Big Sean Reveals The Manifestation Secrets That Made Him A MAGNET For Abundance

I'm going on tour! Come see The School of Greatness LIVE in person! Get my new book Make Money Easy here! I am excited to sit down with chart-topping artist Big Sean. He reveals how spiritual practices and inner work fueled his rise from Detroit's underground rap scene to multi-platinum success. Opening up about his journey through depression and anxiety, Sean shares how he transformed his darkest moments into powerful fuel for growth. Through intimate stories about therapy, fatherhood, and making peace with his past, he demonstrates how separating external success from internal fulfillment became key to finding true abundance. His vulnerable insights on everything from boundaries to manifestation offer a masterclass in achieving success while maintaining soul-level peace. Order your copy of Big Sean's new book Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose, Success, and Inner PeaceIn this episode you will learn:Why separating your circumstances from your happiness is the key to sustainable successHow to transform depression and anxiety into indicators that guide you toward alignmentThe counter-intuitive approach to manifestation that helped Sean attract major opportunitiesWhy setting boundaries, especially with long-term relationships, is crucial for growthThe powerful mindset shift that helps you trust divine timing even when progress feels slowFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1722For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Jeezy – greatness.lnk.to/1480SCZedd – greatness.lnk.to/1713SCTeddy Swims – greatness.lnk.to/1611SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back my friend to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes. I'm your host. And this has been a 12-year journey on the School of Greatness. 12 years. We've been doing the School of Greatness every single week, here to be of service to you to help you improve the quality of your life, the quality of your health, the quality of your relationship to money, the quality of your relationship to others intimately, friends, career. We are here to be of service to you and I hope you've enjoyed the journey with us. Whether this is your first episode, welcome, or if you've been on this journey with us for 12 years. We're always looking to find incredible conversations and incredible guests with stories,

• 0:44Lewis Howes?

  research and science to support your success and your inner and outer greatness. And I just want to say I'm grateful for you for being here. Again, whether this is your first time being here or you've been here for 12 years with me, I'm deeply grateful and it's been an incredible journey. Just thinking of all the amazing guests for 12 years, but we have a big guest today. And if you haven't yet, it would mean the world to me if you click the follow button over on Apple Podcasts or on Spotify right now. If you're listening on one of those platforms, just click the follow button on our profile right at the top. It should be in the top right corner if you're listening on Apple or Spotify. And leave us a review. Leave us a review on your biggest takeaway from today's episode. The thing you learned the most from today's episode with Big Sean,

• 1:27Lewis Howes?

  because we had a massive, powerful conversation with you from multi-platinum recording artist, Big Sean, who opens up about his journey of lasting success, crediting his spiritual awakening as a big reason why. And I want to continue to remind you that the journey to success is never outward. It's always inward. And when I hear someone like Big Sean talking about his spiritual journey and a spiritual awakening as a big reason why, you're going to hear why, because his story is fascinating. He shares intimate details about overcoming depression, finding inner peace, and his transformation from success to significance, thanks to this shift in his spiritual way of thinking. He also talks about how to shift from scarcity

• 2:10Lewis Howes?

  Mindset to an abundance mindset by changing your relationship with money and setting healthy boundaries with people around you. And boy, if I wish I knew this about how to create healthy boundaries in my twenties and thirties with friends, with family members, with employees, with business partners, my life would have created so much more peace. But I lacked the courage. I lacked the wisdom. I will act a lot of things. I was afraid of how I would be perceived. I was afraid of people not liking me. And so if that's something that you've struggled with, I'm letting you know you are not alone. I have dealt with that. Someone like Big Sean has dealt with that and so many other people that we've had on this show. But this show is here to support you in overcoming that and becoming the greater

• 2:53Lewis Howes?

  version of you and becoming the healthier, happier individual that deserves healing, peace and prosperity. We dive deep into his new book, Go Higher, where he reveals the five practices that changed his life and career forever. From manifesting techniques to setting boundaries, Sean's got to share wisdom that goes far beyond his musical achievements, showing a side of himself that fans have never seen before. I'm so excited about this. Again, if you find any value in this, please like the show, follow the show on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, and leave us a review of your biggest takeaway. I read these reviews. I love seeing them and I'm grateful for every one of them. Also, big announcement. I have

• 3:35Lewis Howes?

  a new book coming out in about a month's time from the release of this episode. It's called Make Money Easy. And again, one of the biggest things that Big Sean talks about is his relationship to money shifting and how it helped him unlock abundance in his life. Once he shifted that relationship and created new boundaries. And my new book called Make Money Easy, Create Financial Freedom and Live a Richer Life is all about creating those boundaries in your life, understanding your money, personality, style, based on your money history, and how to unlock new ways of financial prosperity in your life from that inner journey that we all get to take. And when you can tap into the inner journey of money, the outer

• 4:15Lewis Howes?

  journey of money becomes an unbelievable experience. So go to the description in this podcast. At the top, you'll see a link where you can just go on Amazon and search Make Money Easy. You'll see my book and preorder a copy right now because it's coming out and I want you to get it the day it releases, coming very soon. Okay, I'm excited about this episode. With the one and only Big Sean. Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Big Sean in the house. My man.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  What's up, bro?

• 4:49Lewis Howes?

  So excited that you're here.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Couple Midwest kids.

• 4:52Lewis Howes?

  Midwest, it's too bad you're from that state up north, but it's okay. Detroit doesn't feel like Michigan to me, though. Detroit is its own thing.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Well, trust me, bro. Go Blue, okay?

• 5:01Lewis Howes?

  Oh, no, okay, it's too bad. It's all right, this year, it's happening. We're coming back this year.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  I know. You know, I have had one of my best shows of my life was at Ohio State.

• 5:10Lewis Howes?

  Let's go.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  It was, it was. Even though I am diehard Go Blue, I did perform at Ohio State and it was turned.

• 5:17Lewis Howes?

  Why was it one of the best shows ever? Was it like a spiritual vibe or what?

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Well, it was spiritual, I guess, in that sense, but it was just turned up. It was like wild, like chaotic.

• 5:29Lewis Howes?

  Chaotic.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  They know how to really party.

• 5:30Lewis Howes?

  They go hard, man.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  They do.

• 5:32Lewis Howes?

  It's not much else to do in the Midwest, though. You like go hard when you love someone coming to your town, you're like, ah.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:37Lewis Howes?

  Screaming for you.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. But man, I'm happy to be here, man. This is, I've seen a lot of great episodes and congratulations on, I know it's been like 13 years.

• 5:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, man, thanks, brother, thanks, man. You are multi-platinum artist, over 185 million records sold is what you just told me. That is insane.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

• 5:55Lewis Howes?

  That is.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:56Lewis Howes?

  And you have this new book out that I'm fascinated by because I wouldn't think of you writing this type of book. If I just heard some of your earlier music, I wouldn't be thinking that you'd be writing this book called, Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose Success and Inner Peace, which I want to dive into. But there's a quote that you talk about in the book on page 24 that says, "I visualized being on a cliff. My higher self was saying to me that there was an invisible, invisible bridge in front of me that was going to take me to the other side."

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Lewis Howes?

  Took a lot of faith to walk over that bridge, but that's what I did. It took four years, but during that time, I never lost faith and I kept writing. So when my next shot came around, I was ready and I had, and I had a ton of songs. I was asking the universe at that time to provide me with the people who could help me get to where I needed to be, as well as people who I could find a way to help as well. I wanted it to be mutually beneficial. Now, this is, this is powerful and I wanted to start here because. The thing you say is, I visualized being on a cliff. I visualized, and this is a time where you'd gotten signed, but nothing was happening for years.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Happens to so many artists like this.

• 7:08Lewis Howes?

  So you're excited, something is big, I just got signed. I'm gonna make it big, the next thing I do, it's gonna happen. But four years, essentially, nothing's happening.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:18Lewis Howes?

  And I'm curious, how did you learn to trust in the universe that you would manifest something when there's nothing happening for years? How did you continue to trust the invisible bridge that would take you from where you are to where you want to be?

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Well, you can't trust everything you see, but you can trust everything you feel. You feel me? So it's one of those things where I didn't know how it was gonna happen. And I think that's one of the things we don't have to worry about all the time is the how. I think we get racked up on those details of like, how is it gonna happen? How? But if you feel it, if you trust it, then you also have to let it out in the world and know that it's gonna happen at the right time. You just gotta prepare for it. So that's kinda like, was always my mentality. And even like in my early music, like I do make like a lot of fun music, party music. But I always have a sense of like my essence of my spirit in some of those songs too, like, you know, even songs like Bounce Back.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Or even, one of my first songs was, "I'm gonna make a million and one dollars." It was like still like manifestation, but it was like, yeah, it was like, I was applying it to like my stuff, you know? But I also was just like having fun with it. But I think that's important too, to have fun with it. I was blessed to have like all of these guardian angels, like my mom and, you know, a lot of my friends and just like, I feel like, I feel like God and the universe and all of these things that you, if you believe in it, they talk through other people or through instances or a song you're hearing or, you know, I'm really, one of the first books that really taught me to pay attention to the omens was The Alchemist. And it's like, you gotta pay attention to the signs and the omens.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  And when you are grateful for that, when you entertain it, when you give more energy to it, you act like a magnet, you know, you magnetize it to yourself. So it's like, That is, you know, just how I think. And I think that however we think is the truth. You know, there is no right or wrong way to do things. There's no right or, one of the biggest misconceptions is like, I don't know how to meditate. You know, it's like, there really is no right or wrong way. It's really just about you believing in it.

• 9:29Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, absolutely. We were, I was just talking about before we jumped on our mutual friend, Mike Posner. I was just FaceTiming him and I said, tell me something about Big Sean that most people don't know. And he said, and he said.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  He said he has a real huge heart.

• 9:45Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, yeah. He said, um, he said you changed his life and you, you're the one who brought him into spirituality and God. He said he wasn't into God or spirituality until.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  He wasn't actually.

• 9:56Lewis Howes?

  He wasn't.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  No, he was not.

• 9:57Lewis Howes?

  Until you. And he said, there were a couple of moments that you brought him this. And it was the moment when after years of you being signed, but nothing was happening. He said, there was like a six month window where it was dark for you.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:11Lewis Howes?

  It's pretty dark.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 10:12Lewis Howes?

  And he thought, oh, I don't know what's gonna happen with this guy. And then he saw you maybe six months later and you were glowing. And he said, I want whatever this guy has. What does he have? What is he doing? What is the thing that he did to transform from going to the darkness and into this glowing energy? And what was that for you? Do you know what?

