The Game Awards and Indiana Jones

Jason, Kirk, and Maddy talk about The Game Awards 2024 (and determine the predictions winner) before breaking down Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, the latest game in the whip-cracking, fedora-wearing archeologist's adventures. They talk about the puzzles, the fist-fighting, and which parts of the game belong in a museum.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:04Speaker 00

  70% of all archaeology is done in the library and we'd probably still play a game about that, but we did want to see the other 30%. Welcome to Triple Click, where we bring the games to you. This week, we talk about Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, which is like a really good new Indiana Jones movie, but with environmental puzzles we get to solve and fascists that we get to punch.

• 0:31Speaker 00

  I'm Maddy Myers.

• 0:32Jason Schreier?

  I'm Jason Schreier.

• 0:33Kirk Hamilton?

  And I'm Kirk Hamilton and hello friends.

• 0:35Jason Schreier?

  Hello.

• 0:36Speaker 00

  Hello, hello, hello.

• 0:38Jason Schreier?

  You guys recovered from gaming's biggest night?

• 0:40Speaker 00

  Kind of, no, honestly.

• 0:43Jason Schreier?

  No, Maddie, you're still feeling it?

• 0:44Kirk Hamilton?

  I guess it's harder for you, Maddie.

• 0:45Jason Schreier?

  A week later.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  I'm still tired, I'm still tired, honestly. Really takes it out of you, you know what I mean? I don't, I don't bounce back from staying up late the way I once did. I'll admit it, I, I'll admit it.

• 0:57Jason Schreier?

  Although, at least you don't have to deal with how loud it is in the show. Like, you can just turn down the volume on your computer. But I will say, shout out to Polygon last week. People might recall that I was saying I couldn't get into the box seat, but Russ Fresnik pinged me a couple of days before the show and was like, "Hey, good news, we got an extra seat." And I was like, "Hell yeah."

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, somebody canceled, you know what? I don't know if we're even gonna do the box next year.

• 1:20Jason Schreier?

  No, you guys are not.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  I heard we weren't gonna do it anymore, so treasure the fancy sodas while you can.

• 1:27Jason Schreier?

  I was there for the sunsetting of the box, yes. I told Russ unplanned, I was like, "Next year, let's just watch at the hotel."

• 1:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, see, that's, that'll be like the real Polygon box, just three friends hanging out, watching it on a laptop, you know? That's how the game of words should be experienced. And, you know, speaking of exclusivity, speaking of things only a few people get access to, if you want to be part of the Triple Click box, perhaps, the Sky Box that sits above our podcast, then you could go to maximumfun.org/join and you could become a member, an exclusive member of our elite club. And if you were to do that, you would get our monthly bonus. Episodes, uh, which recently have been a Dungeons and Dragons campaign, but soon we're

• 2:15Speaker 00

  going to be back to what we ordinarily do, which is, uh, do Beans Cast spill in the beans about video games. Uh, we are going to end this year by doing our favorite other things of 2024. We do one of those every year as a bonus episode, but I know we're also gonna do a Beans Cast on Metaphorie Fantazio. Pretty excited about that. So look forward to that. If you're playing it, you gotta get to the end and then go to maximumfun.org/join. So you can hear what we think about all of the wacky stuff that goes down in that very, very long RPG. There's a ton of other backlogged episodes in there. If you were to join, you'd get access to all of them. So highly recommend doing that. It's, it's very much

• 2:57Speaker 00

  worth it and you get that warm fuzzy feeling of supporting a fully listener supported show. All right, Jason, we have a little more housekeeping to do, right? Up at the top of the show. Speaking of TCH.

• 3:11Jason Schreier?

  Yeah. Before we get into the meat of it, let's talk about the game awards a little bit. So first of all, last week we all made predictions. We each predicted the awards winners and this will be a tiebreaker for our annual predictions bet. And so it is time to reveal the results. So in third place, coming in with 16 correct predictions is Kirk Hamilton. In second place, in second place with 18 is Maddy Myers and in first place with 20 correct predictions is Jason Schreier. Worth noting, all three of us whiffed on game of the year.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  I know.

• 3:43Kirk Hamilton?

  It's true.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  I know. I blame myself for this because my colleague, Ollie Welsh, kept saying it was going to be Astro Bot and I just didn't believe him. I don't know. I should have believed him.

• 3:53Jason Schreier?

  It felt, it was one of those where after it was announced, I was like, oh, of course it was Astro Bot. It kind of felt inevitable afterwards.

• 3:59Kirk Hamilton?

  History feels inevitable in retrospect.

• 4:00Jason Schreier?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  I, I should have listened to him. I know, I know. I just, I even was hanging out with somebody who was telling me it was that. So it's my own folly, but I didn't get that answer.

• 4:10Jason Schreier?

  You should have listened. It was definitely the safest pick. So it makes sense. But yeah, I mean, what did you guys think of this show? Cause I, I left that thinking like, man, he finally nailed. It like for the first time, it felt like he really did a solid game awards. That was like, obviously a ton of it was new game announcements, but those mostly felt fresh and exciting. And also there were no like inane celebrity segments. Um, there was a little live music, but it was Snoop Dogg. So I'll take it.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  Pretty fun.

• 4:38Jason Schreier?

  Like, yeah, pretty, pretty cool. And like, it just felt like a good show for once. For once, I didn't leave feeling like, man, what a drag. Like, that was such a like excruciating experience. I just left being like, okay, that was long, but yeah, that was actually pretty cool. What did you guys think of the whole thing? And the, and the announcements attached?

• 4:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, I thought it was pretty fun. I was all right.

• 4:57Kirk Hamilton?

  Go ahead, Maddie. Well, Maddie, you have the professional's view and I have very much the layman's view. So maybe you go first.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  I still think it should be an hour shorter. I'll say that every year for the rest of my life. I, nothing will ever change my mind. It should be an hour shorter and of, but as far as things that end at 11:15 PM Eastern Time go, I did think it was all right. I did think Statler and Walder were pretty funny as far as Muppets cameos go. I, I guess maybe it's kind of cheap for Jeff to just include every actual criticism of the game awards that people really say to him over the years and just literally put them in Statler and Walder's mouth.

• 5:32Kirk Hamilton?

  Honestly, a genius move.

• 5:34Jason Schreier?

  It's a good way to do it. If you take the criticism and embrace it by putting it in the hands of adorable Muppets.

• 5:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Two of the most famously crotchety Muppets as well. It's really worked for me. I thought that was very funny. And it also was clear from the framework.

• 5:49Jason Schreier?

  We were the most crotchety Muppets.

• 5:50Speaker 00

  We are. If we were there, we'd be very similar, making similar comments. But it was clear also that he had taken some of the notes. There were longer speeches this year in response to getting awards. I really appreciated like hearing the full thoughts from, from the winners who were allowed to give speeches. There were still some awards that were raced through. I mean, it's, it's still the game awards. There's still a few things in there that are like, why is it like this? But it was clear that, that Jeff had changed some things and I appreciated him making those changes. And there were some funny bits. I, it was the first time I like actually laughed at some of the joke writing in the game awards. So I'll give him credit for that.

• 6:28Jason Schreier?

  The Kojima thing was brilliant. And then the look on his face.

• 6:31Speaker 00

  That was legitimately worrying. I was like, is this funny? But in a, in a fun way where I was like a little nervous and it was a little too real, but like in a fun way, like each of the jokes kind of felt that way where they were like really skating up to the line. But I, I kind of don't expect that for the game awards. So I liked it.

• 6:50Jason Schreier?

  Everything else is so sanitized that, um, Kirk, what did you think of the whole thing? And were you excited about the game announcements?

• 6:57Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, I was. I was, um, I'd missed the announcement for The Witcher four and went back and watched that trailer.

• 7:02Speaker 00

  Good trailer.

• 7:03Kirk Hamilton?

  That trailer rocked. I thought it was awesome. I didn't realize that it was so awesome. Of course I should have because The Witcher three trailers were similar when they were announcing that. But wow, it looks so good. That made me really excited.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  It looks amazing.

• 7:15Kirk Hamilton?

  But I, I tuned in late. I tuned in like an hour late just because I had something at, at a five o'clock my time. So I kind of tuned in and got in the triple click discord, which is a very fun place as always to watch the show. Just goofing around with everybody there. And I kind of just, they're like, yeah, I didn't really miss anything. Ellen Ring multiplayer, you know, not much else. And, um, so I, it, it felt a little like you didn't have to watch the whole thing, which I do, I do think indicates a show that could be trimmed some more. But yeah, I thought it was like, it was pretty fine there. It's a little more about fine tuning at this point, and then they'll have it to just sort of an award show, which, you know, and all that that entails. So it's kind of a, it's a mid experience.

• 7:55Kirk Hamilton?

