Newsom Wildfire Response, Zuckerberg & Rogan, Trump Frees 33 Hamas Hostages | PBD Podcast | Ep. 533

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover Mark Zuckerberg's appearance on Joe Rogan, Gavin Newsom's disasterous wildfire response, Steve Bannon goes to war with Elon Musk, and Trump helps free 33 Hamas hostages.👕2025 INAUGURAL MERCH: https://bit.ly/4fSrX6W🧢 NEW BOGO VT HATS: https://bit.ly/3Yyc3ZS https://bit.ly/3Yyc3ZS?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=product_shelf👕 GET THE LATEST VT MERCH: https://bit.ly/3BZbD6l📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:14Speaker 02

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• 1:26Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, um, wrap episode, what number are we on? 533. 533. Okay, lots going on, guys. One good news to give to you guys, last Tuesday, was it Tuesday or Thursday? Thursday, we announced that any of the new gear that we had, the limited offering that came out, we were going to put 100% of it to California wildfire, people who were affected by it. Due to you and your support, $108,000 was raised. 100% of what we sold that day will be going to families. A lot of people have already been menacred me. We want to make these calls. I want to FaceTime them and find ways to make these peoples they slightly better. So if you have anybody else that's going through, we got a list of them right now. Some of them are even, uh, folks that...

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  We've known from Vinny has a couple of friends that he is suggesting and anybody else you may know, you can connect any one of us, Vinny, Tom, Adam, myself. We want to make those calls fairly as soon as possible because some of them need the resources ASAP. So again, very happy about that taking place, $108,000 that we raised collectively together. Begin some of the stories here. Obviously, there's a lot more things that are coming up with the LA wildfire. You saw the number right now, I think it's 24 total death toll I saw earlier this morning. And I think the damages right now is 250 billion dollars of damages. And at the same time, the winds, I spoke to a bunch of friends yesterday, the winds for today.

• 2:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Everyone's praying for this week on what's going to be happening with fire, with the winds that are coming in. They're worried that it's going to get worse, but God willing, everything's going to work out. There's a lot of different stories. I saw a story about Michael Johnson, the four-time gold medalist, the way he went about trying to protect his home. There's another insurance company, the story that came out on December 16th, Wall Street Journal wrote about it. And I looked at different ways of preventing this from happening in the future. New insurance company, a lot of people are asking me saying, who do I go to? My insurance got canceled. We got a bunch of things with fire that we'll discuss here today. Stories on Newsom, stories on Schiff, stories on video, stories on Karen Bass, the mayor finally responding, but an uncomfortable response.

• 3:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Khloe Kardashian, imagine you got almost a half a billion followers and your, your name, your brand that you guys have built up together, you're Hollywood, okay? And you're so sick of it that you finally said, I am flipping fed up that the market now reacts, how could you say something like this? And she's like, what are you talking about? This is insane. This is our livelihood. We're part of the city. We'll talk about that as well. Looters trying to capitalize with all the stuff that's going on. There's videos all over the place with looters trying to get in, steal. They see this as an opportunity and we'll definitely highlight what happened there. In regards to another story of what happened with the money that they took back from Daily Caller, gay choirs, trans cafes and social justice art,

• 4:17Patrick Bet-David?

  what LA spent money on while cutting its fire budget? You tell me if that's a good idea. Insurance stocks tumble as LA fires threaten record losses. California bans insurance cancellation in LA fire affected areas. Trump trolls Harris by posting a parody conversation between him and Obama. It's pretty funny. You gotta see it. By the way, if you ever, let's just say in the future, you have a job and you become a judge. Let's say you're a judge, okay? Don't ever text a picture of a ankle bracelet, the monitor, the ankle monitors. You showed me this earlier, right? Don't ever text that to the wrong person and then get in trouble for it and get fired.

• 5:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Again, just, just feedback for people. Rob, if you got the picture, I don't know if you have it or not. If you don't, this, this is, this is called double dumb. A judge texts this to a friend, called him my very first ankle, what? Monitor, okay? And it's a white judge texts this out, right? Rob, where's the story with the white judge? Vinnie was showing me this earlier.

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's a Cook County Judge Carolyn Glennon Goodman. She was temporarily reassigned because she, this was leaked to the broader public last week.

• 5:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I'd like to know? I'd like to know how many this sold out. I'd like to know if it prompted like the product to sell out.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  No, no, Pat, they don't sell those. They don't sell those.

• 5:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You're joking?

• 5:37Speaker 04

  No, she just made, it's a meme that's been going around. Mike actually sent it to me.

• 5:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, kidding.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:41Patrick Bet-David?

  This tells you how connected I am to stuff like this. Okay. You got, that sense of humor is a very interesting sense of humor, but we got a laugh out of it.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:48Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, Musk versus Bannon. Steve Bannon lashes out at a billionaire, says he should go back to South Africa. That fight is really getting heated. And he called, he says Steve Bannon wants to take down the evil racist Musk. Interesting. This is happening all while we're eight days away from the, what is it? Inauguration, a few days away from the inauguration. There's a video Vinnie just showed me of our current.

• 6:15Speaker 04

  National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan.

• 6:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And when you watch this video, folks, he's getting up there saying, this is probably the last time you'll speak. You'll hear me speak, but I don't even want to tell you what he says. I want to get your reaction from it in the comments section. So wait till we play this clip for you. Mark Zuckerberg slams Apple on its lack of innovation and random rules. You know, there's a book written, Choose Your Enemies Wisely.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  I know that guy.

• 6:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I wonder if that's the right enemy he's choosing. We'll see. In one US town, residents are legally required.

• 6:48Patrick Bet-David?

  To own guns and ammo. Imagine you live in a city and they say, do you have a gun? No, you're getting a ticket today, buddy. You gotta go buy a gun, right? That's how that city rolls. Okay, TMC fourth quarter, TMS, uh, TSMC fourth quarter profit sees jumping 58% among strong AI chip demand. And again, this has to do with Taiwan. We'll cover that. That's a Reuters story. Sonos CEO, great first name, terrible ideas. Patrick Spence steps down after disastrous app launch and they replace him with a new CEO. And I'm not surprised that's taking place. It's about time they're doing it, but I hope they fix some of the things we'll talk about that. American Airlines focus on ESG and 401k plan

• 7:30Patrick Bet-David?

  is illegal. US judge rules. Thank God for that judge. Poll, only 16% Americans say Disney content is better than it was in the past. And we got a couple of other stories that came up from the addendum. LA Times owner says endorsing Karen Bass was a mistake due to incompetence. And then Gavin Newsom says already reimagining LA 2.0. Oh, wow, Gavin. So excited. LA 2.0, folks, this is just reimagine what the 2.0 could look like. Post wildfires, newer properties, right? About the, uh, just a strange way of selling it. He's got a Marshall Plan to rebuild. It's all about a land grab.

• 8:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, this is a story that came out from Sports Kita, uh, talking about Gavin Newsom's talks about potential property deals in LA following the wildfires. Michael Cohen pleads for, please Biden, uh, presidential pardon. I'm somebody's son also, meaning if you give it to your son, can I get it? Maduro makes a strange call. He calls for Puerto Rican invasion to liberate island from the US. Hamas expected to release 33 hostages in first phase of emerging deal, Israeli official says. And this is a CNN story. And didn't a guy that just won like an election a week ago said, I swear to God, if you don't release all the hostages?

• 8:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He said something.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  He threatened them.

• 8:52Patrick Bet-David?

  He seemed serious. Yeah, he seemed pretty serious. I don't know. I think it looks like that maybe they're believing him, but we'll see, we'll see. Hell on wheels. Killer who plowed car into wall murdering two. Whined about handcuffs during arrest. This is a video that came out.

• 9:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I believe it's because her boyfriend broke up with her. Is that, is that the story, Rob?

• 9:14Speaker 05

  Yes, according to reports, the, the two were in a relationship. Relationship ended, the man ended the relationship and then the girl killed the man and his friend in a vehicle. She crashed her vehicle into a wall going at excess speeds of 100 miles an hour.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  You should see the, the vehicle when they showed up, they didn't believe anybody was alive and then she was, she made it because she had a seatbelt on.

• 9:34Patrick Bet-David?

  China discusses sale of TikTok US ready to Elon Musk as one possible option. And Tom celebrates. Uh, but, uh, that, that part was just added. I've just given a hard time to Tom. Arson is spotted, uh, uh, starting California wildfire and a few other things that we got here. Anyways, um, folks, uh, for those of you that are excited about what's about to come up here, January 20th, and you support it, the president, the collection, the limited edition hats, the 250 sold out in no time. Uh, and everything else right there, there's limited supplies left. The red, uh, the, the blue, white and red, I think there's a few of those hats left. This is something you buy and just said, like, if you come into my office,

• 10:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I have the future looks bright hats from this theme of what we experienced. And I have it in my office. If you come and see them office, I have some of these hats in my office. This is something you buy, you sport, you wear, and then you set it aside in your house, in your office, because you will forever remember 2024, what it was like. And for some of you guys that supported it, thought it did it in your own way, this is a way for you to say, I contributed during 2024. Go order the gear and if you got friends, if you got angry patriot friends like Vinnie, and you go to them and say, I got a gift for you, you give them something like this, you put a smile on their face. Again, represent the brand. We got the shirts, we got the hats. Uh, I'll always say this. Numbers came back. We were trying to see what the number was going to be for 2025.

• 11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, 2024, we ended up having over 120,000 pieces of merch sold in 2024. Just three years ago was 600. Future looks bright is becoming a movement. We're gonna have a million people worldwide wearing this gear, representing it right now. Uh, uh, Mario was telling me, he was walking the other day having a shirt on at church. This is a guy looked at him and he just looked at him and pointed at the logo and they kind of winked and they walked off. The value attainment crew, when they see each other, it's a very interesting gang around the world.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  It's kind of like in the

• 11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Whether you know it or not, you're a part of it.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  It's kind of like in the movie Old School when they just, they know.

• 11:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Lie. Yeah, so whatever Adam said, folks. Go to BTmerch.com, place your order. And for those of you that have the families in California that are affected by it, we raised $108,000 on last Thursday. Well, we said 100% of it's going to go to families in California. If you know anybody, shoot me, Tom, Vinnie, or Adam a minute of a story and their phone number. We may just surprise FaceTime them and help them out. Okay. All right, let's get into the story here with everything that is taking place. California wildfires. Let's just go into that. The total death toll right now is 24. Damages, the number you see circulating right now is $250 billion.

• 12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  While this is going on, Gavin Newsom says he's already reimagining LA 2.0 post wildfire and that California needs a Marshall Plan to rebuild. While this interview is taking place, is this the one where the individual questions him? Is that a guy or?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  That's a guy. And Pat, look at, first of all, that's a, I don't, I don't know yet because I haven't heard the voice, but look at the lighting, the setup. This is a Hollywood.

• 12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm actually really asking a question. I want to say late, it's a guy. Look at the way the guy pushes back when he asks a question and Gavin says something and he makes a comment. I just want you to watch this first.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  And can I say one thing? Look at his hand, he's a professional. Hand gestures, so you don't look at the venom coming out of his mouth.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Play this clip, play this clip.

• 13:03Adam Sosnick?

  Over the course of next several years, Los Angeles will be host to the World Cup and then the Super Bowl and then the Olympics. With this rebuilding effort needing to take place, is LA going to be ready for all of those global events? My humble position, and it's, and it's not just being naively optimistic, that only reinforces the imperative of moving quickly, doing in the spirit of collaboration, cooperation. President of the United States, Donald Trump, to his credit, was helpful in getting the Olympics to the United States of America to get it down here in LA. We thank him for that. This is an opportunity for him to shine, for this country to shine, for California and this community to shine. The opportunity with all of that.

• 13:46Adam Sosnick?

  And all that opportunity and that pride and spirit that comes from not just hosting those three iconic games and venues, but also the opportunity, I think, to rebuild at the same time. And that's why we're already organizing a Marshall Plan. We already have a team looking at reimagining LA 2.0. And we're making sure everyone's included, not just the folks on the coast, people here that were ravaged by this disaster.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  You just said you're organizing a Marshall Plan for the rebuilding of California. What is that Marshall Plan? Tell us about this Marshall Plan.

• 14:15Adam Sosnick?

  We're just starting to lay out. I mean, we're still fighting these fires. So we're already talking to city leaders. We're already talking to civic leaders. We're already talking to business leaders and nonprofits. We're talking to labor leaders.

• 14:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, so when you hear that, and it says LA 2.0, he, he looks at himself as if it's a hero, like he's here to save you, California. You're so lucky to have him. I'm here. I'm here. I'm gonna save you. So do you know what happens when I, when I see that? So imagine all of those people that lost their homes, who voted for him, who are for him, who like him. That's what I'm talking about. Hear me out what I'm saying right now. Imagine the ones who voted for him, who protected him for the recall, who like him, who lost

• 15:05Patrick Bet-David?

  the home. Are they watching that and saying, oh, wow, he's so sincere. He has me. What percentage of them do you think he still has?

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Eighty-five percent.

• 15:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you think so?

• 15:16Speaker 04

  These people are, I, I, I know some that I've, I've just spoken to two days ago that are yelling at me about how amazing and how he's the best and that this is all Trump's fault.

• 15:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me?

• 15:28Speaker 04

  I'm dead serious. And I, Pam, this is no BS. They're so brainwashed, they're still gonna vote for this guy. Don't let the hype, I remember we talked about it, two or three years, he's gonna, cause what, he's done in 2026. They still love him and they're still gonna vote for this shit. They're

• 15:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you think?

• 15:45Speaker 04

  Stockholm syndrome. Los Angeles, California.

• 15:48Tom Ellsworth?

  I see, I understand the Stockholm syndrome. But that's much different. Those are people that are hostages that develop a relationship mentally with their captor. And that's different from this. What we, I think that there's very meaningful percents of this, and I'll give you a great example. The presidential election in California was closer this time than the last five elections, like meaningfully closer, and Orange County was red. There is already a shift of voters there, and I take you to Arizona. In Arizona, where immigration was on your front porch, right? Literally.

• 16:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Liberals, Democrats, you went to the store, to the ATM, you saw the homeless people that were obviously immigrants, panhandling, you know, vandalism, you know, petty theft. These things were happening. Whereas in Missouri, you know, immigration was a debate between you and me at Starbucks, because we don't see a lot of it in Missouri. But it was on our front doorstep, live and in living color in Arizona. The Arizona voters shifted, and I believe you're gonna see meaningful numbers. Is it 90% the other way? No, it won't be 90% the other way. But, just like when the Arizona voters on immigration, they moved from Biden voters to Trump voters. And they were, they were very firm Biden voters.

• 17:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Specific to the celebrities. Specific to the celebrities who lost homes.

• 17:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Now...

• 17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think they will flip?

• 17:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, and I think they will absolutely flip. And I, and I saw, so I look at Arizona, and that's human nature, whether you're a celebrity or not, there are celebrities in there, and Adam Carolla had a five-minute monologue that he did, and he talked about, before the fires even happened, that, you know, God rest her soul, you know, there's an actress he knew and her husband that had tried to expand and build in Malibu, and they couldn't, they couldn't get the permits done, they couldn't get this done. And he's pointing out, Adam Carolla correctly, he says, "You just wait till you get permits." Now, you've lost your home, and it's the fault of the state. Now you have to go get permits to get it done. Those people, I absolutely believe...

• 17:58Tom Ellsworth?

  That there are people there that are more mid than they want to admit and that they are going to move. And you saw one of them in Calabasas, you talked about one of the stories we have today is a woman in Calabasas. Who's very, very wealthy from a very powerful family who has said, I'm fed up right now. She's not waiting for the election. She made her, she made a very clear case.

• 18:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Newsom's unfavorability or favorability? Look at this here.

