Fraud Friday: Lady Gangsters: The Forty Elephants w/ Aida Rodriguez

This week, Aida Rodriguez (Aida Rodriguez: Fighting Words) joins Laci to uncover the stylish, all-female gang that terrorized London for much of the 1900s—pulling off daring heists, implementing loyalty, and pinning the blame on their lover boys. Plus, a man pleads guilty in a lost luggage scam resulting in over $300,000 worth of fraudulent claims. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 12/13/2021) CON-gregation, catch Laci's new TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Aida Rodriguez: @funnyaida Research by Kaelyn Brandt. Sources: https://theculturetrip.com/europe/united-kingdom/england/london/articles/the-story-behind-londons-notorious-girl-gang-the-forty-elephants/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3366655/Such-seductive-shoplifters-Stuffing-loot-bloomers-ruthless-girl-gang-spread-havoc-London-flirting-victims-battering-diamond-ring-knuckle-dusters.html https://www.nola.com/news/courts/article_bb5397d0-4fbe-11ec-9f2c-8f0e24e5e73a.html

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• 2:01Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:42Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery and fraud and those who participate in them. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see. As always, guys, I'm very, yes, excited. I am excited for today's guest. Okay, we be out here hunting them down, getting them, you know, scamming them to get on the podcast. And when we get comedy queens like this, I just get real hype, y'all. Today, we have a comedian, a writer, and actor. Her first hour-long comedy special, Fighting Words, is out now on HBO Max, right now. Fighting Words, get into it. She's also developing a half-hour comedy based on her life at HBO Max as well. The girl's about to be all over HBO and the Max.

• 3:25Laci Mosley?

  Congregation, please welcome Aida Rodriguez.

• 3:28Speaker 05

  Hey, I love that intro. Can I just take that recording with me? So that I can, when I'm on the road, I can just play your intro for me? That's the most respect I've gotten in a long time.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. Girl, you about to get it all. You about to get all the flowers. I know, I wish I had someone playing the intro for me when I walked into places, because people don't know who I am. I'm like, I wish, I wish, they know who you are. I wish I could tell them. Like, nah, this is me. I walk in, I got a boombox like Radio Raheem.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  I love Radio Raheem. Rest in peace. He was the best.

• 4:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes. Okay, so I, I would want to, I would want to get you on the show for a minute. I'm very excited that you're here. Um, I do have to ask you, and you can answer this however you want. Given the statute of limitations, you know, don't, don't fuck up your bag, but like, do you like scams? Like, what's your relationship with scams? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Ever participated in a scam lawfully? You can share, like, anything. It could be anything.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  So I'm gonna tell you right now, uh, I think that some scams are good for society. And I'll tell you why. You know, uh, uh, here we go. They gonna say, here she go talking about race. But the reality of it is that white supremacy is real. It is the cousin of capitalism. And a lot of times why our black and brown people resort to scams is because they lack resources. And sometimes it doesn't even the playing field, but at least it puts a, a win in the bucket for people who, who have been systemically oppressed. And so I'm not mad at, uh, people who get an, get over on these, you know, corporations and organizations.

• 5:07Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  They keep their foot on black and brown people's necks. So don't at me, playa. Cause I'm not, I ain't going back and forth with you about, you know, the inadequacies of people of color.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely. No, listen, they get it on this podcast. They, they know after a while, they're like, oh, she gonna talk about race. That's my scam. We gonna do comedy on this podcast. I'mma talk to you a little bit about race and the plight of the black community. I recently got someone leaving a review that was like, um, hey, this is me doing my bit of, um, reparations for the day by leaving a black queen a, a, a nice review on Apple Podcast. So you're not supposed to write that part on Apple Podcast. You're not supposed to be like, this is me, uh, doing my job as a white.

• 5:53Speaker 05

  That's funny, though.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  It is. It's very funny, but I was like, you know, you know, you had to write that on the actual Apple reviews. Okay. I mean, now, listen, do rate and subscribe, okay, and tell a friend. That is some activism for the day. Uh, but you can do more. We can all do more, but do that at the very least.

• 6:08Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, absolutely. And go do it right now and do some creative writing, write an amazing stellar review.

• 6:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about scams that are popping on the streets and more often than not, these days, you guys know, we just get your listener letters as always, snitch on your friends and family at scam dot us pod at gmail dot com. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. And since, you know, I mean, you already brought up, um, kind of corporate scamming and stuff. So we have a listener letter today, actually, that is adjacent to that. So, uh, I need a fake name. It could be anything. We don't care about gender.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  Let's call her Daniel.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  Daniel, damn, Daniel. All right. Daniel says, long time listener, first time submitter. I love when y'all do that, like, long time listener, first time caller, like, I don't know why it makes me laugh. But I got this fax. Fax? What are they still doing them at? Fax? You mean the one with the buttons and the number and then your phone gotta be off and then the internet gotta be on fax?

• 7:14Laci Mosley?

  Max fax, no printer? The worst, the worst lyrical Marianne has ever, uh, said.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  Omarion is trending right now.

• 7:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, he is because of the Omicron variant. And it's so funny to me. I saw a tweet that was like, yeah, if you get that Omarion, they say it's gonna be an ice box where your heart used to be, like.

• 7:35Speaker 05

  I love Black Twitter, boy.

• 7:37Laci Mosley?

  Black Twitter goes up. They say y'all better wash your hands before you touch. Yes. Omarion deserves this. Get your flowers, even if it's through a pandemic. Um, I don't, you know, look, I'm ready for all the variants to probate. We about to get the whole Greek alphabet and we just gotta be ready, you know, uh. I'm sure the sigmas will pull up, like every sorority fraternity, you know, will have a pie.

• 8:03Laci Mosley?

  We'll have an eighty pie variant, you know, it's just gonna happen. So I hope we can all just get vaccinated and boosted and stay out of each other's faces and just.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  Be here.

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  How come nobody told us how pandemics ended? Cause you know, you hear about smallpox, you hear about rubella, you hear about scarlet fever, but nobody was ever just like, okay, Miss Scarlet is out of here, y'all, back to the pub, like, we don't, no one ever talks about how they ended.

• 8:26Speaker 05

  Cause all the people who were documented died.

• 8:30Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  Sorry, that's the dark comedian in me.

• 8:35Laci Mosley?

  We love it.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  But that's real, though, like, that's true, though, that's true.

• 8:40Laci Mosley?

  Nobody ever was like, and then Tuesday, uh, January ninth, eighteen twenty-two, it was over, like, nobody ever. Nobody ever tells us when it was over.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  That's absolutely right, though.