  It's not going to be everything for everybody. It's not going to be remotely the game awards show that like the game, like the best games in the world deserve. It's always going to have flaws. There's always going to be weird snubs. It's not, it's very far from perfect, but they could tweak it a little and have it pretty dialed in. I'd say a little bit more time for a couple more awards, a little bit of category tweaking. So there aren't these kind of weird overlaps, like best debut indie and best indie. Like I understand he's trying to give a lot of awards to people, but then you wind up with things like, you know, Bellatro getting like all of those awards and it's just like, what are we doing? And there's also a point at which the trailers, like the ads for the games, just it reaches a breaking point with the audience. I witnessed this happen.

• 8:40Kirk Hamilton?

  In the TripleClick Discord, when I believe it was an ad for like a Honkai Star Rail anime explosion. It was doing this like recursive thing, like one character into another character into one type of gameplay and another. And it was just like, kind of, if you don't play that game, it was just anime nonsense. And it was at a point in the show where I think everyone just had had enough.

• 9:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:02Kirk Hamilton?

  And I think if you, if people are having that experience watching the show, there's still some more tweaking to be done. But overall, yes, I, I found it to be pretty enjoyable.

• 9:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:10Jason Schreier?

  So the reason that happens is because each of these trailers, the people behind them pay something like $300,000 or $400,000 to be in the show. So that will never stop.

• 9:20Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, we were talking about this a little bit off the air, that, that at some point Jeff does have to say no. And he already has, I mean, presumably there are games or sponsors that he says no to. He could say no a little bit more. I don't know what his balance sheet looks like, but it just seems like at some point, you know, he's always kind of balancing income, budget, and like the show that he wants to put on. And the, the better version of the show just has a little bit less income from a couple of those ads for those kind of like samey games, where you've just seen so many of the ads and they all kind of have the same art style and the same engine and the same look. And it's like, oh my gosh, you know, these are really detracting from my experience. So I think you could make a little, a little pruning.

• 9:59Jason Schreier?

  A couple of big surprises, Witcher 4 is obviously there. There was an Elden Ring co-op game.

• 10:04Kirk Hamilton?

  Sounds fun.

• 10:05Jason Schreier?

  A new Onemusha, a new Okami, and then the big new IP from Naughty Dog kind of ending, ending the night with Jeff somberly coming out and saying, I've seen the future and this is it.

• 10:19Kirk Hamilton?

  This is it. It's Cowboy Bebop, everybody.

• 10:21Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, right? Anything other than Witcher 4, anything resonate, resonate with you guys?

• 10:27Kirk Hamilton?

  Uh, yeah, that one game, is it called Dispatch?

• 10:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:30Jason Schreier?

  Yes, that was.

• 10:30Kirk Hamilton?

  Where you're like a superhero dispatcher.

• 10:32Jason Schreier?

  Man, that was my highlight of the show.

• 10:34Kirk Hamilton?

  That was easily the best looking game.

• 10:35Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, that looked so cool. And Aaron Paul, that was a little, little cringy when Aaron Paul and Laura Bailey were like.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:42Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, but they were, I don't know. I mean, it's a great voice cast and the look of that game, just, that game looks super fun. Can't wait for it.

• 10:50Jason Schreier?

  It's ex Telltale people at the studio called Ad hoc. Really, really cool. That game looked awesome and that comes out next year, unlike most of the other things that were shown. The Elden Ring thing also comes out next year and then Witcher and Naughty Dog and Anamusha and Alkami are all bazillion years away.

• 11:05Speaker 00

  Who knows when?

• 11:06Kirk Hamilton?

  It does, it did make me realize how infrequently on the Game Awards they show a game where there is like a mechanical and narrative idea that feels exciting. Almost every trailer, it's just like a slow mo Samurai in space with a machine gun headshotting people or whatever. And I'm just like, whatever, who cares?

• 11:22Speaker 00

  And it's all not in engine.

• 11:23Kirk Hamilton?

  Like it feels like a parody of video games. So then suddenly they're like, here's a freaking idea and there's clearly like a story and a world and like, and I was like, oh yeah, I can imagine that game. That's going to be good. There should be more ads for games like this, maybe?

• 11:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, where it's like obvious what you're gonna do in the video game in the ad.

• 11:40Jason Schreier?

  It's just hard to capture like some systems games. Like imagine a trailer for Bellatro if we didn't know what it was, like a previous Game Awards. Everyone would be like, what the hell is this? It's like, what is going on?

• 11:52Kirk Hamilton?

  That game may be more than most because it looks like Solitaire or whatever, but a game like Tactical Breach Wizards or something like that, like they could show you that. And I'd be like, oh my God, this looks great. Oh, it's from Tom Francis. Like they could do the thing that would make me excited. They just don't really show that kind of game at the Game Awards.

• 12:06Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, I guess the context here being like, uh, most of those companies can't afford to pay $300,000 to be there.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  Interesting, interesting.

• 12:14Jason Schreier?

  I've heard that he gives some exceptions once in a while, like his favors and stuff, but like, who knows? It's all just kind of like money and politics as it always is. Real quick, before we move to our main subject today, um, did you guys, what did you guys think of the Naughty Dog thing? Like first Naughty Dog game since Last of Us 2, since they canceled their multiplayer project and also the first Naughty Dog new IP since The Last of Us in 2013?

• 12:39Speaker 00

  I mean, I'll play it. I don't know. I, I, I don't have a lot I feel I can say about like a big cinematic like that because it's not.

• 12:47Jason Schreier?

  It's very teaser-y, very like.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  It's not, it's not really related to what the actual game is gonna be and I know that. So I, I'm always gonna be skeptical of something like that because it's like, I don't actually know what that game's even gonna be. It was a really cool cinematic, though. Like, I enjoyed that, but whatever.

• 13:02Jason Schreier?

  Maddie, the question I would ask is, do the people working on it even know what it's going to be?

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. When you get a big flashy cinematic, that's also a concern, but hey, maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't know. I have no inside information about Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet. Why aren't we saying the full name of it? It's so, it just rolls off the tongue, easy to remember.

• 13:22Jason Schreier?

  It sounds like the Beastie Boys song. It's so funny when you say that one very much.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  That's what plays in my head every time I hear the title, or say it as a bit, because I love saying it. Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet.

• 13:37Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the pre-release discourse, just because pre-release discourse always sucks, because no one knows what they're talking about.

• 13:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:44Kirk Hamilton?

  And also, like, for Naughty Dog games in particular, it just gets crazy. It already is for this game, and I don't care. And I did think it was funny how the trailer was this great little cinematic. And then at the very end, it's like, third person in an action game where you have a big sword. And I was like, oh, okay, so it is a video game.

• 13:59Jason Schreier?

  It's still a video game. Yep, yeah.

• 14:01Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, we'll see, though.

• 14:02Jason Schreier?

  I'm sure there will be, yeah, much, much more to come on that one. Okay, let's talk about a video game that actually exists and that we can play right now.

• 14:09Speaker 00

  Yay!

• 14:09Jason Schreier?

  Kirk, what are we talking about today?

• 14:12Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, we are talking about a certain Indiana Jones game that just came out. I wrote a little intro for it that will explain a little bit about what it is before we get into it.

• 14:22Kirk Hamilton?

  Indiana Jones: The Great Circle is the latest game from Swedish developer Machine Games in a surprising detour from their stewardship of the Wolfenstein franchise over the course of the 2010s. Players step under the fedora of Henry "Indiana Jones" Jr., a Connecticut history professor who lives a second life as a bullwhip-cracking Nazi-fighting archaeologist. Set in 1937, one year after the events of 1981's Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Great Circle is played largely from the first-person perspective and presents a mix of scripted set pieces and open-ended exploration with a focus on puzzle-solving and environmental discovery. The globe hopping story spends most of its time in three large, open areas, similar in design to the Dishonored or modern day

• 15:07Kirk Hamilton?

  Sx games, with a series of smaller, more focused set piece sequences placed in between them. Each new area finds indie dawning disguises to sneak around, uncover clues, and complete optional side challenges, while also following the main storyline, which has him uncovering the truth behind the mythic Great Circle before the Nazis, led by the dastardly scientist Emmerich Voss, can harness its power to their own evil ends. While a lot of the game is spent reading maps, crawling through tombs, and deciphering ancient symbols, there's still quite a bit of wacky action, with a focus on improvised weaponry and emergent slapstick fights. If you've ever wanted to play a game where you cold cock a Nazi with a mandolin, you are in luck.

• 15:50Kirk Hamilton?

  A little surprise no one to hear that I really love this game, but I want to hear from the two of you before we get too much more into, like, before I get into my own impressions. So let's do it. What do you each think of this game? How much have you played?

