The Body Stack Episode: What Sam and Shaan Do To Get Healthy And How Much They Spend Doing It

Episode 366: Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) and Sam Parr (@TheSamParr) talk about all things body: what they do to get healthy, stay healthy and how much they spend doing it. ----- Links: * When Violence Is The Answer * Primal Kitchen * Central Athlete * MyBodyTutor * InsideTracker * RunLab * Aaptiv * MyFitnessPal * fitiv * The Bare Performance Podcast * Mind Pump podcast * Do you love MFM and want to see Sam and Shaan's smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. * Want more insights like MFM? Check out Shaan's newsletter. ------ Show Notes: (04:00) - Craigslist coach (12:15) - Sam's body stack (23:00) - Shaan's Body Google Doc (30:00) - Discipline/motivation quote ----- Past guests on My First Million include Rob Dyrdek, Hasan Minhaj, Balaji Srinivasan, Jake Paul, Dr. Andrew Huberman, Gary Vee, Lance Armstrong, Sophia Amoruso, Ariel Helwani, Ramit Sethi, Stanley Druckenmiller, Peter Diamandis, Dharmesh Shah, Brian Halligan, Marc Lore, Jason Calacanis, Andrew Wilkinson, Julian Shapiro, Kat Cole, Codie Sanchez, Nader Al-Naji, Steph Smith, Trung Phan, Nick Huber, Anthony Pompliano, Ben Askren, Ramon Van Meer, Brianne Kimmel, Andrew Gazdecki, Scott Belsky, Moiz Ali, Dan Held, Elaine Zelby, Michael Saylor, Ryan Begelman, Jack Butcher, Reed Duchscher, Tai Lopez, Harley Finkelstein, Alexa von Tobel, Noah Kagan, Nick Bare, Greg Isenberg, James Altucher, Randy Hetrick and more. ----- Additional episodes you might enjoy: • #224 Rob Dyrdek - How Tracking Every Second of His Life Took Rob Drydek from 0 to $405M in Exits • #209 Gary Vaynerchuk - Why NFTS Are the Future • #178 Balaji Srinivasan - Balaji on How to Fix the Media, Cloud Cities & Crypto * #169 - How One Man Started 5, Billion Dollar Companies, Dan Gilbert's Empire, & Talking With Warren Buffett • ​​​​#218 - Why You Should Take a Think Week Like Bill Gates • Dave Portnoy vs The World, Extreme Body Monitoring, The Future of Apparel Retail, "How Much is Anthony Pompliano Worth?", and More • How Mr Beast Got 100M Views in Less Than 4 Days, The $25M Chrome Extension, and More

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• 0:00Sam Parr?

  Like the point of business and money is like to live a really long and good life. And the really, the best way to do that, money is maybe number two. Number one is just like being fit. And I wanted to spend 10 minutes talking about my personal, I was like, what do engineers say? They say like tech stack, marketing stack. Let's talk about our body stack.

• 0:26Shaan Puri?

  All right, it's Friday and we're going to do something a little different. So, you know, people know us, they know us for our brains. They know us for our money, but they also know us for our body.

• 0:39Shaan Puri?

  Me and Sam were doing an episode and for some reason we got on a 30 minute tangent about fitness as an entrepreneur, fitness as a, as a business person, what we do. More specifically, like what's the routines? What are the, what are the things that are working for us? What are the tactics? What are the goals we have? Things like that. So we decided to make it a separate episode. So this is a, this is the body episode of my first million. Let us know if you like it. Sam, what did, uh, what are they going to get by listening to this?

• 1:08Sam Parr?

  I name drop lots of products that I pay for. None of these people have paid me. I'm more than happy to accept payment from them. So if you're, you know, my fitness pal, yeah. I use my fitness pal. I love it. So if you guys want to give me some money.

• 1:21Shaan Puri?

  Let's just put it out there. If you are one of these companies or a competitor to one of these companies, pay us.

• 1:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah, willing to be bought. So anyway, it's a 30 minute episode on, or is it 30, maybe 20 on different fitness stuff? And the things that we spend our money on to be fit, which basically is kind of more important than the whole making money thing, because if you're not fit and you're not healthy, you can't really do that thing. So we talked all about it.

• 1:44Shaan Puri?

  As one of our friends, as one of our friends who's, uh, you know, super successful, they've been a guest on the podcast before, worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They said this once, and I can't use their name because it's a little not politically correct, but they said this, if you're rich, there's no excuse to be fat. And they said that because I was like, man, you spend a lot of time like working out like, what are you, what are you trying to do here? And they just said, like, look, the point of having financial freedom is to be able to spend it, spend your time doing things that are like, you know, luxuries, things that like make your life better. And one of the things that makes your life way better is having a good like kind of fitness routine and being a, you know, a healthy, fit person. And so that's kind of the idea. Sam is extremely fit. Sam, you're like

• 2:28Shaan Puri?

  in the top 0.1% probably of like founders who are fit.

• 2:33Sam Parr?

  Well, yeah, I mean, that's.

