Pittsburgh's Joey Porter Sr & Jr Steelers Legacy, George Pickens, Mike Tomlin

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find The NFL Training Camp Tour continues and we have come to one of The Pivot's favorite stops...visiting our Pittsburgh Family, Steelers Camp, we are like the Uncles who never go away when we are here! Sitting down with the 2nd father and son duo drafted to the same team, the first being Channing and his father to Miami and now Joey Porter Sr and Joey Porter Jr to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Here's your report.

• 0:01Speaker 01

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• 0:20Speaker 01

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• 0:24Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 02

  We gonna go through the back, huh? We gonna see if we can let us in. We gonna go through the back? Yeah, we gonna try. I mean... Ryan, goddamn, Clark. Yeah, I hear you. Ryan's on the way. Yeah, that's gonna work. Ryan's on the way. That's not how it works. That's how it works. That is not how it works. Ryan Clark, everybody. Shut up, man. Ryan Clark's coming. Shut up. What's up, y'all? What's up, man? How you doing, man? Good to see you, too. What's up? What's going on, man?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Ryan Clark's on the way.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  It's gonna work. We just want those securities.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Motherfucker's a man. Hi, everybody. Ryan's on the way.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Hey, receivers. Ryan Clark. Saint Vincent.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Listen, okay, you wanna act crazy. Miami ain't treating me like this. Super Bowl ring, woo.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  That has nothing to do with it, dawg. Super Bowl ring, Ryan Clark. That has zero to do with it, dawg. I'm about to go talk to the DBs, man. Oh, Ryan Clark's on the way. Bro, you're stupid, man. The fuck am I... Who... The safeties right now better than you. Who are the safeties? The safeties are way, way better than me. Mika Fitzpatrick's here. Oh, Mika Fitzpatrick got Ryan Clark. Yeah.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  My time, little Michael, I'm about to spoil, man.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  What's up my boy? How you doing? I'm blessed, baby, I'm blessed, yes sir. Yeah, Kenny Pickett didn't even know anybody played for the Steelers in the Cardinals. Did you see me? I'm gonna get some jerseys. I'm gonna buy some. Open your eyes. That's cool, man. Open your eyes. Everything's great, man. Y'all kidding me, right? Trying, bro. Ain't no trying. Lot of travel. I see that. Lot of travel. I see that. I had me about three hours this morning. There he is. That was just in LA, right? We in Hottown. Okay. Hottown, yeah, I was out there. What's up, man? Ram, I'm saying Ram. Man, you right on time. Sure, y'all just going. I heard. Yes, sir, man, all day. All right, you good, baby? I was gonna see you, baby. Hey, baby, y'all good? Yeah.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I told him, I told him he my son, I told him he my son's godfather. That's what he told me. That's what he told me. I'll do it, but stay out. My son Mason. Hey, what up, son? You good, baby? Yes, sir. All love, baby. What's up, man? Man, it's just. J and P and E, J and P and E. Man, y'all doing awesome. Man, it's just fun to watch from the distance, it just make me smile. See, everybody still talk about that show? Man, y'all right there. Yo, you right there with Floyd and Shaq. Hey, somebody told him, somebody like, uh, dude said it in the day, said they told, at least I don't know what she meant, she was like, yeah. When I saw y'all had Mike, uh, Mike T, and he took his feet off, he was like, I know what it done. Man, shoot, man. You kidding me? I done told that story a hundred times.

• 3:21Speaker 03

  Then walked down the stage, was like, y'all boys with a drink, I was like, oh shit. Man, come to my house? Make me all comfortable? Nah, everywhere he goes, though, he like, shoot, they ain't like Mike T. They come back. All the coaches, I be like, y'all ain't like Mike T. Y'all ain't like Mike T, yeah. Yeah. Who, who y'all got there, GP? Oh, yeah. Who y'all got, GP? Nah, we ain't got GP, we gonna wait on GP. I wanna see GP. I wanna get it. I gotta get it to y'all, man. GP?

• 3:51Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T say stop starting trouble, man.

• 3:53Fred Taylor?

  I told him earlier.

• 3:57Ryan Clark?

  He say stop starting trouble.

• 3:58Fred Taylor?

  Hey, boy, you're a dog out there, man.

• 4:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Fred Taylor?

  Not like that type of dog. I ain't talking about the Bulldogs, none of that.

• 4:06Ryan Clark?

  They a monster, bro.

• 4:07Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I already know.

• 4:08Speaker 06

  I'm trying to feast out there, man.

• 4:09Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, feeling good?

• 4:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, man, feeling good, man. Just trying to do that yards out the catcher, so more instead of the uh, out of bounds, uh, catch.

• 4:18Ryan Clark?

  So you gonna get to move around a little bit, though?

• 4:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:20Ryan Clark?

  See, that's good.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 4:22Fred Taylor?

  And your awareness should do this, too. Should be able to see more of the field, just have a bit more attitude, because you know what to expect. They know what to expect from you.

• 4:31Ryan Clark?

  He don't need no help with attitude.

• 4:32Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah.

• 4:34Ryan Clark?

  He know he can play, yeah. He know he can play. He don't.

• 4:37Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that's the key. You know, the game slow down that much more for you.

• 4:42Ryan Clark?

  What's the goals this year, then? If you, if you looking for, for touches and, and numbers, what's the goal?

• 4:47Speaker 06

  Uh, trying to get over 1K for sure.

• 4:50Ryan Clark?

  1K?

• 4:52Speaker 06

  I want to go to a Pro Bowl. I want us to win the Super Bowl, too, because I know the feeling of the Natty feeling like, oh, everybody feel like they won.

• 4:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 5:00Speaker 06

  And listen, run everybody, because everybody, you invested in trying to get to the SB.

• 5:05Ryan Clark?

  Trying to get to the SB, Joey?

• 5:08Speaker 06

  Let me see. That's about it. That's about it, though.

• 5:11Ryan Clark?

  Now, you get some.

• 5:11Fred Taylor?

  Nice list.

• 5:12Ryan Clark?

  The, the, the first one, honestly, you want to win it, but when you win it and you contribute it enough to be a Pro Bowler, they treat you different. It's a, or when you, when you're one of the guys, it's a, it's a different feeling. Like, everybody's happy about the Super Bowl, for sure, but when you went out there.

• 5:29Speaker 06

  You, yeah, he is for sure.

• 5:31Ryan Clark?

  You know, like, so keep, just keep doing what you're doing, man. We go, um, I'll get your number before we leave. We get you on during the season.

• 5:37Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 5:37Ryan Clark?

  My man, appreciate your time, bro.

• 5:39Fred Taylor?

  Thank you, man. Thank you for meeting you, bro. Do your thing.

• 5:42Ryan Clark?

  Is the, is the big hat a rookie thing? Yeah, how you doing?

• 5:45Speaker 07

  How you doing, man? How you doing?

• 5:46Ryan Clark?

  Good, how was the day?

• 5:48Speaker 07

  It was alright.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Easy.

• 5:49Speaker 07

  It was alright.

• 5:50Fred Taylor?

  I'm not a tiger. What's up, bro? It's good what you can't.

• 5:53Ryan Clark?

  You know, like in that, just chesting.

• 5:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 5:56Ryan Clark?

  Just get them down, because the thing is, it's about not missing. Who knew you could hit? Just get them down, just so, because I hate when they spin the ball and all that stupid.

• 6:04Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 6:05Ryan Clark?

  You got fifteen yards, I'm by myself, you in the league, I'm posting issue.

• 6:09Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 6:10Ryan Clark?

  Chest, I hate that, I just say it for A.T. I hate that.

• 6:12Speaker 07

  That's what I was telling Mink about, he was like, I'm coming in fast, he said, I just gotta break down at the end.