• 16:02Speaker 00

  I'll go first. I've probably played the least, although I'm really loving it. But it's only recently, as in like, last night, that I finally found a series of settings that don't make me motion sick. I don't want to dwell on this too much, because it's not very interesting, but I'm just gonna shout it out in case any listeners out there are having the same problem, because from what I understand, this is a pretty frequent machine games problem. I haven't played the new Wolfensteins.

• 16:28Kirk Hamilton?

  It was an issue for me with one of their Wolfenstein games, in the home base where there was no reticle. I started to get nauseous. So yeah, go ahead.

• 16:34Speaker 00

  So I will say, on the Xbox version, which is where I started before I switched to PC because of this, there isn't a field of view slider, and there is one on PC. And specifically, it's Indiana Jones' walk speed. He just kind of bobs his head when he walks. So for a while, I was just running and crawling everywhere, and you can kind of get away with that in this game. But I really actually enjoy walking everywhere, because this game is nothing if not a walking simulator. So I wanted to like, get my full Indiana Jones- On and just kind of stroll around coolly, looking at stuff and picking up comic books and making little senite comments about them.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  So I I'm in now. I I've so if you're playing on Xbox and you're having a tough time and you don't have a PC that can run the game, I have no good news for you. But on PC, there's a slider. Turn up the FOV all the way to the highest setting and that will help you. It really helped me. I was worried I was gonna have to wait for a mod or something, but that's really helped me. So that's my big tip. I love this game. Really surprised by how walking simulator-y it is and how many environmental puzzles there are, how good the puzzles are. In the sense that you actually have to just pay attention to the world around you and just pick stuff up and look at it and sit there and think about it.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  Which as we we talk about this kind of puzzle all the time on the show, us sitting there outside of the game in your own head and thinking about it, kind of a puzzle. It's our favorite kind. There's a lot of that in this game. Just enjoy punching fascists as well. There's a lot of hand to hand combat in this game. It doesn't feel amazing, but it feels good enough to me that I'm really digging that part. But mostly I'm here for the story and the puzzles and just the fact that Troy Baker's Harrison Ford impression is so shockingly disarmingly good. That it is kind of upsetting, really. Like, I just keep thinking it's him. Like, it really just takes you back to watching those original movies.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  When Harrison Ford's voice just sounded a little younger, which it doesn't as much anymore. So like, really, I feel like Troy Baker is doing a better job, which is the exact joke that Harrison himself made at the Game Awards. Was that Troy did a better job than even he could. And I was like, you know what? At least he said it. So I feel, I don't feel as bad thinking it. It's just, it's incredible. It feels like a new Indiana Jones game. I I just have more thoughts about how much I love the story, but I want to hear, I want to hear what Jason thinks of it, too. So Jason, how far are you and what do you think about it so far?

• 19:07Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, I'm finished with the Vatican. I just got off the airship into Giza, Egypt, which is the second big hub. I am really enjoying it. I think that the stealth slash fighting slash anything involving enemies is kind of the weakest part of the game, whereas the catacombs and puzzles and exploring and poking around and donning disguises and the cinematics are all awesome and really, really enjoyable. I'm hoping that the former part gets better as you go because I'm hoping you unlock some new abilities that make it a little more interesting because in the Vatican, at least all you can really do is just kind of duck behind things and throw bottles to distract enemies and then just

• 19:50Jason Schreier?

  hope they don't see you. But like, I don't know. So this is so there's, there's so many little moments that I've enjoyed so much, like even in the midst of one stealth section, like later in the Vatican Vatican section or in one of the side quests or something, you're like sneaking around an enemy camp or military camp. And you can duck into a tent and in there you find this like chest with a lock on it and then this little mini puzzle, not too difficult, but still fun to solve in the middle of all that. And that is such a joy, such a delightful little thing. So like, I think this is the kind of game that's meant for people who are really into puzzle solving and environmental storytelling and cinematics in general, as opposed to action combat. And I'm all for that. That is why

• 20:35Jason Schreier?

  I'm going to finish this game, most likely, and play through it all because I'm really into it. I'm really into the story. Yes, Troy Baker is uncanny as Indy and does a great job with it. It all looks really cool and good. And the villain Emmerich Voss is spectacular, as are the giant monk dudes. Yeah, there's just a lot to really dig about this game and it makes up for the weaker points, I think. Like, I don't really mind having to occasionally get into a fistfight when everything else is so cool. I was thinking, while I was exploring one of the catacombs in the Vatican, I was thinking about how like a lesser game would make this full of just like pointless zombie encounters. At every stage.

• 21:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:19Jason Schreier?

  This game is not that. This game is very much like you are exploring this thing and doing some good old fashioned tomb raiding. No enemies in sight. And I love that. I was disappointed during the sections where like Nazis came out or fascists came out and I had to duck around them. Cause that to me, again, is just the least interesting part. But there's so many cool puzzles and environments that that all makes up for that for me. I really like it.

• 21:40Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah. So as I already said, I love, love, love this game. I am like the exact target audience. I'm in my mid 40s. I was a Raiders of the Lost Ark VHS kid growing up. I like have that movie memorized. This movie or this game, of course, begins with a shot for shot or largely shot for shot.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:57Kirk Hamilton?

  Remake of the beginning of Raiders.

• 21:58Jason Schreier?

  What a, what a fun thing.

• 22:00Kirk Hamilton?

  Which is incredibly fun.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  Can't we talk about that? Like that's the tutorial is remaking one of the most famous movie scenes ever.

• 22:09Jason Schreier?

  And you don't really realize it until you're like, wait a minute. At least for me.

• 22:13Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, it starts with like, for me, like the Paramount logo fading into that shot of the mountain. I was like, oh my God, they're not going to do this. And then of course they did it. And like, I like the, the sound effects even, the whip cracking, the pistol falling into the creek and going off. Like the facial expressions of, um, what's his name? Doc Ock. What's the, the actor's name?

• 22:34Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The assistant dude.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Alfred Molina?

• 22:36Kirk Hamilton?

  Thank you. Of Alfred Molina, who has been recreated here.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:40Kirk Hamilton?

  So much fun. Um, I like, love that. And so I like, honestly have watched Raiders of the Lost Ark so many times just as a kid. So I am like, you know, just grew up watching these movies, even as a kid was always kind of like, you know, uh, Temple of Doom, kind of weird and shitty.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Weird and bad? Yeah.

• 22:55Kirk Hamilton?

  Why? I wish he was fighting Nazis.

• 22:56Jason Schreier?

  But then Last Crusade makes up for it.

• 22:58Kirk Hamilton?

  And then Last Crusade made up for it. And now of course I've come to really appreciate what made those movies great. This whole interesting collaboration between George Lucas and Steven Spielberg.

• 23:07Jason Schreier?

  Kind of funny that two out of five movies are good in the series.

• 23:12Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, I mean, yeah, Temple of Doom does have some Spielbergian like. Cool stuff in it, like it's the closest Spielberg came to making a musical until he made West Side Story, that opening sequence where they sing Anything Goes, the like railcar scene, like chase, there's some fun stuff, or the minecart chase in that, and anyways, we don't need to talk about the movies, that's a whole other thing. But I think those movies do have like a certain vibe, a certain look.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  Oh yeah.

• 23:36Kirk Hamilton?

  And it's like very imprinted on me, just because of how old I am and how much I watch them. It's amazing to me how well this game captures that. It's, it is definitely Troy Baker's performance, which is remarkable. I do just think of him as Indy almost all the time, like it's just, I don't even think of it, it just sounds just like him, which you realize what a particular performance that is.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 23:58Kirk Hamilton?

  When you hear someone else doing it, it's like, oh cool, he really did his homework. This is like when a musician transcribes a bunch of, you know, a soloist that they admire and really learns to sound exactly like them. It's the same kind of thing, he's just able to modulate his voice to do those exact like sort of gruff, or dismissive, or low key, it makes you realize how laconic Indy is a lot of the time. And then sometimes he's really nervy, like he can be a really nervy guy, where he gets, he's pointing and he's kind of worked up about something or excited, and he just, they capture that. But it's also the writing, and it's the music, Gordy Hobb did the music to this game, he also, he's like kind of the go-to John Williams guy, he did Battlefront, he did the Star Wars Jedi games, he's really great, and man, the way they recorded the orchestra, the sound

• 24:43Kirk Hamilton?

  of it, all, I mean, it really sounds like a Williams Indy score.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  It feels like just a lost Indiana Jones movie, or something.

• 24:51Kirk Hamilton?

  It's so cool.

• 24:51Speaker 00

  Like, it just, everything about it, except it also feels better.

• 24:55Jason Schreier?

  Can I just give a shout out to Doug Lee, who voiced Indiana Jones in the old Lucas Arts games, Fate of Atlantis?

• 25:01Speaker 00

  Oh yeah.

• 25:02Jason Schreier?

