Hannah Fry

This week we have science guru, maths mastermind - and owner of the best hair of all time - Professor Hannah Fry! Hannah is a TV host, university professor, AI consultant, social media superstar, and now she adds another string to her bow as the face of the new podcast series ‘The Rest is Science’. Over a delicious lunch we covered everything from Korean skincare routines, to cooking her ex-mother in law’s Indian recipes, her dreams of being a hairdresser, the science behind the best Yorkshire pudding, dabbling in stand up comedy, and we hear about the classic ‘Irish Mixed Grill’ - aka 5 different types of potatoes all on one plate! Watch this space, Hannah has absolutely nailed the science behind skincare and it’s only a matter of time until she’s the face of her own beauty series too. The new series ‘The Rest is Science’ is available to listen everywhere now. Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/ Follow Table Manners on: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:03Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here in my kitchen with my mum. How are you?

• 0:08Speaker 01

  Got a pain in my bottom.

• 0:09Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  I've got a bit of a physical problem.

• 0:12Jessie Ware?

  A physical situation. Got it. Well, thank you for being here.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  You're very lucky I'm here, darling.

• 0:18Jessie Ware?

  I thought you were going to say you're very welcome, but yeah, no, I am lucky. I'm lucky you're here. I'm lucky that you do the podcast. I'm lucky that you keep coming back for more. I'm lucky that you're my mum.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:28Jessie Ware?

  I cooked for lots of people yesterday.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:30Jessie Ware?

  And something that I want to speak to Hannah Fry, our guest today, who is the cleverest woman in the world.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  She seems to be.

• 0:37Jessie Ware?

  Do you want to give Hannah a bit of an introduction, actually?

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Well, I've admired her for a long time.

• 0:43Jessie Ware?

  Where did you first see her? On Have I Got News For You?

• 0:45Speaker 01

  I watched on Have I Got News For You, but I'd heard her voice on Curious Cases. It's a radio programme she presents with Daria O'Brien. And it's very interesting. It's all about science, but she makes science really accessible. She's also really a gorgeous woman, seems to be the cleverest woman I've ever come across. And she's very funny on Have I Got News For You.

• 1:09Jessie Ware?

  She's brilliant online, too. Like, she'll teach you on TikTok how to open a jar when you can't get that jar open by simply breathing out. I also have listened to her new podcast, The Rest Is Science, that she presents with Michael Stephens, which is... I mean, I'm not a science head, but you know, they're talking about mosh pits in there.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  She kind of applies maths to everyday life, like romantic attachment, all sorts of things. I think people that do maths are so clever, don't you?

• 1:40Jessie Ware?

  Well, I just, it's just not my thing.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 1:43Jessie Ware?

  And I've never been good at it.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  No, but she's made it kind of sexy.

• 1:48Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. I mean, I'm sure she's really sick of the kind of Carol Vorderman comparisons.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54Jessie Ware?

  But she is a remarkable woman that's doing so much and we've been wanting her for a very long time.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  Desperate.

• 2:01Jessie Ware?

  We've managed to get her.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02Jessie Ware?

  I'm cooking, I'm making... Because I had lots of people over yesterday, I've gone quite easy breezy today. Well, I say that. I've had two mistakes in the kitchen, which are kind of scientific experiments, I guess, mistakes. I wanted to make a chocolate mousse.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19Jessie Ware?

  So I made like a load for my friends like yesterday and I was making enough for today. And I stupidly, cause I'm impatient, added some cream to melted chocolate.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  And?

• 2:31Jessie Ware?

  It meant immediately seized up and created a ganache. It went into a paste.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 2:37Jessie Ware?

  And I still put it in with the egg whites.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  And it didn't loosen up?

• 2:41Jessie Ware?

  It's just gone ve- no, it did. It was fine, but then you put it in the fridge and then it's just like hardened. So it's neither a mousse nor a ganache, somewhere in between, and it's a little bit grainy and I'm really sad.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  What are you going to do?

• 2:52Jessie Ware?

  Um, and then I made something from our cookbook. That's a chocolate mousse tart, because I had it in my head that I needed to make a chocolate mousse and redeem myself.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:00Jessie Ware?

  So I've done our chocolate mousse tart, which is like a digestive chocolate butter base.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06Jessie Ware?

  And then you do a kind of chocolate mousse with a bit of espresso, instant granules. And then you set it and it's probably going to set for about half an hour to um less, but I think it'll be fine. And then from, so working backwards, we've got the chocolate mousse tart. And then I've done Alison Roman's, I've seen it going about.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Have you?

• 3:26Jessie Ware?

  Ed Smith Rocket and Squash, he's my guy that does good eggs, who I love. Who I did the delicious dal of. He like tries out different recipes from different books and I love Alison Roman anyway.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Thought it was banging.

• 3:39Jessie Ware?

  He said this was banging and this is her caramelized shall- shallot. Caramelized shallots with anchovies and like a full tube of tomato puree. You just like melt down the shallots with this garlic, sliced garlic. And you put the anchovies in, you put the um puree in. And it's like a kind of shallot paste, delicious. I had some with my eggs this morning, delish. I'm just gonna do that with bucatini, the one with the hole.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 4:08Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and then you put a bit of parsley and garlic on the top. And I've got some sourdough that has risen.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Good.

• 4:15Jessie Ware?

  And herb salad, and then I actually, because I over ordered, I've got really delicious natura vine tomatoes. And I've got some buffalo mozzarella, so we'll have that too.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Fabulous.

• 4:25Jessie Ware?

  Also, I made a focaccia yesterday. I was so excited by the pillowiness of my focaccia. I set about making one for today.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Didn't work.

• 4:35Jessie Ware?

  Why did my focaccia mix not work, yet my sourdough mix has worked?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  I'm going to ask her about my bottom. Everything. Anything scientific, we'll just ask her everything.

• 4:46Jessie Ware?

  Do you think she's just like, why do I become so clever?

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:50Jessie Ware?

  Or do you think she's the greatest person to have on a pub quiz group? Is there anything Hannah Fry can't do? We'll find out in Hannah Fry on Top of Manners, coming up.

• 5:07Jessie Ware?

  Hannah Fry, we're getting straight into it. Yes. We are thrilled to have you.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Oh, not as thrilled as I am to be here.

• 5:13Jessie Ware?

  Do you do your own hair? Can I just ask?

• 5:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  It's gorgeous.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  I did. Yeah, I do.

• 5:18Jessie Ware?

  Is there a mathematical equation of how you get a good blowout? Because that's incredible.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  I mean, look, it's my thing. It's a Dyson.

• 5:26Jessie Ware?

  No, but do you use the air wrap?

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I use the air wrap. And then pin it afterwards, that's the secret.

• 5:30Jessie Ware?

  Babe, that's an amazing blowout.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Honestly.

• 5:33Jessie Ware?

  You should be a new ambassador for Dyson.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  I genuinely think my career wouldn't have gone half as well if it wasn't for my hair.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  And I mean the mathematical side as well, by the way. I think it's like, I'm riding a tidal wave of success, thanks to this stuff.

• 5:49Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  The colour is gorgeous.

• 5:51Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. Is it a bottle?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:54Jessie Ware?

  Shut up.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:55Jessie Ware?

  Not even like the Stacey Dooley bottle?

• 5:57Speaker 02

  No. Try and find a root anywhere, my friend.

• 6:00Jessie Ware?

  Do you not even have greys?

• 6:02Speaker 02

  I like little ones round by my ears. So I like cover those up, tiny little bit there, but that's it. I don't touch that. I don't touch this stuff. Every now and then.

• 6:10Jessie Ware?

  Congratulations.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 6:12Jessie Ware?

  You know, your PhD sort of thing.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  It's gorgeous.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Of all of the unimportant things, hair is the most important.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Of course it is.

• 6:19Jessie Ware?

  It's so important.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Of course it is.

• 6:21Jessie Ware?

  It's so important. Anyway, how are you? How was your weekend?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Really good. Really good. It was my daughter's birthday. It was very sweet.

• 6:28Jessie Ware?

  How old is she?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  She's nine.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Oh, same as Jessie.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 6:31Speaker 01

  She started being a bit hormonal.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes. There was. Yes.

• 6:36Jessie Ware?