• 8:55Laci Mosley?

  And I'm like, I'm trying to look at history and follow history and I'm like, well, I don't know what's gonna happen to us, we might just be here, bro, this is so unfair. I'm already a millennial and then I gotta live through a pandemic, this ain't fair.

• 9:05Speaker 05

  You see, I'm like, hmm, that's, I'm like the emoji, I'm thinking about this, like, that's absolutely right, I'm gonna do some research on it, I need hope, I need some hope.

• 9:14Laci Mosley?

  Right, we're Obama, we need some hope, we probably somewhere with Richard Branson on a yacht, and you know what, love that for him, leave us behind, King.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  Peace out, King, we understand, so, uh, they get a fax at their workplace, um, and it says that this fax came into my work's non-public fax number, so this the fax number on the low-low, this the burner fax, okay, this the, this the flip phone fax, cool, cool, cool, cool. So it says that I find it hilarious that scammers send out faxes like this, just hoping that some dumb business or grandma will respond with the information, don't be calling people, I boy, that's dumb, but.

• 9:53Speaker 05

  I know.

• 9:54Laci Mosley?

  They just lonely, so, just made my day and wanted to let y'all laugh at it, too, it's like a who's who scam from high school, except for it's a COVID awards. Love your show, okay, all in some nice things, yes, yes, okay, the COVID awards, what? Okay, so it says who's who and then it says in executives and professionals free nominations. So you can nominate someone at your job for free for the who's who of uh covid awards. Stay with me here. Uh, the letter says greetings. Okay, we love a, we love a nice salutation. They said grand rising from the fax machine. Okay.

• 10:36Laci Mosley?

  It's my pleasure to inform you that you have been considered for the inclusion of the 2021 who's who executive professional honors edition. Um, this is a registry dedicated to the first responders and victims of covid nineteen. Recognition of this kind is an honor shared by thousands of carefully selected executives, professionals throughout North America each year. What you mean each year? We've had a pandemic for two years.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Two, not even two yet. It'll be two in March, right?

• 11:04Laci Mosley?

  Uh, yeah, yeah, we getting close. Yeah, I think you're right, two in March. So how many years have y'all been giving out this award? Cause

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  the math not mathing. Covid ain't been here that long. What else do you know? You know something else that Trump knew that he didn't tell us? So upon final confirmation and verification, you will be listed among the most accomplished professionals in the who's who executive and professionals honor edition. Um, what kind of executives? What kind of professionals? This is the most vague language I've ever seen.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  This went to a fax machine that is centered in front of all of the cubicles. Or and like you are the executives. That's really fun. Wow.

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  Like what is that even? What is an exec like executive? We're talking CEO, CFO, what, what kind of executive? Also, what is the honor? Are we gonna be in a newspaper? We gonna be in Voyage magazine, which I told you was a scam. Stop giving Voyage all your friends personal emails and information to have a fake article honoring you. Stop it.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  I'm so glad you said it. I'm so. They got me before.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  They got me too.

• 12:15Speaker 05

  But it was like twenty, like, I would say twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen.

• 12:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, see, that was when we didn't know it was a scam. And I was like, sure, I'll give up my personal contact list of emails for an article that I'm gonna write myself with many grammatical errors. And I'mma post it on my Instagram, like, look, y'all, they, they talk about your girl.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  That's hysterical because it's true.

• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  They give your girl accolades. Okay, see, I am an actress. Says this website. They emailed me because they, my friend gave me up.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  That is so fu- oh, my god.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  It's still happening.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  I know. I was gonna say, I just, I know someone who just posted.

• 12:56Laci Mosley?

  And I'm like, look, y'all, it's getting written up in articles and stuff, especially if you're in entertainment, even if you're not, like, you know, there's so many articles, like, uh, one of my aunts is about to be in Dallas, uh, Black Women CEOs Magazine. And that, and, and it's legit, and they're taking photos of her, and they're doing all this stuff, like, I know that feels good to be recognized and feel like you having a little moment of fame. I get it. But if you gotta orchestrate the whole moment of fame yourself, you might as well just wrote a blog.

• 13:23Laci Mosley?

  If they, if they hit you up and say, hey, girl, we honoring you. Yeah, the ceremony gonna be at your house. We will need you to provide snacks and, uh, accoutrements.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Go ahead and tell it. Go ahead and tell it.

• 13:36Laci Mosley?

  Make sure your camera battery is charged up so you can take videos of us presenting the award that you will need to purchase from Party City. Like, what is this? Wait a minute.

• 13:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, it's too funny, but it's too true. Wow.

• 13:49Laci Mosley?

  And so I just, this is so fascinating because I'm trying to understand what they're after. It says, for accuracy and publication deadlines, please return your application form to us immediately because space is limited. What's immediately? There's no deadline? You just said, fast?

• 14:05Laci Mosley?

  Fast is relative.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  That's the voyage of, of, uh, that is the voyage of the business world. Like, they really, they really tried it.

• 14:16Laci Mosley?

  And they said it as a fax, because that was supposed to make it more legit, I guess. It says, "There is," in all caps, and it's bold, "There is no cost to be included. On behalf of our Chairman of the Board, we wish you continued success." Who is the Chairman of the Board? Giuseppe Castellano?

• 14:34Speaker 05

  Let's pick him up.

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  So what they want is your name, your company name, title, years of service. They want your company website, complete address, phone number, cell, email, specialty, and signature. Now, what are they gonna do with all this information? Is that enough to scam somebody?

• 14:51Speaker 05

  They're gonna sell it, right? I'm looking up Giuseppe Castellano on LinkedIn.

• 14:58Laci Mosley?

  Not on LinkedIn.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  Well, that's where, right? That's an executive.

• 15:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's where he would be, right?

• 15:03Speaker 05

  Nowhere to be found.

• 15:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord, Giuseppe.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  There ain't even, there ain't even a Giuseppe Castellano, period. Because, you know, there is a Giuseppe. There's, it doesn't even exist.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  Wow, Giuseppe, wow. You couldn't even come up with a name if somebody actually already had. You could have been Mike Hart. You know how many Mike Harts there are on LinkedIn? Could have been anybody.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  Castellano was an Italian general who negotiated the armistice between Italy and Allied Armed Forces. Um, ooh.

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, what year was that? That would explain why he faxing. Like, he's faxing from the dead.

