#2518 - Tim Dillon

Tim Dillon is a stand-up comic, actor, and host of “The Tim Dillon Show” podcast. His latest comedy special, “Tim Dillon: I’m Your Mother,” is available on Netflix.www.youtube.com/@TimDillonShowwww.patreon.com/thetimdillonshowhttps://punchup.live/TimDillonwww.timdilloncomedy.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Switch today at https://Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:11Speaker 00

  When I was 13, I was smoking. My father said that to me. He goes, "You know what's a good thing about you?

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  You never smoked them down to the filter." What a good kid.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  And what a great family. What a great family.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was always like, "God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid."

• 0:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  And then I had to do a play once with Adam Ferrara and a couple of other people. And I was supposed to play this, something that a bunch of comics wrote, like funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed to play this tortured liberal arts student and he was smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like 15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it and I threw up. I had a fucking horrible headache. I was like, "Oh my God, I'm so high."

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  My arms don't move right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoked 15 in a row during...

• 0:56Speaker 02

  Were you like an athlete too?

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Oh, so that totally fucked you up.

• 0:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, completely fucked me up.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, the first time I had a cigarette, it's so terrible, but I was like, "This is great."

• 1:07Speaker 02

  My body responded. I don't know how, like what you had is the very normal experience.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, "Ooh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool." I go, "Now I kind of get it. I get why you guys like this."

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  But we were doing this thing and I had to always be smoking. So we had a rehearsal, we were doing it all day and I wanted to try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them and then I liked them, so I kept smoking them.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a tough thing because the thing about, and I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs. And I look at people that are really drunk, it doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good.

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  It looks like, "Ah."

• 1:48Speaker 02

  It always looks good. You never say to yourself, like, "That person's gonna lose..." Now, you'll get sick and die, but you never go, "They're gonna lose control of their life."

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're having one, they're cool, it's fine.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  They're using it to help hang on.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never look cool with it. It's like you look at an actor doing it, or someone at like the Cannes Film Festival. Yeah, someone like that. Timothee Chalamet has one, he's the size of one, and he has one, and I go, that looks fine. Probably in France or something. You know what I mean? They all do shit like that, so you'll see that.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27Joe Rogan?

  Hunter Thompson cigarette holders?

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  That's your next move.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  I just got a-

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  Long stems with the cigarette at the end of it?

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Like nineteen twenties.

• 2:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Like nineteen twenties and...

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's, and it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  And it destroys your clothes, and it's very bad for your health, obviously.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  But it is one of those things, that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you? It kills you and we're raising the price every year.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  How about in England, where they smoke like crazy? You have actual cancer on the fucking cartons.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  When you buy them, when I was in London and you bought one, there was like a dead baby on one of them.

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  A photo of them.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  They were like low birth weight.

• 3:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  I was like, this is terrible.

• 3:09Joe Rogan?

  And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like, they don't understand the way we eat.

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  Gluttony.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  They don't get it. There is, there are, there's something called Toby Carvery, like where you can just, like, just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. But for the most part, the portions are smaller, and people are more behaved in that sense. But they drink more and they smoke.

• 3:36Joe Rogan?

  Mmm, this is it. European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell Ranch and unlimited refills.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah. Because they get sick. When they come here, they get sick because there's chemicals in our food.

• 3:50Joe Rogan?

  Somebody was telling me they went to Buc-E's, and the, the, there was, uh, the soccer teams were at Buc-E's for the first time, and they just fucking couldn't believe it.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, that's your first, one of the first experiences you have in America, you walk into a Buc-E's.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  And you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  It's the, it's one of the most American places, as you've said, that exists. You have this gas station, but it's also like a weird theme park of food?

• 4:19Speaker 02

  And all kinds of other shit that you could need?

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this guy, dude, LM- Mayo at this is a gas station.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, do you see how big they are?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:28Joe Rogan?

  The first two twenty four million views, that's hilarious.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  No, it's completely alien to their culture.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  To have a place like that where you could go buy the Costcos are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and things that you would keep like, you know, like it's all. They all think we're preppers because if you go to like a, a, a big grocery store chain, you're buying food. For a long period of time, they don't do that there. They buy stuff for like the week.

• 4:58Joe Rogan?

  They have small refrigerators.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, small refrigerators, couple of days.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  They don't have refrigerators like we have, but also they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poison.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Right. They also don't think, and they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think the like they're gonna lose access. Because of some race war. You know what I mean? Like there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs that does seem slightly paranoid.

• 5:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, the news media over here ramps you up.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:28Joe Rogan?

  And you, you know, you start thinking about stockpiling gold.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  Listen, when I lived in LA, when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:38Joe Rogan?

  That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically, I go, I need a bug out truck. Like a truck where I could store a lot of shit in it and it could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  I need a car that occasionally shit might go sideways and you gotta get the fuck out of here and you gotta drive through the desert.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Wow. And you, and I've left LA multiple times to make that drive, not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires. Because of riots, like sometimes you just gotta get out of Dodge.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  Three times, I got evacuated three fucking times when I lived there.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:09Joe Rogan?

  And it got us close to like burning my fence down.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  It's part of the LA experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding. But there was just overturned cop cars on fire and it was like riots. This was twenty twenty. So I just got in my car and I went, okay, and I drove to the desert. That's part of the LA.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Experience is fleeing.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  That's what Palm Beach is.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. You, you Palm Springs.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  Palm Springs, right.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  You flee.

• 6:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you flee.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  You go.

• 6:35Joe Rogan?

  I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. It's hot as fuck. There's no water.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  It started because when when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles of until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly 200 miles from LA.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  That's why they started Hollywood. That, you know, they were like, we own you. You can't go anywhere until the film is edited. So if you want to go on a vacation, you have to go there.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's interesting is like Pasadena was where all the like producers live.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:11Joe Rogan?

  There's beautiful houses in Pasadena, man.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Mid-century modern.

• 7:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, incredible places like estates that just seem completely out of place.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Totally beautiful.

• 7:23Joe Rogan?

  Like from another time.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  From another time. Well, that's the thing in LA now. You get the vibe that your your Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's not Hollywood. It's Hollywood the sequel. Like you're not living in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second version of the thing is.

• 7:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. The second of the thing is, the second version is TikTok.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever it is. It's not, it's not what it was in every place seems a little bit like a museum. Or like it was cool 20 years ago or 15 years ago.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

  Somebody recently said this and it's perfect. They said LA is slowly becoming Detroit.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 7:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  The only thing that might save it is the weather.

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• 9:38Joe Rogan?

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• 10:22Joe Rogan?

  So the big industry in Hollywood, regardless of whether or not it's the biggest economic industry, the biggest industry in terms of like cultural value and getting people to move there, was always show business. And that's, they barely make movies anymore.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  They overtaxed and overregulated their biggest industry to other states and other countries. And most people are making things all over the world, and very few, I think, at one time it was like 80 to 90%, now it's 25, 30% shot in LA.

• 10:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  It's a big difference.

• 10:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a giant difference. Well, that arrogance of like, this is the best place in the world, everyone's gonna come here no matter what.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:02Joe Rogan?

  That, that's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he defends California. Talks about how great the GDP is, you know, we're the fifth, we would be the fifth largest economic. You know, he starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics. And this is like, instead of acknowledging, we've got a fucking real problems, people are moving for the first time ever, more than they're coming here.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:23Joe Rogan?

  We're losing all these giant corporations that are, instead of that, it's just this, we're the shit, no one's, that doesn't matter. I'm, I'm very big on California, I'm bullish on California.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:34Joe Rogan?

  It's always gonna be amazing here.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Well, it's what every empire said until they fell.

• 11:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Right?

• 11:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  We're, there's, we are the thing.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  But people don't wanna ever believe that things could fall, it's so weird. We'll, we'll walk right through the Colosseum and go, well, this is gonna never happen again.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Right. When we landed in LA, I looked to the right and that, that warehouse was on fire. With eighty-five billion or eighty-five million tons of chemicals in a warehouse. That was on fire, it was like a multi-day blaze. And you're landing, and you're looking out the window, and you're just seeing the warehouse on fire. And then there was a car fire on the 405. Like, I sold my house, I have an apartment there now, but like, as I was going to my apartment, there was a car on fire. And I was, as I was landing, the warehouse was on fire. And you start thinking to yourself, somebody doesn't want us here. Like, somebody wants us out. Like, it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature.

• 12:29Joe Rogan?

  By nature? Interesting, maybe human nature.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  By bad decisions, by everything.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Which is nature.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, human nature is nature. And the stupidity of humans is, it's no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Do you think it comes back, any shot, any chance?

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Something has to happen.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  Something big has to happen. I mean, there, there has to be something that completely shifts the way LA looks at itself. You know, it has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause the, a big part of LA's problem is, is a bunch of people that are in the. At the industry.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:05Joe Rogan?

  And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that and a giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of shit.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there and the owner of that casino was talking to me. And I said, what would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to LA, but vastly worse.

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, way worse.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  And, and he was telling me, he goes, we have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. So you have a lot of people that are not, for whatever reason, productive. And they are living in one area and everything that comes along with that, which is crime, which is vandalism, which is, you know, disorder to varying degrees. And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses can thrive.

• 13:57Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 13:58Speaker 02

  Which is what happened in New York in the nineties. People hate it. They don't want to admit it. But what happened in New York in the nineties was like, they did clean up a lot of the crime and, and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. But that's what Giuliani did.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  It's what he did, yeah.

• 14:14Joe Rogan?

  And he's demonized.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  He's demonized. He's, he's, he hasn't, he's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would have been amazing. But he's hung around for a while and he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents. So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, had he just cleaned up New York City and then left public life, it would have been like that guy.

• 14:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  But he hung around a little bit and, you know, got involved.

• 14:39Joe Rogan?

  They always have to hang around.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  They always hang around.

• 14:41Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you're gonna do shows. You're always gonna do stand up.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  You're always gonna do shows.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  But he did such a good thing and then it was like, just.

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Just exit.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  He was also, you know, he was easy to make fun of, like the time where he was sweating and his dye.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I mean.

• 14:56Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 14:56Speaker 02

  He's melting, he's doing a press conference in a parking lot.

• 15:00Joe Rogan?

  Don't dye your hair. You're a hundred years old. It's okay to have gray hair. It's just, these guys, there's so much silliness on both sides. You know, there's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:18Joe Rogan?

  You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Not the job.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence and they, you know, and I think a lot of that. The AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to, I think it might, I don't know how quickly it will do this, but I do think it's going to, it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides, and I think it's going to potentially unite people because it's, I, I think it's going to be, the next fight seems to be about surveillance, privacy, your, your own rights, what rights you'll have, like, I feel like that will be, it might take precedent, instead of like, these cultural fights that people have been having

• 16:08Speaker 02

  for a while, it might be like, people might be demanding autonomy, you know, from artificial intelligence.

• 16:17Joe Rogan?

  The problem is gonna be, if you can't demand, if you, if you don't have a voice anymore, and this is the potential nightmare scenario, that we're seeing play out slowly in England.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  So, in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point, where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it. The amount of arrests that people get over there for fucking retweets and likes, retweets and likes.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  That's so crazy to me, that you could get arrested for liking a tweet.

• 16:48Joe Rogan?

  Arrested?

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Not even retweeting, because we all know if you like, you're a piece of shit, you should retweet. We all know that. It, retweet it, so, and if you're gonna go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. If you're gonna get locked up, just retweet it.

• 17:05Joe Rogan?

  What if you get extra years for a retweet versus a like?

• 17:07Speaker 02

  I'm sure. Your honor, my client just liked this, they were confused, they hit a button.

• 17:13Joe Rogan?

  So, as soon as you have people that feel like, the, the reality of the world they live in is not being represented, and they're not allowed to complain about it online, because if they complained about it online, they get arrested.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  So, right now, it's for immigration, primarily, this is the big one.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:30Joe Rogan?

  But, that could change, that could change.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Well, it does seem to be that they, they feel that there was a decision made by somebody, that the public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way, they can only offer their, like, the, if, not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way, but it's their right to do it, it's their country, they should be able to say. I'm worried about increased levels of immigration, you know, and they should be able to say that in an eloquent way, right?

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  So what they're doing now is they're policing certain words and I think certain ways of speaking and they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence. Now, some things clearly are an incitement to violence, but you know, the internet, people speak in a colorful way. People talk using irony, some people are trying to be funny, some people are... So I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, "This person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying."

• 18:46Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then there's also, people were getting arrested for saying that they were rape gangs.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  And there were.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  And there were.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  There were.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  And so this new report, who released this new report that said a quarter million people? It says, "UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far." So this is, uh, April 1st, 2026, uh, but I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a, "Legal social media posts" is which weird. So legal social media posts.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Their law is different than our law. They don't have freedom of speech over there. So incitement to violence is a violation of their law.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's not, clearly not an incitement to violence. But would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs?

• 19:43Speaker 02

  I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days. And you talk to different groups of people and London's a global city, it's a cosmopolitan city, it's like New York. And, you know, I think one of the things that... You know, they're, they're used to diversity there and so they're not full on panicked about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem outside of London, also in London, but outside of London because a lot of the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in, it's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  And a lot of their cultures vary greatly from the English culture in a, in a meaningful way. And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion, whatever it is. There is a cultural tension there between, you know, immigrants, migrants coming in and this, the very established society that's been around for a very long time.

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• 21:34Joe Rogan?

  retain vital nutrients. They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier. And isn't getting more time with our four-legged best friends something every dog owner wants? The answer to that is yes, obviously. So try The Farmer's Dog today and get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food. Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com/rogan. This offer is for new customers only. Like we were talking right before the show. Yeah. Is it about Dearborn?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Dearborn, Michigan.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  So, we're a bunch of really progressive people, thought it's amazing.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  Bring everyone in, everyone, everyone's welcome, and so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor. And then, this guy says, no more pride flags.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  No more pride flags.

• 22:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  They're inching towards what they would like.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:29Joe Rogan?

  Which is Sharia law. If you ask.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 22:31Joe Rogan?

  Most people.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

  Who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress, they're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 22:40Joe Rogan?

  So you've got to factor that in, but at least a percentage of them.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  There's.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  Think Sharia law would be a great idea.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  I think there's certainly a, yeah, I mean, and this was covered up too, a lot of the grooming gang scandal there.

• 22:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so we're looking at it right now, it says, this is on National Review, the UK's horrific rape gangs. So, this, but there was, is this the rape gang inquiry report, right? So who put this report out?

• 23:08Joe Rogan?

  Members of Parliament and Restore Britain Party leader Rupert Lowe. And so, the investigators had limited power such as inability, inability to compel witnesses or require sort of document production that could corroborate some of the most heinous victims. Viewed with those limitations in mind, the independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades. Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is terrible, I mean, obviously, I mean, the.

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  I think they said it was 250,000 girls.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  And this was covered up, because the media didn't want to inflame anger against, you know, population of migrants.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Most of whom, I'm sure, were innocent of this, obviously.

• 23:54Joe Rogan?

