Michelle Obama & Craig Robinson ask about siblings

Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson are an iconic sister/brother duo... and now they're asking Handsome to share stories about their siblings! Plus naming Tig's new standup tour, a Handsome dance, a frog jumping over Mae's foot, Fortune getting in a tussle, and more! Handsome is hosted by Tig Notaro, Mae Martin, and Fortune FeimsterFollow us on social media @handsomepodMerch at handsomepod.com http://handsomepod.com/Watch Handsome on YouTube http://youtube.com/@handsomepodThis is a Headgum https://headgum.com/ podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter https://x.com/headgum, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/headgum/, and Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum. Advertise on Handsome https://gumball.fm/shows/handsome via Gumball.fm http://gumball.fm/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:04Mae Martin?

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• 1:48Mae Martin?

  Cheers. Cheers.

• 1:50Tig Notaro?

  Cheers to you. And you. And you. Thank you. Thank you. We need to tell... Oh, yeah, let's welcome people.

• 1:58Mae Martin?

  Welcome.

• 2:00Fortune Feimster?

  I'm Fortune Feim, sir.

• 2:01Tig Notaro?

  I'm Tig Notaro.

• 2:02Mae Martin?

  I'm Mae Martin.

• 2:04Tig Notaro?

  Yes.

• 2:04Fortune Feimster?

  We're together.

• 2:05Mae Martin?

  We are together.

• 2:07Tig Notaro?

  And I just wanted to share a classic May moment that happened before we were filming.

• 2:15Fortune Feimster?

  Cheer.

• 2:15Mae Martin?

  I was excited.

• 2:17Tig Notaro?

  We are too.

• 2:18Mae Martin?

  We are all.

• 2:19Tig Notaro?

  What did you say?

• 2:19Mae Martin?

  I said, "I can't believe it."

• 2:21Tig Notaro?

  I can't believe we're together. I know, we haven't been in the same room for a while.

• 2:27Fortune Feimster?

  A while, because we've all been touring, or working, or filming, or traveling, all kinds of stuff.

• 2:34Mae Martin?

  I guess it is like, for a kid, you know, like if you said, "Oh, it's only January, Christmas isn't for a whole year." They're like, "Well, Christmas is never gonna happen." And then it happens again, like every year, and you're like, "I can't believe it."

• 2:47Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Fortune Feimster?

  It's Christmas.

• 2:48Tig Notaro?

  Well, that's what I was saying, is you sounded like it was Christmas morning to you, when you're like, "I can't believe we're together."

• 2:55Mae Martin?

  It's good to see you guys.

• 2:57Tig Notaro?

  It's good to see you guys.

• 3:00Fortune Feimster?

  And then we have nothing to talk about.

• 3:01Mae Martin?

  Well, anyways.

• 3:03Tig Notaro?

  Well, I'd like to share that the Andrea Gibson and Meg Faley movie that I produced, Come See Me in the Good Light, the trailer is out.

• 3:13Mae Martin?

  I know it is, because when I came in this morning, Fortune was weeping. Because you guys had just watched the trailer, and I was like, "I know what that's about, because I almost watched it in the car." And I thought, "I can't."

• 3:23Tig Notaro?

  You knew better.

• 3:24Mae Martin?

  I can't cry right now.

• 3:25Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I've already been, I've been so tired the last few days, just overworked. And when I get overworked, I can cry at the drop of a hat. And you put a trailer like that in front of me.

• 3:38Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 3:38Fortune Feimster?

  And I was like, "I'm fine, I'm fine," and then I'm like...

• 3:42Tig Notaro?

  Tears.

• 3:42Fortune Feimster?

  No, I'm not, no, I'm not.

• 3:44Mae Martin?

  This is what you need to...

• 3:45Fortune Feimster?

  It looks beautiful.

• 3:46Mae Martin?

  If you ever are trying to get an Oscar, are you ever trying to do that?

• 3:49Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, boy, do I want to try to get an Oscar.

• 3:53Mae Martin?

  Then you gotta just stay up all night, and then you'll be in floods of tears.

• 3:56Fortune Feimster?

  Honestly, that would be my best work.

• 3:58Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 3:59Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 3:59Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 4:00Tig Notaro?

  Even if it's a comedy?

• 4:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 4:03Tig Notaro?

  Fortune's unhinged again?

• 4:04Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 4:06Fortune Feimster?

  It did look amazing, I cannot wait for it to come out.

• 4:10Tig Notaro?

  Thanks, I'm so proud of it. It's very, as I was saying, I've seen that trailer, obviously, 10 million times.

• 4:18Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Tig Notaro?

  And, but the first time I saw it, I was so emotional. And, for some reason...

• 4:27Tig Notaro?

  It was one of the first moments that made me feel like Andrea was actually gone. Which I haven't, I of course know Andrea passed away. But I think when somebody leaves behind so much art. The way Andrea, I mean, it's just, it, yeah.

• 4:51Mae Martin?

  And also, it's, um, it's, yeah, it's, it's just, it's so packaged up so beautifully and that it feels like there's a finality to it. Because of the nice music and everything.

• 5:01Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 5:02Fortune Feimster?

  What I was saying to Tiggy, also, it's probably tough seeing Andrea so alive. When you watch it, that you just go, oh, my gosh, I can't believe that the, that is not the case.

• 5:14Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, and then today, when, when, you know, everybody's, the, the trailer came out and it's posted. It's like, I mean, this whole situation has been such a compartmentalized joy.

• 5:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 5:29Tig Notaro?

  Because it's such a beautiful film about beautiful people, but, um, yeah, when the, the trailer came out today, it's like, God, Andrea is gone.

• 5:41Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 5:42Tig Notaro?

  And Andrea, not just doesn't get to experience the movie coming out to the masses, but just Andrea being gone. It's like, eh, but, so, anyway, I'm.

• 5:54Mae Martin?

  Bittersweet.

• 5:54Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, it's very bittersweet.

• 5:56Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, I'm sure that's also the stages of grief too, that that will keep unfolding for a while.

• 6:02Mae Martin?

  Do you think those are legit, the stages of grief, are they still around? People say, like, you go, like, have you hit angry yet?

• 6:10Mae Martin?

  Like, do you have to hit all of them?

• 6:12Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know that you have to, but I think they roll out in different ways, you know?

• 6:16Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, and I think, like, angry, I mean, it's not, I wasn't like, turning desks over and like.

• 6:25Mae Martin?

  Punching walls.

• 6:25Tig Notaro?

  That wouldn't be.

• 6:27Fortune Feimster?

  So wild if that's how you expressed yourself.

• 6:30Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, that's not.

• 6:35Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I, I think I have moments of anger, like, I don't know if it's anger, just disappointment in myself, like with.

• 6:45Tig Notaro?

  Um, maybe I've mentioned before that I had this fantasy for a long time of

• 6:52Mae Martin?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:53Tig Notaro?

  Like a tour with Andrea.

• 6:55Mae Martin?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:57Tig Notaro?

  Like a poet, a musician, a comedian, an artist. Like, just do such a...

• 7:02Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 7:03Tig Notaro?

  And, um...

• 7:04Mae Martin?

  So you got frustrated at yourself of just...

• 7:07Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, where I'm like, why, why was I putting that off? You know, it's something I would mention to Stephanie over the years. Probably once, twice a year, I'd be like, I should put that thing together and be such a fun show. I, it's a show I'd wanna see.

• 7:23Mae Martin?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like, I like a mix of disciplines. Yeah, I like that.

• 7:29Tig Notaro?

  Like, at their best.

• 7:30Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:31Tig Notaro?

  And, uh, or not. Or not.

• 7:33Fortune Feimster?

  What a great show that would be.

• 7:35Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 7:36Mae Martin?

  A mediocre comedian.

• 7:37Fortune Feimster?

  Not at their best.

• 7:38Tig Notaro?

  Would be front row.

• 7:40Mae Martin?

  It's called Not at Our Best.

• 7:43Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh, maybe that's my new tour.

• 7:45Mae Martin?

  Not my new material.

• 7:46Fortune Feimster?

  I'm not my best.

• 7:49Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my God.

• 7:51Fortune Feimster?

  But happy to be here.

• 7:53Mae Martin?

  That's kind of like bulletproof because no one can review it badly. You go, I told you.

• 7:58Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I said this was not my best.

• 8:00Fortune Feimster?

  You knew what you were coming for.

• 8:04Tig Notaro?

  Oh, boy. That's my new, that was my new tour. I am actually in the process of trying to name my tour.

• 8:12Mae Martin?

  Oh, tell me about it.

• 8:13Tig Notaro?

  But like, not at your best. I would be front row for that circus. Oh, my gosh.

• 8:19Mae Martin?

  You know, my tour just went on sale and they, I had to name it before I've written it. So I, yeah, I named it The Possum. I don't have any material about this possum.

• 8:29Fortune Feimster?

  But I don't think you need to, like, I think it can just be all encompassing.

• 8:33Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 8:33Mae Martin?

  Thematically?

• 8:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 8:35Mae Martin?

  About possums?

• 8:36Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, well, don't ever mention a possum. That's all the better.

• 8:39Mae Martin?

  That would be good, yeah.

• 8:40Tig Notaro?

  Because people will, you'll never lose their attention. They'll, they'll be waiting for the possum story.

• 8:45Mae Martin?

  The whole time.

• 8:45Tig Notaro?

  Never comes.

• 8:46Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 8:47Tig Notaro?

  And then they'll think, did I miss something? And then they'll buy the album, see the specs. They'll be like, I'm sure there's a mention of a possum.

• 8:54Mae Martin?

  Yeah, there'll be fan theories being like, well, if you take the second word out of every...

• 8:59Tig Notaro?

  Well, and you, you know, there is a country music, I think I've told you this, a country music singer, George Jones, who is known as The Possum.

• 9:07Mae Martin?

  I did not know that.

• 9:08Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 9:10Tig Notaro?

