Stop Giving Your Best To Everyone Else ft. Thomas Rhett

Thomas Rhett has spent more than a decade at the top of country music, but this conversation goes far beyond music. We talk about fatherhood, marriage, faith, success, and the lessons he's learning in this season of life. Thomas opens up about raising five kids, protecting family time in the middle of a demanding career, and why some of the most important decisions he's made have been the opportunities he chose to turn down. This is a conversation about priorities, perspective, and making sure the people you love most get the best version of you. Leave me a voicemail to be featured on the show! https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/ask-jefferson Join me on Supercast for ad-free episodes, bonus content, and AMAs: https://jefferson.supercast.com/ Order The Next Conversation Workbook: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/workbook Thank you to our sponsors: Cozy Earth. Upgrade Your Every Day. Get 20% off at cozyearth.com/jefferson or use code JEFFERSON at check out. Upwork. Visit https://Upwork.com right now to post your job for free and connect with expert freelancers who can help you grow faster without adding full-time overhead. LMNT. Head to https://drinkLMNT.com/jefferson to try risk free. BetterHelp. Click https://betterhelp.com/jeffersonfisher for a discount on your first month of therapy. Order my book, The Next Conversation, or listen to the full audiobook today. Like what you hear? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a 5-star review! Suggest a topic or ask a question for me to answer on the show! Want a FREE communication tip each week? Click here to join my newsletter. Join My School of Communication Watch my podcast on YouTube Follow me on Instagram Follow me on TikTok Follow me on LinkedIn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  I want to be known and loved the most by the people that love and know me the most.

• 0:33Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 0:34Jefferson Fisher?

  That's so good.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  And it's like you're your best self in front of complete strangers.

• 0:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  But you're your worst version of yourself in front of the people that admire and respect you the most.

• 0:41Jefferson Fisher?

  Or my family getting the best version of me. And that's like...

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Buddy. That is the whole... The world loves to talk about work-life balance.

• 0:50Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 0:50Speaker 01

  I don't believe in it.

• 0:51Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 0:52Jefferson Fisher?

  What do you believe?

• 0:54Speaker 01

  I believe that you have to sort of be 100% committed where your feet are.

• 1:00Jefferson Fisher?

  Now, I have to say, congratulations.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:03Jefferson Fisher?

  For what? Your son.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  My son.

• 1:04Jefferson Fisher?

  That's right, the biggest thing that could be going on right now. Like the number one thing that could be going on right now.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09Jefferson Fisher?

  So how is it being... Have a son?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Dude, it's incredible. I mean, you know, when... I feel like when babies are under six months, it's hard to fully tell personality or anything. But he's like, he's eight weeks, and he's like one of those babies. He was huge, he was 10 pounds when he came out. And now he's like 13 pounds. And so he's like, he's already doing things that a five-month-old should be doing at eight weeks, which is wild. Like he's smiling, he's like eye contacting. Like I feel like his little personality is coming out. And I don't remember my other kids having that much personality at eight weeks old.

• 1:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  He's already in like six to nine-month clothing.

• 1:46Jefferson Fisher?

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. I think he's gonna be a linebacker.

• 1:49Jefferson Fisher?

  For sure.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  He did not get that from me. I don't really know what gene that came from.

• 1:52Jefferson Fisher?

  It came from somebody.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was a nice like slot receiver. You know what I mean? 145 pounds, he's probably gonna be huge. But um, it's been amazing, bro. I'll be honest with you, for the first 10 years of being a parent, I just sort of accepted the fact that we weren't gonna have a boy. And I was good with it. Like I always wanted a boy, but the more girls we started having, I was like, I can, I can do this, this girl thing.

• 2:12Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, you have four.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Four daughters.

• 2:13Jefferson Fisher?

  That's right.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And uh, man, I just um... I don't know. I just never thought it was in the cards and uh this, you know, obviously last year the Lord kinda opened up some wild doors for us and we got pregnant and I think Lauren has it, my wife Lauren has it in her phone of like 20 different people that called her before we got pregnant and during our pregnancy that said, hey, even people she hadn't talked to in a long time. They're like, hey, I just had this crazy dream that you're pregnant with a boy.

• 2:41Jefferson Fisher?

  That's awesome.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Like 20 recorded dreams, like our kids had some, our friends had some. And so we all, we didn't find out until the day of the birth, which we've never done that on any of the other kids. And for all of you listening, I highly recommend it.

• 2:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Really?

• 2:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, because there's no surprises in this world.

• 2:54Jefferson Fisher?

  That's like the most ultimate surprise.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  It's the ultimate surprise. Um, and so watching little boy come out was um, was one of the coolest moments of my life.

• 3:02Jefferson Fisher?

  That's awesome, man.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  But it's awesome.

• 3:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Super, super happy for y'all. That's fantastic. So my, my son uh is eight.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 3:09Jefferson Fisher?

  And I know is now your son, how many months now?

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Uh, two months.

• 3:13Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. Okay. So I like he's, he's already the perfect age. So like talking to him about like the weather.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Stuff of like, first thing you gotta know is a dad's like, you gotta have the radar, like immediately, like my dad can just whip out the radar at any moment.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 3:28Jefferson Fisher?

  I'm just like, this is a cell that's coming in. It's only gonna last a few minutes.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:32Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. Like you have to know weather. You have to know a few things about life.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Sports, how to change a wool.

• 3:38Jefferson Fisher?

  That's true.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:38Jefferson Fisher?

  And my, my dad didn't, my dad was like, this is how they handle stuff in the courtroom.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 3:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. That was, that was his way of an oil change.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what was it? Can I ask you, am I allowed to ask you a question?

• 3:49Jefferson Fisher?

  You can.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  I don't do podcasts a lot.

• 3:50Jefferson Fisher?

  I don't know if you know this, but we're just chilling.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 3:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  So like when you grow up with a dad that's a lawyer.

• 3:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Did you ever win any argument? Like growing up, like if he ever like laid a law down or like a rule, where you, did you ever try to like combat that rule? And did he come at you? Like law your dad or just dad?

• 4:08Jefferson Fisher?

  Just dad.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Okay, that's great.

• 4:09Jefferson Fisher?

  Just dad.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  So he was able to disconnect the two?

• 4:12Jefferson Fisher?

  No, they're one. They're like, they're like, so I'm, I'm a fifth generation attorney. So.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 4:18Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, just everybody throughout my family.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 4:21Jefferson Fisher?

  Through DAs, federal judges, you name it. And so you didn't, you didn't win on the argument. You just got.

• 4:29Jefferson Fisher?

  Taught a lesson.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  You had a plea deal.

• 4:31Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You had a plea deal. That's a good point.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Great.

• 4:34Jefferson Fisher?

  And so he would teach me, not in terms of this is what you do. He used what they call the Socratic method, which in law school is you ask questions to teach the lesson.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 4:45Jefferson Fisher?

  And so.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Like Jesus.

• 4:46Jefferson Fisher?