• 15:38Speaker 05

  1943.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he faxed it from the great beyond. Okay, Giuseppe. Wow, I mean, look, guys, when anybody tries to tell you that they're giving you something and they don't want anything in return but your personal information, uh, that's, that sounds like a return to me. Like, also, like, they didn't even say how the award is presented, where it's located. They didn't even list off any winners from previous years. They didn't even say what the criteria was, or when it was due.

• 16:07Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm, mm, that's a scam for sure.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  They said, "Whenever you can get it to us, we'll take your information, actually, whenever." Like.

• 16:16Speaker 05

  And, you know, I learned from a friend of mine who's a federal agent that... All people who do identity theft need sometimes is your, an email address or a phone number connected to your bank account. And they're in.

• 16:31Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  So email addresses and phone numbers, and he told me, never have your phone number that's connected to your bank account on your Facebook or your IG account. Because they can get in and they can get you.

• 16:44Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so that makes so much sense to me because Instagram and Facebook wanna have all of your personal information anyway, and they're constantly asking for your phone number. They do not need your phone number. If you wanna instant message somebody on Facebook or DM them on Facebook, your cell phone number does not have to be involved in that. And they will keep prompting it, like, oh, two factor security, safety. When in reality, if somebody gets access to your Instagram, which people can do just by you clicking a link in a DM, they could potentially have everything they need to rob you.

• 17:13Speaker 05

  100% and they do.

• 17:15Laci Mosley?

  And they do.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  He got, got, they, this guy, uh, said, I'm in and I have access to your bank account. He said, I have access to all of your stuff, your iCloud. So if you don't give me X amount of dollars, I will out your pictures. And he ended up negotiating with the guy and gave him some money. But I was like, what kind of pictures you got on your phone? You don't wanna let me see.

• 17:40Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know you taking way too many booty hole flicks. If, if you immediately were like, let's broker this situation. Okay, so these are my terms. This is what I'm willing to give. Like you went immediately into the blackmail. Also, I don't believe in blackmail, cuz I'm telling y'all, like, if you black, if, unless you are getting blackmailed and there's a singular CD-ROM that can't be copied, that you're buying back from somebody, then the information is still there. That person could've screenshot all your photos, like, could still have access to your cloud. The cloud is amorphous. Nobody knows how it works.

• 18:13Speaker 05

  That's absolutely correct. And for me, it's like, if I'mma go down, I'mma burn my own house down. That's why I tell all my business, uh, in my comedy, because I'm like, I'm about to let y'all do that to me. I do it myself.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  I just, she's canceling herself.

• 18:32Speaker 05

  I burned myself down. Like, I'm not, I'm not giving anybody the satisfaction of doing that to me. I'll let you know everything you need to know. Yeah, I did it.

• 18:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. And listen, that's, that's also another way to absolve yourself. But in this case, I think, guys, if you come to a situation where someone's trying to blackmail you, maybe just wait it out. Wait a little bit. You know what I mean? Cause like, what's the worst they're gonna do? They're gonna leak your photos? This is a lot of work for them not to get any money.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  Yes, I agree with you.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  So if you just wait, they might just move on to the next target. And you might be good. You might just be able to get out of it. So that's my advice on that situation. Now, don't quote me. Don't try to sue me. Don't have me having to call for my abugado fund. Cause there's several best, uh, bus benches around here that I could call. Okay, so I will, I will see you in court. No, but guys, as always, don't volunteer your information. Guys, don't, just don't give it up. Don't give it up. So much of our information is already out there in the world. Nobody needs anymore. Especially not from them damn facts. A fax?

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Absolutely. And if you have a phone number, that's why that Google Voice number is so important. Because you have your regular number that's connected to your bank accounts and your personal information. And then you give all the people you don't trust and know that Google Voice number. That's not connected to anything that has to do with your financial information.

• 19:50Laci Mosley?

  I need to do that. Just career-wise. It's getting to the point where I just, I get really frustrated when people are texting me and calling me. Then I'm like, how the hell do you have my number? Like, I wanted to find my number. And it just gets really frustrating. Like, people are like, oh, congratulations. I don't know who you are. We have not spoken in 15 years. Why the hell are you fucking texting me? Like, stop. So it's time for me to get that Google Voice. Also, just being on sets, like, you know, it means that any random person who's working on that set could potentially just get your phone number from a call sheet. And I'm like, I'm over this.

• 20:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. And you know, you have, I'm sure you have survivor's remorse, which I have too. Cause I, I don't change my number because I don't want people to say, oh, she changed, right? But then I got somebody calling me saying, hey, you wanna do comedy at the Chicken Shack at such and such, you know? I got, I got forty-seven dollars in a two-piece for you. And I'm like, then you say, no, oh, you think you better than it? And I'm like, I never did comedy for two, a two-piece. And why I gotta do it now? It's just, it's, you have to change your number, is my point. Like,

• 20:49Laci Mosley?

  For the community. For the community. How you gonna turn your back on the community at the Chicken Shack? We need you.

• 20:56Speaker 05

  And you know what? I fight for the community every day, but I'd have been robbed in the community a few times.

• 21:03Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the community will also rob you, okay? Listen, we trying to raise money to get the community center back together, but you know, they also trying to catch a lick. They might take the tires off your cars while you out there. Uh, like, "We hopeful, hopeful for today." That's the community song.

• 21:19Speaker 05

  Facts.

• 21:20Laci Mosley?

  You know what's so funny? I always think about this, when, you know, people of color, black actors, Latino actors, like, you name it, uh, get awards or big accolades, they're always like, "So what does this mean to you and the community?" Like, they don't ever ask white people, like, they're never like, "Scarlett Johansson, what does this mean to you and the community?" You know? But for us, it's gotta be like, "So what you gonna tell them at the car wash?" I know they watching right now, looking all very proud.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Hey, I love, that is a bit, that is so funny, though. I, I never thought about that, but I have, like, I think subconsciously, but you're absolutely right. There's never an implication for all white people. You know, like, there's never, it's never like, "How is Poland dealing right now?"

• 22:07Laci Mosley?

  What do you want to say to the folks back home in, uh, New Haven, Connecticut? What do you want to say to them? What do you want to say to them in Martha's Vineyard? Let them know. You put them on the map. Put Martha on the map.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  That is so funny.

• 22:22Laci Mosley?

  You ever hear white people out here talking about area codes, like?

• 22:26Speaker 05

  And even the poor, like, poor white people, like Hillary Swank, that became famous, not even them. They're not even like, "Oh, what does this mean for the homeless community?" Like, or the unhoused community. Nothing.