  Why did that cause a hand dance?

• 9:13Mae Martin?

  I was looking for a pen.

• 9:15Tig Notaro?

  And the possum. Everyone to the possum.

• 9:18Fortune Feimster?

  I love that song.

• 9:19Tig Notaro?

  Oh my gosh, that's a new handsome dance, the possum. Look at that.

• 9:22Fortune Feimster?

  Yes. I love that everyone's getting ideas for their tour.

• 9:26Mae Martin?

  And I like that you're saying-

• 9:27Tig Notaro?

  Can I get a nice-

• 9:28Fortune Feimster?

  This is the tour. No, the-

• 9:31Tig Notaro?

  The next song-

• 9:32Fortune Feimster?

  The writing the down of the George Jones.

• 9:34Mae Martin?

  But I like that you're saying this is a new handsome dance, like we have many.

• 9:38Fortune Feimster?

  We have so many handsome dances.

• 9:39Tig Notaro?

  We had the electric slide.

• 9:41Mae Martin?

  We have the electric slide.

• 9:42Fortune Feimster?

  Wiggy, wiggy, wiggy, wiggy.

• 9:43Tig Notaro?

  That's right, my friend. But now it's do the possum.

• 9:46Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 9:49Mae Martin?

  Speaking of expressing anger.

• 9:51Tig Notaro?

  Yes.

• 9:52Mae Martin?

  Boy, did I ever, last week.

• 9:53Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, you went to that thing?

• 9:55Mae Martin?

  I'm back.

• 9:56Tig Notaro?

  You're a changed person.

• 9:57Mae Martin?

  Well-

• 9:58Tig Notaro?

  Well, first of all, you're the number one star in Hollywood right now. So let's not-

• 10:03Mae Martin?

  Well, let's be clear. I-

• 10:05Tig Notaro?

  Let's be queer.

• 10:06Mae Martin?

  Let's be queer. I was briefly the number one search on IMDb. I think largely because people were like, what? What is this?

• 10:15Fortune Feimster?

  They were curious.

• 10:15Mae Martin?

  What is this?

• 10:16Fortune Feimster?

  Is this an actual person? Is that what that star thing is? The star rating is people looking you up?

• 10:21Mae Martin?

  It's how many people are looking you up. So I think it was just people being like-

• 10:23Tig Notaro?

  What did you think it was?

• 10:24Fortune Feimster?

  I really didn't know, like how many things you're on or-

• 10:28Mae Martin?

  Or it was God saying-

• 10:30Fortune Feimster?

  Viewed or something? I really didn't know.

• 10:32Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I think it's just the number of, and I think a big part of it is people being like, does it have a penis? Or what?

• 10:38Fortune Feimster?

  That's the Google search. Does it have a penis?

• 10:42Tig Notaro?

  That's the number one star meter search. Does it have a penis?

• 10:48Mae Martin?

  But yeah, that was a weird time to give my phone away for a week.

• 10:51Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 10:52Mae Martin?

  Can I tell you about this experience? Because I got to-

• 10:54Tig Notaro?

  I'm actually not interested.

• 10:57Tig Notaro?

  Is there something else we could talk about?

• 10:58Mae Martin?

  Yeah, what else is there?

• 10:59Fortune Feimster?

  I think you have to listen.

• 11:01Tig Notaro?

  All right, let's hear it.

• 11:03Mae Martin?

  Well, also, I don't want to like, I'm supposed to, you know, guard the experience closely and not like overshare it. And I don't want to, you know, you sign an NDA and stuff.

• 11:14Tig Notaro?

  Tell us everything.

• 11:15Mae Martin?

  Okay, basically, so.

• 11:18Mae Martin?

  No, I won't say where I went, but I went to like a, it's a nonprofit therapy retreat. Part of me was hoping like, there'll be a masseuse.

• 11:27Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, like a hot person you can get down with?

• 11:30Mae Martin?

  No, no.

• 11:30Tig Notaro?

  Oh. Oh, that's an interesting insight into you. No, I like the fuck.

• 11:39Fortune Feimster?

  It is 8:45. Am I wrong?

• 11:44Tig Notaro?

  I don't know May's personal business in that way.

• 11:47Fortune Feimster?

  I thought you were like, wouldn't this be fun if while I'm trying to learn about myself, I also...

• 11:52Tig Notaro?

  May, tell us what happened. Tell us what happened.

• 11:55Fortune Feimster?

  Thank you.

• 11:56Mae Martin?

  So I get there and, well, the first thing that happened was, the night before, a toad hopped over my foot. So I thought...

• 12:04Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, what does that mean?

• 12:06Mae Martin?

  Good omen. Good omen, no?

• 12:09Fortune Feimster?

  Is it? Do we know that as a fact? Is that a May fact?

• 12:12Tig Notaro?

  Well, first things first, a toad hopped over my foot.

• 12:15Mae Martin?

  So I was in the parking lot of the Quality Inn the night before. I was like, I'm nervous.

• 12:20Fortune Feimster?

  Let's stop. Why did you have to say the Quality Inn?

• 12:24Tig Notaro?

  Of course a toad hopped over your foot in the room. At the Quality Inn?

• 12:27Mae Martin?

  It was grimy and there were a lot... All the trucks parked there had like Trump signs on and there was a big group of guys drinking in the parking lot.

• 12:34Fortune Feimster?

  But why did you stay there?

• 12:35Tig Notaro?

  Are you not Trump?

• 12:36Mae Martin?

  I wanted to be close to the place because you gotta be there. So I deflated... Well, I won't say.

• 12:41Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, yeah, don't say.

• 12:42Mae Martin?

  But then I'm in the parking lot of the Quality Inn, having a cigarette.

• 12:46Tig Notaro?

  It sounds terrible.

• 12:47Fortune Feimster?

  It was not quality.

• 12:48Mae Martin?

  Well, it was scary.

• 12:50Tig Notaro?

  This is the retreat?

• 12:51Mae Martin?

  No, no, no.

• 12:55Fortune Feimster?

  Five days of frogs jumping over my foot.

• 12:58Tig Notaro?

  Playing leapfrog while you smoke in the parking lot.

• 13:01Mae Martin?

  With a bunch of Trump supporters.

• 13:02Fortune Feimster?

  It sounds like a dicey start.

• 13:04Mae Martin?

  Yeah, it was a dicey start. So I'm having a cigarette and a little toad hops over my foot. So I think...

• 13:09Tig Notaro?

  Got it the first time.

• 13:10Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I think I'm in the right place. The next morning, I get my Uber. I drive up the path to this retreat center and it's like, it's a bit like summer camp, a bit like hospitally and I have a little monastic little room with like a single bed and anyway, I go and check in.

• 13:28Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know what monastic means. I actually don't either. What is it?

• 13:30Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 13:30Tig Notaro?

  You weren't gonna speak up?

• 13:32Mae Martin?

  You were gonna let it slide.

• 13:34Fortune Feimster?

  Maybe. Well, I didn't want to be two against one and now it's two against one.

• 13:38Mae Martin?

  Yeah, monastic like monk-like.

• 13:41Tig Notaro?

  Oh.

• 13:42Mae Martin?

  Like a monk.

• 13:44Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 13:45Mae Martin?

  Austere.

• 13:45Tig Notaro?

  We knew that. We totally knew that. Anyway. Monastic.

• 13:49Mae Martin?

  So I go in, I get my phone in and I go, I'm trying to make friends. I go, this is crazy. Can't believe we're doing this. Turn around, there's a one woman there and I knock a really expensive vase over with an orchid in it and it's...

• 14:03Tig Notaro?

  It must have been expensive if it was pronounced vase.

• 14:10Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, vase is not as expensive.

• 14:12Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, that you can do, those are disposable.

• 14:15Mae Martin?

  You would say vase?

• 14:17Fortune Feimster?

  We're, we're southern, so we wouldn't say vase.

• 14:21Tig Notaro?

  I'm not gonna, I'm Thomas.

• 14:22Fortune Feimster?

  You're fancy.

• 14:23Speaker 05

  I would say vase.

• 14:24Mae Martin?

  Okay.

• 14:24Fortune Feimster?

  Because y'all are fancy Canadians.

• 14:26Tig Notaro?

  You're not Americans.

• 14:27Fortune Feimster?

  We get it, ugh, we're from Canada.

• 14:30Mae Martin?

  So, so far I've had the toad and then I've knocked over and smashed a vase with an orchid as my like intro. Anyway, it was crazy. I think overall, it was, it was good. I had a lot of time to think and, but it was pretty grueling. It was like nine a.m. or get up at 7 a.m. and then do this program until 9 p.m. I won't go into huge detail, but they're.

• 14:55Fortune Feimster?

  And you paid for this?

• 14:57Mae Martin?

  I paid for it.

• 14:58Fortune Feimster?

  A lot, I'm sure.

• 14:59Mae Martin?

  You know what? It wasn't.

• 15:01Tig Notaro?

  Oh, gosh.

• 15:02Mae Martin?

  It wasn't crazy. And you know what? It's cool because it's a nonprofit. 20% of people there are there on scholarships, so.

• 15:08Fortune Feimster?

  Okay, I like that.

• 15:09Tig Notaro?

  Are they equally as miserable? And do they have to pretend that they're not because they're there for?

• 15:15Mae Martin?

  It felt like the people who came because they have problems accessing their emotions and want to rediscover a sense of play, they blossomed. I have no problem accessing the emotions. If anything, I need like.

• 15:30Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 15:31Mae Martin?

  So, but you know what was, I'll say my favorite part was, I come in one morning, there's a pillow and a baseball bat. And I spent.

• 15:41Tig Notaro?

  You love that.

• 15:42Mae Martin?

  I love.

• 15:43Tig Notaro?

  You love a pillow and a baseball bat.

• 15:44Mae Martin?

  I beat the shit out of this pillow for 45 minutes without stopping and you're not allowed to stop. I was, I went into some primal infant.