• 2:34Shaan Puri?

  I added the founder Venn diagram.

• 2:36Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Give me that founder thing. And yeah, we'll definitely call it 0.1%, but you know, that's like, that's an easy, that's an easy game to win, maybe.

• 2:45Shaan Puri?

  And I've been going from pretty unfit to now like, you know, as we say, I was the before, before photo. Now I'm just a before photo and I'm getting to the after. And so you get both perspectives. You get the perspective of somebody who's like all about that life and somebody who is like, you know, it doesn't come easy to them, but they're, they're making it happen. So, so yeah, enjoy the episode.

• 3:04Sam Parr?

  All right, we live. What's going on? How are you?

• 3:08Shaan Puri?

  I'm sore.

• 3:09Sam Parr?

  From what?

• 3:10Shaan Puri?

  So I went, I went on Craigslist because I had, I wanted something. And I think Craigslist is massively underrated. Craigslist is so good. There is, if you want a job, Craigslist, if you want a couch, Craigslist, if you want to learn something, Craigslist, if you want to hook up Craigslist, whatever you want, Craigslist has got the thing for you. And it has the most liquidity. So you go in there and I, I was looking for a, um, a new, uh, new chef. And so I went on there and I was like, oh, new chef and immediately started getting hit with things. And I was like, why don't I use Craigslist more? Look at these responses. This is amazing. So I was like, what else do I want? Right? Craigslist is my like magic lamp. This is the genie and I need to go and I need to make another wish. And so I go, oh yeah, remember that video of Mark Zuckerberg? And so this is the part

• 3:56Shaan Puri?

  I learned from you, which is describe it like a kid with no filter. So I literally just put up a video. I, I put up the post, I go, uh, hey, I was watching, I was on Tik Tok and I saw this video. It looked awesome. I want to do that.

• 4:13Shaan Puri?

  So I was like, I want to do that. That looks fun. And I was like, will you come? I was like, will somebody come to my house to just like, train me kind of like that? Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I'm a beginner and I don't even really want to ever fight. I just think that looks like a really fun workout. So I want to do that. Um, I don't know who I need. You don't have to be an expert, just like somebody who could just watch that video. And if you think you could do that for me, then just call me or maybe text me, whatever.

• 4:44Shaan Puri?

  So I posted that and immediately I got a hit from some guy who's like, hey,

• 4:51Shaan Puri?

  I did MMA for 10 years. I could totally trade you. He's like, I trained with the Diaz brothers in Stockton and you know, I'm a Caesar Gracie purple belt. I'm a striker, but I was like, whoa, okay, great. He's like, he's like, uh, so he calls me and I'm like, all right, yeah. Do I need like equipment or like, how do I do this? And he was just like, no, he's like, you don't need anything. I was like, what do you do during the day? He's like, I'm a handyman. And I was like, he's like, oh, this is cool. Cause I'll get back into shape too. And I was like, all right, sounds fun. And he's like,

• 5:24Sam Parr?

  Did he like fix a bunch of stuff afterwards at your house?

• 5:26Shaan Puri?

  No, but in my mind, I was like, dude, I've been looking for a handyman. My wife's always on me about building and assembling things and hanging things. I was like, this is two for one, baby. And so.

• 5:38Sam Parr?

  Which basically means this guy is like a professor, like his, he's, the reason he was on Craigslist, he was probably looking for handyman gigs.

• 5:44Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. And he just happened to see this. It was like, oh, I used to whoop ass. And so he goes, um, and what I, why I knew he would be good. And he goes, what are you doing today? And I was like, uh, uh, uh, I was like mentally not prepared to like immediately get in a fight today. So I was like, no, but how about tomorrow? He's like, all right, I'll be there. What time? I was like, I don't know. Let's do the morning. He goes, great. I'll be there at 8am.

• 6:10Shaan Puri?

  And so he came over, we trained and he came over, by the way, looking like a handyman. He comes over and his like handyman boots, his like, you know, like those jeans that are like covered in paint and he's like, rolls up, he's got like a pair of, he's got a set of keys that has like 1400 keys on it. I was like, bro, do you have the keys to my house? What's going on here? And so he just got all these keys, he brings his boots and he's just like.

• 6:34Sam Parr?

  So he's one of these guys that works out in his jeans or what?

• 6:37Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So he basically did the whole workout in his jeans, which was crazy to me. He's like throwing kicks in his combat boots. And I was like, what the hell is going on? But he knew what he was talking about. And so he trained me and I'm still super sore. It was incredible. My, I had to ice my knuckles. My hand was in so much pain last night. It was great.

• 6:53Sam Parr?

  I don't know if this is legit.

• 6:54Shaan Puri?

  I felt like a real man.

• 6:56Sam Parr?

  Did he did some, did he do a little reference checking? Like, I don't know if that's how it works.

• 7:00Shaan Puri?

  No, I don't do reference checks.

• 7:02Sam Parr?

  That's all right.

• 7:02Shaan Puri?

  Maximum risk at all times.

• 7:04Sam Parr?

