Zach Zucker (Jack Tucker) Is Pure Chaos | Whiskey Ginger

Welcome to Whiskey Ginger a Wave series presented by Fanduel Predicts. Andrew Santino sits down with comedian and performer Zach Zucker, also known as his chaotic alter ego Jack Tucker, for one of the strangest and funniest episodes in recent memory. They talk about clowning, live performance, bombing on purpose, uncomfortable comedy, and why the best bits often feel like they’re moments away from complete disaster. Zach breaks down the creation of Jack Tucker, performing for unpredictable crowds around the world, and how embracing failure became part of the act itself. Santino tries to keep the train on the tracks while Zach repeatedly lights the tracks on fire. If you like weird comedy, uncomfortable brilliance, and comedians pushing things into dangerous territory, this one’s for you. Follow Zach Zucker / Jack Tucker: https://www.instagram.com/zuckagram Follow Andrew Santino: https://www.instagram.com/cheetosantino Follow Whiskey Ginger: https://instagram.com/whiskeygingerpodcast #WhiskeyGinger #AndrewSantino #ZachZucker #JackTucker ============================================ This episode is sponsored by: FANDUEL Sign up now for your twenty-five dollar bonus on FanDuel Predicts. HEAD TO https://fanduel.com/whiskey TO GET STARTED! SQUARESPACE USE PROMO CODE: WHISKEY GET 10% OFF YOUR ORDER https://squarespace.com/whiskey SHADYRAYS PROMO CODE: GINGER GET 50% OFF 2+ PAIRS OF POLARIZED SHADES https://shadyrays.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Andrew Santino?

  Welcome back to Whiskey Ginger: A Wave Series, presented by FanDuel. Hey, Whiskey Ginger fans! June 28th, June 28th, I'm coming down to San Diego. I'll be down there in SD, bro. I'm down at The Sound in Del Mar, dude. So pack up your boards, dude. Grab yourself some Modelo's and come out and see me, dude. I'll be at The Sound. I'm gonna be at The Sound in Del Mar, uh, by the Del Mar Fairgrounds, I believe it is. There's an early show and a late show, June 28th, June 28th. Come out and see me. Then I'm at the Ameristar Casino in St. Charles, Missouri. Pretty much St. Louis, right there. Come on out Midwest and come see me. That's July 24th. AndrewSantino.com for those tickets. AndrewSantino.com.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey.

• 1:13Speaker 03

  Oh, that creature in the ginger beard! Sturdy and ginger. Like their heads, the ginger gene is a curse.

• 1:19Speaker 04

  Gingers are beautiful. You owe me $5 for the whiskey and $75 for the horse. Gingers, oh hell no.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  This whiskey is excellent. Ginger. I like gingers.

• 1:32Andrew Santino?

  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Whiskey Ginger. My guest is one of my favorite people on the other side of the prom. I guess what I mean once again today...

• 1:37Speaker 05

  Amen.

• 1:38Andrew Santino?

  It's Zach Zucker.

• 1:39Speaker 05

  Thank you, everyone in the congregation.

• 1:42Andrew Santino?

  God bless you.

• 1:45Speaker 05

  And gazuntite.

• 1:48Andrew Santino?

  Did you go to church as a kid?

• 1:49Speaker 05

  Uh, I'm Jewish.

• 1:50Andrew Santino?

  Yes!

• 1:54Andrew Santino?

  Temple, a temple boy?

• 1:56Speaker 05

  I was actually, I was kicked out of three temples.

• 1:58Andrew Santino?

  Yay, yay!

• 1:59Speaker 05

  Yay, yay, yay!

• 2:00Andrew Santino?

  That's so crazy to get kicked out of temple.

• 2:02Speaker 05

  It was, it was rough.

• 2:03Andrew Santino?

  Because Jews are pretty, um, liberal when it comes to letting you get away with, uh, being a goofball.

• 2:07Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. We, well, look, they love to be a goofball until it's something that you're not allowed to goof around about.

• 2:11Andrew Santino?

  What did you goof about?

• 2:13Speaker 05

  You know, I was a, I, I was five, eight, and 12 when I got kicked out. And as a kid who obviously has like severe attention...

• 2:22Andrew Santino?

  Deficit disorder. Couldn't even finish it.

• 2:25Speaker 05

  Heard that one before.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  So that was the, that was the rabbi. I know, but we, we, I, like, I, I obviously didn't want to be in Hebrew school. I didn't want to be in any school. I wanted to be running around in the dirt and skateboarding and playing sports and playing with my friends. So... And, and then I also, like every Jewish kid from the burbs, I want to be a rapper, a dancer, and a basketball player.

• 2:44Andrew Santino?

  Sure.

• 2:44Speaker 05

  So I was listening...

• 2:45Andrew Santino?

  In that order.

• 2:46Speaker 05

  And, uh, of cour- please, I said it in that order for that reason, yeah. I can, and I still believe, like, I don't know if you have this with anything, but I still believe I could be a, I could like, if I needed to get into the NBA, I could.

• 2:56Andrew Santino?

  How old are you?

• 2:57Speaker 05

  16.

• 2:59Andrew Santino?

  Nice. No, it goes away. I'm in my 40s, it's over.

• 3:03Speaker 05

  Well, look, I'm 33 this month.

• 3:04Andrew Santino?

  Oh dude, when you hit 40, something, your, your brain goes, "I guess that's it. I guess..." I mean, it was never going to happen.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  But it could've.

• 3:10Andrew Santino?

  But, but it could've.

• 3:11Speaker 05

  Like, to me, I'm like, "You're telling me that for the next two years, I trained every day on LeBron's budget, I can't play like three minutes of meaningful basketball in the NBA? There's no way."

• 3:21Andrew Santino?

  There, yeah, no.

• 3:22Speaker 05

  There's no way.

• 3:23Andrew Santino?

  There is no way.

• 3:23Speaker 05

  There, wait, I guess so.

• 3:24Andrew Santino?

  But I do, but I do like the thought.

• 3:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:26Andrew Santino?

  The thought is good. Until you hit 40, then you hit 40, then it's over. So you wanted to be a rapper, a, a dancer...

• 3:31Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:31Andrew Santino?

  And a basketball player.

• 3:32Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. And I still do.

• 3:33Andrew Santino?

  But it's, but comedy has taken over.

• 3:36Speaker 05

  Unfortunately. I, I feel like, I, I do notice that a lot, though. A lot of rappers, you know, or, or...

• 3:40Andrew Santino?

  Rappers, dancers, basketball players want to be us.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 3:43Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, they do want to be us.

• 3:43Speaker 05

  And I'm like, "I can't tell you enough how bad you don't want this life."

• 3:46Andrew Santino?

  No, it's way easier to do what you guys are doing.

• 3:49Speaker 05

  Yo, yeah.

• 3:49Andrew Santino?

  For your lifestyle, and also for your mental health. That's really what it is.

• 3:52Speaker 05

  Oh, your ment- your, your thing you do for a job every day is you, like, work out and you get good endorphins and eat healthy and take care of yourself, and mine is like, "How late can I stay up absolutely trashing myself all the time?" What would be a funny way to... Hurt myself today. Oh, and I don't have the rest and re-recovery and I don't stretch and my body hurts all the time, so like.

• 4:09Andrew Santino?

  So not a good exchange?

• 4:10Speaker 05

  No, not so much.

• 4:11Andrew Santino?

  So wait, how did you get kicked out? Five, eight and 12?

• 4:13Speaker 05

  Uh, five, it was because I went up to the Bima where the torahs were in that little secret spot and I was, at the time, I had the headphones that like went around like this.

• 4:21Andrew Santino?

  Sick.

• 4:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was awesome. I was killing it. And I had them, I had them like this and I eventually had them when there was, they were kind of the solos. And I was, this like, you know, Get Rich or Die Trying was out and I, and like also the G-Unit album Beg for Mercy was out. And I just was like having fun in there because they would always tell me I couldn't listen to the music. It wasn't a good, like, good Hebrew music. And then, so I like put it through my speakers, through the Bima in the middle of a synagogue and it was like, "I don't know what you heard about me." "And if you can't get it..." And I was, I was like, you know, obviously vibing, dancing, shooting hoops, you know, all at the same time. And they, they didn't like that. And that was like a ser-, like, our teacher's name was Kitty and I would always like meow at her and be like, "Sorry, I don't speak cat." And like getting owned by a five-year-old.

• 4:59Andrew Santino?

  Huge.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was awesome.

• 5:01Andrew Santino?

  That really hurt her ego.

• 5:01Speaker 05

  It really did. I kind of was shitty to, then the next one too, she was somebody who moved, uh, she, I don't know how to say this. I didn't...

• 5:13Speaker 05

  She came from Israel. I'm just trying, I was trying not to evoke Israel or anything of it at all. But I am actually starting on a game show over there called Netanyahu Who's Line Is It Anyway? I'm very excited. I'm very excited to play.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  I'm very excited to play. Um, and I, she was like, she would always get mad at me because I was late or I'd come in my baseball uniform. And she said something to me once like, "Oh my god dude, I'm gonna shoot myself in the foot here." She said something like, "If you ever want to like be a man, like you need to learn how to like take, you know, be on time." And I was like, "Well, if you ever want to make it in America, you need to shave your mustache." When I was like, I was like eight years old dude, I didn't know. I was watching Sally Park.

• 5:55Andrew Santino?

  That killed.

• 5:56Speaker 05

  Crushed. She left. She left and she like never came back.

• 5:59Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, she went back to Israel?

• 6:00Speaker 05

  Uh, I think so. Do you want to also hear the most fucked up part about this whole thing?

• 6:04Andrew Santino?

  That's not the fucked up part.

• 6:05Speaker 05

  No, okay. So this was in, and it's ultimately like a real horrific series of coincidences that unfortunately perpetuates like antisemitic tropes, which again, I'm very sensitive to. But I do control the vessel.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Be careful.

• 6:19Andrew Santino?

  And thank you for this, by the way. Lately, it's been really nice.

• 6:21Speaker 05

  Beautiful lighting in here. I got a nice mist in here, yeah. There was, so, so this class was like a smaller class in my friends', our family friend's basement. My brother's visually impaired. The son of this family was visually impaired. And the mom was like a wonderful warrior for like the foundation for fighting, for, for retinal research and like foundation fighting blindness. And we were in the basement of this, so it's like a bunch of Jews in the basement.

• 6:44Andrew Santino?

  Uh oh.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  With this woman from Israel.

• 6:45Andrew Santino?

  Uh oh.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  And at the time, Barack Obama was running for, I think he was running for Congress the first time. And he had met up with them to like talk about, you know, how he could help out or how he could help, you know, maybe, I don't know, I don't know the right words if it's like further the initiative or get involved with the charity. But, you know, zooming out, Obama at a, with a bunch of Jews in the basement there. It feels very stereotypical to what is being taught, but again, it was very.

• 7:13Andrew Santino?

  It's confirming all my beliefs.

• 7:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, truthfully. And it's, it's awful. It's like, I, I think I'm such a bad representation for the Jewish community and I am so sorry and I don't know how to help it.

• 7:20Andrew Santino?

  No, you're a great representation. Cause you're funny, handsome, cool, sweet, smart, talented, and also a little bit of a bad boy.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, bad boy. And also he's got a killer jump shot.

• 7:32Andrew Santino?

  The fifteen footer is undeniable.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 7:34Andrew Santino?

  It's undeniable.

• 7:34Speaker 05

  A little shimmy fade away.

• 7:35Andrew Santino?

  Shake, shake.

• 7:36Speaker 05

  Give him a little, a little, a little Zack tap and then shoot it over the head.

• 7:38Andrew Santino?

  Obama's in the basement with you guys.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  Obama's in, well, he was, he was upstairs and like I met him so briefly. No, he didn't make it down. He knew the optics were gonna be bad.

• 7:44Andrew Santino?

  I'm not gonna go down there. I'm, I'm not gonna stay, I'm gonna stay up here.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  Can you still do Obama impressions? Are people doing it these days?

• 7:50Andrew Santino?

  I don't think Obama does an impression of himself anymore either. Now, I ran into him and he was like, what's up, playa? And I was like, Obama?

• 7:55Speaker 05

  Really?

• 7:55Andrew Santino?

  It was all an act.

• 7:56Speaker 05

  Wait, what was this?

• 7:57Andrew Santino?

  It was all, uh, uh, uh. When did I meet Obama? A month ago, right? Couple of months ago. I met him a couple of months ago.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  Were you at the Brent's basement party? Maybe. I knew I noticed you.

• 8:09Andrew Santino?

  You guys, you can't get rid of me.

• 8:11Speaker 05

  No.

• 8:11Andrew Santino?

  And then who kicked you out of 12?

• 8:13Speaker 05

  Um, a woman named Michla.

• 8:14Andrew Santino?

  Oh, I know Michla.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course. Yeah, I went, well, so then the only room that was left was the Orthodox temple in our town, because they were the only ones who would take me, like, we could change him. And that's when I was big in my jackass phase. My dream bar mitzvah theme was to have it be zachass. And my parents obviously didn't want it. And I was like, I get it. My name's spelled Z-A-C-H, that's Z-A-C-K. No one's gonna get mad. And they're like, that's not why we don't want you to do this.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  And I, so they took me there, and this was big jackass. This was like Ryan Dunn was doing a show called Homewrecker.

• 8:43Andrew Santino?

  I remember it.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  And he was teaching you pranks, like the deodorant prank with cream cheese and all these other things. And like, I think I did some like, I was like putting stuff in her coffee and like.

• 8:51Andrew Santino?

  To your mom?

• 8:51Speaker 05

  No, no, to Michla.

• 8:52Andrew Santino?

  To Michla, yeah.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  It was essentially like all of our mothers, you know, but I, I definitely.

• 8:57Andrew Santino?

  A Jewish mother is everyone's mom.

• 8:59Speaker 05

  And that is.

• 9:00Andrew Santino?

  Even to non-Jews.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  And that is one of the most beautiful qualities, I feel like.

• 9:03Andrew Santino?

  A Jewish mother, any of my Jewish friends, any of their mothers would become your mother. Nick's mom was on set. It just becomes your mom, but I've also known her for 20 years. But it'd become a mom. And a Jewish father doesn't want to talk to any of your friends.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  At all. Unless, unless you start to, you like, you have to like really subtly edge in over the years with sports and business.

• 9:20Andrew Santino?

  Even still, they're like kind of disinterested because you're a child, yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, whatever. But then every now and then they'll like, they'll kind of, they'll, you won't be there and they'll be like, oh, that's Antino, he's a good kid.

• 9:29Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm, but that's all you're gonna get. That's like the top of what you're gonna get.

• 9:32Speaker 05

  But that's all you get is their sons anyways, you know? So it's, you're not getting anything they're not getting.

• 9:37Andrew Santino?

  It never ends with you guys, does it?

• 9:38Speaker 05

  And it never will. It's so funny. I've been being told by like all my friends, like, you gotta be like more, just, just think about what you say. When you're on any podcast. I don't know, because I'll start off and start doing, this guy right here, right off the top.