• 15:54Tig Notaro?

  Wait, this is something that was an exercise to do there?

• 15:57Mae Martin?

  In the room with everyone. We all had earplugs in and I'm beating the shit out of this pillow.

• 16:01Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 16:02Mae Martin?

  Cry and crying, screaming like, it was wild. I lost my voice. My hands were bleeding. Like, I was like, oh yeah, I'm pissed.

• 16:10Fortune Feimster?

  Wow, but did you know?

• 16:12Mae Martin?

  I never express anger. Like, I haven't raised my voice since I was about 10.

• 16:15Fortune Feimster?

  Really?

• 16:16Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Fortune Feimster?

  And do you think that was just like an accumulative anger just finally coming out? Or were you angry about something specific? You don't have to tell us.

• 16:24Mae Martin?

  Something specific.

• 16:26Fortune Feimster?

  You, so you were able to channel?

• 16:28Mae Martin?

  It was that fucking pillow.

• 16:31Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, as long as you were able to pinpoint what it was, I think that's helpful.

• 16:36Mae Martin?

  It was multiple things, but yeah, we did. And we did a lot of that kind of thing. At one point halfway through the week, I was pretty close to leaving. I packed up my little bag. I thought, you know what, this feels like-

• 16:46Tig Notaro?

  Little cowboy's little bag?

• 16:47Mae Martin?

  And when I say little, it was massive.

• 16:49Tig Notaro?

  Of course.

• 16:50Fortune Feimster?

  It had a synthesizer and a piano in it.

• 16:53Mae Martin?

  No, no synths allowed.

• 17:00Mae Martin?

  No, no laptop, no phone.

• 17:02Tig Notaro?

  That's on their rules, no synthesizers.

• 17:04Fortune Feimster?

  Were you just like, I need to check in on how Wayward's doing on Netflix. I gotta get out of here.

• 17:09Mae Martin?

  I was just like, what am I doing here? Like, this is supposed to be such an exciting moment in my life. And I'm here sobbing like in the woods with strangers. Like, is this punitive? You know what I mean?

• 17:22Fortune Feimster?

  Right.

• 17:22Tig Notaro?

  When you first arrived, though, were you like, hey, guys, I'm so happy to be here?

• 17:26Mae Martin?

  Oh, 100%, and I will say I'm glad I stuck it out because that night I thought, I'm gonna leave. I couldn't sleep. And then I got up and it was a full moon. I went walking through the woods. I saw deer. I saw a rabbit. And then I find this stone labyrinth. And I actually thought about Andrea. I was thinking, where are my guides at? And I was thinking about my grandma. And I thought, Andrea, are you around? I get to the middle of this labyrinth of stones. And in the middle is a big live toad that's just ribbiting at me in the moonlight. And I thought, alright, I'll stay.

• 18:01Tig Notaro?

  Wait, this is after you've already had a toad hop over you?

• 18:03Mae Martin?

  Yes, thank you.

• 18:03Tig Notaro?

  You see another one?

• 18:04Mae Martin?

  Thank you, yes.

• 18:05Tig Notaro?

  In the middle of the swirly do.

• 18:07Fortune Feimster?

  Because you know what that means.

• 18:08Tig Notaro?

  No.

• 18:09Mae Martin?

  Oh, nobody does.

• 18:13Tig Notaro?

  When you find a frog in the middle of a swirly do in the woods, what does it mean?

• 18:20Mae Martin?

  I think it meant stay, but in a toad, like Stay. Yeah. And then, so I did stay and I'm glad I did because by the end, I'm, okay, the main thing I took away, there's just 40 people in this group, all different demographics, people in their 70s, 40s, all the ages and different jobs.

• 18:40Tig Notaro?

  No, keep going.

• 18:42Mae Martin?

  As I said, I'm like, why did I pick those two?

• 18:45Mae Martin?

  40, 60s, 50s.

• 18:47Tig Notaro?

  Okay. Any 20s?

• 18:50Mae Martin?

  I don't think there were any 20s, actually, yeah. And

• 18:52Tig Notaro?

  Anyone in their hundreds?

• 18:55Fortune Feimster?

  One 102 year old.

• 18:59Fortune Feimster?

  She's like, I have some things to work on before I get out of here.

• 19:06Tig Notaro?

  I'm really into self-help. I just a few more things.

• 19:10Fortune Feimster?

  I don't express my anger. You're like, 102, I think you're just fine.

• 19:16Mae Martin?

  Yeah. And by the end of it, I was like, oh, we're all just toddlers. Like, I felt really bonded to these people by the end of it. I was like

• 19:25Tig Notaro?

  Oh, you did?

• 19:25Mae Martin?

  I did by the end, yeah.

• 19:26Tig Notaro?

  Just the program was

• 19:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah, you're going through crazy shit and, and you're not allowed to talk about your work or

• 19:33Tig Notaro?

  You couldn't promote Wait Word?

• 19:35Mae Martin?

  I couldn't promote Wait Word.

• 19:37Tig Notaro?

  Or, or the handsome

• 19:38Mae Martin?

  Or your dog. I couldn't. I could not.

• 19:41Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my God. What about Fortune's Tour?

• 19:44Mae Martin?

  I know.

• 19:44Tig Notaro?

  Get that taken care of, biscuits?

• 19:48Tig Notaro?

  What if you were talking about your friend's podcast, Handsome?

• 19:51Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 19:52Fortune Feimster?

  You know what I find helpful?

• 19:54Mae Martin?

  Also, nobody recognized me except one woman on day one. They had just said, you're not allowed to talk about your work. And then this woman goes, are you that comedian?

• 20:03Tig Notaro?

  But you went in, like, at the beginning of the whatever retreat,

• 20:10Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 20:11Tig Notaro?

  like, what, 4,000 on Star Meter? And then you came out number one?

• 20:17Mae Martin?

  I don't check my star meter.

• 20:19Fortune Feimster?

  Tig's over there refreshing.

• 20:21Mae Martin?

  Refreshing.

• 20:22Fortune Feimster?

  I'm following you on IMTV. She tracks everyone's star rating.

• 20:30Tig Notaro?

  What if you found that out?

• 20:33Tig Notaro?

  That was really something.

• 20:34Fortune Feimster?

  You have a spreadsheet?

• 20:36Mae Martin?

  Or we could just test you. You go Tom Hanks, you're 12.

• 20:40Tig Notaro?

  Oh my god, I was obsessed with people's star meters. Oh my god.

• 20:46Mae Martin?

  So, yeah, overall, by the end, we were, we were tight. And, um.

• 20:51Tig Notaro?

  Who was your favorite person?

• 20:53Mae Martin?

  Well, I gotta say, because in the, in the, I was the only queer person, and I was the only person who smoked. And so, once a day, I'd go and have my cigarette.

• 21:02Tig Notaro?

  You were allowed to smoke there?

• 21:03Mae Martin?

  You're allowed to go and have your, smoking. Let me say, by day three, a lot of women in their 50s and 60s going, you gotta smoke? Can I bum one?

• 21:11Fortune Feimster?

  Were they flirting with you?

• 21:12Mae Martin?

  No!

• 21:13Fortune Feimster?

  They just needed a break?

• 21:14Mae Martin?

  Yeah, we were bonded. So I think there were, there were a handful of people I got, I got tight with, for sure.

• 21:20Tig Notaro?

  Here's my question.

• 21:20Fortune Feimster?

  And you got hooked on cigarettes.

• 21:23Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:23Tig Notaro?

  Tell me how each of us would do individually at this.

• 21:29Fortune Feimster?

  Good question, Tig.

• 21:30Tig Notaro?

  Thank you. I always wait for that from you.

• 21:35Tig Notaro?

  Like, picture Fortune there, beating that pillow.

• 21:39Mae Martin?

  I can't imagine that. I think you, I think you both, I, I had to totally switch off any sense of irony about it.

• 21:48Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:49Mae Martin?

  Like, I was like, I paid for this, I'm here, I gotta commit.

• 21:51Fortune Feimster?

  And to commit to the experience.

• 21:53Tig Notaro?

  I wonder what I was doing when you were beating that pillow?

• 21:57Mae Martin?

  There was one day I'd beat it with a sledgehammer instead of a bat.

• 22:00Fortune Feimster?

  Wait, it was multiple days of beating this pillow?

• 22:02Mae Martin?

  There was a lot of beating.

• 22:03Fortune Feimster?

  Wow, this must have been a thick pillow.

• 22:05Mae Martin?

  A lot of visualizations, though, as well, and like, um.

• 22:08Fortune Feimster?

  I just see it going straight through the pillow into the floor.

• 22:11Tig Notaro?

  What do you think you were doing when May was beating that pillow? Like.

• 22:14Fortune Feimster?

  I was crying myself because I was so tired, like, the last five days.

• 22:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Fortune Feimster?

  And when I get overly tired, like we talked about, I am weepy.

• 22:26Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 22:27Fortune Feimster?

  I'm just a dumb bitch.

• 22:29Tig Notaro?

  That's fun.

• 22:31Mae Martin?

  Excuse me. Don't talk about.

• 22:34Tig Notaro?

  Your friend like that?

• 22:35Mae Martin?

  That's Tig's line.

• 22:36Tig Notaro?

  Don't talk about my friend like that.

• 22:37Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, so yeah, I was probably crying.

• 22:39Mae Martin?

  I think you guys, if you could get out of your own way, like if you were just like, there's no one I know here. I may as well just go for it.

• 22:45Fortune Feimster?

  I could commit to an experience like that.

• 22:48Mae Martin?

  I think so.

• 22:49Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know about this one.

• 22:50Mae Martin?

  There were.

• 22:50Fortune Feimster?

  I don't either.

• 22:52Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 22:52Fortune Feimster?

  This one's leaving on day one.

• 22:54Tig Notaro?

  Look, I love a retreat. You know, I love deep breathing. I love meditation. I love veganism. I'm, I'm perfect for this.