• 18:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 18:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you look at the rating from 2023, he went all the way up unfavorable to 45%. Go, go a little bit ahead right there in the December 1st, Rob. December 1st, right there. What was that? 30, 47%, right? And then it dropped to the mid 30s and then it went back up late July to whatever 43, 44%. Okay. And then now today, it's the highest it's been. And what's the number? 49.2%.

• 18:51Tom Ellsworth?

  On the unfavorable rating side of things.

• 18:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Which by the way, that's as of November 30th, 2024. Rob, do you have that as of right now, what the rate is? Or is that just from then?

• 19:03Tom Ellsworth?

  You saw the reflection of that in the presidential results. We saw a direct reflection of that.

• 19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But.

• 19:08Tom Ellsworth?

  About during the recall, which was when Larry Elder was running, he came onto the show, which was 20, yeah, 2022, I want to say.

• 19:18Tom Ellsworth?

  His approval or unfavorable ratings and unfavorable ratings were basically 50, 50, depending on the polls you look at now. January of 2025, okay? 27% unfavorable rating, 20% favorable, unfavorable, almost 50%. So the dam has broken. Exactly.

• 19:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but then.

• 19:38Tom Ellsworth?

  But, but October of 2024, keep in mind this, since the election, since the election. It was favorable 44% and unfavorable 49%.

• 19:51Patrick Bet-David?

  We literally just read this.

• 19:52Tom Ellsworth?

  But the point is this, what's the point? In the last.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  Three months, it's plummeted. Okay. In three months. We just showed that. Since the election. Yeah. I don't have it. He's leaving.

• 20:00Patrick Bet-David?

  We're just showing that you're repeating the same thing for two minutes.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  This guy is so funny. But you ready for this though, to go to your point? And mind you, he's leaving in a year. He can care less. He's not looking for reelection. He can give two shit. Yeah, he's looking for reelection. But you guys are talking about, you guys are talking, he's done with president. Well, actually, he's not. Let me, let me, let me back up. But you're talking about, these are famous actors and these are Hollywood, okay? They work for the, the Hollywood machine is the liberal, woke, perverted. They can't change that. They can't go Republican. They work for an industry that is all disgusting. All right, I was there. I know what the hell they're about. They're not gonna flip. These people are gonna stay loyal to their party blindly.

• 20:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you, let me tell you, uh, um, you know, yesterday, uh, I'm on Pierce. You were on Pierce, I think Friday.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Last week, yeah.

• 20:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So I'm on Pierce yesterday, we're having a conversation together. He says, what do you think is gonna happen with California and all the extreme and all this other stuff? Okay, I said, you know, you, I don't know who he said. He said, somebody said the woke is dead. Maybe he said Musk. Somebody said the woke is dead, right? Anyways, if the woke is dead, I said, what you have to be careful is when one extreme dies, another extreme is born. Okay, meaning the Hollywood elites are an extreme.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 21:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So meaning they're not a big community, but they are a loud community. Because everybody wants to know what they have to say, right? And so when you, when you see that, you know, reflection on what's going on with Hollywood, the extreme left, the extreme right. All the extremes are breaking things. All the extremes are the ones that are causing confusion and havoc, right? Here's what it really comes down to. What it comes down to is the average age of somebody in LA, Rob, if you want to pull it up. The average age of somebody in LA right now is.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Thirty seven.

• 21:48Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly the number.

• 21:48Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 21:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Is thirty seven years old, okay? The average age of somebody in LA is thirty seven years old, thirty six and a half, that's twenty twenty two, today's thirty seven years old. Okay.

• 21:59Patrick Bet-David?

  How many of this people at thirty seven years old? If you go back and think about when you're thirty seven years old, what events are a thirty seven year old going through? They probably got married. They probably have a kid or two at thirty seven years old. The average thirty seven year old is what I'm talking about, right? So they have a kid or two. And what decisions are you making at that age? The decisions you're making is, do we buy a house? Do we not buy a house? Do we start a business? Do we not start a business? Do we go and get another MBA? Or do I get a little bit additional education to be able to get a promotion? What you're thinking, because guess what's about to come up? Forty to fifty five, that's your money making years that you're about to enter.

• 22:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty five to fifty, forty five to sixty, but forty to fifty five is when you really can make some money and then you compound it from fifty five to seventy years old. All right.

• 22:52Patrick Bet-David?

  If you watching all this stuff that's taking place, think about the thirty seven year old. They go to bed at night, sitting next, laying next to their wife. And they're talking, babe, you, you think we should still buy that house? I don't think so, babe. But I, don't you think there's gonna be a discount after the fire? Babe, no, forget about the discount. Babe, what do you think we do with this? Do we start that business in LA? Do we start that thing here? Anything you say, do we buy that house? Do we start that business? Do we grow into this community? Do we go? What you're saying is, if you say yes, you're saying you trust that the politicians in California that have a super majority in the House, in the Senate, they control it all.

• 23:37Patrick Bet-David?

  When you control it all, guess what you get to say? All the good that happened is because of us. But what's the problem when you control it all? Anything that bad that happens, it's what? It's on you. So he can't say, well, you know, the reason why, you know, California and what we're going through this is because the Congress in California didn't approve the two point five billion dollars that have been sitting there that we would have helped us. You can't say that. There is no gridlock. You are the gridlock. That thirty seven year old is who they have to worry about. This thirty seven year old is not famous. This thirty seven year old doesn't have a 100,000 followers on Instagram. This 37 year old is not a multimillionaire. This 37 year old is not a Hollywood star. This is a regular 37 year old that's trying to make a decision of where do I go raise my kids the next 30 years?

• 24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're asking, buying a house? Where do I put my kids? Career, starting a business? Let's go through each one of them. Buying a house. Do you think homeowners insurance is gonna go up or down in California?

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Skyrocket.

• 24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Skyrocket. Do you think homeowners insurance companies are gonna stay or leave the state of California?

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Leaving.

• 24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's go to number two. Starting a business. Do you think regulations in the state of California are gonna favor small business owners or gonna make your life a living hell? They're gonna work against you. Do you think, starting a business, would people come in and stealing from you? Do you think the governor, the politicians in the state of California are gonna protect you? Are they gonna defend the other person?

• 25:01Speaker 04

  Other person.

• 25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly, okay, so now we have, buying a house. And if you buy a house, and you wanna make it your own, and you wanna get a permit to build a bedroom in a backyard, to have your in-law staying, how long you think it's gonna take for you to get them?

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Years.

• 25:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so then we go to the next one. You got kids, hey babe, let's have kids. Your kid is two years old. You have two of them, a two year old and a four year old, right? And you're sitting there saying, what school do we put them in? Do we put them in private, do we put them in public? Do you trust the direction the education is going to state of California?

• 25:27Speaker 04

  Would drag queen hour?

• 25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  How long you think, how long you think it's gonna take for it to turn? Will it ever turn? I think the part that's gonna be the slowest thing to turn in California is education. Maybe they'll fix the permit, maybe they'll fix some of that stuff, maybe. But the permit is gonna take a while, and the education is gonna take a long ass time for them to fix. So that 37 year old's gonna sit there and say,

• 25:50Patrick Bet-David?

  how do we leave this place? So California thinks, the mass exodus was the one that they had. Can you go to the census, Rob, that shows how many people left California? The US census shows, California lost 1.234 million, uh, million, 34 million, yeah. And then, type in census, uh, ba ba ba ba ba, if you can type census. Um, I'm lost. There is a Wikipedia that, that Brandon sent to me yesterday. Rob, if you don't have it, there's a Wikipedia right there. Um, it's, it's 1.234. I just want the audience to see this because I want you to use it when you're talking to other people.

• 26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Here you go. I got it. Let me send it over your way. 1.234 million people was lost in California. Okay. From 2020 to 2024, 1.234 million people left California.

• 26:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Residents of California?

• 26:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Residents of California.

• 26:48Tom Ellsworth?

  How many illegal immigrants have they inherited?

• 26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That left. So click on that right there. There you go, buddy. Uh, open it up. Watch this, folks. Zoom in a little bit. Okay. Florida net gained 872 during those four years. July 1st, 20, April 1st, okay? Covid started two weeks prior to that. July 1st. So that four-year period, Florida net gained 872. Texas net gained 747. Carolina's 39314. Tennessee, look at the red states gaining, right? Now go all the way to the bottom and work your way up. Look all the way to the bottom. California lost 1.234. New York lost 966. Illinois lost 418. What do all those states have in common?

• 27:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states, blue states.

• 27:37Tom Ellsworth?

  The first one you get to was Ohio at 39.

• 27:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about that. That's the first one. Okay. So you know what this means? They think that's the last exodus. You have to understand that exodus was a different exodus because that exodus was a chokehold. That exodus was kids are at home, homeschooling. I can't go to work. I can't breathe. I just want a freaking life. I want to get out. You can't go to the beach. I'm out of this freaking place. You left for a different reason. This reason of leaving is not that reason. It's like this. You know, you work for a company and you say, I'm going to be here for 40 years. This is it. This is where I'm going to finish up my career. They they give you health insurance, they give you 401k and you love the benefits. All of a sudden, one day they're like, guess what, guys? 401k is gone, health insurance gone, da da da da gone, Jim will close it on down, all the benefits is gone. What are you gonna do?

• 28:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm leaving.

• 28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point.

• 28:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I'm out.

• 28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Like, what are you talking about? Like, this is the part, the job of a company is to make sure it keeps it attractive for people to be there long term. The job of a state is to do the same thing so you attract the right types of people and stay. The good ones stay and don't leave. Now, this is going on, so now some people are saying, well, Pat, this is intentional.

• 28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what people like you don't understand. They want people like you to leave. They want the people that are the 37-year-old hard-working business owners to leave. They want everybody to leave, they want the people to stay, that are da da da da, that is their intention, they want to do that.

• 28:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just say if that is the truth. This next exodus California is going to be experiencing, Tom? What would you be thinking about at 37 years old? How would you decide? Would you just sit there and be like, take it?

• 29:10Tom Ellsworth?

  No, remember, we left in 2015. I was older than 37 when we left, but this is exactly what we were thinking about.

• 29:17Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 29:18Tom Ellsworth?

  We were thinking about, uh, school quality for our kids. Uh, we were at, I won't say the name, uh, a very prominent, uh, private school in LA. Um, and what was very interesting, it was the best in terms of the, it was moderate and it was having more celebrity kids come there, moderate, coming there from Harvard Westlake and and things that were far more liberal. And we were looking at all of that. And I was like, you know what? I I can't raise raise my girls here. And for a lot of reasons, I felt squeezed out of California. And, um, I left.

• 29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, you're somebody that the state shouldn't lose.

• 30:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly. My dad worked in aerospace industry. He was literally a rocket engineer, mathematician. He met my mom at a defense contractor where they both worked. She was a file clerk. I was born out there. I lived through the 1971 earthquake. I lived through the 1994 Northridge earthquake where the school I was going to, I had graduated, but it was the 94 earthquake that was so severe where you had all the stuff that collapsed up there at Cal State Northridge. I went and got an MBA at Pepperdine University. I'm a California kid. I was born out there and then my dad's job moved us and we were in a little bit in, you know, Florida, a little bit in Connecticut, but I came back there where all my cousins and family was and that was it.

• 30:47Tom Ellsworth?

  And then I get married and I feel squeezed out and I wasn't alone. I talked to so many people that were going through the same, the same mental process that, that I went through and I got something to say about this. This was, yes or no, the closest election in the last five elections for the Republican candidate, right? It was that close after 1.2 million conservatives left, which shows you that the people that are there are shifting. Can you imagine if those 1.2 conservatives were still there? How close that election would have been? And so the people in California, I'm seeing people are fed up. I see people that are leaving.

• 31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You and Vinnie are right because the distinction, Tom, is the following. I don't think the Hollywood people, they're gonna lose all of those guys because they fear the favors.

• 31:37Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I agree with that, but I'm saying that there's some secret agent moderates that have flipped.

• 31:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're right. And that's the distinction between the two. Yesterday I had an hour conversation with Sharon Osborne and we're having, she is, she is Hollywood. If you remember Sharon Osborne was the one that they, on T on the streets, she's walking, she says, "So what do you think about BLM?" She says, "The biggest fraud. We gave them $900,000." I don't know if you remember when she said that.

• 32:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, of course.

• 32:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So she's, you know, they can't even believe what's going on with uh uh uh LA right now. Let me go to Khloe Kardashian. So here's the Hollywood, okay? Yeah. It doesn't get bigger than the names Kardashian. Nope. That's the name, right? Yep. Okay, so uh Khloe Kardashian slammed by liberals for calling out uh Mayor Karen Bass over response in LA fires. Rob, do you have a clip on this? Or, oh, this is the one that she posted, right? Okay, can you zoom in so I can read some of this stuff? So she posts this on Instagram. "I stand by you, Chief Crowley. You spoke the truth and had tears in your eyes because I can't tell you didn't even want to say that. It was the truth." Okay, go a little bit lower. And says, "Thank you for being honest, uh Chief Crowley. Mayor Bass, you are a joke." Okay?

• 32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. So, here we go with the story. Khloe Kardashian called that LA mayor a joke on Instagram, accusing her of cutting the LA Fire Department budget uh before the devastating wildfires. Kardashian shared a clip of LA Fire Chief Kristen Crowley alleging she asked... Is this the clip, Rob? This is the clip that Khloe Kardashian screen grabbed and then wrote that message. Post the, post the clip here. Go for it. Did the city of Los Angeles fail you and your department and our city? She didn't want to answer.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  It's my job to stand up as a chief and exactly say justifiably what the Fire Department needs to operate to meet the demands of the community.

• 33:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Did they fail you?

• 33:24Speaker 02

  That is our job, and I tell you, that's why I'm here. So let's get us what we need so our firefighters can do their jobs.

• 33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Did they fail you?

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

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• 34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, it's not easy to do that because she knows like

• 34:34Tom Ellsworth?

  What's coming after?

• 34:35Patrick Bet-David?

  She knows what's coming. Liberals criticized Kardashian for remarks with one saying, "It's interesting how Khloe, Elon Musk, Kardashian have been very quick to call Mayor Bass a joke, but had no smoke for Trump, JD Vance, and Elon during the past election." Another added, "Khloe got some nerve calling the mayor of LA a joke when she literally has..." Tristan Thompson said, "That critics are also wrongly accused Khloe Kardashian of exceeding water usage limits during California drought, which had actually been reported about her sister Kimi." So, you see this, right? While this is taking place. Does Karen Bass finally respond, Rob, to all the criticism? She has. She's made some statements.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  I have a video of her. She doesn't respond directly, but here she is. This is her-

• 35:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Happy as all can be.

• 35:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Kinda like Newsom. Go for it.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Angelinos, we're still going through it. And to any of you and all of you that have experienced a loss, the grief, the anger, the just utter shock. I've seen the devastation. It is unbelievable the amount of loss that people have experienced. But we have to get through this crisis, and I know that we will. I was at the Silmar Command Post today, and I saw the work of our first responders and how they've been able to defeat the fires in certain areas. We know we still have much more to go, and we know the winds are gonna kick up again. But we gotta stick together. We gotta stand strong. And then, we have to rebuild our city. We're the nation's second-largest city,

• 36:06Speaker 02

  one of the greatest cities in the world. And we stay together, and we will rebuild an amazing city. So, thank you, Angelinos.

• 36:14Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you can stop that, and Rob, do me a favor and pull up this clip, and then I'll come to you guys.

• 36:18Tom Ellsworth?

  While you're pulling that up, I got one thing to say.

• 36:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 36:20Tom Ellsworth?

  You're gonna change the soundtrack on that, and she's wishing everybody a happy 4th of July. Look at the body language.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  She's happy!

• 36:27Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'll tell you why she's happy. That's all I gotta say. I'm done. Go to your clip. I don't wanna interrupt.

• 36:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, you okay?

