Behind the Scenes Minis: Petra Peccadillo

Tracy expands on her frustration with coverage of the Petra find. She then discusses selecting topics for Unearthed! that delight her, and Holly shares a personal unearthing. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:04Holly Frey?

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• 1:35Holly Frey?

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• 2:08Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 2:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy P. Wilson.

• 2:21Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  This week was unearthed week in a behind the scenes sense. Most of this, these two installments of unearthed were written back before the holidays. Because I wanted to take some time off at the end of the year. I had gotten all of the unearthed ready to go. And then the plan was that I would return to the office on the 6th of January. I would go through the news and see what had come out between in, you know, the mid-December, mid-late December timeline and January. And I would add in anything that needed to be added in. That actually worked really well, but what also happened was I just entirely forgot

• 3:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  anything that I had written prior. So I was coming at it, reading it as though someone else had written it. And in some cases, finding truly hilarious typos that I had made back before the holiday. Like when I typed walrus ivory as walrus Ivy.

• 3:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which I found very funny. There were some things that came up in the news that I wanted to include, but I became so confused about what the researchers were actually trying to say that I was like, I can't put this in there. Like there was one, there was some research about the domestication of maize. And I just couldn't figure out what the results were. Even going to the original paper, the results are just incomprehensible to me. Anyway, Petra.

• 4:06Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 4:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, we determined mostly during ad break time when Holly and I were just discussing things and stuff that was cut out on the episode, uh, that I found this deeply annoying.

• 4:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  But, but Holly, you do not totally understand my annoyance at it.

• 4:26Holly Frey?

  I understand your logic for being annoyed. I 100% get that.

• 4:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay. Yeah.

• 4:32Holly Frey?

  But I, I think, like, to me, it's not annoying because I understand the way that they're just trying to like shorthand recognition of the site for readers that are not maybe steeped in historical knowledge.

• 4:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah. So I think, uh, like, I absolutely understand that the role of a headline writer is to write a headline that will get people to read the thing. Like, that's the purpose. And I think it's probably possible to write a headline that alludes to Indiana Jones without making it sound like that Indiana Jones is the only important thing about Petra, because some of the headlines that were about this read like Indiana Jones filming, like tomb found at Indiana Jones filming location. And that was like the sum of the, the sum of the headline.

• 5:30Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 5:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, which makes it sound like that could have happened on the back lot somewhere.

• 5:36Holly Frey?

  I, yeah, I see that. I will say this, though. I don't know, and maybe I'm just lacking creativity in this moment. I'm not even saying that's a good headline, but I am saying that I don't know how you would shorthand what Petra is.

• 5:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:51Holly Frey?

  In a headline that would make people understand what it is.

• 5:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 5:55Holly Frey?

  Cause it is. Super cool and super weird and beautiful.

• 6:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I don't think we have an episode on Petra. And I don't think prior hosts did a Petra episode either. Uh, it's definitely not one I remember seeing in the many times that I've been looking at old episodes for some reason. Um, but Petra has been used as a filming location in a lot of films.

• 6:23Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  And, uh, often it's supposed to be this like mysterious, almost incomprehensible place. Um, and so it's, uh, it's, that's sort of become connected to like the popular conception of it. I think probably of all of the many movies that have been, um, filmed there, probably Indiana Jones. Like most cultural sticking power, if that makes sense.

• 6:56Holly Frey?

  Yeah, I mean, if you said Mortal Kombat Annihilation filming site, I don't know that most people are gonna be like, I know exactly the place you're talking about.

• 7:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. I think maybe The Mummy Returns a little more memorable than that, just in part because of how the mummy became its own kind of cultural.

• 7:17Holly Frey?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, not to the, like, just the juggernaut of Indiana Jones. Um, anyway, the, uh, I saw headlines that were almost exclusively referencing Indiana Jones numerous times. Uh, before I actually saw an article that, uh, I was like, oh, this find is actually interesting without even the, the connection to Indiana Jones. Um, and then I was like, okay, I'll put it in Unearthed, but I'm gonna comment that I'm annoyed by the reporting.

• 7:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's a, it seems maybe not all the time, but there've been a lot of times there's been like one particular news story that gets, is being reported over and over and over again in the same way. And that way starts to annoy me. Or in this case, from jump annoyed me.

• 8:14Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 8:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Holly Frey?

  I get it.

• 8:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Holly Frey?

  We all, we all have our peccadilloes.

• 8:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  We do, we do. Maybe there will be a future Petra episode. I don't know. I don't know. A lot of the things that we talked about this time, and part of it is just my own selection bias, because I was working on this in the late December time, a time that is very busy trying to get ready to have some time off. Also, a number kind of stressful things happening in the world going on.

• 8:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  I tended toward the things that just struck me as delightful more than the ones that are horrifying.

• 8:58Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 8:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I mean, some of the things that we talked about are things that are either horrifying or related to horrifying things in history. But I was also just like, man, I love talking about the cat kneading on a piece of pottery as it was drying. I love all the things that were about bread.