  Obviously.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  But it is something that, you know, in a free society, everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  But isn't that crazy that in the, under the guise of progressiveness.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  You've enabled rape gangs.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Well, 100%, it's crazy, but it's also incredibly.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  It's not shocking because the ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now, whereas basically if the goal is to just eliminate, you know, whatever it's being called, like this patriarchal, white, male-dominated society, and if you want to get rid of that, and that's the end goal, a lot of people ignore what happens in the middle. Like, a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process, because their end goal really is to kind of decrease the

• 25:00Speaker 02

  power of people they disagree with, you know? So, I mean, it's like, you know, it's hard to look at this and not see a design, and I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's odd that this is all happenstance, because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it. So, I would imagine that at some point, you know, for example, like, countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this, it's, you know, they're part of the EU, and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So, the EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, here's

• 25:44Speaker 02

  how many migrants you have to admit, here's your carbon emission standards, here's your, you know, monetary policy, whatever it is. And Ireland is kind of, in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty. They're losing their ability to chart the course of their own country to a supranational organization that's, that primarily seems concerned with the economics, because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy, which is what they're doing. A lot of people in Europe are not having children. So, a lot of these economies are run by people that are not really too concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in, they're looking more about how

• 26:28Speaker 02

  do we grow this economy, how do we get cheap, you know, help, and how do we get workers? And a lot of it is, you're getting third-world migrants. Some of it's genuine refugees, for sure, but a lot of it's economic migration. People are coming for a better life, hard to blame them. But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's the question. If you lived in Ireland, do you get to have a better life? Do your economic prospects get to grow? Do your children get to own property? Do they get to have health insurance and a job and things like that? And no one seems that concerned about that. Like, these citizens who've lived forever in these countries,

• 27:11Speaker 02

  whose grandparents have fought and died in wars to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, Britain, UK, you know, things like that. Those citizens seem to not be as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems that they're having there.

• 27:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's really interesting to watch. Because if there is a plan, I mean, it's not interesting, it's kind of horrific. But it's interesting in that-

• 27:40Speaker 02

  It can be both.

• 27:41Joe Rogan?

  It can be both.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  If there is a plan, like, whose plan? Whose plan and who's benefiting from this? Like, why would you do this?

• 27:50Speaker 02

  I think it's a small group of people that concern themselves primarily with economic matters. They don't care that nation-states have cultures and histories and customs. And that doesn't really, that doesn't bother them as much. And their basic, their basic, you know, response is to just deal with it. And to call everyone a racist who questions it, or to say everyone's a jingoist, or ethnocentric, or anti-immigrant, or whatever. They shut down those conversations. And I think it's because a lot of people believe more in a global world.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  And they don't believe in a world of nation-states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power economically from those people. And then eventually, they want to take it culturally and every other way. So they just want to go around the world and say, "Here's the way every country will look. Here's the economic policy of every country. And if the people in those countries don't like it, and they express, you know, that on social media, they're going to get kicked off." And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use, you know, military authority to fire water cannons at them, or shut them down, or use gas, or whatever.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  And if there's a genuine resistance movement to some of it, they're gonna infiltrate it and turn it into some psychotic thing, which they do all the time.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  So, it's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living. But I think it is clearly someone's design. This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. We don't have to invade countries, sponsor coups, steal resources, and then like drench our communities in guilt and say, "Now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with it." None of that has to happen. That's a strategy of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it also has a, one of the factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're gonna pay attention to what the government's doing?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  Well, 100%. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're gonna be willing to accept

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  New laws.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  New laws, new technologies. And you're gonna just say, "I want peace, and I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it."

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  And I think that's very possible. But it does feel like it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across. But as you've said earlier in this, it's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include non-binary art students in Vermont and religious Muslims from North Africa.

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Good luck.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  But I mean, that's-

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  But it's amazing that the people that would be most opposed, the people that, like, if you do bring those people in, the people that are gonna hate the most are the people that want them in the most. They're the ones who are most likely to say, "We shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here and no person's illegal."

• 31:18Speaker 02

  And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not even the people bringing them in. They're being used.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  They're being, they're suicidal empathy.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Their empathy is being weaponized, it's being used, people, right. So people that are manufacturing this reality are using those people. These are the same people who really don't care if people in the state over have healthcare.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  These are people that haven't spoken to their sister in two years.

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  And they care a ton about people in the Ukraine, or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever. But we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be in ISIS. We got rid of Gaddafi, there's slave markets in Libya.

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  So we did that. We sent refugees all through Europe. We destabilized all of Europe and, you know, you can't take us out of it. You can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of it. You can't take the US and Britain and France and a lot of other powers that have destabilized these countries and sent these people flooding through Western countries, European countries.

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fun.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  It's gonna be a fun next 50 years.

• 32:33Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from 1998 from Paris.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  Versus today. They showed like 1998 and then they showed 2026.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  It's a different thing and, you know, listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes. Different groups of people, you know, but then you look in Ireland, this guy just got beheaded in the street, which I'm against and I think is wrong. And he beheaded some guy, a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded, or damn near beheaded. Tried to. And there's a video of it. And, and, and now Belfast, like, you know, it's probably quieted down now, but there were like tremendous riots. They were like burning things down because they're like, we never got a vote on this. We never got a vote on, on bringing the people in.

• 33:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  We never got a vote on that. No one ever asked us how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly. And what we were prepared to do. No one ever asked that.

• 33:35Joe Rogan?

  People don't like to admit it, but an armed population, it's much more difficult to pull things off on an armed population. And that's another part of the problem with the UK, with Ireland, all these places. It's very difficult to have a gun.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Diversity also relies on a very productive economy. So New York City works to the, to the degree it does because people can go out and get jobs because the economic... Um, reality of the city is that it, it can support a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people. Um, but when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of the UK, that's a lot harder. It's a harder sell, harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well. Like the people that have lived there forever are not thriving, they don't feel great. Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling to find work.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  So that's part of the problem.

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that this is being done with a, a strategy, knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society?

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Yes, one, I believe, this is what I believe. I believe no one, for example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. No, people pay lip service to the idea, but there's, there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age, who have never owned a home and never will. And no one's trying to, no one's wants them, they've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game and they live in a little apartment. They type, you know, they're on a MacBook, they're getting radicalized in any direction. They're upset, they're on dating apps or whatever, but they, they, they don't feel like they have a,

• 35:28Speaker 02

  uh, foundational core to their life. No one has really, really even given them the idea that they're gonna get that. So I think that's just one of the things where people are, they're basically saying like, no, you don't need a house and you're not getting a house and forget what owning a house was. Like forget that, that doesn't matter. And I think part of this is because they know, same thing with healthcare. There's no real movement to give anyone healthcare in this country. And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. So on the positive side, you might go, well, they know that AI is coming and that AI is gonna do a lot of stuff with health.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  And it's going to help extend life spans and, but also on the negative side, they go, AI is gonna disrupt the economy to a point where like, We're not going to have people owning homes and cars and things like that. We're going to have a lot of people without a steady income, or they don't really know what to do. We're going to have a lot of wealth that's existed, a lot of capital, and we're going to have tremendous inequality. We're going to have a lot of joblessness. So, for sure, I think that they're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way you can look at the landscape, because they're selling the country off for parts. And this is both

• 36:51Speaker 02

  parties, and this is like, they're selling it off for parts. So, I mean, obviously, there's something's coming. Something's coming, for sure. And I don't know when it is, and I'm sure the AI thing's overblown to an extent, and I think so much of our GDP depends on it, that a lot of these companies are... But Anthropic's are creepy. These are creepy companies, you know? I mean, they're just creepy.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

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• 39:22Joe Rogan?

  Don't have insurance or live outside of the United States? You can still get 10% off your first month. Visit betterhelp.com to explore your payment options. That's better H E L P dot com. Well, the amount of power Yeah. that tech companies have in general. Totally. Is unprecedented. There's never been corporations, I mean, unless you go back to like the East India Corporation that, you know, you go back in the day Yeah, right. where they, they had like an enormous army. Right. You know? Totally. And they took over India and Pakistan. But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that. You know, other than the army part, what they have is robot armies.

• 40:03Joe Rogan?

  And then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is going to be like a million times smarter than the smartest human that's ever lived. Right. Like, this is the goal. The goal is to create literally a digital god. And it's going to be controlled by not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by a select few group of people. And that's weird. Like, and we're just trusting them. Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels, or you're not going to get a vote on, you know, like-

• 40:32Speaker 02

  I think the, the, the reality is that eventually they're gonna go, do you want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You gotta do X, Y, and Z. You gotta believe X, Y, and Z.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  And, I mean, that seems to be coming.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  And it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get them scared, they'll, this is what we learned during COVID. Like, they will back down. They'll, they'll go along with a lot of stupid shit.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  They'll go to, they'll go, they'll try to find comfort.

• 41:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  And they will listen to people that they deem to be worthy.

• 41:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  You know?

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  They'll trust the government, which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Well, you have all these studies that come out, you know, this is the thing that I like, I love London and I, the people there are great and they're, they're fun people and everything like that. But they have a, you know, cause they, they get healthcare, they get a little more from their government than we do. There's more trust in their government than we have in our government. And there's, there's positives to that and there's negatives. But they, they're a society of rules and customs and order. And it is a, a bit different. So I think they are more likely to go along with the grand plan of the government more so than the United States where we really do question more what's happening than people in Europe or the UK.

• 41:53Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Overall.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that makes sense, right? They have socialized healthcare. They have, uh, isn't their education paid for completely? Isn't university?

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life.

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There's benefits to that.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said that, like in this country, it's foolish that we don't have, that we don't pay for higher education. Like, the more educated people, the better. Like, the more, the less losers, the better.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Part of our country is, is, you know, where we, we do, we, we manufacture a lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths. That's what our culture does.

• 42:27Joe Rogan?

  A lot of sociopaths.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  A lot of sociopaths.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people that don't give a fuck about anything but success.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  A lot of people that don't care about anything.

• 42:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's, that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right? It's celebrated. And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it just inspires all these eat the rich people.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe America. If you had to describe it in three words, it's just out of balance. It's out of balance. It does, and it's hard because we've got 350 million people. It's hard to bat, you know, and it's like, what do the people in Menlo Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarsie? Like, I get it. It's a weird place. You have all these different climates, habitats, people have different interests. But I think AI might unite people because like the idea of this as such a powerful force, if people don't start getting cognizant of it eventually and start, you know, talking about regulating it or anything, you know,

• 43:22Speaker 02

  I do think it's, it is going to be, you know, a very strange time if people, you know, just ignore it forever.

• 43:32Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna do something weird. I'll tell you that. It's not gonna be nor, like, whatever's coming over the next 20 years, no one is predicting it.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  How about Peter Thiel's, like, that whole Antichrist thing?

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, he does that whole thing.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  What is he doing? He gave a fucking lecture on the Antichrist?

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Gives a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist. He's fascinated with it. And, and a lot of those guys are, are, are moving into this interesting area of, um, this is, this is, God wants this. Like JD Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously, and I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the Iran war, for sure. I think he's by far one of the only people in there going, let's calm it down, which is why a lot of the big donors are, are, are slinging mud at him, you know? But again, it's just, he just released a book about faith, reconnecting with his faith. I'm sure it's a lovely book. Haven't read it. Fun beach

• 44:32Speaker 02

  read. JD Vance is reconnecting with his faith. Great. Inspiring. Amazing. We'll get to it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier. But...

• 44:45Speaker 02

  You know, it's also interesting because like some of his donors are huge tech guys. And it's, it's, it's all of these worlds existing together. Where you have this world of people who are trying to build a god. And the world of people who already believe in a god. And trying to get all of those people in the same tent. That's interesting.

• 45:05Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  You know?

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that's where god comes from. If this is a, a natural process where human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  But then what happens once we get god, like once, let's say we bring this god in, then what happens?

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Nirvana.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Nirvana?

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we, we all merge. It becomes perfect.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Interesting. So we all merge and that's perfect?

• 45:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're all gonna merge with the machine.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Because people do believe that.

• 45:41Joe Rogan?

  At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel going, "Man, I see where this is gonna go."

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  This is gonna fuck my whole gig up.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 45:50Joe Rogan?

  My whole gig is making weapons out of stone and tying them to a stick with tendons.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  And then chasing an animal and sparing them. And now these motherfuckers invented guns.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  And these motherfuckers invented arrows.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  With every progression of techno, like, the bow and arrows, technology changed everything. Horse riding, figuring out how to ride a hor- well, that's like a new innovation.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  You can ride a horse now. Now you can move a lot faster. You can get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel. Alright, drag the wheel, put a cart on it, now we can carry stuff with us.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  More than the stuff that you could put on a horse.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Get a couple horses, they pull a wagon. Oh, great. Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't need horses anymore.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  Alright, let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then one day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed Australia, Pithecus, Manhattan in 2026, they'd be like, they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They would be horrified.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  But do you think like if we showed Peter Thiel 2050, he'd go, no, that's it. Like, that's what I want. Like, whatever 20, like, do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's gonna be?

• 47:03Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 47:04Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sentient. I don't think it's possible. If you, if Elon is correct, if Elon's correct, and there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings, and somehow or another is, why would we let people govern? Why would we let people build that stupid fucking rail station in California that's cost how much money? And it's produced what? How much, how much track is done? Why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that?

• 47:34Speaker 02

  But if, if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's gonna go, we're not building a rail station for these fat fucks.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  You know, I mean, seriously, it's gonna go, why would we build a rail station for these people? So they can get drunk and go fight each other? How about we get rid of them?

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe it's, we don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there. We'll create little mini wormholes all over the country. You don't need a car anymore. You just press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks. You know, we'll, we'll do something very strange.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  I just look at technology and I go, it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop around 2014, 2015, a lot of the new things started that came in made the world, to me, very impersonal, corporate, sterile and cold.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  And the experiences that you get now, like, you know, there was like, If you, you and I went with a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's and like you order on a touchscreen, there's nobody there. There's some nine-year-old kid going, "Hey, I ordered a McFlurry." Some woman screaming at him, "Where's the receipt? What's the receipt?" He's like, "Nine." He's like, "What?" There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  You take people out of everything and then you don't, also, they have no purpose.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  Especially when you consider the high number of unemployed people and checked-out people. And then people that have, whatever their job is, has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards are just watching television all day, that's a lot of people. They're just watching their phone, they're playing video games. There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  But some experiences are much worse now than they were.

• 49:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Before they were digitized. Like, I do think there was, just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier. But there was something nice about going out in December during the Christmas season and like, going to different places and seeing people and like, the struggle of like getting the thing you want. There was something, I bet you were expending energy, you're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. If we destroy all of that, what happens to the human psyche? That's my question.

• 49:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you, from like, whatever the age of the internet kicked in. So it's like, what, 94 or something like that? I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up. And then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before, without real threats.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Well, people are very, you know, attached to this idea that...

• 50:22Speaker 02

  They have to weigh in on everything, that they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything and, and the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time. Yeah. And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense. Yeah. Which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person? Am I, do I have the right thoughts about this thing? Am I being, you know, so that to me is also another level of stress where like, you would have never had to, there were people when I grew up, that just were really good at one thing. And they, they didn't need to have an opinion on something that was happening, you know,

• 51:07Speaker 02

  a world away. They didn't have the knowledge. And they weren't forced into expressing that opinion. Forced into expressing that opinion. Yeah. And they were able to live in a very, in a much simpler way, in a much happier way, with real genuine connections to people. And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now, like the generation that's coming up, you know, the younger people, I, I, they seem better off, like the Zoomers or whatever they are. They seem to be a little, they have a little, a dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little, you know, they have a good sense of humor, they're skeptical, they're a little cynical, they've seen all of these institutions, you know, churn out a lot of garbage and I think they're, they're into, you know, some of the crypto stuff, they're

• 51:52Speaker 02

  into like, you know, they're, they're self-starters, they are, they're not institutionalists. Everyone I grew up with, and the generation directly under me, they're all institutionalists. They believe very strongly that knowledge is given through an approved, whether you're at NYU, or whether it's the State Department, or whether it's a board, or whether it's, or whether it's a, a nonprofit that commissioned a study that proved the thing. A lot of these kids do not think for themselves. They, and they're not kids, they're in their 30s by the way, and they're in their 30s or 40s, they don't think for themselves, they've been taught that thinking for themselves is bad, it's racist, or it's, it's, it can lead you down a road that you don't want to

• 52:37Speaker 02

  go on, it's, um, you know, whatever, it's misogynist, it's homophobic, like, whatever questions you're asking, like, why do the Padres get, why do the Padres have to wear gay uniforms? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Like, as a gay person, I never said why I need the Padres to be gay. Why are the Padres gay?

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  How does the Pad- what does the Padres' uniform look like?

