#101 Michael Yon - Secrets of the Darién Gap

Michael Yon is a Former Green Beret, Author, Photographer, and War Correspondent. After serving in the U. S. Army Special Forces, Yon retired his rifle in favor of a camera. He began his journalism career in December of 2004 in Iraq, covering some of the World's most complex conflicts and war zones. His writing and photography lead him to over 100 countries during his 20 year career. Most recently, he's been in South America covering an unknown path for illegal immigration into the United States: The Darién Gap. The Darién Gap is a region that connects the Southernmost part of Panama and Northern Colombia. This area has become the preferred way of travel for hundreds of thousands of migrants since the late 2000's. The Darién Gap is largely unregulated and only maintained by a faltering assortment of NGOs and smugglers. In this episode, Yon breaks down how the region functions in illegal immigration and the growing threat it poses to U. S Sovereignty. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://lairdsuperfood.com - USE CODE "SRS" https://helixsleep.com/srs - USE CODE "HELIXPARTNER20" https://babbel.com/srs https://hillsdale.edu/srs https://blackbuffalo.com https://ShawnLikesGold.com | 855-936-GOLD #goldcopartner Michael Yon Links: Website - https://michaelyon.com Twitter / X - https://twitter.com/Michael_Yon Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/michael_yon_world Locals - https://michaelyon.locals.com/landing/video Substack - https://substack.com/@michaelyon LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-yon-57639226 Linktree - https://linktr.ee/michaelyon1776 Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:05Shawn Ryan?

  Michael Yon, welcome to the show, man.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me on. I just got in from the Darien Gap and up in beautiful Tennessee now.

• 1:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm sure this is quite the change of scenery for you.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  It is, I mean, yeah, literally just the other day or two days ago, we're surrounded by NGOs like IOM, International Organization for Migration, the main engine of the invasion.

• 1:28Shawn Ryan?

  Man, well, we got a lot to talk about today. Me and you have been going back and forth for, what, about six months now? So I'm just, I just want to say thank you for finally getting here and sitting down. I know you have a lot to educate the American people on and I'm dying to get into this, so...

• 1:48Speaker 02

  You have no idea how many people send me messages. You gotta go on with Sean, you gotta go on... I'm like, we're trying, you know? I'm in the jungle, he's...

• 1:56Shawn Ryan?

  Got new family members. Yeah. Things going on. I will get down there with you shortly, but um, just gotta let my kids get just a little bit older. But um, yeah, so in this interview, I want to cover the Darien Gap, obviously. What is it? What's going on down there? I know you have some stuff to talk about with the border, with the famine, the oncoming famine that you're saying is coming. And so I want to just divulge into all of that stuff and get it all out there and educate, educate the audience. But um, let me give you a quick introduction here.

• 2:33Shawn Ryan?

  Michael Yan, former Green Beret, American writer and photographer. You've lived most of your life overseas, traveling or living in almost a hundred different countries. That's, man, that's a lot of countries. Uh, served in special forces in the early eighties, became a writer in the nineteen, in the nineteen nineties. Reported from Iraq and Afghanistan. You've been doing that since December of two thousand four, author of Moment of Truth in Iraq. You've authored six books, including three on Chinese information war, which I'm, I love talking about what's going on between us and China and how that affects us.

• 3:13Shawn Ryan?

  Um, reported on the ground from the 2019 Hong Kong protest.

• 3:21Shawn Ryan?

  Goes on, started getting into reporting on Iraq after attending many friends' funerals where people said, what is being portrayed in the media is not actually what's happening there. Um, thank you for doing that. International trips to report from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Canada, Singapore, Bahrain, the Philippines, the Darien Gap, the list goes on. My favorite piece of information about you is that you provided security for the infamous pop star, Michael Jackson. The Michael. The Michael. So, and I'll bet uh- I'll bet you got some stories from that, huh?

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Actually, all I did was my calculus homework at Neverland.

• 4:02Shawn Ryan?

  Right.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  I was just learning derivatives and that sort of thing. You know, I mentioned to you a story when I was in Afghanistan. After Michael Jackson died, I went out to this village. It was one of those remote villages, like 50 miles beyond the electrical lines, right? You know, there's the tree line and then there's the electrical line.

• 4:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  And so, and so I'm out there and I said, uh, I said to, I was with the village chief. I said, do you know Michael Jackson died? He's like, oh, the Michael.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yes, we know the Michael. Starts doing the beard thing that, you know, they do. You know, yes, the Michael, please tell your people, we cry one million prostitute tears for the Michael. They love Michael Jackson. They're out there moonwalking and the children everywhere I go, whether it's the Darien Gap or some remote village in Afghanistan or Nepal. Everybody wants to do the moonwalk, the children, of course.

• 4:55Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody knows Michael Jackson, right?

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:58Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, well, Michael, before we get into the Darien Gap and everything that you've got to push out about that, everybody gets a gift on the show.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you, sir. There you go. Should I open it now or later?

• 5:11Shawn Ryan?

  Go ahead, open it up.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Oh, gummy bears. I was told you love to hand out gummy bears.

• 5:19Shawn Ryan?

  Gummy bears, Vigilance League gummy bears, legal in all 50 states, believe it or not. It's just candy made right here in the USA. That you can't say about married many things these days, right?

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, made in the USA, like we are.

• 5:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  You know, speaking of made in the USA, thank you, sir.

• 5:37Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Made in the USA, you know, you were a Navy SEAL. I grew up with Scott Helviston, uh, and we talked about my two friends that led me to the war. Or, you know, one was an old Green Beret teammate, Richard Ferguson. He was killed in Iraq in March, uh, maybe March 30th, 2004 and, uh, and to crit.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  And the, within one day of that, Scott Helvinston was killed. Scott was the youngest Navy SEAL in history, actually. I've said this before, he was seventeen when he made it through all the buds and whatnot, and people say bullshit, but it's, it actually was true. And we went to school together, we played football together, we worked out together, we chased girls together. He was, you know, again, like Goggins level crazy and fit. He was a super stud. And Scott made it into, unbelievable. And so then, unfortunately, he was killed in Fallujah. He was one of the Blackwater contractors that hanged off the bridge. And so I went to his funeral in Florida, and I went to Fergie's

• 6:40Speaker 02

  funeral, my old Green Beret teammate, and, and actually, I was one of the younger Green Berets as well, nineteen. So it was interesting because we went to the same high school, and a lot of the people from that high school went off to Delta or SEALs or whatever. It was something about it, like the coaches weren't any, like, there was no first and second and third place and all, it was, it was first place and losers, right? That's it. And, you know, these were very serious coaches, very serious teachers. Military was revered, and, and, and just being, you know, an American was revered and still is, right? So we went off to that, and so I went to the funerals. I went to Scott's funeral in Florida, and the SEALs that were there were like, you know, the war, the journalists are all

• 7:22Speaker 02

  lying about the war. There were journalists from all over the world at Scott's funeral. It was disgusting. And, I mean, hanging outside his mother's house, I was inside of his mother's house, and we were talking, and there was like, literally somebody from Japan trying to, you know, shoot through the window with the, you know, and, you know, literally all over the world, because it was so contentious at that time, right? And then I went to Scott, or Fergie's funeral in Colorado, and there was a lot of Green Berets and that sort of thing. And, and again, they were saying, you should go to the war. And I'm like, I'm not going to the war. It's quite dangerous, and I'm busy, right, doing other stuff. But then is that, when Scott was killed in particular, and his three friends at Blackwater, the, that's when the United States attacked Fallujah, of course. And then it caused a huge

• 8:07Speaker 02

  amount of people to flood into the war. From Yemen and Morocco and Europe, everywhere. Who's Who in the Zoo, it was a Star Wars cafe showed up to the war. So if you look at icasualties.org, you'll see the casualties just explode at that time. And so as that year unfolds in 2004, I had another friend, we all went to school together. Scott was now gone and another one was Rodney Morris. And we also played on the same football team with Scott, but he was the first ID Provost Marshal, First Infantry Division Provost Marshal. And he was calling me up every week. Michael, when are you coming to the war? And I'm like, Rodney, I love you, brother, but I am not coming to the war.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  And finally, it comes down to October of 2004, and Operation Phantom Fury starts to kick off on Fallujah again. Because remember, after the contractors, Scott was killed, and then we attacked Fallujah, the war just exploded. And now to really teach him a lesson, we kicked off Operation Phantom Fury and flattened Fallujah really seriously that time. And that's when I realized, hey, this is an insurgency. And I just spent quite a bit of time out with the Maoist in Nepal and that sort of thing. I didn't write anything about it, but I spent a year in Nepal. So I mean, I was watching these things. And so that was when I said to Rodney Morris, the Provost Marshal that I went to high school with, I said, okay, I'll come.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  And so I went in December of 2004, and immediately, there was so much combat, I was actually surprised. I thought it was, in fact, at that point, I thought CNN was understating it. I mean, there were so many airstrikes going on and tracers flying up into the night and explosions in Baghdad. So the first thing I did was ask, well, I flew up to Tikrit where Rodney was, and I said, what unit do you have that's in the most combat that will let me go with them? So I went back down to Bakuba, and that's when it started. From then on, I just did as much combat as I could do, and I did it for years. And so, and that sort of, I was never a war, at some point, people were like, you're just an adrenaline junkie or a war junkie.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  And I'm like, that's not, that doesn't fit the fact pattern. I did not go to the war until three years into it, right? And then, when I did go to it, I went full bore, as our type tend to do. And so that's how that all started, by the way. So people often wonder, but that's how it happened. In the special ops community, it's a all or nothing. There's winners and there's losers.

• 10:40Shawn Ryan?

  That's right.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  That's it. We don't get second place against World Economic Forum or the Chinese Communist Party. We either win or we die. That's what's coming.

• 10:48Shawn Ryan?

  So Michael, I know you've been down at the Darien Gap several times. How many, how many times have you been down there?

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Uh, well, let's say how much time I've spent there at this point, because I've lost track of times. I noticed that with war correspondent work, too. The people that tell you how many times they've been in the war, haven't spent much time there. But since Biden was installed, I've been there probably six months.

• 11:09Shawn Ryan?

  Six months?

• 11:09Speaker 02

  We would have to ask, uh, you know, Panamanian Immigration, how much time I've spent in Panama. But so how many times have I been into the Darien? I don't know, at least 50. Quite a lot. I'm down there. I was just down there with Epoch Times and, and Laura Lumer was there and Masako Gana from Japan, Mara Macy. We, we, we're starting to take groups down there that can call for fire on, on the NGOs.

• 11:35Shawn Ryan?

  Good for you. So before we get into what you're doing down there, can you give us a basic explanation of why, what the Darien Gap is and why it's pertinent to what we're talking about?