• 9:51Andrew Santino?

  It's just for fun. We're just having a bit.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  I know, I know.

• 9:53Andrew Santino?

  I think, I think the world is in a really dark, odd place. I think the more playful we become, the better off we're gonna be.

• 9:58Speaker 05

  I fully agree.

• 9:59Andrew Santino?

  If we, look, being conscious of your language or your, or your intent is important, but, um, we're gonna make mistakes. I tried very hard. I learned a really good lesson about how. And I, and I spoke to my wife after that we had shot and we had worked with someone who onset was a they/them, right? That's how they preferred to be called. And I accidentally, twice I think, I, I said the wrong, I said she. And then I corrected myself, then I apologized in the kitchen. You know, I, I went up to them and I said, "Hey, sorry about that. I, I don't know if that really bothered you, but I did it kind of subconsciously, you know."

• 10:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:34Andrew Santino?

  And was so like, "Are you ki-" "No, that's not, it's not that big of a deal." "But cool that you, thanks for being cool about that."

• 10:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:40Andrew Santino?

  And then that night, I thought, "It's really, I, I, it is weird that people care, because intent matters."

• 10:46Speaker 05

  To me, it's all intent and context.

• 10:48Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Like, that, that I feel like has been completely lost. My big whole, my big whole thing is comedians are held to politician standards and politicians are not.

• 10:56Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 10:57Speaker 05

  So it's like, why are you, my job is to-

• 10:59Andrew Santino?

  Be a goof?

• 10:59Speaker 05

  To be a goof and say the bad things. And I went to a, I went to a clown school where our whole thing is like, "How many times can you cross the line and step over, over and over again from a place of play and like wonder and discovery?" I'm not like, you know, I, I like to make fun of everything, but like, I don't, I'm not trying to like hurt anybody.

• 11:15Andrew Santino?

  Right, I think that's the thing. That's what I mean by that. It was like the intent. Like, I didn't mean to do that. And then, the acknowledgement, you know, was great, because it made me feel like, "Oh yeah, you understand that I didn't do that out of deliberance."

• 11:24Speaker 05

  No.

• 11:24Andrew Santino?

  And then also, then the world's a little bit easier. Yeah, people, people want what they want, you're gonna try your best. And unless something is intended to be, fuck you, then it's like, "Oh, mistakes happen, it is what it is."

• 11:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:35Andrew Santino?

  By the way, clown school,

• 11:37Speaker 05

  I know.

• 11:38Andrew Santino?

  Really wish I went.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  It's, it was the best thing.

• 11:40Andrew Santino?

  I didn't get in.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  Did, really? It's crazy, because it's an Oakland application to anyone who's willing to pay 600 euros for the course.

• 11:45Andrew Santino?

  Where did you go? It was, would you go-

• 11:47Speaker 05

  In, in, in France, in a small village called Etamp, La Village de Tamp, and Etamp translates to stamp, hence Stamp Town, the name of the show.

• 11:53Andrew Santino?

  That's where it came from.

• 11:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:54Andrew Santino?

  You, are you fluent in French?

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Uh, I'm fluent in Spanish, I speak enough French to get by.

• 11:58Andrew Santino?

  God, that's what- Did you do that before going there, or you learned that while you were there?

• 12:00Speaker 05

  I learned there. Spanish was what helped me out there. And then like, I, I wish I had, I can't read. I can't read so good. Me can't read no good. I can't read no good, actually. Uh, but, uh, but I like the sounds.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  I like the sounds of how they look. Uh, but no, I, I like, didn't really know, but I was going out in, in Paris, because the, the school- Like an hour outside, it's like an hour south.

• 12:22Andrew Santino?

  Sure.

• 12:23Speaker 05

  And we would then go to Paris and I would meet all these like other epic Europeans who all spoke five languages. And so speaking Spanish with them helped me get like into the worlds where I would then like hear it and then I started listening to like French immersion like. There's this teacher named Michel Tomas who like he would take people from zero and teach them to fluency and you would like listen along with them and you would learn. Or listening to music or watching TV shows and like I could have been so much better and it's been eleven years since I went and I wish I was more.

• 12:49Andrew Santino?

  But you still did sound, that sounded really, really good. You were right there. And what is it, what is the, what's the, the syndrome where you like you see? A color and you hear. What is that called?

• 13:01Andrew Santino?

  Synesthesia?

• 13:01Speaker 05

  I maybe, it that's one, that would be, that would be in the realm of what I would.

• 13:05Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, synesthesia.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 13:06Andrew Santino?

  You have that?

• 13:07Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 13:07Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, you're synesthetic?

• 13:09Speaker 05

  I, I think I have a lot of, I see a lot of stuff rhythmically, musically and colorfully and then I kind of just let it fly.

• 13:14Andrew Santino?

  Versus it's, versus its original form is not interesting to you. It's not that you can't read it, you don't want to read it as it's presented.

• 13:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, and I've always like, I, I even as a kid, like I fucked up my hip flexors for life because everyone was sitting crisscross applesauce and I was like, not me. I can't do it. And then just refused and like I write differently. I put a pencil in between my two fingers like this and just like.

• 13:34Andrew Santino?

  You write like that?

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Like this, yeah.

• 13:35Andrew Santino?

  A claw.

• 13:36Speaker 05

  Just like a claw for no reason. I was just like, I'm a contrarian.

• 13:38Andrew Santino?

  But you didn't want to do what the other kids were doing.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  No, and I always, but, but I also, it's such a fun contradiction because like I want to also be like the voice of the people and I want to be the guy they rally behind. But I'm also like, fuck this, you'll never catch me doing this. For, for such arbitrary things that actually have no impact whatsoever.

• 13:55Andrew Santino?

  What's the most embarrassing thing that no one knows that you do that you don't want someone to see you doing, but you do it and you don't care. It's not that big of a deal.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  Like crying, shitting and coming?

• 14:02Andrew Santino?

  That's my, well, I don't know if that's embarrassing.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no.

• 14:06Andrew Santino?

  Very relieving.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:07Andrew Santino?

  I'll, I'll give you one that's very embarrassing.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, please, give you one, give you one.

• 14:10Andrew Santino?

  I'm a forty-two-year-old man. To this day, I still tie my shoes.

• 14:15Speaker 05

  Bunny ears.

• 14:15Andrew Santino?

  Bunny ears.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  I've never, I've never learned the other way. I refuse and it would be helpful.

• 14:21Andrew Santino?

  God, this is a reveler. You're the only other man I know.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  I, I, and, and it's so.

• 14:24Andrew Santino?

  Loops, woven pole does not interest me at all.

• 14:25Speaker 05

  No.

• 14:26Andrew Santino?

  I like bunnies.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  I like the bunnies. It makes me feel like a little sweetheart.

• 14:29Andrew Santino?

  I like it. I don't know why.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Be a sweetheart.

• 14:31Andrew Santino?

  But it is funny when I have to tie my shoe in public and sees someone who I'm with sees me bend down in bunny ears. If I see them see it, there's a moment where I have to get to the next subject verbally.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  Fast.

• 14:41Andrew Santino?

  Otherwise, they'll be like, "Did you just bunny ear tie your shoes?"

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then you really quick, you say something racial, and you're like, "Uh, what do you think about that?"

• 14:47Andrew Santino?

  Obama was in the basement with a bunch of Jews 20 years ago.

• 14:49Speaker 05

  Uh, this one, this one Jewish clown kid told me, "Dah!" Anyways, he's got a sick crossover.

• 14:54Andrew Santino?

  Sick. He's a dancer now.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:57Andrew Santino?

  Wait a minute.

• 14:57Speaker 05

  Okay, let me-

• 14:58Andrew Santino?

  Clown school, hold on, clown school.

• 14:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, clown school.

• 14:59Andrew Santino?

  While you think about what's embarrassing that you do, that you don't want anybody to see you do like that. It's not that big of a deal, but it does, it does affect my brain.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course.

• 15:06Andrew Santino?

  Clown school, um, clown school is a thing where it's, it's very, um,

• 15:14Andrew Santino?

  there's a lot of reverence for it. It is incredible that people like actually go to do that. What is the percentage of people that you went to school with who are like careering now, or having something with it?

• 15:23Speaker 05

  I just had this conversation last night.

• 15:25Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  So, well, first off, shouts out to my great teacher Philippe Golié, may he rest in peace, he passed away a few months ago.

• 15:30Andrew Santino?

  Damn.

• 15:31Speaker 05

  Just a real bummer, dude.

• 15:32Andrew Santino?

  Philippe Golié?

• 15:33Speaker 05

  Golié.

• 15:34Andrew Santino?

  Golié?

• 15:34Speaker 05

  Philippe Golié, and he's-

• 15:35Andrew Santino?

  Helps me with my French.

• 15:36Speaker 05

  It's a bit, um, Philippe?

• 15:38Andrew Santino?

  Philippe?

• 15:38Speaker 05

  If you take it up, Philippe?

• 15:40Andrew Santino?

  Philippe, uh, Golié?

• 15:41Speaker 05

  Golié. Golié. And his wife Michko?

• 15:44Andrew Santino?

  Michko?

• 15:45Speaker 05

  Michko Mijakil Golié.

• 15:46Andrew Santino?

  Oh, Michko Collier?

• 15:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, ex- exactly. C'est parfait, c'est parfait.

• 15:50Andrew Santino?

  C'est parfait?

• 15:51Speaker 05

  C'est parfait, euh, et ça c'est la chose.

• 15:53Andrew Santino?

  Uh, my favorite thing, French do that, they drag out a, uh, uh, uh.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  That's my, with the, p, by, euh, you can say so much with the face and the noises of, pho, you know, like, that shit kills me. I, I had a friend from school named Clementine there, and she would always go, "Fa, I don't know, uh, buh," and like, I would just crack up all the time.

• 16:12Andrew Santino?

  Because it's a big pause for them, that's like a gap filler?

• 16:15Speaker 05

  That's their like, it's like, fa, buh, fa, en fait, euh, it's like all, and all the different registers mean like a different type of thinking.

• 16:22Andrew Santino?

  It's so interesting.

• 16:23Speaker 05

  And as you're around it, you just start to pick up on it. It's like, it's when people go like, "Sss." You know, it's like their version.

• 16:29Andrew Santino?

  But it's so, but it's so, um, character based. It's weird, like, but they do it culturally, it's very norm.

• 16:35Speaker 05

  And it's just, you know, they're usually like, kind of like here, you know, and it's like a little, it's like they have a glass of wine or a little cigarette and it's like here and you, they really nurse, they nurse the moment. And I think what they, what I love about them is like, one, I love how pretentious the French are and I love how much they care about, how much they don't care about anything. Like, that's their big thing. And they, they like protest, which I love, and they like, they protest so hard for no reason a lot of times, but it's like, by our thing, if we protest, we protest, you know, it's like, they really like, they go for it. It's all matter of fact and you're like, this is so silly, but yeah, I'm fully with it and I like, I love that about them.

• 17:08Andrew Santino?

  Their, their level of self-confidence is unmatched by any other European country. Nobody can be as, most other European countries are, are very like, they're just not, the, the French are so sure.

• 17:17Speaker 05

  They're missing a little bit.

• 17:19Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  They're missing one, there's, each one has one big blind spot.

• 17:22Andrew Santino?

  Right, so the French are so sure of themselves.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Oh, unbelievably.

• 17:24Andrew Santino?

  Like, one of our closest friends is, is, um, is from, is from Paris and, uh, Parisians are a level that no American could match.

• 17:32Speaker 05

  They're such cunts.

• 17:33Andrew Santino?

  No tough New York.

• 17:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 17:35Andrew Santino?

  Brooklyn born, I know this is my block.

• 17:37Speaker 05

  You could get, you can get absolutely disassembled by them or disarmed by them immediately.

• 17:41Andrew Santino?

  It's unbelievable.

• 17:42Speaker 05

  But with one, failo, you give one.

• 17:44Andrew Santino?

  Failo.

• 17:45Speaker 05

  Kiss on the cheek like, oh, here's one, okay. So, uh, uh, like, look, I'm a, I'm a bisexual dude, I feel like I can be like, I can be a good dude and I can be one of the girls. And I'm like, fun in this way, and with being European a bit as well, where like, I've spent most of my like, uh, coming of age years, where I've started, when I learned to come for the first time in Europe.

• 18:06Speaker 05

  Allegedly, uh, and I, and, and when I was, when I was out there, like, you know, the kiss, the double kiss is a thing. And so a lot of times I'll be here where I'll meet someone and I'll kind of come in for this and then they're not doing it at all. And I'm like, oh, great, you think I've just like kissed you.

• 18:22Andrew Santino?

  Now, now you think I'm a predator.

• 18:24Speaker 05

  Now you think I'm a predator, I'm just trying to European pleasantries you and show you how sophisticated I am. And instead I've now made you feel uncomfortable immediately because we do a handshake.

• 18:33Andrew Santino?

  We do.

• 18:33Speaker 05

  And it's like, and then when I go back to Paris, like, I never get it right. I, I, as soon as I leave Paris, I'm like in the flow of it and I come here and no one's doing it. I go back to Paris and I like try to give everyone a hug and then you just almost always kiss them or bump heads and it's like the worst introduction.

• 18:47Andrew Santino?

  Do you go left or right?

• 18:48Speaker 05

  I try to, I usually go left. I usually go-

• 18:50Andrew Santino?

  So everyone should go left first?

• 18:51Speaker 05

  I go left and then I go right and then, and, and I love how fun it's like sometimes if you really love them, you do give them a nice little kiss, but I, I love when you kind of just go, I'm giving you like this side of my chin and my cheek and it's like, yeah, but that's it. And that's the pleasantry and you get it from the, the, you know where to go, but you just know how to feel it. But we don't do it here.

• 19:10Andrew Santino?

  We don't do it. We, well, I do have some, we, we have some family friends that do do it, that do like the kiss on the cheek thing. Uh, some of them kiss you right, right on the crest of the lip here, right on the corner.

• 19:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:20Andrew Santino?

  And I don't know if that's-

• 19:21Speaker 05

  It's a sneaky little French game they like to play.

• 19:23Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, how close can I get?

• 19:24Speaker 05

  How close, cause look, they're all about lovers, which again, I think that is a great way to live life.

• 19:28Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, they do. They're free.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  They're free and it's like, it's okay to take a lover. It's just, you know, you don't say nothing. I don't catch you. You don't catch me and uh, voila.

• 19:37Andrew Santino?

  Voila, voila. Wait there, cause they're, they're the original poly community. France is like the original-

• 19:42Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 19:43Andrew Santino?

  Spread love.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 19:44Andrew Santino?

  It's, it's almost like America tried in the seventies, like free love and then America was like, I don't think that's, that's not really for us.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  We're gonna get back to the white picket fence and those mowed lawns.

• 19:54Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 05

  Fast.

• 19:55Andrew Santino?

  Uh, right, right, put, quick, put up a tire. Put up a tire and a swing, right now. That's every, that's every straight American male in that era that like kissed another guy on accident was like,

• 20:04Speaker 05

  Isn't that shit so funny to me?

