#318 - Epstein's UFO Files: It's Clear Why They Killed Him | Jeremy Rys

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Jeremy Rys is a science, technology & physics researcher with a focus advanced propulsion concepts and UFO / UAP propulsion systems. SPONSORS https://morning.ver.so/danny. - Use code DANNY for 15% off your first order. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Get a $1 per month trial and start selling today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS @AlienScientist https://www.altpropulsion.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Joe Rogan & Bob Lazar's secret 07:56 - Howard Lutnick's suspicious Epstein connection 24:25 - Department of Commerce covering up 911 39:40 - The truth about Epstein is worse than you think 46:17 - Luis Elizondo & Jeremy Corbell 50:38 - FBI raided Jeremy's lab 52:47 - Why Epstein was obsessed with gravity 01:08:52 - Elon & SpaceX's knowledge of UFOs 01:14:35 - Have we figured out anti-gravity? 01:25:16 - Clare Bronfman 01:35:47 - Remote viewing 01:45:06 - Why all the JFK assassination suspects are gay 01:58:29 - The real reason JFK was killed 02:07:00 - Jeremy's take on Bob Lazar 02:20:37 - Jeremy Corbell 02:31:20 - Newly discovered alien mummies 02:38:12 - Epstein didn't kill himself - he's still alive 02:45:01 - How Alex Jones predicted 911 03:01:33 - Suspicious details in the Diddy case 03:10:20 - What happens when we discover free energy 03:16:18 - Are UFO sightings military tech? 03:29:18 - Havana syndrome weapons 03:36:38 - Jake Barber & Chris Bledsoe Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:37Danny Jones?

  Uh, you got accused of being a fed and now you look the part.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Well, you know, if the suit suit fits, I guess I wear it.

• 0:45Danny Jones?

  The suit fits?

• 0:48Speaker 02

  I don't know. But I just can't believe I'm sitting here talking to you. I just saw you and Joe Rogan like two days ago, dude. That blew my mind.

• 0:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it blew my mind too, bro.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  So I just want to say I'm dying to know what the secret that Bob Lazar told off air is because he.

• 1:08Danny Jones?

  Okay, the secret is, uh, Bob Lazar had a quantum anti-gravity dildo in his ass.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  I was gonna say.

• 1:18Danny Jones?

  In Area 51.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  I thought it was the Element 115 under John Lear's driveway.

• 1:23Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  You know, like that, that's what he said. It was buried under the driveway. Like, like literally, um, the, we can see, uh, we have GPR that can see structures underneath the pyramids, but the government can't look underneath John Lear's driveway to find a trillion dollar, trillion dollar gram piece of stolen Element 115.

• 1:42Danny Jones?

  Well, Bob smuggled the Element 115 out of S4 in his butt. That's, that's what happened. And he showed it to Rogan and he promised not to say anything to him.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  He didn't get rectal cancer from that, did he?

• 1:52Danny Jones?

  Right. No, it actually, it actually made his ass 20 years younger. So he's now he has the ass of a, of a 20 year old.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  My God.

• 1:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  You see, you're like a butt model. Does his sphincter look like your sphincter?

• 2:10Danny Jones?

  That was good. I like that.

• 2:12Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Yeah, we got a lot to catch up on, man.

• 2:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we do, bro. We got a ton to catch up on. This Epstein stuff, the UFO stuff, and you've been doing a crazy deep dive on 9/11 and how this 9/11 UFOs and Epstein are all connected.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and it's connected to a lot of other crazy stuff, too. Like, I mean, basically Epstein's entire network comes right from Iran-Contra. It comes right from when Carter shut down the CIA in the 70s and 76 for the House Select Committee on Assassinations. He shut down the CIA and basically a private CIA popped up to fill in the holes. It called the Safari Club, and the Safari Club was named after this retreat where they all used to meet called the Safari Club, and it was owned by a guy named Adnan Khashoggi, right? That name comes up quite a bit in the Epstein case, and it was one of Epstein's early clients. Those are the same network of people that Epstein was involved in, started out in,