  How did the birthday party go?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  It was really good. It was really good. We haven't done the Friends birthday party, so it was just family yesterday. But, you know, I think she was awake at 5am. There's like always a lot of sort of over excitement and stuff. So there was like a few moments of sort of having to pull her to one side and be like, okay, you know, we need to calm it down.

• 6:55Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  When's your daughter's birthday?

• 6:57Jessie Ware?

  She was nine in September.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Got you. Same school year then.

• 7:01Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, um, is she good at maths?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:06Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my goodness. But like.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  I feel quite bad for her.

• 7:10Jessie Ware?

  Why?

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Because I think, well, okay, so I, what I didn't wanna do is I didn't wanna sort of like hot house her. I didn't wanna do what, what my mum did to me, which is like force her.

• 7:20Jessie Ware?

  Well, can you explain, cause I know a little bit, but like, what did you, what did your mum used to do to, to you on some holidays?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Okay, so she, um, she's like, she's, she's this Irish Catholic, right? And, and I sort of think that, um, the Irish Catholics, uh, in general, just like doing hard things because life should be suffering.

• 7:42Jessie Ware?

  Did you go to convent as well?

• 7:44Speaker 02

  She did go to a convent school, yeah.

• 7:46Jessie Ware?

  But you didn't.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  No, God.

• 7:47Jessie Ware?

  Thank God, yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  It was, it was a religious school, but it wasn't a convent necessarily. Um, and, uh, yeah, so her idea was, you know, you just, you have to do as much torture stuff as she can. So she would like push the maths in particular. And there was one summer holiday when I was about eleven, where she got a maths textbook at the beginning of the summer holiday. And she was like, right, you're gonna do a page of this every morning before you're allowed to go out and play.

• 8:10Jessie Ware?

  Did you hate her at that point? Or were you kind of like, yeah, I'm up for it?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  She's probably good at maths, so she didn't mind.

• 8:17Jessie Ware?

  Was there, had she seen something in you?

• 8:20Speaker 02

  I don't know, because the thing is, I mean, I think that there is this like public perception that people who are good at maths are the ones who are sort of born to do it. You're, you know, you come out of the womb that way. And if, if you're not, then that's.

• 8:31Jessie Ware?

  That's what we think, don't we, Jessie?

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Yes. I don't think that's true, you know. I think it's more like running, right? So, okay, of course, people like Usain Bolt, born that way, you know, extraordinary. But you still get people who are like really good, happy, comfortable runners, just because they want to do it, just because they'd spend time doing it. And they practise, exactly. And I think that's, I think that's it. It's like, sure, if you go into like a maths department of a posh university, maybe those people will, will all have a natural ability that they're sort of, you know, have honed over the years. But I do also think that it's like, actually, if you want to do it, if you pay attention to it, if you like enjoy puzzles and games, the more you practise, the better you get at it.

• 9:15Jessie Ware?

  Do you think there's a maths bit of your brain?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Like your brain, you know, there's certain bits that's emotion. So there's a maths bit that you can increase its power.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  And like grow it like a muscle, yeah. Um, so I do think there is, yes, I do. And definitely, there's like times of my life where I've been more intensely doing something and I can sort of feel myself stronger in exactly the same way as you do when you sort of go to the gym. But I actually, I once made this program where they tried to find the maths bit of your brain. And they put me in a scanner while I did sort of complicated maths things. There was a study that they'd done in advance of this. I wasn't the only like participant. But basically, it's the visual part of your brain. So if you think about it.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  So it's patterns.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  Patterns, exactly. But it's like you're seeing them. So if you think, if I say to you, I don't know, something simple like, okay, what is eight plus four?

• 10:07Jessie Ware?

  Twelve.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  Right, thank you. Great, thank you. But i- in my head, when I'm doing that, I'm sort of seeing like that there's a gap that's left over by eight and 10. And I'm sort of imagining that it's sort of filling in that slot.

• 10:20Jessie Ware?

  Lost me, Hannah.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 10:21Jessie Ware?

  Hang on, hang on.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Do it, do it again.

• 10:23Jessie Ware?

  Do it again?

• 10:24Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's a, I think, okay, if you say, if you say eight plus four.

• 10:29Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  In my head, what I'm doing is I'm sort of thinking, okay, well, eight and 10, there's like a gap of two. So I'm sort of taking the four and I'm slotting it into that gap. And then there's two left over.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  I clearly don't have a maths brain, because that isn't how.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  How do you do it in your head? If I say.

• 10:45Jessie Ware?

  I mean, I, I rarely do it, Hannah. To be honest, I have an accountant and I, I became a singer, so.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I just know eight and four.

• 10:54Jessie Ware?

  No, but I'm interested by this idea that you're, you're not sure if your daughter's as kind of naturally

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:00Jessie Ware?

  gifted as you, right? Or, well, not many people are, I'm sure, I'm positive. But I'm thinking about my nine-year-old daughter and thinking she's incredible at reading music.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:11Jessie Ware?

  But hates maths and I'm like, hang on, that's a visual thing. Is it not? So should that not apply to then? Isn't there a theory that musicians like are good at maths or is that something that we've read somewhere?

• 11:24Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I think that there is, or I think maybe the other way around, that mathematicians are good musicians.

• 11:28Jessie Ware?

  Are you good at music?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:29Jessie Ware?

  Okay, right.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  I've ruined it, I'm sorry.

• 11:32Jessie Ware?

  No, it's okay.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  But but how would you encourage someone who has potential but they're lacking confidence? How do you, I think it's confidence.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  I think it's confidence too.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so and girls aren't as confident as boys.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  And there's loads of, I mean, there's loads of stuff that's been done looking into this because it's not just confidence. Confidence is sort of like, oh, I think I'm really great, whatever. There's something more specific, which is called um self-efficacy. Which is basically, if I give you a problem, do you think you'll be able to solve that particular problem? Right? And this is something you can measure. You can get people to rate like, oh, I think I can, you know, I I'll give myself a good chance of being able to solve it or not. And with maths, it's like the one subject above any other where that matters more than anything. If you believe you can do it, you are more likely to persevere and succeed.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  This is what you've got to do, give her confidence.

• 12:26Jessie Ware?

  Okay, are you getting your daughter to do um maths books on holiday?

• 12:30Speaker 02

  No, absolutely not.

• 12:32Jessie Ware?

  Because that is a a complicated memory for you that feels like.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  I think that's what it is. Okay, hmm, there's a slightly more more nuanced answer, right? Okay, I think that one of the reasons why my my eldest daughter is not into maths is partly she's sort of rebelling a little bit.

• 12:49Jessie Ware?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  I think because, you know, everyone around us is like, oh, your mummy, the mathematician, da da da. And so I think she's sort of like, oh, I just like, can't can't handle it. Um, so I always think when people ask me questions, how do you get your kids into maths? I'm always like, I'm the worst person to ask because my own daughter hasn't succeeded.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  When you go to parents' evening, does the maths teacher kind of get very anxious when she sees you?

• 13:10Jessie Ware?

  Maths teacher is the English teacher, the.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. You know, everything. Get very anxious when she talks about maths?

• 13:16Speaker 02

  No, well, I don't think so. I like to think not.

• 13:18Jessie Ware?

  Um, we will be feeding you. Are you hungry?

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:21Jessie Ware?

  Okay, I'm gonna go and put the pasta on, but in the meantime, let's find out about who was around the dinner table when you were younger and what's a memorable dish.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Okay, so uh I uh I should confess, I'm not a foodie, you guys.

• 13:36Jessie Ware?

  Do you like eating?

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Sh- I mean, who doesn't like eating?

• 13:38Jessie Ware?

  But like, it's so it's not, okay, that's fine.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  But you, you eat to live rather than live to eat like us.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Yes, I think I do. I think I do.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not just fuel for us. We are consumed by food, yeah.

• 13:52Jessie Ware?

  What did you, what did you have for breakfast?

• 13:55Speaker 02

  I haven't eaten breakfast.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Neither have I.

• 13:58Jessie Ware?

  Is that because you forgot or you just couldn't be?

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Often I forget and.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Jessie never forgets.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  I mean, but don't get me wrong, at the same time, I will like happily demolish an entire bag of Haribo. So it's not like.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  The Tang Fas sticks.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Oh, the Tang Fas sticks. I would have thought you were a star mix person.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Well, thank you very much. You clearly have a higher opinion of me than I deserve.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  But they're just out, they're a bit shy.