• 36:33Speaker 04

  He's fired up, I love it.

• 36:35Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm disappointed, that's not leadership.

• 36:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to the independent one, Rob. Go to the, it's okay. Karen Bass, once insisted she wouldn't go abroad as LA mayor. Instead, she took five city-funded trips overseas.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Isn't that weird? Isn't that weird? And, and, and, and think about, Pat. Think of the timing, guys, okay? On January 1st, January 2nd, they knew the fires were coming. Okay, Tom? They knew. They knew it was going to come. And what does she do?

• 37:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Dry January, Santa Ana winds, it's just waiting.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  It's coming, Tom, you know it's coming, guys. And don't, let's not play stupid. I don't want to hear the race card, I don't want to hear the feminine, the woman. No, no. You're the mayor. Why the hell are you going to Africa, to Ghana, to see the presidential inauguration? Okay? And like you just said, she left six times promising she wouldn't leave the country. All right? And let's talk about these left-wing policies. They don't realize that she is a Marxist communist sympathizer, okay? In the 1970s, she organized for the Venceremos Brigade, a group linked to Marxist-Leninist ideology that sought to subvert American interests, weaken democracy, and spread communism around the world. It's out there. She's out there. This is what she's done. And she spread communism around the world. She made 15 trips to Cuba, defying US travel restrictions.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  And upon Fidel Castro's death in 2016, she praised him as Comandante El Jefe, which is commander in chief, calling his passing a great loss. This is, how, how can someone act like they love America, love our values, but you're doing this? Why would you travel to Cuba 15 times?

• 38:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Man, she got a funny jersey underneath that shirt.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, isn't that weird? And it's like, and you have to think, why? The, the smiling of the face. You're not in the country when you said you weren't gonna leave. It's almost as if you didn't want to be here because you knew this shit was coming.

• 38:21Tom Ellsworth?

  15 times to Cuba.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  15 times to Cuba. What are you doing? And these are just little things back, like, and this makes people argue, like, her alignment with communist ideas?

• 38:29Tom Ellsworth?

  She visited Cuba 8- Times in the 1970s.

• 38:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to the Venceromos Brigade? Zoom in. Is an international organization financed 69 by members of the Student of Democratic Society Center of Cuba. It was from this coalition of young people to show solidarity to Cuban revolution by working side by side with Cuban workers. Challenge US policies towards Cuba, including United States embargo against Cuba, the year Brigade trips 2010. And it continued today or can. So what part is, was this a communist, left wing organization? Can you Ctrl F? Search communism.

• 39:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, if you're taking a dozen plus trips to Cuba, you're not exactly a Reagan Republican.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  This group is linked to Marxist-Leninist ideology, this group.

• 39:10Tom Ellsworth?

  That's.

• 39:11Speaker 04

  This group. So what is she doing?

• 39:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Well, you know, when you, when you, the great thing about where we're at today, with everything that's going on, you're seeing the speed of doing something about the issues. And now the people of California and LA can vote accordingly and change, period. You're seeing Newsom standing there talking as if everything is happy go lucky. You know, go, go speak to the families of the people that lost their homes, the 250 billion, billion dollars of them. Go to the 24 total death that took place. How many people, by the way, when you're, when you're going through this, Tom, how much have you found?

• 39:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Solutions and what's going to be happening with insurance? Because when I'm looking at this right now and I'm reading this insurance story, okay? That says, Rob, where's that story about insurance companies leaving? I know it's one of the stories that we wanted to talk about.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  That is main, that is page seven, California, I'm sorry, page eight. California bans insurance cancellation in LA affected areas.

• 40:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so check this out. California, this is a fortune story, folks. California bans insurance cancellation in LA fire affected areas. Okay? In LA fire affected areas. Who are you to ban insurance cancellation? Insurance companies are gonna leave because you are not creating the climate a place for them to stay.

• 40:44Patrick Bet-David?

  These are underwriters that are sitting there saying, "Why would I stay?" Okay, let me read this to you, and then Tom, I'm gonna come to you because I've been looking at some stuff, and I want to know if you found anything here. I have some thoughts, some solutions, I'm sure you do as well. "California banned insurance from canceling or not rewriting residential property policies in L.A. neighborhood that were affected by the blazes that destroyed swaths of the city this week. The state's insurance commissioner, Ricardo Lar, issued a one-year mandatory moratorium to shield those in these neighborhoods or adjoining zip codes of the Palisades and Eaton fires. Whether they suffered a loss or not, the order, this order applies to all residential property policies. In force as of January 7th, when Gavin Newsom declared state emergency, the California Department

• 41:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Insurance may extend a moratorium to other zip codes that could become affected by wildfires. Our top priority is protecting Californians during this crisis and helping us recover." People don't face the added stress of finding new insurance during this horrific event. Okay, that's Laura said adding to the moratorium. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 41:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, so I've been diving into what is gonna happen to who? And so, I found, looked at it, and there's, there are a couple different consumers in Palisades. Consumer number one, I own my home and it's paid off, but I didn't have full insurance on it. That's my choice. Once I own the whole home, it's my choice on how I insure it and do I put an umbrella policy over it. Those people, if they have the resources, they will pay to rebuild it themselves. If they don't have the money to pay to rebuild and they were underinsured, they're probably gonna sell the property to somebody else, because you just don't have the money to rebuild it. The second group is you had a mortgage, and this is probably the safest group, because

• 42:31Tom Ellsworth?

  if you had a mortgage, you had to have insurance on the structure the mortgage company requires you to. As a matter of fact, when you're just starting out and it's your first home, it's called PMI. They force you to have insurance on your home. So those people that had insured are gonna rebuild their home, but do they have enough bridge money to live in it? Apartment or live somewhere else and wait the three years or more it's probably going to take to rebuild the home. That's it. So they may run out of bridge money. The insurance company says, well, Vinny, we're going to pay to rebuild the home at today's prices. Uh, but this is the percent that you're covering. So you may only have like eighty-five, eighty, eighty-five percent. So you're going to build something smaller. It's more expensive.

• 43:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And you may decide to rebuild and wait if you've got bridge or you sell. And the last group is the super wealthy. They're just going to rebuild again, but that's the smallest group. There is going to be developers that come in because Palisades, let's talk about Palisades and Altadena separately. In Palisades, no developer is going to come in there and build 5,000 condos, right? Yeah, it's going to be large, single-family homes that are eventually going to rebuild and it's going to be a completely new neighborhood, probably more expensive than it ever was, but it's going to take probably a full 10 years to complete. Because you, we have to, how are you going to rebuild it? You, you, you can't just rebuild them all at once. There's not enough labor, there's not enough contractors.

• 43:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Now in Altadena, there's some more moderate neighborhoods over there. Those people are probably going to sell. And as for the insurance cancellation, I was looking at this, Pat. What they're saying is you can't send them a letter right now saying, hey, Patrick, just to let you know, when your policy is up, you will be canceled. We will not, they won't say canceling you. Like that's what they say if you're a bad driver. They'll say, we won't be renewing your policy, Patrick, in September. People need that notice so they can look around and find somebody else. And they're telling the carriers, you can't send out notices that say you're going to cancel in the future. We don't want people to have that. So the insurance companies are like, well, wait a minute.

• 44:42Tom Ellsworth?

  What if Patrick is up May 1st? That's like in two months. We're not even going to have all the ashes swept out of the streets by then. But we need to let Patrick know, um, we won't be renewing your insurance policy because there's no structure. And so you'll just need, by the way, remember you don't need a home insurance. Policy when there's no structure, you only need liability because it's your property. And if someone slips and falls on your driveway, because your driveway is the only thing that's left.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? You do. No, the reality, I'm not making a joke. The reality is you do need that. You do need that basic coverage.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:17Tom Ellsworth?

  And so I, you know, I'm looking around, Pat, and I think there's a lot of these consumers are going to be selling. And the ones that are going to stay, you know, they got to have extra resources to cover the real rebuild cost and living in an apartment for three years. Because people are saying it's a minimum of three years because you got to find a developer. You got to get supplies. You got to get a permit and then you got to get all this cleaned up. And we haven't even talked about something. The entire, all the neighborhoods that were above ground electrical, guess what?

• 45:53Tom Ellsworth?

  PG and E's got to come in and rebuild all the electric lines and everything in those communities. So that there's electricity for when they rebuild those homes.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you mind if I respond to this? And Tom, we talked about this earlier. And what worries me is like, remember where Rahm Emanuel said, what was the famous quote? He said, never let a disaster, a crisis go to waste. Okay. And if you, and if you can, Pat, I have this clip I showed Rob where Newsom is talking about calling Josh Green. The Maui fires, okay, they exposed the same stuff that's happening right now. Government failure, delayed response, ignored warnings and all these priorities. He says something about reimagining California where he calls the Maui guy. And this is what bothers me, Tom, those people that you're talking about now that have nothing. Okay, that the house was worth, let's say 10 million with, in regard to insurance. Now if somebody comes and wants to buy up the land, Tom, they could offer them way less and say, listen, everything's gone.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  You didn't have the right insurance. We're going to give you this much money cash, Tom. Get, go about your business. Am I right?

• 46:51Tom Ellsworth?

  People that had their house paid off.

• 46:52Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:53Tom Ellsworth?

  That for some of them that don't have the resources and were underinsured, that is their only choice.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  Jeez.

• 46:58Tom Ellsworth?

  To sell the land to tomorrow's developer and.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  So when he says this, Pat, isn't this a worrisome thing where he says he called him and you mind if we like, look at his face?

• 47:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to stay. Is this about insurance?

• 47:09Speaker 04

  It's about the land, grabbing the land.

• 47:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, play this clip, Rob.

• 47:13Adam Sosnick?

  We're dealing with a myriad of issues. I was just talking to Josh Green, the governor

• 47:16Speaker 04

  So funny.

• 47:17Adam Sosnick?

  Down in Hawaii. He had some ideas about some land use concerns he has around speculators coming in, buying up properties and the like. So we're already working with our legal teams to move those things forward and we'll be presenting those in a matter of days, not just weeks.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  Unbelievable.

• 47:34Patrick Bet-David?

  So, but let's stay on this. I'm interested in solutions. I looked up to see who were some of the people that were able to prevent their homes from, like, I Googled and surged, which houses made it and why? That's what I'm interested in. Which houses made it and why? Type in Michael Johnson, uh, house fire. Yeah. And it's a story, uh, let me see who it's by. It's a story by, um, uh, Michael Johnson.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  You need to put Olympic athlete.

• 48:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, put Olympic. Olympic.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  With the gold shoes?

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. He was a man. 200 meter dash champ.

• 48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay. Wealthy homeowners and their insurance turn to hire, okay, this is the one. To fight LA fires. Okay. Go a little bit lower to the Michael Johnson side. Let me see which, okay, there it is. When former Olympic gold medal sprinter Michael Johnson heard the Palisades fire was heading his way, he knew his multimillionaire hillside home in Malibu was in danger. Johnson didn't simply dial 911. He turned to his private firefighting system for protection. Johnson pays $5,000 a year to lease the system, a pump and hose apparatus that can draw large amounts of water from his swimming pool to help fight the progress of wildfires and backstop the city's municipal firefighters and hydrants.

• 48:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this is a system. I think he said there's about 500, uh, it'll tell you how much water is in the pool. Just as Johnson and his wife started hosing down their property in hopes of preventing, uh, any embers from igniting, a man sent, uh, by the system supplier Fire Defense Service showed up to help them. The Johnsons soon evacuated, believing they would never see their house again, but the man from Fire Defense stayed behind to help protect their house and a neighbor who was a client. His plan was to fight it if it came. Johnson, as inferno engulfed. Tensions have flared over the crews of firefighters. And then there was another story, if you go a little bit lower, Rob, another person shows their house why it made it.

• 49:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And keep going lower and he says the, the, the equipment you buy says the problem with wildfires is the stuff you have inside the house. So if you Google, Rob, houses that made it from the wildfire. So once the fire gets in the house, the inside the house is the, the stuff it has, that's what caused it to just explode. You have a lot of things that, so the equipment you buy to make sure.

• 49:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, I'll send it to you here in a minute while we go on, but I think it's one of the above, Rob. That shows houses that actually made it. Uh, yeah, that's the one right there. Zoom in a little bit, Rob. Okay. Why these homes made survive the LA fires. Go a little bit lower. So this is what I'm interested in. More than 12,000 structures have been gone. While for original ones on single homes, a brand new house in Pacific by design and pill by our architect, Greg Chase in the northern summer 2024. Could have easily been one of them. None of other homes around it survived and the car parked out up front of neighbor was perfect vector to spread the flames. Yet on January night, after a night of devastation, Jason found the house intact, barely touched by fire. A photo of the house posted on Malibu Architect went viral on X and a threat on Reddit swelled with guesses

• 50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  about who saved it. Can you open that up? Let's see what that looks like. Okay, uh, I think it's the, that's the same house. So you see that house right there. No word, the guy, the owner of the house said the following, can you, can you, uh, can I read? Yeah, there you go. No words, really, just a horror show. Some of the design choices we made here helped, but we were also very lucky. Zoom in a little bit. That's his house. Look at the stuff on the left and look at the stuff on the right. Okay. So now go back to the story, Rob, if you could. And let's continue. Luck was the biggest factor. Jason concedes, but it wasn't providence alone. If it weren't for several fire resilient design strategies, the home would have been destroyed. This house

• 51:24Patrick Bet-David?

  was a personalized labor of love and a dear friend. It means a lot from corn. Thousands of Angelenos are still at risk. Anyways, so go fireproofing. Let's see what it says. Go a little bit lower. Some of Jason's fireproofing decisions stand out in the picture. The yard is protected area free of vegetation. Fenced off by cast and placed concrete garden walls with landscaping and space, uh, sparse Mediterranean desert style. The homeowners.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Has been through fires before, so he was prepared. He removed rubbish bins and other loose items from around the house. And even left the side gates open, knowing that a fire can spread along a fence to a house. We were unfortunate that the neighbor parked the car adjacent to the house. There's a molten aluminum in the picture, 1,200 degrees Fahrenheit. That wall prevented a lot of heat from getting into the house. Other design factors were more subtle. Along the side of the house, there are no eaves or overhangs. Which can form eddies or trap embers. Blown by high wind, the house doesn't have any attic vents to allow sparks to get inside the roof, which is metal.

• 52:29Patrick Bet-David?

  With a fire resilient underlayment and the house's simple front gabbled without multiple roof lines. I mean, this is the part where if somebody is thinking about staying in L.A. And building a house, call this guy Jason. That guy's gonna get a lot of phone calls. Because this is the perfect commercial for him. I built this house. Would you like me to do the same for you, right? Think about that. So then, I go on seeing which insurance companies in California. Or other insurance companies are looking at a solution to addressing the wildfire issues. And I find this story on Wall Street Journal from December 16th, okay? This is pre-fires.

• 53:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Think about it, December 16th is a month ago. Rob, I just sent it to you if you can pull it up. December 16th, insurance startup.

• 53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Has a plan to cover uninsurable homes. This new insurance company raised $30 million and is writing policies in California wildfire zones. Hopefully, they're still in business because that was a month ago, okay? Mark Mitchell spent more than $100,000 to make his family home in California Santa Cruz Mountains more resilient. To wildfires after it suffered damage when a nearby redwood growth burned in 2020. Despite his efforts, he couldn't find an insurance that could have covered his home for more than two years. That is until Friday when Mitchell signed a contract with Stand Insurance. They are the only company that has been. Able to figure out how much we've done to protect our house. And that it's a reasonable risk to insure. Stand is a new insurance startup that seeks to cover. Homes in areas other insurance are banning because of risks.

• 54:08Patrick Bet-David?

