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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So what's happening, man? How are you?

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Everything's groovy as could be. I'm happy to be in Austin. I love it here, you know?

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun place.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I stay here, so...

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do you?

• 0:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, I don't know. It's like, just, it's just a special place in this country.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I agree. It's perfect because it's like a blue city in a red state. It's like, even the really kooky liberal people are pretty reasonable in comparison to like, the kooky liberal people from California or New York.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  It's balanced.

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Kooky liberals. Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that lately.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  Did you get a lot of that after Saturday Night Live? A lot of kooky liberals coming your way?

• 0:56Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, exactly. That's a good transition.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  That monologue was great, by the way.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I got a lot of blowback, as I knew I would, you know, because...

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  Because you told the truth.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. I, you know, it's just that you don't want to say anything negative about vaccines, which I didn't. What I was talking about in that monologue was, was really about profiteering.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Okay? So, World War II? Necessary. Everyone could say that was a necessary war. Let's say that this war on microbes was a necessary war, right? Why is anyone profiteering?

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Why did, you know, FISA get to make $100 billion in 2021?

• 1:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Why did the government profit off of it?

• 1:56Speaker 02

  The profiteering of war is just wrong. Like, okay, if you say that it has to be, there's conflicts happening right now, I disagree with. But I'm wondering, why are people making money off of it? You know? Even if you think you have a legitimate vantage point from the other side of it. Why does someone get to make so much fricking money off of it?

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. It's the dirtiest aspect of human beings. They'll find a way to profiteer off of everything. Everything and anything, even if it's just, and they'll prolong just things in order to make more profit.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I'm sure you know that, you know, Richard Nixon knew it was imperative that the war continue. You know, the Vietnam War, back before he got elected, you know?

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  He didn't want that to get settled.

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  And there's a great phone call, I don't know if you've listened to any of Johnson's phone calls.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Lyndon Johnson.

• 3:01Joe Rogan?

  What, what phone call?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  There was a phone call he had with Nixon saying, hey, man. You're going against the peace. Because he was trying to get a peace to go before the sixty-eight election, right? Which he eventually just bailed out of anyway, because he could see he was gonna lose it, Johnson.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Any, I don't, you know, maybe you haven't.

• 3:27Joe Rogan?

  No, I've never heard that conversation between Nixon and Johnson.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  It's an incredible conversation, and Nixon's like, oh, I wouldn't do that, I would never, you know? And of course, he was doing that, he was subverting the peace process, you know? In the same way that, you know, they wanted to make sure Carter didn't get those, you know, those guys released. In Iran.

• 3:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I always wondered about the Vietnam War, how much of it was about heroin?

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  Three days before 1968 presidential election, President Johnson contacted Senate Majority Leader Everett M. Dirksen to inform him the White House had received hard evidence from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the campaign of Republican presidential candidate Richard M. Dick Nixon was interfering with Johnson's effort to start peace talks to end the Vietnam War. And this called Johnson referred to contacts between Nixon's campaign and South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thi- I don't know how to say his name, urged that they thwart any such negotiations. Yeah.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that did happen. And also, they definitely, uh, eh, Bush, uh, you know, the senior Bush, George Bush Senior, he met in, uh, with the leaders of the Iranian, uh, what do you call it, party, whatever, in, before the election, the Carter, but, the, the fight between Carter and Reagan, uh, and insisted they, they needed to not be letting those hostages go.

• 5:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  And so, I met, uh, Carter in Austin, or rather, in, uh, Atlanta, I don't know, a couple, three years ago, right? It's very exciting for me because I've, I've always been a big, big fan of Carter. I think he's the best president in my lifetime. And I talked to Carter and he was like, and I so, I said, I'm sitting there, I'm thinking to myself, is there a better time to ask? When am I even gonna have another time?

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  And so, that was known as the October surprise, right?

• 5:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  That, that Bush met with those guys. Anyway, I just said, I'm gonna ask him. I says, "Well, I just wonder, is there any truth to the October surprise?" And he kinda, he looks at me like, he hadn't heard this question lately, right? And he looks at me and he goes, "Well, I, I never talked about this publicly, but, uh..." We did still have people in the, in the White House after we left. Who, who were there during the Reagan administration. And they confirmed it was true.

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course it was true. It was too obvious. The hostages get released right after Reagan gets elected.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they released them on the day he took office.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. It's kinda disgusting.

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Very disgusting.

• 6:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  But I mean, I don't wanna be one to talk ill of American government.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Far be it for me.

• 6:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we don't need to. Hey, man, your movie's fucking great. I loved it.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Oh, you saw it?

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  I saw it Wednesday night. Yeah, it was great. Really, really great. Nail biter.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the edge of your seat movie.

• 6:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's not a single cut the shit moment in that movie. You know, there's movies that, there's a, there's where you have to suspend disbelief and it takes you out of it. There's none of that in that movie. It's really good. It's really good. Very suspenseful, very fulfilling. The end of it, you feel super entertained.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's, I, I love it. I, it's so exciting, that film. I, it's like an action movie. I mean, it really is like as nail biter as any action movie I've seen. I love it. And Alex Parkinson, he also, he was the director, he also directed the, cause it was a documentary. Last Breath.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Oh, cause people may not know, this was a real incident that happened.

• 7:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  In the North Sea. Anyway, uh, yeah. Sima Liu and Finn Cole, you know, loved those guys, loved working with them. That was a great experience.

• 7:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a great movie. It's very good. It's very fun. Like, it's exciting. And I hardly ever go to the movies anymore. But your people made me go see it in the movie theater.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah?

• 8:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I had to actually go to a theater and see it. It was great, though.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Ah, well, thanks for doing that, man.

• 8:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  I know you're a busy man. You got a lot going on.

• 8:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was excited to talk to you, man. I'm a big fan. This episode is presented by Searchlight Pictures Wild Horse 9. Shortly before Chile's 1973 coup, two CIA agents, played by John Malkovich and Sam Rockwell, find their mission on Easter Island spiraling into a web of conspiracies, unexpected alliances, and chaos. Wild Horse 9, only in theaters Friday. Get tickets now. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. Scams have gotten smarter because criminals use AI to flood you with fake texts, emails, and phone calls that are designed to be more convincing than ever. One wrong click could put your personal information and your identity at risk.

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• 10:48Speaker 02

  Oh, thanks, dude. Thank you. Well, I'm a fan of yours, too. I really am. I'm so, I love the things you've done that just flipped everything on its head. You know, the people you've interviewed, that you got, you know, people genuinely up in arms. You know, like, you're not afraid. You're a fearless warrior, and I just, I appreciate what you do. Like, get a luring voice to people. Other people will be like, "You're wrong just to interview that person."

• 11:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get a lot of that, for sure, but that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous thinking. I don't even understand that. I really don't. I don't understand how we got to a place where you're wrong to have a conversation with someone, even if you disagree with them. This idea of platforming people. Well, how the fuck do you know what they really think? Based on what, the mainstream media that lies to you constantly? That's supported by all sorts of special interest groups that have no need to tell the American public the truth? They have a very specific narrative that they want pushed? They want no deviation from that at all? Get the fuck out of here. Get the fuck out of here. It's crazy. And if you have a large audience, I think you have at least a certain amount of responsibility

• 12:07Joe Rogan?

  to talk to some people that you think might be telling the truth.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I liked your interview with Robert Malone.

• 12:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  That was a crucial interview at a crucial time.

• 12:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was the most pushback I'd ever experienced, ever in my life. And I was like, "This is crazy." When you, it was really sad to see people like Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. And like, I wanted to sit down and talk to them and like, show them some studies and give them Robert Kennedy's book and say like, "You don't really know what you're talking about."

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing that makes me sad is a lot of this information they're receiving is like from mainstream media.

• 12:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Which certainly has its own objectives and its own, you know, things that it won't discuss.

• 12:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, at all.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  And, and, yeah, and I just felt like after that happened, you know, I almost, I was gonna try to get in touch with you just to tip my hat to you, but it just felt like, why don't people just listen to the interview? Because I feel like everyone who was giving it a hard time hadn't even heard the interview.

• 13:17Joe Rogan?

  Of course. Yeah, they had heard the mainstream media saying that it was dangerous misinformation. By the way, everything he said has turned out to be true. Every single thing he said had turned out to be true. Everything that everybody said about whether it was a lab leak, whether the vaccine had side effects, whether it was pushed, whether they lied about the studies and distorted the information, everything was true. All of it. Including Yale just released some study about people producing spike proteins 700-plus days after the injections, which was never thought to be the case when they gave them to these people in the first place. A host of different, serious problems that people are having because these, that everyone's

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  covering up and people are lying about and everyone's trying to obfuscate and doctors are trying to sweep things under the rug because they don't want to be in trouble for mandating these things and telling people to get these things. It's horrible.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I agree with you and, yeah, if we go back to the allowing, you know, I just feel like to mandate was wrong.

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  It just, that's, that to me is fascistic behavior.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  If you mandate that I have to take this thing. That if you take it, you're protected. Well, if I take it, wasn't that my, you know? That should be my prerogative. I either wanna be protected or don't wanna be protected. Or maybe I am like I am, which is the last two entities on earth I would trust with my health, would be Big Pharma and big government. Like, those would be the last two I would look to. You know, how much Big Pharma's done to just, just push shit through that they know is bad for you. That they know harms you. And in this case, they know what's happened.

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  They know. And, and all we're left with after the, what was it, eighty-six? That they mandated that you couldn't sue the vaccine companies?

• 15:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  And so since then, we've only been left with VARs, right?

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, VAERS, yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  The government, VAERS, the government website. And there we have millions of people who fought through the red tape and then the bureaucratic, whatever, just to, just to anonymously be known that they were injured.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was weird watching so many people that I thought were intelligent stand up for the government and for the pharmaceutical industry.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  But it's not weird if you think of how, I mean, it was ubiquitous. It, it never stopped. The mainstream press was just harping on it constantly.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, constantly, yeah. But it's just weird that so many people went along with it without question. I mean, and especially, the weirdest part was that it was the people on the left. That was so confusing to me, because all my life, people on the left were very, very hesitant to believe anything that Big Pharma said and always distrusting in any major institution that was profiting off of something. And all the, it was all very clear. You could see where the motivation was with everything. You could see the amount of profit that was gonna be generated, and still, everybody was just so scared. It just exposed a lot of cowards, a lot of fools, a lot of cowards, and a lot of people

• 16:51Joe Rogan?

  that are just, at the moment of any form of adversity, are willing to just bow down and, and do what the system tells them to. It's very strange.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Well.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Yes, I mean, to say cowards, it's, it's, it's interesting because,

• 17:12Speaker 02

  because of the nature of it being so mandated, you know, you had, I had many people I know got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to fly, they wanted to be able to work.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  So when it's mandated that you can't work, you know, I mean, how many drivers?

• 17:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  Every single driver had to be vaccinated, and in, in, in, uh, Atlanta, you, every person on the crew had to be vaccinated, and you, if it was, you, you had the first vaccination, but when you got the, uh, what do you call, the next?

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  The boosters.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  The booster, it had to be within six months. If it's six months and a day, you won't work that day. You know, it was very regimented, everybody in every crew.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  And including people that had already been sick, it didn't even make sense. Not only that, if you talk to virologists, they say you never vaccinate during a pandemic because it encourages variants. You know, I posted that on Twitter, the study on Twitter, and so many people were attacking me. I'm like, hey, I didn't write the study. This is a study that shows that when you vaccinate with a non-sterilizing vaccine during a pandemic, it encourages, encourages variants. And that's what happened. And they were blaming the-

• 18:27Speaker 02

  What do you mean, non-sterilizing vaccine?

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  So it doesn't, a vaccine that doesn't actually prevent you from catching the disease or spreading the disease.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  And that's what COVID is. That's what the COVID vaccine is.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Initially, it was supposed to stop you, it was a hundred percent gonna stop the va- and then the, of course, that guy had to be modified. It came to now, it will lessen your symptoms. A completely unprovable-

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, there was never any studies, ever, in the beginning, that ever showed that it stopped transmission. None.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:00Joe Rogan?

  Zero. All it did is it showed that it, it had an immune response. That's it.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  You read Bobby's book?

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And even the guy, uh, interestingly, you know, uh, Kerry Mullis, I believe is his name, the guy who created the PCR tests, or, well, there was some discrepancy with other people. But anyway, it doesn't matter. But the guy credited, he said- This vaccine, this, this test cannot prove.

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  Infection.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  Doesn't, it doesn't prove causation.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  So in other words, you may, you're, you're having a response that says that you have a viral load, but you don't know what the cause of that is. You don't know what generated that. It, it, it can't prove what the illness is.

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Not only that.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  What the problem is that causes that.

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Depending upon the amount of cycles that you run the PCR, I mean, you could detect like the, the most minute amount that is not indicative, indicative of the person being infected.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  And that person will have a false positive and they, there's false positives where all, through the fucking roof.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the whole thing made no sense and it was just designed to push a vaccine that they profited off of massively. And I hope we learn, I hope we learn. I hope next time things roll around, people are a lot more hesitant to just jump in and, and believe this shit.

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Well, already they were coming up with additional vaccines for this or that, or another booster. And people were like, yeah, no. So I think people have already started to question the validity of things, you know?

• 20:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think this pandemic and the response and the mandates and all that shit, it, it, it ruined people's faith in,

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  first of all, the mainstream media. I think the mainstream media took the biggest hit out of anybody. Like the, the, the trust in the television shows and the newspapers that are supposed to be delivering the truth is at an all time low.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Well, I hope you're right.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's, I think, I think I'm right. I think it's pretty obvious. I mean, the ratings are down on every fucking show there is. Um, newspapers can't, no one wants to buy them.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Sense the pandemic.

• 21:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, I didn't know that.

• 21:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, the CNN is fucking, no one's watching it anymore. MSNBC is, is a ghost town. There, no one's watching these shows because they're all just lying. They're lying, they're still lying, they're lying constantly. And now, you know, now they're lying about the Department of Government Efficiency. When before they were lying about van, pandemics and vaccines.

• 21:41Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's not really the news. You know, if it was the news, they wouldn't be paid for by the pharmaceutical drug companies. You can't have the fucking news sponsored by the people that you're supposed to be reporting on and then you never report on them. That's just crazy.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, also, that, that whole, uh, Trusted News Initiative.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  You familiar with that?

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I guess you would be.

• 22:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  You talk to Bobby and everybody.

• 22:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Uh, but yeah, the Trusted News Initiative is just like, okay, we won't, we won't. Like, when you, I'd send a YouTube video that I just got to someone else and by the time it gets to them, they're like, it won't let me watch it.

• 22:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  Right?

• 22:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Why, why, you know? Misinformation, but isn't misinformation also information?

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  You know? It's like, how can you term it misinformation and what, what, you know? What are your, uh, you know, criteria that allow you to call that misinformation?