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll tell you what it is. It's two things.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  You gotta realize that everything isn't together. So what I mean by that? Everything isn't singular. So what I mean is that because things weren't working out for me, that doesn't have anything to do with my happiness. Because my dream was taking longer to happen because things weren't going my way. At first, I was letting it dictate my life. I was letting it like tear me down and be depressed over it, you know, and be like. And then you realize that, yo, hold up. That's, this is my choice to, to, to be happy. And then. I realized that, okay,

• 11:21Speaker 01

  if I choose that, I'm operating at a different level of just consciousness. So that's how I'm gonna get this. I ain't, I'm not gonna attract nothing I want by being depressed or down because things aren't going my way. Bro, life moves on.

• 11:33Lewis Howes?

  How did you learn how to separate them when most people, they have a bad day, they have a bad month, a bad year. It dictates their happiness, their joy, and their peace. How did you separate things not working out for you to it not affecting you emotionally and your joy?

• 11:54Speaker 01

  It does, so it does affect me emotionally, but I don't let it overtake me. You know, like when Mike Posner was talking about he would see me and it was dark for me. That's because I would let something affect me and I would hold on to it. And I would be blaming that for next week, I'm still blaming that. The week after, I'm still blaming it. Three months later, oh, it's because of that, you know? And it's like, I still go through all of these. You know, life can be like hurtful. It could be like getting punched in the face, you know what I'm saying? And, but the thing is, I don't let it linger. I still might be hurt about something. I still may be disappointed, but it's like, that's the point of it. It's like, it teaches you something. You always learn something from these situations.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  And you come out and realize that, okay, I'm, that was just a moment. Now I'm on to the next moment. You go ahead. It's like, when you look at the greatest people in a category, alright? So let's pick like Benzel Washington, right? So, or Will Smith or whoever. It's like, say they have an awesome movie and it does well. Say they have a bad movie and it flops. They're not gonna be like, I quit, it's over for me. They gonna be like, alright, we on to the next one. What's the next thing, you know? And I think that we have to remember that life is just full of all these amazing moments. And when you look back on it, you'll see the beauty in everything.

• 13:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  You know?

• 13:20Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:22Lewis Howes?

  Do you think you can manifest, do you think you can manifest your dreams from a depressed state energetically?

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Can you manifest your dreams from a depressed state? It depends on if the depression fuels you or if it cripples you. You know, just like stress, there's you stress, which is a motivating stress. And then there's distress, which is the stress that. Makes everything harder and you know, so I feel like you can you can use your

• 13:53Speaker 01

  you can use any aspect of life as an opportunity to get to where you gotta go. You know what I mean? So I'm sure there has been times where depression has fueled someone. I'm sure there's been times where depression has led someone to the end of their life, you know, obviously, and like so on and so forth and everything in between. So I do think depression can fuel you. Fuel you, it just depends if you're aware that like, okay. You know, my thing about when you're feeling bad or have anxiety or depression. To me, it's an awesome indicator that you're just not aligned with what you're supposed to be doing right now. So it could be an indication that, hey, I'm meant for something greater. I'm meant for something more.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  I'm meant for something better as opposed to like, life sucks.

• 14:39Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 14:40Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, or it's also, we were talking off camera about how if you're feeling depressed or if you're feeling overwhelmed, you may need to look to where you need to create boundaries in your life. Because when you are giving your energy to so many people without the boundary, it's gonna make you feel like you don't have anything left to give.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  That B word.

• 14:58Lewis Howes?

  Boundaries, baby.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  That B word.

• 14:59Lewis Howes?

  When did you learn about boundaries in your life? Did you ever feel like you were a people pleaser growing up? Or when you started kind of in your career, feeling like you had to do everything for everyone?

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yes, they make you feel like that.

• 15:10Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, my dad who's in here, he's like a real nice guy.

• 15:15Lewis Howes?

  Nice guy.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  And he's a real nice guy, but he knows that he's let a lot of people walk all over him in a sense.

• 15:22Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Not in a bad way, that's just his kind, natural spirit. He has a kind heart and I have a kind heart in a similar way. And one of the biggest lessons that I learned literally this year for me, and I have a song on my last album called Boundaries, was setting boundaries because it's uncomfortable sometimes to speak up and say what it is you need, you know, because it may go against your like. What you've been through already, it may go against like, oh, that's not necessarily right or wrong. And you realize that right and wrong is kind of more so opinionated in a lot of cases, especially when it comes to feelings. You know what I mean?

• 16:01Speaker 01

  So for me, setting boundaries has definitely created a lot of rifts between me and like, especially people I grew up with.

• 16:11Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you, it's harder to live off setting boundaries when you've established a relationship already with someone. So it's like, when you come and say boundaries, it's kind of like, they looking at you different. It's like, yo, what's up with you?

• 16:25Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you're changing. Who are you?

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so, yeah, it has been quite a thing, but the people who are meant to be there, respect you and understand you and know your heart, and they know that you're doing this out of necessity and that that's the way it has to be.

• 16:42Lewis Howes?

  What's the hardest boundary you've had to set for yourself this year?

• 16:45Speaker 01

  The hardest boundary I've had to set for myself is the boundary of not being overwhelmed. Having to say like, yo, I can't do that. Or like, I'll take on as much as I can and then be like, I need, I like, hold up, I need to, I need time for this. Or if I get back from a trip, I know I'm supposed to do this, or I have to get some rest, you know?

• 17:08Lewis Howes?

  That's wise, man. Even with this interview, we were supposed to do it, I think, on Halloween, for whatever reason it was scheduled then.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  And I had to set a boundary because my son is two years, was, was one years old, turning two at the time. And, and I had to take him trick or treating, man.

• 17:22Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely. And I respect, I wasn't like mad about it, but it's like, the people, when you set a boundary, you know, people can either be offended or they can understand it.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:31Lewis Howes?

  You know, I understood it. I was like, yeah, of course. I was excited to do it, but I, oh, we're gonna reschedule, it'll happen when it's supposed to happen.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's, yeah, and that's, man, that's an important lesson right there. It'll happen when it's supposed to happen.

• 17:42Lewis Howes?

  If it's supposed to, it'll happen, you know? And.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  We get caught up in a lot of things not happening on our time. And I know a lot of people say God's time and Cairo versus Cronos, I believe, but it's like.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  I think that um, there are a lot of things that I want to accomplish in my life that I haven't gotten to yet. You know, that like uh, but it's not that, it's not like nothing to be like mad about or depressed about or like thinking that, you know, my life has no value. You know, even if I hadn't sold one record or anything, you know, even if I was still just, I would still be doing music even if it was just one of my passions.

• 18:26Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 18:26Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Just like how I watch anime. I don't get paid to do that, but I take real time and I be watching anime because it's a passion of mine.

• 18:33Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  You know, so um, I don't think that, you know, when things don't happen on your time, that it's necessarily like

• 18:43Speaker 01

  the end of the world because you, it always happens at the time when you need it, as opposed to when you want it. And sometimes what we want and what we need isn't always at the same time. Sometimes it is and sometimes it's not and it's kind of hard to see. You always see things in 2020 hindsight, but you know, it's hard as you're going through it. And that is one of the biggest lessons I learned this year. I'm still learning, still applying along with setting boundaries, along with the balancing, you know, life and and just like realizing that I, I am in control of how I feel, you know, for sure.

• 19:21Lewis Howes?

  No matter what you're creating or what's happening, you're in control of how you feel. Speaking of our guy, uh, Posner, I'm sure he's gonna get a few shout outs here. He said that early on, when you guys were in your teens.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:32Lewis Howes?

  Back in Detroit, that there was a group called Finally Famous.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:36Lewis Howes?

  That was like five or seven dudes.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  It was like probably like 11.

• 19:40Lewis Howes?

  Eleven dudes, right? Eleven of you guys just kind of hanging out, making music in the basement or people's garages or whatever in rooms.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was me and Mike Posner, J. John, Sayn Anton, Brandon.

• 19:52Lewis Howes?

  Earl Mack.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Earl Mack, uh, A. Dub.

• 19:55Lewis Howes?

  Ki Wang.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Ki Wang, um, Pat Piff, uh.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  And I'm sure like, it's a prior, I'm prior, you know.

• 20:04Lewis Howes?

  Guys coming in and out too.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  It's kinda like naming every member of the Wu-Tang Clan.

• 20:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course. But he said that, you know, all those names that you mentioned, a lot of them have successful careers mostly because of you in some way, shape or form. And Mike Posner said that you were the one that welcomed him in the group. He came later and you launched a lot of people in some way down the line to having some type of success in their, in their life through your influence. And I liked the first quote that I talked about. You were searching for people in your life that could add value to you, but also where you could add value to them.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 20:38Lewis Howes?

  And it sounds like from what he said, this group you guys were always talking about manifesting, like here's the dream we want with our music.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:46Lewis Howes?

  And your first album was called The Same Thing As The Group, right?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 20:49Lewis Howes?

  Isn't that interesting that you manifested and you created the thing that you were always creating?

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:54Lewis Howes?

  From that group?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, had to. It, it was a representation of a lot more than just like a first album. It was like my life up until that point. And um, yeah, I, I empowered a lot of my people around me, like my friend Lawrence, who just did, directed his first movie and he did a lot of my videos, you know, like I Don't F*ck With You video and me and Janes, I Know in 2088 and all these great videos. And he's also my son's godfather. He did a video from um, a song about my son as well. He's into movies now or like Ki Wayne, who was in the group is like a, like a all-star mega producer, you know, produced for not just me, but Beyonce and Drake and Jasmine Sullivan, all these amazing artists.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, so you know, the list goes on.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  But it was, it meant a lot. And you know, Mike Posner being one of those guys, we used to make music in his basement with his parents, you know, there. And his dad ended up getting brain cancer and died pretty like, it was a very like quick thing relatively. And I remember when I had Coachella and I brought him out at my Coachella performance. And we felt the energy of his dad. I felt his, the spirit of his dad, cause it was such a, uh, his dad has such a.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Warm, welcoming spirit, almost like angelic already while he was alive. And just him and his mom, um, you know, his dad and his, his mom both. So it was really, it was a full circle moment.

• 22:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  To be on that stage together like that. And it was like one of the biggest shows of my career.

• 22:41Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like a huge crowd. It was like me and Harry Styles had like this split Coachella, literally evenly at that moment while we were performing. It was amazing. It was amazing.

• 22:52Lewis Howes?

  Spiritual experience. I love that.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:54Lewis Howes?

  Coachella and Ohio State, spiritual experience, you know? There's another, there's another great quote that I saw this, you know, as you started to kind of build your career in chapter eight of your book called Hitting a Wall. Uh, and the five, the five strategies are accepting, strategizing, trying, trusting and manifesting. But at the, the start of this chapter, I think you share a story that everyone needs to hear because most people don't know what it's like being on top or accomplishing all of their wildest dreams. And you say, "The most depressed I ever got was in 2017. Until then, the worst period was when I got signed and then nothing happened for me for more than a year. But this time, everything was happening for me, so I found it incredibly confusing that I was so unhappy."

