Mercedes Unimog Returns! New Porsche Cayman? Can Nissan Save Itself?

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod. I am Kenan.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot to cover. Let's start with the news. Ha ha. Unimog. OK, this just was announced like earlier today. So I don't necessarily have all the details. What's the story?

• 1:19Speaker 03

  OK, so we're celebrating 80 years of the Unimog. You, we were all.

• 1:23Doug DeMuro?

  We're all, we're getting it a dinosaur shaped birthday cake. It's in my calendar.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  So Mercedes has made a like one off, modernized, luxurious version of it. It has premium leather, has LED lighting, has a six cylinder engine, all the Unimog things. And they are apparently testing it with some customers, at least one customer, for the next year or so before deciding whether to build it. So they're, it's not like a concept. They're truly trying to figure out, do we want to build this as a standalone model? Do we want to invest in this? And so they're doing some tests for about the next year.

• 1:53Doug DeMuro?

  You know, this is cool.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  Absolutely, and this is, I think I speak for like the whoever like oversees like their Middle East division of like, it's like, build it. There are customers who will buy this.

• 2:06Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the site. Do you remember when I reviewed that Unimog?

• 2:08Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:08Doug DeMuro?

  A couple of years ago on Cape Cod, for god knows what reason, I reviewed that one.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:14Doug DeMuro?

  And it changed my life. And that had just a four cylinder. Was it a four cylinder?

• 2:20Speaker 03

  I tell you, it didn't feel like one.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Big cylinders.

• 2:23Doug DeMuro?

  Big cylinders.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Historically, it used to have a 5.1 liter inline four. That one may not have, but that's

• 2:28Doug DeMuro?

  This thing was so cool. Now, I will say, it was more a commercial truck than like personally owned, like it had air brakes.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  What was it? Go down to see if he's actually right about this four cylinder. No, that one did not. Go up.

• 2:39Doug DeMuro?

  It was a 4.4 liter turbocharged six cylinder.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  The new one will have a 7.7 liter six cylinder diesel.

• 2:47Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:48Doug DeMuro?

  That one was incredibly cool. This one looks like a modernized version of it, but i- i- as cool as it looks, like it really was, like these are like snowplows and they are not like, it looks like, oh, I want to have one of those. You don't.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:01Doug DeMuro?

  You're like, you're like climbing stairs to get in. That's like what it is.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  But this one will have a high grade leather, contrast stitching, leather floor mats.

• 3:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  So you know it's luxurious.

• 3:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  And virtual mirrors.

• 3:14Speaker 04

  Let's see, I'm unfortunate I go buy one for sure. Yeah, I want that. It's so cool.

• 3:18Doug DeMuro?

  He's off that stuff. He's like driving around escalades now. Every time I see him, he's in an escalade.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  I think he'll still have this with his stogie. I can see it.

• 3:24Doug DeMuro?

  Virtual mirrors, so it's not coming to the States.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Of course. They're not even sure they want to build it. The news article that I saw said they were giving it to one customer for a year, which feels like somebody that really, really paid.

• 3:36Doug DeMuro?

  How cool would that be? You live in Switzerland, you get this for a year, you cruise around, you're the only person. You're the only person.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yep, and it's worth it.

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I do think it's neat that they make Mercedes Benz has a product line that stretches all the way to this.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:50Doug DeMuro?

  BMW and Mercedes are purportedly in competition, but come on. Come on.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Agreed. Agreed. Right. Well, that's the biggest news story of the week. Let's down from here.

• 3:59Doug DeMuro?

  The actual biggest news story of the week, as we reported a few weeks ago, as the Wall Street Journal reported, there were rumors that Ford was going to cancel the F-150 Lightning, which is their electric pickup truck, not to be confused with the F-150 Thunder, which is their loud.

• 4:14Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 4:14Doug DeMuro?

  They have confirmed they are going to cancel the F-150 Lightning. And Jim Farley did a big thing about how Ford really is kind of going to start to focus on extended range EVs. I presume that that means is plug-in hybrids. It was announced also that they're just general hybrids is going to kind of be the focus.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Purportedly their extended range EV, which there will be an F-150 version of, will be driven by the battery, but with a range extending engine.

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I hate to say it.

• 4:42Speaker 03

  So not like a.

• 4:43Doug DeMuro?

  I hate to say it and you hate to say it. But plug-in hybrids always kind of made the most sense. If we're really being honest with ourselves. And the F-150 power boost, good truck. I just. And I'm in plug-in, but good truck.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Expanding from this further, thinking about it in a historical, in a historical context. I wonder how we're going to look back at this era. It is such a weird era of flux to go from full EV back to plug-in. And I agree, plug-in realistically was the correct choice. But like eventually is it going to go back to full EV?

• 5:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 04

  At some point it will. So it's, it's like a weird like progress dip and then back.

• 5:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you look at globally and globally EVs are clearly what's being chosen by people. About 25% of new vehicles globally. I mean, both, both in Europe and in Asia, where, which is, you know, where the majority of these things are, our sales of vehicles are happening outside of North America and that's only increasing. And so, yeah, I'll go back, but yes, it is a weird period where we like did a false start on EVs.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  And now we're rolling, everybody is rolling it back.

• 5:40Doug DeMuro?

  Retreated a little.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  Ford to Porsche, everybody.

• 5:43Doug DeMuro?

  But we talked to RJ, you know, three, four months ago and he was like, this is short sighted and he's got a, he's got a bias, but he's also probably right. If you look, if you look globally, no matter how much you're like, EVs are stupid V8s forever. You gotta see what's coming in the future and it's pretty clear where it's going to go.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  And by the way, don't forget that in 2008. Chevrolet came out with a hybrid SUV and a hybrid pickup truck.

• 6:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Nobody bought them.

• 6:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  And there hasn't been a hybrid Tahoe.

• 6:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's because it was.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Or Silverado since.

• 6:15Doug DeMuro?

  That's because it was a V eight with a. It was a V eight with a nine volt attached to it.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  But still, right, like there was like a surge of movement towards hybrids. Ford had the Escape hybrid that was incredibly successful, but then the subsequent generation didn't have one. Like, there was like a little bit of an ebb and flow. Except a Range EV will be cool. Uh, there was a middle generation when there wasn't.

• 6:33Doug DeMuro?

  Which one?

• 6:34Speaker 03

  The not current.

• 6:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. I want to come out like thirteen.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Don't doubt my my Ford Escape hybrid knowledge. Uh, except a Range EV will be cool. It will be, the wheels will be powered by the battery, not by the motor.

• 6:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Fine. They had to write off eighteen billion dollars.

• 6:48Doug DeMuro?

  Some insane number.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Some insane number. Nineteen point five, nineteen point five.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  Crazy.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Because they've invested a ton in this and they're basically saying this isn't going to be successful in the near future. They're probably not wrong. They are also investing in hybrid, as Doug mentioned, also investing in smaller hybrid vehicles. Because right now they don't have any small vehicles.

• 7:04Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it is interesting.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Small.

• 7:07Doug DeMuro?

  One thing we're going to look back on this era and think about is how much of the EV demand was generated by incentive. And I think Ford is looking at the picture and saying there will, these incentives will not continue. They don't expect it to continue. You have to imagine a lot of political future predicting going on in Ford boardrooms. And in strategy sessions where they're thinking, is there going to be another Republican after Trump? Is these, are these things really gonna? And based on their, their decisions, they're probably thinking these things aren't going to go back. The, the EV, the EV incentives are probably not going to return quickly.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:41Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and in, in, in large numbers.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Yep. And I will say Ford's investment, they, we talked a couple of months ago about investment they're making like a universal platform for cheaper EVs that Ford is going to build a pickup truck on and a bunch of other vehicles. They're calling it their universal EV platform. They're still continuing to invest in that, but what Jim Farley said yesterday announcing this was the fifty thousand dollar plus EV market isn't there for them. But they think the low price one might still be.

• 8:05Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  There's incentive driven, certainly.

• 8:07Doug DeMuro?

  There are fifty thousand dollar plus EVs that seem to be selling pretty well. You know, I still.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  In November, December.

• 8:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but like, aren't Rivian still selling? Aren't, aren't EV nine selling? We see those, I see McConney V's okay, like, I, I do wonder, they're, not that I think that this is incredibly popular. I think a lot of those vehicles were developed when incentive structures were different than they are now or are developed primarily for other markets where EVs are more popular. But nonetheless. It's an interesting thing to just write this investment down and be like, well, it's over. Ford presumably knows that this is going to be coming at some point. But are they thinking that it's 10 years down the road when technology is going to be so different that everything they've invested already is not worth it?

• 8:45Speaker 03

  I do think, I mean, Jim Farley is one of the more public CEOs, right? He did a ton of interviews, especially in the last couple of months. And he has said very publicly that he thinks a lot of Ford's EV tech is just not competitive. So I also wonder whether there's a little bit of, we're going to give up on this EV vertical and invest in these other things.

• 9:00Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Xiaomi.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Sure. What are you, Marques Brown? He did a big review of a Xiaomi.

• 9:06Doug DeMuro?

  I did a review of a Xiaomi. I get a text from a buddy of mine the other day, hey, what are you reviewing a Xiaomi? I'm like, I sent him my link. I'm like, dude, what am I, Google? I did that. It's good. People watched that. It was teal in color. All right, move on to the next.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  More people watch Marques' song.

• 9:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, Marques beat me. What is this? This looks weird.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  All right, so this is the successor to the current Cayman Boxer. This is obviously not what it will look like. This is a development.

• 9:31Doug DeMuro?

  Talking about cars, we've walked back the EV situation.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Yep. So that is, so we knew, and we've known for a little bit now, that on top of developing an EV version, because originally the 718 successor was going to be all EV.

• 9:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  They're going to continue the current four-cylinder powered 718 Cayman, 718 Boxer.

• 9:48Doug DeMuro?

  Great, that's what everybody likes. That's what everybody likes and wants, the four-cylinder.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Uh, but they've now said that they've, they're behind the scenes doing a ton of development work to fit gasoline engines into the EV platform. So on top of continuing the current 718, uh, which might be the 982 generation, nobody knows.

• 10:05Doug DeMuro?

  No, the current one is called the 982.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 10:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to tell you a story.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  The 983 will be both EV and gas, but they're having to do a ton of work because they developed it to have a giant battery for, as part of the core structure. And now we'll also have an engine.

• 10:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Tough. A lot of engineering work behind that.

• 10:23Doug DeMuro?

  You know, even separate from this kind of pullback on EVs, a lot of people were saying five years ago, when it was rumored that they were switching this car to EV, that there wasn't going to be a market for it.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 10:35Doug DeMuro?

  And I think that was a, I think it was always a mistake. I think even if EVs were full speed ahead and we had elected a Democrat who was still pushing it, and in North America it was still strong, and globally it was still strong, I think this still would have been a mistake.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  And so, you know.

• 10:52Doug DeMuro?

  Too bad.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 10:53Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, am I wrong? Like, come on.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  No, it's a shame they can't read the writing on the wall. Of course.

• 10:57Doug DeMuro?

  What EV sports car has ever been desirable?

• 11:00Speaker 03

  There have been none built.

• 11:01Doug DeMuro?

  Even the Rimac Nevara at a million dollars is not desirable. Even the i8, even it used at $35,000, people aren't fighting. Like, come on.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  I think that there is, there's maybe an unknown market for an EV sports car.

• 11:15Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. It's unknown. We don't know anyone who's in it.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  I think there could be a market, legitimately, truly.

• 11:24Doug DeMuro?

  What has a bigger market? The Nissan Armada Nismo, which I'm reviewing right now, or the electric Boxster?

• 11:30Speaker 03

  No comment.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  It's a race to the bottom there.

• 11:34Speaker 03

  It is quite a testament to how long they think that it would be before an EV sports car is the most desirable option, that they are not just saying, we'll continue the 718 for a couple of years. They're saying, we're gonna invest tens of, not hundreds of millions of dollars to fit a gas engine in what we have planned.

• 11:49Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan and I will tell you how long it will be before an EV sports car is desirable.

• 11:54Speaker 04

  I'll do math. Carry the one. Long time.

• 11:57Doug DeMuro?

  Never. Long time.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  I don't think it'll, for me, well, I don't, I just, I don't know. I'm open to the idea of trying one, but like, I, I don't know, like, when I, even when I drove, like, the really early Tesla Roadster, it was cool and everything. Was it a great driving experience? Not really. I mean, it wasn't like, well, do I want that? No.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Do you find a fourth cylinder PDK Boxster desirable?

• 12:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the other thing that has been announced is that Porsche is gonna start putting in the shifting. They're gonna start putting in the shifting. Now, that, they've, that was not what they originally said.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  They've learned.

• 12:32Doug DeMuro?

  They originally were like, be a German who's not gonna put in electric shifting in their cars.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Why would we do that? We're not putting it in. That makes no sense. That's efficient.

• 12:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly it.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  You actually want it to be worse, is what you're saying.

• 12:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly it. They were interviewed and said that. They were like, it's less efficient, it's not as fast, it's not as good. Well, guess what?