• 52:57Speaker 02

  What, they're making them wear, like, gay things on the uniform.

• 53:01Joe Rogan?

  Like pride stuff?

• 53:02Speaker 02

  It's like pride stuff. I don't think it's like a dildo on their head, but I think it's like pride stuff.

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  What happens when they play in Dearborn?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's not gonna, it's not gonna go well. But it's like, why is Citibank gay? Why is Chase, why is Chase gay? What is it? Why does this help anyone? That a corporation is, is trans? Why is Chobana Yogurt trans? What's the point of this? I don't understand. Does this get people healthcare? Does this make people happy? Does this satisfy?

• 53:32Joe Rogan?

  It makes some people happy.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  It makes some people happy that I worry about because I just don't understand, and it makes mo- more people angry. And that's why gay marriage has lost 11 points in support. More people are annoyed. They're like, we're all cool with however people want to live their lives. A lot of, most people are. But they're like, why is my bank gay?

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Wh- when did my bank come out as gay? And, like, I'm okay with it, but could somebody have told me, like, what are we doing? I don't, this doesn't make anybody's life better. It is the, it is just virtue signaling horseshit that ends up doing the exact opposite of what they want. They think it increases acceptance, it decreases it. Because you're shoving a worldview down someone's throat. And at the end of the day, it's like, if I went to a restaurant, for example, I have no problem with Scientology. On record.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  By the way, I like it. I like cults, I like cults. Children have too many rights, put them on that boat, whatever you do, Sea Org, make them work. Don't rape them, but make them swap the deck, whatever they do on that boat. And I don't have a problem with Scientology. And I don't like the people who leave Scientology and then rat on it after it got them all these movie parts. I think that's fucked up, too. I think it's fucked up. I think they're rats. And I know you've had some of them on, sorry. But I think they're rats. If you are, do something for thirty goddamn years and get rich and famous, shut your mouth. Have the dignity to go to your house and shut your mouth about it? Don't then try to go on, uh, your new era is that you're gonna dime on everybody in this thing that made you rich? Anyway, but if I went, so that's just an aside.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  It's just an aside. It's truly, but it's the way I feel.

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  Shout out to Tom Cruise. He hangs in there.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  He hangs in. Can you imagine how gross that would be?

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  In there.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  How disgusting would it be if Tom Cruise went out and he's like, you know Scientology is really abuse? Shut the fuck up, you're Top Gun. Your Top Gun, this worked, whether you're gay or not, they covered it up. They covered it up. You, you said, you did something wrong. They said, we'll audit you, we'll put you in the box. You're fine. Give us some money. Live on this mansion. It's all fine. But if I went to my bank and it was just all Scientology for the month of June, I would go, this is a lot. Do you know what I mean? So to me, I think it's like this weird aesthetic politics that people have, where they just, they need to pin ribbons on themselves and go, I'm a good person.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  I have no problem with the polyamorous orgy happening at Chase or whatever. Just shut up. This whole country right now is being torn apart by people who need to feel like they're good people. And they need to project their life onto other people just to, just live and then live. People disagree with you. That's, I have good friends I disagree with, like on fundamental things, foundational things. And I, and I don't care. I don't care because I think they're funny. I think their lives are funny. They're bad people.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Many of my friends are not good people. I wouldn't even introduce them to other people I cared about. But they entertain me. And that used to be okay. You used to be able to go, "I like that guy, he's entertaining." People go, "He's crazy." "He was in jail." You go, "Eh." You always minimize. You minimize that. You go, "Sure he was. Maybe. I don't know what happened between him and her. Someone fell down the stairs. He's fun sometimes." And you should be able to do that. Not everyone's gonna agree with you. Not everyone's gonna agree with you. It's okay. You gotta, life is too short.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  No, you want that. You don't want everybody to agree with you.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  You wanna live in a world of texture.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you wanna live in a world, you wanna have the Joey Diaz's of the world.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 57:38Joe Rogan?

  You wanna have some wild people out there. They're fun.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  And the problem with the generation under me is they're all very like this. And they all went to the same liberal arts schools that have taught them like this orderly way of processing information. And they're all afraid to like, they like say things, they say them in a very, "Well, well, the, well, the rape gang, they're gangs? That are raping? Well, that's bad, but there's a lot of, I don't know what's been proven. And there's a lot of racism, like, they just always, they're so afraid of having an independent thought. Because they've been programmed their entire lives, they don't realize it. They've been programmed their entire lives to believe a certain set of things. And their self-worth depends on those things mattering.

• 58:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  The school you went to, the internship you got, the corporation whose dick you have to suck, sometimes literally, to stay in it. That is where they derive their self-worth from. So their entire world crumbles if you challenge any of their ideas.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

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• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, and it's, um, it's very confusing for young people, you know, because the whole thing acts like a religion. It acts like a cult and you have to kind of go along with every aspect of it or you'll be excommunicated.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  You'll be kicked out, just like you get kicked out of Scientology.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  You get kicked out and if your life is, and it's sterile and it's corporate and it's boring, and, and that to me is my, one of my biggest problems with, with, with a lot of people that I speak to is that they seem genuinely afraid to, to use their mind for more than, you know, what the allotted functions are.

• 1:00:15Joe Rogan?

  You mean afraid to express themselves?

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. They're afraid to even entertain thoughts in their own head.

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  They want to avoid the punishment.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's scary punishment. Have you seen this, uh, new Army Hammer movie that is out now?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  No, but-

• 1:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Some vigilante movie?

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  He's great. Fan of him, big fan of him, think he's great, love everything he's doing. And I like it, I like that you can't get canceled, people come right back.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't know if he's necessarily coming back. I mean, I mean, if this movie is gonna bring him back, I should say. I mean, I, what did he say? I mean, he said he wanted to eat girls?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  He was, he was, he was, he wanted to eat a couple of people. You know, is that a problem?

• 1:00:59Joe Rogan?

  But is it real? Is it just crazy talk?

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Even if it was, even if it was, is it consensual or not?

• 1:01:06Joe Rogan?

  I mean, is it just saying wild things? Like, what is, is it?

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Listen-

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  He was, he, he, his fantasy was that we wanted to be accountable. That was his, like, fantasy, that was his kink. Now, it was fake, but if it, if he was in a situation where it could have been real, yeah, he would have tried a heart.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  If Army Hammer, if Army Hammer had the money to arrange this, and some people in our country do, um, if he had the money to arrange it, he's trying to heart. One thousand percent. And by the way, doesn't make me hate him. Doesn't make me hate him, as long as the person was dead already. I'm against it. I would never do it. But if you told me, this is how open I am to different people. If you told me Army Hammer, uh, there was a, somebody died and there was a heart and Army Hammer tried a little bit of the heart, I'd go, hey. Fine, live and let live.

• 1:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the story of General Butt Naked?

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  General Butt Naked is a guy in Liberia. So Liberia is a part of Africa. I don't want to fuck this up, so let's be, let's check on this. I think what happened in Liberia is they released a bunch of slaves from the United States and sent them to Liberia. Like after slavery was abolished.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  And I think Liberia has had a, a series of civil wars, like really crazy brutal ones. And in one of them, there was this guy named General Butt Naked. And Vice covered this guy. They, they interviewed him and he, uh, essentially now, he's a priest. He's a preacher. And he gave his love to Jesus Christ and now he's saved. But back then,

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  Well, good for him.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  He would talk about how he would go into war completely naked and then they would kidnap children of the opposing army and cut their heart out and eat it for protection.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  That's, that's certainly an extreme way to do it.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  So he did that.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Joe Rogan?

  But then he found Jesus, so it's okay.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  Well, it is certainly better and that's, um, wouldn't the Mayans kind of do that or was that human sacrifice?

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  They did a lot of human sacrifice, along with the Aztecs. What, what happened with Liberia? Is that an accurate depiction? I don't want to fuck this up.

• 1:03:23Joe Rogan?

  So Liberia was established in 1822 by the American Colonization Society as a refuge for formerly enslaved and freeborn black Africans to relocate to Africa. Yeah, there it is. Over several decades, roughly 16,000 freed slaves, known as "Americoliberians," migrated there. While envisioned as a sanctuary, the nation later faced its own internal scandals regarding forced labor and human exploitation. Yeah.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:03:54Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. See if you can find that General Butt Naked guy, though. This guy, this whole story is fucking crazy. Is this it? Okay.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Jeez, yeah.

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Formed his own militia of several dozen fighting, uh, several dozen fighters known as the Naked Base Commandos, or Butt Naked Brigade, most of whom were children as young as nine, operating under the Monrovia area with his unit. Uh, how do you say his name? Blahi? Blahi? I'm not sure how to say his name. Became known as wearing only shoes and magic charms, and eventually adopted the nom de guer, General Butt Naked. His fighters followed his patterns of dress, which, in line with his distorted emulation of animist tradition, believed he could, believed could make one immune to bullets.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  To fund his wartime activities and secure a steady supply of drugs for his fighters, Blahi allegedly traded locally mined diamonds and gold to Mexican drug cartels in exchange for guns and cocaine. Let's fucking go.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:04:59Joe Rogan?

  He conscripted many of his fighters, and according to some accounts, laced the food. He fed them with cocaine, along with showing them Jean-Claude Van Damme films, and, uh, to, uh, explaining to them that killing people was a game, in an effort to uproot the fear of death.

• 1:05:18Joe Rogan?

  His fighters, he and his fighters perpetrated numerous atrocities, although the exact extent of the crimes they committed have been subject to dispute. Frequently discussed the alleged atrocities he perpetrated, which according to Bellahe, including murders, cannibalism, and hu- human sacrifice. He has repeatedly estimated that the naked base commandos were ultimately responsible for 20,000 deaths, a claim which has come under criticism. Yeah.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  And he's alive now, and he's religious?

• 1:05:46Joe Rogan?

  He's a preacher now, yeah.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Have him on, and I bet he's a lovely person. That's the thing.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  He should have him on.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  By the way, I would, he has an open invitation. He's, I, open invitation.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  Looks like Jesus on a shirt.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  He's led a full life, and there's something about someone who has led a full life. This man has led a full life. There he is. He looks like Beetlejuice from Hell and Hell.

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  General butt naked. Wow. Crazy.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  It's a...

• 1:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Imagine seeing a dude naked with his dong flopping, running at you with an AK-47 with kid's blood all over his face?

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  I mean, that's, that's, I mean, that's disturbing, but I imagine that there are very rich, rich people in our country seeing that and paying good money to see it.

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  One of the things that we were talking about with, uh, before the show started, we were out in the hallway, we were talking about how there's a giant chunk of the world that's fucked.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Joe Rogan?

  And what's coming into England, it's not like, it's not unusual for other parts of the world. You know, if you go to Karachi, that's, that's what, life is chaos.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, just chaos is making its way into these protected bubbles, and that's what's freaking people out.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  We live in a very privileged, even, even the poorest and the worst, which is obviously, you know, it's not to minimize their struggles, but if you go to any of those third world countries, you're very aware of how privileged you are to live in a western country. And, you know, it also makes a lot of sense why the people in those third world countries would want to leave them and go to other places for opportunity, and I think... Immigration's had a lot of positive impacts on America and it's had a lot of positive impacts on Britain and other countries and it's not, it's not the idea that immigration is all bad or all good, it's the idea that like, you have to do things a certain way

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  because, you know, societies are fragile. This is what we're learning. We're learning that societies are more fragile. When I grew up, that wasn't a common thought, that our society was very fragile. Right. We thought it was very strong. Right. We actually thought nothing could break us. And then you look at a couple of years of a pandemic and most of the downtowns of the American cities don't look the same. Commerce has changed in a dramatic way. The Iran war proved that, you know, militarily, militaries, obviously brave men and women, they're amazing, but like, the changing nature of warfare has made military campaigns very difficult. It's hard to look at this Iran war as a victory. It's almost impossible, unless you're completely dishonest. I don't

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  think anyone is looking at it as a victory. So I think our vulnerability in, you know, to threats foreign and domestic, we are more aware of that now than we have ever been, how fragile societies are. So when you demographically change a society very quickly, which has never happened historically, it took wars, long periods of immigration, now it's overnight, people have to adjust to a new cultural and sometimes economic reality. That's a very disruptive thing and societies are very fragile and you've got to be very careful about how you alter and change a society because if you do it too quickly, there's a tremendous

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  backlash. And you have to make sure that people want it changed, that people are on board with it. Not everyone, no one's on board with everything, but like, if you went...

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  To a lot of people in these countries that live in the bigger cities, they would probably be very pro immigration and because immigration has a lot of clear benefits to them. They get food delivered all the time, they have access to a lot, a wide variety of goods and services that immigrants bring, a lot of them are awesome, a lot of great food, you know. So, obviously, but again, if you went out into the suburbs and you went out into areas where the economies have stagnated, areas where maybe you've had scandals like this, grooming scandal and things like that, Sweden, whose crime rate has skyrocketed because you've brought in a lot of people from other places that are selling drugs, and not all

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  of them, obviously, but like, if you look at that, and those people have a much more negative view of it, because they don't connect the benefits of it, because they don't, they don't feel them in their life.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, they were living pretty sweet.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  They were living good. They were living pretty sweet, they're riding their fucking bicycles and eating herring.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  Pretty safe out there.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Pretty safe and doing what they wanted to do, and then, you know, you have this influx of people, you now have real poverty, you now have a lot of people.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  You also brought in people that came from a war-torn part of the world.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  A war-torn country.

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  And not everyone's gonna be general butt naked, who becomes a Christian pastor, and is probably lovely, now. You probably seen him in HEB, you're like, sweetheart. Eighty few people, children maybe, but now it's better. That guy, not everyone's gonna convert, not everyone's gonna be, you know, you're gonna bring people in that are, people are products, to an extent, of their environment, like we all are. So, the idea that like, you know, women have less rights in these countries, so, the courtship rituals in these countries are different. The familial relations are different. That's just the way it is. So, and, and a lot of people there are like that.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  So, you know, why would, why would those beliefs and systems of, change just because you happen to be living in Ireland?

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Why would you think Irish women or British women would necessarily or inherently get more respect than your wives, daughters, sisters, whatever? And I'm not saying that it's all like throughout the entire Islamic world. I think there's a lot of diversity in the Muslim world. And there are lots of countries where there's arguments that women are safer than they are in America. But there's a lot of countries where that's not the case. And women have far fewer rights and it's pretty barbaric. And I don't know why those attitudes would change when they are just in a different physical location.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  The spectacular bizarreness of it is that the really kind, left-wing people who oppose toxic masculinity.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Oppose this sort of society that we're talking about, this male-dominated society. Like, you're inviting in something that literally has that as its doctrine.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  Well, they think it can be tamed. So here's the thing with those people, they love a challenge. This is the "I can fix him" version of it. And to an extent, cultural attitudes do change over time. People do assimilate to certain practices. That's not a completely ridiculous thing to think. But they really believe that once all of these people come to these countries and see how great it is to be a childless, 40-year-old woman working in data entry at a large, faceless corporation that's gay on Pride Month, the corporation goes gay. And when they see how happy she, or he, or they is, living in a society where you don't own anything. You know what's interesting about family? I just spoke to a comedian who went on a world tour and he was in India and he was

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  talking about how poor people in India don't live on the street, they live in slums. Which, it's better. It's better to live in slums than the street. Because a lot of poor people are with their families. And they won't cast their family out.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Family in America almost means like nothing. Like, we've, we've kind of, we've, everything's such an individual pursuit that family means nothing. And, like, that's reinforced, like, I, I am in an argument with my father, his wife has different political views on cer- certain things. So, we haven't spoken in a little bit. My cousin's getting married. And I told, I have a therapist now that I've had for six months, who, I don't know if it's good, I don't know if you ever know if a therapist is good or not. And I told my therapist, you know, my dad and his wife are gonna be there and I haven't spoken to them, but I love my cousin and I wanna support her marriage, I wanna go. And my therapist goes, "Well, you don't have to go."