• 3:15Speaker 02

  at Bear Stearns, which is a company that was, you know, owned by the Bronfman family and all that. And you dig into these families, they got rich during prohibition, got a lot of money during prohibition, and they also have their hands in a lot of history, a lot of hidden history when it comes to, you know, behind the scenes stuff, not just Iran-Contra, but, you know, the Bronfman's had an operator, similar to Epstein, was this kind of operator for these billionaire elite families. Back in the day, they had another guy named Jack Alston Crichton, who ran for the governor of Texas in 1964 against Governor Connally in Texas. And also Bush, George H.W.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Bush, ran for the Senate that same year in Texas. So, both of those people, Jack Crichton and George H.W. Bush, it turns out, were deeply tied to the JFK assassination through the documents and the history that the researchers have pulled out of this. Jack Crichton was in the 488th Intelligence Squadron with George Lumpkin, who was a captain on the Dallas Police Force, driving the car in front of Kennedy that slowed down right in Dealey Plaza so that, you know, they could take the shots. They had an ambush there waiting for him. These were like the key people involved in the assassination. I know everyone's talking about Joe Anides and the whole counterintelligence operation out of JM Wave and those connections.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  But, you know, the Miami station that did the whole Bay of Pigs thing, tons of these Bay of Pigs operatives left Cuba very angry at Kennedy, swore revenge on him. They blamed him for the failure of the Bay of Pigs.

• 4:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I interviewed one of them.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  The staging operation, the platform for the Bay of Pigs was actually Zapata Oil, offshore oil platforms run by George H.W. Bush. He owned these oil platforms. They used those as the station between Miami and Cuba to launch the Bay of Pigs invasion from. So Bush was tied to this whole network of, you know, CIA anti-Castro Cubans and then also the CIA in Dallas and a bunch of these oilmen. You know, Jack Crichton was business partners with D. Harold Byrd, who owned the schoolbook depository building where Lee Harvey Oswald was shot from. And then you have, you know, you have Ruth Payne involved.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  She's connected to D. Harold Byrd. She was friends with D. Harold Byrd, introduced Oswald, got him the job at the schoolbook depository building. She was Oswald's landlady. Basically, you know, she's still alive, by the way, and that's one of the reasons I think that a lot of the files haven't fully come out yet because people are still alive from the JFK assassination. She's like 94 now. It's pretty crazy when you dig into all the JFK assassination stuff that's come out in these files and the Luna hearings. A lot of the stuff is coming to light slowly. It took 60 years for this to get out. We don't want to have to wait 60 years to find out, you know, which elite politicians were abusing children.

• 6:26Danny Jones?

  Well, I think the JFK files are the same thing as, the same thing is going to happen with the Epstein files. I think they're just never going to admit this stuff and it's going to be like the way it is now. If you took a poll on every single American that pays attention to this stuff. A vast majority of people would say they know that the Jeff, that the JFK was not, that Oswald was not the lone shooter, right? Like, people know there's a conspiracy behind that, whether, whether they understand, like, who was truly behind it and who specifically all worked as a part of it. I don't think that people know that, but like, people can see the forest for the trees, that this was something that was covered up by the US government, and it's the same thing with Epstein. And then, and the US government's just like, giving you the, us the middle finger, saying, fuck you, you're never gonna find the truth. Good luck.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  You know, it's sad that we live in a country where our, the people inside the prisons do more to protect us from child abusers than, than our government. Because these people go to prison, they get, they get the crap kicked out of them by, by inmates, you know? Like, once they, once inmates find out that you're a child molester in jail, it's like, you're done. You're done. Like, but the government, it's like, no, we're gonna protect these people. That's just messed up, man. It's like, I just, I just don't.

• 7:37Danny Jones?

  Tim Dillon really said it best about America. He said, "America has become, when you're going to vote for the president, it's just pick your favorite file. Pick the file you agree with, because all these people are compromised." It's almost a prerequisite to have some sort of blackmail on you to be a leader of the free world, or to have any high position in government or intelligence or anything.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  That's so crazy how they told us we're getting the files, they got people to vote, a lot of people voted for Trump because that they wanted this all to come out. You know, all, a lot of-

• 8:13Danny Jones?

  Right. That's what he ran on. He literally ran on, on releasing the Epstein files. It was one of the major things that he ran on. And now he's saying, "Are we still talking about these Epstein files? Come on."

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Oh, this is the weird thing, right? In those press conferences, the interview, he's standing next to the, his department, head of the Department of Commerce, which a lot of people are like, "Who's this guy? I've never seen this guy before, or heard of him before." And, you know, I remembered who he was, and I was like, "Oh, this is Howard Lutnick." Howard Lutnick was the CEO of-

• 8:41Danny Jones?

  When was this?