• 14:26Jessie Ware?

  What is it about redheads and sweets? Jerry Halliwell came on here and it was her last supper.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Really?

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Pickled mix, yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Actually, I have to say, you guys, I was listening to some of your episodes this morning. My goodness me, your roster of. Guests is incredible. You guys are amazing.

• 14:45Jessie Ware?

  And this is when I add, where I add that you have been the hardest looking ever to get.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Because you've been top of my list for ages.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Oh, bless you.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  And I kept, please, and they've said we've got your reward in heaven now.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  We've got Hannah Fry.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  It's because I've got about seven jobs. That's genuinely the reason. I'm so sorry.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Okay, so I am a professor at Cambridge University.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Oh, you still?

• 15:10Speaker 02

  I'm still a professor.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Um, I also have a podcast, The Rest of Science, that I do twice a week. Oh, my gosh.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  I also work with Google Deep Mind. I've been working with them for years and years and years about artificial intelligence. I'm also supposed to be, oh my gosh, writing a book that's due in two and a half months and I've only just started it.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, there's a lot going on.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  I've got confidence in you.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  Oh, and there's also TV programmes. So I forgot about that whole extra career.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Are you doing any more? Have I got news for you?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes, probably.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  It's my favourite. You're very good on it.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Oh, that's very kind of you.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Is it scripted?

• 15:50Speaker 02

  The.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  A bit.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  The hosts. Stuff is, um, so the stuff that you do to camera, that's scripted, that's all.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  You have to re- respond to their.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's all, that's all unscripted.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they really genuinely don't know what's coming.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  They see the, um, you go in and you have like, cause, cause you have to be a panelist first, right? Before you host it. So as a panelist, maybe, uh, I don't know.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Have you been on both sides?

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Been on both sides.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, hosting is so much easier.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 16:18Speaker 02

  So much easier.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Um, and I think partly because I'm like a mini control freak, right? So it's like knowing what's coming up makes it much easier.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Um, but when you, when you go on as a panelist, you turn up maybe an hour before the recording.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  And they show you the missing words round. So they will show you those headlines in advance. And they'll show you the caption competition that they do.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  That's it. That's all you get.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Nothing else.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  But you do get a bit of a chance to come up with something.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  On, yeah, on those quick, I mean, yeah.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  But you, you've been a stand up comedian.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  That's sad. Well, we've read that.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  But you did stand up comedy.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  I did, yeah, but like maybe five times.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Okay. But you must have fancied yourself as someone that could make people laugh.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  No, I, no, I think it's, um, no, and I almost feel like sort of struggling to breathe with the embarrassment of it. Of me even suggesting that that might be the case. Um, no, it was that, so I had a friend of mine who was running a stand up comedy night. And was trying to do, I mean hilariously, a science themed stand up comedy night, which is, you can imagine was a not a roaring citizen.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Challenge, exactly. Anyway, he basically bullied me into doing it.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  And I have this, this philosophy, which is that I would always rather sort of meet a challenge, give something a go and be terrible at it.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Than have, than, than be, you know, sort of in my old age, wondering all of the, all of the opportunities that I turned down.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  So I was like, okay, you know what? I'll just, I'll give it a go. So I did it and I, I, I must have spent honestly a month writing this thing. It was like a five minutes there and I, I was feeling. Way too much time on it. But it was actually genuine. I was actually quite proud of it in the end.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Okay, good.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Um. So then there were a few other gigs that I took it to. But but then what happened was someone who was watching, someone who just happened to be in the audience of one of those gigs. They were organising a TED event, a TED, a TED conference, yeah. So they were like, oh, do you wanna come and do a TED Talk? I was like, I mean, again, same philosophy, why not? And then for that TED Talk, I wrote something completely new, The Mathematics of Love. And that ended up being in the top five most TED Talks, most watched TED Talks of the year. So that was basically how everything started.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  So the mathematics of love.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Exactly. But I will say, I am much more comfortable standing on stage where people do not expect me to be funny.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Than I have in a.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  So you've done all these different things. You're not in the framework of presenting strictly as well, are you?

• 18:58Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Be. You could say who's gonna win and who's not gonna win and the probability.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  I know, exactly, calculating it all.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  So the mathematics of dating, is it dating or love?

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Of love, yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  And what did you come up with?

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Um. So it was, uh, the, the, the sort of, the funny thing about this was that I recorded it. When I was engaged, I think, just before I'd got married, right? So I'd like, I was so sort of full of success of like, oh, I've. I've managed to successfully navigate dating. I've found the person for me. Isn't this great? So I'm like, has all of these formulas, some of which had, had something cute to them. Um. And sort of standing on stage being like, guys, let me tell you all about this. Uh. Ten years later, I'm now divorced, so.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, didn't work out, yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  So basically, don't listen to anything I have to say. That's, uh, that's.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  But you're back in the dating game.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I was, yeah, I'm not now, not now. Oh, I found, I found a very excellent human.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Oh, good, good, good.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Really lovely man called Ollie.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Uh. How many children are in your family?

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I've got two sisters.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Are they as clever as you?

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Uh, I think.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yes, the older one is, yes.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  What does she do?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  I, I think the younger one is as well, but she was dyslexic, so she. And you know, her, it wasn't like, she wasn't pushed as much, I guess. Um, my older sister, she, she also did a maths degree.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Um, and, but she is, I don't know, she's worked at how to live, if that makes sense, right? She is very much live to work, don't work to live.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  She like clocks off at exactly the right time. She has like hobbies all over the place. She's like really sociable. She's just, she's, she's got it sorted. She's like, she hasn't made, you know, like her mathematical ability. Her identity, you know what I mean?

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Why do you think you're so driven?

• 20:50Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Are you the middle one?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  I am the middle one. Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. So who did the cooking at your house?

• 20:59Speaker 02

  My mum did.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  And was she?

• 21:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Okay. Is she, she's Irish?

• 21:05Speaker 02

  She's Irish, so.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  So was it Irish fare?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Uh, well, yeah, but do you know what Irish fare is? It's boiled ham and boiled potatoes. Exactly, boil anything. That's, that's essentially her, uh.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Um, I, I've said this, uh, said this like, uh, in a newspaper article before. I think the first time I said it, she was a bit annoyed with me, but you know, that's fine. But she, um, oh, she's like, she's not a good cook at all. She's not good at all. She doesn't, um, again, it's like, it's not part of her, it's not part of the thing.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Did she work as well?

• 21:34Speaker 02

  She did not, no, she, she was stay at home, yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  And pushing her children.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, just pushing her children, boiling meat, yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  What did dad do?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  My dad worked in a factory.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Um, he was fitting hydraulic lifts onto trucks.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So like a super working class family. And I think that actually quite a lot of people think because, um, of my fake accent.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Fake accent. We've all got fake accents.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  No, exactly. Um, but no, yeah, like super working class family.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  And so it was mostly boiled anything?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  What, what was your celebration meal, if it was someone's birthday?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Uh, we might go to a beef eater. Do you remember them?

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, beef eater.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  That was if it was a really special occasion.

• 22:18Jessie Ware?

  So this is lunch, it's Alison Roman's caramelised shallot and anchovy pasta. It, it has got a bit of chili in it, mum.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:26Jessie Ware?

  And then we've just got a herb salad with lemon and oil and then. Mozzarella and delicious tomatoes. And Jesse's homemade bread.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Oh my lord, this looks.

• 22:36Jessie Ware?

  I didn't think this one through, doing spaghetti whilst doing a pod.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  Nah, don't worry about it.

• 22:43Jessie Ware?

  Worry about it. It's not exactly Lady and the Tramp, is it? Do you cook for your kids?

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I do. There's a friend of mine called Chris Mantelukin, he wrote this book called Super Processed People.

• 22:53Jessie Ware?

  I love Chris.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  He's amazing.

• 22:55Jessie Ware?

  We were on something.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Have you had him on?

• 22:56Jessie Ware?

  We've been desperate. It's Dr. Um, the operation ouch.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  He's a, he's another person who's doing seven jobs.

• 23:03Jessie Ware?

  I nearly got tickets for their Boxing Day.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 23:06Jessie Ware?