• 23:03Fortune Feimster?

  How's the food? That would be my determining factor.

• 23:05Mae Martin?

  So good, actually.

• 23:06Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, see, I would say.

• 23:07Mae Martin?

  Farm fresh, to be honest.

• 23:09Tig Notaro?

  Farm fresh biscuits?

• 23:10Mae Martin?

  Farm fresh biscuits.

• 23:12Fortune Feimster?

  Ah, sign me up.

• 23:14Mae Martin?

  What was like a revelation to me was what I already knew going in, which was like, if you sleep eight hours a night, you eat three meals a day of fresh food and you don't look at your phone, you're gonna feel good.

• 23:26Tig Notaro?

  Okay. And you did.

• 23:27Mae Martin?

  I felt great. Got back home, right back into the old patterns, for sure. But I took a lot from it, for sure.

• 23:34Tig Notaro?

  What'd you take?

• 23:35Mae Martin?

  Well, that we're all the same.

• 23:38Tig Notaro?

  Snuck some biscuits.

• 23:39Mae Martin?

  I took a bag of farm fresh biscuits. I snuck them out.

• 23:45Fortune Feimster?

  What was the takeaway?

• 23:46Mae Martin?

  The takeaway? Well, it's still percolating, but I think like, um, I think it was identifying what's mine and what's other people's. You know, releasing some, some shame, some, you know.

• 24:02Tig Notaro?

  Shame you knew you had or shame where you're like?

• 24:05Mae Martin?

  That's the thing. That's the thing. We all know it. We all know. And everyone's the same. That was really reassuring. Everyone is like, I'm mad at my parents, but also I love my parents and I feel guilt and I feel, you know, I don't think I'm attractive enough or smart enough. Like, we are all the, everyone has those, I think. Do we?

• 24:24Fortune Feimster?

  Probably to some extent.

• 24:26Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like just complicated sort of little toddlers.

• 24:29Tig Notaro?

  For sure.

• 24:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. So that was nice, I guess, to realize.

• 24:33Tig Notaro?

  And all of those things that. Your personality and body, everything kind of just

• 24:42Mae Martin?

  It becomes a little

• 24:43Tig Notaro?

  figures to like get you through life and

• 24:46Mae Martin?

  It was picking apart all that and being like, what's my authentic?

• 24:50Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Mae Martin?

  You know?

• 24:51Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Mae Martin?

  Yeah, there was one moment where I thought you guys would have been like, I'm out. Which was, we'd had a really intense morning. I was feeling like, I'm not sure about this. And then they said, don't worry, we're gonna have a really fun afternoon. And then it was a lot of like

• 25:05Tig Notaro?

  Square dancing?

• 25:07Mae Martin?

  Pretty much. It was a lot of

• 25:09Fortune Feimster?

  I'm staying for that.

• 25:10Mae Martin?

  Like play?

• 25:12Fortune Feimster?

  Me too.

• 25:12Mae Martin?

  Like, uh, like play and, um, and then they go, guys, you have 45 minutes, we're gonna meet in the classroom and you guys are gonna put on a sketch comedy show.

• 25:23Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, that would be painful.

• 25:25Mae Martin?

  In my brain.

• 25:26Fortune Feimster?

  That is painful.

• 25:27Mae Martin?

  After, I've just been so raw beating up this thing, I'm like, I am fucked up. And now I gotta do a comedy show?

• 25:34Tig Notaro?

  Put your wig on.

• 25:36Mae Martin?

  It was wild, yeah, but, um

• 25:38Tig Notaro?

  And you did it?

• 25:39Mae Martin?

  Oh, I did it and it, you know

• 25:41Fortune Feimster?

  Were you funny?

• 25:43Mae Martin?

  No, not remotely, not remotely. But everyone else was and it was really nice seeing how and I thought I am lucky that my job involves a sense of play and like, that's not hard for us to access, I feel like.

• 25:58Tig Notaro?

  So the, the other people, they made you laugh and they were?

• 26:02Mae Martin?

  Yeah, they were, cause we, we were playing the teachers and playing each other, like we were and, and people were really going for it and that maybe, cause it was seeing like people in their 70s who were, there's a some of, you know, from all different places.

• 26:16Fortune Feimster?

  That 102 year old was hilarious.

• 26:18Mae Martin?

  She was hilarious.

• 26:19Tig Notaro?

  To see her fake mustache.

• 26:22Mae Martin?

  Anyway, I feel, I also, I feel like, um, I only know my experience of it, which was overall very positive and I'm grateful for it. And I've noticed as I've told the story this week, I've got more cynical and I'm going for the laughs. Whereas when I first got back, I told my roommate all about it and I

• 26:41Tig Notaro?

  The raccoon?

• 26:42Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I told the raccoon all about it.

• 26:44Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Mae Martin?

  And he said that I, he's like, oh, it sounds like you had a great time. And then he heard me retell it like four days later. He was like, when you got back, you loved it. And now the more you tell it, you're going for the punchlines.

• 26:55Tig Notaro?

  That's interesting.

• 26:56Mae Martin?

  Isn't it?

• 26:56Tig Notaro?

  Huh, I wonder what that is?

• 26:58Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I think, I'm just used to.

• 27:00Tig Notaro?

  Real growth.

• 27:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Tig Notaro?

  Now, tell me this.

• 27:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Tig Notaro?

  Was there somebody there at the retreat where you're like, whoa, they are in it? And believing it? And they are like, you know, cause if you're, if you decide I'm going with this and I'm gonna get something out of this. And yeah, no cynicism, just.

• 27:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I can't, yeah, I'll tell you later.

• 27:23Tig Notaro?

  Was it so fun to watch that person?

• 27:26Mae Martin?

  It was, the whole thing was riveting, I'll say. Like if I ever got in my head, I thought, well, there's all these people I would never have met. And they are having wildly different experiences and committed and it was riveting.

• 27:42Tig Notaro?

  Was there somebody that drove you insane? And then you ended up going, oh, I understand their trauma and their life and I get it.

• 27:49Mae Martin?

  I'll say that was part of the program where they said, if there's anyone who sort of triggered you when, you know, based on pretty much nothing, cause we're exploring like negative transference. Like in your life, there's people that just make you like, God, and it's like, is that my, what is that? So I was thinking, oh, there's this guy that is, I don't know, I, yeah, like, yeah.

• 28:14Tig Notaro?

  You don't know why or you did know why?

• 28:17Mae Martin?

  I was like, he's only really talking to the other men and like he's, he, he said a couple of things that, anyway. So I write it down and then they go, okay, now you're gonna go tell that person to their face.

• 28:28Tig Notaro?

  Oh God, I would hate that.

• 28:29Mae Martin?

  I know, cause I'm a people pleaser.

• 28:32Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, me too. So you went and told this guy?

• 28:34Mae Martin?

  I had to sit down in front of him with a teacher. I know, you would love, it was juicy.

• 28:40Tig Notaro?

  That's your jam.

• 28:41Mae Martin?

  And the person who's being told it is not allowed to respond. They just have to be like.

• 28:45Tig Notaro?

  Oh, God.

• 28:46Mae Martin?

  And so I, and it's like structured like a script. So I'm like, I experienced you as, you know, potentially judging me because of this thing that you said about, and this thing and blah, blah, blah.

• 28:58Tig Notaro?

  Meanwhile, your life is going nuts online. You're the number one star in the world, but go ahead.

• 29:03Mae Martin?

  I'm in the woods with.

• 29:04Tig Notaro?

  Your star meters. Your star meter is ticking up. Tracking the entire journey.

• 29:11Fortune Feimster?

  And you're like, the second I saw you, my skin was crawling.

• 29:17Mae Martin?

  And then, you know, and then I say, and that is a pattern that I got from this place. And I take responsibility for my experience and stuff. And it was fascinating. And, and he's just like, okay. And of course, yeah, by the end, we're hugging and, and, and we were so much closer having had that exchange. Like by the end, yeah. And I thought, nobody's gonna have a problem with me. Let me tell you.

• 29:40Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, several, two people.

• 29:42Tig Notaro?

  No one could stand you.

• 29:44Mae Martin?

  Let me tell you, everyone.

• 29:46Fortune Feimster?

  Lee's favorite person.

• 29:48Tig Notaro?

  You were number one on the star meter of.

• 29:51Fortune Feimster?

  Two's not bad. How many people are we talking about?

• 29:54Mae Martin?

  We were only allowed to receive two.

• 29:57Fortune Feimster?

  You're only allowed to, that's good they had a limit.

• 29:59Tig Notaro?

  Here's my final question. I could talk to you about this forever.

• 30:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 30:03Tig Notaro?

  If Fortune and I were like, oh, my gosh, this is so interesting. I, we really wanna go. Can you go with a friend?

• 30:10Mae Martin?

  No. You'd have to.

• 30:13Tig Notaro?

  That was a good question, too.

• 30:14Mae Martin?

  That was a great question. You could lie about it.

• 30:16Tig Notaro?

  Cause what if we were in the same room, beating a pillow?

• 30:19Fortune Feimster?

  I know.

• 30:20Mae Martin?

  You guys would be like, winking at each other.

• 30:23Fortune Feimster?

  Get that pillow.

• 30:24Mae Martin?

  Get that pillow. No, I think, yeah, no one that you know. And, and, but man, it was, it was fascinating. Yeah.

• 30:32Tig Notaro?

  All right.

• 30:33Fortune Feimster?

  Look at you, little cowboy.

• 30:34Mae Martin?

  I feel, I hope I've been respectful about the experience and, um.

• 30:39Tig Notaro?

  Well, you haven't, but, but, um, but here's the thing is, I think it's awesome that even if, even if you didn't leave with what you hoped that you left with.

• 30:50Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Tig Notaro?

  That you left with something.

• 30:51Mae Martin?

  I really did.

• 30:52Tig Notaro?

