How To Turn Self-Doubt Into Your Superpower - The Mindset of Champions

In this powerful masterclass, I sit down with three extraordinary athletes who have each redefined success in their fields and taken their athlete’s mindset to the real world - NBA legend Kobe Bryant, tennis champion Venus Williams, and WWE superstar Becky Lynch. Each guest opens up about their unique journey to greatness, sharing intimate stories about their early struggles, breakthrough moments, and the mental fortitude that drove them to the top of their respective sports. From Kobe's revelations about his father's impact, to Venus's insights on business transitions, to Becky's inspiring transformation in professional wrestling, each conversation reveals universal truths about perseverance, authenticity, and the true meaning of success. In this episode you will learn:How Kobe Bryant's early failure (scoring zero points an entire summer) became the foundation for his legendary work ethicThe importance of studying film and paying attention to the smallest details in achieving masteryWhy compassion and empathy were Kobe's biggest challenges as a leaderHow Venus Williams maintains core self-belief while managing situational confidence challengesThe danger of basing self-worth on appearance rather than substance and capabilityHow Becky Lynch transformed from a directionless teenager to finding her authentic voice in wrestlingFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1706For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Kobe Bryant – greatness.lnk.to/1566SCVenus Williams – greatness.lnk.to/1591SCBecky Lynch – greatness.lnk.to/1594SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:00Lewis Howes?

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• 0:45Lewis Howes?

  to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today. It's going to be powerful, so let's go ahead and dive in.

• 0:59Lewis Howes?

  The thing I love the most about you is that you really care about other human beings. Your heart is so big, even though you've been known for this focused mentality that is just almost psycho in some ways. But you care deeply about human beings. And I think that's why so many people love you as well. So I want to acknowledge you for your kindness and generosity towards humanity. My first question for you is, I'm curious about, who was your greatest teacher growing up? Because you had an interesting childhood, being in Italy for a while, coming back to Philadelphia, I think it was. Who was the greatest teacher for you in those early days?

• 1:35Kobe Bryant?

  That's funny, I had a lot of them. My parents were great. Growing up, they instilled in me the importance of imagination, of curiosity, and understanding that, okay, if you want to accomplish something, I'm not just going to sit here and say, yes, you can do whatever you want. Yes, you can, but you have to also put in the work to get there, right? So they taught me that at a really early age, man. And when you grow up as a kid, thinking that the world is your oyster, all things are possible if you put in the work to do it. You grew up having that fundamental belief.

• 2:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Who was more influential for you, your father or mother?

• 2:13Kobe Bryant?

  Both were influential at different points.

• 2:15Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Kobe Bryant?

  Right. My, uh, my mom was there on a daily basis. My father was really influential at a really critical time where I had a summer where I played basketball when I was like 10 or 11 years old. In a very prominent summer league in Philadelphia called the Sunny Hill League. Where my father played, my uncle played, and they were like all-time greats and such stuff. Wilt Chamberlain played in the league, you know, Earl LaProma in the role played in the league. And here I come, playing, and I don't score one point the entire summer.

• 2:45Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 2:46Kobe Bryant?

  Not one.

• 2:47Lewis Howes?

  How old were you?

• 2:48Kobe Bryant?

  11, 10, 11.

• 2:49Lewis Howes?

  You're playing against other 10, 11-year-olds or you didn't score once?

• 2:52Kobe Bryant?

  Not one.

• 2:52Lewis Howes?

  Were you in the game?

• 2:53Kobe Bryant?

  I was in the game.

• 2:54Lewis Howes?

  How'd you not score?

• 2:55Kobe Bryant?

  Cause I was terrible.

• 2:56Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 2:57Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 2:58Lewis Howes?

  At 10, 11 years old, you were that terrible?

• 3:00Kobe Bryant?

  I mean, I, you know, and I had these big knee pads on cause I was growing really fast. I had socks all the way up here and I had like the high top.

• 3:07Lewis Howes?

  Skinny, yeah.

• 3:08Kobe Bryant?

  Like skinny and. And I scored not a free throw, not a, nothing, not a lucky shot, not a breakaway layup, zero points. And I remember crying about it, being upset about it. And my father just gave me a hug and said, listen, whether you score zero or score 60, I'm gonna love you no matter what.

• 3:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 3:25Kobe Bryant?

  Now, that is the most important thing that you can say to a child. Because from there, I was like, okay, it gives me all the confidence in the world to fail. I have the security there. But with that, I'm scoring 60. Let's go.

• 3:39Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 3:40Kobe Bryant?

  Right. And from there, I just went to work. I just, I stayed with it. I kept practicing, kept practicing, kept practicing.

• 3:45Lewis Howes?

  Is that when you think the mentality of hard work started to come in for you at that age, when you failed so miserably, I guess, that summer?

• 3:52Kobe Bryant?

  I think that's when the idea of understanding a long-term view became important. Because I wasn't gonna catch these kids in a week. I wasn't gonna catch them in a year, right? So that's when I sat down and said, okay, this is gonna take some thought, right? What do I wanna work on first? All right, shooting. All right, let's knock this out. Let's focus on this half a year, six months, do nothing but shoot. All right, after that, all right, creating your own shot and you focus. So you start, I started creating a menu of things. When I came back the next summer, I was a little bit better. Right.

• 4:21Lewis Howes?

  And then you mean like I've got my jump shot from 15, I've got my.

• 4:24Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, I got my jump shot from 15, I got my three point shot, like just open shots, not miss open shots, right? Be able to shoot it with speed because those kids are so much more athletic.

• 4:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 4:34Kobe Bryant?

  And then the next time I came back, it was a little better. The summer came back, the next time I was a little better. I scored. You know, it wasn't much, but I scored.

• 4:41Lewis Howes?

  This is 12, 13.

• 4:42Kobe Bryant?

  12, 13. Then 14 came around, back half of 13, 14 years old, and then I was just killing everyone. And it happened in two years. And I wasn't expecting it to happen in two years, but it did because what I had to do was work on the basics and the fundamentals. Well, they relied on their athleticism and their natural ability. And because I stick to the fundamentals, it just caught up to them. And then my body, you know, my knees stopped hurting. I grew into my frame and.

• 5:09Lewis Howes?

  And then your athleticism, once you have the fundamentals, the hard work, the mindset, and you tack on the athleticism, it's game over.

• 5:17Kobe Bryant?

  Then it was game over.

• 5:18Lewis Howes?

  What was your routine and ritual like after every game? Would you watch almost every game over or certain games?

• 5:24Kobe Bryant?

  All of them.

• 5:25Lewis Howes?

  Every game you watch?

• 5:26Kobe Bryant?

  Every game.

• 5:27Lewis Howes?

  The whole game back?

• 5:28Kobe Bryant?

  The whole game.

• 5:28Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 5:29Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah. So it started with me when I was a, when Phil Jackson's, his first year here with the Lakers. One of assistant coaches, his name was Tex Winter, and I called him Yoda. I mean, he was like 82 when he got here.

• 5:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 5:41Kobe Bryant?

  And he was responsible for teaching me the triangle offense.

• 5:45Lewis Howes?

  How old were you then?

• 5:46Kobe Bryant?

  I was 21.

• 5:48Lewis Howes?

  So three years, four years in the league?

• 5:50Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so by my fourth year in the league. And so I go up to his room, and this is when there were no iPads, anything like that, right? So when you're on the road, yeah, you have to call down to the front desk and have to bring up the TV with the whole, you know, the rolly thing and the VHS and the cassette tape and pop it in. And I thought we were going to watch what we call touches. So watch all your touches when you have the ball, all the decisions you made, good ones and bad. No, we're watching the start of the game to the end of the game and not like, not like the TV feed. We're watching the in arena feed, the layup line, the timeouts.

• 6:26Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:27Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, rewinding, stopping, fast forward, rewinding, slow motion, every little thing, every game of that season. With the 82 year old Yoda.

• 6:40Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 6:41Kobe Bryant?

  Who is as brutally honest as you can get.

• 6:45Lewis Howes?

  What did that teach you that season?

• 6:47Kobe Bryant?

  It taught me to look at detail.

• 6:50Kobe Bryant?

  Look at things at their smallest. Right? Look at body language.

• 6:58Kobe Bryant?