• 9:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  I love all of the things that were about, you know, these letters. I, even though I don't love the sexism that Ada Lovelace was having to deal with.

• 9:30Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 9:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  The, the tone of the letters being like, hey, just curious. My husband wants to know.

• 9:40Holly Frey?

  I'm, I'm just a foolish lady. I don't know anything. By the way, here's a complex math equation.

• 9:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Here's, here's something incredibly complicated that I'm asking you about.

• 9:51Holly Frey?

  I kind of want there to be like, um, this, as soon as I saw that in your outline, my brain was like, there needs to be like a TV series called Miscellaneous 19. And it's like. All of the secret things Ada Lovelace was doing to try to like, do all of her projects without ruffling any feathers of people that might be confused by her being a woman who was, you know, incredibly smart.

• 10:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:19Holly Frey?

  Anyway, that's just the show that now runs in my head for free.

• 10:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I would watch that. That's

• 10:24Holly Frey?

  miscellaneous nineteen.

• 10:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sounds very fun.

• 10:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  I want more William Blake distracted doodling.

• 10:33Holly Frey?

  Yes.

• 10:36Holly Frey?

  I love William Blake.

• 10:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:38Holly Frey?

  I also like that we got some Bram Stoker.

• 10:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:41Holly Frey?

  Have you happened to read that short story?

• 10:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  No, I did not.

• 10:46Holly Frey?

  It's super creepy.

• 10:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, really?

• 10:49Holly Frey?

  It's about, it starts out sort of like, it seems sort of sweet. It's like, there's a man talking to children about murder and death and what all of that means. And then the children, it kind of takes a turn and the kids are, are not the good guys. I'll tell you that.

• 11:07Holly Frey?

  But it's quite lovely. I'm in a very Bram Stoker place right now.

• 11:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 11:11Holly Frey?

  Because the new Nosferatu came out.

• 11:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 11:16Holly Frey?

  So I, of course, went on Christmas Day, as you do.

• 11:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:19Holly Frey?

  Which I quite enjoyed.

• 11:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 11:21Holly Frey?

  Some people are not loving it. It's a little too sexy. They weren't ready.

• 11:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 11:25Holly Frey?

  Some people in our theater were not ready. There was a group of like 20 something dudes that were not prepared for the sex and they kind of giggled nervously through the whole thing.

• 11:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 11:34Holly Frey?

  And I was like, oh, oh, babies. Vampires inherently have a lot of sexual connotation, but

• 11:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  This is reminding me of the time that I saw The Watchmen in an IMAX theater. And

• 11:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  there were some folks behind me who were unprepared for the full frontal male nudity.

• 11:55Holly Frey?

  Yeah, in IMAX.

• 11:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  In IMAX, yeah.

• 11:58Holly Frey?

  But anyway, that, having seen that again, has now like sent me down all of the, the rabbit holes of Dracula and Nosferatu. And I revisited Powers of Darkness, which is the English translation of the Icelandic translation of Dracula that is quite different in some ways, which really may actually be

• 12:22Holly Frey?

  The Icelandic translation of the Swedish translation of Dracula, which may have been changed by Bram Stoker himself. Anyway, I'm in the midst of a whole Bram Stoker moment. So I was very pleased that Jibbit Hill came up, although I was not sure how to pronounce Jibbit Hill.

• 12:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, and I just, I think that's right. I don't know. So often I don't, we've talked about pronunciations on the show. In my opinion, they are one of the hardest things.

• 12:49Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  About the show. Because we are typically, like, we're trying to get a native speaker of something, saying it correctly. And sometimes there are native speakers of something that are not saying it correctly. We don't really have a way of knowing that. Sometimes there's like a bunch of differences regionally in how someone says a thing. Sometimes we just do our best and we get it wrong. And that was one that I didn't even think to look up, whether, like, how people pronounced the G.

• 13:25Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 13:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which is a thing.

• 13:33Speaker 03

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• 13:35Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 16:21Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 16:41Speaker 06

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• 17:15Holly Frey?

  I have my own personal unearth.

• 17:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, tell me.

• 17:18Holly Frey?

  If you want it, please. So as you may recall, as we were talking about sewing back when we recorded before you left in one of our behind the scenes, I mentioned a sewing magazine.

• 17:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  And a pattern.

• 17:35Holly Frey?

  With a, it's really multiple patterns of like

• 17:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  The sound is so cute.

• 17:38Holly Frey?

  Koala siblings that I have been looking for. And I even said, like, if anybody knows where this is. And you have been out, so I have been doing QA on everything in the last couple of weeks while you were gone. And when we got to that, I was like, I'm going to go search it again. And I, I did, still didn't find anything. And then I just started putting weird nonsense words, semi nonsense words together, right? Like koalas, Christmas, vintage, which turned up a lot of one particular pattern that is not this.

• 18:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  Not it.

• 18:14Holly Frey?

  But was like a pattern you would buy like in a pattern envelope, not from a magazine.

• 18:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Holly Frey?

