Singer* DLS Drive; Volvo EX30 Review; Wesley Snipes; Q&A

Matt Farah finds out if the Singer DLS is as perfect as they say; he and Zack Klapman trade opinions on the Volvo EX30 they drove; a "Demolition Man" prop slips through fingers; and Patreon questions include: Why aren't there more Lotus engines? Maserati Gran Turismo vs Aston V8 Vantage Mansory's model lineup is INSANE Will high gas prices = higher EV sales? How to pick your enthusiast sports car What news cars should be more "raw"? Why the WRX lost its popularity How to drift a car for camera JSX vs airlines And more! Recorded March 25, 2026 DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Support the Right to Repair law https://www.autocare.org/government-relations/current-issues/access-to-and-control-of-vehicle-data Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Want your question answered? To listen to the episode the day it's recorded? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST #cars #comedy #podcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman *The Porsche 911 Restored and Reimagined by Singer as the DLS

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, Matt Farah here. Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here because they are looking out for you everywhere in the country. Look, if you get a moving violation, big, small, or in between, don't plead guilty. Get off the record. They will fight that ticket all the way up if they need to to the Supreme Court, I'm telling you. No, for real though, they will connect you with a qualified attorney in almost any jurisdiction in the United States. Those folks will fight these tickets and I gotta tell you, the vast majority of the

• 0:38Matt Farah?

  time, they win. It's relatively affordable and if you use code T S T, offtherecord.com/tst, you get 10% off all legal services from Off the Record. Don't plead guilty. Get off the record. They can only help. OfftheRecord.com/tst. Alright folks, on this episode of the podcast, we review the Volvo EX30 and the Singer DLS. Oh wait, no, I can't say that. It's the Porsche 964 reimagined by Singer as part of the Dynamics and Lightweight and Study Commission. Did I get that right? Please don't sue me. Also, I don't buy Wesley Snipes's gun. It's the Smoking Tire

• 1:21Matt Farah?

  Podcast. Let's go. I don't believe you.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a little sleepy, but we're technically alive.

• 1:30Matt Farah?

  Did you get the new COVID?

• 1:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:32Matt Farah?

  New hot shit.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 1:34Matt Farah?

  New, no.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:35Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I wonder if Sarah did because I just, I saw a story yesterday. There's like new hot COVID coming in.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  There's always like new varieties of virus, right?

• 1:45Matt Farah?

  But like you guys, you guys got like COVID, like the last time we went boating.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  That, yeah, we did.

• 1:52Matt Farah?

  You got COVID 1.0.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  1.0 beta. That was a lot worse.

• 1:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was like a, your COVID was like a Cybertruck Foundation series.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  It was pretty bad.

• 2:00Matt Farah?

  It was no good. But alright, I'm glad you, I'm glad you're just sleepy and not full of COVID.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  No, I should've slept for a while.

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  I hope it was because you were working for me. No.

• 2:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, a lot to talk about on this show. I drove a Singer DLS, that's worth talking about. But, but, but first, but first.

• 2:26Matt Farah?

  I almost recklessly spent money this morning. I attempted to recklessly spend money this morning. But it didn't go well. But my sensibilities kicked in, Klapman. That's what happened. I had, I'm on a text thread with some of my friends from back east. And I was like, to them this morning, I was like, alright guys, this is gonna sound elitist and douchey. But you're my friends, so I can say this to you.

• 2:55Matt Farah?

  What is an appropriate amount of money to spend on Wesley Snipes' gun from Demolition Man to hang in my bathroom? Like, what, where do you draw the line of this is too silly and you should not spend the money? And this is, you know, a funny thing? That's awesome and like, worth having. Do you have a photo of the gun?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  I gotta find it.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  It's, it's his, it's his future gun. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep, that.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Oh, the magnetic accelerator.

• 3:32Matt Farah?

  It's, it's the only gun in the movie that's really, like, crucial to the plot. It's like the future gun that, yeah.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Cause all the other ones are just normal firearms.

• 3:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so on top of this, on top of it being a crucial prop to the plot of the movie, it's also based on a heckler and cock prototype of a gun that was never made. So it's actually got some sort of double history. And I don't, you know, like, you know me, like, I don't like collect guns. Like, if this wasn't the devil, I didn't give a, so, so anyway, what, what do you think? You know, you know me and you know, you know, what, what is, what is an appropriate amount of money to spend on something so silly?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Prototype, do I, uh, why don't I know how much you spent on the printer thing? Can I have that for context?

• 4:22Matt Farah?

  I didn't buy the printer thing.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Oh, you didn't?

• 4:24Matt Farah?

  I didn't win.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Oh, wait, which, what do you have?

• 4:26Matt Farah?

  You mean the dead, the, the, the thing that printed out the, the fines? No, I, I, I was gonna bid up to like four or five thousand dollars for that. I thought that, I thought that was silly.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  It fucking is, bro.

• 4:38Matt Farah?

  It was, but it went for sixteen.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Jesus, uh, but all those numbers are higher than I expected.

• 4:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I asked my friends back east.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Which, what, some of your friends?

• 4:48Matt Farah?

  No, no, these, this isn't, I do have some rich friends back east, but those friends are not on this text message. The, my friends on this text message are regular fucking working stiffs. And they do alright, but they're like regular people. One of them said two hundred grand. I was like, I was like, what are you fucking nuts? I was like, I was thinking five. And he was like, oh, spend away.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  He was like, I had to buy something dumber than that to put in my living room that, you know, no, you know, so whatever. I mean, like, once you become a homeowner, you start buying weird shit for your house. And everything is really expensive. But like, okay, I-

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Five for, you know, and, and because of the, the printer for context, that helps me. I think this is, has more value than the printer, but, um...

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Well, the printer, the, the printer would have been funny-

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Eight hundred dollars.

• 5:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, no, I, that's, I, so kinda what I thought. I thought, I would get this for like two grand, you know, but like, and I was gonna turn it, then turn it into the toilet paper dispenser, which I thought is hilarious.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good idea.

• 5:48Matt Farah?

  No, definitely that didn't happen, so.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Alright, so five.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I told Hannah I would be in up to four, right?

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:58Matt Farah?

  The pre-auction estimate was like a fifteen hundred to twenty-five hundred.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  But you know, I'm sure this went for like two hundred, cause it's big. It's a gun, and there's people out there, you know, that have a lot more disposable income.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  It didn't go over two hundred.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  And you can, and you can stand it upright and light it and put it in your fourth foyer or some shit.

• 6:19Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Six figures?

• 6:21Matt Farah?

  No, no, no. But after telling Hannah that my highest bid was gonna be four, my actual highest bid was nine.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  And then it sold for fifteen plus buyer's premium, so it was really like seventeen five out the door.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  People, people were as excited, I'm actually maybe encouraged by society, they were as excited about this as they were about the printer, they sold for the same money.

• 6:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  That's bananas to me.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  There was some other great stuff in this auction too, it was a big prop master was retiring and like selling off his collection, there was some wild shit in there dude, the fucking Wilson volleyball from Castaway went for like a hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  How many, I'm sure they had more than one on set.

• 7:08Matt Farah?

  Twelve, there was twelve balls, there were twelve Wilsons.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Good lord, people need to pay higher taxes.

• 7:12Matt Farah?

  No, but there's like, yeah, of cour- of course, of course, but like there's, you know, like, look, if you're gonna go buy, have you ever tried to buy like art, art?

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Once.

• 7:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, probably not, but like.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Why not, once?

• 7:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and, and you look at something and you go, this is nice, how much is this? And they go, it's thirty-five thousand dollars, and you go, I'm sorry, what the fuck? This is by somebody that I haven't heard of, and you go, well, I haven't, you haven't heard of them yet.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:41Matt Farah?

  And you go, eat a fucking dick, for, if, and look, this is funny money for the vast majority of people, I don't have thirty-five thousand dollar art on my walls, but I've been in those stores before, where I go, oh, this looks nice, how much is this? And they go, it's twenty-seven thousand dollars, and you go, fuck right off, I expect you to just save five hundred bucks.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:01Matt Farah?

  And like, I'm not trying to insult artists, I know it takes materials and time and creativity, like, okay, and if you can get it, god fucking bless, but for my, whatever equivalent dollar, yo, that's Wesley Snipes' gun from Demolition Man, that's, that's a better, more fun thing to have in my house.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  I agree with that completely, um, there's also an auction coming up, man, it's a little cheaper, something more affordable for you perhaps?

• 8:26Matt Farah?

  The Stallone pre-pro photo.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  It's a hundred dollars?

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  I'll tell you what.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  We can put you on a payment plan?

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  You know what I wish I bought instead that was like ten lots before mine in the auction? The uh, uh, one of the five Back to the Future 2, "You're Fired" faxes.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:45Matt Farah?

  Went for like thirty-two hundred bucks. And I mean, still, you're talking about an eight and a half by eleven piece of paper that appeared in a movie. But iconic scene.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 8:55Matt Farah?

  Iconic film. It fits in a small frame on your wall, you know, and that's a, that's a pretty cool conversation piece for the vast majority of people between the ages of thirty-five and fifty.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  I feel like we could find, what are these printers called again?

• 9:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, I could get a replica on Etsy for twenty bucks, but that's not, that's not.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  No, but you need the printer.

• 9:17Matt Farah?

  The same thing. I don't actually want the, oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, I, if you could get it like that, like hanging out of that printer, that could be kind of fun. You know?

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  But.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  First machine back, yeah.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  But other than that, I mean, you kind of, you got the real, it's gotta be the real shit.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Well, the real thing's a story, like, so it depends on what, yeah, of course.

• 9:38Matt Farah?

  I like, I like, I like real things. I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to get.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  True, you don't like replica cars.

• 9:43Matt Farah?

  I don't like replicas of, of stuff, and I know I have that relic fake aged McCready, we talked about that, my guitar, like, okay, I'm not a perfect fucking consistent person, but like in general, if you can have the real thing, I wouldn't fill my bathroom.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  The real McCready guitar would.

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  It's his.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Right. So there's no price on it.

• 10:03Matt Farah?

  That's, that's not happening.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:06Matt Farah?

  But in general, I like the real stuff.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but, but anyway, man, if you were not even like insanely rich, but kind of rich, and just wanted to fill your house with some awesome stuff, that auction was fucking chock full of shit.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 10:23Matt Farah?

  Fucking, uh, Quince, like harpoon gun from Jaws, like, pretty like, there was a hover, there was a hoverboard. Uh, there are actually two hoverboards. One was screen used and one was a promotional used. There was like a bunch, the hoverboards were like, you know, a hundred.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Dude, if you're a prop master.

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  They really were like a hundred thousand dollars.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  That's a good ROI as a prop master. Like, you've got this thing, you made it for whatever, you got paid to make it.

• 10:44Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  And then you sit on it for forty years and then sell it for a hundred times what it cost to make.

• 10:50Matt Farah?

  If the movie's good, uh, yeah. And they were saying apparently, you know, some movies. They were making them like fast and they had to like destroy a lot of the props to like just clear out the storage room for the next movie that was coming in. And so they just like burned half of it. So like, there was a few movies and I forget the exact list, but like where just stuff from them is incredibly rare because they like just literally burned all of the props when they were done shooting. Yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Damn dude.

• 11:18Matt Farah?

  It was neat.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  I wanna see.

• 11:20Matt Farah?

  So.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Okay. Oh, nevermind.

• 11:23Matt Farah?

  Oh. Uh, but, uh, so, and also, uh, you know, last show, we talked about this thing with the, was it last show? We talked about the, the, the thread from Renlist. Was that last show? Was that two shows ago?

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:37Matt Farah?