• 12:50Speaker 03

  You mean where, like, there are sounds that you can then shit, like, like the 5N does?

• 12:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's not just sounds, though. It's a feel.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Like, it like, it rocks a little bit.

• 12:59Doug DeMuro?

  The IONIQ 5N shifting is the greatest thing that ever happened to electric cars. There are two great things that happen to electric cars. That and the Chevy S10 Electric.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 13:08Doug DeMuro?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  I'm familiar. I don't have a doubt.

• 13:11Doug DeMuro?

  See if we've sold one.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  We have not.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  Almost like.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  We would, if we did, we'd talk about it daily.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  We sold some S10s, but no.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Only 15.

• 13:21Doug DeMuro?

  We never sold an electric S10.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  No, if you have an electric S10, which I doubt we do.

• 13:25Doug DeMuro?

  Is this a real business if we're not selling electric S10s?

• 13:29Speaker 03

  How many are around?

• 13:30Doug DeMuro?

  You know who hasn't sold any electric S10s? Us and also Chevrolet. No, they sold five or eight.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Well, to universities.

• 13:39Doug DeMuro?

  Never personally, yeah, to universities in 2003, there's a 31-mile range. And if it was cold, it was a nine-mile range and drove at a walking pace. Anyway, all that's true of the electric Boxster as well.

• 13:51Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 13:52Doug DeMuro?

  I am so pumped for this thing to go back to gas. I don't care if it's a four-cylinder, if they do another four-liter. And by the way, this looks pretty cool. I, this looks like a 911, but Boxster, I mean, they're trying to disguise it. But it's got some wide hips, which we liked about the 987. And let's bring it back with a manual. We doing it.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  Yep, gas and manuals, bring them back.

• 14:11Doug DeMuro?

  Charger's coming back with a V8? This thing's coming back with a manual?

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Charger's coming back with a V8?

• 14:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you gotta assume.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  No, they don't have a V8.

• 14:17Doug DeMuro?

  Trump's running the country. We got, we got Republicans infiltrating everything.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  It's got a hurricane.

• 14:21Doug DeMuro?

  A hurricane, by the way, is a great powertrain. I'm happy with that, too.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 14:25Doug DeMuro?

  Have I driven one of those yet?

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 14:27Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta get me in one of those.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  All right. If you are FCA, let me get Doug in one of those.

• 14:31Doug DeMuro?

  I still think it's called FCA, that's gonna be your biggest problem. Stellantis, Stellantis!

• 14:36Speaker 03

  You're right. Wow.

• 14:38Doug DeMuro?

  Been a decade now.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Tough moment for me.

• 14:40Doug DeMuro?

  These people all work for Stellantis, CDJR. All right, move on to the next one.

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• 16:34Doug DeMuro?

  He's still thinking it's called Eagle. Oh, God, what is this?

• 16:37Speaker 03

  All right, the EU has for a long time been saying that by 2030, they basically will, excuse me, by 2035, they won't have any gas-powered new cars. Right, they were requiring 100% reduction in CO2 emissions from 2021 to 2035. They have basically today reversed that planned ban. There's some stuff, some like logistical government stuff to fill it up.

• 16:58Doug DeMuro?

  What a surprise.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  But their new rules is that they need to cut it to 10% of 2021 levels. So they'll still be very reliant on a lot of cars going EV. They'll still be very reliant on plug-in hybrids, but a lot more room for gas.

• 17:12Doug DeMuro?

  I might give you a little hint. They gonna roll that back too.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Agreed. Agreed. That is the new story.

• 17:19Doug DeMuro?

  What is China's current percentage of EVs? It's like 50 some percent?

• 17:22Speaker 03

  53.7%.

• 17:23Doug DeMuro?

  Even China, which essentially is creating a new economy and new infrastructure and all that, it only at 53%. Now, they got 10 years. The EU's got 10 years.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 17:32Doug DeMuro?

  Although that clock is a ticking.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  By the way, they can also offset based on the new rules, up to 10% through the use of low-carbon steel that's made in the EU, through e-fuels and biofuels.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  EU, they make steel in the EU?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Think they want to.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  Low carbon steel, no less.

• 17:49Doug DeMuro?

  Boy.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  So in other words, walking back a little bit, leaving, still kind of pushing for EVs and low emissions, but riding on the wall.

• 17:57Doug DeMuro?

  Did they walk back, did they, did they give a new target date for zero emission? Are they saying 2040?

• 18:02Speaker 03

  I don't think they have. Incredibly.

• 18:04Doug DeMuro?

  V8s will still live in Europe.

• 18:06Speaker 04

  On this graphic.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  What, there are V8s for sale.

• 18:11Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche and Toyota have that turbo V8. Mercedes AMG has that turbo V8. There are Swiss people who still are buying V8s.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:17Doug DeMuro?

  And Italy has those Ferrari and Lamborghini cars.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Interesting point of those.

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You gotta wonder, you remember when they used to, they used to heavily neuter the cars for America? Like the 308 would have, like, there'd be an America version because of the cats and all this. And there'd be a Euro version where it just breathed.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 18:36Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna, if you ever wonder if there's gonna be like a Temerario, John Tamarinian, where they do like a four cylinder for Europe, because that's all Europe seems to have.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Hey, BMW did with the E30s.

• 18:46Doug DeMuro?

  With the, in Italy.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  In Italy and Portugal.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, with the S4.

• 18:49Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'm saying, though? Like, do you wonder if there's a chance that someday they realize, like, there are still market demand for these big old motors and let's just do them for those countries?

• 18:58Speaker 03

  And, yes.

• 18:59Doug DeMuro?

  And the weenie countries who want their pure EV, EV only, they can do that, too?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Salantus tried with the Charger.

• 19:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's a, it's a flip ski of the 80s.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  Well, yes. I mean, but it's not, I mean, this has been going on for a while. Like, America has kind of become the bastion of manual transmissions. Who would have thought that?

• 19:15Doug DeMuro?

  But, but the automakers are not giving us different, like, I'm talking John Tamarinian, four cylinder in Europe, John Tamarinian V10.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  I bet it will happen. I bet it'll happen.

• 19:24Doug DeMuro?

  It'll probably happen at least a little.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, some of them, it would not make sense to make, to do for the John Tamarinian, because the volume is low, but you gotta assume, like, Mercedes and BMW will eventually be forced to stop selling V8s in Europe, and they can't completely.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  It's already true. Like, what are the, the C-Class trims here? It's a C300, which is a two, four cylinder.

• 19:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, all those are true.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Like, those also exist there, but nobody buys them. Like, the take rate on them is so low that fundamentally, they don't need to exist.

• 19:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. But Panamera Turbo and stuff, do you think, I guess my question is, one day, will there be a Panamera Turbo that in Europe is a EV or a plug-in hybrid two cylinder? And in the States, they still run with the old motor, because they still can.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  I truly think so, yeah. By the way,

• 20:05Doug DeMuro?

  We'll finally get the 80s back. Those bad bumpers.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  This is, this is.

• 20:10Doug DeMuro?

  It all comes back.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Around again.

• 20:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  I support those bumpers. By the way, our producer is very proud of this image, so.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  Yes, it's a carbureted V10 that appears to be bleeding.

• 20:21Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a 10?

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

• 20:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, it is. It could be a V9. You don't know.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 20:27Doug DeMuro?

  It does appear to be bleeding. I don't know where we got this picture, but geez.

• 20:33Doug DeMuro?

  So, anyway, this, every story we ever talk about in news is, is either some new car that's being revealed and is amazing, or automakers and governments rolling back EV mandates. Go to the next news story. Let's hear about more EV mandates.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  All right, no, no, not, not EV mandates, the opposite-ish. Nissan, company that's doing well, is going to release 10 new Nismo models.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  Dude, 10.

• 20:55Doug DeMuro?

  I want to, I want to be, I want to say something.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  They currently have 5.

• 20:58Doug DeMuro?

  I want to say something for those watching at home. Right now in the office, we have this car. It's sitting right over there. It's the Nismo Armada.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  Because you know what the SUV needs? Large body on frame.

• 21:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy. They're doing a high, there's an off-road high-performance version of the Armada already, and that's true of every full-size. The Tahoe Z71 is a Q3 Pro. But they're doing a street performance version. The Nismo Armada.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Well, we love the GMC Cyclone.

• 21:25Doug DeMuro?

  That was a tiny little truck, and it doubled the power. This is a 6100 pound car that has.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  600 horsepower would be cool.

• 21:33Doug DeMuro?

  600 pound car that has a Nismo's, a body kit and a rear spoiler. It's great, obviously. In my opinion, this is the Lincoln Blackwood and the Murano Cross Cabriolet of our generation.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Is there more power?

• 21:46Doug DeMuro?

  There is 35 more horsepower.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  That's got to be like 5%.

• 21:49Doug DeMuro?

  And the engine, as I, as you saw earlier, there's a plaque on the engine that says that it was expertly tuned.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  By the factory.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  The regular.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Not the engineers by the factory.

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  The regular Armada is just tuned. This one.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  Oh, don't do that.

• 22:03Doug DeMuro?

  Is expertly tuned.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Okay, well, regardless, there will be at least five more.

• 22:10Doug DeMuro?

  What else are they coming out with?

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Alright, so there are apparently five right now for show globally. They're gonna be going up to 10.

• 22:14Doug DeMuro?

  370Z Armada.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  The Nissan Z is not 370Z. The Nissan Z, the Armada, and uh... Their global variants of the Aria, the EV.

• 22:24Doug DeMuro?

  There's an Arianismo? We don't get that?

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Yep. The Skyline sedan. We don't get the Aria anymore.

• 22:28Doug DeMuro?

  This is the problem. Trump killed EVs like the great Arianismo.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  The Skyline sedan.

• 22:32Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up a picture of the Arianismo. Good luck spelling it.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Yep. A-R-I-Y-A.

• 22:39Doug DeMuro?

  IY, okay. Skyline sedan.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, apparently it exists.

• 22:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Oh, we're missing out on this Nissan Europe. Oh my God, I was just making fun of the Europeans. I hope they still send us this car.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  The X-trail, which is the Rogue, has a off-road Nismo edition.

• 22:54Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  Not in the US.

• 22:55Doug DeMuro?

  What's coming? What are the new ones coming?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  We expect, we being the community of Nissan enthusiasts, a leaf Nismo.

• 23:03Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 23:04Speaker 03

  I'm not joking.

• 23:04Doug DeMuro?

  Is that the best or the worst on your little list here?

• 23:07Speaker 03

  Uh, there might be a Sentra Nismo. It's not gonna... But they have teased one like standalone-ish Nismo model. Cause Nismo still goes racing and so I think they might have to do something.

• 23:20Doug DeMuro?

  GR GT rival.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  Right. Well, I don't think they have the money for that.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  They are really testing the strength of the Nismo brand.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Dude, there is no Nismo brand.

• 23:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be big. You know who's gonna buy these?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  What can you say?

• 23:33Doug DeMuro?

  Uber Black drivers who, well, they go to the dealer and there's a better discount on this than a regular Armada.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's who's gonna buy these.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's like the Avalon TRD.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Uh, it's likely to be normal cars that are Nismo-ified.

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I can't wait. Okay, next news. Ah, yes. So this is an Audi GT50. Now, this is a concept car that Audi has made based on the RS3. Basically, every now and again, they let their apprentices kind of just let their minds go wild and build something cool. We're marking 50 years since the Audi 5-cylinder engine came into existence, and so to celebrate that...

• 24:09Speaker 04

  They set fourteen of the young apprentices wild on an RS3 to make this. The things I found that were interesting, the roof comes from an Audi 80, which I think is a very weird thing to use.

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it looks like.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  The rest of the car is made out of, you know, kind of fiberglass and stuff like that. Now, they said that they aren't going to build this, obviously, but nonetheless, I think this is a really cool looking concept and.

• 24:31Doug DeMuro?

  We don't build the cool stuff.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  They don't build the cool.

• 24:33Doug DeMuro?

  We build the Nismo Armada.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  They're like, we let the young brains go crazy, build something cool, and then we say, we put it away. And we go back to making other hatchbacks and slow cars.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  The same Q7 in the hottest segment in the world for nine years.

• 24:49Doug DeMuro?

  What's the story with that? Can you figure out something about that? You got your little bike shirt on. You got any insight?

• 24:55Speaker 03

  About the fact that they've sold literally the same Audi Q7 for the last nine years.

• 24:59Doug DeMuro?

  Explain this to me. The Volkswagen Group, uh, the Macan has been the same since it came out. The Q7's been the same, the Q5, these are the hottest cars they have.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  The Q5 got redesigned this year.

• 25:09Doug DeMuro?

  And instead they're coming out with the Q4 Sportback and stuff like that, and the ID.4.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:15Doug DeMuro?

  Sportback.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 25:16Doug DeMuro?

  And the, and the Sportback Sportback.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Maybe they should let their apprentices like do something a little more valuable.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand that. Uh, this is cool as hell, and so obviously, of course, we're not gonna get it.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  But they wanted to tell us about it.

