#401 - “Epstein’s Classified VHS Tapes Would End Society” (It’s Worse Than You Think) | Ben Swann

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Ben Swann is an investigative journalist covering US politics, international politics, Jeffrey Epstein and much more. Ben & Danny discuss the Epstein files, Thomas Massie, the Iran-Israel war & missing UFO scientists. SPONSORS https://mudwtr.com/dannyjones - Use code DANNYJONES for up to 43% off. https://amentara.com/go/djp - Use code DJ11 for an extra 11% off. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Sign up for your $1 per-month trial today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS @TheBenSwann https://x.com/BenSwann_ https://www.instagram.com/benswann_ FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - The Epstein scandal destroyed his career 03:38 - The origin of Pizzagate 09:43 - The "cheese pizza" code 12:59 - "The DC pizzeria DID have a basement" 15:30 - Symbols linked to Pizzagate 17:52 - Comet Pizza owner 22:00 - Cannibalism 22:56 - Epstein's darkest inner circle 34:51 - Ben's Pizzagate story got him fired 40:36 - Marina Abramović's "spirit cooking" 42:07 - Epstein's close relationship with Zelenskyy 44:34 - Hillary Clinton's deposition 47:59 - Who funded Thomas Massie's campaign 58:09 - Where the Epstein evidence is hidden 01:00:34 - The Brazilian model who exposed Melania Trump 01:09:21 - The biggest problem with the Epstein case 01:11:38 - "Epstein is absolutely alive" 01:19:55 - Epstein left $10M to 2 Norwegian kids 01:21:17 - Ghislaine Maxwell is the smoking gun 01:27:21 - The military contractor scam 01:32:30 - The Iran WSO rescue was a distraction story 01:39:28 - How government controls the national news 01:41:09 - Cartel killings in El Paso 01:48:24 - The strategic release of the UFO files 01:53:18 - "They will announce non-human entities" 01:59:09 - Religious hypocrisy of the Iran War 02:05:14 - Ben's experience working for Russian state media 02:07:29 - Zelenskyy's corruption exposed 02:18:15 - Ukraine bioweapons labs 02:23:05 - Epstein's relationship with Bannon 02:27:57 - Tyler Robinson - Charlie Kirk story makes no sense 02:39:32 - Craziest detail about the Butler assassination attempt 02:43:29 - Missing UFO scientists 02:47:54 - Savannah Guthrie's mom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:37Danny Jones?

  Ben Swan, nice to meet you, bro.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Nice to meet you, too, man. I love this place, by the way. It's amazing in here. It's so good.

• 0:43Danny Jones?

  Thank you, dude. Thank you. John Keryaku recommended I get you on.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Good.

• 0:47Danny Jones?

  And talk about all your stuff. And I've been digging into your history, which is insane.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  A little bit.

• 0:53Danny Jones?

  And how you've been vindicated over like with the last 10 years with the drop of all these Epstein files, confirming everything that you lost your career over.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Essentially, yeah.

• 1:02Danny Jones?

  So why don't you like lay it out for people? Like, how did this all start for you?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, you know, I was a journalist, still am, for 25 years. I started out, you know, as a news photographer, working in local news, became an anchor, kind of worked my way up through the ranks, worked for Fox, CBS, NBC. So, you know, just kind of did that for years. And I ended up in Cincinnati, working for the Fox station there, and really started doing stuff that was a little bit outside of what normal local news is, which, by the way, is a horrible product. Who watches this garbage? And so we kind of hit a sweet spot. We talked about things that other people wouldn't talk about. And this, you know, it's funny, when you say that now, everybody does that, right? That's not a no big deal anymore. But that wasn't true even back like in 2012. It was very hard to find that because, remember, a lot of this social media content was in its infancy in 2012.

• 1:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  You know, there was no Instagram video. Facebook didn't even have video in 2012, right? That if you go back, Facebook video didn't start till 2015. So this is still a new...

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Medium in terms of how people are getting information.

• 2:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Twitter didn't have video. Like YouTube was the only place you could find it. We kind of blew up on YouTube because we would talk about, you know, things like the Petro dollar on local news. And we would talk about things like blowback from the CIA and things that you weren't supposed to talk about in local news. So we did really well with that. And then I ended up going to Atlanta and just kept, kept doing it, man. We were building this massive following online, had the largest following of any journalists in a local news station online by a measure of 10. It was pretty incredible. And when I was in Atlanta, because I had such a huge online following, you know, about a million people at the time, which again was unheard of for what I was doing. They would weigh in on, I'm sure this happens to you all the time, topics.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  What they want you to cover, things that are happening. Well, in 2015, there was this.

• 2:53Danny Jones?

  Who specifically was weighing in on that?

• 2:55Speaker 02

  The audience.

• 2:56Danny Jones?

  The audience, okay.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Through Twitter and through Facebook at the time. So they're putting stuff out. This is now we're getting to it, you know, 2016, Facebook now has video on it. So we're doing, I think we did 150 million views in 2016 on Facebook. I mean, it was insane, the kind of coverage we were doing. And we were just doing everything, right? From wars to covering the election, you know, talking about what a disaster the war in the Middle East had been. Again, nobody would, in news was really doing this at the time. No one in politics was doing it, right? Until 2016, when Trump finally said it.

• 3:26Danny Jones?

  Was there a political bet to the news station you're working for? Like a political leaning or?

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Well, all, all news stations, I would say lean pretty left.

• 3:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Right. And I don't think, think they even necessarily.

• 3:35Danny Jones?

  Local news stations, you mean?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:36Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that they even mean to lean that way. I think it's just, it's.

• 3:40Danny Jones?

  The anchors.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  The culmination of people who were there.

• 3:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  All kind of share the same worldview.

• 3:45Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:45Danny Jones?

  I see.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  But even when you get like into Fox, you know, and at one point I was, I was offered a position at Fox and I turned it down.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  The, even that network, a lot of people who work there are not Republicans and not even conservatives, right? A lot of them are Democrats and they're liberals. They go to liberal colleges and they, they want a job in TV. So they end up working there.

• 4:05Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  So by 2016, there's this story on the internet that's getting a lot of attention on, on Twitter at the time. And it was actually the number one trending topic on Twitter for almost a year. And that was this story called Pizza Gate. People started saying, there's this, there's this crazy thing that's happening and kids are being, you know.

• 4:29Speaker 02

  Basement of a pizza parlor in Washington DC. Hillary Clinton's eating children, right? It was this crazy story. Yeah, I'm like, there's no way any of this is true. So I just stayed away from it because there, in my mind, there's real things to talk about. Right? Like at the time, the Syrian civil war is blowing up and we're trying to overthrow Assad. And there's like, you know, fake five year olds who are tweeting in perfect English to the United States, please come help us send soldiers. And it's like, what, what is this? Right? So I'm covering that kind of stuff and trying to expose that. But people keep pushing and pushing and pushing. So one night I'm sitting there because I'm, I'm the anchor of that station as well, the, the primetime anchor. And so my co-anchor and I are sitting there one night and we're reading stories. And the way it works in local TV is so you're, you know, we're in Atlanta. That's the eighth largest TV market in the country.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  But we still take a lot of our news from the network that will send it down to us in what are called feeds. So they'll feed you down stories to cover that are already written. And then you also have a feed that comes from like the Associated Press, CNN, a lot of people are tied into something called CNN News Source. And so CNN sends these pre-written stories to you. And it's kind of the big stories that they're covering. And by the way, they're always the gospel, right? You never challenge anything that comes down from on high.

• 5:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  So we're, we're sitting there and one night we're reading a story about a guy who goes into pizza parlor in DC with a, with a shotgun. And he shoots up the place because of this conspiracy theory online that had gained traction. And so he had been, his mind had been twisted and warped by it. Right? And so I'm, I'm, I'm reading the story and I'm like, oh, this is that story that everyone keeps talking about. Right? So read about this guy. And then in our script that came down from CNN, and then the next day it comes down from CBS also, the claim is, and you can go back and look it up. The claim is that Macedonian sheep farmers created the pizza gate theory in order to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  So we read this on the air and I'm like, This is crazier than the stuff people are telling me online, right? The idea that, like, how would a Macedonian sheep farmer concoct this theory? And why would they concoct it? And how would they get all of Twitter talking about it, right? It was totally crazy. And so that was the, that was the theory that was kind of pushed out into the mainstream. And so at that point, I was like, okay, I'll look into it. So I got online, start messaging out to, just kind of blasting out on Twitter. I'm gonna look at Pizza Gate. As crazy as it sounds, send me what you have. So people start sending information about it. And the first thing I find out is it's got nothing to do with Macedonian sheep farmers.

• 7:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  You know, spoiler alert. Instead, the first thing you find out is, oh, these, these files come from John Podesta's emails.

• 7:13Danny Jones?

  The WikiLeaks.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  WikiLeaks, right. So John Podesta, the, the claim is he left his phone in a cab in New York. Somebody got it. They saw who, who it belonged to, passed it through, I don't know how many hands, ended up in the hands of someone associated with WikiLeaks. And then they dumped 50,000 emails online, right? And remember, WikiLeaks doesn't do much anymore, and no one really talks about them much anymore.

• 7:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  But WikiLeaks at the time, they, they weren't ever editorializing anything, right? They just put out information.

• 7:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  So if they got an email, they didn't tell you what to think about the email. They just put it up online.

• 7:47Danny Jones?

  They put the raw info out there.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  You read it for yourself, you decide what you think of it.

• 7:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  And so they had dumped these emails, okay? And then I started finding out that, well, actually, it's not, again, sheep farmers. It's a group of self, self-professed pedophiles on 4chan and 8chan at the time. Because people were on a lot of these chat rooms, and this is where kind of pedophiles would go to communicate. Were the first people to say, has anybody noticed that John Podesta has an awful lot of emails using the language we use? Which is using pizza-coded language. I had never heard of this. I'd never heard of pizza being used as a code for anything, especially for child.

• 8:35Danny Jones?

  PDF files.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  PDF files. So.

• 8:39Danny Jones?

  So they were, these kind of people were, were admitting this online?

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but remember these chat rooms are all anonymous, right? And so they're all sitting.

• 8:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, cause it's 4chan. Got it.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  And so they're anonymously talking to each other in these groups, which is where even at the time, I mean, you could go back and look at local police departments or FBI. This is where they would go to try to find these rings to break them up.

• 8:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Cause this is where they congregate, or at the time they would, right?

• 9:02Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Again, internet's changed a lot in 20 years, right? Years ago was like chat rooms and people would IM each other. It's all, it's all changed so much technologically in a very short amount of time. So then, you know, as a journalist, then I start looking at, okay, well then the next step is, is this true? Like do pedo communicate with each other like this? So next thing I do is I get online, go into 4chan, go into 8chan and start trying to communicate with these groups. And saying, is this true? And they're all like, yeah, this is, this is how we talk to each other.

• 9:36Danny Jones?

  By the way, how common is it for a, a local news anchor like yourself to go this deep on something?

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Nothing. Never happens. Never happens. Who's gonna do that? Sounds tough. No, this, this does not happen.

• 9:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Totally unique to do something like this. But I was, I was like fascinated by it.

• 9:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  So then the next thing I did was then I was like, okay, well, is there anything outside of the word of a pedo? Not exactly the most credible people necessarily, but aside from the PDF files who are online, is there any way to verify this? And the funny thing was, I, I looked at the time, this is in, again, 2016.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  I find an entry in Urban Dictionary from 2010, so from six years before, where if you looked up cheese pizza, it stated at the time, this was code language used by pedo, because it's an acronym. Cheese Pizza CP.

• 10:30Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  So if they were trying to exchange child, they would say, I have cheese pizza. Who wants cheese pizza? That's how they would communicate with each other with an acronym. And then out of that acronym, there grew a series of other code words that were pizza related. So like pizza slice, um, hot dog, all those different kinds of things. Pizza sauce, pasta, it's all related to that. But that's where the origin, the genesis of it is the acronym CP.

• 10:59Danny Jones?

  Got it. Right. Got it.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Now, there are people to this day in 2026, shockingly, who still say, oh, that's not true. There's no proof of this. The funny thing is, even as recently as 2023, the FBI arrested a prolific sex offender, who was a child sex offender. And the way they caught him was online. They caught him using pizza language in order to communicate. And that was specifically how they tracked him. It's in the documents surrounding his arrest and his conviction.

• 11:30Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:31Danny Jones?

  Is this the Dennis Hastert guy?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Dennis Hastert is different than that. Yes. Dennis Hastert was the Speaker of the House.

• 11:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Um, this is back in the 19, late 80s, early 90s.

• 11:41Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  So, third most powerful person in Washington. Um, years later, he was finally convicted of having, when he was a wrestling coach in his previous life, brutally dozens of boys who were in his programs.

• 11:57Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  When the judge sentenced him, the judge said that they had, the judge said, I have never, um, in my, all of my career, sentenced a more prolific and violent sex offender than Dennis Hastert.

• 12:08Danny Jones?

  And he only did, he only did how much time?

• 12:12Speaker 02

  Oh, it was a very short amount of time. 18 months, I think. It was a very short amount of time. Yeah.

• 12:16Danny Jones?

  That's fucking insane, man.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  And he was very old and decrepit at the time. But you have to think, if, if you abused that many boys that violently that many years before, you don't just turn it off.

• 12:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Right. You don't just stop. Um, so that's kind of how we got into the, got into the story, and then kept digging into it and, you know, found a lot of stuff. We put together this report.

• 12:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  We ran the report. I, I, I ran it all, you know, all the way up the chain, um, of the station that I was at. You know, my news director read it, agreed with it, like.

• 12:46Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. And we actually were very gentle with it, in that there's a lot of imagery associated with that pizza place. Imagery that was from the Instagram page of the guy who owned it, the guy who owned it, James Alafontas. Um, you know, there's no evidence that he's done anything to anyone, but he had a lot of, like, very weird, questionable, seemingly perverse, um, photographs on his Instagram, little girl with her wrist taped to the table, things like that. Yeah.

• 13:11Danny Jones?

  What was the deal with the pizza place, though? Because the story was this shit happened in the basement, but the place didn't even have a basement, right?

• 13:17Speaker 02

  That's what they say.

• 13:19Danny Jones?

  Is there proof of that? Like, didn't somebody go in there?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Well, the guy went in with the gun. And I think there are people who have tried to.

• 13:25Danny Jones?

  I mean, after that, like people.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think there are people who have tried to.

• 13:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  I think there are people who have tried to. What I will, what I will break on your show is that since the Epstein stuff, since we've kind of been vindicated through all this, I have had a lot of people who have come to me and said, you were right 10 years ago. 10 years ago, I was too afraid to say something, but I'm going to show you this, this, this. And what I will tell you is there is a basement in that pizza parlor.

• 13:54Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 13:57Danny Jones?

  You have images to prove it?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 14:00Danny Jones?

  No fucking way.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  So we're putting, we're putting that together i- in the form of a full film that we'll be releasing soon. But it blew my mind because I didn't believe there was. I thought this was just, you know, it became part of the conspiracy because the thing is whether there's a basement or not.

• 14:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  The, the, the concept of pizza gate is still true. There are powerful people who ritualistically and systematically abuse small children.

• 14:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  And a lot of those people are around the largest centers of power in this country. Right? Whether they be the, the tech centers, the political centers, the financial centers, that's where they are. That regardless of this one pizza place is true, but

• 14:45Speaker 02

  turns out the other part's true as well.

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• 16:14Speaker 02

  Exactly. So there is a, and you go back to 2007, I believe. And it's an FBI document at the time. And it was for internal use. It was later declassified. But for internal use, there are certain symbols that they use within these communities to communicate their preferences, because there's lots of different kinds of preferences. And one of them is a symbol for boy love or boy lover. And it is a triangle within triangles that goes all the way around. In the story, you can see it very clearly. Well, that pizza place under the name Best of Pizza had that in their logo. It was turned sideways, but it's, it's the same symbol. Now you can say, well, maybe he just likes the triangle and didn't realize what it was, or some graphic artist.

• 16:54Danny Jones?

  These logos are the symbols?

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. And then the other thing that happens. Yep, that's it in the middle. So the logo for boy lover, and then you see the way they they built out the symbol.

• 17:05Danny Jones?

  They put some cheese on it and some dots.

• 17:09Danny Jones?

  And then that's the final one. They changed it to on the very right.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Correct. They removed, they removed the centerpiece of it. But what's also interesting about this, and Steve, you can probably find this too. And if you go to my original story, it's the image is in there. So that alone doesn't mean anything, right? It could be coincidental. However, the guy who owned the place had all these indie bands who would come in. And they had really weird names. Sex stains was one of them. I can't remember what the second one was. Right. But they, but those bands, one of them had a music video, and a lot of their music was about.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  But they had a music video in which the drummer on the front of their drum set has that boy lover symbol.

• 17:49Danny Jones?

  What?

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Colored not like the pizza logo, colored like the FBI.

• 17:54Danny Jones?

  What the fuck, dude?

• 17:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I think, you know, this idea, and again, you know, I'm not here to to claim anything about the guy specifically who owns it. I have no evidence that he's done anything to anyone, so I don't want to claim that he has. What I'm saying, though, is that there is, there were a lot of questions that were around the story. So my original story was simply to say this, why hasn't this actually been investigated by anyone with power to investigate it? Why is it only online people who are talking about it? One of the things that stood out to me about the guy who owned the place is that he had been named in 2013 or 2014, I think, maybe 2015. GQ magazine had named him one of the 50 most powerful people in Washington DC.

• 18:37Danny Jones?

  A pizza shop owner?

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, in some strip mall in DC. It's like DC has 100 senators. It has the president and his cabinet.

• 18:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  The whole administration. It has the Supreme Court. It has 435 members of Congress.

• 18:54Danny Jones?

  What's this guy's name?

• 18:56Speaker 02

  James Alafontas.

• 18:57Danny Jones?

  James Alafontas. See if you can find that. GQ.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  GQ.

• 19:01Danny Jones?

  James, type in GQ, James Alafontas, see what you can find.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  See if it's been scrubbed. If it's, if it has been scrubbed, it's also in the original story, the image of it.

• 19:07Danny Jones?

  So when you brought all this to the higher ups at the news channel, they were, they were like, cool, let's do it, see what happens.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, I remember I asked the guy, because it took so many weeks after that guy had walked in with his gun. It took so many weeks to put this together and really investigate it.

• 19:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  That by the time I took to him, I said to him, so it's ready to go. My only question is, do you still want to run it? Because it's been so many weeks.

• 19:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  He read through the story and he said, I don't see why we wouldn't run it. Like, you're the only one who's talking about this and it's all here. It's like, there's nothing you can look at, I would argue, that you can look at on that story and say, well, that's not true. Like, everything we pointed out was true. Now, some people could say, well, maybe you're connecting things that you don't have the right to connect, maybe. So challenge it.

• 19:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Right? Tell me where it's wrong.

• 19:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  But again, our point was that, and even today, like, I interviewed Michael Tracy, who's a very smart guy on Substack. He's a good journalist, but he's kind of a contrarian.

• 20:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  For the sake of it. There you go.

• 20:05Danny Jones?

  This is him.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:07Danny Jones?

  My God, he's number forty nine of the top fifty most influential people in Washington. That is absurd.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Not influential, it's just powerful.

• 20:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, powerful.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:22Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ, dude.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  And you own a single pizza shop.

• 20:28Danny Jones?

  So it wasn't a chain, it was just one off.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not a chain. It's his own, his own place. And the reason he got dragged into the whole thing is because he's all over Podesta's emails, communicating with Podesta about pizza. So that's how people traced it to him specifically. That's why he got dragged into it.

• 20:46Danny Jones?

  And then the whole thing about Podesta's brother and his house with all those paintings and all that creepy ass artwork that he has in his house.

• 20:56Danny Jones?

  It just adds a whole nother layer to this thing. Like, what the fuck are these people really doing?