  Exactly. So it was almost very parable-esque.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 4:49Jefferson Fisher?

  Where he would, instead of me getting upset and what you would hope a dad would do or mom would, you know, get mad with you.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 4:57Jefferson Fisher?

  Or get mad at you.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:59Jefferson Fisher?

  He didn't really show anger.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:00Jefferson Fisher?

  He showed disappointment, of course.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Which makes you even more mad.

• 5:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Which was terrifying.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 5:05Jefferson Fisher?

  You know, it was just like, oh my God.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:06Jefferson Fisher?

  Pit in my stomach. But he used a lot of questions. And so he would always,

• 5:12Jefferson Fisher?

  his thing was he would teach me the other side of the argument. So if I was mad at my mom about something.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:17Jefferson Fisher?

  And I would want to come to him, I'm not going to find any comfort there. He's going to say, well, what do you think she's thinking in that moment? Now, as your mom, what do you think she's, what do you think she's afraid of right now? Like, he would always flip it to the question.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:32Jefferson Fisher?

  It didn't feel good as a kid.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 5:33Jefferson Fisher?

  Cause I'm like, come on, like, oh, you don't.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  But now as a grown man, what a toolbox you have.

• 5:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, my gosh, yeah.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:38Jefferson Fisher?

  Now it's, I'm trying that with my son.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  How's that going?

• 5:41Jefferson Fisher?

  He's equally as frustrated about it. He doesn't, he doesn't really enjoy it. Now, like with yours, you know, your dad's songwriter, singer songwriter. And did you feel like that was just part of your natural calling? You saw it, you grew up with it. Like, I feel like your life is just a toy box of 90s country. Like, that's just like, that's what you grew up in.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Definitely. I mean, my dad, I was born in Valdosta, Georgia, a really small town, South Georgia. We had more than a Chili's, I will say that. We had a little bit more than Chili's.

• 6:11Jefferson Fisher?

  So a metropolis, basically.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then when I was one, we moved to San Antonio.

• 6:16Jefferson Fisher?

  Thank you.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  And that was when my dad, my mom and dad went to UGA, University of Georgia. My dad played football there for a year and then they had me at 19. And we moved to Texas. My dad did, you remember Fiesta, Texas?

• 6:30Jefferson Fisher?

  Do I remember Fiesta, Texas?

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't live there long enough to know if like everybody was like, we know Fiesta, Texas.

• 6:35Jefferson Fisher?

  Okay, so we stayed, my, my dad had, attorneys have to have continuing legal education credit every year. And so, uh, which means it could be at a hotel or something.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:46Jefferson Fisher?

  Well, we didn't have enough money to like go on vacation. So what we did was if you went on the ceiling, brought your family, then it got paid for by whatever the firm.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 6:54Jefferson Fisher?

  And so we would stay at the Hill Country Hyatt, which was right next to Fiesta, Texas. And that was my vacation, only vacation for a good solid 11 years. Like that was it. And it was fantastic.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  I bet. I bet. I was too young to remember it, but what I'm, but I've seen pictures and my dad basically got hired by some talent agency to basically go uh, and do like George Strait covers at Fiesta, Texas. And so he did that. And I guess like someone was there that sort of thought he had talent. And so moved to Nashville when I was four. He signed a record deal with this company called DECA and they're, they're not, they're not around anymore. But um, so I moved to Nashville at four and so I grew up in a little town called Hendersonville, Tennessee, which is like, it used to be 20 minutes north of here. Now it's like an hour north of here.

• 7:37Jefferson Fisher?

  The traffic.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Traffic. Um, and so I grew up, you know, with a dad that in, during his like, um, artist career, you know, he would tour 200, 250 days a year. I mean, just always gone. And so, um, I would always ask my dad, like, can I go on the road? Can I go on the road? Can I go on the road? And I, I'd been singing since I was like four. I mean, I could, I was like a, a walking jukebox encyclopedia. I knew every song, uh, on, on, on country radio. And, uh, my first instrument actually was the drums. I loved to play the drums. And so I loved getting on the bus with my dad to go play whatever, you know, fair or festival he was going to play. And I would, I was, I would get up and play Sweet Home Alabama or Last Dance, Mary Jane's Last Dance on the drums.

• 8:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Okay, okay.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Um, and I just remember being like, this is awesome, you know? And, uh, and so that kind of morphed into like, I had a couple of little bands, you know, in fifth grade, sixth grade. We were like a punk rock band, yeah.

• 8:32Jefferson Fisher?

  None of these.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  And, uh, my dad's, uh, brother was always a production engineer slash like front of house guy. And so he recorded, uh, my very first album.

• 8:40Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  In my dad's living room, we recorded five songs, uh, played one show.

• 8:45Jefferson Fisher?

  Nice.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  That 10 people attended and, uh, I knew that I always sort of had that bug. I, I loved to, to just entertain people. Like my sister and I would always. You know, make up like little skits and my dad would film and we'd write scripts out and stuff.

• 8:59Jefferson Fisher?

  You have you and your sister?

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 9:01Jefferson Fisher?

  You have, how many siblings do you have?

• 9:02Speaker 01

  So I've got a wide range. So my, my sister is four years younger than me.

• 9:05Jefferson Fisher?

  Okay.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Uh, my parents divorced when I was nine.

• 9:07Jefferson Fisher?

  Okay.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Both got remarried. Um, so my mom and my stepdad have a brother of mine. He's 21 years old, just turned 21. And my dad and my stepmother have a six-year-old son. So I, so I have.

• 9:18Jefferson Fisher?

  That's quite a range.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but anyway, you know, going through high school and stuff, I always played the talent shows. I was always like the lead in the, the Christmas play or whatever I did at school. And so I always loved to be on stage and I just love to make people smile and make people laugh and, and dance. And so, uh, but when I got to college, um, I never really thought I could make a career of it. And so I went to Lipscomb University here in Nashville.

• 9:42Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Uh, was headed towards a communications degree.

• 9:46Jefferson Fisher?

  Hey.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Um, but for me, it was the fastest route out. It was the easiest to major.

• 9:52Jefferson Fisher?

  I did marketing just in business school for the same reason. I'm like, just get me out of here.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, get me out. Um, and then my sophomore year, uh, my dad had completely kind of quit his artistry career and just pursued full-time songwriting. And so, him and a group of guys were having a lot of success, um, in like the early 2000s, sort of like when bro country sort of entered the world, like Luke Bryan's and the Jason Aldeans and.

• 10:14Jefferson Fisher?

  My speakers go boom boom.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  The speakers go boom boom. Yeah. Um, and so like they, they were called the Peach Bickers. That was their little writing group.

• 10:21Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, nice.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Not little, they're big writing group.

• 10:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  And, uh, literally dude, I mean, you couldn't turn on the radio for more than 20 minutes without hearing touristy songs that they had written for, for artists. It was nuts. And so, um, I, I was like in some cover bands in college and then one day I just asked my dad, I was like, can I come sit in on these writing sessions? I just wanna, I just don't understand it really. Like I just wanna watch how y'all do this. And it really is just like this.