  All right, well, our friend Rob Dietz, Wob, who was sort of dragged into this as part of a dealer, he responded to the thread. He said it, he said it to me to read. And it, it really made me think that we, we maybe jumped the gun by

• 11:57Matt Farah?

  talking about it on the show and spreading that it existed because although he didn't, he, Rob Dietz, uh, who was Wob, wasn't able to literally debunk every single point in it, he was able to debunk enough of it that it made me question the rest of it. And question the rest of it like to the point of like being like, mm, I feel a little guilty that we talked about that without maybe following up on some sources ourself first. Like, I feel like, I feel like we lent a lot of, a lot of like potentially undue credence to the thing, to the idea that what was in it was fact. And, um,

• 12:41Matt Farah?

  some, a, some of it could be fact, but like a whole bunch of it is not. And in fact, what, in a, in a sort of hilarious example, um, one of the accounts that's accused of being a car dealer that's buying these cars is literally the guy who bought my NSX, who I know personally is an individual. Like who is friends with not just, uh,

• 13:05Matt Farah?

  Rob, uh, Rob Dietz also because he, it was funny because he bought my NSX and he bought a car from, from Rob. And we put them on the same truck together. We coordinated shipping to this guy. And that guy's also friends with Rob Ferretti because Rob Ferretti sent me a text from this dude. With like a photo like, hey, man, look, I bought Matt's NSX. So like, it's like, it's a guy. It's not a dealer. It's like a fucking dude. So like. Uh, you know, I, I can personally prove that one of these people actually is the user that bought my car and isn't a dealer like. So he posted a very lengthy and detailed response to this thread. And, and, and I'm not saying that, that nothing in it is true. And I'm not saying, I'm certainly not saying that everything in it is true.

• 13:51Matt Farah?

  But I, I think maybe before we talked about it, we should have probably followed up a little bit better. I think that's kind of my bad.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we talked in the car, like if we're writing an article, you have a longer, more time between story breaks and you publish story.

• 14:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  So you, you would be almost required like by the magazine to go check a bunch of sources. And with this stuff, it's like the story pops up four hours before we record and we kind of, and we and a lot of other people. Who are not news networks, and this is the benefit of news networks is they have these like journalistic requirements. Is we're like, oh, we're talking about this thing and like, we'll see how it develops.

• 14:23Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  There's a lot of content in like, let's report on it as it develops, but uh, it does leave the story a bit one sided until.

• 14:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Rob reaches out.

• 14:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So it, it, it seems like not a hundred percent debunked, but like pretty substantially debunked. Debunked enough to know that I, we probably shouldn't be treating it as fact. Or certainly not as like really hard evidence of a direct.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Well, I think the, the OP would have to come back with more evidence because like he referenced, he made an app in his original post that was like.

• 14:59Matt Farah?

  Basically what, what Rob says, just to summarize some of the things like the AI or the app or whatever they did. It got a lot of the orders of ownership wrong. It got a lot of the end users wrong. And if you just look at the Carfax's of those specific VINS, you can see that a lot of those VINS do end up at end users. And are not like still in these dealer inventory like you're implying. And like, if you, some of the things got the order of ownership wrong and so like, there was an owner here and then it went to a dealer and then to another owner like it,

• 15:39Matt Farah?

  it's, it was just like, not, it's, and, and, and, and look, again, I didn't personally go through every Carfax that Rob put in, in his response. He put a very thorough response, you can go read it or not. Um, but it, it, it casts enough doubt, in a, in a way, the, the two, the two ones that I did look into, he put links to the fucking things, the two I looked into, did back up his version of the events. So, um, you know, I, I would say that it's substantially debunked, if not totally.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Wow, okay.

• 16:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So anyway, that's like, I felt like it was important to like,

• 16:23Speaker 01

  I think it's very important, yeah.

• 16:24Matt Farah?

  With that, I, we can't go back and change a previous episode so much. Um, although we could put a little thing in the podcast and in the notes, I suppose, or the comments on YouTube, but, but at least we can, as we find out, some updated information, you know? Um, should we talk about the, the Volvo EX30 before we, before we go to the Singer DLS? Yeah, tease that shit, dude, don't, uh, put the fucking good shit in the back. Guys, taking a break because support is coming in hot from Delete Me. You guys know about Delete Me because I've been talking about it for a while, because I've been using it for a while. They make it easy, quick, and safe to remove your personal data online

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• 19:15Speaker 01

  Let me get some pictures.

• 19:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, EX30. I gotta go take some pictures of this thing before it goes back, but there it is. The EX30, dead car rolling.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  What's funny is that they were gonna bring a single motor car here, they canceled that, and brought this here, and then they canceled this.

• 19:32Matt Farah?

  Yes. So, Zach, you've been driving it for two days. I drove it for three days before that. Do you have some thoughts?

• 19:39Speaker 01

  I have notes.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  There they are.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Let's see. Overall, I like it.

• 19:48Matt Farah?

  You do like it.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  I do like it. There are imperfections, absolutely, and we will get to those. But, well, I liked it more when I thought it cost the $36,000 the single motor was supposed to cost. This, you know, dual motor only, this has a couple of nice things on it, heated steering wheel, heated seats, dah dah dah dah dah. It's like 49.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Um, which is the average price of an EV in America, but like, that's a lot of money.

• 20:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's, it's, it's the same or maybe more than Mach-E.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  I think it's more than some Mach-E.

• 20:19Matt Farah?

  It's more than some Mach-Es, for sure.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  It's more than the dual motor Model 3, but it's cheaper than the Model 3 Performance.

• 20:25Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  That has like, that one's like 55 and has adaptive shocks and all, but like, and way more horsepower. But this thing's got 400 horsepower.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  I think-

• 20:33Speaker 01

  It's quick.

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  It's, it's very quick. Not only is it very quick, the norm, to me, the normal, you know, it's got like eco mode, normal mode, and sport mode. I think the throttle is a little too sensitive in normal mode. I like, I prefer to drive it in eco mode or range mode all the time. I actually like the, uh, a little bit dumber throttle. The, in normal mode, the throttle's fucking sharp.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  It's pretty quick, yeah.

• 20:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And when paired with a one pedal drive, I think it's gonna be a little jumpy. Like, when you hit a bump, it can make some jerky-

• 21:06Speaker 01

  It does a little of that Jaguar jerk.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

  The Ja-

• 21:09Matt Farah?

  That's funny, that, cause that's-

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Jaguar jerk.

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  There's a crazy people reference in there, too.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Hand jobs for people that you hardly know.

• 21:15Matt Farah?

  From women you hardly know. Um, but, but it, what really drives me nuts about this car is that it abs, it reverts to standard, it reverts to its own mode every time. Like, full ADAS back on every time you restart the car, lane keep assist, all that, back on every time you start the car. And even if I leave the car in range mode, it restarts in standard mode. It doesn't stay in range mode. The Mach-E, if I put it in range mode, would stay there until I took it out of range.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Did that only hap, does that happen with Mach-E press cars, or only when you owned it and you'd like use your app or your phone as a key and shit?

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  No, I never, for three years, I used fobs as a key. I never once used my phone.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Then point against, for sure.

• 21:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, dude, there's this fucking full-on binary that's about to start happening with these cars, where it's- Does the car stay with the ADAS off and, and sort of how I left it? Or does it fucking not? And man, every car is failing.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Even if it was gonna always revert to ADAS because they'd be like, it's safer, blah, blah, blah. Why wouldn't it stay in the range mode you want?

• 22:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  That's a really weird change.

• 22:22Matt Farah?

  That's really strange.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Um, things I like, it's also smaller than the, the Mach-E. It's the size of a bolt, so.

• 22:28Matt Farah?

  I like the compact footprint, actually. I found it easy to park.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Easy to drive, blah, blah, blah, blah. I thought, uh, I thought it steers pretty good. I got used to the squeal, the square wheel. Um, I wonder if with the square wheel stuff, if they just looked at how most drivers operate cars. And they go, alright, you're mostly going straight. You take one, a turn, that's 10 seconds of your life, then you're going straight again. Cause the wheel feels like it's designed to be comfortable going straight. Like people that rest their hand on the top, the bottom, whatever. But then, when, when I go, I went around a roundabout, the steering ratio is not quick enough.

• 23:00Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Where I had to get pretty crossed up. I wanted to test it, like, can I just turn this 90 degrees like a Ferrari? No, I'd get really crossed up, and so you have to do a little hand over hand on these 90 degree angles.

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  Not just that, there's no gauge cluster in front of the steering wheel.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  My least favorite thing.

• 23:14Matt Farah?

  Which I can live with, it's not my favorite, but I can live with it. But, this is one of the very small places of, places where I have to give Tesla credit. Tesla's interiors are Spartan so they can be cheap. Fucking no question about that. But, at least they have a very low cowl, and you can put the steering wheel where the fuck ever. Because there's no gauges there, like, I like a low steering wheel, and the fact that there's no gauges to block, and I can actually have the steering wheel low where I like it, it's actually incredibly comfortable to drive. This thing, the steering wheel's up here.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  I, I sit in a way where I have to sit pretty low, with the seat almost all the way down, if not down. And my head is a fist from the roof in this Volvo. So one, one fist. So it's not like I'm sitting too low and need to sit higher, right? And where I sit, and my head is up here by the roof, the steering wheel is up here, where my hands have to be way too high, even at its lowest position. And if you put the steering wheel up to its highest position, it's like blocking my view out the window.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  It's like a strange truck thing.

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  It's so weird.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  I also noticed, this has, this does something that the old Tacomas did, where when I get in the right position for my legs. I am sitting too far away from the wheel, doesn't telescope enough.

• 24:32Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  If I move closer, my knee touches the dash, which I don't like. And then, this thing has, I think it has either a very large B pillar, or because of the way the seating position's laid out and the dash to axle ratio, I found myself not seeing cars in the blind spot. Like, it has a larger blind spot, because I'm so close to the B pillar.

• 24:51Matt Farah?

  Maybe that's why it has so much A-dash.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Right next to my head, I think. But the, the, the blind spot monitoring light on the mirror is a little bit dim.

• 24:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  I wish that was brighter. And most cars I've driven, like, it pops out, and, and I drove it today at noon, and I was like, "Oh, that light is flashing." Didn't like that. The one-pedal driving was kinda weird. You operate EVs far often, more often than I do. So, one-pedal, I had it in high regen, essentially. High, high, whatever, one-pedal, aggressive.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  That's a lot.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  It was a lot, but I was like, trying to time the lift-off to come to a stop at a light. And I was coming up short a lot, by a couple car lengths, I was getting used to it. But I noticed that if I tapped the gas very lightly, like, "Oh, I need to move forward eight more feet", it would release the brake, almost entirely, and then just start coasting.

• 25:37Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  And it wouldn't, it didn't know that I was just trying to like, move up a little, like some other cars have. So then I would actually have to get onto the brake.

• 25:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, so the regen, one-pedal drive, sort of stopped at creep speeds?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  It like, cancels itself at creep speed.

• 25:52Matt Farah?

  So, there's a toggle on the car to turn creep on or off? Did you toggle it off?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I didn't fuck with that, but I know that when I've driven Mach-E, and when I've driven your Taycan, like, either timing the one-pedal's easier, or when it knows I'm decelerating, like, it feels like you're coming to a stop. The car seems to know it, and if you give it a tiny, like, 1% of gas, to just get a little closer.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  The Mach-E did that.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  It extends that, that one braking, or that one-pedal braking. So that was, that just needed a little bit of calibration.

• 26:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I wonder if you toggle off that, the creep, if that was a different, yeah, different thing. But, um... I thought dynamically it was alright.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 26:30Matt Farah?

  I thought the

• 26:30Speaker 01

  I think the ride's pretty good.

• 26:31Matt Farah?