  From natural disasters like wildfires and stuff. The company says it's. Simulation software allows it to better predict risk and identify improvements. Homeowners should make to increase resiliency. This guy used to be a guy that was with Metromile, which if you know Lemonade, now publicly traded company Lemonade. They've done well for themselves. Insurance companies are not finding, people are not financing insurance companies right now, but these guys got the thirty million. One of the things, Tom, thoughts for you. Is while this is taking place. What if the governor goes out and says following, hey? We have to think about solutions. And we have to bring problem solvers in here. We're dedicating a billion dollars. Towards startups. That come and present to us with a board of seven people.

• 54:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That are. Founders of companies that have built multi-billion dollar companies. And each, these guys come and present their ideas and their opportunities. And you green light thirty million to this one, twenty million to this one, ten million to this one, fifty million to this one, forty million to this one. With the hopes of people trying to find creative ways. Of solving this issue. Long term. What do you think about that idea?

• 55:18Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I think it's a, a great idea. I think what happens is sometimes, you know, innovation comes out of just forward thinking and great. Futurists and visionaries. Other times innovation comes out of, out of crisis. And I think right now we've had enough wildfires in California. Number one. Number two, we've had enough of samples of wildfires outside of California. I think the Telegraph fire was in Arizona, I believe. Is that right, Rob? Um, and, and Lahaina.

• 55:48Tom Ellsworth?

  So you you have the crisis set and you know, I don't know if the state would be the one that would figure it out. But if you had a board of proven entrepreneurs that are figuring out where this goes, then I think you've got a great chance of succeeding because you've got a bunch of entrepreneurs there that have built things that understand what it takes. And it's not just bureaucrats making decisions. I think the key to success, which you talked about, would be that board of entrepreneurs that are making decisions. Okay, this is what we're gonna do here, this is what we're gonna do here. There are, right now, there's been innovations in insurance, such as they use drone technology and they fly around. And

• 56:31Tom Ellsworth?

  if you told them that you have a 1965 Corvette and it's parked in a garage and it's locked and they run this drone around your neighborhood three times and they say, it's not parked there, you have an extra large driveway, it's parked to the side under a tarp. That's not as safe from theft as it would be in your garage. We're gonna underwrite you differently. There's a lot of ways where there's innovations that are out there. And I like the idea of having innovation at the What's that, Rob? Intersection.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  So, so Pat, this is in Japan, they have a 200-year-old village called Kayabuki no Soto, okay? It's they have a firefighting system. And when people talk about, they don't have the money, they have money, guys, and you nailed it. It's preventative. What are you doing because you know what's gonna happen? When I was in California, they started retrofitting my apartment and every because they know earthquakes are coming. If you know a fire's coming, look at this clever thing that they have in Japan. Look at this. They know a fire's coming.

• 57:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Fire extinguishing in Shirakawa Village, Japan. Ancient thatched houses over 250 years old

• 57:34Speaker 04

  Flammable as hell.

• 57:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Hide a stunning secret.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  Boom.

• 57:37Tom Ellsworth?

  An automatic sprinkler system. When a fire breaks out

• 57:39Speaker 04

  I mean

• 57:40Tom Ellsworth?

  60 sprinklers instantly pop up and spray high-pressure water

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Like a giant fountain, boom, quickly extinguishing the flames.

• 57:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, does California have anything like that?

• 57:48Speaker 04

  No, no, absolutely not, Adam, because they're spending money on 24 billion dollars on homelessness and the percentage went up 40%.

• 57:55Tom Ellsworth?

  But they solved the homeless crisis in California.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  Well, they.

• 57:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, they didn't solve homelessness in California?

• 57:59Speaker 04

  No, no, they invested in homelessness and it went up.

• 58:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Stop it, California?

• 58:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, California.

• 58:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Really? I thought they fixed it.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  No, no, they invested in it to make it get crazier. So that's the thing, there are solutions.

• 58:08Tom Ellsworth?

  They had a war on homelessness, but homelessness won.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 58:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, like the war on drugs.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  So there are solutions, and like, for instance, is there, you know that fire retardant stuff that goes on the airplanes that red stuff? Sorry, Adam, very offensive word. Spray the house, do something, give these people a freaking, give them hope. There has to be a solution, but we have, we have stuff on Mars.

• 58:28Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the, what's the, what's the crime if you're the person that started the fire?

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Arsonist.

• 58:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What's, what's the crime in California?

• 58:34Speaker 04

  It's arson, and you are in deep, deep.

• 58:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But what is it, though? What, what is the levels of punishment?

• 58:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, let's find that. Billy Joel wrote about this. I, I think arson that leads to death, Pat, is you can be subject to capital.

• 58:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's see this, arson in California is a felony that can result in imprisonment, fine, and restitution. The punishment depends on the type of property burned of the crime. Imprisonment, the length of time depends on the arson, ranging from 16 months to nine years. Convicts may face up to $50,000 fine. Restitution offenders may be required to pay victims for damages. Go ahead, go, go pull up, you, you need Elon Musk type of money to pay the damages.

• 59:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Probation convicts may be placed on probation for up to five years.

• 59:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Not enough.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  No, I, I.

• 59:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Not enough.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  If you're getting.

• 59:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Let me tell you something, because we're starting to see these people that are coming out of the woodworks, they're arresting them from their homes, and they're finding out that they're arsonists and they're setting fires.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  Dressed up as firemen. One guy got in trouble, dressed up as a fireman.

• 59:26Tom Ellsworth?

  To break into somebody's house and try to steal stuff as firemen.

• 59:30Tom Ellsworth?

  These people, when you talk about accountability, you know.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Look at this guy, Pat, look at this.

• 59:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Who's this guy?

• 59:35Speaker 04

  This looks like a Melrose area, it looks like it, I think this is LA.

• 59:38Tom Ellsworth?

  He's lighting a fire?

• 59:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, look, look, look, and then boom, this is like.

• 59:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, so, you know, I said something pretty controversial a couple of years ago, and people said, are you kidding me? And then it turns out, oh my God, I wasn't that crazy. I said, if you're a school shooter, and you do something crazy, and you go in and you kill a bunch of people, a bunch of kids.

• 59:59Adam Sosnick?

  I said, and then you end up killing yourself. I go, where are the parents? Let's find these people. They said, well, you know, parents can't be held responsible for the crimes of their kids. And then what happened in Michigan? The parents get arrested. Cause all of a sudden, they're like, no, no, no, no, no. Whatever we did in the past can't be what we do moving forward. Past performance can't predict future results. Hold the parents accountable. So if you're telling me some arsonist in California just burnt down the entire city of LA, basically. And he's gonna face a $50,000 fine and 79 years in jail? Him?

• 1:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob.

• 1:00:33Adam Sosnick?

  And anyone associated with him needs to be held accountable.

• 1:00:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you, Rob. But Google arson crime punishment by state. By state. Okay. Uh, watch this here. Okay, zoom in a little bit, Rob, so we can see it. There you go. So it depends by the state. Florida, it's 30 years.

• 1:00:51Adam Sosnick?

  Good.

• 1:00:52Patrick Bet-David?

  In prison.

• 1:00:52Adam Sosnick?

  Good.

• 1:00:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, in California was nine years. Okay.

• 1:00:56Adam Sosnick?

  That's, that's a retarded thing because are there fires in California or are there fires in Florida?

• 1:01:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Exactly.

• 1:01:02Adam Sosnick?

  It's so backwards.

• 1:01:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you maybe type in what state has the most severe punishment for arson? Has the most severe punishment for arson?

• 1:01:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I'm just curious right now. What state is it? According to California, it's widely considered to have one of the most severe punishments. It's nine years. It's not that bad. What are they talking about? What is it? Tell us what it is. Go a little lower.

• 1:01:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, you do have the death penalty potential.

• 1:01:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Where do you see the death penalty?

• 1:01:28Tom Ellsworth?

  For arson results and fatalities.

• 1:01:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. In extreme cases, which arson like the death penalty. Has a person ever had a death penalty in California for arson?

• 1:01:37Adam Sosnick?

  Does California even practice the death penalty?

• 1:01:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's see this here. If, if somebody has anyone ever, California, uh, death penalty. No, California does not allow.

• 1:01:51Adam Sosnick?

  It doesn't even have the death penalty.

• 1:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Arson because of federal court.

• 1:01:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Arsonist gives death sentence. Ricky Lee Fowler has been convicted of murder over 2003 fire that caused five heart attack deaths.

• 1:02:07Speaker 05

  Breathing and yep.

• 1:02:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Fire get killed five. So this guy, this guy died. Is Ricky Lee Fowler dead?

• 1:02:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, hopefully not the golfer because he's a good guy, but who's this guy?

• 1:02:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Ricky Lee Fowler, what is that? Can you, uh, so Ricky Lee Fowler? Yeah, I, I, I, I want to know if this has happened because when something like this happens, there has to be an example made at the highest level. And when the example is made, then from there, you know, it, it gets, it gets some people's attention. Not everybody's attention. It gets some people's attention. But, um, yeah, I, I look, I, I can't, I, I, like again, if I'm the governor of the state, the first thing I want to do is get the smartest people in front of me. We're going to have a full on meeting to come up with ideas on what to do with this. What money do we need? Who do we call? Who do we raise the capital from?

• 1:03:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Problem solvers are in my state. Let's get to it. Let's get to find out what happens here. Rob, did we find out if this guy died or not?

• 1:03:08Speaker 05

  I can't find that he was put to death. So that leads me to assume that he's still in jail.

• 1:03:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Ask, uh, Brandon, can one of you guys check this Ricky Lee Fowler death penalty California?

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. And just, and just so we know, because there's a lot of speculation. People are wondering, I saw satellite imagery of all three separate fires, starting at the same exact time. I keep seeing videos of these arsonist, black hoodie like Antifa looking guys. One, the guy that got arrested in Woodland Hills, Pat, the guy that was walking on with the, with that, um, yellow blow torch and cannon fire. Guess what? They arrested him. He's a Mexican national who's entered the U.S. illegally, has a criminal history, including a 2023 conviction for assault with a deadly weapon. He's currently held on a felony probation violation. He hasn't been charged with arson due to insufficient evidence. He had a yellow blow torch in his hand trying to start stuff on fire. ICE has placed a detainer on him, but California, here we go with California.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Sanctuary state policies may prevent local authorities from honoring. Potentially hindering his deportation. So the guy running around with a blowtorch that civilians, the people in the hills had to stop him.

• 1:04:11Tom Ellsworth?

  You can't arrest him because he might be considered racist. Everyone knows that you can't do that.

• 1:04:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Ricky Lee Fowler, the arsonist convicted for starting the 2003 oil fire in California, was sentenced to death penalty. As of January 2025, there are no public records indicating that his execution has been carried out. Given the lengthy appeals process typical in death penalty cases, it is likely that he remains on death row.

• 1:04:31Tom Ellsworth?

  So why do they have the most strictest policies then?

• 1:04:33Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they don't have the most strict. They don't have the most strictest. It's just, this is, this is a prime example of you have to make an example of the people, okay? You have to put the scare, what's the phrase?

• 1:04:47Tom Ellsworth?

  The fear of God.

• 1:04:49Patrick Bet-David?

  The fear of God and the fear of death and to people who do things like this. And who benefits from this fire? Trying to see like, who actually benefits from this fire? If you were to think about who benefits from this fire, insurance companies don't benefit from this fire. Who benefits from this fire, Tom?

• 1:05:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, ultimately.

• 1:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm trying to think like a dark, like if there's something behind it because you know how the Chase Hughes guy that we had on the podcast who said, anytime you see a massive event that takes place, and then they come up with immediate solutions to say, this is why we have to put cameras, this is a RICO and Patriot Act and all this stuff happen? Who in a psy-op form, I mean, this would be the darkest psy-op of all time. Who actually benefited from this fire?

• 1:05:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Real estate developers. Well, yeah, real estate developers in California are gonna be.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  Workers.

• 1:05:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Are gonna be employed for a good long time. So the entire construction industry in California benefits, but it's not like a flip of the switch. It's not like the airline stocks the day after 9/11, right? This is gonna take some time for deals to be awarded and things, things like that.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  Remember the WEF, they said you'll own nothing, you'll drive nowhere, they won't let you have cars. You won't have to leave the city, those 15-minute cities that they're talking about, they just want to keep you in there. They want to keep you, they don't want you driving, they want everybody. Did you see that video of China? There's a new video of China where you can't even go to certain sectors, Rob, of China unless they do an ID check of your face. Like China's locking down. So if you're an elite. It's it's one of those 15 minute city things. I'm trying to figure out.

• 1:06:25Adam Sosnick?

  Can I respond to that? Own nothing and be happy? Real quick, Pat?

• 1:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:28Adam Sosnick?

  So when they say those things like you'll.

• 1:06:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Just don't repeat that stuff that people have said, but go ahead. Let's see what points you're gonna make.

• 1:06:38Adam Sosnick?

  Um, all right. You know, they say, uh, own nothing and be happy. Well, it depends on what you own. So we're having a conversation here about whether people should buy. Pat, you said that the average age of someone in California was 36, 37 years old, right? So what they're going through in life right now is probably they're not officially settled. We all know that people are waiting longer and longer to get married and longer and longer to have kids. They're they're going through this strategy. I always say that you, right now in your life, you should have low overhead and high flexibility. We talked about insurance. You know who loves talking about insurance? And you know who loves buying insurance? Nobody. Nobody wants insurance. Nobody wants car insurance. Nobody wants health insurance.

• 1:07:22Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody wants life insurance, but you need it to protect yourself. They said it's called O insurance in case it happens, right? So nobody wants this, but now boomers, you know, you'll see this article in the Wall Street Journal, how millennials officially have it worse than their parents, which were the boomers, when it comes to buying real estate. And what were the, uh, Tom, you would remember this. What were the lowest and highest interest rates in the early 80s? If you're gonna buy a house?

• 1:07:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, right. The minutes after. So he was, it got to 14, it got to 16, it got even higher than that.

• 1:07:59Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:07:59Tom Ellsworth?

  This was the end of Carter and like the first year of Reagan while all of his reforms are getting pushed.

• 1:08:06Adam Sosnick?

  18%. It's basically buying a house on a credit card. So I'm thinking like, hold on, what?

• 1:08:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, that was pure peak, right?

• 1:08:12Adam Sosnick?

  So and go back to the top of the article, Rob, just so we understand my point here. Millennials have it worse? How is that? How do millennials have it worse? Now, if you go into these graphs, it'll show you. It basically comes down to supply and demand. So, you know, they said that in, um, when you're buying a house, there's another article here about basically how taxes, here it is right here. Insurance and taxes now cost more than your actual mortgage. So Vinnie for two years would ask, is now a good time to buy? Is now a good time to buy? Is now a good time to buy? What these articles are basically saying that is that is the worst time to buy. So. You know, in California, you talked about who the people are there. You're either the have nots or the have yachts, is what they call them. The haves or the have nots.

• 1:08:56Adam Sosnick?

  If you have millions of dollars, you can afford someone to whatever Michael Johnson did.

• 1:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I still don't know what you're saying.

• 1:09:00Adam Sosnick?

  You're gonna be okay.

• 1:09:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what you're saying.

• 1:09:02Adam Sosnick?

  What I'm saying is now is a horrible time to buy a piece of property. It is possibly the worst time that we've experienced.

• 1:09:09Patrick Bet-David?

  In California?

• 1:09:10Adam Sosnick?

  In the country and especially in California.

• 1:09:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:09:14Adam Sosnick?

  Now, if you've got a ton of money, you're gonna be okay. But if you're the average person, I can't tell you how many messages I get from people on Manect. That say, hey, I'm 24 years old. I've been told I should buy property. I said, really, how much money do you have saved up? Like three grand? Oh, yeah, what's your credit rating? Not that good. Do you, do you have any kids? No. Why would you buy a house? And then they say the same thing every single time. What do they say? Well, I've always been told that renting is throwing away money. You don't have any money. You can't afford a house. Go save money, put money into the stock market. And that's my point right here. Own nothing and be happy?