• 10:43Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Hanging out, somebody starts playing a little chord on the guitar and you're like, hey, I had this idea that I wrote down on my phone yesterday. And I'm just like, whoa, so this is how it works. And, um, offered up some of my, you know, terrible lyrics into the room and, um, fast forward a couple of months, I played a gig downtown with my dad and, uh, there was a guy there that offered me a developmental publishing deal.

• 11:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Nice.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Cause he thought I had some talent and, um, From then on dude, I started writing with a bunch of other people who were just getting going and got my first cut ever with Jason Aldean. It was like 2011.

• 11:13Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  On his My Kind of Party album, if you remember that record.

• 11:15Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  And, uh, and then I started to get a bunch of cuts as a songwriter and then one thing led to another. I started playing for record labels, got offered a few deals and signed my first record deal at 21. Um, and here I am 16, 16 years later.

• 11:30Jefferson Fisher?

  One of like the first ones.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  That's my first number one song.

• 11:32Jefferson Fisher?

  Okay, that's right. And you've had 20 number ones.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  25.

• 11:35Jefferson Fisher?

  25? Nuts. It doesn't feel real. Did you ever think that was gonna happen?

• 11:38Speaker 01

  No, absolutely not. If you ask my wife, my wife was banking on it not working.

• 11:42Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  She was like, "Tuh, this is cute."

• 11:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Yeah, go, go try your little record deal thing.

• 11:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Dude, okay, I love that because the first video I ever made, and you don't know, I'd make videos in my car.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, my wife said, "Go be my little influencer." That was like her first thing. And so like, I feel like.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  You gotta love that support, you know?

• 12:00Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, you really, she really, yeah, it's like, "Ugh." So there you go. She goes, "Go, go, go do your little artistry stuff."

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we did, we did, um, the premarital counseling, counseling deal and we got married at 22 years old and, uh, our marriage counselor, my wife graduated from University of Tennessee, uh, with a nursing degree.

• 12:18Jefferson Fisher?

  We all high school sweethearts?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Sort of. We've known each other since first grade and we, we dated in high school a little bit and then we broke up and then didn't, didn't get back together until a little bit later.

• 12:28Jefferson Fisher?

  We were high school sweethearts.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 12:30Jefferson Fisher?

  But it sounds like you like wander back and you're like, "It's always been you."

• 12:34Speaker 01

  It was always her.

• 12:35Jefferson Fisher?

  Is that what you?

• 12:35Speaker 01

  It was always her. It really was. Um, but yeah, so we got married at 22 and our marriage counselor advised Lauren to not pursue her, uh, her nursing thing for just one year. She was like, "I think y'all just really need to be together." Cause the first year of your touring is an absolute nightmare.

• 12:50Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, I can imagine.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  I mean, I think we played 280 shows that year or something. So my wife rode, uh, the bus with me and my seven other band dudes for an entire year. And after that year was over, she was like, "I have put my time in. I'm done with the road." Um, but yeah, so I put two singles out before It Goes Like This that did okay. Um, but It Goes Like This was my first number one and then, uh, man, wildly, like I'm thinking about it now, I think we only had one miss. Right? There, there's only one single I put out to radio. Is that right?

• 13:21Jefferson Fisher?

  What in?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  During, in my whole career. I didn't want to get a lot.

• 13:26Jefferson Fisher?

  Correct.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  So get it.

• 13:27Jefferson Fisher?

  Well, besides the first two. Yeah, there was one that I put out in the middle of my career that didn't go number one, but it like it streamed and sold like it was a number one. That's unreal. I remember calling radio stations. Yeah. Like, hey, can you play? Why aren't you playing this? Yeah. Oh. What's the deal? What's wrong with it? They were just like, it's just a little like not, doesn't fit the box. And I was like, all right, that's fair, you know? Agree to disagree. Agree to disagree. Um, but that was a lot of the songs in my career, man. I, um, on my second record, dude, I put this song out called Crash and Burn that was just super, just not what country radio was playing at all. And when that song went number one, and a song called Make Me Wanna, it sort of carved this like weird, unique lane for me where

• 14:09Jefferson Fisher?

  the songs were sort of so off kilter, but I think people recognized my voice. And so I've kind of made a living off of kind of always playing a little bit outside the lane of what quote unquote, you know, country radio is. You've definitely, you've definitely found your own. Found the lane. Yeah. Before we keep going, I want to take a moment to tell you about Cozy Earth. One of the reasons I absolutely love Cozy Earth is because everything they make, truly, the name holds up, is cozy. And I don't know about you, but I love to wear around the house loungewear. I also, you might see me at the grocery store in some loungewear. I just, I like it. If I don't have to dress up, that's what I'm going to. Well, Cozy Earth, their stuff is top notch. It's only, it's not only made well, but it also feels really good.

• 14:53Jefferson Fisher?

  And it's something that I can throw on and know if I'm going to go outside, do something with the kids, it's easy. And you know what helps when you're a busy dad and busy life or busy parent is easy. So you can go to cozyearth.com/jefferson, use the code Jefferson for up to 20% off. These are their pants. I absolutely love them. cozyearth.com/jefferson, use the code Jefferson for up to 20% off. And now let's keep going. I'm going to ask you a question that this is a selfish question. Okay. So in a different life, I would have been a songwriter. Great. You still can be. It's true. We're not done. And I can be a lawyer. There we go. Oh, let's go. Well, it's a switch. Switch trades. Uh, so I grew up James Taylor and Croce. Like that was singer songwriter era. For sure.

• 15:34Jefferson Fisher?

  How does, when you're in that room for the first time, the, and with your dad and guys, is it like super nerve wracking when you're around people who know how to write songs and you're like, actually, I think it might be cool to add in this. And they're like,

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 15:51Jefferson Fisher?

  Like, how did they politely kind of say, "No, but no"? Or like, how does that? Walk me through that process.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it still happens. Like, I was, I mean, I don't, I hate, the term professional, I hold fully loosely.

• 16:04Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  As a singer or an artist.

• 16:06Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. Yeah, walk me through that.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the thing that we do now is if we hear a line from someone who even is a great songwriter, and they say something, we're like, "Oh, that's cool."

• 16:19Speaker 01

  That's it. You know what I mean?

• 16:21Jefferson Fisher?

  That's your clue.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  That's like the polite way of saying, "That's not the line."

• 16:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, "Oh, that's cool, that's cool."

• 16:25Speaker 01

  That's cool, yeah. Anyway, you know, but when you're an inexperienced writer like I was in that room, even just having the courage to speak is horrifying. I mean, it's like stepping on the first tee box at Augusta.

• 16:37Jefferson Fisher?

  It has to be. Like, I think of like, whenever I see any bluegrass circles.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:43Jefferson Fisher?