  Did you like wrestle or do jujitsu? Like, did you roll? What did you do?

• 7:08Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Well, he's like, all right, we're gonna start with the basics. He's like, here's how you move your feet. He's like, here's how you throw a jab. He says, there you go across. And I was like, and you know, you know, these things, but he's like, you know, clean it up, right? Like, let's do these right. And then, but I told him, I was like, dude, I don't want to just learn tactics. Like, I'm not here to learn technique. I'll learn just enough technique to make the session worth it. But I was like, I was like, you know, that video, I was like, the, I want the sweat that they were breaking. I want the way that they were breaking that sweat. A competitive sweat is what I'm looking for. And then he, he hits me with this. He goes, yeah, I didn't watch the video, but I got an idea what you want. And I was like, bro, there was only one thing in the ad. It was one, two minute video. You didn't even watch the video? He's like, no. And, but at the end, we basically like sparred. And so for 10 minutes,

• 7:53Shaan Puri?

  we just like fought. And it was amazing. My brother in law came. So, long time listeners of the pod, no, brother Aaron, he, he was there.

• 8:00Sam Parr?

  Aaron, he kind of like vouched, or not vouched, but he kind of checked the guy out?

• 8:04Shaan Puri?

  Uh, no, nothing to check the guy out. He was just like my sparring partner to do the thing.

• 8:08Sam Parr?

  Dude, I'm reading, this is so funny. You're bringing this up this morning. You know, I listen to like three audio books a week. This, cause I go, I like walking. Well, I, you know, I like walking. And the book that I'm listening to now is called, When Violence Is The Answer. And.

• 8:25Shaan Puri?

  By Sam Far. A memoir.

• 8:29Sam Parr?

  And the premise is that basically like violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, it's the only answer. And when it is the only answer, you want to act fast and as violently as possible. And it just tells like stories that like, he's like, I'm not teaching you tactics. We're going to talk principles. And the whole book is basically like, when you have to be violent, you want to annihilate them as fast as possible and take their mind completely out of the equation. Because like, it's like, if you ever get in like punched in the balls, you're like, oh, I can't fight. Like, there's nothing I can think about right now. Or imagine like being in a fight and like just having your elbow broken. You know what I mean? You're like, I can't do anything right now. Like, I don't even want to think about this. Versus like punched in the face. Sometimes you could still like, anyway,

• 9:14Sam Parr?

  it's so funny you're doing this now because I'll have to give you the Cliff Notes of when violence is the answer as soon as I dig deeper into it.

• 9:24Shaan Puri?

  So anyways, it was an amazing workout. And I think my takeaway is, Zuck and his, so Zuck went on Joe Rogan, he was talking about it. And Joe's like, you're doing MMA now? And he's like, yeah, you know, but I just, whatever, he gives some reason for starting. He goes, he goes, it's not like, why are you doing MMA? It's more, he's like, now that I'm doing it, I'm like, why have I not been doing this my whole life? Because this is, it's clearly the best. And he says it like, it's such a, you know, computer nerd sort of way where it's like, I have found the best workout, right? It's like, in the office, what is the best bear? There is a best bear. So that's how he was saying it.

• 10:04Shaan Puri?

  And I was like, yeah, exactly. False. MMA is the best bear. And so that's how, that's how, when he said that, I was like, that's probably right. And I like the idea of getting competitive sweat in the morning. And I told the guy, I go, look, I'm gonna sit at my keyboard all day after this. But like, if I could start the day with kind of like a, this like, very intense, can't think about anything else type of workout, right? Like extreme focus is required. My mind is not going to be drifting around thinking about the to do list and about this, about that, my email. No, I'm going to be locked into this. It's a very primal thing. I'm going to break a huge sweat. And then I can go on with my day. And everything else in my day, I will have, it'll be much easier. I'm, I know I'm preaching to the choir with you, but I feel like that's been my, my realization with it.

• 10:50Sam Parr?

  And I actually, I wanted to spend 10 minutes and bring this topic up because you sent me this gym picture and your gym looked sick. And I, and like two years ago or a year and a half ago, you saw mine and you're like, I'm going to get one and you got one and it looks awesome. And then like four years ago, maybe you weren't in the best of shape and you've made a big difference and so have I in terms of fitness. And I was thinking, I saw this guy, he's a picture of a 71 year old, his name's Mark. He started Primal Kitchen, I think it's called, and it's like a sauce business that I love. But he's 71 years old and he shared this picture of him and he just looks great. He's not like huge muscle guy, but he's like really fit, abs, looks awesome.

• 11:30Sam Parr?

  And I realized this is the point of business, like the point of business and money is like, A, there's like some practical reasons. So providing for your, your family. Two, it's fun and fulfilling. But three, like the point is like to live a really long and good life. And the really, the best way to do that, money is maybe number two. Number one is just like being fit. And I wanted to spend 10 minutes talking about my personal, I was like, what do engineers say? They say like tech stack, marketing stack, let's talk about our body stack.

• 12:01Shaan Puri?

  Our tech stack, not our tech stack.