• 6:16Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:17Speaker 07

  And then let them make a move attack.

• 6:18Ryan Clark?

  It's just about picking a side too, right? Like if I'm, because in the game, what you gonna do? If I'm here, you gonna force them back to the...

• 6:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 6:24Ryan Clark?

  Right, so now it's just about foreign them up. The only thing is, your mind immediately clicks into, I'm by myself.

• 6:29Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:29Ryan Clark?

  Right, so now you mis-leverages and stuff like that, and on the sideline, just keep running. Just keep running.

• 6:36Ryan Clark?

  You talk to your pop, bro? He say he on his way?

• 6:38Speaker 07

  Nah, I ain't even talk to him.

• 6:41Fred Taylor?

  How you feeling?

• 6:42Speaker 07

  Feeling good.

• 6:42Fred Taylor?

  Everything good?

• 6:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, everything's great.

• 6:44Fred Taylor?

  Uh-huh.

• 6:45Ryan Clark?

  Took a long, bruh.

• 6:46Speaker 07

  It's a long camp. I know y'all different back in y'all time.

• 6:50Ryan Clark?

  Yo, barely.

• 6:51Speaker 07

  This, this still long.

• 6:52Fred Taylor?

  Was, was it second week, third week?

• 6:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, I feel like the fourth one.

• 6:55Ryan Clark?

  It's the second week, Freddie T. He just started.

• 6:57Speaker 07

  It can't be the second, it gotta be the third.

• 6:58Fred Taylor?

  The team wearing you down.

• 7:00Speaker 07

  I, I feel like it is.

• 7:02Fred Taylor?

  What was one thing, uh, your pop told you on the approach to training camp?

• 7:08Speaker 07

  He was like, play with that chip on your shoulder. And he was just like, be ready for any type of situation, because they gonna put you through it.

• 7:15Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 7:15Speaker 07

  He already told me Coach T was gonna be on my ass the whole time, so...

• 7:19Fred Taylor?

  They just want you to be special?

• 7:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:21Fred Taylor?

  They know it's in your bloodline, they know they can get it out too.

• 7:24Speaker 07

  Man.

• 7:25Fred Taylor?

  If, if anybody played with a chip on your shoulder, it was your dad, I had to try to deal with him, lock him.

• 7:30Ryan Clark?

  He was just mean.

• 7:31Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, he was always mean.

• 7:32Ryan Clark?

  He was mean to me, and I was his freaking teammate.

• 7:35Fred Taylor?

  But now he brought it every, every snap though.

• 7:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:38Fred Taylor?

  Every snap.

• 7:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'm finna go, I'm gonna do it, we'll see afterwards. Alright, bet. I think we gonna be down here too, JP.

• 7:43Speaker 07

  I got you.

• 7:44Ryan Clark?

  What's up?

• 8:09Ryan Clark?

  Hey, do knees hurt jogging over here, huh?

• 8:11Speaker 08

  Well, all them heels, man. We got too many heels up here, man. Goodness gracious.

• 8:15Ryan Clark?

  Hey, listen, we don't have tootsies, we got heels.

• 8:18Speaker 08

  I just need to go to Tootsie's.

• 8:20Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, not a show can actually start. We got JJ, Joey Porter Jr., we got Pezy, Joey Porter Sr., Chan, Freddie T., I'm RC. Obviously, we appreciate you guys tuning in. Lil' Joey, you here now. We all understand what your father was here, what he is here. For you, though, what has it been like starting your journey in training camp as Joey Porter Jr., not Big Pezy or Joey Porter's son?

• 8:47Speaker 07

  I mean, it's been great, you know? It's something I already expected when I got picked to here. The fan love is gonna be crazy, the expectations that I had because of what he's done is at a high standard. So, really, that just motivated me more to really just stand myself as a guy that they could trust to put on that field.

• 9:02Ryan Clark?

  How different is it for you now, though? How you felt walking into camp and now knowing your son's out here in camp? Because I have Jordan, you know what I'm saying, Pezy, and I get it. When I was out here, I always felt like I had control to change what was going on. When it's your kid, you don't, bro. So, what's that feeling been like seeing him in the black and gold?

• 9:22Speaker 08

  It was good because I knew his family and I had a chance to work with Pat P. when Pat P. was a rookie. So, when we grabbed Pat P., I was like, oh, man, it's crazy. And Pat P. go, my son get to run with Pat P., you know what I'm saying? So, I know he's gonna be in good hands just in that room. You got Minka, you got TJ and Cam that was going to watch him play in high school football. So, he's still got a lot of these guys on the team that been supporting him when he would get in trouble on this field right here. He missed the running over there, so he was late. So, I had my golf cart at the time and we ran this whole field like 15 times because he missed the workout. So, like, they seen all of that, you know what I mean? So, I feel good him coming back here because I'm like, man, he actually know this place and he

• 10:07Speaker 08

  is crazier than some of the guys that's still here on the team when he was. Junior year, sophomore year, senior year in high school as a ball boy. And I just knew that was gonna mesh good because they knew the kid, they knew the character. They knew who he was, they didn't have to make him like senior. I mean, he didn't have to be me. He could be JJ and he was gonna be good.

• 10:29Fred Taylor?

  I kinda envy you guys because this was a place I was hoping I could call home during my free agency. But I teased Coach T because I never got that call. But I know about the tradition, you know, it's rich, the history of being a Steeler. You know, your dad, he set out, brought rings home here for the organization. Do you feel any pressure to continue that and carry the Porter last name?

• 10:55Speaker 07

  Definitely. That's what I, that's what me and my little brother strive on, just bringing that legacy. He got one, I'm trying to up him, get two. My younger brother trying to up me and get three. It's just like a competition in the house, but it's a family competition that keeps all of us motivated and all of us keep striving.

• 11:10Fred Taylor?

  What's the phone calls like, you know, after a day like today? You know, I kinda overheard you guys saying you didn't have a great practice.

• 11:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:19Fred Taylor?

  You wanna be as good as all the other corners that are on the team and the guys are in the NFL. You know, what, what was that conversation like? Not the phone call, but the conversation like right there?

• 11:27Speaker 07

  I mean, he's always gonna keep it real with me, no matter what. He's gonna break it down to me if I don't wanna hear it or not. And that's the good things about going to him because he played, he played before, he know what I'm talking about. Really, he just always keep me looking forward for the next day. Cause I get in my head, cause I wanna be that guy on the field every time I step in. Sometimes it's just not your day and you gotta be able to watch film and not look away and own up to your mistakes and keep it rolling. And that's what he always taught me.

• 11:51Ryan Clark?

  Well, I'm gonna say this though. We got the video of George Pickens catching the ball. And I know how it works out here with teammates, right? You talk a little trash, he hands you the ball. I played with your dad, it was only a year. I watched your dad kick every coach out of a meeting room. They say, hey, this is a player only meeting. There was no off button. If you was in that locker room, you could get it too. For you, what is it like when you grow up with a father who is known as really being that dude? Like, your father could really play. Everybody knows that. But this man got filmed throwing hands in Cleveland. So what is it like, man, when you walk into the building? Not the legacy of, "I gotta play like Pops," but the legacy of that level of toughness, aggression,

• 12:34Ryan Clark?

  and really just being straight up, like, "I ain't taking no shit."

• 12:37Speaker 07

  It's cool. Like, nobody really trying me on anything, see if I'm tough or not. I mean, we could do that, go down that way, but we're a team, so I really don't go like that. But they're really more shocked of how I talk when I'm on the field. Because I'm so laid back off-field, and I'm quiet, and I'm calm, cool, collected. But when we on the field, I'm talking the whole time. Like, me and George go at it every day. Like, that's what I look forward to. If he gonna talk, I'm gonna talk too. It's like, we gonna see who gonna get the better of each other.