  They're amazing, those guys.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Aren't they amazing?

• 23:09Jessie Ware?

  They are like gonna make my son be a doctor.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 23:11Jessie Ware?

  I love that, I love that programme so much.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 23:15Jessie Ware?

  So Chris is your mate?

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Chris is my friend. He wrote this book, Super Processed People.

• 23:18Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  And I, I just think he, you know, really crystallized the problem with processed food. So I try to just always cook from scratch for the girls. Yeah.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  Wow.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  I mean, it doesn't work that often, but like, I try, I try. Um, so yesterday, for example.

• 23:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  We had, when it was my daughter's birthday, she wanted burgers and chips. So it was like literally from scratch, smashed burgers. Um, I didn't make the bread, but everything else was made like, like hand cut fries.

• 23:50Jessie Ware?

  Amazing.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:52Jessie Ware?

  Did she eat it?

• 23:53Speaker 02

  You know?

• 23:54Jessie Ware?

  Did she eat it?

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:55Jessie Ware?

  Oh, great.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  It was great. Yeah. Turns out doing burgers for 12 people is actually.

• 24:00Jessie Ware?

  An effort?

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Stressful getting good timings, right?

• 24:03Jessie Ware?

  Cooking them, yeah. Did you use a barbecue? Oh god, and then the kitchen's all bloody.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Spattered.

• 24:10Jessie Ware?

  Oh mate, did the fire alarm go off?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 24:13Jessie Ware?

  Have you got any bloody hack about how to not make my fire alarm go off, apart from like not put the batteries in?

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Wait, where is it? Up there?

• 24:19Jessie Ware?

  It's a absolute nightmare.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Problem. Oh my god, it's there.

• 24:23Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Is that meaning it's gonna go off more?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:27Jessie Ware?

  Why? Oh, look at her, the brain is working.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  This is my, my PhD was in fluids.

• 24:33Jessie Ware?

  Oh, really?

• 24:34Speaker 02

  So basically like aerodynamics.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  We know about how you do air conditioning.

• 24:39Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, right.

• 24:42Jessie Ware?

  Thank you.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I haven't recorded any videos for ages, but have one for the winter about how to warm up your hands.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Um, do you want it?

• 24:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Okay, so basically, you, if you hold your hands, like, try and make your, try and bend your hand back as far as you can. And then hold your arms down straight.

• 24:59Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Right. When your hands get really cold in winter, when you can't feel your fingers, this is like the quickest way to get blood into them. It's a whole like that and then pump your shoulders, basically. And you can almost feel that, I don't know, I can, I can almost feel the blood, yeah. The blood go down your fingers, but it really, really quickly, literally everyone's saying it, this is hilarious. And then you rub your, no.

• 25:19Jessie Ware?

  That's brilliant.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Have to tell the kids at school.

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Do you go out to eat a lot? You live locally?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  So where's your favourite restaurant?

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Um, hmm, there was a place, do you remember the Sparrow?

• 25:32Jessie Ware?

  I never went, but why did it close?

• 25:34Speaker 02

  I don't know, I think it was Covid.

• 25:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh, such a shame.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Oh, it was amazing. Amazing. Um, I quite like going to, um, there's a couple of little places in Deptford.

• 25:45Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Under the arches.

• 25:46Jessie Ware?

  Which ones? Oh, do you, um?

• 25:48Speaker 02

  There's the taco one, that's amazing. Taco Taco, I think it's called.

• 25:51Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Um, but like really beautiful, fresh tacos, really incredible. There's, uh, broccoli as well, it's got some really good places. Yard sale pizza, blimey, I love that place. Oh, my gosh.

• 26:01Jessie Ware?

  Very good. Um, have you tried Dinner for One Hundred, though?

• 26:04Speaker 02

  No, what's that?

• 26:06Jessie Ware?

  They're lovely boys and the pizza's incredible. Please, can you go?

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Okay, do it, I will.

• 26:12Jessie Ware?

  This is going down better now.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  With the food.

• 26:15Jessie Ware?

  It's a table wine. It's like, you know, it will do the job.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  I think it tasted, maybe it's a different one.

• 26:23Jessie Ware?

  Was it the second bottle?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  No, it, it tasted fine the other night.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Do you have wines that you go back to over and over again?

• 26:29Jessie Ware?

  I do.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Jesse loves Chardonnay.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 26:32Jessie Ware?

  I love Chardonnay, but I've gone off, I can't drink red and butter Chardonnay anymore, it's actually makes me feel a bit funny. Um, do you have wines that you go back to?

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Um.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is. Actually, I tend to drink, hmm, this makes me sound like a massive knob. Um, if I drink wine at home, I tend to drink prosecco.

• 26:54Jessie Ware?

  Why does that make you sound like a knob?

• 26:55Speaker 02

  I don't know, just like, you know, I'll just have my everyday drinking prosecco.

• 26:59Jessie Ware?

  I think that's fab.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  Is that all right?

• 27:01Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Do you like prosecco?

• 27:02Speaker 02

  Well, obviously.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Prefer it to champagne?

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Hmm, no.

• 27:06Jessie Ware?

  No, but it's more affordable.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  You can drink it every day.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  I think if I was drinking champagne every day, that really would make me look like a knob, wouldn't it?

• 27:13Jessie Ware?

  The thing, the thing is, with the prosecco, you're gonna have to finish the bottle. Unless you've got a hat, but how to.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 27:21Jessie Ware?

  Come on, Hannah Fry, give us the hat for how to keep your fizz fizzy.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  It's not, it's not.

• 27:25Jessie Ware?

  You've just got one of those things.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also you can put a spoon in.

• 27:29Jessie Ware?

  Does that work?

• 27:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. So I'm, I wanna look into it, because I think.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  My sister said that there was a, there was a reason, and I didn't listen when she told me. But I do trust her as a person.

• 27:42Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  So, I'm gonna say yes with confidence, enough confidence that you believe it too, but then secretly look into it later and.

• 27:49Jessie Ware?

  Okay, fine.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Would that be the drink on your last supper?

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, that or just beer, frankly.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  You like beer?

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Frankly, I know.

• 27:56Jessie Ware?

  What beer?

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Just like really boring beer, just really boring.

• 28:00Jessie Ware?

  If we're going to the pub together, what beer are you ordering? A local ale or?

• 28:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:05Jessie Ware?

  Uh huh.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  What I, what I think for the last supper, I think it's gonna be Indian.

• 28:09Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Um, and you know that thing where you go to an Indian?

• 28:15Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  And they bring out the cobras and they're really cold and you're like eating poppadons and it just like.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Just goes well with the curry. What's the name of our favourite Indian? Ghana? Oh, Ghana Patti. Have you been there?

• 28:27Speaker 02

  No, what's that one called?

• 28:28Speaker 01

  Um, Ghana Patti in Peckham.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Oh, oh.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  It's the best Indian food I think I've ever tasted, yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  So my, um, my ex-husband was half Indian and his mum, oh my gosh, her cooking, I cannot even describe to you. Like, it sort of ruined Indian restaurants for me because there's nothing like home-cooked food. Oh my gosh, it was incredible. But she would do these things, um, it's like the one thing that we fought over, didn't really actually fight at all, but the one thing that we were like. Had a, a sort of jokey fight over when we got divorced was her, was the recipes that I'd written down that she'd, uh, given me. Yeah, amazing food.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  It sounds like you guys are on well with.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really well. So we've got the Cobra, the cold Cobra. Yeah, not necessarily a Cobra, but just a very, very cold beer.

• 29:19Jessie Ware?

  What's on the order of the Indian?

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Okay, so it's homemade. There's um biryani, which I uh have learned how to cook. Am I allowed to cook my own Last Supper?

• 29:33Jessie Ware?

  I mean, this is really bold considering you say you're not really into food. I'm into this. It's kind of wild, but I'm up for it.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Okay, but maybe what I mean when I say I'm not into food is that like, you know, when people are really into food and it's these little delicate bites, they're sort of like this.

• 29:47Jessie Ware?

  That's not you.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  No, I just want, I want to shove my face full of carbs. Right, I want like there to be no limit to the amount I'm eating.

• 29:55Jessie Ware?

  Okay, great.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  That's the situation I want to be in. Um so there'll be that, there'll be the biryani. There's also a cabbage curry with coconut in it.