• 8:42Speaker 02

  In, in the, in the press conference where, where Trump basically takes questions about Epstein and calls everyone, calls his base stupid for being interested in the Epstein files. He's sitting directly next to-

• 8:52Danny Jones?

  Is this the one with Pam Bondi?

• 8:54Speaker 02

  No, no, this is not, there's one in the White House conference room, and then there's another one.

• 8:58Danny Jones?

  Can you find the one where he's talking about Steve, so we can see, see Howard Lutnick sitting next to him?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Howard Lutnick's sitting right next to him, man.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  So I was amazed. I said, why is Howard Lutnick That? Covering up for this? And you find out? Yeah, yeah, this is, this is one of them. Um, I'm not. I know that you can, maybe you can find the clip while we talk about this for a second. But he's sitting next, this is the, this is the clip where Trump calls his base stupid, you know, basically. I haven't seen this one yet. He insults his base. So like, he says, everyone, oh, people, the people who are interested in this are stupid. And basically calling people silly. Oh, this is old news. Let's not worry about this. This is, it's nonsense. But he's sitting next to Howard Lutnick. And I'm saying, how is Howard Lutnick covering up for all this?

• 9:45Speaker 02

  And then people have pointed out that, well, Howard Lutnick bought the house right next door to Jeffrey Epstein. That Epstein was running his whole New York operation out of 971st Street. Well, the house next door to it, 1171st Street was also owned in part through, um, this Comet Trust is what actually owned the. Leslie Wexner gave that house to Jeffrey Epstein, right? I believe so. I believe he gave the house to him or it gave it to him through a series of trusts. But he had this in the background and then that, then a trust called the Comet Trust sold it to Howard Lutnick. And I'm like Comet Trust? I've never heard of that before. But if you search for anything related to Comet and Jeffrey Epstein,

• 10:26Speaker 02

  you get the, the, all that QAnon disinfo garbage about ping pong pizza and Comet pizza and the pizza gate crap. Uh, which I, I think was a, uh, I think that was a counterintelligence op that was put out right after the Epstein stuff to. Oh, really? Really? He goes a distraction? Yeah. A lot of the QAnon was, it was, uh, was a limited. Here it is. Here's the video. Yeah. Yeah. So he's. Hit it.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  I'm curious, why do you think your supporters in particular have been so interested in the Epstein story? And so upset about how it's been handled?

• 10:55Speaker 04

  I don't understand why they would be so interested. He's dead for a long time. He was never a big factor in terms of life. Uh, I don't understand what the interest or what the fascination is. I really don't. And the credible information's been given. Don't forget, we went. Through years of the Mueller witch hunt and all of the different things, the Steele dossier, which was all fake, all that information was fake. But I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody. It's pretty boring stuff. It's sorted, but it's boring. And I don't understand why it keeps going.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  I think really only pretty bad people, including fake news, want to keep something like that going. But credible information, let them give it. Anything that's credible, I would say, let them have it.

• 11:50Danny Jones?

  So here's the thing. Here's the thing.

• 11:54Danny Jones?

  We know what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. We know he was an access agent for the Mossad, right? It's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious with Robert Maxwell, his whole background and how he was recruited by Mossad when he was part of British intelligence and his daughter being hooked up with him and Ahud Barak visiting his house every day of the week.

• 12:12Danny Jones?

  Likely being his handler. Here's the thing. If Jeffrey Epstein was an access agent to the Mossad and he was gathering intelligence and keeping blackmail on all these powerful people around the world, right? If Donald Trump, if people like Donald Trump and Bill Clinton are on those hard drives that were connected to all the cameras that were in every single one of his houses all around the world,

• 12:36Danny Jones?

  they're not gonna let anyone else have that. That's a nuclear bomb. If you let anyone else get their hands on that blackmail, the risk of someone else using it before you can completely ruins the value of it, right? If you let somebody else get their hands on that blackmail, just say, for example, just hypothetically, if there's footage of Trump and an underage girl, right?

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:00Danny Jones?

  And you let anyone else see it, anyone else can use that, rendering it useless for you. So now you've spent all this time with Jeffrey Epstein, all this time, all this money on this guy, right? You've had so much investment in Jeffrey Epstein to do all this work and get all this blackmail and all these powerful people around the world. You can't let anyone else get their hands on that ever. There has to be a hard drive.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  It was on Pam Bondi's desk?

• 13:23Danny Jones?