• 20:05Andrew Santino?

  I gotta buy an Oldsmobile right now. It like recorrected very fast. Then the eighties came around and they're like cocaine, Wall Street.

• 20:14Andrew Santino?

  It just became like such, the seventies were like the post sixties era, like figuring it out, like doing it, be free. And then fight for what you believe in. The eighties are like, get the gays out of here.

• 20:25Speaker 05

  Son, I'm proud of you. And then never hear from your dad again for like eighteen years.

• 20:29Andrew Santino?

  Dude, that's me. I'm born in eighty-three. Like my entire generation is just like, don't do that, do this, be quiet, sit down. Everything was so, we were so like, um, we were so bullied by rules-

• 20:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:42Andrew Santino?

  That we felt, we felt scared of, of the other side. And then the next generation, nineties kids felt, well, like my sister, way more free, way more like, shut up, who fucking cares?

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:52Andrew Santino?

  Like I, my sister never got what I, I got hit all the time.

• 20:56Speaker 05

  And I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to hit you. You just had such a beautiful face.

• 20:59Andrew Santino?

  Beautiful little face. We just got, I just got, I was a bad kid anyway.

• 21:03Speaker 05

  I was gonna ask, were you, were you a troublemaker? Were you, did you know it? Did you do it on purpose? Was it kind of just like your reflex? You were like, hey, I'm- Like I was in the principal's office my whole life.

• 21:12Andrew Santino?

  All the time.

• 21:13Speaker 05

  I was always apologizing.

• 21:14Andrew Santino?

  Well, I got kicked out of Moody Bible in Chicago. Shout out Moody Bible, they kicked me out.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  Shout out Moody's. Wait, are you, did you grow up in Chicago?

• 21:18Andrew Santino?

  Moody Bible? Yeah, for, for my childhood.

• 21:20Speaker 05

  Okay, I grew up in Highland Park.

• 21:22Andrew Santino?

  Did you really?

• 21:22Speaker 05

  In the suburbs, yeah, yeah.

• 21:23Andrew Santino?

  I, a Moody Bible downtown, that's where I went to school. And then my mom got remarried, we moved to the suburbs.

• 21:27Speaker 05

  Okay, my, yeah, my mom's from Homewood.

• 21:29Andrew Santino?

  Oh shit.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 21:31Andrew Santino?

  Family.

• 21:31Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 21:32Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, but see, the Jews are all up north.

• 21:33Speaker 05

  We are.

• 21:34Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 05

  And that's where you belong. And we're gonna stay up there.

• 21:36Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  And you better not be gay up there. It's one thing to be Jewish, it's another to be gay.

• 21:42Andrew Santino?

  My son, he's a gay Jew, what do I do?

• 21:45Speaker 05

  Turns into a pu- perfect musical, yeah. It's Mel Brooks his whole life.

• 21:49Andrew Santino?

  I got kicked out, I got kicked out of Moody Bible for being, I was just a bad kid, but I knew I was a bad kid. Also, you know, rebellion was gonna be a part of my thing. My mom got separated from my dad when I was one, he had some troubles. And so I was like, you know, kind of this wild little loose, uh, kid, single mother, and then, um, I just knew that like, I didn't like taking things serious. So fucking off was my answer to my, probably my, my, my, my lack of comfort.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:15Andrew Santino?

  So I was like, well, I'll just fuck off, uh, break it, uh, take it apart, goof on it, make fun of it, make light of it, cause it was easier than, than the other side.

• 22:24Speaker 05

  It's so much easier that way. I, I also, I, it's funny, I remember being in fifth grade, like, I always fucked around. I remember being the kids watching South Park the movie, watching Shut Your Fucking Face Uncle Fucker.

• 22:33Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 05

  But I'm like, that was me. And I loved that. And then I remember in fifth grade, I saw, I saw the, the, the movie musical version of seventeen seventy-six. And I was like, one day I'm gonna lead a revolution. Now, still figuring out what that is.

• 22:49Andrew Santino?

  It's coming.

• 22:50Speaker 05

  Maybe it's fifty-year-old guys joining the NBA.

• 22:52Andrew Santino?

  That could be great. Fifty-year-old, fifty-year-old white Jews in the NBA.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  I've also never gone to college, so in theory, I could do what these punks are doing right now that are going to college at twenty-eight.

• 23:00Andrew Santino?

  Going back?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I could go back, I've never done it.

• 23:02Andrew Santino?

  Clown school didn't have, uh, clown college didn't have a team? Didn't have a squad?

• 23:05Speaker 05

  No, you know, it's funny, I think besides me, maybe three other people had touched a basketball before.

• 23:09Andrew Santino?

  Sunk on sunk?

• 23:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:10Andrew Santino?

  Uh, uh, uh, uh, sank, yeah, well, sunk on sunk. Sunk on sunk?

• 23:13Speaker 05

  Five on five.

• 23:14Andrew Santino?

  Five on five, sunk on sunk?

• 23:15Speaker 05

  Five on five, sunk on, le, on je.

• 23:16Andrew Santino?

  How do you say shirts and skins? How do you say shirts and skins?

• 23:18Speaker 05

  Chemise, uh, I don't know how you would say skins, but.

• 23:21Andrew Santino?

  What do you say skins in French? He'll look it up. Chemie?

• 23:23Speaker 05

  Chemie?

• 23:23Andrew Santino?

  Uh, sunk on sunk, uh, chemie?

• 23:25Speaker 05

  Chemie, chemie or pas chemie. You just say not shirts.

• 23:27Andrew Santino?

  Peu?

• 23:29Speaker 05

  Peu?

• 23:29Andrew Santino?

  P A, P E A.

• 23:31Speaker 05

  Puh? Puh? Like, puh? Puh? That's what it says. It's so funny, because again, I don't know how to read French.

• 23:37Andrew Santino?

  There is a French person at home right now, very, very upset at this.

• 23:40Speaker 05

  But this, what is this? This is a disgrace to my, uh...

• 23:43Andrew Santino?

  You do this to any other language, and they would be like, "Ah, that's fun, they're goofing, they're trying."

• 23:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:47Andrew Santino?

  The French are genuinely mad.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  I get corrected constantly.

• 23:50Andrew Santino?

  They're mad about it.

• 23:50Speaker 05

  And, and I, and I love it, and I get, like, it hurts my heart every time, but there's sort of this, like, masochistic thing where it's like, "But they cared enough to correct me."

• 23:57Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, they do.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  They do.

• 23:59Andrew Santino?

  They give a shit enough to be like...

• 24:01Speaker 05

  Beautiful language, if you butcher it, I will kill you. But, have a coffee? And then also, they give you the worst coff- there's no good coffee in Paris, it's just like, they have so many amazing things there, and everyone just is like, "But, coffee is shit."

• 24:13Andrew Santino?

  But what, they don't drink coffee, is it just not a cultural thing?

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Not so much, they, they'll have, they'll have a little coffee and a cigarette at the balon- at the balonjerie, or, or like, outside when you're like, sitting in a little cafe, just like, looking, like, there was an old man outside, my friend, shout out Good Matty, I shout out on every podcast, it's my bestie.

• 24:26Andrew Santino?

  You must, you must, you must.

• 24:27Speaker 05

  GM, I love you. And there was from her place, um, you could always see there was this, like, old guy who was, he was like, the color of this and orange, but he was like a white guy that was just frying in the sun for so long. And, and he like, every day would walk out in the most, like, gigolo-esque shirt, from, you know, from the other eras. Popped collars in the morning.

• 24:45Andrew Santino?

  Veed all the way down.

• 24:46Speaker 05

  Veed all the way down, chest out.

• 24:47Andrew Santino?

  Beautiful.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  And he was always like, "Yeah, you was, hello, bonjour, salut", you know, like, this type of guy, and he would always be like, he would have always a, he would always have a smoke, he'd always have a little cigarette, and he'd always be reading a book, and then he'd just kind of be chilling, kind of peacocking, chest out, seeing if any young, beautiful women were gonna

• 25:02Andrew Santino?

  And they would, eventually, somebody would.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  Surely, I did, you know, I wa- I wanted to know where he got that beautiful fabric.

• 25:12Speaker 02

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• 27:42Speaker 03

  Ginger. I like gingers.

• 27:45Andrew Santino?

  The characters that you're able to get in there, that we only have it so many cities in the US. New York has a lot of good characters.

• 27:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:51Andrew Santino?

  Chicago has some characters, Miami has characters, LA has characters, but they're not the ones that you want to play.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  No, it's a bum, they're sad.

• 27:58Andrew Santino?

  They're sad characters.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  And that, this goes into the other larger thing was like at clown school, so it's like, it's like, my, my two years was like seventy-five of the weirdest people from like forty-five different countries.

• 28:08Andrew Santino?

  Wow.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  All of us have this like desire in our heart to perform and like literally cannot figure it out in any way, shape or form.

• 28:16Andrew Santino?

  Well, you figured it out to go to school.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Exactly. We're like, well, I got nowhere else to go. I might as well go to this clown school in France that's like truly a labyrinth to get into. Like the, the website used to be this like horrible like 2D flash website, all in English second language from him and French and his wife in Japanese. It makes no sense. He already speaks in riddles and if you could figure out how to send her the hundred euro deposit for one course, you were good.

• 28:37Andrew Santino?

  You were in.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Now you just gotta figure out how to get there and, and...

• 28:40Andrew Santino?

  And then where do you live while you're there too?

• 28:42Speaker 05

  You could live in Paris, you could live in the city. I lived all over, I lived with like, you know, first I lived with an Italian guy, a girl from Basque Country, a girl from Mallorca and a girl from Belgium.

• 28:51Andrew Santino?

  I saw this episode of Girls, it was really good.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  It was amazing. And then wait till the next episode of Friends, it was me, the Italian, the girl from, the Taiwanese girl and the Italian guy.

• 28:58Andrew Santino?

  Holy shit.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. And so we just, you know, I lived with all these different people from all these different cultures.

• 29:02Andrew Santino?

  Not from clown school though, they're just humans you met while you were...

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry. These were all, these were other students.

• 29:06Andrew Santino?

  Oh, they were all students?

• 29:07Speaker 05

  But I did, but I did live like the first time I was with a host family, Franck and Marilyn, and they did not speak any English whatsoever. And over the years, they learned, but they had like nine cats. I'm severely allergic to cats, so I could like never breathe in their house. It was a nightmare. And then, um, one year I did like a music video where I played the love interest of like a G, like a PG music video called Hello Beautiful. And when they, we showed it to them, they cried of laughter so hard that they opened up their secret little downstairs cinema that they never let us go into to play it eight times in a row to just keep laughing at me.

• 29:40Andrew Santino?

  Really?

• 29:41Speaker 05

  And I was like, when that moment happened, I was like, we're good. Like you love me, you see me now.

• 29:45Andrew Santino?

  Well, cause comedy's universal.

• 29:46Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 29:47Andrew Santino?

  You know what I mean? Especially, especially, uh, physical comedy, right? Verbal, it's really hard to sell a joke overseas if it, if it has so many American references to it.

• 29:54Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:55Andrew Santino?

  But physical comedy, there's something about, if you can, if you, movement is it. Like we all know, uh, that's why I like pratfall, like a fall is always funny. Falls are always funny.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:04Andrew Santino?

  We watched A Long Came Polly last night. And when when Philip Seymour Hoffman walks in and goes, "Reben!" And he slips on the dance floor and falls. The fall is so good and hard, and you can tell it really fucking hurt.

• 30:15Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 30:16Andrew Santino?

  The best man is in the half. The best man's in the half. The way he falls, and I go, it doesn't matter what country, what age, what year I see that, where, who you're, where you're from. It's funny to watch somebody fall.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  Getting kicked in the nuts, slipping.

• 30:28Andrew Santino?

  It's always funny. That's like 101 in clown school, they're like, falling is funny.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  It is, well, that's, that's the whole thing is like, you know, when you have seventy-five, like, our whole things were like, one, get into your body. Cause whether or not the audience knows about it, or people are aware of it, we're picking up all the subconscious, like, you know, stimuli that you would have from any physical choice. And for me, that is like, we, we, I try to do that intentionally, but like, to be able to play this way, I feel like I'm much better with my body than my words. Ladies, fellas, everyone in between.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  And what about me?

• 31:01Speaker 05

  But, but in this school, he also then taught us this idea of like game, and it's like so many people say the word game and all these different things, but it's like, what is the, what are, what are we playing? Who is this? What, what's going on here? And if you can find the game in the scene, it does not matter what language you're speaking. Everything just becomes rhythmic. And it's like text no longer is the sole way to make people laugh. It's just like another ingredient that you can use to perform with. And so, you have all these people that like, you know, I remember the best scene I've ever seen in my life was this Malaysian girl named Bella and this Japanese guy named Tatsya. They did a Greek tragedy scene that, I don't speak Malay and I don't speak Japanese, but like, I was moved to pieces and was like crying, watching this gorgeous scene happen, cause you see this like, physicality and the performance and you're like, you know, they could have been making fun of us the whole time and nobody would have known.

• 31:45Andrew Santino?

  It would have been incredible.

• 31:45Speaker 05

  Incredible.

• 31:46Andrew Santino?

  They're shitting on all you guys the whole time?

• 31:47Speaker 05

  Incredible. That's my dream. That's my dream.

• 31:50Andrew Santino?

  Wait, who, did anybody, is anybody like?

• 31:52Speaker 05

  So yes, so there's, we were saying last night, across our like, there's like a three-year span where like,

• 31:59Speaker 05

  You know, I'm not trying to be like an old head about it, but like, between the 2014 to like 2016, 17 Goliath classes, like, in my classes, I mean, and I love everybody, and if anyone here hears this, I love you all, but I think it's like really, myself and my buddy Tom Walker, who's an amazing Australian physical comedian, he's a a mime, a clown, a writer, he hosts Australian Great Bake Off and like, has done some great stuff down there, but he's amazing, he's got a special on Amazon, fantastic guy. And then the year below me is like, my two best friends and comedy partners, Vigo Ven, who won Britain's Got Talent, and Johnny Woolley, who's my director of everything I do. And then we have like a bunch, our friend Sammy Abouwada is a great artist, our friend Elf Lyons,

• 32:45Speaker 05

  our friends, Matty Bai is in a group called Siblings, like, oh god, there's probably other people that I'm forgetting, but these are all people who are like established fringe.

• 32:52Andrew Santino?

  And moving through the scene really well.

• 32:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, Gary Starr, my friend Damian, like, you know, all these people are like selling out, winning awards, traveling around the world, making their own shows, and like, we had a really tight knit group, you know, it was really cool and I'm like really proud to be.

• 33:04Andrew Santino?

  That's so cool.

• 33:05Speaker 05

  Oh, I love them, man.

• 33:06Andrew Santino?

  And I think that happens in waves, I think that sounds strange to say, but a lot of time graduating classes, for some reason, certain classes are blessed, like something happened that all these classes came together.

• 33:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:15Andrew Santino?

  And not to say that any other is less valid, but they are less valid.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  Look, and I'm happy to ride that, I'm gonna stand behind that, but not have to say it.