• 13:01Ryan Clark?

  We've seen that matchup. And, you know, you wear a 24, Ike Taylor, your uncle. He wore that when I was here, when your pops was here. And he was that type of dog. Every day, when it was Antonio Holmes, if it was Antonio Brown. When those one-on-ones happened, he was the first person out of line every time. And I've seen that from you. What do you gain from a matchup with someone as talented as George? And also someone as athletic as he is, but competitive as well?

• 13:29Speaker 07

  It really just sees where I'm at, where I could stack against everybody. You know, it's good work every time. And I just tell him, like, every time, if I gotta make you do an acrobatic catch like that, then that's good on my part. Obviously, I don't want you to catch it. But if you gotta do something crazy like that every time, then I know I'm in a good position.

• 13:42Ryan Clark?

  Peasey, what you felt when he put the ball in his chest?

• 13:45Speaker 08

  First of all, I was laughing at the good catch because I knew how he was about to be tight.

• 13:52Speaker 07

  I was sick.

• 13:52Speaker 08

  I was like, because when he made the catch, I'm like, "Oh, wow, that was a crazy catch." And I told him, I said, "Man, you know you going up on SportsCenter." And he said, "No." I said, "Man, no, that catch was like that." I said, "It was a great catch." And I said, he said, "Man, I was right there." I said, "Yeah, man, this is the league." Like, you can be in perfect coverage, and it's gonna happen. Like, we was playing, I was telling about the catch that, uh... B-Hop called on Joe Hayden.

• 14:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 08

  Man, Joe was in the best coverage you can have. And when Joe came to the sideline, I said, I ain't got nothing for you.

• 14:23Ryan Clark?

  Right, right. Tell me you were coaching here.

• 14:25Speaker 08

  Yeah, I said, man, if I could put you back in that same spot again, I would put you back in that same spot. I don't know how the dude caught the ball.

• 14:32Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 14:32Speaker 08

  And that's football, like, at the highest level that we play. The Beckham catches, like, it's athletes in this league, man, that is just as tremendous, if not better. And you're gonna see more acrobatic catches, because these dudes are just getting that good.

• 14:46Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 08

  Like, I really think with all skill positions, you know what I mean? The way football is evolving, like, the 22 sacks is not gonna be crazy no more.

• 14:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we'll see.

• 14:58Speaker 08

  You'll see, yeah. The 100 catches is like, normal, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's just, it's just getting different. So I was, I was like, man, that was a great catch, and I knew he was gonna be tight. So when he came over there, I was just watching his body language. So when he threw the ball, he threw it back, but he was so mad, he's still wondering, how did this dude catch the ball?

• 15:15Ryan Clark?

  He couldn't even think about getting the ball thrown at him.

• 15:18Speaker 08

  He didn't even care about that. He heard the crowd.

• 15:21Ryan Clark?

  I heard the crowd go crazy.

• 15:22Speaker 08

  And he said, man, he called it. I was like, yeah, man, he called it. It was a great catch. I said, when you see it on sports, man, he laid all the way out for it.

• 15:27Ryan Clark?

  I'm kinda gonna take it, like, all the way to a different spot now. You guys were on HeyRookie, and we got to see a moment shared between father and son, not two players. Chan was lucky enough that he was drafted to the exact same football team his father was.

• 15:44Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 15:44Ryan Clark?

  And you guys, obviously, got to do the same thing. You told JJ at that point that they wanted to get a pissed-off football player, that's what they have. And you said, this is why I keep telling you about what the work is and about how you put it in. And all he said afterwards, or his post was, you've always had his back. What was that moment like for you two, that you shared privately, but the whole world got to see what type of man you were and father?

• 16:10Speaker 08

  It was different, because like, everybody's blowing me up, like, oh, man, you, you, that was crazy motivation. I was like, man, that was just me telling my son that, like, you ain't did nothing wrong. Like, like, all the hard work we've been doing, like, even when you get to that point, you don't have control of it. You know what I mean? That's just kinda how the draft works, but like, and I, and this was me trying to protect him, and, and his agents, Andre and all them, are, are awesome. They do a great job with him. But like, I was trying to tell him, get in it.

• 16:42Speaker 08

  They don't have control over where you get picked.

• 16:46Speaker 08

  They just don't. It was a, it was a thought in our head to thought, oh, if I sign with this dude, it's guaranteed. That's not how it works. You know what I'm saying? You need one of the thirty-two teams to fall in love with you more than everybody else is how you get picked. You know what I'm saying? Something that you bring in that they want has to all happen and it has to line up to where somebody in that office is like, man, if he's there, we're taking it. And that's just really how it happened. You gotta get one of these teams to fall in love with you. And so it didn't happen. Now he's over there feeling like he didn't let somebody down and I wasn't gonna let him live in that moment because I was trying to tell him, man, you got a hundred people back at the place just for you. If you got drafted in the fifth round, sixth round, we still was gonna be here because you about to get drafted now.

• 17:29Speaker 08

  You wanted to go here and you didn't and you fell on. Now, we talk about it all over. If we would've knew that, y'all never caught that snippet. Cause we would've been like, shit, where's the house? They'd have messed up.

• 17:47Speaker 08

  We would've went back to the spot with Steelers stuff on and not even trip. He was so mad. We had flights. We was out first thing in the morning. He, I just gotta, I gotta do damage control cause he's so mad of how it happened. But had, I didn't even see the piss where I had the next pick. Cause I'm so worried about the space and the mindset that he was in of trying to make sure that he's good. But like, man, if we would've been just not tripping, seeing the Steelers was next, I would've had enough common sense to say, man, they messed up, man. We about to go home.

• 18:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 08

  Shit, they done tripped out. They done left us at the house. Cause when that happened, man, we forgot about the whole other day.

• 18:27Ryan Clark?

  How did that moment feel for you though, man? You sit there and all the focus was on Will Levis, but I'm obviously paying attention to y'all cause y'all family. How was that moment for you? What was that night like?

• 18:39Speaker 07

  Man, it was a lot of mixed emotions, you know? Once I get to that area where it's like that sweet spot where I know I'm getting, might get picked. And then we get past that and then it's like, I'm looking around, me and Gonzalez is like, see who gonna get the call first. We're looking at each other. He end up getting the call. And now at this point, I'm just like, man, I'll go anywhere. Like, I'm just trying to get picked up. I wanna walk across that stage. That's something I've been dreaming about a long time. So, once that, once that was taken away. I kind of felt disappointed in myself and everybody that came to to see me like go across that state. I had all my family from California, from Oklahoma, everybody came to see me. They all in Kansas City and they didn't see me get drafted. So like, there was a lot going on, but I was lucky to have him on my side to have have that message.

• 19:24Speaker 07

  Like, I forgot the cameras were rolling at the point. I forgot I was mic'd up because it was just such a real moment for us. And he told me what I needed to hear.

• 19:31Fred Taylor?

  To add to that moment, we've seen where a lot of guys tend to, if they fall back from where they initially expected to go, they get like pissed off and they get this mindset that they want to go out there and just attack every team that that looked over them.

• 19:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:46Fred Taylor?

  After practice, I asked him, what what message did you give him to carry into training camp? Because this is where it starts. If he's going to be an all pro, it starts here. And he said, you told him, approach practice with a chip on your shoulder. I had to block you several times. And I know what type of player you was. You came every play with a chip on your shoulder. How deep does that message run?

