Perhaps Our Last Hour on Earth, with Katie Nolan and Michael Cruz Kayne

Civilization had a pretty good run. Will the astronauts be the last ones living? Will Jordon Hudson sue Pablo and/or beat him in a foot race? Could Sam Altman be bigger than Madoff and/or complete our curse on A. I.? And is your fiancé in the Epstein files? WHO KNOWS? But we f'd around and took your questions, live. So, come with us if you want to live. So mote it be. • Vote for PTFO at The Webby Awards: Best Sports Podcast https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/shows/sports + Experimental & Innovation https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2026/podcasts/features/experimental-innovation • Subscribe to "Casuals with Katie Nolan" https://pod.link/1788997372 • Watch Michael Cruz Kayne's special, "Sorry for Your Loss" https://watch.dropout.tv/videos/michael-cruz-kayne-sorry-for-your-loss — now streaming on Dropout TV • Further reading: "Sam Altman May Control Our Future — Can He Be Trusted?" https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may-control-our-future-can-he-be-trusted (Ronan Farrow & Andrew Maran Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:58Speaker 02

  Welcome to Pop Latore Finds Out. I am Pop Latore and today we're going to find out what this sound is.

• 2:24Pablo Torre?

  So that was, that was, I think justified.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Hilarious.

• 2:29Speaker 05

  One of my favorite bits of humor is the end of the world.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 2:35Speaker 04

  That was the big open you were talking about?

• 2:37Speaker 05

  It's nice to see you all.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Good to see you.

• 2:38Speaker 05

  In this time and place. I want, can I, can I acknowledge that we were told not to talk right before this, so I had kind of the giddy vibe of a surprise party.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Right, and then you, and then you.

• 2:46Speaker 05

  She's here, she's here, she's here.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  And then it was that.

• 2:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  So I was like getting ready to giggle, and then it was that.

• 2:51Speaker 05

  Surprise, big bomb sounds.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  So.

• 2:53Pablo Torre?

  I, I think this might, this might be the last thing we do together.

• 2:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  On the, on this plane.

• 3:00Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  But I'll see you in another, in another life, brother.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  I'll find you guys in every life.

• 3:05Speaker 05

  Find you in every life.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  I will.

• 3:06Pablo Torre?

  Should we just acknowledge the, by the way, Michael Cruz, Ken, Katie Nolan, thank you for being here.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  That's us.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  Are we live somewhere?

• 3:11Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, we are, I think we are live. Cortez is monitoring the chat. Parkey Cortez.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  What's up, chat?

• 3:16Pablo Torre?

  Update us. Hamburgers in the chat. We can play directly to goose the engagement to get this thing boosted in the algorithm.

• 3:23Speaker 05

  Boost, boost it.

• 3:24Pablo Torre?

  Hamburgers in the chat.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  I'm not going to participate in any of that part of it.

• 3:27Speaker 05

  I'm only, I'm that part only. I'm only responding to chat.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  No, I like, I like responding to chat.

• 3:33Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Telling them to put hamburgers in the chat.

• 3:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  I'm, I don't know what that is.

• 3:38Pablo Torre?

  I was convinced to not do the thing I wanted to do with you guys, which is a big investigative scheme of sorts. We're gonna, we're gonna table that.

• 3:45Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 3:46Pablo Torre?

  For the time being.

• 3:47Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 3:48Pablo Torre?

  Because we've been told over and over again on this show that we want to activate the F, the F-surround option, Pablo Torre F-surround.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:57Pablo Torre?

  And it happens to be that we chose that option on the day when the president did truth this.

• 4:04Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 4:05Pablo Torre?

  So I just want to acknowledge that in some ways, this is the worst timing for your friendly neighborhood podcast host. Who wants to read this, just to bring the audio audience in, when this makes it to the Apple Podcast app, if again, we don't do the thing that the first part of the sentence says?

• 4:24Speaker 05

  A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. Forty-seven years of extortion, corruption and death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran. That's my fucking dog, dude. I love that guy. He rules.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  Just, I don't know. I feel like we've done a good job of going about our days through a lot of stuff recently.

• 5:10Pablo Torre?

  We had a pretty good run despite everything.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  And, but today, I do think I reached my breaking point. Today, I think when I woke up and I got that push notification of, uh, got our president logged on to a social media network that only he uses, I think, and said and started a truth with a sentence of, "A civilization will end tonight." Made me like, I'm like sick this, what is going on? And is, is somebody gonna stop it? Like, what are we, what are, I feel like crushed under the weight of like, we, we gotta do something, but I don't know what it is. I don't understand how this, how we're here.

• 5:52Pablo Torre?

  So we're not gonna spend all of our time talking about this because I don't want to spend our last hour on earth talking about how we need to impeach.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  And thanks for bringing it up, I will say.

• 6:00Pablo Torre?

  I do think we should probably impeach this guy, though.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  The only thing I want to say about it.

• 6:04Pablo Torre?

  Again.

• 6:05Speaker 05

  The part of that tweet, or whatever you call it, that I really am fixated on is, all caps, "Who knows?"

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Who knows?

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Who knows?

• 6:14Speaker 04

  And I don't want that.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  I don't want that, but it, it could happen. It's like, uh, this is insane.

• 6:21Pablo Torre?

  It is, it is.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  Insane.

• 6:22Pablo Torre?

  It's the thing of like, I wanted to zag, and then it was like, I just want the documentary that someone is making about this to not have any ability to avoid the fact that we did acknowledge that we should probably get rid of this guy.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Is he talking about someone's making a documentary about this podcast?

• 6:40Pablo Torre?

  Oh yeah, there's a documentarian over there.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  About this, what's happening right now?

• 6:43Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 6:45Pablo Torre?

  It's also titled "The Last Dance."

• 6:47Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 6:48Pablo Torre?

  Um, there are four astronauts, by the way, on this, on this moon mission.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:53Pablo Torre?

  It's cool that they're gonna be the only people left.

• 6:55Speaker 05

  They could come back, like Planet of the Apes style, like come back to this planet, and it's all-

• 7:01Speaker 04

  They better be ready to repopulate.

• 7:03Speaker 05

  It's all whatever, and they're like, "Oh, when we get back to our home planet," and they realize, "Oh, this is your home planet."

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Just like in Twilight Zone.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  Okay, if you say so.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  Wasn't that in-

• 7:11Speaker 05

  But I would, I would love to be, now would be the time, of any time to be an astronaut, now would be the time, because at least you're out there.

• 7:17Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  And yes, you are, you know, your toilet don't work?

• 7:20Speaker 04

  They fixed it.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  They fixed it?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  They fixed it.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 7:22Speaker 04

  It was just for the first few hours, which you would hope they went before they left. You would hope they were like, "Hey, before we hop in the thing to go around the moon, everybody pee," you know? And so hopefully they didn't, it wasn't an emergency. They were instructed to pee in bags, which does seem easier for one of the types of astronauts and less easy for the other.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  But maybe they have, they must, by this point, they must have a, a, a bag that's a unisex bag, or maybe not, maybe two different bags that work equally well for each.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  Don't they, there's a, a mechanism you can purchase as a woman to pee outside.

• 7:56Pablo Torre?

  Like a little water slide.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  It's almost like a, it's like a cup, but with a-

• 8:00Pablo Torre?

  It's like a Wizinator, but for girls.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  What the hell's that?

• 8:03Speaker 05

  What's a Wizinator?

• 8:03Speaker 04

  What's a Wizinator?

• 8:04Pablo Torre?

  You guys know what the Wizinator is?

• 8:05Speaker 05

  Sound off in the chat if you know what a Wizinator is.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Hey, chat, what's a Wizinator?

• 8:08Pablo Torre?

  The Wizinator is a device that you can purchase.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 8:12Pablo Torre?

  That was used, I believe, and I, because we're live, I gotta Google the athlete's name who I believe used it.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 8:17Pablo Torre?

  It is in fact, uh, yes, former Minnesota Vikings running back Ontario Smith, who was caught in 2005 at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport with the original Wizinator. It's a prosthetic device designed to bypass drug tests.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, that's the part I was missing. I was like, what are we talking?

• 8:33Speaker 05

  I thought it was like a, I thought it was just a little pee pee luge.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  A piss gun?

• 8:35Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a fake penis, a bladder, and some static urine.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  No, that's not what I was talking about, but I would like to use that, actually.

• 8:43Pablo Torre?

  It's, it's- I mean, I'll show it to you. We can't.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  No, thanks.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  That's fine. You don't have to.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  So let's get into it.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  You could if you wanted to.

• 8:50Pablo Torre?

  Oh, look, hold on. The Wizner 5000 comes in natural, lifelike skin tones. Black, brown, Latino, tan, and white.