• 23:37Lewis Howes?

  You said, "I was rich and famous. My career was going great and I was on tour. I had everything I ever wanted."

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Essentially.

• 23:46Lewis Howes?

  "But nothing ever felt like enough." And you talk about the pain of this situation. And I think there's a great quote by Jim Carrey. Uh, I've always wanted to interview him, so I love this quote where he's like, "I hope, I wish everyone would get rich and famous and realize it's not the, the key to happiness." Kind of paraphrasing it.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:05Lewis Howes?

  But you worded that. You had accomplished kind of like, you got to work with every artist. You were doing music with everyone.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 24:11Lewis Howes?

  Probably sold a hundred million, you know, records by then. You were crushing it.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:15Lewis Howes?

  But you weren't happy.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:17Lewis Howes?

  Why? And then part two. Everyone thinks they're gonna be happy and fulfilled when they become rich and famous.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:24Lewis Howes?

  But that didn't seem like it's the case.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Well, you gotta remember that, like I said earlier in this interview, everything is separate and you don't realize that. So you think that things come with other things. So you're thinking that because you have money or because, you know, you're living in Beverly Hills and, you know, you've got all these things, that the happiness equates to that. Now, I'm not saying I'm not about to be one of these people that has, you know, that has made money and be like, "Well, money doesn't buy you happiness." Money, money is an amazing resource and it can make you happy temporarily. What I mean by that is it's a dopamine hit. So it's like, yeah, getting money is awesome and it can make you happy,

• 25:08Speaker 01

  but you realize that there's a lot of other things in life that has to deal with, you know, to deal with. That's why you see, you know, you look at, um, people who committed suicide who were on top of the world, you know? Um, from Chester to, you know, people who OD to, you know, it's like, you can't be the, you think you're like the lead singer of Nirvana or something and then you commit suicide or, you know, Linkin Park or all the, anybody, or, let me just not even use them as an example. I'm sure there are tons of people, right? Who are in that type of, uh, have reached a wild level of success and choose to end their life, right?

• 25:50Speaker 01

  So you realize that those things are not the same thing. Now, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't like, if you want money, you shouldn't go after getting money. I think that's important if that's like something that you're hard desires. I know I wanted to and I probably didn't understand if somebody who has made millions of dollars say, "Oh, money isn't everything." It's like, "Mother, it is everything. Like, it'll change my whole situation." But what I realized in that situation for me personally is that that had nothing to do with how I felt. And it's because, one, I was abusing, I feel like I was abusing Adderall at the time.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  And Adderall's, you know, they don't tell you that, but it's really synthetic heroin and all sorts of craziness. There's just a lot to that, a lot of layers to that, right? So I was taking...

• 26:46Speaker 01

  That type of stuff, I was not taking care of myself physically. You know, I was super skinny at the time too. I was like malnourished. I was high a lot, you know. I was drunk sometime, a lot of times. Not all the time, but like a very occasional drinker. Not just like, I wasn't drinking every night, but like every time there was a function, you know, I would abuse it, not abuse it, but I would indulge in it.

• 27:17Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  So all of those things add up and they have a long-term effect on your brain.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  They have a long-term effect on the dopamine your brain creates that leads to your creativity, leads to your happiness, it leads to your living a, you know, your mind. My dad said on my album Dark Sky Paradise, your mind can be a trickster. And it'll make you really believe that you aren't, that you aren't meant to live. You know, it'll make you really feel like you're not who you are.

• 27:48Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 27:49Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 27:49Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  And so at that point in my life,

• 27:54Speaker 01

  I was confused. I had put my, I had my head down and was working, working, working so much that I had to be on Adderall, working so much that I had to go from one thing to the next thing, to the next thing, to the next thing, without doing, satisfying myself first by like doing what, what makes me happy. You know, like I let go of all of my passions that I love. I let go of no free time. It's like this is the time to get money. You know, we come from a place like Ohio, right, or Detroit, or like, you know, the Midwest in general, where when you get an opportunity, it's like you gotta take advantage of it. You gotta keep your foot on their neck. You gotta like, keep your foot on the gas, like you don't let up, like don't let the opportunity pass. And you kind of take that idea and it's implanted in you.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  And it's one of those things that you just like move forward with, right? And you take it with you and you're like, I gotta do this, I gotta do that, I gotta do that, I gotta do that. Or else I'm gonna fall off and, and go back to.

• 28:50Lewis Howes?

  Be irrelevant or something, or yeah, whatever.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Or just go back to living with, you know, it's like you create these stories. Like I'm gonna go back to living where I grew up at, right? Like for me, I grew up in, I grew up in the hood and like. I remember when I was analyzed it. I'm gonna go back to the point where I analyzed like, yeah, what if everything didn't work out? And I moved back to the hood. I was happy there too. Like, I figure it out still. Like, you know what I mean? So, I'm not scared of that. Like, you can't let anything. You can't live a fear-based life for sure, you know? So, point being is that, you know, when I, when I realized that all of those things weren't separate, I knew I had to make a change and I just quit doing everything. You know, I quit. I like canceled everything I had to do.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Canceled everything that I had coming up. And I was like, I gotta figure out why I'm feel like this.

• 29:41Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  And it took a long time. And somehow the universe was blessing me. Still, like, I never like was really low on money or low. Like, the universe was providing its means for me to figure it out. And that's how I knew it was in alignment with what I needed to do.

• 30:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  You know?

• 30:01Lewis Howes?

  It's hard to say no to money sometimes and big opportunities, though, right?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  It is.

• 30:05Lewis Howes?

  You got this artist or this person or this TV show that wants to do something with you. And you say, no.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:12Lewis Howes?

  But that's a lot of power, too.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  It is a lot of power. And, yeah, because you're not coming from a place of scarcity.

• 30:18Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  You know, your, your character, your person comes first. You gotta know the order of operations. You know what I'm saying? And you're at the top of that. So, yeah, it's great. You know, there are times where my team looked at me like, yo, you passed up on this amount of money because you were, I was like, yeah, I was exhausted and I was this and I had to be here for my son and I had to do that and more will come. I believe in that. I really, truly do. And it does.

• 30:45Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  So, you have to have that faith in yourself. You have to have that invisible bridge below you and know that you're gonna walk across it and get to the other side. You're not gonna fall flat on your face.

• 30:58Lewis Howes?

  Did you ever have a scarcity mindset? And if so, how did you learn to switch it into an abundance mindset?

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Yes, I, I really feel like that. I talk about that on a song I have called Break the Cycle with Charlie Wilson, produced by my boy Leon Thomas. And I say like, one of the cycles I broke in my family is the illusion of scarcity. Because it really is an illusion. And you could be like, No one can, you know, I'm a, I didn't have any type of advantage coming into the world, you know, necessarily. Like, I didn't have like any padding financially. I didn't have anything. Like, I did have a grandma who worked real hard, who was a female black captain in World War II. And then she was a, one of the first female cops in Detroit. And then a teacher and a counselor was a historical woman.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  And she did all these amazing things and she worked her soft to give us a great, you know, the best life that she could provide, her and my granddad. But we still financially had a lot of troubles, you know? So I think it was something that a lot of us get taught early, like, oh, money's hard to come by. That's a concept that's not really true. Even the concept of, man, playing video games is a waste of your time. It's one of playing video games right now.

• 32:17Lewis Howes?

  Making millions right now. Bank.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. It's like, that really, in hindsight, teaches you that just do what you love. There's a, there's an audience pool and a necessity for anything, especially if your heart is attached to it. So my thing is, I had to, over time, just make an agreement with God that I'll never have to worry about that. That meaning like, like I'll always get provided with what I need. I'm, I'm, as long as I'm operating from my heart and am, and am of service,

• 33:03Speaker 01

  and that's what, then, then that's, I always have all that I need, period.

• 33:08Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, I love this, man. Everything you're saying is resonating with me. And there's so many questions I want to ask you about that. But before I do, in chapter four, again, we're talking about your book, Going Higher. Uh, this is a game changer. Make sure you guys get a copy. In chapter four, you talk about the fluidity, fluidity of fortune and how you had to really unlearn some of these things about money. I'm curious then, how did you learn to reprogram your subconscious mind?

• 33:35Lewis Howes?

  To manifest money more when you weren't taught that those things early on.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Man, this I have to give it up to Deepak Chopra because the seven spiritual laws of success.

• 33:45Lewis Howes?

  Such a good book.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  That that actually was the first book that broke down money as an energy. And when I first when I read it, I was like, what? And he was just saying, just like anything, like you can attract it. It's magnetic. So you could really be a magnet for whatever it is you're after in life. And that includes money isn't off the table. And you know, so one of the things that I had to adopt is that there's enough money for everyone to go around. You don't have to look at it as like a you're in a desert and there's like a glass of water and you have to, you know, it's not like that. Money is getting printed every single day.

• 34:20Lewis Howes?

  When did you learn this? How old were you like?

• 34:22Speaker 01

  When I first read that book, I was seventeen, I believe. So that's when I was like, okay, I tried to like, obviously I didn't have a dollar to my name. So I mean, besides the twenty dollars I would get for allowance every week for doing chores and stuff, but like.

• 34:40Lewis Howes?

  And when did you first put it into practice? You you learned this new concept. It was something completely new. Money's all around me, right?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  I had to learn the concept from experience.

• 34:49Lewis Howes?

  And how did you put it into practice where you said, oh, it's actually real what this means?

• 34:54Speaker 01

  At first it was like, hold on to your money, hold on to it, right? It's like, that's like the thing you can get your money, hold on to it. And it's I remember when I got my first advance check for fifteen thousand dollars. And I took my girlfriend to get ice cream and it went down to fourteen thousand nine hundred and seventy.

• 35:11Lewis Howes?

  You're like, oh, it's going away.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like you felt it and like that. The the reason that it felt like that is because that's not in alignment with how it should be. You know, I really feel like that, like it feels good when you can like provide and like, you know, because you you are.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  You are, you're like a vessel, man. And it's like, whatever you choose to activate. And by the way, my life now doesn't go exactly how I always wanted to go. I don't like, there are times where like, things happen and I'll be like, this is not how I wanted this to go. This is not how I wanted it to happen. But then you just gotta move on, man, and just go to the next thing. But my point is, is when I started, when I started to implement that, was around the time, like I said, around 19, when I got my first advance check. And then like, every time that I was like, oh wait, it's getting low. There's always an opportunity for something else to figure your way. And that's, that's when you do right by yourself.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  And when you do right by, you know, everyone around you. And when you're empowering people, when you're trying to like, just be who you are meant to be, the best you. It's like, things, I promise you, it's gonna, it's gonna happen for you.