  And stuff, and he also did a pretty good job of recreating.

• 25:05Speaker 00

  They're pretty good, I went back and dug up some YouTube videos of that, because I was curious how he did, and also was like, he's pretty good too, like people have certainly been out here trying to play Indy. And not doing too bad at it.

• 25:17Kirk Hamilton?

  And Fate of Atlantis did kind of capture something about indie that could very easily be lost. And something that this game has really reminded me of is how far Tomb Raider and then Uncharted and then Modern Tomb Raider strayed from

• 25:32Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:32Kirk Hamilton?

  what Indiana Jones adventure is actually like. Like, I think that Tomb Raider was like, the original Tomb Raider games, I mean, in the 90s, they were kind of going for that sense of like hidden secrets, you know, but they're very, very different from Indiana Jones. And then Uncharted was like, what if we took Tomb Raider and we kind of combined it with Gears of War and like, made it a little bit like indie, but actually quite different. And once, now that I've played so many Uncharted games, and then the new trilogy of Tomb Raider games, which are kind of like, what if we took Uncharted, but we made it a little more about Lara Croft? Like, they've gone so far from this. Like, this game feels radically different from those.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  I know.

• 26:07Kirk Hamilton?

  It at times in the set pieces does feel like first person Uncharted. And it's very exciting when it does that, especially later in the game. Things that I wouldn't want to spoil. There are some really thrilling and amazing set pieces after Act Two that I just like, loved. But it is much more of an Indiana Jones experience. And just because I've seen those movies so much, there are things like, you know, a door opening in a crypt or in a tomb, and golden light kind of wafting through as the door opens with dust in the light, that just looks exactly like some certain shot from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Like, they have, the people who made this game and Machine Games clearly love Indiana Jones, and they love Spielberg's filmmaking style, and they love like Lawrence

• 26:51Kirk Hamilton?

  Kasdan in particular, his writing style, the cutscenes, the action scenes in the cutscenes are so slapsticky and silly. It's almost, Indy is always on the back foot. He's always like stumbling around. There's, people are dropping things. There's like silly music playing. It, it never feels like, I don't know, like Uncharted, never feels cool. It's always wild and zany.

• 27:10Jason Schreier?

  There's an equivalent of the iconic Indy shooting the guy with, with the, with all the fancy knives and stuff. There's a, a cutscene version of that in The Vatican, where you have to take someone's confession. And I was, well, what happens, in case people haven't gotten to that. But that was like-

• 27:26Kirk Hamilton?

  But a perfect scene, yes.

• 27:27Jason Schreier?

  That reminded me of that, like, like, it was spot on, B for B, like, it was, not B for B, but like, it captured the spirit of, of what Indy is.

• 27:36Kirk Hamilton?

  Yes, and throughout the game, I mean, every cutscene feels the same way. Like, it always leans on jokes, it's always funny, it's always surprising, it just never, it's always got this very particular energy that they're just capturing so perfectly. And it's really neat to play something that feels like this much of a tribute, where everybody involved, like, just really managed to do the thing, the indie thing, that I didn't realize was as specific as it was, but the minute I see it, I'm totally blown away by that. So, yeah, I really like this game. I've played like 25 hours now, and I've actually mainly been playing this game on the TV with Emily.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 28:15Kirk Hamilton?

  Because it's kind of a perfect game. It's like watching a really long Indiana Jones movie. I actually haven't seen the two most recent movies, Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny, because I heard they weren't that good, and I really liked indie growing up, and I don't care to watch bad movies, so I just haven't watched them.

• 28:31Speaker 00

  I have the controversial opinion that they're not that bad, for what it's

• 28:34Kirk Hamilton?

  Okay.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  I think you should watch them.

• 28:35Kirk Hamilton?

  I haven't seen them, so I don't have an opinion. But this fits right in. I mean, the fact that it's set at a time period when they couldn't actually make a modern indie movie now.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:45Kirk Hamilton?

  Because Harrison Ford is so old.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  And it's set in the past.

• 28:48Kirk Hamilton?

  Because they've managed to, yeah, it's set right after Raiders, which is also like, kind of, the peak era for Indiana Jones. The Nazis are on the rise. There's like, you know, it's like, that type of technology, that version of the world is just like, when we think of Indiana Jones as taking place. And so, it really feels to me like Emily and I are just sitting there, watching an Indiana Jones movie, and she's knitting and doing whatever, and then she helps with puzzles. And because this game isn't like Uncharted, or Tomb Raider, in that it's not brutal like Tomb Raider, it's not just endless shootouts like Uncharted can kind of devolve into, it's mostly just walking around, you know, we're in the Vatican, we go to the Sistine Chapel, it's super beautiful looking, we're talking to someone about history. There are these long narrative sequences, or these really interesting, almost like

• 29:33Kirk Hamilton?

  experimental, like, you just sit at one point, and the guy just tells you a story, and it's clearly like, a real folk story from that part of the world, and indie just sort of listens. This version of Indiana Jones is clearly just very interested in other cultures, and really appreciative. Of all the different, the things that make them different. And it's so cool. It's been so fun to play through it together. And then because there's all this side stuff, there are these, you know, below the field work, which are technically optional missions, but I would say are not optional because they're really involved in their story missions. But below that, the mysteries are like a little more optional. And then there are discoveries, I think they're called, which are kind of collectibles. Those are more like, if you really want to go and, you know, go through every corner of the Vatican and find all the artifacts or whatever, you can do that. So I do that stuff on my own.

• 30:18Kirk Hamilton?

  Like during the day, I'll play a little bit and I just get on the computer and play, you know, on my own because Emily doesn't need to see that stuff. It's mostly like backtracking and exploring.

• 30:26Jason Schreier?

  That's the gamer shame portion.

• 30:28Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, it's like the stuff that's a little less interesting. And then when it's time for story stuff, I kind of save it for that night. You know, after we've had dinner, we like put, I put it on the TV and we play through it. Really great way to play through the game. So anyways, yeah, I could go on and on and on, but I like love this game. I am, it's like the biggest surprise in a really long time for me, even though the previews had indicated that it was kind of an immersive sim, had indicated that it was funny, that there were all these like improvised weapons and that the fights were really silly and that it had this, this comedic energy. I still wasn't expecting it to be quite this good or quite this different. I like have kind of never played a triple A game like this before.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:06Jason Schreier?

  Yeah. I think the immersive sim stuff seems a little overblown to me unless things get a little more, unless you get more options moving on. Cause it to, to me, it hasn't felt like there are that many choices in the gameplay like you would get in a Dishonored or a Deus Ex.

• 31:22Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah. It's not, I mean, when people say the Indiana Jones game is an immersive sim, I think they're kind of, they're speaking a little broadly and they're kind of indicating, hey, who would have thought that it's a game about exploring and costumes and stealth instead of a game about whip cracking and gun shooting?

• 31:36Jason Schreier?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 31:36Kirk Hamilton?

  But yes, totally agree. I mean, it is a much more limited immersive sim than something like Dishonored because you just don't quite have the same like mobility options. Indy's mobility is actually pretty limited. It's more just like you get a costume, you explore around. But there are systems that interact. There's a really funny physics system, like there's a stealth system. You know, it's, it's all kind of. It's very approachable. It's not like very dense in that way because I think they just want you to focus on the puzzles, the puzzles that they put in front of you. And those are really kind of where they put the most thought, I think.

• 32:07Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, and the puzzles are great. I mean, this is a fantastic puzzle game feels like just a proper Indiana Jones. I mean, you can't have an Indiana Jones game without amazing puzzles like you do. And I mean, a lot of them actually remind me of like the trials in The Last Crusade.

• 32:24Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah.

• 32:25Jason Schreier?

  Where you're just kind of like overcoming the series of like religious inspired like different. But there is, there are a few that I've really enjoyed. There was one where you have to kind of like move these pillars to glow, like glowing spots. And then you realize you can only move a couple of them and you have to maneuver your way to the other side by moving one of the pillars to not only use as the kind of tool for the puzzle, but also to use as a traversal tool. And it's very smart, very smartly designed puzzle. And I imagine they're getting more and more elaborate. Steven Titolo is texting me a couple of weeks ago about a puzzle like towards the end of the game that took him hours to like unravel.

• 33:00Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, I just got to that.

• 33:01Jason Schreier?

  I'm very excited for that sort of thing.

• 33:03Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, let's talk a little more about the puzzles. I think, because I think that you're right that the design is very interesting. And it does something that a lot of these types of games don't do, which is it almost never repeats a puzzle type. And almost every puzzle that you run into, it's a type of puzzle that you're familiar with, and then they put a twist on it. Like you're doing a like move the light beams to reflect off of mirrors puzzle. But then you realize, oh, this isn't actually just that. It's also like a pattern matching puzzle on the wall where I have to look at the different patterns and understand how they fit together. And like, it's always kind of pushing you. And then it isn't like in the next room, you find another one of those that's just got five more pieces. In the next room, you find a completely different puzzle. And like,

• 33:47Kirk Hamilton?

  they keep doing that throughout. I mean, they really put a lot of thought into these puzzles.