  The ride was decent, the suspension and the brakes were decent. I thought the handling was decent. It drove predictably. I liked the small turning circle. But the driving position with that steering wheel was really weird. The ADAS not turning off was really weird. And I thought the, I don't like this Android-based tablet thing they use very much.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  I found it pretty easy to use. Like, it nested CarPlay in the Android shit pretty well.

• 26:58Matt Farah?

  It did do that, yeah. It did do that, I agree. But I think the, I was surprised at, I don't know, maybe it was just because it was really hot when I got in the car and I was like panicking. I didn't, I found the climate control less intuitive than I wanted it to be.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, when it's on auto, it's just blasting. And then when you switch, you have to go, and that's another thing with the whole, like, the tablet thing. You have to go, there are two different climate menus. The climate menu always sits at the bottom.

• 27:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  And I went, oh, okay, I want to turn the fan down. So I brought that menu up. There's no option for that.

• 27:32Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  That menu only has like sync the sides, temperature.

• 27:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  And like seats and steering wheel. You have to like go into the Android menu, climate, and that's where you can decide to put it into manual mode or eco mode.

• 27:45Matt Farah?

  So that was where I was trying to figure it out. The car had been sitting outside my house on the really hot day. It was like a thousand degrees in there. I'm trying to drive somewhere. And I'm like hitting that thing, where I think the climate thing is, and it's like not bringing up the like max AC.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:03Matt Farah?

  And I set the temperature down to like 60 or whatever the lowest is, and it's just going.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  Just, just, I'm like, what the fuck? And it was, it took me a long time to figure out, oh, there's a second climate menu in here that I have to mess with. So that, once you learn that, like, okay, but like, that's like a little clunky.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  It was a little clunky. I wish you could just like pull up the way you can in a Lucid and it would bring up the whole climate menu. It also has like the ADAS yawn patrol. Where, so I got in the car today, I'd been in the car for three minutes, and I yawned, and it goes bling and says, do you need to take a break?

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  It's like the car's been operating for three minutes all day.

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  Oh, here's the other one.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Because it's detecting where your eyes are and what your mouth is doing.

• 28:46Matt Farah?

  It's shockingly fast for a little thing.

• 28:50Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Dude, zero to sixty is three and a half seconds.

• 28:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, we're driving the M2CS at the same time, and I swear to God, up to about eighty, the Volvo beats the BMW, especially when you consider like traction and things like that. Like, there's almost no way, zero to eighty, that BMW beats this little Volvo. Like, it's not fucking happening. But, um.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  We're talking about the air conditioning windows thing.

• 29:17Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  So we can come back to that.

• 29:18Matt Farah?

  But it's, it's just, there are some things about it that are weird, that, that kind of bug me. Uh, the position of the steering wheel, to me, maybe it fits someone else's body, but it doesn't fit mine.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  I was kind of bummed, like, the, the center console, you know, you can hide the cup holders and they pop out. Alright, fine. When you hide them, it's just this giant, open space, like a, like the Cybertruck.

• 29:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  You can reach all the way to the floor.

• 29:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  And then it has this shelf, angled shelf, that can hold your phone, I guess, but it's so big.

• 29:44Matt Farah?

  Well, it's a wireless charger.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  But it's like iPad-sized.

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  Dude, you know, in general, I've now found, the, the M2CS, which I think we'll talk about really next show, this car, um, a couple other cars I've driven recently, have really devoted an awful lot of real estate space to wireless phone chargers, that don't charge my fucking phone very well.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  They don't work.

• 30:08Matt Farah?

  They're just, they make my phone really hot, and like, best-case scenario, if I'm like, using Google Maps and playing a podcast, best-case scenario, level.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:19Matt Farah?

  It keeps it level.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you're gambling and going to work, and you're just breaking even every day.

• 30:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Whereas when I'm plugging in my phone to a USB-C, it's actively putting juice into the phone.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Totally, keeps it, well, will get it from twenty to full in a reasonable amount of time. And this is an ongoing problem, and we've had wireless charging out now for, I don't know, six years.

• 30:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  And that was a problem in the beginning, is if your phone moved at all, it would, it would disengage it, that still happens. Very few companies went with some sort of holder that kept it in place. And, and then even so, other than, what we say, Porsche, no one has a cooler for the phone.

• 30:56Matt Farah?

  Active cooling.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  So it can only charge at a certain rate, which is pretty low. It feels like a gimmick that they sell people and the people that buy the cars for the first time with wireless charging have never experienced the hell of it. And then they go, oh, cool. And then they try it, but they can't return the lease and they go, ah, fuck.

• 31:11Matt Farah?

  It stinks.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  It's terrible.

• 31:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it stinks. In fairness to Volvo, there is a thing that holds the phone in place. So if it's, once it's charging, it's not like flopping around. In the BMW M2, it was flopping around. It's just, it's, it sits there and you hit a bump and all of a sudden you're not charging anymore. Like, it's mad annoying, dude. So, most of the things about the BMW M2 that I did not like are manufacturer-wide, you know, software-type issues. You know what I mean? Like that, not necessarily dynamic issues. Although next week when we talk about that car, we'll talk about a few of those. There's cars not perfect dynamically. There are some notes. But the Volvo, yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  I thought it was pretty fun. It's nice to have a Model 3 option that I think is pretty good. It's just got canceled because of EV incentives, so.

• 32:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you may be able to get one on the cheap. And if that's the case, like, you know, have at it. Because the range is good, the power is great, if it fits your body, then I like that it's a luxurious-feeling car in a small footprint.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  It's pretty damn adjustable.

• 32:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Sorry, I cut you off.

• 32:25Matt Farah?

  No, no. I didn't learn, the lumbar adjustments are hidden.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta tap the button.

• 32:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I didn't, it took me two days. I was like, why is there no lumbar?

• 32:32Speaker 01

  I think I only know that because of the Volvo V90 I drove over Thanksgiving. Same thing, like, that square holds all the keys. So if you tap it, you know, it's a, what is it? Like, a 12-function, 12 functions hidden within one button.

• 32:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  So.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  You gotta know how to operate that device. It took me a minute to be like, why, why is my lumbar like not right on this? And that's why. But, uh, but thank you to Volvo for letting us, uh, letting us have a go. Uh, maybe next time, don't kill the model before our test and we will do more covering it.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I think they didn't want to, but uh, force is larger than them.

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  Right. Now, the, uh, dynamics and lightweighting study Porsche 964, uh, reimagined by Singer. I think I've pronounced that Porsche 964 reimagined by Singer as part of the dynamics and lightweighting study. Uh, maybe?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  I feel like you're lawsuit proof now.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  I think I'm pretty lawsuit proof. Um, most people would just know the letters DLS and know what I'm talking about. Finally got to have a go. It was a short go. It's not a real, uh, wasn't not, it was, you know, I'm pretty in tune with cars. I don't, I don't need a super long go to know what amazing is. Uh, so Maz, uh, from Singer, I saw him at Malibu. I was with Christian Hand in the Manx. And Maz was like, oh, I really want to have a go in the Manx. And I was like, you may have a go. And he tosses me the key and I was like, ooh, nice light key. He's like, yeah, you think that's light? Way do you feel the car? And I was like, oh, oh, okay. So I was like, Christian, fucking get in, let's go.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  And, uh, man, I understand. I, I understand. I, I would, I would, I would really think about compromising my morals for one of these fucking things, for sure. Uh, you know, that, that meme that's like money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a jet ski and you don't see unhappy people in a jet ski? It's that. It's that exact thing. And it's like, yeah, so you just build up a business, you got like 10,000 employees and then just like, fire half of them, pocket the money, and then you have one of these? Like, okay, cool, can do that.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Well, so the last Singer we drove was the Turbo, right?

• 34:50Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  So, let's give me comparison.

• 34:52Matt Farah?

  So like the Turbo is the ultimate daily, right? If you're super fucking rich, that Turbo, isn't a weekend car from you. You drive that all the time, right? Like that's, that's like the best thing about all this, but in a package with like, fabulously light clutch and could just, could just every.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  It's the perfect blend of old car and new car flavor.

• 35:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's like, it's like if you had. The lightness of inputs of a brand-new Cayman, but in this old-looking car that has like 500 horsepower and rips, like, that's kind of what that is.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  But modern turbothrottle response, yeah, it's so good.

• 35:31Matt Farah?

  This is like the weekend version of that, where like, you know, with this motor, this 4-cam motor that's like co-developed with Williams, when you like blip, yes, it revs to 9, but like, when you just do the blip, it's like that, you know what I mean? Like, some motors, when you rev 'em, it's not how they open, it's how they close. You know what I mean?

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:56Matt Farah?

  You know, like...

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Well, there's a flywheel aspect to that.

• 35:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  But they decelerate slower than they accelerate.

• 36:02Matt Farah?

  Right. Most motors, even high-performance ones, if you go, they'll come down a little slower. This comes down even faster than it goes up. It's like a freewheeling engine, almost. So, it's, you know, if you've ever heard like a fucking leader bike, like an S1000 or whatever, like, those really fast, like, fast, fast revs, like, think F1 car, or think that type of... Yes, it's like that. And so, you either have to shift really quick, or you have to like feather the throttle a little bit in between gears, because the engine feels like it has like no weight of its own.

• 36:47Matt Farah?

  But the inputs, you know, just like that turbo, are like perfect shifter feel, just perfect, just across the board. Every input's perfect. The ride quality is like exceptional, because it's like so light, it doesn't need to run a ton of spring. It has Chiron brakes. It weighs like, just over half of what a Chiron weighs, and has Chiron brakes.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Is that just because the brakes that are on the Chiron, are they AP Racing? Are they just so good?

• 37:14Matt Farah?

  They're giant carb, they're the biggest carbon ceramics that you could fit in this car. I think there is a bigger one, but you need to run like 22-inch wheels.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  No, I'm just wondering, and obviously the engineers at Singer know what they're doing, like, why does it have the brakes of a 4,000-pound car?

• 37:30Matt Farah?

  I think because they're the best that money can buy.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  You can never have too much brake, I guess.

• 37:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, and it has incredibly advanced calibration. I mean, the whole thing is like, you know, it's a Tuve, like, approved car.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Is it manual steering, or...?

• 37:45Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's not manual. I don't, I couldn't tell you what type of pump it is, but it is not a manual steering rack. The effort is too easy.

• 37:56Matt Farah?

  My guess is it would be a motorsport-based one like they were using in the 993 race cars. Something similar to that, which is also what Gunther uses on the turbos. Excuse me, but um, you just, you just, every input and like every vibration that you feel is a good one. And every bad vibration that you don't want to feel isn't there. You know, like, and it's, you can see all this raw carbon, but it doesn't feel like those hypercars that feel hollow because they're made of raw carbon where you hear all the gravel and stuff like,

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  it's somehow both expertly insulated and incredibly light. And like, dude, I wound out third gear to nine. I don't know how fucking fast I was going, but it was really fast. And then just like stood on the brake pedal and it stopped like a, like a cone exactly. Yeah, just like, yeah, this is alright. And everything about it is exactly what somebody

• 39:07Matt Farah?

  that has been, that knows what they're doing and was given an unlimited budget would do. Like, it's like, it's the most perfect car I've driven.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  The turbo experience, which this is probably like that, there's a clarity to the sounds and experiences. It's like a perfect stereo, you know, like you don't hear any little buzzes. You need, you know, if Christian's ear was in front of the greatest stereo ever, like that's what driving these is like, both in terms of the sound, but also the sensations. We know what you want to feel and what you don't want to feel and hear.

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  And as it, it checks the correct box on every one of those items, which is really, really wild. Really wild. I mean, you expect it. This is like, this is like a three million dollar car. Like if it's not all of that, you'd go, meh, you know, but like.

• 39:59Matt Farah?