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  Nothing. Nothing. They're just like, "You're white, you should get things." Now you, a brown, a person who we all notoriously know should not get things, uh, how, how does this motivate you to inspire other people who should not get things to also get things?

• 22:52Speaker 05

  Yo, that's just, like, facts on facts on facts.

• 22:56Laci Mosley?

  It just makes me laugh so hard, 'cause I'm like, what does this question even mean? It's so loaded. Like, why do I have to represent the entire black race, but, but Scarlett gets to be Asian? Like, help me understand.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  But that's why we gotta flip the script. So when they ask us, they're like, "Hey, what does this mean for your community?" And I'm like... Uh, you mean like people who scored really high on the SAT? I want those people to know.

• 23:20Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  That.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Really beautiful people? I want beautiful people to know.

• 23:25Speaker 05

  Yes. I would do that. I'd be like, you know, there was an all in vain. Now, I did use the word ostentatious in this last project.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'm very well read. Nah, I think if somebody asks me about the community, now I'm gonna start just immediately talking about the white community. I'm like, look, I just want, you know, when Hilary Duff wakes up, for her to be proud of me and everything that we did. I want Taylor Swift to know that I'mma hold it down.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yes. And I'm out here snatching scarves left and right.

• 23:57Laci Mosley?

  Left and right. We gonna get your, we gonna get your scarf back, Taylor. Okay? I watched that and that was actually, what is it called? Uh, Forever in Time or Wrinkling Wine or At the Moment? So I know people are screaming at their, uh, devices right now. Um, it was all good till it wasn't. I'm close.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  No, I'm, I'm looking it up.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  It was all a dream. I used to read Word Up magazine.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  All Too Well.

• 24:25Laci Mosley?

  All Too Well. Okay, there we go. See, I was close. I was close, guys.

• 24:28Speaker 05

  You know, I put, I pulled up Taylor Swift and 10 Minute Song came up. That's the number one, uh, search for Taylor Swift.

• 24:35Laci Mosley?

  And it was good. I watched them whole 10 minutes and it was like, listen, if y'all don't know about Tay Tay, learn about Tay Tay. And I know that people say like, oh, well, she only dated him for three months. But as somebody who has encountered a narcissistic personality, who I only talked to for like nine days. I was like, damn, that really did a number on me.

• 24:53Speaker 05

  It does.

• 24:54Laci Mosley?

  So three months, that's a lot. And it was like textbook, like narcissists are a scam and they don't have a very good playbook. So if you watch that 10 minute Taylor Swift video, you'll probably know everything you need to know about a gaslit narcissistic older man. Cause he was saying everything that I've ever heard from an old nigga.

• 25:10Speaker 05

  But, but tell the truth, if you saw Nightcrawler, you would not be like, I'mma date him.

• 25:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 05

  You saw Method all over that. I was like, uh-uh.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  It's coming from his soul, y'all.

• 25:26Speaker 05

  What are we doing? I'm like, I feel like the Miss J gif. Like, what are we doing?

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  What are we doing?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  What are we doing? Are you crazy? Make it make sense.

• 25:35Laci Mosley?

  There's some people who play evil a little too well. You gotta just heed that and, and, and know that. I don't know, Jake. It's none of my business, but I do like that piece of art. Uh, complete tangent. Guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements and we'll be back with my favorite part of the show, historic hoodwink. Scams!

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• 27:58Laci Mosley?

  And we are back and it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale our amazing guest today with a famous group of cons, criminals. Uh, you know, maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. We'll see. So at the turn of the 20th century and the height of the growing women's liberation movement, an all women gang of thieves and con women took London by storm for the greater part of the 1900s and they called themselves the Forty Elephants. Were these like the original Delta Sigma Theta's? I'm gonna get choked for that.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  Oh, that's cute though. No, that's cute.

• 28:35Laci Mosley?

  Also, I love that during women's liberation, they were like, yes, more female criminals. That's what we talking about. Why not diversity in crime? I love this. So London's first documented all female gang formed in 1873 through records. Those records suggest that earlier sex had been in operation since the 1700s. Out of the women who had worked as accomplices for the Elephant and Castle, gangsters, a male dominated mob. So basically they branched off of the other gangsters and they were like, we gonna be the Forty Elephants. So we just gonna get rid of the men, which I think is great. When you're doing crime, you really don't need to have any men involved.

• 29:11Speaker 05

  You know, it's funny and that's where the Republican Party started. I, uh, I am fascinated by this actually.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  Wait, they drip down though. Can we talk about the drip?

• 29:24Speaker 05

  The drip for sure. Look at this.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  Look at this, these top hats, like she, does this have a monocle? What is, wait, what is this, uh, attached to the buttons on the, uh, I don't even know if there's a vest. This is

• 29:38Speaker 05

  This one right here, it looks like Jared Leto.

• 29:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness, stop. That is the most accurate read. Wow. They, these are some baddies, but also like, how are y'all doing crime dressed like this? You can't run fast in these suits.

• 29:51Speaker 05

  No.

• 29:53Laci Mosley?

  This must be some like white collar, moonshine kinda crime, cuz you can't get nowhere quick in all that drip. And, and it's loud, too. They gonna hear you coming. They had all types of jewels and shit hanging off of them. So in many ways, the Forty Elephants began similarly to the suffragette movement of the time. But instead of fighting for the right to vote and also keeping down black and brown people, yeah, Susan B. Anthony, we all fuck with you. But instead of fighting for the right to vote, they fought for financial independence, particularly from the men of Elephant and Castle. Only the women were allowed to be members and they were almost all exclusively from a working class background. Their name was due to two factors, that they all lived around Elephant and Castle Pub in Southwark.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  And when they left the shops with stolen goods under their clothes, their sheer volume made them look like elephants. So there was like, we live near this area and then also we steal so much under our clothes that we look like elephants. How were they fitting anything out of them suits? You saw how tight them suits were?

• 30:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were fitted. They were fitted and they were layered, though, but still, that, that seems.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  It was even like express men's. Like, that's how tight the suit was.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so. And you know, like, if you think about this during suffrage movement and women's liberation, where white women were exploiting black women, and who knows who was actually carrying the stuff?

• 31:19Laci Mosley?

  True, true. Big facts, big facts. And I think they were doing most of their own looting here. Uh, this is also in the UK where I guess they weren't as bad, but we know.

• 31:29Speaker 05

  Well, I believe they were doing the looting, but I feel like in terms of transporting stuff and I'm sure they had some support from women of color. They just, they just didn't get the credit for it.