• 20:59Speaker 02

  It does add another layer, and I think when you, when you, again, it's so interesting because the sourcing for that isn't some internet sleuth who was like, oh, I found out what he's got, Tony Podesta has in his house. Tony Podesta had, I believe it was from the Washington Post, had some lifetime editor who years before had walked through his house to show off all of his artwork.

• 21:20Danny Jones?

  Bragging about it.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there, and there, it's a glowing piece written about his kind of risque artwork. His risque artwork is like little girls lined up bare bottomed with, with their asses are red, where they've been spanked, right? They've been disciplined. Um, he had, he had, uh, there it is, uh, Jeffrey Dahmer, that's the pose of how Jeffrey Dahmer left some of his victims.

• 21:42Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what that piece of art is, the headless, body twisted like that, hanging in his foyer. And that is the, uh, the way Jeffrey Dahmer left some of them.

• 21:52Danny Jones?

  And he's posing in front of it like this. There's, yeah, there's way sicker shit than this, too. There's like weird shit with like kids all lined up, like chained together and stuff.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  It's very, very perverse stuff. And by the way, I would argue, this is something else we're working on as part of this new film we're gonna put together.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  There is a, there is a.

• 22:13Danny Jones?

  Look at that one, that thing with the big, long, like sloth hands.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at that.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Now, is that, is that in his place?

• 22:22Danny Jones?

  I don't know if that's in his place or not.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's pretty weird.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  But there's, there is a correlation, I would argue, between what these, I don't want to say these, right? I want to get sued, between what child, these child ritualistic predators do and cannibalism. There is definitely a correlation between those two worlds. And the reason I say that is like, again, if you go into like what Podesta has there, right? Why, why would Tony Podesta have artwork that celebrates the victims of a cannibal? John Podesta, his brother, whose emails were leaked, in his campaign office, and you can look this one up too, in his campaign office for Hillary Clinton, when he was working for her as chief of staff,

• 23:11Speaker 02

  he has a painting of a doctor eating one of his patients. And so there's a lot of like cannibalistic stuff that, that fits into that. And I think when you start to dig in on the Epstein stuff. So Epstein's a complicated story because he, I keep describing it to people like this. From what I can understand, it's like a series of rings, right? The widest ring is like, just because you're in one of Jeffrey Epstein's emails, doesn't mean you're even.

• 23:38Danny Jones?

  Yes, that's a great way to put it.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  Right. That's a good way to put it. That outer ring, that's a lot of people in there. Because that was his job. Part of what he did as an intelligence asset is he's just going to connect with as many people as he can.

• 23:47Danny Jones?

  I talked to lots of scientists that have done just one-off Zoom calls with the guy, just because he was interested in whatever they were looking at. And they knew, like, why wouldn't I do this? This guy's funded all my smartest people I know.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:57Danny Jones?

  You know what I mean?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely. He, he was a, a.

• 24:02Danny Jones?

  What are you looking for? Oh, the doctor photo?

• 24:08Danny Jones?

  Type in, type in.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that was in the Tony Podesta home. Those are the, the girls who were.

• 24:14Danny Jones?

  He said it was a doctor eating patient. Typed out.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  And that was also a, a write-up that was done, I think by the Washington Post about his, his.

• 24:26Danny Jones?

  Is that on the clown? No.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  No. I would recognize it if I saw it.

• 24:32Danny Jones?

  Keep looking Steve, you'll find it.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  See, some of this stuff gets scrubbed and that's what's interesting too.

• 24:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Google curates this shit dude, big time.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  When you, when you find stuff along the way, I've tried to save as much as I can because that stuff disappears in a very odd way.

• 24:46Danny Jones?

  It does, it really does. Also, the ring analogy, it's great.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  So, yeah, so that widest ring, there's lots of people, and you're absolutely right too. Like, when you're as wealthy as Jeffrey Epstein is and you can fund a lot of stuff, why, why wouldn't people talk to him, especially when they don't know?

• 24:59Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  So you have that wider ring, then you had us, and this is a pretty kind of crude analogy because obviously you're trying to draw lines without really understanding the lines. But I would say the next ring up is that, okay, there are people who, hey, maybe we go a little bit deeper. I'm into some weird stuff like cloning and I want human experimentation and let's do gene modification and sperm modification. You gotta be a little more twisted to start moving towards that world.

• 25:24Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Then you get into a ring of people that I would say is the, hey, by the way, we have some fun on our island. You know, if you like girls, I'm not talking about kids, I'm talking about girls who are like 17, they're barely where they're not supposed to be, or maybe they're 18 or maybe they're 19.

• 25:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  And you get there and you don't even know the girl's like 17 instead of 19.

• 25:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Because that's also part of the honey trap.

• 25:44Danny Jones?

  25 and you would never know.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  And that's part of the game.

• 25:47Danny Jones?

  Yes, 100%. And we don't know who fits in what circle either.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  We have no idea.

• 25:51Danny Jones?

  By the limited hangout of the emails that we'd gotten because we have, you know, for example, Elon Musk could be totally fucking innocent, but we had emails of him going back and forth with Epstein about wanting to go to the island. We have no proof that he ever went. Does it seem like he went?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:03Danny Jones?

  But like, there's, there's, there's a huge gap there in our knowledge of who, who fits in what part of that circle.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Well, and then we know that like the, the Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, right? We know that he lied and he went to the island.

• 26:16Danny Jones?

  Fucking liar.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  He took his kids to the island.

• 26:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  But we don't know he did anything on the island, right?

• 26:20Danny Jones?

  We did know he fucking lied through his teeth.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  We know he lied about it.

• 26:22Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  So that becomes a bigger problem. The bigger problem is that if you did nothing wrong, why'd you lie? Why'd you pretend that you never, you were never?

• 26:30Danny Jones?

  And why the fuck does he still have a job? That's my question.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:34Danny Jones?

  How's like I still the fucking Commerce Secretary when he lived 10 steps away from Jeffrey Epstein and lied to fuck everybody in the most condescending theatrical way? On that stupid podcast, whatever that thing was called Pod Save America, whatever it was.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what it was.

• 26:46Danny Jones?

  Um, yeah, anyways.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  So then you have those that circle and there's a circle of men who I think were brought there and and they were they were supposed to be honey trapped, right? That's the whole point of it.

• 26:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  But then you have that kind of darkest circle, which is the very top one, right? Which is the so for very select people, there is a ritualistic abusive

• 27:11Speaker 02

  element that's focused on very young, small children. In some cases, kids as small as infants or babies.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  And it also seems to be tied into kind of a satanic belief. So there's like a satanic element to that. It's ritualistic, it's and it's very focused on very young children. And it absolutely exists. It is absolutely within every power structure, it seems like. And there are people who are in those circles who are running around with lots of other powerful people who have no idea that they're in it.

• 27:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  So I think where we where people make the mistake is you think, well, it's like it's like the Illuminati, right? The people at the very, very top, they're all in on it. No, they're not all in on it. There's a very select group of people who are in on it. And those people believe they they are deriving power from this. They think it's giving them power over everyone else.

• 28:09Danny Jones?

  Where does this derive from? Where does this where does this come from, this belief?

• 28:13Speaker 02

  I I think a lot of it comes from kind of a satanic. A lot of people are now more familiar with this Baal worship or Baal worship.

• 28:20Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Um, that comes out of Canaanite and and Hebrew theology.

• 28:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Um, I think it's related to that, but I think it's really just more of kind of like this this satanic belief. And there's also a belief within those circles that there is there is absolutely a God and there is a devil. And they absolutely believe in heaven and hell. But where they seem to have a very different view when we think of heaven and hell versus how they view it. They view hell as a place that has hierarchy.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  And so they're not afraid of hell. They believe that if they are, they are sentenced to hell, that they will rule hell, that they'll be the elites within that society as well. That is part of that belief system.

• 29:08Danny Jones?

  It's just really hard for me to fathom how anyone could fall into that and believe something like that, you know, just from my perspective. And I always, I always wonder, is that, does all this crazy shit just come with the territory of being like a super billionaire who has leverage and is that like the very top tier of society and can basically, you know, you can get away with anything you want and just you have the entire world at your disposal? Because it kind of goes back in history. It goes pretty far back in history down to like the Greco-Roman period and like the, the, the Roman emperors doing very similar shit.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's, I think it's a very old spiritual problem.

• 29:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  I think it is a religious problem that is older than what we call religion today, right? I think it transcends every generation. But I think there is a, and I, and I believe that there are very real, like there is very real spiritual darkness in this world. And I think these people tap into it. And I think it's what, some of what pulls them deeper and deeper into this stuff. Because you have to think about, it's one thing to kind of have weird or perverse tendencies. But when you're talking about things that involve, you know, children and babies, like where does someone find that inside them? And then

• 30:43Speaker 02

  where does someone find it inside them to do this repeatedly? The other thing that I think is fascinating as I've, as I've

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Viewed this world trying to understand it and trying to piece together who's connected and where is that we have a tendency, I think, to think about child predators, especially as like the lone weirdo in a basement someplace, right?

• 31:07Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  And they're sending files to somebody over here, somebody, it was a comedian. And he was just, he was, he was making a joke, but he said, what's the deal with like, it sounds like Jerry Seinfeld, what's the deal? What's the deal with like Epstein writing to everyone? It's like, dear billionaire friend, would you like to come to my island and my children? And they're like, oh, Jeffrey, it sounds like a wonderful time. I'll bring so and so, and so, and so, right? And they all share this information and like they're incriminating themselves.

• 31:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Why, why do it this way? Well, in part because part of Jeffrey Epstein's job was to incriminate you. It was to, it was to get you to admit certain things. But the other thing is, is that there is, again, there is a belief within this where at a certain level, they believe they have to involve other people with this. So they, at least at this highest circle, they do not believe like they're operating independently because this is like their own like weird fetish and I have this thing and I'm so ashamed of it. They're not ashamed of it at all. They're actually very proud of it. And so they try to bring in other people and they brag to each other. They brag about the age of the kid and they brag about what the child looked like.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  They brag about whether the child was terrified when certain things were happening. They, they describe this stuff in detail and almost to the point of trying to compete with each other. And so I think it's if, if you're a normal person who doesn't ever have any inclination towards this world, it's so foreign, it's almost impossible to understand like what they're doing.

• 32:40Danny Jones?

  It really is.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:41Danny Jones?

  There really is. But those emails do seem to corroborate a lot of the original things that came out in the Pizzagate stuff.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Absolutely. How about 911 times Jeffrey Epstein is writing to people about pizza?

• 32:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  And not one time is it actually have any of those emails have to do with an actual name of a pizza restaurant. Or pizza receipt, or a specific order for pizza. Never. It's conversations with people that's clearly, when you read them, it's coded language. It's very clear that it's coded language.

• 33:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and there was one specifically on, I know, I know that Gmail, a lot of us has been pulled back on that. Like they originally, we had access to all of it, I think. And then they pulled the DOJ somehow like redacted more of it, or somehow just

• 33:28Speaker 02

  They started deleting those files.

• 33:29Danny Jones?

  They started deleting them. So Gmail wouldn't have access to them or whatever. But I remember one specifically where one of the girls was emailing another girl. It's like, oh my God, great news. I hope you're sitting down or whatever. Jeffrey wants to have pizza with you and blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, I know you know what this means. Winky face, winky face.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Literally says, I know you know what this means.

• 33:50Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  If somebody, if I send you an email and say, hey, I want to have pizza with you, I wouldn't have to follow it with, I know you know what this means, because I would think you would know what would mean.

• 33:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Pizza.

• 33:58Danny Jones?

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• 34:42Danny Jones?

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• 35:26Speaker 02

  Yep

• 35:26Danny Jones?

  What happened after that thing aired?

• 35:28Speaker 02

  So the next day came into work, the story blew up overnight. I think we had three million views in like eight hours on it. And again, today that would be even easier to do. It's a lot harder to do that in in 2016. Coming the next day and they're freaking out. We're pulling the story down. We gotta take it down.

• 35:46Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  What's happened in the network CBS network was calling and freaking out. Podesta's were calling their lawyers were calling. Yeah. Why would you guys put this on the air? How could you allow this to be out there? And so, you know, so the the first accusation was that I had gone rogue and done this on my own. Nope. Here's the sign off from all these people. Everybody knew this story was coming. Like we did. Oh, and then, well, and at the time I was running an independent project at the same time that I've been doing for about, I'm still doing it. So at the time, it had been six years. It's called the Truth and Media Project. So while I was working for CBS, I also had this independent work that was going on.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  And so then they jumped to that. Well, well, you're not supposed to do this or this or this. And I'm like, nope, in my contract, I can do it. I showed them everything.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  So basically they said, all right, here's the deal. So either we're gonna give you an option. We're gonna fire you and you can sue us and that'll take you forever to deal with that. Or you can stay here working for us, but you have to turn off all your social media.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  And I thought it was a bizarre request. Like, so no Facebook, no YouTube, no X or Twitter, right? None of it. Got to turn it all off. Go dark completely.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  So I was like, well, I had five kids and a wife. And I was like, okay. Right. What's, what's the point of even saying no to that? So I couldn't do what? So we turned everything off. It was off for a year. And I continue to be their anchor. So a lot of people thought I was dead.

• 37:16Danny Jones?

  My God, they thought you were a clown.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  They killed him. But no, I was still sitting on the nightly news in Atlanta every night, you know? Four, five, six and 10 and and my face was still on billboards in Atlanta. But the online world, it was like he just. Gone.

• 37:34Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I did that for a year and then I had a chance through in 2018 because crypto had done so well. I had some guys who were fans who were part of a crypto project that had a marketing budget. And they said, hey, you want to bring back the stuff you were doing independently? And we can, we'll sponsor it. And I said, yeah, let's do it. So went back after a year and said to my bosses, so you guys have been in violation of my contract for a year. So I'm starting to do this stuff again, turn it back on. This is the day that I'm turning it back on. And they were like, okay, we'll think about it. And I walked out, they called, you're fired.

• 38:03Danny Jones?

  Wow, dude.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  So that was my, that was my last stint in, in local, last stint working for corporate media. And just I've done everything independent since.

• 38:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, the attacks that people would get for covering this kind of stuff. It created this huge barrier between people where it's like, if you get anywhere close to even considering any of that crazy shit like pizza gate, QAnon, any of that crap, it was just radioactive, right? And it, and it wasn't that long ago, right? 10 years ago, roughly. And today it's just like the norm.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:40Danny Jones?

  Like this kind of stuff is no big deal. Like if, if Israel launched a nuke tomorrow and a UFO stopped it, like, okay, what's for dinner?

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Like, what is that?

• 38:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  And I think what that is honestly is that, well, first of all, at the time in 2016, again, so this was just the beginning of the attempted censorship model for social. So a couple of things that happened to me that were very interesting was one, making me take all my stuff down, which told me at the time, yeah, I was like, mm. So this is even before Alex Jones got pulled from anything, right? This happens to me.

• 39:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  It was in, it wasn't until two years later that Alex Jones was actually forced off of YouTube. So at that moment I was like, okay, so there's something so powerful about what's happening with social and online communities. That's what they're scared of because they don't care if you're sitting on, on TV every night, right? They don't have any problem with that. Well, of course they don't because nobody watches freaking local TV anyway. There's no influence. But online was where the influence was. The other thing that happened was.

• 39:43Danny Jones?

  What is this? Oh, is that?

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that's it.

• 39:47Danny Jones?

  Is that top left?

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:51Danny Jones?

  What is this like a screenshot or something?

• 39:55Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, what the fuck dude? Goats carrying cages with like baby dolls in there?

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Look at, look at the, the top one up here with the children on the table.

• 40:09Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  So everything is these faceless.

• 40:16Speaker 02

  So there's a lot of these, these, these kind of like um faceless images and then like the little kids, there's a lot of those. You probably came across some with on the beds and stuff, right? Yeah, there's stuff where they're on beds and there's an adult up on top of one of the kids. Other kids are standing around the bed watching. It's, I mean, this is what they call art.

• 40:39Danny Jones?

  An oil painting on loan from his brother Tony shows two men holding knives and forks leaning over a dining room table where a man in a suit lay. When asked about the paintings by Time Magazine, John said, "It's better to be a guy with a fork than a guy on the table." And it isn't a painting depicting surgery, it's depicting cannibalism.

• 41:01Danny Jones?

  Fucking crazy.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's a twisted, there's a twisted, twisted part to this. The other thing is there's a woman named, and you will find a lot of her stuff, you've probably already seen it as you're, as you're going through that stuff. Named Marina Abramovich, who is a performance artist. This is gonna be, by the way, great for your Patreon channel. Cause so much of this is gonna have to get bleeped.

• 41:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, for people on YouTube, I'm very, very sorry. There's gonna be lots of bleeps or muted areas of this podcast, but the full unedited version will be on Patreon.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  There you go. So you need to go there to hear all this stuff. Yeah, the, so she is a performance artist and one of the things she does is something called spirit cooking. Have you heard of this?

• 41:43Danny Jones?

  No.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  So spirit cooking is performance art using blood and semen. And you were drinking both blood and semen as part of this. It's spirit cooking. You're making this little mix. Um, she does a lot of this stuff. A lot of her performance art involves images of children or depictions of children, sexual abuse themes run through almost everything she does. Sexual abuse for adults as well. Um, and then like I said, a lot of the spirit cooking stuff. So there's a lot of these spirit cooking conversations with John Podesta in the emails where she's inviting him to another spirit cooking event and come to this thing.

• 42:18Danny Jones?

  What?

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of it. Um, and so she's heavily tied into this as far as kind of representing, I think for a lot of people, that kind of satanic element, right? So her name goes away. And then it's so interesting because there is a direct connection all the way back into the Epstein stuff, which is that, uh, so Epstein was very close to, uh, the little dictator over in Ukraine, Zelensky.

• 42:44Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  They were very close.

• 42:46Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a bunch of emails between the two of them. They had lunch together multiple times. Um, Epstein was very involved in Ukraine since 2014. He was very excited about the US leg coup there, wrote an email describing it as being very, um, uh, very good for us and saying there were, uh, many, many possibilities that would take place because of the destabilization of Ukraine, uh, and the fact that the US overthrew the leader there and installed their own guy. When Zelensky was running, he, he liked Zelensky. Uh, he wrote an email to someone basically saying Zelensky was an idiot and doesn't know anything, but that's why he would be easy to manipulate.

• 43:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  And then they had a lot of meetings together. Well, flash forward all the way to 2023, the war is going on between Russia and Ukraine. And while that war is going on, Zelensky invites performance artist Marina Abramovich to come to Ukraine and to become an ambassador, not to Ukraine, an ambassador for Ukraine. And she's not even Ukrainian. She's Romanian, but he wanted her to come and be an ambassador for Ukraine. And you can't make this stuff up. Her specific area would be to be the ambassador for the children who were orphaned by this war.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  The spirit cooking artist who's all over the pizza gate emails, who's all over this stuff talking about, you know, the, and by the way, cannibalism is a huge part of her performance art, too. There's, there's pictures of her and Lady Gaga at some event where they have like a, a human body. Yep, there it is. Lying in this thing and they're eating off of it.

• 44:24Danny Jones?

  What the, this is her? The Abramovich girl did this?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  So, yeah. So Abramovich is the one with the spoon and mouth next to Lady Gaga.

• 44:31Danny Jones?

  What the fuck?

• 44:33Speaker 02

  On the right.

• 44:35Danny Jones?

  If you want to see this, we'll, we'll link it below for people. But this is insane.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 44:42Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, this is her artwork?

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 44:48Danny Jones?

  Keep going down?

• 44:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we can't show this or else we'll get this shit, uh, nuked off YouTube.

• 44:58Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 45:00Danny Jones?