  You know, and man, if I was, I might have to jump in on a, I would just be terrified if like, you're going in there like, there's no way.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  I will say, that's more nerve wracking. If you're just kind of an okay guitar player, hopping in with a bunch of professional bluegrass players, I just wouldn't play. But in a writing room, so you have a little more, it's different.

• 17:03Jefferson Fisher?

  It's a little bit, okay, it's more laid back.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  There's more grace there. Yeah, because you just physically can't be as good as those bluegrass guys.

• 17:08Jefferson Fisher?

  I feel like in communication, we say, "Yeah, that's crazy." Like, things that aren't crazy, but we don't want to say...

• 17:15Speaker 01

  That's most of my conversations with a stranger.

• 17:17Jefferson Fisher?

  You know what I mean? You don't want to say like, "That was kind of useless information. I don't know what to do with that." "Whoa, it's crazy."

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy. That means I could care less about what you're saying.

• 17:24Jefferson Fisher?

  That's exactly, that's, it's saying, "Thank you for the nothing you just gave me," is what it really is. But it's like...

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Similar, it's very similar.

• 17:31Jefferson Fisher?

  "Thank you for that help, that heaping help of nothing."

• 17:33Speaker 01

  But I do think with songwriting, everyone has their own unique style. I mean, just like in law, I would imagine, not every lawyer goes about the courtroom the exact same way. Like, and the same with parenting, like, your dad definitely parented different than I'm parenting now, but I cannot wait to adopt the way that your dad parented into my children. But in songwriting, dude, everybody just has their own style and their own brand, and unless you're writing with people that have the grace to allow you to say some stupid stuff, you're never gonna, you're never gonna get any better. You know what I mean? Because if you don't say it, it's definitely not gonna be put in the song. You might as well just say it. So we start off every session by saying, "Hello, there are no dumb ideas in this room."

• 18:08Jefferson Fisher?

  I like that.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:08Jefferson Fisher?

  Because you almost have to leave the ego at the door.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're going to go through a lot of terribleness in every session. I don't care how good you are to get to something that's like, that's great. And I feel that's, you know, it's life.

• 18:21Jefferson Fisher?

  I would say that's life.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:22Jefferson Fisher?

  Right. Now, how does, I wanna pick that up for here, here you are, the son, which hits different than girls, but you love your girls.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:33Jefferson Fisher?

  You love your son. You have all your kids.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:36Jefferson Fisher?

  For me, I feel like I've lived different lives. In each one, I learned just a little bit more. In each one, I get a little bit more proud of who I am and what I'm doing. I'm showing up.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:45Jefferson Fisher?

  You find like, in this season, this stage of your life right now is your, is your favorite.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Do I feel like this is my favorite?

• 18:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, I mean, yes. I'm, I'm my most true self today than I have ever been.

• 19:00Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  And I think you're, I think you're gonna say that, hopefully.

• 19:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Always.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Every decade.

• 19:04Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, you don't wanna be like, oh, this is all right.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Well, it was really good. Way better dude at 25 than I am now.

• 19:09Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  I think if, if you can't say that every few years and you really have not, you're not, you're not doing any work.

• 19:15Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  On yourself. And I think it's, you have to do, you have to continue to do work on yourself. I mean, I told my, my 10 year old daughter the other night and we got in the bed and

• 19:24Speaker 01

  she was saying something like, why are you, I'm trying to remember how she phrased this. Like, why, why do I get in trouble for things, but like, but like Lennon doesn't, our six year old? And I'm like, baby, unfortunately and unfortunately.

• 19:36Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  You are the oldest.

• 19:38Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Right? So with that comes great responsibility. With that comes, you're gonna do things before everybody else gets to do them. On the flip side of that, this is the first time I'm dealing with it.

• 19:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? I've never had a 10 year old before. So I'm learning this in real time.

• 19:50Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  With you. You know what I'm saying? Cause you know, the whole like model of like the, the youngest kid always got like less.

• 19:57Jefferson Fisher?

  Dude, I'm the oldest of four.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:58Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  You kind of are envious of your younger brothers and sisters.

• 20:01Jefferson Fisher?

  And they were envious of me, you know? I couldn't wait to get my driver's license and just run to the store and get bread.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 20:07Jefferson Fisher?

  You know what I mean? But the youngest got to just.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 20:10Jefferson Fisher?

  He, it was me who Saturday mornings had to go, dad to go pick up sticks.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:16Jefferson Fisher?

  From the yard. They were still watching cartoons.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  But even think about how you hold your first child compared to how you hold your, for me, my fifth child.

• 20:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Like my first child, it was like, holy crap.

• 20:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, you don't wanna.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  My fifth child, I'm like, hey.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I'm mowing the grass. Come here. You know what I'm saying? It's just like you, every kid becomes less fragile and you start to understand that like, oh, these, these beings, these creatures are so resilient and so much tougher than we ever give them credit for.

• 20:40Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  But the, but, but the mental, emotional side of it is like. With every kid, I feel like I just become more like, okay, I've experienced this problem before.

• 20:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  We've been here. We've been through the lying. We've been through the deception. We've been through all the stuff. To where now I'm like, I know exactly how to deal with this with you.

• 20:55Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Whereas like the oldest kid, you're literally learning it as they're learning it.

• 20:58Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? It's a blessing and a curse of being the oldest child, which I am too.

• 21:01Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, and I think that's the same way with, um, marriage.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 21:06Jefferson Fisher?

  We've been, this will be 15 years for us.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 21:09Jefferson Fisher?

  And I was, I forgot who I was talking to.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Congratulations, by the way. That's a huge feat, yeah.

• 21:14Jefferson Fisher?

  But it has only been even these past two years, or I could say even in the last year or six months or whatever, always seems to be the better version.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 21:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Because, and I, who was I, I forgot who was I talking to? The, of, who was like, but y'all have been married 15 years. I was like, that doesn't mean you gotta figure it out. Like, you, you need, you need even more runway.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 21:37Jefferson Fisher?

  To try and figure things out. Like, it's not like, oh, you already have things figured out. No, I, I'm, and I have, I have to imagine this is like in, for you as a musician, like, you're singing about the things you're learning about, what you're going through right now. I get to teach things that I'm still learning.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 21:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, conflict, how to handle disagreements.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 21:56Jefferson Fisher?

  I'm getting a daily lesson of that every day.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:58Jefferson Fisher?

  And so it is, has to be this impression of you. Do you feel like there are times when it's easier to write it in a song than actually say it to her?

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Sometimes, uh, but I want to speak to something that you just said because I feel like, I feel like that is why you are having the success that you're having is because yes, there are people that want to go to someone that has figured it all out.

• 22:20Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  But I think people relate so much more to someone that like, has wisdom, but is also actively going through the thing that they're talking about.

• 22:28Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, being able to say, I'm still battling with this, but yet here's some ways I'm working on it.

• 22:35Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Is now palatable for the person that has not even begun to work on it.

• 22:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, I totally agree with that.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 22:41Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, absolutely. It's like, a lot of the times I feel like the world can just focus on the battle you've been.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 22:46Jefferson Fisher?