• 33:51Jason Schreier?

  I love that. Yeah. And that's the highlight of the game for me. Because again, it just feels like the fist fighting is just kind of like, whatever, it's there because it has to be there. But yeah, these puzzles are just incredible.

• 34:00Kirk Hamilton?

  I love punching fascists and Nazis.

• 34:02Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I guess you like it more than we do.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  With you, Jason.

• 34:07Jason Schreier?

  I mean.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  I think it's fine. It doesn't feel that great to me.

• 34:11Jason Schreier?

  It doesn't feel that great. And sometimes they have guns and you kind of have to get away from them.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  I know.

• 34:15Jason Schreier?

  You can't really.

• 34:15Kirk Hamilton?

  So to explain how it goes when you get a little farther in, since I'm.

• 34:19Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, please do.

• 34:20Kirk Hamilton?

  I'm in the third area now. You level up in this game by like, by doing side stuff and then you get these books that give you new abilities. And as you go, you kind of get more stamina, which is a really important thing in a fight because you spend it to attack and to defend. And you also get more health, so you're just tougher. And you also, you kind of figure out how to work the food system. So there are cookies and like all kinds of delicious baked goods.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Hilarious, by the way.

• 34:45Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, just constantly eating biscotti.

• 34:47Kirk Hamilton?

  Which I love and is hilarious. And there's also fruit. And so fruit juices up your stamina. And if you're constantly just horking down biscotti and croissants and donuts. And also like lemon, just eating whole lemons.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, like why? He's eating lemons?

• 35:02Kirk Hamilton?

  I mean, when I think of an Indiana Jones movie, I think of Indy just eating an entire lemon and then fighting a Nazi.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, we've all seen that. That's in every movie.

• 35:08Jason Schreier?

  I just don't understand why Indiana Jones isn't like 400 pounds of all the biscotti he eats.

• 35:13Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, he's, he's an active.

• 35:14Jason Schreier?

  I guess he's moving a lot.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  Constantly punching people, that's why.

• 35:17Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, that's true. That's true. He's working on his buys and his tries.

• 35:20Kirk Hamilton?

  Once you level up a bit, you've read some books that give you more, like give you more melee damage. And like you're more resistant and you kind of have a few more moves at your disposal. Like you can just kind of wail on any Nazi. Like I'll be, you can travel back to areas that you've been to before. I went back to the Vatican to do some stuff. And like, I set off an alarm where usually if you, if you really set off an alarm, if they're blowing the whistle and guys are coming at you. You know, and eventually they will start shooting at you. You're kind of screwed. Like there comes a point, in the early game anyways.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just let myself die at that point.

• 35:51Kirk Hamilton?

  You just have to reload your safety.

• 35:52Jason Schreier?

  And then, and then if, Matty, have you gotten the ability where you can revive yourself by picking up your hat? Because it's amazing.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  No, but I have heard about it. And I'm so glad that's in there because it's just, it's, it's really funny. And I like having all these systems based parts of the game that are purely comedic. Like the fact that you're eating biscotti and like.

• 36:10Kirk Hamilton?

  It's great. So good.

• 36:11Speaker 00

  Cornetto and, and stuff is so funny.

• 36:13Kirk Hamilton?

  Anytime I'm like running away from guys and like shouting down.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  Pescotti is very, very funny and that your hat is that important mechanically is wonderful.

• 36:20Jason Schreier?

  Which one thing, one thing that doesn't happen in the movies so much is Indy escaping a fight to eat Pescotti and then returning freshly recharged.

• 36:27Kirk Hamilton?

  They just don't show that. That's the deleted scene.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  But he does always have to get his hat. That's an important part of the movies. So including that.

• 36:34Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, the hat of course plays a role many times.

• 36:36Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 36:38Kirk Hamilton?

  So at this point in the game, though, when that happens, I can just stand at the doorway and take each dude out. So there'll be like, I'll have the stealth game, the massive pile of bodies in front of me. And like, I, I just am pretty unstoppable. And that makes the combat actually a lot more fun. Like, I'm finding that I just, when I'm walking, especially in, in Giza, there are actual Nazis. So in the Vatican, it's Mussolini's soldiers, the black shirts, and they're fascists. So then they're referred to as fascists in the game HUD. But there are Nazis in Giza and there's just something about a Nazi saying Heil Hitler to you. And then I'm just like, fuck you.

• 37:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:13Kirk Hamilton?

  And I'll just like beat him up.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  You just gotta kill that guy.

• 37:16Kirk Hamilton?

  Cause like, the stealth systems are not super reactive. The enemies are very dumb. It's totally to the game's benefit that this is the case. And you could just wail on a dude and maybe the guy next to you will see you. But there comes a point in the game where then you just grab a broom and like knock him out. You know, or break a guitar over his head or whatever. And those scenes have become much, much more funny. If you begin throwing things at, at enemies, like you can just throw anything that you pick up. It just becomes slapstick like gold. Like the way they stumble around after you knock them down before they finally hit the ground. They like fall down the stairs. You're like knocking guys off of towers and like, it's, it's very, very funny.

• 37:52Jason Schreier?

  Which is, which is fitting.

• 37:53Kirk Hamilton?

  The action has grown on me quite a bit as I've, as I've gotten deeper into the game.

• 37:57Jason Schreier?

  It is fitting. It's like, uh, when he throws that guy out of the blimp and he's like, no tickets.

• 38:02Kirk Hamilton?

  Yes. Well, he always has a little pithy remark that he says.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. And you know, they, Troy Baker's recorded so many quips. I mean, that's part of what really impresses me about this game is how the, the volume of quips and that I really genuinely enjoy all of them. It's like the, the best parts of Indiana Jones and none of the stuff that really irritates me about Indiana Jones. At least not yet. I, you know?

• 38:24Kirk Hamilton?

  No, it's, I mean, it's really. Really remarkable. I think like they've, they've, they've kind of just massaged Indiana Jones over the years to kind of soften his character a bit and turn him into someone who still feels true to the character that existed in Raiders especially, but is just less of a kind of asshole.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 38:43Kirk Hamilton?

  He was always kind of a jerk and is also like less, you know, it belongs in a museum with the implication being like, my museum.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:50Kirk Hamilton?

  And now, I mean, what he's doing explicitly in this game is he is like recovering artifacts and giving them to the people who live wherever he recovered the artifacts. And that's, he believes in knowledge. He wants to know what's going on and he doesn't like Nazis and he wants to stop them from getting very powerful artifacts. And there are, this game does a very good job of sort of paying tribute to the different cultures that he's visiting in showing you actual wonders of the world and amazing, you know, works of art and culture that you could find in the Vatican or Giza. And I won't spoil the future areas just because it gets pretty cool where you wind up. But each place that you go, that becomes more and more of a theme.

• 39:28Jason Schreier?

  Space.

• 39:31Kirk Hamilton?

  Yes, the cultures of Mars.

• 39:34Speaker 00

  Hey, Crystal Skull is a movie.

• 39:36Jason Schreier?

  Uh, that's true.

• 39:38Kirk Hamilton?

  But it's really cool. I think, I think it's a neat thing the game is doing and it probably won't come as a surprise to someone who's played all the Wolfenstein games, which also have just like a lot of heart and thought put into the supporting characters and into like the worldview. That worldview is certainly present in this game and actually like translates onto an Indiana Jones game super well, like really, really well, better than I would have thought.

• 40:00Jason Schreier?

  Mm-hmm. Indy, yeah, you can be helpful. You can take photos for people and, and hand them out to everybody. Um, one thing I was confused about, I'm curious if the game ever explains this, is why during the scene where like Voss and Mussolini are talking, Voss is talking in German and Mussolini is talking in Italian. Or like why sometimes Indy seems to understand Italian but then responds in English. It really, I'm a little lost.

• 40:23Speaker 00

  That's a little inconsistent. I kind of wish that they had, maybe it's because Troy Baker doesn't speak Italian or I don't know what decision they made there.

• 40:32Jason Schreier?

  Does Indy speak Italian or is he just like?

• 40:34Kirk Hamilton?

  Indy is a lang- Language expert.

• 40:37Jason Schreier?

  Right, okay.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  I don't, I feel like the implication is that he can, and whenever you're walking around town, he can hear people speaking in Italian and the subtitles will give it to me in English. And I'll be like, okay, this is like indicating that Indiana Jones can understand what they're saying. Great, I get it. But then anytime he's talking to someone, sometimes it's clear that he's like supposed to be speaking Italian. I feel like this is just a classic problem in this kind of media where you're like, the implication is the character is speaking another language here, but we're not going to do that, except when we are, it's fine.

