Tristan Wirfs NFL All Pro and Super Bowl Champion talks protecting Tom Brady vs Baker Mayfield, dealing with mental struggles of the pressures of position, Tampa Bay Bucs future, Iowa greats and becoming a father

“You might not have everything you want, but you're gonna have everything you need.” Tristan Wirfs on powerful words from his mother In this episode of The Pivot, Ryan, Channing and Fred sit with Tampa Bay Buccaneers All-Pro tackle and Super Bowl champion Tristan Wirfs who discusses his journey from Iowa to NFL stardom as he shares what it was like protecting Tom Brady year one vs Baker Mayfield now, talks the personal struggles he’s overcome and how fast life changes if we don’t adapt. Immediately as the conversation starts, the energy is high, and the guys realize Tristan isn’t the typical offensive lineman personality wise as he jokes with the guys, joins in on the fun and delivers a refreshing perspective to football, family and life. Wirfs reflects on the high expectations placed on him as a rookie tasked with protecting one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. He shares with the guys invaluable advice from his coaches that taught him importance of discipline and consistency as well as the one thing Tom Brady said to not let happen! Opening up about the mental struggles he faced transitioning in the league, revealing that nightmares and anxiety crept in as he doubted himself, especially as he was tasked with switching positions and the pressures he felt being on this level. His bond with Baker Mayfield and his offensive line helped pull him through the dark times and now he’s looking to lead his team back to a championship. Wirfs’ motivation and mindset stems from the strength he received from is his mother, who worked tirelessly to provide for him and his sister as a single mother. He shares an emotional story of calling her to tell her she no longer had to work and how meaningful the sacrifices she made back then are now. This past summer, Wirfs welcomed his first child and it immediately changed his perspective, bringing deeper joy and responsibility into his life. He speaks on the rewarding experience of giving back, whether it’s participating in Iowa’s Hawkeye Wave tradition, and how special it’s been to see so much unexpected talent come from his Alma mater from Caitlin Clark to Cooper DeJean to Riley Moss and more… Wirfs journey is a testament of not just chasing a dream but fulfilling it through hard work, mental resilience and gratitude. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Fred Taylor?

  What's up?

• 1:00Channing Crowder?

  Big Dog.

• 1:00Ryan Clark?

  You didn't see that big Joe walking in here?

• 1:03Channing Crowder?

  Oh, big sexy, there we go.

• 1:05Ryan Clark?

  Hey, what's up, Big Dog? How you doing? Pleasure, man. Hey, dog, that's what happened. These big dudes built, they different than like the big dudes back in our day.

• 1:12Channing Crowder?

  They used to be nasty and stank.

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, big dudes back in our, yeah. They like you, but bigger.

• 1:16Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, they used to stink and all that. Y'all, y'all smooth nowadays.

• 1:20Ryan Clark?

  Try, try my best. I try my best.

• 1:44Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the show, Tristan Wirfs, first round draft pick, Super Bowl champion, All-Pro, first to do it at left and right tackle. Conversation we'll have later. This is Fred Taylor, this is Channing Crowder. I'm Ryan Clark. Welcome to the Pivot, Pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with us. You know, Tristan, I usually wait till late in the show to do this, where I split the room based on Super Bowl champions and non-Super Bowl champions. Or maybe even people who's had Super Bowl appearances and non-Super Bowl appearances. Because you try to be more inclusive into that. But this is conversations only you and I can have. Sorry, y'all get in the conversation later.

• 2:22Speaker 05

  That's crazy. That's crazy.

• 2:24Ryan Clark?

  See what he want to do to us, brother?

• 2:26Speaker 05

  Nah, man. He starting out hot.

• 2:27Ryan Clark?

  You know, that's a show joke, but really, man, think to come into the NFL, 13th overall draft pick, two things happen right away for you. You're tasked with protecting Tom Brady.

• 2:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:41Ryan Clark?

  And then you go on this Super Bowl run. What was that first year of playing with the greatest quarterback of all time? And actually finishing the deal in the way y'all did?

• 2:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, kind of just starstruck, to be honest. I mean, I remember getting the call from BA like on draft night. Forgot to turn my ringer on, it was vibrating, and my girl was like, hey, phone's ringing. I was like, what are you talking about? Pick it up. And his BA, he's like, hey, baby. He's like, you already tricked Tom Brady? And I was like, not right now, but I'll get, I was like, I'll get ready, you know? And it was just like, I remember like, training camp, like I was at Shaq and JPP. And Shaq Barrett, and just torching me. And I was like, I don't know if I'm cut out for this. I was like, I got Tom Brady back there. I was like, I can't, I was like, I can't be the one. You know, it's not gonna be my ass that gets him hurt or whatever. And I remember he pulled me to the side and he's like, he's like, don't get beat fast and don't get beat inside. We'll be okay. And I was like, sounds good. I was like, I can do that.

• 3:34Speaker 05

  In my head, it was just like fighting your balls off, like, you're gonna get beat, like shit happens, you're gonna get beat, but just strain, just like, do whatever it takes, you know, to not let him touch him. He's not moving, he's not going anywhere. He's, he's sitting right there and slinging it. Then I remember going on, like, we went on this little run, like, we had, we lost a couple in a row my rookie year, and every week it was like, BA would come in, team meeting, and he's like, we can still do what we want to do, we can still do what we want to do. And I'm like, you know, coming from college, you're like, you lose two, like, I was in the Big Ten, it's like, you know, Big Ten, Big Ten championship was our, was our goal. And it's like, we lose two and everybody, yeah, it's done. You know, you guys stink, stuff like that. And we lost like two or three, and I'm like, what are they talking about? I was like, season's over. And that's just in my head, saying that. And then we went on.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  I think including the Super Bowl, there was like 11 wins in a row, something like that. And I was like, I guess he was right. I guess we can still do it. It was honestly insane. You know, being a rookie, I didn't really understand like the magnitude of it, like how big that was and how big of a job it was to protect Tom too. Yeah, no, it was like three, three road playoff games. Like, it was crazy, you know, Tom played against three former MVPs, I think. It was insane. Like, looking back on it now, it's like, it's like, holy shit. Like, that was crazy. I love it, yeah.

• 4:48Fred Taylor?

  I think what's even crazier, five years in, 79 games, four Pro Bowls, zero sacks, according to Stat Muse.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  Total over, or this year?

• 5:02Fred Taylor?

  Over your career.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  No, that's not right. That's absolutely wrong. Yeah, that's way. He's cold though.

• 5:10Channing Crowder?

  But I'm a Bucks fan, yeah, he just gave up. I was watching.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've got, I've got a couple.

• 5:18Fred Taylor?

  I know you're a bad man. You know, I know you're a bad man. I follow that 2020 draft class, man. Such a lot of great, amazing players to come out. And you certainly stand out, you know, amongst all of the great ones, off to a great, I think, Hall of Fame career.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 5:36Fred Taylor?

  Your early career, but what was it like for you to, you know, aside from having the duties to protect Tom with the greatest quarterback, in our opinion, to ever play the game, just as a person? And as a teammate, because a lot of people don't get an opportunity to see that side of Tom. But how was that for you coming in?

• 5:55Speaker 05

  I mean, I thought it was great. Like, my one goal coming in was like, don't let him yell at you. Like, don't make him mad, don't do anything that's like, you know, and he never did. I'll say this, he never yelled, he never yelled at me directly. He yelled at us in the O-line. And I was like, that doesn't count.

• 6:10Speaker 05

  But no, like Tom, Tom was awesome. I love him to death. And I remember the first time I met him. I was just in the hallway and like I remember when you meet somebody like that, I remember I thought he was like seven feet tall like. I'm you know, I'm a 21 year old kid. I'm like, this is fucking Tom Brady, you know. Called my mom right after I was in the locker room. I said, Mom, I just met Tom Brady. But he's an amazing dude, you know, and I learned a lot from him, I think, how to be a pro, you know, how to come to work. And I think the biggest thing for me was at the time, like, I was so used to college, like, stay out of the training room, like, don't tell them anything. In my mind, I was like, you get hurt, like, it'll go away, you know, just give it time. And Tom was like, no, like, you gotta, these are long seasons, you gotta stay on top of your body, like, getting body work done. And I'm still learning that. I'm still learning how to be better at that, because that was my mindset for so long, was like, it'll go away.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  There was a time where our huddle was, we had Tom, Gronk, AB, Leonard Fournette, like, I was like, this is a Matt Julio Jones. I was like, this is a Madden team. I was like, this is crazy. And like, I'm playing with these guys. Like, I played with these guys on Madden. It's like now I'm in the huddle with them. I remember sometimes I'd be just like looking around, I'm like, this is crazy.

• 7:13Channing Crowder?