• 33:24Andrew Santino?

  That's right. I just think you do see classes sometimes that are like quite impressive, that make like a big splash.

• 33:30Speaker 05

  Did you go to college, what'd you do?

• 33:31Andrew Santino?

  I went to college, but it wasn't a real thing, I went to, yeah, I went to Arizona State. Yeah, I went to Arizona State, I went to Arizona State, I wanted to get to the west coast, I wanted so bad to get out here and start stand up and try comedy. And I went there for journalism and English and creative writing classes. All I really wanted to do was find a funnel way to like make stuff.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. Had you done any theater, any performance whatsoever at all, leading up to it?

• 33:54Andrew Santino?

  Uh, as a kid, no, I didn't really do any, as a kid, I just was a punk, who played basketball and loved to fuck off. Also, I thought I was a rapper, and skate, loved skating. Yeah, I thought I was that guy.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, of course. Draw tattoos on myself all the time. I would draw like the only the strong will survive on a cross with like a basketball and I was like, well Tyson Chandler.

• 34:14Andrew Santino?

  I have it permanently right now on this arm.

• 34:16Speaker 05

  Do you?

• 34:16Andrew Santino?

  Still on my arm.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  Well, I would, I would draw like all Tupac's tattoos and I, I had the.

• 34:20Andrew Santino?

  Love the Tupac tattoos.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  And I would, I had the, I would go thug life and I had the wherewithal to just write the number 50 and put the gun. I didn't, I didn't like slap the N word on my chest, which is kind of awesome.

• 34:28Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 34:29Speaker 05

  You know, I, and, and look, I got the pass. From all the other Jews in the school.

• 34:34Andrew Santino?

  Yeah. You can say it.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  You can say it, it's okay. No one's here. We're by ourselves. Well, that was, that was actually our, the makeup of where I grew up. It was like basically, you know, it was like Jewish and Mexican communities.

• 34:45Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 05

  And, and so like that was, for me, that's why I spoke Spanish. I'm in a, I was in a dual language program as a kid.

• 34:49Andrew Santino?

  Oh, you were?

• 34:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude.

• 34:51Andrew Santino?

  They tried to insert me in that, but you're not gonna like this. My mom taught, I, I talked, I, in my last special, I had a joke about it, but I went to a school, I went to a school called La Salle Language Academy downtown.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know La Salle.

• 34:59Andrew Santino?

  And I, um, and I, and she made me take German. Don't, I know.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  Why wouldn't I like that?

• 35:06Andrew Santino?

  Well.

• 35:09Andrew Santino?

  Because?

• 35:10Speaker 05

  What do you mean?

• 35:10Andrew Santino?

  Oh, you are wearing Adidas.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  Thank you for just saying it like that.

• 35:15Andrew Santino?

  And those are Kanye's shoes, by the way.

• 35:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's tough. Well, that's, okay, look, let's talk about this for a sec because obviously as a Chicago kid, I love Kanye.

• 35:24Andrew Santino?

  I do too.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  And I, as a kid, I also worked on a charity with him as a kid and I met him and I met Virgil and I met Lupe Fiasco and Common and it's like, I have put so much of what I love and, and not even that, the, if we are gonna separate artists and art for a second, the way he produces, and I believe pulls the best out of other people and then allow you both to shine and kind of like spin around each other. It's like, that is, the composition of it and the production and the engineering is my basis for everything that I try to create.

• 35:52Andrew Santino?

  He's a magic man, unfortunately. He just, I think, well, I think he's just, uh, I think he has some mental health issues. It's a bummer and it's like.

• 35:58Speaker 05

  Really?

• 35:59Andrew Santino?

  Yeah. I mean, no, no one's really said that.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, no.

• 36:01Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  I, I mean, for the first 25 years of his career, he was kind of, I didn't love what he said, but the last two years, I've really been loving what he's been saying.

• 36:06Andrew Santino?

  That's really strong. If anything, he commits.

• 36:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, that's the.

• 36:10Andrew Santino?

  Actually, ironically, he backs out all the time. He's like, I didn't mean to say all that. You're like, well, then why?

• 36:14Speaker 05

  Why'd you say that?

• 36:14Andrew Santino?

  Why did you say all that?

• 36:15Speaker 05

  Triples down. Here it is on a shirt, and you're like, oh, dude. Well, that's the hard part.

• 36:20Andrew Santino?

  It is hard for him, especially because I do, I have loved him so much, but you're like, so disappointed.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  It's really upsetting.

• 36:26Andrew Santino?

  It's so disappointing all the time. You're like, just cut that out, will you?

• 36:28Speaker 05

  I think, you know, I never fully, like, I boycotted in that, like, it took me, I, I didn't listen to him for a few years or big months at a time. Not because I was like, I will never listen to you, because, you know, I, I subscribe to the, if you're a fan of Kanye West, you're a fan of yourself. And that was something that he would say, and it meant a lot to me. And I, I believe in my heart, he's not this terrible person. I just believe he's super sick. But then I hear from a lot of my Jewish friends, which, again, it's like, sucks to be Jewish right now, kind of all the time, but like.

• 36:58Andrew Santino?

  It's always been bad.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  It's not great.

• 36:59Andrew Santino?

  And by the way, and it's gonna stay that way.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  It's gonna, it's only gonna get worse. Until we find a way to get me into the NBA.

• 37:11Speaker 05

  Pass, I'm over here. I'm schvitzed in the corner.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  But it's like, this, this also, this fun, to have fun, to play the idea of something stupid. This is what I loved most about clown school is that everything was on limits. And if you, you can do impressions of each other, you can make fun of each other, we can mock each other, and it was never like, to be racist or to be nasty. It's like, my, my comedy partner, Vigo, would always say, I'm to laugh of, I want them to laugh of me. Like, and I don't want to laugh on you or at you, but I want you to laugh of me, laugh of what I got.

• 37:46Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  And I love when people make fun of me.

• 37:50Andrew Santino?

  Well, yeah, it's fun.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  It's hilarious, and I want to do it back. And so then it defeats the whole purpose of like, you can't do this. And I was like, oh, what? I'm sorry. Are you, are, are you, are they not allowed to have fun too?

• 38:00Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  And, and so to be able to laugh of these things, like, I don't know, I think that's the beauty of it, is all the, the, you know, I, I think if any other artist had done what Kanye had said, I probably would say, fuck that person to hell. But because he happened to be my favorite artist, I'm like, well.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  And I feel bad. A lot of my Jewish friends are like, how do you, like, you know, I, I've been looking and remembering some of the horrible shit he did. And I'm like, yeah, dude, it is awful.

• 38:22Andrew Santino?

  It's awful. It is awful, but.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  And I love him, and I pray for him.

• 38:26Andrew Santino?

  I will say this, he's saying it, he's not, actions.

• 38:31Andrew Santino?

  I think if some of his actions were disgusting, I'd be more embarrassed and sad about it. But it's his words, which I know come from a place of him trying to find the art in his speak.

• 38:43Speaker 05

  And that's what I hope.

• 38:43Andrew Santino?

  And you're like, I just, I think you're just looking down the wrong... You know what, he's like using the wrong color to paint with, and you're like, "Don't do that, dude."

• 38:51Speaker 05

  And he's like, "No, no, I swear there's something here."

• 38:52Andrew Santino?

  And you're like, "I know there's not."

• 38:54Speaker 05

  "I promise there's not."

• 38:55Andrew Santino?

  But I will say, from an artist's perspective, and I'm not one, but I would love to hear one, if anybody has one at home, please send in [email protected] if you have any advice, I'd love. But I just think, I know what he's doing.

• 39:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:10Andrew Santino?

  That's the saddest part, that you're like, "Oh dude, you're just, I think you're being, you think you're being bold, you think you're being risque, you're being daring, you're being, you're being wrong, but that's what's good, because in art mind, you're always told like, "Well, bad can be good, and wrong is sometimes right, and trying is the best thing you can do, even when it's a complete failure."

• 39:30Speaker 05

  Or miss.

• 39:31Andrew Santino?

  So that in his mind is like, "No dude, this is still a win, I'm exploring, we're digging, we're finding." But it's like, yeah, but it's on the heels of so much awful shit, and I don't know if, I don't know.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  And look, this is the hard part, I always was hoping like, "Give me that Joaquin Phoenix, "I'm Still Here documentary movie that's gonna come out with all of this." But I knew it wasn't there, and as someone who like, I feel, you know, I've lived with this guy in my life for 20 plus years, where you feel you know the journey, you know what he's been through, so you give this man as much benefit of the doubt as you can, versus somebody that maybe...

• 40:04Andrew Santino?

  Just someone else on the street, yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, just someone on the street, but then the bummer is, it's like, dude, you have brought like, a horrific, like insidious vibe to your crowd, to your fanbase. Like, I went to his concert in LA, if you go with my best friend.

• 40:17Andrew Santino?

  You went to the SoFi?

• 40:17Speaker 05

  I did.

• 40:18Andrew Santino?

  How was that?

• 40:18Speaker 05

  I mean, it was amazing.

• 40:19Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  And also, I'm like... Is he done? And I don't want to believe that.

• 40:24Andrew Santino?

  Like, was this a goodbye?

• 40:25Speaker 05

  Or like, is this, or more is it just like, oh, is he toast? Cause like, I like some of the new album. But then you see, you hear his fucking, the beginnings of every single song. It was like so poignant and lean and dense and punchy and funny and like progressive. And you're like, oh yeah, that's what like, that's what this guy brings. Even as, even as silly as she don't believe in shooting stars, she believes in shoes and cars. It's like that, it's like I missed that and instead I'm getting like, yeah, I'm fucking great. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like, I can vibe to that sometimes, but I'm like, I wish you were saying that without saying it.

• 40:59Andrew Santino?

  Right, give me something else.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:01Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, but I think like, uh, this is a good transition for me, cause uh, I'm, I'm interested so much. And we talked a little bit, uh, offline about the creation or the discovery, um, of Jack. And like, where did that, like, where does that, where did that pop out of?

• 41:18Speaker 05

  My, my alter ego, Jack Tucker is my stand-up comedy ego, or alter ego. Um.

• 41:23Andrew Santino?

  A tremendous performer.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  Why, thank you.

• 41:25Andrew Santino?

  A tremendous performer, not you, him.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, of cour- of course, yeah, Jack and I are different guys.

• 41:29Andrew Santino?

  Yes.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  I'm just some annoying bisexual Jew. Jack is a Christian man and he's a comic.

• 41:34Andrew Santino?

  Coin it, clip it, name of the episode, Annoying Bisexual Jew.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  I didn't say that, he just said that apropos of nothing, so.

• 41:40Andrew Santino?

  The internet just has me just saying that and they're like, what an asshole.

• 41:43Speaker 05

  And you going, I don't think Kanye's messaging was wrong.

• 41:48Andrew Santino?

  Keep doubling down on everything?

• 41:51Speaker 00

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• 42:20Speaker 05

  Um, I, so Tucker came from, Vigo and I used to tour a lot. We started our careers doing a double act called Creatively, if you can believe it. Zack and Vigo.

• 42:27Andrew Santino?

  How'd they come up with that?

• 42:28Speaker 05

  Uh, and, uh, yeah, real, real knock it out of the park.

• 42:31Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  Um, and we, we were having trouble getting booked for gigs because people said what we did wasn't comedy. Because we were doing like more Mr. Bean, physical type stuff.

• 42:40Andrew Santino?

  Comedy.

• 42:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, comedy.

• 42:41Andrew Santino?

  Comedy.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  And to be fair, we were in like Lycra bodysuits and had props. You know, it's not so fun. You don't want those guys around, but we were good. And so, and I kept seeing like, and so that's kind of how Stamtown started was like, well, let's start a space for all these fucking freaks and wackos that I think are way funnier than dipshit McGee with his hand in his pants being like, so I fingered my girlfriend the other day. And to be hilarious, want to know how he did it? What did you do? Please tell me.

• 43:05Andrew Santino?

  How many fingers?

• 43:05Speaker 05

  How many fingers? And where do you put them? And what do you do after? Ooh.

• 43:10Andrew Santino?

  Play the piano?

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. Ooh, da, da, da, da.

• 43:13Andrew Santino?

  That's how that song was composed.

• 43:14Speaker 05

  It was a guy fingered someone for the first time and went, duh, duh, duh. He got really excited.

• 43:20Speaker 05

  And then, um, okay, so yeah, what did I say? Something bisexual Jew brackets, the origin of fingering? That's the new title for this? But then, but then with Tucker, I kept, I kind of had this crisis where I was like, where I was like, am I good at comedy? Am I a good comedian? I think, even to this day, I don't even call myself a comedian. I just say I'm a performer.

• 43:36Andrew Santino?

  You're a comedic performer.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  I hope so.

• 43:39Andrew Santino?

  I'm a performer. But you do have a comedic base.

• 43:40Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:41Andrew Santino?

  Because inherently your, your attitude, your approach to things are very funny. I see you and I smile.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 43:47Andrew Santino?

  I do. Well, it's just natural.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 43:49Andrew Santino?

  Uh, some people have that. Some people just have a thing where it's like, uh, it's like ingrained in your DNA.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  And that's what I feel, that's what I learned from Philippe. It's like you have that never ending like distilled, like engine of like pure love and joy to perform and entertain and be there. And I'm like, I will, I will stay here as long as you guys want me to. If you're willing to watch this, I will do anything. I love this. And with Tucker, I was like, okay, well, maybe, maybe I should just play a bad comedian. Like I love Neil Hamburger and he was, he gave me my first ever paid gig and has been so supportive of me the whole time doing, you know, another version, like obviously I'm inspired by him and Tim Heidecker, like the anti comedy comedy. You know, Sacha Baron Cohen was a huge influence for me and like all that stuff in that world. And so when we started, we were like, well, obviously Jack Tucker is like a way more believable name than my real name.

• 44:35Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, it is.

• 44:36Speaker 05

  And I, and I didn't know anything about, I had never, I was five years into my career and I'd never used a microphone before. I'd only ever done physical stuff. Hands-free. You never know.

• 44:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it was a really rough, horrific developmental process. Like, the show sucked for a long time.

• 44:53Andrew Santino?

  But then, once you found it.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  Once I found, I mean, again, I've been doing it for seven years, so like, I hope it's this good at this point, otherwise I'd be in trouble.

• 45:01Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  You know, like, but I, and I'll still bomb, but I think I've made like a bulletproof kind of costume.

• 45:08Andrew Santino?

  Well, okay, because when you get to live in a character, it doesn't even matter if it bombs. Because it doesn't really bomb.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  Well, because, well, I also, I always forget this, like, I forget the jokes are bad. I genuinely, verbatim, find them fucking hilarious.

• 45:19Andrew Santino?

  They are very funny.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  And, and so I'm selling him with it, you do the perfect like clown delivery of like, what's the dumbest thing you could do with like all the sincerity in your heart? And like, do it in the best way humanly possible. And then be like, wasn't that amazing? After telling the worst joke ever? And then just, keep on going.

• 45:34Andrew Santino?