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Darien Gap is one of the, let's say Panama, let's widen that slightly to Panama. Panama is one of the most important pieces of land on earth to the United States. A lot of Americans don't get this. Our grandparents got it. You know, for instance, Fort Clayton is the old US Army South Headquarters, and a lot of American veterans watching this will know exactly what we're talking about, right? It's been taken over by more than five dozen NGOs, mostly UN. But, but skipping past the details of that, that's been taken over by our enemies. Fort Clayton is literally one of the most important little postage stamp sized pieces of land on planet earth for Americans. Right outside the windows there of IOM Headquarters, which is the Immigration, International Organization for Migration,

• 12:34Speaker 02

  which is the chief engine of the invasion, is right outside their office windows in building 110, is, is the Miraflores locks, the Panama Canal, and the Pan, the Panama Canal Railway, which is also important, and the Thatcher Ferry Bridge. The Thatcher Ferry Bridge is the bridge from Highway 1 that goes down and from the Darien Gap, from the edge of the Darien Gap, all the way to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, right? So in other words, once you get on Highway 1, after you emerge from the Darien Gap, you get in buses. Straight to America, straight shot. So in other words, from the IOM headquarters, to repeat this, the Miraflores locks are right there. You're watching ships go by. I'm watching them constantly because I, I, I rent a hotel right beside them, right?

• 13:19Speaker 02

  And, uh, and there's the Panama Canal, there's the railway, there's the Thatcher Ferry Bridge. This is amazingly important to the United States. And right behind you is the old US Army South Headquarters. And they've taken it. All the, literally our enemies have taken our headquarters. Jimmy Carter gave, I'm sorry, sir, go ahead.

• 13:38Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, basically what I was, what I wanted to ask is can you explain, look, we, we are living in a very uneducated America these days. And so can you explain why it's such a strategic and important location for the US?

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Right. Uh, many reasons. One, location, location, location. Of course, the Panama Canal opened up in 1914 and that increased world trade dramatically, right? And so that was, uh, 1914 was a, an important year for other things that we'll talk about later. But, uh, so that's important. Our US Navy needs to be able to get between the seas. Otherwise, we need to, if Taiwan comes under attack and you need to shift naval forces, I mean, you need that canal to get through quickly, right? That's one reason. Uh, another reason is just the trade. I mean, the huge amount of, I, I can't even say how much trade goes through there now because it's dynamic. Like the, the Suez Canal and the Red Sea

• 14:35Speaker 02

  issues have caused things to change. So, you know, the 6% or the 11% that you hear, you know, one month ago changes by the next time you're able to check. And so, uh, there's that. There's also, it's just a strategic location that where you can influence or even control parts of South America, Central America, and even North America. That's airstrike distance from the United States, right? And so, um, or missile strike distance as well. But also there's the connection with Colombia, right? So Colombia is that northernmost country in South America. Actually Panama used to be part of Colombia. In order to make the Panama Canal, We helped Panama separate off from Colombia, right?

• 15:19Speaker 02

  So it became a separate country, right? And so, and so, but now with the Darien Gap, they call it the Gap because Highway 1, the Pan American Highway, which goes from Alaska all the way through, it ends at a place called Yaviza. And Yaviza is where Highway 1 ends. It picks up again about 60 miles later in a place called Turbo in Colombia, right? And then from there, you can go all the way down to the tip of South America, right? So except for that little part, it's, it's, it's, it's, well, I mean, you can drive all the way. And right now, Ann Vander Steele and I and others have just been down again to a bridge. They're, they're gonna, they're gonna open that road, this new bridge that they're building. They're, they're opening up a pathway to Colombia.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  And she just made a little video with her gimbal and her iPhone, and it went viral in Panama. And the Panamanians were shocked that they're opening a highway to Colombia, right? But we were, you know, when I first was telling Panamanian people that last year, I went, you know, I was down there at the Darien Gap at the edge, looking at the bridge. I, I go down there all the time because I sensed that they were gonna open it up. But there was nothing in the Panamanian news that I, that I was able to find or anybody was able to find. But I kept expecting they were gonna open something up. So every time I would go, almost every time I would go to the Darien Gap, I would go to the end of the highway and look for just mud tracks or anything. And sure enough, I went down there and suddenly there's a bunch of mud.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  And so I went, followed this little thing and I'm like, hey, they're built, here it is. They're building a bridge. Whipped out the drone, droned it, and said, this is it. And so I went back up to, uh, went back up to Panama City and was talking to some people in the government and whatnot. And I was like, look, who's building that bridge? Who's funding it? Nobody seems to know. They're like, there's no bridge being built there. I said, look at the mud on my boots. I was just there like eight hours ago.

• 17:05Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have video of this?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I've got tons of video.

• 17:07Shawn Ryan?

  Can we put it up here right now?

• 17:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely, absolutely. I've got drone footage that we just made 10 days ago. I've got drone footage from last year and numerous trips.

• 17:16Shawn Ryan?

  So what is the significance of opening that road on that? It sounds like it's a 60 mile gap.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Yep. Oh, then you'll have a open path to South America, which means, you know, open shot for Panama is going to get lost. You know, I mean, when I say lost, I mean, taken. I mean, Panama is basically a country with a pork chop around its neck. And it doesn't have, it's, it's got a very professional center front. Center front is sort of like, sort of their army, sort of their border patrol, sort of police. We don't have the equivalent. It's kind of all three. They're trained constantly by Navy SEALs, US and, and, and also special forces. We just saw some of those down there again. And they've been training them for years. So they're very professional. When you get on there, I think you're going to be actually impressed with center front. But they're not strong enough to defend Panama, not even close, right?

• 18:06Speaker 02

  And they're very professional. They've got, you know, limited weapons. They don't have any rockets. They've got no anti-aircraft. They've got no anti-ship missiles. They just don't have the numbers. They're not going to be able to defend Panama. And so Panama, again, that incredibly important piece of real estate, which can be and will be open to South America by land. And by the way, there's a book written by, it was actually clearly sponsored by Chinese and it was co-authored by a Panamanian economist. And it talks about, it's a softball book on, you know, opening up the Darien and these sorts of things. And, and you can see the bio-occeanic corridor map and all these different maps. And these are terms people probably aren't familiar with. But the bottom line

• 18:49Speaker 02

  is the BRI, the Belt and Road Initiative is something that'll go right through Panama. And this is, this is vital. Actually, it ends up going right through, you know, people were just asking me yesterday, why is Biden going to Brownsville, Texas? Because it's on the I-69 corridor. That corridor is part of the corridor that also will go through the Darien Gap, actually bio-occeanic corridor and all these different things. It's all about energy. It's all about routes, Old Spice routes, Old Silk Road, all these things. Nothing has changed really. This, you know, the, the important routes are the same. Actually, that's why I often will leave Panama and go to Netherlands, because Netherlands is another key piece of vital, vital.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  piece of terrain, right? You see the railway that's been built from Shanghai and other feeders in China. I've been to that end of it in Shanghai. I spent a lot of time. I spent about a year in and around China. But there's a railway now that's been completed, goes all the way across Asia and Europe, and it goes right to through Netherlands to Rotterdam Harbor. Rotterdam Harbor is the biggest harbor in Europe.

• 19:54Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just so the railway goes. So you're already filling in the blanks. And so it's the biggest harbor in Europe.

• 20:02Shawn Ryan?

  Major trade routes.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:03Shawn Ryan?

  They are infiltrating all the major trade routes throughout the world.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  So when you see where I'm at, it's trade routes. It's where that's where they're using this weaponized migration. They're focusing on key places of the trade route. Brownsville. Why did Biden go there? Well, why does Governor Abbott constantly go to McAllen? It's along the I-69 corridor, which is part of these trade routes. And it goes all the way up to Detroit, where World Economic Forum also has a headquarters, right? Not a coincidence. And those feeders come up from New Orleans. So when you look at that map, you can see, you can already see a lot of the place. So let's get back to Netherlands. Just south of Rotterdam Harbor is Antwerp Harbor in Belgium, the second largest harbor in Europe.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  You control those two bad boys and you've got, you know, and so now they're trying to build, working on something called tri-state city. In Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. They call it tri-state because it's the three states of Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. Most of Netherlands, part of Germany and part of Belgium will be this giant smart city that the World Economic Forum and CCP have envisioned. Now, every time I say this on a major show like yours, you'll see the left guys come out and say, that's conspiracy theory. And I'll say, well, here it is on your website, right? You know how this goes.

• 21:24Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  And so, and so they want to build this giant, and they're working on it, tri-state city, smart city. And so they're really hitting Netherlands and whatnot with these weaponized migration, right? The weaponized migration is one of the tools that they're bringing to bear. Now, let's talk about trade routes and energy, right? So a lot of this.

• 21:45Shawn Ryan?

  Hold up, hold up. Before we go into trade routes and energy, let's go back to the Darian Gap.

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• 25:54Shawn Ryan?

  So, we'll tie this in later. I want to keep the audience focused on what's going on down there first. So...

• 26:02Shawn Ryan?

  What are you seeing down there? It sounds like from our discussions in the past over the phone and from what I've been reading and since I've been following you, it sounds like you're seeing a lot of Chinese movement down there. You're seeing a lot of Russian influence down there and you're seeing a lot of different terrorist organizations congregate down there. I have a friend, Sarah Adams, who was a CIA targeter, who is coming on here in about a month, who's going to discuss how all of these terrorist organizations, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Hamas, they're all ISIS, they're all, they're forming an alliance. Instead of hating each other, they're forming an alliance.

• 26:47Shawn Ryan?

  You're saying they're congregating down there to come up into the US, so?

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Passing through. Not really congregating, they just pass through.

• 26:57Shawn Ryan?

  Pass through.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  It's pass through. I mean, right now, when we just left, it was about 3,000 a day, right?

• 27:01Shawn Ryan?

  3,000 what?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Aliens coming through per day. And that would be mostly Venezuelans, hundreds of Chinese per day, Afghans every day, just who's who in the zoo. 150 different countries, Yemenis. And of course, IOM has an office in Yemen, we're starting to bomb Yemen, of course. Guarantee you, there'll be an increased number of, tons of Arabs. You gotta keep in mind, in Venezuela, there's a lot of Hezbollah, right? I mean, there's a lot of, so, actually, there was a bombing in 1994 in Panama, and there was an airliner, or a small flight going from Cologne to Panama City, and killed 22, I think, including 12 Jewish people, right? And then, within 24 hours of that, there was a bombing in Argentina, killed 85, and

• 27:47Speaker 02

  wounded about 300, so about 385 casualties, right? And so, those were Hezbollah. The Hezbollah mastermind in the Panama bombing is believed to live in Venezuela and owns a bar on Margarita Island, right? I mean- People know where he lives.

• 28:06Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  He owns a bar down there. And so, but he's, he's still operating. And if you, the Russians and the Chinese and Iranians have very close relationships with Venezuela. So Iranians can literally pop in there and get a visa, get a new passport on arrival, not a visa, passport, right? So, and you've got also Hezbollah there in Venezuela, who speaks Spanish fluently because they were raised in Venezuela. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a village in Lebanon where they speak Spanish. It's, I think it's called Ba'al, right? It's a, I'm sorry, I've forgotten how to spell it.

• 28:41Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not familiar with that.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Yep, they speak Spanish. You can look on YouTube and you can, you can see the people in the village literally speaking Spanish.

• 28:48Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Why are they, why are all of these? I, I definitely understand why, I, I mean, China's obviously there to take control of the canal, of the trade route, correct?

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:02Shawn Ryan?

  Is that, is that why Russia's there?