  It has that same steering wheel that we love, that perfect steering wheel from the turbo. It's, I think it's a little more carbony in this one, but it's effectively the same shape. It has the same, the same shifter from the turbo. Because they've used the, they did this first. And then they go, we're using the DLS gearbox in the turbo now. So like this, it's that. And it has, uh, what's really nice is, you know, usually if like, like 911 ST or the, or even the GT3 Touring, if you have that very light clutch, the car becomes like stallable. This had the very light clutch with the very revvy engine, but still not stallable. Like low speed maneuverability. It wasn't like bucky and jerky.

• 40:44Matt Farah?

  You could kind of like ride the clutch a little bit and just smoothly move in and out of a parking space. Really nice.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  I wonder what they did to make that so perfect.

• 40:52Matt Farah?

  They spent so much fucking time on it, dude. They spent so much time on all those cal, all the calibrations and stuff. There's like a, I think it's a five-stage traction control system, that knob right behind the shifter. There's all these different, you know, there's different engine maps and different like ABS maps. They really, they, they, they did a lot of like, some stuff that was like really OEM grade and some stuff that's really motorsport grade. Marino, you know, did a ton of work, test driving it. Um, and this was a, then, and Maz was very like, he was like, this one's like, this was our prototype. It's like not like finished right, like it's not great.

• 41:35Matt Farah?

  I'm like, dude, stop telling people that because like you obviously know what to look for, but like, whatever you think I'm seeing in this motherfucker, like I'm not seeing.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  If this is the crappy one, you'll take it off their hands at a heavily discounted rate.

• 41:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So it, dude, dude, this thing was fast and, and just all the fizz. So, so choice, so fucking choice. I, yeah. You wanna, you wanna sell missiles to the wrong people, uh, to get one of these? You know, you wanna be like the fucking Paul brothers, go to Puerto Rico, not pay taxes, talk mad shit. If there's a singer at the other end like, "I kinda get it."

• 42:16Speaker 01

  At least, you know, there are cars that cost around this much money that are less perfect. And I think cars like this, and I think, you know, Koenigsegg is similar to a degree. Like, they set the bar so that the other people that are trying to come up and sell in their market should do their best to meet it.

• 42:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  You know, because this is what's available.

• 42:37Matt Farah?

  Well, and what I really like about this is, when you, whether you're driving it, whether you're riding in it, like, with a hypercar,

• 42:48Matt Farah?

  it's, what is the top speed? What is the this? What is the that? What are the numbers? Is it faster? You, who the fuck cares what the 0-60 of this is? What's the top speed? Fuck if I know. I don't know, something?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  They don't, yeah, that's true. They don't really talk about it.

• 43:05Matt Farah?

  What's the difference?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a good point.

• 43:06Matt Farah?

  What's the difference? It revs to nine and it makes you feel like you are a god when you're driving it. That's what I'm talking about. I don't give a fuck what the 0-60 time is. It's probably not even that good.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  I wonder, you know, we get asked this question a lot. Will hypercars, supercars start to slow down in the interest of driving dynamics and stuff like that? And it would take more than one company. But if all of the top-end companies started focusing on engagement and making the engines at 600 horsepower, not 1200, 1400, whatever, like, I think that does trickle down from the top. Because when we were young, it was all about getting faster, more power, faster, more power. Well, now we're there and we realize it's not everything. So maybe this will kind of right the ship.

• 43:55Matt Farah?

  Because when we were young, faster and more power, you're still shifting. You're still, there's not a lot of computers. So we didn't know at the time that faster and more power would lead to technologies that took away from some of the fizz.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  I think that's partly true. I think it was also harder to make power, especially like in the 80s and 90s.

• 44:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  And now it's so easy. Once the, once the things are easy to get, people don't care about it as much, right?

• 44:23Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  So.

• 44:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  They, this, that seems sick. The NA cars seem like the turbo ones are really fun, but I just like the response of NA, the sound of it, all of that.

• 44:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, this is, it's got cylinder heads that fucking made by a Formula One.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  I mean, that's the, you know, the engine is like.

• 44:40Matt Farah?

  It's that.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Worth more than my entire net worth almost.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the engine's like 500 grand in these fucking things.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Wow, that's bananas.

• 44:48Matt Farah?

  It's, it's, it's truly, truly an exceptional piece of machinery. And I, it's a shame that like, all of them aren't driven. This one's got 6,800 miles on it.

• 45:01Matt Farah?

  It's a shame that they're not all, all driven like that. But I, you know, it's, it's, it's incredibly profitable to not drive one. But I would hope that if you had enough money to buy one, that you would go, like, now that I've driven it, like, I go, okay, look, you know, you, you gotta, you gotta be fucking seriously loaded to have, cause to earn $3 million legitimately, you need to have, to, to spend 3 million legitimately on this car, you need to have earned seven, right? Like, that's, you need, you know, legally, if you're, if you're paying, and some, some rich people out there are going LOL, no I don't, but that notwithstanding, like, that's a fucking ton of money to put into a car, but

• 45:45Matt Farah?

  like, man, you know.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  I wonder if people.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  Game over shit, dude.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  People that can afford this. Probably a lot of people that buy these cars and they have 10 to 20 other cars. And they've got all the cool hypercar stuff. It would be, it would be nice if these racked up more miles than the other stuff, because this is focused on driver enjoyment, enjoyment, and, you know, would kind of pull them away from the big power figures.

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  I hope, I mean, there's, there are a few cars that I've driven, most of which are Porsches, mainly because they're the last really, the manual transmission cars around, you know, but it's like, it's the, the ST where you go, and stuff like this, stuff like the, where you just go, man, I could just stop right here, and I, I, maybe that's not true. Maybe you get there and it just happened. I could, I can't, I can't imagine. Not being satisfied with something like that over a long period of time in terms of driving it. And like, over a long, how are fucking, how are miles not worth the money in something like that? That I don't get.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  I think they're totally worth it. I mean, these are probably just going up in value, I'm sure. Cause the waiting list is huge.

• 46:52Matt Farah?

  Few of these.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Vin and Nachtra had a funny thing he put out the other day. Like, he wants to start shaming people, rich people who don't drive their cars and just be like, oh, man, what, could you not afford to put more miles on it? It's a great trick.

• 47:04Matt Farah?

  That's pretty funny.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty good.

• 47:05Matt Farah?

  Could you not afford to put more miles on it?

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Cause some people are proud of their low mileage, whatever. And you'd be like, oh, is it, is it too expensive to drive this amazing, you know, four, five, eight or whatever?

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. I wonder how you could spin that into a good T-shirt. There's probably a way to succinctly make that into a good T-shirt, but I like the idea as a concept. If you, if it was like the Daniel Mack, but the opposite.

• 47:30Speaker 01

  Who's Daniel Mack?

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  The what do you do for a living guy?

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Oh, right, right.

• 47:33Matt Farah?

  If it was the opposite of that, like, tell me about your car. How many miles are on it? Could you not afford to put more? That's actually a pretty funny gag. I like that.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  You just start with, what do you do for a living? And they're like, oh, and like, does it not make you enough money to drive this very often? You know? And it's, if someone has 20, 50 cars, like, you know, they can't drive, they can't put that many miles on something. But there's people out there that have, you know, 15 cars and they just let them sit.

• 47:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, if you, yeah, there's people that pride themselves on that.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:03Matt Farah?

  There was that guy, there was that guy that, you know, that had a lot of Vipers. Like a lot, like 20 Vipers. And, you know, all but, you know, two were delivery miles. And like, yeah, he, he sold a few of them at a profit, but like, was it, it's like, it's a lot of space and wasted, tied up resources.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Probably underperformed the index. Yeah.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like you could have, if, you know, you could have, oh, you could have doubled your money in, you know, seven years or whatever. Just on some basic ass shit.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Anyway, but this, like, this was, this to me is a real example of, like,

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  Fuck, sometimes these really, really expensive things are like super impressive. And you got, you wanna fucking be like, there's no way that's worth it. And you go, look, after a certain point, it does get incremental. You know what I mean? To go from, and again, I realize the numbers are insane, but to go from one million in the turbo that we drove to three million in this. Is it three times better? No, absolutely not. It's, it's, it's maybe 20%, 25%, right? It's like, it's like, it's just fucking, it's just cranked up. But like, when you get to that high level,

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  then getting to the even higher level within that is like very, very difficult. Like the amount, like this, this car to me is the most, quote, "everything is important" car that I've driven from that company.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 49:36Matt Farah?

  That's like their sort of motto, but like, this is the one, this is the first one where even after like 10 minutes, I was like, nothing about this could be better. This is just, this is exactly the thing. So like, I, you know, I get it, I guess. They, they probably don't-

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Perfection is expensive.

• 49:52Matt Farah?

  It's fucking really expensive.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:54Matt Farah?

  It's so expensive to make something the, the, the best.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  I should say, mechanical things that are perfect tend to be expensive, yeah.

• 50:01Matt Farah?

  A lot of things that are, natural things that are perfect are expensive. An ocean view, a fucking diamond, I mean, you know, you name it, natural things can be expensive.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  It's true. You can also just go, you know, it depends on your, this is gonna get too, uh, subjective, but the, the perfect, expensive, unique car is going to be expensive. Unfortunately. And this is just all the things turned up to 11, and the things you don't want turned down to zero. And all that shit's expensive.

• 50:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's shit that you didn't even know you didn't want to be better. You know, like- Like the, like, the crank, the crank windows, like, this thing has crank windows. But the crank window mechanism is this beautifully, like, fucking made thing, that it's more satisfying to roll the window down using this thing than it would be if it had, I'm sorry, I don't have a better picture of the crank window. But it's, it's somehow better to do it that way than it is to do it the other way, because you get to use this beautifully made, you know, machine. This, the turbo probably has power windows, I think it does, but, but it's just that, it's that kinda shit.

• 51:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's see, is there, I don't know if there's a DLS interior.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the DLS you're driving?

• 51:17Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Is this the one?

• 51:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's it. Maz brought it to, that's Chris Harris driving at the ice race.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it was that, it was the same car. Uh, they drove, they had the turbo, but they also had Maz's car, yeah.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  So, anyway, it, it's not going to be surprising to many people to hear that this car is essentially the second coming of Jesus Christ, but sometimes shit is, dude, it's like, that's, that, an engine that, like, is in a car, but feels more like a motorcycle engine is like a pretty wild thing.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  You know, especially when, like, it's, it's powerful enough to actually make, cause with the four cam head, it, it can have a torque cam profile in the lower half of the, it's like VTEC, you know what I mean? So, so like, there's, you drive around in this thing that's like a racing engine, but, but below 5,000, it, it does have some power, you can drive around, it's not like dead. So you can, you can drive around and like, you know, kind of rip the thing up to about 4,000 or 5,000 RPM, like you would do when you're just sort of driving normally, and it's not like a dog, or it doesn't like sputter or anything like that, and then you get into it and the thing comes on cam,

• 52:33Matt Farah?

  and it's holy fucking shit from 5 to 9, you better hang on to your balls, man, that thing is, you're, you're going. By the time it goes past eight, you have to be ready on the brakes. Like, you're going faster than even you think you are.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Is upshifting, is timing the upshift hard because of how quickly the revs drop?

• 52:55Matt Farah?

  If you're driving real fast and shifting it, not like, not like Fox body power shifting, but like shifting it fast on the way up, you can match the revs appropriately, but with a proper lift. If you're just just cruising around, you do not, you don't take your accelerator foot all the way off. You have to like catch the revs a little bit to shift slower, otherwise it won't match quite right. But that's the same as the ST. ST was exactly the same as that. Yeah. Or if you did a manual swapped Ferrari 430, it would be just like that too. Or, what do you call it? 599.

• 53:39Matt Farah?