• 20:07Speaker 08

  We all play, all of us. Now, JJ's coming to where we've already been. And I played against you, played with you, and played with you. I'm wired that way. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm already angry at practice. I don't even need no reason. It's, I'm I'm angry because it's hot out here today. And and I'm looking for somebody to go get me through practice, right? So I can I can I can motivate myself off of anything. That chip, I can just.

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• 21:05Speaker 08

  I can make it up to be like, oh, what'd he say? Oh, Crowder, that's our duck today. We about to tear his ass up all day at practice today. We gonna make sure Cobb don't do nothing today at practice. Period. If he come to your side or my side, man, push his ass down. Don't let him do nothing. And that would be our tax for the whole day. It's still, football is fun, right? You know what I'm saying? You always trying to find a way to have fun. It's them dog days when camp is whooping you, where you gotta look for somebody who gonna bring you out. And these crazy fools gave me a red line. And that's what I did, flat line. He talk about that job all the time. They gave me a red line trying to get through practice one day. And that was my first time getting introduced to IV, man.

• 21:50Speaker 08

  I was laid out.

• 21:53Speaker 08

  You cramped up? I almost kicked up.

• 21:56Channing Crowder?

  Bro, don't, don't, listen. Don't let Peasey act like he was the calm one. Cause he literally would pick somebody out. There was a, we, he ended that boy's career, that tight end. And then Peasey was like, hey, y'all, he got in defensive huddle. He like, hey, he ain't getting out of practice. We like, what, Peasey? He said, old boy over there, little undrafted, something, but a big old stop.

• 22:16Speaker 08

  Now, he was a juggernaut, but he, he, he had given something to one of the guys. And he was over fired up like he just did something.

• 22:21Channing Crowder?

  He was in the huddle screaming. And Peasey said, he ain't making out of practice. And Peasey comes in, this is the most dangerous man in NFL, Peasey. So, we gonna listen to whatever Peasey says. He ain't making out of practice. Let's go. We bust a look, everybody over there like pit bulls going after. I think, what, we knocked him out that day and dislocated his shoulder at the same time.

• 22:44Speaker 08

  It wasn't because he wasn't trying to go hard. You know, you always had a guy that do something good. Now, he's really, cause you got invested, we got vets that wanna take it easy. They just wanna get through practice. I actually was a vet that didn't mind practicing. But when I'm tired, I want my day. Miami didn't give days off. That caught me off guard. You know, Pittsburgh, after seven years, seven, six, seven years, you'll get a hat day. Miami wasn't giving no hat days. You gotta come to work every day. So, I was like, dang it. I can't say nothing, cause tractor trailer's sitting over there in year fifteen and he ain't getting a day. I'm like, dang, he ain't gonna give a truck a day? Like, Truck, you don't get one practice off?

• 23:27Speaker 08

  I'm like, oh, man, then they telling me I can't sit on my helmet.

• 23:31Speaker 07

  We sat on helmets here.

• 23:32Speaker 08

  You want me to stand up the whole time on my off time? Like, I'm not even up on period. I said, man, my knees is bad. I can't be sitting on these all day. You know what I'm saying? I already had six scopes, like, these ain't what I need to be sitting on. I'm gonna sit on my helmet. And we know how we do. We sit on our helmet. We watch the offense do their period. So then they started making up stuff for me. Like, keeping busy. So on my break, Pascaloni got me over there doing drills. I was like, oh, man, they are tripping. You don't even get a break. Peasy got hot.

• 24:06Ryan Clark?

  When you hear these stories, man, about your pops, like, there's the, when you get drafted, there's the picture of you enjoying the Super Bowl. Pictures of you being in locker rooms. But when you hear these stories about your dad, how does, how do those stories compare to the pops you know that raised you? What was he like at high school football games?

• 24:26Speaker 07

  He kind of was chill. He was, he was a little bit. Once he realized that I kind of stamped myself as that guy, he, he really, like, he stayed in the stance and everything. He wouldn't say too much. But when I first started freshman football and sophomore, if I do something bad, he, he'll come down there, come by the fence, call me over, tell me something, or he might scream something down there. But throughout the years, my junior and everything like that, he really toned down and let me do my own thing.

• 24:51Speaker 08

  I remember, that's a little Peasy to me. Like, all this, you getting drafted. This little, still a little Peasy. I'm smiling on the king, you know what I'm saying? You, you, you and Peasy up there. What is it like being his son? And like I'm saying, I remember the big picture he had in the house down in Florida, that most dangerous man in that fair with the shoulder pads. And he's sitting there flexed up. He love rubbing oil on this stuff.

• 25:10Ryan Clark?

  Bucu Vaseline.

• 25:11Speaker 08

  Bucu Vaseline. Peasy should have had a Vaseline.

• 25:16Ryan Clark?

  What I got here ain't even shining.

• 25:21Speaker 08

  It's that cold weather.

• 25:22Channing Crowder?

  But now being Peasy's son, and now you a grown man, but coming up as Peasy, the most dangerous man, being his son, like, when you walk in, it's already a thought of what you should be or what you should act like. But you really, to be honest, you not light pops.

• 25:38Speaker 07

  Nah, not at all. Well, on the field, sort of, but like, overall, nah, but uh, always, growing up, I looked up to him. Like, he was my Superman. Like, everything he did, I wanted to do. I was, I used to put on his shoulder pads, his helmet at home, run around, when I was five years old. And he always told me at a young age, "Don't do it because I'm doing it, do it because you love it." And he let me find my own love with the game and everything like that, and it wasn't easy, it wasn't fast when I loved it, cuz, shoot, I remember the first day of pads, he made me quit, cuz I was, I was too soft, you know, so.

• 26:09Speaker 08

  Western Warriors, man, was out there. Will Allen's son was out there. We had this little dude.

• 26:14Speaker 07

  Sammy the Bull.

• 26:14Speaker 08

  Sammy the Bull. And I already knew it was a bad move.

• 26:18Speaker 07

  I didn't even have a mouthpiece.

• 26:19Speaker 08

  It was a lineman versus a little bitty skilled position guy, and they was on they back, fastest one up, and I was like, this is first day, he don't even know what's about to happen. But I'd say, "Hey, man, when you get up, you gotta run full speed, cuz they put this big dude on there, go try and hit you." Man, Sammy the Bull hit him so hard, he was over there crying, and I was looking at the other coaches getting uh, like, "Yeah, look at him, he's over there crying." I was like, "Man, grab your stuff, man, let's go." Like, now I'm mad, but I can't do nothing. It's a kid-on-kid violence, you know what I'm saying? Mine, mine didn't win, and I'm hot because the high fives that they giving, you know how to go. When our kids play, they think they whipped us cuz he ran over JJ.

• 27:02Speaker 08

  Like, don't get that in your mind, like, he don't even know what he's doing yet, you know what I'm saying? So, I was so mad, cuz he crying. I'm like, "Grab your stuff, man, we not coming back." So, when I go to practice, I come home, he sitting up there with his pads, "Man, where you think you going? Down going to practice?" "No, you not. Not all that crying you did yesterday." "You not about to take me back up there?" I walk back in the house. He stayed outside. So, now I'm letting him sweat over. Chrissy's like, "Baby, you not gonna let him take you to practice?" "Yeah, I'm gonna take him, but I gotta see if he's, how long you gonna sit out there?" You know what I'm saying? He sit out there for a minute, then we drove to practice.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  I snapped that day.

• 27:36Speaker 08

  And that would be my give and take with him every time, cuz football will humble you. You know what I'm saying? We all been hit hard and been dropped. Or everything, you know what I'm saying? It happened. You play football long enough, man, that, man, he ain't winning every battle. I ain't meant nobody won every battle. They lying.

• 27:56Fred Taylor?

  Was that the pivot? That moment where you realized he wasn't gonna straddle? He wanted to go and do it himself?