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Russia has always an influence. They're serious players, but their influence is nothing like China. I mean, the, the, you know, the difference is quite immense, right? And, uh, you know, again, I've spent a year in and around China, watching, I've written three books on Chinese information war that are only, actually only in Japanese. I didn't, I didn't even publish them for an American audience. I've been trying to wake up Japanese for years, uh, because they're a vital partner for us as well. But the Chinese are doing so many things. For instance, they, they're interested in building a canal in Thailand on something called the Krasismas. I've been down there researching that, you know, 10 years ago. They're buying property down there, they're setting conditions to make that canal that'll allow them to bypass, bypass the Malacca Straits and that sort of thing.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  So a lot of these, a lot of this is about old, you know, Silk routes and spice routes. For instance, you see the, the, um, uh, the Indo-European corridor that almost nobody has heard about, right? The Indo-European corridor is a new idea, or at least it's a new idea that people are energizing, that will go from Mumbai over to, uh, uh, to, uh, UAE through, uh, uh, Saudi and Jordan, and then come out through Israel. In Gaza and Haifa, right? And then off to Europe, right? Interesting, huh? So they they were talking about this before the attack, before these things happened on October 7th. And the Costa Rican president and the Panamanian president flew down in helicopters to one of the major camps called Las Blancas.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  They, in fact, they just made some new LZs. You can see on my drone footage before and after. They they put up these helicopter LZs. They landed there. They announced that they're expanding the Darien Gap. They're expanding from 60 buses to about 200 buses. They're so so when I come back to the United States and I say, well, I think they're gonna at least triple the number of people come coming through. It's not a random thought. I mean, you can do the math, you know, from 60 to 200 buses. But in fact, we're watching infrastructure being built in the jungle, which could make it five, 10 times more. I mean, so but they're increasing them. They've already increased the number of buses now. But but the bottom line is, when I, when I, when I say these. The number of buses to do what? What are the buses?

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Oh, these buses for the people who emerged from the Darien Gap? I'm sorry, I missed that part. I I I'm down there so much, I forget what people actually are not dialed in on. But so as the people, as as they make it through the Darien Gap, they get on buses. They go to two major camps after they get out. One's called Las Blancas and the other one's called San Vicente. San Vicente is the one I call China Camp. China Camp is the one that Mayorkas went to, Alexander or Alex Mayorkas went to on April 18, 2022. I had waited for him for four days. He came down on four Blackhawks, landed right in front of me. I didn't actually know he was going there. I just, somebody told me he was coming to Panama. So I went down there and I waited. I said, well, if he comes, I bet he'll land Blackhawks right here. And he did.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  And so when he landed, he went like this far from me, right? After he got out of the helicopters, he got, you know, in those armored vehicles and they went to China Camp. Now, interestingly. Alex Mayorkas used to be a board member on something called HIAS. HIAS is the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, right? Now, Mayorkas himself, Secretary of Homeland Security, he is a Cuban refugee himself, of Jewish parents, right? Mother and father. And now, he actually was a board member on HIAS, which is the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society. Now, people got angry at me and said, "Oh, you're becoming anti-Semitic." Clown out. I don't care. Say whatever you're gonna say.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Bottom line is, I've been attacking Catholic charities for years, right? But it happens to be, he was a board member on HIAS. Actually, the person that dialed me in on that was Douglas McGregor. He said, "You know, Alexander Mayorkas was a board member on HIAS." And you can see on the HIAS.org website, they congratulate him for getting the job at Homeland Security. So he moved over. They've got an office, 40 meters from the front gate of HIAS has an office, 40 meters from the front gate of China Camp. Literally, HIAS, who has a long list of donors on their website, HIAS.org, they're literally using Jewish money to bring people in from places like Hezbollah.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  You can't make up this stuff. So when I said that at a speech in Texas recently, people said, "Oh, you're anti-Semitic." I'm like, "Here's the bottom line. When they start shooting up synagogues and golf courses in Florida, and there's people that came through the Darien Gap, then you'll start to wonder, how did they get through?" And I'll say, "HIAS was one of them," right? And so shut them down. So there's a lot of heat coming on HIAS now. We were just down there again. They've taken the signs off their gate. They had a big HIAS sign on their gate. They've now taken it down. They know that they're being watched now, very closely. But the bottom line is, these NGOs, like HIAS, like Catholic charities, like IOM, all these people, UN and General, they are taking over countries.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Remember when the crazy people used to say that? Well, it turns out the crazy people were right. I used to think they were crazy. Now I just think- They were smarter than I am. I mean, because they saw it. They saw this decades ago that the UN was gonna do this and it always sounded crazy. And it's not because they're clearly doing that to Panama. They're clearly trying to, for instance, remove the center front commander and get somebody installed. That is from one of the NGOs. They're clearly, they've already done it to the Department of Homeland Security. They've got. Alex, you know, Alex Mayorkas is the chief there and he brought money to that camp at San Vicente. You'll see it. The before and after footage of the China camp, San Vicente camp is phenomenal. It's, it's a huge difference.

• 34:57Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have the before and after footage?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  I'll give it to you. It's, it's, it's downstairs.

• 35:02Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. So China's there to, for a multitude of reasons. One to control the trade route. Russia's there. It sounds like just to have a presence. Why are so many Middle Eastern terrorist organizations passing through the Darien Gap? Why wouldn't they just fly into Tijuana or El Paso and just run through the border there? What's the, what's, what's, what's the draw?

• 35:30Speaker 02

  A very good question. A lot of them do fly in. Same with Chinese. A lot do, actually. And then a lot, they just can't get through for whatever reason. But everybody knows you can get through. If you can get your feet anywhere in South America, you can get anywhere in the United States. It's easy at this point. It's a function of money. That's all it is. And so if you've got the money, it's easier, follow the ant trail.

• 35:53Shawn Ryan?

  So why are they going to the Darien Gap though? That's what I'm asking.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Oh, because it's a route that you can get through. I mean, you can, and again, people, let's say Chinese, they can get to Ecuador, Quito. They, they'll fly to Quito, Ecuador. There's whole hotels they've taken over now in Quito, right? And along the way in Colombia as well, in the Coquelin and other places, right? So they have taken over.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Well, if you can get to, like, for instance, a lot of the Africans can get into Brazil. Haitians can get into Suriname and Brazil. A lot of Haitians were already in Chile due to various reasons. So, a lot of people either started down there, or started down there years ago, or you can just get there. For instance, Venezuela will let you in.

• 36:31Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, so you're saying that maybe some of these Middle Eastern terrorist organizations are having a problem getting into just Mexico in general? Through some type of integration process? So it's easier for them to get in down in the Darien Gap?

• 36:46Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 36:46Shawn Ryan?

  Is that what you're saying?

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, like Venezuela will let Iranians come in.

• 36:50Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  And so Venezuelans, I mean, you know, if you-

• 36:52Shawn Ryan?

  And so that's basically, so that's, they're not going to the Darien, they're not coming to the Darien Gap. They're going all over South America. They're finding the easiest countries to infiltrate down there so that they can funnel up into the US.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  Oh, they would definitely prefer to fly straight to New York. Uh, but this is the way that some people can get in. Some people, like, some of the Chinese can fly straight to Mexico because they can get a visa. And so they'll fly, a lot of them go to Cancun. And so that they meet their snakeheads in Cancun. Snakehead and, and, uh, we call them coyotes, coyotes, but in Mandarin they call them snakeheads. So there are snakeheads, there's snakeheads in Mexico City. There's snakeheads in Tapachula. Tapachula is the southernmost city in Mexico. It's on the Guatemala border. I've been there, right? And it's, it's like they're El Paso. And so there's snakeheads there, there's snakeheads in Cancun. So you got some Chinese that'll literally fly to Cancun and they'll go on vacation, like, you know, chill out. And then you'll see them come across at Yuma or whatever, right?

• 37:51Speaker 02

  And you'll see the Chinese coming across at Yuma or San Diego or McAllen. The ones that, I mean, I've been all the way across the US border from SpaceX to San Diego. Much of that on the Mexican side and on the entire American side, right? And so, I mean, I'm quite familiar with that border. And I've seen a lot of Chinese come across that look like they just got off an airplane. I mean, they're wearing night, they're, I mean, they haven't, their, their cheeks aren't drawn in from going through the Darien Gap or some long trip, right? But even the Chinese, keep in mind, the Darien Gap is not the same for everybody. Some people take the hard route, right? Actually- Right now, Oscar Blue is out there with Matt Tomlett. They're going in, they're, they're, they literally landed by helicopter yesterday. They're okay with me saying this because by the time this airs, they'll be out. They're right by the Colombian border right now.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  They're actually reconning one of the new routes that the Chinese are using. I can say that now, I'm saying this with permission. Because again, by the time this airs, they're out. But in fact, I'm tracking their icons. I was just looking at earlier before we went on. They're deep in the jungle. It's a new route. But there's hard routes and there's easy routes. The hard route is like you go from Nicocli, Colombia, which I've done this. You get on a boat, you go to Coparagana, or that's one of the main places, Coparagana. And then you enter the Darien Gap there, which I've done. I didn't go very far in, but we went in there, I went there with Chuck Holton and Masako Gana. We didn't go very far. But we went in enough to see the entrance, right? And then we came around and went to the Panama side. But that's the hard route.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  It goes over what's called the Mountain of Death and the Four Crossings and all this. That's where you take the high casualties, right? Then there's easier routes that the Chinese and many of the other, many Syrians as well and others, and Afghans as well, actually. They'll take an easier, many of the Afghans take the hard route, but others have a lot of money somehow. And they take the easy route. And so you get on these boats and you go to places like Cretto. And you go to places like Anachicana. I've been to all these places. That's in, that's with the Kuna Indians. You land and then they only have about two days to go through the jungle. And it's easy. The Indians carry your bags. Nobody gets raped or killed on that route because they pay so much money. So those routes are quite safe. Although when Ann Vander Steele and I were just down there on this last trip,

• 40:01Speaker 02

  that route was closed temporarily because a couple of boats capsized and, and nine Afghans were killed. So the road was, that, that route was temporarily closed because the seas were so high. But when it's closed, it doesn't stop people from coming. They either just wait or they take one of the other routes.

• 40:17Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Are you, how are you received down there? What do you have a cover or you just?

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Everybody knows who I am.

• 40:25Shawn Ryan?

  Everybody knows.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Everybody knows who I am. All the, I'm out with Indians all the time. I'm out with Embarra Indians, Wunon Indians a little bit, and Kuna Indians. They all know me by, in fact, again, this morning, I got a message from, actually, while we were together, I got a message from one of the Kuna, from the Kuna Indian, or sorry, Embarra Indian mayor, Francisco Agapi. He's the mayor of 29 villages of Embarra, Wunon, and that, what they call Comarca, which is a reservation. So, the, most of the villages that the aliens come through are his villages, right? So, we've actually had him up in Washington, Todd Binsman, had, you know, helped get him up there, and we had him talking with congressmen and whatnot, and, and so we've had him to the United, he speaks English fluently.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  He actually went to school in Oregon, in that crazy place, and, and then actually went back to Darien Gap where it was safe. This is, you know, you can't make up this stuff. Everybody's talking about how, how dangerous Darien is, but he would rather be back in Darien than actually in Oregon.