  But like, yeah, that's a treat. 10 minutes was not enough, but it was also enough to go, that's it, that's the shit.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  How many, how many t-shirts would we have to sell? Or how many giveaway tickets?

• 53:53Matt Farah?

  We'd have to like inherit, you know, the money. We'd have to have different parents, even me. You know, I already, I already won that lottery, but I'd have to win a bigger one somehow. And, or we'd have to like oppress a people. We'd have to like do crimes. We'd have to run a scam of some kind. Speaking of scams, no.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  No, don't say that.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  No, absolutely not. Our Porsche giveaway will probably not get us a DLS.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  It won't.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Well, it's right you got to drive it. I mean, what a magical thing. Cause it took, what, 20 years of this job to get to drive the Singer Turbo, I think.

• 54:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Not, and it obviously didn't exist, but like it took that long to get a Singer press car. And so now, jumping in. And they've got more models coming out, so this is good. You're in the door.

• 54:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, wait till their crossover comes out. They have a, they have an electric crossover coming out next year.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  No, no, they've got like the...

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  No, for China.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  They've got the...

• 54:49Matt Farah?

  You haven't seen it? The Singer, the Singer XR4BE Yangwang?

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Is it made by Volvo, which is really made by...

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  It's outsourced to Geely, no.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:00Matt Farah?

  They also make a hell of a watch.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Well, no, they've got, look, they got a cabrio coming out.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  The convertible is really interesting. Did you see this? So they had the rear structure, essentially the firewall and the structure of the car behind the seats, re-engineered with like a carbon insert that makes the structure of the convertible as rigid as the structure of the coupe.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And they worked with, shit, I forget who it was. They might, they might have worked with DeLara, or they worked with some, some, it might have all, I don't think it was Williams again. I think it was a different Red Bull. I think it was Red Bull. They worked with Red Bull, I believe, to make this carbon thing that reinforces the-

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Like drops into the open-

• 55:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, basically they removed the firewall and they removed the floor of the, the floor pan of the car, and they replace it with this carbon cell that, that creates a much more rigid structure. I think if you scroll down, it says, it shows the thing.

• 56:14Matt Farah?

  It shows the piece. Somewhere? No, maybe not. I don't know, it looks pretty rad though, doesn't it? It's a good time.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure it's fun, but I'm just saying, they're, look, they got five models available, Matt.

• 56:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Classic turbo deal, yeah. So, um, you know, thanks Maz, love you. He had good things to say about the Manks as well. He said, he said the low-speed drivability and the throttle engagement was really good, which for a weird engine is very hard to do. Um, shall we go to the people?

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 56:44Matt Farah?

  We should. Over at Patreon, Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast is where you help your favorite podcasters keep their show floating. It's also where you ask us questions for the live show and then subsequently watch the live show. It's where you get the show early, it's where you can get the show without ads, where you can get extra show, and it's where you can get access to exclusive collabs and things that we're doing over here. Zach and I had a good creative meeting yesterday for our next collab. It's not a watch. I think it could be really fucking cool.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  It's really cool.

• 57:19Matt Farah?

  I think it's fun and different, and it's something I haven't really seen before. So I'm excited to do it. And we should have more on that one pretty soon. But it's, it's, that's gonna be really fun. It's gonna be available exclusively to patrons. Can you zoom z in, please? I also, interestingly, Zach, went to, went to get, have my, uh, my eye examined. I went to have my eye examined because I thought maybe my reading glasses were getting less effective.

• 57:50Matt Farah?

  And they said, uh, my, my right eye has changed by, uh, point, I think point five percent. And my left eye is the same as it was two years ago. So.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  It seems good?

• 58:04Matt Farah?

  I mean, it hasn't changed that much. Basically, what they said is it's probably not worth me trying to get new glasses right now. Should probably wait another year and see if it changes a little more.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 58:13Matt Farah?

  Otherwise, I'm spending 500 bucks for a.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  That's basically the equivalent of all of the clothes I bought when I was a smaller XXL that I've worn twice. And I'm now in XL, which feels really good, but now all these brand new fucking clothes are too big for me. And so it's, it's real, like, I, you know, I'm proud, I feel good, and my clothes, it's nice to be able to buy XL clothes, really opens a lot of doors, but.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  But now you've bought these clothes you bought, they can't wear?

• 58:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and I, I, I don't, it's not that I buy fancy stuff, but I buy quality stuff, so like, you know, I bought, I bought like some nice sweaters and shit that like are now, I wore them once, they're too big, and I'm like, damn, this fucking sweater was like 200 bucks, dude, I'm like, fuck. So, I don't know what to do, I shouldn't know.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  I was listening to Stavi's show, and he said, he's like, somewhere in New York, there's a storage unit with plastic bins full of his old sweatsuits that go from 5X to like whatever he is now, and he's like, I don't know what to do with that stuff.

• 59:07Matt Farah?

  Well, I was talking to my therapist this morning about this. Is it mentally healthy to get rid of all that stuff, barring the cost, or do I store it in case we see it again?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  That's tough, because if you get rid of it, you can go, alright, I'll never, it's like throwing away, I don't know, the, the life vest or whatever, when you get to the desert island.

• 59:26Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  I'm staying here. That's not even an analogy, you know what I mean?

• 59:29Matt Farah?

  I kept. My skinnier stuff in case I saw it again.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:34Matt Farah?

  And I did.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:35Matt Farah?

  But now that stuff is too fatter, too gone. So the question is, I don't, I don't, I think it's bad omen to keep the fatter stuff.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:45Matt Farah?

  But a good motivation to keep the skinnier stuff if you go the other way.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what you want, because you want to be on the skinny stuff.

• 59:51Matt Farah?

  You do.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  You don't want, but if you have this backstop.

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  I don't want a backstop with fat stuff, but there's a couple of things that are like sort of expensive, like sweaters and jackets where I'm like, ooh. I'd hate to have to buy big expensive sweaters and jackets again when I have brand new ones here.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Can you make them like winter relaxy clothes? Like you wear the jacket with a sweater under it because it's super cold out and?

• 1:00:13Matt Farah?

  You could, but here's the thing. If you were once fat, you never again want to layer up in a way that makes you look fat.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  It's real, this is a bit of fat fucking psychology, let me share with you.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  It makes sense.

• 1:00:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  You don't want to bulk on your clothes to fit this.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  Hannah was like, Hannah was like, and she means, she means well, she doesn't know. She's been petite her whole life, she doesn't get this. She was like, no, what, she's like, just, you just wear it oversized. I go oversized? Are you fucking crazy? Overs, you know how hard I've worked to not be wearing something oversized? I'm not just going to continue with the oversize.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  But what if that fashion, like hip hop, you know, 90s, super oversized comes back in?

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  If Belvin Devoe comes back into fashion, I, that's what, that's what my tailor said yesterday with the suits. My dad, my dad gave me, my dad has so many dope blazers, he ran Ralph Lauren. My dad has all the dope blazers in the fucking world that he doesn't wear anymore because he's retired. I'm now thin enough to wear his blazers. I'm like so stoked about this and I'm stealing his blazers left and right. He don't even know. Except he, in his 40s, he's shrunk a little bit because he's old now, but he in his 40s, he was 6'5" and I'm 6'2". So his blazers are a little long for me, but that, you can't cut them.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  That's a problem is you can't shorten a custom blazer, it just like can't really be done. And so I have all these blazers that have fit me like dope, except they're a little too long. My tailor's like, just keep them for five years, the fashion will come to you.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 1:01:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All right.

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  AMG Hammer Time, Kuhn Touch This says, "I listened to your review of the Lotus Carlton from a couple of weeks ago, and it got me thinking about what a powerhouse Lotus Engineering was in the 80s and 90s. Is it ironic they haven't put their own engine in a car in over 20 years?" Uh, I mean, is it ir... Engines are hard, and I think Lotus understood that their engines were not that good, and other people's engines might be better and they can focus on the things that they do well.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  I think it's also really expensive to build engines. I think, you know, to actually, like, I don't know, forge or cast your blocks and stuff like that is probably a really intense and expensive endeavor, and Lotus has never been that flush with money.

• 1:02:45Matt Farah?

  Right. The Hood Left unlatch, "Thoughts on JSSX as an alternative to major airlines?" That's JetSuite X. I've flown it once. For certain legs, pricing is only slightly more expensive than a major airline.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  And you can bring a dog on it, we just learned.

• 1:03:01Matt Farah?

  You can bring a dog, smaller terminals, you fly out of the private side. I don't hate it. I would fly it more, but I, dude, I am addicted to my Delta status. I'm so addicted to it. Flying on American, home from the BVI with no status, bro, I can't live like this. There's no way.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  It was also, even if you don't know, stat, like, the plane seemed old, no screens, that's annoying on a cross continental flight.

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  So, I would use JetSuite X a lot more if I wasn't so ingrained in the Delta sphere. I need my miles, I then use my miles, I then, I get all these upgrades for my status, I then can use... So, because of my, because I fly so much for work, I get Diamond status, which gets me upgrades, so like, I can use an upgrade and effectively buy a coach ticket and get a first class ticket. Having said that, if I couldn't do that, I would shop JetSuite X for every flight if I did not have loyalty. It's dope.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Seems nice.

• 1:04:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is dope. Yeah.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Prices vary a lot. Like, I looked up, flying across the country is much more expensive than a regular airline, but on a short trip, it can be pretty good and convenient.

• 1:04:14Matt Farah?

  Our good friend, and our good friend, my client, and our, and patron, Tony A. Loves Jet Suite X. He flies with his dog on Jet Suite X all the time. In cabin. Dog hangs out in cabin.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  No, that's the thing is they're just there with you.

• 1:04:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Matt Farah?

  Dude, my dream, I'd love it if I'm fucking, if I'm hanging out in, let's just say, Delta Comfort. Exit row, maybe? Someone sits down next to me with a dog. Do you mind? I might, yes. Let's fucking, can the dog hang out with me?

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Can I pet the dog?

• 1:04:45Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:04:46Matt Farah?

  You just made my flight better. Thank you. Please bring, I know people hate dogs on flights, but not me. I like a dog.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  I feel like everyone smiles when the dog gets on the flight, as long as it's a well behaved dog.

• 1:04:58Matt Farah?

  Gavin Sullivan says Maserati Gran Turismo versus Aston Martin V8 Vantage thoughts. Two ways to play this one. New cars and cars that are like 2013 era cars.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, very true.

• 1:05:14Matt Farah?

  So let's start with 2013 era cars. My answer is clear Aston Martin.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  A hundred, all day, every day.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Get a manual. Get a manual. Looks better, better interior, I think, at the time.

• 1:05:26Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, definitely back in the day. Now, today, today, brand new, I'm actually driving the Vantage S this week, but we'll leave that one out of it. Let's say current gen Gran Turismo versus current gen Vantage.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Still going Vantage.

• 1:05:40Matt Farah?

  Also Vantage.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, no, what, I think the better question is, no, even that, I was gonna say two years ago, actually, yeah, four years ago, before the Vantage, before the Aston updates to the interior.

• 1:05:49Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Then it's a tighter race because the, I think the exterior of the Aston was not as pretty, the interior was aging real bad. Maserati also wasn't that fresh, but that was closer.

• 1:06:01Matt Farah?

  You know, as the Grand, as a new Gran Turismo, given a sufficient cash on the hood. It's a two plus two. It's a little more relaxed and it's actually a very nice road car.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:06:15Matt Farah?

  It's also all wheel drive.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  Which depending on your climate may make a difference.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  It's really a cheap Porsche Turbo, if there's cash on the hood, which there should be.

• 1:06:23Matt Farah?

  It's a cheap. No. No.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  It's not as good.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  To cheap Bentley GT.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Yeah.