  Look at the energy between players, our team and the other team. Right? Look at the tactics. Look at the overall strategy and to look at how tactically things are manifesting themselves. And because I watched so much film, then it gave me the ability to see game in real time as if I was watching film. I can see because a lot of times the game starts moving really fast. But if you train yourself to watch hours and hours of film, the game's not moving that fast anymore. You can really recognize who's doing what and why. Then you can position guys in the right places in real time.

• 7:30Lewis Howes?

  Seeing it before it happens.

• 7:31Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 7:31Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. We, you know, in football, we'd watch it once a week, game film. But not, you know, after every game. It was only one game a week. You got like three a week sometimes.

• 7:41Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta go.

• 7:43Lewis Howes?

  And I know Tom Brady is obsessive over game film as well. I mean, watching his show that came out, Tom vs. Time, was all about him just in there studying. Even months after the game, he's studying to prepare, right? It's just like, he's obsessed. And that's, that's one of the keys, you think? It's like, if you're not watching film, whether it be as a speaker on stage or a performer and a musician, if you're not watching yourself back.

• 8:07Kobe Bryant?

  You gotta learn, man. I mean, Beyonce is

• 8:09Lewis Howes?

  Same, same thing.

• 8:10Kobe Bryant?

  Really? After a performance, she's immediately on her laptop, rewatching the performance.

• 8:16Lewis Howes?

  No way.

• 8:17Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, seeing how to do things better. What could we have done differently? Right? I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's an obsessiveness that comes along with it. You want things to be as perfect as they can be, understanding that nothing is ever perfect. But the challenge is try to get them as perfect as they can be. And what can you do? It's in your control. So control what you can. I can watch film all day long. It's gonna help me.

• 8:41Lewis Howes?

  Get better.

• 8:41Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, yes.

• 8:43Lewis Howes?

  Now, did you have your teammates also follow on this obsessiveness that you had as well? Or did you just encourage them or what was the?

• 8:50Kobe Bryant?

  No, you can't push somebody to do that, right? But what you can do is, is alter behavior. And also change the vernacular of how they speak about the game. So on team buses, team planes, in a locker room after practice, I would look at the film, I'd pull Powell, Lamar, Dee Fish, pull them aside and say, let's look at this. Right? We probably should have done this, that and the other.

• 9:13Lewis Howes?

  So you'll show them the game film, a little bit here and there.

• 9:15Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, then you speak to them in, in executional terms. It's never, "Come on, guys, we can do better. Come on, guys, we can do better." That's rah rah stuff. Right? Leader must give very tactical, you know, uh, things that we can do, adjustments. Okay, the defense is doing this, that and the other. That means we should probably do this, this, this, that. By midway through the season, through that behavior, you start seeing them communicating the same way back to you. Right? And it's like, okay, Kobe, they're doing this, that and the other to you. Maybe we should do this and that. And like, okay, yeah, awesome. Great. Let's do it.

• 9:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. What about, um, season sixteen, seventeen, eighteen? Are you still watching every game film as obsessively as the first ten years?

• 9:55Kobe Bryant?

  Not, not now, no. Well, when I was playing.

• 9:57Lewis Howes?

  When you were playing.

• 9:58Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so when I was playing, what I would do is, is, um, study the film, but study our younger players. And see what areas do they need to develop in? And how can I help them develop? I mean, that's, that was the big challenge is you move from, you know,

• 10:15Kobe Bryant?

  being a single dominant player to understanding, okay, I have to help these other guys.

• 10:19Lewis Howes?

  How do I lift everyone else up?

• 10:21Kobe Bryant?

  It's tough.

• 10:22Lewis Howes?

  What, I mean, you were so dominant your whole career, one of the greatest of all time. Was there a weakness that you had? Or did you, because obviously you're always trying to master your weaknesses so they became your strengths, but did you, at the end or towards the end, did you ever feel like, "Gosh, I still haven't like mastered this one part of the game"?

• 10:39Kobe Bryant?

  The challenge for me was always compassion and empathy.

• 10:43Lewis Howes?

  Because you're like, guys, let's go. Get results. Shut up. Don't complain, right?

• 10:47Kobe Bryant?

  I don't want to hear your whining. I don't want to hear it.

• 10:49Lewis Howes?

  No excuses.

• 10:50Kobe Bryant?

  Don't tell me how rough the water is. Just bring the boat in. You know, I, like, I don't, I don't want to hear it, you know? And it's, uh,

• 10:56Lewis Howes?

  That's funny.

• 10:57Kobe Bryant?

  It's understanding like, okay, these guys have lives.

• 11:00Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 11:00Kobe Bryant?

  Outside of here.

• 11:01Lewis Howes?

  They have other things happening.

• 11:02Kobe Bryant?

  Other things happening to them that may be affecting the way that they're practicing or the way that they're performing.

• 11:09Kobe Bryant?

  And it was hard for me to understand that because nothing bothered me. Anything personally that never fazed me.

• 11:15Lewis Howes?

  You compartmentalized it.

• 11:17Kobe Bryant?

  Very well, but so I couldn't understand how my teammates couldn't do that either. Until I, you know, so I had to really work on that aspect of it.

• 11:26Lewis Howes?

  That's hard.

• 11:26Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 11:27Lewis Howes?

  So do you feel like you never really had the compassion you wish you would have had? Like until the last maybe couple of years?

• 11:33Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, so I think about oh nine, things started changing for me. I started really making a conscious effort to better understand. And that doesn't mean you have compassion and empathy, so you go soft on them. It's more like you put yourself to the side and you put yourself in their shoes and understand what they're feeling. And then you have to make certain decisions of, okay, what buttons do I need to push for this player to get them to the next level? So it's never, it's not sit around and all, it's all happy-go-lucky type of thing. Your leader, your job is to get the best out of them. Even if, you know, they may not like it at that time.

• 12:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, wow. What are you most proud of from your 20 seasons?

• 12:19Kobe Bryant?

  Honestly, it was, it sounds,

• 12:25Kobe Bryant?

  may sound a little shallow, but I gotta say beating the Celtics in game seven.

• 12:31Kobe Bryant?

  That's what I'm most proud of because it was, it was the hardest.

• 12:35Kobe Bryant?

  You know, you're playing with Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, and, you know, there's myself, Powell, and players that other teams didn't want. And, you know, how do we figure out as a group what to do? And the reason why I loved that series so much is that we went down three games to two against Boston. And now you got two games coming home. I remember sitting in the locker room and they beat the crap out of us too that game. So we're sitting in the locker room and it's really, really quiet. I'm sitting there looking around and we just lost the Celtics in 08. So this is like revenge, right? And they're kicking our butt again, right? So I sit around and I just started laughing.

• 13:16Kobe Bryant?

  I started laughing and then I remember Derek Fisher looked at me like, and Lamar looked at me and goes, what is funny? I said, dude, they beat the crap out of us. They just beat the crap out. I said, I'm missing the part where that's funny. I said, man, listen, if you start this season and they say, you know, all you have to do is win two games at home and you're NBA champ. Would you take that?

• 13:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:41Kobe Bryant?

  They're like, right. That's all we gotta do.

• 13:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Kobe Bryant?

  Go home, win two. We're NBA champions. All we gotta do is win two games in a row. That's it. We'll take care of the first game and I promise you, they're not winning game seven on our home floor. It's not happening. So we all just laughed about it. And then we went out and we figured it out. But that game seven was, we're down 15 points in the fourth quarter. Right? And that's when you have to collectively look at each other and say, you know, the spirit of your team must be good. Because at that moment is when teams fracture. If the energy amongst each other isn't there, that trust isn't there, you're done. And we were able to collectively dig deep together and say, all right, we're going to figure this thing out.

• 14:22Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 14:22Kobe Bryant?

  And I wasn't playing well. I wasn't shooting the ball well at all. And so my teammates.

• 14:27Lewis Howes?

  Picked you up and they delivered.

• 14:30Kobe Bryant?

  Yes.

• 14:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What do you think the biggest challenges for most athletes after they retire?

• 14:36Kobe Bryant?

  I think it's the fear of starting anew. And that was certainly present for me as well.

• 14:41Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 14:41Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Lewis Howes?

  Like an identity, you mean?

• 14:43Kobe Bryant?

  Well, it's starting from scratch, right? Because when you, when you play for 20 years, I played for 20 years, you reach a certain level, you're like, okay, wait a minute. I have to start again at the base of a mountain and try to climb the top of this mountain. First of all, what mountain am I climbing? I don't even know like what the am I going to be doing? It'd be, it's very, it's very scary. It's very scary.