• 28:02Speaker 08

  Yeah, he made up his mind that day that he was going to play. And he didn't even get to really hang with Will Allen, because Will Allen had told us about the team. So I was already gonna be mad if he didn't play. But in my house, I'm not forcing nobody to play it. You know what I'm saying? Like, because that's the worst thing you can have on your conscience. You making your kid play football, then they get hurt. You ain't gonna live with yourself on that. That gotta be a decision that you want to do. But like I told him, if you want to do it, hard work's come with it. You know what I mean? There's some stuff that we gotta do to build your body. We gotta do these workouts so I can feel comfortable with you been out here taking all this contact. It didn't work, man. He ended up loving what we did.

• 28:46Speaker 08

  And when he came here, like when he was little, he didn't understand it when we won the Super Bowl. But when we left and went to Miami and actually got to get thrown out there, because he bypassed flag. He never played flag, went straight to tackle. And he was, you remember how paper thin he was?

• 29:05Speaker 08

  He went straight to tackle. And I'm like, man, I, you know, and I think about it now. You really should go through the flag just to work on your juke and all that. Like, before you just get thrown right in there. But what I learned about Miami was so beautiful. Man, these kids play at five-year-olds, mighty mites. The parents be so fired up, etches of them. I'm watching mama over there spatting her son. Everything about it, I fell in love. I was like, I thought we was really playing football in Cali until I got to Florida. And seeing how serious the mamas, not that even the daddies. The mamas love football so much, like.

• 29:47Channing Crowder?

  They will be mad at their son if he don't come in there and hit.

• 29:49Ryan Clark?

  That brings me to a point, which is something we all get to deal with. My son's his age. They came out of school together. Our kids don't have to grow up like we did. There were things I learned just being outside in my neighborhood that my son, my daughters, never had to experience. And I actually don't want them to experience. I'd rather that I was put in a position to give them a better life. But I watched you play. I've watched you talk. I've watched you practice. You got dog in you. And it's difficult to have a kid grow up the way our children can and make them have a chip on their shoulder or have them in a situation where they can act and work as if they gotta take care of themselves.

• 30:31Ryan Clark?

  When did you find the love for it that made you work and compete the way that you do? Because like your daddy said, he wasn't forcing you to do it? And that wasn't how, that wasn't your only way out? So how did you fall in love with the sport and get to a point to where you wanted to compete the way you do?

• 30:49Speaker 07

  Man, I'd say I fell in love with the sport pretty early. I'll say when, uh, I'll say it was my second year with the Western Warriors. It was when I really started playing football for real and they started giving me the ball. And I knew I was pretty nice. But I'll say the real transition was when we moved to Calif, back to California. And I played for the Mustang Mojo, like our little squad. And we played since we was, what, 4th grade all the way up to 6th grade?

• 31:11Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 31:11Speaker 07

  And we didn't, we only lost one game, I think. And that's when I really connected that, like, brotherhood. And I was like, okay, I really wanna play for these guys. And we created this close bond to where I still talk to them to this day. But I feel like during that time is really when I felt the love of the football game and what it could do for me. And I was like, okay, I'm not backing down from this. This is what I really wanna do.

• 31:30Channing Crowder?

  Both of y'all, like, Peasey and, I still call him Little Peasey. Yeah, I remember back in Bakersfield, California, running around in that big ass house with that pool and all that stuff. Is it a transition now with both of y'all from like, I'm a grown man now? Like, when was that transition? Was it college? Is it now? Like, cuz that man got, Peasey, that man got his own money now.

• 31:51Speaker 08

  Listen, I, and I felt it to where I knew... Our conversations was gonna be different uh after his sophomore year going into his junior year and which was warranted, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't wanna be on you for the stuff that I used to be on you for as a freshman in college because like when you come home now, you're not staying with me. He's bypassing the house, he's going right to his sister's house. You know what I'm saying? He don't wanna come over here with these rules. So now I'm telling his mom like, hey, man, we can't really be on him as tough because we ain't gonna see him. If I come with this crazy rules and sticklers, we ain't gonna see him. You know what I'm saying?

• 32:34Speaker 08

  Because he, I took his car and he went right back to school. He was already getting on the bus to go back home. His grades was doing bad. So I'm leaving that car, man, you're not taking that car. He was already had a ride. He already had a ride, ready to go back. Like, he was letting me know, all right, keep your car, I'm gone. And I was like, man, come back and get this car. You forced him to come back and get his car? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm tripping, but I'm not tripping like that. You know what I'm saying? But I can see then them moves. He's grown up. I used to box him in, he ain't letting me box him in no more. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, okay. And then like the last year now was just like, I gotta just really tell you what you about to get ready for.

• 33:17Speaker 08

  I just wanna try and help you manage distractions and everything because he want a dog in college. I'm like, hey, man, this is a responsibility. Like, you really gonna wanna have a kid in college because that's what this dog is about to be? And his dog tore up that whole apartment. Man. And he had to learn to walk. That was terrible.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Wait, man, why do y'all always want dogs? Jordan went bought a dog.

• 33:43Speaker 07

  I don't know. It's because like.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  You bored?

• 33:46Speaker 07

  You get bored, you get bored up there. I always grew up with dogs. I'm like, man, I want my own little pit bull. My last year, walk him around, have him outside the car, do whatever, I do whatever I do. So. After the first week I got him, I'm like, okay. I'm loving him, we doing all the right thing. I got him since he was a puppy. So he's doing all the number twos in the house. Everything like that, I gotta clean all that up. And then I figured out, it was bad for me when I was like, okay, I wanna go outside at night after a win. After something like that, I wanna go out, but I still got my dog. And nobody could watch him, so I gotta stay in the house. And I'm like, okay, I can't do this no more. Like, I gotta find somebody. But we, we end up finding Kathy and them.

• 34:23Speaker 08

  Yeah, we had somebody perfect that was gonna take care of the dog, but like, he thought it'd be a good idea to, they're about to leave Friday, so we gonna lock the dog in the bathroom.

• 34:35Speaker 07

  I didn't do all that, that's not how it went.

• 34:38Speaker 08

  All I did is see in the bathroom.

• 34:40Speaker 07

  That's not how it went.

• 34:41Speaker 08

  I was like, man, how long this dude been in here?

• 34:44Speaker 07

  I had dog sitters. I had dog sitters, but they wasn't really doing their job. And that's what it came down to. They wasn't really doing it for real.

• 34:52Ryan Clark?

  What, Pe- Peasy, what? Y'all remember the story, your dog was killing horses or something, brother?

• 34:57Speaker 08

  Like you said, we've been having dogs his whole life. Like, like, I, I got enough dog stories for a whole other show.

• 35:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 35:05Speaker 08

  So, I've been a dog person. Huge dog person, like, been loving dogs forever. He's never not had a dog in the house. And it's crazy because they hated taking care of dogs.

• 35:15Speaker 07

  But he wouldn't get one.

• 35:16Speaker 08

  Then he gets one. Now Jacobs asks me like that, when you gonna let me have a dog? I said, man, y'all the same people that, y'all hated when y'all had to clean up after him. Now you want that responsibility.

• 35:27Speaker 07

  It was only for certain situations where you made her do it, like, if we get in trouble.

• 35:30Ryan Clark?

  Go clean it up.

• 35:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, go, go outside and clean up all the dog shit. Like, do all that. And give him a bath. So it was like, it was certain stuff like that, I'm like, man, I don't even wanna do this for real. And that'll make me not wanna want the dog.

• 35:41Ryan Clark?