• 22:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I'm hoping people have learned. But it was a weird time. An educational time, though. It was a good, a good experience for some people to, just to learn that like, hey, like, there's sources that you cannot trust. And I think now, the, the beautiful thing about someone like Elon buying Twitter and turning it into X and having community notes is now you have a way of fact-checking things. Where people use the community notes and they start posting studies in the community notes and saying, no, this story's not true. Here's why it's not true, here's why it's provably not true. You know? So this is the best way to handle misinformation. It's not leave it up to government censors.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that, that was where everybody was going in, in 2020. It was just fucking crazy to watch.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Government censors, those were the, those were the mainstream media censoring themselves.

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, yeah, but I mean.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  At the, at the behest of government, but also at the behest of Big Pharma, you know?

• 23:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When we found out that the government was actively contacting social media companies and having them remove things that were true.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  Because there was malinformation. That could, do you know that term?

• 24:02Speaker 02

  I haven't heard that before.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  There's misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Malinformation is true, but could have a detrimental effect on society. True information that can have a detrimental effect on society is malinformation. That also should be censor. It's Orwell. It's right out of, right out of 1984. It's crazy.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  I feel so Orwellian, just the time we've gone through and the time we're in. It feels extremely Orwellian.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  It's very weird.

• 24:37Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird time, but I'm optimistic.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  I want to be optimistic. I think cynicism is the worst disease of old age, you know? Once you're cynical, you are fucked, man.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  It just, it infects every part of your being, you know? But you stay very positive, right? I mean, you're just, you seem like, nothing can stop you.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  I try to stay positive.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm affected like everybody else is, you know? I was down during the pandemic. It bothered the shit out of me. But, you know, we came through it on the other end, and I think people have more resolve now. I think generally, the general public has, at least a good percentage of the general public, has a healthy distrust now for bullshit.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Certainly your listeners.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Now, but after that Robert Malone thing happened, I was really curious. I was wanting to contact you, and I didn't, but, but I was just curious how, because, man, I never seen anyone take more body blows. But I gotta say, it was cool. They were like, stood behind you. Is it Spotify?

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Spotify was like, huh?

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, fortunately, they're not American. It's not an American company, you know? Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Where are they from?

• 25:54Joe Rogan?

  Sweden.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they're like, eh, we're not buying it.

• 26:01Joe Rogan?

  Also, the show was big enough where they were like, why would we pull this thing off the air? Let's hang in there and see what happens. And it just kept getting bigger. And so they were realizing that the people were basically on the side of free distribution of information. And they didn't buy it. But there was two, there was two guys, Peter McCullough and Robert Malone. Those are the ones. And then there was like some fucking-

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, Peter McCullough. Boy, he took a lot of hits.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  He did.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Big time during-

• 26:26Joe Rogan?

  Most published doctor in human history in his particular field of study. I mean, he's a well-respected, rock-solid, credentialed-

• 26:37Speaker 02

  And it was one of his videos I tried to send right after I got it. I tried to send to people. No, they were so quick. I've never seen such quick censorship or editing, you know? Almost impressive, you know?

• 26:53Joe Rogan?

  It was creepy. What was it like in Hollywood, having your perspective, your healthy distrust of what was going on? Where everybody was sort of in lockstep with whatever the government propaganda was?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, I mean, I don't know how many sets you visited, but everybody was like, you know, in masks.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  And then there'd be different zones.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  And then, you know, you get, the closer you get to the actual set where the shooting is, and then that red zone, people, put your masks on. And I was just like, I never bought it. And I, you know, I never bought it from the beginning. I'm just like, I don't, I just, this doesn't feel right. All right, I'm supposed to wear a mask, but I haven't been, now, at this point, this, right now, I haven't been sick in eight years, right? Well, back then was whatever, six years, but, but it was just like, I knew, well, no, I'm doing the math on it. But you know what I mean? But it had been a long time since I'd been sick. And I'm like, I don't feel like I need to wear a mask, so-

• 28:03Speaker 02

  I would just not wear a mask, you know, but everybody else on the set's wearing a mask, which is very discomforting because, you know, you can't even relate to people so well without seeing their face.

• 28:17Joe Rogan?

  It's very weird. It was very weird.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Very strange time.

• 28:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the strangest. And it didn't make any sense. And there was also this narrative that if you weren't vaccinated, the virus was gonna hunt you down. They keep saying that. The virus will find you if you're not vaccinated, the virus will hunt you down. And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  It's so funny. I did a video, oh, I wish I had it with me. But, well, maybe, Ilya's out there, my assistant, maybe she could pull it up for you.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it online?

• 28:52Speaker 02

  I did, no. But I did a, it's 11 seconds. Yeah, she's listening, hopefully she'll look at it. But it's like, it's, it's, I take, I take inhale and hit a pot, right? And then I put on my mask.

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  And blow it right to the mask.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  And I exhale, and it, no, it just comes out every, right? And every exhale, and by the way, hundreds of times heavier than like a virus.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Right? So viruses don't just, you know, what, the concept, people have, for people saying, you know, trust in science, very unscientific concepts.

• 29:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  And Fauci, anyway, in the beginning, he said, no, we don't need to wear a mask. And then someone said, no, you do. Oh, we do, we should wear a mask. And, yeah, so silly, that mask, man. That, just something about it felt like, you know, it was just like, Big Brother won. Big Brother won.

• 29:56Joe Rogan?

  They won a battle. But I think ultimately, that's what's gonna cost them the war. I think the lessons learned from that.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  What do you think Bobby's gonna be able to, I think he'll be able to accomplish anything?

• 30:09Joe Rogan?

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• 31:29Joe Rogan?

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• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  And to make them go through real trials.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  And how do you think that's gonna get through congress?

• 32:20Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  There's no way that gets through congress.

• 32:25Joe Rogan?

  We'll see, you know, we'll see. We'll see what the resistance is.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  But every one of those guys is getting money from big pharma.

• 32:32Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are, a lot of them are, but also.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Certainly all the democrats.

• 32:35Joe Rogan?

  People are paying attention now and they will get primaried and I think they're aware of that. So I think there's a vulnerability for their entire career. If the people find out that they weren't willing to do this in the face of overwhelming evidence. You know, like Bobby was just talking about the hepatitis vaccine. That they were saying that the hepatitis B vaccine, they were having a hard time selling it. And so they all of a sudden start saying, don't worry about it, we're gonna prescribe it for children. And they put it on the vaccine schedule for children. And they did that just because they were having a hard time, people, because the only time you get hepatitis B is from dirty needles and risky sex. And people are like, I don't want that fucking thing. And so they're like, nobody was taking it.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  You wanna stand by that statement, those are the only times you get hepatitis B.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  I think that's it.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  There's just two possibilities, dirty sex or dirty needles.

• 33:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you know of any other ones?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I think.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a sexually transmitted disease and it's often transmitted, yeah. It's transmitted through intravenous, uh, drug use.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Okay, then I didn't know, I mean.

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is, how do you think you got hepatitis B?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I just assumed you get rundown, like most sicknesses. You get rundown, you get sick.

• 33:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's Google it. What is, uh, the cause of hepatitis B, Jamie?

• 33:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's, that's how you get it. You don't get it as a fucking baby. So injecting babies with it, the only reason why they did that is to sell more hepatitis B vaccines. Yeah, if the mother has it. Unprotected sex with infected person, mother to child during childbirth, breastfeeding if the mother's infected. Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Tattooing, dude, you got a lot of avenues you could be.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess, dirty needles. Same, I guess that falls under dirty needles. Yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  But anyway, I just wonder that, uh, you know, that it just, again, the profiteering, like, why are we not talking about profiteering? That should be on everyone's lips.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, that's what it's all about. That's the, although, the woes and ills of our society. It's people. People emphasizing profit over humanity. That's really what it is.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  That's really what it is. Yeah.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's and it's also it's like it's this fucking disgustingly short sighted approach because you don't live that long. To live your life just profiteering off of the expense of other people's suffering is so crazy. When you got eighty years if you're lucky. You got eighty summers, eighty summers, eighty spins around the sun. And and you're gonna you're gonna fucking sell people out for some money that you're never gonna have enough of anyway. All those cocksuckers, they all want more. They never it never ends. They all want a bigger yacht. They all wanted this. They all wanted that. There was always something. It never ends. And somehow or another, we let them get away with it because we're profiting as well.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  I was wondering about like billionaires. You gotta figure there's a certain hierarchy of billionaires, right? And so even if you're a billionaire and you're thinking, well, that guy's he's good. He's made it, right?

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Well, no, I wanna be the richest guy.

• 35:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know. It I guess it never does end in a way.

• 35:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, if that's what your game is, right? So if your game is just numbers, you're never gonna be satisfied. You know, if your game is just numbers, you're always gonna look at the other people. Like my friend Brian has a friend that has three billion dollars and he says he hangs out with his billionaire friends and he feels poor because they have thirty billion dollars. Like, you know, crazy. Imagine having three billion dollars and feeling poor. But I can kind of understand the thought. I mean, it's stupid.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  The poor white trash part.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Only three bills.

• 36:23Joe Rogan?

  Poor bastard. How's he even buy a country? How'd he even affect elections with three billion dollars? That's nothing.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Local election.

• 36:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, this is a just a symptom of the moral decay of our society. That, you know, we don't we don't have a a moral and ethical framework. We don't have a moral and ethical structure that we operate under. And too many people are just motivated by my money instead of humanity, instead of looking at people as like a community. We're all a community of people and. You can still profit and you can still make money, but like making more money at the expense of people's lives and suffering. Should be the most abhorrent thing that we could possibly imagine, especially if you're already wealthy.

• 37:14Joe Rogan?

  That should be absolutely disgusting to us and that it's condoned and just like accepted. And you know, you shrug your shoulders, huh, that's what people do.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I think the majority of people agree with you a hundred percent on that. And the majority of people have a very humane and compassionate view of others, you know.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  But there are those people who are just, you know, it's like you say, it's a numbers game.

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  And, and unfortunately, war makes people really rich.

• 37:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Gets a lot, it's, I mean, I guess, I don't know, big pharma would be the number one industry, but not far behind. It's gotta be, uh.

• 38:00Joe Rogan?

  Military industrial complex.

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's just like, why are these, i- i- if you even get away from why are these wars happening or are they justified? Why are they making that much profit off of these wars?

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  You know, strange.

• 38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  That bothers me. I, I get sleepless over that.

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  It should.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Especially because the United States is just done, you know, I, I, you know, one, World War Two, okay, I give you that one, you know. But I certainly don't give you the Korean War over the potential domino theory, which was absurd. The same theory that, so four million, four million people die in Korea. Uh, three and a half million in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia. They started carpet bombing in Laos, you know, that, which is everything in a two mile radius presumed dead.

• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  You know, what we've done throughout Central, South America, all over the world. We've become masters of war, but like toward what end? To help those rich people get richer.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  It's, it's like, I would understand if it's a justifiable, you know, you have to stop Hitler, Mussolini, I get it.

• 39:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  But, you know, come on.

• 39:18Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that it all really boils down to that. It really boils down to a lot of his people profiting, you know?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  I always have said that if war weren't so lucrative, there'd be a lot less of it.

• 39:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  You know?

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Sometimes just the war itself is, that's a moneymaker.

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's like, how do you fucking do that? What do you got there, fella?

• 39:41Speaker 02

  I brought this for you, man.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 39:44Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a very nice Northern California.

• 39:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  You know, I have a dispensary in, uh, in LA, yeah, called The Woods. It's phenomenal. It's the most beautiful dispensary in the world.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  You can have a, I, I remember when it was completely, totally illegal and then, uh, you had to have a medical card.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  And you just say you had a headache.

• 40:09Joe Rogan?

  That's all you have to say. You got back pain, you got a headache, you can get a subscription, or prescription, rather. And then it became legal. But just in 2016.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Not here.

• 40:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Needs to be legal in Texas.

• 40:20Joe Rogan?

  It should be. Well, it should be federally legal.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  They could be, this could be such a, this state's so great anyway. We, we could, we could change everything if Texas was legal.

• 40:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, the whole country should be legal.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  The, the idea that America, the land of the free, criminalizes the use of a plant that's never killed anybody is fucking crazy.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  It's legislating morality and it's an odd morality anyway, cause most people believe you should be able to smoke if you want.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it's a morality that's based off bullshit about profiteering from the 1930s. So it's propaganda from the 1930s that's still working today, 90 years later, which is really crazy.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the craziest part of it. And that the, really the only reason why it picked up steam is cause they needed to put people to work after they had stopped banning alcohol. So prohibition ended, everybody's like, what do we do now? Well, let's fucking go after marijuana. And then you get Harry Anslinger, William Randolph Hearst.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  They're all profiting from it and they're all fucking make the marijuana movies, like Reefer Madness and everyone's gonna go crazy and to this day, there's a lot of people who believe that. They think it makes you lazy, it makes you stupid and...

• 41:30Speaker 02

  It really is, uh, although I, I would say my stupid quotient.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I'm dipped down to a new level. No, but I, I agree with you. I think that, uh, yeah, like Anslinger, nobody knows about that, how this guy went all over the place and got governments all over the world to make, you know, to declare this the enemy drug and, uh, and but, but, but, you know, like, I really just believe, you know, there's such a thing as a consensual crime, which is victimless crimes. So if I'm smoking a joint, well, a lot of it's like the vaccine. If I'm smoking a joint, how does that hurt you?

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  What am I doing to hurt you?

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  If you drive and fall asleep at the wheel and

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Well, that's one thing, of course.

• 42:17Joe Rogan?

  But there's already laws for that.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, but that's another, okay, outside of the driving world, I don't see how I'm hurting you.

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, outside of the driving world, that's really the end of it.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  And, and if I'm not getting my job done, then fire me.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Okay, so there's, it, it just, there's no, and by the way, most people do agree with this, but when you have like over 70% of the people in jail are there for victimless crimes.

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  Mostly drug-related crimes.

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, then we go back to another thing, profiteering.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  Profiteering, once again.

• 42:53Joe Rogan?

  Because we have private prisons, which is crazy, where you're essentially taking human beings and you're using them as batteries to generate money. That's really what you're doing. Like, the more people you get in there, the more profit you're pulling out of it, which is just crazy. So then you have prison guard unions that are lobbying to keep laws on the books, victimless crimes on the books, like, like marijuana.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  It's ridiculous.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I imagine there's a lot of unions pushing it, but, you know, I didn't know till I saw The Thirteenth. Is that what it was called, that movie? Thirteenth Amendment? It was about the Thirteenth Amendment? I didn't know about the... What's it called? There's, there's a movie, I think it's called The Thirteenth, if I'm not wrong.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Is that right? Yeah, he's... Anyway, it, it... Oh, there it is, yeah. That's the first time I really thought about, in spite of being around prisons, you know, much of my life, I, I'd never thought about the fact that there, there... That that's just, uh, they're, they're making them work. It's just slave, slave labor.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Just.

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Making them work. I'd never thought about it until then.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  Slave labor for insanely small amount of money and they keep them locked up and they produce things. Yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. The way you watch that, you believe it for sure. Did you see that?

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't see it. I'm aware of the laws though. I mean, I'm aware of that's, that's a lot of where the Jim Crow laws came from. When they, then they abolished slavery, what they did was just arrest people for basically anything and put them to work. I mean, that was, that was the modus operandi.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which is, I guess that's when all the, the 13th started was back then.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  As a part of the Jim Crow laws.