• 41:25Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. I've actually heard that the Darien Gap is one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  It's, it's dangerous if you're crossing, it's dangerous if people don't want you there. Those Indians can't, I mean, the Indians I'm out with all the time, there's a lot of firefights out there, there's, you know, the Senate fronts out there, you know, getting into contact all the time, and, but that's on the routes where they pay less money. Now, when there's so many people coming in, like 3,000 a day, the aliens coming in reach predator saturation, right? So, there's just, there's more people coming in than the predators have a chance to do anything about it. So, so most of the people end up getting through without getting raped or robbed when you're coming through thousands at a time, because there's just not enough robbers and rapists, right?

• 42:08Shawn Ryan?

  This, this bridge that they're building, how big is this bridge?

• 42:13Speaker 02

  You know?

• 42:14Shawn Ryan?

  How many lanes?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know yet.

• 42:16Shawn Ryan?

  How much construction is being built on it? I mean, is this like, is this like, equivalent to the amount of infrastructure that China's putting into Africa, building?

• 42:26Shawn Ryan?

  Four, eight lane highways.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  You'll be able to get tanks over it. I mean, because one thing that I was waiting for was for them to start putting the abutments in. So I could photograph them and send them back to some engineers, which I've done.

• 42:41Shawn Ryan?

  Is China building the road?

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Nobody says who's putting the money in it. So it indicates to me it's China because China has a way of doing this, right? So when I keep asking government people, who's actually paying for this? Or the, nobody seems to know.

• 42:55Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody knows who's paying for the bridge.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I'm sure somebody knows, but they, they're not coming off with it.

• 42:59Shawn Ryan?

  How active are they? How active is the construction?

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Oh, very active. I mean, it's like everybody's, I mean, I literally was just down there and making video over the shoulder of the, of the construction foreman, looking at the blueprints, you know? They're, they let us, you know, it's Panama.

• 43:16Shawn Ryan?

  So this is like a real, I mean, does this look similar to here in the U.S. if somebody's building an overpass?

• 43:23Speaker 02

  They work harder down in Panama.

• 43:25Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I'm saying though? Is there excavators, concrete trucks, tons of construction workers?

• 43:29Speaker 02

  They're actively building it. They're building at least two bridges, possibly three.

• 43:34Shawn Ryan?

  So it's a major project.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:36Shawn Ryan?

  This isn't like some, some sticks.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no. The sticks project.

• 43:40Shawn Ryan?

  It's not a river and stream crossing.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  There are some of those, but those, let me tell you how those work. And when you come down, you're going to see it. Okay, this is a, this is one that you'll be able to drive tanks over. You'll see the abutments. I'll, I'll give you the photos and whatnot or just bring it and show you. But this is one that'll be, this is for very heavy stuff. But when we asked the people building the bridge, the foreman, he's like, oh, it's for Yucca, for Yucca, the food, you know? Yucca, it's like, yeah, like a, you know, T72 Yucca, I don't know. So I'm just like, I don't know, but you know, whatever. It's clearly going to be big enough for tanks, you know? I'm not saying that that's what they're going to use. I'm just saying it's going to be big enough to take those trees out of the jungle. Because those trees in the Darien Gap are probably worth billions of dollars. So let's get to that.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Now, the Chinese, every year, they rebuild a lot of these small, like sort of sticks bridges because they're constantly cutting the trees down, even in rainy season. And then when it come, and then the, when the, when the. When the rainy season comes, it blows out all these little bridges, right? And so the Chinese come and they rebuild the bridges every year. And that's part of how they get the trees from the Indians, because the Indians want the bridges open, right? So they, and then the Indians sell the trees for 20 bucks each. Except for the coca cola trees, which are like $2,000 per ton, right? But there's trees out there that are probably worth a million dollars each, like the black ebony trees and whatnot. But keep in mind, trees are like drugs, right? And they are worth a lot more upstream, right?

• 45:07Speaker 02

  In other words, if you have a really high quality, some of these trees that they have out there. When you make chess pieces out of it and sell those things, those things worth a lot of money. It's like ivory, right? It's like drugs. Now to the Indians, they're like, yeah, we got all these trees, millions and millions of trees, you know, 20 bucks. You know, or for the more expensive ones, the coca cola, $2,000 per ton. But again, downrange, once you get these things out on the ships where they make stuff out of them, or back to China. Or to the Middle East where people can use these things for furniture, those trees are worth a lot of money. So keep that in mind as you're building this highway through the Darien Gap. You're also building access to more of the trees.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  I've got somebody going down there today, actually finding the head of one of the trails where they're doing more logging this year. The dry season is just. How long have you said you've been going down there? I started immediately after Biden was installed. So about three years. Yep, I was, I was at the, I was in Washington for the inauguration. And you saw how quickly they put up that, those trees, right? I'm not the trees, how quickly they put up those fences, right? So immediately Chuck Holton and Masako Ganaha and I flew right to El Paso. Because we thought that they would start flooding over the border and from Mexico to El Paso, and they were. And the border patrol is like, wow, he's only been in office for like, you know, 48 hours. And we're getting overwhelmed and we were seeing it, right?

• 46:31Speaker 02

  And then we flew down to Colombia and we went to the Darien Gap on the Colombian side. And then I started going to Panama constantly because I'm like, this is it. This is where they're going to run right up the middle. It's going to be, so I started going to spending a lot of time there, developing. Networks and and situational awareness, figuring this out, where are they gonna build? Are they gonna build a bridge here? Yeah, I thought they would. That's why I'm constantly reconning for the bridge and they just started the bridge now. And I mean, not just a bridge, but a pathway to Columbia, right?

• 47:03Shawn Ryan?

  So where I'm going with this is how much have you seen the infrastructure develop down there? Especially when it comes to the Chinese side?

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Oh, it must.

• 47:12Shawn Ryan?

  In three years.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Now, for just the Darien Gap, for the, it's gotta be.

• 47:20Shawn Ryan?

  What did you see?

• 47:21Speaker 02

  In the last two weeks, I would say five times more.

• 47:25Shawn Ryan?

  What did you see when you first started going there?

• 47:28Speaker 02

  When I first started going there, I went to a place called Bajo Chiquito, right? And keep in mind, it was not very open. I had to do the normal, you know, get, make friends with the Indians and that sort of thing. I found the chief, Francisco, got to know him and he's like, well, you should come to Bajo Chiquito. So, so it's just me. I'm out with the Indians all the time. So mostly for those about six months I've spent down there, it's been mostly me alone, you know, basically setting conditions to bring people down. So you see all these journalists down there now, like Ben Berkwam and Oscar Blue and Epoch Times and Brett Weinstein and Brian. It was me setting the runway to bring them all down. So, so what did I see back then?

• 48:12Speaker 02

  I saw Bajo Chiquito, this village about three hours by dugout canoe up into the Darien Gap, was just like overrun. There's 403 people in that village at that time, according to their census of Inberaw Indians. And sometimes there would be, you know, at least equal that number of aliens or double, right? Crap everywhere. I mean, feces everywhere, like terrible. No water supplies. I mean, literally at that point, I went out with Chuck Holton a couple of times when he would come down with me. And I said, what do you, how many, what do you think the fatality rate is of people coming through on this route? And I didn't, you know, I didn't want to load the answer. And he said, no, maybe 10%. That's what I had written down. I said, you know, I don't know, seven, 12.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Well, you know, something I was like, because that's based on talking with just so many people coming through. How many bodies they were seeing, how many rapes and murders they were seeing, how many people were falling off the mountain of death or drowning, washing down the river, wrapped up in their tents and that, you know, a lot of these people have never been by any rivers. They come from cities. They don't know what a flash flood is. That's a rainforest, right? And it's in the mountains. You you cross the continental divide. When you come through the mountain of death out in the Darien Gap is the continental divide, right? So you're you're crossing the continental divide and and and and they sleep. The the easiest places to sleep are by the rivers. You know, this plays out. You're a Navy SEAL. It doesn't play out well in a rainforest, right?

• 49:36Speaker 02

  So you end up one time, one group that was coming through was forty people and twenty nine, ha- fifty percent. How, what does the infrastructure look like now? Now, oh, now it's like now, for instance, the Indians, they used to have like, you know, fifteen horsepower engines. Now most of them have thirty. By the way, every boat that I've ever seen in the jungle is all piraguas. Not a shred of fiberglass. Piragua is a dugout canoe. They literally chop down a sizable enough tree. They it takes them, you know, like a month and they hollow that thing out. And and then they they literally make it usually right where it lands, the first part of it anyway. And and then they put an engine on them. And if you look at the old, like I found an old painting from about, I don't know, one hundred and sixty, seventy years ago.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  And it's, you know, it's got a piragua out in the in the jungle in Panama. They look exactly the same, except now they have a motor, right? And so one of the ways that the infrastructure has increased is just going from fifteen horsepower engines to thirty, which is a big deal. Sometimes the people can do two trips a day with those instead of one, right? So I mean, there's there's there's all these little things that are incremental. There's a lot more piraguas now than there were before. There's a they they have, the NGOs have made water facilities there. They've put, right now they're building two new camps, or actually three, in the jungle that we know of. Uh, one is at Bajo Chiquito Village. We were just at it like ten days ago. There's another near Bajo Chiquito Village.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Which is going to, I don't know, be big enough for maybe 15,000 people per day, right? It's quite large. And I'll give you that drone footage and footage from the ground. And then on a completely different river, that's called the Rio Turquesa. On a completely different river, the Rio Membrillo, that we call that the China Route. They're building another new camp out there as well. I mean, you're going to be able to, I would say, at least increase by five times.

• 51:32Shawn Ryan?

  So this one, this started out as

• 51:36Shawn Ryan?

  camps with almost no infrastructure, no sewage, no running water, none of that. And now the infrastructure is camps that hold thousands of people.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they're more pass-through.

• 51:51Shawn Ryan?

  What's going on inside these camps?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Oh, well, they limp in from out of the jungle, except for the Chinese route. And they come in smiling a lot of times out of that route. And because they, it's an easier route and it's, you should see some of the videos. I've, I'll give them to you where the, where the, it's like a vacation video for Chinese. It's like, here we are getting on the boat at Nokocle. Here we are, and here we are with the friendly Indians and getting in a horse. You know, they actually have horses carry some of their stuff on the easy route. But what's it like in the Bajo Chiquito? Now, the rivers are their sewers, right? So they don't really have toilets per se. They did just put in some outhouses, which stink terribly. But in reality, they mostly use the river, right? So every, almost everybody just defecates in the rivers.

• 52:34Shawn Ryan?

  Reason, reason I'm asking is I want to know what the growth is like with the interest in the Darien Gap. That's what I'm getting at.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  The growth on

• 52:41Shawn Ryan?