• 12:04Sam Parr?

  And I wanted to run, run through all the things that I'm currently doing. And I would put myself in the category of a weekend warrior, meaning I don't have like formal education on this, but I do listen to podcasts and I read books and I'm like self-educated. Which means, you know, like I'm a B maybe, or not, not an expert, but I, I try to read and learn and teach myself.

• 12:26Shaan Puri?

  Okay, great, go for it.

• 12:27Sam Parr?

  All right, so let me walk through it. So what I do, and then I, and I'll go first and then you can go, because I know you didn't prepare. So you can kind of like think about it as I do it. So what I do, I do four, four days a week of strength training and then the other three days cardio. Those are usually lifting weights or body weight stuff.

• 12:42Shaan Puri?

  So that means you're working out every day, you're doing seven days or you take a rest day, some days you do two?

• 12:46Sam Parr?

  I do, I do every single day. The day that I want to rest is, I'll just go for like a 15,000 step walk, which is like a two hour walk. That's usually rest and then I sleep from 11 to seven and right now I'm around 11 or 12% body fat with and I have a background in athletics. So I'm not like a complete new, but I basically just learned all about this in the last like six, seven years. I used to just do what I was told. Now I kind of know why I'm doing what I'm told and my goals with, with healthy eating and working out is basically three things. One, live a long and healthy life. Two, look good naked and three, like achieve certain like fun goals, like running a certain race, hitting a certain body fat percentage, lifting a certain amount of weight, just fun

• 13:31Sam Parr?

  stuff. But that's really the simple stuff. Two, people don't admit that it's, I just want to look good naked. You know what I mean? That's not weird.

• 13:38Shaan Puri?

  That's not weird. That's not weird. You have to say that's not weird. Might be a little weird.

• 13:44Sam Parr?

  Look, I'm just saying what people think.

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• 14:02Sam Parr?

  So all right, here's the products that I use. For I spent $299 a month, $300 a month, and I have a trainer at Central Athlete. It's a place in Austin. They, I have an app. They just tell me exactly what to do. And if I have questions or an injury or I'm traveling, I text my trainer Jesse and I say, traveling, let's adapt this workout. And then we meet once a month to say, all right, here's the goals for the next month. Let's try and do this. Here's my goals for next year. Let's work backwards. The second thing I do is I pay $600 a month for a daily call from a nutritionist with my body tutor. Soon I'm going to switch to the $200 a month plan and that's going to be a once a week call, I think. But I spend $600 a month and basically I have someone calling me every day saying, what's the plan today for your diet? Let's work backwards from where you want to go,

• 14:44Sam Parr?

  whatever. It's a 15 minute call. The third thing is I spent around $3,000 or $5,000 upfront cost and I built a home gym. Maybe it could have been 2,500, but I think it was probably 3,500. The second thing or the, another thing is I do blood work. So two to three times a year, I spend on average 200 to $300 and I give. I do InsideTracker. It's just a fun way to track your blood and see like where you are and see if you can improve things that were not so great the time before. The next thing is I get massages, massages one to two days a week at this place called Run Lab in Austin, which basically just I have a history of calf injuries and so they massage my calf and it's covered by insurance. So I only pay about 20 bucks each time I go.

• 15:27Sam Parr?

  And then I do a subscription to Aptiv. Have you heard of Aptiv?

• 15:32Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it's like an audio workout thing?

• 15:33Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I pay a hundred dollars a year for that. And so whenever I'm traveling and I need to do a body, body weight workout like I did this weekend, I say I want to do a 60 minute body weight workout and it's like a trainer in your ears and I find that to be fun. The next thing is I do MyFitnessPal. I track everything I eat and I spend 60 bucks a year on that. And then I spend a hundred dollars a year for Fit, Fittive it's called. It's an, whenever I do cardio, I always try to keep my heart rate right at like 145 beats per minute. If I'm doing like a long cardio workout, because that's like perfect, like I think it's zone three, zone two. It's one of the zones that I want to like stay in. And then I basically subscribe to Pandora. I'm like the only guy ever who pays money for Pandora. So I, I pay money for Pandora, Spotify, YouTube and Audible.

• 16:14Sam Parr?

  And I listen to all those when I work out because I love doing that. Next, I have zero budget for Whole Foods and healthy foods. Whatever I see and I want, I get. I don't question the price. I just think I'm doing it no matter what. And then finally, I probably spend around a thousand dollars a year on equipment. So I have lifting shoes. I have like a lifting belt. I replace my running shoes consistently and I buy any type of equipment that I need. I always, I buy it. And then finally, I listen to Nick Baer. You know who that is? Remember that ripped dude?

• 16:49Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, he came on the pod.

• 16:50Sam Parr?