• 25:30Doug DeMuro?

  They wanted to tell us about it. They wanted to say, we could do this, but instead we're gonna do more sloping roof EVs.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  I will say, the RS3 is cool, and it is still a five cylinder. That's awesome.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  RS3 is cool. This, I mean, imagine if they built this.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  It's so neat.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Which is a really thing like it.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  I think people would buy it.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  It would be EV, like all the renos that are cool.

• 25:49Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's a turbo five. It's commemorating 50 years of the five, so they just said.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  They already.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  I mean, if it were to exist.

• 25:56Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the problem is really? It's regulations.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:59Doug DeMuro?

  They would send this for sale tomorrow if they didn't have to get it crash tested and all that. And that Trump fellow, the, the guy who's in the White House there.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  That guy.

• 26:06Doug DeMuro?

  He said that he wants K cars. Let's show him this. Let's get one of his people, that Stephen Miller fellow, the weird looking bald guy. Let's get him.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  You mean the Stephen Miller of the choice?

• 26:16Doug DeMuro?

  What is he not, is he not that? That's him. Let's get him to be interested in this.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  I, we should.

• 26:21Doug DeMuro?

  And then he takes this to the Trump guy and the Trump guy's like, I want these. What would Trump say if he saw this?

• 26:26Speaker 04

  I like that car. I like the little X. It's got little X's for I. It is really cool.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Well, he's from, Stephen Miller is from LA area. He probably grew up in the car scene.

• 26:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, he grew up in the car scene. He was probably, he was probably Fast and the Furious, dude. He probably was the, the kid who had the Jetta. That's probably based on Stephen Miller. Danger to manifold. When he drove off at Race Wars because he didn't want to give up his car, he probably went to Washington. Uh, okay. Fall to our next news story, please. Oh, here's a man in front of an SLS.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Yes, so it's 2012. Uh, no, yes, this, this gentleman is the head designer for Mercedes, AMG. And he is stepping, or the chief designer, he's stepping down and he's being replaced. Now, he actually gave us quite a few great notable, he gave us the SLR. He gave us the AMG, the, uh, SLS AMG, he gave us the AMG GT.

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  He's been working there that long?

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Yes, but he gave us some questionable designs. He gave us the EQE and the EQS, which you like and, but the market doesn't.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  I'm looking at this guy's Wiki and he did the W221. And so as far as I'm concerned, he is an absolute master's genius. He's the only great automotive designer who's not Italian in the history of cars.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  That's an interesting point because yes, what, all automotive designers should be Italian.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  We did the R-Class.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Well, that's a good car.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  Well, he can't win them all.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  No, he did.

• 27:47Doug DeMuro?

  He did win them all.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  So I just, I don't know. This means that there'll be a departure for like the vision of Mercedes design going forward. Uh, but you know, they said they wanted to be the, what is it, the bad boy or whatever?

• 27:56Speaker 03

  No, that, that was him.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  That was him. Well, maybe that, maybe that, maybe that's why they fired him. That's a bit too much.

• 28:01Doug DeMuro?

  Although fired, they didn't say he was fired. He's only 57. My hope is that this man goes and works at a company that's bringing V8s to the people.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  He, um, was fired.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  It's pretty clear. Uh, but yeah, but Bastian Baudy, the head of AMG Design will become the head of Mercedes.

• 28:18Doug DeMuro?

  The head of AMG Design's coming right up. Great.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  So you were right. They were, they did want to be the bad boy. You're right. You're right.

• 28:22Doug DeMuro?

  It says he steps down. It doesn't say he was fired. I, I, I believe everything that large corporations tell me. And I think that the Mazda 6 diesel is still only a couple of months away.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  So neat. I love it.

• 28:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, he is stepping down effective now. Yeah, effective immediately.

• 28:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, speaking of people who are out, go to the next news story. We have, uh, Jerry McGovern, Land Rover's guy, we reported Jaguar Land Rover head of design, we reported he was being fired last week. Uh, this week, he's not fired anymore. Not fired anymore.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  It's one of the wilds.

• 28:55Doug DeMuro?

  They discovered what severance they would have to give him contractually and they were like, oh, wait a minute. You're, you're back. Come on, Ben.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Their statement, which came about a week or two weeks after the actual news broke, was it is untrue that we have terminated Jerry Maguire's employment and do not intend, sorry, McGovern's employment, and do not intend to further comment on speculative stories. How do you think that caught off? I'm sorry. Well, what happened is they realized that they did something very wrong from an HR perspective and would be sued.

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Something weird happened. So, so it was reported and we reported, including two weeks ago, two podcasts ago, that, that he was going to get fired. Uh, they didn't, when asked by other automotive press at the time, they had no comment.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 29:35Doug DeMuro?

  Now, if you're not firing the dude, your comment is, what are you talking about? We're not firing the dude.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 29:42Doug DeMuro?

  Then they came out two weeks later, oh, we're not firing the dude. We decided.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  They wouldn't confirm if he still worked there.

• 29:48Doug DeMuro?

  JLR is in turmoil right now. Between the Jaguar shakeup and the hack and whatever's going on here, this is a situation.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  It's a tough year.

• 29:57Doug DeMuro?

  This is a situation. And I, I'm sitting here, all I want is a new Velar, like a new redesigned Velar. All I want. And they're, they're, they're out here doing all this corporate drama. Come on, folks. We need a Discovery Sport. We need a, we need a Discovery Sport. You know?

• 30:13Speaker 03

  A good one, though.

• 30:14Doug DeMuro?

  A good one, which has never, it hadn't happened yet.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Oh, has it? I'm good. But he, um, may or may not still be employed and may or may not have been fired. Uh, all we know for sure is that he definitely was fired and now there's legal action. That's all we know for sure.

• 30:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think that it's all, I think that, again, I believe the word of multinational conglomerates. Well, they told me to stop driving the Carrera GT. By God, I didn't drive that car. I certainly didn't put 4,000 miles on it between when they told me to stop driving it and when they told me I could drive it again.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Oh, that would be reckless.

• 30:43Doug DeMuro?

  That would be reckless for God's sake. Jerry McGovern, nice to have you back. It was a tough two-week hiatus, but we're so glad you're back because we love all of your designs. Except for all the Jaguars. Did you think he did the I-Pace? Because if so.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  Not a fan of the I-Pace, but the XC looks good.

• 30:59Doug DeMuro?

  You agree that if he did the I-Pace, they should have just fired him then and saved themselves the trouble?

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• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, okay. Although, they're doing the... Oh my god, what's happening there? Our next news story is people hanging out of an Elantra. Yeah. The Kia boys, appears.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  The Kia boys.

• 32:42Doug DeMuro?

  Pennsylvania.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Hyundai and Kia have reached a settlement, so for all of COVID, turns out, base model especially, Kia and Hyundai, very easy to steal because they didn't have immobilizers. And they went out on TikTok like how you would steal it, and it turns out that literally any child can. They have reached a settlement that will include Hyundai and Kia offering to add an immobilizer and they kind of change the initiatives for any model that is impacted. Unfortunately, all of those cars have been stolen 10 to 20 times by now.

• 33:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  And they don't exist anymore.

• 33:13Doug DeMuro?

  The thing about class actions is that, you know, you just get into these situations where the people don't actually get the money that they deserve. Supposedly, they're going to fix the cars, whatever, but like... This is, this was really improper behavior from a corporation, to be honest. This was clear that it was going on. This is an obvious thing. Immediately, it was discovered. The cars started getting stolen. Everybody's Hyundai and Kia's got stolen. They couldn't get insurance for them anymore. Hyundai Kia dealers were sketch about, oh, we'll just replace it and fix it. And it fixes, go right back into the world. This turned off a generation of people from buying these cars. An enormous number of people who bought Hyundai's and Kia's did so because they are easy cars to get to work. And they walk outside and their car's gone because it turns out you can steal it with a spoon, like a Honda from 1991.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Yep, I will say there's also...

• 33:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's because of USB drive, I think, yeah. Whatever, it didn't matter.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, only for the base models that didn't have an immobilizer, somehow. I will say, part of the settlement, all future Hyundai Kias must have an immobilizer, which I thought that was true of all cars, pretty much. Turns out, and also, they might have to pay up to $4.5 million of restitution to people whose cars were sold.

• 34:18Doug DeMuro?

  $4.5 million is nothing. Nothing. Nothing. They said they sold 9 million cars nationwide.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Most of those were not in.

• 34:26Doug DeMuro?

  No, 9 million eligible vehicles were sold between 2011 and 22. They were still selling these cars going into, I mean, come on, this started being reported in 1819. And they still sold for years later after. Yeah, everybody gets nothing, basically. And they pay some fine and whatever. What's going to actually come out of this is, again, a generation of people's going to say, I will never buy another Hyundai and Kia.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  My sister, who has never owned a Hyundai or Kia, has said that she would not, she would now not buy a Hyundai or Kia as a result.

• 34:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  But I'm like, she's not into cars. This is like, came out of the blue, which is unusual.

• 35:01Doug DeMuro?

  I've definitely had people tell me that, and I have definitely recommended these cars to people who then had problems and...

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Have they held you liable?

• 35:09Doug DeMuro?

  No, but it makes you, it just reminds you at the end of the day, why you recommend Toyotas and Hondas to people. You try, you desperately try. You tell your parents to get a Lincoln MKC.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:21Doug DeMuro?

  And they do.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  And then they do get run over because they pressed the wrong button.

• 35:23Doug DeMuro?

  And then they accidentally leave it on in the garage and the battery dies because they don't understand all that. And if they just had a RAV4, that wouldn't have happened.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Honda stopped getting stolen in 1998. Everybody knows that.

• 35:37Doug DeMuro?

  Hondas.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  Hondas, yep.

• 35:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah. 97. The 97 Accord was the last Accord that got stolen. Now, if you see a 97 Accord on the road, you can steal it. I think that's, I think it's just settled law that you could just.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  It's factual. It's a good Accord.

• 35:50Doug DeMuro?

  It was a good Accord.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  It was a really good Accord.

• 35:52Doug DeMuro?

  It was a good Accord, although I personally prefer the 86 to 89s.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  98 to 02 also pretty solid.

• 35:57Doug DeMuro?

  No. 03, the best Accord, the best Accord was the 03 to 07.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Not gonna agree on this.

• 36:03Doug DeMuro?

  That Accord changed the world.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  We're not gonna agree on this?

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  That was peak Accord. 03 to 07.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Move on.

• 36:10Doug DeMuro?

  They did that hype.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  We're gonna fight.

• 36:11Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, today it's time for the Talk Cars segment. Shaun is looking at me, you better say what I wrote. The Talk Cars segment is sponsored by the Peterson Museum and specifically the Peterson Auctions. Folks, if you're into cars, the Peterson Museum is auctioning some really cool experiences on Cars and Bids right now. These will make great Christmas gifts. You can buy them. There are several different cool car experiences that you can bid on and buy from the Peterson Museum. Check it out, carsandbids.com. You could go to the, they'll be on the main page, but you can also go to the Peterson Museum's username. You'll see them there, "Experiences," and you can buy it for your car-obsessed

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:51Doug DeMuro?

  friend or foe.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  At the moment, there's a Formula One experience at the United States Grand Prix.

• 36:55Doug DeMuro?

  Which is, which is in Texas.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  I don't know if you've gotten me anything for Christmas.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  Saying? This would be kind of nice.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  It's already four grand.

• 37:02Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's true.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  There's also.

• 37:04Doug DeMuro?

  It'll go much higher. The last one did.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  There's also a guided tour of Jay Leno and Tim Allen's collections.

• 37:09Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  And you could also be taken for a ride by Bruce Canepa in a Porsche 935 Laguna Seca.

• 37:15Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's legit. 935 is a legit car. Laguna Seca is legit.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  And Bruce Canepa is a legitimate human. So, also the Peterson, great, great place. If you're in LA.

• 37:23Doug DeMuro?

  Peterson's a great place. We love the Peterson. They are sponsoring the Talk Car segment. Not sponsoring the Talk Car segment is Filippo's Bicycle Shirt. No, it's the Peterson Experiences. The Peterson Experiences. Okay, I have nothing in the Talk Car segment today, but you.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Yes, I've bought a car. More to come. It's not here yet. I've paid for it. It is on my insurance.

• 37:45Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  It has yet to, it is getting picked up from the seller in the next, it's a shipper, so who knows? Next few hours.

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  Or days.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Next few hours.

• 37:54Doug DeMuro?

  Next few hours.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  And it will be here at some point later.

• 38:00Doug DeMuro?

  Um, you're not gonna say what it is?

• 38:01Speaker 03

  No, I'm not keeping a secret.

• 38:02Doug DeMuro?

  Can we guess?

• 38:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 38:04Doug DeMuro?

  Accurate.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  TLX. You actively know and you actively know, so no.

• 38:07Doug DeMuro?

  Lincoln LS 3 liter with a manual.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  I will say, I've not shown either of you any photos of this vehicle.

• 38:12Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda MX6 V6. No, Mazda MX3 with a small V6.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Oh, I do like that small V6.