  The battle you've been in and. There are times where you presented with the opportunity, opportunity to say, yeah, but let me tell you about my victory.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 22:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Let me tell you how, how, how I came out of it.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 22:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Let me tell you how I can share of, you think that's bad? I got way worse.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:00Jefferson Fisher?

  And, and let me tell you how I got out of it.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Well, just the, the power of testimony.

• 23:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Of any kind.

• 23:04Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 23:05Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. To, to know that somebody else has already.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 23:08Jefferson Fisher?

  Been in that with you.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is why I think everyone needs an old friend.

• 23:11Jefferson Fisher?

  The oldest of friends.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Everyone needs an old man, a dude needs an old man and a woman needs an old woman in their lives that they talk to once a month on the phone.

• 23:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Hands down, I have several.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Good.

• 23:21Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. And I've always been like an old soul.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 23:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, but that, well, I definitely have some old people that I call up.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:27Jefferson Fisher?

  When, when things are going on, I call, we call it, uh, in my, in my circles of having a bucket.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:32Jefferson Fisher?

  So you'll call a buddy and just go, I need a bucket.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:35Jefferson Fisher?

  And that means just lay it all out there.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Dump it all.

• 23:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. Dump it all out there and then you start to sift it and sort it and.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 23:41Jefferson Fisher?

  But you gotta hear from people who've been through it.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 23:43Jefferson Fisher?

  Otherwise you don't, you, you lose it. I always feel of, makes me think of growing up, we would, uh, have our golf tournaments in high school. The reason I liked going to golf tournaments in high school was because, and I wasn't any good at golf back then, but you got out of school. But we'd go to McDonald's.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:02Jefferson Fisher?

  Early in the morning and they just came out with, I think the McGriddle.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:06Jefferson Fisher?

  But.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  What a great day.

• 24:07Jefferson Fisher?

  It's so good. It's so good. Um, but there'd always be this like round table of old men.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:15Jefferson Fisher?

  Uh, just meeting to talk about whatever.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 24:19Jefferson Fisher?

  And I just want, that's what I want.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  And more than likely, they have been talking in that, in that same setting for 40 years.

• 24:25Jefferson Fisher?

  At least.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  And crazy like how the, the problems or the successes continue to change.

• 24:29Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Over that course of time. You know what I mean? Like we, uh, my wife and I have been a part of a Bible study now for eight years, which I'm learning is a very long time to be in a Bible study.

• 24:38Jefferson Fisher?

  I would say, yeah, with all like the small group kinda era and everything.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  We, I mean, between our, uh, seven couples in our group, we have like 30 children.

• 24:47Jefferson Fisher?

  That's a lot, dude. Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  So like.

• 24:49Jefferson Fisher?

  Just like homeschool them while you're in Bible study?

• 24:51Speaker 01

  No, no. I mean, like literally like the, the amount of like effort we have all put, put in to be like, hey, Mondays are non-negotiable.

• 24:57Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Uh, it's pretty fascinating to like.

• 24:59Jefferson Fisher?

  And that's hard.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Look back at eight years, but like. We, you know, we, I don't know if you journal or anything. I'm a terrible journaler, but like even just like.

• 25:06Jefferson Fisher?

  When I say, yeah, I mean, I'm pretty bad at it.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Like looking back at like what the prayer requests were.

• 25:11Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Compared to what, first of all, what prayers were answered and now like, what are our prayer requests now are so different than they were seven years ago.

• 25:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Perspective doesn't have to do in there.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Growing with a group of people that are doing life similarly is such a blessing to me. So.

• 25:24Jefferson Fisher?

  And I find that even one, absolutely. Two, I do that a lot with, um, Sierra and I, the things that I can look back, we prayed for. A year for, a year ago, or the conversations we've even had six months ago.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 25:39Jefferson Fisher?

  And the way that that's been tracked and either things that we thought were a big deal got handled.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 25:46Jefferson Fisher?

  And the things that we thought were the biggest thing that was going on.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:49Jefferson Fisher?

  Weren't, we missed it. You know what I mean?

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Isn't that so funny?

• 25:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  But why do we continue to think that the things moving forward are still such a big deal?

• 25:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Like, think about all the battles you went through and now you can look back at them and laugh, but you're still sort of doing the same things.

• 26:03Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  But for some reason you can't laugh about them in the moment.

• 26:05Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  They still become this like world crumbling.

• 26:07Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Thing that when you make it through, you're like, oh, this is just like all the other.

• 26:11Jefferson Fisher?

  Yes.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  World crumbling things that happened in the last decade.

• 26:14Jefferson Fisher?

  Right. Are you, um, like I, I always, I don't know.

• 26:21Jefferson Fisher?

  The dynamic between you and Lauren of like, I'm the, it's gonna be fine. She's the, we're gonna have to. Plan out every single scenario and she's thought about it a million times more than I ever have.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:35Jefferson Fisher?

  Um, do you find like, how do your personalities balance each other?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  I'm your wife.

• 26:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  And my wife is you.

• 26:41Jefferson Fisher?

  She's, she's just like, it's gonna be fun. We're gonna, it's just gonna be good.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which, um.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  I feel like that's, I feel like that's kind of the biggest work I've been trying to do on myself is like, cause I do know that my.

• 26:53Jefferson Fisher?

  You know, over attention to things like my wife would say I have a lack of attention to detail. But I have a lack of attention to detail of things that I don't care about. But if I care about them, I have like an OCD attention to the detail. Like I'm like, what are we, you know, if we're going on like a vacation, Lauren's like, we'll just figure it out when we get there. I'm like, no, we're going to Italy. Like you have to plan Italy. You can't just, you can't just show up in Rome. We're definitely swamped. And be like, we're just gonna, I don't know. We'll try this gelato out. I'm like, no, can we get on the phone with the travel agent? She's like, maybe in next week. I'm like, no, like today. Yeah, right. At this moment. So I would say I'm a lot like your wife. I definitely, I'm a lot like your wife. That definitely vibes. I think this, this is good for our relationship. I can already see what's gonna work out.

• 27:39Jefferson Fisher?

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• 28:23Jefferson Fisher?

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• 29:07Jefferson Fisher?

  That's upwork.com to connect with top talent ready to help your business grow. That's U P W O R K dot com, upwork.com. Let's keep going. I want to talk for a moment on. The idea of you've you've had a lot of songs about women, marriage, specifically a woman.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:30Jefferson Fisher?

  Your wife. And you almost in some way become a model for marriage in culture, in news, or whatever celebrity is. How hard is that? What's that like?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:44Jefferson Fisher?

  When you feel like, hold up, wait, we're just as normal as everybody else.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 29:49Jefferson Fisher?

  And all of a sudden, we're, people actually care more about our marriage than actually being in it.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a it's a weird juxtaposition. You know, I was actually having this conversation earlier.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  But like when, you know, being in the limelight, quote unquote, or being like a quote unquote, like celebrity.