  Yeah, he's amazing. So I listen to his podcast and I listen to Mind Body Pump. That's another one of my favorite fitness podcasts. And then I just follow tons of ripped dudes on Instagram. And you know, they say you're the average of the five people you hang out with most. I feel like I'm the average of like the 50 followers that I follow on Instagram. So I'm just constantly like seeing like ripped dudes and like people running far and running fast. I get that on Instagram. So that's all my equipment. I'm going to wrap. Wrap it up with, here's the rules that I basically have for my fitness and my health. So I always have a goal with a deadline, meaning like next year, my goal is going to be to run a hundred mile race. This year was to hit body fat percentage. So I always have a goal. Number two, I always hire coaches. If there's anything I want to learn, last year I learned boxing, I had a boxing coach.

• 17:35Sam Parr?

  This year I wanted to get my nutrition right. I had a nutritionist. I always hire a coach, no matter what. Finally, or the third one, no processed foods and no sugar unless it's planned and in it's intentional. So like I know like two weeks, three weeks in advance, this is a special occasion, I want to splurge there. I don't fret over money if it makes me healthier. And finally, I'm not trying to be perfect. I'm just trying to be the least bad most of the time and intentional about when I am gonna like splurge. So those, that's basically my whole thing. A few things in the future that I want.

• 18:10Shaan Puri?

  So what does that add up to the dollar amounts that you just mentioned? Did you sum it up by any chance?

• 18:17Sam Parr?

  Well, so the, I didn't have the exact cost of my home gym because I spent about three grand upfront. And then I've been like buying stuff as I've gone.

• 18:24Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, let's call it five. Let's call it five grand.

• 18:26Sam Parr?

  We'll call it five. Then I would say I spend around $15,000 a year.

• 18:31Shaan Puri?

  And you know, like LeBron James has this, like this famous stat where it's like.

• 18:35Sam Parr?

  A million dollars a year.

• 18:36Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. He's like, I spend a million dollars a year on my body. And when that first came out, other athletes were like, whoa. Uh, you know, like other NBA guys were like, I don't spend anywhere near that. But you know, you look at LeBron, he's sort of like the pinnacle athlete in terms of physical fitness. Even athletes in other sports, I've heard NFL's guys reference that. I've met NFL guys and they talk about, yeah, LeBron said he spent this, that, that got me thinking, what am I spending on? Why am I not investing in my body? Conor McGregor has said that. He goes, I heard LeBron James says he spends a million dollars a year. I'm thinking, I didn't spend anything. He's like, and so then he started like, he hired, he hired like full-time staff and people and started doing the whole thing. And so I think that it's funny how that one person saying that.

• 19:21Shaan Puri?

  You know, like triggered a kind of a chain reaction. And I actually think it's smart that you're sharing this because it's not our typical thing we talk about on the pod. We'll joke around about it, but it's not like a usual segment on the pod. But I think is a big part of being an entrepreneur and a founder is like, dude, that founder 15 is real. That founder for me was the founder 45 that was real, dude. I gained so much weight stressing out, eating wrong, sleeping shitty, you know, not work, not working out because I didn't have time. And that really costs you. And so I think it's great that you that you decided to do the second.

• 19:53Sam Parr?

  And we didn't even talk about. Say at the end. Well, oh, yeah, yeah. The other thing. So we didn't even talk about mental health stuff. So the mental health stuff, like, I try to like, I just like, I write every morning. And it's not like, dear journal, typically, it's like, here's what I want to get done today. Like, I'm pretty bummed about this, this and this, but I'm very thankful for this. So like, that's my version of writing. And then, like, obviously, like, lots of therapy. So those are like my mental health things. But all right, last thing, the things I want to try. So one, an executive health checkup. So basically, you spend some number between five and 20 grand a year, or 20 grand in one turn, and you go for three days to a Mayo Clinic, and they just do all types of stuff to you. I'm not convinced that it's entirely needed, but I test everything just

• 20:35Sam Parr?

  mostly for fun. Number two, a concierge doctor. Have you ever had one of those?

• 20:39Shaan Puri?

  Briefly, I had a, yeah, I had a concierge doctor.

• 20:41Sam Parr?

  I had a concierge. Yes, I had one when I was, one time I got really sick with Lyme and my face like broke. I had like Bell's palsy. It was, it was horrible. So I spent 25 grand. I had a concierge doctor, a doctor on call, and that was awesome. I want to get one of those. The third thing, skin stuff. Do you do anything for your skin? Like, wear sunscreen?

• 20:59Shaan Puri?

  No, I don't do. Dude, I haven't, honestly, I haven't washed my face in like, six years. I might be, I might be a white guy, you know, underneath all this. This might just be sitting down here. Like, people are like, oh, what face wash do you use? I was like, my face gets wet during the shower, gets wet. That's, that's the wash, bro. Like, there's not, there's not a routine.

• 21:19Sam Parr?

  Leftover on the towel when I wipe my face off and dry it off is the soap that I'm using. Dude, I don't know if it's a woman thing, or if it's a black woman thing, because my wife is like, knows everything about like, skincare. She's like, you gotta use. This, then you gotta do this, you gotta do this. And I'm like, dude, that's just way too complicated. And I'm doing any of that. I'm just gonna use the hand soap. But basically, uh, I have to use sunscreen. She's telling me. So I want to start doing some, some skin stuff. And then the last thing, dude, I want to do a five day fast. I was pretty inspired by John Lee Dumas. That's like on my bucket list is a five day fast. And those are some of the things I want to try. But that's my, that's my body stack.