• 8:57Speaker 04

  Yo, they named him that?

• 8:59Speaker 05

  That doesn't sound right.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  They didn't just come up with like a

• 9:01Speaker 05

  That doesn't sound good.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  A better shade range than most makeup that comes out now. So that's

• 9:04Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, Michelangelo, Leonardo, Donatello, Raphael. So that is, uh, is not what they used.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:12Pablo Torre?

  I'm being told in my ear. Um, the, the chat is saying, did Jordon Hudson ever get around to suing any of the people in that studio?

• 9:19Speaker 04

  She doesn't, she hasn't even addressed me. I don't think she's ever talked to either of us.

• 9:22Speaker 05

  All, all her animosity, I believe, is pointed toward our friend Pablo.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  Which I do appreciate. Thank you, queen.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's correct about that.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  Right. We didn't do nothing. We're just here to

• 9:30Speaker 05

  I'm a, I'm a bi, I'm just here to go, oh, my god.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Wow, is that right?

• 9:34Speaker 05

  Are you kidding?

• 9:35Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 9:36Pablo Torre?

  That's what people say on the street. Are you the guy who said, oh, my god?

• 9:39Speaker 05

  Did you ever get sued by Jordon Hudson?

• 9:42Pablo Torre?

  Not yet. Although, again, time, if she's watching, time is

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Money.

• 9:47Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 9:48Speaker 05

  I maintain that she would be an excellent guest on this show and would be treated with the utmost respect if she were ever to participate in it.

• 9:55Pablo Torre?

  I agree. I sincerely agree. And I'd like to look into the camera. Can we, can we pull me? Yep, there it is.

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Geez, calling for his own camera.

• 10:02Pablo Torre?

  Jordon Hudson, you're officially invited back onto the show.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  She knows that. I think she knows that. I don't think she's like, I don't think he'd have me.

• 10:09Pablo Torre?

  Did you know that in the 160 years after the Civil War, US presidents fired 11 four and five star military officers? And in this first 14 months of Donald Trump, the White House has fired nine of them.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  So the 11 includes the nine? Or it's 11 and then nine more?

• 10:24Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 05

  The second one?

• 10:26Pablo Torre?

  Uh, oh, this is a good, this is a good fact checking question.

• 10:29Speaker 05

  We'll find out. Someone will know. Someone in the room will know.

• 10:31Pablo Torre?

  In the chat, can the chat fact check whether Donald Trump fired nine of the 11 four and five star military officers in the 160 years after the Civil War? Or if that number of 11 is non-inclusive

• 10:42Speaker 05

  Right.

• 10:43Pablo Torre?

  Of his personal.

• 10:44Speaker 05

  Because it's either like 45% of people, or it's like 90% of people, which either way, it's still a lot of the people. But I think the, I was talking about this today with someone. That guy lives in such like a bespoke reality, where like, we, you know, the siloing of everybody, all of our social media, etc. Like, he's getting reports that are only the things that people think he wants to hear, as opposed to every prior president who was getting what someone thought was the news.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  The important thing.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  He's getting like, whatever. So, he's doing, he's doing the right thing, as far as he knows.

• 11:21Pablo Torre?

  This reminds me of yet another viewer question that we got recently.

• 11:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 11:26Pablo Torre?

  We throw that on the screen. How would you rate the crowd work on @CruzKane's new stand-up special? Scale of 1 to 10.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  This reminded me, I was thinking about this same question. Now, um, you did a little crowd work.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  A tiny bit.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  But it wasn't a lot.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  No, I think, I think, well, I think what this person's referring to is a bit very early on in the show, where I say, I'm going, where I ask someone in the audience.

• 11:48Pablo Torre?

  I think this was a very significant piece of the show.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  I ask, I ask someone in the audience what their name is, and at this point-

• 11:55Pablo Torre?

  Well, do we have the clip?

• 11:57Speaker 05

  Okay, that's a little heavy. Um, let me lighten it up with some classic comedy stuff, like, um, you, sir, what's, what's your name? Pablo. Pablo, very good. Uh, that is my crowd work. Uh, so that part is kind of closed.

• 12:14Speaker 04

  I forgot about that. You didn't. You just played the clip where he says your name. It's absurd the way you feed into what everybody thinks you are.

• 12:23Pablo Torre?

  I think I nailed it.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  It's fucking crazy.

• 12:25Pablo Torre?

  The setup, as well as the dismount.

• 12:28Speaker 05

  I will also say that I did not, I swear to God, I did not mean to call on you. What happened there is, I looked in the first row, and the first person I saw was my neighbor.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  We were way too close. We were way too close to you.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  And then, so I just went to the next row, and I was like, well, I don't, I can't be searching for who to do this with. So then I just went to you, and boom, there you are.

• 12:44Pablo Torre?

  Katie and I were sitting next to each other.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Now there's evidence of that.

• 12:48Pablo Torre?

  And I, people in the chat are also saying that, uh-

• 12:51Speaker 04

  You have access to the chat?

• 12:53Pablo Torre?

  Well, Cortez is- Sending me what people are saying. I like Donald Trump, I'm getting a selected version

• 12:58Speaker 04

  Send me the chat Cortez.

• 12:59Pablo Torre?

  Of the reality that we inhabit.

• 13:01Speaker 05

  Write the chat on giant cue cards and press them up against the glass over there.

• 13:04Pablo Torre?

  People are saying that Katie's eye contact was not exactly that of someone who was engaged.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  If you listen to the episode that we did without you on my podcast, which I've since found out you didn't even care to listen to.

• 13:15Speaker 05

  Didn't even know she had a podcast.

• 13:16Pablo Torre?

  That is non-canonical.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Even though he commented like probably hard hands or something on the Instagram.

• 13:20Speaker 05

  I think he did actually. Because it's exactly hard hands.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Didn't even click play. I'm over here doing my makeup and streaming your show.

• 13:26Pablo Torre?

  That was my intern.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  And you're just like, "Good job everybody." But anyway, I was looking at one of the promo clips that you posted on Instagram and in the promo clip it cuts to an audience reaction shot and Pablo's like looking up and smiling and I'm like looking into middle distance and my first reaction was, "Am I on my phone?" And then my immediate second reaction was, "We were so close to you and you had called on him early and that there's no chance I would have pulled my phone out." Not because I'm a good person, but because I would have gotten caught and made fun of for it endlessly. So then I was like, "Why would I have been looking?" And my best explanation was that now that I go with Dan to his shows a lot and I'm in the back listening to the

• 14:10Speaker 04

  comedy, sometimes I just like zone out. Not like looking up at you. You weren't doing a lot of physical stuff.

• 14:17Speaker 05

  Not a lot of gymnastics in the set, okay.

• 14:18Speaker 04

  You know? And so I think I was probably just like staring into space and listening, which I... I'm sorry I checked my phone during your special. I don't know.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  You don't have to apologize to me. There's nothing to me more plausible than, I was so locked in that I was looking down the floor.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  I was locked in! And Pablo was locked in to the camera!

• 14:35Speaker 05

  I was so into what you were saying that I looked directly away from it. Nothing could be more plausible to me.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  How was the reaction to the special? Did you get all the flowers and praise that you wanted?

• 14:46Speaker 05

  Tons of flowers. Honestly, the community of people that surround Dropout, which is the company that produced this, is so like unbelievably supportive and positive.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Cool. They seem that way, so it's nice to hear.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  The only negativity in there at all is...

• 14:58Pablo Torre?

  From Katie's eye contact.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  No, none, is that in the thread of one of the clips... Clips that dropout posted, people are having a robust argument about veganism and they're really kind of going at each other.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  When something just kind of takes over a clip of yours, but the notifications stay the same. So you just watch people having an intense debate that has genuinely nothing to do with the original.

• 15:22Speaker 05

  Every two minutes I get an update about factory farming in a thing that is not really about that at all.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  At all.

• 15:27Pablo Torre?

  By contrast, what the PTFO community has asked us to look into, uh, do we have that next one here?

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  What? You could break it to Katie that Dan is parentheses technically in the Epstein files and I assume we're talking about Levitard?

• 15:45Pablo Torre?

  We are not.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Okay, what's up? Uh, what's going on? What is, what's happening?

• 15:49Speaker 05

  What is this?

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Somebody was, wasn't there a thing where they were looking at shows, comedy shows or something?

• 15:54Pablo Torre?

  Let the evidence decide.

• 15:55Speaker 04

  It's not, this is bullshit what you're doing. Yeah.

• 15:57Pablo Torre?