• 30:07Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  You, you know, the the world sort of develops this um, this framework that you that they pin you under. You know what I'm saying?

• 30:16Jefferson Fisher?

  They decide for you.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  They kind of decide for you of just kind of like, if you were, and maybe I'm wrong on this. But I would like to think that if you went out, if you went out in Nashville right now and polled a hundred people. But hey, when when I say the name Thomas Rhett, what do you think of? They'd be like, oh, his wife.

• 30:32Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 30:33Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Okay, what else? His kids, his beautiful kids.

• 30:35Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  They're like, okay, what else? Music?

• 30:38Jefferson Fisher?

  No.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 30:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Maybe, doesn't he sing?

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Doesn't he sing? Exactly. And so, and maybe I'm wrong on that, but I would, I would like to believe that is more than likely what people think of when they think of me. And so it's like, it has been this interesting kind of change, especially like, you know, social media has been around for a minute now. But now it literally is all like podcasts, social media is our way that we that we project. This is the way we, you know, market all the stuff. And so for me, it's been interesting to find this balance of like, okay, well, when I post a picture of like my family on Easter Sunday, it's going to get a she load of engagement.

• 31:12Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  But if I post a picture or a video of a new song, maybe it's not going to connect as much. And so for me, I have to find this like weird balance of like, but I still do this for a living.

• 31:21Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 31:22Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Because I think people have sort of labeled our family like, I mean, couple goals.

• 31:29Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  You know, uh, dream family goals.

• 31:32Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  All this kind of stuff. And so when that is your perception. You sort of innately come back in your house and when things are not going well, you're like, you kind of in your mind go, but I thought we were the perfect family.

• 31:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  I thought I was the perfect husband.

• 31:46Jefferson Fisher?

  Exactly.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Everybody thinks I am.

• 31:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody says I am.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Everybody says I am.

• 31:50Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  And so it is fascinating, dude, because there, we live such a normal life, like as normal as we can.

• 31:57Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  To, to, to have done the things that we've gotten to do.

• 31:59Jefferson Fisher?

  Yes.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  I would like to think that we are very normal. I understand that our, some of our ways of traveling are different. And some of the places we stay are different. But like, I feel like we are so insanely normal and my kids think that we are so insanely normal that when we go places and people want to take pictures with me and Lauren, our kids are just like, what the frick is happening?

• 32:20Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  My six year old was like, why do these people like you?

• 32:22Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  And I'm like, well, you know, do you know that I sing?

• 32:26Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Which is like, I mean, yeah.

• 32:28Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  But like, and, you know what I mean? And so like, I'm trying in this, in this season to like, kind of really teach my kids, really, what do I do for a living? Cause it is fascinating.

• 32:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  If you were to ask your kid, hey, what does daddy do for a living?

• 32:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Right, exactly.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  I'd be, I'd be curious to hear their response.

• 32:43Jefferson Fisher?

  We always say daddy just helps people. That's it.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:45Jefferson Fisher?

  Cause when they stop and my daughter's very vocal and she'd be like, do you know her?

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 32:50Jefferson Fisher?

  You know what I mean? And I'm like, well, kind of.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, we know each other and daddy helps, you know, like, but that's kind of.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  But they also think, like, my kids think that because I'm a singer, that I just have everyone's phone number.

• 33:01Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, I love it.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  And that, and that whoever can come over for lunch tomorrow.

• 33:04Jefferson Fisher?

  Right. Oh, there we go.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 33:06Jefferson Fisher?

  I get that.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Uh, last, I think it was last week, or maybe it was Easter Sunday, one of my kids was like, do you think the Jonas Brothers are gonna come tomorrow for Easter? And I'm like, no.

• 33:16Jefferson Fisher?

  No, probably not.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  They're like, but you sing.

• 33:18Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  And I'm like, yeah. And so I'm trying to like, I'm trying to like, really take them through the weeds of like, what I actually do for a living.

• 33:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Like singing is this much of it.

• 33:27Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Writing is this much of it.

• 33:28Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Planning meetings are this much of it.

• 33:31Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  The tour design, like all the stuff. And so now that they're, they're starting to understand that, oh, my job is more than just singing. Now all of a sudden, my kids are like, my 10 year old the other night was like, well, I want to be a designer. And I'm gonna design dresses. I want to be the CEO of my company. I was like, where'd you learn the word CEO? She was like, I'm gonna live in Paris for a year.

• 33:48Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, there we go.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Then I'm gonna move to London and then I'm gonna have eight kids.

• 33:50Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  I was like, oh.

• 33:51Jefferson Fisher?

  That's awesome.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 33:52Jefferson Fisher?

  And how old is she?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  She's 10.

• 33:54Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, I love that. Yeah. I love that. My six year old last night was like, um. I think I'm gonna move to California for a little bit. And then maybe if you're still in Tennessee, maybe I might come say hi.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:06Jefferson Fisher?

  And then, and I was like, okay.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:08Jefferson Fisher?

  She's already thought this like way out, way farther than I need to. I was like, you mean you're not gonna stay with me?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:13Jefferson Fisher?

  Like, she's like, no. I was like, why would I, why would I do that?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  But no, back to your, I think it's just like perception versus reality is a tough, um, tough battle.

• 34:21Jefferson Fisher?

  And I, I'll share like mine of, I will, here I have a platform where I talk about how to have good communication.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:29Jefferson Fisher?

  And how to handle conflict and arguments and model recovery. And how do you, how do you repair after an argument? And, and then it's really easy to get into an disagreement because you're married to another human. And it's like, well, okay, Mr. Communication Expert. You know what I'm saying? And then it's like, it's, it's has to be hard to of here, y'all are put in this hashtag couple goals. And then because you're married and human, you get into an argument, all of a sudden it's wait, we're hashtag couple goals. What are we doing?

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:04Jefferson Fisher?

  And then it's easy to, cause you got kids and it's bath time and it's whatever else.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think to that, there's a, there's a, there's a quote that says, um, what does it say? Bled or shoot, cursed is the man who is a prophet overseas, but a burden in his own home.

• 35:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Have you, I don't know, I don't know who wrote that, but it's pretty brilliant to me. And it's like, it's like, what kind of capacity and what space are you giving to use your talents in your workplace? But not.

• 35:35Jefferson Fisher?

  For sure.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  In your house.

• 35:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Was it Paul? I think it was, it might've been like in Romans.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  I think it was in Romans.

• 35:40Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  What a guy.

• 35:41Jefferson Fisher?

  What a pal.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  What a pal. But yeah, dude, I mean, it's, it's, it's like, it's so easy to, for like me to sit here with you and just be like the nicest dude in the world.

• 35:49Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  But if I can't take that mentality and bring it back into my house, because it's like the, the old saying of, um, I want to be known and loved the most by the people that love and know me the most.

• 36:00Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 36:01Jefferson Fisher?

  That's so good.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  And it's like, you're your best self in front of complete strangers.

• 36:04Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  But you're your worst version of yourself in front of the people that admire and respect you the most.