  And like got your mind going and that you're wanting to explore who you are and make changes and.

• 30:59Fortune Feimster?

  And you ate some good food.

• 31:00Mae Martin?

  Great food. I felt really proud of myself by the end.

• 31:03Tig Notaro?

  Farm fresh biscuits.

• 31:04Mae Martin?

  Farm fresh biscuits.

• 31:13Tig Notaro?

  How are you Fortune?

• 31:14Mae Martin?

  Yeah, what's going on? Yeah.

• 31:15Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, I'm fine, I'm fine. I, yeah, it was, uh, I'm, I'm filming, so I'm busy with that, but truly it's so fun that like on, like I was filming la- last night, just thinking, I'm having the best time.

• 31:28Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 31:28Tig Notaro?

  It's amazing.

• 31:29Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, yeah, I love Will and we get along so great and like just cackle. We just make each other laugh so hard. And I was sitting across from him on this bus last night and just, we both just kinda like, this is so fun, you know?

• 31:46Mae Martin?

  Oh, man.

• 31:47Fortune Feimster?

  So it just feels like that pure like comedy experience where you're just like with a nice person.

• 31:52Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, he's so nice.

• 31:54Fortune Feimster?

  Who has good values and it treats people kindly.

• 31:57Mae Martin?

  Oh, that's the dream.

• 31:59Fortune Feimster?

  And every, so everyone around us is pleasant and happy and we in between takes go to the, they call it video village, you got, I'm just saying that for our audience and, uh, and sit there and we laugh with everyone around there and then go back to, to onset, laugh there.

• 32:16Mae Martin?

  Oh.

• 32:17Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, which I really needed cause I just was real, you know, I, I've just been a little emotional lately, just, uh.

• 32:23Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 32:24Fortune Feimster?

  I think about my mom has been kinda finally catching up to me.

• 32:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 32:32Mae Martin?

  But that, that is amazing that you have this place you can go where you kind of, you will, with, you have to compartmentalize, you have to be present and you're laughing and, and you got farm fresh biscuits?

• 32:43Fortune Feimster?

  I did not get farm fresh biscuits, but yeah, I went, I hadn't seen my mom in like a month and a half because of, of work and then I went and, uh, she had not had a good week and has just been very nauseous and just like really, uh, tired and I was like, I'm gonna get swing through there, just like two days. I was stuck in the Boston Airport for nine hours.

• 33:06Mae Martin?

  I was following this on, on Instagram. What the hell?

• 33:09Fortune Feimster?

  I had a show in Boston, which was amazing. It was so incredible at the Wang.

• 33:14Tig Notaro?

  Were you posting it on stories or something?

• 33:16Fortune Feimster?

  Just a couple of pictures like here, we're four hours in, we deplaned twice. The airport was a mess because there was a storm coming through. So my first delay was that the plane delayed coming in. Then we got on the plane, taxied out, sat forever. Then they're like, the windshield wiper's broken, go back in.

• 33:35Mae Martin?

  That's the windshield wiper.

• 33:36Tig Notaro?

  That's what I can't stand when a flight is like, we're having mechanical or tech, whatever problems. I'm like, what is it? Is it the windshield wiper or the wing fell off? Let's get specific.

• 33:49Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that is really creepy.

• 33:50Fortune Feimster?

  But it's like, don't go far because we, you know, and so you can't really like, you can't go like have a, you know, meal or something. And then we get back on it finally again. Now we're like five hours into this. And then we taxi out and like, nah, uh, bad news. Now this is happening. We go back in. Uh, and then finally they gave us a new aircraft, but I was there for nine hours.

• 34:14Tig Notaro?

  What if on the side of the plane, you realize it said student flyer?

• 34:19Fortune Feimster?

  Then I'm grateful for the nine hour delay that they could get a real pilot, but.

• 34:24Mae Martin?

  Did you bond with any of the other people?

• 34:26Fortune Feimster?

  I just like staring into space. I was just so, when I got to the airport, I was on my, I was so tired.

• 34:34Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Fortune Feimster?

  Then I called my mom. This is when I know I'm beyond. And I just, I'm crying to my mom in there for, I put my hoodie on. People are recognizing me and I'm turning my head and I just look like a, this is like, uh, so I'm already ready to get to her. To just like shut it all down and not have to, you know, just like, not be anything, just like lay on my mom's couch and just chill.

• 35:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Fortune Feimster?

  And then I'm stuck for nine hours. So I'm already in this bad space. And it just gets, so I get to the airport, I'm just like catatonic. And then I finally land and I go to my mom's and we have a late dinner. Uh, but yeah, I just. You know, it's she, she's always in good spirits, but you can tell it's like taking a toll on her.

• 35:26Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 35:27Fortune Feimster?

  The chemo's not doing what we want it to do. And you just kind of get, I just think it all finally caught up to me where I was like, oh, I'm sad about this.

• 35:36Tig Notaro?

  Of course.

• 35:37Fortune Feimster?

  And, uh, you know, she's like, I don't want you to worry about me and.

• 35:42Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's impossible not to.

• 35:46Fortune Feimster?

  So.

• 35:48Tig Notaro?

  That's tough.

• 35:48Fortune Feimster?

  Fortune.

• 35:49Tig Notaro?

  Where's that pillow? Yeah, get, get a bat and a pillow.

• 35:53Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. So I'm just, uh, you know, just, I wanted to hopefully the, thank you.

• 36:04Fortune Feimster?

  Um, I just want to be okay. And, you know, it's, it's still, she's still fighting the good fight. I mean, she's not going anywhere right now, but

• 36:11Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:11Fortune Feimster?

  You start to think about the what ifs and

• 36:14Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 36:14Fortune Feimster?

  What if this doesn't do anything ever?

• 36:16Tig Notaro?

  Thanks, Thomas.

• 36:17Fortune Feimster?

  And what does that look like? And thank you, Tom. And, uh, but it was nice to just be around her.

• 36:23Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:23Fortune Feimster?

  And, you know, it's just that, that thing of like realizing your parents are getting, getting older and, um, this is sometimes what happens with that journey. So.

• 36:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, yeah.

• 36:36Tig Notaro?

  I, I mean, just putting it out there and, you know, there's people, I don't know if you or your mother would be open to it, but there are people that can like insert themselves into the conversation with a family when, who's dealing with like serious health issues.

• 36:56Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 36:56Tig Notaro?

  Um, and, and having a third person to talk to.

• 37:01Fortune Feimster?

  Uh huh.

• 37:02Tig Notaro?

  In, like, I, I met this woman who she, she runs this organization that does this and I, I reached out to her. Um, when Andrea was ill and just like. You know.

• 37:17Mae Martin?

  Like, how do you, yeah, because it's such a universal experience, but when you're in it, you're like, what do I say?

• 37:22Tig Notaro?

  How do we handle this?

• 37:23Mae Martin?

  How do we handle this?

• 37:24Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. What's, yeah, and, and, I mean, I can get you her number.

• 37:29Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Tig Notaro?

  And it's just something to keep

• 37:30Mae Martin?

  Right.

• 37:31Tig Notaro?

  in your back pocket until or if you want it, but it's like, it's so crucial to, just to keep conversations open and I'm, I'm just endlessly floored by the people that do that kind of work. Yeah, but anyway, it's, it's, it's, it's it's just something I, I wanted to put out there and that's really just.

• 37:54Mae Martin?

  It's a lot to navigate on your own.

• 37:56Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I think at first I was just kind of like, this is what, this is what is happening.

• 38:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 38:02Fortune Feimster?

  These are the facts. She has this. We're gonna get through it.

• 38:05Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 38:05Fortune Feimster?

  And then I think this week I was just like, this isn't good.

• 38:10Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 38:10Fortune Feimster?

  You know? As simple as that sounds, I was just like, uh-oh.

• 38:15Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 38:16Fortune Feimster?

  And, um, yeah, but anyway, we have to get to our question, but I, it'll be okay. And, yeah, I will

• 38:24Tig Notaro?

  It will.

• 38:25Fortune Feimster?

  not keep compartmentalizing and just face it.

• 38:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 38:28Fortune Feimster?

  Hit the pillow.

• 38:29Mae Martin?

  Hit the pillow, cry the tears.

• 38:31Tig Notaro?

  One of the things, and this is kind of abstract, but it was such a beautiful moment in Andrea's documentary where their ex-girlfriend, who is one of their best friends, Bethy, was going through an intense experience with, um, with her father and called Andrea in the middle of it and Andrea said, just call everything love. Everything you're feeling, everything that's happening, just call it love. And Bethy said that when she applied that to the moment, and again, it's,

• 39:16Tig Notaro?

  it's a little abstract and, um, but it's coming from a poet.

• 39:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 39:21Tig Notaro?

  Um, but it, I think it's a really beautiful thing in, in hard moments to, um, to call everything love.

• 39:32Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I like that.

• 39:33Tig Notaro?

  Again, I don't know if you remember that moment, but, um,

• 39:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 39:38Tig Notaro?

  But, yeah.

• 39:39Fortune Feimster?

  I will try that.

• 39:41Tig Notaro?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:41Fortune Feimster?

  Thank you.

• 39:42Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Fortune Feimster?

  Should we kiss?

• 39:44Mae Martin?

  Should we call it love?

• 39:46Fortune Feimster?

  Aww.

• 39:47Tig Notaro?

  Well.

• 39:47Fortune Feimster?

  Thank you. How do I cry again?

• 39:50Tig Notaro?

  It's tough stuff.

• 39:51Fortune Feimster?

  I haven't cried with you guys since the last time I saw you on the couch.

• 39:54Mae Martin?

  It's when we're here.

• 39:55Fortune Feimster?

  It's this couch.

• 39:56Tig Notaro?

  Well, we haven't seen each other in person.

• 39:58Mae Martin?

  Also, it feels like a therapy couch.

• 39:59Fortune Feimster?

  It does.

