Pod Insights Jocko Podcast 434.5: FACTS and CLARIFICATIONS: War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership. About this episode Actions, operations, and conduct of SEAL Team Three, Task Unit Bruiser, in the Battle of Ramadi.
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0:00 Jocko Willink? This is an addendum to Jocko Podcast 434, which was called War Crimes Murder and Leadership, with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So after that podcast came out, number 434, if you haven't listened to it, please go listen to that first and come back to this. But after it came out, I had some people point out some things to me that they'd seen or heard on the interwebs. Some of them I'd glanced at, but I checked them out a little more in-depth and normally I don't worry too much about stuff
0:39 Jocko Willink? like this, or I don't talk very much about these kind of sort of thoughtless and flippant comments and, you know, bits of information out there on the interwebs. But there was actually some really revolting and outrageous things being said about me, being said about my task unit, tasking to Bruiser, accusations of war crimes and reckless behavior and getting Americans killed. And it was disgusting to listen to, to read through, and a wretched
1:19 Jocko Willink? insult to all my guys who served and sacrificed, and especially to those guys who aren't here to defend themselves. And there were some very specific things that were said. And if you know anything about the military or war, they might have seemed a little bit unlikely, but if someone is not familiar with the military, not familiar with war, or rules of engagement, or chain of command, and the myriad of other things that you learn over a career in the military, then people might believe some of these things. And even people that were
2:03 Jocko Willink? in the military sort of spent time in the military, and so some of the vocabulary seemed familiar.
2:12 Jocko Willink? Some of the things they said seemed like, oh, it seemed like could be possible. And some, so that could lead people to believe some of these things. Well, one of these things was a supposed letter. That was allegedly written by a marine officer from three Marines. Now, like I said, for a normal person, this letter might seem credible. It uses some jargon, military jargon. It discusses places and, and events that took place in Ramadi.
2:44 Jocko Willink? But for anyone with just a little bit of knowledge or a little bit of curiosity. It doesn't make any sense.
2:53 Jocko Willink? And it's obviously just fabricated. So according to this letter, then I'm not going to go through every detail of this letter. But the, this letter tells the story of how the Marines arrived in Ramadi. And once they got to Ramadi, and this is in March of 2006, they got to Ramadi. And they established good working relationships with the local civilian leaders. And that's the sheiks and they were working to gain their trust and cooperation.
3:26 Jocko Willink? And so, and it sounded like, oh, so everything got off to a great start. And, um, look, everyone was interacting with the local populace. I've talked about that a bunch. But the idea that things were going really well in early 2006 is just not true.
3:41 Jocko Willink? The Al Anbar People's Council was a little tribal assembly that had been put together in late 2005. And 2006, early 2006, and it failed. And, and one of the reasons, in fact, I'll say the reason that it failed was because. I think eight of the tribal leaders, maybe it was six, maybe it was eight of the tribal leaders were assassinated, murdered.
4:05 Jocko Willink? And it destroyed that idea and sent fear through the populace. So this is all happening in early 2006, the glass factory, which we had Braxton on here talking about his book about the glass factory. That attack happened January 6, 2006. Most of the sheiks at this time had actually gone into hiding or they'd fled Ramadi. So, so relations were not good early in 2006. The city's a complete war zone. And this, again, this letter sort of paints this picture that then the SEALs from Task Unit Bruiser showed up totally unprofessional, consistently breaking ROEs and standard operating procedures. Uh, it talks about SEALs killing an elderly man doing yard
4:46 Jocko Willink? work and that the Marines were then told to be ready for a local retaliation.
4:54 Jocko Willink? And then the direct fire and indirect fire, and this is a quote, "direct fire and indirect fire saw a surge and the intel reporting on our wounded in action, killed in action confirmed this. A third Marine and third platoon was shot in the head."
5:08 Jocko Willink? So you get the idea. So everything's kind of okay. This is the picture that's getting painted. Everything's kind of okay. And then the SEALs show up totally out of control and now there's retaliation. And the letter goes on to say that, uh, quote, "The local sheiks refused to meet with us. They confirmed this, this was a response retaliation for the killing of an innocent elderly man. Task Unit Bruiser with their signature Punisher patches was causing the mayhem.