  I love that.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  But no, there's a side of Tom that nobody gets, like, everyone sees the competitor he is, the player on Sundays. But I mean, nobody sees that. He's like, he tells like dad jokes, like, like a mother. And I was like, dude, I was like, that's not funny. I was like, and he'd laugh at, he'd laugh at it. But he always got a kick out of it, like. I'd be like, Tom, I was like, he asked me, like, how old are you, Trish? I'd be like, 21. He's like, Jesus. Because he was 22 years older than me. I was like, I was like, you were born like a year or two after my mom, Tom? He's like, shut up, dude. I was like, don't tell me that. But no, Tom's a, Tom's an all time guy. Like, I love him to death.

• 7:47Channing Crowder?

  How was that like? Because like, the, the first round picks, like, you went 13.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:53Channing Crowder?

  You're supposed to be like a franchise changer.

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:55Channing Crowder?

  So being the big dude, I ain't gonna lie, when I talk about lying, when I say the fat guy.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  That's fine.

• 8:00Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, okay. So being a fat guy, but like Freddie said, four Pro Bowls in five years, like, you can play ball.

• 8:06Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 8:07Channing Crowder?

  But not having the impact with touchdowns, interceptions and all that stuff. But people are seeing your name pop up in the first round, like, the pressure of having that on you. But also knowing like, I can't really move the needle with excitement.

• 8:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:22Channing Crowder?

  But I gotta do my, I gotta do my shit.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think the biggest thing is just doing your job. You know, I had a coach for my rookie year, Joe Gilbert, love him to death. He told me, he's like, you gotta be consistent. I remember there was one day in training camp, I came out and, you know, your rookie training camp, kind of like midway through, I was getting kind of beat. That mental side kind of wearing you and I went out, had a bad night on seven and I was like, and he's like, pulled me aside, he's like, "It's all good." He's like, "We just gotta be consistent." He said, "You can't come out here and shit the bed one day and be good the next." He said, "You gotta be consistent." So I kind of took that and ran with it as much as I could, you know, I was like, "If they don't gotta worry about me, then I'm doing my job." Like, I can't control all their stuff, but I can control my job, you know, with good, bad, indifferent, however the play goes, you gotta move on, be consistent, just keep, keep working, keep going to work. So that was the biggest thing, like, yeah, I'm not, it's hard to be flashy as an O lineman, it's hard to be flashy, you know,

• 9:07Speaker 05

  any position, you're not getting the ball, so it's like, what can I do to, to lock this spot down, to not let anyone have to worry about me, you know, just do my job to the best of my ability and, and keep moving forward. So that's what, that's what I tried to do.

• 9:17Ryan Clark?

  Then they switched you to the other side.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, then I had a little panic attack. Then I was like, "Son of a gun."

• 9:24Ryan Clark?

  You talked about that, though, I wanted to get to that, you know, you did switch to the other side and talented offensive linemen that started the right sometimes do move, but you meant, so you mentioned the mental health part of that, right? The, the toll it sort of took on you with the worry. Can you kind of dive a little deeper into the difficulty of making the move and how that played with your mind?

• 9:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I think, like, you're your biggest critic, like, I'm, I'm I'm harder on myself than, than anybody, so it's like, I was having these like nightmares, I was like, "I'm not, I'm not gonna be good enough." Like, I remember having nightmares, like, giving up sacks, like, clean, like, strip sacks, end the game. There's nightmares where I couldn't take a pass set, and it's like, just stupid stuff. And I'm like, "What am I doing?" Like, it was like, it was like March at the time of March, of the off, you know, going into the, where they asked me right of the season, like, "Hey, we're gonna like, we're gonna move you." And it had been a couple of weeks, and I'm like freaking out, I'm like, "No way." I'm like, "Just calm, you know, just calm down." And I spent that whole offseason, you know, working with my teammate Luke, you know, just... Sets and sets and sets. I was like, the more reps I get, the better I'm gonna feel.

• 10:33Speaker 05

  But it, yeah, it was weighing on me for a while, just that, just that kind of anxiety of not being good enough or not, you know, living up to my own expectations and then, you know, the expectations that were, you know, put upon me to go play, go play left tackle. And I knew I was gonna take my, take my, take my lumps that year. I was like, you know, it's a new, new thing. I was like, I just gotta go out there and, and keep being consistent, like, doing my best to do my job. And it was tough. We had a, we had a, our swing tackle, Justin School. It was like the first, the first day of camp that year. It was like our, our third down period, first third down period of the, of the day. And my first set was just ugly as all get out. I crossed over, I punched with my inside hand, and I remember him in the, in the back, he's just like, calm down. He's like, you're, he's like, you're okay.

• 11:16Speaker 05

  And I'm like, I was like, all right, I got that one out of the way. We'll, we'll, we'll be all right. But I remember that was kind of like a, a big moment for me, was just him telling me like, everything's gonna be all right, you know, you're gonna be fine. And then I was like, you know, with Baker, I was like, same with Thomas, don't let anybody touch him, just strain. I said, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll deal with-

• 11:30Ryan Clark?

  You were back, you were back to square one, just strain?

• 11:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was like, we'll deal with the other shit later. Doesn't have to look pretty, just don't let anybody touch him. It was like, just, just be an athlete. I met with our, our sports psychologist, Joe Corella, he helped me a lot. Just kind of get the, just replace the negative thoughts with positive thoughts. Like, this is how, instead of like, oh, I'm gonna suck, like, this is what I'm gonna do to be better. This is what I'm gonna do to fix this. This is what I'm gonna do on this rep. Just, just, just little stuff.

• 11:50Ryan Clark?

  I think it is telling, one, how important it is for you to do well at your job, but someone who has been highly successful at a position where it seems like you're playing tackle, and you're playing tackle, not necessarily moving to guard or center, or hell, go and play wide receiver, but just that small change for someone who has always seen this certain level of excellence and holding themselves to that expectation, like, there is a fear there. And I think it's awesome that you came out and said that. Like, would it be players like Lane Johnson and other people who made you comfortable with sharing that sort of story, or at least even exploring a way to fix it?

• 12:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I've watched, oh my God, Lane, Trent, Laramie Tunsil.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Guy that I watch a lot was Brian O'Neal for the Vikings, Jake Mathis. Like, there's all these tackles I've seen. And then, you know, Lane was big on mental health as well. So, like, seeing him, as a young player, seeing him advocate for that was really nice. And being able to feel comfortable to be like, "Yeah, I was struggling. I was going through some shit." And it's like, people say it's like, "Oh, just moving from tackle to tackle." It's like, I've got thousands and thousands of reps on the right side doing one thing, you know, over and over again. So, it's like, I don't have to think about it. Like, I could go back to the right side and, like, I'd probably get worked. You know, I haven't done it in a while, but I was like, I would feel fine. It would feel natural, because that's my, that's just how, my natural side. So, being able to come out and be like, "Yeah, I was struggling." I think Lane kind of paved the way for that, I think, mental health. Because I tell people all the time, it's like wiping your ass with your other hand.

• 13:22Speaker 05

  Or, another one people can relate to is using a mouse with your left hand. Like, if you're sitting at a desk all day, use your mouse and your left hand. Like, it's just, it's crazy.

• 13:30Ryan Clark?

  Nah, the first one, the first one, it make a lot of sense, dawg. Because I'm just gonna shower if I gotta try to use the left.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, you hop in the shower.

• 13:38Fred Taylor?

  You mentioned a lot of great, amazing players to play that position. But, like, we're skilled position guys, right? We study film a certain type of way. Like, we can look at guys at our position and kind of look at their backpedal or their drops, making sure they're in a proper zone. Like, what does a big guy look at? Like, you are different than a lot of big guys. You're very athletic. Like RC said, you were able to make that move and definitely make the most of it. What do you study when you're watching another lineman?

• 14:12Speaker 05

  How they're going to block somebody. Like, if I'm blocking, you know, the same edge rusher as, say, Jordan Mylott or Trent, like, I'm seeing what set they're taking, like, third down. What kind of set are they taking? Are they setting vertical? Like, I kind of, I like to jump set guys. I like to close space, like, I'll get my hands on them. And then you can react. But, like, you're susceptible to a couple of things, you know, off a jump set. Like, you're leaving a big window on the inside. You're susceptible to twist games. Like, if they, you know, a defenseman sees that, you know, then they're talking with a D tackle. Like, I'm gonna set out. Okay, they're running a big pick game. That's easy. But it's like, just knowing, knowing when stuff's coming, seeing their tells. You know, if they're communicating, you're like, "Okay, maybe I don't want to go jump set." But for tackles, I'm watching guys' sets, how they sit on a bull rush, like... Their, their hands, like I'm a big outside hand puncher.