  And then I was doing some version of that. I don't remember what the exact key string I did. And it did not turn up the pattern, but it turned up an image of a magazine that did not have the koalas on it. And it was an Etsy listing, but bless this Etsy seller who had clearly keyworded it and also had scanned in pictures of most of the primary items within the magazine. And I'm paging through and I'm paging through and I'm paging through. And then there were Kirby and Katie. So I have, it's not in my clutches yet. It's gonna come like

• 18:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's on the way.

• 18:58Holly Frey?

  Tomorrow while I'm out of town on a business trip, but it's coming. And then I'm gonna make, and I, I, it was also the first time in, I don't know, 30 plus years that I saw it. Because like when my mom passed, she was a little bit of a sewing hoarder. I come by it honestly. And I specifically looked for this magazine and I could not find it. And so I had this image in my head of what it was, and there it was. And it was the same. It was in the McCall's Creative Crafts Christmas Bazaar magazine of 1983. I was two years off on my guests when we talked about it. But it's as cute as I remember.

• 19:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  So good.

• 19:37Holly Frey?

  It's both of the koalas, plus their koala baby sister, plus their koala baby sister's little bitty koala plush. Plus a blanket that you applique that goes with them, plus their duffel bags I talked about, plus a train made of felt. Like I'm obsessed. I'm making these things. It's gonna be like. If anybody wants to follow along, I'm sure my Instagram will be full of koala plush things for the, for the foreseeable future. Cause you know, I'm gonna make them seasonal outfits. They're gonna have Halloween costumes. I don't know how I'm gonna integrate them with all of my Star Wars stuff, but I will. They're, yeah. I, my inner child has become so healed over finding this one thing.

• 20:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 20:21Holly Frey?

  Even more than I would have anticipated.

• 20:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  This is really reminding me of something that I read while I was out on the break, which was a story about somebody trying to find a story they had read when they were a child. And for years, doing a very similar thing of like searching, like once search became a thing that you could do, searching, trying to find this story, trying to find the story, trying to find the story, failing to find the story. Um, and doing this sort of every year and the, uh, this person chronicled the whole, the whole thing, uh, in a piece on Substack called 12th Night Till Candlemas, the story of a 40 year book quest and of its remarkable ending.

• 21:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  And it was very similar of like trying to find this story remembered from childhood and just not being able to do it. And the person, uh, who did finally, uh, finally find the story and said, hey, by chance, is this the story, um, was, uh, was a librarian.

• 21:28Holly Frey?

  Librarians to the wind, man.

• 21:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  This is what, uh, librarian, this person also had two different experiences where, I think it was two different experiences where, uh, somebody was like, is this it? And the thing that was like, is this it was, uh, an AI generated thing that was not it.

• 21:45Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, but librarians, amazing librarian found it.

• 21:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh, using sort of a similar process to what you just said of like, kind of tweaking the search terms and winding up in the right place. So good.

• 22:00Holly Frey?

  Kirby and Katie come in everybody's way.

• 22:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  So exciting.

• 22:03Holly Frey?

  I'm so stupidly excited.

• 22:06Holly Frey?

  My husband was just like, you are crying. And I was like, I know, like bless him. He has had to have me, I'm gazing at this picture on my phone until it comes. That this person, and I just keep showing it to him and he's like, uh huh. I've, I've seen the felt train. That's great, babe.

• 22:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 22:24Holly Frey?

  I don't, I don't even understand why I'm so excited about it. I just am.

• 22:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  I really love this.

• 22:32Tracy V. Wilson?

  If folks are wanting an update about whether I have seen the six triple eight movie, I have not yet.

• 22:38Holly Frey?

  Oh yeah, I was wondering.

• 22:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I did not get to watch it while I was at my parents' house. And then when I got home. I had a number, like, we had a number of adult household things that we wanted to do around my, around the house I was home. We got a fraction of those things done. And I got sucked back into a video game that I used to play a long time ago, and I spent a long time playing the video game. And I can't play video games right before bedtime because it interferes with my sleep. I have to

• 23:09Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 23:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  do something else.

• 23:11Holly Frey?

  I can understand that.

• 23:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so I would turn off video game, and I would see if there was maybe a little something that I wanted to, like, watch a short episode of television or something. And whenever I would open Netflix, the thing it would show me would be like, you might enjoy this movie, the six triple eight. And I'd be like, I can't start a movie now. I'm going to bed.

• 23:31Holly Frey?

  You're like, I might enjoy that movie, but now is not the time. Thank you.

• 23:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  So at some point, I will watch it, but I still have not. So, yeah.

• 23:40Holly Frey?

  Oh.

• 23:43Holly Frey?

  All of the updates on the things we discussed three weeks ago.

• 23:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yep, yep. So whatever's coming up on the next couple of days for you, whether it's your weekend, whether you gotta go to work, whatever, I hope everything is going great. We're just a couple of weeks into the new year. I hope the new year is treating everyone well. We'll be back tomorrow with the Saturday Classic. We will have something brand new on Monday.

• 24:15Tracy V. Wilson?

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• 24:30Holly Frey?

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