  I don't understand it. I don't understand. And, and you know, what is really frustrating also is when you see Hillary Clinton getting deposed in that recent deposition where they're questioning her about this stuff. And they're like, sorry, we're going to ask you a lot of questions, uh, about some stuff like pizza gate. And she's like in this condescending tone, like, yes, I know you are. You guys are very weird for doing this, like trying to like, you know, play this weird psychological game with them as if like, it's, it's the media's fault for being so crazy trying to ask her about these questions when, you know, it's her and these people in power that are like quite obviously guilty of something. I don't know what, but like

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 45:43Danny Jones?

  There, there's, there's so much smoke, where's the fire, you know? There definitely is a fire somewhere.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, when she was deposed about it and they asked her, what was her, um, belief about it? She said, it's a disgusting theory that's been debunked. So

• 45:59Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  John Podesta says it all the time, too. It's debunked. They love that word.

• 46:02Danny Jones?

  By who? Who debunked it?

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Exactly. And what part of it was debunked? What specifically was debunked?

• 46:08Danny Jones?

  The problem is all these people are fucking lawyers and they're just, they're just good at like using words in a way. Just like that guy Todd Blanch did the other day with the Epstein stuff. They're questioning about the Epstein files, like, what do you mean by the Epstein files? Can you define the Epstein files? And I sent you a video of this the other day. It's like, it's just so infuriating how these people are so slick and have this way of just obfuscating the question and getting around it and not answering it. They're just like, they're, it's just because they're so good at manipulating language. Yeah. It's just so blatantly obvious what you're doing.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, he goes all the way back to Bill Clinton, remember? He said, it depends on what the definition of is is.

• 46:53Danny Jones?

  Yes. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Play this, play this clip, Steve. Throw these on and hear it.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  I want to go on to the Epstein investigation. Is it closed or open?

• 47:05Speaker 04

  When you say the Epstein investigation, what are you referring to, Senator?

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Well, the FBI said in, in last year in July that it had closed the Epstein investigation. So I'm just using their words. Is it open or closed?

• 47:16Speaker 04

  I don't believe the FBI said that.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, if you're referring, you're head of the Department of Justice. Is the Epstein investigation open or closed?

• 47:25Speaker 04

  But I guess I don't understand what Epstein investigation means.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  I want to go on to the Epstein.

• 47:30Danny Jones?

  I don't know what the Epstein investigation means.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Actually, fair question. Yeah. What is the Epstein investigation? Cause we haven't investigated anything at this point.

• 47:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I just, I think it's crazy that it's legal. It's crazy that it's legal for like people to run for public office on one thing. And then once they get in completely do a 180. No, I feel like a lot of people feel betrayed by the Trump administration because he came in and his whole idea, just 30,000 foot idea was to end corruption. It was drain the swamp, right? And it was to prosecute all the crimes of people that did insider trading, whatever it may be, just corruption in general, secrecy. And it's just the complete fucking opposite, man.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  It is.

• 48:22Danny Jones?

  It like is the swamp. And that's why I feel like, you know, I feel a lot, not just me, a lot of people really feel betrayed.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:28Danny Jones?

  By all this shit, man.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  I just, I just came down from Kentucky. I spent

• 48:32Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Covering the Thomas Massie primary, interviewed Massey on Monday, day before, and then was, was at his event. And, you know, the guy he was running against is Ed Gowron. It was just a joke.

• 48:45Danny Jones?

  Who is that guy?

• 48:46Speaker 02

  It's a joke. No two of them. He refused to debate, eight debates. He refused to debate even one time, didn't do events. It was, it was just like Biden in 2020 when he's, he basically hid in the basement the whole time.

• 48:56Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  That's what this guy did. He just hid in the basement. He didn't do anything. He's a horrible candidate. Massey made an interesting comment about him. He said, he said, Ed Gowron is the first person I've ever heard. He said, most people will get into office, like you just said, and they do a 180 on what they said they would do. He said, Ed Gowron's the first guy who's running for office saying, I won't do anything. I'll just do what I'm told. He's not making any campaign promises.

• 49:20Danny Jones?

  Well, he made one promise.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  What was that?

• 49:23Danny Jones?

  To bring back the draft.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. He is talking about that, isn't he?

• 49:27Danny Jones?

  That's, that's the one, that's the one thing I heard him say.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Crazy is that?

• 49:30Danny Jones?

  How, I don't understand how this, it does feel like the 2020 thing when Biden was in the basement.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:34Danny Jones?

  This guy did nothing.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Nothing.

• 49:36Danny Jones?

  And I think Massey's won every single time that he has won. It's been by like 70 to 80%.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Yep. And it was, you know, there's a lot of people saying online, whether or not it was, you know, there were mail-in ballots that came in and there was all these, I don't know if it's true or not. I will tell you, just being on the ground there, all the enthusiasm was for Massey. However, when I would talk to people who were door knockers, they were not terribly confident. They said, this is going to be tight because they said, there are these boomers who sit in their house with Fox News running on their TV all day long.

• 50:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  And they, and they'll just, and they'll say, I'm not voting for him. He's a terrible guy. He's a Democrat. And they're like, this guy's been your congressman for 10 years, 12 years.

• 50:19Danny Jones?

  He's funded by jihadists.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. He's taking money from Iran.

• 50:23Danny Jones?

  In Kentucky?

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the jihadis are funding it. Kentucky Congressman.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Meanwhile, and they're always going to accuse you of the thing they're doing, right? Israel is Israel is running this thing with twenty million dollars, twenty five million, thirty, however much it ends up being at the end of it. And it's three billionaires, three billionaires basically were the ones who did all of the funding. I just saw some crazy thing the other day where they were claiming that Massey was taking all of his money from super PACs. Money did not come from super PACs. Massey's money came from people donating fifty dollars at a time and he raised fifteen million in that race. And when I, when we were at his, his concession speech, right? And I'm standing there and people are going nuts.

• 51:04Danny Jones?

  In the crowd?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're going nuts. Like I've never seen a concession speech with that much enthusiasm. And they're just, and they're chanting out in twenty twenty eight, they're chanting president, run for president. I think he's actually gonna run. I think that based on what's happened with this race, it's, it's so funny because Trump in twenty twenty, Democrats spent the next four years just trying to wipe him off the face of the earth to make sure he would have no chance to run again. They actually made him a martyr. They made him sympathetic.

• 51:31Danny Jones?

  Had his Streisand effect.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  They made people like him, right? Maybe I didn't like him before, but now like you keep trying to destroy this guy. You've tried to bury him, you tried to kill him. So you get, you start winning over people who are saying if they hate you that much, there must be something to you. I feel like the exact same thing is happening right now with Thomas Massie.

• 51:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and I don't understand how the people that are funding the other guy, whatever his name is, what's his name?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Ed Gowron.

• 51:54Danny Jones?

  And I, I don't understand how they can't foresee what the, what the third level domino effect of this is gonna be. And how people, especially young people are gonna react to this and how it's gonna propel him even farther. And it's gonna have a huge Streisand effect. Where people are just going to resent, you know, the, the idea of a foreign lobby influencing America and they're becoming more aware of like all this bullshit with Israel and fucking these fighting these stupid wars and bringing us into, you know, Iran and the whole Gaza thing and all that. And, um, yeah, I just, I, I don't understand it. I don't understand how

• 52:39Danny Jones?

  they could be so short sighted as to where this will play out in the next three years.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  Well, part of the problem is, is that all the billionaires who were funding it are very, very old. So they don't really care what it looks like in three years. However. It is, it's ironic because everything Trump touches, he elevates, right? Whether you like Trump or don't like him, he just has that effect.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  And that includes bashing somebody. So the more he has bashed Thomas Massie, the more famous he has made him. He's actually elevated his profile. You wanna, you wanna weaken Thomas Massie? You wanna keep him so that he doesn't have an effect? It shouldn't have bothered him at all. Let him run his little piddly race in Kentucky's fourth congressional district. And yeah, you got this one annoying guy in Congress who keeps making noise, but you got 434 others that you can just basically override everything he's doing anyways. So do that. And instead, they just wanna go after this one guy to make an example of him. And I'm telling you, man, they have raised his profile to the point where Thomas Massie, I, I've known him since 2012 when I was working in Cincinnati.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  So I was an anchor in Cincinnati. And when he ran the first time, I interviewed him before he got elected. I interviewed him afterwards. I, I love the guy. I think he is like totally legit. The stuff he says he's gonna do, he's been doing that stuff for 14 years. He's exactly the same. You know, I told him when I saw him though, I said, you got a little older. I said, man, you had a glow up. Cause he was like, had this like curly hair and the glasses and stuff.

• 54:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. He looked kiki before, yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Somebody, somebody says, uh, Thomas Massie went from being Harry Potter to Robert E. Lee.

• 54:16Danny Jones?

  He did. It's so true.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  He's got the, the trimmed beard now and he looks fantastic, man. His, his wife's got him looking good. She's, I, he says, she picked out this jacket and I said, she's doing good, man.

• 54:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah. Give him, give him 12 more months. He's gonna be jacked, dude.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. Just get him on tea.

• 54:32Danny Jones?

  Couple tattoos, he can start riding Harley.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Well, you know, he's got seven months in office.

• 54:37Danny Jones?

  Seven months left, right?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, because even though, you know, he was defeated. No, not really, because he's got seven months where he can, he, he pointed out that it was the day of the election was six months to the day of the Epstein Transparency, Files Transparency Act. He's like, and, and he listed all the different people from, you know, the World Economic Forum to Prince Andrew to, um, the different ambassadors who have all been fired or arrested since the Epstein files came out.

• 55:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  And he says, and that was in six months, I still have seven to go. Right? But I believe that, that what Thomas Massie is recognizing is he's inheriting.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  A sizable portion of that MAGA coalition. Now, if you listen to a lot of these online influencers, they're going to tell you, oh, MAGA is fine. MAGA is not fine. MAGA, as it stands today, is a boomer party, is what it's become. You've lost the independents. You've lost the young men who turned out to vote, all those podcast listeners who listen to shows like yours who said, I'm going to give this guy a shot, right? Who don't even vote. Right? You've lost them. You've lost the Maha, the Make America Healthy Again Moms. That was a big part of that coalition. You've lost the libertarians. That was a huge part of your coalition because they finally voted for Trump saying, no more wars. At least he'll give us that. Right. Didn't give you that.

• 55:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  I would say at least a third of that coalition has no place to go. And they have now adopted Thomas Massie as their unofficial leader, and they're moving to him.

• 56:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, totally, totally. And how do you go from, like, again, like, back to what I was saying, how, how do you have, like, a real country when you can literally become the leader by saying, for example, I'm going to release all the Epstein files. And then when you get in saying, if you say, if you want to talk about Epstein, you're not MAGA. You're not MAGA, whatever.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:27Danny Jones?

  Like, it's okay for Republicans to talk about anything except for Epstein, right? And the one guy who is, won't shut up about Epstein and who wants to get all the Epstein files out, get them all transparent.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 56:39Danny Jones?

  That's the guy we're going to focus on. We're going to fucking take him out.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  But again, the only way you're going to resolve that is you've got to get somebody who's willing to run and say, I will do this. And you've got to be able to believe they will. So the problem is, is that now we're seeing, because, you know, it was interesting, prior to 2024, everyone on the right said, release the Epstein files.

• 57:00Danny Jones?

  Yes. It's the most bipartisan story of my lifetime.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And now you have all these people on the right who are like, oh, there's nothing to this story. Laura Loomer just put out a thing saying, it's a hoax.

• 57:11Danny Jones?

  I saw that.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Like, what part is a hoax? So Epstein wasn't real. There's no black book.

• 57:17Danny Jones?

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• 58:39Speaker 02

  And you know what the other thing that's interesting about Epstein? Because there is this effect of rewriting, like even recent history, where what we know about Jeffrey Epstein, he had a home in Palm Beach, he had a home in New York, he had the island, right? He had a home in New Mexico.

• 58:54Danny Jones?

  In Mexico, yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  We know from documented pictures and the original case that was made against him in Palm Beach all the way back in, what, 2008?

• 59:04Danny Jones?

  2006, I think.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  2006?

• 59:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  That Jeffrey Epstein, because his homes were raided, had, in every single one of his homes... And again, we're flashing back in time 20 years. This is not a common thing. He had a media room in every single one of his homes. Filled with, and they're not flat screen TVs back then, they're right, they're like those fat tube TVs. And they're mounted on the walls and he's got monitors everywhere and he's got cameras wired in every single room in his house. Again, 2026, most people have cameras all over their house if they want to have them, right? And they're all connected by Bluetooth.

• 59:41Danny Jones?

  My grandma's got a Ring doorbell.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, everyone has that stuff now. 20 years ago, nobody had that. Because that requires actually running wires through the entire house.

• 59:49Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  We also know that Epstein has storage units hidden all around the country.

• 59:57Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  What's in the storage units? You know what's in the storage units? It's all evidence because you don't have cameras set up all over your house that are recording, by the way, onto tape. Because 20 years ago, and even before that, 30 years ago, how long was he doing this? You're not recording on anything digital. These are recorded onto VHS tapes. These are recorded onto Beta tapes. And those physical tapes are sitting someplace. And we know that he has storage units hidden. If he was doing this in some kind of way that had nothing to do with blackmail, he wouldn't hide them around the country. You'd put them close to home. You'd put them in your basement where you could access them if you needed them. Instead, he had them hidden all over the place. So, you know, I just, I tend to try to remind people of that.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Because when you start to get fed this, well, maybe it really is nothing. Maybe it wasn't what we thought it was. Remember the facts of what we know about this guy and the facts of what he was doing. He absolutely was a honeypot and he has plenty of evidence on everyone.

• 1:00:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true. And there was even a New York Times article that had photos of his house in Palm Beach. And his house in New York, and I think including the island. And it literally showed the cameras there, right? And like.

• 1:01:11Danny Jones?

  At some level, I'm like, if some of these politicians and these high level people are going to his houses like Bill Clinton and, you know, Trump went to his townhouse in New York many, many times, according to, uh, I think it was Virginia Giuffre said that.

• 1:01:27Danny Jones?

  How are these people not seeing these cameras and not being aware of this stuff? Like, is there some level of like trust that's in the air where it's just like, okay, I'm here, like, let my hair down, let my guard down and I'm not worried about this, but, and also like when presidents traveled, like, don't they bring like insane security detail? That have to do like sweeps of the places before they go there and stuff like that, or when they even travel on planes and stuff? So, I don't know.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  There's no way a sitting president was going into those properties. Cause yes, Secret Service would be sweeping them.

• 1:02:02Danny Jones?

  They weren't sitting presidents at the time.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  But like Clinton, there are stories and people forget this too, there are stories. Cause he was on that Lolita Express plane dozens of times, somewhere like thirty or forty times, right? But what I thought was interesting, and I was reporting on this all the way back in like 2014. And even at that time, there were reports that the Secret Service who had worked with him would say that Bill Clinton would sign fake names to get on that manifest to get on the plane and he would dodge his security detail to get on the Lolita Express. There were multiple reports all the way back then that, so, so this claim that, oh, the only time that Clinton was ever with him was when he went with Kevin Spacey and they went to Africa and then they went on this trip and he went to the island a couple of times. He's all over that, that flight manifest for the Lolita Express.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  But again, according to the Secret Service, there are times he's signing someone else's name and he's dodging his detail and they have to go to the island separately from him in order to retrieve him.

• 1:02:58Danny Jones?

  And this is before or after he's president?

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  This is after he's president.

• 1:03:01Danny Jones?

  After he's president.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  But now, as a former president, you still have that security detail with you.

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  That's fucking bonkers.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:03:09Danny Jones?

  What do you make of that recent story? I think this was might have been two weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago now of the model who was the ex-wife of the guy who's now like, has some bullshit title in Trump's cabinet. He was a former model agency owner or something like this.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:03:27Danny Jones?

  Italian dude.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:03:29Danny Jones?

  Who came out and said something on Twitter and then Melania came out and made like a public statement.

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  Correct, because she, the wife who was Melania's best friend, who the report, the reports are that this friend was the one who introduced Melania to Jeffrey Epstein.

• 1:03:42Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Now, and, and the claim is.

• 1:03:44Danny Jones?

  Zampali, Zampali, Zampalo was the guy's name?

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's something like that.

• 1:03:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  And this, this, his wife, he, I guess he got ice to deport her?

• 1:03:54Danny Jones?

  Yes, that's correct.

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  She was deported back in, she's back in Brazil.

• 1:03:58Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  And then she said, I'm, I'm telling everything. So then apparently, I feel like the apparently kid, apparently.

• 1:04:05Danny Jones?

  Apparently Melania didn't decide she's going to hold this press conference and I heard

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  from people in the White House who said, nobody knew what she was going to say when she went out that day.

• 1:04:17Danny Jones?

  They didn't. Really?

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Staff was not informed, so nobody knew what that.

• 1:04:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there was Zampoli, this guy.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Can you, can you pull up the picture of his wife?

• 1:04:25Danny Jones?

  Again, why does a guy who's a former model agency owner have a fucking, what's his title?

• 1:04:33Danny Jones?

  He is the.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  I believe that is it.

• 1:04:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Amanda Ungaro, that sounds right, yep.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, there she is. So she was a model with Melania together.

• 1:04:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  The story is, is that she introduced Melania to Epstein and that the reason why Melania came out and gave this totally out of left field bizarre press conference and everybody's like, what, what did we talk, what, what's happening?

• 1:05:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  Uh, was that, because in it, she says, I did not meet Donald through Jeffrey Epstein. I met him separately at some club. Remember, she gave like a whole bunch of explanation as to how she and Donald met each other and they had nothing to do with Epstein and she didn't know Epstein. And there's all these pictures of her and Epstein together.

• 1:05:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  There's a lot of pictures of this.

• 1:05:20Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  So the, the claim is, is that when this woman was deported, Amanda was deported, she was like, I'm, I'm telling everything.

• 1:05:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  And that was why they.

• 1:05:31Danny Jones?

  Can you pull up her tweets? If there's a screenshot of her tweet, like what she said, because they were like, they were pretty. Sharp threats that she made of like destroying Melania with the information that she has. I'd be curious to see those and like see like if they're still up or if she deleted him. I thought she might have maybe deleted him.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Or somebody did.

• 1:05:51Danny Jones?

  Or somebody did. I'm not sure. Maybe somebody fucking deleted her. I'd be pretty afraid.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  I haven't heard anything from her.

• 1:05:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, I don't think anybody has, but that guy Paulo Zampoli, you know, he's come out and he's made some threats against people talking about him and stuff like that, saying that like his, again, no self-awareness with this guy and he needs to find a new fucking social media team, whoever's posting on his ex account. But they made some sort of posts on his ex account saying that anyone that talks about him and Epstein is gonna get some sort of like a lawsuit threat or whatever. He's trying to intimidate like journalists from talking about him, but good luck with that Paulo. I talk to people too all the time about this. This is like people that are saying like, look, man, I'm fucking tired of hearing about Epstein. I don't want to hear anymore about this Epstein shit. It's fucking, I'm over it. You guys have been beating it to death.

• 1:06:39Danny Jones?

  So unfortunately, at some level, they're, whatever they're doing is working.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Well, so there is a tactic there, right?

• 1:06:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  And the tactic is we're gonna put out like they did, three million files or we can give you a whole bunch of stuff.

• 1:06:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  We're gonna let everybody dig through this stuff. We're gonna let you make a big deal about it, talk and talk and talk and talk and talk. But at a certain point, because they've held back, so interestingly, if you look at the Epstein files, half the files are out. Three million of six million, but only 2% of the data is out. So the amount of data in those files, 98% is unreleased. Well, how can you do half of it and only do 2%? That means of the half that's not released is video. And that's what they're not releasing. You release that stuff, now you got a whole different story. So one thing that's been very tactical about the way the Epstein files have been released is by just releasing emails and stuff.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's some people who were interested in it and shocked by it. But if you hold back images where people don't ever have a mental picture, it goes away faster.