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  My therapist goes, "If you feel like it's gonna make you happy, go." So, therapy in our country is, has become a way to kind of enable, like, sick people to just become selfish psychopaths. And family in America means almost nothing, and it is reinforced how little family means because, like, doctors will tell you, "Yeah, fuck it, it's your father, who cares." So, it's, it's basically a thing where, like, I think when you go to these other countries and you realize how deeply rooted a lot of things are in family, and culture, and tradition, and then we come from a country where, like, almost, very little is.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  I'm not saying people don't have great families here, but like, you know, America's about you. And it's not about, if you don't agree with your sister, fuck her. If your mother disagrees with you, block her. That's our country. And in other countries, that's unheard of. Like, that's unheard of. Like, it doesn't happen. And, you know, the comedian was explaining to me, like, in India, there's, there's, like, a lot less of a drug problem in certain areas, and he would, and he was wondered why. And he goes, "Well, people don't wanna do drugs to, like, disgrace their fam-" even poor people. Even poor people will be like, "I don't wanna be a drug addict, 'cause my family's gonna think bad about that."

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  Whereas here, there's people that'll shoot up in front of their parents. You know what I mean? Like, so it's just a different, it like, it's culturally, we've gotten to this point where people are having less children, family means very little. So then what has replaced that? It's clearly the state and corporations.

• 1:15:59Joe Rogan?

  And ideology.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  And ideology. So they've replaced families and communities.

• 1:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, the ideology is your community because you're online most of the time.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

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• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  So I think that like, that world, we have a pretty secular world. What is that?

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  That is so interesting.

• 1:18:30Joe Rogan?

  CBD.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  Interesting. I thought it was something that...

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  No, it's a CBD vape.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  I thought it was somebody gave you something that's like, you're about to transcend or something.

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  I thought you were like, it's DMT.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  Imagine?

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  I'm bored with you. I'm going somewhere else for a few minutes. When's the last time you've done DMT?

• 1:18:49Joe Rogan?

  It's been a while.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  Interesting. Should I do it? Should we all do it?

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have a cigarette.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Are you thinking about it?

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  I'm thinking about maybe doing it.

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people have asked me about it recently.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  That Pure Molecule thing years ago was an awesome documentary.

• 1:19:05Joe Rogan?

  You know this Andrew Galimor guy? Do you know what he's doing? So, he's, what is his exact discipline? Is he a psychologist? He's doing these things in a country where it's legal, where you fly there and you do a five-hour DMT experience, like intravenous. He's a chemical pharmacologist, neurobiologist, and a writer. One of the most world's leading experts on psychedelics. Very interesting guy. And he's creating this place. I forget what it's called. Do you remember the name of the place?

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  A lot of people I know do ayahuasca.

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  That's an orally active version of DMT. This thing seems a little crazier because they can kind of regulate the dose much better and they can keep you there for a long period of time.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  Elucius, okay.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  So like the Eleusinian mysteries from the, uh, from ancient Greece. So this place, it's in Baqia. Am I saying that right? In the Caribbean in March of 2026. And the aim is to study DMTX and DMT entities and attempt to communicate with these entities. So one of the things that he's saying, so he was just on someone's podcast. Maybe Danny Jones? Uh, he was been on this podcast as well. Uh, but one of the things that he was saying was that they keep going to the same place. That you can act like it's, you're, they're actually trying to create a map of whatever this experience is. So instead of doing it like an ayahuasca ceremony or doing it like you're smoking DMT and, um,

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  you know, some sort of a psychedelic ceremony with your friends and it's a 15 minute experience. Instead of that, they're having repeated experiences in the same environments. Like there, there's actually a place that you can go and by regulating the dose, somehow or another, over a prolonged period of time, it allows you to maintain this state and keep entering deeper and deeper into whatever the fuck this is. But it seems to be mappable. Okay. It was the basement. That's what it was. So it is, uh, AJ from the Y Files, which is an awesome YouTube show. If you've never seen it before. And so he's talking about, it doesn't take you to somewhere new. It unlocked what's always there. Um, these guys are, they're trying to develop like maps of what this is.

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  So they keep experiencing, they're, they're, they're charting out different entities that you experience. And there's a bunch of different ones that you, you experience. And one of them I've seen multiple times is jesters.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  And these bizarre looking psychedelic jesters.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:21:45Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if they were the original jesters. I wonder if like the reason why jesters dress the way they do with these dangling things off their heads. Cause this is what you experience in the psychedelic state and they're trying to recreate it. But what they have done, when I've done it is mock me and make me realize that I'm taking myself seriously. Like one time there was like, like fractal, there's. Millions of them, I don't know how many, and they were all giving me the finger like this.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:22:09Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, uh, and it was, uh, and I said, I go, oh, I take myself too seriously. They go, yes. And they were going like that. That's it. It was like, there's little corrections of your psyche that take place during these experiences.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:22:23Joe Rogan?

  It's very weird.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  I'm scared to do it. Well, I'm scared I'll go in and it'll be fractals of J D Vance.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Bah.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Yelling at me now. Yeah, it's all J D Vance going, you need to learn about A I. No, I, um, I don't know. I, I, I find it fascinating.

• 1:22:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is. It's definitely fascinating. Chase Hughes is just on the podcast and he did it somewhere in the United States where they did some five hour D M T experience. And he was, you know, it's like, changes you. Whatever you are now is a totally different version of who you were before you had that experience.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  Which is like life overall, over, you know, day after day, month after month, week after week, year after year. You become a different thing. You're a different person than you used to be.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  But sometimes an experience like a psychedelic experience can make it abrupt. And then you instantaneously become a different person.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  It's so, it's so fascinating because we are having all these conversations about aliens and entities and demons and whatever.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  I think it's connected.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  I think what these psychedelic things allow you to do is experiencing things. You're experiencing things that are already there, that have been there all the time. You just lack the ability to see them. You're, you're tuning into it pharmacologically, like there's, they're changing the chemistry of your brain. And it's not an alien chemical. That's the nutty part about it. D M T is produced by the human body. It's produced in the, in the brain. It's produced in the liver, I think in the lungs.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  It releases when you die?

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't think, it's very poorly understood. It's, there's not, I mean, there's been some work done on it. One of the big ones was Rick Strassman. He wrote a book called D M T, The Spirit Molecule. And he did this, it was really kind of brilliant. He had an F D A study that he got, this is all like government approved study on psychedelics. Under the guise, he wants to find out how bad they are for you.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  So he told them, "We want to study the dangers of these drugs."

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Right, and that's where I got all the money.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and so then he writes his book, like, "This shit's amazing."

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 1:24:23Joe Rogan?

  And by doing that, and then studying, um, they studied, the Cottonwood Research Foundation, they're studying where DMT is coming from. So like, the thought was that it's coming from the pineal gland. So the pineal gland is like, literally a third eye in the middle of your head. But now they think it's coming from the whole brain. They don't really, there's, the human body produces, that's the most important part. So the human body produces this, of the most potent of all psychedelic chemicals, that transports you into another world. Like, how weird is it that the body produces a gateway to some other place? Now, whether it's perceived, or a hallucination, the experience is the same. So you can get hung up all the time on, "Oh, you're just seeing things that aren't there. These are

• 1:25:08Joe Rogan?

  visions." Okay, maybe. Maybe what you're doing is experiencing something that's real. Like, it might not be something that you could put on a scale, it might not be something that you can measure with a ruler, but it doesn't mean it's not real. And I think we are very arrogant in our assumptions, that we have an understanding of all that exists, with all that we know about bacteria, and molecules, and the cells, and

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  the mitochondria, and then subatomic particles, and like, what this, the, just the reality that we've observed is so fucking bizarre. The idea that we know what's real and what's not real, and you can say, "Oh, it's just a hallucination. This is, the reality is, you go to Tim Hortons, you get yourself a doughnut, and you go to work."

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Eh, no. I think, I have a feeling that what that experience is, is you being able to see something that exists around you.

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of people are very hopeful, I wasn't one of them per se, but this idea that like, we were on the edge of some disclosure, that the government was gonna start telling us things about extraterrestrials, and like, remember that?

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, the creepiest one that kept going around. Was that they had brought together a bunch of pastors to talk to them about disclosure, because disclosure disclosure is going to disrupt the fabric of society so greatly. The question was, what were they going to tell them? And so what I have been hearing from people that supposedly know things about UFOs was that they were told that religion was created by aliens to keep people in line and that humans are the product of accelerated evolution and they needed some sort of an origin story that made sense with rules and morals and ethics and guidelines to follow and something to worship because without that people are lost. And so that these aliens have created that.

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  Well, please let Trump say that in a press conference. He's the president to say that.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I gotta talk to him. I'll have dinner with him.

• 1:27:06Speaker 02

  To get on there and go, guys, listen, just, we don't know what's going on. The streets are harmoos, they're open, they're closed, they're open or closed. Who gives a fuck anymore? Anyway, there is no God. You were all created by aliens and you were told a bunch of lies about it. Good luck, keep going to work, market's up, streets, streets open, market's up.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  It's not even that there is no God. It's that the God story that you've been told is, it's formulated in a way for your tribal primate brain to accept and understand.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  And that there's probably a true story to all of it. If you go back far enough and if you got the actual events that they were trying to lay out, there's probably, there's too much, too much of the stuff that's in the Bible that like is historically verifiable.

• 1:27:52Speaker 02

  Totally, but do you think they didn't tell people that because they thought it would be too disruptive?

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, there's a lot of stuff that, you know, when you talk about the Bible, right, you're talking about a series of stories, right? Especially when you get to the Old Testament. It's a series of stories. And some of these stories aren't in the Bible that were a part of the religious canon of the day. And one of them is the Book of Enoch. So Anna Paulina Luna told me about, she's like, you really have to read that. And I was like, okay. Like, she was so adamant about it. I'm like, okay, let me read it. So I listened to it on tape in the sauna, which is the perfect way to do it. I'm listening to audiobook, it's 195. Five degrees.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm sweating my balls off. I'm dying in there and I'm listening to this fucking crazy account.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:28:37Joe Rogan?

  That is in the same Dead Sea Scrolls as they found the Book of Isaiah.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:28:42Joe Rogan?

  The same collection of these religious texts. And it's all about how the watchers came down and mated with the daughters of man and chose them as wives and then created this race of beings called the Nephilim, which were giants that ruled the earth. Like this is in the Bible. It's they talk about the Nephilim in the Bible.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  Bible.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  They talk about Enoch, like he's referenced in the Bible.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  But the Book of Enoch, the stories that are in the Book of Enoch are fucking bananas, like completely bananas. And the only reason why it's not in the Bible, a bunch of rabbis decided that it didn't align with the Torah. The Torah, the Talmud, I forget which one, but they decided like this, this, this contradicts some of these stories that are in other religious texts, so we're gonna keep that one out.

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:29:30Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was a collection of these things that's all together.

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  Who were these rabbis?

• 1:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, who are all these people that wrote these things down? You know, I have this bit where I read out of the Book of Ezekiel and there's like hilarious parts of the Book of Ezekiel. And then there's also parts that sound like it's they're talking about a UFO, like these profound experiences. And then other things were talking about a prostitute. It's very funny.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  But this whole thing is a bunch of people's interpretations of stories written down, passed down, generation to generation, written largely intact once it was an original piece. So like they found the Book of Isaiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And it's identical to the Book of Isaiah that is a thousand years newer. So that was older than the Book of Isaiah that they had by a thousand years, the oldest one they ever found, and it was verbatim.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  So they, once they got these stories down, they, they wrote them over and over and over again and like priests would learn to do that and monks would learn to do that with their religious texts. They would rewrite things over and over again as part of the practice.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  And someone knows, in some subterranean part of the government, they know something, or many things, that they're not going to tell people because it would be disturbing or disruptive.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  This was the story about Jimmy Carter. The story about Jimmy Carter was Jimmy Carter, I believe in 1969, he had some sort of a very strange UFO experience that was very real to him. Very bizarre, saw something, and part of his thing was, once he gets into office, he wants to tell people. The story is that he was briefed. They explained to him something about the reality of the UFO experience, like what it really is. And he was crying, that he wept openly. So what could that mean? Like, what would that mean?

• 1:31:18Speaker 02

  Well, he was kind of a... He was, yeah.

• 1:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Kind of a pussy, is that what you're gonna say?

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  He was a bitch. And this habitat for humanity, I never understood. I thought it was, you know...

• 1:31:27Joe Rogan?

  I think he's a genuinely, genuinely good person.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Of course he was. He built houses for people. Yeah, he was...

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  Never enriched himself.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  But he was also, if you read books about him, he was kind of an operator too.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  He was kind of a, he was into the peanut stuff, right? He was a peanut farmer or something? Yeah. You know, he was, nobody gets to be the, yeah, he was sweeter.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Sweetest.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Sweetest.

• 1:31:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, one of the sweetest of all the presidents.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  He was still the president. But so, who is doing this expla... It's just the men and black people from the depths of Raven Rock or Cheyenne, or wherever the hell they are.

• 1:32:01Joe Rogan?

  What they could be do, doing is covering up years of lying to Congress and misappropriation of funds for all these black ops programs. And the way they can get out of jail...

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  His thing is telling us.

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if they go and tell the government, "Oh yeah, by the way, we lied to Congress for 50 years." There's no solid verifiable evidence that Jimmy Carter cried. Of course there's no solid evidence.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Jamie, stop being a narc.

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  He's a narc.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  He's a narc.

• 1:32:25Joe Rogan?

  Because the UFO sightings...

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  It's out of control.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  The Carter cried of a UFO story is based on second or third-hand anecdotes. Those are my favorite. And is not confirmed by Carter himself or primary official sources. Uh, I think it's true.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  I think it's true, too.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Interviews about his 1969 sighting, Carter described seeing a strange light, but did not mention crying or being emotionally shattered by it. No, but I don't think that's what they're saying. They're saying he was emotionally shattered by the disclosure. Right after UFO briefing.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  You've gotta live with that knowledge. So he's just gotta go around now and...

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Richard Dolan, who's by far one of the best guys to read about, about UFOs and UAPs. Very balanced guy and like very evidence-based guy. He, he includes a lot of crazy stories, but he never goes along with them.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  But Richard Dolan's really good. He's got a bunch, a bunch of books. So I don't know if it's true.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  Is the Jake, is the Jake Barber guy real?

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  He's the guy that said that he actually had to move a UFO, right? With a helicopter?

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:23Joe Rogan?

  I haven't talked to him.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  I was just watching it, but it's too long. These UFO guys, it's all three or four out. Like it's not...

• 1:33:29Joe Rogan?

  Jesse Michaels does a lot of very in-depth ones with these guys.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:33Joe Rogan?

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• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  We never found out what those drones were, remember that? They're all around the bases in New Jersey and stuff like that.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was crazy. There was, I mean, people were scared to fly.

• 1:36:16Speaker 02

  People say it's a domestic, it was domestic, it was us, that's what I've heard. But then, you know, who knows?

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Could be China, could be China flexing and pulling their dick out. Saying, "Check out what we have, motherfuckers." Who knows?

• 1:36:26Speaker 02

  Who knows?

• 1:36:27Joe Rogan?

  But there was a lot of things that those things were doing that we don't know that they can do. One of the things, like, they were flying for hours at a time. And so what's the fuel source? Because it's not batteries. Downed US pilot reported seeing Iranian drones swarm in jellyfish formation. Whoa. Well, they're probably getting drones from, you know, who knows?

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  China, Russia, you know, of course.

• 1:36:51Joe Rogan?

  So the highest end of high-end government drones that we don't know about, who knows what those fucking things can do? Multiple drones interconnected and moving as one with smaller drones below the bigger drones like legs. One of the sources familiar with the pilot's witness account told CNN, "Real alien shit." Another source told CNN the pilot described witnessing a minefield of drones in the air. Holy shit. When did this happen?

• 1:37:20Speaker 04

  13 hours ago, this was posted.