• 21:56Shaan Puri?

  That's great.

• 21:57Sam Parr?

  Have you heard, by the way, have you heard how, have you heard how young people, instead of saying, um, how many people have you slept with? They say, what's your body count?

• 22:04Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I have heard that.

• 22:05Sam Parr?

  So funny. It's so funny.

• 22:09Shaan Puri?

  Just catching bodies.

• 22:13Sam Parr?

  That's why I came up with this name. It's like, here's my body stack. And in a TikTok, some young woman raised her hand and she goes, hey, teacher, what's your body count? And I, it's the funniest thing I've seen in months. Sorry, go ahead.

• 22:29Shaan Puri?

  All right. So my buddy is, uh, going through a company acquisition. And he's like, oh yeah, you know, I'm gonna have to earn it out there, blah, blah, blah. And I told him, I said, you know, when we got acquired, I did one thing really well. I go, I wrote down, uh, I was like, all right, I know what this year is all about. It's this acquisition and I know this could go many ways. I talked to a bunch of people who got acquired. And for some of them, they just got really depressed. They were bored at the acquiring company. For some people, they had a great time. Some people, it was just sort of like, ah, dude, I don't even remember. It just sort of like, yeah, you know, whatever. I don't know. That was years ago. And I honestly, I was just kind of a zombie. I was on autopilot. I don't really, I didn't really have much intention behind how I spent that year. So I said, all right, I'm gonna have some intent. So I wrote this document and I'm gonna read part of it to you.

• 23:14Shaan Puri?

  You tell me when this gets boring, we'll switch it. But I go, my 2019 mindset, so this is 2019, we got acquired by Twitch.

• 23:20Sam Parr?

  Where'd you write this?

• 23:22Shaan Puri?

  Just in Google Docs and at the top I wrote, I wrote a quote, "Time is what we want the most, but we use the worst." I said, "This document is a chance to think about how I want to spend the next year of my life. Time is the most precious resource. Here's how I'm going to invest it." I go, "Number one, get fit enjoyably. Number two, earn and learn. And number three, become a great person like Ramon." Those are my three sections. Our buddy Ramon is the honoree. So I'm like, "Get fit enjoyably." I go, "Every year I'm getting fatter, less mobile, and I shorten my lifespan. This is a bad trajectory. I need to invest now or I'm going to pay like, I'm going to pay later. Hell, I'm paying right now." And I go, "I think getting

• 24:03Shaan Puri?

  fit means dropping to 185 pounds, feeling athletic, and the word enjoyably is really important. Every time I've tried this in the past, I start, I get motivated, I take some action, get some results, but it's hard. I don't really like it. So I slip up and eventually give up altogether." Three weeks later-

• 24:17Sam Parr?

  What did you weigh then? Like 230?

• 24:19Shaan Puri?

  220, 225, something like that. I said, "Three weeks later, I'm back on my couch and my boxer is eating chips and queso again. This cycle is bad. Long story short, willpower is not the, not the fuel to use. If I use a willpower, I fail. Instead, I'm going to find a way to do this in a way that's enjoyable because when I like it, I'll do it. So that means I got to figure out foods that are clean that I actually like. I got to figure out exercise that's good, that I actually look forward to doing. Here's what winning looks like. I'm 185 pounds. This is what I wrote at the time. I got nowhere close to this. 185 pounds by the end of 2020, and with a new set of exercise and eating habits that I enjoy and I'm not forcing myself to maintain." All right. So that was the, the first part. A little, a little letter to myself. I, I'm proud of reading this. I was like, you know, I did not hit that goal. I'm not 185,

• 25:03Shaan Puri?

  even now, I'm probably 212, 213. So it doesn't even sound like much 10 pounds, but it was, but I probably-

• 25:11Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it's a way different composition.

• 25:12Shaan Puri?

  Double that in terms of, yeah, muscle mass composition versus body fat.

• 25:15Sam Parr?

  Dude, in 185 for you, a lot of people don't realize this, but you're 6'1". You think you're, are you above 6'1"? You think? Yeah, like you're, that 185 would be pretty small.

• 25:25Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So I don't know. I picked a number, but like specifics aside, I think I got the idea right. And I don't want to look back. So at that time I was working out zero times a week. I was eating like dog shit and I was, I really didn't have even a game plan. And in fact, I actually had very little evidence that like this was doable. For some people, if you've been in great shape before, you always have that. You've got that in your back pocket. I have done this before. Imagine never having done it, right? Like never, I never saw an ab. It was the Loch Ness monster of my body. It was like, where, where is this thing? And so that was where I was at. Now, the two things that worked for me. So in terms of your text, in terms of your body stack,

• 26:09Shaan Puri?