• 1:07:47Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes, that's very true. And also, wasn't there a huge chunk of missing emails from like 2000? What was it?

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  Oh, it's COVID.

• 1:07:59Danny Jones?

  No, I thought it was nine 11.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  That too.

• 1:08:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like the year, like the year leading up to nine 11 and like, and like a year after nine 11. There was like, there was a chart that came out that showed the dates of all the emails that were released. And there's a fucking year gap right there.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  Right. Nothing around nine 11.

• 1:08:16Danny Jones?

  All right, here's the Amanda Ungaro tweet from March 9th. No, April 9th, sorry. Hello, Melania. I was around you for 20 years. You knew I was inside ICE. And you know what hurts after all this time? I stayed close to your family, your mother and your father, not because of you, because of them.

• 1:08:37Danny Jones?

  At events and everything else. So shut your mouth when speaking about me. This is not, oh, because I will expose everything I know. This must have been after Melania.

• 1:08:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she must. I would be curious to see her first one.

• 1:08:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then there was the email with the shadow commission, the, would you like to be on the nine 11 shadow commission, the Ghislaine email? You know, I wonder how much of that, is it possible that any of that was like cherry picked? And like thrown in there with certain things redacted to be like, okay, this will ratchet up the schizophrenia in people and like just drive people crazy. Because they dropped all that shit on us with no analysis, right? If the FBI has had all this stuff for so long, well, isn't it your job to like? Give us a description of what your conclusion was to all of this and like what you've done about it or what you're gonna do about it.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:36Danny Jones?

  Or like what it, who was he? What, what is your actual conclusion of who the guy was? But there was none of that.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Well, there wasn't because there wasn't an investigation. There were multiple investigations where they just gathered information.

• 1:09:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  But no one was building a case against him. And I think that's the, the primary problem with the Epstein's case is that there is no actual case that was built. There was no case to say, we believe he is X, Y, or Z. But again, go all the way back to, you know, 2006 and Alexander Acosta.

• 1:10:08Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Right? Who was in the Trump administration the first time as the Labor Secretary.

• 1:10:12Danny Jones?

  Belongs to intelligence is what he said, right?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said that he was told it belongs to intelligence. When he was trying to, to put him away, he was told, you need to stand down because he belongs to intelligence.

• 1:10:22Danny Jones?

  What does that mean? Does that mean CIA?

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  So here's what I believe now, after all this, I believe that he was not CIA, nor was he Mossad. I think he was an equal opportunity, um, kind of intelligence for hire.

• 1:10:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Where, where they would come to him for specific people or wanted information on specific people and he would just gather it. However, having said that, I think he worked independently enough that if you went through CIA files, you're not going to find like a contract for him. But I do believe CIA and Mossad were both funding him.

• 1:10:52Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Right? But if they, if they do it off the books, then it's not a honey trap because you're not, if you fund the guy who's bringing all the girls in and bringing all the powerful people in, then you're the one who's entrapping everybody. But if you kind of pay him through the back door and he's taking all this in and now he's just a guy who has access and I can give you information on people. But what's also interesting to me is that people will say, well, who's the, who's Epstein now? Who's the next Epstein? This is the next episode.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Like, they don't, they don't need a honey trap anymore. We honey trap ourselves all day long. Because intelligence agencies, and Mossad, CIA, NSA, spend all day long going through our data, right? We're creating the footprint. They can hear us on our phones. They can see us on our phones. They're able to watch everything that we're doing constantly. If they, if they want to track you and they want to find stuff on you, they don't need some guy to invite you to an island.

• 1:11:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Now, that doesn't mean that for certain powerful people, they don't still send certain assets in to influence them a certain way or draw them into something in particular. But again, it's not like it used to be because we're constantly surveilled.

• 1:12:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true. And it's less of a liability.

• 1:12:09Danny Jones?

  Suicide, murder, or still alive?

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:12:17Danny Jones?

  I'll tell you, you want me to tell you where I, where I am first?

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Please.

• 1:12:20Danny Jones?

  I think he's still alive.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:12:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I would, I would say I'm 90% that he's still alive, 10% that he was killed.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  I was

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  99% he was killed.

• 1:12:38Speaker 02

  Until I met someone through the pizza gate stuff we're working on. Who says he is absolutely alive.

• 1:12:46Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  And

• 1:12:49Danny Jones?

  Did this person have any evidence?

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  This person

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  is

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  giving me their belief based upon someone else who's very close to them. And the person who's very close to them would absolutely know.

• 1:13:06Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  So then I, now I'm like completely unsure. So I went from being like 99% sure he's dead to now being like, if he's dead, then yeah, but otherwise probably like 10% sure he's dead.

• 1:13:22Danny Jones?

  Well, why the FBI released the wrong footage of the wrong jail cell? Number one. And why have an edit on it? Because the photo they released after he died was a different jail cell.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:13:34Danny Jones?

  And why on his autopsy, were they saying they examined his prostate?

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Danny Jones?

  When the guy didn't have a fucking prostate?

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:13:43Danny Jones?

  And that was on paper. There's evidence where he's talking to his doctor, saying, I don't have a prostate.

• 1:13:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and they, and they admit in, again, in the FC files, you can find the, the emails where they admit that they, they did not roll his body out. That they put a bunch of boxes and things on, under a sheet and they rolled it out to trick the media.

• 1:14:01Danny Jones?

  Right. And why also on a Saturday morning? When they wheel the body out of the back of the prison cell, is there a photographer ready to go?

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Right. Right.

• 1:14:13Danny Jones?

  Like, that's a slow, isn't that one of the slowest news days of the week?

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:14:16Danny Jones?

  A Saturday?

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Now, in that case, if they, if he was dead and they thought that was there and you tip him off, sure. But if you tip him off intentionally and say, hey, they're gonna be bringing his body out. He's coming out this way. And then you put a bunch of boxes under a sheet and you roll the sheet out. I mean, that's just, I don't know. Um, it's crazy. And you're right. The, the thing about releasing the wrong video and, and the, uh, the wrong door and all that stuff. And the video was all, the metadata was all wrong. I think that is a, a symbol of incompetency.

• 1:14:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  I don't think they did it because they were trying to like trick us. I mean, not, sorry, not trick us. I think they were. I don't think that they were so clever that they were like, oh, we can put this out and we'll like, we'll play with their minds a little. I think they're stupid. And I think they put it out not realizing that the average person can check the metadata and say, but this is clearly not.

• 1:15:02Danny Jones?

  Right. Right. John told me that it would be extremely easy to create a body double. And exfiltrate him out of that prison cell. And another crazy thing is another guy I know who was a former CIA agent got a hold of, he did a whole show on this with Discovery Channel, I think.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:15:22Danny Jones?

  Where he actually got the blueprints, the, the, the public blueprints for that block of the prison. Right? And like how it was all laid out with like where all the concrete walls were, where all the doors were, all the plumbing and everything. And then he went somehow like, he went super deep and got like the real blueprints or, uh, schematics of that prison, of the whole prison. And there's a part of his cell that are not on the public blueprints. So there's like.

• 1:16:00Danny Jones?

  Like, imagine if you're looking at like this corner of this room right here from like, from the end of that wall to like this TV, imagine it's a square.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Danny Jones?

  Now imagine Steven's desk is a wall that goes all the way to the ceiling. That's what the, is on the real blueprints. So there's like a cut in, like a corner angle cut in like that that goes all the way to the ceiling. That that encroaches into the room. And it's very weird. Like, what, why is that on one part of the blueprints and not on the official blueprints? This weird cut out in the room. And then the other thing that he did was they built a replica of what his cell actually was. Cause they had all the photos, they had all the dimensions from the blueprints. And between the room of the bunk bed and the wall, it's like, I don't know, maybe three and a half feet, something crazy.

• 1:16:53Danny Jones?

  And they tried to simulate how they would uh hang themselves or do what Epstein did to himself. With the exact, like, they got everything down to a T with the exact cloth that he wrapped around his neck and everything. And like, okay, if I'm gonna do this and it's tied right here, I got this thing around my neck, and how am I gonna jump and do this to myself? They couldn't figure out how to do it without like smashing your head into the wall directly in front of the bunk and getting a huge contusion on your head.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Danny Jones?

  But he had no head contusions at all.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:23Danny Jones?

  It was just that, that neck thing.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:25Danny Jones?

  On that.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Danny Jones?

  On that autopsy. So, and this is the guy, this guy Andy who did this thing, Andy Bustamante.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:33Danny Jones?

  Two years ago, I talked to him, he thought Epstein was absolutely dead. He absolutely killed himself.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Danny Jones?

  He believed the narrative. He, he would argue with me about it. Like Danny, you're, you're, you're crazy. He's definitely dead. Why would we lie about this? He wasn't, now he's on a full 180.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:17:46Danny Jones?

  Like, this is an Occam's razor type dude, who everything is Occam's razor for him. And now that he's actually like gone through all the evidence and like gone to the work of reconstructing the cell, he's convinced that Epstein was exfiltrated out of there.

• 1:18:00Danny Jones?

  So that's fucking insane.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't, would not be surprised at all, at all. I mean, there are even little things like the fact that we have the pictures of that one body. They do have pictures of, and you can see his, uh, earlobe.

• 1:18:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is, this is crazy.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  So this is the cutout he's talking about?

• 1:18:14Danny Jones?

  So this is, yeah, look, so watch this, this is crazy. Hopefully we don't get, um, fucking, what's it called? Copyright for this, hit the, hit the.

• 1:18:22Speaker 05

  Conducting my most in-depth investigation yet. Taking you inside a full-scale replica of Jeffrey Epstein's cell.

• 1:18:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, just like my old home.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  Where I meet with a former inmate who was Epstein's closest friend inside.

• 1:18:38Danny Jones?

  I do know the last day that I watched Jeffrey Epstein, he really looked depressed.

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  I tracked down an internet sleuth with shocking new details he discovered in cell block footage.

• 1:18:49Speaker 06

  They say that that's what that orange blob is, but I can prove to you that is not the case.

• 1:18:55Speaker 05

  Then I'll bring in one of the top podcasters in the country who reveals another wild theory.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  If you were to fake his death, you'd get a body double and make sure that everyone could see it, including the press.

• 1:19:08Speaker 05

  And we'll meet with a leading forensic pathologist to help put all the pieces together.

• 1:19:14Speaker 05

  Have I seen multiple fractures in these structures? Yes. Have I seen it in hanging? No. My goal, to answer the question, what really happened to Jeffrey Epstein in the early morning hours of August 10th, 2019?

• 1:19:29Danny Jones?

  Dun, dun, dun. But yeah, you saw that little cutout in the room.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:35Danny Jones?

  Crazy, man. What the hell is going on there?

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, again, I, I was not a believer in it. Now I am.

• 1:19:42Danny Jones?

  Have you met Palm Beach Pete?

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  I have not met him, but I've seen his stuff. My son's obsessed with Palm Beach Pete. He's, he was convinced for a while, uh, that Palm Beach Pete is actually Epstein's twin. Cause you know, he's a twin brother.

• 1:19:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:57Danny Jones?

  Not Mark, right? Mark Epstein? How many brothers?

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  He knows more about it than I do.

• 1:20:01Danny Jones?

  So he does have a brother, Mark Epstein, who's done some interviews. And he, you know, he's one of the guys like, no, I saw his body. I was there.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:08Danny Jones?

  And I confirmed that that was really his body, but.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Is like, do we believe you?

• 1:20:12Danny Jones?

  Right, right. If I was, if that was my brother and I knew he was alive, I would also tell the public that he was really dead. So no one, like, wouldn't.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, based on.

• 1:20:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:20:21Speaker 02

  It's not like he's walking out like, I have pictures.

• 1:20:23Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Exactly.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Danny Jones?

  Did you see the thing that just came out? I think it was a couple of days ago about that Norwegian kid? Who, there was a couple who were, they were Norwegian diplomats that were connected to Epstein. And Epstein gave their children $10 million in his living will.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:20:44Danny Jones?

  And the kid's 25. Him and his twin sister each got $5 million in Epstein's will. And the 25 year old just killed himself last week.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:20:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 1:20:54Danny Jones?

  It's insane, dude. Like, there's a whole article about it, Steve. I sent it to you. But it's just, you know, the amount of reach this guy had and like, the fact that this makes it in the news, makes me wonder how many stories like this, how many people are getting disappeared all around the world that we've never heard of and that we'll never hear of.

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:21:16Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:19Danny Jones?

  Political heir, 25, who has left $5 million in Jeffrey Epstein's will, kills himself just days after the investigation into his parents was launched. What day was this published?

• 1:21:28Danny Jones?

  May 1st. Okay.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  And but we don't know why he would leave them this money? There was nothing that explained why.

• 1:21:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I read it. I don't know. I don't think there's any explanation as to why he gave her that money. But that's the same amount of money he gave Ghislaine Maxwell, too.

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:21:42Danny Jones?

  I think he gave her 10 million in his will.

• 1:21:46Danny Jones?

  I don't know what's happening with her.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Well, and that's, yeah, I was gonna say, and the interesting thing about Ghislaine Maxwell is, so if there is no Epstein investigation, if the Epstein thing is all a hoax, what is she doing in prison? Why is she locked up?

• 1:21:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  You know, why, why does the DOJ not cut her a deal? Or release her? Or why doesn't Trump pardon her? Like, if you are Trump saying, this is all a hoax, this is all fake, none of this is real. Why would you let this woman continue to sit in prison?

• 1:22:11Danny Jones?

  Right. That's a good question.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  Because she did nothing.

• 1:22:15Danny Jones?

  And she seems to be playing ball, right? Like, she hasn't given up anything. Like, it seems like she.

• 1:22:19Speaker 02

  No, that's why she's still alive, I guess.

• 1:22:20Danny Jones?

  Seems like she really wants to do a deal.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  But I think she's, she makes the argument too that why, why would you keep me locked up? Cash Patel said, uh, in front of Congress, he said under sworn testimony that Jeffrey Epstein did not traffic anyone to anyone. He says, nobody was trafficked. So if Jeffrey Epstein didn't traffic anyone, what is Ghislaine Maxwell doing in prison? And if you're the head of the FBI, wouldn't you, wouldn't you make a, a move to get her released?

• 1:22:49Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Because she's in prison for trafficking.

• 1:22:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Women.

• 1:22:54Danny Jones?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  There's the, the, this, and this is where the whole thing just gets so convoluted. So when they'll, people like Todd Blanch will sit there and say, I'm, I'm not even sure what we're talking about. Well, I guess we're not because there isn't actually an official position on anything. There's no official position on who Jeffrey Epstein was, what he did, did he commit any crimes? Did he traffic anyone? Did he abuse anyone?

• 1:23:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  What did Ghislaine Maxwell do? What did Prince Andrew do? The interesting thing too, is that the only people who have been arrested are in other countries. So they have been arrested in the UK. They have been arrested in, in other countries, but not here. They've been forced out of their positions and jobs in these different places, ambassadors and stuff. Nobody here. So we look crazy to the rest of the world.

• 1:23:41Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:23:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  And it's interesting to watch how that terminology, I don't know that I'm necessarily a fan of it, but the terminology, the Epstein class has, has become very representative of an entire group of people. I mean, especially in other parts of the world where, where they really do, they view anyone who's powerful in America as part of the Epstein class, anyone who's powerful in Western Europe as part of the Epstein class.

• 1:24:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:24:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I think Tim Dillon said it best the other day on his, one of his podcast, I think his recent podcast, he was explaining this, he was commentating on the whole Trump going to China with all the CEOs.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:18Danny Jones?

  It was like 17 CEOs or whatever. And he was, he was kind of joking because he's like, he's like, Trump and the White House, they don't want to get in a fight with China. He's like, you look at his previous posturing towards China during the first term and now all the nice things he's saying and how like polite he's being and all this stuff. He's like, they don't, they know better than to get in a fight with China. He goes, the United States used to be the high school quarterback who got the girls and was the bully. Now, the United States is the weird kid who may have a gun.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  Exactly where they are.

• 1:25:01Danny Jones?

  He's like, China is now the high school quarterback. Now our high school quarterback looks like a mixed Asian with a white person. It's not, he's not fully Caucasian anymore.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  It's so true. It's so true. We are definitely the weird kid with the gun. Very unpredictable. Don't push him too hard because you don't know what he's gonna do.

• 1:25:21Danny Jones?

  He's like, he's like, we're, we're on a decline and they're trying to manage our decline. So we don't lose control, so we don't lose our temper on the way down.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know? Yeah, I mean, she mentioned that in one of his speeches, right? And, and I'll get the, the term wrong, but it's this, um, this concept of, and you might know the term, uh, it's escaping me. Anyways, it's basically the term came out of, of ancient Greece, um, where, you know, Sparta was on the decline, Athens was on the rise. And the theory is, is that for any declining power, when they intersect with an emerging power, they ultimately have to go to war at some point, right? And so what she was referencing when he was making his speech with Trump there was basically, we're trying to avoid this, this, this paradox that we're trying to avoid, which is where

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  the declining power, the United States is intersecting with the rising power, which is China. Do we have to? There it is. Yeah.

• 1:26:21Danny Jones?

  Thucydides trap.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:26:22Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Yep. Thucydides trap.

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  And that's ultimately what, what the Chinese are trying to avoid. Well, by the way, thank God for that.

• 1:26:32Danny Jones?

  Yes, thank God for that.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  They don't feel like they need to go to war with us in order to establish themselves. They're like, there's a way for us to continue to rise and for the US to continue to decline without it ever becoming

• 1:26:43Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  A war. And then of course Trump's response to him referring to the US as a declining power was, he was talking about Biden.

• 1:26:52Speaker 02

  Is it? Is that what he was talking about?

• 1:26:54Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  Pretty sure he wasn't. Pretty sure that the Chinese are looking at this war with Iran and they're thinking, well, this would be easier than we thought it would be.

• 1:27:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:27:05Danny Jones?

  And now they're meeting with the opposition party in, um, what is, what is it? Um, Taiwan?

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:11Danny Jones?

  And it seems like it's gonna be, it seems like it's possible that it, when they take Taiwan, it won't be like a military takeover.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  It may not be. It may just be a reunification.

• 1:27:21Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Taiwan seems to be moving in that direction at this point. And listen, if you're Taiwan, why wouldn't you? I mean, if you just watched what happened to the Gulf states that are sitting over there who have been much more important to the United States than Taiwan, and we just let them get obliterated. We haven't done anything to stop them getting hit. Um, so, so much so that countries like Qatar and the UAE are like, we're not even gonna be a part of OPEC anymore. We're backing out because this is a mess. This is, this is not working. The truth is, it's sad, but I, I think, I've told people, I believe that one of the, the things that this war reveals is what a scam, the military industrial complex and military

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  contractors have run on this country, right? Where they, they charge us these ridiculous amounts of money for a single missile, for a single Patriot missile, a THAAD, you know, missile radar detector. The THAAD radars are what? A billion dollars apiece? And there's seven of them? And now there's like two left because Iran destroyed them.

• 1:28:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah. With drones that cost, you know?

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Twenty thousand dollars.

• 1:28:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shahed drones are 20 grand. We have that 600 million dollar radar plane. There's only seven of them in the world. There's now only six because they cut one in half with a drone, you know? And when you look at the economics of that, it's like, we are so far behind in terms of what we have in terms of military power. Yeah, but we still have aircraft carriers more than anybody in the world. We have the largest air force in the world and we have the second largest air force. Largest air force in the world is the US Air Force. The second largest air force in the world is the US Navy. Right? It's incredible. However, drones kind of render some of that useless.

• 1:29:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Right? You don't have to spend that kind of money on planes when you have swarms of drones everywhere.

• 1:29:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  So the Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, as we just learned, are way ahead of us in terms of that technology, cheaper. That's why Trump went to, um, he went to GM and Ford recently.