• 30:02Jessie Ware?

  Cabbage curry?

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Oh my god, it's so good.

• 30:04Jessie Ware?

  Is that what your mother-in-law?

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and look, all of this, I'm gonna be honest with you, is what she's taught me to make.

• 30:08Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then actually, there was a um a sort of uh a kind of um a chicken and um gravy recipe that a friend of mine found in a really, really old cookbook. And I've been cooking that for years, so I think I'd probably have that too.

• 30:25Jessie Ware?

  Is that Indian or is that separate?

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Indian as well, yeah, but like they're sort of Indian gravy, you know.

• 30:30Jessie Ware?

  What's an Indian gravy?

• 30:31Speaker 02

  So they call it gravy, I don't know why, um but it's like you cook the chicken separately. So you sort of like marinate it for ages and then and then you um like on a high heat, get it to sort of sear and spices and people. Um but then separately, you make this sort of like base with onions and garlic and then tomato and yogurt and like, you know. Really, really slowly, yeah, absolutely delicious.

• 30:54Jessie Ware?

  I would like these recipes.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 30:56Jessie Ware?

  This is great. And then what? So the biryani is?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  She's going to give them to me. The pictures of them, I've got photographs of them, because that was the, that was the deal, right? Was that like, I have photographs of it.

• 31:05Jessie Ware?

  Well, you're still friendly with this mum.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was also at my house yesterday, yeah, it's really nice. Um but the photographs that I have are like, there's like butter stains on the, you know.

• 31:16Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  I mean, that's basically the secret to Indian cooking, right? It's just like an unimaginable amount of fat.

• 31:21Jessie Ware?

  Ghee.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  Ghee.

• 31:22Jessie Ware?

  Do you use ghee or just butter?

• 31:24Speaker 02

  I do sometimes use ghee, yeah.

• 31:25Jessie Ware?

  Where'd you get ghee from?

• 31:26Speaker 02

  You can buy it in like, buy it in supermarkets now.

• 31:29Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, in a supermarket, you can get it.

• 31:31Jessie Ware?

  And what do you think the difference is between ghee and butter?

• 31:33Speaker 01

  I you're asking the wrong girl here.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  I think it's that with butter, when you have it in the pan, it quite quickly starts turning brown.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, burned.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Whereas ghee.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Higher temperature.

• 31:45Jessie Ware?

  Can you bake? Because you're a scientist and mathematician.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Um, no.

• 31:53Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  I mean, sure, I can whack a cake together, but like, I think I could take a scientist's approach to it.

• 32:00Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Um, actually, I have taken a scientist's approach to Yorkshire puddings.

• 32:03Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Oh, tell us, because I'm hopeless at them.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Mm.

• 32:07Jessie Ware?

  Come on.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so here's, so basically I've like run different experiments with them.

• 32:11Jessie Ware?

  I love that this is, okay, great.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Um.

• 32:14Jessie Ware?

  Are you like, kids, I'm in the lab, excuse me.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Zelly, coat on, goggles on.

• 32:19Jessie Ware?

  Amazing.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Um, okay, I think the thing that makes the biggest difference.

• 32:23Jessie Ware?

  Is?

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Um, well, two things. One is the pan has to be, and the oil in it especially, has to be unbelievably hot.

• 32:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Like, when you pour it in, it has to start sizzling immediately.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  And then secondly, I think pre-making the batter.

• 32:38Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  And letting it still.

• 32:39Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  And then, so I'd like make it maybe even the day before and let it go in the fridge and then bring it out and then temper it basically and then.

• 32:47Jessie Ware?

  I saw something about these, this, uh, this place in Manchester, and I'm feel really bad that I can't remember the name of them. But they are known for their Yorkshire puddings and she made the batter the day before.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:57Jessie Ware?

  And she said that, that it was, and just like boiling hot.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which recipe do you use?

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Um.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Your own?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 33:07Jessie Ware?

  Doesn't cook though, not big cook, not, not, not that hot.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  But it's just the same of all three, right? That's all you do, it's just the same amount of.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Milk, flour and eggs.

• 33:15Jessie Ware?

  Really? Oh, I didn't know that.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Right, by volume, yeah. Just whack it in.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Did you know that?

• 33:19Jessie Ware?

  So, two eggs would be the equivalent to.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, or like, you can do it in, sometimes I'll do it in a glass where you like, you put the two eggs in a glass and then you work out how high it is and then you just go, and then. Oh.

• 33:30Jessie Ware?

  Oh, wow.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  I do also do pancakes for my kids every morning.

• 33:35Jessie Ware?

  Okay, let's hear your pancake recipe.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  I'm not. That I just do it by the eye now. Great.

• 33:41Jessie Ware?

  Hmm. Are you using oats? Are you doing like the, are you doing the kind of protein ones? Are you just doing like crepes? What are you doing?

• 33:46Speaker 02

  No, I'm doing like crepes, like crepes.

• 33:48Jessie Ware?

  Every morning?

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 33:50Jessie Ware?

  You're a good mom.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  What do they have on them?

• 33:52Jessie Ware?

  You're mad.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  No, meanwhile, I'm like, okay.

• 33:56Jessie Ware?

  Flipping a pancake.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  And what do you have on the topping?

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Well, this is, this is a moment of discussion at the moment. They, they have Nutella, but I sort of wanna make it more fruit, to be honest.

• 34:06Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. I mean, to be fair, like, I did eggy bread this morning. I, I feel like we run a calf in the.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 34:12Jessie Ware?

  But like pancakes, that's, that's time consuming, Hannah.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I don't know if it is though.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  No, it isn't, once you've got the batter made.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Egggy bread is, is, is.

• 34:20Jessie Ware?

  No, it wasn't. I won't be doing it tomorrow.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  To be honest, it's, it's about processed food, right? Cause I buy, I, I make my own bread, have my bread maker, right? And um, I like make sure that I buy really nice flour that's like, you know, has a high. Hmm. Yeah, your bread looks delicious.

• 34:38Jessie Ware?

  Thank you.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Is it sourdough?

• 34:39Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Hmm, gorgeous.

• 34:40Jessie Ware?

  Have some. Um, I, I made a focaccia that didn't work out yesterday, so this is, we, luckily I'd made two things, so we got the sourdough.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Do you need it yourself?

• 34:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Don't use a machine?

• 34:52Jessie Ware?

  I don't have a machine, no. No, but I think you're probably very clever having a machine, cause do you make sourdough?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 34:59Jessie Ware?

  No, because I think you have to, I, I don't know, by the way.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  You can need it in the, yeah.

• 35:03Jessie Ware?

  Can you do a sourdough in your bread maker?

• 35:05Speaker 02

  The bread maker, yeah. And then just work it out.

• 35:07Jessie Ware?

  I think that's what I like about making it, is the kind of the stretch and the fold and stuff.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Really?

• 35:12Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and like.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Hands not hurt though?

• 35:14Jessie Ware?

  No, because it's different. It's not, it's not like that.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:18Jessie Ware?

  It's um, and I now, my TikTok is all just sourdough bakers telling me about how to like make my starter more happy.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  Really tasty. It's soft as well, it's beautiful.

• 35:28Jessie Ware?

  Oh, thank you. Um, do you use, um? Dried yeast or active yeast?

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Dried yeast.

• 35:36Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  What do you use?

• 35:37Jessie Ware?

  Well, I use the starter, which is kind of my little bit of bacteria.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  That is cheating a little bit, doing the dried yeast. But this is, but this is my, like, my, what I'm thinking here is like, okay. My bread from the supermarket is just like literally full of shit.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 35:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Well, it's just, there was one thing that Chris told me that is just so like.

• 35:55Jessie Ware?

  This book's really like stayed with you and I, yeah, I should read it and then.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Let me, let me tell you this one thing about Pringles, okay, so.

• 36:03Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my God.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Good God, I'm sure they're not.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  They are delicious and they, I know that's fine. It's okay, it's okay that they're delicious.

• 36:09Jessie Ware?

  Just tell me.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:10Jessie Ware?