  The tics that you do that I really find ama- I love the writing on the hand. I like, love looking at your hand.

• 45:39Speaker 05

  Well, so I used to never, actually, there was never anything on the hand.

• 45:41Andrew Santino?

  I've seen it where it wasn't anything on your hand.

• 45:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then, and then sometimes for stamp time, when I like panic writing new jokes before I go out, where it's like five minutes before the show, and I'm like, "Boys, I got nothing. Like, we gotta come up with something for tonight." And I'll panic write them on there, but for the whole show, though, always the gag was there was never anything on here.

• 45:55Andrew Santino?

  Because I've seen you show that there's nothing on your hand. I think it's extremely funny to look down at your hand. Great comedic tics of like, it's almost like you're a professional open mic'er.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  Like, yeah.

• 46:04Andrew Santino?

  He, he, like, he's incredibly experienced, but he does all the same tropes that you would do if you'd just begun your career.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  This was always what we would do for Tucker's bios or any of his like web copy. It was like, he's toured all over the world from like, uh, like he, or like a, uh, oh, what was it? It was like a regular, on like the upstate New York regional comedy scene. He's been all over the world from New York to Manhattan to Brooklyn. It's like, that's all he's, and we're also like, but he's also maybe never even been to New York.

• 46:28Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, no, I would imagine he never got to New York.

• 46:30Speaker 05

  No, he never made it to the city, but he knows everybody, but he also knows no one. And we, our, our lore for him was that he lives in the basement of, in Chinatown of like a noodle shop, and eats barrels of fermented noodles and gets what's called noodle noggin. So he has like a bit psychosis all the time. His best friend's is rubber chicken, chicken.

• 46:46Andrew Santino?

  Love chicken.

• 46:47Speaker 05

  And we were saying that he just doesn't like live in, he doesn't even live anywhere, he just kind of like spawns there and is just like lurking.

• 46:52Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  All the time. We pitched a show called Jack Tucker Wanders of the World where he's just wandering around wondering what the hell's going on. Like that, I like, I like, to me, that's him. He's just like somewhere, like he right now, I know he has to be in Austin tomorrow for some shows.

• 47:06Andrew Santino?

  He does.

• 47:06Speaker 05

  And I don't know how he's gonna get there, but he does.

• 47:07Andrew Santino?

  He doesn't fly, right?

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Um, I think he's afraid to fly. I don't know if he's allowed to fly. He's tried to bring gun, well, I've, I've gotten in trouble bringing like fake dynamite and guns and bags of money on planes.

• 47:17Andrew Santino?

  TSA freaked out, huh?

• 47:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude.

• 47:18Andrew Santino?

  The fake gun was not a good move.

• 47:20Speaker 05

  I've gotten in trouble a few times where I have to like, I'll get in front of it and be like, I'm a comedian. I'm just, these are props, I'm just joking, they're not real. And they're like, oh, you're a comedian? Tell us a joke. And I'm like, well, I don't really tell jokes. And then I got like absolutely eaten alive by a TSA agent in Syracuse who was like, get a load of this guy. He's a comedian, he doesn't tell any freaking jokes. And everyone's like pissing themselves and I'm like, you know, I have rubber chickens in my bag, like a snake in a can pops out. It's like so embarrassing, but they're not wrong.

• 47:48Andrew Santino?

  No.

• 47:49Speaker 05

  They're not wrong.

• 47:49Andrew Santino?

  They're not. No. What's the alternative to that? You have to ship it? Don't we ship stuff sometimes?

• 47:54Speaker 05

  Sometimes, which is so expensive.

• 47:55Andrew Santino?

  Oh, yeah, it's a rip off. Because otherwise you gotta pack it in your carry-on. If you have fake dynamite, what do you?

• 47:59Speaker 05

  I usually put it always under the plane, but I've forgotten sometimes. But it's like, it just is all sus.

• 48:03Andrew Santino?

  If it's under the plane, then they still scan it, don't they?

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Of course. And I, I sometimes would write like a little letter that was on top of it, like, these are all props for a comedy show.

• 48:09Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 48:10Speaker 05

  Or I would tape it on my suitcase.

• 48:11Andrew Santino?

  I feel like it's easier to bring it through carry-on, because that way you can show them and talk to them. If it's under the plane, imagine they pull you off the plane, they're like, we found something in your bag.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  Well, they always search my bag, like always my bag gets searched.

• 48:21Andrew Santino?

  You gotta be flagged now.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  Oh, a hundred percent. But luckily they've, it's been the same dynamite for seven years.

• 48:26Andrew Santino?

  Same dynamite.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Same type of dynamite.

• 48:28Andrew Santino?

  Same type of dynamite.

• 48:28Speaker 05

  I, I got in trouble actually going to France recently when I was, this was just like so embarrassing. I was going through the Eurostar, uh, and they, they have like, um, And it was the French side, so I was trying to flex my French a little bit. As I was trying to come through. And I realized I had all my props and I was like, actually, I don't know how to talk about this at all. I don't know how to express that this is.

• 48:47Andrew Santino?

  In French, yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I was like, hey, I'm a comedian, I have all these fake props. I don't need this, like, you can throw them away. And the guy was like, you can't have this in here, if like, we see this, we're gonna get in trouble. I'm like, please, take it out. And he's like, look, we'll run it through and see how it goes. It runs through, it's all fine, and he goes, "You're all good." And I was like, oh, thank you, man. And I lift my bag off, I put it on the ground, and immediately I forgot I had a megaphone in there. And the alarm starts going off, and it's like, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, like this, and I freak out, I open my bag, dude, there's nine rubber chickens. There's like, there's a fake, there's bags, there's money bags, money and guns. And I'm like, I'm like, absolutely like, doing this, and I like, pop the battery out and kind of like, put it away like a, like this, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. You know, put it back in there, and I lift the bag back up, and you just hear like, uh-uh. It's like, all the chickens going off.

• 49:31Speaker 05

  It's, it's so, and then, and then like, someone came up to me and was like, "Dude, I like, I love your videos." And I looked back at the guy, watching me, being like, who the fuck is this guy?

• 49:41Andrew Santino?

  Right, right.

• 49:42Speaker 05

  Cause I don't look cool either, you know, I'm like, I'm like, so tired and hungover, like.

• 49:46Andrew Santino?

  There's a moment for comedy, that somebody goes, dude, huge fan, and the TSA guy's like, what the fuck is going on?

• 49:51Speaker 05

  I don't know who you are, and I don't know what.

• 49:52Andrew Santino?

  Like, you all feel like a setup, like you hired him to say that?

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Truly, it feels like I'm prank, I'm like, I'm not in practical joking you. I'm like, actually just trying to go to my friend Matty's house. Again, shout out good Matty.

• 50:00Andrew Santino?

  Sal Murph, come on and reveal yourself. Truly. On this episode of Impractical Jokers, we're sending, we're sending clowns across the border. The worst, yeah, clowns across the border, the worst people to send through with all of the, all of everything that they have with it. Well, Bob got busted, where were we with the dildo that went off, or the vibrator that went off?

• 50:17Speaker 04

  We were in Australia.

• 50:18Andrew Santino?

  He had a pocket pussy. Yeah, we're overseas, and he has a, he is a pocket pussy, and it's a pretty advanced one. This one is very, very.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  It plugs into the wall.

• 50:24Andrew Santino?

  It plugs into, it's very high end.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  So funny.

• 50:26Andrew Santino?

  Well, you never leave home without it.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  No, no, of course.

• 50:28Andrew Santino?

  So we're going through customs, and it's like a huge to do, like, they're making a very big deal out of it. And they're like, remove it.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  They don't have pre-check, so we have to go through normal security for the first time, all throughout Australia.

• 50:38Speaker 05

  Who doesn't have pre-check?

• 50:39Speaker 04

  It's, they don't have it in Australia.

• 50:40Andrew Santino?

  No, no, they don't do it over in Australia. There is no, there is no, you're in general admission, and also, you're an American, so you're getting in line with other fuckhead Americans.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, it's a nightmare.

• 50:48Andrew Santino?

  So forever and ever and ever and ever and ever, and then.

• 50:49Speaker 05

  Wow, Sydney was a really nice place. I loved going to Melbourne. Their coffee was crazy.

• 50:55Andrew Santino?

  What about Perth? Have you heard of Perth?

• 50:57Speaker 05

  I hear it's the, the furthest, uh, most isolated major city in the world.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  It's a personal hellhole. I would never go back. Unless they paid me, unless they paid me nice.

• 51:07Andrew Santino?

  And they pay you nice, you will go back.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  I will go back and I will, I will retract that statement. I'll go back to that weird, sunken Kmart you have.

• 51:14Andrew Santino?

  Give me a midwesterner's idea of Australia.

• 51:16Speaker 05

  Oh, Australia is crazy. I hear the bugs are freaking huge down there. What, they come in there, they crawl into your freaking pants, make you have to take a crap.

• 51:26Speaker 05

  It's kinda like my aunt, kind of.

• 51:28Andrew Santino?

  Yeah. I hear you went down there to Australians.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:31Andrew Santino?

  What is, what do they do down there? You know the biggest problem with that is, if anything happens, you're so far from home. What are you gonna do? Get on an airplane? Your grandma dies. You're stuck in Australia. What do you, what? You get home, two days later, how many days behind are they?

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, and, and, and what are they gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna bury her up in the sky, cause it's all upside down around there?

• 51:55Andrew Santino?

  It's all upside down down there. When you flush your poop, does it float?

• 51:58Speaker 05

  Does it float? Be honest.

• 51:59Andrew Santino?

  Like NASA? Like NASA?

• 52:00Speaker 05

  You got NASA coming out of your ass? Oh, I'm bad, I'm bad.

• 52:05Andrew Santino?

  My favorite is like, the Midwest jokes that are like that, but they really believe it, like. No, no, the spiders are bigger than humans. Yeah, they're not.

• 52:13Speaker 05

  They're not.

• 52:13Andrew Santino?

  Yes, they are.

• 52:14Speaker 05

  They're just like, yes, they are, I saw it on a documentary.

• 52:17Andrew Santino?

  Oh, oh, on National Geographic, they had a whole piece about these spiders. They're always running out of breath. These spiders that are down there.

• 52:24Speaker 05

  There's, so my brother does a character called Chicago Dave, which is based off the 50/50 raffle guy at the Bulls game.

• 52:30Andrew Santino?

  Oh, love that guy.

• 52:31Speaker 05

  And he would always go, 50/50, gotta pay to play. Here you go, here's your chance. And it's always about like, you know, don't take this the wrong way, pal. You know, I have to go, I have to go drop the kids off the pool. Don't, be careful though, you know? And then there was, there was one guy at the game, for real, that he, there was like a Bulls game, this is like peak Derrick Rose era, where one, he hit a three and one guy turned to the guy like next to him that was in front of us and he went, "Gosh, I haven't seen the United Center this hot since Rodman was dating Madonna."

• 53:01Speaker 05

  And that's like, that's like, every time there's a good mood in the room or a good crowd, like we'll look at each other, I'm like, wow, really? It feels like Rodman and Madonna out here tonight. A little code word to each other.

• 53:11Andrew Santino?

  Rodman and Madonna, remember that when he was dating her?

• 53:15Andrew Santino?

  I always say Chicagoans all know, they, they, they all think everybody knows everybody.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  Oh, and, and.

• 53:19Andrew Santino?

  Remember Marcus's brother who used to, he used to work off of Pulaski?

• 53:23Speaker 05

  Was he the one that worked at Menards or was that his cousin?

• 53:25Andrew Santino?

  No, that's his cousin. His cousin worked at Menards. In fact, his sister was the store manager.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  They always keep going until they get out of breath.

• 53:32Andrew Santino?

  They got out of breath. It's unbelievable. I don't know why they're like tired, they, they just gotta get it all out.

• 53:36Speaker 05

  They tire themselves out.

• 53:36Andrew Santino?

  Oh yeah, he was at, uh.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  His, his, his sister went to, uh, Tulane.

• 53:41Andrew Santino?

  Did she go there?

• 53:42Speaker 05

  I think she did. She studied communicators.

• 53:44Andrew Santino?

  Oh yeah, her, you know what? Her, look, her nephew, he was playing the basketball at Nutrile.

• 53:50Speaker 05

  But when he was young and he played on those Nutrile teams, I'll tell you, he had a bad attitude.

• 53:54Andrew Santino?

  Bad attitude. Well, he said he'd get in the head, he'd get in the head, you know, fights with the coach.

• 53:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:58Andrew Santino?

  And coach would have to bench him. He'd be bitching the whole, whole time. And let me tell you something, you don't fight with your coach.

• 54:04Speaker 05

  No, especially if you don't want, if you're trying to get the snacks. He's getting none of those little rick crackers and Capri Sun, nothing at all when it's over.

• 54:10Andrew Santino?

  Anyway, so I took the kid to Lumenatis last night. They complained the whole time pizza takes too long to get there. I said, give it a minute.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  It didn't, it closed in time. Didn't have any, didn't have enough time to make it downtown, go to Garrett's, go to Portillo's. Couldn't even get myself a freaking rack of ribs. Barnelli's is shut. It's just a normal Portillo. So I gotta go back on the Dan Ryan.

• 54:29Andrew Santino?

  Dan Ryan.

• 54:30Speaker 05

  Dan Ryan.

• 54:31Andrew Santino?

  It's the greatest, it's the greatest cultural accent from a regional standpoint. There is nothing stronger. It's, there's nothing stronger. New York has a funny bit. You know, like when SNL does New York bits, I'm always like, eh, all right.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  I think it's, I, I think it's when you see her, when you hear a real Bronx guy, you're like, oh, you fucking rule.

• 54:46Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, that's different.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:47Andrew Santino?

  But, but no one really characterizes it that, that well because there's so much like, um, there's like guttural vigor inside of those New York accents, but Chicago, I don't care who it is, it sounds funny.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  Always.

• 55:00Andrew Santino?

  Even the most like, even someone that works at the Mercantile Exchange downtown, some like, but he's still got this accent, you know, that's your dad.

• 55:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:08Andrew Santino?

  He's still gotta have that like deep Chicago accent.

• 55:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:11Andrew Santino?

  My dad says Chicago too, which is weird. Chicago.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  We have Chicago, Chicago.

• 55:16Andrew Santino?

  Chicago or Chicago.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Coffee, coffee.

• 55:18Andrew Santino?

  I met a friend of a friend who called it, who called it MILFago.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  MILFago?

• 55:22Andrew Santino?

  MILFago. He goes, the amount of MILFs we went there. It was unbelievable. These guys, these east coast guys were like, we went to Chicago, biggest MILF city in the world. And I thought, that could be true.

• 55:29Speaker 05

  Hey, that's my mother you're talking about, all right? You better watch yourself, pal.

• 55:33Andrew Santino?

  Better watch your tone.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  You better watch your tone. I'll send ya. I also, I think like, this is also just the fun part is like,

• 55:41Speaker 05

  I love hearing any, anyone speak English in any accent.

• 55:45Andrew Santino?