• 1:29:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  And said, we want you to start manufacturing, right? That the first time since World War Two.

• 1:29:33Danny Jones?

  And he's subsidizing them or what?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  So no official statement has been made about what they would do. I think this was basically Trump poking the contractors because he's like, you're taking too long to create equipment and it's too expensive. So if you can't do it, we'll find somebody who can, right? Uh, so yeah, they would basically do contracts if that were the case, and it would probably be a great thing for American automakers to shift. My guess would be he's talking to them about shifting to drone production, which would make sense. Because what the Russia-Ukraine war did was it showed the world a whole new battlefield. It war is completely changed, completely changed. And, and what we've done for the last 40 years is we keep investing in the same antiquated technology.

• 1:30:18Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Right? That we've always had. So go back to the first Persian Gulf War, right? All the way back in, what? 1991? And we were very proud of the Patriot missiles. Here are the Patriots. And we were like, oh my gosh, I grew up in El Paso and Fort Bliss was the home of the Patriot missile.

• 1:30:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  And it was like, we have this technology that we can stop anything. Well, at the time that was true in 1991. In 2026, that ain't true. And, and Iran just proved that, right? What we do is we overwhelm you with missiles and you gotta shoot five or six Patriots to hit one.

• 1:30:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  You know, we send 30, 40 at a time. You're out of luck. You're shit out of luck. And that doesn't even take into account things like hypersonics.

• 1:30:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  Right? The Chinese have hypersonics, the Russians have hypersonics. You can't even detect them. They're moving so fast.

• 1:31:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  So I, I think this war is a little bit of a wake up call that we're, we're way behind. Talk about that declining power. And one reason we're declining power is because we, we have wasted so much treasure, 12 trillion dollars over the past 40 years on these Middle East wars, if not more.

• 1:31:21Speaker 02

  And we haven't invested anything here at home.

• 1:31:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  All that money could have been used here. Instead, it's used over there and for what? And instead, what other countries have done is they've quietly moved past us in terms of that. So you better believe that that the Chinese are watching, the Russians are watching every single thing that happens in this war and they're watching response times and how we respond.

• 1:31:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Even the fact that we have, yeah, we have all these aircraft carriers, but we won't get them anywhere near Iran because we're so afraid of them getting hit.

• 1:31:52Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  So what good is it?

• 1:31:54Danny Jones?

  And they're slowly developing their soft power, you know, and their economic power. Like, what are we going to do with China? They, they give us 90% of our pharmaceuticals.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:32:04Danny Jones?

  And our medical supplies and they own probably a majority of our debt. And, you know, it's, it's just crazy, man. And now we're talking about invading Cuba or this nine, the, what was it?

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  It's gonna happen.

• 1:32:19Danny Jones?

  Castro's Castro's brother, is it?

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Raul Castro.

• 1:32:22Danny Jones?

  Raul Castro, he's like 95 years old.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he'll probably be in chains by the time this airs. He'll be sitting in a cell in New York.

• 1:32:30Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, that's one thing, that's one thing that people say about this is that like, maybe Trump saw what happened to Venezuela, how good it, how, how clean and quick it happened and thought maybe he could do this and which, you know, I don't think anyone knew that everybody, everyone in the know, like the Joint Chiefs and the high level of military people around him knew that this was not going to go down like that.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  And they told him.

• 1:32:53Danny Jones?

  I don't, and they told him, they warned him that, right? It's also important to be said that like, even though it seems like we are really losing this war, it is pretty impressive, the operation that they did to rescue, rescue that downed Wizzo and that plane that crashed, they got shot down there. Like all the, all the shit that they had to do to make that happen, like diverting, using the CIA to, they launched apparently like 150 planes, flew them to different parts of Iran to throw them off the trail to where they were going. And then they, they leaked that story about the murmur, the ghost murmur.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:33:25Danny Jones?

  Which ended up being total bullshit.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:33:28Danny Jones?

  It was a fake story that was leaked to the New York Post. And then Ratcliffe was like on the podium like bragging about how, oh yeah, we do this. We, he didn't actually like confirm the actual goes to murmur. He trying to find a sly way to get around that. But the whole, the story just took off.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  So I don't believe any of that.

• 1:33:48Danny Jones?

  You don't believe any of that?

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  Nope. Don't. I don't believe any of it. So here's, here's what I believe happened. And we've actually reported on this kind of extensively. So this was not an operation to get the, a downed pilot. This would never happen this way. None of it makes any sense. I've interviewed multiple military guys who have said, absolutely not. So for instance, you're not going to send in these, what were they C130s? So they tried to land and then they were too heavy because they were in the mud and they had to leave them behind. So they just blew them up instead. No. So what, about a week before this happens, there are, there are leaks coming out that, that Trump was presented with a plan by the Secretary of

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  War and, and a few generals for how they could go in and they could grab the uranium, the enriched uranium from the Iranians. And so this stuff was already out there. I think the New York Times ran an article on it. There were a couple of others that ran articles on this plan and what it looked like. And the plan included, what they would do is they would fly in, they would have to construct a runway somewhere in the desert and then they would land these C130s and they had all this equipment that they would bring out. They would blow open the area where this mountain, I guess, area where the uranium was kept underneath. They go in, they would bring it all back out. It was a crazy plan. So much so that when Trump was told about the plan, he said, the only thing that we're missing is Schwarzenegger to take off in a helicopter afterwards, right? So cinematic

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  and crazy that this whole, this whole concept. About a week later, all of a sudden, oh, there's this pilot who was downed. It just so happens that we have C one thirties in the area. It just so happens we have these Apaches in the area. And then the story is so crazy about this guy that supposedly this pilot, right, is down. According to Trump's own words, the guy is bleeding. He hikes five miles and then climbs like

• 1:35:43Danny Jones?

  Huge cliff.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, like 7,000 feet or some crazy number and then hides up there until they're able to extract him. And then, once they extract him, because they got all their stuff stuck, they blew it all up and burned it all. Doesn't make sense at all. Doesn't. What I have been told by multiple people is that they were trying to go in and get their the enriched uranium. That was the original plan. They sent in these pilots around the area and they started getting hit. A Blackhawk, or it's not actually a Blackhawk. It was it's similar to a Blackhawk. But two of them were hit in the air. And then there was another that was hit. One of those fighter jets was hit. So they

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  were able to get out those guys out of there. But they, again, everybody who was talking about it says, this is not the way you would extract. It's way too many people. It's way too complicated, and it's all the wrong equipment. You would not send that stuff in there. But if you're trying to go in and extract the uranium, and you're trying to build a runway in the desert, and you're trying to land a giant C one thirty, because you need to be able to carry the uranium out of there, then that's what you would do. So that's what I think it was. I think it was a disaster. And I will say this. One thing about about President Trump is he is very good at spinning anything into a victory. And I think what they did was they said, Look, we're not going to go out there and say, we had a failed mission, because that's going to make us look horrible. And it would have.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  And so instead, they invented a story about this hero pilot. By the way, have you ever seen him?

• 1:37:14Danny Jones?

  I've never seen him.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  No. Never brought him out in front of the cameras. Never said, here's the guy, by the way, with the injuries, the guy who climbed this cliff while he was bleeding and put out a beacon that only the CIA could hear, and they were able to track him from space. And we haven't seen any of them. We saw we saw all the people who came back from their little trip around the moon. We've seen all those people. We haven't but we haven't seen the pilot who was down in Iran.

• 1:37:41Danny Jones?

  See if you could find out anything about that pilot. I'm curious now, because I've never actually searched. Do we know his name even?

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  No name, not that I've seen.

• 1:37:51Danny Jones?

  That's fucking bizarre.

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  I have not seen this, this pilot who was, who was down. Where is he? Cause you would think this guy would be a national hero. You'd walk him around, say, this is the face of this great operation that we ran to rescue this guy. Cause we leave no man behind. That was brilliant. By the way, it was a brilliant way to cover the story. Was we had somebody down and we leave no one behind. And so we went and we got him because, because even when I'm seeing, hearing the story and thinking it's all a lie. I'm still like, go get them guys.

• 1:38:21Speaker 02

  Right? Cause as an American, you're like, yeah.

• 1:38:23Danny Jones?

  It fooled me, man. That, that's, that's pretty wild. And I think, I think, um, I don't know. Just this morning I was reading something that said that, um, the, the new supreme leader is now saying like, fuck you. We're not letting you. We're going to keep all of our uranium, all of our U.S. uranium. And we're not going to do anything.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  I mean, what can we do?

• 1:38:46Danny Jones?

  Right. I don't know.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  This is, this is.

• 1:38:47Danny Jones?

  How many times is he going to threaten Armageddon?

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. This is, this is exactly the problem. Do we have him?

• 1:38:53Danny Jones?

  The identities of the pilots and weapons systems officer have not been officially released by the U.S. Military or the White House to protect the service members and operational security. The U.S. Center Command has strictly referred to the crew by their mission call signs. The pilot was dude 44 Alpha. And the other guy was dude 44 Bravo. They made it all up.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  It's, it's all fake.

• 1:39:18Danny Jones?

  It's a fucking propaganda story.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  But it was so well done. So I still have to be like, well done.

• 1:39:23Danny Jones?

  Damn it. They got me.

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I had a guy on just the other day that was telling me the whole story behind it. Now.

• 1:39:29Danny Jones?

  How amazing it was, right?

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Cause the thing is, rather than having a great mission, they did come up with a great story. The story's a great story.

• 1:39:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  But the other problem is too, is you're going to tell that story and no one in any kind of establishment media is ever going to say, this didn't happen. You'd be out of a job in five minutes. You hate America. It's like, I don't hate America. I love America. That's why I don't want us making up stories. And I don't want us going and blowing up other countries and I don't want us faking stuff.

• 1:39:58Danny Jones?

  It's interesting how you were describing in the beginning of this podcast, how when you're working at the local news stations, they kind of like feed you your stories, your prepackaged sort of stories that you're gonna-

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  Anything on a national level.

• 1:40:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:40:12Speaker 02

  The local stuff, you're still doing like the city council stuff, house fires, car crashes.

• 1:40:16Danny Jones?

  God, got it, got it, got it. So I wonder on the national level, how much of that is going on? Like, how mu- how many stories are getting fed to the national-

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 1:40:27Danny Jones?

  News sources by, I don't know, the government or-

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:40:31Danny Jones?

  Whoever else, who, who, who would-

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  Well, okay, so the way it works in a lot of newsrooms, right, is first of all, one of the big problems that I have with newsrooms is they already have a, a authority centric model. Meaning if you get on the local level, there's a murder.

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• 1:42:03Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  Right? So nobody says, well, maybe this fire wasn't what they said it was, right? You don't ever say that, because the fire department sends you a press release. And what's happened in every single city in the entire country, every fire department has a press person, press secretary now.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  And 99.9% of the time, they're former TV people, right? Who didn't make very good money, got tired of the terrible hours of working in TV. And so they go take one of these jobs, working as a press secretary. And so they'll be the spokesperson for the police department, spokesperson for the fire department.

• 1:42:35Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  But they are authorities.

• 1:42:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  On whatever happens. So just a quick story. So when I was, I was working in El Paso, it was one of my first markets. And this is really where I learned to start questioning authority was, um, so we were, El Paso was right across the river from Juarez, Mexico.

• 1:42:50Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  Right? And so that's where I grew up. Um, and I was very fortunate to be on, on air in my hometown for 10 years. In 2007, 2008, there was a massive drug war happening in Mexico.

• 1:43:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  And it came to Juarez. And when it did, I mean, it was just, it was the most dangerous city in the world at the time. More dangerous than Baghdad, most dangerous city in the world for journalists.

• 1:43:11Danny Jones?

  Juarez.

• 1:43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Tens of thousands of people being killed, right? Um, 3 million people fled the city. I mean, it was, it was, it was insane, like how, how bonkers it was. And then people came back, but it was just, it was totally nuts. And that, there was a claim at the time, so I used to go over every day to Mexico, right? Every morning I'd get a photographer, because nobody wanted to go, it was way too dangerous. Get a photographer and these guys, and we, we get in the car and we drive across the river. And literally we drive across and there'd be like headless bodies hanging from the overpasses when you drive through. Yeah. Cartels are very creative in the way they kill people. It's all very showy. Um, we would go to like.

• 1:43:54Danny Jones?

  You're talking right over the border, you're seeing this.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like you're, you cross over, you drive the first overpass, you got like dead bodies hanging from it. We went to a field one time where they had cut a guy, killed a guy and cut his face off and sewn it to a soccer ball. And thrown it out into a field full of kids playing soccer. Right? It was crazy. Went to a, a location where this woman had been butchered and they cut her arms and legs off and her breasts off and scattered them all over this room. It was, it was totally crazy. There was in the 1990s, there was something called the Juarez femicides, which was kind of famous. Um, J Lo made a movie about it and the femicides were, um, about 300 women over the course of 10 years just disappeared in Juarez. Um, they would work at these maquiladoras, which are like these factories. They'd get on buses and they would go to work in the factories and then just, they wouldn't come home.

• 1:44:40Speaker 02

  And so about over the course of about 10 years, about 300 women just went missing. Their families never knew what happened to them. There's a lot of questions today, whether it was police who were doing it, whether it was like cartels that were doing it, serial killers. No one really knows to this day what happened to them. It was so violent in Huadas at that time that there were 3,000 women who went missing in one year, not in 10 years, in one year, 3,000 women. And nobody had talked about them at all because they were just being disappeared. There were so many dead bodies in Huadas, they just had mass graves where they would just dig up the ground and just push the bodies in because they couldn't keep them in the morgues. You had like a week to come and claim a body and if you didn't, they just created mass graves. So it was, it was, it was wild.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  And I remember at the time in El Paso, there was a claim that well, Paso is the safest city in the country. None of that violence is coming here, right? So there was a fire one night at a restaurant. It was a huge fire and this place burns to the ground. And it just, it was so bizarre to me, the way it burned. They put out the press release and I'm meeting with our team and I'm like, no, there's something wrong with this story, right? This restaurant just happened to burn down and like it just, it's completely gone. And didn't believe it and was working on a story about it, meeting with sources and talking to people about it. And I finally had one guy from the fire department who met with me and he said, yeah, you're absolutely right.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  He said, so what we found, we went in there is they had drilled holes into the concrete on the roof and they had put like C4 in it and they blew the building up. And that's why it went down like that. And I said, who? And he's like, I can't tell you that part. But we all knew who it was. And, and so that was happening in a bunch of different locations, but you were never allowed to report that because the official statement that came from the fire department was, it was an electrical fire.

• 1:46:34Danny Jones?

  So that's the cartels that were doing it.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were making people pay them on this, on the US side of the border too.

• 1:46:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Because the cartel guys all live in the US. They don't live in Mexico. So they have, they have a saying that you don't make war where you make your home. So their kids, all the cartel guys' kids would go to school in El Paso.

• 1:46:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Right? They, they lived in mansions on the US side, but then they fight the war on the Mexican side, right? So anyways, the, the point being that you, you, it's all authoritative centric where you just, you go along with whatever this is. Well, if you, if you watch any national news, you'll see like a reporter will be talking about their sources in the Pentagon, right?

• 1:47:14Danny Jones?

  That's such a counterintuitive statement.

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Right? Because the source is just feeding you whatever it is they want you to believe.

• 1:47:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  But if you're, if you're a reporter for Fox News or for CNN or for ABC, and someone from the Pentagon calls you up and says, hey, I'm going to tell you what's going on. We just had a guy who went down and we're, we're going to get him. We're sending all this stuff and then we're going to pick him up. We're bringing this guy home. You're like, oh my gosh, I have this scoop. And you run back to your news desk. We got breaking news. This is happening, duh, duh, duh. And you start doing the story.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  When it's all over with, are you going to turn around and say, by the way, that story was bullshit? Clearly that's not what happened, right?

• 1:47:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  No, because then you'd never have a source again.

• 1:47:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:54Speaker 02

  Right? You'd be out of a job. They'd never leak anything to you. But if you're their buddy and you all, you all drink together and you all hang out together, they're going to feed you whatever story fits. So all those sources will bring that stuff down. And then when CNN does it, Fox does it, whatever.

• 1:48:08Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  They're sending it down to their local newsrooms and now they, as the network, are the authoritative source.

• 1:48:14Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh my God. It's so crazy. It's a perfect system for, for feeding them, the people propaganda. You don't need to just have like fully controlled

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:48:25Danny Jones?

  news stations, like top down. It's just you make the sources.

• 1:48:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:29Danny Jones?

  Straight out of the government.

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:48:30Danny Jones?

  And not only that. But they also, the people, these four, these, these former intelligence people are these former Pentagon insiders also get like contracts with those news stations to be like the talking heads that they go to on every topic.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, when people talk about like Operation Mockingbird.

• 1:48:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:48Speaker 02

  You know, where they're like, they was program in the seventies and they were planting journalists. Yeah, they, that was absolutely true. You don't need to do it anymore because now they sit up there and they put their title.

• 1:48:58Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  CIA agent or former CIA analyst or, you know, you got like John Brennan, who was the head of the CIA, right? Who for a long time, I'm not sure he still is, but for a long time, he was working at CNN as an analyst, right? The guy you mean who lied to Congress about torture? The guy who spied on the Senate, members of the US Senate illegally to find out if they knew about torture, right? Is now your analyst to talk about these things on air? James Clapper.

• 1:49:27Danny Jones?

  The guy who wanted, the guy who wanted karaoke in prison.

• 1:49:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. John Brennan. Yeah.

• 1:49:31Danny Jones?

  Clapper, yeah, he's another one.

• 1:49:33Speaker 02

  And Clapper's another one who also lied to Congress about the, the whole spying program that Edward Snowden revealed.

• 1:49:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  Right? He went to, when he retired, he went to work at CNN, they're probably getting three, four, five million dollars a year to sit up there and give their opinion, their analysis. By the way, all these same guys, all the people who signed the Russia collusion

• 1:49:51Danny Jones?

  All the same people, right?

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  Against Trump.

• 1:49:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:53Danny Jones?

  Also, like, how does nobody notice that Clapper and these people are the same people who are behind all this UFO stuff? These UFO files.

• 1:50:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:50:02Danny Jones?

  Like Clapper now, like he's, this is his deathbed confession. He wants to make right with the world and he wants to tell everyone the truth about UFOs? How the fuck are we supposed to believe this?

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  Well, people do. But the, but the UFO thing is, is interesting. I'm, I'm interested to see what you think about it. What do you believe is happening with the UFO?

• 1:50:20Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, dude, I don't know. My opinion changes weekly with this stuff. It is just, it is such a hornet's nest of bullshit. It's so hard to parse through it, man. It really is. I, I feel like, you know, my gut tells me whatever Clapper and Brennan are attached to, that they're telling us, I feel like that's not the truth. Or maybe it's only a small part of the truth, like a limited hangout to get us off the trail of whatever it is.

• 1:50:51Danny Jones?

  My like high level view of of the whole thing is A. The files that Trump just released was just a distraction. That's just, it's nice that it's finally like admitted by the public and admitted by the White House, by the government, and it's on the White House website and like they finally admit this stuff's real. Because before, we did know about that, but people were able to dismiss it and argue against it. Now you can't really, now it's out there. But, good job on their part of, you know, hanging a shiny object over here to get people distracted. My, my top level view of all of this stuff is that like, I think that we do have shit

• 1:51:33Danny Jones?

  that was either found in archaeological digs, or recovered, and we've been trying to figure out how it works since the 50s. I think that there was an element of physics that we've been working on in the United States, physicists in the US have been working on since the 40s and 50s, that went underground, and that I think aerospace companies have control of now. And I don't even think that they're giving full access to the US military on this stuff. I think they've

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Who controls it?

• 1:52:06Danny Jones?

  I, I, I don't, I think it's, I think it's a combination of like, Batel Memorial Institute, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman. I think they all have a little bit of

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Contractors control.