  It's on a hard drive. No, it was never. I don't think it was ever. I think it's on a hard drive sitting in Tel Aviv right now. I don't think Pam Bondi or any of those people have ever seen any of that shit.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Why do you think Cash Patel did a 180? He went from, we're gonna, I'm gonna shut down the FBI and make it a shrine to the deep state to, you know, being basically this, you know, a cow, a cow.

• 13:43Danny Jones?

  It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, he sat on, he sat right in front of Rogan on his podcast saying, there's nothing, as soon as I see it, you'll see it, like.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:51Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Well, I thought it was, there's a lot of suspicious stuff going on there.

• 13:55Danny Jones?

  She said it was child porn. They said, she said that she had like tons of, no, no, I'm sorry. She didn't even say it was child, did she say it was child? She just said she found.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  It was all, it was all, all videos of Jeffrey Epstein himself with, with these people. There was no clients, no other people.

• 14:10Danny Jones?

  He was a lone trafficker.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Trafficking to no one. And that's why Ghislaine, Ghislaine's in prison now. And yeah, this is all, this is all bullshit. And, um, and the fact that Howard Lutnick, the guy who, the CEO who's, who suffered the biggest losses on nine 11, CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald, his company lost 658 employees that day. He lost his brother, Gary Lutnick that day.

• 14:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  And, uh, and he, he said he cried for three years after that and he, and couldn't get himself back together. And, and, and, you know, I felt really bad for the guy. I didn't consider him, you know, on my list of, of suspicious people because of all that. But the fact that he's on, you know, with Trump defending this, the release of these Epstein files, when he bought the house next door to Epstein, lived in that house next door to Epstein on 11, and it's, it's interesting, nine and 11.

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• 16:43Speaker 02

  71st Street in New York City, where the addresses that Jeffrey Epstein owned.

• 16:47Danny Jones?

  You can't be connecting those dots.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  But, no, no, well, there's some weird dots here. There's some weird dots here because...

• 16:52Danny Jones?

  You're saying because it was 971st Street and 71st Street is 9/11?

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a crap connection, but some people have made that connection, but...

• 17:00Danny Jones?

  I'm sure they have.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  But how about this? How about, yeah, because it's only odd numbers on that side of the street, so it's just 9, the house next door.

• 17:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  So it's, maybe it's coincidence, right? It's, it seems like one of those things, right? But here's the interesting thing is that Howard Lutnick... You know, if you're gonna commit a massive crime and a financial crime, the best thing you could possibly do is to disguise yourself as a victim. And to portray yourself as a victim. So I'm saying, there's a lot of weird CEOs that missed work that day. Not just Howard Lutnick.

• 17:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  You know, Larry Silverstein.

• 17:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  And then you ask Grok these questions, like you ask the AIs these questions, you would say, which CEOs missed work on 9/11? They'll tell you Larry Silverstein and Howard Lutnick, but they won't tell you any of the other ones. And they'll, you know, you ask it questions and it won't tell you the answers. It's kind of like the same thing as if you ask, does vaccines cause autism?

• 17:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  It will give you these, you know, responses that are, you know, according to the books, these authorities and there's no, but if you ask it specific questions tailored to certain things and certain studies and you know the information or you know the people, suddenly you get real answers from the AI, which is, means somebody's programming these AIs to hide certain information from them.

• 18:17Danny Jones?

  Of course they are.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  You know, and, and I thought that was really weird because I'm asking it questions about, you know, well, was Gary, Gary Lutnick ever connected to Jeffrey Epstein? And it said, oh, he couldn't possibly have had any connections to Gary, Jeffrey Epstein, because Howard Lutnick brought the property from Jeffrey Epstein after his brother died. And I said, no, he didn't. He bought the property in 1998. His brother died in 2001.

• 18:41Danny Jones?

  How did you find that out?

• 18:43Speaker 02

  And how did I find that out?

• 18:44Danny Jones?

  That he bought it from him in 1998?

• 18:46Speaker 02

  It's, it's, you ask Grok, if you ask Grok when he bought it from it, it will tell you 1998.

• 18:51Danny Jones?

  So it tells you the truth?

• 18:51Speaker 02

  And then, then, then when you requery it and you tell it, it'll say, oh, I corrected myself, you know? But for some reason, it's trying to like, separate these people and these entities, which is, is really strange. And it won't tell you other CEOs that missed work in the towers that day. Like Paul Bremer of Marshawn McLennan, or Jeffrey Greenberg of Marshawn McLennan, or.