  The growth in the, of the infrastructure and the three years that you've been going out.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  I would say at least, um, at least five times bigger or more, let's not just talk bigger, but also there is faster. So it's more efficient. As an example, in the past, when you would come through Bajo Chiquito, often you might be stuck there for a week, right? Or even two weeks. I mean, I would be out there and people would be like, yeah, I've been waiting for a boat for 12 days or whatever. You know, and they're like, I want to get on, there wasn't enough pirahuas. Now there are, right? So when you come out of the jungle, you sign in and a lot of people don't even have IDs. Nobody knows that they They lost them in the jungle or they didn't bring them to begin with. Yeah. And so now you get on a pradagua, the dugout canoe, you go about three hours. So you can literally come out of the jungle and get on a pradagua that day if you get the timing right.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  But if not, you spend the night and you go the next morning, right? So it used to be you might be stuck there for a week or more. But now you come out of the jungle, check in, go bathe in the river, get on a pradagua. Even if it's the next morning, now you go to Las Blancas camp. Las Blancas camp is the next camp. Again, you used to be stuck there for a week, two weeks. Now you get out of the pradagua, you can get on that bus. So it's more of a bus station than a camp now. The only people that get stuck there now are people that don't have money for the bus. And they'll keep them there. It's 60 bucks now for the bus from Las Blancas up to inside Costa Rica. So these are just basically holding camps? Holding just long enough to get on the bus. And so in reality, for a lot of people, I, we still, we still call them camps.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  But in reality, to be accurate on the words, we should really start calling them bus stations slash camps. It's camp for some people or overnight place for depending on what time of the day you come and what time. But in reality, the buses are running 24/7. You can get out the same day and you probably will. Once you get out, it's just so much faster now. It used to take, you could, you know, if you got to Colombia, let's say you fly to Bogota. Like there's people that fly from Istanbul to Bogota every day. And then from Bogota, it's a bus ride up to Nacocle, you get on the boat, you go over. Next thing you know, you're at one of these camps like Bajaj Kido or Las Blancas. It used, I mean, it could take you a month easily to get to United States, easily take you a month. Now we tracked one guy from Colombia to Brooklyn.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  It took him about 10 days and he had a driver's license. He was Chinese, right? Interesting. Yeah, he had, he literally went there and had a driver's license. Because a lot of the Chinese are coming into their own ecosystem. Like a lot of the people are coming in like Planet of the Apes, Pal Mel, they've got no organization. Not the Chinese, man. Chinese have an ecosystem within the ecosystem. They come in on their own pipelines. Many of the Chinese are coming up, they're growing marijuana. In Maine, you can see lots of articles about it now. They're growing marijuana in Oklahoma and Oregon and California, all over the place. They're using, growing huge amounts of marijuana. They're growing, they're, they're, they're smuggling fentanyl.

• 55:38Shawn Ryan?

  So, hold on, I, I, I know about this. So, are you saying that the Chinese are sending their people down to South America? They're going through the Darien Gap, up Central America, and that's how they're infiltrating into the US?

• 55:52Speaker 02

  Huge numbers.

• 55:53Shawn Ryan?

  Do they really need to do that? Or, I mean, is, can they just fly right into the US?

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Oh, a lot fly, and others go through Canada. So, mu- some are actually going to Mexico and taking a boat and going to Canada.

• 56:04Shawn Ryan?

  So, do you know what, what differentiates, like, if you're a

• 56:10Shawn Ryan?

  Chinese national coming to the US to do harm? How do you know whether you're gonna come, go direct to the US, go to South America and up through the Darien Gap? Or, or south and from Canada?

• 56:22Speaker 02

  I, I don't know how they make their determinations, uh, but they do somehow. Some do, if, if they can fly straight to Mexico, they'll do that. They've told us that many times. You know, the people that can't fly straight to Mexico, they have to find another way to get in. Some people come in on student visas. I mean, they would rather not go through the Darien Gap, you know? Uh, but other people, almost all the Chinese can get through Quito. But they're, a lot of them have brand new passports. How you getting brand new Chinese passports? You can see that, if you look online, you'll see the Chinese consulate in Mandarin, what was about a year and a half ago or so? They were saying Chinese, uh, nationals can come and get new passports if they've lost their passports through irregular means, right?

• 57:03Speaker 02

  So, I mean, literally, their support, the Chinese government is openly supporting them to get new pa- because, you know, if you go to the Mexican side, in some places, there are burn barrels on the Mexican side. Chinese are throwing their documents in, right? Now, a lot of the other people just throw them on the ground. The Chinese, they have OPSEC, man, they have document security and everything. They, they pay attention to details. They, you know, they have, uh, they have their own networks, right? So, the Chinese, what are they doing? Many are coming for this reason or that reason. I don't know what all they're coming for, but they're, they're clearly mostly military age males, right?

• 57:36Shawn Ryan?

  See, when you say military age male, that makes me... Think that you believe they're coming here to invade in a fight? Is that what you're saying?

• 57:47Speaker 02

  I think it's pretty obvious, and I think if you come down with your background, I'm not gonna need to say a word. I'm just gonna need to take the horse to water and be quiet and let you watch.

• 57:54Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that's how China?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  You tell me what you think.

• 57:56Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that's what their plan is?

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Straight up, straight up. They don't hide it. They hide it. They don't hide it at all. There's a book, Unrestricted Warfare, which you've probably read. Uh, you know, they, some of them actually say it. Most of them will not, but okay, okay, here's one example. A guy named, this was about a year, this was last year, 2023. So there's this one place that I wait where they often come out in the dry season and they emerge at nighttime. And as you know, the best time to get people to talk is at nighttime when they're alone, right? So there's this one place, I'll wait for them to come walking out of the jungle and they come out and, uh, and it's on the way to San, it's on the way to the China camp. So they're all walking by and I'll say, ni hao, that sort of thing. Well, that night,

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Masako Ganaha actually approached one, as did a couple of other people I was with, and they're making video and this one guy got quite angry, right? And he's like, and some of this is on video and audio, right? And he's, you know, like, turn that off, turn that off. And one of the guys I was with unfortunately said, you're a spy. He just like, he was a young guy. Anyway, so, but the next thing you know, we're sitting at this table with this guy for an hour and a half, right? His name's Liu Shanjiao. He's itching, he's scratching. He just came through, um, Kanamembrio. And Kanamembrio is what, is the village deep in the jungle on the, on the, that's where most of the Chinese come through. Most of the Chinese don't go through Baojiequido. They go through the different easier route at Kanamembrio. And so it's called Kanam Village. It's on the Membrio River, right?

• 59:25Speaker 02

  And so in Kanamembrio, there are these bugs that the Membra call Morongoi. I hate those things. I've never seen them anywhere else in the world. They eat you alive, man. We should napalm that village. I used to joke with the Membra Indians, we're gonna come back and napalm this. Why do you live here? These, these bugs, they make you, they're terrible. But he came out of the jungle and he's itching and he's scratching and he's like, he was in that emotion. State, right? And he actually had a poncho on. And so anyway, we get him at the table, get him calmed down. He was very angry. And as you know, if you can get him calmed down from that emotional state, he just kept rambling for an hour and a half.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  And he goes, uh, well, he goes, uh, uh, I, uh, I went to the Bahamas. I bought a boat for us from a Scotsman for $5,000 in NASA. Right? And as you know, there's a giant Chinese embassy in Bahamas. It's a huge embassy, right? They're clearly using Bahamas. We got people from China coming up on the Florida shores, Jupiter Beach and Miami and everywhere else, every single day. Right? And he said he bought a boat. He ran out of fuel. He was with his father and, uh, and he said he was adrift. His English was very good. He, I'm guessing he went to Lu Yang, which you may have heard of that. That's where they do their spy school, right? I'm guessing he was MSS, Ministry of State Security. You know, their CIA. I'm just guessing. I don't know.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  But he was very good in English. His body language is good. He was like, hey, man, he was, you know, he was using vernacular and, uh, but he did, he, he was, he was a little off. He wasn't perfect yet, but, uh, but he was heading to Florida. So he said he was adrift at sea. And, um, he said the US Coast Guard picked him up, right? And they deport, he somehow got deported back to the Bahamas. Now I was able to confirm the Coast Guard definitely picked him up. That was a fact, right? So he was, uh, somehow deported back to the Bahamas. They were deporting him to China, connected in Cuba. This is what he told us. And he then, uh, uh, changed his flight and went to Quito, Ecuador, because Chinese can get through Quito. Then he took the China route and we intercepted him as he came out of the jungle.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  And he look, he went on for a long time. So, uh, we got more information about him. I got his phone number. We were able to track back a lot of stuff, including what appears to be a military ID that we got later, not through him, through other methods. And he appears to, to actually have been, uh, an officer in something. And bottom line is I'm guessing MSS and that's what some others guess, but I don't know.

• 1:01:55Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. So let's go back to the, the fighting age males. I want to take, we're really in the weeds on all this stuff right now. I want to lift it up to about a 30,000 foot view. What are they doing? What's the plan?

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Uh, I think, for instance, okay, let's rewind a little bit to the plan. Keep in mind, I have written three books on Chinese information war. I'm kind of dialed in on this. I've been to Tibet where they were kind of moved in and just took it. Some of it was kinetic, but mostly it was demographic, right? I was in Hong Kong for seven months until they kicked me out during the last spasm from 2019 to 20, right? And so, how did they take Tibet? Mostly demographic warfare. They Han Chinese moving in and supplanting the Tibetans who moved off to northern India. I've been up to northern India talking with them. A lot of Tibetans are in Hong Kong or they're in Oregon and California, right? They're all over the place with their prayer flags, but they're gone. Tibet is gone, essentially, right?

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  How did they take Hong Kong? They took Hong Kong, again, they were just bringing in like 100 to 150 Han Chinese per day. They were taking over key positions like professors, preachers, actually literal preachers, and politicians, of course, all policemen, you know, all the P's, you know? And doing, and just slowly taking over the cockpit. And so, they mostly did it demographically. They set conditions. As you know, with your background, you know all about setting conditions. This isn't about sparks and all that. This is about setting conditions. And Chinese are very patient about setting conditions. So they slowly just bring in the demographic waves, just enough, not enough that everybody

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  rises up and goes crazy, but you fill the bathtub, right? And so, that's what they did in Tibet. That's what they did in Hong Kong. That's what they're doing. I was just down in Honduras and I was in a place called Roatan. I was talking with a very interesting guy there. And I asked him, "Do you know anybody in the Honduran government that's been..." That's in Roatan's island in Honduras, right? And I said, "Do you know anybody who has been invited..." Somebody from the top levels of the Honduran government, military, whatever, who's been invited to China? And he said, "Actually, yeah, a friend of mine." So, who happened to be the top general in the Honduran military. In fact, he was like their chairman of the Joint Chiefs. So I said, "Oh, is he here? Can we invite him?" Right? He goes, no, he lives on the mainland near Tugu Sigalpa.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  I said, well, can we, can you call him up and ask him to dinner tomorrow night? So we flew him in. The next night, we had dinner with him for three or four hours, right? And he talked about how he was invited to China because his grandfather came into Honduras, Chinese, in like 1923, right? And so the what, these are called what they call overseas Chinese, right? So I'm going somewhere very important with this. They'll find these overseas Chinese. I had Masako Ganaha sit beside me, that Japanese journalist who's always Johnny on the spot. And she was, uh, you know, we'd talked about this quite a lot. They always invite you over. They'll have a parade for you. They'll show you the graves of your family and that sort of thing. He's like, oh, they invited me over. They had a parade for me. They showed me the graves of my family.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  And I was just, that's what they do, right? And it's what they, everywhere I go, that's what they do. And they get you want, he said, he's been to China, I think, seven times at this point. So they, th- those are what they call overseas Chinese. Now, there's a different type of recruitment that there's numerous different types. Another type is, uh, more archaeological and anthropological. For instance, we knew that there was an archaeological dig going on in Honduras. So that's the why, why we flew to Honduras, because the Chinese are doing an archaeological dig there and they're trying to persuade the Mayan Indians that they're actually, they came over on the land bridge and they're actually Chinese. And all these bad white people came and took your land, the Spanish, wherever, the Germans, whoever, took your land, right? It's, but we're all brothers and sisters, we're cousins, whatever, but we're all family