• 14:57Speaker 05

  I think a lot, a lot of tackles in this league are, but it's, you know, outside hand, that one gets swiped and you're okay. You know, keep, as long as you keep your feet moving, like they can swipe this one all day, you bring your inside hand and, and, you know, it's fine. As long as you keep your feet moving. When you stop your feet, that's usually when most tackles get in trouble. Stop your feet, you're dead. But just trying to watch guys' sets, like that's the biggest thing for me, how they, how they react to certain moves. And then the D linemen's get off, like watching their get off, you know, because everything comes off of two, three steps, you know, they're doing. Inside foot back, you know, it's, it's gonna be, inside foot back, they can, they can come inside, you get it. Most guys aren't gonna, with their inside foot up, they're not, they're, they can't. Push towards their up foot, so if their inside foot's back, you know, they're gonna push off their outside, they can come inside easily, so it's just like, just seeing little stuff like that.

• 15:37Channing Crowder?

  Got it.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  That might help you.

• 15:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I don't know nothing about none of that.

• 15:41Speaker 05

  That might help you. It's, it's, it's the same for, like, watching somebody's back, but watching, you know, whatever it is, just watching their feet. You know, just in a different, just in a different light, you know.

• 15:48Channing Crowder?

  It makes, it makes perfect sense. Yeah, yeah, and all this teach tape you just gave. Got you a hundred and forty.

• 16:00Ryan Clark?

  I knew he was gonna count his pocket at some point.

• 16:02Channing Crowder?

  I count pockets, man. I'm, I'm just amazed, but how does that, what did that, how did that, how did that change things for you personally?

• 16:09Speaker 05

  I mean, nothing.

• 16:10Channing Crowder?

  It, it did something.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, it, it obviously, it obviously changed a lot, but like. You try not to let it change you, like, I got a new car, you know, I got a new Mercedes, that's, that's fun. I got, I got a couple new watches.

• 16:23Ryan Clark?

  Chang, he went thirteen, he went thirteen too, so he had had, but he had money that changed his life to an extent, though.

• 16:30Channing Crowder?

  But that's thirty million, now it's a hundred, a hundred and forty, like it's, so two watches, so sixty, new Mercedes, hundred. That's a hundred and sixty thousand, you still got a hundred and thirty-nine million to spend.

• 16:43Speaker 05

  No, I ain't got, it's, it's, it's, that's future, that's future, so you gotta, you gotta be smart, you gotta, you gotta be smart with it, um.

• 16:50Channing Crowder?

  But yeah, but, but that responsibility, knowing that they put that much into you, knowing that they, you know, say. That's your one, period. Joe Thomas was the guy I played with, uh, Ogden, I always bring up Ogden, Ogden, Ogden.

• 17:00Speaker 05

  He threw a shot put at UCLA.

• 17:02Channing Crowder?

  Bro, he used to choke these shit out of me. Yeah, I, I couldn't, I didn't even wanna rush when they told me to rush off that left side. Nah, coach, I'm good.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  He was crazy.

• 17:10Channing Crowder?

  Let's not rush anymore, stuff like that, but knowing that you're on that level, multiple time Pro Bowler.

• 17:17Channing Crowder?

  Don't want to, if your career continues to go where it's going, you know, you could be an Alden, you could be a Joe Thomas, like that. And just knowing that they put that much into you, like, I know you were talking about the mental health stuff, but just that, like, knowing that you're that guy.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a big thing too, is like, feeling like you gotta live up to that. You're like, you're like, this is, they, they put this much into me, they, they have this much confidence in me, trust in me. Um, now I gotta go do it and, um, kind of circle back to Dr. Joe Corella, he's like, nobody's worth that much money. You know, nobody's, nobody's worth, you know, all these athletes around the, around the NFL, NBA, like, nobody's worth that much money. But you are, cause like, that's what, that's what the market is, that's what, that's what everything is, that's how, that's how we get paid. So it's like, getting over that, um, that fear of like, not living up to that. And it's like, just go, just go play that you, he's like, you got that because of what you've done already. He's like, no, keep going, go have fun, go, go do what you do. For a while there, I was like, you know, I, I sat out of like, the first week of training camp or something. Um, cause like our, you know, at the time, our left guard had torn his ACL, like,

• 18:15Speaker 05

  the sec, uh, the second or third day of camp, we had rain indoor practice, tore his ACL. And I was like, I was like, damn, I was like, and I saw, I saw Ryan Jensen go down, you know, my rookie year. So I was like, there's a, I was like, I was out there doing stuff and then I was like, I kind of said, I was like, I got a lot on the line right now. I was like, I got, I got a lot of money on the line right now. It was so hard, I remember calling Coach Bowles, I was like, Coach, what do I, I was like, what do I do? I was like, I got, you know, I haven't signed anything yet, like, but I'm, I, I want to be out here with my guys. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to feel like an asshole, like, sitting out while they're, you know, Tampa heat, it's no joke. Like, they're, they're a grind, I got guy, you know, taking extra reps, cause I'm sitting out. So I'm like, I don't want to be an asshole. I remember going and talking to, to Jason Light on like a third, it was like our off day. I hadn't talked to him like this whole time, like in person, went and talked to him.

• 18:58Speaker 05

  I got a text that night, I said, thanks for coming to talk to me. And then my agent called me like five minutes later, he's like, yeah, we're, we're good. He said, go practice. I said, hell yeah. Fucking go. I ran out to practice so giddy that, that morning, I was like, let's fucking go, boys, we're back, we're back.

• 19:13Channing Crowder?

  Like, that's the dream, right? You, you put in the level of work you did, shoot, wrestling Letterman, right? Uh, track as well.

• 19:22Ryan Clark?

  I heard you could play a little bit of first base before you realized, you know.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  I was picking shit out of the dirt, what are you talking about?

• 19:28Ryan Clark?

  What you were gonna do, and you know, a lot of those things, man, you can pass down genetically. You found out that you became an all-pro on both sides of the offensive line, which had never been done in a very unique way.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:43Ryan Clark?

  Right? Your girl bought your baby and had to, my daddy is an all-pro. How has being a father, man, just changed you, affected you, you know, grown you up and matured you in so many ways?

• 19:58Speaker 05

  I mean, it's kinda crazy, you know, I mean, finding out that way was unbelievable.

• 20:03Ryan Clark?

  What was that like, man?

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, so she knew for like two days and I was like, I knew, I was like telling her, I was like, you know, no one's ever done it at both sides, like it comes out on Friday. And she knew for like two days, like, so she was like, I'm telling her and she's like, oh yeah, like that's funny. And I was like, I had this interview, they had me do this interview, and I thought they told me they just wanted to talk about the run game and stuff, I was like, yeah, and I'm wearing Crocs and everything, they're like, do you wanna change? I was like, I was like, no, I gotta go lift, I was like, what are you talking about? I was like, no. And I'm sitting there, and then, yeah, they walk in, I was like, what the, what are you doing here? No, that was crazy, 'cause I was, yeah, I told her like the night before, I was like, man, I was like, it comes out Friday. Having a son is like, it's unbelievable. I remember like coming home in training camp and like seeing it, you're like,

• 20:46Speaker 05

  seeing your child, that like, it just blows my mind, you know, and now he's gonna be 10 months here in like two days and he's moving around, he's like, he's not quite walking yet, but he's getting, he's getting close, but it's like, everything that you didn't have, like growing, like I didn't grow up with a father in the house, so it's like, now you're trying to give him everything that you didn't, that I didn't have, so it's so, it's so unbelievable.

• 21:10Ryan Clark?

  With not having that, you know, and...

• 21:14Ryan Clark?

  Being able now to be in a position to show what your mother was able to raise, to show that you are a good man. And so many times you hear the, you know, a woman can't raise a man. What does that relationship mean to you?

• 21:32Speaker 05

  Oh, my mom is the best. She lives back in Iowa still, like she lives on like 10 acres out in the country, like got her dogs. She did everything, like everything she possibly could for me and my sister growing up. You know, she, she worked at Target for, for 28 years, I think. And like made it to, made it to my sporting events, made it to my sister's, my sister's activities. Like did everything she could to, to give us the stuff we need. And she told, I remember she told me that one time, she's like, you might not have everything you want, but you're gonna have everything you need. And it's like, you know, she was, I remember like hearing her like cry on the phone with her sister about, about bills and stuff. You didn't know what it's, what it's about when you're a little kid. As you get older, you like, you start to understand like, like we're struggling like. And you don't know it, like she did her best to, to keep that from us and make sure we were happy and healthy and everything. Like we were going through it. And then you have other people step up too.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  You know, my friends dads, my, you know, my aunts, uncles, my grandma, like it takes, it takes a village, you know? But she did everything she possibly could, you know, to make sure we were happy. And I'm, I'll always be grateful for my, my mother for that. Like she's, she's the best.