  Ah.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Okay, so it's Jeffrey Epstein to, from, we don't know, but it's to Jeffrey Epstein. It says this forward comedy seller, David Tell, comedy underground life. Shout out David Tell. Uh, this place is great. You'd love it with a smiley face and it's the comedy seller lineup. I assume for that night and I bet in there somewhere is Dan's name.

• 16:17Speaker 05

  Are we gonna scroll down and see Dan's name?

• 16:19Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 16:19Pablo Torre?

  I think they're gonna attempt to scroll down. Oh, there it is.

• 16:21Speaker 04

  Oh, here we go. Damn.

• 16:22Speaker 05

  There he is.

• 16:23Pablo Torre?

  Damn, what does it feel like to be engaged to someone who may have made Jeffrey Epstein laugh uproariously?

• 16:29Speaker 04

  Oh, it's tough. It's a tough.

• 16:31Speaker 05

  It's confusing feeling.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  It's a tough thought, you know, but I do think Dan really, uh, likes to make anybody laugh and unfortunately.

• 16:38Speaker 05

  Speaking on behalf of Dan.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, if I may, Dan said that he values all of his fans, especially Jeffrey Epstein.

• 16:43Pablo Torre?

  All fans matter.

• 16:44Speaker 04

  That's right. That's exactly what he said. Quote him on that. Dan Soder, all fans matter, especially Jeffrey Epstein.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Did you guys see in the Epstein files where they talk about the black eyed peas?

• 16:52Speaker 04

  I didn't look at these things at all. I know what's in them. I don't know. I don't need to see it. I don't, are we all digging through them?

• 16:59Speaker 05

  I was thinking, but I have a friend who, I have a friend who is, who like will come.

• 17:03Pablo Torre?

  One of the black eyed peas?

• 17:04Speaker 05

  I wish. Oh, my God.

• 17:05Pablo Torre?

  Apple de app.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  Ah, nobody knows him. That's my line.

• 17:09Pablo Torre?

  He's the Filipino one.

• 17:10Speaker 05

  What are you nuts?

• 17:11Speaker 04

  Fuck, of course.

• 17:12Speaker 05

  He's the most known one. Who are the other ones?

• 17:14Speaker 04

  How do you even say apple de app?

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Yes, apple, I believe it's apple de app. Pronounced as almost as if there's an apostrophe.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  And then will I am, and then Fergie, who's the, who are we missing?

• 17:23Pablo Torre?

  Oh, the Matrix guy?

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 05

  Might be Matrix guy.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  It's uh

• 17:27Speaker 05

  Which I guess is his name?

• 17:28Speaker 04

  It's like hm hm. That's the way, that's the syllables of it.

• 17:31Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Short syllable letter.

• 17:32Pablo Torre?

  Taboo!

• 17:33Speaker 05

  Taboo!

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Couldn't have been more wrong.

• 17:35Pablo Torre?

  Matrix guy.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  But um, they talk about the Black Eyed Peas. Okay, what was I gonna say is that I have a friend who is reading the files, just like leisurely, like just like, I have nothing to do for the next few hours, I'm gonna just dive in and read the files. So if I see her, I'll be like, what'd you do today? And she'll be like, I went for a walk, the files for a couple hours, went to the gym, that kind of thing. And she drew my attention to the fact that the Black Eyed Peas, someone is really trying to get Ghislaine Maxwell to listen to the Black Eyed Peas, and that's just kind of a fun thing that happens.

• 18:05Speaker 04

  Oh, just a fun wrinkle.

• 18:06Speaker 05

  Some things in the Epstein files are like kind of...

• 18:08Speaker 04

  Sure, and I, and I would be more inclined to be interested in them if the rest of it didn't make me wanna...

• 18:14Speaker 05

  And absolutely fair. I think that is totally fair.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  You know, so I'm doing my best to avoid all stuff that makes me wanna... Because it's a lot, I have, it's a tough time to be depressed, you guys.

• 18:24Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 18:25Speaker 04

  It's just not like, it's not chill right now. It's, I'm not looking out at the world and going like, gonna be okay.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  I feel, I guess it's probably worse.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Everything feels really heavy and [BLEEP], so...

• 18:35Pablo Torre?

  I think it's fair to say also that like, as the Epstein files are concerned, just being in them is not proof of anything. Sometimes people are just in it because they got recommended, because Jeffrey Epstein has friends that are saying like, oh, you should look at this cool thing.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:48Pablo Torre?

  And they have like...

• 18:49Speaker 04

  Why, are you in there too? Yeah, of course.

• 18:52Speaker 05

  There he is!

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Isolation play, it isn't Kobe's taunts or humiliating viral videos that have made this the toughest year of Jeremy Lin's life. Do you remember writing that?

• 19:01Pablo Torre?

  Uh, so this, this is allegedly, uh, this is like a roundup of, this is a flipboard email that Jeffrey Epstein...

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Flipboard!

• 19:09Speaker 04

  Remember that?

• 19:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:11Pablo Torre?

  Uh, I wrote an article about Jeremy Lin.

• 19:14Speaker 05

  My man!

• 19:14Speaker 04

  You're gonna say about Jeffrey Epstein.

• 19:15Pablo Torre?

  About Jeffrey Epstein. Uh, about Jeremy Lin, and what seems to be completely innocent, like, just email, is admittedly undercut by the fact that it's above...

• 19:28Pablo Torre?

  Eight perfect getaways with outdoor showers.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  So wait, what am I looking at? How this is in the files? Someone in Jeffrey Epstein's circle.

• 19:35Pablo Torre?

  I think his Flipboard account got me my writing in there. So.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Fun.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Did it get the fact that I on Facebook have DM'd Jeremy Lin probably 400 times? I haven't in the last few years, but he used to post Facebook stories. He doesn't anymore, but when he posted Facebook stories, I responded to the stories being like, "Go get him, man." You know what I mean? Just stuff like that.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  On purpose?

• 20:01Speaker 05

  You're doing, you're doing it.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 20:03Speaker 05

  No, just little positive affirmations for my boy Jeremy.

• 20:05Pablo Torre?

  Ever hit with the hard hands?

• 20:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, he never hit me with anything. He had no, no response ever. And you know, more power to him. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have either if I were him. But I was just trying, you know?

• 20:14Speaker 04

  That's really cute.

• 20:14Speaker 05

  You're out there, you're out there in China, you're doing it.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  As been on the receiving end of those, when you post a story, one person responds all the time with little messages.

• 20:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  That's like such a nicer version of it.

• 20:24Speaker 05

  Okay, thank you.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  It's like scary.

• 20:25Speaker 05

  It's creepy a little bit.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  It happens to other people too.

• 20:28Pablo Torre?

  But just to confirm, you are reading all of the things?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  No, not anymore. No, not anymore. I'm not allowed to. I gotta read books instead. I gotta,

• 20:35Speaker 05

  The only thing.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  Trying to stay off this thing.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  It's in her lap.

• 20:40Pablo Torre?

  The phone that has the article about Sam Altman on it that I did read.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  And I thought I got really deep into that article.

• 20:45Pablo Torre?

  Well, we have another question. We have another question from the viewers.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 20:50Speaker 05

  Oh, here we go.

• 20:50Pablo Torre?

  Thoughts on Sam Altman? More to possibly find out? Question mark. I do think that if you haven't read the Giant New Yorker article that is co-written by Ronan Farrow.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  I've read 40,000 words of it, which I think is 4%.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  I thought it was more than enough, and then I found out it's, there's a lot more.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, we've talked about this, I think, on this podcast before, but when you're scrolling and the little cursor, you like, you go like this.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 05

  The little cursor goes, you're like, I'm not gonna get to the end of this, I don't think. I'm gonna try.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  And so much has happened in the little words I've read. It's like, well, I must be towards the end of this article. And it's like, girl, you haven't even started scratching the surface.

• 21:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:23Pablo Torre?

  The quote that I think we can just like pull out for everybody to just like not read it, but get the sense of, is quote, "I think there's a small but real chance he's eventually remembered as a Bernie Madoff or Sam Bankman-Fried level scammer." End quote.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was focused in on that, the quote about him being a sociopath.

• 21:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think if it's Bernie Madoff, it's gonna be like Bernie Madoff for the whole economy.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, because he really did. Yeah. Well, it's bigger than that.

• 21:51Speaker 05

  Bigger than Madoff.

• 21:51Pablo Torre?

  Which, which brings up, I think, our... This is a thing that I think we have some culpability for.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Me?

• 21:58Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 21:58Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 21:59Pablo Torre?

  Well, me and you and not Katie.

• 22:00Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  What the heck?

• 22:02Speaker 04

  Love the way this sounds. More of this.

• 22:04Pablo Torre?

  So, on Halloween, people who are in the chat may remember this.