• 36:25Lewis Howes?

  So when you get money now, and when you're, when money comes in and when money comes out, how does it feel for you emotionally when you receive and spend money?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Lately, I need to, I've told myself like, I need to be a little more grateful for the money that does come in. I've kinda have gotten like, okay, cool. Used to, okay, this, oh, we got that check? Okay, cool. Oh, that came in, that, that deposit hit. And I don't, I told myself, like, I, by the way, I do affirmations every day. So it's like, I'm grateful is one of them. I'm thankful for my life and every aspect of it, like. But I do want to just put, I do want the God to know because I always like to think that God gives us everything we need, right? And, and like, and a lot of times what we want as well, especially when it aligns with what we need.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  And one of the things that I want is money, right? So, and then when it comes in, I shouldn't just pretend like it's supposed to be like that. I should really acknowledge it and be grateful for it more. So I've actually, and that kind of comes with just having a busy schedule. I'm still a new dad in a sense. I'm still, you know, a lot, I have a lot of hats as a person. And you kind of like lose the importance of a lot of things. So I've been, I've been meaning to like really moment by moment be grateful. You know what I mean?

• 37:54Lewis Howes?

  There's an amazing book called Happy Money by Ken Honda. I think you'll like it where he says, uh, it's, it's about the Japanese art around money. And when I had him on the show, it really helped me fortify my abundance mindset around money. And he said, when money comes to me, I don't care if it's a penny or a million dollars or anywhere in between. I say, thank you to that money. Thank you to the dollar. Thank you to the $20. Thank you to the money I found in the streets. Thank you to the million dollar check. Thank you.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:24Lewis Howes?

  And I say, thank you. Where do you want to go? And it says, where do you want to go now? Do you want to go to my bank account and sit there for a while? Do you want to go into the stock market? Do you want to go into this business deal? Do, should I give this to someone for free? Like, where do you want to go? And he says, and when we look at it as energy and as abundance, and we are appreciating it, it appreciates in value.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  It does.

• 38:45Lewis Howes?

  And we don't hold on to it, but we say, where do you want to go? Cause I know more is coming to me.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I'mma, I'mma use that. Where do you want to go?

• 38:52Lewis Howes?

  It flows.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Everything, man, that gave me goosebumps, man. Cause everything has a life to it. Even like making music, it's like, I, I sometimes like when I'm on a beat, I ask myself like, okay, what does this song want to be? What does, you know, what, like, what do you want me to say on it? And sometimes I'll get it there. And that, that should go for everything. And I, I do have a very like diverse portfolio when it comes to like finances and stuff. Like I do have like stuff in the stock market, stuff in crypto, real estate. I invested in businesses that worked and didn't work, you know, I made money off some.

• 39:33Lewis Howes?

  What's the best investment you've ever made in your life?

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Best investment I've ever made in my life. Currently, probably the return was probably Bitcoin. I ain't gonna lie. I also invested in Uber, which has kind of been a long play. I kind of got in a little bit late with Uber, but. I think one day it's gonna pay off. But really, the whole point of my portfolio is to pass on to my kid. Or I don't have one now, or my kids, you know.

• 39:58Lewis Howes?

  What's the best investment you've made in yourself?

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Probably spending all my money on studio sessions growing up. That was probably the best investment, yeah. Because it was, it trained me to like be in a studio, be on a mic, to write music, you know? And I've written music for like, not just myself, but I've also written some stuff for other people. Like, I've written stuff for Janae, I've written stuff for, I got to write with Anderson Paak and Bruno Mars and like some other people, obviously for Ye as well. Like, I've gotten a chance to like be a writer in that sense, not just for myself. And not like, I'm not saying I wrote like people's albums. I'm talking about just slightly contribute as a writer. Investing in that just early on, you know?

• 40:45Speaker 01

  Being 11 years old, 12 years old in the studio.

• 40:48Lewis Howes?

  What's the best investment you can make in yourself today that you haven't spent the money on yet?

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Time is the most valuable currency that you can spend and you can't get back, you know? That's the biggest investment is to put time into something, you know?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  That is, you know, what you put time into is worth more than anything because it can bring you, you know, all of these things can be a byproduct of it, like money or happiness or, you know, impacting someone's life, which is the main goal, is to really impact someone else, you know? To be of service. And you let, you let the laws of the universe apply to you, you know? And it comes back to you in a way you may not expect. But I, I think that when we realize how interconnected we all are, when we realize how you take away the singularity of a job, the singularity of a house you live in, the singularity,

• 41:50Speaker 01

  and then you go within and you realize that not only are we all... Operating on the same system, we all are very much so alike. And everything that's alive, everything that's flowing in nature, every animal, everything. It's like we all come from this certain energy that we all are empowered from and we all are made from. It's like the, some people call it prana, some people call it love, some people call it whatever it is you want to call it. We all, when you boil it down through all the layers, we all are interconnected. And you see it, you see it as examples, like for instance, when we're in traffic and everyone's moving at the same pace

• 42:30Speaker 01

  and like stops at the same time and this and you see, it's like you see us, even during the pandemic, everyone's shut down. It's like you see how we all operate when it's, when you take away all the layers, we all have to operate on the same wavelength. And it goes deeper than that, but you know, invest, invest in time to me is something that we all have right now. Some people have more time than others.

• 42:56Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  And that, that is probably the greatest investment.

• 42:59Lewis Howes?

  You mentioned a little bit earlier about how when you had everything, but you also felt.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  I don't want to say everything.

• 43:05Lewis Howes?

  Well, you.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  I think I labeled it as everything, but I didn't have everything. It wasn't like Thanos with the rings on.

• 43:11Lewis Howes?

  When you have, when you have, okay, when you had everything that probably your 18 year old self could dreamed of.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 43:16Lewis Howes?

  Rich, famous, on tour, working with every big artist that you would, you know, you were looked up to, all that stuff.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  1,000% yeah.

• 43:23Lewis Howes?

  All the money you could ever dream of, you know, it's like everything, playing in front of sold out arenas and you weren't feeling good. You mentioned how you were doing, you know, drugs, alcohol, weed, things like this.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  And people, and people made it to seem regular, but yeah, go ahead. You know, that's not regular.

• 43:39Lewis Howes?

  Where do you feel like your frequency was when you were doing drugs, alcohol, weed versus when you're not doing that?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  I don't really get like blasted anymore, so I'm trying to remember how that was. My frequency, I was happy at the time. I was definitely happy, but I don't know. It's like, like I said, it's not the same as like a high off of life feeling. You know, it's not the same. It's like synthetic.

• 44:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Versus the real thing, you know what I mean?

• 44:10Lewis Howes?

  I've never been drunk or high in my life.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Wow, amazing.

• 44:13Lewis Howes?

  And I played college football, so I was always at like the frat party type of stuff. And so I never knew what that's like to be drunk or high.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  It's kind of embarrassing, I'm not gonna lie.

• 44:23Lewis Howes?

  But every time I'd go to the parties, everyone was like, I can't, you have to drink, you have to drink. It was like very forceful, like you have to drink. And I was like, I can get high on life, I don't need this, or I can have a Sprite or whatever, or just like.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  And some people may think that sounds cliche or corny or whatever, but it's.

• 44:39Lewis Howes?

  But I feel like it's the, the natural high of just, I love my life, I'm grateful to be here, all these different things. I could get to that space. So I never felt like I needed the alcohol or something to get there. So I don't know what it's like, but is the frequency different when you're high or drunk versus?

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something. So I, I stopped drinking for like years and stuff. And like, so when I'm at an event and I see everyone drunk around me, it's so funny to see people high and drunk. And you're like straight.

• 45:08Lewis Howes?

  Sober.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and um, the frequency, obvi- yes, obviously, it's tremendously different, but.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  It just also is like, you don't need to be have, you, it's like, the frequency matches the environment too. So it's like, you may not have to be like at a high frequency when you're in the middle of a club and you just want to get drunk. And, you know, it's, it's a, I do think that like, the long-term effects of like, you know, I've had friends that was alcoholics. I've seen it ruin people's lives. I've seen it like ruin, I've seen people not be able to, you know, it affects a lot of things. It doesn't just affect your body physically. It, it, alcohol affects your brain for like weeks after, months after, years after. And same with like, especially these pills and things like that, so.

• 45:58Lewis Howes?

  I would, I would also say it affects your soul.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  I think it affects your soul too. So yeah, I do think that um, a hundred percent. I do think that the frequency is not the same as when you're like, for instance, sober and you're high, experiencing high of life, which I've experienced and that's, can't beat that. You, you know why you can't beat it? Because you are the drug. It's not like you're taking something to feel the effects of it. It's like you are the source of it. So it's like you are creating the high.

• 46:27Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  You know, and like you're in alignment with what is going on in the world. So it's like, you can't beat that.

• 46:34Lewis Howes?

  Let's go.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  You can't even buy that. You know what I'm saying? You can buy the other shit, can't buy that.

• 46:39Lewis Howes?

  And you have to tap into something deeper to create it.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 46:42Lewis Howes?

  You have to tap into that ultimate power within you to create it.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you know, when you, when you say like you have to tap into it, I think people get a sense like it's a lot of work. Or it's like very hard and I'm not saying it is or it isn't. It can be more work for, everyone is different. Everyone's on their own path, but it doesn't take much. It really just takes being real with yourself and finding out what works for you. To be able to tap into the life that you deserve, that you, you can experience and really enjoy, you know? But it starts with in, that's the point.

• 47:16Lewis Howes?

  Enjoy.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Enjoy.

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man, I like that.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:19Lewis Howes?

  Do you, do you smoke or drink a lot right now?

• 47:21Speaker 01

  No, not at all.

• 47:23Lewis Howes?

  Not at all?

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 47:24Lewis Howes?

  No Adderall, no?

• 47:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:27Lewis Howes?

  No drug, no weed, not even? Why did you decide, you know, when you were making money and doing drugs and everything was working out? Why did you decide now not to be on drugs or alcohol?

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Well, I'm still making money, so that, that's, that's another thing. Like those have nothing to do with each other. You know what I'm saying? There are, there are people who are on all those type of things that are way richer than me. But that don't mean they more successful than me. People tie all these things together. It'd be like, oh, because you got a hundred and fifty million dollars? Do you think you're more successful than me? It's like that has nothing to do with it. That's just a concept that we tie to that, you know? That just means you have more money than me. That's all that means is that you have more money. That don't mean that like. You get to me holding my baby, that's like me going trick or treating with my son. That's success.