• 38:18Doug DeMuro?

  I have, well, Filippo.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  1.8. Really? Yes. There's a 1.8 as well. There wasn't a 2.6 V6, yes there was.

• 38:23Doug DeMuro?

  Now, to be honest, paid for this car.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  I paid for this car.

• 38:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's not here.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  It's not here yet.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  I believe it when it's here.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  I agree with that.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  To be honest.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  I agree with that.

• 38:33Doug DeMuro?

  I want, once it's here, then we will celebrate, and I am very happy that you succumb to the peer pressure of the internet and us.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  We have a good one, lad.

• 38:40Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a 4 liter Jeep? Is it a 4 liter Jeep? Just tell us that. I think the audience deserves to know.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  No, this is a true bona fide sports car that is well outside of the realm of anything I would previously have bought. And is close to 2 and 1/2, 3 times the most I've ever spent for my cars. It is more than I've spent for all my cars combined.

• 38:59Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a?

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Ruffin.

• 39:01Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a Lincoln Mark 8?

• 39:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:04Doug DeMuro?

  You would consider that a bona fide sports car, though. Don't you agree?

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Yes. No, this is real. I'm excited to share more about it once it's here.

• 39:11Doug DeMuro?

  But you're, now, this is really a tease because next week's podcast, we are, we are doing questions because we're not gonna film it for Christmas. So, you're not actually going to announce the car that you've bought until Friday, January 2. Or even, are you gonna do that? You won't even be on the pod that week.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  I won't be on the.

• 39:26Doug DeMuro?

  We're not gonna know about the car till January 9? We have to tell the audience what the car is.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  It's a secret.

• 39:33Doug DeMuro?

  Is it a Ford Contour SVT?

• 39:37Speaker 03

  I'm not that cool.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  That would be cool.

• 39:38Doug DeMuro?

  All right, Filippo, you're, folks, Filippo bought a car. You'll never know what it is.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  You'll find out. I wanna, I wanna, you all to have the full experience.

• 39:46Doug DeMuro?

  You'll never know what it is.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  The full experience.

• 39:49Doug DeMuro?

  The full experience includes Filippo not telling us for a while.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  If you want to know what it's like to be friends with Filippo, that's what it's like.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  I'm very excited about it, and I'm excited to do a video with it when.

• 40:00Speaker 04

  Well, I'm excited for you, Filippo, if it shows up.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  It will show up.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  If it shows up.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  Better show up. No, it'll be show up. By the way, it's been a great experience.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  Volvo 440.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  Podcast, too.

• 40:10Doug DeMuro?

  Volvo 440.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 40:12Doug DeMuro?

  Pull a picture of Volvo 440 and zoom in on it.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  It's a Porsche.

• 40:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, you're a Porsche guy!

• 40:18Speaker 03

  And it's not a Macan Turbo.

• 40:19Doug DeMuro?

  You're a Porsche guy, just like the rest of us idiots.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  All roads lead to Porsche.

• 40:23Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up, pull up, yeah, that, this one, this one, this one, and zoom in on it, because I think we might be able to actually talk him into getting one of these, too.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  I do love a good 440.

• 40:31Doug DeMuro?

  I've never laid eyes on one.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Never seen one, no.

• 40:33Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, you must have, as a young child.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  I've seen one as a young, saw one as a young child.

• 40:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, that's Filippo's big news. The other big news is Filippo's also been handed a car. What's the story with that?

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, all right, so I mentioned last week that I, we, my wife and I have inherited a old Ford pickup.

• 40:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  I was thankfully wrong, and it's, I went out to see it this past weekend. I was in Arizona. It's a 1972.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  Seventy-two, pre-smogging. You got so lucky.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  So lucky. There's a ton of new parts in it. My late father-in-law was a mechanic. He did a ton of work.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  Does it run?

• 41:02Speaker 03

  It apparently ran a few months.

• 41:03Doug DeMuro?

  You were there.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  Attempt to start it.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  To start it. I don't think, it looks, I wasn't there for that long, but it looks like I might need to install a starter, and the timing needs to be set. But that's all doable, especially on a truck like that. That's not a hard task, truly.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  You definitely shouldn't start it. The timing's not set.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Agree. That's why I chose not to.

• 41:23Doug DeMuro?

  Why do you think, what about it makes you think the timing is?

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Well, there's a timing light. Like which is what you would have used as like what mechanics use. Inside the car, my brother-in-law who helped my late father-in-law work on it, let me know that they hadn't gotten to that yet.

• 41:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  But they it ran, it's like not, I think it's not that far off because it ran.

• 41:42Doug DeMuro?

  You're not setting the timing in it.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  No, no, I will have to get it to San Diego somehow and then bring it to a shop that will, that knows how to work on old Ford trucks. The upside is that it's, that's not hard.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Did you say sport trucks?

• 41:53Speaker 03

  Ford trucks.

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  But in a way.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  In a way.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then we'll drive it around town.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  So you're gonna have a Porsche of some variety and an old Ford pickup.

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Ford F two fifty Ranger.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta get blue plates, dude.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  You have to. Oh, you have to.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Hmm, I don't think I can order those from DMV.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  We'll figure it out.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  We'll throw this away.

• 42:11Doug DeMuro?

  Um, your other update is about the GTI. I don't think the public wants to.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Keep going. So I bought this car.

• 42:18Doug DeMuro?

  You bought this Porsche?

• 42:19Speaker 03

  Car and I have this Ford F two fifty now.

• 42:22Doug DeMuro?

  We're all Porsche people. You gotta hold the mantle. No more Porsches.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  No problem.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  As a group, we can't accept any anymore. I'm gonna sell the Fiat. We did a little series, Doug and I did, and Nick, out on a drag strip and on around a track that included my Fiat. I'm gonna sell it when that video goes out. I'm also gonna sell the GTI.

• 42:42Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo selling his GTI.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  It's gonna be on Carson Bets at the end of January.

• 42:45Doug DeMuro?

  But it's such a good car.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing. We drove it legitimately fifteen hundred miles in the last five days. It's so good.

• 42:52Doug DeMuro?

  GTIs are good.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  It's just such a, everybody hated the Mark Eight and they were wrong. I truly, truly think that they were actively wrong. It's an incredibly good daily driver. It's incredibly comfortable for five hundred miles at a time. It's fun to drive. It's more powerful than you expect. The interior is comfortable. Are there things that got worse compared to the Mark Seven? Sure, the interior is a little bit less nice, but it's such a good car.

• 43:15Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna be clear.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  It's such a good car.

• 43:16Doug DeMuro?

  When, when the GTI hate, Mark Eight was going on, was first revealed, if you go back and watch my video, I did not hate it.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  No, I know.

• 43:22Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone else was like, this is the worst thing ever. The, the buttons aren't backlit, so it's an awful car.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  They were actively wrong.

• 43:31Doug DeMuro?

  Admittedly, the tech isn't the best, but it's fine. It's okay. Also, base trim has a volume knob.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Even still. Like it is, I don't know why. It is such a good car.

• 43:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Truly.

• 43:42Doug DeMuro?

  But that's the thing about GTIs. They're all good, all around cars. That's what they're, that's what they're great at. That's why it's kind of hard to get away from those in golf cars.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  If it weren't my most valuable car till the Porsche, uh, I would keep it maybe.

• 43:51Doug DeMuro?

  Can't believe you bought a Porsche. The audience is going to collectively world arise and so am I.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  By the way, bought it January 13th, 2025. It's when the auction ended.

• 43:59Doug DeMuro?

  Selling it January 13th and 26th.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  How many miles? Uh, 12,009. All right. I am currently at 32,007.

• 44:06Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. 20,000 miles on this car in a year.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a good car.

• 44:10Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, well, I'm, I'm glad you liked it. Uh, I also like it. I think it's great. You're gonna, you're gonna end up absolutely under no circumstances do I want it.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  So good.

• 44:17Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna end up replacing your station wagon too.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Station wagon can stick around for a bit. We, we can't change every single car.

• 44:24Doug DeMuro?

  My personal belief though, is you're gonna decide the station wagon isn't as, why don't you sell the station wagon, keep the GTI in this Porsche?

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Okay. I think about this a lot.

• 44:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  This station wagon, which now has 121,000 miles.

• 44:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  60,000ish, 55,000 since we bought it. Uh, has also been in two minor accidents.

• 44:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Uh, has some additional issues that are not like problematic, but are, it's a 11 year old car with 120,000 miles.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  The market doesn't think it's worth that much. The GTI still has value. And also the GTI is not quite big enough for our life.

• 44:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  So the wagon sticks for now.

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think you should, I think you should get an E400. Type in E400 wagon. Uh, by the way, I think everyone watching should get an E400 wagon. If you're watching the pod right now, that one, that one specifically, because I love these wheels. If I could have these wheels on my car.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Choice.

• 45:11Doug DeMuro?

  They are the best wheels because they're the most subtle.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Literally plastic?

• 45:14Doug DeMuro?

  They're the most subtle wheels. They, they, they're just say, I am rich and I do not care about you.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Are they plastic?

• 45:19Doug DeMuro?

  They are the best wheels. Go back to the, to the main page, back to the other one. You would go over these wheels and be like, look at my sport wheels. No. No, you're missing the point of the car.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  I think there is a chance the wagon leaves in the next year. And for one of these? No. Filippo, how would you not get one of these? This is honestly the greatest Mercedes-Benz ever manufactured. My wife loves the GTI. She feels ambivalent about the wagon. But the wagon, we agree, makes the most sense for our life. If she had this car, she would not feel ambivalent. She would feel even more ambivalent. No, no one is ambivalent about this car. No one. Yeah. Everyone who has one of these is obsessed with it. You know what I think she would like? A Range Rover Diesel. L45. Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no.

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• 48:04Speaker 04

  So my SL65 is currently in the shop getting some stuff done. It's its first visit to the spa. So I'm getting a bunch of stuff done. I'll do a video on it. It'll be on my YouTube channel. But it's its first service, which makes me nervous. Anytime you take a Mercedes, like any aging German vehicle. When it goes in for service is always like, please, please, please, please. But nonetheless, I'm happy to get, you know, done whatever needs to be done. And then it'll come back and I'll be driving it again. But so far, the car has been great.

• 48:32Doug DeMuro?

  You're doing drive belts.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  There are a couple, yeah, a couple of known things I have with the car. So one is the the drive belts, the serpent time belt was pretty cracked. It was very old. When you do that, I'm also going to do the pulleys because the bearings were out over time. I don't have any record of it having been done in the past. And I have most of the records, so doing that. And then it's got the windshield washer reservoir I know is leaking. And so I'm replacing that. So a couple of things like that. So we'll certainly see.

• 49:01Doug DeMuro?

  You're replacing the reservoir?

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, it turned out it was one of the tubes. This is very common with the R230 chassis.

• 49:07Doug DeMuro?

  Mine also leaked. I'm not joking.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I suspect they changed the design all that much.

• 49:13Doug DeMuro?

  Put a little tape.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Well, I'm doing it as per the usual. I'm doing it properly.

• 49:18Doug DeMuro?

  For the record.

• 49:18Speaker 04

  So I don't, we'll see what it, how much it'll be when it comes back. I also learned, we're going to do like an alignment. I'm going to have the wheel bearings are adjustable on the R230, which I don't know what that means or how that works. But those are being adjusted and realigned.

• 49:32Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so a little work on that.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  Little work on that, so.

• 49:35Doug DeMuro?

  But otherwise, you are thinking about getting rid of it for a Viper. You know, I was saying.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  You, yes, you were not elegant about how you said that. That I was going to get rid of the SL. I have to say. Yeah, I drove it a lot the other week and I really enjoyed it. The engine is a masterpiece. But I just can't stop staring at the, I'm staring at it now. We have a Viper, the McDonald's Viper in the office and I just can't stop thinking. I did dream I bought one.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  The other night and so I'm like, hmm.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  As much as, look at that smug face.

• 50:16Doug DeMuro?

  You claimed a few weeks ago that you would have the SL till car week.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  No chance.

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  And then subsequently. Did I say, no, I said Valentine's Day, right?

• 50:24Speaker 04

  Valentine's.

• 50:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I don't know if things lasted that long. See ya SL.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  I don't know. It is a great car, but like the Viper is just so cool. So I don't know.

• 50:32Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta keep it for about. You know, there were people before you bought the SL, some people. Yep. Who said you should have gotten a Viper.

• 50:38Speaker 04

  Well, there were none on the market.

• 50:39Doug DeMuro?

  There were not available. Pull up the Vipers.

• 50:41Speaker 04

  Remember the context.

• 50:42Doug DeMuro?

  Type in Viper, type in Viper RT slash 10. There were none? What about this one?

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Well.

• 50:47Doug DeMuro?

  What about this one?

• 50:48Speaker 04

  That wasn't around at the time. I bought it in October and then.

• 50:51Doug DeMuro?

  But what about the one before that was in October? That was November 3, dude. Yeah, we'd listed in October. You're welcome.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Well, no, I'd already gotten the car by then.

• 50:59Doug DeMuro?