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  It all goes the same thing, profit. And ironically, a lot of this lack of compassion could be solved with psychedelics. A lot of it, a lot of it, where people expand their consciousness, understand that what they're doing is morally reprehensible. And even though you can sort of justify it because it's legal, it's disgusting and we should change those laws. Those laws don't make any sense because it's written on paper. Doesn't mean it's just, doesn't mean it makes sense for logical, rational people.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  I agree. It'd be nice to get some acid in the punch bowl at some kind of congressional, you know.

• 45:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, consensually, I think.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  May consensual, I mean, you're not going to get all those guys who need it to agree to it. So I'm just saying, throw a little in the punch bowl. They're all going by the punch bowl.

• 45:31Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever, uh, do you know who Graham Hancock is?

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  He's, um, an expert on, uh, ancient history, um, like a kind of a renegade, uh, historian. He's got a sort of alternative version of, um, uh, ancient society, ancient civilizations. Uh, but point is like he's all.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  He has a podcast?

• 45:54Joe Rogan?

  He's got a, uh, two, uh, seasons of a series called Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix. It's really amazing. It's all, his basically, his field of study is the evidence. That human beings and human civilization has gone through a reset. And that somewhere around 12,000 years ago, and this is all supported by this, this theory called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, where they found evidence that the Earth was bombarded by comets at more than two different times in history that probably reset civilization. And that this is probably why you see like, like ancient structures that people can't explain

• 46:35Joe Rogan?

  and that, you know, these stone buildings that have incredibly complex geometry and precision building.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  From thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Like at the World Fair in Chicago, like they had all those buildings.

• 46:47Joe Rogan?

  That's a little different.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  You talking about that?

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, that's a little different. I'm talking about like ancient Egypt.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  You're talking about super ancient.

• 46:54Joe Rogan?

  I'm talking about like, yeah, Turkey, you know, I'm talking about like Gobekli Tepe and these ancient structures they found that are absolutely 11,000 plus years old, where people were supposed to be just hunter and gatherers. And that we thought up until, you know, last 40 or 50 years, that society emerged around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia. What he believes is that that is a reemergence of society. And that society had already reached a very high level of sophistication around 12,000 years ago. And that something happened, some sort of gigantic cataclysm and reset things. But Graham is also an enthusiast of ayahuasca and the power of psychedelic medicine.

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  And he has often said that to run governments, it should be mandatory that you have psychedelic sessions.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  And you should probably do it publicly.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Publicly.

• 47:46Joe Rogan?

  So you really find out, you know? I mean, imagine getting Lindsey Graham fucked up on mushrooms and then filming him.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I would love to see that.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  It would be amazing.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  What I would give to see that.

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it'd be amazing.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  But it would be nice if they had a little more, because it's almost, those drugs that you're talking about are just like, it's like the universal, God's little helper.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Help you see how the world really works.

• 48:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, God's little helper.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  The illusory nature of what it is we're experiencing.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  And to come from the heart.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

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• 49:51Joe Rogan?

  Banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for more details. They encourage compassion and encourage kindness and love. And that's, we need a lot more of that in this world. And that's the problem with being so politically and ideologically divided. It's like we, it's so, it's so easy because people are so tribal. It's so easy to hate the other tribe, the other people are the enemy. You know, and so we've got this bizarre thing where we're supposed to be a community, but we're a two-sided community and one side hates the other side. And whoever is in power, those, those, those people are the problem. It's like.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  That is such a weird part of the human, you know, nature, whatever you want to call it. Psychology is like, and I noticed just the other day, there was some dude like. I was, I can't remember what the context was, but I remember he kinda came into my zone and I thought, "Look at this fucking guy, man. He's got, he's such an asshole, you know." I could just tell, you could just feel it, you know?

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  And then, and then I thought, "What are you, why are you, what, you've got nothing that tells you that that's true." You know?

• 51:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  Other than maybe you're jealous because he's more handsome than you are or something. No, but in any way, and so I go, "Uh, how you doing?" And he smiles and I'm like, "This guy's incredible." You know, like, you, just, all you need to do, sometimes is just generate a smile on that other person who you think's an asshole's face and suddenly they're, they're a kid, you know? It's suddenly you're in a different, you're, you're using your kid juice to interact, you know?

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's like the importance of, the importance of charisma, right? Because a person isn't exactly who they are, they're who they are when they interact with you. And however you interact with them will affect the way they interact with you. It's not, it's a two-way street, most sort of interactions.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  If they see a frown on your face, then inevitably there's a frown on their face.

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

  Inevitably, yeah.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But, but it's, smiles generate smiles and if you think about it, that is the easiest energy generating thing is to, is another person smiling.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  And getting you to smile.

• 52:15Joe Rogan?

  And common ground, you know? And I think we have, that's the problem with the media and with political ideologies, is that there's no currency in common ground. The currency is all in division. That's where you can gain the most momentum, get the most people on your side. You have to say the other people are the enemy. Common ground is much more common. Most people agree, most people want to be safe, they want to be healthy, they want to be happy. They want to have friends, they want to have a good time, they want to have a nice family. They want to be loved, they want to have love. That's most people. And they think that the other people are trying to prevent that. Instead of just accentuating those important factors and saying, "We should all concentrate on that."

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  And then we should all look at things that prevent that. What are the things that prevent happiness and love and health? And let's, let's all work collectively together to eliminate those aspects of our society.

• 53:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the problem is, you don't make a lot of profit doing that, you know? The profit is in the division.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  The media does push the divide, for sure.

• 53:23Joe Rogan?

  The media is bullshit. They're, first of all, they're dying. They're dying like AM radio. They're not gonna make it. They're not gonna make it. The, the internet is more compelling, and independent journalism is more accurate, and it's gonna be more and more-

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Are you sure that's not a subjective vantage point, Joe?

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's certainly subjective. Yeah, it's certainly subjective.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  All your vantage points are subjective.

• 53:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes, everything's subjective. It's definitely subjective. But I, I, listen, I think there are very good people that work in journalism. I think there are very good people that work at the New York Times, the Washington Post, and even in CNN. I know them. I know people that work at CNN, and I like them. I know people that work at the New York Times, and I like them very much. The problem is the institution, and the institution is based on profit, and where, where do you get your money? Well, you get a lot of your money from pharmaceutical drug companies, from NGOs, there's funding from all these different political groups, and it's, that's the problem. The problem is enormous entities that need incredible amounts of capital in order to stay relevant. And in doing so, what's crazy is if you're in the information

• 54:31Joe Rogan?

  business, well, you can't be accurate. You cannot be accurate about the distribution of information if your profits are based on you pushing a bullshit narrative, because those are the people that are supporting you. So therefore, they're not gonna make it. Like, it's like, you see the writing on the wall. It's like, this is not tenable. You're not gonna be able to continue this. You're gonna either have to adjust course, or you're gonna be swallowed. And that's what people, like, people realize that now with the internet. When you got people like Matt Taibbi, and Michael Schellenberger, and Glenn Greenwald, respected journalists who are now on the outside. And so now they've, they've amassed this huge following on the outside, because you know, if you go to Glenn Greenwald, he's

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  gonna tell you what's actually going on. Why are we invading this? Why are we bombing this kind, what is going on? And he'll tell you, it all goes back to 2013, when this was passed, and this is what happened, and they tried to do this, and this is what we're trying to do, because there's oil here, or there's minerals there, and you're like, oh, fuck. And so, but, most people don't have the time to do that kind of a deep dive. So you turn on CNN and CNN's like, "Safe and effective, have you gotten your nice booster? Get your nice booster."

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  The fucking anchors are blacking out on TV and it's like, wow. Like, it's, they're in a trap. They're in a trap, first of all, they're in a trap because of the actual format of the show sucks. Right? Format of television shows suck. You have three talking heads yelling at each other, five minutes before a commercial. Everyone's trying to get a soundbite that goes viral. And then you cut to a commercial about antidepressants. And then you come, and then you come back. You come back and there's a flood and there's fucking, Detroit's frozen. Do you see that shit in Detroit? Well, they, they had a flood and then it froze. And so you got cars like up to the fucking windshield, frozen solid in the streets and car alarms going off.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that.

• 56:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it happened yesterday. There was some sort of a water main line broke, uh, probably because of the cold. And then the streets flooded. And then the streets, when they flooded, then they froze. And so all these cars, like literally up to the windshield, stuck, see if you can find it. It's crazy to look at. Like, and, look at this, entire streets filled.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  And if you watch a video of it, all the car alarms are going off. So the car alarms are going off and all the cars are frozen. Give me some, well, you can hear it if you play the microphone. Yeah, put, put your headphones on.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  That is wild.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  So everybody's fucking car alarm's going off because the cars getting crunched. So the cars are getting disturbed, so they're getting crunched. So the cars think that people are breaking into them. Minus seventy degrees, as if Detroit doesn't have enough fucking problems.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 57:19Joe Rogan?

  Poor Detroit.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:22Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Detroit's been doing so well lately. Just, it's really, I, I went there not long ago.

• 57:29Joe Rogan?

  They're making a comeback.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  It was phenomenal.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  They're making a comeback.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Wow, they're what a fun place, like.

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what?

• 57:35Speaker 02

  The artists kind of take it over and it just became, it's, it's pretty groovy.

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  Artists and artisans and companies that are like proud. Like Shinola, that company.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my buddy, Tom Cartotis.

• 57:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're great.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Do you know him?

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't, but I, I bought their stuff.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  He's one of the great humans on this planet. Yeah, he started Shinola.

• 57:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Shinola is a great company.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a great company. I have one of their laptop backs.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Incredible guy.

• 57:59Joe Rogan?

  They make awesome stuff. They make great watches, great stuff, but made in Detroit, like proudly.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And they got the, the, uh, the record player that he did with, uh, you know, Mike White, uh, Mike, uh, Mike, you know, the Mike, uh, White, no.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Jack White?

• 58:18Speaker 02

  Jack White.

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  I knew that wasn't right. I couldn't. Mike White makes White Lotus. Yeah, no, Jack White, yeah. And they also do vinyl. They make all these vinyl.

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  Those guys do cool stuff, man.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I, I, last time I was in Detroit, I did the Fox Theater and I saw a lot of that, too. A lot of like small shops and cool places and, you know, because real estate's cheap, so people are like moving in and artists are doing things. It's fun. It's like a little bit of a revival after they got fucked by the auto industry.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, for sure.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  More profiteering, right? Send all the fucking jobs to other countries because you can get people to work for slave labor.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then now they're dealing with this, uh, with this incredible ice flood.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that's a, a small, isolated area, but still pretty fucked.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Oh, God, fig.

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  Are you still in LA? Where do you live?

• 59:15Speaker 02

  I'm in Austin, right here with you. I mean, come on.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you are. Where do you live, though? Where do you spend most of your time?

• 59:21Speaker 02

  No, I, I live in Austin.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do you?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  I live in Austin.

• 59:24Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know you lived here.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I live in the drip.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, nice. Dripping Springs is great. I love it out there. That's a nice place. That's a nice area.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  No, I've been, I'm determined. You and I are gonna have to hang out sometime socially.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  Let's do it. I would love to do that. Let's do it.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Okay, well, you don't feel just like you're back against the wall.

• 59:44Joe Rogan?

  No, I love you, man. Come on. I'll hang out with you anytime.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Oh, great, great.

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Call me two o'clock in the morning. We'll go meet you somewhere. I don't give a fuck.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Okay, perfect.

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  I'll bring you down to my comedy club.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Bought a comedy club on Sixth Street.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  What's it called?

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Comedy Mothership.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd like to do that.

• 59:59Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. It's a great place. My buddy Jimmy Dore is there this weekend, who's also great, and he's filming his comedy special there this weekend.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jimmy Dore is amazing. He is another guy that's risen as an independent journalist. He's a comedian, and he started his show, basically, just making fun of political things. And then during the pandemic, got vaccine injured and really got kind of red-pilled and kind of became like the voice of truth and reason. And, you know, another guy who's been completely outcast by supposedly progressive people for just telling the truth, the inconvenient truth.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Inconvenient, yeah, but I guess the progressives, are they now the conservatives? We gotta change the term, because progressives seem a lot less progressive.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  And I really felt quite, you know, during this whole thing, I felt quite, yeah.

• 1:00:54Joe Rogan?

  I think they got co-opted, and I think it was on purpose. I think there was, there was some very sophisticated psychological manipulation that was involved, and a lot of money was being spent in order to push some very specific narratives. And they did a great job of it, you know, they did a great job of it, but we're finding out because of the Department of Government Efficiency that most of this was funded by our own tax dollars, which is really fucking crazy. A lot of these NGOs that supported a lot of these crazy riots and all these different things that were happening in our cities was really supported by our own tax dollars. And it's, it's, it was just a subversion of public discourse. You know, instead of allowing people to figure out what's right and what's wrong,

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  they pushed what they wanted you to say, and anybody who deviated from that was canceled. And because of the fact that before Elon bought Twitter, the left had complete, total control over the narrative, because they owned all the social media sites and they were in lockstep with the government. So it was just a dark time for information, but a few brave people, you know, braved the storm, and one of them was Jimmy.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good. That's a good.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  He's great. You would love him.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Shout out to him.

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  He's great.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I remember when the, the guy was, eh, remember that guy? I think they were in London, maybe, but it was the guy who was, eh, I think the, eh, directed one portion of Pfizer and he met with some guy and he had a body cam. The, the other guy had a body cam. It was like a, a date on Tinder or something.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was like one of those Project Veritas, James O'Keefe things.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Did you not see it?

• 1:02:36Joe Rogan?

  I, I'm sure I did.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  But this is the perfect example of how the, the Trusted News Initiative managed to, a lot of news just never got to people because the guy had a body cam and it's talking to him and, and the guy who works for Pfizer saying they just had a meeting talking about how they could weaponize these other viruses in order to basically create another pandemic to create, so that they would have the vac- vaccine to address it and make more money, which is not a surprising thing that they would be discussing. But what was great was he admitted it to the guy while they're sitting there at a little diner.

• 1:03:18Joe Rogan?

  It's always chatty gay guys.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  But no, but the main thing, huh?

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  It's always chatty gay guys. It's always a guy on a date with another guy and he's like, I'll tell you what we're doing. It's like they just chat it up and spill the beans.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  Thing like he, he got, the, the stuff that he said was incredible. What was more incredible? Oh, he told the guy basically that he'd been filming him. The guy freaks out. Anyway, this should have been across every possible platform of media.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  And yet you did not see it, zero in mainstream media. But because Musk had bought Twitter, Musk put it on and it immediately got forty million views. And also, eh, what's his name? Tucker Carlson put it on and then there was a lot of views that way. But other than that, but if you have, ask your average person, they never heard of this incident.

• 1:04:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  It's like an amazing thing, talking about, eh, what's the term for that? The weaponization of a virus, eh? Do you know? He's looking at it.