• 1:09:54Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, if you own assets like stocks or crypto or I own REITs, real estate investment trust. You know where you can take that? Anywhere the hell you want to go.

• 1:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:10:04Adam Sosnick?

  And if your house burns down, you don't have to worry about it.

• 1:10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Perfect.

• 1:10:07Adam Sosnick?

  Is there something that I said that?

• 1:10:08Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I was trying to see if you're not, not disagree with. Are we on point with what we were talking about? But your point was made. It was about finance, what decisions to make, what decisions not to make.

• 1:10:20Adam Sosnick?

  Isn't that what it all comes down to?

• 1:10:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, I get it. I understand, but in the context of the story that we were in, specific to California, trying to find solutions. This would have been something that's a completely different side story, but I get what you're saying. Let's just move on. Okay, so go into the next story here that we have. Where's that one story I wanted to get into? The story, okay, here we go. So Mark Zuckerberg slams Apple on its lack of innovation in random rules. This is a clip, Rob, with him on Rogan this last week. This is after, I think, the introduction was made with them going to community notes, staying a while on the board. And then here's what he has to say about Apple. Go for it.

• 1:11:03Tom Ellsworth?

  I haven't really invented anything great in a while. And it's like Steve Jobs invented the iPhone and now they're just kind of sitting on it 20 years later. And they actually, I think, year over year, I'm not even sure they're. Selling more iPhones at this point, I think like the sales might actually be declining.

• 1:11:24Tom Ellsworth?

  And part of it is that each generation doesn't actually get that much better. So people are just taking longer to upgrade than they would before. So the number of sales I think has generally been flat to declining. So how are they making more money as a company? Well, they do it by basically like squeezing people. And like you're saying, like having this 30% tax on developers.

• 1:11:46Tom Ellsworth?

  By getting you to buy more peripherals and things that plug into it.

• 1:11:51Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, they build stuff like AirPods, which are cool. But they've just thoroughly hamstrung the ability for anyone else to build something that can connect to the iPhone in the same way.

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• 1:13:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Tom, smart move choosing Apple as an enemy.

• 1:13:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, no, and this is, so I'll stick to that, but then I have a comment about Mark if that's okay.

• 1:13:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Please.

• 1:13:19Tom Ellsworth?

  So, right now, if you're gonna pick enemies out there in business, I don't know if Apple is the one I would pick. And he's, Facebook and other people have said, "Well, you know, you know, Apple takes 30%, Apple takes 30%." Why don't you, why don't you make a T-shirt and go ask Macy's what percent Macy's wants to make on that T-shirt? It's called a retail profit, and so-

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  Call up our team and like, "I thought Mark Zuckerberg was here talking shit."

• 1:13:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Right. It's, it's basically, and so it's like the developers are out there saying, "Well, why, why does Apple take 30% of everything?" "'Cause they made the phone, they invented the thing, and if you wanna be in their store, in the iPhone as a store, you have to do it." But I think picking Apple as an enemy with Apple's reach and Apple's influence on Meta and Instagram and on, you know, everything that's there, I don't know if I'd be picking Apple as an enemy, but I do know this. Mark Zuckerberg is very clever, and there, there was a quote in a journal, I think it was one of his PR people in the journal that says, "Well, this is the real Mark. Well, this is the real guy." Trying to portray it as if, "All these years, you haven't been seeing Mark Zuckerberg."

• 1:14:36Tom Ellsworth?

  "This is the real guy, you know, oh, there it is, you know." "Zuckerberg debuts, real Mark can push to Trump." This is all about, this is all about, that was what it was. What was this? Yesterday, last night, so tell me I was bored. So, basically, he is picking an enemy while he's on this tour to put Facebook in a better position, because as we said on the last podcast, the hearings are coming back on whether Facebook was intentionally doing things that caused young, young people, specifically young girls, to become kind of addicted to it, and then there was a negative effect, and they knew about it and they did nothing about it. There's a lot of things in there, and Facebook is trying to be like, "Wow, guess what?

• 1:15:21Tom Ellsworth?

  There's a new sheriff in town, his name is Trump. Well, let's see if we can get Trump's friend to be on our board. Let's see if we can, you know, well, I'll pick Apple as an enemy." You know, and I think a lot of this is a little showmanship, and I, I don't know about picking Apple as an enemy, though. I think that's- To me, this is kind of dicey. Apple decides, you know, I'm upset with you. You know, I'm going to turn off Instagram for, for, for this reason. You know, Apple can do these things. I, I'm, pick your enemies wisely, even if you're on an apology tour.

• 1:15:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what do you think?

• 1:15:53Adam Sosnick?

  I actually totally disagree with Tom. I think you're making a good point that you don't want to necessarily pick Apple as an enemy. But listen, one of your rules was punch up, don't punch down. Apple's a $3 trillion company. What is Meta? Maybe half of that. Fact check that real quick. Uh, Meta probably one and a half trillion and, uh, Apple, what? Three trillion, if not more. So, you know, you talked about, uh, yeah, there it is. Uh, you talked about, um, you know, Zuckerberg being held accountable for people on their, uh, what, on Instagram or sort of doom scrolling all day. Where do you think they're axing, uh, Instagram on their iPhones? Right here.

• 1:16:36Adam Sosnick?

  So, uh, by the way, you, you know, the conversation is, is he making a good decision? Picking Apple as an enemy? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Punching up, I agree. But that was on Rogan?

• 1:16:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:50Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:16:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:52Adam Sosnick?

  Is what he said wrong? I actually think he's spot on. I was at the Apple store this weekend trying to get my damn phone fixed here. What have they come out with recently? All right, I got a little, a new computer and iPad. Nothing new. Nothing new. Nothing original. Nothing unique. I mean, I use it. God forbid that someone shows up with a Android and, and a group text. They're going to be shamed for having a disgusting, just a gross.

• 1:17:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Green.

• 1:17:20Adam Sosnick?

  Green looking thing on your screen. Get out of here, buddy. Shame. Ever, you gotta be blue. Gotta be blue. So we're, we're all Apple thing. We, you know, we, we, people come to the valet table, you're an Apple person, you're an Android person? Get out of here with your Android thing. I'm an Apple person, I get it. Guilty by association. But is Mark Zuckerberg wrong? No. I actually think he's right. Last point about Mark Zuckerberg. It's not like I'm a fan of Mark Zuckerberg. It's not, that's the homie. You gotta admit, he's sounding a little bit more reasonable. He's probably not as much of a nerd. I don't know if he's got like the Jew fro going on. He's got his thing going on.

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  In his bag. He's working out. He's kicking ass. He's hanging out with Dana White. He called Trump a badass. I don't know. I'm starting to like Mark Zuckerberg a little bit more.

• 1:18:03Speaker 04

  But what were the intentions of everything that you just listed at the end? They're trying to be cool. They're trying to do your hair, doing pushups, trying to be buff, fighting. It's all because he knows.

• 1:18:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You mean trying to be better?

• 1:18:14Speaker 04

  No, I don't. I don't. I don't trust that guy at all. Tom nailed it. He knows who's coming in. He knows who's coming. Hold on. He knows what he's done. Okay, there has to be accountability and if anybody that's gonna keep accountable is the guy that he's kissing his ass now is gonna be Trump because if all this anxious generation. I'm reading, Pat, you're talking about the stuff that this does, that social media, that Facebook does to the to the minds of the youth. And you're talking about the phones. Giving your, that's why I respect the hell out of what you're doing with the kids. Your kids shouldn't have a cellphone until when they said? High school. They shouldn't have a cellphone to high school. And he's talking about Apple and how they're cornering the market. Look at Facebook. They don't have a monopoly. That's the problem. And all the stuff that he's doing, I don't trust it. I don't believe it.

• 1:18:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, so, so Tom, a couple of questions for you. He says, what has Apple created since the iPhone, right? What has Facebook created?

• 1:19:06Tom Ellsworth?

  They've acquired. Well, that's exactly right. If you go take a look.

• 1:19:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but the question is, what have they created?

• 1:19:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I read an article two years ago, maybe three years ago. It says, since the thumbs up like, which was a Facebook innovation, that the news feed and the thumbs up like were sort of extensions of Facebook. And everything else, look at what they bought. They bought Instagram. They bought WhatsApp. They abandoned their own picture service that they were trying to build. And they bought Instagram. And you and you look at what they've bought versus what they've created and the the metaverse. Zuckerberg was spending how much on that for four years? Where's, where is it?

• 1:19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What, what is the last thing they created since the Facebook?

• 1:19:56Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm, I'm making your point.

• 1:19:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So the thumbs up, right?

• 1:19:59Tom Ellsworth?

  And the answer is, they've, they've done little things on Facebook and they, but they've never, there's been nothing groundbreaking in there.

• 1:20:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it. Okay. So then the, the other question would be, uh, do you think Zuck going on the biggest podcast in the world? Went in there open or he went in there with intentions of making two, three, four, five statements? That he knew he was gonna find a way to say while he was with Joe?

• 1:20:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I agree. Everything that I've ever read about Mark Zuckerberg and what we've seen in Congress is that he is scripted and intentional in public. He is not off at the, he does not go off of the end and just go to the corner of the room and just talk about what he's thinking.

• 1:20:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:20:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Everything is very intentional.

• 1:20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Perfect. So you think what he said about Apple was intentional?

• 1:20:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Then if it's intentional, it better follow up with an announcement, in my opinion. Meaning that's why Facebook is announcing the dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. That's why this, this, this, this, that. Because when you make a statement like that and you truly are a chess player, I'm, I'm looking forward to see the benefit of saying that. I'm looking forward to saying, seeing if in the next two, four, six weeks, he does do something that he announces, great. If that comment was made just because he thinks he's on the, you know, now he's got Trump's protection and Elon's protection because he gave Elon some credit with community notes.

• 1:21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  It's like, wow, now Elon's on my side and Apple?

• 1:21:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know, the reality of it is, every one of these guys that has an app relies on people to use a phone that has most of the apps that are built on, and that phone is called the iPhone. So, if Zuck announces a Facebook phone coming out, because I think the Facebook phone, I think the phone market, remember how for the longest time they said nobody ever competed with Pepsi and Coke? Anybody that comes out with a drink, what do they do? Pepsi or Coke buys them. RC Cola, whatever, whatever, they buy them, right? And it was 40 years until somebody was able to compete with auto manufacturers like somebody that came out with a car, until what car came out and started competing with all the Ford, the GM, all those other guys? It was Tesla.

• 1:22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  When is the last time somebody came out with a phone that competed with phones?

• 1:22:28Speaker 04

  I don't remember.

• 1:22:29Patrick Bet-David?

  When? BlackBerry went out of business, okay? Elon flirted with coming up with the Tesla phone. If you type in Tesla phone, there's pictures of the Tesla phone. If you go on images, yeah, there's a real sleek right there. That's the image right there. That you would see, hey, what if they come out with a Tesla phone? Can you type in Facebook phone? Type in Facebook phone. Facebook didn't make its own phone, but it did collaborate with HTC and HTC first in 2013. First signed on to Facebook software, yeah. And what happened to it? They sold how many? 15,000 units, critics panned the phone, calling it one of the biggest failures of 2013. The phone ran a pure version of Android under the Facebook. Yeah, that's why I'm saying that comment has to be, you can't make a comment like that to Apple

• 1:23:15Patrick Bet-David?

  without a follow-up. Tom?

• 1:23:16Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree with, I agree with that point, and one of the things I was thinking about when I made my top 10 predictions for the year. There is one, it was like in the, like number 13, I was making my list. And one of the things I was noticing was this. X has put video programming on X, like long form, like a football game, right? They did it. YouTube TV, they've been going at it for years, and they also just got NFL Sunday Ticket, right? About a year ago, they signed that, people enjoying that. And then Amazon. Amazon had some playoff games, remember that?

• 1:23:52Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:23:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep. Well, what does Facebook need? They need stickiness, and they have a slightly older demographic than other social media. And so... I thought about it and then I didn't think about what I'm about to say. But then I started thinking about it again a week ago, Pat, when Dana White's on the board. It says, "Facebook offering video programming, almost like linear TV." And there's a certain guy on the board that has some of the biggest pay-per-view events in the known universe. So I was thinking about that when I was doing my top prognostications for the year,

• 1:24:35Tom Ellsworth?

  saying, "What if Facebook gets into the content game the way Amazon and others have tried?" Because they don't have that. That's one thing they don't have. And what they need is stickiness to make the ad sales go further.

• 1:24:50Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I mean, I gotta, I think we gotta give them a little credit. They did develop Facebook Threads. I mean, that's killing it right now, right?

• 1:24:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:01Adam Sosnick?

  But I actually do have a question from a business owner's perspective. You know, the way you sort of positioned it was like, "Look, what have they developed?" You know, because almost like their business model has been acquiring people, right? Acquiring competitors, seeing ideas out there in the marketplace, and honestly, maybe getting them at a discount. Like, they bought Instagram for, what, a billion dollars? Instagram is probably worth tens of billions of dollars, if not more at this point. From a CEO's perspective, from a founder's perspective, is there something wrong with that model? Is that...

• 1:25:38Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 1:25:38Adam Sosnick?

  Is that a valuable business model?

• 1:25:40Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no. It's nothing, nothing wrong with that. You can do that. I'm just saying, when you say, you know, like, if, let's just say, "I'm coming to tell you, you know, I'm better than you," and I'm trying to give an analogy, "I'm better than you in ladies," right? And so, look at Adam. When's the last time Adam got an eight? It was Mary, nine years ago. And then imagine you follow up and he say, "Bro, when's the last time you got a six?" Okay? So you don't have the right to give that. Only time you say that, and if you are who I think you are, which is always intentional...

• 1:26:17Patrick Bet-David?

  He has to follow it up with here's what we're announcing. I see what you're saying. And FYI, you know what could happen? Let me tell you what could happen. Let me tell you what could happen. What if he does something with Dana that's on the board now? That the Facebook stuff that you're talking about pay-per-view is now on Facebook? That's very interesting angle. Then, then, then, then now that announcement could be Dana joins this. Uh, uh, uh, Zuck goes on Rogan, takes a shot at Apple, gives credit to Musk. Six weeks later, UFC teams up with Facebook, blah, blah, blah. Guess what? Great job, great sequencing, I applaud you. Okay, now I get it. So that's the part where I don't know what's gonna happen next and we'll see, so.

• 1:27:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Last thing, was it Facebook that sued Apple in 2020? Remember the Apple commercial? That the, the famous Apple commercial in the eighties? Who was it that, that was suing Apple for not letting them on the App Store? Was it Facebook? Yeah, Facebook opposed Apple's changes to app tracking and threatened to file and. Do you remember we covered this? This is Dallas, I remember sitting there.

• 1:27:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Qualcomm and Facebook, and the two largest corporate sides against them.

• 1:27:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Where, uh. The Apple, the Apple commercial, 1984, exactly. So there's beef here. There's something going on here. Okay, we'll see. So let's, that's next story, I'd like it to be five to 10 minutes, guys. So Musk versus Bannon, we got a few more to go through. Bannon lashes out. Musk versus Bannon, Steve Bannon lashes out at billionaires, says he should go back to South Africa. What a comment, state to make. So here we go, Forbes. Trump ally Steve Bannon attacked Elon Musk, said he would do anything to keep the world's richest person out of the White House in a new interview with an Italian newspaper. Weeks after Bannon publicly derided, uh, Musk for his defense of a skilled visa program, Bannon said Musk should go back to South Africa, where he is from, asking why do we have South Africans?

• 1:28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  The most racist people on earth, white South Africans, making comments at all on what goes on in the United States. According to WaPo, translation of Musk's interview with Corleone de la Sera. Uh, Bannon, a controversial figure whose influence over Trump has been ebbed and flowed for years, says he would do anything to keep Musk off the White House and is actively working on a strategy to limit his influence over Trump, telling the paper, Musk's ideas are really about the implementation of techno-feudalism on a global scale. Tom?