  How about that? It was October 28. I got a bunch of these. Let's keep scrolling.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  This one maybe I should have, but it had a reserve on it, so I couldn't.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Look, my point is. Be flexible. My point is, go down. My point is there were people, and by the way, there's, there's that other website. Autotrader.com.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Cars.com.

• 51:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's where we found cars. I'm telling, what I'm telling you is you could have had an RT 10 and you should have. And now you regret it and you.

• 51:23Speaker 04

  Well, it popped up. It was like, there were just, I, I, so I'm, I think I've also decided I want a Gen 1.5 or Gen 2.

• 51:30Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Gen 1s just don't, like, driving around in that car, that car is supposed to be quite a bit better than the Gen 1 and I, it, it's crude at best.

• 51:41Doug DeMuro?

  So what are you saying? That is a 1.5?

• 51:43Speaker 04

  That's a 1.5. So I'm saying a 1.5 or a 2. The 1.5 is interesting because they only made it in 96 and they're only the special color ones, that, the white one, and I think it's over, but I can't remember. So a Gen 1.5 would be amazing. I'd like that one. Honestly, that one would be pretty great.

• 51:56Doug DeMuro?

  But you're saying it's, I don't understand. You're saying that you.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  I'm saying a one, if that is as crude as I think is, a 1 must be even more like.

• 52:03Doug DeMuro?

  They're not.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Less adjustable.

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  They're not that different.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  I don't know. It's a big, it's jumping power though. I think it goes up to 400 and.

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  How about a 90, 197 blue white?

• 52:12Speaker 04

  Those are a hundred grand. Those are eighty to a hundred.

• 52:15Doug DeMuro?

  You spend real money to get a real car. Carroll Shelby, dude.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  Carroll Shelby.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I don't want to spend quite that much. I, I still, and I also, I want a convertible. As much as I like the GTS, um, but I think.

• 52:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you go and get an open roof.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, so not a convertible, a barketa.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  Fourth gen.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  But I don't, I just, I can't stop thinking about the Viper. Like, I just think I want to scratch that itch.

• 52:36Doug DeMuro?

  Uh.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  As great as the SL is, it is a great car.

• 52:38Doug DeMuro?

  So you agree, spring, it's gone. Is it even gonna last till spring? Wow.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you're looking for a white SL that's just had the serp belt replaced and the washer fluid reservoir, this is the car. Kenon will sell it to you and he wants a Viper.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  We'll see.

• 52:54Doug DeMuro?

  We ain't seeing nothing.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  When's that Viper go live? February?

• 52:57Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you something. In the future, can you guys just listen to?

• 53:01Speaker 04

  I wanted one, there wasn't one around, and, and Nick brought it to me and it was, it was the, it was the right car. It was cool and I really wanted it.

• 53:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm catching you straight here. You've bought a car, you've bought a car that you should have bought two years ago, that I told you you should have bought two years ago, and you're now salivating at the idea of a car that you should have bought a year ago, that I told you you should have bought a year ago. And I didn't say either of you should buy a GTI or an SL 16.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  Actually, we all were at one breakfast when he brought it up. That street was raining, you remember?

• 53:26Speaker 03

  No. Uh, yeah, I do remember. By the way, even if I had looked two years ago, I don't think I could have found the car.

• 53:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's so interesting, both of you. Oh, they, they didn't exist.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Well, also.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  We only buy what's around at the time.

• 53:37Doug DeMuro?

  They weren't there. Oh, is, are you saying your car's only a year old? Your Porsche that you bought is there?

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm saying that there are none for sale at any given moment and it took the current owner a year to find it.

• 53:47Doug DeMuro?

  There's none for sale and it took the current owner a year to find it.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  It's a Carrera GT.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  There actually, I think, are more Carrera GTs for sale right now.

• 53:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nine five nine.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  No, I think about a sand yellow kind turbo.

• 53:56Doug DeMuro?

  You bought a puppy.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  That was the one you gotta wait for.

• 53:58Doug DeMuro?

  So you're buying a Viper, you're selling your SL.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  I'm not selling it yet.

• 54:02Doug DeMuro?

  Can I, can I, can I, can I just suggest something? And I'm dead serious about this. Next time you think about a car, just come to me and ask what you should get and I'll tell you and then you can save all the trouble.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  Last time I didn't ask anybody, including my wife, and we've all loved it. So I'm gonna just keep going with that strategy.

• 54:16Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's fair. Okay, we gotta move on to the market report, which is an interesting place to move. Look at him, he's looking at Vipers while we're moving on to the market report. The market, the market report this week actually has a sponsor. It's brought to you by Kenon's Regret.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  It runs deep.

• 54:29Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan's regret. When you buy something but should have bought what Doug said. Um, did you, did you not buy what I said just to be, just because you didn't want to give into that?

• 54:38Speaker 04

  It was around.

• 54:40Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't around. We just pulled up.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  No Vipers around.

• 54:43Doug DeMuro?

  Not a single Viper was available in the whole of the winter and fall and spring and summer.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Looking for first gens and they weren't popping up.

• 54:50Doug DeMuro?

  They didn't exist. The Viper, there was a hiatus. What happened was there was a hiatus in Vipers. They took a little break.

• 54:57Speaker 04

  Nope. The owners went, I know what I have and they kept them. That's what happened.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  The market report is brought to you by Kenan's regret. Uh, speaking of regrets, can we talk about the ID Buzz? We had an ID Buzz on the site the other day. By the way, I love the ID Buzz. I think it's the coolest car on sale. We had a first edition on the site the other day. Scroll down. How many miles were on this vehicle?

• 55:14Speaker 04

  Uh, 1800.

• 55:16Doug DeMuro?

  Basically a new car. Uh, where is it? Was that Wisconsin?

• 55:19Speaker 03

  Uh, Indiana.

• 55:20Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it was bid to and did not sell for 42,000 United States dollars. The sticker on this was what, 80?

• 55:27Speaker 03

  65.

• 55:28Doug DeMuro?

  65 for a first edition?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Uh, 67, including destination. Yeah.

• 55:32Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yikes. Now, normally I'd look at this and say cars and bids. What a horrible company. They can't even get anywhere near sticker. I would say that, but I've been on AutoTrend.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. You've seen what sticker is.

• 55:46Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. There are dealers with brand new ones that have never been sold to anybody that are asking not much more than this.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 55:56Doug DeMuro?

  Needless to say, the ID Buzz hasn't really been the rip roaring success we were all hoping for. Maybe because the bid to price is where the sticker price should have been.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  And also they should have had the short version and um, maybe they should have had more than the 200 miles range it has.

• 56:10Doug DeMuro?

  At this point, is it just pride that they're not bringing the short version? The short version is obviously what would cure the ails of this car. But they made a product planning decision and Volkswagen over my lifetime has made the worst product planning decisions of any car company. And so you have, in, in some.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 56:26Doug DeMuro?

  And so here's another bad one. No Volkswagen, I mean dude, going B5 on the Passat, making it a luxury car instead of a Camry competitor. The Touareg, taking the Touareg and instead of going after the Highlander, trying to compete with the M-Class.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  The B5 Passat was exceptional.

• 56:44Doug DeMuro?

  It was, but it made no sense. Volkswagen wanted, wanted volume at the time in the US. And they couldn't understand why Americans weren't buying a car, a turbocharged Passat that was eight grand more than a Camry.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  But then they did it with NMS and failed.

• 56:56Doug DeMuro?

  Eventually, they were forced to do it.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  And they were 15 years too late.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  And they came out with the Atlas. Yeah, 20 years after they actually should have. They should have called me up back then, much like Kenan should have six months ago.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Atlas, still in first generation.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  Still staring at that paper, didn't hear a word you said.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  To be fair, we're talking about Passats, I mean, what's it gonna do?

• 57:13Speaker 04

  This makes me sad though, because I wanted this to be a success. Totally. I think it's so cool. And like, you see them around San Diego, which admittedly is not common, and this is the market for them. I think they're so cool.

• 57:23Doug DeMuro?

  One of the coolest new cars on sale, maybe the single coolest new car on sale, short of like million dollar stuff.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  It's so cool. Totally agree.

• 57:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, but the market just does not want it at the $68,000 price point that it's at. And this no sale at 43 seems a little low to me, but I suspect it's a little low because people are looking at this saying, I could go buy a new one at a dealer.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  For 45 or whatever.

• 57:43Doug DeMuro?

  For 45.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Right. Would you buy one?

• 57:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  You have a couple of kids.

• 57:46Doug DeMuro?

  I would. I even asked my wife the other day, would you be interested in one? And she was like, I would drive it.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  You know who should get it? It's Nick. Crazy Nick should get one.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  You should get one.

• 57:55Doug DeMuro?

  I would, I would seriously consider it. I think they're coolest.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Let's go, let's go together. We'll, we'll go to the Volkswagen dealership.

• 58:01Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not interested in a new one. I think if I were to do it.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Let me tell you, it doesn't matter.

• 58:06Doug DeMuro?

  I think if I were to do it, it's like a year, 18 months from now, when they're probably like 37. But I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not opposed. My wife is like the number one candidate for an electric car. She's ever driven more than seven miles in her life. And, uh, and these are, they're cool and they got a lot of space and.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  I think it'd be an exceptional choice.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 58:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So, I don't know.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  I don't know, it makes me sad.

• 58:31Doug DeMuro?

  For 43, it's pretty cool.

• 58:32Speaker 03

  It's getting appealing, real appealing.

• 58:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  But it also makes me wonder then, will Volkswagen ever take a risk like this ever again?

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Well, I think it's doing okay in Europe. When I go, when I was in Europe, ID buzzes and ID4s are everywhere.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  Sure, but I mean for this market, sorry.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  For this market. Well, I don't, I, no.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  That's what I'm worried.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Didn't we just refreshed Volkswagen Taluses and Aluses, where the only thing that changes is a new light bar forever and perpetuity, forever.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  The Atlas is just. When if I know someone's not into cars, they drive it on Atlas.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 59:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, like if you just know someone's like, I don't know what the car I bought a Volkswagen. I don't know what it is, something.

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Plus, we can say whatever we want, because no Atlas.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  No Atlas owner is currently listening to this podcast.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Early Atlas owners.

• 59:15Doug DeMuro?

  You think they're early, like modding them, they're like dropping them?

• 59:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  Truly. Wait, wait, we auctioned one that was like that.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 59:23Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 59:24Doug DeMuro?

  Did we?

• 59:25Speaker 03

  We, oh damn.

• 59:27Doug DeMuro?

  Ninety six hundred bucks, that's how the used market appreciates the Atlas. This is the only good Atlas ever made.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  It looks like a Sequoia.

• 59:36Doug DeMuro?

  It does.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  I don't hate that list. Also Volkswagen fans, we appreciate you.

• 59:40Doug DeMuro?

  All right, let's talk about, let's talk about green manual Cayenne again, very briefly, because I don't want to do a whole.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  There was a separate green manual Cayenne.

• 59:49Doug DeMuro?

  To have a three, we had a third one sold for forty.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  The right number, by the way.

• 59:52Doug DeMuro?

  I don't view this as them coming down.

• 59:54Speaker 03

  I view them as this one's worth less because the spec was a little worse and the margin was a little higher.

• 59:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but also the market's seen him now, people aren't going to go as crazy. Forty is still a ton of money for a twelve year old.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  What is a fifteen thousand dollar car like?

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  If it was an auto, it's.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  Oh, definitely.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Nine thousand dollar car.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 1:00:10Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it's still a huge premium to pay, and I think it's cool. I think I think it's a neat car.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  I remember in like, we, Ken and I have both been working here for quite a while. I remember in like twenty twenty one, we sold a couple of manual Cayennes. And there was one that was Auburn metallic that sold for twenty six thousand seven fifty.

• 1:00:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's down there.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  And that felt, if you filter for manual.

• 1:00:32Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I know.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  I remember that car. So much money.

• 1:00:35Doug DeMuro?

  That was such a good buy, too. It looked so good, it was this one, right?

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Oh, I was thinking of that one, but that one too, that one sold for thirty, which was the first one to crack that.

• 1:00:43Doug DeMuro?

  Should have bought that.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  How many miles?

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's silver the wheels.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Eighty nine thousand.

• 1:00:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  I guess that's not that far off market. No, but like, that felt so high. And now that we had this like second peak of the nicest, most interesting ones selling for a hundred twenty five thousand dollars.

• 1:00:57Doug DeMuro?

  You know, for twenty five, I've knocked, that's a first trend, that's a. I've knocked the Cayenne stick because it's not that fun to drive, but like for twenty five, I don't know, it's a cool Porsche. And it's like, the E, the E two, which is what we called the Cayenne. I worked there. It's technically called the 92A, although Porsche Louis have named it the 958 themselves. The 92A Cayenne, which came out in 11, has proven itself to me in my mind. Like that's been around for 14. It's been around for a long time. They've redesigned it, but it has only gotten uglier. And I still like the 11s the best, the 11 to 13, 14 is the best. And they've turned out to be pretty reliable. Every spec has. Nice cars to drive.