• 41:07Jason Schreier?

  But that part I get at least, but like Vas and like Mussolini, both speaking different languages to each other. It made no sense.

• 41:14Kirk Hamilton?

  I don't know. It's like, oh, the, those fascists all kind of speak the same language. They're, they're speaking fascist basic.

• 41:20Jason Schreier?

  It's all fascism. It's all the language of fascism.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  Exactly. They're using a universal translator. It's fine.

• 41:26Kirk Hamilton?

  There is actually some really lovely stuff with language. And later in the game, there's a whole, like, Indy is speaking quite a bit of other foreign languages.

• 41:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:35Kirk Hamilton?

  And Troy Baker has done a very, I think, very good job of like learning to deliver lines in other languages.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, then I guess it's a specific decision earlier on that they don't do it.

• 41:43Kirk Hamilton?

  Or like, it's just a little bit inconsistent because voiceover is hard to get all the things you need. And they maybe made different calls for different scenes, but there are actually sequences, and especially there's a couple later in the game that I just played, where it's really cool, like where Indy is clearly speaking, you know, a person's native language as a sign of respect. And it's also a really cool thing about him, where he is this kind of laconic, tough guy, who often is sort of frustrated and just sort of like, you know, he feels a little too old for the world. But then he has gone and learned all these different languages and he really cares about people all around the world. And he wants to hear people's stories and communicate to them, communicate with them in a way that like shows respect and that he understands their culture and their language.

• 42:26Kirk Hamilton?

  And like, that, it comes across not in a preachy way, but just, it's a subtle pervasive thing, both in how he understands people. But then later, he is like speaking languages in a way where it's like, wow, go ahead, Indy, shit, you speak a lot of languages, man. Like, that's very, very, um... Impressive. It's also, I guess it's kind of, it's a theme of the story. Like, language is a central part of the mystery. I won't give anything away. But like, the Great Circle is, there's also a language involved and learning that language is very important. And then Gina, who I also think is actually a very fun character, who's the kind of female co-lead. She's an Italian reporter who teams up with Indy in the Vatican and then they wind up going on the whole adventure together.

• 43:05Kirk Hamilton?

  She's a great character. She has her own goals. She's looking for her sister, who is an expert linguist and who Indy is aware of. And she has been kind of either dragooned or joined the Nazis. It's not clear, but she's like working with Voss and helping translate some language. And that's kind of a big part of the story is like Gina's like, well, I need to find my sister. And Indy is like, well, I'm trying to find out what's going on with this, you know, with the Great Circle. So we're kind of, they start out together, but then of course they grow closer over the course of the story. And last thing to say there is I think that like, it is really well handled. Like their relationship and their dynamic is really cool.

• 43:44Kirk Hamilton?

  And there have been some great scenes with them where it's commonly like the sort of Indy is frustrated with a young and more energetic like female partner because he's always kind of like, oh my God. But she's also very helpful a lot of the time. She's very funny and like doesn't take his shit. She calls him, is it strumbo? Which means like oddball in Italian, I think. So she's always like, you're such a weird guy, but I guess I'll stick with you. But they do grow closer over the course of events in the story where it isn't like, they just fall in love or whatever. That's not exactly how it goes. It's more like because of the things that happen and the things they learn about one another, they actually organically become closer, which it reminds me in some ways of the relationship in The Wolfenstein Games,

• 44:24Kirk Hamilton?

  which was also like something I never would have guessed that a Wolfenstein game would have is like this depiction of like a love story that leads to like a real life together and stuff, these two main characters, BJ and, I'm forgetting her name, but the female lead of those games. Bing. Her name is Anya. Her name is Anya. Bing. So anyways, really cool stuff. And it's also true to Indy's story in that he is at the moment dealing with losing Marian. Yes. Who has like left him. For reasons we we know she did in the later movies, but it was never really explored. So he's kind of like dealing with that and like with what it means for him and like to be alone and what his life even is. And that comes up too. So it's all very true to the characters and like really well written and really well done.

• 45:06Jason Schreier?

  What's the name of the blonde woman in Last Crusade? Is it Elsa or something like that?

• 45:10Kirk Hamilton?

  Nazi lady.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  She's terrifying. Yeah, I there's always somebody.

• 45:14Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, but you don't, but it's only revealed later. That's like the twist that she's a Nazi.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. Of course. I mean, I feel like other than Marion, I mean, he always has some type of female character foil. And like, these are the kinds of things about the movies that I'm like, I just have to ignore these parts because especially in Temple of Doom, the female foil is such a sexist stereotype.

• 45:35Kirk Hamilton?

  There's so much misogyny in that movie.

• 45:37Speaker 00

  And it's like, these are the things that like you just fast forward through her like my dad literally did fast forward through when he was showing it to me and my sister as kids, just to be like, there's parts of this movie that are dumb. And we're just going to skip them and get to the fun parts.

• 45:49Kirk Hamilton?

  The part where they're on the bridge.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  That's the part. Those are like the parts that I very literally remember of Indiana Jones. It's like, yeah, those are the parts that really matter. And like this game, I think, is directly speaking to that impulse of being like, yeah, you want Indiana Jones to be hanging out with like a cool, smart lady. But what if he respected her? And they were like foils for each other in a way that was like dynamic and fun. And like, he didn't ever just roll his eyes at her and like make fun of her in a shitty way. Like, like, that's the part of it that you don't want. And like, this game really understands that and is like, that's the Indiana Jones that you remember in your heart. And you want to rewatch the movies and you just project that on to them. You know what I mean?

• 46:27Jason Schreier?

  I like that. I like the idea of this game is like rose colored eye, rose colored glasses, Indiana Jones.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  Kirk, I know you haven't seen Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny, but like Marion is very much end game for Indy. And like she comes back and they end up together and like she gets her completion of her arc in a way that I actually really appreciate for her. Like she gets to grow up and like be with Indy and they get to be true equals. That's part of why I think those movies are interesting. But that's a whole other podcast. Maybe we'll watch them and talk about it at some point. But I think that's, I think that's a cool thing and almost like a forgiving of like. Like her portrayal earlier on and like this game is aware of those movies and is like giving you a version of Indiana Jones who's gonna like grow into the guy that's like that smarter, cooler guy who respects women more. I don't know. I really go out on a tear here, but I, I think there's something to it.

• 47:17Kirk Hamilton?

  I don't think of Marion's portrayal in Raiders of the Last Ark as particularly bad. Like I, I've always liked that character.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  No, but she, she, she's very, I mean, I love her, but like she definitely is like mad at Indy for a lot of the movie and like, you know, she's drinking a lot. She's very like emotionally raw. I mean, she's, I love, I love Marion. I, I will never not love her, but like, I do think that she gets to be like a true co-conspirator with Indy in a different way in like the latter day movies, if that's fair to say, you know, because she's more of an adult and like an equal as opposed to like, you know, just some girl. I don't know.

• 47:54Kirk Hamilton?

  Okay.

• 47:55Jason Schreier?

  I have something important to share with you guys. Uh, Dr. Elsa Schneider, that's The Last Crusade, uh, femme fatale.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  Our villainess.

• 48:03Jason Schreier?

  And she is played, she's played by an actress named Allison Doody.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  Great.

• 48:09Kirk Hamilton?

  Okay.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  She's an, it is a great performance, name or not. She's an amazing villain.

• 48:15Kirk Hamilton?

  I've, I've always kind of held like, so Karen Allen, who played Marion and like Marion's, that performance and I don't know, the introduction of her doing the drinking competition.

• 48:24Speaker 00

  I know.

• 48:24Kirk Hamilton?

  I've always really held as a kid, I was like, damn, this chick rocks. Like I, I thought Marion was awesome. So I've, I've always kind of been like, well, there was kind of only one woman for Indiana Jones. Like in the end, it's Marion.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  And I think that's what the movies now believe, you know?

• 48:38Kirk Hamilton?

  Well, and I don't know how the great circle ends up with Gina and like what the nature of their relationship may be.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:44Kirk Hamilton?

  So I'm actually not sure, but it does seem as though the game also understands that. Um, and based on how I've watched them interact, it's, they're like sort of, uh, you know, oddball, like jokey banter is just really, really well done. It's, it's a really fun part of the game. And then of course, Voss also is a fantastic villain, uh, played by what's, what's his name? Marius Gavrilis, uh, incredible job. Man, these machine games writers know how to write these hateable nods.

• 49:11Speaker 00

  That's why you know they're gonna do a good job.

• 49:14Kirk Hamilton?