  Me too.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  And especially in, in, like, to me, I speak the littlest bit of Norwegian that Vigo has taught me.

• 55:51Andrew Santino?

  Can you give me some?

• 55:52Speaker 05

  But it's so stupid, like, "Jag är en vampir, men jag suckar blod."

• 55:55Andrew Santino?

  What is that just?

• 55:56Speaker 05

  "I'm not a vampire, but I suck blood." And so to me, how I am talking in the Norwegian, it's a sound like this in Norwegian. And it's like, yeah, it's just funny if I was speaking like this and someone heard that.

• 56:09Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  And with London, the UK, we have a great relationship, me and the UK, because they love, they love to make fun of me. I love to make fun of them, but I love them, and I think they love me.

• 56:20Andrew Santino?

  I know they love you.

• 56:20Speaker 05

  I, I love them there, and it's like, I, I just, every time I hear it, I feel bad because I mimic, I don't know if you do too, but I mimic accents a lot, all the time.

• 56:29Andrew Santino?

  I find myself when I go to France, I go, "Pardon, why am I saying that?"

• 56:32Speaker 05

  Truly.

• 56:33Andrew Santino?

  I don't need to do that.

• 56:33Speaker 05

  Dude, you know what the worst is? Is when I'm in Lon, when I'm in London too much, I get this little thing a little bit.

• 56:37Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, you ride a, yeah.

• 56:38Speaker 05

  And then I come back here and I just, I'm like a fucking wank job, and I'm saying words, like, I said advert the other day instead of advertisement or ad, and everyone's like, "Oh, Mr. European." And I'm like, man, fuck you. Yeah, actually, yeah, I live there.

• 56:50Andrew Santino?

  Advert does sound significantly better.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  I know.

• 56:52Andrew Santino?

  But certain things throw me off that I don't know how to get around it, when they're the creators of the language, but when they say, when we go like, "Oh, you went to the hospital," they go, "He went to hospital."

• 57:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:02Andrew Santino?

  You're like, "You're missing a..."

• 57:03Speaker 05

  I know.

• 57:04Andrew Santino?

  A proverb.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  And it sucks because I've got, I've got some of those now, and then I've, my English has only deteriorated over the last like 10 years.

• 57:10Andrew Santino?

  Well, because you're playing so much.

• 57:11Speaker 05

  I'm, and I'm-

• 57:12Andrew Santino?

  Who, what is your actual language? Who are you? Do, do, push in slowly, push in slowly and add some music. Push in slowly and add some music.

• 57:21Speaker 05

  I guess if I had to take one little pick, I guess I'd probably be like one of those like fatheads that you blew up and put on the old convenience stores of like, you know, Dick Butkus or-

• 57:32Andrew Santino?

  Fanhead. Have you ever been in their basement? You see how many autographs his dad got?

• 57:36Speaker 05

  See this? See this right here?

• 57:38Andrew Santino?

  Right here.

• 57:39Speaker 05

  This is Ted Lilly. He threw for the Cubs a few years.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  Lefty, southpaw, had a hook.

• 57:45Andrew Santino?

  His brother-in-law, he was a State Farm agent. And he insured, they did our insurance, one of those insurance things, you know who spoke at those? Tim Raines from the White Sacks, Tim the Rock Raines, did a whole thing for them. And that's how he mottled.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  And don't even get me on that Frank Thomas guy. I started that hair treatment, I saw him on those freaking billboards. I mean, he was as bald as a baby's bottom his whole life.

• 58:06Andrew Santino?

  Yes, he sure was.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  And now he's got a whole freaking rainforest. I say, put him in Amazon, they'll breed better, you know?

• 58:14Speaker 05

  But it's like, I can do these forever.

• 58:16Andrew Santino?

  It's so much fun.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  In here, we pour whiskey.

• 58:20Andrew Santino?

  How are my Shady Rays basically the same quality as the $200 sunglasses I used to buy? I don't know why I had that accent, but I love it. Shady Rays, I want to say it like that. I'm not exaggerating. These feel everybody's premium, it's the expensive brands that I've owned before. But I ain't stressing about these, baby, okay? No big deal. I take them outside, I give them to a friend, you rock them, alright? Or if I lose them, I leave them, like in a bar, I've left a couple of sunglasses inside a little watering hole. I've had a couple of pops. You drop them in the ocean, you knock them over, you give them to a buddy, you lose them, it's fine. Lost or broken, they send you a new pair with their lost and broken protection. It's incredible. They got 300,000 5-star reviews. Shady Rays is it. No matter what your vibe is, they got it on there. They have a ton of different kinds.

• 59:03Andrew Santino?

  If you're outside, you're on the water, in the sun, at a bar, or just chilling at a friend's house and you forgot it over there. Get shades that actually perform. You gotta do yourself a favor, go to shady rays.com, grab a pair today. That's shady rays.com. Grab yourself a pair. We've teamed up with Shady Rays to bring an exclusive offer. Head to shady rays.com and use the code GINGER for 50% off two or more pairs of polarized shades. Try for yourself the shades rated 5 stars by over 300,000 people.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  Ginger. I like gingers.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  We've been playing, again, shout out to my other friend Kyle Legacy, me and my brother and Vigo have been hanging out a lot lately. And we've been, we were just playing some bullshit video game and we were doing it as our friend Kyle. He's a fucking guy from Liverpool, he's a fucking Scouser. He's like, oh, put in the fucking net, I'm right here, here we go. And just like doing this all day long. And just do him, and then eventually yesterday, I feel like I hit a point of mania where I was like, guys, I need to like step outside for a second. I've like, I've like jumbled my brain so far.

• 59:59Andrew Santino?

  You think you might be that?

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 1:00:01Andrew Santino?

  You're like, am I masquerading? Is who I used to be?

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 1:00:04Andrew Santino?

  Or am I still this?

• 1:00:04Speaker 05

  Even in the UK, I'm always like, "Oh, a bar, that one."

• 1:00:07Andrew Santino?

  A bar, you are a bar.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  Oh, go on, lads, here we are.

• 1:00:09Andrew Santino?

  Go on, lads!

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  And we're, whoop, here we go.

• 1:00:12Andrew Santino?

  Alright, mate. I do love alright. Alright, mate.

• 1:00:14Speaker 05

  Alright, mate.

• 1:00:14Andrew Santino?

  Alright is the greatest phrase. Alright, now, mate, you're right. Alright is such a beautiful way of saying hello.

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:00:21Andrew Santino?

  Because we do the bullshit. What do we say all the time?

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  How are you?

• 1:00:23Andrew Santino?

  How are you?

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, shut up.

• 1:00:25Andrew Santino?

  And then this thing, this whole like, "Thank you for asking."

• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:27Andrew Santino?

  Which is also, it did not, we don't mean either side of that.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  Not at all. I want to get in there and be like, "What up, bitch?"

• 1:00:34Speaker 05

  That's all I want to say.

• 1:00:35Andrew Santino?

  That's what we really want to say.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  That's it, all the time.

• 1:00:37Andrew Santino?

  Which is what, alright, mate, alright, mate is almost like saying, "Get fucked, nerd, what's going on?"

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I see every, I was like, "Oh, and go on, geez, he's a well, he's a well proper cunt, innit?"

• 1:00:45Andrew Santino?

  Fucking fat old cunt.

• 1:00:46Speaker 05

  I love that shit. And then, and then, I get, but like, we, we say with our crew, because you know, we lived like strategically nomadic, which is like the nice way of saying homeless, for a while, but you know.

• 1:00:55Andrew Santino?

  Without home.

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, without, we were without home. We were without roof. But that, you know, I think that's actually unfair to people who don't, because we were being led into places and if, you know, worst case.

• 1:01:04Andrew Santino?

  You just moved seamlessly through time. You were just living, eh, as an artist.

• 1:01:08Speaker 05

  I was kind of just skirting through the world.

• 1:01:09Andrew Santino?

  Skirting, where is your permanent residence then?

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  Uh.

• 1:01:12Andrew Santino?

  Technically.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Is the government going to listen to this, or?

• 1:01:14Andrew Santino?

  No.

• 1:01:14Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah. Um, uh, uh, some random S corp in Delaware?

• 1:01:18Andrew Santino?

  Good.

• 1:01:19Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 1:01:19Andrew Santino?

  Smart, smart.

• 1:01:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I, eh.

• 1:01:21Andrew Santino?

  I've been living in Montana for quite a while.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  Hmm, I'm visiting Los Angeles, actually. I don't live here, though. That's why my car's not registered here, allegedly. I've said too much. I know, I know a lawyer.

• 1:01:33Andrew Santino?

  My cousin's an attorney.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  My cousin's an attorney. Now, he doesn't practice no more, but he knows a lot of good people coming up.

• 1:01:38Andrew Santino?

  Francis, oh, Francis Teracy. Do you remember that?

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  Of course, of course I remember. Lawyer, attorney of Francis Teracy. There, there, that one, there was, I mean, Menards was like always a classic.

• 1:01:47Andrew Santino?

  Say big money at Menards.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  Today!

• 1:01:50Andrew Santino?

  So good. Why was the today so necessary?

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  We also, every time I do the Chicago shows, we use that as a hotkey. And I'll bring up Menards and then nobody will do it. I'm like, "I'm sorry, is no one from this fucking city?" Like, I'll do some stuff.

• 1:02:01Andrew Santino?

  People don't catch that?

• 1:02:01Speaker 05

  Some of them don't. I think there's more transplants there than, than, than there aren't anymore.

• 1:02:06Andrew Santino?

  How about this one? This might be before your time, though.

• 1:02:10Andrew Santino?

  Oh no, what was that? It must be Eagle Man. I've got something for you.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  I do remember Eagle Man.

• 1:02:16Andrew Santino?

  And a big bird would shit a fucking, uh, uh, he would shit an egg on their car and she goes, "Oh wow, look at those low rates." That's one of my favorite, "It must be Eagle Man."

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 1:02:25Andrew Santino?

  Or, "That old car's worth money." He pulls the car door off of Victory Auto Records. That was our Chicago-style softball team when I started. I, I was in a 16-inch no glove here in LA and we started, uh, everyone had team names, you know, there was like the Red Line or like the Dick of, Dick of Dogs or whatever.

• 1:02:39Speaker 05

  That's awesome.

• 1:02:39Andrew Santino?

  And we were Victory Auto Records, one of the greatest, uh, one of the greatest auto body shop cities. Oh my god, sorry.

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  Dude, Francis Jurecy is un-

• 1:02:45Andrew Santino?

  Peter Francis Jurecy.

• 1:02:46Speaker 05

  Peter Francis Jurecy, that is like fully opening a little crack in my brain, like now I'm thinking of like Poolerama on 41 North, like, I'm like, well yeah, you gotta get your place at from there if you're gonna get one.

• 1:02:56Andrew Santino?

  If you're gonna get one, you gotta get it from up there.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  You gotta go to Poolerama, they just, they, they just do it better up there, the wood is stained real nice. But like this is, I mean, this is also all we do.

• 1:03:05Andrew Santino?

  Bringing me back, yeah.

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  All day long, just fucking around.

• 1:03:08Andrew Santino?

  Then it, then it, then it influences other stuff, like is that kinda started, was that the beginning of Jack? Like did Jack birth from this kind of goofing thing, talking goofing into something?

• 1:03:18Speaker 05

  So yeah, so I mean, we've been talking and goo- I think I feel confident that I've been talking and goofing in a way that has led to this, maybe for about 10 years.

• 1:03:26Andrew Santino?

  With friends.

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  With friends, with, with specifically, like I was always a prankster and a jokester and I loved it, I wasn't funny at all. But like, I, I like loved it. And then at clown school, I was funny twice in the two years, once by accident, once kind of on purpose. Ask, and, uh, trust me, ask anybody that I went to school with, I was not, I was well-liked and I was enthusiastic.

• 1:03:47Andrew Santino?

  You just didn't, you didn't find it there.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  I was also 20, you know, I was 20 to 22 and I went, I was, I was a baby. Um, and I, and then Philippe would always say to me like, "You'll get it, like it'll come in 10 years." It'll come in 10 years.

• 1:03:58Andrew Santino?

  He was right, huh?

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  And he was right.

• 1:03:59Andrew Santino?

  God, he was right.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  Here I am now. $20,000, no savings, no debt. Car that doesn't work. And, um, an apartment that you, it looks more like a trap house than it does a home. But in a way, the trap house is my home.

• 1:04:15Speaker 05

  You're sounding like Gucci Man over there. Is it Radrick Davis?

• 1:04:18Andrew Santino?

  Who's that, Young Thug?

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, Young Thug, I love that guy.

• 1:04:21Andrew Santino?

  Who'd you go see at Coachella?

• 1:04:23Speaker 05

  Young Thug, is he allowed to do that after his Rico case? Is that Thunder? Or is that a bomb? I don't know.

• 1:04:30Andrew Santino?

  That was creepily loud.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  It's still happening, right? Probably a truck.

• 1:04:36Andrew Santino?

  So, it sounded like an accident.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Andrew Santino?

  For people at home, we just heard a wild noise outside.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sounded like really loud thunder.

• 1:04:44Andrew Santino?

  No, but it was not, that's definitely not thunder. That had to have been something broke, bang, crash, big boom. This kinda happened, by the way, you're gonna be on the internet trying to look for what it might have been, as if it could go up within seconds of it happening.

• 1:04:53Speaker 05

  I feel like maybe. Well, I just looked at the, I'm looking at the weather.

• 1:04:55Andrew Santino?

  Well, we were going, it's not raining, is it?

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:04:57Andrew Santino?

  We were going, I was just back in Chicago and we were driving and of course, like, genuinely, right off 55 was like a massive fire, massive. And my mom's like, "Check to see online what the fire is." I'm like, "It's happening right now." Like, I don't know who's on Twitter, like, also fighting the fire on Twitter, being like, "Check this out, dude."

• 1:05:16Speaker 05

  Check this out, guys.

• 1:05:17Andrew Santino?

  Fucking sick. But that is the new world.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  But people do that.

• 1:05:19Andrew Santino?

  Like that guy in Ontario that lit the warehouse on fire.

• 1:05:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, or even...

• 1:05:23Andrew Santino?

  That was insane. He filmed it.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Dude, well, what about also the people in, there was in Switzerland on New Year's, they had like the ski loft that like lit fire, because there was like a bottle service that lit a whole thing and then people were trapped.

• 1:05:32Andrew Santino?

  Oh my god.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  Like 50 people died, maybe even more, and...

• 1:05:36Andrew Santino?

  A bottle service person did it?

• 1:05:37Speaker 05

  It was like someone getting it and they like held it up, they held up like a sparkler too high, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, 41 people died. 41 people.

• 1:05:43Andrew Santino?

  What?

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  115 non-fatal injuries. Yeah, and it was like, and it was like a resort, and then there was people just on the other side of the glass, filming being like, "Yo, what the fuck?" And like not telling anyone, and I'm like, "Dude, smash a goddamn window, like..."

• 1:05:56Andrew Santino?

  There it is again.

• 1:05:59Andrew Santino?