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• 1:02:37Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what about a Prowler? No.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Can we talk about the Prowlers?

• 1:02:41Doug DeMuro?

  You have the Prowler on your.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  I would like to talk about the Prowlers.

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  Prowlers are not appreciated by the market.

• 1:02:48Doug DeMuro?

  The market, you guys are all wrong. It's the market who is wrong.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  Like, my theory is that although we all think that they should be worth something, they will never be worth anything.

• 1:03:02Doug DeMuro?

  Go back, go back to, go to this one. Go to that red one. How is that a $22,000 car?

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  It's a Chrysler product with a mediocre V6 and an automatic.

• 1:03:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but how is that a 22? Look at this. This is a concept car.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, you do that, you do the V8 conversion. And like, rock, rock.

• 1:03:24Doug DeMuro?

  This, I think the Prowler is the, absolutely the least amount of money you can spend to turn the most heads. It is the coolest thing in the world. I am a massive Prowler enthusiast. I think they are so, the fact that this existed in the era of regulations is crazy.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  I agree, but it seems like people are willing to spend about $25,000 for the best ones.

• 1:03:44Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe it's 25. Folks, people are always writing into us and saying, what's the best car I can get for 25? Prowler. What's, what if I have kids and I need Prowler? What, I'm looking under 40.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  You put it in the trailer.

• 1:03:54Doug DeMuro?

  Under 40 grand, here's, under 40 grand, I, and I'm in Canada and I'm choosing between an M3, Prowler.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  This, this segment by the way is sponsored by.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  Great consumer.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  This segment is sponsored by Yuri of The Straight Bikes.

• 1:04:07Doug DeMuro?

  He's got still his.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  I think he may have sold it. We like Yuri.

• 1:04:09Doug DeMuro?

  I just think it is the coolest damn car for this money. It is so, and don't take off the bumpers because part of what makes this car cool is the fact that somehow from a regulatory perspective, they got the government to agree that these bumpers were an acceptable alternative.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:04:22Doug DeMuro?

  To actual technology.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  With, with no bumpers also looks the same.

• 1:04:26Doug DeMuro?

  This car is so cool for $22,000. How is this a 22 car?

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  I remember when Yuri was selling his and maybe he has sold it, maybe he hasn't. He was like, I can't put it on an auction site because the market doesn't really support the value that I think it's worth.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  I did get that one.

• 1:04:44Doug DeMuro?

  Look at those seats. Go to the seats. Go to the interior. Look at these seats. You could be sitting in these, in these, in these comfortable thrones.

• 1:04:52Speaker 04

  Where the headrest is also the roll bar.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  Ignore auto stick. Ignore the fact that it's got auto stick. The world's worst transmission. This is a cool car. Filippo, you, you, why don't you get one of these instead of whatever Porsche you got?

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:05:04Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, Prowler.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I don't buy automatic cars, but yeah.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  You've got, dude, let's do a stick swap. Me and Ken will do a stick swap with a couple of cold ones.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  What would you swap it from?

• 1:05:14Doug DeMuro?

  What would I swap it from?

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  There are kits, there are kits to do this.

• 1:05:16Doug DeMuro?

  Hellcat. I put the whole Hellcat drivetrain in.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  That'd be good. It must exist, right?

• 1:05:20Doug DeMuro?

  They got stick Hellcats out there.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  I would eviscerate that.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  It does exist.

• 1:05:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we call it the Heller.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  If you have a.

• 1:05:29Doug DeMuro?

  The Prowler. Hey, Heller. Prowl. Sell it. Prowl Cat.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Prowl Cat.

• 1:05:32Doug DeMuro?

  Sell it here. Dude. Yuri, sell your. Folks, Prowler people, none of whom are watching because they're all boomers, right? Prowler people, I love you. I love your cars. I want to come to one of your Prowler rallies. The one, they happen in like Tulsa and they all come with their trailers. And I just want to be part of it. I'm not even, I'm not kidding. I know I'm sounding like an idiot as I often do, but I love this car for $22,000. Have you reviewed one? A long time ago, I want to review another one. Filippo, find me a Prowler to review. Eight years ago. Find me a new mail truck to review. Oh, I know. And find me a six cylinder new Challenger Charger, whatever it's called. By the way, I was corrected. The mail trucks are not built in Wisconsin. Oshkosh companies. They're built in South Carolina. But South Carolina. We discovered that. They're built by non-union labor. For God's sake.

• 1:06:17Doug DeMuro?

  I couldn't have said anything about that. Driven by union labor. God.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  I can't believe this car exists.

• 1:06:23Doug DeMuro?

  Nick did some political stuff on the pod. Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh, man. The Christmas pod that's coming up. Nick goes, Nick goes in both political directions. It's a seesaw. He starts by saying he wouldn't buy anything from Bezos and then he eventually goes off the other way. Anyway.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a ride. Enjoy.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. You'll see. I know his life. He buys things from Jeff Bezos. No, he says he doesn't buy anything.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Allegedly.

• 1:06:44Doug DeMuro?

  But the time for the questions. The questions are sponsored, the questions are sponsored by Filippo not telling us what car he's getting. Thank you. For three weeks. We hate it. You hate it.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  Welcome to our lives.

• 1:06:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Plymouth Prowler is the only greatness in our world. I can't tell people what it is until I see it in person. I haven't seen it in person. You know what? I think that's fair. I actually think that's fair. I know what car it is.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Now, some would say that maybe you shouldn't have mentioned, I don't know, it's here. But.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  What's the fun in that? I think he wanted people to get off his case. This is actually a pretty good limbo period for Filippo. He bought a car so they're not mad at him anymore, but they're not mad at him about what car he chose. No, no. Perfect. I spent some money. We're not in limbo.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  You could have just said nothing instead of like, what people were annoyed at was that you would just flip flop back and forth between cars.

• 1:07:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, but I think if he had said nothing, it's still Filippo hasn't bought a car. So now we know he's bought a car, so we're happy. And we don't know what it is yet, so we're not yet mad at him. Because inevitably, when people find out what the car is, they're going to be mad at him.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Who would be mad at me?

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  He shouldn't have said it was a Porsche, honestly, because people are going to be mad already. We already look like a Porsche podcast because I got two of these stupid cars. Well, I've looked like Jerry Seinfeld.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  I gave two options for the kinds of cars I would consider, and they were both Porsches. I think it was known.

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  By the way.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  This is one of them.

• 1:07:55Doug DeMuro?

  Seinfeld made an unbelievable point on Spike the other day. I don't, I, I love Spike dearly, dear, dear to my heart. I don't really listen to a lot of pods, except for if Whistlin had one, I would.

• 1:08:07Doug DeMuro?

  I bet his audience isn't really my full pod audience, though. Anyway.

• 1:08:11Speaker 04

  No, they don't listen, they don't read.

• 1:08:12Doug DeMuro?

  There's a horrible to say about our beloved Whistlin.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  I, I'm, I'm a member of that audience. I love his stuff.

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  There's a short going around where Seinfeld says, the problem with modern car design is that there is not any confidence anymore. And he could specifically call that BMW, cars from your era. They designed it in this subtle way that just exuded, like, we don't have to go and make cars shouty to prove that we're awesome because we have confidence. And in today's world, you know, the screens light up and red and blue and the giant wheels and the, the every, there's an M badge on every corner. There's not confidence. And I've been trying to say stuff like that for so long, and I've said variations of it, but never so, so succinctly and so correctly. It's a lack of confidence.

• 1:08:59Doug DeMuro?

  When you look back at car design that we loved so much, these automakers just, they felt that they didn't have to shout. And to, to an extent, there are still some like that. Audi is like that in my mind, it's kind of still. But BMW has so gone away from that, and that's exactly what it is. They're, it's like they're like shout, they're backed into a corner and shouting about how cool they have to be perceived as.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  Which is interesting because you'd think that the brand equity is so high as it is. Like, it's an aspirational brand and has been for a long time. So why do you feel the need to continue to shout about it? If anything, it should be even more subtle than my generation.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  It is an aspirational brand, and they don't have to be like that, but they are. And in part because they know that's kind of what people want, but like, there's an argument for like delivering, for like creating taste.

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  You know what it, yeah.

• 1:09:41Doug DeMuro?

  I thought it was a great point.

• 1:09:43Speaker 04

  It is, it is a great point. Things, well, but things do develop over time and do have to get louder. Like, for instance, your tagline, this, you watch that Prowler video back, it sounds like you're depressed.

• 1:09:53Doug DeMuro?

  I have, this is a I have no confidence. I'm willing to admit that, but BMW.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, a global manufacturer.

• 1:10:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  Fair enough point.

• 1:10:04Doug DeMuro?

  They're following trends, not driving, not like delivering what they think is.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  Well, but this is not, I mean, it's certainly not alone.

• 1:10:09Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:10:09Speaker 04

  No, I even think.

• 1:10:10Doug DeMuro?

  The argument could be applied to an enormous number of cars.

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  I even think Ferrari, like, I think this car is not particularly like shouting or anything like that. It's very subtle. It's like.

• 1:10:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. This is a car designed by a designer who has confidence in what the brand is and what the buyers will be.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  That was.

• 1:10:27Doug DeMuro?

  The buyer gets in the car, he knows what it is. He has confidence when he drives it. The right people will know what it is. He doesn't care. Now Ferrari, there's not that. They have to show. Everybody's got to be seen. Oh, I got to prove to people what I am.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  And that confidence is lost.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  But not at that time.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  Focus groups.

• 1:10:43Doug DeMuro?

  The smaller number of buyers who are willing to accept this. If they came out with this car today, you and me would go crazy, but a lot of their buyers would be like, nah. You know, it doesn't, it's not cool enough.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  The dirty children are suffering from that. It's more understated than every other Ferrari design. And I think people like it less.

• 1:10:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  I don't know. But it is also so expensive and impossible to get.

• 1:11:02Doug DeMuro?

  I can get one. You want to get one? I guarantee we can go to Ferrari Day, get one.

• 1:11:07Doug DeMuro?

  We can get one.

• 1:11:07Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:11:08Doug DeMuro?

  This ain't, this ain't Ferrari five years ago.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  I don't know. My uncle's still waiting on his order for a while. Well, yes, this is the.

• 1:11:13Doug DeMuro?

  We can get an order in.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes. Like, yeah, red tan, base.

• 1:11:17Doug DeMuro?

  It didn't used to be that one.

• 1:11:18Speaker 04

  I don't know. You guys, I don't know.

• 1:11:20Doug DeMuro?

  599, we couldn't have got an order in. 599, we would have walked in, they'd be like, sir, how about a, how about a Quattroporte? That's what you're ready for.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Pure speed.

• 1:11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Questions are sponsored by, uh, Kenan's Regret. Uh, first question from Toast 565, one of the great questions we've ever been asked. Completely unrealistic. Don't look at the questions. You.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Bro.

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  He cheats.

• 1:11:40Doug DeMuro?

  But why doesn't BMW buy out Ineos' automotive division? BMW gains a real G-Wagon competitor. They're already making the powertrains. Ineos gets to sell the same product, but now has a reputable brand backing it. And they probably get out of the financial situation, which I have a suspicion is not so strong.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  I have an answer for this because Ineos has sold cars to everybody who will buy one. And if BMW buys it, they're not going to sell any cars.

• 1:12:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I bet you that BMW took the Grenadier. BMW could spend real money and develop a baby Grenadier, a three-row Grenadier, a et cetera, et cetera. And probably make it a little. A little bit more tolerable for a larger audience, do like an evoke Grenadier that's like also capable, but a little more beautiful. And suddenly have an incredible off-roader today as opposed to.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  To be clear, I don't think it's a bad idea. I mean, it would kind of make sense, but they, this is the thing they. That seems logical, ergo BMW will not do it.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  I don't think it advances them in any meaningful way. They could recreate the Grenadier with a way that matches their design.

• 1:12:37Doug DeMuro?

  I totally disagree with that.

• 1:12:38Speaker 03

  I don't think the Grenadier is that impressive of an engineering feat.

• 1:12:41Doug DeMuro?

  Have you talked to rich guys who like to be perceived as adventurous? All of them want a Grenadier.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  No, no, I agree that it's a great direction. I don't think that BMW couldn't recreate that if they felt like going down that road.

• 1:12:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  I don't think it like advances it.

• 1:12:54Doug DeMuro?

  In a short time, Ineos has managed to convince all these rich guys that they need a Grenadier.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  You see him around Southern California.

• 1:12:59Doug DeMuro?

  You see him around and every rich guy that I know on Instagram, oh, I got a Grenadier. I'm like, all right, well, cool.

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  They like the pub.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  They like the B58?

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, yeah, and that's the thing. BMW is already doing the powertrain. The car is, is, is built in France. They'd have to do some work there.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:13:14Doug DeMuro?

  God knows.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, Germans don't like that.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  A lot of switchgear, right?

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  A ton of BMW stuff in that car. The infotainment is all BMW. And I think the Grenadier brand is already like more strong than I, I disagree. I think that BMW coming out with a. XX or whatever they would call a G-Wagon competitor would, would, would take some time to build credibility that the Grenadier already has.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Do they? Was it a bespoke chassis?