• 1:06:31Matt Farah?

  To cheap Bentley GT if there's cash on the hood. Yeah. Yeah. The Vantage is sport more sporting.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Matt Farah?

  Dungeons and Dotsons. Is it possible these high gas prices might boost EV sales? Oh, it is. It is possible. We talked about this last show. Americans seem to have kind of a short attention span when it comes to, it's literally come, it seems to come down to, how are the gas prices at the very moment I need a new car?

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or the very moment I'm buying gas.

• 1:07:02Matt Farah?

  Right. Um, uh, was it Jared Rosenholz? Did I send you the website from Car Buzz? Uh, shout out to him. Sent me an article, uh, after we talked about it before. Basically, if gas went to $4 a gallon nationally versus what it was today, the average F-150 hybrid, uh, excuse me, the average F-150 driver that has a 5-liter V8, the new F-150, would spend $1,000 a year more in gas than they're spending right now. Whereas if you have a Camry hybrid, you would spend something like $370 a year more than you were spending right now. If gas went from where it is today nationally to $4 a gallon.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  All right, there's, I want to go to the table.

• 1:07:49Matt Farah?

  There's the table, right?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  And then here, they had the second table which showed, here we go.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yearly fuel, so today, national average is 246. But last week it was, oh, excuse me, I'm sorry.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  So this is the difference if it went to 4.

• 1:08:07Matt Farah?

  Today it would cost you, uh, with today's fuel prices, the average driver, it would cost them $2,468 to fill up an F-150 for a year. Last week it would have only cost $2,127. So just from last week to today, it'll cost you $340 more this year to fill up your F-150. The difference in a Camry versus today versus last week is $1,090 today and $878 last week, so it'll cost you $211 more this year to fill up your Camry hybrid than it just this week, it'll cost you more this week from last week.

• 1:08:49Matt Farah?

  If it then goes to a $4 national average, the Camry driver will spend $374 more than today per year versus, and the F-150 driver will spend $1,078. So if gas goes to $5 a gallon, it'll cost $1,464 to fill up your Camry for a year, or $3,500 to fill up your F-150 for a year.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know, back to the question and your point, I think, like, it's only been, it's been like two weeks, so people might be, a few people might be thinking about buying an EV and going, "Oh shit, I should have done that." But for people to make a snap decision, sell their car, buy another car, like, it's a big effort, they're probably hoping, as we all are for many reasons, like, the conflict ends and prices go back to normal. Now, if this is seven months in and, you know, tens of thousands, or thousands of troops are there and it's like, "Oh, this is gonna be an eight-year situation," then people might start thinking about switching to a hybrid or EV. But even then, they're gonna have to do the math on, "How much more is this EV gonna cost versus the car I have? Can I get a used one?" Actually, David here was telling me that there was a Polestar 2 on Bring a Trailer

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  that went for like 12 grand.

• 1:10:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  That's an amazing buy.

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  So in that case, sure, but buying a new car, it might be too expensive.

• 1:10:08Matt Farah?

  So what would be very ironic to me would be if the Trump administration spent a year assaulting the idea of EVs, ensuring the tax credit goes away, finding this loophole so that the public chargers aren't built, only to enter us into an unforced war where gas gets so high that people are incentivized to buy EVs. That would be the most Trumpian loop of bullshit, you know what I mean?

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Of the week.

• 1:10:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Matt Farah?

  Fuck. I don't know, but I love having an electric car right now. Boy, fucking do I.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Like walking to work.

• 1:10:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, that too, right? Doug's De- Doug's De Naro.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  When it comes to finding parts for older cars, the Countach, for example, are you exclusively looking for new old stock? What if you can't find the parts you need? Are manufacturers required by law to produce parts for a certain period of time after the model is discontinued? I'll take the last part first, Doug. Yes, they are, and oftentimes they stop as soon as they're legally required.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  I think Audi makes parts for 10 years after the car stopped being made, other cars as well. So I have had the privilege of not having to personally look for parts for the Countach. Donnie did that, and now, now that I'm not working with Donnie anymore, Damian is doing that, and Damian's people are doing that. So fortunately, I don't have to do that. There are a pretty good number of resources for both new old stock and just new parts for old Italian cars. I think they're expensive, but they exist. Now, the hard one is Hannah's

• 1:12:08Matt Farah?

  Nissan Pow. That motherfucker, because it's rare, it's old, and it's also not valuable enough that it's worth like, an industry popping up to service its needs. You know, like, like at a certain point, Pirelli was forced to start making tires again. You know, people bitched, and Pirelli had to start making tires for Countaches and Diablo's and LM002s, which is great. Means now that we can drive our cars. For a long time, like, we couldn't. Or we, if we wanted to, it was shady. But with a POW, with a POW like, man, there's parts where like, you don't find that shit? Like, it's because it doesn't exist anymore, or you have to have something made or adapted.

• 1:12:54Matt Farah?

  You know, so.

• 1:12:56Speaker 01

  Real quick, Hemmings and shout out Mike Musto, they did an article, there actually is no law that exists that said, in the United States, that says companies have to keep making parts.

• 1:13:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, no way.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  But it seems like they, I mean, they do.

• 1:13:07Matt Farah?

  Chairman's agreement?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this is also why, you know, you type in a part number and it'll be the same Bosch number, or the same whatever number as other cars from other OEMs or other models. It's like, car companies don't want to re-engineer, or they don't want to have their suppliers re-engineer a solenoid, or a relay, or a window part, every new car.

• 1:13:26Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Like, that's cost prohibitive for everybody. So if they can keep it going, so it might seem like they're continuing to make parts for your car, your model of car.

• 1:13:34Matt Farah?

  But your part is probably in some other cars.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Probably in some other cars. So that, that's good. If it's more specific, like the POW.

• 1:13:39Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  That's trouble, you know.

• 1:13:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the POW, no, the POW is a weird one. The POW is how I spent, you know, $1,800 having a genius diagnose that my fucking blinker switch was fucked up, you know.

• 1:13:51Matt Farah?

  Is that the end? No.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  No, there's more.

• 1:13:53Matt Farah?

  No, no, no, no. Two cats, one car. Oh, no. Moving out of a city apartment, finally getting a place that has a garage again. I want a vintage fun car. Help me narrow down my choices. I've got 50 grand, a Land Rover Defender as a daily, and I live in South Carolina. Okay. E30 M3, Datsun 280Z, R32 Skyline GT-R, 996 Turbo 911 SC, Gen 2 or 3 Viper. Good run. I, I, there's a lot of value in this, in these choices.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:27Matt Farah?

  Lot of value. And you are in South Carolina? Boy, are you fortunate. South Carolina, they don't give a no fucks.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  R32 GT-R.

• 1:14:37Matt Farah?

  They don't give a no fucks. Japan is your oyster down in South Carolina. You are good to go. So, but here's the thing with South Carolina, not a lot of curves, not a lot of corners. So you're really looking for a car that's going to be fun when you're cruising in straightaways and sweepers and things like that.

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  I think that gets rid of the E30, that's a slow vehicle.

• 1:14:59Matt Farah?

  E30 M3 is gonna be out.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  I don't care who yells at me.

• 1:15:00Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be out, for sure.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  280Z.

• 1:15:03Matt Farah?

  Those bore me to tears. I can't, I can't be interested in one of those. Personally, I can't. 996 turbos are a good choice. Good choice for South Carolina. A 911 SC Targa, I love it in general. I don't think South Carolina is the most interesting place to own that particular car, but I can't hate on it. A Gen Viper.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  Now we're getting, I think.

• 1:15:29Matt Farah?

  A Gen, Gen 2 or 3 Viper is pretty fun for South Carolina.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  You get a lot of respect down there in one of them.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  They look, I saw one on the highway today and I went, damn, does that thing have presence on the road. You just have to make sure you're short enough to use it, meaning that you can see out the windshield.

• 1:15:46Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  That's important, but.

• 1:15:48Matt Farah?

  Make sure it's comfortable for you and I think that's a good value for money in South Carolina.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  So, for me, R32 GT-R, 996 Turbo or Viper, personally, having driven all of those, if you could get a great 996 Turbo for 50, which I'm not sure you can, but if you could, that would be great. 50 goes a pretty long way in an R32 Skyline.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:17Matt Farah?

  That gets you a nice car.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  That will feel similar to a 996 Turbo, like they do similar jobs, I think.

• 1:16:23Matt Farah?

  And furthermore, if you're willing to throw 50 at a JDM car, you could get some other shit that's real dope, too.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:16:30Matt Farah?

  You could get a very sick Supra that would just happen to be right-hand drive.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  You could get a chaser, you could get some crazy Ford or Sylvia stuff.

• 1:16:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:16:40Matt Farah?

  Pretty interesting stuff, if you're willing to go JDM. But...

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  I'd go between Viper and GTR, it really depends on their height. And what you want to do with the car, like, if you want to do big, big power stuff eventually, get the GTR, you know, put money into it and go do quarter mile or half mile shit.

• 1:16:56Matt Farah?

  I'd rather own a GTR than a Viper, having driven them both pretty extensively. My only hesitation in South Carolina would be who's gonna work on my GTR?

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:07Matt Farah?

  So, before you buy a JDM car in America, wherever the fuck you are, you need to make sure you have a fucking guy.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  Or gal, or whoever.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  You need a person that can fix it.

• 1:17:20Matt Farah?

  Preferably, honestly, preferably non-binary, I mean, honestly, preferably.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Not a robot.

• 1:17:23Matt Farah?

  If you're identifying as a gender, you're not thinking about my car.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:17:31Matt Farah?

  I need you to be asexual and non-binary and focused on fucking my head gasket, please.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  If I pull up and the dude's like, "What are your pronouns?", I'm like, "You're worried about the wrong thing, sir." I want you to focus on the tolerances of these pistons and the crank and all that stuff. Not a euphemism.

• 1:17:48Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. Username reimagined by Singer, with some sports cars nowadays being so refined, you don't have to work to drive them fast like cars in the 90s and 2000s, what new car would you like to be a little more unrefined?

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  BMW M cars.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  BMW M cars are a great, a great choice, but I would also like to be able to... I would also like to be able to... Well, so, unrefined is a good word, because I can place it wherever I would like. I'd like to remove all ADAS functions upon restart, that would make them more unrefined, technically.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  I think there's, I think, one of the problems, one of the things I'd remove is a lot of the NVH, because there's a lot of cars today that sound good outside the car, and we have to have the speakers talk to us because we can't hear the engine note because people have asked for a quieter car. So, choose your sports car, but, I mean, there's plenty of stuff that sounds rad when you roll the window down, and when you roll it up, you can't hear anything.

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  That's an interesting problem, right? It's like you people want their car to be more refined. They also want to hear the engine. They also don't want to hear the negative stuff. So what do you do? You know, they have to augment with with shit through the speakers or whatever. And it's it's usually when you turn that stuff off, you realize why it's there in the first place.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Well, it's because it's like they're trying to get rid of a lot of road noise, too. And that's how that's what a lot of the active noise cancelling is doing in a car. It's getting like there's microphones in some cars in the wheel wells and shit. It's cancelling these frequencies. But one of the byproducts of that is also muting the exhaust note, which is it can be a shame.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. LL Cartier. You had gone to your head, you have to take your wife on a date in a Mansori product. What would it be?

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  What is the longest car they make?

• 1:19:44Matt Farah?

  I don't. I'm not familiar with their. Can we pull up their website and see what their product range looks like today? I think they came up with something. I think they came up with something recently that wasn't as heinous as I've seen in the past. Well, that's not good. No, that's not.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  The Rolls Royce Cullinan is really bad.

• 1:20:07Matt Farah?