• 1:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Term for the weaponization of a virus.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Uh, anyway, uh, they, they do it, but that's what they think, uh, the, that they were doing in, uh,

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  In Wuhan.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  In China.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, a hundred percent.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  They were weaponizing.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was why you would get banned off of all these social media platforms if you even brought that up. I mean, it used to be if you brought that up on YouTube, you get pulled from YouTube. Now it's a fact.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Now it's a fact. Now it's a, yeah, undeniable fact. All the things, like you said about Robert Malone, all the things that he said are now fact. Everything, every single one of them. The fact that it doesn't stay, the, the injection doesn't stay locally, that it infects various parts of your body in different ways. If it gets to your heart, it's very dangerous, because your heart doesn't have the ability to heal, which is why you don't get heart cancer. So your heart just scars over and you get myocarditis. He, he started talking about all these different effects and, and he personally was vaccine injured. So he's a guy who took it, almost had a fucking heart attack, was like, what is going on? His, his whole body freaked out, he was deadly sick, managed to get through it, then started speaking out against it, then started doing more research and finding out what was going on, and then that was the collective freak out.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Well, he, uh, it's, it's in, you know, it's incredible that so many people were injured and yet it's still kind of not widely disgusting. I think people are discussing it.

• 1:05:47Joe Rogan?

  More people are discussing it now, but it's still, it's still, there's a lot of people that don't want to bring it up because they don't want the heat. They saw what happened to people that did bring it up and they don't want that coming their way. It's still fresh in their memory and they, they keep their mouth shut. Yeah. But over time.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Did you find out what it was called? Biological warfare? I don't know. No, no, it's.

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Is it a term?

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  There's a term for, huh?

• 1:06:10Joe Rogan?

  A term? I don't know what the term is.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, anyway, it doesn't matter.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just, uh, I don't know. It's a crazy time in this world.

• 1:06:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But crazy times are fun, too. Cause people snap out of it. They pop through it, they come out on the other side and they go, what the fuck was going on? And then you have a reexamining of society. And I think that's happening right now. And I think that's a good thing. As long as people keep their cool and they don't go tribal. You can't go tribal. You can't go us versus them. They're the bad guys. The fucking, all those people with blue hair, those fucking pieces of shit. No, they're, they're sad, lost people. That's what it is. Sad, lost, angry people that think they have to lash out at the other for the problems that is really caused by gigantic corporations and the exchange of money. Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:07:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it always comes down, eh, yeah, follow the money. Follow that fucking cheese. Every time. It's always the money. The cheese. And it's never enough. It's a, it's a weird thing about us. And again, I think part of the problem is this lack of methods to escape. And I don't mean escape reality. I mean to escape the, the fog, the fog of propaganda. And that's, I mean, that's literally why all that stuff was made illegal in 1970. Richard Nixon was trying to stop the anti-war effort in the civil rights movement. That's why they turned the schedule one, when they sweeping schedule one prohibition act of, of all psychedelic drugs.

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  That's what that was about. It wasn't about protecting society. If it was, they would've got rid of OxyContin. They would've got rid of, they got, got rid of addictive painkillers and Vicodin, Percocets. They, they never got rid of any of that stuff. They got rid of Big Macs for that matter. Yeah. Oh, I know, listen, I know you're a meat guy, you love meat, but can we say Big Macs are not the greatest thing for you? No, they're not great. They're not great for you, but I feel like you should be able to eat a Big Mac if you want to. Hey, you should be able to do anything if you want to. I wouldn't care if you shot up right now. But that's what I'm saying, don't get rid of Big Macs, but don't eat them every day, you fucking idiot. It's like I say about Doritos, people like, oh, they gotta, we should get Doritos off. No, Doritos as they are, are a perfect snack.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  They're delicious, but they're fucking terrible for you. Just like cigarettes, just like whiskey. They're terrible for you, but in the moment, they're great. The key is. Recover and then don't do it every day. That's the key. The key to all things is moderation, all things.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Dude, I wish you'd have given me this speech like I was twenty. You know, it's something precipice after twenty-one. I just started. I became immoderate, you know? In fact, I didn't even smoke pot until I was twenty-one.

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  I didn't smoke pot until I was thirty.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, I thought it was gonna turn you into a loser. Yeah. I bought into all of it. I grew up with a lot of people that had drug problems. And I wanted to succeed in life and I was, my biggest fear was being a loser. You know, just someone who just never got their shit together. And I was like, well, anything that gets in the way of being successful and being healthy and happy, avoid that.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  And now, what at point did you say to yourself, I'm definitely not a loser? There's no chance of me being a loser?

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know if you ever think, I guess I think that now. But I think you're.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Or do you sometimes doubt it and say, I'm, I'm, I'm a loser?

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, I definitely think, I, I'm very hypercritical, self-critical. So I've, you know, I battle against that. Because I think that's something that anybody who strives to be successful battles against. You always feel like you could do more, you know? But there's a balance, like being, doing more and being happy, enjoying yourself, but also accomplishing things you wanna do. Feeling fulfilled, you know? Having worthwhile goals, things that you think are valuable, not just to you, but valuable to other people.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  And then do you feel like you've, I mean, you must feel pretty good about.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I don't think about it, honestly. Because I think if you think about it, then you get lost. You then you get like, look how good I am. You know, you can get really lost in success, where you, you get intoxicated by that too. So I think you just gotta kinda exist. You gotta kinda exist and not feed your insecurities, but also don't feed any delusions of grandeur either. You know, just be a person. Just learn how to be a human being.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  But that's gotta be hard for you, dude, because, I mean, you're at the tippy-top of the tippy-top. And everybody's gotta be kissing your ass and telling you how great you are. It's gotta be hard to not allow your ego to dictate things, you know?

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know. I stomp my ego pretty good. I do it with workouts, I do it with martial arts, I do it with cold plunging and saunas. I put myself through voluntary adversity. It's pretty fucking brutal. And that's my best way to achieve like a homeostasis. That's my best way to achieve like a balance. Is I put myself through way more than life ever gives me. So that I'm always, you know, I get it. You know, you're always vulnerable, you're always weak, you're always, you're always late. There's always something. So as long as you confront that all the time, all the time, and keep your mind healthy and balanced and have a healthy perspective.

• 1:12:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a lot of like, um, new agey sort of bullshit terms that unfortunately have been co-opted by silly people, you know? And, but a lot of those like, they're very important, like gratitude. Gratitude is a really important quality that people should have, you know? Um, mindfulness is a really important quality that people should have. But these things are co-opted by goofy people that wear wooden beads and wanna, wanna want you to join their cult. You know, it's like, they want you to think that they're special and they're particularly spiritual. You know, and so unfortunately, really good concepts are often tainted by silly people.

• 1:12:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, like love and God and a lot of the things that are really like beneficial to us as a society, they get co-opted by goofy people. Like how many people have been turned off by religion by watching mega pastors in these huge churches flying around in private jets and driving in Rolls Royces? Like, oh, well, this is all bullshit. You know. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website, you should try Squarespace. I know because I use it. That's right. JoeRogan.com is powered by Squarespace. It has all the features that you need to create a standout website like

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• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. You, do you, uh...

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  I had a couple of jokes. No.

• 1:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Go ahead.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  Do you think that, do you think, um, I mean, I'm curious. I must know, I must have heard you talk about this, but what is your, your concept of religious, I mean, do you, do you have a specific religion that you adhere to?

• 1:15:26Joe Rogan?

  Not necessarily. Um, I'm not in favor of any restrictive religions. I'm not in favor of any religions that punish people that don't follow them. And I'm not in favor of any religions that...

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  That force a very rigid structure on people that has to be adhered to, or you're a sinner, cast out, or I, I think that most religious experi- I thi- I think most religion is based on human beings' very unique experiences that have provided enlightenment, and they're trying to express that enlightenment to other people. And I think the problem with religious stories are that people are full of shit, and a lot of those stories suck. You know, a lot of those stories are probably distorted by the hand of man, but I think,

• 1:16:24Joe Rogan?

  you know, I'm of the school of thought that a lot of the religious experiences that people talk about were probably inspired by psychedelic experiences. And, you know, there's a great book called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John Marco Allegro. Do you know about that book?

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  I've, I've heard of it, but I never read it, yeah.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a great book, but it's, it's very hard to follow because it's very, unless you understand Aramaic, unless you understand the, the translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, like, there's people that-

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  I'm fluent in Aramaic.

• 1:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, congratulations. Are you really?

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got Aramaic, I, I got, obviously, French, uh, I had to learn Spanish when I was working, uh, construction in Houston, and then, uh, yeah, I got, uh-

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Can you hear him with that microphone? Push that microphone up.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  I got some of the click languages.

• 1:17:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  No, I, I only speak, only English, come on, Jay.

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, the John Marco Allegro book, uh, he, he was, uh, an ordained minister, but he was one of the people that was assigned to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls, and he did it over the course of, I think it was about fourteen years. And he, then he wrote this book, cause it was his belief, and he was a very straight-laced scholar, he wasn't a psychedelic enthusiast, but he believed that the entire Christian religion was based on the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And he thinks that a, a lot of these stories, that their origins come from that. And yeah, and he believed that a lot of it was the Ammonita muscaria mushroom, which is a very confusing mushroom because a lot of people have a hard time tripping on

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  it. They don't know exactly. Then Terrence McKenna believed that the problem was that it was the psychedelic compounds in it varied regionally and genetically, and that they weren't all the same. And that a lot of these people that were having these experiences were not, it really depended upon where you get them from, and how you got them, and how you treated it. And a lot of that information was lost. And also, like, there's certain religious ceremonies that involved very mysterious things, like soma. You know, soma from the ancient Hindu texts, they don't know what was in there. They don't know what it was. But it seems like it was some sort of a psychedelic compound, whether it was a blue

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  lotus and psilocybin, or a combination of many things. You know, like the Elysinian mysteries, where, you know, in ancient Greece, they believed that that was ergot, that ergot was mixed in with the wine, ergot, which is a very similar experience to LSD. Oh. Yeah. There's a great book on that, too. If you've never read it, it's called The Immortality Key, by a scholar named Brian Murerescu, who's a brilliant guy, who's been on the podcast a couple of times. But he's done a lot of, like, really legitimate work on proving that these vessels, these wine containers, that they had from these ancient times, they found trace elements of ergot in these wine vessels. And they know that

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  wine back then was not just fermented grapes. They would add a bunch of things to the wine. Oh, party pleasers. Yeah. So these experiences that people would have, they would go to the Elysus. And I went there when I was in Greece a couple of years ago. And it's an amazing place, man. When you're there, like, it feels weird. When you go to the place where they had these psychedelic rituals, like, the place has a bizarre memory that you feel when you're there. Like, because you can literally walk on the grounds where they had these rituals.

• 1:19:56Joe Rogan?

  And you're there and you're like, whoa, like this place feels wild. It just like I, I, you know, my parent, my, uh, my, my kids rather were like, what's wrong? Like, I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. I'm just like, it's weirded out by this place. Like, I feel it. I feel like a bizarre connection with this place. Like, it feels alive. Like, it's like it's humming or something. It was very weird. Very weird. I was touching the rocks and just trying to like feel like what's going on here. It's like you got thousands of years ago, these people were just tripping balls and inventing democracy right here at this very spot. You know, it's literally the roots of democracy.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  They had to be tripping to think of something so bold as democracy.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, it literally, it is literally what we were talking about. Like, if you want something that accentuates compassion and this, the, this, this sense of family and brotherhood and sisterhood, that we're all together in this thing. What better than psychedelic drugs?

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  And that's why they're illegal. It gets in the way, it gets in the way of this us versus them narrative that is so prevalent in our goofy society that's detached from these sacred compounds.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, the herb, you know, it really is a unifying thing. I've always, from the first time I tried it, you know, I just felt such bond on me, you know?

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Such compassion to everybody around me.

• 1:21:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, makes you kinder.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  It makes you kinder.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Makes you kinder?

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why they call it kind bud.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  Kind bud?

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  That's probably why they call it that.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  I have a little of the kind bud, yeah. No, I like the, uh, uh, the image of it as just a unifier, you know?

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  And so that's what makes me wonder, why does Texas not just say, hey, let's open the doors to this. It's not a bad thing.

• 1:21:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  You could have the best cafes in Austin.

• 1:21:54Joe Rogan?

  I know. Yeah, well, it's weird because there's certain weed here that's legal. What is it, Delta nine? Is that the legal stuff or Delta eight?

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  Oh, I know what you're talking about.

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird because it's like, pretty much just weed.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I never got into that stuff, though.

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  It's just a different version of the plant.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  But it doesn't get you high.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it does.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll get you some. Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what they're doing. I don't know how they're doing it, but somehow or another, they're skirting around the rules. And developing something that is basically the same.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  I'll get over to the Delta Nine Center.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's basically like weed's twin sister that has different genetics. I don't know. I don't understand it.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Now, I heard they're trying to work out a thing where they, there's no more that, those exceptions here.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, that would suck.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  The legislature.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Uh, that's goofy. I mean, there's plenty of things to concentrate on. Why concentrate on that? It's just, uh, it's a dumb rule. It's a dumb rule that's mostly, mostly enforced by people who don't know what the experience is. They have a distorted idea what the experience is, and they think it's just gonna make people losers.

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  Well, also, it's being mandated from people with different kinds of, uh, you know, desires. And a lot of it financial, but, uh, you know, anything that does, you know, I, I consider a crime, anything I do that hurts you or your property. Otherwise, there's no crime.

• 1:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. And I think we gotta get past that. I think there's just a lot of people that recognize that. What they did in the 1970s was very effective. They threw water on the entire psychedelic movement and the civil rights movement and the anti-war movement. And they, they did it by banning a lot of these compounds that were changing the way people thought about life. And, you know, like the whole peace, love and hippie movement of the 1960s was all inspired by psychedelic drugs, all of it.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:05Joe Rogan?

  And it was a revolutionary, complete change of society from 1950 to 1960. I mean, 10 years, things became, the music and culture became almost unrecognizable. It could change so radically. And I think it was terrifying to the powers that be. And unfortunately, the propaganda that they pushed, just like the propaganda that we saw during the COVID times and... Propaganda that you have whenever there's a war, that propaganda is sticky. That stuff sticks. It sticks around for a long time. And unless you have viable representations of opposing narratives that are really effective, it's very hard for people to change their perspective on things without a personal experience. Right.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  And most of these people that are like, you know, straight laced, you know, no nonsense type folks, they don't want to smoke weed, what am I gonna ruin my brain? You know, I've heard like legitimate scientists say, I would never want to interfere with the way my brain works. I'm like, okay, do you drink coffee? Shut the fuck up. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Do you exercise? What do you do? What do you do? Do you eat good food? There's a lot of things that change the way your brain works. This is a dumb way to look.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  You really want your doctor looking healthy. You don't want to walk in, see some obese, you know, having hard trouble breathing type of guy. You know, it's gonna give you your advice.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was one of the most fascinating things about COVID. When I was talking to Dr. Peter Hotez, who's an overweight guy who eats junk food, and he's telling me everybody's got to get vaccinated, I'm like,

• 1:25:40Joe Rogan?

  are you healthy? Like, are you healthy? Cause you don't see, do you work out? Like, do you eat well? Do you take vitamins? No, no, no, no. None of those things. But you think that like, chemicals, that the only way that you're gonna get healthy is from a laboratory and an injection.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't seem real. That seems crazy.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  Well, the whole notion is to bolster your immune system's response to this specific item, right? But so, if your immune system's strong,

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  you really have nothing to fear. If your immune system's weak, you have also a lot to fear by taking a vaccine that can With this, these, this recent one, eh, it actually hurts the immune system. It harms the immune system.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Especially with repeated doses.