• 40:00Mae Martin?

  It feels like you're our couples therapist.

• 40:02Fortune Feimster?

  But we do have to get to our question because it's very exciting.

• 40:05Tig Notaro?

  It is. Yes, it is very exciting.

• 40:08Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, this is such a cool honor to have our question askers that we have today.

• 40:14Tig Notaro?

  Yes, I know.

• 40:15Mae Martin?

  We're going big.

• 40:16Tig Notaro?

  We have. We've gone really big today. We're basically at the top of big.

• 40:22Mae Martin?

  We're kind of at the IMDB.

• 40:25Fortune Feimster?

  IMDB.

• 40:25Tig Notaro?

  We've gone high.

• 40:27Mae Martin?

  We've gone high.

• 40:28Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I mean, that's a little teaser. We've gone high.

• 40:32Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, not low. We've gone high, not low.

• 40:35Mae Martin?

  Today's question askers are siblings who grew up together in Chicago. One sibling is a lawyer and author who served as the first lady of the United States. The other currently serves as the executive director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson are asking today's question.

• 40:53Fortune Feimster?

  Nice. How cool. What an honor.

• 40:57Tig Notaro?

  Yes.

• 40:58Speaker 06

  Hey, handsome. Craig Robinson and my little sister Michelle here. We host a new podcast called IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson. We are such big fans of handsome. You guys keep us laughing every week. Now, we know you all have siblings yourselves, but we don't know enough about them. Here is our question.

• 41:22Fortune Feimster?

  What's one of your favorite childhood memories with a sibling? Aww, that's so cool.

• 41:29Mae Martin?

  That's crazy.

• 41:30Fortune Feimster?

  And of course, their video is shot gorgeously.

• 41:33Mae Martin?

  That's the most professional video question we've gotten.

• 41:38Fortune Feimster?

  Really is. They both look so good. Yeah, yeah.

• 41:42Tig Notaro?

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:43Mae Martin?

  Oh, I aspire.

• 41:45Tig Notaro?

  Look at us. We're just like all over the place.

• 41:47Fortune Feimster?

  We're all over the place. Trainers. I have wrinkled shirt. Be throwing pillows at each other.

• 41:54Tig Notaro?

  Every episode, I'm like, I could have steamed that shirt.

• 41:58Mae Martin?

  Oh, man.

• 41:58Tig Notaro?

  That's cool. They have a podcast together.

• 42:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Tig Notaro?

  I've been seeing, I've listened to it. It's really cool. And I've seen a lot of clips on your TikTok. And, and they had Barack on there as a guest.

• 42:10Mae Martin?

  Hard get.

• 42:11Tig Notaro?

  How'd they get him?

• 42:12Fortune Feimster?

  Hard get.

• 42:14Mae Martin?

  What would it be like if you guys had a podcast with your sibling? Like, what would?

• 42:19Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 42:20Mae Martin?

  What would that dynamic be?

• 42:22Tig Notaro?

  Well, my brother comes from sports radio.

• 42:24Mae Martin?

  Oh, no way.

• 42:25Tig Notaro?

  So this is like his world.

• 42:27Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Tig Notaro?

  He's podcasted. He, he does play by play.

• 42:31Mae Martin?

  Oh, my God.

• 42:32Tig Notaro?

  Um, he does all of that.

• 42:33Mae Martin?

  Well, we're coming at.

• 42:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. Let's follow that through.

• 42:37Mae Martin?

  Should I?

• 42:37Fortune Feimster?

  Well, we're.

• 42:38Mae Martin?

  Well, we're coming up on, well, we're coming up on a big season here. We got a couple of rounds coming, couple of rounds coming in fast.

• 42:47Fortune Feimster?

  Couple of rounds coming in fast.

• 42:49Mae Martin?

  Couple of rounds coming in fast.

• 42:50Tig Notaro?

  And, uh, no, no slow rounds coming in.

• 42:53Mae Martin?

  Of course, coming up from behind, we got a couple of slow rounds as well.

• 42:55Tig Notaro?

  Oh, man.

• 42:56Mae Martin?

  Um, okay. So you'd maybe do a sports?

• 42:59Tig Notaro?

  Well, I would imagine it might be my, my initial response or thought would be it'd be my brother telling me about sports, me having a bunch of questions.

• 43:09Mae Martin?

  I like that.

• 43:10Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 43:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 43:11Tig Notaro?

  All right. So I guess maybe I'll pitch that to HeadGum.

• 43:13Fortune Feimster?

  Well, my brother's on a fishing business together called Southern Kingfish Association. So they do some podcasting stuff.

• 43:21Mae Martin?

  No way.

• 43:21Fortune Feimster?

  From fishing tournaments.

• 43:23Tig Notaro?

  Wow.

• 43:23Mae Martin?

  But where would you fit in? And are they coming in with a couple of fast rounds?

• 43:26Fortune Feimster?

  The fishing, this more exciting. Cause I'm like, what? We're just gonna hear about fishing?

• 43:31Tig Notaro?

  I am truly one of those people that could watch, and this is a bad vegan, but I could, I love fishing shows.

• 43:38Mae Martin?

  It's pretty thrilling.

• 43:39Fortune Feimster?

  That's their whole world. They, and they throw tournaments themselves. So they live stream a lot of these tournaments. And I don't know if they actually like do commentary or anything, but.

• 43:49Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Fortune Feimster?

  I guess I would add a little flavor.

• 43:50Tig Notaro?

  Mmm.

• 43:51Fortune Feimster?

  To that fishing world.

• 43:52Tig Notaro?

  You just get in there and cuss.

• 43:54Fortune Feimster?

  I would know nothing of.

• 43:56Tig Notaro?

  That's not all I do.

• 43:57Fortune Feimster?

  That is all you do. You sing and you cuss. And, and you eat biscuits.

• 44:02Mae Martin?

  And you, and you cry.

• 44:03Fortune Feimster?

  And you cuss and eat biscuits.

• 44:06Mae Martin?

  That is right.

• 44:07Fortune Feimster?

  No.

• 44:09Fortune Feimster?

  God, I'm not gonna say it.

• 44:11Mae Martin?

  So what was the question was favorite memories?

• 44:13Fortune Feimster?

  A favorite memory with a sibling? Did I just say sibling?

• 44:18Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 44:19Tig Notaro?

  I don't know.

• 44:19Fortune Feimster?

  Sibling.

• 44:20Tig Notaro?

  Is that not the right word?

• 44:21Fortune Feimster?

  I think I said sibbing. Anyway, who cares?

• 44:24Tig Notaro?

  Nobody's listening.

• 44:30Mae Martin?

  I'm thinking of two.

• 44:32Fortune Feimster?

  They beat me up.

• 44:34Mae Martin?

  Oh, boy. Really?

• 44:35Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, they used to beat me up. They treated me like-

• 44:37Tig Notaro?

  Does it have to be childhood? Is that what they said?

• 44:40Fortune Feimster?

  They just said any.

• 44:41Tig Notaro?

  Did they beat you up as a grown woman?

• 44:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah, at what age?

• 44:45Fortune Feimster?

  We had a fight club.

• 44:46Mae Martin?

  Yeah, at what age does it become really problematic?

• 44:52Fortune Feimster?

  You guys, we have to get out of this stage.

• 44:56Fortune Feimster?

  They treated me like one of the boys, which I wanted.

• 45:00Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 45:01Fortune Feimster?

  But that also was hard.

• 45:02Tig Notaro?

  Until it was time for your beating.

• 45:06Fortune Feimster?

  I'm like, I'm tough. I can hang with you guys. Because there was a, the whole neighborhood was boys. So I wanted to be in the group and be included.

• 45:13Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 45:14Fortune Feimster?

  And my mom would be like, "Don't leave your sister." And I'd be like, "Ha, ha, you guys have to fucking take me, Cassie."

• 45:20Tig Notaro?

  There we go.

• 45:21Fortune Feimster?

  And they were like, "Ugh." And then I would try to be like, "See, I belong here." And then like, within an hour, I'm like, "Oh, my God."

• 45:29Tig Notaro?

  It hurts.

• 45:31Fortune Feimster?

  Why did you push me?

• 45:35Fortune Feimster?

  So, yeah.

• 45:36Tig Notaro?

  That would be so funny.

• 45:40Tig Notaro?

  To see two grown men beating up your sister. Of course, it wouldn't really be funny. Like in a cartoon.

• 45:48Fortune Feimster?

  That's how we handle conflict.

• 45:53Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, gosh.

• 45:54Mae Martin?

  Favorite, favorite memories? The two that come to mind, I've probably said them before, but- One is, my parents went away on vacation somewhere and they left us alone. And it was the year that Phantom Menace came out. So, what is that, 2000 maybe? 99? Thomas.

• 46:12Tig Notaro?

  Why would any of us know the year?

• 46:14Mae Martin?

  I looked directly at Thomas.

• 46:15Speaker 05

  99.

• 46:16Mae Martin?

  99, so I was... Why can't I do this? 12. I was 12.

• 46:21Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 46:22Mae Martin?

  And my brother was 16, I guess. And my parents went away for like a... I thought I... I swear I was younger than that. Anyway, they left us alone for like a week in the house.

• 46:33Tig Notaro?

  Nobody's gonna fact check this, by the way.

• 46:36Mae Martin?

  And my parents were pretty permissive, but one of their... Two of their weird rules were you weren't allowed to watch wrestling.

• 46:44Tig Notaro?

  Oh.

• 46:44Mae Martin?

  Like WWF.

• 46:45Tig Notaro?

  Okay, cuz it could lead to you guys beating each other.

• 46:49Mae Martin?

  And you weren't... We weren't allowed to have whipped cream from the can.

• 46:53Tig Notaro?

  Oh. Wait, those were your two rules?

• 46:56Mae Martin?

  Everything else was fair day. Everything else was... Those were pretty much... Those were two big ones.

• 47:02Tig Notaro?