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  Of course, always. Uh, there's always a black woman somewhere in the back. Uh, there's always a person of color somewhere in the back doing things. So the Forty Elephants were known for stealing clothes and jewelry to fence them for far less than what they were worth in order to distribute the earnings amongst their community and provide for their families. They earned far more than they could ever otherwise hope to as women in the late 19th century. So they said, look, if y'all not gonna pay us fairly, if y'all not gonna pay us. A hundred percent on the dollar that you paying the man and we gonna have to just take it.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 32:09Laci Mosley?

  I mean, kinda seems like it was still a part of the liberation movement to me. Equal pay, robbery.

• 32:18Speaker 05

  I'm with it.

• 32:20Laci Mosley?

  So they also conned their way into wealthy houses as housemaids only to loot their employers' houses. Wow, so they they was like, why is Isabella only shining the gold every day? She hasn't washed the basins in months. Every time I see her, she's shining a piece of gold.

• 32:37Speaker 05

  I love it. Do it, Isabella.

• 32:40Laci Mosley?

  Isabella ain't clean. Mary a baseboard and washed, never ain't washed the oven. Never, is that even, no, double negatives. Never washed the oven, never cleaned the baseboard, never washed the pot. Literally was just in there. She was like, is this a Faberge egg? It's duh, it's dusty. Uh, let me give it a wash. Oh, she does this wash up? Faberge eggs? Like, I love this for them. Love this for them. So Mary Carr, the first queen, the Forty Elephants' first queen, was Mary Carr, a woman born into like international thievery and she was a forger of bonds. Okay. By the time she was fourteen, she had theft conventions and by eighteen seventy-three was notorious for pulling successful heists. Mary's expertise was in hoisting. I love that.

• 33:22Laci Mosley?

  Cause it just means stealing, but it sounds like way cuter. Like when people say, I relieved them of their belongings. Like, that's stylish.

• 33:32Speaker 05

  I love it. Let me tell you, you know what word I love? Gaffle.

• 33:35Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  I love.

• 33:37Laci Mosley?

  What's that mean?

• 33:39Speaker 05

  Gaffle means like, I think it means scam, like hustled. She gaffled him. Like, I love that word.

• 33:46Laci Mosley?

  I haven't heard that word. I like that gaffled. Learn something new every day. See? This is what happens when you represent your community of SAT prep. Uh, love it. So Mary's experience was in hoisting, stealing goods, and then reselling them through fences. And by nineteen oh three, she had gained international notoriety and continued running the gang until her suspected death in nineteen sixteen. I love if they don't even know she died. They were just like, you think she died? I don't know. We ain't hear from her no more. So Alice Diamond succeeded Mary as the queen of the Forty Elephants in nineteen sixteen at the age of twenty. Wow, that's real young to be the queen. Like Mary, Alice was born into like a workhouse and criminal parents. I love that. Keep it in the family. Oh, okay. So she looked like she was ready for crime. She's giving crime queen.

• 34:30Laci Mosley?

  She's got this coat on. Is that wool? Is that black wool? Black sheep.

• 34:36Speaker 05

  And look at the neck, the necklace, the hat.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she was dripped down. I love this cuz like all of these criminals look fantastic, look like they smell good, which for that time period, we knew everybody stank. So.

• 34:49Laci Mosley?

  I'm here for it. That's all I can think about in old movies. Like when I see like a, a um movie and it's like in the seventeen hundreds or the eighteen hundreds. Or even Game of Thrones and they start kissing, I'm like, oh, I know it's stank in there.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  That is absolutely.

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  They start having sex. I'm like, I know everybody just had a yeast infection every day. This is just disgusting. All I can think about. I can't think about them kissing without thinking about like nasty, yuck mouth, ugh.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, they didn't have the, you know, they didn't have the, the essentials.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  Right, or the oils, or the soap. I just, ugh, I think about it all the time. I don't know why I can't, I can't even get out of it.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  This is like lavender on top of musk.

• 35:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, then they used to wear poppies in their pockets. They were like, oh, we stank. We just go put some flowers in our pockets.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  That's hysterical though.

• 35:44Laci Mosley?

  That's where that pocket full of posies comes from cuz they had the plague and they was stankin' cuz they was dying of the plague, so they put some pop, uh, posies in their pockets to try to smell good.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  I'm like writing jokes down as I go cuz I think this is the funniest shit I ever heard in my life.

• 36:00Laci Mosley?

  I literally, uh, ooh, I'm so glad I was born with post shower, post like we can wash our asses and our legs. And some people choose not to, but I, everyone love it.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  You said our legs.

• 36:12Laci Mosley?

  Some of us, some of us, why? The leg community, those of us who wash our legs in the community. Uh, that's the community I do all my work for. Uh, that's what I'm gonna shout out when I win an Oscar. This was for people who washed their legs, and my mama and guy.

• 36:26Speaker 05

  Your ass.

• 36:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, so damn, for a woman like Alice, born into the lowest classes, her future held few choices. All in all likelihood, she would become a servant or a laundress or marry into poverty or have countless children and own nothing. Her only other options were suicide and an increasingly frequent resort for women with no support. Or prostitution and another, you know, very popular career choice, or crime. So those were her options. Uh, now, why was suicide first?

• 36:57Speaker 05

  That was the time, right?

• 36:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the time, but like, just like, economics, like, you were born into this world, you didn't ask to be born, but you're born at a lower station to the point where your options are so few. And it's not even like we can act like that's something that doesn't exist to this very day. You know, when Singapore was over here, and I talked about this on a previous episode, Singapore said they gonna treat their, uh, you know, people in their country like Americans and make them pay for healthcare. I was like, oh. Or when Germany was one of those ads talking about for ten cents a day, you can help an American child eat. And it's like, those are, that seems hilarious because of how we purport ourselves, but America's the ghetto, and all those things are true.

• 37:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:36Laci Mosley?

  And it's still bad.

• 37:37Speaker 05

  It is, and you know, the fact that, the, the fact that we have this exceptionalism complex is so, like, interesting to me because it's like, based on what do you think we're the best?

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  Based on what?

• 37:53Speaker 05

  Based on what? I would love to hear the explanation of-

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  The military?

• 37:57Speaker 05

  Nah, nah.

• 37:59Laci Mosley?

  Because we be losing them wars we be going into. Y'all know we be losing them, right?

• 38:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  Like, you know we lost Vietnam. Like, you know we lost Iraq. I don't think we won that either.