• 22:28Fred Taylor?

  I always find it interesting to hearing of people's journey, you know, their upbringing. And something touched me there, not so much Channing talking about the 140, but more so, you know, growing up, single family household, colonial estates, trailer park, to now being able to set your mom up on 10 acres. You know, just that, that feeling like how does being able to look back on your childhood and then to come full circle and say, man, you know, I owe all of this to my mom. Yeah, I put in the work, but I owe all of this to my mother. And then be able to look back on that, like what, what's that feeling like?

• 23:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a, it's kind of, it is, it is kind of wild. Cause I remember we lived in the trailer park with my grandma for a while. I remember when we got, we moved to our, my mom's first house. It's so crazy, like I looked it up on Zillow, it's like 800 square feet, like. Just this little thing right on the edge of town, but I remember like it was a huge deal for us. And I remember it's ingrained, I was, I was five years old and I was, it's ingrained in my head. The first night, we didn't have anything, but we had matches and I remember we, two twin matches next to each other in the living room. Like no furniture in there, no nothing, just two matches and that's where we slept. And like, looking back on it, like that's like, you know, it's crazy. Um, but I were, we were like, she was so excited. She's like, I, we got a house. Didn't have a lick, didn't have a lick of furniture, but we had, we had two matches.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  Being able to call her, like I remember calling her and telling her like, hey, you don't gotta work, you don't gotta work anymore. She worked at Target, she was 16. Oh, you don't gotta work anymore. And then, um, first thing I did was I paid off her, paid off her mortgage the next year and then we moved her out to, out of the country. She's got all this, all this land now and that feeling, like that feeling is, it's unbelievable. It's like, like I saw the struggle we went through, like I saw, you know, um, I had, like, I remember my first car, like I, I wouldn't tell, like if I was low on gas, I wouldn't tell, like, I wouldn't tell her. I'd remember rolling into the gas station, I remember getting out, like pushing my car to the gas station. I'm like, I can't tell her, like, I know, I know we don't have any money for gas, but I'm like scrounging up for quarters and stuff. Just an unbelievable feeling being able to, to, to buy her a house and, um, that, hey, we're, we're good.

• 24:32Fred Taylor?

  And I think, um, I think that message she left you with, it might not have what you want, but I can get you what you need. I think that's gonna take you far.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:43Fred Taylor?

  You know, a lot of guys tend to, um, what's that number? Seventy-eight percent of guys after their dumb, dumb plan.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  Divorced and broke.

• 24:50Fred Taylor?

  Divorced, broke, filed bankruptcy, what have you. But I think just that message alone, it'll allow you to, you know, go, go far and not make those mistakes. And it'll allow you to, uh, understand what moderation is.

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 25:04Channing Crowder?

  How does the upbringing change when you're rich? Cause I, yeah, I just, I enjoy being rich. Everybody's rich here. It's a, but like to, to, to live that way, to be in a trailer and then now to have a surplus of like, you're not worried about, like you said, I got new, I got Mercedes, I got me a couple of watches like that. Like your watch probably cost more than the, the house you grew up in.

• 25:28Channing Crowder?

  How does that? You know what I'm saying?

• 25:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:30Channing Crowder?

  No, it does. Don't worry about it. I did the math in my mind already. But like, how does that, how does it change your approach moving forward? Like Freddie's talking about, how does that change you moving forward?

• 25:41Speaker 05

  Well, I think at first, it's really, it's weird like, asking, you're like, can I get, can I get this? Or like, can I, can I do this? I didn't know. I was like, I didn't, I remember when I first signed, when I first signed my deal, I was like, am I able to get this? I was like, I know it, like, I can afford it, but it's like, like, I don't know how it worked. I've got a lady, her name's Taryn. I run everything through Taryn. I'm like, um, Taryn, can I get this watch? Can I get this car? She's like, yeah, you can get it. Uh, I would wait. Just something like, just something like that. She's like, she's like, it's not in the plan. She's like, I don't know, we sat down, made a plan, like, when direct deposit hits, she's like, this is going here, this is going here, this is going here. And she's like, this is your fund money. She's like, this is what you can, she's like, every month, she's like, this is what you can go do whatever you want to do with. I was like, sounds good. But I still called her, like, hey, is this, is this okay? She's like, yeah, that's fine.

• 26:25Channing Crowder?

  I ask because there's a lot of guys that jump in a situation like you have. Like, guys are listening, like, that, yeah, they get.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  It's a lot of money, like.

• 26:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  You're like, that can't be right. You know, it's.

• 26:38Channing Crowder?

  That can't be right.

• 26:39Speaker 05

  That can't be. I remember when I, my, my very first signing bonus, when I got drafted, it was, I got, I got three mil. I called my mom, I was like, I'm about to go to a team meeting, I said, I said, go look at the fucking bank account.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  I had two dollars, I had two dollars in there. I remember, I remember I had two dollars in my bank account before I, before I declared for the draft. So going from, going from that to, there's three million in there. I was like, well, that's, I said, they, they, they messed it up. I said, that's, mom, that's not right. This deal, there was another, there was another number on there. I was like, hold on a second. I said, they fucked up.

• 27:11Channing Crowder?

  Seven figures?

• 27:12Speaker 05

  I was like, wait a minute. I was like, wait a minute. So it's just, it's, it's just, it's, it blows my mind, you know, because it's, you know all the work that you put in to, to get there. You're, you're, you're playing, you're playing a game for a living. You're, you're, you're doing what you love. And then to, you know, for that to come, you're like, this is, it's unbelievable.

• 27:29Channing Crowder?

  That's cool.

• 27:30Fred Taylor?

  You ever take a look at the pay stub?

• 27:33Ryan Clark?

  Fred, you played in 1976. This man ain't never seen no pay stub.

• 27:39Speaker 05

  We don't get paper checks.

• 27:40Ryan Clark?

  It's been direct deposit his entire career.

• 27:44Channing Crowder?

  We used to tear the bottom off my chest.

• 27:46Fred Taylor?

  We used to look at Fika. Yeah, like. Who is Fika?

• 27:50Ryan Clark?

  This man ain't never seen no pay stub. He's a baby, like an egg. He's just big.

• 27:56Fred Taylor?

  But we got direct deposit and then they gave us the real thing. I still get direct deposit now. I don't get the real thing. Y'all don't?

• 28:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 28:05Ryan Clark?

  Tristan, I do. I have a question. I love what Fred said about the, sort of the reality of what your mother telling you, right? You'll have what you need.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:15Ryan Clark?

  And it does give you, it sort of gives you a perspective. I heard my mother have those same type of phone calls. I did grow up in a two-parent home, but I've heard those phone calls. And at the time, you don't have the capacity to truly allow it to register.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  No.

• 28:31Ryan Clark?

  Right? But there's a tradition at Iowa. It's actually been voted the most, the best tradition in college football. It's called the wave.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:40Ryan Clark?

  Can you talk about what it's like to be playing a game you love? That involves such physicality, that brings so much enjoyment to so many people. But it does make us special in a way. And then taking that time to wave to the patients and to the parents who are getting an opportunity to enjoy that as well, even though at a time that they're in capacity and that, man.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty, that's a, that's a really special thing. I remember when it first started, Coach Ferenc was like, no, we're not gonna, we're not gonna be a part of it. The fans will wave, you know, we're locked in on the game one week. He was, he was crying. Last thing one week, he said, yeah, we gotta wave. Cause it's so special. I mean, I tell people a lot, it's like, you know, we complain about, you know, we gotta go practice in the heat. We gotta go do this, we gotta do this, complaining. We have to, you know, oh, I have to lift today, you know, I gotta run today. You know, we're complaining about champagne problems. Like those kids are up there getting poked and poked with needles. There's one story that'll, you know, stick with me forever. It was, we used to go up there a lot and visit the kids. And me and my roommate went up around Christmas time and there was a little boy, head to toe, burns all over his body. He was maybe.

• 29:48Speaker 05

  I don't know his exact age. I would say, I'd say he's nine years old. And their house caught fire. Our house is burning down. He ran back inside to get his, to get his four-year-old sister. She's okay. She had a couple burns. His whole body was, imagine being nine years old, running back into a burning house to save your little sister. And all we did was like, a little Nerf ball, a little foam Nerf ball, just go toss with him. He's smiling. His mom's like, he hasn't smiled in weeks. And it puts into perspective, you're like, no, I don't, I don't, I don't have to do any of this. I get to do this. You know, I get to play football for a living. I get to go out here and have a, have a blast with my, with my boys. You know, and this nine-year-old saved his sister's life and, you know, is gonna be scarred for the rest of his life, gonna be changed for the rest of his life. You know, but he did it because he had, you know, he did it because he had to, he had to go save his sister.