• 22:10Speaker 05

  Hmm, I see where we're going.

• 22:11Pablo Torre?

  Throw burgers in the chat because Michael Cruz Kane was dressed as a burger. Uh, we invited a literal witch to the studio.

• 22:19Pablo Torre?

  And I was dressed as a tree, I think. Um, remember the witch's name? The award-winning witch?

• 22:24Speaker 05

  Oh, man. I wish that I did, but I don't.

• 22:26Pablo Torre?

  Lexa Rosiapp.

• 22:28Speaker 05

  Oh, of course.

• 22:29Pablo Torre?

  Village Voice.

• 22:31Speaker 05

  I liked her very much. I'll tell you that much.

• 22:33Pablo Torre?

  Award-winning witch. Um, Michael had a suggestion, and we decided not to curse a specific person, but rather an entire... So with this, uh, dramatic music playing underneath us in our post-production

• 22:49Speaker 05

  Yes, it will be there.

• 22:50Pablo Torre?

  edit, what do we need to do?

• 22:53Speaker 06

  Oh goddess fortuna, we ask you to protect the fate of mankind and to turn the fortune of AI, cause it to slip up and fail so that it cannot harm humanity.

• 23:15Speaker 06

  So mote it be.

• 23:18Speaker 06

  So mote it be.

• 23:22Speaker 06

  So mote it be. Do you guys want to add any words to that?

• 23:26Pablo Torre?

  May humans...

• 23:30Pablo Torre?

  Masturbate the old fashioned way.

• 23:32Speaker 06

  Amen. So moated B.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  And that's beautiful.

• 23:34Speaker 06

  That is beautiful.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  So moated B. And, you know, may, uh, may humans reign over technology and not the reverse.

• 23:45Pablo Torre?

  So moated B.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  And what are we saying there? So moed it B?

• 23:50Speaker 05

  I believe it's mote, and I have no answers for you on that.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  So moed it B?

• 23:54Speaker 05

  I'm just saying, whatever, whatever that gal said, I'm going, that must be right.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  So moed it B.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  Can I also say something else about that? Episode that I may have never talked to you about. At the end of that episode, that witch.

• 24:04Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  How dare you?

• 24:06Speaker 05

  Not derogatory. Not actually complimentary.

• 24:08Pablo Torre?

  Lexa, Rosie Anne.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  Told us a very specific way to dispose of the [BLEEP] that she gave us.

• 24:14Pablo Torre?

  So we had, so she was, we had created a, a, due to a list of ingredients, a, a, a witch's brew of sorts?

• 24:21Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. And she said, this has to be disposed of, I think, like, at the base of a tree. And I'm leaving the studio, and these guys are like, let's just pour it in the, I'm like, [BLEEP] no, no, no, no. No. So I, I ultimately did not see what happened to that stuff. But if anything goes bad with this AI, I think it's totally possible that one of these dudes just threw it down the toilet or something. You know what I mean?

• 24:43Pablo Torre?

  Like Ryan Cortez.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Why didn't you take it down to a tree yourself then? You were leaving the building.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't want to be, I don't, I didn't want.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  It's already too late for that.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  I'm not the one.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  So moed it B.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  So moed it B.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  You gotta take the stuff outside, pour it on a tree.

• 24:57Pablo Torre?

  Maybe I should have. It had been, the mote had been already.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  You guys are reckless when I'm not here.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  I'm just saying that, we're gonna remember, we're doing an investig-, Pablo will find out about that.

• 25:03Pablo Torre?

  I, I, I, I think, I think it's working.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Could be.

• 25:08Pablo Torre?

  Or the opposite. It is hard to tell whether AI is being undermined by our spell or is taking over everything and in fact is succeeding.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  What sucks about all of this, all the time now, is that it's either the biggest deal on earth or a bunch of nothing. Everything now is either like, wow, the president either just said he's gonna basically nuke a country, or he's just talking and nothing's gonna happen and it's just to manipulate the markets. Or it's like, the entire economy is wrapped up in. AI, AI is coming, it's gonna take all your jobs. Or it, we don't actually have the tech and they're scrambling to keep. Everything is like, I, I just feel like so quickly. We knew what stuff was and we knew like that is that. And that's a, this is a table and it will always be a table. And I just feel like now everything is a question mark.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  Which makes it harder to have any linear thoughts because you're like, they can't, you can't build anything on. You're both looking at me like I'm.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  No, no, I'm with that totally. The way that I feel, the way, no, I'm with that.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Okay, okay, I'm just, I'm just, it's a tough day.

• 26:10Speaker 05

  The way that.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  So motive B.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  So motive B.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  So motive C.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  The way I feel in that is I have, I was reading an article about. Um, a woman in Tehran who's talking about like, you know, how scared she is. And she's like, I think Donald Trump has lost his mind. And they were basically asking her, what are you gonna do? Like, you're gonna move out of Tehran or where, like, where will you go? And she's like, ah, I mean, what am I gonna do? I'm just kind of here, here's where I live. There's not really a place to go that feels safer than this, so this is where I'm gonna be at. And that's kind of my mind, perhaps not productively is like, well, this is, I, this, this is the world that I got.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  No, I mean, I've, I have been trying to make my world small, but that, it just feels very selfish. And it's also not good, uh, podcast discussion, but it's been like, if this is, if this is how it's gonna be here outside. Then like when I'm inside with my dog and Dan, we just like, do a lot of like. I don't know, telling each other that we love each other and like hanging out with our dog and like smiling and making each other laugh.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  Doing puzzles.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Doing puzzles, I gave you a puzzle.

• 27:07Pablo Torre?

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• 28:42Pablo Torre?

  Can I read you guys another quote from the Sam Altman story? Please, please. Because I think the whole thing of it's either the biggest thing or it's also maybe nothing. Nothing, yeah. It brings us to a part of that piece, which is specifically resonant to viewers of this program, perhaps people who've been watching and listening since November of 2023. When we brought up something that I will quote this article in discussing. Quote, "It was announced that Altman had joined the advisory board for NEOM." Oh, boy. "A city of the future that Mohammed bin Salman hoped to build in the desert." "Sam, you cannot be on this board." The policy director, who now works at Anthropic, recalled telling Altman and was on to say

• 29:25Pablo Torre?

  that basically he was unconcerned with the moral consequences, mostly about whether he could get away with this stuff allegedly.

• 29:32Pablo Torre?

  NEOM, a city of the future. Katie, do you have any brief way of explaining what NEOM is?

• 29:42Speaker 04

  Was supposed to be.

• 29:44Pablo Torre?

  Supposed to be.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Okay, so when I brought it to you, it's because I had seen a commercial for it, or something.

• 29:48Pablo Torre?

  Yes, there were commercials all the time.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  It was promised as this city in the desert, in Saudi Arabia, I believe.

• 29:56Speaker 05

  Were you over there when you saw the commercials, or where were you?

• 29:58Speaker 04

  Why would I have been over there?

• 30:00Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  The Comedy Festival.

• 30:02Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  No, uh, no. The, um, it was here, it was, uh, during a sporting event. Which is why I brought it to Pablo, because I was like, they advertise during sports. I do this to him a lot. I keep sending him, "He gets us." I'm like, "Figure out who runs this, what this is."

• 30:18Speaker 05

  I am, yeah, I want to know.

• 30:19Speaker 04

  But the, the, this, the NEOM was like, it's supposed to be like a, a high-tech city. One of the aspects of it was something called the Line, which was gonna be this big, long, I don't remember how many miles, uh, uh, city that had like, you know, again, the outside visual of it, it just looked like a wall, but inside it was this, obviously not real, but it was like a sprawling ecosystem with greens and a high-speed train that would run from one end to another. You would live there and go down to the train and then you'd go to your job. It was a self-sustaining city in the middle of a desert.

• 30:54Pablo Torre?

  In fact, I just need to clarify, Katie in no way, Michael, is exaggerating because it was advertised as this.

• 31:03Speaker 08

  What is NEOM?

• 31:06Speaker 08

  This is NEOM, or here, to be more precise, in the northwest of Saudi Arabia. But NEOM is more than a place. It's a home for people who dream big. Bigger than that. That's more like it. It'll be a hub for innovation, an entirely new model for sustainable living. The vision for a new future. In fact, that's how it got its name. But what will be there? There's Oxygon, a thriving city at the crossroads of the world. Where advanced manufacturing will enable industries of the future. Trojana, a year-round mountain destination. And just remember to pack your skis when you visit. Or skiing's not your thing.