• 1:28:44Tom Ellsworth?

  So, boy, we're just starting to see Bannon. Boy, he was, um, when he got out and got back on the microphone and got out after, in my opinion, wrongfully imprisoned, wrongfully prosecuted, but when he came back out, he is, he's got a belly full of fire. And the thing that he's linked, linked his, you know, two weeks of diatribe to, has been the H1B and his position that it takes jobs away from American workers, and that they're lower cost jobs, and then the H1B recipient can't change jobs easily. That's his core. I'm not saying that's my point. I'm saying that's

• 1:29:26Tom Ellsworth?

  what Bannon has said. And he says, so therefore, since they're getting them for a lower price, and they can't change jobs, they have a person there and they should be paying more to an American, you know, a worker of whatever color, but an American citizen should have that job. So he's been really revved up on that. So he's been head to head with Elon Musk on that, because Elon Musk was, you know, it was kind of aimed at Bannon and others, when people were very firm on the H1B, and Musk said to everybody, F you in the face, you know, this is the way I feel about it. And, but, I don't agree with Bannon doubling down, and then, you know, you know, South Africa being racist, yeah, there's

• 1:30:08Tom Ellsworth?

  a history there, but that's, that'd be like if I had a German grandparent, which I don't, but I had a German grandparent, be like Bannon saying, there goes Ellsworth and his German grandparents, always wanting to start a war and take things over. I think that's out of bounds, right? Has South Africa had a history? Sure it has. But how do you put that, you know, on Elon? Because he hasn't shown that. I haven't, I haven't seen a racist guy. I see a guy sending Starlink around the world for natural disasters. I don't, I don't really see that. I think Bannon's got an issue with visas, and he's got a big beef with Musk, and it's boiling over into some really heavy nationalist feelings.

• 1:30:50Speaker 04

  I think, you know, and I like Steve Bannon, I know he's Just trying to stir the pot, but Elon Musk, Elon Musk going back to South Africa, that's anti, the guy's American. He has done so much for America for hiring thousands of Americans. He's getting us out into space, uh, free speech. He spent lost money to put us on X. And I mean, do I agree with everything that Musk says? No, Tom, uh, I, I think, you know, you never know what a true person's intentions are. We'll, we'll see in the long run, but this whole cheap anti-immigrant, dude, the guy is an American citizen. Wasn't he a, he was a Canadian citizen as well, Tom? South African. No, he wasn't Canadian. I, I think he was, can you check that, Rob? Was he a Canadian citizen as well? We're the land of opportunity. Okay, these people has busted their asses, they're doing their thing.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  It's like, I, I see a little jealousy, I see a little anger. I'm all about, everybody out there knows, I'm America first, but this is a cheap ass shot. And it's like, we've been saying it, that the Democrats want to separate us and have us all fighting and blah, blah, blah, blah. I think Steve Bannon is better than this. I know he's angry about, you know, being wrongfully accused, but you know what? You have platforms like X that you get to talk all this shit that you cut, you probably could have been in trouble or banned, uh, three years ago. Now, now you can say whatever the hell you want. I'm not a big fan of it. You don't like what he's saying, but you defend his right to say it. Yeah, you damn right, 100%. Well, uh, as Andrew Schultz said, he's my, one of my favorite African-Americans ever. But Elon Musk, did you hear what else he said? He said, it wasn't just that, oh, he should go back to South Africa and there's a history of racism and apartheid in South Africa. Okay, that's one thing.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  He said the following, Elon Musk is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. I made it my personal thing to take this guy down. All right. You think you're taking Elon Musk down, the richest man in the world? You just got out of jail. Choose your enemies wisely. This is what you want to do? This is what you want to choose? This is punching up? I get it. You know, I said on a couple of podcasts ago, MAGA 1.0 versus MAGA 2.0. Sort of the nationalists, the populists, the anti-immigrant, anti-trade, those types of piece versus, look, call it what you will, Elon Musk is a globalist, he has business all over the world, there are, there is some conversation to be had about his relationship

• 1:33:01Speaker 04

  with China, you know, Steve Bannon basically says he's owned by China in so many words. But, the other thing that Steve Bannon said the other day was very interesting is, you know, converts, we want converts, we want people to convert, we want, we want people to come to the party, but you sit in the back of the room, and I look at that comment, like, alright, you think that Elon Musk, who just gave what, how much money, a quarter of a billion dollars to the Trump campaign, is gonna sit in the back of the room, buddy, he's driving shotgun at this point. So at the end of the day, this MAGA 1.0 versus MAGA 2.0, who's the one person that can diffuse this? Who's, who's the one person that can

• 1:33:41Speaker 04

  make sure everything's okay? Trump, you know, six days from now, he's, as an inauguration.

• 1:33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Trump likes this?

• 1:33:48Speaker 04

  I don't think-

• 1:33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think, because remember, Trump is not who you think you are, do you think, he's, he's, he's a guy that looks at the world in a different way than the average person does. Do you think Trump likes this?

• 1:33:59Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 1:34:01Speaker 04

  The fighting, the fighting with Bannon, no, because I know that he knows that Bannon's been there for him, old school, Bannon has gone to prison for him because of his ideas and being a MAGA supporter, and I think Elon's doing something completely, same type of vision, same type of goal, but just in a different lane, but I don't think Trump likes the, the infighting before he's even come into office, he's not even there yet. I, I gotta tell you, I don't know what role Steve Bannon has in the newer Trump administration, if anything. I don't think he has one. And by the way, I know one thing about Trump, he's no fan of the illegal immigration, he's no fan of, of the illegals, but when you talk about immigrants and legal immigrants,

• 1:34:44Speaker 04

  I mean, even in his, in his inner circle, doesn't he have Sebastian Gorka? Yeah. Doesn't he have Boris Epstein that's part of it? I'm sure there's more, but also, don't forget, two out of his three wives have been legal immigrants. Right? Yeah. The, the mother to his first three kids, and to his last kid, Baron Trump. So Melania-

• 1:35:07Adam Sosnick?

  So what are we talking about with this anti-immigrant, anti- um, anti- foreign-born people coming to America, going back to their country? It's a little nativist and it's a little nationalist, uh, and that's fine sometimes, but not the white nationalist perspective.

• 1:35:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go to the next story.

• 1:35:24Adam Sosnick?

  Not down for that.

• 1:35:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Hell-on-wheels killer who plows, uh, plowed car into the wall murdering two wind-about handcuffs during arrest. So, very weird story here, folks, okay? So here's a girl that boyfriend breaks up with her. In a newly released video, Mackenzie Sharilla, then 17, appeared more concerned about her jewelry than the fatal crash she caused, which killed her boyfriend, Dominique Russo, and his friend, Daven Flanagan, 19. When arrested, Sharilla tearfully asked officers, "Could you please be careful taking this one off so it doesn't break the bracelet, please?"

• 1:36:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Officers assured her, uh, they would handle the handcuffs gently. A year later, she was sentenced to two concurrent 15-year life to life sentences, with Judge Nancy Margaret Russo calling her "literal hell-on-wheels",

• 1:36:21Patrick Bet-David?

  stating, "This was not reckless driving, this was murder." Security footage revealed Sharilla deliberately accelerated her Toyota Camry to 100 miles an hour, veered off the road and crashed into a brick warehouse, killing both passengers instantly. The prosecution argued she acted with purpose and intent due to a strained relationship with Russo. Though THC levels in her system exceeded the legal limit, no DUI charges were pursued. What, what's this one here, Rob? What's the clip that you have?

• 1:36:48Speaker 05

  This is her arrest where she complains about the, uh, the handcuffs breaking her wrist bracelet.

• 1:36:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it. Step out for me.

• 1:36:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm Detective Hazeal. I'm the one who's been investigating.

• 1:37:02Tom Ellsworth?

  You're under arrest for aggravated murder times two. Jeez. Nobody's gonna ask you any questions. Nobody's gonna bother you. Can I have your key, please? Could you please be careful taking this one off so it doesn't break the bracelet? You got it. You got it.

• 1:37:17Tom Ellsworth?

  No. Thank you. You got it.

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• 1:38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your mother?

• 1:38:22Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:38:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's that running?

• 1:38:24Speaker 05

  This is her parents.

• 1:38:28Adam Sosnick?

  How do you say this? Progressive Alameda, car and two building. Two are deceased in the vehicle. Daughter's driving.

• 1:38:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Who died?

• 1:38:37Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know who that... There's one that we don't know. His name's Jacob. Does anyone know Jacob?

• 1:38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Dom?

• 1:38:42Adam Sosnick?

  No. Scott, let him talk. Guys.

• 1:38:46Adam Sosnick?

  I know, we've been dealing with this. Your daughter's okay. She's talking to us. I talked to her, okay? Your daughter's alive, okay? Your daughter's alive. She was driving.

• 1:38:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's that? Jacob and who?

• 1:39:01Adam Sosnick?

  I think... What's the name you said?

• 1:39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Dom?

• 1:39:04Adam Sosnick?

  Might be.

• 1:39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my God. Scott!

• 1:39:07Adam Sosnick?

  What's his relation to...

• 1:39:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Point, point, point.

• 1:39:10Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, then Dom was in the car.

• 1:39:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Scott! Oh my God!

• 1:39:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me? Count three, murder. The court having had count three tried to in pursuant waiver. Fines and defendant Mackenzie Sherrill guilty of murder.

• 1:39:25Adam Sosnick?

  To win Dominique Russo in violation of Mahari Vice Code Section 2903.02B is charged in count three. Count four, murder. The court having had count four tried to a

• 1:39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Fifteen years to life, two of, so thirty, she's gonna get thirty.

• 1:39:41Adam Sosnick?

  Guilty of murder to win Dominique Russo in violation of Mahari Vice Code Section 2903. Point 02B is charged in count four.

• 1:39:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:39:51Adam Sosnick?

  Count five, felony assault.

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  I, I, I, I think, um, listen, it, it wasn't like she made a mistake, guys. This girl, this is premeditated. She put them in the car and she purposely drove them to murder them, okay? And she's gonna get to see the light of day at some point. How old is she right now, Robbie? She's eighteen? High, I'll have to find. Okay, high on marijuana, you know what I'm saying? I don't, making stupid decisions. I think this is a, it's a deeper, uh, angle with, you know, drugs, irresponsibility, lack of consequences. Those kids are gone, those families are freaking ruined and she's gonna be able to see the light of day again. I would have put her life in prison, cuz nobody, everybody wants to say have leniency, but it's not your kids. Your son wasn't in that car. Your daughter wasn't, you know what I mean?

• 1:40:37Speaker 04

  That, that, that, that to me is absolutely ridiculous. She's a murderer, she premeditated it and she should be punished accordingly.

• 1:40:43Tom Ellsworth?

  There is a side of this, um, that I read, that it was, the word that I read was fluke. It was a fluke in the way the crash happened, that she was not injured at all. And that, that no one can read inside her, her mind, but that this was a, um...

• 1:41:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the car?

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  That's the car, Tommy. That's the car.

• 1:41:08Tom Ellsworth?

  That, that, that this was a, basically a murder-suicide. Her intent was that everybody's going together.

• 1:41:15Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:41:15Tom Ellsworth?

  You know what I mean? Um, and so you, you look at that and you're saying...

• 1:41:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I just texted you the clip if you...

• 1:41:22Speaker 04

  And that's the side of, obviously where her, where he was sitting. Her side is less damaged, obviously.

• 1:41:28Tom Ellsworth?

  And they said it was a fluke.

• 1:41:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:41:30Tom Ellsworth?

  That, you, I mean, come on. It wasn't like she stopped on the freeway, he got out and got hit by a truck. She deliberately had that horrible crash and, um...

• 1:41:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Anyway, what I read was that the speculation was in her mental state. She was depressed, she was angry, and she was high.

• 1:41:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Go halfway, Rob, go halfway.

• 1:41:47Tom Ellsworth?

  And it was like a murder-suicide.

• 1:41:50Speaker 04

  Tom, could that be, and that, yeah, and I know people are asking, how do you know it wasn't, it was a...

• 1:41:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this.

• 1:41:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Speaker 04

  Dude. Wow. 100 miles an hour. And that right turn that you were talking about in court, because I saw the thing, in court, the lawyer was arguing, you see, Rob, go to that, can you go to the one before, Robbie? Just right before this happens, Tom, she takes this little turn. She, look, yeah, you can fast forward it, Rob, to where this is her, right before taking, because they died down the street. Look at her, take this right turn, calm and collected, they're in the car, everything is good. By the way, it's 5:30 in the morning, and then she accelerates. And then she does that. And then she does that because he broke up with her. Because they were fighting. Okay. Yeah. If that's your kid, if that's your kid in that car, you want her to spend the rest of her life in prison. Plain and simple.

• 1:42:43Speaker 04

  That's it, I'm sorry, you made a mistake. Now pay the price.

• 1:42:46Tom Ellsworth?

  That's, um, that's tough to watch, I feel for...

• 1:42:50Speaker 04

  Everybody.

• 1:42:51Tom Ellsworth?

  We showed the parents of her, uh, receiving the news. Could you imagine the parents of the two children that died?

• 1:42:58Speaker 04

  I think they actually did, which sucks.

• 1:42:59Tom Ellsworth?

  That, uh, imagine their response to receiving this message? You know, Pat, you say something, um, taught us something, and I repeat it all the time, especially when giving advice to young people from, you know, your teenage years up till 20, the number one goal is, don't screw it up. Don't mess it up, right? Second chapter of your life, make your money. Third chapter, fulfill a purpose. Fourth chapter, give back, right? So here are two young people that are never even going to get to the second, third, fourth chapter of life. And by the way, her life is obviously ruined. But, you know, this, why do you think she did this? She's in love. Her boyfriend did something at seventeen, eighteen years old.

• 1:43:42Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, we've all been in love when we're seventeen, eighteen years old. You, this first love, this emotion, it's running wild. You think that everything, that life is, it's all happening right now. But when you pan out, you're gonna have other relationships, you're gonna have other friendships. You know, we say play the long game here. This girl's so caught up in the moment that this, whatever minor situation that he did, it affected her so much that now she's spending, how many years in jail? Thirty. Okay, and there's two dead people here. So emotions will get the best of you and, um, Tom. This is another exhibit. Well, beyond the first point, which was my very mechanical research into it,

• 1:44:25Tom Ellsworth?

  you know, and that's hard to watch and that the, the sound is horrifying. You know, you've got a situation now with, with parents that are gonna reflect back and saying, wow, all of our child rearing, all the things we did, all the things we set up, all the examples we set, all the guardrails, if any, and now she's driving while stoned, high. We know that because of the THC levels were there. Exceeding the legal limit, I didn't know there was a legal limit for THC in that state, actually. You know, I know there's DUIs, but I think that, you know, you gotta look back

• 1:45:08Tom Ellsworth?

  and to the Michigan case with the shooter. Parents gotta take some accountability here. And gotta take some accountability, you know, insurance companies are, we'll go back to that, are really good at making you pay if your kids broke a $2,000 window with a baseball in your neighbor's house and your kid's not eighteen. That insurance company on that $2,000 window with labor and everything, three grand to replace it, their insur, homeowner's insurance company is gonna be really good at finding you and asking you to pay for that. Of course. They're really good at that. And Michigan got, has said, hey, you know what? You're buying guns, you got them in the house, you've got this,

• 1:45:51Tom Ellsworth?

  and you're responsible for deeds to your kids, you know? There needs to be parental accountability here. And it needs to be accountability for whatever you did, however you raised her, whatever happened. Something broke and something wasn't right. And she thinks it's okay to be high and driving, number one. Number two, she's in a relationship with somebody. Where were you with the breakup? What do you know about it? How close are you to your kid with what they're going through with their friends? Do you know who's in your circle around your kids? Do you know who's in your kids' ears? That's your responsibility as a parent. Kids will hide, kids will have secret friends, kids will do things. But transparency, guardrails, active parenting is all there to prevent it.