• 15:03Lewis Howes?

  Even for you?

• 15:04Kobe Bryant?

  Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And the thing that helped me actually was hurting my Achilles. Because that forced me to sit there and say, okay, the day could be today that your career is over.

• 15:17Lewis Howes?

  At any time, when you were playing, you mean, yeah?

• 15:19Kobe Bryant?

  Now would you do? You have these ideas about doing something with your life after basketball. But what if today is the day that you, that's it, now what you do? So I had all this time sitting there with my Achilles injury and contemplating and thinking and I said, I better get to work.

• 15:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:37Kobe Bryant?

  That was that.

• 15:38Lewis Howes?

  What was the vision for you afterwards then? Was it to do what you're doing now? Or did you have other ideas? Or what is, what's the vision?

• 15:44Kobe Bryant?

  I struggled with it at first because the first question I asked, which is the wrong question is, what's the biggest industry I can get into?

• 15:51Lewis Howes?

  Was it more money thinking?

• 15:53Kobe Bryant?

  Yes, money thinking, saying, okay, athletes are saying you can't make more revenue when you retire. This is your source of your income is here. Saying, okay, that's a challenge. What can I do? And I remember going for.

• 16:05Lewis Howes?

  Didn't you launch a fund or something?

• 16:07Kobe Bryant?

  I did, I did. And so I started, I went for a ride and I said, okay, stop thinking of it that way. You're thinking of it the wrong way. Why did you start playing basketball? Because I loved it. All right. What do you love to do? Oh, I love to tell stories. All right, let's do that. And then that's where it started for me. And then on top of that, it became things like, you know, you started learning more about the financial industry and about players going broke once they retire and saying, okay, how can I,

• 16:36Kobe Bryant?

  how can I minimize the chances of that happening? What are the things that I can do to invest my money smartly? Also help control some of that outcome to a certain extent.

• 16:46Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 16:46Kobe Bryant?

  And that's when I called Mike Rapoli. Mike Rapoli was an entrepreneur who built Vitamin Water, Pirate's Boot and some other companies. And started learning from him.

• 16:55Lewis Howes?

  Storytelling is something you're really passionate about. What's a story over your life that's been a constant theme that you go back to? Is there something you heard as a kid that you, that really resonates with you or a book? Or a movie that just feels like this is me?

• 17:11Kobe Bryant?

  Yeah, that's funny. Movies, there are plenty, but there's a quote from one of my English teachers, a little American named Mr. Fisk. He had a great quote that said, rest at the end, not in the middle. Not going to rest and I'm going to keep on pushing now. There are a lot of answers that I don't have, even questions that I don't have, but I'm just going to keep going. Just going to keep going and I'll figure these things out as we go, right? And you just continue to build that way.

• 17:36Lewis Howes?

  Rest at the end.

• 17:37Kobe Bryant?

  Rest at the end.

• 17:38Lewis Howes?

  What's the question that eats you alive the most that you haven't answered yet?

• 17:42Kobe Bryant?

  The question that eats me alive that I haven't answered yet?

• 17:45Lewis Howes?

  That you're still looking for the answer?

• 17:46Kobe Bryant?

  I'm still looking for the answer. How to tell a good story?

• 17:52Kobe Bryant?

  I don't think anybody has that answer. You know, like when I sat down to write Dear Basketball, I was like, okay, what do I want to say?

• 18:01Kobe Bryant?

  And you have certain acts and how you can structure certain things, right? The ebbs and flows of story, certain formulas that have been there since the beginning of time. But it's such an inexact.

• 18:14Lewis Howes?

  So challenging, yeah.

• 18:15Kobe Bryant?

  Right? And so that one question is really interesting.

• 18:20Lewis Howes?

  Why do you want to tell a great story?

• 18:23Kobe Bryant?

  I think stories is what moves the world. Whether it's an inspirational story, it's an informational one. Nothing in this world moves without story.

• 18:39Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think so many people struggle with self-confidence and self-belief today? Is it social media, outside influences? Is it people just don't think they're good enough? Like, how come you were able to drink the Kool-Aid and stay in that environment and not let outside forces creep in?

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's important. And I think there's a difference between having self-belief at your core and having situational moments where you don't feel good about it, right? There's a hundred times more that I've walked on the court and just didn't feel great. You know, like, I don't know if I can do this, right? So that's different than ultimately, deep down, knowing I have what it takes to do it. So those are two different things, right? So I would say, yeah, there have been plenty of times where I was like, ugh, you know, oh, my God. But at the end, I always felt like I was worthy and that I deserved it. And that's purely my background. It was purely my parents who just gave us that from the very beginning. Like, there was nothing else I ever heard since I could remember.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  So I was very fortunate in that sense. And I think as an adult, I've definitely faced some moments where I have felt like, I don't know if I belong here.

• 19:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 19:49Speaker 02

  That was, yeah, that felt.

• 19:53Lewis Howes?

  Like, what situations do you mean?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  I guess they call it imposter syndrome.

• 19:58Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I've had different moments. I'm working with a new AI company in interior design. I'm thinking, should I really be here? I mean, I have a background in interior design. And then I had to fundraise for the first time. This was a nightmare for me.

• 20:12Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 20:13Speaker 02

  And, oh my God, like the anxiety and the issues going. It was horrible. And that's the moment where I understood imposter syndrome. So I went through my whole life of like, pretty much feeling like, you know, king of the court. And then I get there and have to raise money. I'm like, I don't want to be here. I'm so afraid. What's happening? So I think that was a great experience for me. And I think that I saw it for what it was. And I knew I had to push through, but it was extraordinarily uncomfortable.

• 20:44Lewis Howes?

  Really? What was so uncomfortable about it? Was it doing something you'd never done before? Like getting out of your comfort zone and asking to raise money for something that maybe you're new at? Is that what it was?

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Exactly. My parents are, once again, back to them. My mom said, never ask for anything. So just for me to have to ask, like, you know, we're raising money. We need you to give us this. Oh, no, I have to ask for money? This is out of my DNA. I don't ask for anything. I'm used to be able to do everything for myself. Also, just a pitch, like in AI, like I don't know anything about AI. I had to learn the term. What am I doing here? Just in general, I think on the second call, I, the person I was pitching with, they fell off. So they asked me, okay, yeah, what are next steps in the timeline? And I'm all by myself and you have to, you have to say something. You know?

• 21:39Speaker 02

  And so those kinds of things happen and you're completely unprepared. And it's like, how do you deal with it? But I absolutely think that my experience in sport helped me to deal with that kind of dealing with ambiguity. It's just, it's not easy, but sometimes you don't know what's going to happen when you walk on the court. But you have to deal with it. So I think that helped. But my, by no means, it was a tough situation. Do I ever want to fundraise again? Absolutely not.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I hope I don't have to. It's not a place I'd like to be, but it was, it was, it was good to be very humbled.

• 22:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Wow. What do you think was the greatest skill that you developed in your training on the court and as an athlete that you're able to translate into these moments of raising money for a business?

• 22:23Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's hard to pick one, right?

• 22:27Speaker 02

  I'm a workhorse. I don't mind working day and night. I'll work all day, work all night, and start over again, repeat. I think that lack of fear of, of laying it on the line, blood, sweat, tears, leave your heart out there, walk off on a stret- or not even walk off, be carried off on a stretcher. So, you know, that kind of thing, not being afraid of hard work. I think a lot of people are afraid of that level of intensity, but that's honestly what it takes to succeed. The people who are succeeding, a lot of times you see folks when they get to the finish line, the trophy's up, right? They played a beautiful match or created an unbelievable business. Now you see them and they're billions. You never heard of them before. You didn't see them the ten and fifteen years that they put in. You didn't see their failures beforehand. No one sees, you know, the injuries that

• 23:10Speaker 02

  you have around the court when you just can't get it right and the frustration and the back and forth and the losses. So, all of those things really teach you all the lessons you need in life. And, and the failures too. The failures that you have to get back up and you still have to believe in yourself just as much. And if you don't, still pretend at least that you do. Sometimes just faking it is enough. Sometimes you don't know how you're gonna get there. And I think being okay with not knowing, but knowing that there is a point A to point B and you gotta get to point B. And it's okay not to exactly know, but you know you're, you know, you're swimming through the, the water, you're climbing the mountain, whatever you face, you have to do it on your terms.