5:39 Jocko Willink? Gut shooting women from their firing position of the hospital killing unarmed Iraqis and not cooperating with US forces on the ground to de-conflict the battlespace." Again, go listen to podcast 434, go listen to podcast 385. I explain in great detail, I would say three, four, five hours worth of detail, why these claims are just, they're, they're unbelievable. They're, they're not believable. Um, again, decon, not de-conflicting with friendly units meant death. And believe me, we knew that very well because we had a significant blue on blue.
6:18 Jocko Willink? Very early in deployment. Not, so if you're not going to cooperate with the battlespace owners, it's suicide. You're going to die.
6:27 Jocko Willink? And if you kill unarmed civilians, that's going to be the last operation you do, and you're going to get detained and you're going to be put on trial. That's what's happening. So, listen to Podcast 385 and 434. I've explained the ROE, the conditions on the ground, the scrutiny we were under, and you can hear that there. This letter then goes on to say, and here's a quote, "It was obvious that they were not only directed to act in the manner which they did, but were also protected by their leadership, because the combined leadership of 38, that's the 38 Marines, and other local units were reporting Bruiser's wild and wanton acts of violence
7:11 Jocko Willink? to their own chain of command as they were resulting in Marines getting killed in retribution attacks. But our reports fell on deaf ears." End quote.
7:25 Jocko Willink? Again, this is just patently wrong. Any, any reports like this of us behaving in this manner, we would have been stopped immediately. We wouldn't have done any more operations, investigations would have been launched, I would have been arrested.
7:48 Jocko Willink? Just, and this is what the claim is here. Just imagine this, that all the Marine leadership is being told that war crimes are being committed, and Marines, their Marines are getting killed as a result of it, but no one's going to listen to that. And the Army, same thing. That's the claim here. It's, it's, it's an absurd claim. And especially in the wake of Abu Ghraib, in the wake of Haditha, which again, these are things I've talked about. And now you're going to say, no one's listening, no one's paying attention, when Marines and soldiers are getting killed because of this behavior. It's just, it's just absolutely false. That's all it is. So, so this letter, that's what this letter does.
8:31 Jocko Willink? It tells this whole narrative of Task Unit Bruiser, my task unit, being out of control, unprofessional, killing civilians, which then riles up the local populace, who then attacks, and this directly results in 36 Marines being killed. And to sum up this narrative, From this supposed officer in 38 Marines, it says this quote, "We lost 36 Marines. The vast majority of those losses were only in the middle months of deployment when Task Unit Bruiser was present," end quote.
9:13 Jocko Willink? That's just horrific to hear, here. And it's just completely and utterly untrue. And anyone that was there, or anyone that does five minutes of research, knows that it's a lie. Here's the truth. 38 Marines, an outstanding unit, assigned to one of the worst sectors in Ramadi, who fought a determined enemy valiantly and suffered greatly and took significant casualties, but they did not lose 36 Marines. Tragically, during their deployment, they lost 17 Marines.
9:58 Jocko Willink? And that includes one of their Navy corpsmen, one of their docs. Six of those Marines, including their doc, one of their docs, six of them were killed between March 31st and April 6th, during what the 38 Marines call their hell week in Ramadi. And that was before Task Unit Bruiser even arrived in Ramadi. So, the highest concentration of Marines killed in Ramadi took place before Task Unit Bruiser even arrived in Ramadi.
10:36 Jocko Willink? One more Marine, Lance Corporal Justin Sims, was killed April 15th, just after we arrived. The other 10 Marines that were killed from 38 were killed between May and August, during the heaviest fighting of the battle, as the entire Brigade Combat Team, including the 38, of course, fought aggressively to seize ground inside the city. And we supported several of those operations with 38, and killed enemy fighters as they maneuvered to kill Marines from 38. So this narrative that Task Unit Bruiser caused Marines to die is a sickening lie.
11:24 Jocko Willink? One Marine,
11:28 Jocko Willink? Corporal Joseph Tomsey, who was a badass Marine in Lima Company, working out a snake pit. He's from Stowe, Ohio.
11:38 Jocko Willink? He's a guy that, as a matter of fact, we loaned him a couple of suppressed MP5s. So silenced MP5s, because when they were on patrol, he had to deal with dogs. And so he needed a way to deal with dogs that were making noise, biting, attacking, causing problems. So we loaned him a couple suppressed MP5s. Because we were working together as a team.