• 1:46:33Tom Ellsworth?

  And those parents are very shocked, as any parents would be getting the news. But the question is, where were you? Where were you? And how in your household did she, you know? How was she raised and what was permissible, what was wasn't? And I think we're entering an era where we're really gonna look long and hard about parental responsibility in a lot of these things. Kids will do dumb things, but they will do less dumb things when raised well.

• 1:47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you know, when he said, "Where were you? Where were you?" You know what movie that's from? Johnny Cash. Father and son are sitting at the table, I think it's Thanksgiving. And the father's throwing Joaquin Phoenix under the bus for not being there the day his brother died. And you know that whole difficult scene of Johnny Cash? And he's saying, "Where were you?" And finally, Joaquin Phoenix, Johnny Cash, flips on and says, "Where were you? Where were you as a father?" And it was a, "You just took me there right now and I got the chills all over my body." No, it's true, but also at the same time, man, like you, you have to, you have to realize, you know, when you're younger, your temperament, where you're at, how you can flip out, you know, you're, oh, you're, oh, think about your temperament right now and you're older.

• 1:47:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And then add your testosterone level at 16, 17, 18, you're trying to figure yourself out. Then add mom and dad, maybe are not living with you. You have, you know, challenges, issues going through, you're trying to kind of figure out friendships, being accepted. It, it, it's such a delicate, delicate moment where you need every single help possible to shape your kids into the right mindset, whether it's God, whether it's anything. You know, we're having conversations about, with the kids earlier. When New Year's about the key word I talked to them about was being intentional. And then this, this, this week, I talked about on last week's business plan, the three words for 2025. One of them was being signaled and controlling the noise.

• 1:48:29Patrick Bet-David?

  If you can learn how to live your life with the noise, you know, noise of people saying things about you. That's I tell my kids, let's role play. Kids in school say, well, you don't know your daddy's death. What do you say to them? I'm gonna punch him in the face. No, you can't do that. You're gonna say this. What are you gonna tell them? What if they say this? And what if they say this? And I'm poking them. How are you gonna manage this noise? How are you gonna handle it? And they're getting upset with me. I'm like, why are you getting upset with me? This is coming around the corner, kid. You're a kid right now. What are you gonna do when you get older? And you read stuff, you think we're getting fired right now? You think this is just gonna stay the way it is right now? You think we got a glimpse of it in 2024? What do you think's gonna happen at 2030?

• 1:49:12Patrick Bet-David?

  When you're 18 years old, when you're 17 years old, when your sister's 14 years old, when Brooklyn is nine years old? What do you think's gonna happen? What do you think's gonna? We talked about this last week. Was it last week when we talked about the noise that we have to be?

• 1:49:23Speaker 04

  Last week.

• 1:49:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think it was last one, when after the podcast, we talked about what's gonna happen with the noise. But, man, uh, uh, parents have to spend that additional time talking to them. Rob, is this the mom, Rob, Vinny, is this?

• 1:49:34Speaker 04

  This is the mother learning that her son is gone after the accident, which I, and again, and you're, and you're nailing it. It's about those conversations which, and we saw the other girl, the, the actual killers, uh, parents, they look like a normal family. They're, they're emotional, they're sad, the smoking marijuana, the lack of this, like, it takes a certain type of person to have that clique to become a murderer. That, that, that's not just a random thing. This is the mother of her son, uh, finding out that she was-

• 1:50:00Tom Ellsworth?

  So why is this filmed? Is this like a body cam?

• 1:50:02Speaker 04

  Body cam from a cop.

• 1:50:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Got it.

• 1:50:03Speaker 04

  You wanna, you wanna see this? Yeah. I, I don't, I don't really wanna see it, but- I don't wanna see this.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Two passengers. Like I said, we're, we're Stadia.

• 1:50:11Speaker 04

  I don't wanna see this.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  Who we believe is dominant. Okay. From what Mackenzie told us.

• 1:50:15Speaker 04

  Okay. Okay. Both Davion and Dominic are deceased. Oh, God.

• 1:50:23Speaker 04

  That's, I mean, that sucks, Adam, but that's the reality of it. That and that and that's what now she has to live with that for the rest of her life. That girl's gonna be in jail getting paid or getting taxpayer money to keep her alive. And then she's gonna come and see the light of day. They're never gonna get their kids back.

• 1:50:36Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:36Speaker 04

  It's over. I think we have to see stuff like this because that's the sad reality of it. That's the sad part that nobody wants to talk about and see.

• 1:50:43Adam Sosnick?

  What's the worst that the kid, the boyfriend could have possibly done?

• 1:50:48Speaker 04

  I don't love you.

• 1:50:49Adam Sosnick?

  What?

• 1:50:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:50:49Adam Sosnick?

  Walk me through the, there's nothing about this girl that I can tell that she's, you know, Charles Manson in a skirt.

• 1:50:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:50:57Adam Sosnick?

  She's an emotional teenager who's, her boyfriend maybe flirted with a different girl at 17 years old.

• 1:51:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, you murder, kill both.

• 1:51:05Adam Sosnick?

  And she freaks out.

• 1:51:06Speaker 04

  And the friend.

• 1:51:07Adam Sosnick?

  So.

• 1:51:07Speaker 04

  And the friend gets it.

• 1:51:08Adam Sosnick?

  It's controlling your emotions. Like Pat said, it's horrible, tragic. I don't want to see this.

• 1:51:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's tough. It's, it's tough to say the least and condolences to the families who have to hear with a surprise messaging like this. This is why parents ought to be involved with the friends and have conversations. Read a book a long time ago. It was called Thank God It's Monday. Rob, I think we talked about this with Chase Hughes. And you remember it took you a minute to find the book, so don't worry about trying to find the book. He says, this guy was a psychologist. He would talk to men who were so happy they were going back to work on Monday to be away from the family and all the drama. Like, it's kind of like that movie with the remote control. What's the father that Adam Sandler?

• 1:51:50Speaker 04

  Click.

• 1:51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Click? Is this called like, man, I just want to fricking fast forward this part of life.

• 1:51:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it was called Click.

• 1:51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  There are certain things in life you can't fast forward. There are certain things in life you cannot match up. There are certain things and things in life. I watched Tom. Vinny, when I tell you guys this, I watched Tom, no matter where we are in the world, no matter what time it is, he always called Bailey, he always called Brooke, checking on their day, telling them he loves them, always, no matter where it was, every single time. And look at his girls today.

• 1:52:22Speaker 04

  Look at the result.

• 1:52:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That is a byproduct of a phenomenal fricking father that Tom is. Phenomenal father that Tom is.

• 1:52:30Adam Sosnick?

  Shout out to you, Tom.

• 1:52:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, no question about it.

• 1:52:32Adam Sosnick?

  Real quick, what this thing did to me was made me realize this.

• 1:52:37Adam Sosnick?

  That mom, she ain't getting her kid back. The other parent, she ain't getting her kid back. The two parents, they just lost their daughter. Jail for thirty years. You know, we're talking about all these fires in LA right now. Houses, gone. One of our friends here, I don't want to say his name, but from LA, you know I'm talking about? C-suite executive here. You know, his childhood home burnt down, burnt down. He showed me the photo. And he was just like, yeah, this is it. Calm, collective. I go, how are you so calm right now? He's also the guy that walked into the glass. He goes, look, man, it's a house, it's a property. You can replace that.

• 1:53:21Adam Sosnick?

  You can't replace family. And that's what this is making, that's why I'm like, I don't want to see this video of the mother crying. These people are going to be able to build their houses, some things are going to be financially unstable for a while, but that's the real tragedy right there, losing a kid, losing family right there. Put things in perspective.

• 1:53:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Tough to see that. Okay, so, um, next story to go to, let me see what stories I had at the top that, uh, for us to go through that was non-addendum related. Okay.

• 1:53:52Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe a lighthearted story.

• 1:53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's go, let's go to the, this next story. Um, all right, so only sixteen percent of Americans say Disney content is better than it was in the past. All right, sixteen percent. Um, Disney content better than it was before. Erasmus and poll found that only sixteen percent of Americans believe Disney's content is better than it was in the past, while forty-seven percent say it's worse, twenty-nine percent believe it has stayed the same. Uh, amongst Republicans, sixty-five percent believe, uh, uh, percent, uh, think Disney's entertainment has gone worse, revealing what poll described as profound image crisis for Disney. Disney's twenty twenty-four Star Wars spinoff, uh, Acolyte, was canceled after one season despite an estimated cost of close to a quarter of a billion dollars. Oh my God.

• 1:54:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The series featured a transgender actor. Is this a, serious, Rob?

• 1:54:43Speaker 05

  I didn't hear about the show, but I'll look it up.

• 1:54:45Patrick Bet-David?

  The series featured a transgender actor as well as a coven of seemingly lesbian witches. Which showrunner Leslie Headland, calling it the gayest Star Wars ever. Following backlash, Headland later backtracked somewhat, but the damage was done, making another high-profile failure for Disney. Is this, is this a joke?

• 1:55:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:55:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Jake, was that Jake's voice?

• 1:55:12Speaker 05

  Jake.

• 1:55:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What, so Jake, what do you know about the story here? The gayest Star Wars ever?

• 1:55:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh huh?

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• 1:56:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up, Rob, the picture of it to see what this actually looked like? Not even play a clip? So zoom in a little bit, so, so who's, zoom in? Can we see this? That's the poster?

• 1:56:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So who's the transgender here?

• 1:56:43Speaker 04

  That's the secret. You can't tell.

• 1:56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  They spent a quarter of a billion dollars on this and they shut it down.

• 1:56:49Speaker 04

  And one season?

• 1:56:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, who is this person, the showrunner? Leslie Headland, with a Y. Leslie Headland. Uh, Headland, yeah, is that it?

• 1:57:00Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:57:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we see who she is? Zoom in a little bit, it's American Film Terms of Sycamore, I'm probably right. Dedicated a comedic film to bachelorette, sleeping with other people. Co-created Russian Doll, earned a two-time prime, how many? Outstanding, was on the writing comedy, creator, showrunner, Disney, Star Wars, and Acolyte 2020's players, she has written the cos- assistant's cos- well, okay, so. Forty-four, forty-five, Maryland, US, spouses Rebecca Henderson. Oh, so she is a, a part of the LGBTQ community. And she called this movie the gayest movie ever? Like.

• 1:57:30Speaker 04

  Was she saying that as a compliment?

• 1:57:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought, I thought it was a shot, so let's just see. Upon graduating from Headland, spent six years working as an assistant at Miramax, one year which she spent as Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant. So she was Harvey's personal assistant, her experience during that time is what inspired her 2012 play, The Assistant, so she claims she was not physically assaulted by Weinstein and did not witness any incidents. Go a little lower, Rob, to see what else she says. Keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower, keep going lower.

• 1:57:58Speaker 04

  She wasn't his type.

• 1:58:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Rotten Tomatoes, uh, uh, the series has an average rating of seventy-eight percent based on two hundred and forty-six, uh, critic reviews, Hollywood Reporter, comes on. The, okay, of course, they're gonna say, so if there was, so good, why did it? Shut down, go a little lower again, Rob, lower, I think, Leslie Headland. Okay, so now maybe if, who's this Rebecca Henderson, Rebecca Henderson, can you just click on her name right there? Let's see who she is, she's somebody that was in Hollywood as well. Canadian actress, she's known for portrayal of Lizzie on Netflix series Russian Doll. Okay, Henderson was born and raised in Canada, she moved to New York. Got it, October nineteenth, it was announced that the couple, got it. So go to the quote, is there a clip of her saying like this is the gayest ever? Is there a video clip?

• 1:58:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, he just said it to Rob in the PBD podcast, Prep Robbie, that's a, that's the, now I know exactly who she is. This is the video that I saw of them, Tom, of them, Rob, uh, interviewing and they're laughing about how.

• 1:58:54Tom Ellsworth?

  My intuition is, is that she's, she's not saying it disparagingly.

• 1:58:57Patrick Bet-David?

  She's saying it in a way like, come see it, it's the gayest.

• 1:59:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Here we go.

• 1:59:01Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's see, here we go.

• 1:59:02Speaker 04

  And then we wonder why your, your shit fails.

• 1:59:07Patrick Bet-David?

  The way she's sitting.

• 1:59:08Speaker 02

  This is, I would say arguably the gayest Star Wars.

• 1:59:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob.

• 1:59:13Speaker 04

  Loud, loud, yeah.

• 1:59:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, it's way too loud, bro. Lord audio, please.

• 1:59:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Gay!

• 1:59:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you do that? Yeah, thank you. Go for it.

• 1:59:20Speaker 02

  I want to ask you both, because this is, I would say arguably the gayest.

• 1:59:23Speaker 04

  He's not gay.

• 1:59:24Speaker 02

  By a considerable margin. And, uh, are you excited about that? Are you bracing yourself? Not thinking of Star Wars. Not thinking.

• 1:59:32Speaker 04

  Go.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  It's pretty good, let's be honest.

• 1:59:34Speaker 04

  Shante.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  Wesley, are you? How do you feel?

• 1:59:37Speaker 04

  Am I gay? Yes.

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  No, I know you are gay, but I'm asking, are you excited about putting this? You know, this is gonna be a talking point. Is it gonna be a talking point? I'm sure some. Because nerds are gay. Well, not, well, some nerds are very not gay and are very threatened by gay stuff. Well, that's true, but in my world, nerds are gay.

• 1:59:55Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 1:59:56Speaker 02

  Is this the fun elements of? No, I don't think so. And yet, people have told me that it's the gayest Star Wars. And I frankly.

• 2:00:03Speaker 04

  You're offended?

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Into it. No.

• 2:00:06Speaker 04

  Two hundred and fifty million dollars later.

• 2:00:08Speaker 02

  Star Wars is so gay already. Okay. I mean, have you seen The Fitz? We'd be like, look how gay this is, and then send each other a reference photo. And are you telling me, with a straight face, that C3PO is straight? They're a couple. That's what I think.

• 2:00:22Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. And you guys want to wonder why you lost money?

• 2:00:25Speaker 02

  I think it's canon that R2-D2 is, is a lesbian.

• 2:00:27Speaker 04

  Oh, interesting.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Aspelani. Okay.

• 2:00:31Speaker 04

  Look, Akle, even the word Akle has like a rainbow-ish. But, and, and, and you would, guys, you would, you would think.

• 2:00:37Patrick Bet-David?

  I was uncomfortable to watch.

• 2:00:38Speaker 04

  That's horrible. And they lost, and, and they, they keep dumping money into these horrible woke LGBTQ ideas. And guys, by the way, nerds obviously don't like it. And nerds, there's some gay, they're not, they don't like it. You're, you're poisoning something that, that was meant to entertain. And now it's just gone completely LGBTQAI plus, whatever other letters that they have. And I'm, I'm happy to see that these freaking net, they're losing. The studio lost two hundred and fifty million dollars because of these giggling idiots.

• 2:01:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, we, we've been talking about.

• 2:01:11Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, Disney, Tom, Bob Iger could have given that two hundred and fifty million dollars, just so you guys know, to Stephen A. Smith.

• 2:01:17Speaker 04

  He could have.

• 2:01:18Tom Ellsworth?

  That's exactly right. And.

• 2:01:20Speaker 04

  Way better than.

• 2:01:20Adam Sosnick?

  I'll tell you that much.

• 2:01:21Speaker 05

  Well, why not?

• 2:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Tom.

• 2:01:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Should have given at least, uh, at least 90 of it.

• 2:01:26Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 2:01:27Tom Ellsworth?

  If Stephen A is listening, he knows what I mean.