• 31:49Speaker 08

  There's always Sindala, one of Neom's many beautiful islands. Perfect for some R and R. And a line, a 500-meter-high, 200-meter-wide, 170-kilometer-long city in the shape of, well, a line. No roads, cars, or emissions. And everything its 9 million residents could ever need within a five-minute walk.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  You know, regular stuff.

• 32:15Speaker 05

  I mean, that's like post-apocalyptic is what it feels like. I feel like this is what this is.

• 32:18Speaker 04

  It was sold as an investment in a different type of energy. I think it was something like they had noticed that obviously most of their wealth came from an unsustainable type of energy. And so in the, at some point, they're gonna have to take a step towards the future to coming up with other sorts of renewable energy sources. That's how it was sold. At this point.

• 32:40Pablo Torre?

  Yes, at this point.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  They've abandoned, they actually, remember they said there was gonna be a bunch of, like, world sporting events, not big ones like the Olympics or anything, but like, maybe like a beach soccer tournament or something? They had given it to that fake city that wasn't even built yet. They were like, yeah, they're gonna have the 2032 or something crazy. At this point, I think it might just be a data center?

• 33:03Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, so according to the Financial Times, this very ambitious project, this was one of the crown jewels of the Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman, it, yeah, has been significantly downscaled and it is likely to be converted into a hub for data centers.

• 33:18Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 33:19Pablo Torre?

  Woo! Due to tightening liquidity after a decade of massive spending and subdued oil prices, which are definitely gonna get better on account of us, again, just to quote the earlier president, yeah, the whole civilization dying tonight, never to be brought back again, possibly.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  So wait, was it, was it understood that the money from OpenAI would help to fund this, or there was just kind of like a...

• 33:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, what was it? Go over that relationship for us again?

• 33:44Pablo Torre?

  It was that he would be on the advisory board.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  And what is that? What is that ever?

• 33:50Pablo Torre?

  You are asking questions that I don't think Sam Altman himself necessarily asked as rigorously.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  The blip over there at OpenAI is what they call it, right? When Sam Altman was removed because the board members decided that originally they had said that somebody of like high moral standing would have to be in charge of what they're building. Because listen, if you're gonna build something ambitious, like AI is supposed to be, it's intelligence that will exceed human capabilities. It has to be in the hands of somebody who can be trusted with that sort of tech. And so I think what I remember hearing is that the board agreed that he was not that guy, that he started to show signs of being concerning, he would lie a lot, he was...

• 34:36Pablo Torre?

  He was characterized as both this very special combination of people pleaser, but guy who was lying all the time.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Right. And so it was a, which you know, they're not always mutually exclusive. And so it was like, so they removed him. And then through some miraculous power play, he makes his way back in. Not only that, removes the people from the board who had initially started the moving of him. And so then he's just, you know, back.

• 35:05Pablo Torre?

  Because it seems like what, there was no catastrophic event that preceded him being removed?

• 35:08Speaker 04

  No, it was just them going...

• 35:10Pablo Torre?

  Other than people were like, this guy seems kind of [BLEEP] up.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  We have always said that if it's a guy who seems kind of [BLEEP] up, we should get him out and put somebody else in. Then they took action towards doing that. And then because of the effect on like markets and business going like, well, if Sam's not in charge, we don't want to be in charge. And then he got everybody to sign that thing that said they wanted him in charge. And then he comes back in charge and immediately goes, well, I don't want to be in charge if these people who tried to oust me are here, so then they're gone.

• 35:34Pablo Torre?

  Which I guess kind of makes sense.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  I guess, but it's also like, at what point do you go, yeah, well, that was their chance to take out the guy that wasn't right to hold the button? And now he's gonna hold the button as tight as humanly possible? Um, I just, I don't know. I guess I've just wished that if these evil people were gonna be in charge of all this important tech, they'd at least be cool and have good taste. And they all just seem to be damp and weird.

• 35:56Speaker 05

  It's not gonna happen for you, bro. It's not gonna work out that way.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  None of them are ever like, whoa, at least he's cool.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  But I don't, I just, I guess, I just don't, I don't believe that it's going to work. I don't believe in AI. I don't think, like, I think some, it will make some things incrementally more efficient and better in some ways, but most things, I think it's like souped up Google and that's really kind of it.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  But then if that's the case, then our economy's gonna crash.

• 36:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I think is gonna happen. I think that.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  So either way, we're fucked. That's my favorite part. That's what I think is cool.

• 36:24Pablo Torre?

  I think coding has already been basically fundamentally replaced by AI in many key aspects, but the whole promise of what it is, it's, in some ways, the best advertising is the apocalypse because it's so impactful that it will create potentially the apocalypse. And what if, in fact, the reality is that, oh no, it's just underwhelming.

• 36:44Speaker 05

  But the problem, even with coding, I know you're trying to move on, even with coding...

• 36:46Speaker 04

  I sense that you wanna not talk about this anymore.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Even with coding, like, someone's gonna have to be, have accountability for when the AI [bleep] up the code. You know what I mean? Which it will do. It's going to make a mistake. And so...

• 36:57Speaker 04

  What makes you think that somebody will have to be accountable?

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Well, just like, who are you gonna blame? When the, when, when it does, when the hospitals all, the power goes out at all the hospitals because we, you know, we let...

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Immigrants, I would guess, is who they'll blame.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they're gonna...

• 37:10Speaker 04

  If I had to make an educated guess, it would be immigrants.

• 37:14Speaker 05

  You might be right. But it just, it feels like, at some point, there's gonna be a human that is gonna take all this [bleep] for that. And it's almost...

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Aho.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  It's gonna be a while before it's the guy at the top. It's gonna be like, some dude in the middle who's like, you're the AI, you're the overseer, and now that AI is doing coding for 7,000 projects that used to be done by 7,000 people, you're the one guy who has to oversee all 7,000 of those projects, and you can't do it. It's not possible.

• 37:38Pablo Torre?

  As always, I wanna reiterate that our house theory, our house clubhouse leading theory, is that AI is, in fact, 60 Filipino guys.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  And I, I love it. And for, and to those guys, salamat.

• 37:51Pablo Torre?

  Yes. By the way, I was late in getting to this, but someone in the chat said, quote, "My uncle had a whizinator that he would share and had makeup to alter it."

• 38:00Speaker 04

  Wait, in case, in case what? Oh, because he would share it.

• 38:03Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Yo, what? So what?

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Hey Doug, can I borrow your Wisinator? That's gonna be a no.

• 38:09Pablo Torre?

  Um.

• 38:10Speaker 05

  Buy your own.

• 38:10Pablo Torre?

  We do have to get, though, to the aforementioned protagonist arguably of the shows we do together. Do we have the latest from Jordon Hudson?

• 38:19Speaker 04

  No, what, really?

• 38:21Pablo Torre?

  Do we have?

• 38:21Speaker 05

  We have to.

• 38:22Pablo Torre?

  Oh, no.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Who would win in a footrace, Pablo or Jordaan? Well, I've never seen her in a flat shoe, I don't think.

• 38:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, but she's an athlete.

• 38:31Pablo Torre?

  Well.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  No offense to my friend. But she's, she's, she's done like a bunch of flips and I know she could do that.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, but his calves are.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  That's, but that's, that's genetic. It's not, it could be, that could be, there might be any muscle in there. Sometimes, sometimes the Filipino just had these secretly thick ass calves. You're like, what is that good for? And the answer is, sometimes nothing.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Did you see UNC basically did it again, by the way? They hired their basketball coach and it's a pro, a coach with pro experience and not a lot of.

• 38:57Pablo Torre?

  Michael Malone?

• 38:57Speaker 05

  Who's dating, you guys heard this, right? He's dating Jordon Hudson.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  It all comes back to Jordan.

• 39:04Pablo Torre?

  She is, for the record, a national champion cheerleader.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  I think she, I think she would stomp your ass in a race, I'm saying it.

• 39:12Pablo Torre?

  I mean, this was, this was last month.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Gold digger got paid, hashtag paid, hashtag gold digger. She does a lot in the cop, in the captions. She does a lot with hashtags. She's writing in a way that like she's got a dedic, it almost reminds me of, God, what was that girl's name who went to those schools abroad and she, Caroline?

• 39:34Pablo Torre?

  Callaway?

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Yep. This, she's got a little Caroline Callaway to her, where you're just like, who's the, who's this for?

• 39:40Speaker 05

  What did she, what, what, what were we, what were we, what did she win? What was that?

• 39:43Speaker 04

  The, the gold digger.

• 39:45Speaker 05

  That can't be what it's called.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  I have no idea, but that's, you look to the caption to go, what was the name of the event? And instead you'll just find Pablo's name and.

• 39:54Pablo Torre?

  She won the national cheerleading championship for adults?

• 39:59Speaker 04

  That can't be what it's called.