12:05 Jocko Willink? And he was killed on August 2nd.
12:09 Jocko Willink? Same day as Mark Lee.
12:13 Jocko Willink? And they left together on the same angel flight.
12:19 Jocko Willink? As we SEALs and Marines together stood side by side on the tarmac, just as we did on the battlefield.
12:33 Jocko Willink? And salute them with a final farewell. That's the reality.
12:40 Jocko Willink? And, and, and yet this, this just fabricated letter, which could easily be researched and proven wrong, was, is just presented as a fact.
12:53 Jocko Willink? And even made into
12:56 Jocko Willink? a clickbait title for one of the pieces of media.
13:03 Jocko Willink? Of being one, the title being "One Shot From TU Bruiser Resulted In 36 Marines Dead."
13:13 Jocko Willink? That's disgusting.
13:17 Jocko Willink? And it's an insult, an insult to the Marines who were killed, who fought.
13:22 Jocko Willink? Obviously an insult to Task Unit Bruiser. It's an insult to everyone that was there, working together and risking our lives for each other.
13:32 Jocko Willink? And to accomplish the mission.
13:37 Jocko Willink? And it's an insult to those men who are not here, calling them murderers and calling them war criminals. It's despicable.
13:47 Jocko Willink? And people propagating this lie without researching at all, without doing the simplest fact check and just putting on your platform, it's shameful.
14:02 Jocko Willink? We were a team.
14:05 Jocko Willink? We risked our lives for the Army. We risked our lives for the Marine Corps. They risked their lives for us as well.
14:15 Jocko Willink? And we'll never forget that. And we won't forget the bond that we formed on the battlefield. Now, does this mean that every person from every unit in Ramadi had great relationships? That there wasn't some friction between some people and between some units? Of course not. There were Marines that don't like the Army. There were Army soldiers that don't like Marines. There's Marines that don't like Spec Ops or SEALs. There's Army guys that don't like Spec Ops or SEALs.
14:41 Jocko Willink? There's no doubt about it. There's feathers that got ruffled.
14:47 Jocko Willink? There was some friction, but that friction was definitely a minority.
14:53 Jocko Willink? A little tiny minority.
14:57 Jocko Willink? It was completely, there was a minority that was so small, such a fraction, that it was just overwhelmed by the unity that existed and the common cause.
15:11 Jocko Willink? But that wasn't all the wild claims and accusations. There are just vile accusations of Task Unit Bruiser snipers killing women and children.
15:27 Jocko Willink? Disgusting. And again, go listen to the ROEs when we talk about them and what the conditions on the ground were in Podcast 385 with Leif Babin, who was there on the ground, in Task Unit Bruiser, or in Podcast 434 with Dave Burke, who was there on the ground with the Marine Corps.
15:49 Jocko Willink? If you listen to those, you realize, again, that killing women and children could not have happened.
15:58 Jocko Willink? We had relationships with the interim government there. The tribal leaders that were remaining, that were engaged with their people, that were reporting grievances to the coalition leadership, which is, by the way, the battalion and brigade commanders right there in Ramadi, who we were working for.
16:16 Jocko Willink? And we had Iraqi soldiers with us on every operation, and Iraqi soldiers out patrolling the streets, and interpreters.
16:25 Jocko Willink? It can't have, it could not have happened.
16:30 Jocko Willink? I read an article on Podcast 434. It's about one civilian that was killed in Ramadi, and the repercussions that it caused, including manslaughter charges on American, on American soldier.
16:48 Jocko Willink? And yet, this, this, just this claim that, rolling off the tongue, "Oh, everyone knows they were killing civilians," it's disgusting.
16:58 Jocko Willink? And as I, as I heard this, this is the thing with rumors.
17:03 Jocko Willink? People like to be in the know.
17:07 Jocko Willink? They like to, they like to be in the know. So they claim, or they comment that they heard that too.
17:15 Jocko Willink? Or they, they had an uncle in the army that said the same thing, or had an older brother in the Marine who was there, and he said the same thing, or "my best friend was a SEAL, and he said..."
17:27 Jocko Willink? They want to prove that they're in the know.
17:31 Jocko Willink? But what's interesting here is that anyone who's, who is actually in the know, knows that this was impossible.
17:41 Jocko Willink? It was impossible.