  That's thunder? I'm blown, my mind is blown.

• 1:06:02Speaker 05

  Is someone moving something upstairs?

• 1:06:03Andrew Santino?

  No. Everyone's, this is like a post house upstairs.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  Oh my god. Should I stick my head outside?

• 1:06:08Andrew Santino?

  No, it's kinda fun.

• 1:06:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I kinda like, imagine there's, we're just being bombed right now. Yeah, it's war.

• 1:06:12Andrew Santino?

  More like, anyway, so, uh, more Chicago access.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  Chicago, Tucker, all this stuff, yeah, yeah. Wow, it reminds me of D-Day.

• 1:06:19Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, kind of, little bit, sorta. Stir up the boats.

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  We're, we're, boys, we're sailing from Lake Michigan all the way to the Pacific.

• 1:06:30Speaker 05

  Okay, what's your favorite Great Lake?

• 1:06:32Andrew Santino?

  Well, I mean, Michigan is an easy one to say. I mean, Superior is gonna be the one that people talk about the most.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Because of the name.

• 1:06:38Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, but...

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, why? Because it's the best?

• 1:06:39Andrew Santino?

  No, it's literally not. Michigan is the best, and you know that. This kid's from Minnesota, so he thinks he's got any sort of reverence. By the way, you're lucky you're in the Midwest. You're too far west for us to even consider you the Midwest.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  And too far north to barely not even be Canadian.

• 1:06:49Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, so honestly, you're not really one of us, but we'll let you have it.

• 1:06:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, hey, fuck you, man. Go check out what that is also.

• 1:06:55Andrew Santino?

  We let him have it the way we let Ohio have it, where we're like, "Yeah, okay," because you're not the East Coast.

• 1:07:00Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:00Andrew Santino?

  Although you are on the Eastern time zone.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:07:03Andrew Santino?

  That's my biggest annoyance about them. Half of it's an Eastern time zone, and you're like, "Well, this doesn't make sense."

• 1:07:06Speaker 05

  At all.

• 1:07:07Andrew Santino?

  You're not one of us then.

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  Just choose. Just make a pick.

• 1:07:09Andrew Santino?

  Pick. Well, here's the problem. We won't draft them.

• 1:07:11Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:11Andrew Santino?

  So we have to kind of hold on to them, yeah.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't want to lose them for numbers, but it's like, "I don't want Ohio."

• 1:07:16Andrew Santino?

  We don't need it.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  But like, you can't take it from me.

• 1:07:18Andrew Santino?

  Indiana's an old friend, and Missouri is a buddy, and Iowa, of course, is where everyone goes to college that's from Chicago.

• 1:07:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:26Andrew Santino?

  Go Hackeyes!

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  Go Hackeyes, yeah, we'll find out there.

• 1:07:28Andrew Santino?

  And Wisconsin is the greatest secret in the Midwest. I will say that. It's the greatest kept secret in the Midwest.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  Do you know where a lot of my childhood memories took place?

• 1:07:34Andrew Santino?

  Uh, at Lake Delano. I mean, I'm sorry, at the Dells.

• 1:07:36Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:07:37Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, the Dells, Wisconsin Dells.

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  The Wisconsin Dells, yeah, boy.

• 1:07:39Andrew Santino?

  Wisconsin Dells.

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  The Kalahari.

• 1:07:40Andrew Santino?

  Kalahari.

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Kalahari, yeah, they got the freaking waters, like, that shoots you up.

• 1:07:43Andrew Santino?

  Oh, it's crazy how fast. You know how fast you can go on it? They'll make up numbers, but everyone will buy it. They go, "I heard that thing goes 88, 88 and a half miles an hour." And they go, "88? Holy shit."

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  That's 20 more than the freaking highways.

• 1:07:54Andrew Santino?

  It's fast!

• 1:07:55Speaker 05

  Wait, also, what's up, okay, what's up with our 55 mile an hour speed limit highways?

• 1:08:00Andrew Santino?

  Do Taro Carlson's version of that, real quick.

• 1:08:04Speaker 05

  What does he do again? He's like...

• 1:08:05Andrew Santino?

  He says, the phrase he says is...

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  He's like, "What's going on here?" "What's going on here?" In California, liberals, liberal zone, you can go 65, but you can kind of, almost unpolitically, go 85. But in the Midwest, get this, in the Midwest, 55, cops all over, ready to get you, because it's a family zone. Anyways, I'm here with Kim Jong-un.

• 1:08:30Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, you are correct though. The speed limit in Southern California is as fast as you can go.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  As fast as you can go as long as no one sees you.

• 1:08:38Andrew Santino?

  As long as nobody gets you. And by the way, I've had CHP pass me before on the freeway and I'm definitely speeding.

• 1:08:43Speaker 05

  And they're going.

• 1:08:44Andrew Santino?

  And they fly past me because they've got other shit to worry about.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  Always.

• 1:08:47Andrew Santino?

  But in the Midwest, you're right. You have 55, a law we can live with. My dad says that all the time.

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  A law we.

• 1:08:51Andrew Santino?

  55, it's a law we can live with.

• 1:08:53Speaker 05

  Is that not, in a nutshell, the most, like, that is Chicago Midwest spirit?

• 1:08:58Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 05

  It's just a law we can live with. Don't need to press it.

• 1:09:00Andrew Santino?

  And honestly, how fast do you need to get there? Because I read an article in the Trib. They said if you go 10 miles an hour over the speed limit, you only save yourself about a minute and a half.

• 1:09:09Speaker 05

  And on top of that, as well, I hear you go too fast, your brain, your neurons don't fire so out.

• 1:09:13Andrew Santino?

  You're not firing normal, so you're gonna miss stuff that's happening around you. Somebody's merging.

• 1:09:18Speaker 05

  And God forbid they don't put on a freaking blinker.

• 1:09:20Andrew Santino?

  What, they're not blinking? This guy, how is he driving like a dope?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  And it's also, well, this is the difference.

• 1:09:26Andrew Santino?

  That's my dope.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Dope is a good.

• 1:09:27Andrew Santino?

  He's driving like a dope.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  That's, this, you are unlocking every dad that I grew up with in such a wonderful way. Cause my dad, my dad's from New York. I almost said the New York.

• 1:09:38Andrew Santino?

  He's from the New York.

• 1:09:39Speaker 05

  I almost reversed European to him.

• 1:09:41Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, he's from the New York.

• 1:09:42Speaker 05

  He's from Hospital, New York.

• 1:09:42Andrew Santino?

  Hospital, New York.

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. So he's, he's a New York guy who's been in Chicagoland area now for, you know.

• 1:09:47Andrew Santino?

  His, most of his life?

• 1:09:48Speaker 05

  Um, I think now it's about half and half.

• 1:09:51Andrew Santino?

  Wow.

• 1:09:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe a little over half.

• 1:09:52Andrew Santino?

  Does he have a New York accent?

• 1:09:53Speaker 05

  Um, no, he kind of is like dead neutral.

• 1:09:57Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 05

  He's like dead neutral American. He used to have more of a New York accent. He doesn't ever get Chicago, but I think when he's around New York people more, it'll.

• 1:10:05Andrew Santino?

  It pops out.

• 1:10:06Speaker 05

  Pops out a ton.

• 1:10:06Andrew Santino?

  That happens when I go back to Chicago and it naturally starts to come out. Certain words.

• 1:10:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:10Andrew Santino?

  I think I'm pretty good, I'm pretty broadcast English at this point, but I do have certain words that will pop out that I hear myself say.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Like ketchup, potato farm.

• 1:10:18Andrew Santino?

  Potatoes, potato. Or if I say like, uh, back. I will say A sometimes, more so than not. Yeah, back.

• 1:10:25Speaker 05

  Back, or others in egg. I'm gonna have an egg sandwich from Sarkis.

• 1:10:29Andrew Santino?

  Egg sam.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  Egg sandwich.

• 1:10:31Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, no, I think you'll find it in stuff even more. But that, the accent does something to my youth, cuz it's, uh, yeah, the fifty-five a lot we can live with, sounds like everything Chicago really is.

• 1:10:41Speaker 05

  Everything.

• 1:10:42Andrew Santino?

  Don't worry about it.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  Don't worry, it's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. But Chicago used to be like, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm a little biased, I don't mean at all to shit on the city. I think, you know, when I left, that part of my life was over.

• 1:10:55Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:55Speaker 05

  So I don't love to go back. I love to see my family and I like to see my mom and dad, and they're not together anymore, but they, I like to go. Of course. And so that's part of it, probably, I don't wanna go there for those reasons. But on top of that, like, I just, I don't know, I didn't.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  I'd rather go to Paris, or London, or New York.

• 1:11:14Andrew Santino?

  Going home doesn't do the same thing to you.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  No, but I imagine if I wasn't from Chicago and I went to visit, I would think it fucking rocked.

• 1:11:19Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, I agree, but it, it, Chicago rules, but it is different now than what I felt like it. Everything is different now than it was, and it's such a cliche nonsensical thing because of COVID, it did that to everywhere, but some cities managed to bounce back in a way that, that. New York is the same.

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  Better than ever.

• 1:11:35Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, it feels better than ever, it stinks, it bums me out.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  I was just there last week and I was like, God, it fucking.

• 1:11:40Andrew Santino?

  They're back, yeah, New York is back.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  And they know it.

• 1:11:42Andrew Santino?

  Changed, it's different. I mean, and I don't live there anymore, so I don't know, but every time I go back, it doesn't feel like it used to.

• 1:11:47Speaker 05

  It doesn't feel like, it doesn't feel like the place that was like the birthplace of like gritty, fun jazz music, or like, or blues, or like, or even any good hip-hop. I'm like, I can't name a good Chicago rapper that's come out in the last ten.

• 1:12:00Andrew Santino?

  I know, I'm not really in tune with enough of it, he might know better than I do, but I think.

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  Cuz I'm like, who was, we hung our hats on Chance and then he, ooh, I loved my wife his way out of his own career. Saba's pretty good. Yeah. Saba, but he also was dropping.

• 1:12:12Andrew Santino?

  But then we had this big, then we had this big influx of rappers, uh, flying in the danger zone, who end up getting murdered, or going away, or.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  Uh, I guess you had Dirk and like.

• 1:12:20Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, but there's such a dangerous point in Chicago rap where you're like, this is all murder-based, this is bad, this is like not a good.

• 1:12:27Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:12:28Andrew Santino?

  I don't know, it's almost like the glorification of gangster rap from when I was a kid was so incredible cuz it was an answer to a time, that's what it was. But it only got very real when they actually started dying.

• 1:12:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Andrew Santino?

  But in. In Chicago, rappers were like going into it, ready to die.

• 1:12:45Speaker 05

  Ready to die.

• 1:12:46Andrew Santino?

  It wasn't like a, it wasn't a great arc, story arc, it was like, we will shoot and kill and...

• 1:12:51Speaker 05

  That's why I feel, to me, I mean, I, I listen to, I listen to a lot of music, but I listen definitely most to hip-hop.

• 1:12:57Andrew Santino?

  Me too.

• 1:12:58Speaker 05

  R&B and rap, and like, to me, it is the music of the people, it is the music of the streets, and I don't, I, I think some people, obviously, are like, you know, the way that online, you can have some creators that are making absolute dogshit, and some that are making amazing stuff. And you, it's just how you look at it, you can't generalize all of it, but I, I think a lot of them, it was like, this was just their way to express the way that they're living, and there was others that were like, "Oh no, I'm still fucking around, and I'm still gonna keep doing this," and it's like, or the people like the Tekashi 69s, who are like, trying to do this, and you're just actually making everyone's lives worse, and you're like, "Man, get the fuck out of here," like...

• 1:13:32Andrew Santino?

  It's, that is an incredible, uh, uh, a performative, i- i- i- it's-

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 1:13:38Andrew Santino?

  It's kind of a case study for success in, in, in the entertainment industry, that you're like-

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  In this era.

• 1:13:42Andrew Santino?

  You can kind of manufacture everything, and also-

• 1:13:45Speaker 05

  He also, just as a Latino guy, just says the N-word all the time, and everyone's like, "Okay, I guess he does," and you're like...

• 1:13:51Andrew Santino?

  But he's kind of like self, he's self-admittedly manufactured, right? He like, he admits that like, he wasn't involved in that stuff, didn't want to be, it was all fake, and they still kind of-

• 1:13:59Speaker 05

  But then still talks, he's like, "I got shooters, I got bangers," all this shit, then gets his ass kicked all the time, and then soothes people.

• 1:14:04Andrew Santino?

  But it still works, because obviously, somebody's buying it, it's happening, right?

• 1:14:06Speaker 05

  But I'm, I, I think he's, I, there's no way he's got like, there's, I don't know anyone who's like, "Let me throw on that Tekashi."

• 1:14:13Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, but that's because of who you surround yourself with, I guarantee you, people are.

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Well, I'm hanging out with a lot of like, furries, and-

• 1:14:22Andrew Santino?

  I, I do, I do, we did on, uh, well, I, I feel like I shouldn't talk about it, on the Bad Game Show, I don't want to give anything away. I don't want to give anything away, but I should say that you make a wonderful guest appearance on the Bad Game Show, I don't want to give anything away, because-

• 1:14:34Speaker 05

  I have the time of my life.

• 1:14:35Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, it's so, it's so annoying, because I want to talk about it, but for the fans out there-

• 1:14:38Speaker 05

  It was fun, because I feel like, we, that was the first time we ever met in person.

• 1:14:41Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:42Speaker 05

  But we had been chatting a bit.

• 1:14:43Andrew Santino?

  We'd only been crushing each other online.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  I was loving it.

• 1:14:44Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:14:45Speaker 05

  And then, and then, and then I had, I didn't tell Bobby this, but I, I had met Bobby, he would never remember, 15 years ago, I used to intern at UCB. And he came and he came through and was like doing a stand up set and I was like, this is so cool, like, oh my god, it's Bobby. And then, when I, I, I felt like he was on board with me being there, but I felt, it wasn't until the bit where I was like, okay, he loves me now, I'm in.

• 1:15:03Andrew Santino?

  With Bobby, you have to prove your love.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:05Andrew Santino?

  Uh, and by the way, and he is extremely love, he loves heavy, if you prove your way in. He's not as open and accepting right away, he's very skeptical of people, but not in a negative way.

• 1:15:15Speaker 05

  Which I understand, people want shit from him all the time, so I get it, and, and I'm like, hey man, I'm not trying to get anything, even with us, like, I sent you a message to even do these with you, or I'm like, hey, I just, I feel like we would really get along, I think it'd be a lot of fun, it's okay if it doesn't happen, and I feel like with Bobby, I'm like, yo man, I'm not trying to get anything from you, I just feel like we're gonna fuck around really hard together and we're gonna make each other laugh.

• 1:15:34Andrew Santino?

  He had so much fun with you guys.

• 1:15:36Speaker 05

  I was dying, dude.

• 1:15:37Andrew Santino?