• 38:09Speaker 05

  And the thing is that you, if you, not to diss the military, but I do military tours when I do comedy, and I remember like, that's where I learned how to do the Soulja Boy was when I was on tour in Korea. Because everybody that was there at this base was seventeen, eighteen, nineteen years old. People who come from the black and brown communities who couldn't afford to go to college, who were hustled into believing that if they joined the military, they would get college money later. And I know that that happens for some people, but for many, it doesn't. And so it was just like, if you look at the military, you're like, oh, these are children. They are risking their lives. Some of them are gonna be deployed into active combat.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  And coming back to the struggle.

• 38:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, which is so, so heartbreaking because at that time in your life, your brain is not fully developed. None of us should have been signing for student loans at that age. Like, like, hey, little eighteen year old, you ready to get saddled with debt for the rest of your life? You don't even know what that means. Hey, little eighteen year old, you ready to go across this, you know, overseas and see some stuff that's gonna fuck you up forever? And, and possibly take your life? We don't know what that means at that age and they know that. It's so predatory. That's what gets on my nerves about America. Cause I'm like, cause it's not even about the people. Like the people who joined the military, like they, a lot of them don't have choices. A lot of them do it because they are patriotic or they do wanna help people. They do wanna help the country. It's no shade to the people who joined the military. It's just the construct of this whole fucking country of how we spend our money and how we take pride.

• 39:38Laci Mosley?

  When it's like, how you gonna be trying to flex on the whole world when we have children who are starving? How we supposed to be the best? A- a- and, and other countries raising money for us? How we supposed to be the best? Other countries are threatening to treat their citizens like we get treated. That's not good.

• 39:53Speaker 05

  And they're making fun of us because of our leadership. They're like, I remember I was in Israel and my driver was laughing at me. Cause he was like, the guy from The Apprentice is your president? And he just busted out laughing.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  And I was like, well, damn, like, I didn't put him there. You know what I mean? But it's just, it's really interesting how we do really have this complex.

• 40:19Laci Mosley?

  It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing over here.

• 40:24Laci Mosley?

  I just be like, ah, well, I'm ashamed. Well, whatever. Uh, but you know, so the, these are the circumstances for Alice. So her options were few. So obviously Alice chose crime. Cause lucky for her, she was already a notoriously talented thief by the time she was seventeen. Standing at five feet, nine inches tall with a full figure. Alice was also a physical match for most men in London at the time, earning her the name for wearing the diamond rings, knuckle dusters, AKA brass knuckles. So she was out here fighting dudes with brass knuckles on and robbing them. Wow, Alice.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  Feminine icon, okay? Under Alice's formidable leadership, the gang grew larger and more successful than ever before. She began recognizing the gang into separate cells, which allowed for simultaneous robberies to occur in various parts of the city, dividing the police's attention and catching shopkeepers by surprise. Alice also began instituted, oh yeah, come on, divide and conquer, instituting a new style for the elephants, known that dressing in expensive trendy attire, decked out with secret flaps and pockets increased their chances for success. Under Alice, the gang used several techniques to conduct their crimes, sometimes even using Alice's notoriety to their benefit. So, these are the techniques that they would use. They'd be drip down, drip too hard. One technique was the decoy. When a group would enter the department store together with Alice,

• 41:41Laci Mosley?

  while the staff was watching Alice every move, her accomplice was behind them stepping armfuls of clothes under their dresses or passing items down the line quickly so the women could claim they never touched anything. So, they knew Alice was a thief. I love that Alice had a reputation for being a thief, but they didn't put her in jail. They were just like, here go Alice again, you know she'll be robbing us. Like, that was fine.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  I love it. Must be nice, right?

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  Right? They just had to watch her real good. Guys, if you see Alice come in the store, just make sure you're watching her because you know she's a huge crime thief. Like, nobody gonna do nothing about it? They're just gonna be like, we'll be vigilant.

• 42:16Speaker 05

  What a beautiful, what an amazing opportunity to be, to just be yourself in a time where, you know what I mean? Like, that's the epitome of being able to be yourself. What a privilege.

• 42:27Laci Mosley?

  That gives me like, like Dora the Explorer, like Swiper, stop swiping. They was just like, all we can do is just tell them to stop stealing. And you couldn't lock Swiper out? They're like, Swiper, no swiping. He like, aight, I guess that tomorrow.

• 42:41Speaker 05

  That's hilarious.

• 42:42Laci Mosley?

  Like, they didn't have, they didn't have any consequences for Alice. Love this for her. So, for the jewelry thefts, they employed the ringer method, where one gang would ask to examine an expensive brooch or necklace, because remember, these are white ladies dressed to the tens and the nines, so, you know, people aren't assuming that they're gonna rob them. They would study it and then they would decline buying it. With a finely honed memory, she would then have a forger make the exact imitation from paste and glass and then come back with an accomplice who would ask to see the item again and switch it for the fake under the assistant's nose. So, they was doing Ocean's Eleven in A.T. Andrews.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were. That sounds like fun, though. It sounds like when a time to be alive, you know?

• 43:22Laci Mosley?

  Right? Come on, oceans, eighteen hundreds. Come on, past B and C cons. I love this. So if the women were ever caught, they had built up an arsenal of men that they had seduced and blackmailed to get out of the hands of the law. Wow, they was working on all, firing on all cylinders. They said, and then we got some hoes over here that we seduced. And they don't break us out. So Alice was such a talented con that once, when she was being questioned outside about out of jewelry theft, she managed to get rid of the evidence by slipping the stolen bracelet into the detective's pocket.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 43:59Laci Mosley?

  Then she was like, so you stole it? You stole it?

• 44:02Speaker 05

  That's great. That's pretty amazing.

• 44:05Laci Mosley?

  So when she couldn't charm her way out of a tough situation, Alice and the Forty Elephants had no qualms about using violence against the police. And their brutality was continuously underestimated.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Doesn't that make you say wow, though? Like, that made me flinch, just as a woman of color, like, oh, you know, just thinking about that, I'm like, damn, like, you know what a

• 44:32Laci Mosley?

  I've never heard those words in that order. Violence against the police. I've never, that, that, I've never pieced those words together in my mind. Police brutality, yes. Police violence, sure. Violence against the police. Like, they were like, alright, well, if we can't, we can't trick them, we gotta beat them. Y'all get out here.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  Put your brass knuckles on, ladies. It's time to beat up the bobbies. Like, what?

• 45:01Speaker 05

  I love it. I love it. I just, I don't, I mean.

• 45:04Laci Mosley?