  I share two things, but I do everything else differently. So I also get a coach for everything that I'm doing. So I have a personal trainer who I talk about a bunch. I have a nutrition. I use the same, once you told me about my body tutor, I do the $200 a month plan where I text her every day. You dig it? What I'm eating. I dig it. Yeah. I, I'm not the most consistent with it. Like I will forget to update it at night. I'll update it later, but like, whatever, just a little late.

• 26:35Shaan Puri?

  And yeah, so I do the coach thing. That was really, really important. And I, like I was saying with the MMA thing, same thing. Oh, I want to do this. Let me get a coach. And a coach is not because you don't know how to do it. It's because it's like the real way to commit to doing it. And for me, I was like, even better. I need somebody to show up at my house. So I looked at what are the things that trip me up? I was like, it's not like I'm going to the gym and doing a crappy workout. I'm just not going to the gym. And so I was like, I need to find a way to go to the gym. I was like, all right, well, what if the gym came to me? So I saw your home gym. I got inspired. I was like, dude, what's the flooring you used? What's this that you bought? What's this? I asked you for every little piece. And it was way easier than you thought, wasn't it? Oh dude, I copied the exact same thing. I bought the same rubber mats for my floor. It wasn't a lot of stuff.

• 27:20Shaan Puri?

  Wasn't a lot of stuff. And you know, a few kettlebells, this, that, great, got it. So got a home gym and then I got a trainer to come to my house. Now, obviously, this is a luxury. Not everybody could afford to do this. But hey, that's the point of the show. It's about like, you know, building wealth and then figuring out how to use it. And so this is this is how to use it. Second thing was nutrition. So, okay, the coaching thing, I'm right on board with you. Mine was remove friction. Find the places that like the habit slips up and just literally try to get rid of that step. So that was bringing the gym to me. The last piece was basically like, what is the, what is the version of this I'm going to enjoy? So I had to find a trainer who I vibe with, who I actually like hanging out with them. Like, the conversation is fun. It's not just

• 28:04Shaan Puri?

  that they're good at their job. And secondly, like, we do workouts that are fun for me. Sometimes we'll just, he'll come over and it'll be like, let's go play basketball. We'll just go to 24 hour fitness, we'll play pickup basketball. It's kind of weird. It's like, dude, you're paying this trainer a hundred dollars to go play pickup basketball with you? It's like, yeah, I'm actually paying for me to exercise regularly and get in great shape. I'm not paying for a specific hour block of time, or a specific like, skill set and know how. And so same thing, MMA looks fun. All right, I'm gonna do MMA. We do training that's like about mobility sometimes, or very simple things. Like, I'll tell him, like, look, I told him very simply, he's like, what are your goals? And I think for every other client of his is their goals are like, I want to lose weight, I got a wedding coming up, I gotta, you know, I want to look good with my shirt off, blah, blah,

• 28:47Shaan Puri?

  blah, I want to, you know, some shit like that. I was like, when I stand up from sitting, I feel like an old man. I was like, I don't get up like an athletic person. So that's my first goal. I want to be able to, like, we do this exercise on the ground and you say, all right, let's get up, let's go over here. I don't want to, I don't want that to be like an 18-point turn. Like, I need to just like, get up, not like, oh, yep, coming, hold on. This like, this like, straight, gotta get on my elbow, then my knee, then I might put both hands on the ground, do like, you know, tripod, then I'm up. Like, that's, that's how I was moving, honestly. And I was like, same thing when I run, I was like, I don't know if I run right. I think my gait is all messed up. And so we spent a lot of time literally fixing my walking gait, or my sitting posture, or, you know, like, my habits for the morning of how to get loose. And those things mattered to me. So I

• 29:31Shaan Puri?

  would suggest also, like, don't make your goals the cliche. Think about what actually would feel good as maybe like a middle step in between you and being just like absolutely ripped because that became very motivating to me and I started to see results and all those little things first. Oh, I'm smoother when I run. I'm smoother when I walk. I get up more smoothly. I can crouch down in a easier way and play with my kids. That was like, you know, I could just sit in a squat. Like those things were really important. And I had to find somebody who knew how to, who knew how to train in a functional way like that, not just, all right, let's do, you know, three sets of 12 with, you know, this heavy weight. That's it.

• 30:07Sam Parr?

  And you set time aside for like working out? Is it like every day at this time?

• 30:12Shaan Puri?

  Every day at the same time. He shows up at my house. I'm not gonna be rude and leave him waiting. I have to drop what I'm doing and I go do it. And that's it. And that's the whole thing. So we do it at three, 3pm. But it doesn't, it could be anytime. I actually prefer to move it to the morning now, but like, whatever, we do three at the moment.

• 30:29Sam Parr?