• 19:13Danny Jones?

  Well, here's the thing, it's, Google, have you heard of this guy named Robert Epstein? He does.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Robert Epstein?

• 19:20Danny Jones?

  Robert Epstein, Epstein Epstein, he calls himself Epstein. But uh, he, he does all this stuff where he like points out all of the bias with Google and how, how Google's curated for certain things and how he basically pointed out largely how Google suppressed and amplified certain stories like during the late, the last few elections. Right? Like if you were to Google anything about, if you were to try to get a positive story about Trump, you couldn't find anything on Google.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:48Danny Jones?

  But if you tried to find it, and if you try to find a negative story about Kamala, it would only get positive stories when you looked for it.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:54Danny Jones?

  And this guy found it out and he, he, um, he installed, um, like software on, he, he started a trial where he got hundreds of people to be, to agree to be involved in this trial, where he basically was monitoring their search engine and, and they were all searching stuff. And he was trying to gather data on what kind of results they were getting on certain searches. And obviously it's different for everybody because everyone's got a different algorithm. But by and large, he found, and he, he measured this all and broke it all down, that like the bias towards the left-wing news was far greater than towards the right-hand stuff during, especially relating up to the elections. And you know, this is, I'm sure it's not just in like elections and stuff like this.

• 20:38Danny Jones?

  It's just throughout politics and with everything and you, they bury stuff on Google. Like we know that, that Google creates stuff. You, you know by, just being on YouTube, you see shit shadow banned all the time. So if these things, if these LLMs are running their queries on Google, you're flawed from the get-go.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, it's, it's also, um, it's also crazy, the, the amount of programming, um, stuff that comes up in the whole history of Jeffrey Epstein too, as I was talking about with the Insla affair and the Promise software. Robert Maxwell, um, was part of the team that stole the Promise software from the developers who made it.

• 21:15Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 21:15Speaker 02

  And they, um, he, he sold the backdoor cop. Yeah. Well, the guy who stole it was Ben Ohr, who was later, um, identified as this, uh, top Israel spy, Rafi, um, Itan or something. And, um,

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Then Jeffrey, uh, Robert Maxwell took, sold a, um, a hacked version of the promised software to Los Alamos Labs and Sandia Labs. And they had to put a backdoor inside the software so that they could get into the, the labs and stuff.

• 21:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  And that's how basically Israel stole all our nuclear secrets.

• 21:46Danny Jones?

  Uh, I thought we started selling promised to a whole bunch of other countries and we put a backdoor into it so we could get into the, those countries.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  They did too, yes. This was all like, it was all spy work that they did with this stuff. And then they had, I, I heard about other, um, software, this, uh, Silverstream company, a guy named Richard Andrew Grove was working for them. And they were developing this financial, new financial trading platform that, um, a bunch of Fortune 500 companies in the World Trade Center had just started using before nine 11. And he had found a backdoor in the software and reported it to his superiors. They told him, don't worry about it. Oh, it's nothing, you know, it's not, no big deal. And he kept drawing, uh, bringing it up and bringing it up. And they finally said, you know what, we want you to take all your evidence of this and, and, and stuff, and we want you to come and, and bring it to a meeting on the 98th floor of the World Trade Center, um, on Tuesday, uh, September 11th, 2001.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  And he was actually late going to the meeting and went, saw the planes hit the towers and, and didn't go, didn't go into the meeting. Um, and, but they had basically told him to take all his evidence for this backdoor in the software and bring it to the, the 98th floor of the World Trade Center where someone knew the plane was gonna hit. So there's some weird, nine 11 is the weirdest day in American history. When you look at Howard Lutnick's behavior, that he's living in this house next door to Jeffrey Epstein, he, his working in Cantor Fitzgerald, most of, most of the people that, that died, um, the financial, he lost, suffered the biggest financial losses in the World Trade Center on nine 11, again.

• 23:14Danny Jones?

  If we ask Grok right now, if, uh, Howard Lutnick, about Howard Lutnick's house next door to Jeffrey Epstein, will, will it tell us about it?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Well, this is a weird thing, right? Cause I've gone through this in my head because obviously Jeffrey Epstein of all of his houses had hidden cameras and microphones, like all throughout them, right? So if he's selling the house next door to Howard Lutnick, what's the chances that thing's not wired up to, to record him and, and, and spy on him?