• 1:52:17Danny Jones?

  Contractors control it, yeah. Private contractors control this stuff, because they have to keep it secret from FOIA.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:23Danny Jones?

  Right? You can't, you can't be able to FOIA this stuff. So that, I think that's one of the reasons they keep it locked away. And they keep it very compartmentalized. Every, every, every little program, I think, which is probably in various different, underneath various different military contractors, is very stove piped, to where one person working on metallurgy is not going to see whoever's working on physics and propulsion. And above all of that, the people that can see everything that's really happening, I think there's maybe only like, a dozen people alive that really know all that stuff. And I think those people are like

• 1:53:01Danny Jones?

  Maybe on the Epstein level or even above the Epstein level as far as like power and control.

• 1:53:07Danny Jones?

  You know, I think those people are above government powers.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:10Danny Jones?

  Those are the people that are really like pulling the strings of the presidents and the politicians and, you know, and I think also if they have some sort of an alternative energy, those people are also invested in like oil and petroleum. So they don't want it to get out for multiple reasons.

• 1:53:30Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:53:30Danny Jones?

  They don't want to disrupt other investments.

• 1:53:34Danny Jones?

  And, you know, if something like this really got out of the bag, it could like destabilize the whole entire world economy. Because if we have like a new zero point energy or some sort of a clean energy that where we won't have to rely on fossil fuels anymore or fucking battery powered electric cars anymore. You know, a lot of the richest people in the world would no longer be that unless they could figure out a way to parlay into that first.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54:00Danny Jones?

  Before it became public.

• 1:54:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:02Danny Jones?

  But as far as like what the phenomenon is, I don't know, man. A lot of people talking about like extraterrestrials and stuff like that. I don't know if it's that. I think it might be like some sort of a, the same way there's naked people living in the Amazon right now with spears. There's people that are like flying around in fucking jets from Paris to New York in like two hours. I think that can also exist. I think at some level we are the people that are throwing around spears in the, in the rainforest. And there's another layer of, of civilization that could still be here that we just don't interact with or don't see. Maybe they're fucking in the oceans or maybe they're, who knows? Who knows? We don't, we don't really, I don't think we're really equipped to comprehend that yet. But I think it's totally possible.

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's, I think that's possible. I think, first of all, the, what they've released so far, I think they're releasing it in a specific way and a strategic way. So I agree with you. They've released nothing. They've released stuff we've already seen, we already know, right? It's nothing. What I was told is that it's happening in phases and that with each phase, there's going to be more that comes out. And at a certain point. We'll see if it happens at a certain point that they're going to acknowledge the existence of what they call non-human entities. So they don't call them extraterrestrials. They don't call them interdimensional, but they're calling them non-human entities. And that these non-human entities, they're going to acknowledge that they are here and they're already among us.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  And that's what I think members of Congress keep alluding to. So people like Tim Burchett.

• 1:55:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Paulina Luna.

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, they keep talking about like stuff they've seen. There's a reason they're being allowed to say this. So they're priming the public for the idea that this is coming. Now, Burchett has said stuff about like a breeding program. Matt Gaetz said something about being briefed on a breeding program. I don't know if that's true, not true. What I'm saying is 20 years ago or 30 years ago, if you were a member of Congress and you went on television and you said, "These things exist and we are being briefed on them," you'd be dead. You would not be allowed to do that. The only reason you're doing it now is they're letting you be the ones who are priming the public so that by the time it happened, there is not a shock factor associated with it. To your point, at a certain point, you'd say, "Oh, they fired a nuke and it got intercepted by

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  a UFO." And people were like, "Okay." And they go back to Fortnite. And it's like, they're just paying attention. But if you if you prepare people by repeating this stuff over and over,

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  you're you're taking away some of that, some of that shock value.

• 1:56:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  You know, and I think I think that's definitely happening. But I think I do believe they're going to announce at some point that the non-human entities are here. There is a group of people, I have been told, who are in high level, they're not actually in government, they're like advisors to the government, who have been pushing this a long time. And they see it as like, they believe these are like the old gods. They believe that's who these these entities are. And so they're pushing towards that. So it's almost like a quasi-religious view of these things.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  No idea how that will all play out. I just saw something the other day that Trump supposedly was is close to announcing the existence of those non-human entities.

• 1:57:20Danny Jones?

  Well, he doesn't seem interested in this stuff.

• 1:57:22Speaker 02

  Not at all.

• 1:57:23Danny Jones?

  In the least bit, right?

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  I think Trump thinks he's the highest life form.

• 1:57:27Danny Jones?

  I think he either it's possible he is one of them.

• 1:57:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. If even if he's not, he'll come out and claim that he is.

• 1:57:37Speaker 02

  He'll be telling everyone that actually I'm I'm one of them.

• 1:57:41Danny Jones?

  Well, he released that photo of himself walking through the private airport or whatever with the fucking alien in handcuffs the other day. Did you see that? Find the truth social post. Trump posted a photo of himself. Obviously it was AI, I think, or Photoshop of him and his security guards walking with an alien. And I don't know what the cap. I don't know what the caption was.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 1:58:03Danny Jones?

  It's better than him being Jesus.

• 1:58:05Speaker 02

  Right, yes. Well, I heard there was this. I heard through my primary source of news, Tim Dillon, that, oh, there it is.

• 1:58:13Danny Jones?

  There it is.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  I think he he shared this, right? Yeah. Trump shares image with restrained alien figure.

• 1:58:25Danny Jones?

  I mean, you gotta you gotta give his team some credit. I mean, they they keep it interesting. This is the most interesting administration in history. Yeah, it's it's definitely good for press. That's for sure. There's not. There's not a not a single dull moment.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  Space Force.

• 1:58:42Danny Jones?

  Tim Dillon was saying that I don't know where he got this, but apparently

• 1:58:47Danny Jones?

  there was a plan in the White. There was a plan for the government to come out and say, A, there is no God, and B, we were engineered by aliens. And then, like, last minute, they scrapped it. Like, that's not a good idea. Let's not do that.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's what I was hearing also.

• 1:59:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  Yes. That that that the concept is this, that the Bible is not true.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  That the whole Jesus is a myth and that these things are the old gods and that they're the ones who have created all life on

• 1:59:17Danny Jones?

  Jeez.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  And that it's pushed by this group of people who are like they they are believers in this, but they are like the foremost ones who are advising on this alien stuff. And that's what this this whole disclosure thing. And by the way, it's not a coincidence that Steven Spielberg has a movie called Disclosure.

• 1:59:33Danny Jones?

  It's coming out any day now.

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's coming out in June.

• 1:59:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  And they're gonna, this movie is timed for a reason, along with all this stuff.

• 1:59:41Danny Jones?

  That's fishy. That's very fucking fishy that it's coming out coinciding with all of this stuff.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  So I'm, what I'm fascinated by is what is that movie? What is the message of that movie? Because once you told that message, I would be willing to bet you that the official line from the government is very similar to whatever is in this movie.

• 2:00:04Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes, you nailed that. Also, it doesn't really fit with the war narrative because the whole war narrative is being pushed by like religious ideologies, right? Like there were, there was the whistleblowers, the military whistleblowers came out. There was like seven of them who said that their their commanders were telling them that Trump was anointed by Christ to bring the second coming of Christ or to bring in the messianic age. So like, yes. So if the government is talking out of one side of its mouth, saying there's no God, we originate by aliens, and the other side, we need to do this war with Iran to for to bring back Jesus or whatever their excuses.

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  Well, again, it's a very big government, right? And then in that case, those what those commanders were doing wasn't necessarily the the line coming down from the White House. This is just their own religious zeal.

• 2:00:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:51Speaker 02

  Where they view this as like a holy war, which again is is pretty crazy because you have to understand there's like five million Christians in Iran.

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  So people, people don't realize that there's a massive Christian population in Iran that lives and coexists with. So again, if you, if you watch Fox News all day, you would believe that there's no Christians anywhere at all down there.

• 2:01:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  Um, just like you would believe that the only religious, the only good religious people in the entire Middle East are in Israel, right? Those are God's people. When in fact, Israel is destroying Southern Lebanon, which is the most Christian country left inside of all of the Middle East.

• 2:01:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:29Speaker 02

  You know?

• 2:01:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:30Speaker 02

  They have a Christian president. Uh, you're not even allowed to know that if you're watching national news.

• 2:01:35Danny Jones?

  Their president's actually Christian?

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Their president is a Christian. Their president is using money from that country, right? Which is majority Muslim to preserve and take care of the Christian heritage sites like the, the tomb of Simon Peter, or like the location where the wedding at Cana miracle, where Jesus turns water into wine. That's in Southern Lebanon, right? Some of the earliest churches are in Southern Lebanon, just like the earliest churches were in Syria. But when Israel goes in there with the US and funds the Al Qaeda and ISIS guys who end up destroying Syria and forcing out Assad, they lay all that waste to all that. Israel has now flattened all these religious, Christian religious sites in Southern Lebanon. They're not there anymore.

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  They completely did away with them. Um, and that's not by, by accident. That's all by design. But what's so sickening about that is you have all these, these evangelical pastors in the United States who are just cheering it on. And it's like, I, I just, my, my Christian theology does not fit with the idea that Jesus is on the side of the modern state of Israel over Christian people living in Lebanon.

• 2:02:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  That makes no sense at all. And I'm like, please, I defy any pastor, any pastor to stand up in front of their congregation and explain how that works. How is it that God's like, I'm good with you killing all the Christians who are in these places because Israel? Like what? That makes no sense at all.

• 2:03:05Danny Jones?

  Is this somehow by design? Like is

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  Oh, by design.

• 2:03:08Danny Jones?

  Is this somehow like, oh, uh?

• 2:03:12Danny Jones?

  A crazy way to just diffuse, diffuse the populace by just creating so much chatter and so much noise that there's no way for people to become cohesive on one thing, to come together on one thing, right?

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  So I, I've become a firm believer that there is, it is all by design, it is just not by the same designers.

• 2:03:43Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  Meaning, there's not a singular objective.

• 2:03:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:48Speaker 02

  It is multiple groups with their own objectives who work in parallel to each other because they're getting what they want. So I don't think the UFO stuff has any tie to what's going on in Iran.

• 2:04:02Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  I actually, my theory is, I believe that Israel pushed us into the war with Iran. I think that's pretty clear if you listen to Rubio and you listen to

• 2:04:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  People within the administration. But I don't believe they did it because they wanted to take out Iran. I believe they did it because they wanted southern Lebanon. And so they got the US to go fight a war over there in Iran because it didn't matter if they could win it or not win it. Didn't matter if the mullahs are out, it doesn't matter if you, you know, get rid of the Ayatollah or you replace a Khomeini with a Khomeini. Doesn't matter to them because that wasn't their actual objective. The actual objective was distract over here while this thing's going on and it absorbs all the headlines because within a week of that war starting, they move into southern Lebanon and just like lay waste, flatten the whole thing. You blow up all the bridges in the Latani River, which connects northern and southern Lebanon.

• 2:04:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:51Speaker 02

  And they've completely, they've already started construction, they've already started construction in Lebanon, rebuilding it into now an Israeli settlement as part of Greater Israel. Meanwhile, while the war in Iran's going on, Netanyahu has said multiple times, if there are ground troops, we are not supplying any of them.

• 2:05:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:05:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  And they're not going to be ground troops because Trump's not going to get stuck in that because, you know, he, as much as he's gone along with this stuff, he's not going to do that. It's too stupid and it's, it's, it doesn't work and I just, it's not going to happen.

• 2:05:21Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  But I don't think that was the, the point. The point for Netanyahu, the point for the Israelis is they, they didn't think, then yeah, you might weaken Iran some, but the goal is you create this gigantic Gigantic volume of noise.

• 2:05:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:36Speaker 02

  Because they couldn't just go into southern Lebanon the way they did Gaza because the whole world's still screaming about Gaza. By the way, the whole world's still screaming about Gaza and not about southern Lebanon.

• 2:05:45Danny Jones?

  That's true.

• 2:05:45Speaker 02

  Very little conversation about what's happened in Lebanon. So I think that would be one example of like, parallel moments of grabbing power. The UFO guys, I think are their own group.

• 2:05:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  Who have their own, as I said, religious view that are pushing to see that happen.

• 2:06:02Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  Um, and so these different things are happening simultaneously as long as we're all moving in the same direction to get what we ultimately want. I think we saw a lot of that with COVID, right? With COVID, it wasn't that there was one puppet master pulling the strings. It was like, the WHO has its own agenda and Bill Gates has his own agenda.

• 2:06:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  And Fauci has his own agenda and these different pharmaceutical companies have their own agenda.

• 2:06:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  And as long as we don't step on each other's profit model, we can all move in the same direction, but everyone's kind of doing their own thing while simultaneously running parallel.

• 2:06:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think you're totally right about that, man. Where, where do you think the mind is of, of Russia in all of this stuff? You and John, you and John are both former RT contributors.

• 2:06:48Speaker 02

  Yep, absolutely.

• 2:06:49Danny Jones?

  Um, um, I don't, that probably doesn't mean that you have any kind of insider knowledge or, or whatever.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  No, we just create content and give it to them.

• 2:06:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:58Speaker 02

  They run it, yeah.

• 2:06:59Danny Jones?

  Right. Um, and John famously defended that amazingly on this podcast.

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:04Danny Jones?

  We had the debate with him and this other guy, uh, this other CIA guy. Who was like, why would you, as a, as a, a former CIA agent who came to protect this country, you dedicated your life to protecting the United States of America, go work for Russian state media.

• 2:07:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And John, and John said, they fucking put me in prison.

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  Exactly. They put me in prison. He's like, that is exactly why I call out the American government.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:29Danny Jones?

  You know, it's, it's amazing.

• 2:07:30Speaker 02

  Like.

• 2:07:31Danny Jones?

  And they never told him what to say.

• 2:07:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:07:33Danny Jones?

  You're a poet on whatever he wanted every single day.

• 2:07:35Speaker 02

  Let me tell you, I, I worked, I told you with Fox and CBS and NBC, I've been in this career for 25 years. I have never had the kind of journalistic freedom as I have had with RT. They do not tell you what to talk about.

• 2:07:48Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  At all. Um, and if, the funny thing is in the US, there's like such a stigma around it.

• 2:07:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  But RT is actually like the number one or number two cable channel in most of the world.

• 2:08:00Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. They serve 800 million people. They have a massive audience.

• 2:08:05Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And if you, and if you were part of the, the-

• 2:08:10Danny Jones?

  So it's basically the Russian version of, um-

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  CNN.

• 2:08:15Danny Jones?

  CNN, but no, what was the other, what was, what's the other, like, state sanctioned American news?

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  Oh, NPR?

• 2:08:20Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:08:21Speaker 02

  Voice of America.

• 2:08:22Danny Jones?

  Voice of America. That's what it was.

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Well, yes, except Voice of America is terrible.

• 2:08:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  It's awful.

• 2:08:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:29Speaker 02

  Um, it really is. Or I, I would, you know, I'd say they're closer to is the BBC, which is also state funded.

• 2:08:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:37Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:39Danny Jones?

  So it's basically the BBC of Russia?

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  So they're, you know, and they're all over the world. They have, they have Spanish language. They have Arabic language. They're in China. Um, in fact, I was told that when Trump and his crew were all in, in China, they were all watching RT because it was the only one in English.

• 2:08:54Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  They could watch, yeah.

• 2:08:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:08:58Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I've, I've worked with them for a long time and, and-

• 2:09:00Danny Jones?

  Didn't you do a big documentary on Zelensky or something?

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  Yep. I did. That guy is unbelievable. Unbelievable. We did, it was a docu-series, 10 parts, looking at how unbelievably corrupt he is. And, and that was a couple of years ago. Like, it's gotten a lot worse.

• 2:09:16Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, especially as the Epstein stuff came out and you learned all that.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  The Epstein stuff, but even just like the day to day on the ground there, like, you know, one thing we didn't really talk about because it wasn't happening at the time, they have no soldiers. Right? There's just nobody left to fight this war. And so for the last two years, they have these conscription soldiers who go around Ukraine and they just drag men off the streets and throw them into vans and off they go. And like, you can search this, there's videos of it all over the internet. Never gets any play in our media here. And it, and it doesn't for a reason because we are funding this. We're literally funding the extermination, this is gonna sound very like, uh, you know, white nationalists of me, but the extermination of the white male population in Ukraine. Zelensky.

• 2:10:02Speaker 02

  They extended down the age in which you could be recruited. They extended up the age in which you can be recruited. They had special ed kids being dragged and thrown into these things.

• 2:10:12Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:10:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. You can find these videos where like women are trying to fight them off. And there's a guy recently, I just saw last week where he's running on his roof, trying to get away from them. They drag him off the roof, they throw him in these vans, they take him. So Zelensky doesn't have any bodies left. So now he's on a tour around Europe. He was just in Germany and he's demanding because, okay, so when the war starts, people flee, right?

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees, take a guess.

• 2:10:39Danny Jones?

  Number one country in the world to take Ukrainian refugees? Uh, America.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  No. Think graphically. Poland would be number two.

• 2:10:51Danny Jones?

  Germany?

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Is number three.

• 2:10:54Danny Jones?

  Who's number one?

• 2:10:55Speaker 02

  Russia.

• 2:10:56Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because what our media refuses to acknowledge is that eastern Ukraine is ethnically Russian. They fly Russian flags, they speak Russian.

• 2:11:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:11:06Speaker 02

  And that eastern part of Ukraine that is the, you know, central axis of this war.

• 2:11:12Danny Jones?

  Donbass area?

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  Yes, the Donbass and Crimea. Those people have been in a civil war. See, this is a video of them just getting these people. They go to restaurants, they go to nightclubs and they just drag men away.

• 2:11:23Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  I mean, imagine this happening in the United States. You were talking earlier about the draft thing.

• 2:11:28Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:11:29Speaker 02

  I mean, this is what they do. They just come get these guys and they just take them.

• 2:11:36Speaker 02

  They put them in a van, they take them to the front lines.

• 2:11:43Danny Jones?

  It would get real. It would get real for us very quick if they started doing that in America.

• 2:11:47Speaker 02

  Look at this poor guy.

• 2:11:50Speaker 02

  Just take them away.

• 2:11:52Danny Jones?

  That guy didn't even look that young.

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  No, they're not that young. The average age right now of Ukrainian soldiers is 45 years old. Cause they killed off all the young ones.

• 2:12:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  So now you're like dragging away these older guys. And it's, and the crazy thing about this is. That Zelensky is now going around Europe because like I said, the majority went into Russia and then, you know, about half of them and the rest went to Poland and Germany. So now he's going around Europe and he's saying, send them back. Like he wants, he wants the men, the young men who escaped to be forcibly sent back by other European governments to force them to go fight. A war they cannot win. There's, it's impossible. They have no ability to win this war. But they're like, he's throwing them into a wood chipper and he's just getting rid of it. And now he just made a statement the other day that in order to, because they now they need workers.

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  In order to replace that population that has died during the war at his hand, he wants to bring up men from Africa, migrant workers from Africa and bring them into Ukraine to replace the population that's been killed off from the war.

• 2:13:02Danny Jones?

  So that's fucking bananas.

• 2:13:04Speaker 02

  It's crazy and it's happening like in real time and no one says a damn thing about it, right?

• 2:13:10Danny Jones?

  Now, what is Russia doing though? Like as far as their fighters, I, I heard they were emptying prisons, giving people the option to leave prison to go fight.

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  That may be true. I've not heard that, but I would not be surprised if that were true. I know that Russia has not suffered, so our media has really lied about the, the Russian losses. And I base that not on anything the Russians say, I base that on the bodies when they're returned. So what they'll do is they do these body swaps where, and they do them about a couple of times a month. And the Russians bring all the dead bodies that are Ukrainian and the Ukrainians bring all the dead bodies that are Russians. And then they swap and they take them away to go bury their dead.