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  and we're going to take this stuff back. So interestingly, that, that Honduran general, we were talking about this in detail. He goes, their plan is not to attack you and take over the world. Their plan is to become the world. They're going to become this demographically. They're going to just slowly, that's what I saw in Tibet. That's what I see in parts of Thailand, the place where they want to build the Karakissma Canal. Chinese are moving down there, right? I'm seeing this everywhere I go. I'm watching it in Panama. I'm watching, it's happening in Honduras and it's happening in Guatemala. I was up in Guatemala looking at the same thing, right? And of course, the Guatemalans don't have quite the relationship with CC, with the, they don't have that relationship yet. Guatemala still has a tight relationship with Taiwan, right? As does Belize.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  In fact, we were, Masako Ganaha had an interview with the, um, The Taiwanese ambassador in Belize a few months ago, and I was there. And we were talking about these sorts of things. And you can see China is slowly taking all the ponds, all the little squares off the board so that Taiwan has no diplomatic cover anywhere, whether it's Haiti or Belize or Guatemala. They've already taken Panama from them and almost everybody else. Why is this even important? As soon as there's only, as soon as there's no countries at all that recognize Taiwan, that's it, you're closed down. You can't even travel as a sovereign country anymore. You're not gonna, you know, because right now they have the international cover because

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  you are recognized by some people, right? But yeah, this is coming, it's coming hard for Taiwan. Interesting. I didn't, I did not piece that one together. Yeah, so they're slowly, Belize and Guatemala are important for various reasons. Those are the two countries that border Mexico on the south, right? And you know, another thing, by the way, a lot of these people that are coming through the Darien Gap, they say, you know, they're from Nepal and places like that, and India. I spent a year in India, I spent a year in Nepal, I spent a year in and around China. Why are all these Chinese coming through that are like, I'm fleeing persecution? And yet they still have such diplomatic cover from the United States. Why is a country that we allow people in because they claim that their country is persecuting them or even prosecuting them?

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  And yet we still treat China like they're our best buddies in trade and whatnot, right? I can answer that. Yeah, we know the answer. It's called elite capture. That's exactly what it is. Do you know who Peter Schweizer is? What's that? You guys gotta meet. Do you know Peter Schweizer? I don't know him personally. It's totally elite capture, like that Hunter and General I'm talking about, right? So there's that, there's the elite capture in that way. You know, the, well, there's elite capture for people that are not Chinese of descent at all. And then there's the overseas Chinese. You can see films now in the United, I read a book about three years ago, I guess, about building the transcontinental railway in the United States. And the book was written by Gordon Chang.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  And I messaged to Gordon Chang, I was with Gordon Chang, the Fox commentator, I was with him in, in Hong Kong and whatnot. And, and, and, and, and, and so I said, oh, this is a great book, Gordon. I was surprised. I didn't know you wrote this. He goes, oh, that's the other Gordon Chang. So I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. Cause the book was all about basically how the Chinese were so important in building the transcontinental railway. Now I'm going somewhere with this. You can find, if you go on YouTube, you can find a video where this, this Chinese forest ranger at Yellowstone is saying, oh, the Chinese built the road here. They're basically setting the conditions in the Chinese minds that America is ours. All the people that came through on the Bering Straits, they're saying that's ours.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  All the Navajo, all the, you know, all the, everybody, all the Indians, whether it's Embera, Kuna, Apache, it doesn't matter. They're saying they are old descendants of Chinese and this is our land. From the top of Alaska, all the way down to the tip of South America, all the Americas are Chinese. And you see them moving in everywhere, becoming these places, right? Slowly supplanting the local people, brainwashing them. We were just in El Salvador, in San Salvador, right? I always go to libraries. I always go to museums. I've been to museums all over the world, Malaysia, Indonesia, long list. I'm looking for clues on the information. Always watch your, your enemy's information game, right? You know, uh,

• 1:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's, it's pretty public now. I mean,

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Shawn Ryan?

  you saw what they just throw a huge ceremonial parade in California when Xi Jinping came. You saw that, I'm sure.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was publishing way in advance that they're gonna make San Francisco their capital in the United States. I published this many times, I said, and that's why I go to San Francisco sometimes. I know that's where they're gonna do it.

• 1:10:38Shawn Ryan?

  On top of that, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I just read an article the other day that California just elected its first non-citizen government official who happens to be Chinese.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:54Shawn Ryan?

  Have you seen that?

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  No, but you see these Chinese police stations all over the world. Like, we've been to one in Dublin and London, and they're in the United States, they're everywhere, right?

• 1:11:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, what do they say, if, once it hits forty percent of the population, that it turns? They make their own laws, make their own rules.

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  It'll be less than forty with those guys.

• 1:11:14Shawn Ryan?

  Is it?

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, because they're already, they already, the Chinese Communist Party demands allegiance with anybody from, with Chinese genes, right? You know, again, let me go back to something I was gonna say, and then I'll go into this. I could literally go on, I could teach a university course on this. I've written three books on it, right? I mean, we were just up in, in, in San Salvador, the capital of El Salvador, right? It's a safe place, I recommend people go there on vacation. But one thing that's quite interesting, though, is all these people from these places, they say, are war-torn or impoverished, they're, they're passing by Starbucks. There's, we were in San Salvador, there was a Starbucks on one side of the street and on the other side of the street.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  I'm like, so all these impoverished people are going through all these countries that Americans moved to, right? Americans moved to Panama and Costa Rica, and a lot of them actually moved to Honduras, believe it or not. And, and now people are moving to El Salvador, but all, they're all passing through all these places, right? But, um, but, uh, anyway, I, I'll, let me tell you about the, the library. I was gonna mention, I always go to libraries, museums, archaeological digs, because this is where you can pick up the trailhead on information war, right? And so, um, in El Salvador, in San Salvador, there's, there's a new library, it's not quite finished, but you can get into it, it's seven floors, right?

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  And so, we waited in line for about forty-five minutes, there's a Chinese Communist Party flag, CCP flag waving right out front. I mean, it's right at the top, right next to the El Salvador flag, right? And, uh, we went in there, and it's seven floors, and I kept asking, where's the section on like physics and engineering and time management, MBA stuff? You know what I mean, history? And, you know, finally, we get to about the sixth floor, yeah, sixth floor, but mostly, it's just video games and that sort of thing. So you have to get what's called a key to knowledge. That's the library card. So if you want to check out, if you want to play the video games, like they have all these video games like Batman and Game of Thrones and all this child stuff, right?

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  And but if you want to play the video games, you have to read a book for 30 minutes. And then they'll, you know, credit your key to knowledge. And and then you can go play the video games for an hour. You know, as you can imagine, whatever book they put in your hand. And they say you you have to take some little test on the book and, you know, there it's library warfare. I call that library warfare. There's a museum warfare, archaeological warfare. I just call it these things because there's no name for it. And I see it all over the world. They'll come in and they'll say like the archaeologists that are now in Honduras and they'll say, hey, you know, well, look, this, look at these, these pots and potteries. These are, this is what was made, you know, when I was in Tibet, you know.

• 1:13:55Shawn Ryan?

  This is what was made what?

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Back in China.

• 1:13:59Shawn Ryan?

  So what are the, what are this the archaeological warfare?

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  Oh, they try to persuade you that you're, here's how it works. Uh, they'll come in and they'll, you know, dig some stuff up and say, well, this is actually, you know, from so and so back in this is from this era in China. And actually, you are part of us. And they, you know, have these genetic tests and and then and then they start bringing them in like you're actually our cousins. You helped build the Great Wall of China. You did all these great things and da da da da da. And then these, and then you came across, you fought your way down, you know, and and survive like, you know, basically good Chinese. And then these Spanish people and conquistadors and whatnot came and took it away from you, right? This is our land. We were the first ones here, right? That's how they, that's how they roll. And it.

• 1:14:44Shawn Ryan?

  What was the other one? You had the library, archaeological, and what was the other one? There was three.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Museum.

• 1:14:49Shawn Ryan?

  Museum.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  And statues as well. So what they'll do is, let's say with statues, because this works the same way as the archaeological, like statues, they'll put up a statue somewhere, like say a comfort women statue in Glendale, California. Now, the Koreans are running that, but I've been there quite a lot. And that's a, but they, but they'll come and they'll, they'll put up a statue and they'll get a lot of press around the statue, right? There'll be a website for it. They'll raise money for it. They'll start bringing journalists there. Like if you go to Jeju Island down in South Korea, there's a big island off of South Korea called Jeju Island. They got these big museums there. I've looked at them. They bring in entire plane loads of journalists, come in, get them all souped up drunk, you know, and take them and show in the museums and, and I've, I've watched them do

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  that, you know, it's, it's just amazing. They literally will invite a bunch of, you know, all, all inclusive, you know, come on down from Seoul or come in from Japan, come from Los Angeles, come and see, you know, come and visit, you know, uh, Korea. And so now they've got all the journalists and they take them to the museums and the next thing you know, their articles come out. And, and you know how this goes. It's, it's, it's the mockingbird thing, right? Or I call it, um, you know, cock, cock crows, right? And all the journalists are like cock, cock. One goes cock, cock, you know, basically shit, shit. Everybody's, you know, like flies that eat each other's vomit, right? As one sergeant major in Iraq said, these journalists are like flies. They all eat each other's vomit. You know, there's a lot of truth to that.

• 1:16:13Shawn Ryan?

  So let's go, let's go, let's move to Maine now. You were starting to talk about how Maine is being taken over by Chinese marijuana farmers. What is going on there?

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you can look it up and there's a lot of articles coming out now and, uh, they've, uh, I mean, US authorities, I think have reported, uh, nationally, they may have captured 700,000 pounds of marijuana last year from, from, uh, I could be wrong on that. I should be careful, but they've captured a lot of, uh, marijuana from Chinese last year, right?

• 1:16:44Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean? It's legal up there?

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's, I, I don't know that, let me be careful. I'm gonna, I'm gonna run quiet on this, but the bottom line is there's a lot of problems with the Chinese, right? And so, and, and, and, uh, and it's, it's increasing. Like they're, they're growing marijuana everywhere, right? Now it's a cash crop, of course, so you can, you can run your, you can run your war on this. Look at the opium in Afghanistan, right? I wrote a series of dispatches, I think it was two or three in 2006 in Afghanistan called The Perfect Evil, right? And it was all, and if you read my 2006 dispatches from Afghanistan, I left Iraq, I went to Afghanistan and I would go back and forth. Between those two wars, but as soon as I stepped foot in Afghanistan in two thousand and six,

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  back when everybody thought we won the war, you know, it was clear that we hadn't won the war. And I, and I start and, and I published those articles called the perfect evil, where they're using the, the, the opium money to run the war, right? It's an old formula, right? Actually, when you talk to the Afghan farmers, I spent two years in Afghanistan. I spent a year alone and I spent a year with US, British and Lithuanian and other forces, right? So the year that I was alone, I never got shot at, by the way, when I was alone. Everybody would say, you're crazy. And I'm like, you guess what? The only time I get shot at is when I'm with you. I've never been shot at alone, not even once, you know? And so who's crazy? I mean, I'm with you and the, the vehicles are on fire upside down, you know?