  For your childhood.

• 47:03Mae Martin?

  I don't know why those... Basically, when they...

• 47:06Tig Notaro?

  The whipped cream danger.

• 47:08Mae Martin?

  I think they just decided like...

• 47:09Tig Notaro?

  From the can. Like you can't...

• 47:13Mae Martin?

  And we couldn't have it in the house. They were just like, "It's not real food." It's like, you know, and we ate tons of not real food, so... Like Cheez Whiz every day.

• 47:21Tig Notaro?

  I know what happened.

• 47:22Mae Martin?

  What?

• 47:23Tig Notaro?

  Your mother loves it so much. She didn't want it in the house.

• 47:27Mae Martin?

  That...

• 47:27Tig Notaro?

  Oh, wow.

• 47:28Mae Martin?

  100%. Or my dad.

• 47:29Tig Notaro?

  You didn't even have to pay for that. Yeah, sorry to make it sexist, but like somebody...

• 47:33Mae Martin?

  I bet you, you're right.

• 47:34Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, somebody was like, "I have no control." Cuz it's so weird. It's like, um, no wrestling and also none of those pinwheel lollipops.

• 47:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah. It's like, we weren't gonna get them.

• 47:46Tig Notaro?

  With whipped cream on top. None of that in the house.

• 47:49Mae Martin?

  One of them loved wrestling too much as well.

• 47:51Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 47:53Mae Martin?

  Anyway, my parents go away and... As soon as the taxi pulled away to the airport.

• 47:59Fortune Feimster?

  Wrestling and whipped cream.

• 48:00Mae Martin?

  We ran to the corner store. We got a can of whipped cream, came back, threw on the wrestling. And it was so joyful and we had the funnest week, just the two of us, doing everything we weren't supposed to do and laughing. We went to see Phantom Menace, so disappointing, but that was great. And then also, as an adult, he came to visit me in England. And I was just so glad that we made the time to do that. And we went on this walking tour of a cemetery. And my brother's like a deep history buff and was asking such interesting questions. And to see him in public as an adult, like, and he was so confident and everyone was fascinated by his questions. And I was just like seeing him through the world's eyes.

• 48:43Mae Martin?

  Being like, what a wonderful man. Then we were leaving and we'd walked quite a ways and he said, oh, I'm so sorry, I have to go back quickly. And he went all the way back and went to our guide and went, uh, thank you so much. That was a really interesting tour. I was, thank you. He'd forgotten to thank the guide. He went all the way back to thank him.

• 49:02Fortune Feimster?

  That's so nice.

• 49:03Mae Martin?

  Two favorites, yeah.

• 49:04Fortune Feimster?

  Aww.

• 49:05Mae Martin?

  What about you guys?

• 49:06Fortune Feimster?

  I'm trying to think of something with us all together, but I can only think of individual ones. My brother Jay, when I lived in Spain, he and my mom came to visit and that was cool, like getting to, like, we traveled Spain and around Spain and France together for like three and a half weeks.

• 49:23Mae Martin?

  Whoa.

• 49:24Fortune Feimster?

  Um, and he, uh, and I were kinda like the mom and dad and my mom was kinda the child.

• 49:31Fortune Feimster?

  She's like in the backseat going, look at those orange trees. I'm gonna go over there. Let's go pick up some rocks. And we're like, no, we're always like, no, just sit there.

• 49:43Mae Martin?

  Just sit there.

• 49:46Fortune Feimster?

  No, just sit there. She's just like a child, look at that, look at that, look at that. So that makes me laugh.

• 49:55Mae Martin?

  That's so funny.

• 49:57Fortune Feimster?

  We just, and we were staying in like the cheapest places because we didn't have, you know, none of us were, had much money and the last night, he's like, I'm splurging, I'm getting us a nice hotel room and we, it just, a lot, we just laughed a lot and had a good time. And then recently, he and I had kinda, we sometimes butt heads and had, had been butting heads for a while. And then finally let all that stuff go and had a weekend together at my mom's like a couple of months ago.

• 50:30Mae Martin?

  Oh no.

• 50:30Fortune Feimster?

  Where it just felt like we were kids all over again. We had not spent that kind of time together as adults. We like went to Topgolf and went to a movie and went to dinner and I was just like, it's so nice to be having this kind of experience with my brother, me in my mid 40s and him in his late 40s. And then my other brother is my, our oldest brother, he's seven years older than me. So he always kind of took on a dad role. And so we had, we used to wrestle a lot when we were kids.

• 51:02Mae Martin?

  With whipped cream?

• 51:03Fortune Feimster?

  Uh, no whipped cream. But he, um, he was such a good guy. Like he really tried to sort of make up where sometimes my parents lacked. And he went to college like two weeks after my parents divorced.

• 51:18Mae Martin?

  Oh man.

• 51:19Fortune Feimster?

  And I was 12 and I'm losing my big brother and my parents are divorcing and I was just traumatized. Our dog died.

• 51:27Mae Martin?

  No, my god.

• 51:28Fortune Feimster?

  Couple of weeks before that.

• 51:30Mae Martin?

  You tend to do things like in chunks.

• 51:33Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I know.

• 51:34Mae Martin?

  Like everything will come in a deluge. Yeah, I'm pumped for you to get through this deluge.

• 51:38Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. And he, you know, my dad traveled a lot back then. So Price would kind of be the one to teach me how to throw a softball or to play soccer with me in the yard. And so he was very dad-like. So when he was at college, I loved to go visit him. It felt so cool and his friends were so nice to me. Well, he is an 18-year-old boy, I'll never forget this, had his, he made all these wonderful friends who are women, like platonically. And he would have them write me letters, like in the mail, sending me letters when I would like saying like, your brother said, you know, your parents are going through a divorce and you're going through a hard time and

• 52:18Fortune Feimster?

  we just wanted to check on you and make sure you're okay and you know, come visit anytime. I would get these letters his friends and because he asked them to help look out for me and I that will always be a memory of of him that I really cherish because I thought, what 18 year old boy

• 52:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Fortune Feimster?

  has that, you know, type of foresight and the to be like, can you make sure my sister's okay?

• 52:44Mae Martin?

  That's really sweet.

• 52:45Fortune Feimster?

  Which is so interesting because he is not an emotional guy. He's not a hugger. He's not, he does not talk about feelings.

• 52:51Mae Martin?

  So he um

• 52:52Fortune Feimster?

  He had other people facilitate.

• 52:54Tig Notaro?

  He was more into beating.

• 52:59Mae Martin?

  Oh, that's so nice.

• 53:00Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, and he and I used to play like mixed doubles together, like sports were kind of our love language with each other. And so yeah, but I I definitely remember that that fondly.

• 53:10Tig Notaro?

  That's awesome.

• 53:11Mae Martin?

  Love that. How about you?

• 53:13Tig Notaro?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, I have to say, you know, I've shared on here just how my brother is just like, I I'm seeing such a different side of him.

• 53:28Mae Martin?

  Oh, yeah, since he had this daughter.

• 53:29Tig Notaro?

  Yes, like, you know, he's married, he has his kids and I think it's it's to my my family's very into like ribbing each other and all that kind of stuff.

• 53:41Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Tig Notaro?

  It's just so fun to see my my brother is like a big guy, like, yeah, you know, this kind of guy.

• 53:51Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Tig Notaro?

  Collects whiskey.

• 53:53Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 53:54Tig Notaro?

  You know, has a Always has some smelly dog. Look, their dog isn't smelly.

• 54:01Tig Notaro?

  His old dog was.

• 54:02Mae Martin?

  Isn't it a little smelly?

• 54:03Tig Notaro?

  No, the old dog is the one I'm thinking about. But anyway, you know, he's the Rolling Stones and whiskey and all that kind of his dog. And then just to see, I, his wife reached out to me when their daughter, my niece, was turning one and asked me to come surprise my brother for her first birthday. And I would have to say that was one of the best experiences was my brother coming downstairs and I'm sitting there with his wife and kids and he was like, he had just gotten out of the shop. You could tell he really could not comprehend what he was saying.

• 54:42Mae Martin?

  His reality was like.

• 54:45Tig Notaro?

  What? And then, and then just really, you know, I was there when my niece was born, but to come back when she was turning one and to see my brother just loving getting her in her little dresses and putting bows in her hair and just like having no, like, you know, he's, no shame about it. He's like, he's like, what? Yeah, this is her color. She looks great in lilac. And, you know, but.

• 55:13Mae Martin?

  Looks great in lilac.

• 55:14Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. He was like, what? You think she doesn't look good in that? This is her color. And I'm like, but who are you? But yeah, that was, I think, one of the best experiences with my brother was seeing him, not just as a father, but a father to a little girl.

• 55:32Mae Martin?

  That's really sweet.

• 55:33Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. I really still don't know who he is.

• 55:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 55:37Tig Notaro?

  I really don't. It's probably like your older brother. Like if you saw him, like.

• 55:41Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Tig Notaro?

  You know, and I call her his little dolly.

• 55:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Tig Notaro?

  I was like, I didn't know you needed a little dolly all these years.

• 55:48Mae Martin?

  That's all he needed.

• 55:49Fortune Feimster?

  I do feel like my, that my brother would have been that way too, had he had a girl. He had a boy, but I could see a girl would have brought out that side of him too, I think.

• 56:00Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. It's, it's really, that whole idea of when you think you know someone.

• 56:06Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Tig Notaro?

  I don't know if this is good or bad, but my friends used to always be like, I'm gonna have you meet this person. I feel like you have a good take on, and I used to believe that about myself. Like, yeah, I can.

• 56:17Mae Martin?

  I can read people.

• 56:18Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. No, you can't. Like, you, people do curveballs and like, become better people, or then do horrendous things after decades of knowing them. It's like, I give up, but, um.

• 56:33Tig Notaro?

  On a positive twist, my brother really surprised me.

• 56:38Mae Martin?