• 2:13:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  And they'll swap a hundred Russians for 6,000 Ukrainians, 10,000 Ukrainians. Like the numbers, if you look up the numbers and, and our media does report these numbers. It's just, there's no images associated with it. So people, it doesn't stick in people's head. But if you look at the body swaps, it's not even close. The Russians are not losing men the way Ukrainians are losing. And then I will say this, you know, people will say, oh, you're a Putin lover. Putin has conducted this war in a, in a way that other countries would not have. And when I have talked to people who are Russian, not in the government, just Russians. They'll say, the thing is that Putin's been very gentle with Ukraine compared to how

• 2:14:28Speaker 02

  he would be with another country. So he's moved very slowly. He has not carpet bombed by any means. They haven't flattened cities. Like if the US were going to war in there, we, we, we just carpet bomb everything, right? Like what we did to the Iranians.

• 2:14:42Danny Jones?

  Like how, what they did to Gaza.

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  Or what they did to Gaza, right? Putin could do that in a minute, but he chooses not to because he also sees Ukrainians as Russians, right? Again, most of them are ethnically Russian and speak Russian. 300 years ago Kiev was the capital of Russia.

• 2:15:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  So it's, we have a very, I mean, this whole concoction of what Ukraine looks like and Russia looks like, like this is all a 30, 40 year old model. This is not, this is not the traditional thing.

• 2:15:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  And so he's, he's been, I think, pretty patient in this process of not just running over these people. I heard him say in a speech once that a lot of the homes in some of these Donbass areas are 300 years old. He's like, those can't be replaced. Like, why are we gonna go in there and just blow everything up?

• 2:15:33Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah. I mean, it's like, if, if we could imagine Russia was putting fucking bioweapons labs in Mexico.

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:15:42Danny Jones?

  And, you know, well, me, I don't know, because China's kind of doing shit with Mexico, right? China's kind of like funding the cartels down there.

• 2:15:49Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 2:15:49Danny Jones?

  And giving them precursors for chemicals and for fentanyl and all kinds of stuff.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  And that's like 20 years old. All that, all that.

• 2:15:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, they've been doing that for a long time?

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, all the meth that was coming from, coming up from Mexico was all from chemicals in China.

• 2:16:02Danny Jones?

  Right. Right. Interesting. And we're not, it doesn't seem like we're doing shit about that.

• 2:16:07Speaker 02

  No, do anything about it. But, but the difference is, is that we're, we don't seem to mind when they're just poisoning poor people in America. Right? So you, fentanyl is like, it's so sad. Like you go to any small town and it's like the entire population is gutted by fentanyl. Our government doesn't care. But if we thought they were gonna release the measles into the country, they'd be freaking out, right? Because it might actually get into their schools and hurt their kids and, you know.

• 2:16:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I just had this dude on the other day who was a game warden, a wildlife game warden in Northern California. And they came across, one day, they found one of their streams was dried up. And like, whoa, what the fuck, what's going on with this? Like, this is weird. Usually, in that case, like, someone will be like diverting water to fill a pool or something like that. So they went up, they found it. And they found the whole thing was diverted with like, pipes and shit. And they followed it. And there was a cartel operation in the woods of Northern California, doing a giant marijuana cannabis grow out there. And they came, they pulled up on them, like, like, behind, like, the wood, behind the trees. And they saw these guys patrolling the crops, armed with like AK-47 style guns, and shit

• 2:17:23Danny Jones?

  like that. And they ended up getting in multiple shootouts with the fucking Sinaloa cartel in the woods in Mexico. And now he's saying, they're also in Montana doing this. And they can't get, they can't get any federal help. It's all like local. And they're like, the game wardens are having to go train with like, the Navy and shit, and learn how to like, do, you know, armed combat.

• 2:17:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's totally nuts. And that's, again, that's been going on for a long time. So 20, 30 years ago, that was going on in New Mexico. So the Gila National Forest, which is down in New Mexico, I remember as a, I was a 22 year old reporter, out there covering stories, and there was a guy telling me, yeah, that you got to be careful where you are, because if you come on, on these things, they have these huge marijuana grows in here. And they'll kill you, you know? And so

• 2:18:11Danny Jones?

  Could you imagine, could you imagine if China had some country like, doing cartel operations in their backyard, they'd be wiped off the face? It would never happen.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  No, would never happen. And the thing that's so crazy about it is like, these guys are would not be hard to stop. There, again, yeah, they have AK-47s. We have National Guard and military who could take them out immediately.

• 2:18:31Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  No problem. And don't tell me that we can't find them, because we're surveilling everything all the time, right? So we could find them if we wanted to. But we don't want to. It's, it's not important to, to us at all.

• 2:18:45Danny Jones?

  It's so, it's just crazy that this shit is happening right here in our own backyard. And it's like, everyone, every politician, they just want to worry about everything that's going on overseas and in the Middle East. And everyone here just has to sit back and, and suffer this shit. It's crazy.

• 2:19:00Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:19:02Danny Jones?

  And, you know, back to what you were saying about Ukraine, like the, the whole thing with the bioweapons labs that were set up there. And like, you know, Victoria and the Newland has famously been like,

• 2:19:14Danny Jones?

  known for like being behind all the corruption in Ukraine and trying to use Ukraine as this like, Ukraine's been in this like historic tug of war with the US and Russia. And going back to like the, uh, the color revolution, the orange revolution and all that stuff. And like trying to control the resources and apparently they have like trillions of dollars of natural resources there that we want to control and we don't let, I think Lindsey Graham said something like, oh, we, we need all their resources. And we can't let China get those trillions of dollars of minerals. We need to get those trillions of dollars of minerals. And at the same time, at the same time, we have, uh, biological labs there, but they aren't for weapons. They're for, uh, defending against biological attacks or something like that. Like it's like,

• 2:19:58Speaker 02

  It's nonsense.

• 2:19:59Danny Jones?

  How are we supposed to believe all this shit?

• 2:20:00Speaker 02

  It's nonsense. So the, the bioweapons, uh, story is interesting. So in 2022, I was one of the first people who covered that story. And I actually found a reporter who two years before that had actually been reporting on it in Ukraine. And she had talked about the fact that there were 30, 40 of these labs that were set up. And one thing that she had mentioned in her reporting, the, all the Americans who worked in those labs, because they were Americans who were working in those labs. It wasn't just Ukrainians. Every single one of them had diplomatic immunity. Now, if you're just creating stuff where you're like, oh, we're just trying to make sure that, you know, we don't get into outbreak of SARS or polio or something. Why would you need diplomatic immunity for that? They all have diplomatic immunity to be able to work there.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  The other thing is there were a lot of reports just before 2014. So right before, um, Yanukovych, who was the democratically elected leader that we helped to overthrow, before he was removed, he actually announced an investigation into those bio labs because there were reports of measles outbreaks, Ebola.

• 2:21:05Speaker 02

  A number of different diseases that broke out in the communities surrounding those labs. And so people were getting rightfully so upset, saying, what are they doing in these things? We're having these weird outbreaks of disease in our communities.

• 2:21:18Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:21:18Speaker 02

  So he ordered a, an investigation and threatened to expel all of the members of the US who are in those, working in those labs from the country. And it was only a matter of months before that color revolution happened. I'm not saying it's, I'm not saying it's the only reason, but I believe it was a strong reason for it. And that's never been reported outside of Ukraine. It was reported in Ukraine, but not outside.

• 2:21:44Danny Jones?

  That's fucking nuts, dude.

• 2:21:45Speaker 02

  By the way, also interestingly about bio labs, taking us back to our friend Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:21:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:51Speaker 02

  Lot of emails about the bio labs in Ukraine. Emails.

• 2:21:55Danny Jones?

  With Epstein?

• 2:21:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. So in Ukraine, Epstein is writing about the fact that he had sperm modification, experiments going on, human cloning experiments going on. He has emails about this and he's writing to one of his, we don't know who it is because they're all redacted.

• 2:22:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:22:17Speaker 02

  He's writing to someone, talking about how his, his funders who were helping to fund this, wanted to be super careful that their names were not included in any emails or any conversations, because it was very sensitive work that they were doing.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  Here's one, yeah. This is the.

• 2:22:35Danny Jones?

  Embryo was nine months. Great. Can you zoom in a little bit? I like implant embryo A zero. Wait nine months. Great ending. Other updates, proceeding with more mouse testing at my Ukraine lab. Surgeries, micro injections, amateur in Mississippi has been testing human sperm modification. Just fluorescent tagging so far doesn't work for my purposes yet. Amateur in Mississippi has been testing human sperm modifications just for less than tagging, uh, for just fluorescent tagging purposes yet. This weekend I'm heading to a something, there's a link there.

• 2:23:20Danny Jones?

  Biohack the planet. Oh my God, dude.

• 2:23:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, um, Dropsite News reported on something related to this where he was actually working with NSA, like hackers to like hack the human genome or something like this to figure out how to make super babies or whatever.

• 2:23:37Speaker 02

  And, and well, super babies and/or there is a lot of conversation in these emails about black market babies where they wanted to breed and grow babies for black market purposes.

• 2:23:50Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 2:23:51Speaker 02

  So I think he was doing both things. I think, I think that he was working to create what he thought were going to be like super humans through some of this testing. Uh, and I think he was also trying to create a supply of babies that could be used for other purposes.

• 2:24:05Danny Jones?

  For their occult rituals.

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  Oh my god, man.

• 2:24:09Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:24:11Speaker 02

  Which is, it goes back to what you said earlier. It all comes back to Epstein somehow.

• 2:24:15Danny Jones?

  It really.

• 2:24:16Speaker 02

  And it's not because Epstein's the center of it. It's that all these things are going on and Epstein was very good at his job, which was to insert himself into all these things that were going on.

• 2:24:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So he's not the sun that everything's rotating around. He is more like a virus that everywhere he goes, he's trying to inject himself into it.

• 2:24:34Danny Jones?

  Yes, that's a great way of putting it. I remember spending like two nights in a row ripping through all of his emails with Steve Bannon because that relationship really intrigued me. I was like, you know, it's so weird that the day Trump fired Bannon in the first term, he literally got in his car and went straight to New York to meet with Epstein and to film those videos with him in his Manhattan townhome.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:24:59Danny Jones?

  And I read probably the first 100 emails that Epstein sent to Bannon. He was so desperate to meet with him.

• 2:25:08Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:25:09Danny Jones?

  And Bannon was just ducking him.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:11Danny Jones?

  At every last turn, like Epstein would send in the morning and say, in New, in Palm Beach, couldn't be in New York these dates or whatever. Let's meet up, whatever. Bannon would send him like. Okay, we'll try. And then like, the next email would be like, are you in New York? Are you available to meet? And Bannon would email him six hours later, one word letter, no. And it was, it went on like that for months, maybe almost a year.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:34Danny Jones?

  Where Epstein was chasing this guy down. And, uh, you know, Bannon's a interesting character. Obviously, he's a very intelligent guy. He's like scary intelligent.

• 2:25:45Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:25:46Danny Jones?

  And, um, the people he's around and the things that he says and the things that he do, that the things that he does and the things that he say, that he says, often are, they don't match up. And I've always wondered, like, what's really going on with Bannon? Like, where did he come from? And it's really crazy, like, this guy got most of his money from Seinfeld.

• 2:26:09Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 2:26:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:11Speaker 02

  How so?

• 2:26:11Danny Jones?

  He was, he was the guy that put together the Seinfeld deal.

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:26:15Danny Jones?

  He gets checks every month for Sei- from Seinfeld.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  No idea.

• 2:26:19Danny Jones?

  It's insane where this guy, how this guy's connected.

• 2:26:21Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 2:26:23Danny Jones?

  You know, and you know, one of his most famous sayings is, is, uh, politics is downstream of culture, which he's dead, dead right about.

• 2:26:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:29Danny Jones?

  And, you know, he's, he's another one that's similar to Epstein where he's everywhere. And, you know, I think it makes the most sense that Epstein was like really worried at the end about trying to revive his public persona.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26:42Danny Jones?

  And he wanted to get Bannon there to do that. But if you watch the video of Bannon and Epstein, Bannon's really like going at him. Especially towards the end there. He's not being like, playing softball.

• 2:26:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:26:54Danny Jones?

  He's not playing nice guy at all.

• 2:26:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:56Danny Jones?

  He's like, do you think you're Satan? And he's like, I have a good mirror. So I, I don't know. Bannon's a spooky one to me, man.

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  I, I, I just don't know much about him, other than to say that I agree with the concept that Bannon understands.

• 2:27:14Speaker 02

  Middle America politics, better than anybody in Washington. He understands what people want to hear. He understands their plight. He understands, I mean, he's the only reason Trump got elected in 2016. The stuff Trump talked about was considered completely, what is it? Persona non grata, like you could not talk about it.

• 2:27:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  You could not talk about things like NAFTA and jobs and immigration.

• 2:27:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  You could not bash the wars. All of that came from Steve Bannon, saying, this is the position that you've got to take. And it's, I think to a lot of, of people in the political class, it was risky. Or foolish, but he knew exactly what he was doing. I think that whoever ran the campaign in 2024, went back to that. Right. They leaned back into it. Susie Wiles, I guess, was the one who, who actually ran that campaign.

• 2:28:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, 100% man.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So to me Bannon's an interesting character because again, I, I think he, he understands that. I don't think his time at Breitbart was necessarily great after Andrew, because Andrew was a real one. Andrew Breitbart was, he was something else, man. He was.

• 2:28:22Danny Jones?

  I don't know much about him.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  He was, I think, one of the like real OG guys who would have been considered as the conspiracy guy. But he, he saw it all, like he saw the Clintons for what they were. He saw the apparatus in DC for what it was. And it was out of that Andrew Breitbart that we got Ben Shapiro, who obviously has spun out into clear insanity. And we had Steve Bannon, who ultimately took it over for him. But if Andrew Breitbart were not dead, I think that we would have seen a very different. MAGA would have been different, stronger.

• 2:29:04Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:29:05Speaker 02

  More of a conscience.

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  Charlie Kirk weren't dead, MAGA would be different. Stronger, more of a conscience. Like, some of those guys who have been like the real, they're not, they're not political. They're principled are the ones who disappear. The more principled they are, the less likely they are to be able to survive it.

• 2:29:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah, what, what is your whole take on the Charlie Kirk thing? That's such a crazy, that was like a big, no pun intended, turning point in like the last year.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure. Well, look, I always tell people as a journalist, um, my job is the what, not the why. Right? I can't, I can't always tell you why, but I can tell you what. And I can tell you that, first of all, with Charlie Kirk alive, there would be no war with Iran. Because he stopped it the first time. He's, it was supposed to have happened last year. When Trump did the Operation Midnight Hammer and just ended up just blowing up the, nuclear facility that was empty.

• 2:30:07Danny Jones?

  They used the, the mother of all bombs, right? The bunker busters.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Charlie Kirk went to the White House, sat with Trump and said, don't do this. Like, this is a mistake. You'll lose your base. You'll lose these people. After Charlie Kirk is no longer around, all of a sudden, we're stuck in a war with Iran.

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Thomas Massie was Charlie Kirk's favorite congressman. Has the highest.

• 2:30:31Danny Jones?

  Was he really?

• 2:30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, this is, these are Charlie Kirk's words on air. My favorite congressman, right? Because he is the most principled, most conservative, sticks with the constitution. Turning Point USA has something called the Turning Point Action Score. And it's based on your voting record and how conservative and, and, and how aligned with the constitution you are. Thomas Massie has the highest score of all time among any member of Congress on that Turning Point Action Score. But without Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA refused to endorse Thomas Massie. This year.

• 2:31:07Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, even though he still holds their highest action score. And as someone rightly pointed out, so what's the point? What's the point of having a score at all? If the guy who has the highest score of what you say is valued was a congressman? You then say, well, I'm, we're not going to endorse you because the president doesn't like you. So we don't like you.

• 2:31:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:31:26Speaker 02

  Right? And, and so I can tell you about those whats.

• 2:31:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:30Speaker 02

  As far as the actual Charlie Kirk's death, I can tell you that the Tyler Robinson story makes no sense.

• 2:31:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:38Speaker 02

  There's no way Tyler Robinson is the guy who shot him. It's just, it's ridiculous. There's so much stuff that gets glossed over like when the shooting happens.

• 2:31:46Danny Jones?

  I haven't heard that name in so long.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Tyler Robinson?

• 2:31:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Like, remember the day that it happens, there's some older man who stands up and puts his hands up. And says, it was me, it was me, whatever happened to that guy? Oh, he was confused, he was confused.

• 2:32:00Danny Jones?

  Wasn't he also at some other crazy event?

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  I think he was.

• 2:32:03Danny Jones?

  I think he was at, uh, was it nine 11? He was at some other crazy big event like that, some big, some big like mass death event.

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 2:32:14Danny Jones?

  It might've been nine 11.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  Might've been. I don't, I don't know for sure. I just know this guy gets glossed over. Like, that was nothing. He was some guy who was confused. He was confused that he thought he killed Charlie Kirk? Like, that's, that's not confusion, that's distraction.

• 2:32:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:32:29Speaker 02

  What was this? Tyler Robinson climbing up on a roof? First of all, the shot they have of him, which they AI enhanced, which is, I mean, that alone, if you're a defense attorney, like, anything that's AI enhanced should be thrown out.

• 2:32:40Danny Jones?

  What shot was AI enhanced?

• 2:32:41Speaker 02

  So the original shot of him walking up to the building and, and his, that T-shirt and everything where they, they had the original picture and then the AI enhanced it? The AI enhancement does not look like the original picture.

• 2:32:52Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the face is not different.

• 2:32:54Danny Jones?

  Pull it up, the original photo of Tyler Robinson compared to-

• 2:32:57Speaker 02

  Going into the building.

• 2:32:59Danny Jones?

  Going into the building.

• 2:33:01Speaker 02

  And if you look at the AI version of it, his face is different.

• 2:33:03Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's not like dramatically different, but it's different enough that you'd say, how do you know that's the same person?

• 2:33:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  Also, then you claim once he got up on the roof, he changed his clothes.

• 2:33:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  So the clothes he's wearing when he walks into the building is not the clothes he's wearing when he's on the roof. So what was the point of showing us the picture of him walking into the building? Then you claim that he- Was walking in without a gun because he had it hidden on him and he assembled the gun.

• 2:33:26Danny Jones?

  Right. And then disassembled it, put it back in his backpack after?

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  And then climbed off the roof and then ran into the woods and reassembled it and left it there. Like, what? And then the last thing that's the most interesting thing to me is, I don't know if you've seen this and we should pull this up too. Apparently, apparently, uh, the, remember he writes this message to some, some group online or like a Facebook group or something?

• 2:33:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  Where he's like, hey, guys, it's me, Tyler. I'm the one who did it. I killed. Apparently this message is sent after he's in custody.

• 2:33:57Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:33:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you should pull that up too, because.

• 2:34:00Danny Jones?

  It was on some sort of like private forum or something or Discord, right?

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:07Danny Jones?

  So is this the photo we're talking about?

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  So this is the photo. So there's, there's two versions of it, right? And there's, there's a version of him when he's.

• 2:34:16Danny Jones?

  Walking up the stairs?

• 2:34:17Speaker 02

  Up the stairs in, and then the one that the, the FBI used when they said they found him had been AI enhanced. So his face was different.

• 2:34:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:34:28Danny Jones?

  Steven, Steven, when you, when you type this in Google, yeah, yeah, AI enhanced versus.

• 2:34:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, there you go. See, like those two pictures.

• 2:34:41Danny Jones?

  Hold, what?

• 2:34:45Danny Jones?

  Click on that. Click visit underneath that X post. I want to see what they say about this. This is why you shouldn't pass an AI enhanced version of a low resolution photo. None of the AI generated versions of this, uh, look like Tyler Robinson. You would have slowed down the efforts of finding him because we'd be looking for the wrong guy. Okay. Now click on.