• 23:51Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Have you ever been afraid of failure or have you just been confident in, really?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  For sure, for sure. Everyone is.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  But you can't, you can't let it stop you. My mom always said, fear is a devil. And also, you have to think about the decisions you would make if you weren't afraid. You know, like if I wasn't afraid, what shot would I actually go for?

• 24:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  What would I try? What, what would I give up? Also, if I weren't afraid, a lot of times, not even about going for it, actually, what would you let, leave behind?

• 24:23Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  A lot of times, we hang on to stuff that's just holding us back.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  And also, if you aren't afraid, are you, then you can actually look at yourself. I think sports teaches you self-awareness, and I have a real thing for not being self-aware and being around people who aren't self-aware bothers the heck out of me. You know, so if you're not self-aware, if you do not tell yourself the truth, you will not win.

• 24:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  That's what it's about, winning and being honest with yourself.

• 24:54Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. What's the thing, speaking of holding on to things, what's the thing that you in your life held on to for the longest period? That once you let go of it, allowed you to step up in a greater way as an athlete or a human or, you know, in business? What was that thing?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  You know, this is gonna sound weird, but I'm, I'm a person who's always involved in the arts. And when you are buying art, for me, I buy or look at art that I love because it makes me happy and I find it beautiful. There is no category. I don't buy just this or that. And so over the years, when you look back, you're like, I should have gotten that piece. I thought about it, or I should have invested in this artist. And it's about buying work that you love and you get to live with it, right? And so I would walk through art fairs and everywhere you looked was someone else that I just didn't get that has like blown up now. And I think finally, once I let it go, I let it go. I felt such peace. You know, just like such peace of like, it's fine.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  That was hard. And I know that's a weird answer.

• 26:00Lewis Howes?

  So the letting go of the, letting go of, oh, I should have invested in this. I should have taken this action. And, and beating yourself up, you let that part of you go for that?

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had to let that go. And now I'm free. So.

• 26:14Lewis Howes?

  That's good. That's good.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  I know you weren't expecting that answer, but.

• 26:18Lewis Howes?

  No, whatever's on your heart and mind. What do you?

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Regret.

• 26:21Lewis Howes?

  What do you think has been the, the emotion that you've had, that you held on to for too long in your life? That when you let go? Uh, allows you to be a better human being, a better athlete, a better, you know, person in your family.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I don't hold on to emotions.

• 26:36Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Um, no, I, I mean, an emotion is just an.

• 26:39Lewis Howes?

  Or beliefs, or beliefs.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't hold on to things. I think that's one of my strengths that I can, I do let go outside of that art thing. Um, but you, it, it, things happen as they happen. I think I would hold on to things if I was continuing to make the same mistakes over and over. But I'm human. I make mistakes. Sometimes I make a decision that could have been better. But I learn from it. Immediately I set responsibility for it and I move on. And I think that's all you can do, right? So you, I, you can't, you can't hold on to stuff.

• 27:16Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Unless you have a time machine and you can go backwards, but otherwise there's no point.

• 27:20Lewis Howes?

  What would you say, you know, your, your parents, obviously, I think a lot of people know about your parents making a big impact in your life. You speak about them a lot. Um, what would you say was the greatest lesson that each of your parents taught you growing up that you still hold on to today? And implement today in your life?

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what? Um, that's hard because there's, there were so many lessons. You have to understand everything was a lesson. Even watching a cartoon was a lesson. Like, there was nothing that wasn't a lesson. So I'm so grateful for that. And, and as I've, you know, had time to spend around my nieces, I just feel like I've just totally failed. Because I've made, I feel like I haven't made anything a lesson yet. Like, I gotta bring my parents' energy to this. But, um, I think one of the biggest gifts my parents gave me was spirituality.

• 28:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  It's so important to have something to believe in. It's so important to have hope. Uh, the world's a beautiful place, but it's a tough place too. And if you don't have the belief in values, you will do anything and then you'll get anything. If you don't have hope.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  It's gonna be hard to get through this world where so many things happen. And it's not even to you, but to other people that you hear about that's so disheartening. So, um, all that is very grounding. And I think it helps you to let go of stuff. It helps you to play better in your game. It helps you to realize like, I'm gonna give my everything to this. And if I fail, that's fine. I have something bigger and better that's backing me up. And I think it just lets you be happy. So to me, that that's the biggest gift that they gave me.

• 28:53Lewis Howes?

  It is.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  I'm just like my mom, though. I've, my family joke's transformation complete. We're exactly the same. And I'm proud of that. I love being just like her, but we, we have our weaknesses. We definitely have weaknesses.

• 29:08Lewis Howes?

  What is your weakness that you think you could improve on?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Um, zero patience.

• 29:13Lewis Howes?

  Me neither.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  I can't always read the room as well as I like. And my emotional intelligence is as high as I'd like it to be. Uh, and that's not something I can fix. You're born how you are. And I just tell people, I'm empathetic, but I don't always pick out about it. Just tell me, I'll be there. Just may not know. So you gotta, you gotta let me in on some things. And, um, I think once I became aware of it, um, cause during COVID, I had a friend stay with me and like the friend came and like ate all the food, drank all the drinks, didn't get groceries. So I'm like buying food, buying drink, buying groceries. And

• 29:52Lewis Howes?

  Paying the rent, yay.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Everything, you know, cause we just, we thought it was gonna be a few weeks and it lasted months, right? It was a fun experience, but I had to learn how impatient I was. And also the standard I hold for myself is so high, but because of the standard my parents held, like we weren't even allowed to walk slow. My dad would say, a slow walker, slow thinker, you can't walk slow. So everything was fast, quick. So I learned to do things so quickly, so fast, so efficient, that then, you know, someone else is in your house and you see that they're moving so slow. You're like, this could be done in a minute. Like, what are you doing? And, you know, my house is someone else's. So I didn't, I never complained about it, but it was like, buy some groceries. Like you can't just eat all the food.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  So I learned a lot about myself and I realized that I needed to work on my EQ. And then I realized that some people had more of it and others don't. So always my family helps me understand things and situations. They're like my crutch.

• 30:50Lewis Howes?

  Are you, do you feel like you're just overly generous and not, you're not thinking, oh, is this person just taking advantage? Or just maybe they weren't thinking about contributing?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  No, not even that. But like once I was at a party and I was talking to some friends and then one of my friends came over. And when she left, everyone said, what's wrong with her? She seems horribly sad and I never saw it. And so I said, wait, let me go check on her. So I, those are things like I will never see. And it's not because I don't want to, it just goes over my head. So those, those kinds of things I've seen, I can't improve on. That's why I tell people I care about. It's like, I have this, you know, you know, this thing that it doesn't work as well as others. So just tell me everything.

• 31:31Lewis Howes?

  Sure. I'm curious about your, you know, your mindset, you know, against with someone like yourself who's accomplished so much at the highest level in the world of what you do. Can you break down a little bit on how you think before entering a big moment in your life? In your, in your sport or in the business you're building? Like, is there a process that you think about? When you're going to enter the arena of whatever you're working on?

• 32:00Lewis Howes?

  Is there a mantra, a process? Do you visualize something? Do you, do you release something? Can you just walk through a little bit about that process?

• 32:08Speaker 02

  I think the process changes depending on the moment you are in life, right? I think you have these moments as an athlete or in business or in life where you're on top of the world. You can do nothing wrong. Everything's golden. Then you like, okay, it's great. You're in a, you're in a, you're in a flow, right? And then you have other moments where it's not great. And so you have to be more cognizant of of that process, be super self-aware and really extract out what's what what you're feeling and figure out what part's real and what isn't. Because we can get the feels, right? Okay. And you have to distract like what's what is just a feeling and what is the what is the issue? Yeah. And I do that by journaling. Really? I just start writing what I'm feeling.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  And then once I start writing down all the things I'm feeling, then I'm able to recognize this is actually the one thing that's real is issue, the rest is just a bunch of other stuff that's just floating in my head. And I can get rid of the fluff and then focus on the real thing that's bothering me. I think also a lot of being about being your best is just preparation. You cannot be great without the preparation and you can't feel good about what you're doing unless you've done the work. So the greats are doing the work. They're putting in the work, day in, day out. If you're in finance, you're you're up all night reading, whatever that is that it takes to do that, being on top of your industry, thinking, literally just sitting and thinking and meditating about what you like to accomplish. And it's the same in sport, too.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  You you sit and you meditate about what you'd like to accomplish. So being great is intentional. And then when you're in a bad place, also getting out of it is also intentional, too. But it's just realizing where you are and applying what you need to succeed, no matter where you are. And I think when you're in a bad place, you just have to realize that a lot of it is also mental, too. You can just. Yeah. What I try to tell myself is that this moment, I'm anticipating what might happen that could be bad. But anticipation is just that it's not even real. Right. What if something great happened? What if something amazing could happen? What if I could make that happen?