• 36:08Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, there's a question I always try to ask myself is, is, are my fans or my family getting the best version of me? And that's like.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Buddy.

• 36:18Jefferson Fisher?

  Ooh.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  That is the whole, the world loves to talk about work-life balance.

• 36:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I don't believe in it.

• 36:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 36:26Jefferson Fisher?

  What do you believe?

• 36:27Speaker 01

  I believe that you have to sort of be a hundred percent committed where your feet are.

• 36:30Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  So if you're at home, you have to be a hundred percent that guy.

• 36:34Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, I think that it's it's a it's a slippery slope to me to be like, oh, I can take a couple of phone calls.

• 36:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  On a Saturday.

• 36:41Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, that's hard.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  While my kids are playing T-ball in the backyard. Because those couple of calls turn into an all-day thing.

• 36:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  And then all of a sudden, I find myself in my studio, writing a song that was an idea that came to my brain. And then before I know it.

• 36:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  The weekend is over, and I've spent no time with my children.

• 36:55Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 36:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Just a little bit.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:58Jefferson Fisher?

  I I find, like, I've, I think you would be somebody who would support this. The last year in particular, for me, I went by this idea of what's best for the business is what's best for the family. And what I have gone through, man.

• 37:14Jefferson Fisher?

  I have, it is bright line red, clear to me of is the opposite. What's best for the family is what's best for the business of like, what you're doing right now, what's best for your your children.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:25Jefferson Fisher?

  And Lauren is what carries through everything else and how different that is.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, because think about it like this, like, if your if your job.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  I'm trying to word this right. If things are right in the home.

• 37:40Jefferson Fisher?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Right? And like, you're spending not quantity time, you're spending quality time with your family. It could be super limited, too.

• 37:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Like, even if you only get a couple of hours a weekend, but but it's like, in very, very, very intentional.

• 37:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  That's so much more than you just like, kind of being there for a week.

• 37:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Just halfing it.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? And so like, if your wife feels loved and known, if your kids feel loved and known and seen, all of a sudden, when you walk out the door to go to work, your family's going, go get them, Dad.

• 38:05Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Compared to.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  It's that thing.

• 38:10Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Like, he's going to do the thing that continues to take away from us.

• 38:13Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  So it makes sense.

• 38:14Jefferson Fisher?

  No, I I'm right there with you, man. I'm so again, because I've I've lived that, too. Before we get going, I want to take a moment to tell you about Element, which, as my kids call it, salty water. Element is an easy way to stay hydrated. It comes in packs, also in like, sulfur cans, where it's very salty, but it's the good stuff. Where it's no sugar, gives you a lot of electrolytes, and keeps you hydrated, which is great. What I, the flavor. I like, I take the packets because I'm not a seltzer person, I don't really do carbonation, but my kids do, they love it. And so usually they'll ask for it after dinner. That's like my son's choice of drink. He calls it, I want, I want to go get some salty water. Um, and if it's not called, he calls it spicy water because he finds the carbonation spicy. Anyway, I like the, I like the packets of it and they just came out some new flavors.

• 38:57Jefferson Fisher?

  That's tea and lemonade, like an Arnold, Arnold Palmer type of thing, pink lemonade and just a regular lemonade. It's fantastic. I highly, highly, um, recommend those flavors. They're the best. So Element was made for people on a mission. People like you and me, from parents to business leaders. And right now, Element is offering my listeners a free sample pack with any order, which is pretty sweet. Head or pretty salty. Head to drink element.com. That was such a bad dad joke. Head to drink element.com slash Jefferson to try it risk free. That's drink L M N T dot com slash Jefferson. Let's keep going. I've heard you speak on kind of this transition of things you didn't do as well in marriage and relationship and family.

• 39:42Jefferson Fisher?

  And now you're at a place where you feel like you do well. So what, what is the thing in your mind? You felt like you had to unlearn to be where you are now?

• 39:54Jefferson Fisher?

  I was on the phone, I hope she's okay with me sharing this. And if it's not, y'all can just. Yeah, we can cut it out. Whatever. Yeah. But I was on the phone with Miranda Lambert the other day. Yeah. She's kind of weirdly always been, not weirdly, she's been an amazing friend, uh, ever since I started in this business. Oh, that's cool.

• 40:10Jefferson Fisher?

  I was kind of seven or eight years behind her. So she's always been doing it eight to 10 years longer than me. Yeah. So she's always had a 10 year sort of wisdom gap ahead of me or whatever. And I called her the other day, just, just talk about music, the road touring, like at what point do you like not do a 50 show tour? Like at what point do you decide, maybe we, maybe we can't sell 20,000 tickets? And you know, we were having this conversation and they started talking about, man, I just feel like, I end up just saying yes, always for, for the sake of more. Yeah. And she said, and she said, let me just remind you that there's no such thing as a country music emergency. That's good.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  And I love, I freaking love that quote because it's not just a country music emergency.

• 40:56Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  She was like, you're not a doctor. Like, you're not going in to do a heart transplant tonight. You're not curing cancer. You're literally deciding, should I do this podcast or should I not?

• 41:05Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 41:06Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  And when you really zoom out a thousand feet, you kind of go, oh, that's really not a big deal.

• 41:12Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  And more than likely, there will be another opportunity to do something else down the line that matches up better with my schedule. And so I think the thing that I had to unlearn is that if, if I said no, eight to 10 years ago, which I didn't say no, eight to 10 years ago, it was always a yes. I've had to, I've had to unlearn that just because it's a good opportunity doesn't mean it's the best opportunity.

• 41:32Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  And so I've been very, very fortunate with such an amazing team.

• 41:38Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  That sort of knows where my rankings are on my like family, work, stuff. To where it's like, they have done a great job at just presenting me with a lot of different options. And being like, hey, we believe that this is great. We believe that this is a lot of good exposure. We believe this, we believe this. And so they present the options. And then we haven't done this great, but we have now started trying to do once a month, sitting down, not just with me, but with my wife. Cause I'm not a good communicator. I'm one of those people that will say,

• 42:07Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  yes to a million things and get super fired up about this thing and super fired up about this. And then I get home and I'm like, oh, I really need to talk to Lauren about this stuff.

• 42:15Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  But as you know,

• 42:16Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  when?

• 42:17Jefferson Fisher?

  Yes.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  When are we gonna do that?

• 42:18Jefferson Fisher?

  Yes.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  When we get in the bed at nine?

• 42:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's happening?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Are we gonna do that? Are we trying to watch Silo, season three?

• 42:23Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? And it just ends up not getting talked about. And then by the time that whole busy week that we planned gets there.

• 42:30Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Everyone's in shock. You know what I'm saying?

• 42:33Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  My wife goes, when did you plan all this? I'm like, oh, um, a couple of months ago.

• 42:40Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  She was like, well, I didn't, I mean, we don't have, we don't have a babysitter. I'm like, I'm like, oh, shoot.

• 42:45Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  And then I just scramble and then I cancel and then I become this like very unreliable.