• 23:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  It's, it's kind of, it just makes, it makes, you know, it's less than zero, right? So obviously. Howard Lutnick buys his house in 98, lives there for two, three years until 9/11. What, what did they collect on Howard Lutnick? Did they blackmail him? Why is, and then why would he protect these people if, if he was blackmailed or, or, or, you know? I don't get the whole dynamics here and it just makes me very suspicious of him involved in, in something much deeper because of all the other CEOs that misworked that day. I was, I was getting into the whole list and I wanna, I wanna name them all and talk about who these people are and their connections. There's a lot of interesting stuff when you dig into.

• 24:18Danny Jones?

  Look at this, yes, Howard Lutnick was neighbors with Jeffrey Epstein in Manhattan. Lutnick purchased a townhouse at 11 East 71st Street in 1998, which was adjacent to Epstein's property at 9 East 71st Street, 1998. Fuck. Known as the Herbert and Strauss.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:36Danny Jones?

  House. Real estate records indicate that Epstein had significant ties to the property Lutnick acquired, including being listed as a trustee in transactions involving the property between Lutnick's purchase. Wow, bro.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  And now, Lutnick's the head of the Commerce Department for the Bush, the Trump administration. Sorry. But the, but um, it's interesting that the Commerce Department also helped to cover up 9/11 after the fact because the Commerce Department owns the National Institute of Standards and Technology, NIST, which wrote all the reports saying, you know, the fire, the fires brought the buildings down and that it couldn't possibly have been pre-planted explosives or demolition devices or anything like that. Which numerous physicists and engineers have, you know, there's architects and engineers, 9/11 truth. There's a whole ton of people that have examined these buildings. There was a, there was a million dollar study by the University of Alaska Fairbanks that published a, you know, a comprehensive 147-page study

• 25:35Speaker 02

  and analyzing the collapse of just World Trade Center Building 7, which is that third tower that nobody on the mainstream media will talk about and we only know about because of alternative news media and everything. And all these people are, are super connected. That's the Solomon Brothers Building. Solomon Brothers is Solomon Smith Barney, which went through that whole big merger and became Citicorp, Citigroup. So, uh, basically, um,

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Citicorp, that whole thing, that was the major tenant inside that building and who worked for

• 26:07Danny Jones?

  Citigroup?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Who worked for Solomon Smith Barney, yeah, Solomon Smith Barney merged into Citigroup in a very large merger, but who worked for Solomon Smith Barney in World Trade Center Building 7, but none other than Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. You can look up Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld's resume, they both sat on the Foreign Policy Advisory Board for Solomon Smith Barney Bank, which was in World Trade Center 7, it was their largest tenant, and they quit right before joining the Bush administration. And then who's running security in the buildings? Well, the security, of course, was run by the Port Authority of New York, New Jersey, and a guy named Alan Reese, who's got some interesting connections himself, but the security systems themselves were designed, and the electronics and all the badging

• 26:51Speaker 02

  and all that stuff, all the camera systems and all the badging, all the electronic stuff, was designed and installed by a company called Securecom StrataSec, which was actually a subsidiary of a company called Kuwaiti American Corporation. And these guys, George H.W. Bush's, I mean, George Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, sat on the Board of Directors for that company, which ran security at the Trade Centers. And then the CEO and COO of that company are guys named Wirt Dexter Walker III, he's now a private equity banker in Reston, Virginia, right next to the CIA headquarters. And the Vice President of that security company in the World Trade Center now works

• 27:34Speaker 02

  for SAIC, he's a Vice President at SAIC, Lidos Corporation, which makes all of the airport scanners in our airports that I had to go through, you know, you have to go through those big people scanners and get your genitals taken.

• 27:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't go through those, I go through the old school ones. I don't go through the fucking cancer tubes.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  It's all terahertz radiation, short wave radiation that can look through your clothes and stuff, and all that technology was developed by SAIC contractors in the 80s and 90s, and they were dying to find a way to market on it, and then now they have a way to make billions off it because every airport's required to have these scanners now post 9/11. So you look into the people involved in the World Trade Center and how greatly they benefited. They, they all made tons of money. Larry Silverstein took out these massive insurance policies. Good friends of Howard Lutnick, by the way.

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• 29:49Speaker 02

  He took out these massive insurance policies, insured the building specifically against terrorist attacks. Then 9/11 happens, just a couple months later.

• 29:56Danny Jones?