  She's had a bag and bloody, a tub in Lanzarote gone.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  No, no, you're fine. It's okay.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Polystyrene, nothing.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  It's not gonna, it's not gonna hurt you. So, so the, the whole point about like, our bodies are so perfectly tuned to what we're eating through literally millions of years of evolution, right? There's this thing about, you know, you, um, when you're craving something, if you're like, oh, I really fancy some chocolate today. It's probably like some tiny little molecule in the chocolate that your body knows that it needs, right? You were incredibly good at knowing. And the thing about the way that we eat is that once it gets to a certain point in our intestinal system, it releases a hormone that tells us that we're full, okay? Um, and that is like the way that it has always been.

• 36:51Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  And if you eat whole foods from scratch, you will know when you're full. The thing about Pringles is that they are so processed, they're basically predigested. They're like macerated in a, um, in a lab and then reconstructed.

• 37:08Jessie Ware?

  So once you pop, you can't stop.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Quite literally. So what happens is when you eat them, they literally dissolve before they reach the part in your body where your body sends out a hormone saying, thank you very much, I'm full. So you, I mean, it's quite literal, you can, you will never get full on them. And like, the thing is, is that there's very clever people, very clever scientists over many, many years who've like had people coming in and testing their products. And the thing that they, they care most about when you like go in for a taste test is not like, what's more delicious? What did you enjoy more? It's literally, how much did you eat? Right? Like. It's kind of like hacking our bodies against us and like optimizing for volume. And so I think this is the thing about like cereal is another example. Cereal just like disintegrates again before it sort of hits the stomach.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Cocoa pops, whatever it is. So I just don't really want them to kind of eat that sort of stuff. So I would rather spend an extra ten minutes in the kitchen, like making pancakes from scratch, because I know the flour is good. I know it's good eggs. Like, I know the milk is good, whatever. And a bit of Nutella. Um, but then, you know, I don't know, like, have them just eat nonsense. That's not real food, you know?

• 38:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. I never, and this is not to shame anybody who's putting like a bowl of Rice Krispies, because usually that's what my kids want. But I just don't think it fills them up.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my, that's my main thing.

• 38:30Jessie Ware?

  I know you're not gonna eat the lunch that they're gonna give you, so I may as well like.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  I, I must be the only person in the world that doesn't think porridge fills you up.

• 38:37Jessie Ware?

  I don't think porridge fills me up.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  It never fills me up. If you have rolled oats.

• 38:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  Or what's the other one? Uh, yeah.

• 38:44Jessie Ware?

  Jumbo, milled?

• 38:45Speaker 02

  I can't remember. There's some, there's some, there's some type that is fine. Basically, like for our whole history, we were, we're supposed to eat stuff like, you know, like salad leaves, right? Whereas like the, the wall of the, of the, the cell of the salad is like so difficult for our bodies to get into. Like for our, we have to like physically digest it and rip it apart to get to the nutrients and stuff. And like, if you are, yeah, if you're eating processed food, you're just not doing any of that work. By the way, before you think that I'm like some kind of like super mom, they eat crisps all the time, right? And like they eat biscuits and stuff. It's not that they never have this stuff. It's just like, I try.

• 39:22Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Um, Last Supper, so we've got the, we've got the main. What are we doing for starter?

• 39:29Speaker 02

  I don't know, I've ummed and ahhed about this one. Okay, there is a duck salad that they sell in the Ivy in Blackheath.

• 39:37Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Delicious. Don't judge me, but I'm just obsessed with it. It's so nice. It's got like pomegranate seeds in it, like a little burst of happiness as you go. Yeah. But, but I think it would be some sort of salad, probably with some sort of bird on it.

• 39:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  But I think salad with like sweet bits in it, that's I think what I like. Sweet bits of fruit.

• 39:54Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  You know, something like that. And duck is tasty. Yeah.

• 39:59Jessie Ware?

  And then for pudding.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  For pudding. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go simple. I'm gonna go chocolate mousse.

• 40:04Jessie Ware?

  This is so thrilling to hear because you have a chocolate mousse tart coming. But this is after cocking up. I've got, I've got two versions of chocolate mousse.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 40:14Jessie Ware?

  I made, I had lots of people around yesterday and I was like, right, I'm gonna make the pudding for tomorrow. So I have little ramekins of chocolate mousse ready for us to eat. And then I served the big vat of chocolate mousse to my friends and I was like, it's grainy and it's really thick. And I cocked up when making it. I just added cream to the melted chocolate and it created like a ganache.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:37Jessie Ware?

  It seized up and it's scientifically, I don't know what happened there. Something makes it seize up. So I did a new one today because I was just like.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Oh, bless you.

• 40:45Jessie Ware?

  And I'm glad that I did because if it's your favourite, then.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Can I try the old one as well? Can we do a taste test?

• 40:50Jessie Ware?

  Yes, we can.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Can we see, can we see if we can guess which one?

• 40:52Jessie Ware?

  No, you'll be able to guess because one's a tart and one's not. And one is thick and halfway between a mousse and a, I don't know what, but it, yeah, it was a shame.

• 41:11Jessie Ware?

  I would like to know, um, if we were coming around.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 41:15Jessie Ware?

  I feel like I know this answer, but if we were coming around, what would you be cooking for us? Would it be your mother and ex-mother? Oh, what do we call her?

• 41:22Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 41:23Jessie Ware?

  Your mother-in-law?

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Ex-mother-in-law.

• 41:24Jessie Ware?

  Ex-mother-in-law, um, uh, her curries, is that what you do?

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Um.

• 41:29Jessie Ware?

  What's your showstopper?

• 41:30Speaker 02

  I don't really, hmm, I'd like, in the old days, I did used to have showstoppers. I would used to do like rack of lamb on, I don't know, like, um. But you know what? I'd probably do a cock of a.

• 41:39Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, probably do a cock of a.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Cock of a.

• 41:42Jessie Ware?

  I've never made a cock of a.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  Have you not?

• 41:43Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Oh, it's dead easy.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  It's really easy.

• 41:45Jessie Ware?

  Is it kind of like the chicken beurre beurre gignac?

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like beurre gignac, but yeah, but do you use white wine or red wine?

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Well, either.

• 41:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  But not at the same time, obviously.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  But I think it's quite nice with white wine.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  It's lovely with white wine. It's really beautiful with white wine. And then like dough and wild potatoes.

• 42:00Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yum.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Dough and wilds are the best.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think that's the type of food, I don't know, I think this is so perfect. You like literally couldn't have made a more perfect dish. Because I, I think it's like, you want something where everyone just feels really comfortable, get stuck in. People can have seconds, people can have thirds, which happens often, um, and just like no fuss, comfort food.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Do you have lots of dinner parties?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  No, but I have a lot of my family around.

• 42:28Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:29Jessie Ware?

  What do you think you would have done if you weren't like a whiz at everything?

• 42:35Jessie Ware?

  What do you think you would have done as a career?

• 42:37Speaker 02

  Do you know what I really honestly wanted to do for real when I was like sixteen, seventeen? I just wanted to be a hairdresser.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  It's absolutely.

• 42:46Jessie Ware?

  You need to teach me how to use the air out. I've got one. Is it, is it really easy? So have you always been really good at hair?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't even think I, I don't even think I'm, I'm.

• 42:56Jessie Ware?

  But can you do like a plait on yourself, like a French braid?

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:00Jessie Ware?

  Of course you can.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  But you've got good hair. I can see it's thick.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  But you've got the same sort of hair.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, but my, I'm like hanging on to a blow dryer that I did on Wednesday with a bit of dry shampoo, but I wanna do that, like have actually some like, you know.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  How often do you wash your hair?

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Every.

• 43:14Jessie Ware?

  Three days maybe?

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Really important questions that we're asking.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  They're most important questions. I'm so, I never get to talk about this.

• 43:22Jessie Ware?

  Skincare, let's talk about skincare.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Deal. Oh my god, I've got stuff to say about skincare.

• 43:25Jessie Ware?

  Let's talk about skincare.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  All right, cause I science this shit out of my skincare.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, no, we need to know about this.

• 43:30Jessie Ware?

  We need to know.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 43:33Jessie Ware?

  Forget fucking A I. Are you using Korean beauty skincare?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Sometimes.

• 43:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, okay.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  So I went to Korea last year.

• 43:41Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  I bought everything.

• 43:42Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  Everything I could buy. Most of it.

• 43:44Jessie Ware?