• 2:01:29Speaker 05

  Cut. Give him the check.

• 2:01:31Tom Ellsworth?

  So what you have on here is you have to remember who greenlit this. Iger greenlit this.

• 2:01:35Speaker 05

  Of course he did.

• 2:01:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Probably two to three years ago. And, uh, what's her name? Kathleen Kennedy? Uh, who is part of that? And so this comes right out of the, um, pre fake shift at Disney. Cause Disney's trying to make a fake shift, right? They're trying to say, oh, we're, it's really not this. It's really not that. And they're trying to make this, this fake shift and get people back in the parks and build content. And so instead this thing comes out, which was greenlit two years ago, and it just shows you. You just saw what a bubble looks like. That is a thought bubble, a creative bubble. You just saw the bubble. And it's like, are you three people serious? The one guy's that is apparently a journalist covering it or a PR guy.

• 2:02:21Tom Ellsworth?

  But you're looking into that and you're saying, so you people are making the decision. Does it surprise you that that's the movie that came out if that was the creative people in the room? She's a showrunner.

• 2:02:30Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:02:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Right? So exactly. And so it doesn't surprise me. What surprised me is there's actually 16% of Americans that thought the content's better. Right? I, I, that, that's the, that's the curiosity I have is where are the 16% somewhere? Do they, do they all live in, do they all live, just live in West Hollywood?

• 2:02:49Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:02:49Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, and this isn't an attack on anybody's lifestyle. My point is if you live in a bubble like that and you're building and you're making content for a more broad-based audience. Says, you know, there's, that's, that's a little over the top with all, what was the joke they were making about, you know? You know, R2-D2, are you do me or whatever the name of the robot she was talking about? Whatever she was saying.

• 2:03:13Speaker 04

  Or whatever the hell it was.

• 2:03:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, CP3O is, they're saying, are you telling me straight?

• 2:03:16Speaker 05

  Here's the challenge they're having. And Pat pointed this out not so long ago. It's who is Disney's customer? Is it kids? Not really. It's the parents. Cause the parents gotta take their kids to go watch these movies. The parents have to go take their 12-year-old, 10-year-old, five-year-old, whatever it is, to go watch these movies, to buy these products. So the parents. So who's having kids? Well, more often than not, it's usually a man and a woman having kids.

• 2:03:43Adam Sosnick?

  Kids. So this isn't anything about anti-gay or anti-LGBT. It's just understanding your customer. What is it called? Know your customer rules? Isn't that a thing in business? Know your customer?

• 2:03:55Patrick Bet-David?

  In insurance it is for fraud, right?

• 2:03:57Adam Sosnick?

  So, well, this turned out to be a fraud of capitalism over here and fraud of basically running a company. Because Disney's stock price has basically pummeled since all these go woke, go broke movies came out. You know, speaking of go woke, go broke, Disney's stock price plummeted since basically 2020. When everyone realized what the hell's happening with all these cancel culture, DEI agendas out here. So I remember as a kid growing up, Lion King, fricking Hakuna Matata, you're kidding me? The Little Mermaid, I mean, all the girls like that kind of stuff. Aladdin, kid, awesome movies. What are the movies they make now? What is this? I don't know what it is. So as a parent, I'd have a very hard time being, looking at Disney being like,

• 2:04:41Adam Sosnick?

  yes, we're gonna go, we're gonna go pay money for these movies. We're gonna go spend money, give this company money. Here's the thing. What percentage of America is actually gay or LGBT? 2%, 5%, whatever it is. But in Hollywood, Hollywood, what percentage are LGBT? Let's say it's 20%. It's probably more. So you have people, 20, 30, 40, 50% of Hollywood, 5% LGBT. Dictating culture to kids and to parents. So it's a supply and demand issue.

• 2:05:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And look, again, remember earlier, we talked about a person at 37 years old has the kid, thinking about buying a house, business, all that other stuff. This is your state. This is your state. This is what they want to do. The school, the education, the ideas, the policies, Disney, California. They believe this is the norm. Again, more of a reason to realize what direction things are going. FYI, bad thing about Hollywood and movies is when you make a movie and you say yes to a movie.

• 2:05:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't change your mind for five years. Let's think about it. So right now, Bob Iger is sitting there saying, oh, my God, I got two more years of shitty movies coming out that I gotta put up with, that everyone's gonna be talking about me. But I can't wait for 2027, you know, if he's even thinking that. But what a bad place to be for a guy like him, that he knows there's a couple more bad movies coming out that we don't even know about.

• 2:06:10Adam Sosnick?

  And you know what's crazy? You could cancel, but you could sit on them and they'll do it. But I mean, it's it'd be a waste of $250 million.

• 2:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, let's see what happens. So here we go. Again, he could have saved that money and just given it to Stephen A.

• 2:06:22Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, he needs to.

• 2:06:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So Hamas, Hamas expected to release 33 hostages in first phase of emergent deal. Israeli officials say, okay, this is a CNN story. They could have added something to the title, but they did not. But it's okay. So let's go through it. Hamas is expected to release 33 hostages in the first phase of ceasefire deal after being finalized in Doha as confirmed by senior Israel officials. President Joe Biden described the deal as aiming to free the hostages, halt the fighting, provide security to Israel and allow us to significantly search humanitarian assistance to Palestinians who suffered terribly in this war that Hamas started. They have been through hell. Negotiations involve a 42 day ceasefire and stipulate

• 2:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  that hostages released may include both living individuals and the bodies of those deceased. With ongoing logistical talks in Doha, key figures and developments and negotiations include Mossad director David Barnia to senior Israel official who stated there is a talk of engagement agreement in the near future. It is impossible to say whether it's a matter of hours or days. Adam.

• 2:07:26Adam Sosnick?

  Well, look, first and foremost, is it ironic that this announcement, when there has not been any movement with hostages in months and months and months under the Biden administration, do you find it a little ironic this is happening one week until Trump takes over office? Because what did Trump say? If these hostages aren't returned by the time I take. Office, what were the words?

• 2:07:52Speaker 05

  I have it right here.

• 2:07:52Adam Sosnick?

  Hamas, you're gonna have hell to pay? So, the people of Gaza have paid a lot, paid a hefty price already. Tom, do you have the quote?

• 2:07:59Speaker 04

  Is that the video? Is that the video?

• 2:08:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 2:08:00Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Run this right here. Last Wednesday, when President-elect Trump was at Mar-a-Lago and spoke about the hostages.

• 2:08:06Adam Sosnick?

  Go ahead.

• 2:08:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Better get done by the inaugural. But when you say all hell will be paid.

• 2:08:12Tom Ellsworth?

  That all hell must be paid if they don't release the hostages. Well, do I have to define it for you? All hell will break out. If those hostages aren't back, I don't want to hurt your negotiation. If they're not back by the time I get into office, all hell will break out in the Middle East. And it will not be good for Hamas, and it will not be good frankly for anyone. All hell will break out. I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.

• 2:08:37Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you. By the way, disagree with Trump, agree with Trump, he took a stance.

• 2:08:43Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 2:08:44Adam Sosnick?

  Joe Biden tried to pander to the Jewish people, tried to pander to the Muslim people, and Trump won not only the Jewish vote, he also won the Muslim vote, did he not? Because at least the Muslims, they want peace and prosperity as well, do they not? So, a person who was a slave, what does it say in the Bible? A person who, if you don't pick a path, basically you're a slave to two masters, no one can serve two masters. He said this, "I'm standing with Israel right here." We know where he stands. By the way, speaking of Hamas, they're the only terrorist group, terrorist group, that has worldwide sympathizers.

• 2:09:22Adam Sosnick?

  Nobody's marching for ISIS, nobody's marching for Al Qaeda, nobody's marching for Hezbollah, nobody's marching for Islamic Jihad. It's only Hamas. Ask yourself why. Go ahead, you know the answer.

• 2:09:36Speaker 04

  Tom?

• 2:09:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I think this is a, this is what leadership looks like. Take a look at the way the Democrats campaign. They campaign on feelings, right?

• 2:09:46Tom Ellsworth?

  We'll step aside from the "I'm not Trump." That was the strategy, be not Trump. But it's all about feelings. You have been deprived by them. You have been discriminated by them. Feelings, feelings, feelings. They, it's all about feelings and when you get into facts, they don't want to talk about it. Because they want to create the angry feeling response in the voter. And when you go to negotiate and your tactic to win an election, Joe Biden, was based on feelings. And when the strategies you use are feelings projected by media. And the person on the other side goes, "That's all you've got is feelings?"

• 2:10:29Tom Ellsworth?

  And they laugh at you, Hamas, they laugh at that. And then a guy with substance, who says, "Simple words." "I don't need to define that for you." You know who he's talking to? He's talking to Hamas and he's telling them, "I don't need to define that for you either." And when leadership that has substance, that knows that reasonable actions are going to follow reasonable conclusions. And that statements are not to be doubted because the actions will follow and you're not going to like the consequence. It's decisions have consequences. You have made the decision. I will bring the consequences. And it's action.

• 2:11:10Tom Ellsworth?

  It's leadership and action that you're seeing out of Trump there and they're moving, not unlike what Ronald Reagan. Because you know what the best position for America is? The best position for America is when the rest of the world thinks that our guy is decisive and a little crazy. I love that. Because that is our card.

• 2:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, that, that, "Our guy and a little crazy." He's got a lot of events he's going to be at the next few days. While these things are taking place. The current national

• 2:11:42Speaker 04

  Security advisor.

• 2:11:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Security advisor. Here's a video

• 2:11:45Speaker 04

  Jake Sullivan.

• 2:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Before we got started, Jake Sullivan. And I think Vinny, you asked me the question before you played it and I didn't know where you were going with it. Do you mind asking the same question of the audience?

• 2:11:55Speaker 04

  Okay, okay. Wait, well, actually, what

• 2:11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's what Vinny said to me. He says, "I want you to watch this and tell me if there's something weird about the delivery of what he says in this." Folks, just watch it. That's what you said to me and I'm like, "What are you saying, Vinny?" And about 10 seconds into it, you're gonna say, "Why did you say that? You didn't have to say that." What's your point of saying that? Are you insinuating something? Are you suggesting something? Just watch this here. Go for it, Rob.

• 2:12:21Adam Sosnick?

  I just will say, uh, one last word, which is, this is, I hope this is my last time at this podium, at least for a little while. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I mean, the only thing that would bring me back is, um, an unexpected event in the next few days, which as you all know is totally possible,

• 2:12:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would you say that?

• 2:12:38Adam Sosnick?

  Given what you've seen over the course of the past years. Uh, but if it is in fact my last time before you, I just want to say thank you for what you guys do every day. Thank you for putting up with me.

• 2:12:47Speaker 04

  Why would the national security advisor

• 2:12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is fully possible?

• 2:12:51Speaker 04

  Say farewell, but go, "Hey, listen, you might hear from me again if something happens." And I would think, since you're, we're, you're the national security advisor, you have the FBI, we have all these apparatus, you should say, "Nothing is gonna happen because we're secure." He says, "'Cause it could quite possibly almost, he's almost as if he's letting us know, "Something is gonna happen and you are gonna hear from him."

• 2:13:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Or, "I told you so. It's not my fault."

• 2:13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't like, I don't like that at all.

• 2:13:16Adam Sosnick?

  I don't, I don't see it the way you're seeing it.

• 2:13:18Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 2:13:18Adam Sosnick?

  At all, actually.

• 2:13:19Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you see different?

• 2:13:21Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:13:23Adam Sosnick?

  He gives a briefing how often?

• 2:13:25Speaker 04

  Once a week.

• 2:13:26Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. How much more time is he having this job?

• 2:13:29Speaker 04

  No, this might be his last

• 2:13:30Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 2:13:31Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:13:31Adam Sosnick?

  So this is literally his last time speaking.

• 2:13:35Speaker 04

  Unless

• 2:13:35Adam Sosnick?

  Unless something crazy happens.

• 2:13:38Speaker 04

  In a week.

• 2:13:39Adam Sosnick?

  So literally,

• 2:13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:13:41Adam Sosnick?

  Literally, it's his last time speaking, unless something crazy happens. He said, "I hope nothing happens."

• 2:13:49Speaker 04

  We all hope nothing happens, but as we all know, shit happens.

• 2:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 2:13:54Tom Ellsworth?

  That's not what he said.

• 2:13:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay on that. You're right. Everything you said was right up until Rob, play it. This is the statement I have a problem with. Go right in the middle, Rob, if you don't mind.

• 2:14:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Right there.

• 2:14:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Please, press play.

• 2:14:04Adam Sosnick?

  The only thing that would bring me back is um, an unexpected event in the next few days.

• 2:14:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, an unexpected event in the next few days. He's right. That's what we're... But now watch your next sentence. This next sentence, I'm not comfortable with. Go ahead, Rob.

• 2:14:19Adam Sosnick?

  Which, as you all know, is totally possible, given everything you've seen over the course of the past years.

• 2:14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Totally possible? Instead, you reassure the American people to say, which is highly unlikely, because we have such a great leadership team that's working day and night to make sure all the events leading up to the inauguration is gonna be safe and sound, while people come here to celebrate this day, you ensure confidence. You don't make a comment like that. You make a comment like that. You know why you make a comment like that?

• 2:14:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Why is that?

• 2:14:47Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you make a comment like that for?

• 2:14:48Tom Ellsworth?

  To sort of say, hey, give the righties on the wall?

• 2:14:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Or you know something so...

• 2:14:52Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think he has anything to do with the inauguration, though. That's how I'm interpreting this.

• 2:14:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a national security.

• 2:14:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, so I'm thinking about what he's saying is like, hey, under my leadership, under Joe Biden's leadership, we now have more wars around the world, more chaos than we did four years ago. So as you know, anything could happen in the next five, in the next five days. That's how I'm interpreting that.

• 2:15:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm guaranteeing the people watching this and the people that have never heard that are completely, 95% are uncomfortable with the national security advisor going, hey, because we know how shit has happened in the past, people got, been shot, presidents have been shot, it might happen in the next...

• 2:15:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Do I think he should project strength and security? Of course.

• 2:15:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, not that whistle.

• 2:15:30Tom Ellsworth?

  But I, I don't think he's doing anything malicious.

• 2:15:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we'll see. We'll see. We have a week left. Gang, um, we have a couple of special podcasts that'll go out this week. One will be with Scottie Pippen. We had a two-hour-plus conversation. I asked him a question. I said, would you rather have a ring that you want outside of Michael Jordan's help? Or would you rather have gotten paid an additional $100 million? You have to see his answer to that question. Comes out on Friday. And also with all the homelessness stuff that's going on in California, up to 181,000. I think 24% of homelessness in America out of 770,000 is California. And number one is LA. I brought in somebody who lived on Skid Row, seven years, addicted to all the drugs in the world. Heroin, mom died from heroin. And I wanted to find out exactly what happened in LA.

• 2:16:18Patrick Bet-David?

  His podcast, Rob, is going out when?

• 2:16:20Speaker 05

  Tomorrow, Wednesday at 9:00 AM.

• 2:16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Which I can't wait. That's maybe the one I'm very excited about because he actually addresses how to fix the homelessness problem that's going on in the state of California. And then we will be back on Thursday. And meantime, if you have anybody that you want us to face them, a guy just sent me right now a message because I'm asking about charities to trust to give money to. And this guy just messaged me right now saying, don't trust anybody. Here's what we're doing. Here's how we're helping. We need help to make sure that money gets to the right people. If you know someone that you, they're going through something. If some of them, we can only give a thousand dollars, 2,000 dollars. So some of them we're going to give 5, 10,000 dollars to. We have 108,000 dollars that's going to somebody in the next 24 to 48 hours. If you know anybody that's a friend, family member, give us your information. Give us their phone number.

• 2:17:06Patrick Bet-David?

  We'd like to call them to help them out while they're going through these challenging times. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

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