• 30:28Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 30:29Speaker 05

  I get myself chills. It's like, I'll never forget that story. I'll never forget, you know, seeing that little boy and seeing the, you know, his mom's face and he hasn't smiled in weeks. And all we did was go toss him a ball, you know, but the impact that you have is, the impact we have as players and the platform we have is, is incredible. It's so immense. And just something like that, like that'll, that'll stay with me forever. But that wave is, it's, it's unbelievable.

• 30:50Fred Taylor?

  I think something that's gonna stay with one of your former coaches forever is, "Duvall."

• 30:58Fred Taylor?

  How is Liam? Cause we talked about it already.

• 31:02Speaker 05

  That was funny.

• 31:02Fred Taylor?

  How, how is Liam, man? That's gonna follow him for a while.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. Liam's the, Liam's the best. We were, the O'Ryan and Baker, we were down in the Bahamas last week and when all that was going on.

• 31:13Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 05

  We called him a year. He called, he called us. He's, Liam's an awesome dude, but I'm gonna have to text him about that. That was, that was funny. I seen it all on Twitter and stuff. I'm like, damn, I think they're, they're getting after him too.

• 31:25Channing Crowder?

  But the wrong, he held the wrong bow.

• 31:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's.

• 31:28Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, they should've "duh", he didn't "aww", he "aww" what he should've "duh",

• 31:33Speaker 05

  That was funny.

• 31:34Ryan Clark?

  But you gotta think, man, you probably, he probably been practicing, practicing it. And when you in that moment, it's a lot of pressure. The, the cameras, everything, and you ain't done it before? It was difficult on that, man. He finna be rich too though, so he ain't tripping.

• 31:47Fred Taylor?

  It was some pressure.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  I seen what Liam got.

• 31:49Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it was some pressure.

• 31:50Speaker 05

  Liam's a, Liam's a watch guy too. And I, when he's on the phone, I said, you're gonna get a new one.

• 31:53Channing Crowder?

  But trust, you bring, you say, that was, that was pretty cool. You, you and Baker, y'all was in the, the Bahamas?

• 31:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:58Channing Crowder?

  That was a planned thing? Y'all, y'all went down there?

• 32:01Speaker 05

  We went, yeah.

• 32:03Channing Crowder?

  Is that scuba diving?

• 32:04Speaker 05

  No, it was too cold. It was, it was pretty windy down there.

• 32:07Channing Crowder?

  That was chilly as hell.

• 32:07Ryan Clark?

  Chan, Chan, that's a, we, I don't know what you about to ask. That's a quick trip plan.

• 32:15Channing Crowder?

  After what they had just went through though.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  How much money they got?

• 32:18Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, but they had just, they just played the commanders though, Chan. Is this a pre-plan?

• 32:25Speaker 05

  Every year we've done it.

• 32:26Channing Crowder?

  Really?

• 32:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:27Channing Crowder?

  BMR, what's that called? BMR?

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Uh, we went to Bakers Bay.

• 32:31Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, that's where big money people go.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Baker's got a place there.

• 32:35Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he has a place over there. Jesus Christ.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  Baker's a Heisman Trophy winner. Like, I forget, I forget it. Baker, Baker's a Heisman Trophy winner.

• 32:43Channing Crowder?

  Baker was, Baker's a dude.

• 32:45Speaker 05

  Yes, like, people know, people like, this guy, Baker's a dog. Like, people don't, people don't understand that. People don't understand that. Like, he was, I remember when I was in, would have been high, uh, high school, like, Baker Mayfield was like, the best thing since sliced bread. We're like, this guy is incredible. The swag he had, like, it's, it's crazy, but yeah, Baker's, Baker's a dog.

• 33:04Channing Crowder?

  They just, hundred million dollar dog fed him, because he just got the new deal. But how was that transition from Tom to Baker? Because that's a, you just said it, you know where Tom's gonna be.

• 33:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was.

• 33:15Channing Crowder?

  Baker ain't gonna be there.

• 33:16Speaker 05

  No, that's a big, that was a big change. Um, three years with Tom, sitting, I mean, the defenseman knew, knew where Tom was gonna be too, but you gotta change, you gotta, you gotta fix this internal clock of like, okay, it's like one, one with the, two with, oh, ball's out. Like, Baker's gonna, Baker's gonna look, he's gonna run around, he's gonna spin out, he's gonna probably break a tackle on, on the way, so like, that was a big change at first, being like, yeah, I gotta, I gotta strain, like, you know, like, you think, it's just, you think the ball's out? Oh, no, he's looking, he's looking to make a, to make a play, so that was, I think, the biggest change, is knowing that Baker's gonna scramble, knowing if, if something's not open, he's gonna run, and, and just staying connected with your block, moving your feet, not letting it get outside your body, you know, throw a damn flag.

• 33:55Speaker 05

  That's the biggest change. But Baker, like, being able to go hang out with him, being able to go get a beer with him, you know, I couldn't, nobody can do that with Tom, like, Tom fucking Brady, like, you know, he's not coming out with, oh, let's go hit the bars, Tom, he's like, oh, I'm good.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  But Baker, we're like, you know, there's a little bar down in Davis Island, we all go to after games, you know, hang out, watch the other, you know, watch the Sunday night game, Monday night game, whatever it is. But being able to go out and, and hang out with Baker, like, he's one of my best friends, so it's like, that's, that's an, that's an awesome relationship.

• 34:23Channing Crowder?

  And even that, like, do you ever just, do you ever like, look back to see if he still has the ball? Because I watch all the Bucs games, like, you'll be blocking like.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  If you're hemmed up a little bit, you just take a peek, like, you got it, still, shit. If you got somebody, if you got somebody like hemmed up good, you know, just take a peek. He's still got it, he's still got it, you know? You never know, you never know, some, like, a lot of time he gets the ball out quick. Sometimes he's sitting there.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  You're like, fuck. Throw that fucking thing.

• 34:53Ryan Clark?

  I think it's cool though, and this is just outside perspective. It's like, you're right about Baker, right? Like, the dance video that goes viral every year when college football playoff starts.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:05Ryan Clark?

  Like, what's the kids call it now? Riz, Aura, something like that. Something that, that y'all, I'm too old to really know. Riz. Riz, yeah, charisma. Yeah, but, but so, so Baker, but he had all that. And I think like the, the coolest part about, the coolest part about him to me though, was that, this was a dude that was a walk-on, right? Built himself through hard work to be a Heisman Trophy winner.

• 35:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:29Ryan Clark?

  He's the number one overall pick, becomes a Pro Bowler. But then he had to go through adversity to get to this point in Tampa. This was Carolina, Rams, all of those things. When, you know, you told the story that, you know, you see him in the weight room. He's like, hey man, you wanna go grab a beer? You guys go grab a beer. What were some of the things in just initially meeting him that drew you to him? Where now you could say that Baker is one of your best friends?

• 35:54Speaker 05

  I don't know what it was, like, I remember the first time I met him. But then like, he was here, he was like living in a hotel, just in Tampa. And I'm like, do you wanna, I'm like, do you wanna do something, dude? I was like, um, like, we would go to like Lightning games, the hockey games. We'd go to the like Rays games. Like, I remember at the time, you know, like, we're, we're at the Rays game, like, the, the camera's on him. Like, he's on the Jumbotron, he's just like, how we doing? Like, I didn't realize, like, he's a big fucking deal. He's a big deal.

• 36:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  Um, like, he'd text me, said, hey, let's go get lunch, like, and I'm like, I'd never had that before. So I was like, I was like, yeah, dude, I was like, I'm gonna hang out with you, hell yeah.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Just thinking he's like, you know, he's one of my boys, or, you know, no, he's like, he's the starting quarterback. He's the, he's the dude. I think just that, just him texting me and wanting to hang out, like, was like, yeah, this guy's fucking awesome.

• 36:36Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 36:36Speaker 05

  Um, I think, I think just that, just his personality, you know, he's just one of the guys. I think that's, I think that was just the biggest thing. Like, going from not having that at all to... He's calling me like, "Let's go get a beer." I'm like, "Yeah."

• 36:48Ryan Clark?

  So, okay, and this is not as funny. Like, I laughed at that story. I'm not laughing at this next story I'm about to ask you about. So, I host Inside the NFL, NFL Films. In our highlight video of Commanders-Bucks, you hug one of your other offensive linemen at the end. You tell him you love him. And he's like, "You're my best fucking friend, man."

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:12Ryan Clark?

  When you're in that moment, you know, because we've all been there. You know, I tell people all the time, there's only one of 32 teams, there's only one success story every year, and that's the team that wins the Super Bowl. I was like, "Everybody else fails." But when you're in that moment, man, and the season ends in a game that a lot of people had you guys favored against the Commanders, what are you feeling at that exact time where you're sharing that moment?