  I think this makes me proud. Like, a woman, like, women doing this? This is wild. When answering questions during one of her numerous court appearances for beating a policeman, why does she keep getting to go back to court? That, what happened to jail? You know what? I love it. Alice said, "Police forces are set up by governments to stop others from getting a share of what they've got." Well, she ain't lying.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  She's not.

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  This is my Susan B. Anthony, Alice? I feel like I follow her more than Susan B. I could ever. So, she's not wrong, they're here to protect property. After a successful day of stealing, they'd ride up to their favorite glamorous hotel to party with friends and charm the staff before doing it all over again the next day, living the life they had once dreamt about. Alice's downfall, we get into the end of this. As a part of her firm leadership of the gang, Alice created the Hoister's Code. Okay, we love a G code. Which outlined the democratic rules and expectations of the gang, including the expectation for the gang to care for the family members of imprisoned thieves and for the women to always provide alibis for each other. Wow, come on, come on, a G code? Hoister's Code.

• 46:16Speaker 05

  She said, I'm writing that down, Hoister's Code.

• 46:19Laci Mosley?

  And this is, right? That's a very classy way of saying G code. And I love this. Alice was out here for the streets, for real, for real. This is why women should lead all gangs and the government. Like, she's talking, she got a 401K plan, they got severance for when you're in prison, you know, they're giving out alibis, like hotcakes. I love this.

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• 48:44Laci Mosley?

  Alice also codified an expectation of absolute loyalty that was punishable by ridicule or beating when disobeyed. Okay, now, read me this, Alice. Ridicule? So you just get cussed out if you're not loyal? What kind of ridicule are we talking about?

• 48:59Speaker 05

  No, they said, didn't they, there are no physical, no physical beat downs?

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  She said, or beating.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:05Laci Mosley?

  So I'm like, is there some offenses that could just get you cussed out? Or, I feel like they probably all were beating. So with the rules, the gang essentially became a thieves' union. With exceptionally good benefits, and as strict as the thieves' rules were, they created a tight sisterhood. One of Alice's closest allies in the Forty Elephants was Maggie Hughes, whose husband, Alfie, was one of their best fences. So Alfie was out here selling all the loot that they got. In comparison to Alice's tall stature and relatively measured leadership, Maggie, named Babyface, was four feet 11 inches of psychotic drunken rage.

• 49:40Speaker 05

  Sorry, that is...

• 49:42Laci Mosley?

  What a, what a description. Oh, she do look like she, she look like she wild. Look at her face. That's the face of somebody who I don't give a fuck. She said, if you don't give a damn, I don't give a fuck. That's what that face is saying.

• 49:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, that Napoleon complex is gender neutral.

• 49:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. She, Maggie's living on the wish factor. Even in this photo, she wishes somebody would.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  I know.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  She wished the photographer would.

• 50:08Laci Mosley?

  Maggie, I love it. I also just love like a little, just like angry person. Like that's, I love that for us. Maggie also drove a Ford V8 car with a periscope on the roof so she could spot police before they saw her. Wow. As the gang grew too big, Alice became too obsessed with controlling it. Members were forbidden from doing anything against her wishes, including marrying men that she did not approve of. Wow. I mean, honestly, I'm not against Alice on that because you married a wrong man. You might take the whole gang down.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  Absolutely. You will take the whole ma- what? Might. You absolutely 100% will.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  Do you know how men ruin things? That's like their favorite pastime. Ruining stuff. They ruining it.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Look what they did to society.

• 50:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. Alice was like, nah, you're ruining it. You're not going to bring this man in here. You're ruining it. Like, I'm not mad at her. I honestly don't think that that's too ridiculous. Come on, this is fortified crime. In 1925, a member that had become pregnant defied Alice and married, which enraged Alice. After drinking into a rage, Alice and Maggie led a brutal attack against the newlyweds that's so violent, it was known as the Lambeth Riot. Dang. For her role as an instigator, Alice was sent into 18 months in prison. Maggie, who incited the riot, got 21 months. By the time Alice was freed, a new queen had taken over. Wow. See, dang, so she was pregnant. Y'all beat up the pregnant lady and her man? I mean, she did tell her not to get married. I don't, I don't know what she do with that.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  There are rules to this.

• 51:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right. There's rules and there's levels to this. Well, guys, we're rounding this out. The end of an era. Lilian Rose Kendall took over the gang while Alice was in prison, known as the bob-haired bandit because of her short fringe and side curls. She specialized in smash and grab raids. Okay, so she reckless. Like, they were over here, like, examining stuff, doing the ocean's eighteen eleven. She over here just punching a hole in the glass and grabbing all they can. That's messy.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  No, I just want to say, because that was the terminology used, and I just want to say, because I come from my, I grew up in Miami, and that smash and grab thing has always been framed as a black thing from the ghetto, from the hoods of the inner city. And I'm just relieved to know that, as usual, Karen been doing this. Karen been doing this.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  Karen took her S. Curl and her flapper dress right on down to Cartier and threw a brick through that bitch.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  That's right. So don't put that on us. We learned it from y'all.

• 52:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. Cardi B, you thought she was the first one looking like caught a lick. She was like, "Looking like we caught a lick. We break the windows. It's so sick."

• 52:48Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  I love it. I love it. And I love that she got cute before the robbery. I love that these bitches was beating their faces and getting their finger wave together and then going off, turning off, popping about to rob a bank.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  Let's go do it. I love it.

• 53:03Laci Mosley?

  And you gotta look cute, too. So Lilian had been a daring getaway driver and used her skills and car to smash through windows of jewelry stores. Now she driving to the jewelry store? Wow. She turned the jewelry store into a McDonald's. She just gonna drive through.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  That part, that's innovation.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love it. So she did this at, like, Cartier to rob them and make a swift getaway. Upon being released from prison, Alice turned to a career of managing a brothel while still continued to be the godmother to aspiring young thieves. During World War II, she refused to evacuate London and eventually died in nineteen fifty-two, aged fifty-five, from multiple sclerosis. One of her proteges, Shirley Pitts, became the queen of the forty elephants in the nineteen sixties. Pitts' operation was a similar scale that of her mentor. Due to both changing fashions, making it harder and harder to steal, and increased security and declining membership, they kind of started falling off. Eventually, they disbanded upon Pitts' death in nineteen ninety-two. Nineteen ninety-two! What? Wow, they kept this shit going for like a century.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  And who is this? Wait, wait, who is this?

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  So this woman, this is Shirley Pitts, who took over after, uh, homegirl Lily and Smash and Grab was gone.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Alright, Lily and Smash and Grab.