• 42:51Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 42:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Dude, I, I lived that. Okay? Okay. Yeah, like in, in the last six months. All right. Because what would happen is they would say, of course, my scale, much smaller on tour and, and everything else of, they'd ask me, can you be on this show, podcast, whatever? And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, or I'd say, hold off. And then I'd ask Sierra and she'd be like, oh, that's Ruby's Dance Recital. You know, like, or this is not Dance Recital, but like this is a program at school.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  I'm getting stressed out.

• 43:21Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. And, and I'm like, I'm like, oh, it is. Okay. And then, then I'd have to go tell somebody that's not a good date. And then they have to come back with a different date. And it was like, they just put me in a, in an impossible position. And so what we've done is now Sierra is like the number one filter.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:38Jefferson Fisher?

  Of protecting, her job is chief number one of like any schedule things, any publicity things.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:47Jefferson Fisher?

  Any of your stuff like that once a month meeting or whatever. It all runs through her. And so it's, I, I don't let me make a scheduling decision because her brain has the capacity.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:57Jefferson Fisher?

  To handle all the tabs.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 44:00Jefferson Fisher?

  And open and, and that just makes my life and our life. Like that much better when we're able, able to do that.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. A hundred percent, man.

• 44:10Jefferson Fisher?

  I, I do have to tell you this number one song that gets played on my house is You're Nothing Else with Forrest Frank.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  Oh, sick.

• 44:16Jefferson Fisher?

  Dude, my kids love, we all, every morning, every morning is Forrest Frank, every morning. And so I have to say.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  There's not much like inspiring music out there that feels like you're listening to Fetty Wap at the same time. You know what I'm saying? You can just blast on a Monday morning.

• 44:30Jefferson Fisher?

  Right, right. It's just age appropriate for everybody. Yeah, exactly. And so I'll be making eggs just going, man, I don't have, no, it's, this is.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 44:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah. Uh, I do have to say, I am encouraged and, and proud to see what I have seen. And that is more leaning into your faith and being more, I think just more God focused in your message. And I think that's something, as somebody watching from the outside, man, I'm so proud, dude. I think, I think that's just, that's just awesome because that's hard. That's really hard of like, what, what do you, what if you're not the Thomas Rhett that people fell in love with 13 years ago? Or whatever. And like you're in these different life stages and phases and you're in different phase of marriage and everything. And some, a lot of that too is faith.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  For sure. Yeah, man, it's, you know, it's, it's always been a part of me. I mean, ever, ever since I was young.

• 45:29Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  I mean, I think I got, I got baptized when I was eight. I'm not totally sure I knew what it meant.

• 45:34Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah, I think we all got married like right at that age.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, but I, I don't, I mean, I've always believed, but I, I don't think that my like faith got really real until I was like a sophomore in college. And then, you know, when I got on the road, it was always a part of me, but it never was as like, um, never was as vocal.

• 45:52Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  You know?

• 45:54Speaker 01

  And for some reason, I don't know what it is about the, the human brain turning 30. Like, do you know the science behind, is it like, is my brain fully developed now?

• 46:02Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  As a 36 year old man?

• 46:04Jefferson Fisher?

  I don't think so. I think we're just coming online.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know if it was, it was either turning 30 or me turning 30 during COVID. You know?

• 46:12Jefferson Fisher?

  Oh, okay.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  COVID warped me.

• 46:14Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Like, in the worst way and in the best way humanly possible. I think that like that year, as hard as it was, God did so many things in my life that year that I did not know they were happening while they were happening.

• 46:27Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Even just like,

• 46:32Speaker 01

  that year, I feel like so much of my identity and what I did was completely stripped away from me. You know what I'm saying?

• 46:37Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  I was talking to Harry about this the other day, but the, the, the things that we did for money that year were so hilarious.

• 46:44Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Like the sponsorship deals we did, I played on Zoom calls for corporate companies, like 10,000 people, and you can't see any of them. They're just in your basement alone.

• 46:53Jefferson Fisher?

  Just jamming.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  And they would like unmute it and you would hear like that, you know, and you're like, what the frick are we doing?

• 46:59Jefferson Fisher?

  What's happening?

• 47:00Speaker 01

  But you know, when you were in the middle of COVID, you really, you really did, I really did not believe that we were ever gonna ever be able to go do anything ever again.

• 47:07Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Like, I was so warped and, but God, like every month would just keep stripping me and keep stripping me and keep stripping me. And just remind me like, hey, first and foremost, you're a husband. Hey, first and foremost, you're a father. Hey, first, first and foremost, you're a son, you're a friend. And then comes this thing, singer.

• 47:25Jefferson Fisher?

  Right.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Uh, I was at a conference last week. You ever heard John Maxwell speak?

• 47:29Jefferson Fisher?

  I have.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Buddy. Like, I don't know if you're a fan or not, but like, the way, the way that he kind of presented this to me was pretty wild. Or maybe not to me, but it was just like as part of a conference. And he was just like, I guess when he was kind of getting going early on in his career, he had a mentor that flew out to meet him. And he was like, hey, John, you know, it sounds like things are going pretty well. You know, you're, a lot of people are coming to church and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I'm doing pretty good. And he was like, yeah, and it sounds like when you, you deliver sermons, people, people like it a lot. And they're like, yeah, we're getting a pretty good reaction, you know? And he was like, I bet you think you're pretty amazing, don't you? He was like, ah, you know, I don't know. He was like, let me remind you, you are not amazing. You're not amazing. Your gifts are amazing.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  But those gifts were given freely to you. And that was a huge message that I feel like I learned during COVID is like, I guess it's me, it's my voice, it's my songs and all that stuff. But those are all gifts that were given to me freely. You know what I'm saying?

• 48:28Jefferson Fisher?

  So good.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  And, uh, and so, I don't even remember what you were talking about, but I guess like after COVID, um, was when I just sort of, I couldn't really not be vocal about my faith anymore.

• 48:39Jefferson Fisher?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  And I'm not, I'm not a preacher by any means.

• 48:43Jefferson Fisher?

  You don't gotta be, man.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  I, I'm not a preacher.

• 48:45Jefferson Fisher?

  You don't gotta be, you just gotta follow him.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  But the more I, the more I read and the more I walked, um, just more, more intimately with the Lord, it just sort of, it just started, uh, flowing out of me differently than it had, uh, before COVID.

• 48:58Jefferson Fisher?

  Well, I, I know you have, you know, a lot of music that's inside of you still and things that I think you're gonna

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:05Jefferson Fisher?

  bring out, and it's not gonna be you, it's gonna be your gifts

• 49:08Speaker 01

  The gifts.

• 49:08Jefferson Fisher?

  that do it.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 49:10Jefferson Fisher?

  And, uh, I'm gonna look forward to, to watching it, man. Thanks, man.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you, buddy.

• 49:13Jefferson Fisher?

  I really, really appreciate it. It was, um, just all the best to you and your family and especially your new son.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Thanks, bro.

• 49:19Jefferson Fisher?

  Congratulations.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  I appreciate it. Thanks.

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