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Should get vaccinated. Should, should old people get vaccinated? I don't think so.

• 1:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, the problem was also any sort of, I mean, this is Dr. Burks is now admit, admitting this when she's being questioned, is that they, they stopped any, uh, early treatments that weren't the vaccine. And that they probably shouldn't have done that, and that a lot of people could have been saved because of that. And that's true. And then that's something that people need to, that's one of the, the best aspects of Bobby's book, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is like, understand, like, what pressures were put on these organizations to stifle and completely stop the, the, uh, prescription use of a bunch of different things.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, also like the studies that were done on vitamin D deficiencies, and how that impacted immune systems, and just sunlight, exercise, diet. All those things play a critical factor in how well your immune system functions. The idea that the only way your immune system functions at its peak is you gotta stick a fucking metal pin filled with a solution that gets plunged into your tissue. That's the only way. It's the only way, Woody.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  You gotta shove a fucking needle in your arm. Like, what?

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  But you make a great point because it's like, you know, why didn't we hear from America's doctor Fauci, or who, the other representatives from the medical industry, maybe eat less, uh, you know, sugar?

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  Maybe eat less fast food, maybe exercise. There was no other directive.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  Take the vaccine. That's the only directive.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  They didn't want to fat shame, so they never told anybody to lose weight, which is one of the major comorbidities that affected people negatively.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, Bill Maher was on to that really early. Yeah, that's a good point.

• 1:28:24Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, weird times. But again, I have hope.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too, man. In spite of everything, I have hope. Cause I believe in people generally, you know, like, you know, like there's people who in California and New York, they look at Texas as like, you know, this lost state. You know what I mean? Greatest people in the world.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  Greatest, kindest, nicest people.

• 1:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  But you may not want to talk about certain subjects. You know what I mean?

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  So, yeah. Just avoid those subjects. You get along.

• 1:29:05Joe Rogan?

  And even the subjects that you you're supposed to avoid, why? Why are we avoiding them?

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  Well, I agree. I I'd like to talk about any subject.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  I I like a little healthy, you know,

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  debate.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  Also, I want to know why you think the way you think. If you think totally different than me, I want to sit down with you. And I want to give you all the room in the world to say what you think. I want to know how you came to those conclusions. I want to know what your childhood was like. I want to know like, what what experiences have you had that led you to have these like, concrete evaluations of the way society is that are so different than mine?

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  That's a great compassionate vantage point. That's what we really lacked.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We need that. I you need to sit down with people that you don't agree with and find out. And oftentimes, they fall apart. That's just the fascinating thing. Give them enough room. Just keep talking to them. They fall apart. You know? One of the weirdest conversations I had on this podcast was talking to Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN. They sent him over here to fucking straighten me out. And, you know, by the end of it, it was it was a very bizarre conversation. By the end of it, he was essentially agreeing with me.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  I had heard that he didn't think you should necessarily vaccinate. I thought he was a little more progressive on that.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's smart, but he's also working for CNN. And, you know, he's also a neurosurgeon. So he's, you know, he's a bright guy. He's just like captured by the system. And that's that's part of the problem. But there was a lot of things that didn't make any sense. Like, one of the ones where he wanted me to get vaccinated after I'd recovered from COVID.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, dude, I had COVID for-

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Shouldn't that be the reason I'm already vaccinated, basically?

• 1:30:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I'd recovered from COVID in three days. It wasn't hard at all. And that's when I got hit. That's when everybody came after me. It was because I was a bad example. Because I was healthy. And I was giving people bad information by telling them all the things that I took to get better. Which is really weird. And then they focused on this one thing, which was ivermectin. I told, I led a, I read a laundry list of stuff that I took. IV vitamins, NAD, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies. I talked about all the different stuff that my doctor put me on. And I was better in three days. And then what did CNN do? They, they turned my face yellow. They, they put a filter on the video to make me look sick. And they started talking about me taking horse paste.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy. They said I was taking a veterinary medicine.

• 1:31:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, the ivermectin?

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  They suddenly calling it that in spite of it treating, you know, millions of humans effectively.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Millions. Billions of prescriptions have been filled. Billions. Billions of times, human beings have taken ivermectin.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  They have the guy who invented it in the statue at the WHO. I mean, that's why. Because he invented ivermectin and-

• 1:31:56Joe Rogan?

  He won the Nobel Prize.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  That was an interesting thing, how they made these other drugs, you know, negative, what was it? Chlor-

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Hydroxychloro-

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  Hydroxychloro-

• 1:32:07Joe Rogan?

  That was another one.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  And ivermectin, which are, have, which some legitimate doctors found to be effective, you know, suddenly you can't even bring it up. And then you couldn't even get it.

• 1:32:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Like, suddenly they made it un-gettable.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you couldn't get it from Walgreens. They wouldn't prescribe it for you. Unless you had, like, some sort of a, a-

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  Malaria or something.

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You, you'd have to have, or some sort of a parasite. That's why, you know, they said it was a dewarmer, because it was anti-parasitic. But when I said it to Sanjay Gupta, I go, but yes, but it's also been shown to stop viral replication in vitro. And I said, you know that, right? And you could see there's this look on his face, like, oh shit. He goes, that's a fact. Like, they've studied viral replication. You, you use ivermectin in Petri dishes. It stops viral replication. It's a fact.

• 1:33:00Joe Rogan?

  Like that, there's studies on this, like, it's also, it's like one of the most safe drugs known to man. It's like, the safety profile is incredible. And this idea that like, Rolling Stones, printing articles that people are having overdoses from ivermectin, and people can't get into the emergency room because of gunshot wounds. They even showed a photograph of a bunch of people outside of an emergency room, wearing winter coats in August, because it was a photograph of people waiting in line to get a flu shot. It was a bullshit photograph that fucking Rolling Stone published. Like, this is so wild to watch, because it's not just propaganda, it's really shitty propaganda. Because there's not much truthful they can say that would go against this stuff.

• 1:33:43Joe Rogan?

  So they have to just say it's horse dewarmer, you're a fool, you're taking horse dewarmer. But what they didn't understand is, at the time, they didn't understand the, the media, the, the media landscape. They thought they were still huge. But they didn't understand, like, an average video on my show was like 10 times bigger than their show. It's just, we weren't talking about it, we weren't saying it. So they still thought they were CNN, they were gonna crush this rebellion against this one specific thing that you had to do, which was get vaccinated.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  It was just fucking, remember when George, when, when Biden, rather, was on television, he was talking about the hurricane was coming? "Most important thing when the hurricane is coming is get vaccinated." "Everything's harder if you're not vaccinated."

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, all that money they gave those guys.

• 1:34:39Joe Rogan?

  They gave them a lot of money.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  They got, they had to do something, a little payback.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  It's wild, though. It's gonna affect their ability to make money in the future, that's for sure. Especially CNN.

• 1:34:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Joe Rogan?

  They all take a hit.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Honestly, I won't miss these other organizations anymore.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  I watch them every now and then.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  They, they lost my, uh, my confidence.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:06Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:18Joe Rogan?

  That, I think that's good, you know, I do. I think that's just, uh, it's, it's healthy. That's the human mental immune system weeding out pathogens.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. That's true. The media you take in can certainly be a pathogen.

• 1:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, it is. But again, there's a lot of cool shit out there. You know, it's like you can concentrate on that, or you can concentrate on how much cool music there is now. How much great comedy there is now, how many great movies there are now. There's plenty of things to concentrate on. It's like, there's just, the problem is, there's a lot of people, their business is division.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. What's that, uh, song? Politics and religion causing more division. But it's really

• 1:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  Government and media

• 1:38:10Joe Rogan?

  It's really money. It's really money. If there was no money in politics, and there was no money in pharmaceutical drugs, and there's no money in war. We'd, we'd live in a much better place.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  Oh, your lips to God's ears on that.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just, we have to move closer to that somehow or another. And whether Bobby Kennedy can help us along those lines, and all these other people that are trying very hard to stomp out a lot of this bullshit that we've been experiencing for so long. Hopefully.

• 1:38:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, Bobby, uh, I really hope he's able to do some good things, cause he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  Uh, and I think really heroic how much he stood up for, uh, things that he didn't need to talk about. You know, that didn't help him in any way, you know?

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  He just took one arrow after the other over it. And to me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, then it's heroic to do that.

• 1:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, and he wasn't wrong. The thing is, is like, I was, I was a victim of that propaganda. And I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show. I said, I always thought you were a kook. I had always heard, I'd bought into it. I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you. Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines, he's a nut. He's a, some sort of an anti-science nut. He was just a conspiracy theorist. He's just like all these other nutty people.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  And then I read his book. And I was like, okay, well, this book is real. Why isn't he getting sued? If it's not real, if it's not real, why is he getting sued? Why, if, if all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why is he not getting sued? I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said that I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them. I would, I would sue you if that was not true. Like, hey, fucking liar, I never did that. This is a lie. You can't prove, but it's not a lie.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  And if it was a lie, he'd get sued. If it be in truth, they just ignored it.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  But man, that is a, a heavy tome.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. There's some info in there, just blew my mind. You know, like, the way Fauci was able to get these, uh, principal investigators from like, all these respectable colleges and put them on these committees. They ended up saying, yeah, this is the vaccine we'll use. This is the, we'll use AZT. He started with the AZT thing.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:42Speaker 02

  And, uh, you know, AZT was known to be a highly toxic, really ineffective drug.

• 1:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  And of course, but it was, that was the one they picked. And so they started using that again. And I don't know how many people that killed. That killed friends of mine, you know? AZT was very toxic and they finally had to yank it.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  And now they use different chemical cocktails, but like, Fauci did some extraordinarily evil shit. And he knows what he did.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  He was the villain of the Dallas Buyers Club, that movie. That was about people trying to seek alternative treatments to deal with AIDS.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Oh, right, right.

• 1:41:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's Fauci.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 1:41:25Joe Rogan?

  That's AZT.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Magic Johnson got on AZT and he was killing them and he got off of it.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  And he's still alive.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  And he's still alive, yeah.

• 1:41:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a... It's a bummer. It's just a bummer that someone had that kind of power for so long. It was such a fucking monster.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you see that little meme that went around? It was right after he got, uh, first time anyone ever got pre pardoned?

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  And, uh, you said, "Nothing says tru- no- nothing says trust science like a blanket pre pardon."

• 1:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:01Speaker 02

  Picture Fauci.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem with that pre pardon is, he's pre pardoned federally, but he's not pre pardoned statewide. These states can still sue him. Not only that, when you're pardoned, then you can no longer, um, plead the fifth. So you could be held for perjury. So... There's, there's a lot of issues with being pardoned that I don't think Biden took into consideration or Fauci took into consideration either. I think they just, he just wanted anything to protect him because he knew it was coming. He knew that they had, I mean, just the emails that were available that showed collusion. Where they, he had gotten a hold of all these different researchers and changed their, their perspective on whether or not it was a lab leak. Because through Eco Health Alliance, they had funded gain-of-function research after Obama had...

• 1:42:47Speaker 02

  Gain-of-function? That's what I was trying to think. Okay, yeah, go ahead.

• 1:42:52Joe Rogan?

  But gain-of-function is essentially taking a virus and making it more, uh, infectious to human beings.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Weaponizing the virus. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:00Joe Rogan?

  The idea is supposedly to study it, but if you're studying it and you don't have a fucking cure, you've been studying this shit for so long and you don't have a cure, like, what are you actually doing? Well, you're doing weapons research. You know, this is one of the things that Bobby's talked about with Lyme disease. You know, where they tried to get him on Lyme disease, which is a very funny, uh, grilling. They say, uh, "Did you say that Lyme disease was a, uh, a leaked bioweapon?" He goes, "I probably did."

• 1:43:28Joe Rogan?

  And he did, Plum Island, they were fucking researching whether or not they could infect bugs, fleas and ticks, and then dump them on populations to overwhelm their medical system, and to use it as a bioweapon so we could invade easier. Yeah, they did that.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  We're the masters of war.

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  Uh, but yeah, that's a funny way, a good, a good impersonation, by the way.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  It's not hard.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Unfortunately, poor Bobby. I mean, if really, science wanted to fix his fucking voice, man. He's, if that guy had his old voice, he'd be a lot more powerful. It's like, people dismiss him because his voice is hard, it's, it's hard to listen to sometimes.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that condition he has, you would think there'd be some way to address it, but I don't know.

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, he believes that condition came from the flu vaccine. It's a side effect of flu vaccines. He used to take a flu vaccine every year. And so he developed this, uh, this voice problem. And he believes it's a vaccine injury, which is very ironic.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Speaker 02

  Didn't know that.

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, those fucking things don't work either. Those things, and he's talked about that, like, even if it protects you from that one flu, it makes you many more times more likely to catch other things. He were fucking around with complex systems inside human bodies with pharmaceutical drugs that have been... The way they've studied them is filled with shenanigans. They might do ten studies and one of them shows effectiveness because they've rigged the study in a certain way, and then they, like, he explained to me that the reason why they could say it's a hundred percent effective was because one person got it in the vaccine trial and two people got it in the placebo.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  So, that's a hundred percent.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, yeah, one is a hundred percent better than two, like, what? That's cra- no, that's not, a hundred percent means nobody gets infected, you fucking assholes. That should be a law, that should be a crime, to explain things like that. I had this guy on who was, um, he litigated against pharmaceutical drug companies, particularly against Vioxx, when they released this anti-inflammatory medication, Vioxx, and some fifty to sixty thousand people died from it. A bu- a friend of mine got a stroke from Vioxx. This, this guy was saying that when...

• 1:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Like when you hear peer reviewed studies, when they do a vaccine study, they don't, or a pharmaceutical drug study, they don't even give the peer reviewers the raw data. They give the peer reviewers the data as it's been interpreted by the scientists who work for the pharmaceutical drug companies. So they review it and then they give their version of it to these other scientists who are already on the payroll. They're all NIH funded, everybody's together, everybody's all in the loop, everybody's dependent upon whether or not they're gonna receive grants and funding. It's all based on Fauci and and that's how you find out whether or not something is good or bad. It's all rigged.

• 1:46:36Joe Rogan?