  Carbonato! That's a fucking awesome name.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  That it that sounds like a pasta dish. Wait, I'll go back to it.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  The Pierosongue, that's ugly. The Lamborghini Carbonaro.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Carbonato. Can I have cheese on the side, please?

• 1:20:18Matt Farah?

  It's like a pasta dish. The Konigsegg Jesko by Mansori. It doesn't look like they've done anything. That's what I would do.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  No, they've done a little too much.

• 1:20:25Matt Farah?

  Have they?

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because the Jesko looks pretty aggressive, but I think they added all of these many, many gills here.

• 1:20:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like I can't personally tell that Konigsegg hasn't done that. Like if I if you saw that, that, that's it.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  You would take her on the boat.

• 1:20:41Matt Farah?

  I would take my wife on a boat in the Pirelli 42 by Mansori, which is a rib boat. Semi rigid. And that look, it looks like it goes about 60.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  On the trip, we saw a Brabus boat.

• 1:20:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Remember that? It was like this. It was kind of like this.

• 1:20:58Matt Farah?

  It's got triple V12 offshores. God, that's terrible. Wow. The Equest... Oh, God. It's gone. It's all gone wrong.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  This is better. So, yeah. The Equestre, which is based on a Ferrari 12-cylinder.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  That's.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  It's very bad.

• 1:21:13Matt Farah?

  Brutal. Wow, that's so terrible. What are you?

• 1:21:19Matt Farah?

  Wait, is that real?

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Of course it is.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  That's a G-Wagon?

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Converted into a four-door convertible.

• 1:21:26Matt Farah?

  But it somehow looks like a chimney. They've made it look like a chimney.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  They messed up the proportions somehow.

• 1:21:31Matt Farah?

  Dude, it looks like a Chinese knockoff of itself.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  It does. It does. They've gone full circle.

• 1:21:36Matt Farah?

  Okay, I'm not gonna say the word, because we don't say the word anymore, but the word... The R-word is how it looks. It's, you know what I mean? Like, it's fucking, they've droopy-dogged it.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, there's all these like, there's angles here, it makes it, it's just a collision of carbon fiber.

• 1:21:58Matt Farah?

  Droopy-dog-ass Thailand fucking...

• 1:22:03Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole front looks like it's melting.

• 1:22:06Matt Farah?

  Oh my god, that's...

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  This is a fun game. Alright, so far, the Bentley Continental GT...

• 1:22:12Matt Farah?

  Oh wow, well, in black, it's...

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Is the most subtle.

• 1:22:14Matt Farah?

  It's a modicum of taste. Yeah, it's all black, that's why. That's perfect. The Mansory Initiate, from what I can see in this photo, which is apparently just an exterior silhouette, is perfect.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  They took a picture at night, that was good.

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  Oh no, these Rolls Royces are no-go. Oh god, what are they doing, what are they doing to G-Wagons?

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  This is called the Pug-nator.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  The Pug-nator?

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Pug-nator.

• 1:22:38Matt Farah?

  Pug-nator, Pug-nator, yeah.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  But if I'm, if I'm, if I'm buying an $800,000 car, is the image I want to think of a pug. Love that dog, we lived with one for four years, not the aesthetic I'm going for with it, with the car.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  800 Gs on a Ferrari?

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  They... Alright.

• 1:22:54Matt Farah?

  So listen, all these are bad, but one of them is a boat, and so you could, you know.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  I think I'm gonna go with your answer, I would take Sarah out in the Konigseg, because it looks like a spaceship, and it is. The rest of these are just, they've taken, yeah.

• 1:23:10Matt Farah?

  Truly extraordinary. Truly extraordinary.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Impressive, it's really impressive.

• 1:23:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Nugatory in Nagoya says, "I feel like Mitsubishi is circling the drain. Let's give them some love. What are the best Mitsubishi's of all time?"

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, every Evo?

• 1:23:29Matt Farah?

  Obviously, your Evo range and your Pajero Evo and your Eclipse GSX, you know, and its siblings.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  The Eagle?

• 1:23:39Matt Farah?

  There was, there was the, for a minute, the Diamante was some shit. You know, back in 93, a Diamante was like something.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  I liked the Galant when I was younger. I just thought it looked nice.

• 1:23:48Matt Farah?

  Galant VR4.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Pretty good-looking car. 3000 GT was alright.

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  But yeah.

• 1:23:56Matt Farah?

  Rye Pontiac Rye says, "The 25 WRX is doing a 0.0% APR, and the 26 WRX has reduced its price by 3,000 to 4,000 across the board. How are they valued, in your opinion?" I mean, the thing about the WRX is, it is a fabulous 6/10 car.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Matt Farah?

  It's such a 6/10 car.

• 1:24:19Speaker 01

  The problem with that is you can get that same amount of joy from a lot of other cars. So it's no longer unique in that way.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Like, it, it, it's break, when we had it at Performance Car of the Year, it was so soft. Like, this formula was dope in '02.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:37Matt Farah?

  In '02, you know, 225, 250 horsepower, all-wheel-drive, manual, light, that was sick.

• 1:24:44Speaker 01

  And rare.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  It's been the same, it's been the same shit since then, so like, it's not that this is a bad car. It's that it's a very soft car.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:54Matt Farah?

  And if you're trying to buy a car that's like a real sports car, it falls apart at like, pretty low levels of stress.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I've had more fun in a Civic SI, which is cheaper, because these start at 37 grand.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  That's crazy.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  And so you're getting, like...

• 1:25:11Matt Farah?

  What's an Elantra N?

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Elantra N is, ooh.

• 1:25:14Matt Farah?

  Same or less?

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  A little bit.

• 1:25:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, went up a little bit, like, same or less? And just smoking it?

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely destroying it. That starts at 35, cheaper, yeah.

• 1:25:26Matt Farah?

  The idea that you would buy a WRX today rather than an Elantra N is crazy.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  That is a wild thing, but like, people go, "All-wheel-drive, just, if you got good tires, front-wheel drive is gonna be fine."

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  That's the rule. Wow. And I think Subaru, they asked... Is Subaru ever considering the idea of an STI? I think there were some stories last week that Subaru put some patent docs in for something that looks a lot like a new STI, so.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, if they're going to be taken seriously as a performance brand, which I don't know if they care if they are.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  I mean, they make money selling Foresters and Outbacks and whatever, and you've heard my thoughts on the new Outback, they're not good. Anyway, let's go to Broken BMW Apologist. I'm headed to a car, wait, oh, okay. I'm headed to a car-related photo shoot. Our professional driver has had to cancel last second. The shoot team knows I've been doing high-performance driving and racing for a decade and have asked me to fill in as pro-driver. I feel a bit of imposter syndrome because obviously the goal of racing is not to power slide around corners on demand.

• 1:26:36Matt Farah?

  Any advice on how to approach power sliding a car on demand for camera? Yes. I do have advice.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  There's a lot, I think there's a lot to this question.

• 1:26:47Matt Farah?

  There's a lot to this question, and this is advice that is worn in blood. Not blood, but one very much totaled Audi R8 at the Anglicy Circuit.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  For people listening, this is great. You're pouring a whiskey, which is like, like I just asked a police officer of 40 years like for this story, and he's like, this night, and you crack it open.

• 1:27:07Matt Farah?

  All right, listen, here's the lesson I learned from Chris Harris, and I'm going to tell you. You don't learn to slide a corner in a car. Now, I assume you're, you're going to be driving a car that is not your car. Like, if this is, if this is your car, and you're, you know, familiar with how to slide your car, and the only difference is there's a camera there, that's a different question. Make sure the camera is in a very safe place.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  Make sure it's not in the impact zone, meaning on the outside of the corner unless they have a lot, like, if everything went really wrong on this corner, your energy's probably going to the outside of it, and make sure that camera is not in that spot.

• 1:27:47Matt Farah?

  Or it's looping to the inside just after the apex. If you overcook it and lose, so, so don't be in those two places.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:56Matt Farah?

  That's the photographer's side.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  And I will say real quick, and I'll let you go, like... This photography team, they may not be as experienced as you think they are. They may be very experienced, great, but you are gonna have to think about safety. And if they're putting you in a position that you feel is unsafe, you have to be able to tell them that.

• 1:28:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  And maybe explain why, because they might just go, "Oh, we shoot flowers and dogs a lot, why can't I stand here?" Because if I lose it here, I'm hitting you in the face with a car.

• 1:28:21Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  So just be comfortable doing that.

• 1:28:23Matt Farah?

  So, in my experience, and I say this as not being the best driver in the world. If you're the best driver in the world, if you're Lee Keane, if you're Chris Harris, you're probably not asking this question in the Smoke and Tire Podcast, so I'll assume you're not. Right? So here's what Chris taught me after I fucking crashed, and here's what I've done ever since and has worked. The way to learn how to slide a car around a corner is not to try to slide a car around a corner. The way to slide a car around a corner is to drive the car clean with traction control fully disabled until you go, and pushing yourself faster and faster and faster, and

• 1:29:03Matt Farah?

  braking into the corners harder and harder and harder, to load up your front end harder and harder and harder, so that eventually you get to a point where you turn in on that front end and the back steps out naturally. Where you're gonna have a problem is if you try to initiate a power slide on power, that's a less controllable slide. Whereas what you really want, and any drifting school would teach you this, but same here, is you want to be going quick enough that you gotta brake really hard. And braking really hard's gonna shift that weight forward. And you lay on that brake, and you are trail braking through the turn-in, so that as you're

• 1:29:47Matt Farah?

  turning in, that weight's on the nose so much that that's when the back end steps out for the slide. And by initiating your slide under braking, you have a much more controlled slide, that is really what you wanna be doing for the camera. So you don't... Just fucking sit at the entrance to the corner and try and power just because you're just gonna spin. It's just gonna be a mess. Instead, practice driving it clean. Go, okay, guys, photo team, we need our clean shots first. While you get your clean shots, you're going quicker and quicker and quicker until you find a point the car wants to oversteer

• 1:30:28Matt Farah?

  under braking, or you can make it oversteer under braking, and that's the start point for doing your slides. I think. Or don't listen to me because I don't fucking know shit. TST's new Peterbilt to Kenworth. It's a Kenworth. I'll only buy a Kenworth. You should watch Ice Road Truckers 2. It's crazy. The, oh, PSA, the Right to Repair Act was introduced in the House and needs enthusiast communities' help. Sign the petition. Is that the thing? What do they want people to do?

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Do, do, do, do, yeah. Tell your legislator to support it. So just go to the website. We'll put it in the show notes, but this comes up every year, unfortunately, and it's something that basically affects anyone who owns a car. So, yeah.

• 1:31:15Matt Farah?

  I don't know the answer to Carney Azonda's question, although you have a great username. Prayer of the Refugee Wagon with Montana plates. What would net the better driving and ownership experience, an older but well-maintained 911 or a newer Boxer Cayman that costs the same as an older 911? Lots of things to consider, but for the same entry price, what would you choose? Dude, this is a tough one, because it's...

• 1:31:47Matt Farah?

  I don't personally, and maybe this makes me elitist somehow, but I don't, I don't work backwards from my budget. I don't go, I have $40,000. That can get me a 2014 Cayman, or it can get me a 2006 911. Which should I buy?

• 1:32:07Matt Farah?

  I have a dream that one day my children that don't exist, uh, that, that I, I have a, I have a dream to own a car. That dream could be a long-term dream like the Countach. It could be a short-term dream like I drive Rick Demand's silver car and I go, fuck me, I've gotta have this. Or Lee Keane's car, we go, oh my God, I've gotta have this. But, but I have a dream, I fall in love with a car and then I figure out how to pay for it. So this question of what is the better driving owner experience, it's like

• 1:32:39Matt Farah?

  the, the, the, the quote owner experience is you have a Porsche, you have to maintain it at Porsche shops or maintain it yourself using Porsche parts. Like it's not that much more expensive to maintain a 911 than it is to maintain a Boxer. That's the argument against cheap Boxers and 944s and 968s and whatever the fuck, right? So like,

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  do you want a mid-engine car or do you want a 911? Like, you know, do you, do you, do you think differently than me on this?