• 1:37:22Joe Rogan?

  So 13 hours ago, this F-15 got down?

• 1:37:25Speaker 04

  I mean, he's talking and they're reporting it, so I don't...

• 1:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how nuts is that? They got taken out by alien drones. In April. Whoa. So he ejected from the aircraft. The Iranian drones hovering in the air, moving as one, in a formation that resembled a jellyfish. Fuck, dude.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, so there is a chance that it is our, it's DARPA, and it's all of these countries that are, you know, you have these black projects, they have these secret defense projects, and they're saying it's extraterrestrial.

• 1:37:58Joe Rogan?

  I think if I was running an undercover operation for as many years as these people probably have been doing, and with Eric Weinstein thinks, he thinks it's like a separate branch of physics. He said, he thinks there's a bunch of physicists they've hired.

• 1:38:12Speaker 04

  This is the story of the, we went and did the crazy invasion to get these guys back.

• 1:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is those guys?

• 1:38:18Speaker 04

  The two dumb pilots, yeah.

• 1:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is how they got taken out? Oh, wow.

• 1:38:23Speaker 04

  This opens up a lot more questions.

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Wow.

• 1:38:28Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:30Speaker 04

  They used the heartbeat thing, that was the whole, right?

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  That's what they said, yeah.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  So the heartbeat thing was the thing that they said that they were able to locate this guy's heartbeat, his very unique heartbeat, in the mountains where he was hiding.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was like, "Well, that's bullshit." They're like, "I don't know." "I don't know." And it's based on some sort of quantum something or another. What is it called again?

• 1:38:50Speaker 04

  And then the fucking White House said, did you see that, today?

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  What'd they say?

• 1:38:54Speaker 04

  Yesterday? They posted something on their, oh, fuck. That they're gonna announce something about quantum computing.

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Christ.

• 1:39:00Speaker 02

  Do you think that? God's about to get born!

• 1:39:03Speaker 04

  They were making a joke about Q with it, that's sort of why I asked if you guys had seen that.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  What's the joke about Q?

• 1:39:08Speaker 04

  I'll find the post.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  I think they have drones that move like UFOs. I think for sure.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Where are they getting this technology?

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  Do you think it's possible extraterrestrials are giving us technology?

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  It is possible. So, the reason White House will be Q posting today, what?

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  They're just trolling and having fun.

• 1:39:34Speaker 04

  And you scroll all the way down and it says...

• 1:39:37Speaker 04

  And by Q, we mean quantum.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Stay tuned. Look how much they're trolling.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  QAnon people are... They're the most committed people I've ever encountered.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're fun.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  I've never encountered people who are so committed to anything.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  The UFO people are close.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Sure. I mean, the Q people are 10 years in going, "Trust the plan, it's coming." And you go, "Guys, it's unbelievable how dedicated they are to the plan." And that it's still morphing and going in different directions. And the data centers are actually prisons for people who did the vaccine. They're not data centers. They're still going. And that level of commitment is what America's about. It's about that. It's about not giving up.

• 1:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  Don't give up. Don't give up. You're too deep in to give up. My advice to anyone in that movement, stay in it. Because there's nothing good on the outside. Reality's not good. Stay in that movement, take it as far as you can.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  What would the government possibly have to announce about quantum computing?

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  No idea.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  What was the quantum heartbeat thing? What was that thing called? How do they locate that gentleman?

• 1:40:54Speaker 04

  I don't remember them never coming out and saying, because people were speculating that like, "How could you even do it?" I think someone came on the podcast the next day and was like, "That's not how quantum stuff works."

• 1:41:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I don't know if they know that for sure.

• 1:41:06Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  So, they don't really know what the technology is. But what was the technology that the government described? Because they described it as very bizarre, and there was a name for it that involved something quantum. And they said that somehow or another, they were able to detect this guy's heartbeat.

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Unique heartbeat from, I think, was like, was it 70 or 700 miles?

• 1:41:24Speaker 04

  April 7th, this was posted in the New York Post.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  "Secret never-before-used CIA tool that helps find airmen downed in Iran. If your heart is beating, we will find you."

• 1:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Wow. So this is it. Long range quantum magnetometry to find the electromagnetic signal of a human heartbeat that pairs with the data, pairs the data with artificial intelligence software to isolate the signature from background noise. And so how, what is the range on this stuff? Cause they were saying-

• 1:41:54Speaker 04

  Forty miles, I think they found this guy is what the claim was.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  But didn't they say the range is up to like 70 miles? Something along those lines? So I don't know if you know-

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  How long have they had this?

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Right. Is it even real?

• 1:42:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  But this is the thing, it's like, is it real? Like, so this is a post that's in the New York Post and I think it was from, did someone release this as a statement? Like, what did they do to say they did it? The confirmate, okay, so-

• 1:42:22Speaker 04

  Saturday morning, yeah, their CIA director talking about, yeah, there you go CIA, it's missing American forty miles away, that was unclear.

• 1:42:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:42:31Speaker 04

  That's Trump saying that, not, so is there two different or three different speeches all going in together? I guess maybe they spoke at the same press conference.

• 1:42:38Joe Rogan?

  So here's the other thing. If that technology doesn't exist, right? And they just made that up to cover for technology that does exist. So maybe there's technology that does exist, that's some sort of large scale satellite imagery of the earth that gets down to like a grain of sand. And they can find anybody, anywhere. They could just doubt, find out where the plane is, scan the area, bam, there he is.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  There he is.

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Okay, we don't want to say we have this.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:06Joe Rogan?

  What are we gonna say? Let's say we have quantum heart rate magnetometry. Yeah, we can find, we can find ghosts.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  We couldn't find Ghislaine Maxwell in New Hampshire.

• 1:43:16Speaker 04

  When that came out, people were asking, yeah, why couldn't you use it to find anybody?

• 1:43:18Speaker 02

  She was in New Hampshire, yeah, where is, you know, whatever.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could be that that technology just recently got invented.

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:43:25Joe Rogan?

  That's also possible.

• 1:43:26Speaker 04

  Well, there's still missing people, Guthrie's missing still, right? I don't just, we shouldn't have missing people then if that technology exists.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  That's a weird thing and my heart goes out to her, but that's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a weird one. And didn't they like, they looked at family members as suspects, right?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  I think they looked at family members as, is she back, and I think she's back to work?

• 1:43:47Speaker 04

  It was back in the story, I don't know.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  And isn't she back to work?

• 1:43:49Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Did, what did you say, there's a break in the story?

• 1:43:52Speaker 04

  No, I, I think the story got updated recently. Yeah, there's something about a note, ransom note claim Nancy Guthrie died after abduction.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Well, that's a, well, you're not gonna get ransom then.

• 1:44:04Speaker 04

  Second ransom note claims she died.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  Well, that's a horrible ransom note.

• 1:44:10Joe Rogan?

  So someone posted a note saying that she died, I want money? It's a ransom note that says she died?

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  What about, what if it's she died, just give us-

• 1:44:18Speaker 04

  I'm reading headlines.

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  What if it's she, we're sorry she died, just give us what you want? It's not a, it's not a specific amount of money, it's just give what you feel is- It's like church, give what you can. We're sorry she passed away, give what you can. We're not gonna say a specific amount of money.

• 1:44:34Joe Rogan?

  So the note sent days after the disappearance? Oh, so this is not new?

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Indicated she had died, but contained no request for payment for the release of her body. Three people familiar with the matter said, though the existence of the note was known, the specific contents had not been previously disclosed. So it's just the contents were disclosed that they knew that she was dead?

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  It seems like it's an inside thing. It seems like there's someone's involved that knew them. I mean, I hate to think that, but it does feel like it's-

• 1:45:00Joe Rogan?

  What was the, was there a request for money? What was the first request?

• 1:45:04Speaker 04

  Originally, yeah, I think it was a bunch of Bitcoin or something they wanted.

• 1:45:07Joe Rogan?

  What it, well, let's find out what it was.

• 1:45:11Speaker 02

  It's a horrible thing, obviously.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to know.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  But it does seem like this is a inside job.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, someone certainly... Okay, the ransom note-

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  It feels like their family's involved. Maybe not, I don't know.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:45:27Speaker 04

  See, so this is all bringing up stuff about-

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  Ask AI. Press AI mode. You can't do it? Okay, put it in there. Put it in perplexity. How much do you think they asked for? I bet 10 million.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  10 million?

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  For mom? Five?

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Five?

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Let's see.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  10's a lot.

• 1:45:53Joe Rogan?

  Multi-million dollar payments in cryptocurrency, mostly Bitcoin, with amounts ranging from about 4 to 6 million, and set deadlines, sometimes with escalating or else consequences.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Terrible.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Ugh.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  This is, this is insane, but think about it, is that random? I guess it could be.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  It could be, but there was, there was some concern that it was a family member.

• 1:46:13Speaker 02

  There was concern that it was something that a family member did this.

• 1:46:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Who knows?

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  It's sick.

• 1:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  The Bitcoin thing's weird too, like you could transfer money in Bitcoin.

• 1:46:26Speaker 02

  There was a group of people that wanted me to advertise on my podcast and it was a, like a meme coin thing and that was like a platform, whatever. And then I was like, but their like, identities were shrouded in, people knew who they were, but they were also very secretive because they didn't want to get kidnapped and they split their time between Dubai and London. And CAA, you know, came to me and they were like, hey, they want to give you a bunch of money. And I go, what are they? And CAA is like, well, you know, it's crypto, you know, they don't, you know, I mean demons from hell, no offense, love my people. But they were, I was like, I gotta meet them. I gotta meet them and sit down and talk to them as human beings and like ask them what their company does, everything like that. And then immediately, once I requested that, they said, okay, they'll all meet you in Dubai and talk to you about the company. I said, I can't, I need to know,

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  like, I know, like, you know, whatever. They pulled the offer and wouldn't meet.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:47:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So there's, there's all this shit, because by the way, here's a great way to fuck someone is to advertise on their show and then go, by the way, the money came from Russia.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  And you didn't even know that.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't that happen to a bunch of right wing influencers? Weren't they a part of some?

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  It's hard to know who knew what, but like, it's great, it's what a great way to just make people appear compromised. So when somebody, when you go, where's this money coming from? Maybe it's an intelligence agency, maybe it's ours, maybe it's someone else. But you start going like, all right, I need to sit down with you, have dinner with you. It doesn't mean that I would necessarily be able to know who, like if these guys were legit or not, but the fact that they wouldn't even meet for a dinner tells me that, um, something was up. Also, a friend of mine who's working at a company that's producing young shows, long form shows for YouTube creators, told me that a lot of the money is coming from Democrat super PACs because they want a captive audience to be

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  programmed politically and not only Democrat super PACs, but like, super PACs that are associated with certain issues and things like that. So what they're gonna start doing is like getting behind content and, you know,

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  Funding longer form things on social media platforms and things like YouTube or whatever. And then those companies that are kind of in the background of this will then say, oh, we have an audience of five or 10 million people watching this. We can, we can put political ads on it and, and whatever else.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  So, I mean, this is kind of, I think, the future is going to be all many things like this.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  And when you can do it through something like crypto, like if you can hide your identity, like who knows if it's even a real company. It could be a company designed entirely just for influence.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  It's, it's very questionable. You have the intelligence world, you have the crypto world, and you know, you have the world of international crime syndicates, like they all are, live in that world. Um, I'm not saying people that are into crypto are inherently suspect in any way. Obviously they're not, but there is a lot of fuckery going on with the intelligence stuff and the crypto. It's like obvious.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Clearly. Whenever there's money, if the amount of money that you can make in crypto is fucking bananas and it doesn't make any sense, right? So whenever there's money in drugs, right? Like this Iran contra, there is money in anything. They, they find a way to get a part of that money.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  I think what concerns people partially about the, this administration is some of the crypto stuff. I think people are concerned with some of the coins and some of the, you know, crypto.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, Melania coin's legit.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  That one I love, but the rest I worry. No, but I think, I think it's a fair concern.

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  It is, because it's legal. It's legal, but it's like, should it be?

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  Is it, should it be? Should it be? It should it be, for sure.

• 1:50:18Joe Rogan?

  I mean, there's some freedom to you being able to make your own coin and you back it with money, I guess, but it's also a way that you can launder money. And it's also a way you could pay people off for stuff.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  And do people into spending their money. You know what I mean? Like I think a lot of people, yeah, I mean, that poor girl, huh?

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  Poor girls, they got her.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  They got her.

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  They got her.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  They got her. I hope she did well on that.

• 1:50:39Joe Rogan?

  I bet she didn't.

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Probably not, certainly in terms of what she could be doing.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Sad, no of course.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Because as soon as they get mad at you for something like that, well then they don't like you anymore.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  Well, she did the wrong thing and, and it's sad.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  She's like 22 or something?

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  I also don't know if she was gonna be Meryl Streep, but it was, it could've gone on longer.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Cash me outside girl makes more money than anybody.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  It's true, um, but I think it could've gone on longer than it, what a, what a society we live in. I mean, I just, that just hit me, that just like hit my brain, that she makes more money than anybody and it's true.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  I was listening to your take on the White House UFC card being the end of MAGA.

• 1:51:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  And that the moment when that guy said Michelle Obama's a man.

• 1:51:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's just the greatest thing for, if you're a deep, deep hardcore, and I don't even mean the, like, the America first principles, I just mean like you're along for the ride. You're here for the party. There's a lot of MAGA people that I'm friends with that are deep, that, they're not political, they're along for the part, they like the party.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:38Speaker 02

  They want fun. They're in Florida, it's 4pm, they're drunk. You know what I mean? And they're, they're in for the fun and it's fun. They have like, they have like boat shows and regattas where like a bunch of boats will go out with Trump flags. When they're watching that UFC event in their house in St. Augustine, or Tampa, or, or fucking West Palm, whatever it is. And that guy stands up because Michelle Obama is a man. It's the culmination of things that you, they're not gonna beat that. It's hard to beat that. That, there were houses that cheered when that happened. It was 100%.

• 1:52:16Joe Rogan?

  How many do you think? Over the whole country?

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  It was audible in Florida. Florida, I know for sure was audible, for sure. People cheered and it was like, listen.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Like outside bars?

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it was a party, the fights were good, you, you know, it's like, to me, it's like, there's this, there's this, every cultural thing has a moment where it just explodes. And it's over after that, you know? It's like Hunter Thompson has that famous quote about it. Where he was part of this thing and then it just, you know, we saw it happen. With like celebrity culture, a lot of it like that Imagine video during covid was kind of the end of that like people are like, shut up.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:59Speaker 02

  Like it really, it was like they did that video and they didn't know it at the time, but people really started to turn on them. They're like, just shut up.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  And there was the other one, the BLM one.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  Totally, all of them.

• 1:53:08Joe Rogan?

  Same kind of thing.

• 1:53:09Speaker 02

  Sorry to be white or whatever it was.

• 1:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Same shit.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Same kind of thing. People just said, okay, enough of this. And I do think that every movement just gets to a point where you've done all you can do. You've done all you can do. And when you are standing in the octagon of a UFC fight on the White House lawn, and you're asked if you have anything to say, and you scream, Michelle Obama's a man, that is the clock has struck midnight. That's that. I mean, I don't know what else you could do.

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  That guy, Josh Hoke, you know, that's like, he's got a shtick. Like, he's got a character.

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  Touch fun.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  The Incredible Hulk. And so he's basically like a pro wrestling bad guy, who also is a really good fighter.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  So there's a real problem there.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  What should have happened? Yeah, and he says crazy stuff.

• 1:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, they probably, in retrospect.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:00Joe Rogan?

  If they wanted to avoid this, probably shouldn't have had him fight on the White House lawn.

• 1:54:04Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  Because if he said that at the T-Mobile Arena or in Madison Square Garden.

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Outrageous.

• 1:54:09Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  But not that big a deal.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  But it's the, yeah. But here's what should have happened afterwards. Michelle Obama should have made an Undertaker-like entrance.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Let's go in.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden, the lights go out.