17:46 Jocko Willink? But that's what this, uh, despicable video claims. And, just to continue on,
17:57 Jocko Willink? these videos also present this bizarre idea that Task Unit Bruiser and I were a bunch of cowboys out there doing absolutely whatever we wanted to do. Now, just, just cowboys on the loose. Jaco turned them loose.
18:15 Jocko Willink? This doesn't make any sense. As I mentioned in Podcast 434, absolutely everything we did had to be approved through the entire chain of command. And not just one chain of command, but the special operations chain of command, the conventional forces chain of command, they're on the ground, and the Iraqi forces.
18:40 Jocko Willink? So, again, if you don't understand this, I can see how maybe you think, "Oh, Jaco would just be out there doing whatever he wants." We could not conduct a single operation in conventional battle space without their approval. And they own the entire battle space. We did not own one iota of ground in Ramadi. We didn't own anything. We had to get their approvals.
19:09 Jocko Willink? The brigade commander, the battalion commanders, the company commanders, the platoon commanders.
19:16 Jocko Willink? That means the 38 Marines. Everything that we did with the 38 Marines was absolutely approved by the 38 Marines. We couldn't do anything without them. And by the way, they gave us guidance. "Don't go over here on this road. Stay over here on this area. Watch out for this building."
19:33 Jocko Willink? We had to get approval from them, from the 137, from the 136, from the 1st of 506, from the 135, from the 16. They were our quick reaction forces. They were our fire support.
19:46 Jocko Willink? We couldn't conduct operations without them.
19:52 Jocko Willink? And we were under extreme scrutiny, as I've explained. We were killing a lot of enemy.
20:01 Jocko Willink? We had guys getting wounded. We had the blue on blue take place. Everyone was watching our every move.
20:14 Jocko Willink? And it's because we were in combat like no one in the SEAL teams had been in a long time, this kind of sustained urban combat. So the chain of command watched and checked and investigated.
20:33 Jocko Willink? And approved. So this idea that I was a cowboy, just out there doing whatever I wanted, and that task unit bruiser was let loose by me to go and do whatever they wanted, is just, it's just an ignorant thought. It's not possible.
20:51 Jocko Willink? And not only did we have to get every operation approved through multiple chains of command, we got visited.
21:01 Jocko Willink? We got visited by
21:04 Jocko Willink? the special operations community. We got visited, my commanding officer, who was over in Fallujah, would come out and listen to brief and go out on operations. So he understood the ground truth of what was happening.
21:17 Jocko Willink? The Siege Sotif commander, in charge of all the special operations in Iraq, came and met with me and got briefed by me and then went and met with the conventional commanders and got a brief on what we were doing and how we were doing it and why we were doing it.
21:37 Jocko Willink? And the Commodore in charge of all West Coast SEALs, who'd been in a JSOC command, who was my boss's boss, he came out to see exactly what we were doing and how we were doing it and why we were doing it.
21:53 Jocko Willink? And he approved. And the Siege Sotif commander approved. And my commanding officer approved. And even the commander, the commander of the entire special operations command, commander of all special operations in the United States, General Brown, the four-star general in charge of all United States Special Operations Forces, he came to Ramadi to meet with my task unit, to get a situation brief from me,
22:23 Jocko Willink? to then go and talk to the conventional commanders that we were working alongside.
22:31 Jocko Willink? To get their perspective on what we were doing and why we were doing it.
22:35 Jocko Willink? And he understood exactly what we were doing in great detail. And he understood how we were doing it and why we were doing it. The overwatches, the daytime patrols, the conventional Iraqi troops we were working alongside, the large-scale clearance operations through the, through the city.
22:55 Jocko Willink? He understood exactly what we were doing and why we were doing it.
23:01 Jocko Willink? And it just so happened that he was there in Ramadi, the day Mark Lee was killed.
23:13 Jocko Willink? And he stood at attention and saluted alongside the soldiers and Marines and SEALs as we loaded Mark Lee and Joe Tomsey on their last flight home.
23:30 Jocko Willink? So he absolutely knew the risk and he absolutely knew the cost.
23:41 Jocko Willink? And from all that, he understood exactly what we were doing.
23:47 Jocko Willink? And he approved it because he knew we were doing the right thing. They all did. I did.