  Dude, I don't like Andrew Tate that much because I think he says some silly stuff, but he says a lot of interesting stuff that I agree with. And one of the things that he said that I've been obsessing over, he goes, I'm not motivated. I'm disciplined. And I thought, that's beautiful. That's a, that's a really, that's a beautiful idea. And that has definitely, that is definitely key to achieving a lot of goals, whether it's work or fitness. It's just like, no, I just like, I don't, I, I remember when I was starting my business at like 2 o'clock, people would call. I'm like, hey, let's go hang out. I'm like, dude, I gotta work. And they're like, what are you talking about? You're the boss. You can do anything you want. I'm like, it's, and I remember I was like 23 and I would say, it's a school night. You know, I can't go out on a school night. You know, like we had these rules. I was like, bro, I work. I get there at

• 31:14Sam Parr?

  eight and I work until six usually. Like I, and then I go to dinner. Like I can't do these things. And I remember thinking, I'm not motivated to do this, but I'm happy that I have this routine because this is discipline, whether I kind of like forced myself to do it. Same with fitness, same with anything. It's like motivation is a really good way to get started, but it's not a, not the best way to maintain discipline. And you can, the cool thing about discipline is you can kind of force yourself into it. Like you're like, you set these things up, like this guy, all you did was told this dude to show up. And now you're like, fuck, I gotta do it.

• 31:42Shaan Puri?

  I heard this great quote on discipline. Cause I always thought about discipline, like force, being able to force yourself to do something, even if you don't want to do it. And that's true, that does happen, but that's not the definition. And somebody said this beautifully. Go, discipline is just remembering what you really want. Because like in the moment, you want to just sit down and rest, or you just want to chill. You just want to eat that bag of chips, whatever. But it's like, okay, that is something I want. What do I really want? And if you remember what you really want, then you'll go do that thing. You'll go do the things that vote towards that outcome versus this outcome. And so discipline is just remembering what you really want. It felt a lot better than like, that's something I wanted to do versus discipline being I forced myself to do it, even when I don't want to do it.

• 32:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it doesn't last that long. Yeah, it goes away like the, when you wake up in the morning and you're sore.

• 32:33Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. The other things I was gonna say, the things I do differently than you is I don't set the specific timeline deadlines. So, which is crazy to me because like in a business, of course I do that. I will never set a goal without a timeline of like when I'm trying to do it by. And if anyone on my team tries to do that, I don't let them do it. With fitness, I looked at it differently. I go, look, I've tried that before. I've tried to say, I'm gonna lose this by this day. My trainer kind of taught me, he was just like, look, all right, how old are you? And I was like, at the time, I was 32 or something like that. He's like, all right, 32, cool. So you've had 32 years to build up these habits and now you're looking for a six week, you know, a six week revamp, like, oh, you need this goal done in six weeks or six months? Or he's like, the way I look at it, you spent 32 years getting here.

• 33:18Shaan Puri?

  Maybe it's going to take a little while to get there and that's okay, right? Like, hey, what's another year? You know, what's a year or two of working at this when you spent 30 doing it the wrong way? Can we spend a few doing it the right way? And he was sort of like, what I don't want is you work out and blah, blah, blah. Then you, you go and you DoorDash some Taco Bell. Now you're feeling guilty and you're eating the wrong thing. He goes, If you're gonna eat it, eat it and enjoy it. Don't bring the guilt into it.

• 33:45Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Shaan Puri?

  Don't bring the shame into it. Don't, don't feel bad that you're now, it's a setback and has this mental baggage about how bad it's gonna be. He's like, just remember, when you're the dude who you like, who you're becoming, you can eat, talk about, it's not even gonna mess with you. He's like, I can eat, I can eat, talk about every day this week. It won't change a thing. Lift up his shirt, still there, right? And he's like, that's who you're becoming. And so you just need to like, focus on that. It don't, don't like, go through this emotional up and down and up and down. And I'm so proud of myself for doing it good one day. And then, oh, I hate myself for missing it the next day and I feel guilty. Like, uh, just like, that's one way you could do this, but like, how about we just don't do it that way? And so I've gone very much the, the tortoise, not the hare route with this, which is just like, cool, I'm gonna put no, no timelines on this. I'm gonna put no deadline.

• 34:29Shaan Puri?

  I'm gonna make it where it's unfailable. My only goal is to rebuild my habits of eating and exercise to be healthy. And I don't care how long that takes, I'm gonna do it. And, um, and there's no setbacks. Everything is progress compared to how I was before, even how I was a month ago. And so that, that has also helped me and is a very strange thing, cause I've never, ever chased a goal, doing it this way. I've never let myself just do it this like, infinite game style where it's like, yep, there's no clock. You're just trying to be better today than you were yesterday. And like, it's okay, you know, even if you do something that's wrong, you, you learn something in that process too. It's all right. Uh, you know, this pat on the back style, I've never, never tried it, but this is the first time.

• 35:09Sam Parr?

  So in other news, we're gonna be launching Guy Next Door Fitness Plan.

• 35:13Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Dude, we should totally do that.

• 35:15Sam Parr?

  Attainable, attainable fitness. Yeah, that's what it's gonna be called.

• 35:23Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 35:24Sam Parr?

  We're gonna call it a-

• 35:25Shaan Puri?

  Hot Enough.

• 35:26Sam Parr?

  Yeah, we're gonna call it Midwest Seven, a New York Six.

• 35:34Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. That's amazing.