• 2:35:06Danny Jones?

  Whoa. So that's the original one.

• 2:35:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:35:11Danny Jones?

  It's like five bit compared to these other ones.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 2:35:14Danny Jones?

  Now go to his actual photo.

• 2:35:18Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  Also, the FBI has claimed that Tyler Robinson's family was the ones who turned him in. They convinced him, remember, to turn himself in. His family, I know two reporters who have talked with the family extensively, who say, the family says, none of that is true.

• 2:35:39Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:35:40Speaker 02

  They did not turn him in. That is not true.

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• 2:36:13Speaker 02

  And the FBI says it, they, they made statements about it, that they did not, they did not. So, um, I mean, there's a lot wrong with the story.

• 2:36:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. And obviously you, um, you know, you've seen the videos. I don't know what's true or not. The guy who tugs his arm and there's a lot of claims about like a hidden gun in the hand and

• 2:36:32Danny Jones?

  There's also claimed that the microphone was an explosive thing.

• 2:36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:35Danny Jones?

  Or something like that.

• 2:36:36Speaker 02

  Which, you know, isn't hard to believe when you can make a pager blow up.

• 2:36:39Danny Jones?

  Not hard to believe at all.

• 2:36:40Speaker 02

  Also saw something, um, and I don't know how true it is, but I also saw something when the Pakistan negotiations were taking place.

• 2:36:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:49Speaker 02

  Uh, and Vance and his team were there. Somebody posted on X and said, don't know who it is, but seven of the nine mobile devices that were at the Charlie Kirk, the day Charlie Kirk died, that were at that location, are right now registering in Pakistan.

• 2:37:09Danny Jones?

  I saw that.

• 2:37:10Speaker 02

  Don't know, I don't even know how they would know that.

• 2:37:14Speaker 02

  But I thought it was very interesting. And then there's a bunch of other things too, right? Remember, there's a some kind of a private plane that takes off shortly afterwards.

• 2:37:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the Egyptian plane stuff.

• 2:37:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, there's just a lot wrong with the story. And I think we're living in a moment.

• 2:37:27Danny Jones?

  The problem is, there's too many threads. There's too many threads. You can get lost.

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  And it's intentional. Yeah, right. So, so I've told people for a long time. Disinformation, real disinformation, right, is not the person who's putting out the wrong theory. There is a concerted tactical effort that's made online. And this has been going on for over 10 years, where when people start to get close to something, a particular story will be flooded with information that's really bad. And it gets crazier and crazier and crazier.

• 2:37:58Danny Jones?

  That's another great man in quote, he says, exactly what you're saying. He said, you flood the zone.

• 2:38:02Speaker 02

  Then you don't know what's true and not true. And, and people become exhausted at trying to parse what is true and not true. Just like you said with the Epstein stuff earlier. So what happens? So you get exhausted by it. So you say, don't even want to talk about it.

• 2:38:16Danny Jones?

  People just disengage. It's too much work. Too much stuff. Too many threads to follow. It's too much work to actually, if you really want to find the truth, to actually go fucking dig up every source and really interrogate this story, like down to the, to the root of it was, is you're right. It's so exhausting, especially in today's day and age, where this is just constant fucking, we're getting battered over the head with new shit every single second.

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  So then the other way you deal with it is you just say, whatever the authority says. That's what it turns into. Yeah. So they accomplish their same goal, which is, we can't, we can't defeat the internet. But if we flood the zone, if we make it so confusing that people can't even deal with it, then they just say, you know what?

• 2:39:00Danny Jones?

  The truth can be out there.

• 2:39:02Speaker 02

  Oh, it is.

• 2:39:03Danny Jones?

  No one's gonna be able to pick that needle out of the haystack.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  But how do you find it? So in the case of Tyler Robinson, I think now what's a little bit different for him is, so you have a, you have a trial. So let's see what comes out in the trial. Or is the jury pool already so tainted in believing that it was you, that there's nothing that's going to change their mind? Who knows? I have no idea who his lawyers, I don't know how good he is. But I feel like, look, the fact that, that Joe Kent, who was the

• 2:39:33Danny Jones?

  Counterterrorism.

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  Counterterrorism domestically, right? Said that he would testify at that trial is a big deal. And of course, he was demonized for it. How dare you want to help? He's like, I just.

• 2:39:44Danny Jones?

  He wanted to help with that. And he said on an interview, I think with Tucker was he said that they waved him off. They said, we don't want your help with this.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Because he wanted to know, he wanted to investigate whether or not the Israelis had any role in it.

• 2:39:57Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:39:58Speaker 02

  And they said, no, FBI shut it down. I don't even know how the FBI has the authority to shut it down.

• 2:40:03Danny Jones?

  I think.

• 2:40:04Speaker 02

  He said for it.

• 2:40:04Danny Jones?

  He didn't even say Israeli.

• 2:40:05Speaker 02

  He didn't say Israeli. He said for it. But that's what he was looking at.

• 2:40:08Danny Jones?

  He's very, he's been very, very measured and very balanced about this stuff.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  He is. He is. He, and I don't think he's like, you know, there's a Jew under every rock. I don't think he's like, that guy at all.

• 2:40:19Danny Jones?

  Right, no.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  But I do think that, look, if, if there's a foreign power that is going to kill Charlie Kirk, that's where you would start.

• 2:40:26Danny Jones?

  That's definitely where you would start.

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  Not Iran. They're very good at killing people, right? That, and let's, let's give Mossad credit. They're good at killing people.

• 2:40:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  I mean, the pager thing, pretty brilliant.

• 2:40:37Danny Jones?

  They make everyone's pagers explode. Five years and you're out of fucking civilization I'm aware of.

• 2:40:42Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it's good stuff, man. If like, if you're, if that's what you do for a living, which is what they do for a living. Yeah, they're very good at it. But also you have to be in a, in a environment where everyone's complicit, right? So that you have to have the feds who are complicit in it. They're not going to make noise. You have to have a media that's complicit in it. So if you said the Russians killed Charlie Kirk and there was any evidence, you don't think, you think they would have blocked his investigation? No way. They'd say, go get him, Joe. Go get him. If you can prove that Putin's hiding behind the thing and he's like, detonate. And like, yeah, you know, they'd be all about that. They'd love that. If they thought that she was back there and he's like, take him out. Absolutely. The only reason they got upset was because everyone knows who is the most likely suspect. Doesn't mean they did it,

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  but who's the most likely suspect?

• 2:41:28Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  Because Charlie Kirk didn't have an issue with those other countries, but he sure had an issue with Israel.

• 2:41:32Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Now, what about the Butler shooting?

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:37Danny Jones?

  That one's another one. That's just like that. It's crazy. Never heard another thing about that.

• 2:41:41Speaker 02

  And there was.

• 2:41:41Danny Jones?

  And you never heard anything about this guy at all. No. And then Tucker put out a documentary, like a 30 minute thing on his YouTube channel, where the government was originally saying, there's no, nothing on this guy. This guy has no online footprint, nothing. And Tucker found all this stuff of this guy posting videos on these private forums, asking questions about shooting guns and shit like. Lots of shit with this guy online that was never talked about once.

• 2:42:05Speaker 02

  Well, and we never got any answers. Remember that the day it happened, they also claimed that he had a van full of explosives. And they're like, what happened to that van? Cause that was part of the original reporting on it. So were they wrong? Was it not explosives? No one ever explained like, what happened to this? Was that supposed to go off? No one ever explained what happened to the, to the guy who was on the other water tower. So there was, he was up on a roof, but there was someone up on a water tower.

• 2:42:30Danny Jones?

  Is that proven there was a guy on the water tower?

• 2:42:32Speaker 02

  I heard, I heard that too.

• 2:42:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, there is?

• 2:42:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, I mean, he's very small little figure up there, but here's the other thing. Thomas Crooks, the guy who takes the fall for it all. There's no question he has a gun. The, the part of that story that never made sense that we reported on was why was it he was up there for three minutes with people pointing at him?

• 2:42:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:42:52Speaker 02

  Saying that guy's crawling on the roof with a rival and the president's still on stage.

• 2:42:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:55Speaker 02

  Makes no sense at all.

• 2:42:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  But here's the craziest part of it to me, that Thomas Crooks.

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  Also, uh, the other guy who was hiding in the, the bushes outside of Mar-a-Lago. Both those guys were in BlackRock promotional videos.

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  And the guy who just did the White House correspondence thing was featured in some ABC news report as a little scientist who invented a stopper for a wheelchair.

• 2:43:26Danny Jones?

  I saw that, bro.

• 2:43:27Speaker 02

  They're all, they're all in, in media stuff. That's not a coincidence.

• 2:43:31Danny Jones?

  They're all MKUltra, bro. They're all MKUltra, which Manchurian candidates. And they're, they specifically picked the people with the crazy public backgrounds that when, as soon as it comes out, people start digging, they're gonna lose their fucking minds.

• 2:43:45Speaker 02

  Right. It's not coincidental. There's no way, like, there's no way they're both in BlackRock videos and the other guy's like. You know, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be a scientist and he's on TV like showing his little inventions and then it's like two years later, he's running through the

• 2:44:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:01Speaker 02

  Hilton with a rifle that he also assembled in a closet, by the way, because what is this with these guys who are assembling guns in closets?

• 2:44:08Danny Jones?

  Right, right. And the whole thing with the, um, the mentalist guy being like right there on camera with Trump and Melania when the whole thing happens. Yeah. Like you can't write a better script.

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  Well, and the fact that everyone's like, oh my God, the guy wasn't even on the same floor.

• 2:44:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:44:23Speaker 02

  No, he's

• 2:44:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:44:24Speaker 02

  Above them. So he's not even on the floor that they're on. So then afterwards, when everyone's like, oh my gosh, we almost lost him again. We really didn't. He didn't even get close to that. Oh, and by the way, AI enhancement in that video also when he's running down the hall with the gun. Because when Benny Johnson and some of those guys were reposting the video, everybody has like white squares on them.

• 2:44:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:43Speaker 02

  Cause it's an AI video because the AI is adding these, these elements. There's a secret service guy who has a white square on him and the, and the guy

• 2:44:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, I thought that was the camera system that does that.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  No, no, it's, it's the AI that was doing it. It was, I was adding things. Cause then like it disappears.

• 2:44:57Danny Jones?

  Like a, like a, like a white square of following them as they go?

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  It's a white square that disappears off of him and then it goes to the other guy. So it looks like he's running with like this thing and then it disappears out of his hands and then, and then it pops up on somebody else.

• 2:45:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  But it was because they enhanced it. So stop enhancing it. First of all, here's what I don't get. Why do we have such shitty video for all these people? When your ring doorbell is like 4K, 6K.

• 2:45:21Danny Jones?

  I know, right?

• 2:45:22Speaker 02

  Right? And then we see this video and it's like, you can't even make out who's who.

• 2:45:25Danny Jones?

  Dude, this, this reminds me, this reminds me, uh, we're fucking like rapid fire right now. I love it. The, the missing scientist thing, the big general, that, that fucking top level general that we're missing. How does that motherfucker not have a ring doorbell?

• 2:45:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:45:38Danny Jones?

  Like my 90 year old grandma has a ring doorbell. You're telling me a top level, five star military general doesn't have a ring doorbell?

• 2:45:47Speaker 02

  Well, okay.

• 2:45:49Speaker 02

  So we also have been reporting on this thing on the missing scientists. There's like 13 of them now, right? 14.

• 2:45:55Danny Jones?

  A lot of them aren't connected. Amy Eskridge, that was years ago.

• 2:45:58Speaker 02

  Well, it was, yeah, it was years ago, but I don't know that she's not connected. The Amy Eskridge thing is interesting because I think she was more involved in the UFO thing. Because she's talking about like being tormented and harassed and stuff, which from some of the people I've talked to about what this this disclosure that's coming is, that's very much a part of that stuff. What's more interesting to me are the number of people who were working at Los Alamos in New Mexico, because that's like half of them were working at Los Alamos and they all just walked off.

• 2:46:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah. One lady brought her hairdryer with her.

• 2:46:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. They just disappear in the middle of the night and they're gone. Like, what is that? So are they being rounded up? They may not be dead at all. They may all be sitting in someplace working on this stuff.

• 2:46:43Danny Jones?

  Bro, I had this guy on the podcast the other day who was a former scientist for NSA and the CIA. In fact, fun, fun fact, he actually met Carl Sagan in NSA headquarters. He said Sagan had a contractor badge on him.

• 2:46:57Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:46:58Danny Jones?

  So he was telling me that when he started working for the NSA doing science shit, there he was doing some sort of experiment to put a probe in Venus for with Russia in conjunction with Russia to like measure the atmosphere in Venus and all this stuff.

• 2:47:10Danny Jones?

  They made him sign this incredible NDA. Like the NDAs, they make these people sign that get like top secret access to shit are so crazy to where they even tell you if you violate any of these things in this NDA, or if you become mentally, because you have so much top secret information in your head. If you start to become mentally unstable, or if you start to get dementia, or any sort of like psychological mental illness, we start to detect this, you're literally signing off that the government may take any sanction necessary to get rid of you. So you're, you have, you're signing off that you're allowing the government to take your life,

• 2:47:55Danny Jones?

  or you are, you have the two options. We're going to take your life or you have to walk away from your public life.

• 2:48:02Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:48:03Danny Jones?

  So, yes, and he says this general would have absolutely had to have signed off on one of these things because he had access to the tippy top programs that were like the spookiest UFO pro- like the, the, the tip of the spear when it comes to secret black budget technology, this guy had access to all of it.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:48:22Danny Jones?

  So, he said it's like very, very likely that this guy was willing to protect his wife and his family to just walk away from his entire life. And that's why he probably took his gun and there's no footage of him on a ring doorbell. He probably just like self, self kidnapped in some way because.

• 2:48:44Speaker 02

  So did the, does that mean that they hold you someplace or do?

• 2:48:48Danny Jones?

  I have no idea what it means, but like, but all I know is what he said, he goes, he knows for a fact that the, the, the, those crazy NDAs that make you sign when you get access to that stuff, you're, you're signing away your, your right to be taken by the government or be murdered by the government.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  So why make you sign that? What's the point of signing that? Like just kill him. Why would you sign the agreement to be like, yes, you can kill me so they can hold up in a court of law?

• 2:49:13Danny Jones?

  Right, I know, right? Yeah, I don't know.

• 2:49:17Speaker 02

  That's so weird.

• 2:49:17Danny Jones?

  I don't know why, yeah, because yeah, they might as well just do it because they're going to get away with it anyways, right?

• 2:49:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're going to say, like, oh, well, he was depressed.

• 2:49:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we whacked him, but he saw, look at this piece of paper he signed.

• 2:49:28Speaker 02

  Technically, it's not a crime.

• 2:49:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:49:30Speaker 02

  Which, which maybe that's the point.

• 2:49:31Danny Jones?

  And if you listen to the, the 911 call with his wife?

• 2:49:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:34Danny Jones?

  She sounds extremely calm. She does not sound like a woman who just like who, who's afraid that her husband is missing and he's not like, and she's worried. She does not sound worried. She sounds extremely calm. She doesn't sound panicked at all and um, she sounds very measured, very measured temperament. So.

• 2:49:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:54Speaker 02

  Also a mystery, what happened to Samantha Guthrie's mom?

• 2:49:59Danny Jones?

  I don't know, but I couldn't get that on my TV for a month.

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  UFOs and Iran and all this stuff. And by the way, where is this old lady?

• 2:50:10Danny Jones?

  What the fuck happened? Did they ever figure it out?

• 2:50:11Speaker 02

  No, no, she's like vanished. And that's another thing like they have like one shot of like a weird face in the Ring doorbell. And it's like, we are the most surveilled nation in the world, right? There's cameras everywhere. You tell me you don't have a single shot of like this person, other than like this close to their eyeball, next to the Ring doorbell?

• 2:50:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:50:32Speaker 02

  It's so weird. And then, did you see the, when she read the statement on air? And I can't think of the movie. There's a movie that basically she, where, where this person's loved one is kidnapped. It's not the movie ransom, but it's similar to that. Where there's this loved one is kidnapped, and the script she reads on air is almost identical.

• 2:50:53Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. See if you can find that.

• 2:50:58Speaker 02

  It's Savannah Guthrie's mom who's missing.

• 2:51:01Danny Jones?

  So Savannah Guthrie read this on air?

• 2:51:03Speaker 02

  She read this on air. And it was almost word for word, the same as what was in this movie.

• 2:51:09Danny Jones?

  Type in Savannah Guthrie, public speech, connection to movie?

• 2:51:15Speaker 02

  Oh, here it is.

• 2:51:17Danny Jones?

  Viewer, viewers and internet sleuths noted that her exact phrasing, Nancy is in full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see. Was eerily similar to a line from the 1991 movie Silence of the Lambs?

• 2:51:31Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:51:32Danny Jones?

  Senator goes on television to beg for her abducted daughter's release. Catherine's very genocidal. Talk to her and you'll see.

• 2:51:39Speaker 02

  See, stuff like that. Now that's the, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm a conspiracy realist, I guess. Because a lot of the stuff I've reported on ends up becoming true.

• 2:51:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:47Speaker 02

  But that makes me a conspiracy theorist. When I see stuff like that. Cause I'm like, there's a part of me that thinks, you're planting like weird stuff all around us, like to make, it's, they're like breadcrumbs to take you in all these weird directions. I'm not saying that, you know, maybe she just happened to have watched Silence of the Lambs at some point. I have this great idea of something, something I'm gonna say. But it's just, it's so weird to do that.

• 2:52:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, is it side by side? Give it to me.

• 2:52:20Speaker 04

  Full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see.

• 2:52:27Speaker 04

  Catherine is very gentle and kind. Talk to her and you'll see.

• 2:52:34Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Kind of close. Not exactly.

• 2:52:36Speaker 02

  Not exactly. Actually, the actress in Silence of the Lambs was more convincing.

• 2:52:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she was.

• 2:52:42Speaker 02

  The way that Samantha's smiling at the end is so bizarre.

• 2:52:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, God. Listen, bro, this has been super fun, man. Thank you for doing this.

• 2:52:48Speaker 02

  Thank you. Really enjoyed it.

• 2:52:50Danny Jones?

  This has been awesome. So tell me more about this documentary you're working on. When is, how much work have you done on it? When you plan on dropping it? And where do you plan on dropping it?

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  Well, we're hoping for an actual theatrical release for it. It's what we're working on, if not streaming. But we're hoping by this fall, it'll be ready to go. So.

• 2:53:05Danny Jones?

  I can't wait to see this, bro.

• 2:53:06Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:53:07Danny Jones?

  We'll have to do it again when you get that movie released.

• 2:53:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Absolutely.

• 2:53:10Danny Jones?

  Awesome. Where else can people find your work?

• 2:53:13Speaker 02

  So you can find me on X and Instagram. It's at Ben Swan, B E N S W A N N underscore. I love those. And then we're just getting back on you. I was banned from YouTube for like the last 10 years.

• 2:53:24Danny Jones?

  What? For the Pizzagate shit?

• 2:53:26Speaker 02

  No, I was actually banned over COVID.

• 2:53:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, we got in a lot of trouble during COVID too.

• 2:53:30Speaker 02

  COVID was not good for me with YouTube, but we're back, we're finally back on. So we're rebuilding that channel. We had a couple of million people. Now we're down to like, we're starting with 15,000. So.

• 2:53:39Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  You can find me there. It's under the Ben Swan.

• 2:53:41Danny Jones?

  Perfect.

• 2:53:41Speaker 02

  On YouTube. Awesome. Check those out.

• 2:53:43Danny Jones?

  We'll link it all below, brother. Thanks again.

• 2:53:44Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:53:45Danny Jones?

  Good night, everybody.

• 2:53:46Speaker 00

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