  I had tears in my eyes, I unfortunately couldn't even get through the bit, I was really, it was really hard, sometimes, you know, sometimes I'm so like, uh, uh, overly conscious of not breaking, right? We try really hard to just not break in a lot of different ways, but sometimes, um, it's, it's just, it's so hard to not break and you think, I guess I should just break and then keep it that way.

• 1:15:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:59Andrew Santino?

  Because I can't, I can't dance on both sides, so once I cracked, it was over, I had to let it go, I, I couldn't, I was like, I'm never gonna be able to go backwards, you can't.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  No, and to me, I'm also like, I don't know, it's, there's a difference between laughing at your own jokes and somebody making you make, make you laugh.

• 1:16:13Andrew Santino?

  That was killing me, dude.

• 1:16:14Speaker 05

  And, and that, to me, I love like, I love on Stamp Town when people are cracking me the fuck up, like, yeah, it's my dream, I'm surrounded with all of my friends who I think are the funniest people in the world.

• 1:16:23Andrew Santino?

  Having fun.

• 1:16:24Speaker 05

  Having a blast, what, what, what else do you want, like?

• 1:16:27Andrew Santino?

  When you, when you, when you have a great rhythm with, uh, I don't know how you know how to say it, who, he who does sound for you.

• 1:16:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Andrew Santino?

  You know, your art director, what is it?

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Our side, it's, we're just a sound guy, but it's so much more than that, we, we always joke saying Button Man.

• 1:16:43Andrew Santino?

  Button Man.

• 1:16:44Speaker 05

  Cause it sounds so, um, it sounds like so dismissive, yeah, Mort Button Man.

• 1:16:48Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:48Speaker 05

  We were thinking, okay, what about this new character name, by the way, last night, we decided, and the name's Delicious, Delicious Never Malicious.

• 1:16:53Andrew Santino?

  Ooh.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Delicious, Delicious Never Malicious, I don't know how we got to him yesterday, but. Oh, I think I know. It's gonna be in our show later.

• 1:17:02Andrew Santino?

  I do. Don't say, don't give it away then.

• 1:17:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:17:03Andrew Santino?

  I like finding the new characters. We, we, we talked like when I, I tested for SNL and I came up with a terrible character that, um, almost all of my friends said, "Don't," and put into the tape. But I did it anyway because it was the most fun to do. Sometimes it's not the funniest, but I did, um, I like this list here, the side one.

• 1:17:19Speaker 05

  So good.

• 1:17:20Andrew Santino?

  It's one of my favorite this one. His name is, uh, Salami Sami, and I'm a sushi chef to the stars. He's a sushi chef to the stars.

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  Of course, please.

• 1:17:27Andrew Santino?

  And it's-

• 1:17:27Speaker 05

  I'm very few in speaking like this.

• 1:17:29Andrew Santino?

  You know, I'm very few in that. But, and then I wrote this entire script of every piece of sushi he cut up had an S in it somewhere.

• 1:17:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:17:35Andrew Santino?

  So it just layered through the whole bit, a ton of S's.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  That just shows your skill.

• 1:17:38Andrew Santino?

  But you know what they said when I went out to fucking New York when I went to test? They emailed, they were like, "No need to do the sushi chef bit." And I was like, "It's my favorite, it's the most fun one," but I didn't do it.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:17:49Andrew Santino?

  Because I, because they were like, "I don't think this is..." You know, on that show, they're always like, and we're not gonna talk about it, I'm just saying.

• 1:17:54Speaker 05

  We both, we talked about this.

• 1:17:55Andrew Santino?

  We did.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  We both have tested and we both have similar experiences.

• 1:17:58Andrew Santino?

  Yes, and they, they, they say you have to bring something that could most likely end up on the show. That's their, obviously, that's their business model. They want you to bring stuff that will probably, that could get on the show.

• 1:18:07Speaker 05

  It's so funny because I brought them, like, truthfully, some of, I did some of the funniest sets I've ever done in my life in those showcases, and I'd say zero of it could live on the show.

• 1:18:14Andrew Santino?

  Right.

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  But it-

• 1:18:16Andrew Santino?

  That's the problem.

• 1:18:16Speaker 05

  Undeniably, it was hilarious.

• 1:18:17Andrew Santino?

  It was funny.

• 1:18:18Speaker 05

  Dude, I can't believe, I told you, I threw in a last minute character. I got the call from God because I was doing well.

• 1:18:23Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 05

  And I was feeling good and I was like, "Fuck it, let's..." Like, all these were meticulously planned. I knew what I was doing.

• 1:18:28Andrew Santino?

  You practiced them.

• 1:18:28Speaker 05

  I practiced them and then I was like, "Let me throw in a wild card of one I've never done in a set. I've only ever filmed in a video with, uh, my comedy partners."

• 1:18:34Andrew Santino?

  Insanely fun.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  And then you did this driving.

• 1:18:36Andrew Santino?

  While you're on stage at 8H.

• 1:18:37Speaker 05

  Exactly. Lauren's there and I'm like, "Here we go," and then I could just, I told you, as soon as I did that, I felt the vibe change. As, you know, everyone loves Kieran Culkin at a birthday party and everyone loves Eminem forgetting about Dre, two things I never want to do. But God forbid I do Dennis Cleese be driving instructor. You let your hands out of the car like, like, like a clock, like a 10 to the 2. Look at this. It's like I'm driving by wrist. Whoa. Whoa, lah. Sorry, there's a bug in my throat. Lah. And I was just doing lah like over and over and over. Lah, it was stuck in my pizza. And I just, and I just kept doing this and it wasn't funny at all.

• 1:19:11Andrew Santino?

  Yes, it is.

• 1:19:11Speaker 05

  But in, and then I wish I could have zoomed out in that context and been like, "Guys..." You might not be laughing at this, but like, isn't that so funny?

• 1:19:20Andrew Santino?

  It is so funny.

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  This is what's happening right now?

• 1:19:21Andrew Santino?

  It's almost like a call for you to go, you stop for a second and go, "Guys, I'm just kidding around."

• 1:19:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm just, I'm just having some fun.

• 1:19:26Andrew Santino?

  You just tell them, "Guys, I'm just joshing up here."

• 1:19:28Speaker 05

  Well, that's, that's the beauty about Tucker is I think I really, like, my, my, my really good friend Tom, who I've just, uh, I've mentioned a few times, Tom said that Tucker was the perfect case for me, that it, it, um, for, it frames all of my sicknesses as superpowers.

• 1:19:42Andrew Santino?

  Ah, yes.

• 1:19:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Andrew Santino?

  Like, like your illiteracy and your, like-

• 1:19:46Speaker 05

  My, my racism, sexism, uh, that's really a bit homophobic. No, no, I like to show that off as well.

• 1:19:53Andrew Santino?

  Tucker's quite classist.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  Tucker's very classist. He hates, he couldn't finish first grade, he hates his classes. He hates that stuff.

• 1:20:00Andrew Santino?

  Oh, man, dude.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  Oh, my god, yeah.

• 1:20:01Andrew Santino?

  It's such a great character, and honestly-

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  It's so fun, man.

• 1:20:04Andrew Santino?

  I, I love watching you. And also, you tape, you, you taped the special, you, you premiered the special a week ago.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:20:12Andrew Santino?

  Right?

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, about, um-

• 1:20:14Andrew Santino?

  About like five days ago?

• 1:20:15Speaker 05

  No, like, five days ago, yeah, Jesus.

• 1:20:17Andrew Santino?

  When are we airing?

• 1:20:18Speaker 05

  Hopefully, in the next week. I think we're aiming for a 4/20 release. To go Epic Weed Day, so everyone can smoke some weed and watch their favorite little comedian.

• 1:20:25Andrew Santino?

  Smoke some weed, watch your favorite comedian.

• 1:20:28Speaker 05

  Smoking weed all the time and day.

• 1:20:31Andrew Santino?

  All the time and the day. Where, so, it's, you don't know when, when it's gonna premiere?

• 1:20:35Speaker 05

  I'm not entirely, we're, we're like going through the final mixes right now, we just had, because we're like prepping for this Netflix special.

• 1:20:40Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:40Speaker 05

  And hopefully that one is awesome and the idea-

• 1:20:43Andrew Santino?

  It's gonna be awesome, dude.

• 1:20:43Speaker 05

  Oh, man. I want, there's, there's stuff, after, after we did, uh, your guys' show the other week, me and Corey were like, "We gotta come up with something with the two of you guys," because again, you would both be so good on the show.

• 1:20:53Andrew Santino?

  Say less, dude. You make the call and I'll come do it, whatever it is. I'm always, I, I wanna play, I wanna play.

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  So I'm thinking of a character for you called Black Andrew.

• 1:21:02Andrew Santino?

  You think I haven't done that? I go to 8H, I'm like, "Hi, Lorne Michaels, uh, my name is Andrew Santino, first up, Black Andrew." I turn around and just rubbing charcoal on my face.

• 1:21:11Speaker 05

  No, no, no!

• 1:21:12Andrew Santino?

  No, no, he's doing it!

• 1:21:13Speaker 05

  We've always wanted, we wanted to-

• 1:21:14Andrew Santino?

  And Colin Jost would be like, "Yes, here it is. You see that, Jay?"

• 1:21:21Andrew Santino?

  You make the call, we'll come by.

• 1:21:22Speaker 05

  I gotta say, I love the two of theirs chemistry. I don't know, I don't know if we need to talk about SNL on this podcast.

• 1:21:26Andrew Santino?

  No, but they're great.

• 1:21:27Speaker 05

  I do love the two of them.

• 1:21:28Andrew Santino?

  What do you mean? It's one of the best.

• 1:21:29Speaker 05

  That's, again, it's just you find your buddy that you just fuck around with and they love, like, that's the thing. They love to put each other in the shit and they both know it's safe to do that, cause it's like, of course. I think when people on the internet project this like nastiness, a- and then this... They put the nastiness on to you, which makes you feel like you can't take risks to try stuff. It's like, people go, "Oh, cause you wanna be an edgelord?" And it's like, "No dude, I'm not trying to cause any pain to anybody."

• 1:21:53Andrew Santino?

  No.

• 1:21:53Speaker 05

  I'm just trying to say something fucked and funny.

• 1:21:55Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Speaker 05

  And now if I can't do that, then everything becomes distilled and sucks and then the only thing we watch is like, here's like the five different types of water bottles. If you're a plastic water bottle, you're a dork. If you're a...

• 1:22:05Andrew Santino?

  Here's what your water bottle says about you.

• 1:22:07Speaker 05

  Ugh, I hate those people. I'm like, literally, die. We don't need that. It's making us stupid and crazy, man. Like, it's awful. I hate it.

• 1:22:16Andrew Santino?

  We need to be able to play.

• 1:22:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Andrew Santino?

  I'm excited for the special. Oh my god, for the taping. Whatever you want me to do, do it. Um, is there anything you wanna plug before we disappear into the night?

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Oh my god, I can't believe this is over already. I'm having so much fun.

• 1:22:26Andrew Santino?

  I know, I'm having so much fun.

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, there's a, there's a nice little mom and pop shop down in Evanston. You guys will love it, called Buffalo Joe's.

• 1:22:35Speaker 05

  No, I guess, yeah, uh, the, the Jack Tucker special, once that out, it's gonna be on YouTube. It's gonna be probably the most expensive YouTube special that's existed, that cannot monetize.

• 1:22:43Andrew Santino?

  I can't, I cannot, before, well, hold on, I cannot push this enough, that I think it's one of the most groundbreakingly funny, honest, um, wild characters, where you can disappear as an audience member and not feel self-conscious about like enjoying the party. Uh, I'm saying that to the audience, I'm not gonna compliment you, cause I know you get all blushy and shy when I do stuff like that. But it is, it's really fun, and I really, really highly encourage people to go watch it, cause I do think it's not like other stuff you've seen. You see, you see a lot of other stuff. There's a lot of stuff out there, there's a lot of comedy out there. Especially today, every fucking Netflix special that comes out, great, there's a lot of funny stuff. But this is remarkably unique, and so I'm just, anyway, keep going.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, well, I, yeah, I feel a lot of times, and I try, maybe this is good to put it on camera, so I remember this, is like, I try to never get bitter. I try to only ever use that like fuel to not like get caught in a rut, but to like fling out of there and just stay inspired and hungry. But I feel like we're still, me and Vigo talked about this last night. I think our strength as performers is to be able to meet the moment. And we can meet the moment and take people wherever they need to go and we will do anything for as long as they want to watch it. And I feel like with a lot of the art that we've made throughout our careers, it's not ahead of the time in a hubris self sucking your own cock way, but it's like, they are not there yet, but we made something that I feel is good enough to get the full treatment.

• 1:23:59Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Speaker 05

  And that's what I feel with Tucker. I believe in like, I, I, I, trust me, I'm the first person to hate everything that I make.

• 1:24:05Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, you should.

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  And, and I do.

• 1:24:06Andrew Santino?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Speaker 05

  And I still feel that.

• 1:24:07Andrew Santino?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:24:08Speaker 05

  And, and that's the only reason, and I think that's what makes me a good producer and a good performer and, you know, I don't ever want that hunger to die. And I'm also like, yes, I'm thrilled that this will ultimately be put on YouTube and everyone will be able to see it. And I'm also bummed that I'm like, damn y'all, like, look at all these other people getting so much money and so many opportunities to make absolute bullshit. And, and, but ultimately I'm like, stay with it, like, keep your head down, eyes on your own paper, like, keep dreaming and do this and like, you know, but, yeah, it's a, it sucks to feel pathetic sometimes, but then I'm like, well, that's a clown, I'm a clown.

• 1:24:42Andrew Santino?

  You're a clown. And what matters more than anything is that you're getting to create your own world, having a good time. It's what we did with Bad Game Show is true. Like every night we went home and we were all like, I guess we got to make that, you know, like we got to make this fun party thing. Uh, no one's really making money on that show. We lost a pretty good amount of money making it. But I was like, at least we're having a really fun time and there, nobody, nobody told us you can't.

• 1:25:07Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:25:07Andrew Santino?

  Nobody went, guys, you, you, no one's coming up to you being like, hey man, I don't think, I don't think Jack can say that. You're like, no, he can. That's the world, we're making, it's all fake. It's all fantasy town.

• 1:25:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Andrew Santino?

  So let's live in fantasy town forever.

• 1:25:21Speaker 05

  I would love that. That's my dream.

• 1:25:22Andrew Santino?

  Do me one favor. Before you go, say one word or one phrase into that camera right there. One word or a phrase. It used to be, it used to be a word and then some people want to leave a phrase of wisdom. Or you could just leave it something simple. It's up to you whenever you're ready.

• 1:25:34Speaker 05

  I'll leave y'all with my favorite, my favorite quote from Radrick Davis, the aforementioned Gucci Mane. If you don't got no sauce, you lost, but you could also get lost in the sauce.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey.

• 1:25:50Speaker 03

  Oh, that creature in the ginger beard.

• 1:25:52Speaker 05

  Sturdy and ginger.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  Gingers are beautiful. You owe me five dollars for the whiskey and seventy-five dollars for the horse. Gingers, oh hell no. This whiskey is excellent.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Ginger. I like gingers.