• 40:00Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  The NCCFA?

• 40:03Speaker 05

  National Cheerleading Championship for Adults. Gotta be.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Ones of contestants in that.

• 40:10Pablo Torre?

  Her cheerleading squad is named Code Black. And, uh, yeah, it's a national cheerleading championship, guys. I don't know.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  And congrats to her. I don't have any issue with her doing this. This is great.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  I would like to see that race, though. I would pay for the race.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  I think she would win.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  I do, too. No offense to you.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  She is, you know, I know there's a question mark and a, and a shroud of secrecy around. I do think she is younger than you. I know at least she's younger than you.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, and she's gonna be, she's gonna be full body fitness. She's probably running every day.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  She's been working out. You walk home, which is a long walk.

• 40:39Pablo Torre?

  I do. I do love a walk.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  You might be here on a walk. If we said, look, you got, who's gonna walk the furthest? I bet you would walk farther.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:46Pablo Torre?

  Can we turn our attention to the other person that we've been looking into at North Carolina?

• 40:50Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 40:51Pablo Torre?

  Which is, of course, general manager.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Oh, Jesus.

• 40:53Pablo Torre?

  Michael Lombardi.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  What do we got on him?

• 40:55Pablo Torre?

  So I wanna shout out Foye Ball. This is David Cavucci.

• 40:58Speaker 04

  Goodfellas.

• 41:00Pablo Torre?

  His Italian-ness has been officially called into question.

• 41:03Speaker 04

  Ay, ay, ay.

• 41:04Pablo Torre?

  Because this is how he tweets about the movie Goodfellas.

• 41:08Speaker 04

  Goodfellas.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  You made me wanna watch Goodfellas now.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  It is crazy to call it.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  You need to watch Goodfellas. What was he, what, it, what? In what world were Peter Schrager and Kay Adams talking to each other in December of 2016? And Lombardi came swooping in. Oh, was he at Fox at the time?

• 41:25Speaker 05

  You gotta chime in. You need to watch Goodfellas.

• 41:29Speaker 04

  That's absurd. I, that guy is not on earth.

• 41:34Pablo Torre?

  There is more.

• 41:35Speaker 04

  Great.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Good.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Love that scene. Ironic that Chris gets shot in the foot in Goodfellas and turns tables in Sopranos. You watch, Kay? Alright, dude, there was a character limit, but that wasn't it. He had room to, to speak in a understandable way.

• 41:54Speaker 05

  If you haven't seen The Goodfellas, I think you might enjoy My Cousin Vincent. It's also supposed to be a pretty good flick.

• 41:59Pablo Torre?

  Uh, there is more.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Ah!

• 42:02Speaker 05

  He can't keep saying Goodfellas.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  Much like in the movie Diner, Femi is going to have to pass a test before we commence. Not the Colts test, rather a Sopranos, Godfather, Goodfellas, JFK one. He can do it, right, Femi? I don't know. I don't know. This was in 22!

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Goodfellas? That should be illegal.

• 42:24Speaker 05

  By the way, this is only an opportunity for me to say on the side that I think that Joe Pesci is the greatest actor of all time.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  Great.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Not a bit. I think he's the best.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Number one.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  Your fave could never.

• 42:35Pablo Torre?

  Because of which role?

• 42:36Speaker 05

  Okay, we got, you got all, all the movies that that guy doesn't know the name of.

• 42:39Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Then you got Home Alone.

• 42:41Speaker 04

  Something for the kids.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Then you got My Cousin Vinny.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 05

  This guy's, look, and I know he's playing a similar character in all these movies, but are you gonna get My Cousin Vinny laughs? And you're gonna get Casino out of the same guy?

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  Robert DeRos trying. Robert DeRos tried his whole life to get My Cousin Vinny. He can't do it. He can't do it. He's great, but he can't do it.

• 43:01Pablo Torre?

  I feel like, uh, Michael Lombardi.

• 43:05Pablo Torre?

  We need to devote an entire episode to that.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  Goodfellas?

• 43:09Pablo Torre?

  To the fact that he's.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Of finding out why he said that?

• 43:11Pablo Torre?

  He's Italian.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Wait, so did you say, didn't you find something out about his last name in your findings out?

• 43:17Pablo Torre?

  Well, it, it has been previously reported that he appreciates or benefits from the fact that people.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  People think he's related?

• 43:26Pablo Torre?

  To Vince Lombardi.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  But that is his real last name.

• 43:28Speaker 05

  His actual last name is like Michael O. Lombardowicz.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, or it's like.

• 43:33Pablo Torre?

  Yes, he's the Goodfellas of Vince Lombardi.

• 43:34Speaker 05

  I made him Irish and Jewish at the same time.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Perfect. Didn't, like, didn't Joe Theismann change the way you say his name to, because he wanted, right?

• 43:43Pablo Torre?

  The Heisman, so Joe Theismann, former, uh, quarterback, Heisman.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  You're gonna, you're gonna tell me.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, he knows that.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Grizzly, grizzly leg accident from the, from LT, right? Wasn't LT hurt?

• 43:52Pablo Torre?

  Did Lawrence Taylor?

• 43:54Speaker 04

  I think so, but.

• 43:54Pablo Torre?

  Shatter?

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Oh, look who's telling, look who's telling who what now.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  That feel good? Feel good about that?

• 44:00Pablo Torre?

  North Carolina alum Lawrence Taylor.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Hmm. Bringing it all back, full circle.

• 44:05Speaker 05

  Good, wait, the, the story of the Joe Theismann?

• 44:07Speaker 04

  It was how you're supposed to say it.

• 44:09Speaker 05

  But he changed it to Theismann because it rhymed with Heisman?

• 44:12Pablo Torre?

  Doing a Heisman campaign.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Wow, okay.

• 44:15Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 05

  Did he win the Heisman?

• 44:18Pablo Torre?

  Uh, no.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Would that work, do you think, if I changed my last name to like Moskew or something?

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Let's find out.

• 44:25Speaker 05

  So I could win an Oscar? Michael, Michael?

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Michael Cruz Moskew?

• 44:28Speaker 05

  Michael Cruz Moskew?

• 44:29Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah.

• 44:30Speaker 05

  I'll try it. If it worked, but if it didn't work for him, I'm not doing it. But if it did work for him?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  It didn't work for him.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  Then I would.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  That's why it's funny.

• 44:35Speaker 05

  Ladies and gentlemen, Pablo Flobel Prize, something like that?

• 44:38Speaker 04

  It worked, Pablo would have done it by now.

• 44:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's.

• 44:43Speaker 00

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• 45:15Pablo Torre?

  True. Um, we're getting incoming, uh, interest in another familiar character on this program.

• 45:21Speaker 05

  Wonderful. It's the greatest hits.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Cletus.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  No specific question, but I hope you guys dial in Cletus. What's up with, what's up with Cletus? I love Cletus.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Not the robot from Fox, uh, NFL Sunday.

• 45:33Pablo Torre?

  Yes, not former Mike Lombardi colleague.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  That is, yes, exactly. That is, and you should have heard those two in the, getting coffee in the break room. But that's spelled like Cleet and this, Cletus is not that.

• 45:43Speaker 05

  It would be forgivable if Cletus the robot thought the movie was called Goodfellas.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  Uh, that would be allowed. Oh, that would make sense even.

• 45:51Pablo Torre?

  Uh, Cletus, this Cletus, has been leaving us voicemails.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  Our Cletus.

• 45:55Pablo Torre?

  Our Cletus has been leaving us voicemails all year.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  Yes?

• 46:01Speaker 09

  Hey Pablo, this is Cletus in Nevada. Man, I was just wondering something after watching the TV a lot and I know the stuff. Why do women shave their underarms and why are they, are they, is that a societal thing? Or is that men forcing them to? Or is that women just liking to do that? It seems like it's, uh, bad for them. Like, there's a lot of tours and stuff and I just wonder if that's like a societal thing and we, should we, should we not act like that's gross when men don't do that? And, I mean, I don't know. It just seems like it's kind of backwards and, of course, I'm married and all that.

• 46:44Speaker 09

  My wife, of course, does, but I, I just wouldn't want her feeling like she has to for me because I don't, I don't really think I'd care, but it seems kind of selfish if that's... What society's putting on women, make them do it where it seems like it could actually have adverse effects on their health and maybe we should give the women a break and just let them be, you know, so, uh, I'll, uh, hang up and listen and I hope.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  He's having a feminist awakening every single day. Like, he is sitting in Navarre, Florida, by like a swamp, they have swamps, what's there? Let's say swamp, like reading (bleep) in the feminist mystique, or whatever, he's reading.