  He kinda gets owned over and over and over through the game, which is cool. And of course, we should mention that the late Tony Todd, the Candyman, plays Locust. And he's fantastic as well as this sort of terrifying giant who's also a little bit enigmatic and of course, plays a very vital role in the underlying mystery. So another great performance there.

• 49:32Jason Schreier?

  Terrible boss fight, though.

• 49:34Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, that's tough at the beginning. You get better at fighting as you go. You'll see as you play more.

• 49:39Jason Schreier?

  Okay.

• 49:40Kirk Hamilton?

  Anyways, yeah, I love this game. I didn't expect to love it this much.

• 49:43Jason Schreier?

  It's a cool game, yeah.

• 49:44Kirk Hamilton?

  But I'm absolutely wild about it.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  See, I'm so excited to finish it and see what happens.

• 49:48Kirk Hamilton?

  I'm excited for the two of you to keep going.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  If they wanna keep making these, that's fine with me, by the way.

• 49:53Kirk Hamilton?

  And really, I can't stress enough, there's stuff that's so cool that happens. Like, very, very cool game. So anyways, that is Indiana Jones and the Great Circle, a game that I think all three of us really liked. All right, let's take a break and then we will be back for one more thing.

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• 51:36Kirk Hamilton?

  And we are back for one more thing. Maddie, why don't you go first?

• 51:41Speaker 00

  You know, I was wondering if you've seen this movie. Okay, that's so funny. Um, all right. So my wife made me watch a movie called Drumline.

• 51:49Kirk Hamilton?

  A great movie.

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Because she was shocked and appalled that I had never seen Drumline. And partway through watching the movie, I actually turned to her and said, you know, I bet Kirk is gonna be shocked and appalled that I've never seen Drumline.

• 52:01Kirk Hamilton?

  No, but I'm glad that you watched it. It's a great movie.

• 52:04Speaker 00

  And I'll explain why. So Drumline is, you know how there's kind of like competitive dance movies, competitive sports movies?

• 52:12Kirk Hamilton?

  It's like Step Up.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Like a band movie and there's like an underdog, you know, set of characters. And then there's like the cool school that everybody has to go up against and like, oh, they're scary and like way better than us. And they have more money and resources for some reason.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  Drumline is that movie, but with marching band. And it's amazing. It's so good. I, it's such a fun time. I was never like a member of marching band. I, it's not a world I'm super familiar with, but regardless, I thought it was extremely fun. Nick Cannon stars in it as this kind of fit, like phenom, like annoyingly bratty, excellent drummer who comes into this college and is like, you know, doesn't think he needs to listen to the orchestra conductor, thinks he's better than everyone, but also is like working with the kind of underdog college and is like, oh, maybe I should have gone to that like other school where they're way better and they win the big marching band competition every year. But you know, in the end, it can, his character is gonna like learn discipline and like learn something from the other characters and, and learn the sort of one band, one sound mantra that all the other marching band characters have learned, which is like, you can't be the star of the show.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  If you're a part of a band that's that big, there's occasional solo moments to be sure, but

• 53:34Kirk Hamilton?

  Certainly not if you're the drum line.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  You need to not be. You have to actually be cohesive and like it's so it's such a fun movie to just see all of these amazing marching band routines and hear the songs and apparently they like cast actual just members of marching bands to play these characters. And so you just actually get to see their routines and hear them play. And so, you know, there's certainly some famous actors in the movie as well, but mostly it's just like an incredible music movie. Classic competition movie. It's just, I don't know, it's a really, really fun time. It's it's on like multiple streaming services. If I'm sure it's on one you subscribe to, you can just Google it. It's called Drumline. It's from 2002. Really, really great time and just fun.

• 54:15Jason Schreier?

  From the time when Nick Cannon was the hottest actor around.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  It's great. Orlando Jones is like the orchestra conductor who like teaches Nick Cannon discipline. It's just, it's, it's a delightful film, so I recommend it. I had a really great time watching it for the first time.

• 54:29Kirk Hamilton?

  So this movie is, it's kind of like a tribute to the HBCU marching band thing, the historically black colleges and universities. Where marching band is like a whole other thing in a certain like collegiate culture in America.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 54:42Kirk Hamilton?

  So I went to the University of Miami. I'm going to tell a quick story because this is, this is my like marching band. So I went to University of Miami, small school, great football team. And our first game, the first game I ever went to with the Orange Bowl was against Florida A and M. A largely black school with a really huge marching band. I didn't know any of this at the time. And I, we've smoked them at football, like at the half, it was like, we were up by like 30 points or something. Cause like our football team was way better than theirs. And our marching band, the University of Miami marching band, they did their best, but they were not like a main event. They were just like, it was like something that I think the music ed majors kind of had to do. So they were kind of small. They had fun. They did some routines, but whatever.

• 55:22Kirk Hamilton?

  And then at halftime, Florida A and M's marching band takes the field and it's like, I don't know, 500 people. It seemed like a thousand people totally ripping it apart. Like the drum line came out. It was like off the chart. Their, their whole, like their stands erupt. Everybody in the audience is like on their feet going nuts.

• 55:41Speaker 00

  Like dancing.

• 55:42Kirk Hamilton?

  So awesome. I was like, what is going on? Cause I was like completely ignorant. Of this whole world of marching bands where like there are a lot of schools like the school depicted. I think the fictional school in Drumline where

• 55:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a fictional school. Yeah.

• 55:54Kirk Hamilton?

  The, the football team is very secondary to the marching band, which is like the main event. And, and anyways, it was so exciting. And then of course afterward, I learned about the sort of additional context and what that all meant. And then saw this movie a few years later and was like, oh, awesome. This is like a kind of a big tribute to that whole world.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:11Kirk Hamilton?

  And all the awesome music that comes out of it. So I love that movie.

• 56:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was glad to see it. And it was like another classic moment where Dina was like, what are you talking about? We watched this movie like until the VHS were out in my family growing up, which we have many things like that. You marry someone from a different background than you, you get to learn about what their family movies are. And sometimes they're really, really awesome. So yeah, I recommend Drumline. It's very good.

• 56:35Kirk Hamilton?

  Yeah, it's a good one. Jason, what's your one more thing?

• 56:37Jason Schreier?

  My one more thing is a book called Say Nothing by Patrick Radden Keef, which if that sounds familiar, it actually just was turned into a mini series that is on Hulu. I haven't watched that though. I, I'm almost done with the book, which is this fantastic nonfiction book about the troubles, which is like this, I think 30 year period in Ireland that was kind of this kind of low level violence all the time, everywhere. And there are all sorts of factions involved and it would be kind of like, you can't even sum it up as like one party versus another. Cause there's so much going on. There's like religious aspect, there's a culture aspect, there's a government aspect. But it's all, it was all a mess, hence why it was called The Troubles. And this book is really fascinating.

• 57:22Jason Schreier?

  It kind of focuses on a few main figures of the time, including Dolores Price, who is this, this young lady who became an IRA terrorist. And she has this wild and fascinating story and a bunch of the people around her. And it kind of focuses on their lives and what they went through and the, the plots they had. And then the prison time they served and the hunger strikes they carried out and all sorts of other cool stuff. And it's all nonfiction. So it's all true stories told through a Really cool, just kind of a well, well structured journalistic approach. And I really highly recommend it. It's a really good book.

• 58:06Jason Schreier?

  I think it might, it's like, you kind of, you have to mean it on its own terms. So like, if you're not familiar at all with the time, it might take you a little bit of reading or a little bit of supplemental reading before you're really kind of like all, all caught up on what's going on exactly. But really interesting and really interesting for me to learn about a time and kind of a bit of history that I knew absolutely nothing about. But that I think was, I mean, some of these people I think were household names in the UK at the time, because they were the, the subjects of celebrity and tabloid attention and newspapers all the time. And it's really interesting reading about their lives 20, 30, 40 years later.

• 58:49Jason Schreier?

  So yeah, it's called Say Nothing, Patrick Radden Keefe, really cool book. I recommend it.

• 58:53Kirk Hamilton?

  Nice.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  Cool. Yeah, I've seen this, this get advertised to me, the series, but maybe I should read the book. It sounds cool.

• 59:00Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, the series, I mean, I imagine the series is probably more approachable to people. I'm probably going to watch it after the book. So I'll let you guys know like what I think of the two compared to each other. I do know that, I believe that Patrick Radden Keefe, who's a journalist, he wrote a bunch of other books too. I read Empire Payne about the, the opioid crisis and the Sackler family. That was a few years ago too. I believe he was involved with the

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Oh, cool.

• 59:28Jason Schreier?

  Show. So I think it's authentic. I'm not a hundred percent sure about that, but I think he was involved in some way or another.

• 59:33Speaker 00

  Well, I hope he is. Yeah. If it has the same name, one would hope he is involved.

• 59:37Jason Schreier?