  Thing is this now, JJ, like, you're here. Uh, it's now about what you do in two, four, and black and gold. Your opportunity is now, you playing, you get opportunity, guys like Pat P., Levi Wallace, Mika Fitzpatrick, who's already putting together a Hall of Fame career here. When you look at your team and your defense, the TJ Watts, Highsmith, frickin', Cam's still here, right, offensively with Kenny and all these different guys. When you look at this team, how excited are you to go to battle with these men? Especially in the AFC North, bro, where you got Deshaun and Joe. And on the other side of that, you got Lamar in Baltimore.

• 36:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, our whole division, we got dogs. And that's what I like the most, because we ain't going against nobody that's sorry. We're going against top dudes every twice a year. So the fact that I got all these dogs on defense and offense, I'm just want to be a part of that dog, like that dog tag.

• 36:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 07

  I want to be looked at as one of those guys. And I know the type of work I gotta do to be put in that category. So I do try to come out here every day and just try to show them that I'm ready, I'm prepared. Whenever y'all call my number, I'm gonna be ready. So that's what I'm trying to do.

• 36:46Fred Taylor?

  We're sitting here with your personal blueprint, your dad, four-time Pro Bowler, two-time All-Pro, Super Bowl champ. What are some personal expectations or goals for yourself?

• 36:56Speaker 07

  I want to be one of those guys that's in the conversation as one of the best corners to ever play the game. Like, I don't play the game for the money part. Like, I grew up, my dad, my dad had it. Like, it was already said, it was never a stress for me to make a certain type of money, to be living comfortable. Just the game plan my mom and dad had for us was perfect. But I play the game for those type of reasons. I want to put on a gold jacket. I want to win three Super Bowls. I want, I want to be Defensive Rookie of the Year, All-Pro, do all that, make the Pro Bowl. All the stuff that he's done, I want to do that and to my own extent, add some more to it.

• 37:28Fred Taylor?

  Well, let me, as Uncle Freddie T. sitting here, I always holler at your dad. And he told me, you been in camp, you ain't got a massage yet. So let, let, let me tell you this. Shortcut, you gotta take care of your body. If you want to get to those things, you gotta take care of your body. It's the small things that's gonna amount and lead to the bigger things. Trust me, I, I know also where I did my share of partying. Now, I didn't take care of my body early, but when I figured it out, my career ascended. You know, and I was able to finish strong like I had expected when I came in the league. So it's the massages, the Cairo. The, the, if it's the video games, I gotta sit them down.

• 38:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:07Fred Taylor?

  If it's the late night on the phone with your girlfriend or whatever that situation looks like, I gotta take care of myself and everything else becomes secondary. So you gotta start there.

• 38:16Ryan Clark?

  Well, PZ wanted Miami to draft him. PZ said he wanted to go to Miami because he said that's a great place to focus on football.

• 38:23Channing Crowder?

  It is not a great place.

• 38:26Ryan Clark?

  That, that where you wanted to go, RJ? Y'all wanted to go, they wanted to go to Miami, huh?

• 38:30Speaker 07

  No, man. I really liked Vegas at one point, but he did not like Vegas at all.

• 38:34Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 38:34Speaker 07

  He did not like it.

• 38:35Channing Crowder?

  Who used to go, the Palm?

• 38:37Speaker 08

  Yeah, so the whole thing is like, I got to Florida at 30. And that city was just, it's, it's no quit button. And... Vegas, like these, these youngsters, man, like, they are, they so different than us because for one, they wanna video everything, everything, anything you do is gonna capture the moment. I'm so happy we didn't live in that moment. You know what I'm saying? Because we, me and you seen our fair share of a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, Fred.

• 39:10Fred Taylor?

  He talking about Vegas. I go to his house for five minutes and lose $60,000. I don't know how the fuck that happened. And we neighbors. I'm like crazy. I got this pity look on my face like, y'all get refunds of money back.

• 39:23Speaker 08

  We was living in the.

• 39:25Fred Taylor?

  Hey, JJ, JJ, you don't boo, do you?

• 39:27Speaker 08

  No, I told him, leave him.

• 39:29Speaker 07

  They trying to set us up. They was all playing.

• 39:32Speaker 08

  I told Cam, man.

• 39:33Speaker 07

  I was about to play.

• 39:34Speaker 08

  No, you're not, cuz that's, you don't even play space like that so much.

• 39:36Speaker 07

  I didn't play.

• 39:37Fred Taylor?

  He safe.

• 39:38Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 39:40Channing Crowder?

  First time anybody told me, hey, come watch my money. I said, come watch your money? Drugged me in the back of the little, sitting in the little spot, $200,000 on the table. I'm your security guard here. I'm drunk.

• 39:58Channing Crowder?

  It, it, it's funny talking about Miami and all this partying, bro, but to come here, I fell in love with Mike T when we had him on the show, bro. You know how Miami was, the difference between up here. How great is it for both of y'all? You, you just met Mike T, but you knew him as a kid too, and now you're playing for him. And just how amazing is it that your son gets a chance to play for that man like that?

• 40:19Speaker 08

  He playing for his uncle. It don't, it don't, it don't get no better than that. Like, he just spent nights over there. I'd have had Dino and Mason at the house, uh, like, what's so good about Mike T is like, once you with him, you with him.

• 40:34Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 40:34Speaker 08

  You know what I'm saying? And the man, uh, he fired you, you still got a relationship? Man, that's business. That's even my partner. Like, I don't, a job is a job. Like, me and him is like, he picking up, he gonna call me back every single time. You know what I'm saying? And I didn't play for him. Like, I didn't, I didn't even really meet him until I came back. You know what I'm saying? So, that relationship is, is authentic as it can get. And like, how.

• 41:01Speaker 00

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• 41:02Speaker 01

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• 41:32Speaker 08

  Him and JJ relationship is, it's like, he's torn, like, man, I ain't calling him JJ. I'm gonna keep it professional, I'm gonna call him Joy. I was like, well, you know, that's what you feel like you gotta do in a work setting, but I'll never call Dino Mike.

• 41:45Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 41:45Speaker 08

  He Dino. Mason is Mason. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't changing my nephew's name because of work, you know what I'm saying? But do as you feel fit for the job, you know what I'm saying?

• 41:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 08

  He's like, man, you right, but he still gonna be Joy at work. I ain't waving for that. You know how he is. When he in his moment being the head coach, he gonna be a head coach. But I know, like, he sitting with the best person to be. He's a DB coach in heart, defensive coordinator at heart, but he's a head coach. So like, the position he play, it ain't nothing he can't ask his uncle where he stand or how he doing or what he need to do to get better, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know nobody watch more of him than Mike.

• 42:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 08

  You catch him back in that honeycomb hole, that hole in the back? He's getting some work done. So if he ever feel like he don't know where he at, if he need some extra work, all he gotta do is walk down that hall, he go, he's easy to find.

• 42:36Ryan Clark?

  How do you feel about that relationship with Mike T. as it stands now? It is unk, but he's also the head coach of the most prestigious organization in football.

• 42:47Speaker 07

  Man, it's great. I mean, even when I was doing my pre-low interviews, he told me if I come here, he's gonna be on me hard. And he's like, even though we got this relationship as me being your unk and everything, once we step in that building, it's straight business. And that's how I wanted to treat it like that, too, because I wanna earn the respect of everybody in the staff. Like, I already know what he's done. They already know what he's done. But I'm trying to prove to them that I could do it, too. So just him treating me like a regular person, but also knowing how I get down, what's to motivate me, what to get me going. It's also perfect because he already know who I am. I've been around him, I've been around his family for so long, it's kinda easy.

• 43:24Ryan Clark?