• 37:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was Rob Hainsey. He, uh, he's my best friend. He came in a year after me, and we just did it. We just did everything together, you know? Because I came into a room that was a very veteran-led room, and like, you know, everyone had kids, everyone was older, like... But he came in, and I'm like, "Yeah, we're hanging out." So, it's like, we got to do everything together. So, that was an emotional moment, you know? He started the past two years, ended up not being a starter. We drafted Graham Barton, he came in. But Hainsey, like, he took it...

• 38:11Speaker 05

  It was tough at first for him, but him being a veteran now, like, teaching Graham the ropes, teaching him, you know, teaching him the way, you know, and now Hainsey's going to be a free agent. Like, that was kind of like, he's going to go play somewhere. There's not 31 centers in the league better than him. We talked about it all year. He's like, "Oh, he's like, "I'm going to leave. You know, "I'm not going to be here next year." Like, we give Graham a hard time, like, "It's never going to be this good." I thought we had an incredible O-line room, and we just give him a hard time. But that was kind of the realization that, like, yeah, he's leaving. It's over. Because it's never going to be the same, you know? That's how it is in the NFL.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  But yeah, that was kind of the realization that that he's leaving. It was emotional. Like, I love, the O-line room we had this year was was the best I've ever been a part of. And like, we're so close and we have three free agents. You know, we have Robert Hainsey, Ben Bredesen, Justin School. And like, those guys are my best friends. So it's like, it sucked, you know, but that's that's that's the NFL. And I hope we can get someone back. I know Hainsey, Hainsey, Hainsey wants to go play. He loves, he loves ball. He loves playing. One of the smartest guys I know. Tough as nails.

• 39:08Ryan Clark?

  I think that's the hard part about what you guys still do, what we did, is people don't factor in the human side of the business.

• 39:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:17Ryan Clark?

  Right? And it is. And, you know, we spent time, obviously, celebrating what you've earned, right? It wasn't given to you, what you've earned through your great play. But then there are the other sides, like a guy who has been a starter, but he's replaced by a young guy. And within that room, he's going to be asked to help this young person that now has his job to be better. And he'll do it for you.

• 39:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:41Ryan Clark?

  Right? He'll do it for that guy, but eventually he wants to go get his own too. And so now it is you having the feeling of a friend being in a different place. It's not gonna lessen your friendship, but it will lessen the time you spend with your friend. And so, yeah, I think all of those things are are definitely a part of the business that we don't speak about enough because it does play a role.

• 40:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:03Fred Taylor?

  Thinking of football, if there was a player, past the present, defensive player, who would it be that you would go up against?

• 40:10Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh. Wow. Demarcus Ware. I remember watching him. That'd be fun. Like, I think that'd be a lot of fun. I mean, probably wouldn't be funny. Probably get my ass kicked, fucking Demarcus Ware. Well, why did I pick that? I don't know. I remember in at the Combine, I said J.J. Watt, and then I got to play him when he was in Arizona, like right before. It was Christmas Day. And then he, I think he retired after that season. But like, so that was cool. And I got him, I was coming off an ankle injury. I couldn't, I couldn't do shit on my right, on my right ankle. And I remember I had a backside cutoff on him and I was like... I remember seeing him just jetted up three-point stance like he's gonna fly off the ball. And I remember I was like, I can't push, I can't push off, I can't push to the left.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  I just did like a quick little pivot and I grabbed like his back hip and just threw him upfield kinda. And he said, uh, after the play, he's like, that's an old vet move. And I was like, yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 05

  I got it. Then he blew me up the next play. I just had a drive block on him. He's just stoning me. I was like, alright, there it is. Get one back.

• 41:09Ryan Clark?

  Old man, sir.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was like, alright, that's fair. But like to, like watching J.J. Watt like in his prime was like, he was unblockable. Unblockable. So it's like, and like Stephen Demarcus, where I remember he hit, who'd he hit? Joe Staley with the fake spin. Like that's, like I, Joe Staley was like looking around. He's like, Joe Staley's a Hall of Fame player. Like that's, he's incredible. So it's like, but being able to like go against those guys and would have been, would have been, would have been awesome. Like I like the competition, like you crave the competition. Like you, you know, that's why, that's why we play the game. We're all competitors. So I think that would have been,

• 41:41Ryan Clark?

  I wish you'd asked me. I'm picking the third string wide receiver. I'm picking the running back that don't play. Who you wanna play? Oh, give me Danny Amendola.

• 41:51Speaker 05

  46.

• 41:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 41:55Ryan Clark?

  He picked it all time great.

• 41:58Speaker 05

  That's who I watched. That's like, that's who, that's who I watched and stuff. It's like, that's, that would have been sweet.

• 42:03Ryan Clark?

  You played all of these sports, lettered, did all of these things. You become a tackle. I'm gonna ask you a very Iowa question. That's important to me as a former defensive back. Where y'all getting these white boys that could play corner?

• 42:16Speaker 05

  From Iowa.

• 42:17Ryan Clark?

  Cooper, Riley, like,

• 42:19Speaker 05

  Coop went to, Coop, did you see the video of Coop running the 100 meter?

• 42:25Ryan Clark?

  No, I didn't see him run. I saw his video. I saw his 40.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  He ran the 100 meter faster than Saquon.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  And he jumped, long jump further than Saquon.

• 42:32Ryan Clark?

  So you just gonna throw that out there like that?

• 42:34Speaker 05

  I saw it on Twitter. My Mike J, he's like the Iowa track and field legend. He like announces like the state tournament. Somebody posted Saquon's highlight. And I love Saquon's cool. But they posted Saquon's tracks, highlights, and Mike J just kinda like threw this out there. He's like, oh, he's like, his teammate did this. It was like 1021. A 20, I'm gonna butcher it. Tweet's out there, but he jumped like a 21.4 or something. Coop's a freak. So was Riley Moss. I remember watching Riley Moss run the 110 high hurdles at the state track tournament. The best in Iowa, Iowa, the pipeline.

• 43:08Ryan Clark?

  Here's the thing too. Calling the pipeline. Cooper went to, he went to Philly and got a south of France though. Like, he got a burst fade now.

• 43:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, he had that in Iowa. He did have that in Iowa.

• 43:19Ryan Clark?

  Okay, alright. I didn't know if he got that when he got to Philly. No, okay, no.

• 43:24Speaker 05

  You got the burst fade.

• 43:25Ryan Clark?

  Now the most famous from Iowa. Alright, you sitting, you in the NFL at this point, and Katelyn Clark.

• 43:32Speaker 05

  Oh, she's a, she's a freak. Katelyn's the best. What was, wait, what was the question?

• 43:36Ryan Clark?

  I didn't get to it yet. I was about to ask.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  I got it. Katelyn's the best, yeah.

• 43:39Ryan Clark?

  But that was my point though, you know, you, you look at Iowa and like you guys are known for certain things, right? It's like, you gonna go get you some offensive linemen, you are going to get the best tight end.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:51Ryan Clark?

  You know, when, when you go there. It's not very often we're like, hey, you gonna go there and get the best hooper in the world. But that's what Katelyn Clark had become in college and is continuing to evolve as, as a basketball player. But when you sitting in the league, man, and you watching the NCAA, I went to LSU, so I was tapped in.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:10Ryan Clark?

  You know, you're seeing the sort of run that they're making and what she was doing. Like, what impact has she had on the sports culture there?

• 44:18Speaker 05

  Oh my goodness. I think for kids in Iowa, like it's, you see 22 jerseys all over the place. And there's been a couple pictures I've seen of her, like you remember they played the outdoor basketball game in Kinnick Stadium? Like, there's a picture of her just like taking it down the court and you see like... The whole, like Kenny Stadium was like filled up, like I think they did like three quarters of it, filled up, and they came, they came to watch her, like, there's this one, like, you see the signs, like the little girls holding up, like, I want to be like 22, like, her impact is nationwide, it's probably worldwide, like, it's, it's, it's unbelievable to watch and see her just ascend, you know, over these past couple of years. From Iowa too, she's from, she's from Des Moines, Iowa, like, Cooper, Riley Moss from Des Moines, Iowa, like,

• 45:03Speaker 05

  he went to Ankeny, like, I don't know where, I don't know, or, yeah, I don't know where Cooper's from, he's from, like, IBWCG or something, so, little, little, little town, but he was in there, yamming on people, like, running, flying, flying down the track, like, doing everything. Watching Cooper in the state tournament for football, playing, most people in Iowa played, we played both sides of the ball in high school, like, most, most guys do, it's like, he was doing everything, he was playing safety, he was playing quarterback, just, he's like, yeah, get the snap, he's like, oh, no, he's only going to run for 60. Like, that's just, you know, it's just fun, like, competitors, and getting to see these guys, you know, like, my Iowa teammates, like, I have people I know, Katelyn Clark, like, Luca Garza in the NBA, like, it's just, it's, you know, the Murray Twins, like, it's just awesome to see, you know, people that I got to compete against in high school and

• 45:46Speaker 05

  got to play with in college, you know, all have this immense success, it's, it's incredible.