• 48:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  That's successful. That didn't cost me hardly anything. So it's like you, what is people tying everything together? And you're gonna be a victim of these conditional things, like thinking that money is success. Now, success brings, does bring money. Success also brings a lot of other things. Success can, can bring, but it's not that. And that's what I mean by like separating it all, you know what I mean? So I don't, I didn't, I didn't tie like, you know, I, I used to, I used to be like, oh, this is the reason why I'm successful. It's because I'm taking this Adderall, you know?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then that's when I realized I had a problem when I would go to the studio and I couldn't do the studio without taking it. So that's when I, I had to check myself and be like, nah, you know, like that, this don't, this isn't right. Like this is, I'm near, I'm falling apart thinking, thinking that I don't have what it takes when I'm the, I'm the one who got myself here.

• 49:22Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  You know?

• 49:23Lewis Howes?

  A hundred percent.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:24Lewis Howes?

  Did you ever make agreements with God?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yes. I talk about that in the book as well. I made agreements with God about, one of the agreements I made is that like, we talked about financial. I don't want this to be like a big financial episode, but one of the agreements I made is that, yeah, I always, you know, well, when my son was born, I made an agreement to be the best dad I could be, you know? Another agreement was that, um, when I'm pursuing, you know, my passion or my purpose, or having my heart in the right place, that I'll never have to worry. Like I always have the means needed, you know, no matter what. That's an agreement I made. I'll never, I never have to worry about.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  About money or whatever it is, you know, that has to do, deal with that. And there are some other ones that are like kind of a little more personal.

• 50:19Lewis Howes?

  Sure, yeah, no worries.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  I mean, those are very personal too, especially my son is as personal as it gets, but yeah.

• 50:25Lewis Howes?

  What was this moment like or moments like where you said, God, I'm gonna make an agreement with you? And did you hear anything in return?

• 50:33Speaker 01

  I feel like God talks to you in a lot of ways. It's not always where you hear it in that sense. Sometimes you feel it and feeling it is like hearing it, you know?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Like goosebumps, when you get goosebumps and, you know, whatever it is, you know, or something happens in synchronicity with that. There was one time in my life where I heard the voice of God, though, one time.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  And it wasn't when I was like meditating. It wasn't when I was like, you know, I've done like intense meditations, like on top of mountains and, you know, or like, it wasn't when I was like peaceful on a walk. It was when I was like, it was between, it was like late at night or early in the morning, rather. And I heard, it's really so personal. I don't even know if I want to share it all the way. I definitely heard the voice of God and it said something that resonated. It was a voice I never heard before that sounded so familiar. And it's giving me goosebumps, man.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  It was like very real and I knew exactly what it was. It wasn't like, like I wasn't dreaming. I was very conscious and I heard it twice and I had got a message and then I was like, what? And then I got it again and it was very loving, but it was very

• 52:01Speaker 01

  heavy and it was very like present. It was very clear.

• 52:05Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 52:07Lewis Howes?

  Was it giving you wisdom or guidance or just kind of like an affirmation for you to remember something about yourself or?

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was like definitely.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  It was like just, it just was personal that related to me, you know? And it's something that I'll always remember and always apply and.

• 52:26Lewis Howes?

  Is that when you said, I'm gonna make an agreement with you?

• 52:28Speaker 01

  No, that was another time. So no, when I said an agreement, you know, God is something you feel more so than something that is like you see. Even though this is all a testament to God, me, us being able to talk, communicate.

• 52:42Lewis Howes?

  It's all a miracle. It's all a miracle.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  It's all a miracle.

• 52:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  You know, you realize that because, yeah, like we, we get so desensitized, so we're used to life until we aren't here no more. You know, you gotta remember. So one of the things having a kid taught me is like, the sperm and the egg. You're, you're fighting impossible odds. It's like, the odds are like a million times crazier than winning the mega millions that are billions. You know, it's like crazy astronomical odds that you beat to get here, that you fight through, that you get to and the, and then you're the one that makes it into this, into this egg, right? The one out of all these hundreds of billions of other options.

• 53:27Lewis Howes?

  Crazy.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  So you gotta realize that on a level, we probably, we fought to be here. You, well, this is something, this is a privilege to be here for real. Not just saying that trying to sound like positive. It's really a privilege to be in it. It's like for real and you have to understand that, you know, we, uh, we, we circum ourselves and get used to this life, but it's miraculous every day. You see it's like, you, we see the sun give life to all of these things. We see how everything works in such um, uh, system that if one thing was off, if the sun was a little bit closer, if the moon was a little bit closer, we wouldn't be able to survive.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  If the temperature was a little different, if you know, earth could survive, but we couldn't survive. So you gotta understand that we're here for a reason. If you're on earth, you're here for a reason. It ain't doesn't mean you're meant to be the president of the United States or whatever, because we think, oh, that's a reason worth living. No, your reason could be to impact somebody. Your reason to be could be to enjoy the beauty of life. That's a reason and that's fine. You know what I'm saying? So, um, I know we got a little bit off topic, but you know, I think one of the things that people should keep in perspective of like, yo, we here and this is this, we in it right now, right? Like, we're lit right now. Like, we're in it, you know?

• 54:56Lewis Howes?

  Right, for sure.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:57Lewis Howes?

  There's two things we were talking about. One, you heard, you heard God's voice a couple of times. When you heard God speak to you, did something in your life start to change? Did you do things differently? Did you make other agreements with yourself on how you're going to live your life? Or to just remind you about what you're supposed to do next?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  Well, I really appreciate you bringing that up because you reminded, it's like, I love getting reinforcement.

• 55:23Lewis Howes?

  It's all synchronicities, man.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  It is. I'm as meant to, I was meant to hear that, you know, today because it's like, yeah, I gotta remember that, that what I was told that day, you know?

• 55:36Lewis Howes?

  You don't have to tell me or us, but yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:38Lewis Howes?

  But what was it?

• 55:39Speaker 01

  It wasn't like the deepest thing, but it's just some stuff is personal and it's like, you know, you gotta like, hold on to some stuff, share some stuff.

• 55:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, but more like, what did it tell you without telling us what it said? But what, what did you feel you were meant to do with that information?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  What I'm doing, not be quiet, not trying to be too cool, you know, share, share what I have to offer and be of, and be of service and, you know, have fun also, you know? That's, those are the things that I got from what I heard.

• 56:09Lewis Howes?

  That's cool.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 56:11Lewis Howes?

  When was this? This is years ago?

• 56:12Speaker 01

  No, this was like, a year ago, probably. Yeah, really, as of recent.

• 56:18Lewis Howes?

  After your, uh?

• 56:19Speaker 01

  After my son was born, yeah. After he was born, which that's a real miracle right there.

• 56:24Lewis Howes?

  No, wow.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Having a kid or like? By the way, it's very, very, um, it's a lot more than you could, do you have kids or not?

• 56:33Lewis Howes?

  Not yet, but we're.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 56:35Lewis Howes?

  Hopefully starting.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  It's a lot more than you could imagine. Um, my hats go off especially to moms and mothers.

• 56:43Lewis Howes?

  What's the best thing about being a dad for yourself?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  I love being a dad. I'm a, I'm not just a father, I'm a dad too. So I'd be like, baths, diapers, this, that. Spending time playing like, I don't play about like when it comes to that with my, with my son because you know, one of the coolest things like having my dad around is I, I could talk to him in a, in a different manner now. I kind of understand him differently. And there are times where I have other things to do and I'll put things off that are important sometimes for my, for my son, you know? And I remember I said, man, it's crazy. He's one years old. He's not even gonna remember this. And my dad was like, yeah, his, his DNA is gonna remember it though.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  That hit me like a lightning bolt. You know what I'm saying? It was like, like, yeah, he may not come like, his, he might not have a memory of it, but his DNA is gonna, is so knowledgeable that he'll remember it. And that, and like your guys' bond is gonna, his, your bond is gonna outlive his memory. You know what I'm saying? Like for as long as he remember, he's gonna have a bond with his, it's not like you meet somebody and go on a date. And it's like, oh, you're, you're great. Like let's be friends or you know, whatever. It's like, no, he's gonna, that's, that is like, you're setting up the building blocks and, and that's when I was like, this is always productive. Always productive.

• 58:11Lewis Howes?

  I was asking your dad beforehand, when you left the room for a minute, I was like, what's the thing that you're inspired by the most about your son?

• 58:18Speaker 01

  What'd he say?

• 58:19Lewis Howes?

  And he said that you treat everyone as if they're special. Whether they're someone or they're nobody, you treat everyone with kindness, respect, generosity. And you have a big heart and you want to serve people. And I thought that was really cool to have your dad say that about you. What's the thing that inspires you the most about your dad?

• 58:40Speaker 01

  Oh man, his heart. You know, I talked about it. He has such a.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Uh, giving heart such a, um, he's a, he has a pure like soul to me. And he was just a caring, he did, he, he was caring and like, one of the things I vividly remember growing up is like our rise to school. I like how real he kept it with me. I like, like, just how like, like, that's how I learned about like the birds and the bees with my dad. Like, I just appreciated him, like, really just keeping it real with me. And also like, you know, we would do like a word of the day sometimes on the way to school, you know? So he was a special guy and I feel like he, he, he like approached everything with love, you know?

• 59:32Speaker 01

  And I appreciated that.

• 59:33Lewis Howes?

  I, I saw an interview online, I don't know who, who this was, but I saw a clip of an, an older man who had billions of dollars, successful entrepreneur. And someone asked him like what his definition of success was. He's probably in his seventies and he said, my adult children wanted to hang out with me today.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  That's success, right?

• 59:53Lewis Howes?

  That was success for him.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, not the B, not the B he had in his account.

• 59:57Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, but like that my adult kids wanted to spend time with me, not for my money. But they genuinely loved me and they wanted to hang out. And it sounds like, I don't, it seems that way. I just met you guys both recently, but it seems like, you know, you guys are hanging out together and it's, that's gotta feel good for both of you, you know?

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  It is, and you know, life is short, man.

• 1:00:16Lewis Howes?