  Did you go for work or did you go for one of those like, um, the, the like consultants, like don't all the girls go there like and they have all the procedures done?

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Oh no, I didn't get anything done, but I was there for work. I tried to pitch it. I was filming a TV show. And I tried to pitch it that part of the TV show would be that when it got some procedures done and they didn't go for it.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  That's such a shame.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  No, I could have free, free face, face up. Um, okay, so, uh, red light stuff, absolutely legit.

• 44:11Jessie Ware?

  Really? Cause I kinda gave up on mine recently.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  It's what's it called?

• 44:15Jessie Ware?

  But do you have to have a certain?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Wavelength.

• 44:17Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 44:19Jessie Ware?

  So which one are you recommending?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  The L E D lights.

• 44:22Jessie Ware?

  I've got, I've got the current body and I've got the shark one.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  I have the current body one.

• 44:24Jessie Ware?

  And you use the current body. Your, your skin is glowing. Okay, what are we saying?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Red light.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  So I think five times a week.

• 44:32Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  So basically.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Why does it work?

• 44:35Speaker 02

  What it does.

• 44:36Jessie Ware?

  You writing this down, Mum?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Definitely.

• 44:39Jessie Ware?

  It's gonna be on the pod, you can discuss it.

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Um, okay, so there's like genuine peer reviewed studies about this. It's proper, it's genuine, it really works. Like, you have to be careful about exactly which wavelength they are, exactly as you said, right? Some of them work better than others. There's also like the, the um, number of lights, the intensity of the lights and so on.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  I gave mine away.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 44:58Jessie Ware?

  Full.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  It only works if you use it every, like, at least five times a week.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I could do that.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I really like it, I really like it.

• 45:06Jessie Ware?

  How long you been using it?

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Um, three years or so.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  And how long are you under there for?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Like, uh, well, whatever the timer is.

• 45:12Jessie Ware?

  You're doing the pancakes whilst you've got your infrared on?

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Here I go, no. No, I put it on, I set my alarm five, like 10 minutes early and I put it on as soon as I wake up.

• 45:20Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, that when you're kind of a bit groggy.

• 45:23Jessie Ware?

  You do it in the morning?

• 45:24Speaker 01

  You have got gorgeous skin.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Thank you so.

• 45:25Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so this is the first.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  I didn't use to, I had terrible, terrible acne when I was younger, horrific acne. I mean, like, sort of had my face lasered off many times.

• 45:34Jessie Ware?

  Oh, nice.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Um, like roaccitin and stuff, everything, okay. Instead of retinol, I use a, a tretinol.

• 45:42Jessie Ware?

  Tretinol, yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  There's one.

• 45:43Jessie Ware?

  Peak size about?

• 45:45Speaker 02

  I'm a bit heavy handed.

• 45:46Jessie Ware?

  How many times a week?

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Uh, I go a bit heavy handed, I've built up over years, so I can probably do four or five.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  The glow is insane on her skin.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  That's very kind of you. Um, and then vitamin C in the morning.

• 45:57Jessie Ware?

  Which vitamin C are you using?

• 45:58Speaker 02

  I use the Skincare as well.

• 45:59Jessie Ware?

  So do I.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:00Jessie Ware?

  Which serum, Ten or Frulek?

• 46:02Speaker 02

  The Frulek.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  Just so good. Why vitamin C?

• 46:05Speaker 02

  So what vitamin C does is it's about the, the colour, basically, it's about brightening, right? So any discoloration that you have, it kind of lifts it.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm just gonna start doing that.

• 46:14Jessie Ware?

  Are we doing hyaluronic?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, I do.

• 46:17Jessie Ware?

  Peptides?

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Don't really bother.

• 46:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I mean, maybe.

• 46:20Jessie Ware?

  Glow tops?

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely.

• 46:24Jessie Ware?

  Me too.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Jessie, I need to get to your woman.

• 46:28Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, but that's what I got over my present. You need to go and see my facialist. Maybe you don't because she's the best.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  What does she do?

• 46:34Jessie Ware?

  She does anything and then gives you milk.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  What have you got under your thing?

• 46:38Jessie Ware?

  Sperm.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Sperm.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I've done that one as well. That one is slightly more bullshit.

• 46:42Jessie Ware?

  I'm not sure if that did much.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  I'm not having that.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Did you do the thing where, oh my god, I did, I did it at the worst possible time ever? So, so, because what they do, they inject it under your eye.

• 46:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my god.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  But they can inject it, there's two different methods. They can either insert a cannula.

• 46:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Did you do the cannula? I did the cannula first time where your eye sort of looks like you've been punched.

• 47:03Jessie Ware?

  No, I didn't do that.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  And, and then, but the swelling goes down after two days. You're fine.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  The other option is that they inject you and my skin is like so pale, but any bruising just really, really shows. And so I was like, oh, it'll be fine. Just do, just do the injection all over two days before the most important event of my entire life.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  And I was.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  It was so bad. I, I, but I had to. I was like interviewing someone incredibly important on set. Anyway, it was awful. Like I was wearing makeup, like it was crazy.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  See, I won't even have my cataracts done because they said you can't wear mascara. And I said to the, I said, you've got to tell me. So I bought.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  At all afterwards?

• 47:41Speaker 01

  No, not for a month. How would I live?

• 47:45Jessie Ware?

  You couldn't, you couldn't get them.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  I actually couldn't live without mascara and all makeup.

• 47:49Jessie Ware?

  Tinted and.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  I bought false eyelashes.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  And when I got there to the doctor, I said, you know, I've got two minds about this because it can't wear mascara. He said, have you changed your mind, Mrs Ware? We don't need to do it. And he said, I didn't need to do it at that particular time, but I do need that. I want to have them done.

• 48:07Jessie Ware?

  I, I just want to go back to, okay, I, I, I see your cannula and I raised you, the Fraxel PRP.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  So I've done Tixal.

• 48:16Jessie Ware?

  What's Tixal?

• 48:17Speaker 02

  So, actually, no, I have done Fraxel as well. I have done Fraxel as well.

• 48:20Jessie Ware?

  That was not good for a new reception party I went after and I looked horrendous.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  How many days after?

• 48:27Jessie Ware?

  It was. The next day.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  When was that, when was that time when you turned up and your face was bright red?

• 48:33Jessie Ware?

  That was after microneedling years ago, yeah. Yeah, it was a shocker.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  You have to get back microneedling, by the way, because it can reduce like the fat under your skin.

• 48:42Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, so like the lasers are better because they're much more precise about the depth that they go to.

• 48:46Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  You need to do a beauty program, Hannah.

• 48:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Get on it.

• 48:52Jessie Ware?

  I've started.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  The rest is beauty. Yeah, that's more important.

• 48:58Jessie Ware?

  I'll be the guinea pig when you don't fancy something. I'll co-host it with you, sure.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Deal, deal.

• 49:03Jessie Ware?

  The rest is aging.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Tell me about that one.

• 49:07Jessie Ware?

  So we have a really flat chocolate mousse. Where did the air go?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Don't know.

• 49:14Jessie Ware?

  I just can't, I can't be bothered with baking and shit. Anyway, this is my second attempt, chocolate mousse that isn't set. Enjoy yourselves. Or you can have this rock hard.

• 49:26Jessie Ware?

  Rock hard one. I've got a few more of them. You can have whatever you like, babe.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna give you that one.

• 49:32Jessie Ware?

  It's the most unattractive.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, hold on, you're not having that one. I'm gonna try a bit harder on the next one.

• 49:39Jessie Ware?

  Um, did I not tell you that it's all about like comfort food and not caring what it looks like? Great, perfect.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  And everyone feeling happy, yeah.

• 49:47Jessie Ware?

  Um, so The Rest Is Science is a new podcast.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:52Jessie Ware?

  Um, even for somebody like me who tried to get rid of science in my life as quickly as possible. Was even enthused when you were talking about mosh pits and how crap music is getting.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:05Jessie Ware?

  Um, it's really brilliant.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Until your new album.

• 50:09Jessie Ware?

  Oh, you're very sweet. Oh, yes, yes. Um, please help yourself to some.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Thank you very much.

• 50:13Jessie Ware?