23:54 Jocko Willink? My task unit did.
23:57 Jocko Willink? Anyone that understood the dynamics on the ground, the losses American forces were taking, the impact we were having, the Americans we were keeping alive, the gratefulness and gratitude of the Army and Marine Corps, anyone that understood that, supported us and what we're doing implicitly.
24:21 Jocko Willink? We're frogmen.
24:24 Jocko Willink? We're SEALs.
24:27 Jocko Willink? And our fellow Americans are out there fighting and dying on the battlefield. We stood up and fought with them.
24:39 Jocko Willink? And as I explained on Podcast 434, we achieved victory on that battlefield.
24:48 Jocko Willink? And the Battle of Ramadi became the model of counterinsurgency for the war in Iraq.
25:01 Jocko Willink? And after we came home,
25:04 Jocko Willink? I took over the training for the West Coast SEAL teams so I could pass on the lessons learned. And that's what I did.
25:14 Jocko Willink? I carried on with my career and it's interesting, these videos,
25:21 Jocko Willink? there's some of them saying that my career was a big disaster and I had a bad reputation and I got kicked out of the teams or pushed out of the teams. Again, this is just ridiculous.
25:35 Jocko Willink? I had a great
25:38 Jocko Willink? career in the Navy and in the teams. I was blessed with what I got to do. And
25:47 Jocko Willink? my reputation and my performance in the teams is all in my record and the trajectory of my career. It's it's all reflected there. And there's this, there's this also this mention
26:03 Jocko Willink? in one of these videos about my involvement in an investigation of a contracting issue. And this happened. There was an investigation, not just to me, but of a whole slew of people. And I can tell you what happened. There was a there was a system of martial arts
26:21 Jocko Willink? that was part of our training pipeline for a few years. And it wasn't that effective for what we actually needed, especially once the war started. And I didn't think so, and the vast majority of SEALs didn't think so either. And that's the feedback that we got. And I was in charge of the West Coast training. So we took the consolidated input from all the teams.
26:49 Jocko Willink? And look, we did this with all of our training all the time.
26:53 Jocko Willink? Oh, what's good, what's working, what's not working? And in the midst of all these training assessments that we did, we decided that this block of training was ineffective and we should replace it with something more like the modern Army Combatives or the Marine Corps McMac, just something sort of more modern.
27:14 Jocko Willink? I actually thought it should be taught by SEALs, not by civilians. I didn't think you need to bring someone in. We have plenty of SEALs that are really good at combatives. And I thought they could teach it. And, you know, look, this wasn't just me, this was the consolidation of all the input
27:32 Jocko Willink? from the guys in training, the guys that were running training. So that's we briefed up the chain of command and that contract got removed. No factor, I didn't think, didn't even think about it. These things happen. Well, the guy who lost the contract was mad about this. He thought it was some kind of conspiracy against him. It wasn't.
27:51 Jocko Willink? It just the training, we wanted new training.
27:55 Jocko Willink? But he filed a complaint to Congressman Duncan Hunter Jr. And they launched a congressional investigation. Now, I owned my gym at the time. And yeah, one of the investors and partners at the gym was arrested in New York in 1979 for drug dealing and he went to jail.
28:19 Jocko Willink? And when he got out of jail, he never wanted to go back.
28:25 Jocko Willink? So he left that world, literally. And he moved from New York to California and he was reborn and he worked and he turned himself into an entrepreneur and he became a successful businessman, running health clubs and real estate and a bunch of other ventures. And he was one of the partners at the gym.
28:41 Jocko Willink? But my gym had nothing to do with these military contracts, nor did I. In fact, no one that got investigated did anything wrong and the investigators found nothing. No contracting, ethics violations by me or anyone else involved. We just wanted better training for the guys that are going on deployment.
29:00 Jocko Willink? And I never had any contracts or I never even applied for any military or government contracts with the Navy or any other special operations unit and my gym hasn't either.
29:12 Jocko Willink? And up to this day, everything that I do for the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, Special Operations and the SEAL Teams, I do for free.
29:27 Jocko Willink? So I was not kicked out or pushed out of the Navy for that or anything else. And if you want to dig around and you want to find some dirt on me, go read my books. Go read my books. The mistakes are in there. I've made them.
29:45 Jocko Willink? They're in there.