  This place is different. Channing says it when he comes around. You know, when we were walking in and we didn't have like field passes and stuff. I was like, we'll be okay. Don't worry about it. I was like, we'll be fine. You know, but you've seen it with your father being able to come back. People like myself for unfortunately recently, we lost a friend and Clark Hagens and an uncle to you. But the way that everybody rallied around one another and that sort of family. What does the tradition of these colors in the family that you have here mean to you?

• 43:56Speaker 07

  It means a lot just off of seeing what how close he is with everybody that he played with still. How you guys all communicate. That's what I end up hoping that'll happen with us, how we could connect in jail. Even talking with Uncle Ike, he was telling me the same thing, how you guys are all together. Like y'all didn't leave each other's sides. Like that was a real brotherhood and that's what I'm trying to connect here as well. Just have that to keep going. So down the line, if anything happens, I could call on my brother and he'll be there.

• 44:21Ryan Clark?

  By the way, your father was awful to me when I first got here. Like I'm just, I'm just gonna be honest, bro. They treated me bad, man.

• 44:29Speaker 08

  The Peasy town that you have, that long one, Uncle Ryan got us that.

• 44:33Speaker 07

  For real?

• 44:33Speaker 08

  With the 55 one, he just can't watch. And I'll tell you why I was salty. Cause me and C-Hope was thick as thieves. That was my guy. I was the same way when I got posse, when I lost Earl Holmes. I, I, early on, I didn't know how to handle the business and it's football like they come and go. But when you lose a brother that you think you ain't gonna see no more, I'm like, man. So now I'm not gonna see Earl no more.

• 44:57Speaker 08

  That's what I'm thinking.

• 44:59Speaker 08

  I think I ain't gonna see him no more. Cause posse, I ain't gonna see love no more. I gotta wait all the way to the capitol aisle just to see Earl.

• 45:08Ryan Clark?

  Teetow.

• 45:08Speaker 08

  I was mad about that. Then I'm like, man, I ain't gonna see C-Hope no more. Ryan took his spot. He in Tennessee like. Hopefully I see him at a camp or something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And Ryan was, man, he was, he was this as good as he is now, close. Like, he came in bearing grifts and arms out. I'm the old wily veteran that's salty for no reason. And it's crazy, like. JJ, I'm like, dang, what I gotta do? Then RC wouldn't really hang with us at first when he first got here. But like every first year, first, I gotta pick up everything, right? I can't just be out with y'all like that. I gotta, I gotta get my stuff together. I would get mad at that. Oh, he don't wanna hang out with us. Then in the morning, he wanna recap of what we did. Like, no, man, we can't talk about it.

• 45:52Speaker 08

  He ain't had no recap about RC. If you ain't come out last night, you don't get the recap.

• 45:59Speaker 08

  Cause we sit right in front of Stacy every morning. In front of Stacy, we talk about last night and Troy, don't even go out. Troy sitting right there getting all the stories, right? And I would be over there, Ryan, like, man, man, Ryan wanna sit in on the stories, man. Like, Ryan ain't even wanna come out. We knew why Baby Jesus wasn't coming out. I don't know why RC ain't coming out yet.

• 46:22Speaker 08

  But I only got that one. But then soon as I left, like even that year, we played good. We just, we just making little stuff that made that year bad. Man, I always loved RC game, man. Cause soon as that, man, he became like the, the knockout artist of Pittsburgh. Every time I turn on the tape, I'm like, good lord, he put somebody else to sleep. I'm like, he just was running to people for this back when they would have you got jacked up. Like, we prided on hurting people, right? Which I tell him now, cause that's why my mentality used to be at him. Like, my biggest thing with him was like, you don't never wanna be the guy that when you gotta make that tackle, cause we know if you gave it your best or you whiffed. And we don't play that.

• 47:08Speaker 08

  I say Pittsburgh gonna judge you different. Like, all that, I can't save you from that. If you got him there and you decide to do something different, they going that I don't lie. You know what I'm saying? And that would just been my biggest pet peeve far as football. RC had that, man. RC was. What's the biggest difference between y'all?

• 47:28Ryan Clark?

  Like, like, when you look at who your father is as a person, because you look just like him, right? Though y'all say you tall as hell, you just didn't grow into the linebacker body. And you're probably more skilled than pops too. But, you know, what's the, what's the biggest differences between y'all two personality wise?

• 47:45Speaker 08

  I mean, he more laid back, but the crazy thing about it is, his mouth, it don't stop neither. It's like, when he first started beating me in ping pong, and he knew he had me, he would hit over there to that knee that I couldn't push off of, right?

• 47:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 08

  He janky like that, so like, he would, he would never give me that victory. Like, because the same way with him, like, if I could beat you in something, I'm gonna hold the button like Madden. Like, I'm not, I'm not giving no free victories, like, ever. And he ain't giving none back. You know what I'm saying? So that is built in how it's supposed to be. Like, if he can beat me in something, he ain't giving no passes. He go try and get every victory, and then won't play you again. You know what I'm saying? So, from that competitive state nature, it's exactly how it was supposed to be, but like, they be expecting him to have this wild side, his dad's side. Now, he laid back like his mom, but on the football field, he'll be exactly who he need to be for that moment. But like,

• 48:43Speaker 08

  that's why I have to change and be older now, because like, I don't want to do nothing foolishness no more that falls back on my kids, right? Because something, I do anything weird, he got to answer for it.

• 48:56Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:57Speaker 08

  I'm not doing that. You know what I'm saying? Like, that whole Vontaze thing that happened the other day, I'm like, you tried to give the guy

• 49:06Speaker 08

  a compliment. He couldn't take it. Because if you think about it, how many people in the AFC East hate Crowder? You want all of them to, right? Don't nobody like me in Cincinnati. Don't nobody like me in Baltimore.

• 49:19Ryan Clark?

  Cleveland.

• 49:20Speaker 08

  Or Cleveland. I was telling, uh, someone on the way up, we played New England. They were so mad at me, they put me on the jumbotron. Said I had no tackles that day. Do you know how they hate you if they can go out their way to put you on the jumbotron? I wanna be the most hated at every stadium that you walk into. I mean, that's the, that mean that you been whooped enough ass to where they don't like you.

• 49:42Ryan Clark?

  About that though, you know, you said about Vontez Burfict. You were asked a question, first off. You didn't just bring his name up out of the blue. It was a question, and for you and people who know the AFC North, they got it. Right? It's almost a sign of respect.

• 49:57Speaker 08

  That's what he was giving him.

• 49:58Ryan Clark?

  You played a certain way that made me hate you as a Steeler fan.

• 50:02Speaker 08

  That was it.

• 50:03Ryan Clark?

  You know, coming in and being drafted where you are, how is it dealing now with being in the spotlight? Cause it's double for you, and as much as you could try to separate that that's your father, it is. And having that always be linked, how do you deal with that?

• 50:20Speaker 07

  I kinda got used to it. I've been dealing with him my whole life. Growing up, everybody wanted me to be like him, play like him, and all this other stuff. But we had this conversation, was like, people's always gonna compare us no matter what. And we gotta have the understanding was, I'm, I'm, I played my position, he played his. He already had his time, and he wants the best for me. And once we had that conversation, all the outside noise was really dead to me. And um, I really didn't expect it to be like this, cause obviously I seen him when he was at his peak and everything, playing the game. And the crowd was always saying his name, chasing the cars and everything. I got used to that, but now it's different when they're screaming my name.

• 50:55Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  And they want me to sign autographs, and I'm stuck down here to sign autographs for 20, 30 minutes.

• 51:00Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 51:00Speaker 07

  It's kinda crazy. I'm still not used to it, but um, like my dad always say, it's a good problem to have. I'm glad to be in, I'm blessed to be in this position, and it only could get better from here.

• 51:08Ryan Clark?

  Alright, so here's my last question for you.

• 51:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:10Ryan Clark?