  And when he was explaining, I'm like, that can't be real. And he's explaining to us, showing us how it works. It's corrupt. It's fully, completely, totally corrupt. And if anything Bobby can do, it's make sure that we have valid studies, valid, real, peer reviewed studies on everything. On everything that people are supposed to be taking. Let's find out what the fuck is really good for you, because it's not like all pharmaceutical drugs are bad. A lot of pharmaceutical drugs have helped people, saved people's lives, enhanced people's lives, cured diseases. There's a lot of stuff that's great. Let's find out what it is. What's real and what's bad, and why, why are you profiting off of shit that's killing people? That shouldn't be so hard, Woody.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  I'd vote for you, dude.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't want to run for nothing.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  No, I know, it'd be a step down. Why would you, yeah.

• 1:47:27Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Just headache in your life, but I'm just saying, I would vote for you.

• 1:47:33Joe Rogan?

  Thanks, that's terrifying.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  You want to have those days where you just have a lion, you know what I mean? Not getting up till maybe noon. You can't have that if you were president, dude. You don't get one day like that.

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  No, unless you're Biden. I think he slept a lot. But he wasn't really the president.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:47:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what's really wild. I don't know, man. Like I said, I'm encouraged. And I also think things are gonna get really weird with AI. I think with AI, and especially when AI gets attached to quantum computing, we're gonna have an undeniable access to truth. That's gonna be very disconcerting to a lot of people. We're gonna have an understanding of the reality of the world that we live in. That's gonna be very undeniable. And it's gonna be strange. And unfortunately, there's gonna be a lot of propaganda that's with that too, because, you know, a lot of this AI is programmed by people. So there'll be a battle of which AI is the most trusted and effective.

• 1:48:43Joe Rogan?

  And then the real fear is that AI governs us, which is probably gonna happen. We're probably gonna be

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Couldn't do any worse. The government so far has really been subpar.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't, I don't look at individual presidents, because I just look at like, overall, the presidents have to bow down and kiss the ring, no matter who it is. So you're not getting in there.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:07Speaker 02

  So, you know, the last guy who didn't was probably John Kennedy.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:12Speaker 02

  You know, but certainly even a guy like Carter, who I love, you know, I consider the best, you know? Everybody has to kiss the ring. So

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  He didn't kiss it enough. That's why they got rid of him.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  He, you know, what he did, he, he levied a windfall profits tax on the oil companies, because they were gouging. They were making so much profit, right?

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Which happens all the time, you know, whether it be the oil companies or what, or the vaccine companies, whatever. These insane, you know, profits that are just, you know, they create some fear and then boom.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  They make a lot of money. And so, but he was bold enough to lay this, this tax on them for their profit. And that's what killed him. He was, there was no way he was getting another term after that.

• 1:50:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  And that's why, and then it was after that, that Oliver North was vital in helping to kill that rescue attempt with the helicopter.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  And uh.

• 1:50:15Joe Rogan?

  And also the Contras versus the Sandinistas, the selling crack in Los Angeles in order to uh fund all that shit. All that stuff was going on at the same time.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I totally believe that.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's fact. I had uh Freeway Ricky Ross, the guy who went to jail for it, uh on the podcast a few times.

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  Oh, was he the guy that took the plane? He had the planes and he was flying it in?

• 1:50:36Joe Rogan?

  No, that was Gary Webb. That was Gary Webb. The guy was flying into Mina, Arkansas.

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Gary Webb, right.

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:42Speaker 02

  It's a character.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no Barry Seal. Gary Webb was the uh reporter who committed suicide. Didn't he shoot himself in the head twice? Yeah, that's right. Barry Seal. Thank you, Jamie.

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  You'd think the first one would have slowed down the second bullet a little bit.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little bit. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. He was uh one of the main whistleblowers about that. Yeah, there's um it's a sordid horrible history. But Freeway Ricky Ross was unbeknownst to him, was selling cocaine, funding this war. And he didn't even know what was going on until he went to jail. He couldn't read. Went to jail, became uh literate, and then became a lawyer in jail, and then figured out that they tried him on the three strikes rule incorrectly, got out of jail. And uh, yeah, now he runs weed dispensaries in California.

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:51:33Joe Rogan?

  He's a great guy.

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  Where does he live? In LA?

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  He lives in LA, yeah.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta connect me to him. I wanna meet him.

• 1:51:40Joe Rogan?

  You know Rick Ross, the rapper? He stole his name from Freeway Rick Ross.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:51:45Joe Rogan?

  Rick Ross was a famous like street gangster. A famous street coke dealer who was making millions of dollars a week and couldn't read. He was a tennis player, a really good tennis player, who then used the discipline of being a tennis player to become a very disciplined drug dealer.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Like Pfizer, disciplined drug dealer.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and now he's uh, now he's out. And wonderful guy to talk to. Fun guy, like very happy, peaceful guy and I mean, what a story. Learned how to read in jail and then realized that they fucked him and then tried his own case and got out.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  Wow, that's impressive.

• 1:52:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, amazing, amazing.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  My, my daughter is a lawyer. She's, she's a public defender in Manhattan. She loves it.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow, that's cool.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  And so she's helping a lot of people who are at a kind of a pivotal point in their lives where it could just be.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  You know, and they can't get her unless they have no money, you know what I mean? So like they're already in dire straits and she, she just, she loves helping people.

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  She's, she's an incredible kid. I'm so proud of her.

• 1:53:02Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing. That's really, that's a beautiful way to live your life.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  And like, you're gonna be a lawyer and then it's like, oh, a lawyer that makes no money, bravo, bravo.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy like we all think like, you know, lawyers are all evil? No, there's great lawyers. My good friend Josh Dubin. He used to work for the Innocent Project. Now he works with Ike Perlmutter and we had a bunch of podcasts where we've highlighted innocent people who were incarcerated. And just through this podcast, we've got a bunch of people released.

• 1:53:34Speaker 02

  Dude, that's doing something great.

• 1:53:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, he's amazing. He's, he's like completely dedicated his life to wrongly incarcerated people.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  What's his name?

• 1:53:44Joe Rogan?

  Josh Dubin.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  Where does he live?

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Florida. He was a New York guy, moved to Florida fairly recently.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, great guy, love him to death and does nothing but great work, just helping people. Just constantly concentrating all these different cases where it's like. You know corrupt DAs corrupt prosecutors corrupt judges it's like you know it's it's all over the place like one of the guys that Biden pardoned was one of the people that was involved in that uh kids for cash where they were uh putting kids in detention centers just for profit. Oh. Yeah, you know that story, right? I'm not, no, I don't know. There was a judge, was it Pennsylvania? Yeah, there's a judge in Pennsylvania that uh was making millions of dollars through um

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  putting kids in detention centers and ruining kids' lives, causing suicides, deaths, downward spiral of their life, like wrongfully detaining them and. But how is he making, how is he getting a kickback? He's getting kickbacks, getting kickbacks from private prisons. Oh, from private prisons? Yeah, from private prisons, from prosecutors, from, I mean, I don't know exactly who was funding it, but he was convicted and he's one of the guys Biden pardoned. Oh, really? It's sick. Biden pardoned like eight thousand people. Did he? Yeah, he pardoned more people than anybody, which generally I'm a fan of pardoning people.

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  I think most people are incarcerated for far too long. I don't think it rehabilitates people. I think it probably makes them more hardened criminals in most of the cases is a few cases where people decide to take a better path in jail and educate themselves and learn and come out a better person. I've met a lot of those people. Unfortunately, I've met a lot of those people from Josh Dubin that were wrongly incarcerated and then came out these amazing, incredibly intelligent, really well-read, interesting people because they dedicated themselves to doing that while they were in jail. Because they realized like I did not commit this crime, I'm forced into this situation, what can I do to make better of my life while I'm here? Well, I'm gonna educate myself and I'm gonna come out a better person.

• 1:55:53Speaker 02

  That's great. I, by the way, I wouldn't mind a pre pardon.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  You do whatever you want.

• 1:56:00Joe Rogan?

  Pre pardon's a great.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  I got a pre pardon dude.

• 1:56:03Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that got pre pardons. They were like, how did Adam Schiff get a pre pardon? Why's Liz Cheney got a pre pardon? Like, what, what did you do? What did you do that you need a pardon?

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Also, how? It, that's never happened before. There's never been a pre pardon.

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  How can you pardon someone if they haven't been convicted of something?

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of debate on the constitutionality of it too, like whether or not that's even what the pardons were intended for. And that was a thing during the 2020 elec- like when, when Trump was leaving the office. You know, there was talk about what if he pre pardons his family? That would be outrageous and all the Democrats were against it and then

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  of course, when Biden did it, everybody just shut up. He pre pardoned his son from 2000, what, 14 or something? 11?

• 1:56:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what a good guy.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. That was necessary.

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  That was a pre pardon?

• 1:57:00Speaker 00

  He was never charged.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  Seemed like a post pardon at that point.

• 1:57:03Speaker 00

  He was about to be charged and he was never.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  What was Gerald Ford gonna be charged?

• 1:57:06Speaker 00

  No, no, Nixon, Watergate scandal.

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Watergate, yeah. That's another one.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  The Watergate one's a weird one too. Cause the, the lead guy, uh, was, uh, an intelligence agent who is, uh, all of a sudden a reporter.

• 1:57:24Speaker 00

  George W. Bush gave some to the Iran contra affair people.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what a good guy. Casper Weinberger, there you go.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  Abraham Lincoln did. There's a civil war, President Abraham Lincoln preempted pardons, part of the broader strategy to maintain national unity. Okay. Extended to Confederate sympathizers and soldiers. Okay. To, as an incentive to lay down arms and support the Union.

• 1:57:48Speaker 02

  Jimmy Carter for the Vietnam draft.

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  Yes, well.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  That was a good one.

• 1:57:54Speaker 00

  There's a few, but not like the same reasons.

• 1:57:56Joe Rogan?

  I remember I was a kid, I was living in San Francisco when the Vietnam war ended. My parents were hippies. We were living in like Haight Ashbur, like the, the, like down near Lombard Street in the middle of like hippie San Francisco. And I remember thinking, phew, as a little kid, thinking, wow, finally the war's over. I don't have to think about war anymore. I'm like, people are gonna learn from this. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners?

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

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• 1:59:19Joe Rogan?

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• 1:59:37Speaker 02

  You are, you, because you're a hopeful person.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Also, I was 10. Or whatever I was.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  Most 10-year-olds, I guess, are pretty hopeful, but...

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you're terrified, because I, you know, I had thought of the idea of being drafted, like, in eight years from now, can I be drafted and have to go and fight for some fucking insane war that makes no sense? And if you don't, they put you in a cage. Like, that was the reality of life in the 1960s when they had conscription. That's scary shit, man. You know, being forced to give up your life to go fight in some fucking insane war that makes sense, it's probably about heroin. Probably had a lot to do with heroin trade.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, they say that that bombing in Laos was a lot of that on the Ho Chi Minh Trail. A lot of that had to do with that avenue for heroin there.

• 2:00:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  On that Ho Chi Minh Trail.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about Afghanistan?

• 2:00:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, Afghanistan, yeah, that can't be a coincidence. Poppies there and poppies there.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, we were guarding poppy fields. We were, because they, we needed, these farmers need to grow poppies is like, this is how they make a living. We gotta help them, we gotta fight the Taliban. Then, you know, it's ninety plus percent of the world's opium is coming from this area, like, what?

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  Ninety percent?

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:00:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's ninety-four. I think it was ninety-four percent of the world's heroin was coming from Afghanistan while we were occupying Afghanistan.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  And now where's it coming from?

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Probably Afghanistan, still.

• 2:01:13Speaker 02

  Now it's safe.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the Taliban were the people that were against it, which is wild. Twenty twenty-one, Afghanistan produced more than ninety percent of the world's illicit heroin. However, Myanmar has since surpassed Afghanistan. Wow, didn't Myanmar just have a giant coup? Didn't they have a military takeover of Myanmar? I think they did. I'm pretty sure because, uh.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 2:01:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Burma.

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Maybe it's follow the drugs instead of follow the money.

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:40Speaker 02

  Same thing, maybe.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Myanmar coup, just write coup.

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, four years after the coup. Atrocity crimes.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Four years after the coup, chaos reigns as Myanmar's military struggles. Yeah, they're probably taking control. I mean, if you've got a place where now they've taken over the heroin production of the world, and all of a sudden you have a military coup, shocking.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:02:11Speaker 02

  It does tend to follow along.

• 2:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  Routes.

• 2:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just, it's too many things to concentrate on. That's the problem. And we're all getting inundated every day with terrible news. From all over the world. And on one side, it makes people more accountable because now you know all the terrible things that are going on all over the world. But another thing, it's like it's unmanageable. If you're one human being living in Austin, your phone is blowing up all day with atrocities that are happening all over the world. You're like, what can I do? What is life? Everything's terrible. Meanwhile, you go to the coffee shop, everybody's nice. You go to the, go to the restaurant, say hi to everyone. It's like, my world seems pretty fucking normal. But it's, but when you're inundated constantly. So you're at this constant state of anxiety and weirdness and.

• 2:02:56Speaker 02

  I know it's not a good thing, but I think that's why I stay away from the media. I don't read newspapers. I don't, you know, I just try to stay away. Cause it.

• 2:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:07Speaker 02

  It's that toxifying element, you know, it can really, and, and granted, I, it keeps me ignorant.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  It's, but they do say ignorance is bliss and I feel pretty blessed. So, I mean.

• 2:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, as long as somebody's paying attention, I guess it's okay.

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, about some of these items we've been discussing, you know, I've actually, you know, studied this. So, so. There's things that, but, but there's other things that I just can't get hit every day with like ninety things that are. So depressing, you know.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you go on social media at all?

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  No. I, I do have, uh, I have, um, you know, uh, what's the Zuckerberg? No, uh.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Instagram?

• 2:03:51Speaker 02

  Instagram. But because, you know, they, they make you like, you have to give us all your information and access to your picture. So I can't personally get on the Instagram, but if I have a picture, I have to get someone else to post the picture.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:08Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  That's probably healthier.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Huh? That's probably healthier.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Than being on it all the time. Uh, cause I know a lot of people that are on it all the time and they're, it makes them sick. It's like radiation poisoning.

• 2:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, uh, pretty much never on it.

• 2:04:22Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 2:04:23Speaker 02

  And, but I should post more. I, I post like once every six months or something. But no, I, I, I don't know. I, I'd rather have an alt to. Uh, Instagram.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  So how do you find out about?

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  Think of a good alt.

• 2:04:38Joe Rogan?

  An alt, I don't know. The problem is, well, X is what I use the most as far as like getting information, but every now and then I'll go on and watch people argue and see like this, these toxic fights back and forth. And that puts me in a shitty mood. I'm like, God damn, why do people fucking treat each other like this? Like, it's like such a stupid way to communicate.

• 2:04:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is. It's so disheartening.

• 2:05:03Joe Rogan?

  And it's also, it amplifies the worst aspects of our society, which is like shitty division. It's like shitty division is what gets a lot of clicks, you know, partisan thoughts and, and attacking people, tribal thinking, that's what gets the most clicks and that's what you see the most. But there's enough of exposing of actual legitimate corruption and information about what's actually going on in the world that I get out of there that it balances it out for me to the point where I'm, I'm willing to engage in it to a certain extent. But I don't do it at night and I don't do it when I think it's gonna like fuck me up before I go to bed. I don't, I don't do it if there's anything I really have to concentrate on, cause I don't want some new pathway to open up my mind. Where now I'm concerned about this, you know?