• 47:26Pablo Torre?

  He's reading bell hooks.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  And another thing.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, here's another one.

• 47:29Pablo Torre?

  Do you, do you remember what Cletus does?

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Uh, he takes the, uh, cooking oil, used cooking oil from restaurants and gathers it and sells it to people and they turn it into fuel or something?

• 47:38Pablo Torre?

  A job that was last-

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Sorry, Cletus, that was pretty close.

• 47:42Pablo Torre?

  No, but that's, I think that's right, it's, it's the job that was last in the news because of another Fox colleague of-

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, got, oh yeah, Mark Sanchez.

• 47:49Pablo Torre?

  Cletus the robot, Mark Sanchez.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:51Pablo Torre?

  Who got in a fight with that guy who was doing that in-

• 47:52Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:53Pablo Torre?

  Elsewhere.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Whatever came of that?

• 47:55Pablo Torre?

  I don't know, our investigation into that continues, I suppose.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Ah, I suppose.

• 47:58Pablo Torre?

  I do like that Cletus is married and is like, let me ask Katie, let me, let me ask Katie what's up.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Oh, that was me, you think that was for me?

• 48:04Pablo Torre?

  I think that was explicitly for you.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  I mean, he says hello Pablo.

• 48:06Pablo Torre?

  No, but I think he knows that you're our in-house-

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Woman.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Girl, Jesus.

• 48:12Speaker 05

  You're the in-house woman.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  Jesus, let me, allow me to speak for all of us.

• 48:15Pablo Torre?

  You're the April O'Neil of this program.

• 48:16Speaker 04

  Actually, just let me check and make sure I'm even on the, yeah, they're mostly shaved. I, um, I think it's, uh, I think it's societal, yeah, it's like, uh, it was seen as like a beauty standard thing. And look, you can not, you can choose to not, but almost every time someone notices that a woman doesn't, it becomes the like, leading headline about her is that, "Oh, shave her armpits."

• 48:40Speaker 05

  Is it, doesn't it feel like it was, and maybe, I, I'm not sure if I know this or if I'm feeling it, but that it's like a Gillette thing, that Gillette and like, whatever, nineteen-

• 48:50Speaker 04

  The same way with like, uh, diamond rings and engagement, the way they like, tied it to it for a marketing-

• 48:55Speaker 05

  They were just like, "If you don't do this, you're disgusting."

• 48:56Speaker 04

  I believe it.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  And I was like, "We were never doing this before."

• 48:58Speaker 04

  I believe it. I, this is, I got less of a problem with this. It's these I want to talk about.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Neat caps?

• 49:03Speaker 04

  No, your full leg, it's so much, it's 50% of your body.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  And we're supposed to shave it all the time? It's just cra- this is like whoop whoop done, whoop whoop done.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  That's the sound you make when you do it, right?

• 49:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is, uh, this takes a lot of time and it's all of your skin. So if you have like sensitive skin, you're dragging ar- imagine if you're, you had to do your face, but it was your whole

• 49:27Speaker 05

  It would be bad.

• 49:28Speaker 04

  Bottom half.

• 49:29Speaker 05

  Although I would say as my particular genetic makeup makes it so I don't actually have that much hair. So but for, but I understand what you're getting at.

• 49:34Pablo Torre?

  Oh, I got, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm a centaur.

• 49:38Speaker 04

  What's that supposed to mean?

• 49:39Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, but down below it's

• 49:41Speaker 04

  I'm Italian, so I am entirely covered in hair. In fact, parts of me that seem like they're not, it's because we were early adopters to laser hair removal technology. My mom had a friend who was practicing, I was like 12 and she was like, let her zap on your face.

• 49:58Pablo Torre?

  Katie Nolan was in the Weapon X program for laser hair removal.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  It hurt back then.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  That's not a practice situation.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  And they put numbing cream on it and it did not work. I got blasted, most of my spots and it's all, I'm so hairy, it has fought back and I'm, and it's coming back.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  Sweetie, let Linda practice with the laser on your face.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  It was, yeah, there's a lot of like protective technology.

• 50:23Pablo Torre?

  Polycular healing factor.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  You're running around the house, hiding behind the couch and she's like trying to shoot lasers at you.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  That's, that was it, that was mostly it, it hurts so bad.

• 50:32Pablo Torre?

  Um, we do have another follow-up inquiry along these lines.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Please, Mark Cletus, please, I only want to talk to Cletus.

• 50:38Speaker 09

  Hey Pablo, this is Cletus from Navarre, Florida. I was, uh, watching the TV the other night and, uh, I was just wondering, are women more constipated than men? Cause I ain't seen one men constipation commercial, but we got all these women on the TV commercials talking about how they're constipated and here's what you should take for it. And I'm just wondering if this is our fault, you know? Like, is this a recent problem? Or is this men making women more constipated by putting pressure on them or?

• 51:20Speaker 09

  I don't know what's going on, but I appreciate you finding that for me. Alright.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  Now that's not a phenomenon I'm even aware of.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Me neither, but it sounds like a woke way to ask if women are full of

• 51:35Speaker 05

  I have, I have seen, I think a commercial, but I don't remember if it's a man or a woman, getting into a hot tub. They're getting into a hot tub where there's a bunch of like attractive other people in the hot tub with them and they're kind of like, ooh, I can finally get in here because I'm not worried about taking a [BLEEP] because I just took a [BLEEP]. You guys know what I'm talking about?

• 51:54Speaker 04

  No, but I, I believe you. It's not your fault that it's weird. Have you seen the Colagard one where the two women are like hitting on the anthropomorphic box that you're supposed to put your [BLEEP] in to send off to this company? It makes no, the thing's mowing the lawn and they're basically going like, it's a box that you put your [BLEEP] in. Why are you hitting on it sexually?

• 52:16Pablo Torre?

  This is the non-invasive prescription ad on stool DNA test.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  Holy cow. You're like, what is even the messaging here? Where she's like, mm, I love the way it does your yard work. The box of [BLEEP]? What are we talking about? But do women get constipated more than men was the question?

• 52:33Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  And I, I don't.

• 52:34Pablo Torre?

  I do like that Cletus is turning to us and not Claude or ChatGPT.

• 52:39Speaker 05

  Well, he's, he's just, he's looking at the world through a critical lens that maybe he's been, you know, awakened in some way. And he's like, wait, hang on a second. Why are we, what is like, um, what is it called? Pink Tex? Pink Tex?

• 52:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:51Speaker 05

  Where like everything, all the, all the products that are both men and women use if they're designed for women. It's like, oh, this is a little more, why is a woman's razor cost more than a men's razor? What's going on there? That's Cletus. I bet you there's one of those from Cletus.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  I can't wait until Cletus see, asks us why they only use blue liquid in period commercials when they, it's like.

• 53:09Speaker 05

  That's a fair question.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Because what the [BLEEP]? I remember it was like revolutionary a while ago. Somebody like used a different, I don't even think it, they used red.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  They used a different color.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  And people were like, whoa.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  The scientist ran screaming from the room.

• 53:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, wait, it's red like that?

• 53:24Speaker 05

  What the hell?

• 53:25Speaker 04

  It's red like that. It's also got chunks in it. What were you saying?

• 53:27Pablo Torre?

  Oh, um.

• 53:28Speaker 05

  Ladies and gentlemen, this segment brought to you by Chunks.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Wake up, guys. Grow up. We've had to deal with it our whole lives. You think we aren't horrified the first time we see that? We're in middle school. [BLEEP] is already not going great for us. Okay? And then one day you go, I'm falling out of me.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  What was the other stuff you had there?

• 53:47Speaker 05

  Anyway, you were gonna say Pablo.

• 53:48Pablo Torre?

  I'm falling out of me.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  Everything is a nightmare. Life is just constantly going

• 53:58Speaker 04

  about something or another thing.

• 54:02Pablo Torre?

  Um, I-

• 54:02Speaker 05

  Or a third thing.

• 54:03Pablo Torre?

  Hold on, let me just see.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Important to note. Are you calling Cletus? He always just springs this on us.

• 54:08Speaker 05

  It'd be funny if he's not calling Cletus, he's just calling.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Put it on speakerphone. It doesn't sound like it's on speakerphone to me.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  We can't hear that.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't hear it on the microphone.

• 54:20Pablo Torre?

  You don't hear it on the microphone?

• 54:20Speaker 04

  No. Take the, unplug it and push it into the mic.

• 54:25Speaker 10

  It's Pablo Torre, what?

• 54:27Speaker 05

  Cletus!

• 54:30Speaker 10

  What up, Pablo?

• 54:31Pablo Torre?

  Cletus, can you hear me as well as Katie Nolan as well as Michael Cruz Kane?