• 1:13:38Doug DeMuro?

  The Grenadier? Presumably. One of the, one of the, the undisgusted thing here is that Ineos is a massive corporation themselves and maybe may not appreciate this. They may be like, no, we're good.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  Especially because they were founded from a couple of guys who run the Ineos Corporation that decided they wanted a very specific thing. They wanted the Defender to have continued in the way it was. And maybe they're not interested in selling and then just losing that market again.

• 1:14:00Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. You do wonder though, like BMW wants this. They're already providing the motors. They're already there. They're probably in trouble financially.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Do they want it?

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Not selling a lot of cars. Why doesn't BMW come in, integrate some, integrate some platforms? We got, we got a situation. They got a real land over competitor tomorrow.

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  Why didn't they build it years ago? They don't seem to care about this market.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Distracted by the XM.

• 1:14:20Doug DeMuro?

  Because they don't feel, they don't. They didn't understand what made the G-Wagon successful. You think they understand now? They do. Of course, remember Audi has come out and said they want to do a G-Wagon. BMW has intimated that. They all realize what made it successful was the box seats. It wasn't a market position. It was a capability and a design. But if they cared enough, they would have built it. Well, hey, they've got it. You would start seeing renderings. You would start seeing it trickle out, and it hasn't.

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  They've got a new chairman now, so maybe he will think differently. Maybe this will happen.

• 1:14:46Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't be shocked if BMW is definitely going to go after G-Wagon. This is what they should do. Toast565 is absolutely brilliant.

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  And then make a Unimog version of it to compete with.

• 1:14:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:14:59Doug DeMuro?

  On the subject of SUVs that aren't selling, Nobles Oblige asks, "Hello, what do you think about Harry Metcalf buying a Levante Trofeo?" Okay, we worship at the altar of Harry Metcalf on this podcast.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  Every Sunday, I go to church and then it's better known as Harry Metcalf.

• 1:15:14Doug DeMuro?

  You've never seen a Harry video? Don't even know what to search for on YouTube to find it.

• 1:15:18Speaker 04

  Let me tell you.

• 1:15:19Doug DeMuro?

  Type in Harry Metcalf.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  Do you spell Harry?

• 1:15:21Doug DeMuro?

  Spell that. Metcalf, hard.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:15:23Doug DeMuro?

  Is that the name of the channel? Harry's Garage. Harry is. Harry is my favorite automotive YouTuber, and I agree with a lot of what he says. He's more into the old stuff than we are, but we have some crossover.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  There's some English bias, of course.

• 1:15:34Doug DeMuro?

  There's definitely some English bias. He's at the gas station this morning with his Lotus Elan, measuring its weight.

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's like, all right, Harry. But he bought a used Levante Trofeo as sort of a get-around car. We have often, this is a tough one for us because we have said great things about Harry, and we have made fun of Maserati. Not the Trofeo. This is an important point. I reviewed the Levante Trofeo when it was new and said it was actually a pretty damn good car. It drives fantastically. It is the only, I actually thought all Levantes drove pretty well, but they were overpriced. And that included the Trofeo. I presume he bought this for nothing.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:10Doug DeMuro?

  As a used car.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  That was his point, was he couldn't get over how inexpensive it was.

• 1:16:14Doug DeMuro?

  And truly, the Levante is a nice driving car, and the Trofeo was a legit situation. 590 horsepower. Think about that. Twin-turbo V8. Twin-turbo V8. It's not a joke car.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  And also, to be clear, and he makes this point in the video that he did, he's owned Maserati forever. In the 90s, he was buying Maseratis when no one was buying Maseratis. So like, he likes that brand, and so like, I... They have had some bad cars, the bi-turbo, the Ghibli.

• 1:16:40Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of modern stuff.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  But there are some compelling cars within what they've.

• 1:16:44Doug DeMuro?

  I would even argue that almost every Maserati, modern one, which we've made tons of fun of, is pretty compelling at a price point. Like a Ghibli at eight, which is kind of where they're getting.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, where are they right now?

• 1:16:54Doug DeMuro?

  It starts to be kind of appealing. And the Levante Trofeo, pull up Levantis, have we sold?

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  We've sold a bunch of Levantis, only we've auctioned two Trofeos. The last one failed to me, reserve at $40,000.

• 1:17:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, nonetheless, I mean, in the 18 to 24, right?

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  I mean, 18 K for 424 horsepower, good looking SUV.

• 1:17:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I always felt that these were attractive. They always were attractive. Look at this, I mean, this is a pretty cool car.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  Modern and the GTS are cool.

• 1:17:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's a cool looking thing. I always felt they were attractive. I always felt they were desirable. I just never felt they were desirable or attractive at sticker. And if you go back to my Levante Trofeo video, which was years ago, I make that point. And I, I, I support Harry and I think, once again, the man is brilliant. He's a, he's ahead of us all.

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  Yes, and he always will be.

• 1:17:36Doug DeMuro?

  He always will be. We'll always be following in Harry's footsteps.

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  What's the smaller, the Graccholi, whatever the sporty one, also pretty decent.

• 1:17:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's decent, but they haven't been out long enough to have depreciated.

• 1:17:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, Harry, Harry needs more space, dude. Harry's got a farm.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Maserati is like fine wine.

• 1:17:50Doug DeMuro?

  Harry's got horses.

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  He does.

• 1:17:52Doug DeMuro?

  He's got cattle.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  I just see his cows.

• 1:17:54Doug DeMuro?

  He's, he's gonna have a cow give birth in the back of this car. That's what happens on farm.

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  But they are like fine wine. As time goes on and they depreciate, they become much better.

• 1:18:03Doug DeMuro?

  Sure. I don't know about that. I think they become just as bad or good, but much cheaper. Next question, hey Doug, from Cato 2500, you mentioned on the last podcast that you only want to own sports cars with manual transmissions without, except for a few exceptions. What are the exceptions? Kenan, why don't you enlighten the audience?

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  Let's see, exceptions.

• 1:18:24Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know the answer myself, so I'm curious.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  Nick owns an SLR, so he wouldn't do that, although before he bought it, you were kind of thinking.

• 1:18:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, not seriously, but yeah, that'd be up there. Auto sports cars. Sturato for sure.

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  Sturato is Sturato.

• 1:18:38Doug DeMuro?

  430 scoot for sure.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Doug DeMuro?

  Swap that.

• 1:18:40Speaker 04

  Although less and less every day.

• 1:18:41Doug DeMuro?

  I'd probably swap it. Um, 575, 599 for sure. And then 575 Super America. Yep. All those cars I'd probably swap.

• 1:18:50Speaker 04

  That's the thing. I think the, the spirit of the question is.

• 1:18:53Doug DeMuro?

  What would I actually use?

• 1:18:54Speaker 04

  Except as an automatic, yeah.

• 1:18:55Doug DeMuro?

  Vey.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  Vey. Well, yeah, you wouldn't, you wouldn't want one at any number.

• 1:19:00Doug DeMuro?

  No, I, it's some number it's appealing. It's just so hard to own and I just don't need that in my life. I would own a Vey if I didn't have to do it with some of the other cars.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  If you had tons of money, Sheeran as a daily, you've mentioned you would do.

• 1:19:09Doug DeMuro?

  Definitely. That Aston sport brake thing. Yeah, yes. That Vanquish Zagato Shooting Brake would be, would be definitely top. It'd be one of the few. Vanquish Zagato Shooting Brake, Sturato, 430 scoot. Super America. Super America. What's he saying?

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  Project 8.

• 1:19:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. We, we've been on a big, uh, Project 8. Pull up a Project 8. I, I don't know if you guys remember this car, speaking of Harry. But Jaguar a couple of years ago made a car with a big cat on the side. Yep. And, uh, click on that one because it's got the cat really big. And, um. Big, the big cat package. I, this car was, although it's, it looks here like a race car, it was a, a car you could buy as a person. Yep. And, uh, these were sold to people, not many of them because no one wanted it. Uh, but it was a Jaguar XE, which is their BMW 3 Series competitor. Good looking car. And it had, it had, it had 590 horsepower thing? Yeah. 592 horsepower. To this day, it's still almost 100 horsepower above the current M3. Yep.

• 1:20:10Doug DeMuro?

  A decade later. Like this was the stupidest thing that ever existed. And I've, I've definitely talked about and legitimately would consider buying one of these. They only made 300 of them for the world. Uh, and that's automatic.

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• 1:20:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, and Harry was very involved with that project. Harry was very involved with it, which actually has meaning to me. You can have Harry Metcalfe provenance. Yeah. I'm serious, though. One of my problems with this car, though, to be frank, that I wanted reason I haven't gone after it is that I would want a bigger cat on the side. Yeah, the cat needs to be larger, I agree. And I think, I don't know why they did it so subtle. I don't know what they were. The cat only goes over half the car. Why didn't it cross the window? I want a full cat. Right. You know, these were offered, I've discovered something about this car. They were offered with no backseats, but they weren't. I challenge you, internet, to find me one. Well, this one has a cage in it, so I'm guessing this one. There were a couple press cars, clearly, that were made without backseats, and there are press photos.

• 1:21:34Doug DeMuro?

  But when they come up for sale, they got backseats. It's like how the Demon, you could get no passenger seat and it'd have a bucket there instead. They all have. They all have a passenger seat. Nobody actually wants the car with no AC. Yeah. That is cool. Heinous car, ridiculous, and I want one so badly as a result of that. That's a good list. Thank you. You got any others you want? No, not one. Not really. You wouldn't get a Project 8? No. Are you kidding? No. You drive, you wouldn't drive around in a? Daily, different. You wouldn't drive around in a cat car? The thing about the cat, I've never had a Jaguar ever interested. But it's got 592 horsepower. People talk about the Blackwing, this is something I understand. People are, oh, the Blackwing, the Blackwing. You know what's got more power than the Blackwing? The cat car. No, it doesn't. What does the Blackwing have?

• 1:22:18Doug DeMuro?

  660 horsepower, 658? Damn, the Blackwing is insane. We should get a Blackwing and put a cat on the side. 658, yes. I will point out, though, I will point out that the Blackwing is the next size class up. That's one of the reasons. The CT4V Blackwing also, God, but it's less power. I still want one. For some reason. That's the thing. The CT4V Blackwing does exist, but it's still 120 horsepower less than the cat car. Yep. The cat car is stupid powerful. Yep.

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  And more powerful than a Levante.

• 1:22:49Speaker 04

  I wouldn't want that one.

• 1:22:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's more powerful than anything, dude. It's more powerful than anything.

• 1:22:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:22:53Doug DeMuro?

  It's Jaguars Hellcat. Okay, next question. We have a couple moments for a couple more questions.

• 1:23:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, here's a good one. It's about you guys from Schmirda. Doug, when you were starting the podcast, did you ever have other co-hosts in mind? Or did you always know it would be the current team? In your eyes, what do Kennen and Filippo bring to the table? Or what did they bring to the table?

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Oh, damn. It's ended. Agreed. I mean, fundamentally agreed.

• 1:23:19Doug DeMuro?

  You need to understand something about this podcast, okay? We are the number one automotive podcast. By God. But we only started doing this

• 1:23:29Doug DeMuro?

  because we were, if someone had an idea and Filippo was in the office that day.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  Sure was.

• 1:23:34Doug DeMuro?

  It sort of worked out. We didn't intend for this to happen. Would I replace these two if I could? Of course I would.

• 1:23:41Speaker 03

  I would, yeah.

• 1:23:41Doug DeMuro?

  Instead of Filippo, I would have the cat on the side of the Project 8.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  Because you had just an entire Project 8.

• 1:23:47Doug DeMuro?

  He would just sit. No, I wouldn't do that. That's ridic- don't be stupid.

• 1:23:49Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 1:23:51Doug DeMuro?

  Just the cat. And instead of Kennen, I would have Harry Metcalf fly in every week.

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  Worth it.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  That, oh, that'd be amazing. I'd listen to that. The cat would be a little much, but Harry would be great.

• 1:24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Harry and I'd be talking, the cat would go

• 1:24:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:24:10Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 1:24:11Speaker 04

  How do you think Harry would do the intro?

• 1:24:12Doug DeMuro?

  Kennen and Filippo, the reason this podcast is so successful, which no one talks about because no one knows, is that Kennen and Filippo were my personal friends long before we had a podcast.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  Yes. To be clear, this is what it's like having conversations with us. We just don't have a screen and talk about the news generally, but

• 1:24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Often, I wish the pod was being filmed an hour before we filmed the pot.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  You'd hear some stuff.

• 1:24:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's just as good and sometimes way less appropriate.

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  We can't cut everything Nick says in a normal conversation. He has to tone himself down.

• 1:24:40Speaker 04

  So much that hits the cutting room floor.

• 1:24:41Speaker 03

  To make it possible for an editor to physically do their job.

• 1:24:43Doug DeMuro?

  So, anyway, the answer is, of course, I always knew it was them. There was no other option. It was just like, hey, guys, you want to do a podcast?