• 1:54:23Speaker 02

  The lights dim.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  And then the light goes on on the balcony.

• 1:54:27Speaker 02

  It's Michelle Obama.

• 1:54:28Joe Rogan?

  And she comes on a cord, then she flies over.

• 1:54:31Speaker 02

  If Michelle Obama had made an Undertaker-like entrance, and got in the stage, and then body slammed, like, can you imagine? Unbelievable.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  That would have been amazing.

• 1:54:43Speaker 02

  The country just exists for ratings now anyway. It's all it exists for. It's just, that's all we're doing anymore. That would have been unbelievable. Here it is.

• 1:54:55Joe Rogan?

  This isn't the Undertaker, but this is what you guys are, I think, versus this is.

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. She's in the ceiling the entire time. Michelle Obama comes down. You see Trump, Trump starts doing his dance. He's doing his Trump dance. Michelle Obama comes down, she's got a cape.

• 1:55:12Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it would be the end.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  It would have been unfucking believable, and she would have been president next. She would have been president next with no election, no election. Vance is gonna stand up to that? She should have descended from the rafters in a cape, fought that guy, you know, you know, choreographed.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just body slam him.

• 1:55:34Speaker 02

  It's fun, fake, and then she does an uppercut and then he's on a, on a cord and he sails out. Unbelievable, missed opportunity, missed opportunity.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  Because why not? Why not have some fun?

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why not?

• 1:55:53Speaker 04

  Why not have a little fun? There they said, or some wrestling event there, they could, they could still pull it off.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  They could do it, and if she's smart, she hears this, and she's on her phone with her people. Don't sue them. They were gonna sue them, they thought about suing them, it's like, what? Stop with the suing all the time in this country.

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Do something fun.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  I agree.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Too much suing.

• 1:56:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's, there is this moment where the UFC thing was going on, where like the planes flew overhead, where it's just like, I'm like, is this even real?

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  It's, it was, it was, it was wild. It's such an amazing spectacle, it's hard to top.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  It was pretty amazing.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  That's what I mean by that.

• 1:56:35Joe Rogan?

  As a piece of entertainment.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  It was also the only UFC card in the history of the, the sport. Where every fight was a knockout.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, this was the, that, this is senior prom. Everyone's gotta go to college next year, and you know, wherever they go, this is it, this is the party.

• 1:56:57Joe Rogan?

  Jackie and Diane.

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  There's a moment after senior prom, or you know, some party that you have senior, you know, the summer, and you're looking around at all your friends, you're all high and drunk, and you're looking around, and you, and if you're smart, and most people, a lot of them have this thought, they go, this is never gonna be like this again.

• 1:57:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  This will never be like this again, we'll never be able to get together on the White House lawn and do motocross, and watch UFC, and call Michelle Obama a man.

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  It started when he walked down the escalator. We went through a lot of things. The guy almost got shot. Who knows who did it? No one knows. No one seems to care. Whatever, fine, moving on. But, you know, he's, you know, he's gone through many iterations. He's been out, he's been in. It's the most, it's the most interesting story, really, in recent human history. And, and this is the party to throw. And it's wild. Because we're not going to win the Iran war. We're not going to win the Iran war. It seems very clear that it's very difficult to imagine a scenario where we come out with like a decisive victory. So instead of that, we did this. We did this.

• 1:57:57Joe Rogan?

  How is there no more open investigation into the assassination attempt? What happened there? Because that's where Kent said that he was told to stop investigating.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Do you want it honestly done? Do you know who you put in charge of it if you want it? Truly, and I'm being very serious. If you want an honest investigation, put Israel in charge. Joe, if you want, if you want it done right, have them do it. That's all I'm saying. Just have them do it. Just have them do it. I, I would trust-

• 1:58:31Joe Rogan?

  You think they should look at the Charlie Kirk assassination as well?

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  I would trust their conclusions. Have them do it. That would be my thought. Just, just a fun thought.

• 1:58:42Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that think it was a hoax, and that it was a setup.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  And if it was, I've said on my show, just tell us how you did it, because that's fun, too. It's fun.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Pennsylvania men shot during Trump rally and Butler sued the United States. Two men who were wounded in the shooting. They're suing. James Copenhaver and David Dutch were shot during an attempted assassination of Trump. Their attorneys filed federal lawsuits against the United States for their life-altering physical and emotional injuries, claiming those injuries were the direct result of negligence on the part of the United States Secret Service. Dutch was shot in the stomach while Copenhaver was shot twice.

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:21Speaker 02

  Does the suing ever end in this country?

• 1:59:23Joe Rogan?

  But there's an argument that that was negligence.

• 1:59:26Speaker 02

  Remember that woman, Kim Cheadle, who was in charge and then they put her back in a bunker?

• 1:59:31Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 1:59:31Speaker 02

  She was in charge of the Secret Service, Kim Cheadle.

• 1:59:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right. That's right.

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  She was like Dick Cheney's assistant.

• 1:59:37Speaker 04

  The rope was too sloped or something.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she said the roof was too sloped to get officers up there.

• 1:59:41Speaker 02

  But they shot the guy and he didn't even fall, he didn't roll off the roof. Like, the whole thing.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, the slope of the roof that they were on was steeper.

• 1:59:49Speaker 02

  If it's a faked assassination attempt, I don't care. I want to know how it was done, and so does the rest of America. Produce a special where Barry Weiss interviews Donald Trump about how they faked the assassination attempt. Put it on CBS, where she's doing, and she's taking over CNN now.

• 2:00:08Speaker 02

  So I think, and she's now isolated herself on the sixth floor of CBS, where she can no longer see the staff, and they cannot approach her.

• 2:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Is that true?

• 2:00:16Speaker 02

  That is correct, and she's guarded by guards.

• 2:00:19Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Where'd you hear this?

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  This is in the news. She is, she's in a bunker, like Dick Cheney in the piaque during 9/11, except it's Barry Weiss at CNN, surrounded by guards, and no one can, and it's like, it's like a militarized zone. She's in a militarized zone.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Barry in the bunker and Ellison at the gates.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:43Joe Rogan?

  Is this real?

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  She's unbelie, by the way, I like her more now, and she hates me, and that's sad.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Why does she hate you?

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I've said things, but here's the thing.

• 2:00:54Speaker 02

  I like her more now than ever.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Did she start hating you after your hilarious impression?

• 2:00:58Speaker 02

  She's, she's, she's turned on me, um, she turned on me, uh, a while ago.

• 2:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Turned on you how?

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  She texted me and was like, "You're part of a world in which people are anti-Semitic," and I'm like, "Well, am I, what am I, what? What am I doing?" And she's like, "You're part of this thing," and I was like, "Well, that's like, what am I, why am I?" What is this guilt by association? I don't like this.

• 2:01:25Joe Rogan?

  Part of a thing that's anti-Semitic.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's like, "You're part of a cultural space of anti-Semitism," and I'm like...

• 2:01:30Joe Rogan?

  So is she connecting you to anti-Semis? How?

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  She's connecting me to all these different people, because if, the thing that she hated, and the thing that she crusaded against was this whole idea that like... She's applying the same principles that she supposedly didn't like, which is like, if you're willing to have a conversation with somebody, you endorse every one of their views. Or if you question something like Israel, you hate Israel, or you hate Jewish people, which is insane.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  And that was, I thought she was the one who was like, we should have nuance on the trans issue. What happened to that?

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  What happened to being able to question gender ideology and all these things? Like, why aren't we, where's the nuance? Where's the, why aren't we holding space for nuance? Bar.

• 2:02:12Joe Rogan?

  CBS News boss Barry Weiss poised to oversee CNN editorial operations. Yeah, this is what he just said, right? Yeah, I saw that.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  But she's living her best life, as people would say. This is what she was meant to do. And when someone steps into their truth, I support them. And she has stepped into her truth. She's exactly where she should be, in a bunker guarded by the military, while she systematically destroys CBS. She's stepping into her truth. This is what she was, she was put there to destroy it. She was obviously put there to destroy it. She wasn't put there to make it work. She's put there to just destroy it. And she's doing it.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they understood the amount of pushback that they were gonna get?

• 2:02:52Speaker 02

  I don't think they, I think they said, listen, let's just put her in there and see what happens. Because who cares? Like, the, but it's like, these legacy media institutions are dying. They're not turning around. No one's going back to watching the evening news. And they know that. These are billionaires, not idiots. The Ellison's are not dumb, they don't, they said, let's have a little fun while this thing goes.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  It says, she took the helm of the struggling organization last month with a mandate to shake it up, following David Ellison-led Skydance takeover of CBS parent company Paramount in 2024. Paramount Skydance bought Weiss's online outlet, The Free Press, for a cool 150 million as she became editor-in-chief of CBS News.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of money for The Free Press.

• 2:03:45Speaker 02

  Well, no, because if you look at the podcast ratings, it was, it was you and then she was number two.

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:50Speaker 02

  Um, so that's why. No, she would get 7,000 YouTube views.

• 2:03:56Speaker 02

  And it seems high, it certainly seems like a lot, but you know, when you take into account her cultural impact.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting because like when it came to her like pushing against woke ideology that had infected the New York Times, she seemed really reasonable. And there's this very famous clip of her talking to Brian Stelter, where she talks about the world gone crazy. Remember that? The world gone mad?

• 2:04:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Where she's like very brilliantly lays out why if this is what you're saying, you know, when people are saying that silence is violence.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:31Joe Rogan?

  And not actual violence is violence.

• 2:04:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  The world's gone mad.

• 2:04:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  And she lays these all out, it's so brilliant.

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Well, there's gotta be room for nuance, like October 7th was horrible. Hamas is not good. We all know this. However, you also cannot look at what's gone on the last few years and think that Israel has not number one perpetrated, you could call it, I call it a genocide, people can call it anything they want, doesn't matter. It's a campaign of mass murder where a lot of people have died, civilians have died, many children have died, people that are innocent have died. And they're doing, they're starting to do something similar in southern Lebanon, and they're now talking about Turkey. Going by the way, Turkey also is a, Turkey's a NATO fucking country. So, the idea that any criticism of Netanyahu or the Israeli government or Israel or our

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  relationship with Israel or the money makes you anti-Semitic is an insane thing. It's the exact thing that she fought against in race and gender. She fought against that Manichean good and evil, black and white, she fought against it, and she was right. She was correct to say, you should be able to have conversations about when is it appropriate for a child to be exposed to certain ideas? And when should they be able to make a determination about how they want to live their life? And like, when is it appropriate for?

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  People to call, you know, to designate between a protest and a legit and a riot. And the silence is violence and all of that stuff. She had really pretty logical opinions on all that stuff. But when it came to that one issue, she seems very incapable of understanding any nuance or gray area or complexity regarding this particular issue.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  No, she is all in for Israel.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  And that's fine. That's her, that's her choice and I get it. Um, but it's so obvious when a Mark Levin goes, the president's great because we're going into Iran because the president's great. He's the greatest leader of all time. And then he goes, well, this didn't work out like we thought. We're going to make a deal and we're going to try to, you know, and then Mark Levin goes, this is a failure. This is a blunder. This is a strategic thing. And it's like, for who? Is it for us? It's not, not a failure for, like, it's clearly a failure for us, but like, it seems like the bigger failure would be for Israel that wants Iran neutered because they have aspirations regionally, globally, but certainly regionally. So who's it a failure for?

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  And that's a fair question. And I think it's like, there's, you kind of be able to have that conversation without being tarred and feathered as someone who's like a conspiracy mongering anti Semite, which is like very, there's a group of people that are, but a lot of people just want sanity and this is not, this is not sane.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  And just like you were talking about with the banks forcing that shit down people's throats that it's going to make them, yeah.

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:07:35Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 2:07:36Speaker 02

  Nobody understands blowback. Like the CIA term blowback, when you like go into a country, kill everyone and they go, you like us, right? And they go, no, not really. We killed your mother, but we're sorry, but you want the mall? We're going to build the mall. They go, no, we're going to, we're going to bomb you and try to kill you. This is blowback. There's blowback when you shut down conversations and, and, and in order to shut people up, you got to pay them or kill them. That's the only way to do it. If you don't pay people a lot of money or kill them, they're going to talk. They're, and if, if you don't, if you limit that, they're going to get angrier and the blowback is going to be intense.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Well said.

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's entirely accurate.

• 2:08:23Speaker 02

  CBS News, I'll go on. That's the thing. I have no beef with her. I like her. I like that she's in a bunker. I will go on to that show. I'm there.

• 2:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Things that I thought was hilarious, there was some fake story, was that they were gonna bring me on for 60 Minutes.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Everyone keeps saying that. I texted you about it. I'm like, are you doing 60 Minutes? I thought that was wild, but why not? I mean, what, you know, half the staff has left. One of that guy, that guy Bill Pele, just got out.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  She got out and then she's got that Dokapool, whatever his name is, in the Evening News crying like a psychopath.

• 2:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  He's the guy who does the CBS Evening News, and his first, his first episode, he's in Miami? And he's crying? Can you get that up? It's unbelievable. He's the anchor of the news.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  Why's he crying?

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  He's crying because he's, he starts talking about his family and how he grew up in Miami. It's unbelievable. This is the guy who was selected to, to run the CBS Evening News, to be the anchor of the CBS Evening News. And like, he does this thing where he's in Miami, and they take him out of the chair because they wanna start, she's shaking it up. Barry's shaking it up, so instead of sitting at a desk and doing the thing, they bring him to Miami to like, visit his childhood places? And he starts sobbing in a, I forget, it was like a restaurant or something. Jamie, you can find it.

• 2:09:46Speaker 02

  He's crying in like a restaurant, or he starts, he gets like choked up, and it's deeply uncomfortable and it's really weird. And he starts talking about how he had a hard childhood. It's like unbelievable.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  This is the guy?

• 2:10:01Joe Rogan?

  Embarrassing first day CBS Evening News, savaged by staff. It's state TV. Whoa. A conversation with one of his handlers during an ad break. Pete Hegseth said during his interview with Tony, how do you say his name?

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  Doc? Dokapool.

• 2:10:17Joe Rogan?

  Dokapool. "We did it at Barry's request and because CBS News did something right on this."

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  I wish you had him crying, or you had him in that restaurant.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  So is Marco Rubio's moment, is what he's talking about? No?

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  He's in Miami, and in D'Okapul, I mean, yeah, this is psychotic.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  So he just keeps crying? Maybe that's his thing, you know, like George Hamilton was tan all the time?

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  He's crying, he's talking about... Yeah, look at this, look at this, this is the anchor of the CBS Evening News.

• 2:10:51Joe Rogan?

  So he's being interviewed?

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, can we listen to this?

• 2:10:53Speaker 04

  I can't, Facebook's weird.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  Damn it.

• 2:10:56Speaker 04

  It doesn't let me control the player goes.

• 2:10:59Joe Rogan?

  There it goes.

• 2:11:03Speaker 05

  Let me get a second here.

• 2:11:05Joe Rogan?

  Take it from the beginning, so you know what he's crying about?

• 2:11:10Speaker 05

  What, it makes me emotional, it's so funny, I didn't think it would catch, you know?

• 2:11:19Speaker 00

  This is your favorite place in the world, why? Why South Florida and Miami?

• 2:11:27Speaker 05

  What, it makes me emotional, it's so funny, I didn't think it would catch, you know?

• 2:11:37Speaker 05

  Because you only have one childhood, right, so?

• 2:11:40Speaker 05

  Let me get a second here.

• 2:11:41Speaker 00

  No, you're okay, I can relate, this is home.

• 2:11:47Speaker 05

  People will, to help people understand why I have such a reaction?

• 2:11:58Speaker 05

  Florida's where I grew up.

• 2:12:05Speaker 05

  We didn't get a lot of sleep, so?

• 2:12:06Speaker 00

  No, it's okay.