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  But you, you know, all of that adversity you faced, do you feel like it actually increased your popularity?

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it definitely did. Yeah, like during the COVID stuff when I was, they were trying to get me removed from Spotify. In that one month, I gained two million subscribers.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  And the height of the attacks on me, the, the show got way bigger. Yeah.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  So how many people listen to that Robert Malone show? Would you say?

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. Between Spotify, YouTube and all the clips, fucking, who knows, hundreds of millions probably.

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Oh, great.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a, a good show that gets spread around, like how many different eyeballs will see it? I mean, it really depends on how profound the person's revelations are, like what they're talking about. Like, you know, like the biggest one we ever did, well, some of the Elon, well, I think the biggest one we probably ever did was Bob Lazar. Is that number one? So the Bob Lazar one, do you know who Bob Lazar is?

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Bob Lazar is the guy that in nineteen eighty-nine, he did an interview with George Knapp in Las Vegas, and he said he was working back-engineering UFOs for the government. And he has this crazy fucking story about working at Area S4, uh, Site 4, an Area 51 in the Nevada desert, which at that point in time, the government would deny that Area 51 even existed. And he's like, "No, I work out there, and I was working back-engineering propulsion systems from crashed UFOs." And he was explaining how these things work and explaining how it's in some sort of a gravity propulsion device that works completely different than any propulsion device that we've ever devised, and that they're trying to back-engineer

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  them, they don't know how to do it, so they keep bringing in new propulsion experts. So he was a guy that had previously worked at Los Alamos Labs, and then he gets a job, and they would, they're essentially throwing as much shit against the wall as possible trying to see what sticks, like, "Can you figure this out?" And they're bringing in new people. And he was brought in apparently after, allegedly, after an accident where they tried to cut into the reactor and exploded, and people died. And so they said, "Okay, well, that's not gonna work. Let's try another method, bring in some other people." And he was one of the people they brought in. And when you have top-secret clearance, what happens is they tap all your phones, they listen to you all the time. Well, he had this job where he couldn't tell his wife what he was doing. So he would get this phone

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  call saying that he has to fly out to Area 51 at like 11:00 PM. So he would go to the airport, fly out, and his wife was like, "This motherfucker's cheating on me." So she starts fucking her flight instructor. She's got some flight instructor. And so because his wife was having an affair, and they knew it from the phone calls, they thought that he was gonna be emotionally unstable, so they removed him from the project. So he gets removed from the project, and he says, "Well, I'm telling my friends." So he goes and tells friends, like, "This is what I was doing. I was working on these fucking UFOs. They have actual UFOs. That's the one. That thing on the desk right there, that's the recreation of what he called the sport model that they worked on, that has this, this flying saucer that's behind the antlers."

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  That's like the, the three.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  The classic.

• 2:08:59Speaker 02

  It's like the Tesla three.

• 2:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:01Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  If you were to.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the classic.

• 2:09:04Speaker 02

  The peppy little.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  The sport model.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, he brings people out to, to watch. He said on Wednesday, they have these flights and they test these things. I'll take you guys out to the desert. He took them out to desert. He takes them a couple of times, then he gets arrested. So he gets arrested and he says, they're gonna fucking kill me. I have to go public. So he goes public and tells the whole story. And so he does these, a series of interviews with George Knapp, who's an investigative reporter in, in Las Vegas. And they become legendary. It's told the same story for now going on forty years. And it's an insane story.

• 2:09:41Speaker 02

  But he's still alive.

• 2:09:42Joe Rogan?

  He's still alive. Yeah, he did my podcast. So he did the podcast and I don't know what to think. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. It's, it's hard to know, but he's told the same goddamn story for all these years and he's obviously a brilliant guy. When you talk to him, he's obviously very literate in science, really understands what he's saying. And many of the things that he said from that particular interview have been corroborated by other people, including his knowledge of Los Alamos Labs. They tried to say he never worked there, but they found him on the employee roster. And he knows the building. He took people into the building. He took George Knapp in there. He knew the security guards, he knew where to go, showing everybody around the place. And.

• 2:10:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:10:21Joe Rogan?

  That's our biggest podcast ever. Cause it's so fucking nuts. There's an incredible, uh, Jeremy Corbell did an incredible documentary called, uh, Bob Uof, Bob Lazar, uh, Area 51 and Flying Saucers. And it's all about his experiences there. And it's one of those things where you just, uh, you don't know. So you, but it's, God, it's so weird. It's like if this guy's telling the same goddamn story all, and then they have all these videos of these things that the Go Fast video and the Fleer video that the government's released, that the, were covered in the New York Times. And these crafts are exhibiting the same sort of behavior that he was explaining in nineteen eighty-nine. Particularly in they, they fly like this, but then when they wanna go fast, they rotate sideways and point

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  whatever this gravity propulsion, whatever this thing is, this generator, and they shoot this way. Shoo! And take off. And there's videos of these things doing this. Forty years later.

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Unbelievable.

• 2:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that's the biggest video.

• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  I gotta, yeah.

• 2:11:24Joe Rogan?

  So that video on YouTube got sixty million views and then on all the other platforms, who knows how many? And all the clips, it's probably hundreds of millions.

• 2:11:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:37Speaker 02

  Bizarre.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's one of those things where you don't wanna think too much about it, cuz it might be bullshit. You know, that's how I feel about the whole UFO thing.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  But what's, what would be his point? What's his motivation?

• 2:11:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question.

• 2:11:50Speaker 02

  I don't see how it benefits him, other than he's got now people calling him a wacko.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Which he didn't have before.

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:58Speaker 02

  So what's the good of it?

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's a, well.

• 2:12:01Speaker 02

  You always gotta look at possible motivation.

• 2:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people that wanna pretend to be special, so they make up stories so that make them special. They make up encounters, they make up, you know, abductions, I've been abducted by aliens, I was, hey, I'm a special person, they took me aboard, I have a message for humanity. There's a lot of that, there's a lot of delusions.

• 2:12:21Speaker 02

  It's, that's a different thing.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:24Speaker 02

  I mean, a guy like that, I don't see his, you know, if, if that's what he actually did for a living, then I don't see why.

• 2:12:33Joe Rogan?

  Why he would do that.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  How he benefits.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, one of the more interesting stories is this guy, this is Travis Walton, this guy's got a little bobblehead. Uh, Travis Walton was a guy, I don't know if you ever saw that movie Fire in the Sky? It was based on a bunch of loggers in Arizona, and they saw this thing land, and this guy Travis Walton gets out of the truck and goes to it, gets blasted by this, this bolt of energy. Collapses to the ground, his buddies take off, they're, they're screaming in the car, all these loggers, like, we gotta go back and get him, we gotta go back and get him, they turn around a mile later, go back, he's gone. He's gone for five days, and then he shows up back in the town five days later with this fucking wild story of being abducted, taken aboard this craft, they healed his body. And then they communicated with him and then returned him.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  And the thing about it is, like, all these experiences, these people talk about the exact same creatures. They talk about the exact same entities, these things with big heads and large eyes and spindly bodies, and they're communicating telepathically, it's like, it's universal. It's like, over and over again, it's a very similar story.

• 2:13:40Joe Rogan?

  And the problem is if it happened to you, who the fuck is gonna believe you? It's a unique experience, a completely novel experience that only you have. And then you have to go and try to make sense of it to other people that haven't experienced it? And they're gonna think you're fucking crazy. But if you have enough of these people that say the same story over and over and over again, which is, if you read John Mack, he was a psychologist from Harvard, that did a lot of hypnotic regression work with people that have had alien abductions.

• 2:14:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I read that.

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever, it's a crazy book, right?

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  I met him, I met John.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Did you really?

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  When did you meet him?

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  I met him in, on the campus at Harvard.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  You know I went to Harvard, right?

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I had a great night and then I went back home. No, I only visited there a couple times.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know you play really good chess.

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  I do play chess.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Magnus Carlsen told me. I had Magnus Carlsen hit a couple of days ago.

• 2:14:40Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  He told me that you did one of his opening moves. That you did it for him. And he was like, what the fuck is he doing? Like, he couldn't even figure out why you did the, but he realized afterwards, like, oh, you're a really good chess player. That was actually a legitimate move. You did his opening, right?

• 2:14:54Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, I did one time, I did an opening for the other guy. What's his name? Anyway, and I'm gonna do this opening and at the same time, I wanna tip over with my pinky. Tip over the king. Just as a joke, you know, 'cause if you tip over the king, the game's over, right? So, I did that. But then, and it was kind of a chuckle and everything and picked it up. And then, he's looking quite concerned. Oh, yeah, this was it.

• 2:15:31Speaker 00

  Look.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I hit it, I knocked it down and then I pushed it. Yeah, they slow it down, you can see it. But then I pushed the pawn, right? And then I really, cause I thought he said D4. Right? He didn't say D4, he said E4. So, you know, I'm looking at his face and he had whispered it to me into my bad ear. And I'm like, well, you know, why do you gotta whisper? I'm gonna make the move anyway.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, Magnus said you stuck around and you played a lot of people and he said you were really good.

• 2:16:07Speaker 02

  Oh, that's very nice.

• 2:16:08Joe Rogan?

  Coming from him.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  Magnus Carlsen, wow, yeah, he's the Mozart, man.

• 2:16:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fascinating guy. He was here a couple of days ago.

• 2:16:16Speaker 02

  Was he?

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do admire him. He's great. And that whole thing, you know, that just happened with the jeans. Like, that was great. Did you see it? You know, he went to, he went to one of the big, uh, I forget which tournament it was, but anyway. Came in jeans and they're very strict, right? And so they wouldn't allow him to play. And then, so he basically was gonna end up sacrificing the day because he came in jeans. Right? He said, I just wasn't thinking about it, you know? Well, so then he just like, you know, you'll have to come back tomorrow, you're a sacrifice for today. He's like, you know what? I won't be back tomorrow. And then boom, they changed the rules.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  They changed it.

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a stupid rule. Who gives a shit if you're wearing jeans?

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  I know, that doesn't make you a, a, a better or worse player.

• 2:17:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, stupid. Everybody should be able to have to play in their underwear. That way you know they don't have any devices on them. You know, you're not doing anything.

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  They could have it in them too.

• 2:17:18Joe Rogan?

  They could, yeah.

• 2:17:19Speaker 02

  So maybe you gotta do a rectal probing before. This is full circle with the talking about the aliens, but you know, maybe you have to do something before to.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, we got into very specific ways that people cheat. It was pretty interesting. He was talking to us about, uh, the different ways that people have been busted cheating. Different people signaling them in the room, moving to different parts of the room if they wanted the piece to move in a different area.

• 2:17:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, cuz he, that one guy, he said was cheating. He, he said he knew as soon as the move was made and then he walked out. That was another time.

• 2:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  He, he just like, there's no way this guy made this move. No chance.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  That was what was fascinating, that you could tell by the way a guy's playing that something was amiss. That there was, this is not inside of his capability. He knew the way the guy played so well that you could tell that something was off. Which is so crazy, which is, I'm not literate in, in chess, so I don't understand how you could do that, but I believe him. Especially when you talk to him, like...

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  Well, he's got a thumper in his sock or something, you know, somebody's giving him a...

• 2:18:24Joe Rogan?

  He thinks it's an earpiece.

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  Looking on a computer and then dun, dun.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  He thinks it's a, an internal, like a very small invisible earpiece.

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  Is that what he thought?

• 2:18:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, that's what he thinks. He thinks that one of the possible methods. And then, then there was the anal beads. People were talking about anal beads.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Anal beads. It's like I don't want a thumper in his sock. He just wants to go. Pure inside man.

• 2:18:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess it would like vibra- I guess you would do it like vibrate a, a certain amount of times first to indicate the letter and then a couple times to indicate the number. And that's where the piece would go.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  Little Morse code in the, uh, record cavity.

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  How long you been playing chess?

• 2:19:06Speaker 02

  I started, I mean, I started playing more probably like ten years ago or maybe more than that. I started playing, uh, Willie.

• 2:19:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  Started playing Willie all the time. But then we'd switch over back to dominos. He crushes me in dominos and then I was mostly winning chess. And then toward the end of our, uh, battles, he started switching to just, you know what, we'll just stay with the domino.

• 2:19:37Speaker 02

  Such a hustler.

• 2:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Such a hustler. Yeah. I tried to interview him, but he's scared of COVID.

• 2:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Old guy, you know?

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's ninety-two.

• 2:19:47Joe Rogan?

  Can't take a chance getting infected and, you know, that a lot of old people, I got it. I got the fear because it's like death is close to them. It's just they're too vulnerable. I get it. I get why they got roped into it.

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, the the the fear of germs, uh, yeah, that's.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  That was the Neil Young thing too. That's why I gave Neil Young a pass. I was like, I get it.

• 2:20:12Speaker 02

  You still see wearing masks.

• 2:20:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, all the time, even in Austin.

• 2:20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:17Joe Rogan?

  I see them driving their fucking car still with masks on.

• 2:20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, alone in the car with the mask.

• 2:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're just sick.

• 2:20:23Speaker 02

  Confuses me. But, you know, like, uh, I fear is a fairly relentless occupation for some. And I I don't know. I I just, you know, I studied the, you know, the germ theory. You you know how it came to be the backbone of Western medicine, do you know?

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  The Rockefeller thing?

• 2:20:46Speaker 02

  Well, that that, yeah, that came after this. But, yeah, Rockefeller, uh, pushed, uh, pushed that whole narrative. But but it was, uh, before that in the eighteen, what was it, eighteen eighty-seven or something, eighty-nine? Where, uh, Louis Pasteur stood before the French Academy of Science and said, "I've realized the origin of all disease and it's the germ theory." And he took credit for the germ theory, which of course had been around for centuries at that point. But, uh, there was another guy named Antoine Beauchamp,

• 2:21:27Speaker 02

  who who was actually a real genius, whereas Pasteur was a charlatan and, uh, used to, he basically stole all these good ideas that he never had from Antoine Beauchamp, including how fermentation works, uh, how they had they had diseases on in the grapes of, uh, at the time. So how to deal with that disease and also, uh, having to do with, uh, uh.

• 2:22:00Speaker 02

  You know, uh, where they make the silk, like silkworms and stuff. That also was another thing that Bechamp figured out. And then, you know, uh, Pasteur, who was on the same committee, ends up reading these papers and basically kind of putting his own spin on it and getting credit for, you know, the fermentation, the silkworms, the wine thing. You know, like each thing, he becomes more and more famous. And he, until he's able to sit down in front of Napoleon in 1863, Napoleon III, he said, "I, I will eliminate all disease. Oh, I will eradicate all human disease." He was an arrogant guy and he was a complete fraud.

• 2:22:46Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that a bummer?

• 2:22:47Speaker 02

  And Pasteur believed the germ theory, obviously. That's the theory that he pushed, right? And then Bechamp believed in the terrain theory. Now, that's what I believe. The terrain theory, the germ theory, obviously, a pathogen, a germ, a virus, whatever, lands in your cornflakes or on your eyeball or whatever, it gets inside you.