  Yeah, yeah. Sometimes of these things, you just kind of sign away an option and let someone else handle it. And then sometimes you as the author get involved.

• 59:45Kirk Hamilton?

  Nice. Well, I will go last. My one more thing is a game that I've been playing. Actually, now that I've got the PC running to the TV, I've been playing this one with Emily as well. It's called Thank Goodness You're Here. And it's out on PC and pretty much every console, Switch and PS4 and Xbox and all that. I've been playing on PC. This game is hilarious. And I really recommend it. It's totally Bizarre, but very, very funny. So it's made by a developer called Cole Supper. They have another game, I'm forgetting the name, but it is free. It's like sort of short, maybe proof of concept for the similar like art style and game style to this. But this is a big, maybe their first more fleshed out game.

• 1:00:25Kirk Hamilton?

  It's published by Panic, the publisher, or the, I think they, what they funded or created the playdate, right? Created, yeah. Yeah, created the playdate that handheld, handheld with the crank. And have published some cool indie games over the years. So this game is like, the closest thing I can think to compare it to is Untitled Goose Game. In that it's a game set in a very specific part of the world with a very specific style of humor. That is very, very funny and is mostly about causing mayhem. So it's almost impossible for me to describe this. I think if anyone is interested after I talk about it a little bit, just go look at a trailer for it and you'll see what it looks like and what it's like. You play as a kind of salesman who is sent to pitch the people of this town called Barnsworth, which is in Northern England.

• 1:01:10Kirk Hamilton?

  And you're kind of pitching them on creating, I think, an ad campaign to get more people to come to the town. I'm not really sure. Once you get there, it's just the first time you get there and there's this really weird guy and his arm is stuck in the hole and he says, "Oh, thank goodness you're here. I need to get my arm out of the hole because I was trying to grab a tuppence in the hole." And like everyone is speaking in a variety of Northern English accents and dialects. And it's like very hard to understand everyone, but there are always subtitles on the bottom. And it's just a totally bizarre slapstick world. Your only method of interacting with, you're this little yellow guy. And he just walks around and the only way of interacting with the world is slapping people. So you just press a button and you smack people.

• 1:01:51Kirk Hamilton?

  And then they either say something or they go, "Oh," or you know, or it causes something to break open in the world. The whole world, it's a cartoon. It looks like a hand-drawn cartoon, the entire world. And kinda like, I don't know, Ren and Stimpy, or I don't know what kind of cartoon I could really compare it to. I'm sure there are some English cartoons that really look like this that I'm not familiar with. But everything is kind of horrible. There's a lot of just like gross, like, like splooches and, and trash. And like, things are just broken. There's bugs everywhere. There's like spiders in every corner. The world seems very alive in a way that is sometimes disgusting, but always very vibrant and very funny. And then it's just, it's surrealist. I can't even begin to describe the experience of playing this game.

• 1:02:36Kirk Hamilton?

  I mean, it plays with scale in all of these really wild ways where characters in one scene will be giant and your character is tiny and he's like walking across their stomach and they just talk to him. And then he leaves and the next time you see them, they're normal sized. Or he gets transported into like a meat world where there's like, like, it's a totally bizarre surreal experience that is, to me, hilariously funny. Like, it's very, very, very funny.

• 1:02:59Jason Schreier?

  Can I, can I ask you? So I watched the trailer for this and I saw some people complimenting it. But I, watching some of the footage, it felt very like, I don't know, random humor that didn't really feel like it was for me. But you think it's hilarious. You're saying it's, it's-

• 1:03:12Kirk Hamilton?

  I don't know if it's for you. It's very particular. I, I mean, I, it may be. Like, it's very particular. It's very British. It's very absurd. But it's very, very funny, to me anyways. Like, these sequences will play out. This guy's arm is stuck in a hole. You're trying to help him out. Each time you come back around to where he is, there are more people standing around him. Each character is this kind of terrible-looking bizarre person. They, and, but you kinda get to know them all and then they move through the town. So as you go through the town multiple times, you see people multiple times. You have to like go into this, I think a bakery where they have butter in the freezer and you have to get the butter out. So you can use the butter to get him out. But the way that that plays out is just this absolutely absurd sequence of events.

• 1:03:54Kirk Hamilton?

  I mean, I, I would say Monty Python is probably a pretty clear influence here. And like that style of humor where it's like, just pratfalls and bizarre like surreality and like things just happening that have absolutely no explanation. Just lead from one to the next to the next. It's a very like short attention span game. You're just always kind of like, what's in front of me? I don't know. Am I supposed to go here? Let's go here. Oh, I fell down a hall. Oh, now I'm in the pipes under the city. Oh, now I'm in a whole new area like. And just, it's very hard to describe the experience, but I find it very, very charming and funny.

• 1:04:25Jason Schreier?

  Do you do anything in it? Or you just walk around and then jokes happen?

• 1:04:29Kirk Hamilton?

  No, you are, there's some light platforming and puzzle solving. Like, you know, like I was saying, you have to go get the butter. You have to figure out how to get the butter from the bakery over to the guy's arm.

• 1:04:38Jason Schreier?

  Sure. So it's not just talking to make that play out. Okay.

• 1:04:40Kirk Hamilton?

  No, it's, no, it's not just that. And then it also is like a community game where you're kind of walking around this rich community of freaks and like getting to know them all and like seeing how they all relate to one another and listening to their stories they tell one another. And it's like, it's very much about like capturing some Gestalt of Northern England. Like that is very clearly the intent of the developers to be like, this is a very specific part of the world. It's sort of underrepresented and we want to like write this bizarre love letter to this place where we live and where we know so many people.

• 1:05:12Jason Schreier?

  Is there, is there a smack barm peewat in it? That's a good question.

• 1:05:16Kirk Hamilton?

  I, I don't know.

• 1:05:18Jason Schreier?

  Do you guys know what that is?

• 1:05:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:05:20Jason Schreier?

  Oh gosh.

• 1:05:21Kirk Hamilton?

  There might be the, there might be. There's a lot of references that I don't get in this game, so there could well be that one.

• 1:05:27Jason Schreier?

  I'll have to send you guys a link to the smack barm.

• 1:05:30Kirk Hamilton?

  Okay, great. We'll put that in the show notes.

• 1:05:31Jason Schreier?

  You've never seen it? It's the guy talking, it's this British guy talking about how he went up and had an authentic Wigan kebab. Oh my God, you have to watch this video.

• 1:05:39Kirk Hamilton?

  This is like what this game is like though. I have not seen that, but that is like.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  I don't know what this is, but I'm excited to understand it when Jason DMs us a link to it.

• 1:05:48Jason Schreier?

  I will show you guys the video. You guys, Kirk is gonna bing in being like, what the hell?

• 1:05:53Kirk Hamilton?

  I mean, I might be in being like, oh, this is clearly like what this game is based on.

• 1:05:59Kirk Hamilton?

  I mean, yeah, Jason showed me the video and it actually, it is very close to the experience of thank goodness you're here.

• 1:06:09Speaker 03

  It's as good as gravy. It's the water off the peas. You get a few peas in as well. You don't, you don't, it's free. Just moist your chips up. Or your smack. I think I've got room for a little bit more, mate. Can I get a smack on PayWet? No problem at all.

• 1:06:24Kirk Hamilton?

  Figured that was worth sharing. Bing! Anyways, I think it's really great. It's not too long, we're nearing the end. I think it's only a few hours. It's just hilarious and unlike anything I've played in forever. And I really, I really wholeheartedly recommend it. It's, it's an incredibly fun and funny game. So yeah, that's Thank Goodness You're Here. It's on pretty much every platform. Totally worth checking out. And yeah, that's that.

• 1:06:47Jason Schreier?

  Cool.

• 1:06:48Kirk Hamilton?

  Another episode of Triple Click.

• 1:06:49Jason Schreier?

  Another episode of Gaming's Biggest Night.

• 1:06:53Kirk Hamilton?

  Yes, Gaming's Biggest Night is over. But Gaming's Biggest Day, the day when our picks for each of our top 10 games of the year. That is yet to come.

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  It is yet to come. It is coming soon.

• 1:07:02Kirk Hamilton?

  Next week, look forward to that.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Get excited.

• 1:07:05Jason Schreier?

  Can't wait. I still have to play some games, catch up on some games before we record that.

• 1:07:10Kirk Hamilton?

  I think I've got my 10 pretty dialed in, but you never know.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  One week left to quickly play every other video game we miss. And then add the playlist.

• 1:07:18Jason Schreier?

  That's the plan.

• 1:07:18Kirk Hamilton?

  We'll see how that goes. Good luck to both of you and I'll see the two of you next week.

• 1:07:22Jason Schreier?

  See you next week.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 1:07:26Kirk Hamilton?

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