29:48 Jocko Willink? And if you want to track that, go track it.
29:53 Jocko Willink? But despite my mistakes, despite my shortfalls, because of extreme ownership, my career was absolutely on track. And I had been deep selected for promotion and I'd actually screened positive on first look for my next position as executive officer. And that's when I made one of the hardest decisions of my life. I decided to retire.
30:16 Jocko Willink? I decided to retire after 20 years to be with my family.
30:20 Jocko Willink? And get to know my wife and kids after I'd dedicated 20 years to war and to the teams.
30:30 Jocko Willink? And that's what I did.
30:33 Jocko Willink? And when I retired, guess what? I started doing some other things. I started teaching leadership. I wrote books, recorded podcasts, wrote books and recorded podcasts that taught lessons that we learned. And shared the stories of our fallen brothers.
30:52 Jocko Willink? Our fallen brothers from Task Unit Bruiser.
30:56 Jocko Willink? Our fallen brothers from the teams and not just the teams, but soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines throughout history and to the present day.
31:06 Jocko Willink? I share their stories.
31:10 Jocko Willink? And I started companies.
31:14 Jocko Willink? I started companies.
31:17 Jocko Willink? Companies that, companies that honor the memory of my brothers and teach the lessons of leadership. Companies that, companies that make people smarter and better and faster and stronger. Companies that provide hundreds of jobs and bring much-needed manufacturing capabilities back to America.
31:37 Jocko Willink? Yeah.
31:39 Jocko Willink? Yeah, I've been getting after it.
31:42 Jocko Willink? And I, I know.
31:45 Jocko Willink? I know that Mark and Mikey and Ryan and Chris and Seth, they would want me to get after it. They would want me to drive on. They would want me to continue to build and grow and live.
32:04 Jocko Willink? And how do I know that? Because I would want them to do the same. And also because their families tell me that.
32:18 Jocko Willink? And those guys,
32:21 Jocko Willink? the guys we lost,
32:27 Jocko Willink? they would want me to make sure
32:31 Jocko Willink? that I did not squander
32:34 Jocko Willink? any of this gift that they gave me. The gift that they gave to all of us.
32:41 Jocko Willink? Life, liberty,
32:47 Jocko Willink? and the pursuit of happiness.
32:57 Jocko Willink? So I recommend everyone do that.
33:04 Jocko Willink? Live, live well.
33:09 Jocko Willink? Try to get better.
33:12 Jocko Willink? Try to be better.
33:15 Jocko Willink? Be cautious about what you say and what you hear. Be careful who you listen to. Be careful what you repeat.
33:26 Jocko Willink? And if you have a platform, and we all have a platform now with social media, don't put out information, especially information accusing people of things that you don't verify.
33:41 Jocko Willink? What good are you doing when you do that?
33:45 Jocko Willink? Doesn't help. It's not gonna help you, it's not gonna help anyone else. Don't traffic in rumors and innuendos. They won't help you, they'll hurt you. If you're wrong, admit it.
33:58 Jocko Willink? Take ownership.
34:01 Jocko Willink? Correct your mistake and just...
34:06 Jocko Willink? Let's do good.
34:10 Jocko Willink? Do the right thing for the right reason.
34:16 Jocko Willink? Live a good life, be a good person, and I'll do the same, or at least... I'll try.
34:27 Jocko Willink? I'll try every day to live in a way that would make my fallen brothers proud.
34:37 Jocko Willink? It's the least I can do, it's the least we can do.
34:49 Jocko Willink? And that's all I've gotta say about this.
34:54 Jocko Willink? Other than, of course,
34:59 Jocko Willink? thank you to all the heroic soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines that fought side by side with us in the bloody Battle of Ramadi.
35:18 Jocko Willink? Then I can tell you how I feel. I can tell you how all of Task Unit Bruiser feels.
35:28 Jocko Willink? But I can't say it any better than Shakespeare did.
35:34 Jocko Willink? And Henry V.
35:38 Jocko Willink? "We few.
35:41 Jocko Willink? We happy few.
35:44 Jocko Willink? We band of brothers.
35:47 Jocko Willink? For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother."
36:00 Jocko Willink? "We will never forget those we served alongside.
36:05 Jocko Willink? And we will never forget those that did not come home.
36:12 Jocko Willink? And we will live to honor them."
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