• 54:19Laci Mosley?

  So once Smash and Grab dipped, then we have Shirley Pitts. But in nineteen ninety-two, the activity is declining. Wow, like this is nineteen ninety-two and they were still running this kind of crime. Uh, by the time Pitts passing, the Forty Elephants were more of a folk legend than an active threat. Still, the Forty Elephants remained one of the most successful and longest-lasting criminal organizations in the English history due to Mary Carr and Alice Diamond's ruthless and unmatched leadership. Doesn't even sound like they were really killing people.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  Mm-mm.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  It was just beating people up. This seems like a very chill gang. It's like, we'll beat your ass, but that's pretty much it. We won't kill you.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  Well, no, you know, all that violence and stuff, no offense, respectfully, it's really more of a man thing. Women don't tend to be as violent as men, uh, and when they resort to violence, it's usually reactionary because of men.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's never, it's rarely that they're just like, that's why our shows are always called like, Why Women Kill and, and stuff like that. But then men's shows would just be like, uh, a murderer, Megan the murderer, y'all know, this guy, a murder, he did murders. Like, it's never like, there's no explanation, a crime of passion, like, it'd just be like, you know how men be.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  And it's like, no, no disrespect to the men, because I know that some men will be, there are some women who are problematic and violent. Absolutely. But historically, y'all got that.

• 55:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, we, she managed to do it with brass knuckles.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  It's your brand.

• 55:51Laci Mosley?

  Their brand is violence. They know it. They know it. It's time for the end of the show. Scammer of the week. This is where we honor one charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not. We don't know yet. We'll see. Scammer of the week today is Pernell, oh, I like that name, Pernell Anthony Jones Jr. Too many names. I know you a scammer. Pernell Anthony Jones Jr. He was thirty-one and he's pleaded guilty in a lost luggage scam that resulted in over three hundred thousand dollars worth of fraudulent claims. Beginning in twenty fifteen, Jones flew on several airlines using false identities. When he arrived at the destination, he falsely alleged that his bags were lost and requested compensation. Through this scheme, Jones submitted more than a hundred and eighty false claims and requested more than five hundred fifty thousand dollars in reimbursement.

• 56:32Laci Mosley?

  April seventh, twenty eighteen, Jones was arrested at Dallas Love Field Airport, shout out to Dallas, while trying to go through security screening with his thirty-six fake driver's licenses and forty-seven credit cards under fictitious names. You can't bring all your identities with you when you travel. What you gonna do when you get to TSA and they're like, man, ID you, like, hold on. Uh, hold on, I gotta match it up with the, um, border pass. Uh, one second, one second. Um, John, no.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Pick one.

• 56:59Laci Mosley?

  Latrice, hold on, hold on. I gotta alphabetize. Let me get to the Js. Uh, like, what? Why you bringing all your IDs? This is messy. I don't like how messy this is, but I am proud of you. He was arrested again in March twenty twenty while trying to pick up a reimbursement check at the Louis Armstrong International Airport. If convicted Jones faces as long as twenty years in prison. And a two hundred fifty thousand dollar fine for each count of conspiracy and mail fraud. Mail fraud's how they get you, but twenty years in prison because he faked some stolen luggage.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  Uh huh. And you know, you get in trouble more for messing with their money than you do with killing people, raping people, molesting children. If you look at like, uh, people who've committed, uh, counterfeit, you know, who make counterfeit money. When you mess with their money, you get their, the consequences are far more grave than when you do with other human beings. And I think that is surreal.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  And Ida, this is like, what's so insulting to me too is how expensive prison is. So now we're gonna put somebody, a non-violent offender, literally somebody who filled out some forms illegally in jail for up to twenty years and taxpayers are gonna pay for that? Who's getting scammed here? Me!

• 58:08Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 58:09Laci Mosley?

  Let this man go free!

• 58:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, put him on a rehabilitation program. You know what's funny is like you see the, uh, they have this show about counterfeit money and they had one of the former scammers do a documentary and now he works at banks in educating people on scams and on educating the banks on counterfeit money. So I'm like, you know, do that with us too. Put us in the positions where we, this is, uh, this is something that can be used to your benefit that help us in, uh, educate your employees on scams instead of putting us away for in prison forever.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Just so you can get free labor. That's what it's all about is slavery because otherwise, why are these people in jail, especially if they have all of these skills and their savons? I'm like, Pernell, at least he could be down doing billing and coding at the local doctor's office. He's very proficient in filling out forms, clearly. We could find some other uses for his skills. We don't, we don't need to put him in the jail. Uh, well, that brings us to the end of another episode of Scam Goddess, guys. So I, we always ask, where do you want to be found? Where would you like to be found?

• 59:20Speaker 05

  Well, right now ideally I'd like to be found on HBO Max. Uh, check out Fighting Words, uh, that first and foremost, that's, uh, it's important for my special to do well because it would create opportunities for other women of color, other black women in comedy. Ideally, that's what I wanted to do is just bust that door open to create a way for other people, not just me. Um, and then you can find me on, uh, Instagram and Twitter at Funny A I D A, um, and send me something positive or instructional, something informative. Correct me, but don't come at me because I don't respond to foolishness. I don't battle rap with bitter balls on the internet.

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  Wow. What a statement. I don't battle rap with bitter balls. I love that.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  It's my mantra.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for you. I'm the same way. If you come at me with negativity, I know that works for some people. They'll dunk on you and retweet you and like tell you off. I'm not gonna do it. No free clout. Talk to me nice, or I'm not even gonna block you because I don't want you to feel seen. I'm gonna mute you. You'll never even know.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  That's the, that's the death, that's the kiss of death. The, I'mma, I'mma mute you. And you don't even know that I'm not even, you, you doing all your sub tweeting and all of that. And I'm like, I don't even see it.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  You talking to yourself. You talking to yourself. Okay. Guys, as always, you can find us at Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. If you want to see all the photos of all of these bad bitches drip too hard, okay, robbing these banks in style, in fashion, you know, getting this, getting the outfit tailored before they rob the bank. Cute. Love it. Love that for them. If you want to email us with your scams, just make sure they're retired so we don't fuck up your bags. [email protected]. If you want to find me on all platforms, D I V A L A C I D, Velacy on all platforms except for TikTok, which is Lacey mostly. Congregation, get after that merch, y'all. Get the merch while it lasts. I'm about to go into redesigning. I swear I am. It's not a scam. All right, congregation. Stay Schemin. Scam Goddess.

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faiz, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

• 1:01:34Speaker 06

  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

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