• 34:21Speaker 02

  And it's like changing your thought around things is so powerful. And it's not easy and you have to constantly work on it, but if you put in the work, your mind will change. It's like anything else. If you go to the gym and do those biceps for six weeks, you're going to see some improvement. So if you flex your mind in a different way, instead of saying I can't for six weeks, if you say I can for six weeks, your mind goes on a completely different pathway and it's so powerful and so true. And it's not easy and you have to continually do it. Once you do it just once, it doesn't just stick. You just have to keep training your mind. And I think sometimes people forget that part, that training your mind is so important. If you want to be strong mentally, train to be strong mentally.

• 35:05Lewis Howes?

  Oh, I love that. How do you train to stay strong mentally personally?

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. First is preparation, right?

• 35:14Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Doing the preparation, that's, that's ground zero.

• 35:18Lewis Howes?

  Doing the work, putting in the reps. Yeah, yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Putting in the work, whatever that may be, you have, you have to put in the work.

• 35:24Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  So if you don't do that, you're never going to be great. You're never going to be mentally strong, or whatever it is you'd like to achieve. Once you've put in the work, then you realize what you're good at, what you're not. I mean, me personally, I think there's probably a lot of people who are smarter, who are going to get that sixteen hundred on the SAT. I'm probably not going to get the sixteen hundred. But my strength is that, you know, I'm extremely logical and, you know, I notice patterns. I'm very quick in those sorts of things. So then I have to set myself up in a way that plays to my strengths. Not everyone's going to have the same strength, not everyone's going to be good at everything, but once you've done your work and you see your strengths,

• 36:06Speaker 02

  then you've got to figure out a way to play to that. And then always, of course, work on your weaknesses over time and those at some point can come up too, until you're like this complete player, you know, ready player one. So it's just, yeah, it's like, let's play this game to win. If we're going to play, let's win. Or else there's no need to play.

• 36:24Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. I think a lot of people want to win at whatever game they're playing in life, or their career, their business, or their sport. They, they want to be more successful. They want to win. And it seems like more than ever, uh, society, at least in America, American society, it seems like everyone, or lots of people want to. Become more famous, wealthy and successful. And the more people I interview and ask about this who have fame, wealth and success. They talk about, you know, the pressures that come with that. Can you share a little bit about how you were? Did you feel like you were mentally and emotionally prepared? When you became, you know, a world icon in your sport?

• 37:09Lewis Howes?

  And you started to gain popularity, fame, success, money? Did you feel you were mentally and emotionally prepared? Or was that a challenge? Or was it, was it a lot of pressure at first?

• 37:19Speaker 02

  I think I was aware of the pressure. I started really young. My first pro match was, we're teens, so. A lot of it, though, the, the youth and inexperience is in some way a protection. You just don't really, really get it.

• 37:36Lewis Howes?

  You don't know, yeah.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Uh, but also it can go the other way too. And I think there were some matches where I, I felt pressure to perform up to maybe what I was supposed to be, like this hype. But at the end of the day, I failed sometimes. And then the failure was a lesson.

• 37:57Lewis Howes?

  Hey.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  And I learned from it. And so that was like, you know. That even though I failed, it was still a step up.

• 38:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  It wasn't a step down because I learned something. And I got more determined.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  So I think that a lot of what people want today is based on what they think other people have in social media. I think that's a lot of pressure for young people too, to be successful, like immediately. No, no one's successful that young. I was successful young, but I started playing tennis at four and I put in a decade.

• 38:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Before I even like went pro. So yes, it was young. But there was, there was, you know, millions of hours of work that happened before that happened. Nothing happens that fast.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  And really, the process is the most joy I find, right? When you, when you can't figure something out, or you do figure it, once you've figured it out and you've put in the work and you find the right process, and you're able to repeat that process over and over and over again, the sense of pride and accomplishment that you get, not from the success, but the work you put in to get there, that's where the happiness comes from.

• 39:10Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  And I think there might be a generation now that doesn't understand that, that there's so much pride in your work. Like what you do, work is a part of your happiness. You don't want to circumvent that. Uh, of, uh, that's a part of who you are, that accomplishment, accomplishing things gives you confidence and happiness. And so if you are empty, or because you haven't, you've skipped that process, then it's something to look at.

• 39:36Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Did you ever feel like you got punished after a loss?

• 39:40Speaker 02

  No, nothing was worse than the punishment that I felt like internally. You know, that my expectation of myself and I think that's a good thing and a bad thing. You gotta temper it, right? Sometimes your expectations can be, you can be so hard on yourself that you never pat yourself on the back enough. But some people aren't hard enough on theirselves, and so then they never make it. You gotta find the middle, the middle ground of like being hard, but also like recognizing the things you accomplish too.

• 40:08Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, and not holding on to it for like days or weeks of, of, you know, a loss or something.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Easier said than done. Like we hold on to our losses, whether we realize it or not. And you just have to think about, it's a new day, like

• 40:21Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  new possibility, and that's not easy.

• 40:24Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. The younger generation might have today are the confusion around how to build confidence. Uh, can you share, and I think this speaks into building a confident identity. Can you share your passion for really starting to shift the conversation from appearance to capability? And in your own personal journey, given the insights in this issue?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  It's so important. It doesn't matter what you look like. It matters what's inside of you, that you can get out to live the life that you want to live. And figuring out what that life is and that having other people's approval or none of those things really matter for, you know, it doesn't help you get out of bed. You know, the research has shown that about forty five percent of girls globally quit sports by the age of fourteen. And that's due to low body confidence.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  And when I think about what if that happened to me? I turned pro at fourteen. What if I had stopped sports at age fourteen because I didn't feel good about myself? I mean, this is literally my life. I got to play sports and change my life. And through that, and that was never my plan. I just wanted to win Wimbledon, change other people's lives. Just by doing something positive for yourself, you never know what impact you're going to have on not only yourself, but the world. I had no idea that was going to happen and just wanted to lift the trophy. Not everyone goes pro, not everyone becomes an athlete, but what you learn from sports is unparalleled.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  You cannot teach in a classroom or in a book what you learn from sports.

• 42:09Lewis Howes?

  How did you learn to build confidence during a time of maybe not feeling that confident growing up?

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Gosh, I think that's, you know, I think that's the thing is that you, you, you don't, you don't get confidence by thinking about having confidence, you know? You get confidence by action. And I never had confidence before I started wrestling. And I think that's why I was always trying to fit in or with the, with the kids that were drinking and that would make me cool. And then I'd be smoking and it would take the edge off from the self consciousness and everything that was going on at home at the time. And, and then when I was fifteen. And I had just failed PE. I was getting ready for my junior cert, which is, I'm not sure

• 42:59Speaker 03

  what the equivalent is over here, but when you're fifteen, you're doing these exams in school, that at the time, they make it seem like if you fail these, your life is over.

• 43:10Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 43:11Speaker 03

  But yeah, all the pressure that they put on you in school.

• 43:15Lewis Howes?

  This will determine the rest of your life.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly.

• 43:18Lewis Howes?