• 54:36Speaker 05

  Hi, Cletus.

• 54:39Speaker 10

  I can, how y'all doing?

• 54:41Speaker 04

  We're good, Cletus. We, we miss you.

• 54:45Speaker 10

  Yeah, I miss y'all too.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 10

  I had a, I had a little brief stint of fame in the Panhandle.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  That's right. I think it's still going.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  You're famous to us still. We listened to a couple of your messages just now.

• 55:00Speaker 10

  Uh-oh.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Uh-oh.

• 55:03Pablo Torre?

  Cletus, can you paint the picture of where you are right now as you continue to be our Florida Panhandle correspondent?

• 55:10Speaker 10

  I'm on the Florida Panhandle taking a, taking a grease container to somebody and uh-

• 55:15Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 55:16Speaker 10

  Trying to figure out what I'm gonna cook dinner for my wife tonight.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah. What are the options?

• 55:22Speaker 10

  I don't know. I mean, I'm probably gonna do like a Greek bowl, saute some chicken breasts and do some Greek rice and uh, put some avocados, some feta cheese, some olives, tomatoes, cucumber, uh, and uh, green onion and-

• 55:42Speaker 10

  Put some pepper chenilles on top of it, call it a meal.

• 55:44Speaker 04

  Yum.

• 55:45Pablo Torre?

  Hmm.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  That sounds very helpful.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  I'd eat that, yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 05

  Can I ask a question? My question for you, Cletus, is what's the division of dinner preparation in your home? What percent of the time are you doing it? And what percent of the time is she doing it?

• 55:57Speaker 10

  Well, my wife works harder than I do, so I try to do most of the cooking. Because although she's a great cook, I just try to make it easier on her.

• 56:09Pablo Torre?

  She's a, she's a nurse, right, Cletus? She's a nurse?

• 56:13Speaker 10

  Well, she's a director of nursing. Yeah, she wasn't, she's still a nurse at heart. But, uh, yeah. I, um, and I'm a chef in a former life. We used to own restaurants in Alabama. And I'm, I'm a certified chef, so she lets me do it because I enjoy it. She, she cooks and it's great, but she doesn't enjoy it, so.

• 56:39Speaker 05

  My wife is a nurse also, Cletus, and I know that, I know the grind. So I'm also used to getting food on the table for my wife who works much harder than me. Respect.

• 56:47Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  You're just saying what he said.

• 56:49Speaker 10

  Why don't nurses, why don't nurses get the whole, uh, first responder discounts that everybody else?

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 10

  Saves lives good.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 10

  I wonder about that.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  When I was banging my pot and pan during the pandemic, that was exclusively for nurses. That's who I was thinking of when I was leaning out my window.

• 57:05Speaker 10

  Exactly. We just forgot about them now.

• 57:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, that sucks.

• 57:10Speaker 10

  My, my wife's a, she's a really hard, hard worker. She's very dedicated.

• 57:16Pablo Torre?

  Well, Cletus, Cletus, we love, we love, we love that you continue to embody what it means to be the ideal spouse of a Filipino person. And.

• 57:27Speaker 10

  Well, actually, my wife's not Filipino.

• 57:29Speaker 04

  Well, she's a nurse, so technically, I think.

• 57:32Speaker 10

  My, my son-in-law is Filipino.

• 57:36Speaker 10

  And my daughter is married to him and his family's Filipino.

• 57:39Speaker 04

  Ah, okay.

• 57:40Speaker 10

  And, you know, y'all call them birthdays, it's weird.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Whose birthday?

• 57:44Speaker 10

  Y'all call them my birthday.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  Whose birthday?

• 57:45Speaker 10

  And it's my, it's my grandson Eli, he's two today.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Oh, Eli! Happy birthday, Eli!

• 57:52Speaker 05

  Happy birthday, Eli!

• 57:54Speaker 10

  Elijah Garcia, we're gonna, we're gonna teach him how to play basketball or something where he can be on the Filipino national team.

• 58:03Speaker 05

  Yes!

• 58:04Speaker 10

  You don't have to be that good.

• 58:06Pablo Torre?

  You don't even need to, you don't even need to be Filipino, the Philippines made Andre Blatch, former Washington Wizards center.

• 58:13Speaker 05

  Isn't JaVale McGee on the Filipino national team?

• 58:15Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, they, we passed legislation to make those guys members of the national team.

• 58:20Speaker 10

  Well, I'm just, I'm hoping Eli, like, catches the spirit of the Olympics and maybe, I don't know what we'll, what we'll train him to do, but I just wanna go to the Olympics and represent the Philippines.

• 58:33Pablo Torre?

  I, I would love nothing more than that, Cletus. Cletus, you know, it also occurs to me that in your capacity as professional guy who deals with oil, you're also now our

• 58:44Speaker 10

  Yes, sir.

• 58:45Pablo Torre?

  oil correspondent.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 58:46Pablo Torre?

  How do you feel about, uh, potentially the end of the world tonight at 8:00 PM Eastern?

• 58:53Speaker 10

  Yeah, it's been on my mind two days now and, uh, we have a madman as the president, although I didn't vote for it, there's a lot of people down here that did. We just went to Disney World this past week to celebrate my grandson's, uh, two-year-old birthday and, and, um, I didn't see one Make America Great Again hat. Where have they gone? Well, I mean, is it, they're embarrassed, they lose their hats? I, I, on the pain handle, we're, it's pretty red down here and, um, everybody is just kinda pretending like they ain't got a part of this now. And I won't let them forget.

• 59:40Speaker 10

  You know, I used, I'm still a conservative person as far as money, but as far as everything else, I say live and let live and you should just love your fellow human being and um, and I just don't know what's happened to these people. They've just, I mean, you know, when you elect a madman, you gotta stick with him, go down with the ship. They're not doing it. And um, I, I have a thing, he's gonna taco out tonight, but it might cause-

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  I hope he does.

• 1:00:08Speaker 10

  I did too. I mean, I just, I mean, all the awful stuff he says, awful. Like, well, only a crazy person is putting, he's already crazy, but this stuff is 20th amendment worthy to me. And, and I just, I would, Pablo, I swear you'd be such a good president.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Uh, chill out, Cletus.

• 1:00:33Speaker 05

  We just started it.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  We can't, we can't be doing this.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  The committee to elect Pablo president. It started right now.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  I can't, I can't, I can't. I was with you the whole time. I can't let you do this.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  It's either Pablo or Stephen A. Smith. Those are your two choices.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  Oh, no!

• 1:00:44Speaker 05

  That's who you get.

• 1:00:45Speaker 10

  No, I, I just, I, Katie, I mean, you have a cabinet position.

• 1:00:50Speaker 05

  Yes!

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  That's not a good idea either!

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Secretary of chicks?

• 1:00:54Speaker 10

  Why not?

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:00:56Pablo Torre?

  Um-

• 1:00:57Speaker 10

  Secretary of coolness.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  Secretary of coolness. We create a new cabinet position.

• 1:01:01Pablo Torre?

  Um, Cletus, uh, I should've, I should've told you that you're currently live, uh-

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:08Pablo Torre?

  On, on, on air.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  On YouTube.

• 1:01:10Pablo Torre?

  Uh, but I also, I, very good legally, uh, cleared that hurdle. And also, uh, thank you for providing us a note of, for, for me, uh, personal hopefulness that I didn't have when we started the show.

• 1:01:24Speaker 04

  That is true.

• 1:01:25Pablo Torre?

  And, uh-

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  We love you, Cletus. You're the man.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Thank you, Cletus.

• 1:01:29Pablo Torre?

  Happy birthday to Eli and thank you for your-

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  Happy birthday, Eli.

• 1:01:32Pablo Torre?

  Thank you for your endorsement. I do approve this message.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Don't, that part, no, but the rest of it, yes.

• 1:01:35Speaker 10

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm always here for you, Pablo. I mean, always.

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 10

  I enjoy, I, I listen to Katie's show.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Oh, Cletus!

• 1:01:45Speaker 10

  It's all good.

• 1:01:46Pablo Torre?

  And, uh-

• 1:01:47Speaker 10

  Katie, like, when you first started on Levitard, I was like, oh my God, she is so funny. I get-

• 1:01:54Pablo Torre?

  I think we'll probably wrap it up now, though.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  No, my God!

• 1:01:57Pablo Torre?

  We got the end music? The end music?

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:01:59Pablo Torre?

  End music?

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  Damn!

• 1:02:07Pablo Torre?

  This has been Pablo Torre Finds Out, a Meadowlark Media production.

• 1:02:13Pablo Torre?

  And I'll talk to you next time.

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