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  And so, but I'm, I'm, I'm alone out with these people and I'm going to their farms. And, uh, and, and they're just farmers. And you, you talk with them and they're like, we would rather be growing grapes. We would rather be growing pomegranates. Well, why aren't you growing pomegranates? I'd always ask them the same questions. There are specific reasons for it. Back during the Russian war, they destroyed many of the Krez systems. The Krez systems are the underwater, underground, um, water systems. They're aqueducts, sort of, not aqueducts, but they're underground. They're very difficult to build. It's very sophisticated, right? So if you're flying over Afghanistan, they're on the ground. It's easier when you're flying over, you see those little anthills, right? They look like anthills. They're like, you know, the, the single hole anthill that has like a crater.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Those, you'll see them, they're lined. Those are along under, and they'll come from, from like a draw in a mountain, right? Or a valley, because that's where the water collects. They will build those. They can be 50 miles long, right? And when the holes are closer and closer together, that means the underground river is more and more shallow, right? So those Krez systems though, they can go miles, right? And that's why you see a lot of these villages way out in the middle of the desert and there's no river around. Because they got a Krez system, which could have taken literally a century to build, right? Uh, and so, so they'll have, you know, they'll get the first village and then over time this, it just gets longer and longer, right? So the Soviets came in, you can use these Krez systems to store weapons or to, you know,

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  travel four miles and go shoot somebody and then go back into your hole. So I found this Soviet manual, uh, and it was showing how to, you know, destroy Krezes. They're easy to detect. I mean, they're really obvious, right? And actually, some of the Afghans use them as air conditions. They have the house built right on top of it. The thing, air conditions are house. Their houses are more air condi-, they're more comfortable than a house in Florida, right? I mean, you can't make up this stuff. They know how to live out there. But the, so the Soviets came in and they were blowing up these things. And they were, they were, because if you blow up that Krez system, you're, you're actually destroying, you know, a lot of their pomegranates and that sort of thing. And often they would also cut down their pomegranates. They would cut down their, their vineyards and whatnot. And so then they started growing opium. They started growing

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  opium because it uses, I think, one-third of the water, if I'm accurate. The DEA guys would be able to fact check me on that. I think it's about one-third. They're much more hardy. It's also a cash crop, right? Now, if you're growing grapes, they make more money on grapes, which they turn into raisins usually. Their grapes in Afghanistan are unbelievably good. But they, they, but, you know, with that, with, let's say if you grow tomatoes, you have to pick the tomato, sell the tomato, right? And it's worth that much, right? But if you make, if you grow opium, which is harder, they don't like to do it, and they don't make as much money. Actually, the farmers don't make as much money. But now you've already cut down their pomegranate trees, you've cut down their vineyards, you've messed up their Krez systems, right? And so they start growing opium. And so,

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  uh, and also with the opium, the, the value density, this much opium, that's worth a lot of money. This much tomatoes is, or grapes is, you know, not worth as much. And so, so they, but, uh, but it's worth, it's worth more to them locally. But as you know, on the value chain, as you sell that opium up the chain and it ends up on the streets of London, a lot of people make a lot more money on it. It can fund the war, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? So that's why they do the opium. That's why I wrote that series of dispatches called The Perfect Evil, because even, as you know, the more of these drugs like fentanyl that you flood on the streets, People, it creates its own demand. It's a perfect evil. And then you use that to fund the war. You literally destroy the people while you're funding the war.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  And that's why I keep mentioning the people that are pushing marijuana and whatnot out there. They're literally doing the job for the Chinese, right? They're literally like helping them fund the war against us. There are literally people, thousands, thousands of Americans are dying every month from fentanyl poisoning. And, and the Chinese are doing that. Jason Jones is a good guy to talk with about this. Uh, Jason Jones is quite, uh, dialed in on this, actually. I don't know if you know Jason.

• 1:22:20Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, we've covered this, this portion extensively on this show several times where we talk about how China's bringing in chemists to teach the cartels how to make the world's deadliest fentanyl. They're sending in the supplies. They're doing, I mean, they've built the infrastructure.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  They will, you know this better than anybody. I don't need to tell you, but some of those other guys don't quite get it, right? And, uh, and we got the weaponized migration, which will kill us in and of itself. Regardless of all the other stuff, that will kill the United States. That's a kill shot, right? We've got the chemical warfare. We got the economic side, which is quite serious, right? We've got, you know, they can cut off our electricity. I think, I mean, we've all talked about that a lot. We're obviously quite vulnerable on a lot of different fronts, not to mention these smart cities. Uh, that, you know, the fascist state, which we clearly have now, uh, is growing. And again, go back to Netherlands. They're clearly using the weaponized migration.

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  You see Soros, by the way, before he was Mr. Open Borders, was Mr. All drugs should be legalized. It's not a coincidence, right?

• 1:23:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  This is literally weakening our base so that we can be attacked, right? Also, the drugs and whatnot make you much more vulnerable to information, to brainwashing, right? Like for instance, you look at 1984, soma, right? You'll read the book Rape of the Mind from 1956 from a, a Dutch psychologist named Juist Merlo, right? He talks about that. You, if you see what happened during the pandemic lockdowns, couldn't go to church, couldn't go to weddings, couldn't go to funerals, couldn't get with your families. But you can go get all the alcohol you want. You can smoke dope all you want. Cause that makes you more vulnerable to the message, right? If you're gonna train animals, if you're gonna train people, you wanna separate them from their, their power base.

• 1:24:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, let's, um, Michael, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I wanna start diving into, you got a lot of information on an oncoming famine. So we'll dive into that.

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• 1:26:28Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Michael, we're back from the break. And now I want to dive into some of the stuff. You've been talking about a famine coming and setting the stage. So I know this goes back to your time in the Netherlands. How does that tie in?

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  Right, or actually, yeah, that's why I went to Netherlands. Now, in 2020, that was the first time I started warning about potential famine. Because I could see conditions were starting to be set for that, right? And it's all about conditions.

• 1:27:00Shawn Ryan?

  You noticed this in 2020?

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I was publishing it like almost daily back then. Get ready for it. Get ready for famine, because it's clearly conditions. It's a long flash to bang. And so I've been studying it quite a lot. I read a couple dozen books on it now and on famine. I read more than 60 on pandemic. But I'd read about 40 before the pandemic. Because pandemic, famine, and war, they go together. They're triangle. So you see patterns, you see. And if you get a big war, you always get famine and you always get pandemic. If you get a big pan, I mean, a big one. If you get a big pandemic, a very serious one, you'll always get famine and war, right? They just go together, like the triangle of death. So I was talking about this in this interview.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  And a reader, she called up, she was kind, and she's like, you talk about this as if you made it up. And I said, I did. She said, no, it's in the Bible, the four horsemen, right? I was like, yeah, you're right. I literally have plagiarized the Bible. Like, if you're gonna plagiarize, I guess, go big. But I mean, but they knew it 2,000 years ago. So all these patterns, nothing's changed. I've started to look at the Bible as like a survival manual.

• 1:28:08Shawn Ryan?

  You and me both.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  I mean, seriously, it's like, it was, it's all there. Nothing's new under the sun, right? I mean.

• 1:28:15Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of the stuff that's happening today.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:28:19Shawn Ryan?

  Is talked about in the Bible.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  It's just, it's there, you know, it's like, you know, they, the only thing they didn't have was iPhones or something, but they saw the human patterns. They knew the human behaviors, the, the pursuit of, of money is the root of all evil. How's that, you know, I mean, the huge amount, what we see, the problems now is people just going for the dollar, right? I mean, it's all there, right? And so, yeah, so I saw the, as you know, it's about conditions, you know, when people, you know, amateur hours, often people are asking me, what will the spark be that does such and such? And I don't mean amateur hour in a diminutive way, but I'm just saying, you know, one thing I learned when I was in the military is I was fortunate enough to be in the same sort of unit that you were,

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  and we were around very serious officers and NCOs. And they were, a lot of them were serious history buffs, right? And what would they often say? It's all about conditions, set conditions for success, or you're setting conditions for failure. And, and you, and it's, it's not about sparks, it's not about, it's a spark that caused the war. It's not, or a spark that, you could have a 747 filled with fuel, crash into the Darien Gap today, and there's not going to be a forest fire. It's going to burn a big hole, and it's going to burn until the fuel's gone and it'll be out. There's no conditions for a giant forest fire in the Darien Gap. It'll just be gone. And so, but if, you know, but some little kid with a bottle rocket in California,

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  you end up with a town burning down from, you know, a cigarette, right? It's about conditions, it's the same with the famines that are coming. Now, let's rewind in history. As you know, today, we have a lot more technology than we had in the past. I mean, that's to state the obvious. And one of those is nitrogenous fertilizers. Now, as the populations on Earth grew, people started using, for instance, fertilizer, they used to use guano, bird guano. In fact, we had a, forgotten the name of the act, but there was a, a sort of a guano island act. I've forgotten the name of it, but if somebody found an island that was, you know, mostly guano, anywhere in the world, the US military would come with full force and guard. That island because we would use that there was I mean there's wars fought over guano.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Right. Because that was the original nitrogenous fertilizer. Right. So now as populations grew and we cut off Germany from the night uh from from guano and whatnot. And by the way, guano is believed to be what caused what led to at least the potato famine in Ireland that started in roughly eighteen forty five. People argue about that, but and ended in maybe nine years. They argue about when it started and ended, but it it it may have been some sort of disease that was in the back guano, but this is unclear, but that's a separate story. But the bottom line is the Germans, as you know, are quite serious about science and they have been for a long time. And they had serious chemists and that one was named Fritz Haber.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  And Fritz Haber in nineteen oh three wrote a book on uh he thought that you could take hydrogen off of the natural gas. This is very important and you could combine it with the nitrogen that we're breathing and make ammonia. Right. And with that ammonia, you could make explosives, right? And you could make fertilizers. And so both, right? So but it was very difficult to do it. So he theorized it in that book on thermodynamics. And then in nineteen oh three and then in nineteen oh eight, he actually made a little bit, right? And but it was difficult. He was a good guy at little stuff, but not. So that's when Karl Bosch came along. Karl Bosch is another German chemist and he was able to take that really smart idea and make it industrial.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  That's why it's now called the Haber-Bosch process. Fritz Haber came up with the idea. Karl Bosch took it corporate and they started at Ludwigshof in Germany at BASF plant, right? The BASF plant BASF is the this is really important. So I hope everybody's paying attention because this is all going to come together. The BASF plant at on the Rhine River dumps out at. Rotterdam. And interestingly, so they started making the nitrogenous fertilizers there in 1914, right? Same year the Panama Canal opened, right? Coincidentally.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  And so the population on Earth started to explode, partly because of increased trade. The ships were bigger, the ships were faster, the trains were bigger, refrigeration, all kinds of things. But a huge one was nitrogenous fertilizers, right? So other companies started to make nitrogenous fertilizers. A huge component of these nitrogenous fertilizers, though, is natural gas, because you need that hydrogen, right? You can make it other ways, but in reality, it's natural gas, right? And so, now, I, one of the reasons I've been so accurate on the wars, and that's what I'm actually known for, is being accurate way ahead of time, is because when I was a kid, I was pretty much addicted to physics, right?