• 45:51Channing Crowder?

  And, bro, speaking about teammates, I gotta ask you, that Saints game, this year, did y'all, like, everybody knew Mike was right on the verge of...

• 46:00Speaker 05

  Everybody in the world knew it, yeah.

• 46:01Channing Crowder?

  Like, the game was prime time.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:05Channing Crowder?

  When, when were y'all, like, when was you privy to, like, we gotta get Mike this goddamn ball, because you only up by eight.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  It could have been...

• 46:13Channing Crowder?

  You could have just ran the ball and ran the clock out, but Mike had to get that ball. Todd Bowles was my coach, he was in Miami when I was there, Todd, Todd's a solid dude, as you know.

• 46:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:22Channing Crowder?

  Like, but, like, how, how much was the team on that?

• 46:25Speaker 05

  Everybody, like, all week, all week, like, Mike's gotta get his thing, and I remember, well, he needed five yards, and we were on, like, the six yard line, and, right before Bucky scored, he ran, like, they brought, they brought, they brought zero, and baked, like, we all, like, we all had a check for it to be something else, ball was going to Mike, like, that ball was going to Mike, you know, pylon, you know, it's going to be a touchdown, that's, that's the Mike, it should be just called the Mike, like, that's his route. Brought zero, big, flipped it to Bucky, Bucky scored, and, um, we're like, shit, did we, did we mess it up, like, uh, did we mess up his record, like, tie the record? And I remember, uh, get the ball back...

• 47:01Speaker 05

  And it wasn't even a question where like, we have the ball, like, coming off the sideline if we score, we're like, it's alright, we're gonna get the ball back. That's what I said to him. I was like, we're gonna get the ball, we're gonna be fine. I was like, I love it. We're gonna get you, like, it's gonna happen. I'm getting juiced up about it right now, holy shit.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  But we go out there, they called it, I'm like, yeah, here we go. And just being out on the field, when he, like, called the play, everyone in the stadium knew, like, yeah, like, Mike's getting the ball. And getting the record, or getting, tying the record with Jerry, which, I didn't know, it was only Jerry, I didn't know it was only Jerry Rice. Like, that's, Mike's just picking the ball. Like, it's insane. Being out there and watching him do that, you know, now being his teammate for five years was just unbelievable.

• 47:38Channing Crowder?

  He's special.

• 47:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's special, holy shit, yeah.

• 47:41Ryan Clark?

  I love him.

• 47:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's special.

• 47:43Ryan Clark?

  He talk like a lineman all the way, you know?

• 47:48Ryan Clark?

  All the way.

• 47:49Channing Crowder?

  You know he throwing like back shoulder to the pylon, you just, do you, okay, let me do my job.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  We're on the two yard line, they're like, alright, alright. Ball's going to Mike, yeah, Roger that. Quick, quick pass, bro, see it overhead? Oh, touchdown. One-handed catch, yeah. Toe tap, one-handed catch.

• 48:05Ryan Clark?

  So I got a question for you though, Tristan. You know the history, you know the history. If Marshawn Lattimore is out there, does he let Mike catch that ball? Or does he just pass interference out the gate?

• 48:15Speaker 05

  Let him.

• 48:16Ryan Clark?

  Bro.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  Let him, he's catching, Mike catching it. That's crazy.

• 48:21Ryan Clark?

  Come on now, Tristan, Tristan, everybody, Tristan, everybody was out, the Saints might as well have been celebrating the fact that Mike caught the ball. Mike caught the ball, y'all celebrated, he walked off.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  Mike?

• 48:35Ryan Clark?

  Mike walked into the tunnel.

• 48:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's out of there. That's, that's game.

• 48:39Ryan Clark?

  Bro.

• 48:39Speaker 05

  He's not celebrating with, he's not shaking hands with the Saints, Mike. Mike, you've seen the battles that Mike's had with Marshawn. That was my job.

• 48:46Ryan Clark?

  Marshawn is in Washington now. I feel like if Marshawn is there, bro, that goes differently.

• 48:51Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 48:52Ryan Clark?

  He's not just.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  I've watched Mike and Marshawn go at it for five years, and I don't think it goes differently. Whether he plays, he's playing up, he's like, no, you're not getting this. Mike's sick five. Mike's a sick five receiver. He needs five yards. That's all he needed was five. Like, he's getting that. Okay, I don't know how much, I don't know how much time was left in the, in the game, but like. You see Mike's line up, he's like, "Yeah, I'm gonna..." He's like, "I need five." He's getting that five. No, I don't think anyone's gonna stop him. I don't think anyone's stopping him from getting five right there.

• 49:23Ryan Clark?

  I'm doubling him.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  For two guys.

• 49:26Ryan Clark?

  You're not finna, you're not finna get this money, bro.

• 49:29Channing Crowder?

  It's about like punch.

• 49:30Ryan Clark?

  Finish the record. He's, I'm doing him like Calvin Johnson. At that moment, the Saints, as much as they, bro. Bro, I'm from New Orleans. They hate these people. Like legitimately, bro, remember when Jameis?

• 49:43Channing Crowder?

  Inside so that he could move if he needed to.

• 49:46Ryan Clark?

  Bro, do you remember when Jameis poked Marshawn like this and Mike ran and spit that man into the stands?

• 49:52Speaker 05

  They told me, my rookie year, they said, "Go get, go get Mike." After every play, Ryan Griffin told me, he said, "Go get Mike after every play." And I remember like, I thought he was like being one, which he was being serious, but I was like, "Okay." I'd do my pass around, I'd look, and then Mike's, Mike and Marshawn in each other's face, I'm sprinting down the field, I'm like, "Come on, Mike." You know, I'm going to get him. Like, I thought he was being like hundreds of serious to go get him, so I'm like, "All right." Went and got him. They were, they were, I don't know, that year in particular, I think they were going at it. I know, in 2020, that was, that was something else. I was like, "Shit." You gotta keep an eye on Mike. I was like, "Oh my gosh."

• 50:25Channing Crowder?

  Eye on you.

• 50:26Speaker 05

  That was crazy. I was like, I know, I was like...

• 50:28Fred Taylor?

  RC's, RC's mentioned the Saints. The Saints, there were a while before you got in the league, obviously. They had a guy by the name of Drew Brees, and they dominated the South. You guys have been in position dominating the South. Still falling short of your, your goals of what you achieved in 2020.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:50Fred Taylor?

  You have you, you have Baker, you have Mike, you know, you have Coach in place, you have still a good roster.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:57Fred Taylor?

  What is it gonna take for you guys to get back to championship level?

• 51:04Speaker 05

  I think not shooting ourselves in the foot. I feel like it's a, that's a very, I know it's a very broad answer, but there were so many times where, this year, where we were in one-score games, in close games, and if you take away some mental stuff earlier in the game, like you don't know how it goes, that, and I think scoring in the red zone, like... There was one game like later in the season where we were in the red zone three times and didn't score. We still put up a decent amount of points, but there were, we didn't score in the red zone three times. That's 21, that's 21 points. Like, it's...

• 51:28Speaker 05

  It's no contest after that, like you like and we still we still end up winning, but I'm like tack on 21 more points instead of what instead of nine?

• 51:35Fred Taylor?

  It was that Carolina game.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  Might have been that one. But it's like scoring like getting everyone loves field goals like three yeah we'll take points when we can get it, but 21 compared to nine like that's a

• 51:48Fred Taylor?

  Simple math, yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 05

  Like that's a big that's a big difference and um you know the mental the mental stuff you know pre stamp penalties like it's it's stuff we can you know control the controllables like you know and and we can we can do that. I mean, it's just that, you know, I think we're close. I think we're really close.

• 52:01Ryan Clark?

  How difficult is it to deal like I remember when we won the Super Bowl? We had a rookie corner who played a ton. He was a starting nickel. He rotated in that corner. And I just remember him after the game being like, man, we coming back next year. And I remember thinking to myself, that's not how it works.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:19Ryan Clark?

  You know, because at that point I was in my seventh year

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:21Ryan Clark?

  in the league and it was my first time even getting to the AFC Championship. For you to have that early success, to know what it feels like, to know what it looks like.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:30Ryan Clark?

  And to now be dealing with, okay, how do we get back? How difficult has that been? But also too, how much do you enjoy working your way back to the pinnacle?

