so angry? I mean, these, these franchises feel like we've beaten each other up to death and we have to move on to new ones.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Well, this is what happens, I mean, look at what happened with New York. You know, everybody was bitching about New York and then they recast the whole thing and now everyone's nostalgic for the old days.

• 1:03:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  So, it's almost like be careful what you wish for. As far as New York, I know that they are holding auditions for new cast members. I don't know exactly who's leaving, I have an idea of who I think might be leaving, and it is rumored that Lindsay Hubbard.

• 1:03:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I was gonna ask you.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, I mean, that, that's, that's a rumor that is, I don't know if they think it because she was pictured attending Abe and Aaron's new baby's brisk. She was at the brisk, so I don't know if that's why they think it or if it's viable, but I would love to see her on Housewives.

• 1:03:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, listen, I've talked shit on her, finding her performance on Summer House, but truly, she is some of the best television. She brings it, no one works harder than her to, like, break up during a season, be pregnant during a season, but like, I could not be in a summer house with these kids. I just, I don't party like I used to. It has nothing to do with, like, being a mom, moms can party, but like, I, at my age, I can't be partying with these people, I would have to pivot franchises.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Right, exactly, but also, aren't they sort of aging out of partying too?

• 1:04:07Rayna Greenberg?

  The Summer House people?

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I'm saying. I mean, I think for me to be like Kyle Cook or Lindsay Hubbard, the OGs of Summer House, Carl, Carl Sober, like, how are you still hanging out in this Summer House with these kiddos?

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  Right. So I agree with you 100% and think it would be amazing if we saw her on Housewives of New York City.

• 1:04:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I think so too. I think she would like revitalize the franchise. I mean, a lot of these people were kind of thrown together. And she does seem to be at least friends with a couple of those people. So, oh, I would love that.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Same. And she doesn't take shit from anybody. Like, that cast needs a little bit of, you know, like, electric shock. Like, they need to be, um, they're just different, I guess. They're different. I, I watched the whole season. Like, don't get me wrong. I, I was glued to season one and two of the new New York, but it's just not like the old ladies.

• 1:04:58Rayna Greenberg?

  No. I mean, I, listen, I'm in the same camp. I complained about the old New York for so long, and now, like, I kind of miss these batshit crazy ladies.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I know. So I think that Lindsay knows how to, like you said, make good television, and she could bring a little bit of that batshit back.

• 1:05:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Hell, yes. Okay, love it. Before I let you go, any other hot, crazy tea that you're like dropping this week, and I think you're really into right now, anything at all?

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Gosh, I'm trying to, the things that, um, everyone always asks me what I'm into, and it honestly never has anything to do with celebrity gossip. It's like the Chinese tariffs and, and the, um, did you see that Kid Influencer documentary on Netflix?

• 1:05:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it was hard to get through. I watched, um, I watched one and a half episodes, and I really, it's hard to just to see what these kids were put through, and just the amount of work that they were being forced to do, and it's, it's just, it's tough to watch.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. So those are the things that I'm personally into. But as far as, um, dropping, like, any...

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Big bombs. I mean, when does this episode come out? Two days, Thursday. Okay, so I'm about to post some pictures, exclusive paparazzi pictures of Diana Agron. Um, looks like she has a new guy. Okay. I don't know if your audience were big Glee fans. Tessa's nodding her head, yes. Okay, uh, she's just spotted on the streets of New York City. You could check the feed. Their, today's Tuesday, they'll be posted soon as I get off this Zoom. He's a mystery man, it says. It looks like she split from her boyfriend, so... That was like literally the latest thing that's come through. You know, I'm also still trying to figure out what went down between Amy Lou Wood and Walton Goggins. People say they had an affair, right?

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  On this, on the set of White Lotus. Yes, yes, but that, that's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to how the media is writing these headlines, calling it now a feud. I don't think that they were feuding. I think that filming wraps. He obviously is really enamored with her. Yeah. I mean... Aren't we all? Right. He's publicly, I feel like, expressed that. And I think she just had to like, cut it off. And that's why she unfollowed him or blocked him. Some believe that she blocked him. Oh my... Not only unfollowed, yeah, because, and I said, I said to the fans, "Why do you think she blocked rather than unfollowed?" And they said, "Because some of her comments disappeared." Oh my god.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  From his Instagram posts. Like, you don't understand, the fans are the fucking, they figure everything out. I mean, I don't know if that's true. I didn't check it because I wasn't following him prior, but, um... No, women are the FBI. Right. If that is true, and she blocked him, then my theory of like him becoming a little bit too into the whole...

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  You know, Chelsea, Rick, dynamic is what I think. I don't think it's a feud.

• 1:07:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Rayna Greenberg?

  That was, that was a great way to wrap it up. And we had everything. White Lotus, Taylor, Bravo, all of it. I mean, you have been such a pleasure. I could keep you forever. Um, but I really want to encourage people to buy your book, Anon, please, listen to your podcast, do you, and obviously your Instagram all the time.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. It was great meeting you.

• 1:08:16Rayna Greenberg?

  This is such a pleasure. Thank you so much.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:08:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Bye.

• 1:08:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, we hope you guys enjoy this episode of The Snack with this special interview. And you guys can find us at girlsgottaeat.com, GirlsGotToEat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess, Reina is Reina.Greenberg. Subscribe on YouTube, share this episode with a friend, and we will see you Monday.

• 1:08:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.

• 1:08:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.