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  No, I always think of the car first.

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  I don't go, I have this much money that I just want to spend on a car. What can I get? It's like, what has captured my imagination? And then can I find a car that costs this much? And if I, and then if I can't, what, uh, what cars are available in my budget range that would give me some of the same flavor?

• 1:33:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the question isn't what would approximate a 911 for 40 grand? Or what would approximate a Cayman? It's, it's,

• 1:33:39Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't want to dismiss a question that starts with budget and works backwards because so many of our questions start with budgets and work backwards. And almost everybody out in the real world does have a budget. But I just really want to impress on people that starting with a, it's weird to me personally. I have a budget, it might be higher than other people's, but I have a budget. I can't just fucking buy whatever.

• 1:34:04Matt Farah?

  I, I, like you, I start with a dream and then figure out a budget. So.

• 1:34:12Matt Farah?

  I, I, what, you know, what do you want? Do you want a newer Porsche mid-engined? You, or do you want an older Porsche rear-ended?

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  A 911, yeah.

• 1:34:19Matt Farah?

  They just feel different, like, uh, uh. I don't believe that a 911 is inherently better than a Cayman. It's not. In many ways, it's worse, actually. And obviously, I spent my money on a Boxer. I could have bought a 911. There's a million 911s I could have bought, but I bought a Boxer. And I love it, and it's fucking perfect. So like, I don't know. It's like, what's your dream? And, um, I mean, yes, you can buy a nicer, newer, more powerful Cayman for the same money than you can get 911. Sure. But like, that may not be the dream.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. The vibe will be different, this power will be different, the handling is different.

• 1:34:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  The cost of ownership will probably be different.

• 1:35:01Matt Farah?

  Re-education through working on shitboxes. That's very good.

• 1:35:06Matt Farah?

  Uh, I'm looking into E46M3 SMGs with the sole intention of manual swapping them. Uh, have either of you driven a swapped one? And is there anything notable or weird about them that could potentially make it worthwhile to just get the original? I haven't heard any real issues with manual swapping BMWs.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  I haven't either, if they're done by, if they're done the right way, with all the right parts. From what I've heard, they feel the same.

• 1:35:33Matt Farah?

  Well, and I don't think, so BMW, unlike Ferrari, like Ferrari only made a very small number of, let's, let's say, manual gearbox 599s. Like, parts don't exist. You know, Ferrari made a very small number, relatively speaking, of manual gearbox 430s.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:52Matt Farah?

  Like, the, the parts have been made by third parties, hopefully to factory spec, but like, maybe not. The BMW E46, there is no shortage of factory spec parts that are available to do this swap. Right?

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  You could, any part is available.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Because the companies, because BMW knows I need to be able to service my manual-equipped from the factory E46. So all the parts and all the little knickknacks and all the levers are available in case one of those fails on my car.

• 1:36:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's, is it Getrag? Who makes your gearbox?

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:36:27Matt Farah?

  And so the Getrag 6-speed, it's, it was used in other things. Other BMWs, other, other stuff, like in, in its basic form. So things like clutch cables and blah, blah, just like, all that shit just like exists for BMWs. So like, whereas the, you know, the limited number of Ferraris and like, back when I was investigating that shady ass company, I called Graziano because this company was alleging to me that they could do, uh, four, five, eight swaps and other, other manual Ferrari swaps. And they said that they had gearboxes coming from Graziano. Well, I called fucking Graziano and they had no idea who these people were.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:37:06Matt Farah?

  So like, you know what I mean? Like shit is not always above board.

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:11Matt Farah?

  But I suspect, and I, and I, and I mean this as suspect, that there are enough parts available to do an effective manual BMW swap.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  I think it's a known thing. I would just look on the forums and stuff and make sure there's no weirdness with like the computer, that, you know, the car came with an automatic. Does it get, does the engine get talked to by that transmission? And now is it getting confused? But probably not.

• 1:37:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, we've driven enough SMGs dude. I, I'll tell you that an SM, an SMG is straight trash.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  So bad.

• 1:37:40Matt Farah?

  Even, even our boy Peter's car and what a lovely man.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  It was amazing.

• 1:37:44Matt Farah?

  What a lovely man and what a lovely build, but like, you ain't fooling me motherfucker. Not with that. That shit is terrible.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  I was like, all this money?

• 1:37:53Matt Farah?

  That shit is so terrible.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  He wanted it to be like the one he had. I get it.

• 1:37:57Matt Farah?

  Bro, SM, SMG.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Swap it.

• 1:37:59Matt Farah?

  Garbage. Oh, man. Jacking off the record, if you were keeping a watch for life, would you care about the box and papers? No, I would not. No. I have watches that don't have box and papers. I don't give a fuck. It's money. Box and papers is, is money in, money out. You're gonna pay less upfront because the watch doesn't have box and papers. And then the guy you sell it to is gonna pay you less because it doesn't have box and papers. In between, that motherfucker's on your wrist. The box and papers, if they existed, are in some drawer somewhere, taking up space.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  And if I knew I was gonna keep the watch forever, forever, forever, then I wouldn't care about the box and papers because I would only have that if I'm like, maybe one day I'll sell this and I'll get more money for it.

• 1:38:40Matt Farah?

  Look, if you already have. Have the box and papers, you should keep them. There's not a reason not to keep them.

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  But I wouldn't seek out that watch with that stuff.

• 1:38:49Matt Farah?

  I understand why people want it. You buy a car with service records, buy a car with no service records. You know what I mean? You buy, you buy a car with no service records. It's gonna be 20% cheaper and you might have to do fucking whatever, right? And then you sell the car with service records and it's gonna bring less money because of the same exact reason. It's the same bullshit.

• 1:39:11Matt Farah?

  If you have them, great. If there's a watch you love that doesn't have them, price accordingly. You know, make sure it's not fake, you know, but there's fake boxes and fake service records like. You, you buy the seller, but in my opinion, like, no, if the watch is, if the watch is legit. It's a real watch, like whatever, like, oh, money in, money out. Yeah. Avenged Lotus Sevenfold, that's great. Uh, what's a normal car that a manufacturer could have made special? That's a very good question. And I think one of your examples is actually the one, the Honda Fit Type R. A Fit Type R would have been bananas. It would have been so fast, it absolutely would have ripped. I like that a lot.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, people, they race those things. They're, they're really, really fun. The Juke R was special, right?

• 1:40:00Matt Farah?

  The Juke R was absolutely special.

• 1:40:02Speaker 01

  So that one I wouldn't include, but yeah, a Fit Type R would have been sick.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Element Offroad, nah, that would have been slow and that would have been like an Outback. Who cares?

• 1:40:13Matt Farah?

  A normal car, I mean, I, I gotta give a shout out to Ford on this one, the Mach-E Rally.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:40:20Matt Farah?

  From a toaster to an unbelievably dynamic machine. That I would put up against a 911 Dakar in a rally scenario, any fucking day.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like put up against Jarako Rola, for sure. That's a good one.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  I would not call the Charger Hellcat normal.

• 1:40:37Matt Farah?

  No. Pontiac Simon Phoenix. So, by the way, I've, I've, if you come to the race, if you end up doing the, doing the race, I'm, I'm, I'm almost locked on a Durango Hellcat transport vehicle for us to get from the airport to the track because the, the Friday is practice quali day and you can run street legal vehicles and we could track test the Durango Hellcat at Road America, which would be really good. I did the, I did the Jeep Trackhawk at Road Atlanta and it was an unbelievably fun time.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, the Durango would be fun. Oh my god. Talk about gas consumption, bro.

• 1:41:20Matt Farah?

  It would be so bad.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Four miles per gallon, maybe?

• 1:41:23Matt Farah?

  It would be so bad. But Dodge is giving me a Charger for this road and track thing, the, the, the Desert 600, but they won't let me put it on the track. They say there's a track-ready one coming, but it's not this one and they don't want me to put it on the track. And I, I understand. I, I, I do understand and I'm not going to put it on the track. I want to drive it on the road trip, but I said, you know, like the week after that trip, I'm going to Road America. Do you have a Durango Hellcat in Chicago? Because I have to pick up three people at the airport, load all of their fucking shit and racing gear out to Wisconsin to the track and then I would need something to practice in on Friday

• 1:42:07Matt Farah?

  at Road America. And he's like, we have a Durango Hellcat for you.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  That, the sound of that on the long straight, oh man, you get to listen to that, that tune for a while.

• 1:42:18Matt Farah?

  Dude, we might, you might be passing race cars. It's, it is possible because the race cars are on track too.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they have way less horsepower.

• 1:42:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You're fucking, dude, you're, they, our race car is like 280 horsepower, 700 horsepower.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the end of the straight, it would definitely pass it. Power to weight be damned. Yeah, plus the, uh, all-wheel drive.

• 1:42:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it is so silly. Uh, Pontiac Simon Phoenix, last one, and then we're going to wrap this particular show and we'll save the rest for later. My brother's looking at a Taycan. He's convinced he wants an early model Turbo or Turbo S. I'm trying to convince him to get a newer base model. Anything that he would be missing going with this plan?

• 1:43:01Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:43:03Matt Farah?

  You, just my advice, you don't want a 20 or 21. You want a 22 and up, that's what I have. My car has been fine.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  But why do you not want that year?

• 1:43:15Matt Farah?

  The first year had really some issues.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Big, common bugs.

• 1:43:19Matt Farah?

  Battery problems and all, all kinds of crazy shit. And a lot of the cars were fixed, some of the cars were lemoned, but like, so, so I, I wouldn't get a 20 or 21. I wouldn't buy any of them, honestly. 22 and up, I think you're probably okay. Having said that, if, all Taycons are really fast, like even the base model. So, i- if you aren't used to very fast cars, a Taycan Turbo S is like riding a rocket. It's, it's, it's disturbingly fast, it will make you nauseous. People want what they want and they just want the fastest one. I, I get it.

• 1:44:02Matt Farah?

  You want to brag or whatever, scare your friends once or twice, I totally get it. Like, what I wouldn't do is talk someone out of the thing they want by saying they don't need it, because that's not how people buy cars.

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:16Matt Farah?

  But, but I would advise them against buying a 20 or a 21 and I would just say, "Look, a 4S 2022 is still like insanely fast, like just get that and you'll have a lot less issues, reliability, whatever." You know, de-badge it if you must.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Right, or get, or get him a turbo badge for Christmas. Because if he's looking at the, the bad year turbo, that means that whoever's selling it knows it's from a rough year, they're gonna unload it for cheap. And if he can, so, but if he's looking at like a 23 turbo and he can afford that versus like a 24, 25, you know, other ones.

• 1:44:51Matt Farah?

  Well, he says early model. Early model to me means 2021.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, then just send him the many, many forum post.

• 1:44:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the reliability stories are not great on those and, and, and 22 and up is substantially better. They, they, they refined a lot of stuff and, and.

• 1:45:09Matt Farah?

  Ours has been, ours is just one, but ours has been good. I haven't heard like crazy horror stories about, about them. So that's, I'd focus on reliability more so than you don't need a turbo because nobody wants to hear that shit. You know what I'm saying? The number of people I know that have cars far beyond the power that they're truly capable of handling is huge. It's basically everybody. So, yeah. Right? Yep. Right. That's our show. Thank you, everybody. We love you all. Thank you to our patrons for supporting us throughout the years. We certainly appreciate it. And thank you to everybody else for listening. We appreciate you as well. See you next time. Bye.