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This episode explores the complex ways labels shape our lives, relationships, and identities. In the first story, producer Hannah Joffe-Walt follows Marie, a certified nursing assistant in Boston who has lived and worked under Temporary Protected Status for 12 years, as the Trump administration's termination of TPS for Haitians forces her and 300,000 others out of their jobs quietly and abruptly. Next, comedian Janet McNamara recounts her multi-decade quest to understand her social struggles, navigating corporate accounting jobs, stand-up comedy, and repeated autism evaluations before finally receiving a diagnosis that reframed how she interacts with the world. Finally, writer Alfred Jung Lee reflects on the challenge of describing his late wife, moving from external distinctions and medical markers to the ordinary, shared humanity beneath them.
The stories examine how official and unofficial labels carry heavy social and psychological weight, often defining how people are treated by institutions and how they view themselves. Listeners will find a moving, nuanced exploration of bureaucracy, neurodivergence, and grief.
The show opens with a brief promo for a livestreamed episode and a sponsor message from AT&T.
A sponsorship spot from Capella University promotes their FlexPath learning format.
Tobin Lo introduces the first narrative about Sarah and Ethan, detailing their post-relationship dating and emotional dynamics.
The conversation shifts to the couple’s avoidance of labels, the emotional weight of labeling, and the impact on their relationship and family.
The host introduces the second story about TPS, focusing on Marie, a Haitian CNA whose status is ending.
The narrative follows Marie’s day at the nursing home, the quiet process of her TPS termination, and the emotional toll on her and coworkers.
The episode opens with a brief introduction and the host, Tobin Low, announcing Ira Glass’s return next week.
The show transitions to the third act, detailing comedian Janet McNamara’s experience seeking an autism diagnosis and its effect on her career and identity.
The episode concludes with final sponsor spots, acknowledgments, and a brief reflection on the power of labels.
Ira Glass introduces himself and sets the stage for the upcoming story about life on an aircraft carrier.
Avoiding Relationship Labelsinsight
A couple in their 40s consciously chooses not to use boyfriend and girlfriend labels to avoid unwanted expectations and tunnel-like commitments.
An employer struggles to find a discreet way to remove his best certified nursing assistant from the schedule after her TPS status is revoked.
Vibes-Based Immigration Statusinsight
Temporary Protected Status operates without an appeals process or clear guidelines, functioning more like executive discretion than structured immigration policy.
An administrator waits until late afternoon to pull a 12-year nursing veteran into a private room and take her off the schedule.
Missing the Criteriastory
After a thorough three-day evaluation, a doctor denies an autism diagnosis solely because shirt tags do not bother the patient.
Unremarkable Medical Scansstory
A writer reflects on the profound relief of hearing four medical scans described as unremarkable after years of cancer treatment.
“Labels, they're powerful. They can distill you down to a single word, can get stuck on you without your permission.”
“When I started here in 2014, my salary was very low. Every year, they saw the way I'm working and the work I've done, and every year, they gave me more.”
“The temporary label plays an important role in the US immigration system for something called temporary-protected status, TPS.”
Labels are powerful. They can distill you down to a single word. They can get stuck on you without your permission. And sometimes, when they get taken away, they can upend your entire life. On this episode: labels and the havoc they wreak. Visit thisamericanlife.org/lifepartners https://thisamericanlife.supercast.com?utm_id=lifepartners&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=shownotes to sign up for our premium subscription. (00:00:00) Prologue: Sara and Ethan have been dating for 10 months. They see each other at least once a week, text pretty much every day, and have been there for each other through hard times. But they refuse to have the “what are we?” conversation. So what gives? Guest host Tobin Low looks into it. (5 minutes) (00:05:14) Act One: Last week, when Temporary Protected Status, also known as TPS, was cut off for Haitian immigrants, some 300,000 people had their lives upended. Marie, a Certified Nursing Assistant in Boston, was one of them. Producer Chana Joffe-Walt spent time last week with Marie as she tried to figure out exactly when her very last day on the job would be. (21 minutes) (00:27:57) Act Two: Comedian Janet McNamara was walking off stage 15 years ago when the club owner asked, “Hey, have you ever been tested for autism?” No one had ever asked her this before, so Janet decided to look into it. (17 minutes) (00:44:01) Act Three: When you get down to it, labels are just our way of pointing out what we think is remarkable about other people. That’s Alfred Jung Lee’s argument. He’s been thinking a lot about how we describe each other, especially as he tries to describe his wife, who passed away from cancer. (10 minutes) Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.org https://www.thisamericanlife.org/895/transcript / This American Life privacy policy https://www.thisamericanlife.org/page/privacy-policy. / Learn more about sponsor message choices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices.
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