  Where you go to school and college and everything else.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  And that's how, and that's what I felt like. And at the time, even though I was a little degenerate and I wasn't doing good in school and I was drinking and I was smoking, I was doing everything that I shouldn't be doing. Like, I still had ambition. I still wanted to do something good in my life. I still wanted to be a lawyer or something productive in society. And I realized on one random Monday, when I wanted a beer, that at fifteen, that I needed to turn my life around. I needed to do something different, that I couldn't, I couldn't keep going down this pathway of failing PE and just not applying myself to

• 44:02Speaker 03

  anything. And so I started looking up like different kickboxing things, because gyms weren't a thing in Ireland back then. There was like two or something, you know, there was, there was, there was this big gym, but it was too preppy. It was too preppy and I was an alternative kid, you know, the ones with the black lipstick and the dog colors and all that kind of stuff. And so, you know, going to a gym just seemed too mainstream for me, too Jane Fonda. And so then one day I go into the computer room, because in two thousand and two, everybody had a computer room. And my brother's looking up this website and it was called Hammerlock and it was this wrestling school over in the UK. And I was

• 44:47Speaker 03

  like, what are you, what are you doing there? And he was like, well, I was thinking about training as a wrestler. Instantly, I had this jealousy, this, this, this feeling of I need to do that. And I was like, are you you're gonna go over there? And he was like, yeah, yeah. And I was like, there's no way, there's no way my mom is gonna let me go over to the UK to train. Fifteen months, so a degenerate. Like, she's aware, she's aware that I'm going off the rails. And then and then the promoter there wrote back to him to let him know that there was two Irish lads that were gonna be opening a school like an hour away from us on the train. And so that's how I found out about it. And he told me that. And I was like, oh, I wanna go too.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  Going, you have to be sixteen. And I was like, I'll lie. And he was like, no. I don't wanna have to look after my little sister. I was like, you won't have to.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  Lying. And and and I went down there and and I started. And that was it. All of a sudden, for the first time in my life, I wanted to apply myself to something. I wanted to get better at something. I saw progress in in each training session. And that built confidence. Because not only was I applying myself and getting better at something and seeing results, but I also now had this community. And I think there there and and there was also this feeling of like, I'm I'm different, which I, you know, I

• 46:23Speaker 03

  always felt a little different, you know, I wasn't wasn't a cool kid, even though I tried to be. But but but but now I had this confidence in my difference, you know? And I was the only girl there too. I was the only girl in a group of lads and I was hanging with them. Or maybe not, but I was I was there. I felt like I was. And so that gave me confidence that I could do this and I could set myself apart and and and there was something more to me. And then I just continued on there. I never thought, or not that I never thought. Maybe I had like this this suppressed dream, but I still thought I was gonna be a lawyer and do something realistic.

• 47:05Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Until I was like seventeen and it was the first time I had. Uh, played the heel role, the bad guy role. And I was teaming with my brother. And when you're heel, when you're the bad, you can do no wrong. Because you can just have fun, you can taunt the crowd, you can be an idiot. And uh.

• 47:27Lewis Howes?

  That's your job.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yes, there's such freedom in that, there's such freedom in that. Uh, and I came back and I was, this is, this is, this is what I need to do. This is what I'm meant to do, this is what I'm gonna do.

• 47:41Lewis Howes?

  At seventeen.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  At seventeen. And then by eighteen, dropped out of college, moved over to Canada, wrestled around Canada, around America, around Japan. Around Europe. My visa ran out. From Canada, I had to move back in with my mom and my mom, God bless her, like. She's only ever wanted the best for me. And the best in her eyes was not being a wrestler, especially back then, because what I wanted, what I visualized for myself was, was me being seen on par as The Rock, as Stone Cold Steve Austin, as Mick Foley, as all these lads that I looked up to. But if you watched TV and you watched how the women were booked, there was lots of brown panties matches, there was mud wrestling matches.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  That wasn't anything I wanted to do, that was certainly nothing my mother wanted me to do. And uh, and, and, and so.

• 48:35Lewis Howes?

  There was an opportunity for women to really be stars back then.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  Not.

• 48:39Lewis Howes?

  When you started.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  Not in the way that I wanted to be. Not in the way that I wanted to be. And so, so I started looking at

• 48:48Speaker 03

  the women's promotions in Japan and then I went over there and wrestled in Japan. And I got assigned to this advertising agency over there. And that wanted to promote me as this big time wrestler. But then when I came home and I had to live with my mom again, she's going, what's your plan, what's your plan, what's your plan, what's your plan, what's your plan? Because she always wanted to plan. But with wrestling and I suppose any artistic endeavor. Uh, I genuinely think wrestling is an artistic endeavor. And

• 49:18Speaker 03

  you can't necessarily plan that.

• 49:21Lewis Howes?

  Why not? Why can't you plan it?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  You can have a a rough plan, but so much is out of your control, you know. You can work towards what you want. But you you can't decide when you're when you're going to get on somebody's radar, what they're going to be looking for. You know, I think it's the same with with with, say, for example, uh, an actor. An actor can do the best audition of their life, but they might have brown hair and the person is looking for blonde hair. And so they see this great audition, but that's not what they were looking for on that day.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  And uh, and so I started to believe that if I looked a certain way, that that would give me, that that was my plan. That that is how I would get there because all these women looked like figure competitors and they were beautiful models and, you know, I was

• 50:26Speaker 03

  a regular, average looking girl with a a bit of a pair of biceps on me and decent set of shoulders. But like, at the time, you know, there was there was enhancements that were standardly involved in the hiring process. And I I didn't have them, nor did I want to get them. And uh, and and so I thought, well, if if I have abs and if I'm ripped, then if I look this way, then they'll want me. And so I kind of compare it to the Survivor song and On the Eye of the Tiger and you you you change your passion for glory. Because then my my focus shifted from just how I looked

• 51:09Speaker 03

  and how that would make, if I change how I am to make them want me as opposed to.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Being true to myself.

• 51:19Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. How long did you?

• 51:20Speaker 03

  And then wanting.

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  Wanting you for who you are.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  For who I am.

• 51:24Lewis Howes?

  So how long did you transform into someone you think they would want? How long was that process for?

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Well, it didn't last very long because I completely destroyed myself. So I started, I, I, I started bodybuilding then. I like, was like, oh, let me sign up for this bodybuilding competition. And if I can do well in this bodybuilding competition, then they'll see that.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Just the logic that goes through my head. They'll see that. And then they'll be like, oh yeah, let's sign her. Like she'll be on a magazine or something and we'll sign her that way.

• 51:59Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. How old were you then?

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Nineteen.

• 52:01Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  I was nineteen then. And I mean, maybe it would have worked if I committed to it. But anyway, the point was, I didn't know what I was doing. I was with this lad who had never trained a girl before. He was a bodybuilder himself, but he was a giant man and a giant, giant man and who had done many competitions. And he was training me and my diet, then my diet was all over the place. And then he put me onto this other guy who gave me this other diet, which then I just became amazed. And I was trying to wrestle around Japan and all this stuff. My body was just hurting. But like, I was loving how I looked in the mirror because I had these abs and I was like disciplined. And my focus was what I was gonna eat and how I was gonna train.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  And like, I had this then sense of ego, like, like, look at how disciplined I can be. I am so much better than everybody because I have this discipline. But ultimately, I was like dying on the inside because I had no energy. My moods were all over the place. I was like leering at cookbooks of what I was going to eat. When, when, when this diet finished and, and, and, and ultimately I, I ended up not being able to make it past ten weeks of this diet. There was two more weeks till the competition. I just, the guy who was trying to me suggested a cheat meal. And that was it. Then I just went completely off the rails and couldn't get back on.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  And then that, that, that.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Then became an unhealthy relationship with food for years.

• 53:37Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Years and years and years, completely destroyed how I looked at myself and everything like that and how I valued myself.

• 53:47Lewis Howes?

  How did you value yourself then?

• 53:49Speaker 03

  On how I looked suddenly, like from somebody who had gone from valuing myself on my substance and what I brought to the table in terms of wrestling and my craft, I was then just now, I was just conforming to what I thought they wanted and what society wanted. But by then, then I was like, I don't even know if I want to wrestle anymore. Maybe that dream is over. It's time to be realistic and get a real job. Then I ended up being a flight attendant.

• 54:25Lewis Howes?

  So you were wrestling, you were pursuing professional wrestling, I guess, at the time.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:31Lewis Howes?

  Then you quit to be a flight attendant?

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Then, well, then I was like, well, then I started thinking like, oh, well, maybe I'll be a fitness model because that'll be easy on my body. But I couldn't maintain it because I was so hungry. I just loved eating, like I loved eating so much. And so then that, then I became bulimic and all of these things. And it was really just, just going from being somebody who cared about, about their mind, who, who, who thought their mind was powerful to just thinking that I was a set of abs and a pair of arms, you know? And that was where I put my focus. It took a long time to shake that.

• 55:17Lewis Howes?

  How old were you when you shook it?

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Thirty five.

• 55:24Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  No, no, no, not quite, but like, I think it was a process. It was a process. It was, it was a process. Because I was a flight attendant, hated it, but was still trying. I then did the bodybuilding competition. I came third, by the way.