  And a lot of people don't have good relationships with their parents and then there's, you know, traumas and challenges. So, and I'm not saying you guys have a perfect relationship, but it seems like.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  And to that, to that point, I do feel like we should get, I believe this, like, you know, you argue with me all day. I do feel like we get to, we choose our parents coming into this world. So what that means is some people might be like, oh, I hate my mom. Like, I did not choose her for my mom, right? Or like, I hate my dad, right? But my thing is, is like, it goes back to the concept of God don't give you what you want, God gives you what you need. Like, say if we're here to progress our souls, if we're here to, to.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Uh, learn, you know, we don't know what it's like to learn on a soul level. That's something that the experiences can only teach you. And the person you're, you're sculpted to be, that comes from experiences, right? So sometimes people learn from having great parents or whatever, or great role models in their life to be like them. And some, some people even learn better from not what to be. And some people realize later on, the lessons that they're taught from dealing with things that they did not want to go through. You know, because it may switch a whole something around, or it may inspire something, or we never know what, we never know really.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  We can make these assumptions and plans and God gonna laugh at us because it's like, it's never, it's never as linear as we think it is all the time, you know?

• 1:01:47Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Lewis Howes?

  Uh, on page ninety-three of your book, you say, make three agree, make three agreements with the universe. Write them down and sign your name underneath with the words, so be it.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Lewis Howes?

  Why do you like that practice? And why, why do you recommend people making three agreements with the universe?

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Well, I just chose the number three because that's a good number to me. Like you could do ten if you want, or you could do one if you want, or you know, I just chose like three just to get your mind going. But I signed it at the bottom because to me it's like a contract. You know, it's like, that's how I sign my business deals. I sign it at the bottom. I put the so be it there because that's like a declaration. That's like you like, that's like you activating it to me, you know? It's like you sign it and then you hit it with a so be it, like, or it is, or it is done, you know? To me, it's like, I don't want people to think that's like witchy or anything like that. It's not to me. To me, it's more like, it's more so like business.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  That's how businessmen be operating. They signing that signature right there.

• 1:02:54Lewis Howes?

  They are.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  You know, so.

• 1:02:55Lewis Howes?

  It's making it a stronger bond with energy, God, the universe.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's how serious you taking it. You taking it serious enough to write it down, sign your name, letting it know who it's from and, and solidifying it. So that's how I look at it.

• 1:03:11Lewis Howes?

  Something I did in my early twenties was when I was broke, I was living on my sister's couch in, in Columbus, Ohio. And, um, Columbus, Seabass, baby. The greatest performance of your life was in Columbus. I liked that.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  I don't know about the greatest one ever, but it was a good one. It was a good one. Yeah.

• 1:03:25Lewis Howes?

  Um, but I was at a dark phase for about a year and a half and I was, uh, trying to figure out how to develop self-worth. I was playing arena football and I was chasing the NFL dream. I got injured and I was never good enough to make it, but I, I lived my dream in terms of getting paid 250 bucks a week to catch a football. And play in front of audiences. For me, that was like part of the dream as a kid. Right. Got injured on my sister's couch for a year and a half and I realized my ego was much bigger than my self-worth. And I thought I had things figured out, but I really had no skills. Besides catching a football and I was actually a scared little boy inside. And I remember thinking of these things. I was like, what is the goal in the dream I want to accomplish?

• 1:04:10Lewis Howes?

  I would write these things down. And I would create a certificate of achievement. I would write the goal down with the date I wanted to accomplish it and I would sign it, frame it and hang it on my wall. And that gave me something to look at every single day. And I said, who's the man I need to become in order to accomplish this? I have low self-worth. I'm in a lot of self-doubt and fears. I need to go conquer these fears and develop these skills to accomplish this dream. Has there ever been a time in your life where you felt low self-worth? And if so, how did you learn to develop more worthiness for yourself?

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Has there ever been a time?

• 1:04:45Lewis Howes?

  You had low self-worth.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  When did I have low self-worth? Yeah. Yeah, of course. I'm human, man. Like, I think we all go through those times where we kind of like doubt ourselves, question ourselves, like, yeah, like when you're, especially when you're after something or when you know you're like, when you know you can do better.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Which is a lot of us. We know, we feel like we could do better, we feel like we're made for more, or we get that confused. Well, maybe we don't know that, but we get confused of like feeling bad and wondering why you feel bad. It's like if you realize that like you're an antenna and like you're like a, like it's like tuning the radio station. If it's off, you're gonna, you're not gonna get the message. So like, those times are meant for you to just like fine tune yourself and get on the right frequency. So you could really get to where you need to be, right? The ego part that you were talking about, your ego is bigger than your self-worth. To me, a lot of people say you need to kill your ego, blah, blah, blah, right? To me, I feel like your ego is a part of you. You can't really kill a part of you.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  You gotta work with your ego and you gotta understand, be like ego. Yourself is all of these different things, you know? You're like a mental person, spiritual, emotional, physical. Then there's like the ego that's a part of it, right? And then there's like your heart that's a part of it, your gut. All these things I feel like are like the makings of like, it's like the team of you that lives in this one, being your soul, right? I feel like you can't just let your ego be in the driver's seat all the time. There are times where it needs to be in the driver's seat where it's like, oh, the cameras are on you. What you gonna do? Like, that's times where it's like ego, like we about to, I'm never, you know, but, you know, but to me, as far as that goes,

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  um, those are just the learning experiences that only life would teach you, man. You know, like you go through those moments and they make you who you are. It's like, you wouldn't be who you are if you didn't have that time where you slept on your sister's couch in Columbus. That's true, man. You know what I mean? And the willingness to wanna do better, that's like, it's different if you were satisfied with that. If you were like, this is it, this is, this is good, this is what life is. But you weren't. And I think that's something to really embrace is that willingness to wanna do better. And I know it hurts to people out there. I know it hurts. It could be. You could wanna take your life over it, you know? Um, you could wanna like, just give up and be a terrible person to people.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  But I'm telling you, man, that's like, it's just all part of it. And nothing lasts forever. Even if things do last a long time, nothing lasts forever, so.

• 1:07:28Lewis Howes?

  That's true.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Embrace it. Let that be your fuel. Let it be your fire, you know? I can't give you the directions on how to be successful. I can only show you what has worked for me in some situations. Or, you know, you can only tell us what has worked for you in some situations. And you apply it to yourself, but you do, I can 100% know that you got what it takes. I'm gonna look at every camera. You got what it takes. You got what it takes. You got what it takes. I promise you.

• 1:07:56Lewis Howes?

  In your book, we're talking about Go Higher, which is a powerful book. Um, you mentioned that some of the early books that you got into, The Four Agreements, The Secret. I, I got to interview Rhonda Byrne, the creator of The Secret, a couple of times. And it was really powerful. She talked about the law of attraction, manifestation. I'm curious, what is your formula for manifestation in the law of attraction for you? Is there a definition for you? Is there a, a code for you on how to manifest better?

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  There have been times where I've attempted to manifest things and it didn't happen. And there are times where it did happen. And then there are times where it happens at a time where I didn't expect it to happen. And there, and then there are times where it's like, oh, I put that, you know, I let, I, I let that go and it ended up coming to fruition. So, everything is different, um, but for me, what works is like, just having clarity on it. And being realistic with myself, or embracing the unrealistic.

• 1:08:57Lewis Howes?

  185 million records is kind of unrealistic.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:00Lewis Howes?

  To think about.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Unrealistic, right?

• 1:09:02Lewis Howes?

  If you're 16.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  But it feels realistic to me, though.

• 1:09:05Lewis Howes?

  You made it real.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Lewis Howes?

  But if you're 18 and thinking, I'm gonna sell almost 200 million records, like, is that real, is that realistic? It's kind of an unrealistic thought.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  It is like.

• 1:09:15Lewis Howes?

  At that time of life, but then I sold a hundred million.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Well, that's just because you may not be there that yet.

• 1:09:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  You know, we kind of sometimes that's kind of like where anxiety and depression comes from is that we try and like, put ourselves forward in our story. And then by the time you get there, you'd be like, oh, this is it like it's like it's it's natural, right? So it's like, and sometimes that anxiety and all of that, like looking forward to something, it can hold you back from just naturally being like, look, it's gonna happen when it happens. I'm gonna be ready. And you know, everyone's situation is different. So that mean it could be like, say you failed the bar exam five times. Like it's like you're gonna, you're not gonna go your whole life failing the bar exam.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  You're gonna eventually get it because your preparation is gonna meet the opportunity as long as you are being aware. As long as you are being like, okay, this that's probably where I messed up at. Let me really do my, you know, the time you put in is never wasted.

• 1:10:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Feel what I'm saying? So, um, yeah.

• 1:10:22Lewis Howes?

  Going back to Posner, uh, I said, what else about Bayshaun that that everything inspired you? And he said during that time, uh, when he was glowing, he talked about a book called Ask and It Is Given.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  That's one of the ones by Esther and Jerry Hicks, The Teachers of Abraham. Shout out Esther and Jerry Hicks and Deepak and.

• 1:10:47Lewis Howes?

  What did that book?

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Paulo Coelho.

• 1:10:48Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, they're all great. I love all those books. What did that book though, teach you or what did it say for you about your life? Ask and it is given.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  Asking it is given taught me to, um, I guess it taught me to manifest things by putting yourself on the frequency of whatever it is you're desiring, you know? I don't, I don't remember what book.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Taught me the, I try not to say want so much when it relates to the things that I really want in life, because I don't like acknowledging the lack of so much.

• 1:11:23Lewis Howes?

  But there's something out there that you want to create though.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'll say I desire it. It's my desire, you know, I want it. It's like, I'll say I want sometimes, like, oh, I want some pizza. I want that. Things that I know are obtainable, but for sometimes when it's really one of those main goals, I don't like to say I want to be. I like to say like,

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  um, I can't wait until, or like, I desire my, you know, it's one of, I desire that, or I don't know why, that's just a personal thing.

• 1:11:50Lewis Howes?

  This is really interesting you're saying this, because I think a lot of people, I think we need to talk about this for a moment, because words matter.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  Words do matter.

• 1:11:59Lewis Howes?

  And how you desire or want something puts you on a different frequency level. On how you speak the word.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the frequency for me. That's what it is.

• 1:12:08Lewis Howes?

  Look, you say I'm lacking something, so therefore I want it.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:12:11Lewis Howes?

  Based on how I'm interpreting you're saying this, you feel more separate from that thing that you want to create and draw closer to you.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Like an example is like, I want that new Benz. And the example is like, man, it's gonna feel good when I get that new Benz, man. Like, it's gonna feel, it's, it's, it's like, when I, like, it's gonna be like, man, I can't wait to ride. Like, it's like, you know, um, I don't even like using can either, like, I'm excited about the new Benz.

• 1:12:40Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Cause it's mine.

• 1:12:41Lewis Howes?

  And it's just a matter of when.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a matter of when.

• 1:12:44Lewis Howes?