• 1:24:50Speaker 03

  So true.

• 1:24:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  We tried a live show for a while that was in the same thing.

• 1:24:55Doug DeMuro?

  Were you part of that?

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  I was in a couple of them. We had some other guests.

• 1:24:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, Zach Clapman was on there. I've been on every single, I was on all of those and most of these. But yes, yeah.

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  Yep, try some other things.

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  Matt Farah was our first guest. That's true.

• 1:25:06Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, this, this podcast works great because we were all friends before. I've known Filippo since, since he was a child. I've known you for 11 years, by the way. What's that? 11 years. 11 years I've known Filippo. That's crazy. I've known Ken for five now. Yeah, and I've known you for six. Six or seven, yeah. So, that's why the pod works. When you watch it, and I always see the comments, people like, "These guys get on so well." Well, the reason is because that, that's, we are. That's not me. I also want to make it really clear. We also all hate each other, but that's not really. No. No, I'm joking, I'm joking. Well, now I know where you stand. Same with Nick. Nick is also our friend, whoever else we bring on. It's only my friends. When, when, when the company got, when private equity showed up, they were like, "You need more people. It can't all be Doug."

• 1:25:48Doug DeMuro?

  And so we tried some more people, and then what we realized is we only, I only, it only ever worked if it was people I liked. And that's why Top Gear was so successful. Those guys, although they weren't personal friends beforehand, they developed that rapport. That's not true. They were, they were friends, all friends beforehand, but yeah, but it developed beautifully. Developed beautifully, worked so great, and I think that's why it works so great here. And by the way, one thing we didn't mention, speaking of podcasts, you know, and Matt Farah, who we, you know whose car is live right now? Matt Farah's NSX is currently on Cars and Bids. Look, there he is, driving it. Oh, wow. He looks so cool. That's actually a great picture. OE wheels, good choice. That's actually gonna be, absolutely going to be the feature. Back to OE wheels. Matt Farah, NSX, this is a really, really cherry, late production NSX, currently live on Cars and Bids for you to bid on and buy and own.

• 1:26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Super, super, super excited to see this car on the site. I'm so glad he put the OE wheels back on. Yeah, that was such. The OE wheels look great. His looks fine. It's just a really nice car. What's the, what's the mileage? 20,000. 20,000 miles. He drove it a little bit. He told me he got all he wanted out of it and had a good time with it. I love these cars. I'm, I've become like the biggest NSX guy, and especially these late ones are just so, so, so enjoyable to drive and to use. I agree, yes. Matt Farah's car. This is a very rare, late, late, late NA2 NSX, owned by the man himself. The king of all automotive.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree with that description, Matt Farah.

• 1:27:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I'm gonna do two more questions, two. Uh, for number one from Bear at the Controls 7.

• 1:27:14Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:27:15Doug DeMuro?

  Doug, what's the worst or weirdest car that you saw in the background in a rich dude's collection that you were visiting to video something cool? Uh, it's an interesting question. Every rich dude whose collection I go to has some weird whatever. He's got something. There's never been a time where I've walked in and it's just been F40, F50, Enzo. There's usually in the corner over there, there's like something weird. But I'll tell you the weirdest one. The fellow who, I'm still in touch with him. The fellow who owned the, uh, Rosso Vic Diablo 6.0 that I reviewed probably 10 years ago.

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:47Doug DeMuro?

  He was and is, and he told me this, he still is, a massive enthusiast of the first generation Infiniti Q45.

• 1:27:55Speaker 04

  No way.

• 1:27:55Doug DeMuro?

  And every time one comes up on Bring the Trailer and on our site, he buys. And he's bought, he's got 10. Infiniti, the first generation only.

• 1:28:05Speaker 04

  The LS400-based first generation.

• 1:28:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'm talking about, we don't very rarely sell them, but it's, it's, uh, let's pull up a nice one.

• 1:28:11Speaker 04

  The one that's based on the LS400.

• 1:28:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's this body, it's this body. Q45, yeah. He, he goes and buys, it's not based on the LS400.

• 1:28:19Speaker 04

  No way. The very first generation Q45 shared a lot of parts with the LS400.

• 1:28:22Doug DeMuro?

  Who told you this?

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  Fact.

• 1:28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Who told you?

• 1:28:24Speaker 04

  It's a factual information.

• 1:28:25Doug DeMuro?

  Fact check this guy. Anyway, uh, and he, that was, that was probably the strangest.

• 1:28:30Speaker 04

  Did you not know that?

• 1:28:31Doug DeMuro?

  That was probably the strangest of the, uh, he had a crazy collection. I also reviewed his Rolls Royce Wraith, which was a brand new car at the time. It was like a 400 car. And he had like six V8 original body Q45s. Very strange, but every one of them has.

• 1:28:45Speaker 04

  We all have our thing. Even if I, if I, what's the lottery at, current 1.25 billion?

• 1:28:49Doug DeMuro?

  1.25.

• 1:28:50Speaker 04

  If I won that, I'd still have ether. I would then buy and rescue clap D39s and save them. I would, that would be my.

• 1:28:56Doug DeMuro?

  That's where the money would go. Eventually he'd run out of money.

• 1:28:58Speaker 04

  Right, that's the way to take a large fortune, make a small fortune out of it.

• 1:29:01Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Uh, next question from Core Turan. I wanna list, this is a good question for you, Felipe.

• 1:29:05Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:29:06Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna list my 1971 K5 Blazer, but since it's a topless car, should I wait till spring or just post it now? What are your thoughts on selling convertibles in the winter? What do you wanna say? You're trying to hit a revenue target for the year, so you're probably, put it on our site! Get her up!

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  But I think, I think it depends a little bit on the car specifics and where you live. Truly. Uh, there is some upside to waiting until things get a little bit warmer. So people like wants are have the horizon, the end of winter on the horizon. If you're somewhere that's cold, there is some value to that. But I think that that happens sooner than you expect. That does not mean wait till June. That means wait till like February, March.

• 1:29:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree with that. I also think a more dailyable convertible, you don't necessarily have to wait like a 440i.

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:50Doug DeMuro?

  And also you don't necessarily want to wait if it's a heavily depreciating convertible. Cause I don't necessarily know that the fort, like if it's November and you want to wait till March. I don't necessarily know that five months is going to be a better situation. If you're trying to sell like a new 440i.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  Surely would not be.

• 1:30:03Doug DeMuro?

  Your two year old car, you're going to probably lose about as much depreciation as you'd gain with the seasonality. A 71 K5 Blazer, in all honesty, I would wait on that. I would wait till the spring.

• 1:30:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's a car. Nobody wants to take out an old Blazer in the winter. It's like, it's called metal. You hurt yourself on it when you're cold, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  I know exactly what you mean.

• 1:30:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  Done it.

• 1:30:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Uh, I would wait. I would wait till the spring. Uh, but I generally, I wouldn't necessarily on all cars.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Doug DeMuro?

  And I will say, oh, sorry. There are some benefits if you, if you sell a convertible in the spring and you're the only guy up with a nice, you know, 987 Boxer Spider. Here in SoCal, we don't distinguish. I mean, we've all bought convertibles in the, in the, in the cold months.

• 1:30:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. Bought my 355 in, uh, in November.

• 1:30:43Doug DeMuro?

  I bought the G-Wagon in October, the Porsche of the courage routine in February. Like we do it here in California, so it's not like that out of the realm. But, uh, but I think you have a larger audience in the spring for most convertibles.

• 1:30:52Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 1:30:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Last question, final question. You haven't found anything with the LS 400 Q45.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  I'm trying to verify why I thought this and I, I haven't gotten there yet, but I, there's something there.

• 1:31:02Doug DeMuro?

  He's going to get destroyed in the company. Yeah, these two competitive companies, both trying to launch luxury brands at the same time are like, hey, let's team up.

• 1:31:10Speaker 03

  There's something there.

• 1:31:11Doug DeMuro?

  This is typical.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  Keep going, keep going.

• 1:31:13Doug DeMuro?

  I got it. I taught him everything he knows about cars. He came to me one day, little boy hat on hand. He said, teach me, teach me. So I did. I taught him. I swear that what I'm saying is factually accurate, but I can't prove it yet. Uh, okay. Final question from Spyro76. No, let's do from just the tip. We already covered the other ones. From just the tip. We've heard that Doug is not a Porsche guy, not a Nissan guy, not a G-Wagon convertible guy. Boy, that's true. Not a collector, not a classic car guy, not a truck guy. What kind of guy is Doug? A Sequoia guy? What else is left? He's the type of guy. I don't distinguish. The thing, the thing that I think makes people don't quite understand about me is that I love all cars. All cars. Like, I was thinking about this earlier today.

• 1:31:54Doug DeMuro?

  I cannot think of a single brand whose car I have not either owned or spent like three nights until 3 a.m. on AutoTrader searching for perfect examples of. There's not a, I've owned, if you look at my car history, which now has 37, 38 cars, it goes like this. Volvo, Audi, Volkswagen, Toyota, Ford, BMW, Lotus, Cadillac, Mercedes, Porsche, Land Rover, Nissan.

• 1:32:19Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, I don't, this isn't, I don't, I'm not, I just love all, and I think a lot of people are uncomfortable about that and try to put someone into a box because they themselves are typically, oh, I only like BMWs. I only like trucks. I prefer Audis, whatever. And they're like shocked that someone, and like this with airlines too. I don't, I'm not, I'm like, Filippo will only fly his one airline. I will fly whichever airline is cheapest to get me to the destination I want to go to. Period. I do not care. I don't discriminate. I don't, I don't have a type. I don't have a thing. I have off-road trucks and convertible trucks and crazy sports cars and I'll do it all. And it just so happens that the last car I bought happened to be a Porsche that I wanted, but my list still has other cars that aren't Porsches and I promise I will eventually sell that Porsche, probably for a Supra.

• 1:33:01Doug DeMuro?

  And then I go into the Japanese realm. He's still over here trying to find, trying to find. I'm fine. He was looking for it on the site. Now he wasn't Googling anywhere else now because finally Google is out. No, no, I swear. Anyway, that's the answer. Filippo, do you agree?

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. He hasn't been paying attention since.

• 1:33:21Doug DeMuro?

  I decided to go that. You've been around when I bought a lot of cars.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you are one of the, if I had to pick someone who I'd say is agnostic to brand, who is just an enthusiast of things with four wheels, that's you. And it just so happens that you've settled on the, you have gotten to a point where in your life where you can buy the dream stuff and so you have, but you mean you've owned 37 cars before that and they are, they are so diverse and there's just a smattering of interesting.

• 1:33:46Doug DeMuro?

  I had an 01 Prius.

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, I mean, briefly.

• 1:33:49Doug DeMuro?

  I had a CTSV wagon, an 01 Prius, a 360 Modena and a Hummer all in together.

• 1:33:55Speaker 04

  Yep. The only person in history.

• 1:33:58Doug DeMuro?

  I just don't, I like what I, like everything. I like everything. And I had a Kia and I, there's nothing that I sit there and be like, I wouldn't buy that because of that brand. There are certain cars I wouldn't buy because of some of the connotations that the particular car provides, including, yes, yes, our friend behind me.

• 1:34:14Doug DeMuro?

  But that's certainly not true about brand. I really just am not, I'm into everything. Trucks, cars, sports cars, wagons, SUVs, all of it.

• 1:34:21Speaker 04

  Very admirable. I wish I could be that way.

• 1:34:23Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, that's our podcast for this week. It's our. And for the year. We have another podcast coming up next week, but we're not recording it live. It's just going to be questions from last week's because we're not filming on Christmas. Filippo, do you have any holiday thoughts for our audience?

• 1:34:41Speaker 03

  When you go home to your family, which hopefully some of you are doing, go judge your siblings, your parents, their neighbors' cars.

• 1:34:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's so true.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  It's all to do on Christmas.

• 1:34:52Speaker 04

  Be judgmental.

• 1:34:53Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, you got any holiday thoughts for our viewers?

• 1:34:56Speaker 04

  I, I hope you, all your automotive dreams come true.

• 1:34:58Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:34:59Speaker 04

  And I hope that, I hope that you're able to buy cars like Filippo is here. And uh, yes, and I just wish everybody a very happy holidays.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  Accomplishment of 2025.

• 1:35:06Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo bought a Porsche.

• 1:35:08Speaker 04

  Right at the end.

• 1:35:09Doug DeMuro?

  In the new year, we'll find out what it is and what trouble it's getting into.

• 1:35:13Speaker 04

  Maybe not. It might not show up.

• 1:35:15Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know why you think.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  Because like he doesn't, it's like, he doesn't have any, he paid, doesn't have the title. It's like, I think I could disappear tomorrow.

• 1:35:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's a good point. Where's the title?

• 1:35:25Speaker 04

  Is it in transit? It's gonna ship out today. Right. Not with a car. Anyway. I trust Luke. That number's not gonna work. Fulebo's gonna call and it's gonna be disconnected. Goodbye, everyone. Good luck, Fulebo. Merry holidays. I have a bill of sale. It's okay.