• 52:41Speaker 05

  I didn't realize I didn't realize like how big it was my rookie. I didn't realize like three road playoff games. I didn't realize like what we did was was pretty insane. But we know how to we know how to get like I've seen the rest. I know I know I know the recipe. So it's like you know, the journey back is like I was the same way too as that guy. I was like, oh, we're like, we're gonna do it next year. Like everyone's coming back. There you go. Like, not really. That's it. We did get a lot of guys. We did sign a bunch of guys back because like Tampa's a great place. Like it's it's we did sign a lot of guys back, but you know, you you don't you don't understand how much turnover there is. Yeah, you know, it just doesn't happen. You know, it's not the same guys, you know, oh, yeah, we all got like math class together, you know, it doesn't work like that like college. But seeing that recipe for success that, you know, Tom really brought with you know, brought with him and um you know, how to how to be

• 53:22Speaker 05

  a a winning organization and and you know, bringing a culture with him and bringing all this bringing all this stuff. You know, because he's done it. He's more than anybody, you know, more than more than any franchise. So it's been it's been awesome because now it's like being an older guy, I'm like, okay, now it's my job to to set the precedent and to to try and set the standard um and and bring guys along, you know, so having those talks with Bake and um you know, Levante's Levante's done it.

• 53:44Ryan Clark?

  Awesome.

• 53:45Speaker 05

  Levante David, we didn't even. Don't get me started on Devante David. What a player.

• 53:50Ryan Clark?

  Yes, he is.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  What a player, but it's like you got guys like that, you know, Will Golson, you know, Vita Vea, like guys, you know, we've all, we've all done it for a while now, Mike, Chris, you know, all these guys. So now it's our turn to, to be the leaders and to bring everybody along and, and, you know, do our best to, to create a culture and an environment that, you know, will breed that's accept. Do you and Vita ever go one on one? Not really, not really. I was gonna say, he's inside, you outside, but that's a bad human. Yeah, they got some packages in training camp where they put him out at the end and I tell him, I'm like, you, I said, Vita, I said, don't do this. No gloves on either? No gloves, no tape. You see him, he's got like his red visor, I like break the huddle, see him out there. And I know, you know what it's gonna be, it's gonna be speed to bowl. He's going speed to bowl. Roman football.

• 54:33Speaker 05

  And I'm like, if you set back, it's over, if you set back, if you set back at all. Yeah, I'm in Baker's, I'm in Baker's lap. So like, I see him out there, go jump set him, just stop him before he gets his helmet on. You can't, like, you cannot stop it. You can't, you see the clip, um, the Titans, two years ago, where his helmet was like, was to the side, lined up at end, and the guy didn't go jump set him, he just ran right through him. He doesn't, he didn't slow down. Like, you can't, you can't stop.

• 54:57Ryan Clark?

  Tristan, I have a question. Better, crazier moment? Tom Brady tore up at the parade? Or AB leaving the stadium?

• 55:09Speaker 05

  Crazier moment, wow. That, I would say, I would say Tom at the parade because offense was out on the field when all that AB, like, we came to the sideline, like, they're like, AB left. I said, what, I said, what do you mean, he left? I said, what are you talking about? And they're like, he, they're like, he took off. And then like, we didn't know, but like, I didn't see what happened until after the game on Twitter. I was like, are you shitting me?

• 55:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I had no idea that was happening. Like, we're doing a two, we're doing a, we're doing a two minute drive before halftime, trying to score, and AB's waving his jersey in the end zone. We're like, what's going on? You know? But seeing Tom torch at the, at the, I mean, I was, everyone was smoked, like, that was incredible. We drank our boat out of beer, like. They're like, we don't have, I was like, let me get, let me get a Michelob Ultra. They're like, no, we don't have any. I said, bring me whatever you got. Like, I don't care what it is.

• 55:58Ryan Clark?

  At this point.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, it was, it was, weather was perfect, it was a hot day, and, hot day in February. We're like, yeah, this is great. We had, there were probably 20 boats, just like, you know, Tom had his own boat, bastard. I was like, typical. But we had like an O line boat, like there's a D line boat, like all, every business group had their own boat. And it was, it was so fun. And then I saw it on the news the next day. They let me get on the news with a microphone after the parade and I was like, that was probably not a good idea.

• 56:25Ryan Clark?

  You said you saw it on the news the next day? So you didn't know that you?

• 56:29Speaker 05

  No, I didn't. I did an interview on, it was on TV. I was like, whose idea was this? I was like, I'm yelling, I was so excited.

• 56:41Fred Taylor?

  Tristan, we usually ask all of our guests, what's their biggest pivot? But just playing everything back in reverse since we started, I want to ask you this. You've achieved a lot, you know, from your upbringing, you know, getting through those challenges, being drafted high, being, starting at Iowa, being drafted high, winning the Super Bowl early in your career. Four-time Pro Bowler, Mr. Pocket Watcher right here, he, he put your business out there.

• 57:10Channing Crowder?

  Big bank hack.

• 57:11Fred Taylor?

  Making big checks.

• 57:13Speaker 05

  You gotta watch out for this guy.

• 57:15Channing Crowder?

  Big bank hack.

• 57:17Fred Taylor?

  All, all of those things, there has to be something that's more rewarding along this journey than, than the other things. What has that been for you?

• 57:26Speaker 05

  So I've been, I've done a lot of stuff with the, so the University of Iowa Children's Hospital where they, where they waved to. Like I remember at the combine, I did this thing, I was like, for my vertical jump, we're going to raise money for every inch I jump or something. Being able to give back to the children's hospital, which, you know, we've visited a ton. And now my son was born, I did this Christmas toy drive at the Moonlight Children's Hospital in Tampa. And it's like, being able to, to go around and, and kind of give back and going through that, going through the children's hospital in Tampa was incredible, giving out Christmas gifts. Like that's a, like that's a feeling you can't get, you know, anywhere else. Like going in, it's, it's, it's little, it's like, it was like a Lego set to a little kid. It was like a Barbie doll to a little girl, like just little stuff like that.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  But, you know, walking through a children's hospital and being able to, to put a smile on a kid's face at Christmas time, you know, some of you know, you don't know, like the, most of them have no idea who you are, but you're just, you know, somebody going to, trying to spread a little Christmas cheer. I think giving back has been unbelievable to, to charities that you want to give back to and, and causes that you, that you appreciate and that you like. I've worked a lot with metropolitan ministries in Tampa. They help single mothers and children in single parent households. Like, that's been incredible. Like, knowing what that's like, growing up in that situation, being able to do these things for kids like that is incredible.

• 58:43Ryan Clark?

  That's amazing, too, and I love the connectivity of that, though, too. You know, because the beautiful thing is, if you do come across, whether, when you do come across the mother of the children, they see Tristan Worth now. They don't know the kid that mom pushed two mattresses together in their first home. So to sometime be able to give them that motivation or that inspiration that there is something bigger than this, that is more, there is more than this while giving back is huge, man. So I just love to hear that story. On our show, we don't get an opportunity to do a lot of linemen. It's probably our fault. One, like, there are very few of you that people really know.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:27Ryan Clark?

  Right, and so that's like the first thing. Two, it's like, gotta be interesting and fun. So I just want to say, man, you are just an awesome, sit-down, great conversation. Thank you, man, continued love to you, man. Enjoy that, baby.

• 59:40Speaker 05

  Thank you, I will.

• 59:40Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir.

• 59:41Channing Crowder?

  Later in the game, he was like, "The weight room is essential, you gotta get in the weight room."

• 59:45Speaker 05

  No way.

• 59:46Channing Crowder?

  He was like, I don't know, like, to your point, I don't know if he was just talking to himself or me, but he was like, "Yeah, yeah, he's strong enough, the weight room is essential."

• 59:52Speaker 05

  That's funny.

• 59:53Channing Crowder?

  Ogden was a monster.

• 59:55Speaker 05

  I used to watch YouTube videos of him all the time, because I knew he threw shot put and disc at UCLA. So I was like, "I threw shot and this, like, this guy's fucking awesome." Yeah, he's cool.

• 1:00:03Channing Crowder?

  He's got Walter Jones. We run up on the edge, so, like, we do, like, I was a wheel backer, so we do, like, the wheel rushes.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:10Channing Crowder?

  So he go up, and my linebacker coach, he was like, we had signals, like, try to spin, you know, jet. Like, we had all these hand signals. One time I walked up, we were in Baltimore, and I walked up on Johnson's side, and I looked over to my coach, and he was like,

• 1:00:25Channing Crowder?

  And I looked like, he was like, just stay outside. That's funny as far as, don't let him get your hair. We gotta let him go. Alright. My bad, sorry. Much as so. Now he's talking football, sorry. Yeah, appreciate you, man. Thank you so much, y'all. All love. Thank you, guys.

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