  Aljamain Sterling or Sugar Sean?

• 51:13Speaker 07

  That's a tough one, but I'm a Sugar fan though.

• 51:15Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 51:16Speaker 07

  But I know what Aljamain could do.

• 51:17Speaker 08

  Who's y'all talking about?

• 51:18Speaker 07

  UFC.

• 51:20Ryan Clark?

  This is actually how we got cool.

• 51:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:23Ryan Clark?

  This is actually how we got cool.

• 51:26Speaker 07

  It's good though, but it's like, after the Peter Yon and Sugar fight, I'm like, he could hold his own.

• 51:31Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 07

  But then also like, if Peter Yon could take him down, what could Aljo do? And Aljo was nice like that, cause Aljo took Yon down and just backpacking the whole time.

• 51:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 51:40Speaker 07

  So it's like, if Sugar could stay on his feet, then I obviously got Sugar. But if he, if it takes it to the ground, then it's gonna be Aljo all day.

• 51:47Speaker 08

  I got ass. JJ, you done grabbed Pops yet?

• 51:49Speaker 07

  Nah.

• 51:49Speaker 08

  Nah, I ain't even tried. That's still in there. So we go to the dungeon, down to that basement. I still got, I keep that in the cuff just because him and Jacob is getting big.

• 52:02Ryan Clark?

  Jacob big, bro.

• 52:03Speaker 08

  And my wife always be talking, I'm gonna get my boys on, I be like, go get them. You know what I'm saying? Cause like, when we go to that. He got his fist ball. When we go down there, I don't have the lift for a while, but they know how to bring it out of me. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I hurt myself going against these dudes just to show that he looked bad. But, you know what I'm saying? I don't wanna waste my last fight on my boys, that's for somebody else. We got a great.

• 52:30Ryan Clark?

  Well, man, JJ, honestly, man, you've had, you've been brought up the right way, though. I think the one thing I'm always so proud of, of my friends and my teammates, is that there's a stereotype or narrative that we aren't in the home sometimes, and that we don't care, and that we don't pour into our children. And your father, man, from the time I've met him, has always been about that. And you are an example of that. Type of man you are, the type of player you are, the way that you represent yourself and your name. And so, from a family member, bro, we're so happy for you, I'm so proud of you. I just can't wait to see what y'all boys do, man, and like, just keep it running. Got you, man, appreciate y'all for having me. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

• 53:15Speaker 08

  Hey, he consistent.

• 53:17Ryan Clark?

  No. So how he was with teammate B. He been like that.

• 53:20Speaker 08

  He's been like that, bro.

• 53:22Ryan Clark?

  Been like that, dawg.

• 53:27Ryan Clark?

  Been tall than him for like two years. But I remember when I first started hearing about you doing the recruiting.

• 53:33Ryan Clark?

  It's like, if he's gonna get bigger, cause your pops is so big. You did a good job, man, staying lean, though, dawg. Cause you know, Smell That Piss, stay, I know they had you lifting. They did. I did two 25 for 17. You did 17? Yeah. On draft night, did you want to cry?

• 53:47Speaker 08

  Oh, me? Yeah, man, cause I was excited, like, we was back at the crib. You know what I'm saying? So we was all, I just seen, I just seen CC down before we left. So I'm just already going, I'm like, man, we about to go, he gonna get picked, we about to go, I'm about to lose my mind off this Casamigos, I ain't gonna know what's gonna happen tomorrow, cause I ain't gotta drive, cause wifey drive. I got everybody I need to be there, so I could really go, I could have a blackout. And I was about to have a blackout. And then now, when he went there, now. I'm drinking just to go back to the room.

• 54:26Ryan Clark?

  The whole, it changed the whole drinking.

• 54:28Speaker 08

  But he was so mad, he had his agent booked flights. We was up at eight o'clock in the morning, already at the airport. He had the first class, we had our flights on this flight, so he didn't left us on this, but we landed at Pittsburgh at the same time. And the whole ride on, he still ain't talking. I'm like, man, you overthinking this stuff, because at the end of the day, man, you still about to get drafted. Like, you gonna be a second round pick. And if that's gonna hurt your feelings that bad, man, I don't know what else to tell you, man, because that's just how this stuff goes sometimes.

• 55:02Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'm saying like. Texts from nobody, though, that say, hey, man, we got y'all with the first pick.

• 55:07Speaker 08

  I said, man, I got thirty moles in this building, and not one of them said.

• 55:14Speaker 08

  You know, fell into our lap. You could have gave me a, I would have been like, niggas, we at the house. All this shit, we at the house.

• 55:24Ryan Clark?

  And you'd have been partying that night, huh?

• 55:26Speaker 08

  I would have went and bought some stiller hats and slapped them on, and we would have ran around the place, like, man, we at the house.

• 55:32Ryan Clark?

  And Adam Schefter would have been like, word has it, we heard, word has it, the Porter family is wearing stiller hats at a party right now.

• 55:42Speaker 08

  If I did, I would have been at that blackout drunk, walking around with the stiller hats slaying to the side, he couldn't have told me nothing. So that was good that they didn't tell us, because we would have ruined it.

• 55:51Fred Taylor?

  You know how the fans run up on you, right? How many times have they told you thank you, not for what you did as a player, but for Junior?

• 55:59Speaker 08

  A lot. That's the new thing. So I laugh now that, like, my reason of being back is because you here. Like, I don't work here, I don't do nothing that, but like, I'm coming back for your practices.

• 56:11Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 56:11Speaker 08

  You know what I'm saying? Like, I said, uh. You bringing your family out for Family Day. I used to walk you out for Family Day. Now you bringing us for Family Day. Where you going? I'm going to practice, man. They got Family Day. You know what I'm saying? That, that part is crazy. You know what I'm saying? RC, remember goal line, Family Day? Yeah. We bring the kids. Now he bringing me back for Family Day. Yeah, you family.

• 56:31Channing Crowder?

  That's hard to say.

• 56:32Speaker 08

  You daddy now. Yeah, cuz we's half Family Day. Be right up there in the gym. Barbecue and all the stuff. We have a nice goal line practice. Then we get a late curfew. Cuz it's Family Day. Go hang out with your family. No meetings? No meetings. Now he bringing me for Family Day. Hey, come on, Pop. Hey, look, get, get to the door. Oh, he cool. That's my dad.

• 56:55Speaker 08

  Hey, no, no. He good. Let him through. Yeah, that's Joey. That's Joey Porter Senior. That's Joey Porter Senior. Let him through.

• 57:05Speaker 08

  The whole tailgate. Cuz like I told you, I'm, man, I'm big on having fun with the tailgates. Pittsburgh State, the corner old games and all that. And my brother live here. His whole family, like, cuz with the business we have, like, a lot of my family moved to Pittsburgh. And then we had like six or seven of them that all went to NA high school cuz they live here and they go all, we not gonna play against each other. We go all go to the same school. So now, man, our little parking lot bout to be thick. That's dope. Seriously, like, we bout to have ten parking spots in 1A.

• 57:40Speaker 08

  Every home game.

• 57:41Channing Crowder?

  That's cool.

• 57:42Speaker 08

  Y'all in town. Day Porter. We gotta come with one. We gotta get one. Get something to eat. Like, that's all I can tell you. Well, hopefully he don't treat me like he treated me in 06. No, man. 06, I couldn't eat shit. He knew I was salty, man.

• 57:54Channing Crowder?

  You'll get your ass whooped in 1A then. And all the Porters down there.

• 57:57Speaker 08

  Oh, come on, man. I'm crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, RC, no, he good, man.

• 58:02Channing Crowder?

  Jacksonville come up this year. Try to make the game.

• 58:04Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:40Speaker 12

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