• 2:23:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:13Speaker 02

  And then in this blank, pristine, blank slate environment, it causes damage, maybe sickness and eventually death. To me, eh, it's, I don't believe this theory as much as I do the, uh, the terrain theory, which is that your health is dependent upon your internal biological terrain and your internal filthiness or cleanliness. And so that's what I believe is where people's immune system gets messed up from what they're consuming. And in a nutshell, that's why I believe in Bechamp's theory as opposed to the germ theory. And at least it's gotta be both.

• 2:23:57Speaker 02

  At the very least, it's gotta be both.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  I would imagine it's both. Um, I mean, we know for a fact that one of the main factors in eliminating diseases in North America was when they started having hygiene and when they started having flowing water and sewage systems. And that- Just having cleanliness, I mean, most cities at the turn of the century were filled with filth. I mean, during the smallpox epidemic, people lived terrible. They lived in filth. When you had the various, like, there's a bunch of different diseases that could be attributed to poor hygiene.

• 2:24:41Joe Rogan?

  Poor hygiene, no access to antibiotics, no access to any kind of medicine. And we all attribute that just to a disease broke out. But why did the disease break out? Well, the people were living in filth. There was no running water. They didn't have any sewage systems. They didn't have, they didn't have any sort of antibiotics, and including, like, when people talk about the Spanish flu, like, if Spanish flu broke out today, we'd be fucked. No, we wouldn't. First of all, we have antibiotics now. Spanish flu would be killed quickly. It's the, the real factor was all these diseases that people were getting because of the infection that could be cured by antibiotics.

• 2:25:23Speaker 02

  I'm not a big antibiotics guy.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  At all?

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I took them. I took them one time. I, I credit them with really having saved me, but...

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they'll save you under certain conditions.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  Right, right. If your immune system's shot and there's nothing else you can do to bolster your immune system in this, in a, in a, in a short amount of time, where the, whatever is happening is happening quickly.

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  But you're saying like ubiquitous use of antibiotics for everything?

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, where it's just like, it's like a Pez dispenser. And, and it, and it does affect your immune system adversely, especially continuous use of antibiotics.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  It's also why we have MRSA.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  MRSA. MRSA is medication-resistant staph infections.

• 2:26:11Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  And that's, I've had a bunch of friends who get that, because it's one of the side effects, one of the unfortunate aspects of jujitsu, is a lot of guys get staph infections. You know, if you're not clean, you're not taking care of... Getting scratched and scraped up, and you're on the ground, dirty mats. People come in dirty and you can get an infection. I've had staph twice. You get staph, ringworm, a bunch of different things that people normally get on the mat. But there's ways to combat that in, in a healthy, organic way. And one of the best ways is the use of... There's a bunch of different oils, tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil, a bunch of oils that

• 2:26:54Joe Rogan?

  don't affect your skin biome in a negative way, but what they do is they protect you from bad diseases. And there's a company called Defense Soap, and I always recommend it to, I don't have any affiliation with them, my friend Guy Sacco runs the company, but he developed it because a bunch of wrestlers and grapplers were getting skin infections. And so he developed natural remedies that are, that don't affect your, because a lot of times guys would take like antibiotic soap, and they would clean themselves with antibiotic soap. The problem with that is it kills all your healthy flora, all the skin flora that's healthy, that gets torched too. It's taking a blowtorch to, you know, like a small patch of weeds that you could just pluck out. And instead of doing that, he developed this soap

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  that uses all these natural, organic remedies that, you know, doesn't affect you in a negative way at all. It's the only soap I use. I use that soap every day. And it keeps your skin healthy and it doesn't fuck it up. So there's ways around it. The real way is to prevent it though, because once you actually get staph, especially if it's aggressive, you gotta take antibiotics or you're fucked.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Well...

• 2:28:02Joe Rogan?

  It gets systemic.

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  My friend's wife...

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, go ahead.

• 2:28:06Joe Rogan?

  My friend, his friend's wife rather, died of it. She was trying to do it organically. She was trying to like use herbal remedies and she wound up dying of staph infection. Because it gets systemic. Yeah, it gets into your blood and goes into your whole body and then you're fucked. But you really have to get on a heavy hardcore IV antibiotics for long stretches of time. So I've had friends that have huge scars on their body because they got a massive MRSA infection in their knees. And then they had to get it all opened up, they have to clean it out, and they have to get them on IV antibiotics. It's a fucking, it's a nightmare. And it's one of the main reasons why people die after surgeries. It happens after surgeries where people get MRSA infections.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, Jesus.

• 2:28:51Joe Rogan?

  Superbugs.

• 2:28:52Speaker 02

  Let's just stay healthy.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes, stay healthy, Woody.

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Do you eat only vegetables? Is that what you're talking about, like meat? Are you a vegan?

• 2:29:01Speaker 02

  I'm a vegan.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 2:29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:06Speaker 02

  But, you know, I mean, I really, my, my real belief is in raw, living food. Uh, because I feel like, you know, we, we talk a lot about you getting your protein, or you getting your carbs, or whatever. I think the most important component of the food are the enzymes.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  The enzymes being the life force of the food.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:31Speaker 02

  And, and the enzymatic activities, your eyes blinking, your heart beating, those are enzymatic activities. If it wasn't for enzymes, we couldn't do them.

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  Like, enzymes are highly important. Anything you cook over a hundred and eighteen degrees for a minute, you destroy the enzymes and most of the nutritional value of the food.

• 2:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:49Speaker 02

  And that's why I'm a believer in, in raw, living food. And, uh, I just know from when I, you know, I've had lots of experiments for when I was doing it, and when I was eating a lot of cooked food, and, you know, you can really feel the difference. It's, it's, there's no question about it, supporting the energy of the body better than anything. But meanwhile, I agree that it's very hard to avoid eating cooked food because it's delicious.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:20Speaker 02

  But to have as much raw as possible.

• 2:30:23Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  That's my thing. And I eat, I, I, you know, I take, uh, I try to get a lot of sprouts and microgreens and everything. And, and then, you know, I also eat, you know, cooked food.

• 2:30:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you take algae or anything, were you getting B vitamins, do you think?

• 2:30:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I take, right, I, I do take, I take niacin. I take, uh, I should take more of a comprehensive B vitamin, probably. But I, I do take, uh, reishi, and I take, uh, ginseng every day, uh, yeah.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  So, healthy mushrooms?

• 2:31:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I believe in the healthy mushrooms and.

• 2:31:05Joe Rogan?

  I take all that stuff, too?

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a cool, yeah, I, I, I gotta get on the regular medicinal mushrooms, those are crucial.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  And especially brain refu- uh, repair, which is, I think, something I need.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  I think we all do.

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  You fix those pathways.

• 2:31:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:24Speaker 02

  That have been compromised.

• 2:31:26Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever fuck around with nootropics? Do you take any nootropics?

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Uh, nootropics are essentially nutrients that contribute to cognitive function. Uh, building blocks for human neurotransmitters, acetylcholine, uh, theanine, things along those lines.

• 2:31:42Speaker 02

  No, I don't do that, but.

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:31:44Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm open minded.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:48Speaker 02

  I imagine, uh, Downey would know all about that stuff.

• 2:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I bet he would. Yeah.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's really, really knowledgeable about that. But you've studied this shit too, yeah.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The thing about it is like you could almost take stuff all day long, cause there's so many different things that could benefit you. You would like, you'd have to have a fucking stack of shit in front of you all day long, which gets tiresome. You know?

• 2:32:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I'm, I much prefer, I mean, I think the best thing for, um, restoring health for, if you're sick and you wanna get better, is fasting.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  Fasting is fantastic for you.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Thousands of years and it just works.

• 2:32:30Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  Because the congestion in the body is really what disease is. It's congestion.

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  It's inflammation.

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  Generally, that, but yeah, inflammation, you could call it that too, but it's, but that, that congestion begins in the colon.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:32:47Speaker 02

  And so you don't clean that out, issues.

• 2:32:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Do you concern yourself, do you eat organic vegetables only?

• 2:32:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's, that's huge because, I mean, I think, what is it, like ninety something percent of people tested have glyphosate in their system? I was reading some study on fucking, um, on Girl Scout cookies. Like how, how many, like they've done studies on Girl Scout cookies where they break them down and find out what's in them? Oh, holy shit. They're fucking toxic as fuck.

• 2:33:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie. I sent it to my wife, cause she, she's trying to avoid Girl Scout cookies.

• 2:33:25Speaker 02

  See the smiling face of the Girl Scout? You can imagine she's gonna give you something bad.

• 2:33:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those little hustlers, they, they've, they catch it at the grocery store. Uh, I'll find this for you, Jamie. There was, uh, this thing about, oh, here it is. Uh, the different seed oils, all the different things in them.

• 2:33:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's probably one of them. What does it say here? Thin mints being the worst offenders, five flavors of Girl Scout cookies contained scroll up, back up, back up. It's contained levels of glyphosate and heavy metals above EPA water safety limits. New investigation found 100% of tested Girl Scout cookies contained glyphosate, 100%. Controversial herbicide and Roundup, 88% contained toxic metals like arsenic, lead, and mercury. Key finding, Thin mints had the highest glyphosate levels at 111.07 ppb. Uh, 334 times what experts say is harmful.

• 2:34:28Joe Rogan?

  Peanut butter patties had the highest heavy metal contamination with lead reaching 42.5 ppb and aluminum at 27,500 ppb, ppb, ppm. 76% of cookies tested exceeded cadmium safety limits and 96 contained lead.

• 2:34:48Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Girl Scout USA, which sells 200 million boxes per year, $800 million in revenue, did not respond to researchers before publication. I wonder why?

• 2:34:58Speaker 02

  Didn't respond.

• 2:34:58Joe Rogan?

  I wonder why? I wonder why they wouldn't chime in? Are they crazy?

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  See, there you go. And by the way, that's, that, you could replicate this same thing in so much of the American diet.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  What does Girl Scout cookies have to say? Girl Scout cookies are made with ingredients that adhere to food safety standards set by the FDA and other relevant authorities. Oh, really? Our trusted bakers remain committed to compliance with all food safety standards. Maybe we should change the fucking food safety standards. Just because you're complying with bullshit standards.

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  That's what I'm hoping is gonna happen going forward.

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  I'm hoping too. I think, uh, you know, I don't know how much Bobby can affect things and what he actually can do, but I know what he's trying to do. And one of the main things he's trying to, this whole idea of this Maha movement, make America healthy again. And that's possible. This is something we could do and...

• 2:35:49Speaker 02

  It'd be so nice to, and then, and, and, you know, not a lot of, you know, it could be relatively simple.

• 2:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:57Speaker 02

  Just modification. Doesn't have to be a revolution in one's diet, but like, you know, first thing I'd do is cut out Girl Scout cookies.

• 2:36:08Speaker 02

  That's my first.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that a hundred percent of them have glyphosate. Like, fucking A, man.

• 2:36:14Speaker 02

  Well, the glyphosate, it's just absolutely crazy. And, and you know, like, it's just still, we know how toxic and terrible it is, and we're still using it constantly.

• 2:36:23Joe Rogan?

  And other countries aren't.

• 2:36:24Speaker 02

  In corporate, you know, or industrial farming, you know, it's just wrong. I know you're into regenerative farming. I think that's great.

• 2:36:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:33Speaker 02

  But, but, you know, you see, over the long haul, the regenerative farmer gains. He gains financially, and he gains in terms of the soil not just turning to shit.

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:45Speaker 02

  Well, you want some shit in your soil now. Okay, well, let's not get sidetracked.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:50Speaker 02

  But, but, yeah, like, you know, it's a net gain in the end, so hopefully.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  It's carbon neutral.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:58Joe Rogan?

  And everyone's trying to reduce carbon. Organic farms are carbon neutral because that's how nature intended animals to live. That's how nature intended us to grow crops. It's all supposed to be animals, graze, manure, all this different stuff. It, it helps.

• 2:37:14Speaker 02

  You gotta think of the soil biome just as much as you have to think of your own biome.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it all works together. And thank God, there's people out there like Joel Salatin, who runs Polyface Farms, and Will Harris, who runs White Oak Pastures, who have educated these people, and gone, written books, and gone on these tours, and explained to be like, Will Harris, who's been on the podcast a couple of times, like, he spent twenty years changing his family farm, which was a industrial farm, into regenerative agriculture. And you could see the difference in the soil. He, we have two bottles of soil, two glass bottles of soil out there. One from an industrial farm, and one from his farm. And the, his farm is dark and rich and filled with nutrients.

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  And the other one is just pale and dead, and just covered in bullshit fucking chemicals.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  And meanwhile, that's the stuff that gets highly subsidized.

• 2:38:10Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  So, yeah, it's a catch-22.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  If the real value, if the real expense of what happens to that soil were experienced by the American taxpayer, I think there'd be a revolt. Well, you never know. We're lazy people. I'm a lazy bastard.

• 2:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, the real problem is, we have so many people that need food, and that we're reliant upon factory farming right now, to a large extent, because there's enormous populations of people that live in a place where they grow nothing. Whether it's New York City, or it's Los Angeles, it's urban environments, they need food constantly shipped into them, and no one's growing anything, and the population keeps booming, and it's like, you gotta get these people food. And we, right now, are dependent upon factory farming for a lot of that food.

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  Well, I wonder if you could, through regenerative farming, you know, cover it.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  I wonder.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  Could that ultimately be...

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wonder. I think people are definitely gonna have to change the way they eat.

• 2:39:14Speaker 02

  It has to change. We at least have to change the way we farm, because otherwise we're gonna have, you know, just more desertification.

• 2:39:24Joe Rogan?

  But at least people are aware of it now. At least there's more information and more education about that today than has ever been before. I mean, there's just never a discussion when I was a kid. I never heard anything about that. It was just being done, and this is just, you got food, and you didn't think about where it came from. And then the term "organic" came around, like, what's that? Like, it's no pesticides. Like, what's a pesticide? What's on the food? You know, like, we didn't know. And if, back then, there was no access to any information other than mainstream media, so it was pretty easy for them to keep going on with these practices without, unless you went out and sought it out, and went and found books, or someone told you about a book, you didn't know. You didn't get that information. I think more people have that information now than ever

• 2:40:08Joe Rogan?

  before. So that's one of the reasons why I'm hopeful. And I'm real, and I think Bobby really does have an idea of how to do this. And I hope he's successful.

• 2:40:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too. Well, listen, brother, it's been great talking to you. I really appreciated it. I'm very happy to meet you. I've enjoyed your work for so many years. So, it's a pleasure to do this and...

• 2:40:32Speaker 02

  Well, pleasure's all mine, dude. I really am. It's a privilege to be here with you. Thank you for having me on.

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Let's break bread someday.

• 2:40:41Speaker 02

  I'd love to.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Have a good time. Hang out.

• 2:40:43Speaker 02

  Great. I'll get your info and I'll give you my email.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  We're friends. All right. Sounds good, brother.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  All right. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here.

• 2:40:50Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  All right. Bye, brother.