  So it puts you into more of an abundance frequency versus scarcity or lack frequency.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  So that's what, uh, Asking It is Given taught me by a string of J. Hicks. It taught me to be on a, put yourself on a frequency and just see how life changes for you. You know, I can't guarantee everything you ever want will happen, but I can guarantee that it will, life will change if you really practice putting yourself on that frequency and keeping yourself there as much as you can. Cause it's hard. It's a lot of work, man. And I don't do like, life isn't meant to just be work every day, you know, these aren't, it's not, you're not, like, we're not in school all day long to like, manifest our goals. It's like, you have to find what works for you. Some people prefer therapy. Some people prefer yoga. Some people prefer meditation. Some people prefer.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Writing things down, some people prefer saying them out loud. Some people, it's like you gotta find what really works for you and like see how it goes.

• 1:13:45Lewis Howes?

  How do you balance taking action to create what you want versus attracting and allowing it to come to you?

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  I feel like you do always have to be proactive and you realize that, you know, I feel like you put your attention on your intention. You're proactive, meaning that you take action. And then you also have to be able to let it go.

• 1:14:11Lewis Howes?

  Gosh, it's so hard for people.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Holding on to something, holding on to it, it's like, it's like you gotta let it go and have that trust, you know? And you're in the middle of trust, you are in the middle of trust. So you have to trust yourself that that's your, whatever your process is, you know? Yeah.

• 1:14:31Lewis Howes?

  It's hard to trust, though.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Heck, yeah.

• 1:14:32Lewis Howes?

  If you wanna create it now and when you feel a lack, you feel separate, you're like, how do I make it happen now?

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  I know, I know, it can be hard. I don't agree with you because that's a concept that I don't wanna like take on. I don't think that it's hard to trust.

• 1:14:45Lewis Howes?

  I'm saying for some people, it's hard.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Yep, it is, it is, yeah, for sure, it is. And it has been hard for me a lot of times in my life.

• 1:14:52Lewis Howes?

  What's the thing that you've desired the most that took you the longest to attract or actualize or create in your life that you had to trust the longest?

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Definitely being, I've started rapping when I was 11 years old. So I didn't get a record deal until I was 19-ish, 20, 19 or 20. So that's probably the longest one. But when it comes to like,

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  numbers and sales and stuff, that's all beautiful, you know what I'm saying? But. That is just like, it's so momentary, moment, it's so moment. It's just, that is what it is. So it's like, you, that's something you can't control, meaning it's all the way.

• 1:15:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  You can put your energy on it, you could put your intention and your attention and it may go the way you want, it may do better, it may do worse, but that's something that's out of your control if, of, is how people consume your art. The real win is that you got to make it. The real win is that you got to create it and that's, then that's the win already.

• 1:16:04Lewis Howes?

  And putting it out in the universe.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's like, the, all the other stuff is like sprinkles on top is awesome, is great. Success can be like, I feel like that's a, can be a part of someone's success is like uh achieving the goals that they wanted to achieve on a project and, but like I said, when that doesn't happen, which that's happened to me, there have been times where I've sold records on an album, not sold as many as I would like to and so on and so forth. And it's just, you gotta just go, keep going and, and, and have fun with it, you know what I mean? Yeah, sometimes like, sometimes you get to take things too serious and it's like, you know, you realize that you already won by getting to do what you love to do.

• 1:16:47Lewis Howes?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Like I said, if like, you look at anyone else, like, you think Will Smith gonna be down and out there? His movie didn't do as well as he wanted, then the next one does amazing, and then the next one doesn't, and then the next one does. Like, these people, it's like, we get to, you know, or they get to be art, artists. Yeah. You know, like, every, every Van Gogh wasn't the Van Gogh, you know what I mean? It's like every piece is like, that's, that's one thing. And that's the beauty of it. That's really the beauty of it, man.

• 1:17:22Lewis Howes?

  You got a whole chapter in your book about therapy. I'm curious, what is the thing that therapy taught you the most? And what is the healing that you've created for yourself that has given you the most peace and freedom?

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Therapy was just a way of, um, being able to communicate things. You know, therapy has a way of being able to communicate. Things that you wouldn't normally talk about. Things that you wouldn't normally touch on with a friend or family member necessarily, or may not be as deep in that sense, you know? So to me, therapy was just a great way to unpack certain things. And, you know, communication, I've said this before, like, communication is the bridge to salvation that God is holding our hand to walk across. And just like any bridge, you can't skip a step to get to the other side. So it's like, when you are in therapy, you, it is really uncovering so many amazing

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  and hurtful and emotional things about yourself. But it really helps so many aspects of your life, man. It really can help you unpack things. It can help you, um, it can help you let go of things. It can help you forgive someone that you've been holding on to. And that stuff is like, it takes up real estate in your mind, body, and soul. You know, and that may could be holding you back from something, really, truthfully. There are a lot of things that I've had to clear in my life, you know? Really? Yeah, there are a lot of like, mindsets, a lot of concepts that I used to believe that I had to communicate and realize that that is not the truth.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  And, you know, I learned from one of my mentors a while ago, Kristy Sheldon. I haven't talked to her in years, but one of the things she used to do is like, when you have a concept of something that you've been applying in your life, she would say, whatever, whatever, whatever it is, delete, destroy, uncreate, and transmute across all time, space, dimension, and realities. It is done, like. Wow. Done, it's over with, it's behind you now. And sometimes you have to say it like more than once, but yeah, like. I definitely, there were so many, I don't even, I can't even remember because I've gone, I'm over it.

• 1:19:44Lewis Howes?

  Removed it.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I removed it. But there have been times where I've had to say that multiple times in my life. And I still do to this day as well. Like, if there's something that is like striking me. And like, I have to delete, destroy, uncreate and transmute that across all time, space, dimension and realities.

• 1:20:01Lewis Howes?

  Wow. That's powerful, man. That's a good kind of like mantra to reinforce with yourself. What would you say is the biggest mental block that you've had to let go of to create more abundance in your life?

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  I deserve it. That's one of the things is like, you're thinking you're not worthy, like you said. To create more abundance and to create more, whatever it is you're after in life. You can, I guess abundance is a good word to label whatever it is you're after. Is to empower yourself and know you do deserve it, you know? And that may, like, that's one of the things that like, therapy, that's one of the things that. For me, meditating or just like, or just reminding myself who I am, you know? I'm not better than anyone, but I deserve whatever it is I desire.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  That's just, that's a fact. That's really a fact. You know what I mean? So, once you get rid of those concepts and of thinking you, you know, how can you be unhappy you don't have something when you don't think you deserve it?

• 1:21:13Lewis Howes?

  How do people who feel very anxious, depressed, stressed out, overwhelmed? Life's just not going their way, going through a breakup, going through trauma?

• 1:21:25Lewis Howes?

  They feel like everything is against them. How do they learn? That everything is actually in their favor and that they're deserving of abundance?

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's kind of what this whole book is like, not the whole book, but that's kind of like what I try. It's, it's, it's a, first of all, I gotta acknowledge that you're not alone.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  We've all have been there. We've all have been there where the world was against us. And one bad thing happens after another and you're like, well, I guess I'm not meant to be doing this. Or I guess this is like, you know, where it's brought you to tears or brought you, you know.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  And the best part about those moments is it teaches you something new about yourself, but it also is temporary. Then you could use that for fuel to your fire. And also,

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  you have to make a switch in your mind. You have to realize what you're creating. Everything is a reflection of you. So what are you, you know, instead of blaming everyone else.

• 1:22:29Lewis Howes?

  How are you manifesting it?

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, instead of pointing that finger when you realize it's three fingers pointing back at you, you gotta realize that, okay, I, let me, let me change. If I'm not happy with

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  how things are going, let me change. Let me, let me realize that I'm the source and let me change what I'm doing. And see if that effect, and see how that changes it. You know, you, you're not gonna get, you're not gonna get

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  what you desire by like being like

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  up.

• 1:23:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  Or like being like angry at the world or all these things like. And I'm not saying you can't take that angry. There's infinite possibilities. You can't take that and let that fuel you, but if it hasn't been working for you, then yeah, you gotta change up. You gotta change up your mentality because your mentality is everything. It really is. It's the beginning of everything.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Faith and then the mentality, you know?

• 1:23:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, and it's kind of like what Posner said. It's like you were kind of down and out for a while or in more of like a lower state. And then all of a sudden he sees you a few months later and you're glowing. So you changed something within you.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:38Lewis Howes?

  He didn't take a pill and make you feel better. You changed something within you. You transformed the way you think. And then you created from a space of joy and possibilities and freedom.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Have you ever read that book, The Secrets of?

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  The hidden secrets of, I've read it and I can't remember the name of it. It's like talking about speaking to water positively and you're speaking to the water differently. And you know, you look at the water down to the crystal levels. Cause they're like, and you see that like, it'll be like a beautiful snowflake. When you're speaking to water positively and then it'll be like, oh, like deformed looking crazy thing. When you're like saying like, you suck. You don't deserve this, like this and that, as opposed to like, you're worthy. I love you. It's a, you know, instead of, and you see the difference of how in water, right? And you realize that we're like 70, 80% water. And you realize how important it is to speak these things onto yourself and to say them out loud. It has a, it has an effect.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  What that book taught me is not only is that like, people could be like, oh, that's woo woo. That's like an opinion. No, that's, that's scientific research. That the way you, what you say, what you put out in the world literally has an effect on your, um, the world around you.

• 1:24:57Lewis Howes?

  A hundred percent. And I think your inner, your inner words also, even if you don't speak it out, but you're thinking it also has the effect. You're just thinking, I suck, uh, I'm nobody, but you're not saying it, it's still gonna impact you.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is, cause that's your subconscious. And to me, your subconscious mind is like the secret to, that's like one of the secrets to manifest in is really, cause your subconscious mind can't tell what is like real and what isn't.

• 1:25:24Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  So meaning like, you might be like, oh, I don't know if this is gonna work, but let me just do it. And then you'll be like, I am this, I am that, I am that. The fact that you took the time out to acknowledge that your brain is gonna believe anything it tells you. So even if you be like, oh, I fuck like, you know what I'm saying? Your subconscious is gonna be like, oh, okay. It's like. You have to treat your subconscious mind like it's your best gullible friend in the world.

• 1:25:50Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  So you feed it, you give it all of the nutrition so it could be the healthiest possible. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:25:57Lewis Howes?

  In your book, you have a couple of questions for people. And the question is, what are you avoiding in your life? Is it possible that this thing might serve you in your development? What's the best thing that could happen from it? Curious for you, Sean, what are you avoiding in your life right now? What's the thing you're avoiding the most right now? That when you address it, it's going to really help you unlock that next level of abundance and freedom.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  You know what? That's something I'm gonna have to take with me and think about. That's a great question. I think that um

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  I kind of uh

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  need to take time out a little more to uh live my life all the way. What I mean by that is like, go like, whatever it is, whatever I feel. I feel like I have to really accept that I deserve that and that I have the means to do it. And like, you know, I can't say like, oh, I should, I'm held back by this or that. So that's one thing. There are a few things on my list that I know that um that are kind of personal.