  Creme fraiche. Tell us a bit about it. How did it come about? Obviously, we know Goalhanger is the production company that do The Rest Is Politics, The Rest Is History, The Rest Is Entertainment. Did you go to them? Did they go to you?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  No, I think that they um they first approached me like maybe three years ago, like it was a really long time. And we sort of knew that we wanted to do something, but like, because I've got seven jobs, finding time is always gonna be difficult. But then also, we wanted to make sure that we got the right co-host, because

• 50:43Jessie Ware?

  Was it

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Being so important. No, I wanted him.

• 50:47Jessie Ware?

  Oh, and you got him.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  I wanted him and I got him.

• 50:51Jessie Ware?

  How did you know him?

• 50:52Speaker 02

  So I, he is a very, very famous YouTuber. He's been making science videos on YouTube for like fifteen years or something. He's got like twenty six million followers.

• 51:04Jessie Ware?

  Twenty six million?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 51:06Jessie Ware?

  Wow.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  And he um, I watched his videos, you know, before I'd done anything, before I'd like ever stood on a stage, before I'd ever you know, sat in front of a microphone, I I watched his stuff. And the thing about him is that he is um, he's like, I like to describe him as the exact right amount of weird. Um, so he is, uh, he doesn't, he's like, he's not normal.

• 51:30Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  He he doesn't think about things in a normal way.

• 51:33Jessie Ware?

  Um, are you allowed to say that, Hannah?

• 51:36Speaker 02

  I think I have, I have. Uh, but I mean that in the most complimentary way possible.

• 51:42Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  He's like, everything that I bring to him, he have like this grand philosophical way of seeing it that I've just never considered before. So I don't know. Okay, so we're talking about crying, right?

• 51:55Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  An episode about crying. And like, I don't know, I've made loads of science programmes in the past and people say, oh, there's this chemical, this hormone that's released in your tears, there's like, this is the studies they've done on crying, all the same normal boring nonsense. Instead, Michael is like, have you noticed that when people cry, they scrunch up their eyes, they can't see what's around them, they're like physically signalling that they're making themselves vulnerable? Like, actually, maybe what crying is, is that we are like tapping into the fact that we're a social species and you're sort of saying, like, I am vulnerable, help me. And it's true that like I can be in a confrontation with somebody and it hasn't happened very many times in my life where I've made someone cry, but.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Um, like I'll be in a confrontation with somebody and then they start crying and immediately.

• 52:43Jessie Ware?

  You back off.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Back off, like everything just dissipates, right?

• 52:46Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  So you just sort of seize that the world's in this like, this way that it just hasn't occurred to me before. Or, I don't know, I was talking about. Green energy, right? And nuclear power and all of this stuff. And I was approaching it in a sort of quite standard way that I do, thinking about stories, thinking about people, thinking about how it works. But he's just thinking about things on a completely different level. So instead, he says, okay, the thing about nuclear waste. Is that it's still radioactive for thousands and thousands of years. If you bury it in the ground, right? You can't just put a sign up that says, don't open this. Because you can't even be sure that our language will be spoken in thousands of years. There's no picture, there's no.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Like mark that you can put on it that will tell people in, or whoever finds it in many thousands of years, this is dangerous, do not, don't, don't go in here. Because even if you put up a sign, right, if you worked out a way to do it with drawings and stuff that said, oh, do not enter, like, you know. Mystical things lie here, like they did with sort of Tutankhamun's tomb. That just makes you think there's something valuable there, you wanna go and rob it.

• 53:53Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  So he's like thinking on this just completely different level about like, what is it that, what is it that makes humans interesting? How, he's sort of like looking at us from a kind of alien perspective, as it were, all the time. And he just puts these twists on anything I can come up with that I just completely blow my mind every single time.

• 54:13Jessie Ware?

  How amazing.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's great, he's really great. This is delicious.

• 54:16Jessie Ware?

  It's not delicious. You're so sweet. It's like a cow pat. I've just served you a cow pat and it's dense as fuck and I wish I hadn't fucking bothered.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  No, it's great.

• 54:25Jessie Ware?

  You're so sweet.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  I disagree with you. This is exactly the right, I'm looking at flavour, not presentation.

• 54:29Jessie Ware?

  Okay, love that.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  It's quite bitter.

• 54:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's quite bitter.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I disagree with you.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Oh, do you, you probably.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  Maybe it's because I'm eating it with this one.

• 54:36Jessie Ware?

  Well, the only, only processed thing, I guess, is a digestive in that.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Do you, do you.

• 54:41Jessie Ware?

  There we go.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but are you one of those people that follows food fads? Like you will have a, a, a piece of dark chocolate. Because that's good for something or something every day. Okay.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 54:53Speaker 01

  No. I eat what I like.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  And I think as you.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Block of dairy milk everywhere.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Oh gosh, dairy milk's so delicious.

• 55:02Jessie Ware?

  Before we let you go.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 55:04Jessie Ware?

  Can you give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere?

• 55:11Speaker 02

  Am I allowed to say boiled ham?

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Um, okay, so I spent like all of my summers as a child in Ireland.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Which part?

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Um, so my family are from Offaly, which is right in the middle. It's like, it's basically bog country.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  It's sort of like the kind of Irish equivalent of Dudley. That's sort of how I like to describe it. Um, they will have what's known as the bog accent, where you don't really, you don't really speak so much as sort of breathe out while moving your mouth.

• 55:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  So they were sort of like, ah, come on now, what you have more there at all, right? Sort of that's how they all sound. Anyway, just the, um, the boiled ham, but specifically the boiled potatoes with Irish butter and nothing else. Like you cannot make a more simple meal of just like ham, potatoes, butter, but that like really rhymes. And maybe a glass of milk, but that like really reminds me of being on the farm when I was a kid.

• 56:04Jessie Ware?

  Speaking of Ireland, can you tell everyone about the Irish mixed grill, please?

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Yes. If you ever go for Christmas to Ireland, um, especially with my cousins, uh, there was one, one Christmas in particular where there were five different types of potato that were served. And, um.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Five different types?

• 56:20Speaker 02

  I like to call that the Irish mixed grill.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  How funny.

• 56:24Jessie Ware?

  And what kind of potato work? Can you remember the five?

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Obviously boiled, mashed, um, roasted.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Chips.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  I think there was chips and I think that there were some sort of dauphinoise thing or like something in cream.

• 56:36Jessie Ware?

  I love that. Hannah, it's been such a pleasure having you.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  The pleasure was all mine.

• 56:40Jessie Ware?

  I definitely don't feel like we've asked you important enough questions.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  Uh, excuse me, the cave you skincare questions were the most important questions I've ever been asked.

• 56:48Jessie Ware?

  Okay, thank you so much.

• 57:03Jessie Ware?

  Hannah Fry is my new crush.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  I told you, darling.

• 57:08Jessie Ware?

  Well, no, but she's so impressive.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Been mad about her for ages.

• 57:11Jessie Ware?

  I know, but like.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  She's so impressive.

• 57:13Jessie Ware?

  Loved her. Fantastic.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Absolutely wonderful.

• 57:15Jessie Ware?

  The Rest of Science is out. It's twice a week. Her co-host, Michael Stephens, is fantastic. They have such great rapport. And even for like a Philistine, would you call myself a Philistine?

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Philistine, yes.

• 57:28Jessie Ware?

  Yes, I would call you.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  I call you a Philistine, darling.

• 57:31Jessie Ware?

  Yes, for a Philistine like myself, I can even understand what she's talking about because she makes it so accessible.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  But she's a bit of a foodie. She likes food.

• 57:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, she kind of made out that she doesn't like, she's like marinating for a weekend.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  But she forgets to eat, Jessie, if only I've just got to.

• 57:49Jessie Ware?

  Because that brain is just like going like the clappers on other things, important shit.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:54Jessie Ware?

  Loved the recipe. Alison Roman, you're a goddess.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:57Jessie Ware?

  It just, it just works. I should have put more pasta water in to make it a bit more sloppy, but I loved it. It was delicious.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Delicious.

• 58:04Jessie Ware?

  Thank you very much to Hannah Fry for coming on. The Rest of Science is on twice a week and you will find her on your screens.

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• 58:45Jessie Ware?

  In your ears.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  And she is a goddess.

• 58:48Jessie Ware?

  Fantastic.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:49Jessie Ware?

  We'll see you next week for more table manners.