  How far, how long before 9/11 did he take out those policies?

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Just a few months. A few months. Literally like four, five, four months before.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  And they specifically targeted against terrorist attacks.

• 30:09Danny Jones?

  And also, another thing is, sorry, I don't want to, I don't mean to derail you, but the all of the stocks that were sold on American Airlines, literally a week before 9/11.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Right, a bunch of put options.

• 30:23Danny Jones?

  Put options by American politicians, right?

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were connected to the A.B. Brown, I think it was, the stock for the firm, A.B. Brown was the firm, and they're connected with Buzzy Cronguard.

• 30:39Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, Buzzy Cronguard, he is everywhere. Every conspiracy has him at the friggin' footnotes.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also, Wirt Dexter Walker III, the investment banker I said that, you know, has, the only thing he does in his life is run CIA front companies. Glor Forgan, you look in his whole history, it's literally, he's just a managing guy, he's a business plant guy for CIA front companies, and he runs a company called Iger Hawk Private Investments in Reston, Virginia right now. And, yeah, these guys were never investigated, have never been interviewed, in fact, there's no pictures of Wirt Walker anywhere on the internet, and he's a cousin of, and you know what, the Walker family, he's actually a cousin of the

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Bush family. George H.W. Bush spoke at Lafayette College the year he graduated, which I think was 79, I'm not sure, but, yeah, it's, it's, it's a pretty small family, it's just, the Bush, a lot of the Bush family, a lot of the Bush clan keep coming up in these conspiracies too, it seems. There's a lot of connections to them. His whole family, the Walker line, comes from this guy, you know, George Herbert Walker, and all that side of his family, right? So, these guys came from a Russeling company, a guy named Walter, not Walter Russell, but...

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Russell and Company was basically, they were the, the guys that started the opium war. They were, they were smuggling all the opium in, and they, they were like the biggest opium and heroin smugglers in the United States back in, back in the day. So these guys are, are drug dealers, like, and that's not in, not outside the scope of, you know, nine 11, when we went into, you know, Afghanistan and reclaimed all those poppy fields. The, the Taliban had slashed and burned all the poppy fields and, and brought the production to, um, the lowest levels ever. And we went over there and invaded and it went right back up. And all that, all that drug money is untraceable funds. It's, it's illegal, illegal funds. So it's, it's real good money for the, the CIA to be able to fund all these black programs and projects with because it's untraceable.

• 32:52Danny Jones?

  Which is like the similar to what we did with Iran-Contra, except it was with weapons, illegally selling them through Israel to Iran and then taking that money to fund, fund the Contras.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Right, right. And the whole Iran thing that was just a, a thing to get Carter out to, so, so that Carter wouldn't win the election.

• 33:09Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah. Explain that. The October surprise. Can you explain that?

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they had these hostages in Iran and, uh, they were going to release them during Carter's administration, but we purposely stepped in and sent these arms deal and did this whole backdoor deal so that they, they wouldn't release the hostages until after the election. Because if, if Carter had released them, it would have boosted his approval rating. Right, so.

• 33:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the, the, uh, the Epstein stuff, like, like every, all of this stuff is connected in a weird way. It's like, it's like The Octopus. I don't know if you've seen that documentary, The Octopus Murder with Danny Casalero? And he's like uncovering this stuff through the promise software. And basically it's like, it all connects to Epstein. And Epstein was likely just a cog in this giant wheel of criminal underworld espionage and organized crime and intelligence.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, but it goes so much deeper because, you know, I was back to, back to my point about, you know, Larry Silverstein in the World Trade Center, he brings, he takes out this insurance policy. Well, who wrote the insurance policy for that, you know? It was a company called AIG, which has a huge history with the CIA. They, they basically were the CIA's main guys in, in China, because the insurance people in China have all the good intelligence. Because if you have infrastructure, you have anything worth money, you have to insure it. If it's, you know, if it's, and so if anything worth anything is insured, the insurance companies have, you know, the goods on a lot of, a lot of stuff. So of course, they were the number one choice for the intelligence agencies to, you know, they

• 34:45Speaker 02

  knew which factories to bomb, they knew which, you know, they knew, they knew everywhere, they knew everywhere to bomb during, if they, with the intelligence that they would get through insurance policies. So a guy named Cornelius Vanderstark, you can look, look him up, he's the guy that founded AIG, and he, he was definitely CIA. Cornelius, what? Cornelius Vanderstark. Vanderstark. Yep. And, but AIG is, was run on 9/11 by a guy named Maurice Greenberg. And Maurice Greenberg's son, Jeffrey Greenberg, was the CEO of Marshmacklenon, which was right in the impact zone of the, the, the South Tower, I believe. North Tower was Cantor Fitzgerald,