• 2:12:07Speaker 05

  My grandmother's here, my father, my mother, my aunts and uncles, cousins. And it's where I would have spent all of my childhood, but we left.

• 2:12:18Speaker 05

  Because of my father, he got in some trouble with business. It's like, we laugh about it now, but he was a drug dealer. But he was a drug dealer, he went to jail. It's kind of a ha-ha thing that we say now, but the reason it's so emotional for me is because I feel like I was robbed.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  It's kind of a ha-ha thing. He's the head of the CBS Evening News? He's the anchor of the CBS Evening News? This is what drives everyone so crazy about the world, how fake everything is. That's the guy? That's the best guy for the job? This is, when I grew up, you would go see Whitney Houston and go, "Fuck, she's good. I can't sing like that. Who cares if she smokes crack? She deserves it." You watch this and it drives you insane. You go, "This guy's crying, his father's a drug dealer? This is who's the best guy for the job?

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  He's gonna have to report on death, like, like murder, war, famine, whatever, and he's crying in a fucking, in some Cuban restaurant about his drug dealer father? So they had to leave Miami? No one believes anything's real anymore. This is a huge problem in our world. People, the, people go, "That's the guy? That's the anchor of the CBS Evening News? It's crazy."

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• 2:15:35Speaker 02

  Yes, Scott Pelley or something.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Big public out.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  So what was he pissed about? He was saying something about they were going against science or... Some of it had to do, I believe, with climate change. Some of it had to do with a bunch of other things that he disagreed with the... Where the news organization... Let's find out what his exact complaints were.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's find out. I don't know what they were, but you know, Barry chairs the meetings there and really goes on and embarrasses herself and on the calls and stuff has no idea what she's talking about and...

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  So here it is. Following his criticism, news editor Barry Weiss, 60 Minutes executive producer Nick Bilton, at a staff meeting, Pelley was fired by CBS News. What did he say? When CBS fired Pelley, Bilton wrote a cover letter, which obtained by the New York Times. Bilton stated as follows, "Your antipathy? Antipathy to the future of the show has come through loud and clear, and I have heard you therefore write on behalf of CBS News, Inc. to inform you that your employment with CBS is terminated for cause effective immediately." Next day Weiss said, "I'm only interested in working in a newsroom that is built on trust and mutual respect." Okay, so what did he say?

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Um, Pelli accused the new CBS leadership of instructing him to insert falsehoods into a political story and to include assertions that were not verified, instructions he says he ignored. The collapse of values at the top has become untenable. The leadership at 60 Minutes is no longer recognizable. Uh, the principles I hold dear are gone, and so I must leave as well. I wonder what exactly they meant, though, by the falsehoods in a political story and including assertions that were not verified?

• 2:17:25Speaker 02

  Well, you know-

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here it is. It says, um, "The story CBS intervened on was a report about the 2026 protests in Minnesota, and the falsehood CBS asked for was to describe protester Renee Good as driving her car toward the officer who killed her, which Pelli said contradicts video evidence of the event." That's correct. It seemed to me that he was, the lady was trying to turn the car away from him-

• 2:17:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:52Joe Rogan?

  But it did brush up against the guy, which is enough for him to decide to kill her.

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 2:17:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, but it wasn't, it was not, she was trying to run him over.

• 2:18:02Speaker 02

  No, and I think it-

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  But however, that guy had been dragged by a car-

• 2:18:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Very recently. So he's probably filled with PTSD, almost fucking died. I think he got dragged like 300 mi, 300 yards, rather.

• 2:18:14Speaker 02

  I think it's fair to ask at this point-

• 2:18:15Joe Rogan?

  300 feet?

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think it's also fair to ask at this point, like, what is the media? Like, what is the media? Like-

• 2:18:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  All due respect to Barry Weiss, but like, so it was a heavily inflated price for the, for her blog that she sold and YouTube channel, whatever. It's clearly, there's clearly a political agenda to this. You have billionaires that own all of these companies, and we're asked to believe that, like, she's the most qualified for the job, even though she's never ran a newsroom. She didn't, like, work her way up the rank. She's an op-ed columnist, an opinion writer, and stuff like that. Great. She made a lot of sense. We said it before. Um, and then she appoints, hires this guy who's crying in a restaurant in Miami about his dad, and it's like, who the hell's that guy? So I think it's fair to ask, like-

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  Do we have any trust left in these institutions? Do we have any trust left in like? People that work there are leaving and saying, I'm being asked to insert things into this that isn't true?

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, that alone, just that alone, like driving the car towards the officer, that's not, that's just not technically correct.

• 2:19:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:21Joe Rogan?

  It seems like she was steering it away. Why would they want to say something that's not correct when you could just see it in a video? Like, if you were running a newsroom, that would be the last thing you would want to do, is contradict something that's obviously verifiable. So, that would, for what reason would you sacrifice your credibility? Because that's essentially what it's doing. It's such a short-term play.

• 2:19:45Speaker 02

  Yes, but I'll tell you exactly why. Because their main demographic is 70-year-olds who are having strokes on their couch. They're not verifying this. They're not. They have a very old audience that is not online savvy, they're not looking at many angles, they're, they have cataracts, and they're hearing this, and it allows them to dismiss it as, well, she did the wrong, you know, she drove justifiable shooting. Yeah, I don't think they're-

• 2:20:15Joe Rogan?

  But somebody's motivating them to do that for those people.

• 2:20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, well, because she's in the tank for Trump, because Trump promised, or maybe didn't promise, but like, whatever, he's useful in the sense that he's gonna go on and topple the regime in Iran, he's gonna sue all these, you know, or he's gonna bring Harvard College to heel for whatever the hell they did. And, you know, she believes that, and again, a lot of this is just connected to her, her view that, you know, Israel's interests are always 100% concurrent with America's, and Trump gets that and he understands that, so she's in the tank for Trump. Which, by the way, if Biden would have invaded Iran, she would have started protecting him.

• 2:21:00Speaker 02

  It doesn't seem like it's, she doesn't care that much about a ton of issues. It seems to be that this is her big issue.

• 2:21:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a disturbing thing to a lot of people, like how much influence do they really have on this country? That's what creeps people out, because I think no one even really considered it before October 7th. It wasn't, I mean, sure, people considered it. Nick Fuentes considered it. But it wasn't like it was an openly discussed thing amongst young people.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:29Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't until we started realizing, first of all, it was AIPAC, it was the weirdness of the New York City mayoral race.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  Very weird. Where they were all like, "We're gonna visit Israel." Like, what?

• 2:21:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's also in direct opposition to the stated goal of the Trump administration, which is to repair the United States and to make it great and to elevate it and to focus on the United States and to not go into Middle Eastern wars, which was a huge, very popular plank of his platform, and to not waste money and saddle ourselves with debt and mire ourselves in these unwinnable wars. And there was such a gaslighting campaign, the Secretary of State came out after the Iran war and goes, "Well, Israel's gonna attack them anyway and our bases were gonna be vulnerable, so we had to join." And then he went, "No, I didn't mean that. I didn't really mean that. We're partners and we both think it's a great idea."

• 2:22:27Speaker 02

  There was tremendous pressure on him to do this.

• 2:22:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  And, you know, it hasn't worked. And it's clearly not in the interest of the United States to be in a Middle Eastern war with Iran. Tons of Jewish people don't believe it is, lots of, you know, people from all walks of life don't believe it, but there's an ideological group of people that donate a lot of money and that are incredibly powerful and they are really pushing this. They're pushing troops and they're pushing nukes.

• 2:22:59Speaker 02

  Unconventional weapons, like crazy bombing campaigns, they're pushing troops on the ground, they don't care what it takes, Iran has to be either completely destroyed, or it's just gotta be a chaos zone, but for the regional ambitions of Israel, they can't, it can't exist. So, I mean, again, and not in a paranoid conspiratorial way, because I don't like the victim stuff either, there's a bunch of people in America being like, "I can't get ahead because Jewish people are successful, I think that's a stupid road to go down, that's a victim road, I hate that, I hate it, I hate it when gay people do it," or anyone, any group of people, I hate when they drench themselves in victimhood. I think when you become a victim, you lose autonomy over your life, it's insane.

• 2:23:44Speaker 02

  But I do think there's a fair, there's a fair question to ask about, what is, you know, what is the motive of, of certain massive big donors? Is the motive the strength and prosperity of America, or is it the strength and prosperity of Israel? That's a fair question.

• 2:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And, like, what about the rest of the world? Like, how, how much are we putting ourselves at odds with the rest of the world?

• 2:24:17Speaker 02

  Indescribably the worst PR ever. And, you know, people cannot justify, you know, you've gotta be a very ideological person to justify, you know, southern Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, perhaps Turkey, this is starting to feel like, this is like a friend you have, who you make excuses for, for a certain amount of time, and then your wife eventually goes, "They're not allowed here, you can't go out with them, they've, they're a problem, they have a fucked up home life, I know they're fun, I know you share values, I know that you enjoy each other, you've known each other for a long time."

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  But here's the deal, they're not coming to the house and they can't be around the kids. Because, you know, that's what it's coming down to.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  It was even worse than that. The thing that drives me crazy is the negotiators. When they get negotiators, then they wind up whacking them.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  They kill all the negotiators.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  And then Trump tells them, "Stop, stop killing the negotiators." "Stop bombing Lebanon."

• 2:25:20Speaker 02

  Is this Iran deal gonna work? Is it gonna work? You know? Stop bombing Lebanon? I think we're at odds now. We're in the last two years, we are now. It's, we're at odds with Israel for the first time, where Trump is really at odds with them. And he's had enough, and I think he is starting to understand that his legacy will be permanently tainted if he doesn't find a way to extricate us from this war. And I think on the other side, and Vance, again, for all the disagreements I might have with Vance about certain things,

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  he is the, one of the only people in that administration who does push against the continuation of this war, which is why a lot of those neoconservative donors try to destroy him. Because of that. I don't love his tech alliances. There's a lot of things I don't like about him. But there's a lot of things I think are good about him. I think there's, and it's not like I don't like about him per se, I worry about, you know, some of his relationships.

• 2:26:24Joe Rogan?

  How many of these relationships you think are like necessary for survival?

• 2:26:29Speaker 02

  I'm sure all of them are, and that doesn't mean, but they still need to be criticized and looked at. And it's 100%.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, not justifying it at all, but I'm saying, I have a feeling, like, no completely autonomous person is ever gonna make it through that maze.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Never. Never. But I think the job is, you turn the heat up enough where maybe if everyone's gonna do 10 horrible things, they do two.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  So, I think it's certainly the job of anyone who looks at this stuff to look at it and go, "Yeah, what is going on? What is happening?" But I will say, for all of the tech, you know, things that I find a little, you know, it's a little like, "What?" I do, I do think that, to his credit, he's the only one in there. And you can tell, and it's not that I... I have some inside knowledge, they're only, he's being attacked the most. By the people that want the war to continue.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:25Speaker 02

  And I think he knows his political ambitions will be completely destroyed by a continuation of this war. So, I look at all these people, not as human beings, even though they are human beings, but I look at them as like, they're running the show, they're running the country, so they all have ambitions and it's hard to know their hearts or heads or how they feel from one day to the next.

• 2:27:46Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  It's very difficult. So I think when you look at them, you look at them and you go, yeah, he's a, he's calculated and ambitious, but he also is the one being attacked by people that want the war to continue. Tucker Carlson, who again, I have agreements with Tucker, I have disagreements with Tucker, he, the attacks on him are insane. The attacks on Megyn Kelly are wild. Because of this issue. It's not a myriad of issues, it's this issue.

• 2:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, undoubtedly. And it's weird. It's weird because it's so transparent. It's so transparent and the, the whole world is seeing it play out and it's like the amount of gaslighting that you have to keep pumping.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:32Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's not sustainable.

• 2:28:33Speaker 02

  Well, to say that this was not in the interest, this was in America's interest, you have to do, you have to, you have to jump around logically so much.

• 2:28:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is also the problem with the justification of what happened in Gaza. When people will try to say Israel, like, God was saying, they, they're doing the best they can. Like, look, look at the drone footage. Fly over that. If that's the best you can do, that's crazy. Like, it's better, is that better than a nuke? Because I don't think it is. It's like, it's,

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  It's inhumane.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  It looks like the damage of a nuke just spread out over two years instead of one blast.

• 2:29:07Speaker 02

  It's inhumane, it's evil, it's children being killed, it's mothers being killed in front of their children. And by the way, October 7th was inhumane, but I shouldn't have to keep doing that.

• 2:29:17Joe Rogan?

  Of course you shouldn't have to do that, but it's also October 7th, you know, the people that got killed, those were the ravers, right?

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  So those are the people that were anti Netanyahu.

• 2:29:25Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  Those are not the people that were like,

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  They also killed, I, I think probably a lot of like, mother, they dragged people out of their houses.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they killed a ton of people that were,

• 2:29:33Speaker 02

  It's a bad situation there.

• 2:29:34Joe Rogan?

  Look, it's also like, why did it take so long to respond to that?

• 2:29:39Speaker 02

  Well, this is another very interesting, very important question.

• 2:29:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  Because there's a lot of people that say it's a state the size of New Jersey. And the security failures are, they're, they're pretty wild and there hasn't been a real investigation into them. And Netanyahu's kind of prevented that. And they've kind of made it illegal to question that in Israel, like people were like writing about that and going, what the hell's going on, but like.

• 2:30:07Joe Rogan?

  It's illegal?

• 2:30:08Speaker 02

  Well, there was, they've made a law, and you can look this up, about things like this in Israel, because during wartime, they haven't had an ele-, have they had an election?

• 2:30:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:30:19Speaker 02

  Since October 7th?

• 2:30:20Joe Rogan?

  No. Right?

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  Y- y- right. They haven't had an election.

• 2:30:25Joe Rogan?

  Because of the war, right?

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  Right. And Ukraine hasn't had an ele-, nobody's had an ele-, so if I'm living in a country and the leader of my country just wants to be in a war forever, there's no democracy?

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, Clinton said that. Clinton said that about Netanyahu. He said he wants to maintain a war. I mean, he said it openly in an interview.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:45Joe Rogan?

  So then he maintained power.

• 2:30:46Speaker 02

  And then a nice chubby intern showed up.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I wish.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  And a nice chubby intern showed up.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Before the internet and all these busybodies was around. He was the first guy to go viral.

• 2:30:59Speaker 02

  So, I mean, that's the thing, you don't, you don't have elections, you don't have people looking into things. And by the way, that's not the only thing that should be looked into, look into bu-, look at everything.

• 2:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:08Speaker 02

  Where are the 9/11 docs? What happened? Can we know? Why can't we know anything? What, why can't we know anything?

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  You know?

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  This is all of it. It's like.

• 2:31:21Speaker 02

  Release all, we're all adults, release it, let's see what happened. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure no one did anything naughty.

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  I think this is all kind of breaking, though. And I think that one of the things, one of the things that's happening with AI, it's like all these things that they are protecting us from, they're gon-, we're gonna find out that stuff.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  Well, here's the thing, I mean, I met you in 2019. I, the first time I met you was 2018. Big Jay Okerson was opening for you in Toronto.

• 2:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, but then I met you in 2019. And that's what, six years ago, seven years ago?

• 2:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  There were cracks of it breaking then, but almost invisible. Like you couldn't see them. Now, you have full on, like, huge sinkholes opening into the reality that most people have accepted for their entire life.

• 2:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  Big.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, big.

• 2:32:17Speaker 02

  Big.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  And you see, like, this Tulsi Gabbard, this press release that she did, this conference where she's talking about Fauci and what he did and all that.

• 2:32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  All that. There's, there's, we're getting information now.

• 2:32:30Speaker 02

  We're getting information?

• 2:32:31Joe Rogan?

  That let us know that the entire system has been completely corrupted for a long fucking time.

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  For a very long time.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  For a very long time.

• 2:32:39Speaker 02

  And it won't survive, it clearly can't survive the way we're in, is it 40 trillion dollars worth of debt?