• 55:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Out of four.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it sounded impressive. So, so I did the bodybuilding competition, was like standing up on stage. Oh my goodness, I'm so glad they just, everybody didn't have an iPhone back then. But I, I did that and I was just like, why am I standing in my underwear showing people my muscles? Like, this, this isn't, this doesn't feel like me, you know? Because for some people, for some bodybuilders, it's such an artistic thing. They are sculpting their body, they are, they, they love it, they love the discipline of it. But for me, it was, it was some sort of a means to an end, some sort of way for me to be validated

• 56:29Speaker 03

  by society or something that, that, and it just didn't feel authentic and, and, and true to me. It just felt like I was, yeah, I was just trying to be something that I wasn't.

• 56:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  It was just consumed by, by my body will be my vessel too.

• 56:45Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  But if, if it looks a certain way, then, then I'll be successful and whatever. And then I, I, I, then I started to realize that, like, the part of wrestling that I loved, it wasn't just the training, it was the performance. I loved the performance, I loved the crowd, I loved the creativity, I loved the storytelling. And I think throughout my whole life, I found that storytelling is what draws me more than anything. Like, in school, I was terrible at every subject except English and history, because it was just stories. Like, it was, it was hearing stories and, and, and learning about these stories. And I rocked at those

• 57:25Speaker 03

  subjects, terrible at everything else. And, and, and, and, and so then I, I went back to school to study acting and.

• 57:33Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. Is this in London now or where is this?

• 57:36Speaker 03

  This is in Dublin.

• 57:37Lewis Howes?

  Oh, so I'm at, yeah, yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm kind of all over the place. But like at twenty-two, I went back to college, studied acting in, in Dublin and then did a year in Chicago. And that felt like. Okay, now, now I'm back. Now I'm back a little bit. And then it, it, it, it seemed more like I was part of a creative endeavor than.

• 57:59Lewis Howes?

  Really? When you're doing the acting?

• 58:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 58:01Lewis Howes?

  Where did you feel like you were not connecting with in that first year? Was it the story aspect?

• 58:08Speaker 03

  The story part was what helped me. That's what saved my job.

• 58:10Lewis Howes?

  What kept you in it?

• 58:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, because Dusty Rhodes was the promo teacher at the time. And Dusty like loved his, his broken toys. The ones that were like rough around the edges, but he saw that had some soul or something, something about them. Just, just a little something, just a spark. And he, he tried to bring that out. And so I didn't know. I didn't know who I wanted to be. I did, everybody was like, find a character, find a character, find a character. So I try out all these stupid characters.

• 58:40Lewis Howes?

  None of them worked.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  And of course, none of them worked. They were all awful. But like, but it, but it was, it was the trying, it was the.

• 58:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  It was the being able to put yourself out there and throw it at the wall and see what sticks.

• 58:55Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  Nothing stuck. But, but, but, but I tried and I kept, I kept trying. And I think he valued the creativity more than, more than the outcome. Because if somebody came in, they were the total package.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  I can point to, there's a wrestler called LA Knight at the time. Who, right now, is making big waves in wrestling. But at the time, he was down there, we started on the same day. And he had everything. He had it just down. He had it down, you know? So Dusty had no more.

• 59:28Lewis Howes?

  He was great, yeah.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Dusty was like, yeah, you're great. But he had no more work to do because he already had his act down. Whereas somebody like me was completely lost, completely screwed. Had, and, and, and I think, I think, I think there was a combination of, of Dusty and William Regal. That saved my job.

• 59:47Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Many, many times because they saw that there was something, something there in this Irish girl that had not a clue.

• 59:56Lewis Howes?

  So.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  That had not a clue because I didn't like look like any of these other girl that were like stunners. And I wasn't great in the ring, but there was something when I talked that.

• 1:00:08Lewis Howes?

  Was unique, was different.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  That was unique, yeah.

• 1:00:10Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. Is it like six days a week training?

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  It was so it was like five days a week and then we would do three shows. So you'd do Monday, Tuesday, you would do a school session, which is you'd watch matches, but then there'd be extra training.

• 1:00:25Lewis Howes?

  Gosh, that would have been so fun.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  The watching the matches?

• 1:00:28Lewis Howes?

  Just, I mean, that whole experience, just like being a full-time athlete, training, watching, testing, trying, just like.

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  In hindsight.

• 1:00:37Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  In hindsight, great.

• 1:00:38Lewis Howes?

  But during it was.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  But I remember that. That was one of the things that Triple H would always say, you know, because he was head of developmental and he was always enjoy this, enjoy this, this is never gonna be. And there was times when I would feel like I was in a Rocky movie and you know, like I'd get that like, and you could enjoy it, but the other part of it was not sleeping because you were always scared that you were going to be on the chopping block.

• 1:01:01Lewis Howes?

  You could be cut like every week.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. There was, they, we called it Black Friday. And you'd come in, you'd get pulled into the office and that was it and your dream would be over. And, uh, you know, I had several friends that, that got cut and, and it was devastating. And my friend Joe, the reason that I got signed in the first place, who I lived with, he got cut. And so that was a whole new world to navigate.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  But, but so once, once the fear of not being cut subsided, then you could enjoy it more.

• 1:01:38Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  But when you were scared that you were going to get fired every other day, not enjoyable, not enjoyable at all.

• 1:01:44Lewis Howes?

  So when did you feel like? I'm making it. Like, when did you feel like, okay, I'm actually making it, I don't know, in my sport, in society, culturally, financially? When was the moment from ten years ago to like, I'm arriving?

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  So I think it was shortly after that. Shortly after the breakdown, shortly after the breakdown of, okay, wait, I'm not a bad person. And then I remember coming into promo class, not doing a character, but just cutting an angry promo of, of, of, I am sick of it. I put in all of this work. I have done this. I have done that. I have done this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and, and, and, and this is why I deserve a shot. This is why I need to be on TV. And I remember cutting that promo. And then like people like seeing a bit more of an edge and it wasn't just a, hi, yeah, please don't fire me. Hi, hi, hi, hi. I'm, I'm so happy to be here.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Like, there was, there was this, there was now this weird confidence and this, um, I wasn't so meek anymore. Like, I had a chip on my shoulder and I was ready to fight. And then things started to, to, to happen there. And like, then I got on TV. One of the worst debuts of all time.

• 1:02:59Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, terrible. I came out there doing this stupid Irish jig and I can't, I can't the Irish jig.

• 1:03:08Lewis Howes?

  You tried to dance.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tried, tried.

• 1:03:12Lewis Howes?

  You tried to do the Irish dance.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Tried to do the Irish, like, as, as hammed up as possible.

• 1:03:17Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Shameless, just shameless. But like, at the time, there was this, this girl, Emma, she was doing this wacky dance. And it was like, okay, well, like, wackiness is getting people on TV. There was, there were just wacky characters left, right and center. Because that was the thing about the developmental system down there. You got the chance to be wacky and you got the chance to try things and fail. And so I failed epically, publicly.

• 1:03:45Lewis Howes?

  On TV?

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  On TV.

• 1:03:47Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  That lives on forever. That will never be erased from history. But hey, if you can come back from that, you can come back from anything.

• 1:03:55Lewis Howes?

  As a girl.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  And, and so. The greatest part of it was like, I didn't even realise how awful it was until like, a few nights later.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  And like, I remember seeing Triple H and being like, what did you think? As if he was like, oh yeah, that was amazing.

• 1:04:12Lewis Howes?

  You dominated.

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the audience loved me. They were still, they were real positive to me. I think, come on, like I was a little idiot. Like, suppose you couldn't really boo me, like, God bless her, you know, what did she think? What was she thinking? Look at this fool. Um, but, uh, but yeah, and then, and then, uh, and then I tried various different things. But I remember, I remember after that, and then just having this different perspective and this gratitude that I was able to

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  pay my bills. And the food in my fridge was bought by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And the roof over my head was paid for by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And I was driving a car with the money that I'd made from wrestling. And like, I were just driving with just tears of gratitude that I could afford these things with the money that I'd made from wrestling. Because it, I've never felt like money that I've made from wrestling is real money. You know, it just doesn't feel like real money because I'm not working, you know?

• 1:05:20Lewis Howes?

  You're having fun.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm having fun. I love, I love what I do. I love what I do.