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  I always thought I would grow up to become a physicist, and somehow I grew up to be in the Darian Gap. But, you know, so it's kind of a, it's only in America can you do these like wild go around Pluto and loop back and land on Mars, you know? And so, and so, but that, that, you know, trained my way of thinking, right? Reading people like Richard Feynman and whatnot, and all these physicists, and, and, you know, not teaching you what to think, but how to, you know, to develop ways of thinking that you can try to arrive at truth, right? That's why I love physics so much. Actually, I started loving chemistry, and I was like, no, that's just chemistry. Physics is where I can find the truth, right? And so, and that's why I spent so much time on that. And, but one of the things I've

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  learned from reading those guys so many years, especially when I was younger, was if you have a theory, I call it the paradigm, and it's inaccurate, then you either have to tweak it or throw it out, right? Never get emotionally stuck on your ideas, right? It's just an idea.

• 1:34:19Shawn Ryan?

  Man, that's great advice, just for everybody today.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I learned it from those old physicists. They would be like, you know, so and so got stuck on his idea and basically he became a worthless scientist. You know what I mean? Because he became emotional about his idea. It's like you have to be, and Einstein never got that way, to my knowledge. I read a lot of his work and he never got stuck on his ideas. He was always like, you know, I'm probably wrong, I might be wrong about gravitational lensing or whatever. It turned out he was completely right about gravitational lensing and these sorts of things, right? And so anyway, so I just learned how to, and so I would write, when I was a teenager, I would write down, what's the percentage chance that I think, you know, I don't know, that bird's gonna take off in the next five minutes based on the time of day and all this stuff. And I'm just like, I don't know, 70, you know? And I would just start

• 1:35:07Speaker 02

  training myself to, to, you know, over time, I'd done that a lot, to the point where I was starting to get a little bit better at actually guessing things. So I thought that the Darien Gap might open up, and now it is, right? I thought that they might tear down the wall on the border, and I started publishing this immediately when Biden was installed. Now, they haven't torn it down, but what they have done is just leave it open, basically. It doesn't exist anymore, right? And all of this was accurate based on the paradigm. Now, the paradigm, I also thought,

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  they will, something will happen to Nord Stream. So I went to BASF twice, right? And on the second time, we're doing a tour of BASF, and I asked the guy, what happens if Nord Stream gets interrupted? Now, keep in mind, I had bought an iPad that was on a website that did nothing but watch the flows at Nord Stream. And so you could see minute by minute, it would update the flows, right? Because I expected, if my paradigm was right, that that natural gas would be interrupted, because I think they're trying to put this in famine, right? And so, we're in the plant at BASF in Ludwigsdorf in Germany. I said to the man that was giving us a tour, what happens if Nord Stream gets interrupted? He said BASF is dead.

• 1:36:19Speaker 02

  Well, it's not dead because shortly after that, months later, it was bubbling to the surface of the sea, right? And how did I get that right? Why was I publishing in advance? Something may happen to Nord Stream. And then it happened. Everybody's like, how'd you get that right? Did you have something to do with it? Nope. I just, that's what I think was going to happen. This, this, is that article out there? No, I would just put it like on Twitter and that sort of thing. So we can find it on Twitter? Oh, yeah. You can find it on interviews that I did. Why was I even at BASF? You know what I mean? Twice. Yeah. You know? Because there, that's where, that's where the Haber-Bosch process. Okay. So now, last March, I was in Netherlands again. They had elections and then I went to Groningen Gas Fields.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  That's the biggest gas field in Europe is in Netherlands. And I was publishing last March, April, and so I think they're going to close Groningen Gas Field. And people are like, you're crazy, they're not going to close that. They closed it. It's now closed. Why did I get it right? Not by going through every little fact and trying to figure out if he's right, she's right. Skip past all that nonsense. You'll get confused. It's confusing. What does the paradigm predict? That they're trying to put us into famine. If you're, if I'm trying to put us into famine, I'm going to start turning off all those natural gas switches. I'm going to reduce the nitrogenous fertilizers. Now, going into famine, there's many things that can cause famine, that can lead to famine. There's different types of famine.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Uh, for instance, uh, you don't really, interestingly, I found in a 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, people can find this. It's a 1910, 1911, I think, is, is that edition. I found it in a, in a friend's home in, in Texas. And I went right to F for famine. I wanted to see what they were saying about it. This is before Haber-Bosch process was, um, we're talking 1911. Remember, 1914 is when that actually started.

• 1:38:11Speaker 02

  And this article is very well-written, but it goes and it talks about, well, the big famines are probably over, probably won't be any more big ones now because we have faster ships, bigger ships, these sorts of things, bigger trains, faster trains. But, uh, but what they were wrong about was how evil man can be, because the biggest famines have been man-made, like by Stalin and the Holodomor, like by Mao, by so many of these famines. The 1845 to 1854 famine in Ireland was not all about the fungus and the ta- black potatoes, right? A lot of it was caused by the English cutting them off. Oftentimes, when you get into famine, you're, all these other conditions happen, and then your enemy exploits the, you know, cuts off your ports.

• 1:38:56Shawn Ryan?

  So with the famine that's coming, what do you advise people do to get ready for it?

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Well, one thing's for sure, it's not gonna be easy, uh, and especially if you live in a major city. Uh, you know, it, it, one, one Dutch man that survived the, uh, hunger winter, that was the hunger winter of 1944, 45, he said, you know, it doesn't matter if you have a rifle, because they're gonna come at you with, you know, 10, 20 men with rifles, right? You're not gonna defend your food with a rifle, you know, it's just not gonna happen. Uh, you're gonna have to, well, you're gonna have to be prepared in some ways. One of the things you'll find in famines is people hide food. Uh, actually, the, um, the, the, the KGB seems to have been a derivative of actually Stalin looking

• 1:39:46Speaker 02

  for people hiding food, believe it or not, in, in Ukraine, believe, in, in the Holodomor. It, it's interesting, because people found so many clever ways to hide food, you know, they would have a, a garden that really doesn't produce much, but underneath it, that's how they cover up the burying, you know, of the digging and that sort of thing. But, um, uh, and actually, uh, the bottom line is, is everybody is gonna have to have a different solution. I mean, if you live in Manhattan, I think you're crazy. I mean, because, you know, straight up, I mean, what are you gonna do in Manhattan when everybody's hungry?

• 1:40:24Speaker 02

  I mean, people go to cannibalism within two weeks, easy. Uh, not everybody. Some people starve to death and never do it, but others go straight to it instantly. And, uh, and, uh, and a lot of these people coming in, by the way, through the Darien Gap. I mean, these are people that come from places where they do, they still do. By the way, cannibalism does still exist on planet Earth. I assure you, I don't have to assure you, you know that. But, but a lot of these people coming in are not quite the same as the people that your neighbor. Uh, and, uh, and, and, and, and the moment they get hungry, they're coming into your house. Right? Or the moment almost anybody gets hungry, they're gonna be coming into your house. Yeah, once desperation hits. Everybody's gonna have to have their own solution. Uh, but it's gonna have to be community-based.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  You know, you're, I mean, one of the things, um, one, uh, retired military man told me, uh, down in Texas, he started to arrange his community around his church. He went to church and he started taking an inventory of everybody's skills, like, you know, what, you know how to do roofs, you know how to do plumbing, you know how to do electric, whatever, right? So that way, everybody knows who knows how to do what and start pulling them together as a community, working with radios, figuring out how to keep communication with each other and that sort of thing. All the, all the stuff that would take to make a small community, right? And, uh, one, one older woman, she's a widow. She, she's like, I don't have any skills. I just raised my children and my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren.

• 1:41:51Speaker 02

  He's like, yeah, you've got, well, if you raised that many generations of kids, you've got a lot of skills. And, and, uh, and she, he's like, no, just tell me what, what do you, how did you raise them? She's like, oh, I can food. And he's like, that's it. All right, you're, you're in charge of canning operations. You know, so what I want you to do is tell me what you need. Tell me everything you need and, and then I'll get it. I'll make it appear and you start teaching the young people how to can. So set up a community. That's right. And just like, everybody has some, if their heart's in the right place, they have a job, right? And, and but then it takes the leaders, obviously, to pull them together and get everybody, you know, working in their right ways and that sort of thing. And but you're, you're not going to make it through without a community, right?

• 1:42:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:32Speaker 02

  And, and you're going to have to be able to defend yourself, obviously. But we have a predatory government. One, another thing that I've noticed in famines, and this is important, is um, the governments always go after the farmers. They are, and every, every famine I've read about, they always, they always blame the farmers, too. They always say, oh, it's the farmers, you know, it's the Amish people's fault for something. You know what I mean? It's whoever's fault. They're the ones gouging you for prices or whatever, right? And then they come and then they take over those facilities and nobody can knows how to farm like the farm. That, that's one of the things I wanted to say one, finish what I was thinking about the Dutch. A lot of those farmers who have been farming or fishing that land or water for so many years, they know exactly when to

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  plant, like, you know, well, when the last snow melts and that little crease over there, that's when we plant. You know, it's very local knowledge. And that's one of the ways they get such uh, high production from the land. First of all, it's partly scientific, you know, increased, you know, uh, scientific methods, but they know their patch of turf very well, you know? When the crickets come out, it's time to do X. You know what I mean? It's very, but if you take them away from that land, they're not going to be as good a farmer if you put them in Kansas. They're certainly not going to be a good farmer, I'm sure, but you know what I'm saying?

• 1:43:51Shawn Ryan?

  I do.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  They gotta fight their own terrain.

• 1:43:54Shawn Ryan?

  So, for the people that are listening, that we've just scared the hell out of with the famine, best thing is for them to build community?

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  Build community, definitely. And you need enough, you need a way to defend yourself. And, and again, I mean, if you live in a city, I don't know what advice to give you other than get out.

• 1:44:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  I mean,

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Would that cause the cities to empty out? I mean, look what's hap- look, look, look who's moving into New York. People that don't speak English, they don't even know how to flush a toilet. I assure you, you know, I spend most of my life in these other countries and some fish don't mix well in the same aquarium. There's cultures that just don't go well together, right? Bottom line, you know, you put a, you know, some sort of fish with the goldfish, bye bye goldfish, you know, and, and that's what's gonna happen.

• 1:44:46Shawn Ryan?

  Well, get out of the city. But,

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  I hate to say it, but I mean, that's what I would do.

• 1:44:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Well, Michael, I just, I really appreciate everything you're doing. You just gave a ton of knowledge, especially when it comes to the Darien Gap, what the CCP is up to and the oncoming them. And, and I just want to say thank you for coming here and getting the info out.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  Thank you for being so patient. It was, as you know, kind of challenging to get our schedules to meet up. I've been trying hard and we did it.

• 1:45:18Shawn Ryan?

  Well worth it. Well worth it. But, and I hope to get down there with you soon.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  I'm waiting for you.

• 1:45:23Shawn Ryan?

  Down in Darien Gap. All right, brother. Be safe.