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  It's close.

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:32:49Joe Rogan?

  It was at 39.

• 2:32:49Speaker 02

  No one thinks that's getting paid back.

• 2:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, who we owe it to? Tell them to go fuck off.

• 2:32:54Speaker 02

  Right. So, we have, a lot of it's China. But like, no one thinks that's getting paid back. The dollar is the world's reserve currency, seems to have a limited amount of time. I don't know, but this is what's discussed.

• 2:33:08Speaker 02

  No, I mean, how does this system survive this level of information? People are not gonna...

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that this whole race to AI, this like Manhattan Project style race that's going on right now, like, the future of whatever the United States is, kind of depends on us getting there first?

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:33:28Speaker 02

  I think part of it is that.

• 2:33:29Joe Rogan?

  If we don't get there first, then it's probably a wrap. If you really thought about it, like, if China gets there first? If control of resources and everything's shut off?

• 2:33:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Whatever, how, if it's weaponized?

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  My worry is that, in the guise of fighting China, we're gonna become China. You know, so I would take the government a lot more seriously if they weren't, you know, potentially having like, like saying Palantir should merge all these different government databases. So your health data and your criminal justice data and your tax data all merges and who's doing that? Palantir. So you go, and then they go, well, China's got a credit score. Well, what the hell is that?

• 2:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  What the hell's this? What?

• 2:34:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:11Speaker 02

  So when Vance comes out and he goes, I'm worried about a credit score. It's like, okay, hey buddy, me too. What the hell's this? So it's a little bit of gaslighting in that sense, too. They're like, if China gets all this stuff, you're all gonna, you know, we lose. And you go, okay. So it's almost like China will enslave you. Let us do it first.

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior.

• 2:34:34Speaker 02

  That's right. Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. We're gonna be watching them. You heard that quote?

• 2:34:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  Everyone's gonna be on their best behavior. This is what these, the world economic, people like that, they don't have an interest in you owning a house or farming land or starting a business or they don't have any interest in that. It does not serve them at all. It did for a while, but their economic projection is that that's not gonna be possible for you. So what they're gonna do, they're building bunkers, they're hoarding all the wealth and they're, you know, heavily invested in all this AI. And one of the reasons I think that we have to strike a deal with Iran is all this UAE money props up Hollywood, all these startups, it props up all the AI, a lot of it. A lot of that money's coming from Qatar and the UAE.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  And their, and our bases are getting blown off the earth in those countries. Those countries are getting attacked because of this war. And they're a huge financier of American startups and some AI startups. So like, one thing that I wonder about all of this is just how much this just does seem now to be a high level chess game about the, the future and what is and isn't possible. But the only thing that makes me personally happy is that Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump just bought an island.

• 2:35:55Joe Rogan?

  The Romanian people are really excited.

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  They're really excited.

• 2:35:58Joe Rogan?

  You see how they were celebrating in the streets?

• 2:36:00Speaker 02

  I believe they burned the prime minister's house, the president, or whoever. They just start lighting houses on fire. And that's coming, by the way, they just did it in Belfast. That's coming. People starting to light things on fires coming. That's coming. I'm not calling for it, I'm not saying it's good. But it's coming. Because voting's become fake.

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  Um, no one cares. You know, people on threads, it's fake. It's fake. It's so obvious, it's fake. Acts, it's all fake. So, the only, and you know what? Again, I'm not calling for it, it's bad, but fire's real.

• 2:36:51Speaker 02

  If you ask the people at Palisades or Malibu and whatever, RIP, I like the Palisades, that stupid mall, I liked it. But this is real. People are gonna start realizing that this, all this technology has just been set up to give you this idea that you have some effect. And all the while Jared and Ivanka just go buy an island. That's what's happening. But maybe it's fine.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Have you gotten any invites to any bunkers?

• 2:37:17Speaker 02

  No. No, they're not.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Do you think you'd feel differently if you did?

• 2:37:22Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:37:23Joe Rogan?

  I know you've had invites to do interesting things.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  I've had invites to teal and I've said no because I would, I think, you know, he'd probably sit me down and go, "Listen to me, you fat fuck, you're gonna shut your mouth." And I'd sit there and I'd go, "Ah." No, I think it's, I think if they were gonna invite me, someone goes, "This is the guy who dressed up as Kristi Noem's husband with fake tits." And they go, "We can't have him here." But by the way, absolutely, if somebody said to me, "A few people are gonna survive, and it's just gonna be you and these people, and everybody else is gonna die." It's tough. How fun would it be, though? Is it fun? Is it fun if the whole world dies? And I'm just sitting and having dinner with Eddie Vance and his wife?

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  I mean, is that the fu- with Peter Thiel, me and Usha and Jay just-

• 2:38:15Joe Rogan?

  Eating steak?

• 2:38:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, is that, is that what we want? I don't know.

• 2:38:19Joe Rogan?

  Probably not.

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  Probably not.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  What's the best-case scenario?

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  The best-case scenario is a new era of enlightened people and enlightened thinking and soulfulness and spirituality and a, and a, and a healthy attachment to technology and religion and, you know, people's, people's, you know, a, a, a common kind of, a sense of morality and togetherness and love for community that's not enforced by governments, corporations, and armies?

• 2:38:52Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:38:52Speaker 02

  I'm not betting on that, but that would be-

• 2:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Good? Well, there's a battle, right?

• 2:38:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is a battle.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's not like one side is clearly going to win. We're moving in a very weird direction of uncertainty, but humans today are way better at being people, way kinder and nicer, despite all our problems, than we have ever been in the past.

• 2:39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  Society is generally, at least in first-world countries, safer than it's ever been in the past.

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:23Joe Rogan?

  And it's also, there's more opportunity to do things now because of technology that's ever existed before. So, but this, it's not worse, but it's not moving in the best direction possible. Like, if you had to choose between living today, the way we're living now, or living in 1976 in San Francisco, I'd be like, "Go fuck yourself. I don't want shitty breaks and live with these fucking people that don't know anything because no one has the internet. Fuck that."

• 2:39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  You'd, you're, you're better off living today. The communication you have is better today.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  You would go see Janis Joplin-

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:56Speaker 02

  And you'd be smoking weed, and a burrito would be 50 cents, and then you would go into a park and fuck and then die.

• 2:40:06Speaker 02

  And it might not be as bad as one thinks. And who knows, I didn't live during that time, so I'm sure there was a lot of pitfalls. You get stabbed, whatever. Like, New York was more culturally interesting when there was crime. I'm against there being crime, because New York couldn't have existed. It can't be 1983 in New York now.

• 2:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Times Square is a mall. Times Square right now is a TGI Fridays.

• 2:40:31Speaker 02

  But, sure.

• 2:40:31Joe Rogan?

  It used to be chaos.

• 2:40:33Speaker 02

  It used to be chaos, but it can't be chaos forever. But again, in that city, do you get the Ramones? Do you get all of that stuff? Probably not.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:40:42Speaker 02

  Probably not.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  No, you need some chaos for art, for sure.

• 2:40:46Speaker 02

  You need a little chaos.

• 2:40:47Joe Rogan?

  You don't get chaos from TGI Fridays. You don't get that kind of chaos.

• 2:40:51Speaker 02

  But I do think that there's a time for certain things and there's an inertia that moves certain things forward. Meaning like, it would be crazy to think about New York in the 80s today. Like, no one's built for that life today.

• 2:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:03Speaker 02

  No one's even built for that. Like, one of the reasons that wars don't work anymore is we're just not built for it. When I built, it used to be built for war. People used to be built for war. They were built to like, just like, yeah, somebody calls me and I just go die. You know, there's like a petition on the door and it's like, "Report here, we're going to war." People were built for, nobody's built for that now. People file complaints with DoorDash. I file complaints.

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  1981 Rolling Stone magazine called West 42nd Street, located in the heart of Times Square, as the sleaziest block in America.

• 2:41:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Now, it's probably prime real estate.

• 2:41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, listen, there's parts of it that are, you know, it's all prime real estate there. Whether people like it or not, it's not necessarily, you know, it's better because it's safer, but it's worse because it's safer. Nothing's all one thing. Nothing's all one thing. There's still great art there, there's still great music and comedy and theater and all that stuff. Is it as good as it was? No, no. But again, it's just because the people that are doing it are amazing, and they're talented, but like, culture is so... Decentralized now and fractures, it's, nothing can stay cool. Everything that pop, you know, what's depressing me about New York is it's become like,

• 2:42:20Speaker 02

  it's become a place where people just go on Instagram and post a, you know, when you used to go to dinner in New York City, you would eat French food, or food you could never make at home, you've never even seen, you didn't hear, they would treat you like shit, it was fun. Now you go to these places, because Taylor Swift went there, you have like they, they just do like a high-end version of like a Totino's pizza roll, they put truffle oil on it, here's a French dip, here's a burger, people their burger. It's just a basic bitch mall city now, that's really what it's become. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of psychopaths there making lots of money and good for them. But it's becoming a suburban city, it's a city where people talk about chicken salad, it's a city where people go to Wegmans, it's just a different city. It's Pilates and toddlers, it's all great, it's fine, I don't want to see people getting shanked,

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  but it's not what it was, it's just not what it was, it doesn't have that same magic and nothing does it, laid as, nothing really does. And it, and it won't come back.

• 2:43:15Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think it's coming back. I don't know if that's good or bad, if I lived there, I mean, who knows what the fuck's gonna happen now with Mom Donnie as mayor? I mean, that'll, that weirdness where, what is that guy's name, Ken Griffin, the guy, the billionaire guy who's in front of his apartment?

• 2:43:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Billionaire guy lives here, he's got so much money, we're gonna take it.

• 2:43:33Speaker 02

  Well, they don't, well, here's the thing, it's all fake, it's all fake, Mom Donnie's Trump, he's smart, he's sharp, he's good-looking and young, he just, he's this whole crap. It's YouTube, it's like, look, billionaire guy, Ken Griffin's in Palm Beach, building a house worth a billion dollars. You're not gonna do anything to Ken Griffin, you're a city employee. The mayor is fake, like, it's like, he'll raise taxes maybe if he can get it done, but he can't. It'll get dirtier, crime will go up, or it won't, it's kind of whatever. It, it, it's just not, you know, I, I think it's not, it's, it's more just the corporations rule? And guys like him, it's like Bernie Sanders, he's the version of the socialist you get, what does it even mean? He has a bunch of military-industrial complex jobs in Vermont,

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  sweetheart of a man, but has not gotten one goddamn thing for 30 years.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Worth billions, has three homes.

• 2:44:23Speaker 02

  Millions, has three, the Clintons sandbag him because they're working for God only knows who, the Goldman Sachs and the devil, and... And he goes and says Hillary's great, they're all great, it's all great, the system's fine, I lost, he got sandbagged, like twice, and he doesn't, and he doesn't burn it to the ground, he won't burn it to the ground, because that's the version of a socialist you get in America, and I'm not even like a socialist, but I'm saying like, that's clearly, this is, you throw the bone to placate someone.

• 2:44:50Joe Rogan?

  It's also they're playing a game, and his game is to stay relevant, keep being a politician, keep being a senator from Vermont, you stay there forever, everybody loves you, Ben and Jerry's.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  Vermont is a lily-white state of, of-

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Frozen people.

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  Of frozen people, and it's just a bunch of lesbians, and I think Alec Baldwin now, because he shot someone.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Does he live there now?

• 2:45:12Speaker 02

  I think he does, but I don't know, and I like him, shout out to him, we've all moved on. But, I think, you know, Sanders is doing what he has to do to please that demographic of people.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  What do you think happens in 2028?

• 2:45:28Speaker 02

  I think, I think the donors want Rubio, but Rubio's kind of a buffoon.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  Why do they want Rubio?

• 2:45:34Speaker 02

  Because he's not, Vance is more isolationist than Rubio, and I think Vance is more in league with the tech people, whereas Rubio, maybe the central banking cartels of intergenerational pools of capital that are more invested in the war industry and might be slightly more aligned with Israel, like Rubio, like there are different fiefdoms of the super rich, I think the tech guys are relatively new, not that they don't get involved in war, of course they do, but it's not all hunky-dory, you know, if you had a banking empire for years and centuries, and you're like, now all these new tech fucks are here, and you're like, what is this, and you're like, we make our money with war, and so do the tech people, by the way, but they have other ways to make money, um, so I, I do think Vance will get

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  the nomination, I don't think Rubio, I used to think it would be Rubio, but I've watched Rubio recently, more, and I don't think Rubio, he's, he's, he's, he's too buff- it's a, I can't take him seriously, I don't know why.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  Trump again suggests a Vance Rubio 2028 presidential ticket, or perhaps Rubio Vance.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  So this will, it'll probably be those two.

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. But do you think that people are gonna wanna buy into another Republican party?

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  No, no, it'll be a Democrat. I think it'll be a Democrat.

• 2:46:48Joe Rogan?

  Who do you think wins?

• 2:46:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is yet. I think it's somebody that we don't know who it is. I think, I don't think it's Newsom. I don't think it's AOC. I think it's somebody that comes from a red state, who's a Democrat governor, a purple state. We don't know who they are yet. They pop up, they're boring. I think we need boring? I think a boring person's gonna come in and just be like, "Hey, I'm the president."

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Reasonable.

• 2:47:12Speaker 02

  The show's over. Michelle Obama's a woman. And then a few, you'll hear some of the country go, "Huh." Because Trump's a drug, and you gotta detox from that. And this whole last decade has been a drug. And it's been the craziest decade that I've been alive. I remember sitting with you on election night. I remember me, you, and Alex sitting down. I remember all these things. Where we're watching these crazy, I remember the, I remember when, when Trump was shot. I remember tragically when Charlie Kirk was shot. I remember all of these things that have happened that are just so crazy. And now seem so far away, and like they're so far in the past.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Gavin Newsom is the favorite.

• 2:47:50Speaker 02

  They like this guy, Jon Ossoff.

• 2:47:52Joe Rogan?

  Who's that guy?

• 2:47:53Speaker 04

  I just looked him up. I didn't know either. He's the youngest incumbent senator out of Georgia.

• 2:47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's having a moment. It could be him.

• 2:48:01Joe Rogan?

  You just nailed it.

• 2:48:02Speaker 02

  It could be him. Look at him. There he goes.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  That looks like a president.

• 2:48:05Speaker 02

  Just put him in, who cares?

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. His neck is medium. It's not too thin. It's not too thick.

• 2:48:11Speaker 02

  He's got that face that people like.

• 2:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Teller Rico's neck is a little too small.

• 2:48:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I've, I've, yeah, that's probably true.

• 2:48:18Joe Rogan?

  Little bit more square jawed. Conservative Georgia radio host endorses Jon Ossoff for US Senate.

• 2:48:25Speaker 02

  If they wanna win, they, they just have to go, "Hey, everybody, remember healthcare? Don't you want that?"

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Is he a Republican? He's a Democrat.

• 2:48:36Speaker 02

  He's a Democrat, but he's gonna LARP as a Republican, in the same way that Spencer Pratt's like, "I'm actually a Democrat." You know what I mean?

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Worked as a national security staffer.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a spook. Put him in. Who cares? It's fake at this point. We all know it's fake. How much more evidence does anyone need?

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, Tim Dillon.

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 2:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Glad you're out there.

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  I'm glad you have me in here.

• 2:49:01Joe Rogan?

  Your podcast rules.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother. I really appreciate it.

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  It's such a great escape.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  It's so beautiful because just the way you're able to just combine reality with humor is very rare.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  Well, thank you, dude. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  It's a very unusual thing you're doing. It's very insightful political commentary and social commentary, mixed in with hilarious takes on things that's very nihilist.

• 2:49:26Speaker 02

  Well, I'll keep doing it until I'm put in a jail. Thank you, brother. Appreciate it.

• 2:49:31Joe Rogan?

  Appreciate you. Bye, everybody.

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