• 1:05:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  I love it. I love it. And sometimes, and sometimes it's hard and sometimes there's so many opinions and there's, you know, like our wrestling fans, they're so vocal and they're so great. But you know, you take the good with the bad. So sometimes you're getting lots of negative opinions on what you're doing or you're getting. And so, or you, or you think creative should be this way, or you should be booked that way. And so you can get bogged down in those things. When it comes to the creative process and I'm putting together a match or I am thinking about a promo.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  I don't think there's anything bar like playing with my child that makes me feel more alive. Like I just, I love it so much. And I love just like something coming to me and building from that, you know, just these little seeds of ideas. Like, what if we try this, you know, what if we try this, maybe this will work. And maybe it'll be awful, but that's the greatest thing about wrestling is that you, because we do it 52 weeks a year, because we're on the road constantly, you get to try and fail so often. But you get to try and succeed so often too.

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  And you never know which way it's gonna go, but if you keep trying, you know, sometimes you hit gold. Sometimes you don't, sometimes you think something's gold and other people don't and, but that's art, right? Like you do the art for what you want to do. And then whatever the audience takes out of it is up to them.

• 1:07:06Lewis Howes?

  Big WWE fan, Rick Rubin, we had on the show.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  I love Rick.

• 1:07:10Lewis Howes?

  And he talks about what you just said, making art for you. And writing in your journal and your diary, the things that are meaningful for you, your art, not worrying what people are gonna think about it, but having the courage to put it out there and allowing others to see it as well. That's like part of the process.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Lewis Howes?

  And he's a big fan, isn't he?

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  Oh, he's huge wrestling fan. Yeah, yeah. And his book is.

• 1:07:36Lewis Howes?

  It's amazing. Have you read it? Yeah, it's so good.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Read it, listened to it.

• 1:07:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, he's great.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I love, cause I just like, sometimes I just, I'm like, okay, what do I need right now?

• 1:07:47Lewis Howes?

  Universe, tell me, yeah.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then of course, it's exactly what you need in that moment. I love it. And but it is, it is that, but the other thing about wrestling, which is so different from any other artistic endeavor, like writing a book. You have it, you, you, you can take your time, you know, if you're writing a script or whatever, maybe like a movie or a song, if you have an album, but like, say if you're writing a song, you can just take your time to do that. Wrestling, we ain't, we ain't got time. Like this show is gonna go live on TV.

• 1:08:21Lewis Howes?

  We gotta make it happen now.

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  8pm and if at 7pm you don't have something, you better find something, cause we're, we're, we're gonna go live.

• 1:08:29Lewis Howes?

  Have you ever not felt like you were prepared before going live and having to come up with something on the spot?

• 1:08:34Speaker 03

  A million times.

• 1:08:35Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, because now it's different. But it used to be, back in the day, the show would be getting rewritten while the show was going on. Live, in front of people. So you would have like, an idea of what you're going to say, and then somebody comes up, no, no, no, no, no, you have to say this. Find a way to put this in, and so you're, okay, going out the curtain and changing things.

• 1:08:59Lewis Howes?

  Really? As you're going out.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:01Lewis Howes?

  You have to evolve what you're gonna say.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. And sometimes, and that's happened like, several times, but it's really exciting.

• 1:09:09Lewis Howes?

  It's scary but exciting at the same time.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it's chaos.

• 1:09:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  And it's chaos. And so whatever comes out is great, because you can't, it's just organic, it's just in the moment.

• 1:09:19Lewis Howes?

  It's the ultimate yes and experience.

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Yes, I love it, it's so exciting. Because you don't know what's gonna happen, but something's gonna happen. There's been so many times when I've had like, we're putting together a match, but we haven't had the time. And so like, you're going out and you think that you have something, but you're not sure, and you're not sure if everybody else is on the same page. But you go out there and something happens. Something's gonna happen, because something has to happen.

• 1:09:44Lewis Howes?

  And based on what happens, they might rewrite the next thing, and the next thing, and it just keeps evolving, huh?

• 1:09:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because you never go out there and nothing happens.

• 1:09:51Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  Because that can't happen, because that would be weird. You're like, people aren't just going to stand in the rain, and wait to be told what to do.

• 1:10:00Lewis Howes?

  Someone's gonna say something and hit someone, and it's gonna go to the next person, yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  And we're just gonna go, because that's what has to happen.

• 1:10:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Speaker 03

  So it's such a...

• 1:10:08Lewis Howes?

  They'll throw you out there, you just figure it out, yeah.

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  It's such an exciting, addictive business.

• 1:10:12Lewis Howes?

  Wow, that's exciting. I told you, I've never been to a show, so I gotta come and watch you.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  You gotta come, it's the best.

• 1:10:18Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious, when is there a moment, and you've had so many different matches, over the last, you know, ten, fifteen years? When was the match, or the moment, that you were in the most flow? That you felt like one hundred percent authentic to you? That the words were flowing, the movement was flowing, like it was all connecting and the audience was connected to you.

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  Gosh, I suppose there's several. Like recently, recently I had a match with Trish Stratus, it was a cage match. And it, it, it just felt like, yeah, I'm so present. Everything that needs to happen is happening. And that was back in September. And so that's like, there's like these big matches that stand out because it, you know, it'll often happen on live events and different things, but there's these big moments, these big events built around it. And then the, a match that I had with Bianca Belair, WrestleMania 38, one of my favorite matches, one of my favorite stories, um, leading up to it.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  And I was the bad guy and I loved it. I loved it, I was having so much fun and she was, she's this great athlete and this great baby face and she can do everything. And, and I was getting to, because I'd robbed the title from her, essentially like I'd, I'd underhandedly beat her.

• 1:11:44Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  And I was going to be able to give her back her championship. She would beat me for it, wasn't handing it over.

• 1:11:51Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  She would beat me for it. But it was that, you know, her redemption story and that was, that was so fun to be a part of. And then there was another match that I had in 2018 with Charlotte Flair, it was the last woman standing. And that one stands out because I remember it being the first match where I felt confident in it, in the moment. I can do no wrong.

• 1:12:17Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:19Lewis Howes?

  What year is this?

• 1:12:20Speaker 03

  That's 2018.

• 1:12:21Lewis Howes?

  2018, okay.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:23Lewis Howes?

  I want people to get your book, it's beautiful stories, lessons, uh, about someone from, you know, really a small town, small country who was able to become one of the biggest stars in the world. And all the different life lessons and stories along the way, which are really inspiring. So I want people to get a copy of your book, The Man, Not Your Average, Average Girl. Make sure you guys check this out by Rebecca Quinn. Really inspiring stuff and just some really cool stories in here that I think people will like, whether you're into WWE or not, you know? Again, I've never been to a match, but I thought all this stuff was fascinating. So I'm, I'm coming, one of these days, I'm gonna be there. I have three final questions for you, Rebecca.

• 1:13:02Lewis Howes?

  The first one is called the three truths. It's a hypothetical question. So I'd like you to imagine, if you can, a moment, that you get to live as long as you want in this world. But it's your last day, many years away. You get to pick as old as you want to be. But eventually, you gotta turn the lights off for yourself. And in this hypothetical world, you have to take everything with you. So no one has access to this book, our conversation, any piece of content that's ever been out. Anything you create from this moment moving forward, it has to go with you when you leave. But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. Three things you know to be true, and that's all you would ever be able to leave behind to everyone else.

• 1:13:48Lewis Howes?

  What would be those three truths for you?

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  To believe in yourself.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  My dad said something, and it's from the Bible, but he misquoted it. But I, and it's a quote that I use in this book too. And he misquoted it, but I like his version better. And it's, if you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will complete you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will destroy you.

• 1:14:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  And I love that. I love that. It's essentially being authentic to whatever it is inside.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  And the other one, the third one.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  I will use the most polite language that I can. Just don't be... Just, just, just be nice to people. Be good to one another, you know? I think that's what we need in this world more than anything. And if you want an outlet for people not being good to each other, watch wrestling. Watch wrestling, where they're not being nice to each other.

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  But it's agreed upon.

• 1:15:08Lewis Howes?

  It's contained.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  It's contained. It's contained and it's controlled. Because I think, I think more than ever, especially in a world where negativity is a hot commodity, where the algorithm loves it. It is more important, where we thought that we left the bullies in the schoolyard, but we don't. They're online every day. They're constantly telling you. They're constantly chirping in their opinions. I think we need, more than ever, just to be good to one another.

• 1:15:39Lewis Howes?

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• 1:16:24Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.