  I love that. That's great. Was, would you get into trouble together growing up? Like, were, like?

• 56:43Tig Notaro?

  No, my brother was so, I was, I handled all the trouble.

• 56:48Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:49Tig Notaro?

  I did all that. You know, my brother was.

• 56:51Mae Martin?

  Straight edge.

• 56:52Tig Notaro?

  He made, he made good grades and was on all the sports teams and I was really lagging behind, struggling. Like, my brother believed in Santa Claus for so long. And I like brought him into my mother's closet and said, these, these are our Christmas presents. And he was like, Tig. He was like sad and hurt, you know?

• 57:15Fortune Feimster?

  He wanted the magic to continue.

• 57:17Tig Notaro?

  This is my older big brother, you know?

• 57:19Mae Martin?

  You're in your 30s.

• 57:20Tig Notaro?

  And I'm like smoking, going, look, that's yours. These are mine. There's no Santa, you know?

• 57:28Tig Notaro?

  So, um, no, I don't, I don't think we really got into trouble. Um, yeah, I handled all that.

• 57:35Mae Martin?

  How do your, your brothers all feel about you doing comedy and stuff? Like, if they, are they, did they get it? Are they into it?

• 57:42Tig Notaro?

  My brother listens to this show. He follows.

• 57:44Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, shout out.

• 57:45Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 57:47Tig Notaro?

  But he, um, I, I think he follows just even comedy in general more than I do. But he's, he's very into it. He's a huge Will Ferrell fan.

• 57:56Mae Martin?

  More than you do is hilarious.

• 57:57Tig Notaro?

  Well, yeah.

• 57:58Fortune Feimster?

  Like, as far as watching other standups.

• 58:00Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 58:02Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's nice.

• 58:03Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, my brothers are into it, too. The, every story, you know, I talk a lot about my family. So, a lot of their friends come up to them, because Feimster is obviously a very, yeah, a specific name. They're like, is that your sister? And, uh, or people they don't know. And, um. They're always asking them if the stories are true. And my brothers are always like, it's very true. And so I think they get a kick out of hearing me retell something that they also have experienced.

• 58:30Mae Martin?

  It's like you're canonizing the mythology of their childhood.

• 58:33Fortune Feimster?

  Exactly. So I think they like that. And then, you know, they're boys, so, you know, we don't dig too deep that much.

• 58:41Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 58:42Fortune Feimster?

  And then every now and then, you know, my, again, my oldest brother will be like, we are proud of you. I know we don't say it, but we are.

• 58:52Mae Martin?

  And we won't say it again.

• 58:53Fortune Feimster?

  We won't say it again. And I'll be like, oh, because, you know, for whatever reason, as the youngest, I've, I don't know why this has fallen on my lap, but I've always kind of had to take care of things in my family, at least for a while. It maybe more financially and, and just kind of some of my parents' burdens have fallen on me. My mom's gonna be, how dare you?

• 59:20Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know how to describe it.

• 59:21Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 59:21Fortune Feimster?

  And as far as, again, financial, and so I think I get sometimes into the like, oh, like, why is this always my responsibility? And I think I occasionally feel not appreciated. And then my brother will be like, we appreciate you.

• 59:42Mae Martin?

  You're like, I'm gonna stop, stop beating my pillow now.

• 59:45Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. Well, should we hear their answer?

• 59:47Mae Martin?

  Oh, yes, please. Yeah. Uh, yes, please. Uh, yes, please, please.

• 59:53Speaker 06

  What's one of your favorite childhood memories? My favorite childhood memory is we have been put to bed in our room. We have the paneling dividing that grandpa built. Yeah. And it's got a little space at the top. Mm hmm. And I would throw the little small square pillow that we had over the top. And you would catch it and you would throw it back to me. And we would have different kind of events. It had to be, it would, one would be the two-hand catch. One would be the one-hand catch. One would be the off-hand catch.

• 1:00:31Speaker 06

  I still remember that to this day.

• 1:00:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, we had some good times in that divided up room playing our games.

• 1:00:37Speaker 06

  Well, what's, what's one of your favorite memories?

• 1:00:39Speaker 07

  One of my favorite sibling memories is Christmas, any Christmas morning, right?

• 1:00:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 07

  Because, you know, we lived in a small apartment, but the anticipation of Christmas and Santa Claus coming and our mom used to deck the house out, our little bitty apartment. She, I remember the time that she created a makeshift chimney.

• 1:01:02Speaker 06

  I remember that.

• 1:01:03Speaker 07

  Out of corrugated, um, paper that looked like a chimney and put it over our radiator. Because she, and dad painted, um, because our dad was an artist and he painted, um, an oil, uh, a clear, uh, fire.

• 1:01:17Speaker 06

  Fire.

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  And they put a light behind it to make it feel like we had a fireplace and a chimney that Santa Claus could come down. Um, but you always got up first.

• 1:01:27Speaker 06

  Always.

• 1:01:28Speaker 07

  And you never went out to check for Santa, whether Santa had been there unless you woke me up and I was ready. And I would remember you saying, "Miche, Santa Claus has been here." And we'd go out there and start our Christmas.

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:01:43Speaker 07

  So those are some of my favorite memories.

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  Great memory.

• 1:01:46Speaker 07

  Thanks, handsome.

• 1:01:47Speaker 06

  See ya.

• 1:01:48Fortune Feimster?

  Thanks, Michelle and Craig.

• 1:01:50Mae Martin?

  Thanks, Michelle and Craig.

• 1:01:52Fortune Feimster?

  Stories all day long.

• 1:01:53Mae Martin?

  Yeah, Christmas morning is a classic. It's always the kids up first.

• 1:01:57Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Tig Notaro?

  I remember one Christmas, my brother and I decided to get up at like three in the morning.

• 1:02:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah, it's still dark.

• 1:02:05Fortune Feimster?

  When you still believe.

• 1:02:08Tig Notaro?

  I mean.

• 1:02:09Mae Martin?

  Oh, yeah. And your parents still awake from the night before?

• 1:02:12Tig Notaro?

  Passed out on the couch. Trash.

• 1:02:18Fortune Feimster?

  That was so cool having Michelle and Craig ask a question.

• 1:02:21Mae Martin?

  So cool. Thank you.

• 1:02:23Fortune Feimster?

  She's incredible. I, Craig, I've started, you know, get to know through their podcast, but, um, man, what a lady.

• 1:02:30Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Fortune Feimster?

  What a first lady.

• 1:02:31Mae Martin?

  Yes, what a first lady.

• 1:02:33Tig Notaro?

  Come back.

• 1:02:34Mae Martin?

  Please, please, God, come back.

• 1:02:36Tig Notaro?

  Please come back. If anybody's watching.

• 1:02:39Mae Martin?

  Be the president.

• 1:02:41Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, what a fun episode. Please, if you like this show or this episode, share it with a friend. Let's help build the handsome community. Also, make sure to...

• 1:02:54Tig Notaro?

  Subscribe, rate, review. Review. All of that helps keep the show going.

• 1:03:00Mae Martin?

  Check out handsomepod.com for cool new merch.

• 1:03:02Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, the holidays are coming soon, so merch is a good present, I would say.

• 1:03:08Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Tig Notaro?

  But also, oh, go to tignotaro.com to find out where I'll be working out my... What is my new show?

• 1:03:16Mae Martin?

  Not my best.

• 1:03:16Tig Notaro?

  Not my best.

• 1:03:19Tig Notaro?

  Oh, my gosh, yes.

• 1:03:23Mae Martin?

  And you can go to maymartin.net, I want to say, for tickets to my big tour next year. I'm coming to 35 cities in North America. I really want to see you and hang out.

• 1:03:34Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:35Tig Notaro?

  Those tickets will sell, my friend.

• 1:03:37Fortune Feimster?

  I guess if we're going to websites.

• 1:03:39Mae Martin?

  Go to IMDb and check out.

• 1:03:41Fortune Feimster?

  Why not go to...

• 1:03:42Mae Martin?

  Check out our star meter.

• 1:03:43Fortune Feimster?

  Star meter. You can go to my website, fortunefeamster.com. I am coming to Chicago and San Jose, Fresno, Charlotte, North Carolina, St. Petersburg, Florida, and Orlando, Florida. And then for... I would love for the handsome fans to come join me on New Year's Eve in Seattle. I'm doing a New Year's Eve show and then Vancouver the night before that. And then a bunch of more, a bunch of more dates in the new year.

• 1:04:13Tig Notaro?

  You heard him. Also, make a note, November 14th, Apple TV, Come See Me in the Good Light, the Andrea Gibson and Megan Faley documentary that I produced. So proud of it. Until next time.

• 1:04:26Fortune Feimster?

  Keep it handsome.

• 1:04:29Mae Martin?

  Handsome is hosted by me, Mae Martin, Tig Notaro, and Fortune Feimster. The show is produced, recorded, and edited by Thomas Willett. Email us at [email protected]. And please follow us on social media, at HandsomePod.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  What a podcast.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

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• 1:04:53Speaker 06

  What's going on? It's Lamorne Morris.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  And Hannah Simone.

• 1:04:56Speaker 06

  And we host The Mess Around, a New Girl rewatch podcast on HeadGum. Now, here's the thing. Every single week, we chat about an episode of New Girl, and we really get into it. Like, we get up in there. We get up in there. You know, we reminisce about our times on set. We share behind-the-scenes tea. We react to rewatching episodes that we haven't seen in years. We talk about how Jake Johnson is dog-

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  That's not true. We talk about so many memories we have of working with the biggest stars on the planet. I'm talking Prince, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo.

• 1:05:31Speaker 06

  We're just two BFFs having a good old time, okay? Sometimes, we even talk to other co-stars like Zooey Deschanel, Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield, and Damon Wayans Jr., and your dad. We talk to your dad on this show as well.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Make sure you subscribe to The Mess Around wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes drop every single Tuesday.