• 1:27:06Lewis Howes?

  Sure, sure.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  You know, but I appreciate you.

• 1:27:08Lewis Howes?

  Reflect on it.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  I appreciate you because that is, that is something that that is something that I, I'm gonna actually, I hope somebody wrote that down out there because.

• 1:27:19Lewis Howes?

  Well, you got it in your book.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I should have, I should have brought my journal to take notes, really. I love that you do that.

• 1:27:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course, man. What do you need to make peace with? These are questions that you have in your book for us, which I think are powerful. You're a deep, wise human being, and I appreciate how you challenge anyone who's getting this book. Again, get the book, go higher. But one of the questions is, what do you need to make peace with?

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Oh, that was a, that was a question in my book.

• 1:27:45Lewis Howes?

  It's your book.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, which by the way, the answer I gave is just that some of this stuff is personal. So I didn't want to say it on camera. It's not like I didn't have it, like I know what the things.

• 1:27:55Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  So what was the, the next one you said?

• 1:27:58Lewis Howes?

  Question is, what do you make peace with? Yeah.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  I'll give an example of something that I need to make peace with is uh there is a friend at home that was one of my best friends growing up that.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Hurt me in a sense of uh overstepping boundaries, try to do business with them, try to put them in things. And

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  you know, I don't want to get too many detail because I don't like embarrassing people, but that's one of the things that I need to make peace with in a sense of

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  knowing how to move forward with that, but also letting go of that, letting go of that hurt.

• 1:28:39Lewis Howes?

  Not holding on to it.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, not letting me apply what our situation was to other situations, you know, of like maybe being a little bit having a reservation of doing certain business with people because of that situation and that has nothing to do with that, you know? I have to practice that rule of separation that I've been talking about of like that has nothing to do with that.

• 1:29:03Lewis Howes?

  What's the next three steps you need to make after this conversation to support you in getting to a peace with that conflict?

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Well, one of the next three steps is one, I have to take time out to to actually address these things and respect that. You know, a lot of times if we're not making money or doing things, we think that

• 1:29:24Lewis Howes?

  Wasting our time or whatever you have.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't think that it deserves that much time. So I have to realize that I need to take time. I need to um

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  take responsibility. I need to be confident in my decision. That's one of the things that I lacked my whole life was um confidence in my decisions. I had confidence as a person, but being confident in my decision, that doesn't matter what the outcome is. The confidence in a decision is already a win. You know, because that is the quality.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Of man, and that is the quality that I want to pass on to my future generations. That's something I want to see in my son, and his son, and his daughter, my daughter, whoever, you know, so.

• 1:30:21Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful, man. I'm gonna, I'm gonna follow up with you in a couple of weeks.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  I will, so we gotta do like a part two.

• 1:30:26Lewis Howes?

  I'm down, man, I'm down, man. I've got a few final questions for you. I want to respect your time. What's the thing you are most proud of that most people don't know about you? We know you've got, you know, multi-platinum, 185 million records, you know, you've collaborated with every big artist in the world. You're, you know, a superstar, but what's the thing that you're proud of, most people don't know about you?

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  Well, besides making like the best kid ever in the world, that's one thing I'm for sure proud of. Another thing is being able to achieve something that a lot of people told me was impossible. You know, a lot of people, and achieve it by not believing them. That's one of the things I'm most proud of because it's so easy to believe what someone says. But to bring it all the way back around, you have to believe what you feel always.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  And, and not always believe what you see, but always believe what you feel. And that is the one thing I'm proud of that I've been able to do. When, yeah, when you do think like, you know, you get to collab with your favorite artists, people you consider the greatest. You know, from Yeh to J to Eminem to Nas to Lil Wayne, you know, all of my favorites that are alive still. And have like plaques with them, with their names on it, like, oh, you know. This, me and Kanye song went seven times platinum, oh, me and Jay's, oh, me, Jay and Kanye song a five time. Oh, your song went this, or you this, or you, you know, going diamond and all these things.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  It's like, something I'm really grateful for and proud of, but.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  The I'm not as proud of that as just like believing and like, you know, believing in myself that I could do it means more than the actual thing.

• 1:32:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 1:32:35Lewis Howes?

  Of course, hundred percent. I mean, you've collaborated with some of the, you know, most iconic artists of our generation. And I'm sure you've learned incredible lessons from each one of them and have inspiring stories from each one of them. But which one of those names really taught you something that would just blew you away? Of those artists that you got to work with, whether through interacting with them, seeing how they created art, just being in their presence, how they, you know, performed on stage, like, what was the lesson one of them taught you that really inspired you?

• 1:33:06Speaker 01

  Kanye for sure. He was the one who let me be a fly on the wall in the studio.

• 1:33:11Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, actually, there aren't a lot of people who would let a kid come up to them, rap for them.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Eventually, you know, you know, sign them, build a bond with them, give them an opportunity. It's not a lot of people who would do that. And that's just been, he did, he did. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, that's that was, yeah, that's, that's, that's been awesome. Eminem too, really.

• 1:33:40Lewis Howes?

  What was that like being a Detroit kid?

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, crazy.

• 1:33:43Lewis Howes?

  And Eminem's the, the king.

• 1:33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:46Lewis Howes?

  In Detroit.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:33:48Lewis Howes?

  What was that like?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Well, one of the things I've been talking about this whole interview, uh, the separation of, I learned that just because you're the biggest rapper of all time in the world, doesn't mean that like you're taking it easy. It's like he's, his passion and his has nothing to do with his success in a sense. It is the byproduct of his passion, but at the same time, like he's in the studio every day. He's hungry. He's like trying to do his best and he's like, has sold a trillion records and you know, I said it in another interview, like he cares about rapping like how Goku care about fighting, you know? And I really learned that, uh,

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  That that that passion is its own beast. It has nothing to do with, you know, a lot of people be like, oh, you know, it's just, I guess he taught me to just really go with how you feel. You know, that's what he feel like doing. Yeah.

• 1:34:47Lewis Howes?

  I got, I got two final questions for you. I've got a dozen still on here, but I want to respect our time here. But I want people to get your book before I ask the final questions. It's called Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose Success and Inner Peace. This is a game changer and you wouldn't expect a lot of things you're going to read out of this from, from a guy like Big Sean, but it's extremely, extremely deep, wise, spiritual and profound. And, and I want to acknowledge you, Sean, for putting yourself out there like this. I know you do this in your, your art and your music and there's undertones of this as well in your music.

• 1:35:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:23Lewis Howes?

  But you really went all in on this book and I, I think it's one of your greatest pieces of art because of the impact it will continue to have for generations and how it's truly feeding the soul for so many people when they dive in and start consuming and capturing some of this. So I want to acknowledge you for taking the, the leap of faith to put this out there, to put your heart and soul into something like this and to be willing to talk about all these concepts that I don't really hear a lot of artists like you talking about. I don't hear people talking about manifestation and setting a frequency and letting go of the past. You know, you hear about holding grudges and getting back at people and all these different things.

• 1:36:05Lewis Howes?

  You're, you're, you're speaking about boundaries, learning about how to love yourself, self-worth, therapy, um, you know, recreating bonds with your parents, loving your child, being a great dad, being proud of being a father, being there for your son. Like all these things, it's just not typical conversation, I think, with that industry. And I, maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I think a lot of people might, might be thinking. So I want to acknowledge you for.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:36:33Lewis Howes?

  Diving in and using your heart. Again, what you said, using your heart to be of service. And I think that's the greatest gift that every person can, can give to the world is whatever's in their heart, use it to be of service for others. And I acknowledge you for doing that with this book, my man.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Thank you so much, man.

• 1:36:48Lewis Howes?

  Two final questions for you. I want people to go get the book, follow you on social media. Where else can we be of service to you today besides getting a couple of copies of the book?

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  But I just, you know, I care about the product of what the book teaches you more than you getting it. Like you could get it and pass it on to somebody or, you know, and pass it on to ten different people. You know, I really love the, it's not about like the amount of the books, but man, I just really appreciate those kind words you said. It's uh, sometimes it is, gets a little lonely walking the road I'm on, you know. Uh, but I gotta just keep it real with myself. So, uh, what I can say is that I'm very grateful, you know. Of course, anything you hear from me, you can indulge in, you know. Just be, be the best you, man.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Like that's, that's the way you do it, you know, you go higher with whatever it is you got going on.

• 1:37:46Lewis Howes?

  This is a question I ask everyone at the end, these last two questions. It's called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical scenario.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Alright, cool.

• 1:37:52Lewis Howes?

  Imagine you get to live as long as you want to live on this earth, but it's the last day. Could be a hundred, two hundred years old, whatever it is. You get to live and you get to accomplish and manifest all your dreams from this moment till then. But you gotta turn the lights off and go somewhere else. Your life is over. On this last day, you have to take all of your work with you. So no one has access to your music, your art, your book, this conversation is gone. Hypothetical.

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:38:20Lewis Howes?

  But you get to leave behind three final lessons. I call it three truths. And we would, we would have access to these three lessons. What would those three truths be for you?

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  One is, sounds very cliche, but you, you are the source of your happiness. Be happy. You don't have to chase it, it's already there, you just gotta choose it.

• 1:38:43Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Another is to have fun. See yourself in everyone else.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  Because everything that comes into your existence is just a reflection of you.

• 1:38:59Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  And vice versa. So see yourself in everyone because that will really create a lot for you, I promise.

• 1:39:12Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent, man. Final question, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  To me, it's the act of doing your best, right? So to me, the definition of greatness is like living at the highest frequency in every aspect, getting the most out of life. Whatever that means for you, you know, like getting the most out of it, that's greatness. Yeah.

• 1:39:39Lewis Howes?

  My man, big shot.

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Hey, appreciate you. It's been a true pleasure, man. Yeah.

• 1:39:43Lewis Howes?

  Powerful, man.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:39:44Lewis Howes?

  I have a brand new book called Make Money Easy. And if you're looking to create more financial freedom in your life, you want abundance in your life, and you want to stop making money hard in your life, but you want to make it easier, you want to make it flow, you want to feel abundant, then make sure to go to makemoneyeasybook.com right now and get yourself a copy. I really think this is going to help you transform your relationship with money this moment moving forward. We have some big guests and content coming up. Make sure you're following and stay tuned to the next episode on the School of Greatness.

• 1:40:26Lewis Howes?

  I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

• 1:41:10Lewis Howes?

  And now it's time to go out there and do something great.