• 35:29Speaker 02

  right? So L. Paul Bremer is also working for Marshmacklenon. He's also, L. Paul Bremer is also the head of this National Commission on Terrorism at Harvard. And he's basically this guy that's writing a lot of the, the literature and the scope on, on terrorism. This, you know, warning people that, you know, this threat of terrorism is going to be the new thing. Once, you know, it's basically the Cold War was, you know, the, the idea of the communists and the Cold War was, you know, running out of its, out of time. And they needed a new, they needed a new threat. Yeah, they needed a new threat. After the Soviet Union, a lot of these guys were hired to, you know, what do we, how do we get money now? And what, what kind of threats can we, you know, come up with and, and create around the world to generate more wars for profit for our, you know, businesses

• 36:13Speaker 02

  and stuff like that. And two of the guys they, they hired for that were a guy named Brian Michael Jenkins and L. Paul Bremer. And Brian Michael Jenkins ends up working with Kroll Associates to design the whole World Trade Center security system.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Alongside, you know, these other guys. When you really dig into all these companies and you're like, wow, who was head of Crawl Associates? Well, this guy Jerome Howar, who becomes the director of the National Institute for Health in time for the anthrax attacks, which targeted all these senators that were asking questions about 9/11 and demanding an official investigation. They all got sent to anthrax and then...

• 36:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, can you explain that too? Break that down a little bit so people can understand that because that's really interesting.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  If they want a real solid thorough breakdown, look up a documentary called "American Anthrax" by Robbie Martin, who's Abby Martin's brother.

• 37:09Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did a documentary on it with Roots Media.

• 37:13Danny Jones?

  There was a small number of actual sitting senators that were questioning 9/11.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tom Daschle.

• 37:21Danny Jones?

  It was only those guys who got anthrax sent to them.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:25Danny Jones?

  And they later found out that the anthrax was created by the FBI or sent from like an FBI.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  A US bioweapons lab and it was basically these... It was an inside job to get people to not investigate 9/11 and not open inquiries before they could destroy enough of the evidence.

• 37:41Danny Jones?

  What was Abby Martin's brother's name?

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Robbie Martin.

• 37:43Danny Jones?

  Robbie Martin.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've interviewed him before a while back, but it's been a while. You should definitely try to get him on the show and talk about more about that because he goes into real... He knows all the details. It was like Sean Hatfield was blamed and it was... Stephen Hatfield was the guy that was like blamed, but it was really some other guy or something. I don't know all the details, but it's been a while. It's been a while, so... But back to the people who worked in the World Trade Center, all the CEOs that missed work or all the companies that like moved around there because there was this whole Zim shipping company that was in the World Trade Center and they moved out of the World Trade Center just before then. And then you have in the Pentagon even, this corporation called AMEC Corporation, which

• 38:28Speaker 02

  was, you know, this guy Peter Jansen, who owned AMEC, was good friends with Donald Rumsfeld. They had a $258 million contract to refurbish the entire west wing of the Pentagon right before 9/11. The months before 9/11, they were moving offices all out of that wing, moving people all around. And it was lucky for us that the terrorists hit that wing that was just being remodeled, because there was a lot of construction going on there, so not a lot of people were in their offices. Only like 212 people died at the Pentagon in the attack. When normally that office, that large of a section of the Pentagon, it would have been like thousands of people normally in that area.

• 39:12Danny Jones?

  Also, people claim it was a missile. People don't think it was an actual jet. The footage is weird. And the FBI confiscated the footage, right?

• 39:20Speaker 02

  But there's pictures of Donald Rumsfeld picking up pieces of what is clearly an American Airlines jet and getting pieces off the lawn, which is, you know, I don't agree with all the theories. Again, we're separating conspiracy theory from fact, because there's been too much theories that have gotten in the way of all this.

• 39:37Danny Jones?

  So all the stuff that you're talking about is not speculation?

• 39:40Speaker 02

  No, it's not speculation. This is all you can verify. Look this stuff up. It's all factual.

• 39:45Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  It's like, basically, a crime scene proximity investigation is saying, this should be treated as a crime scene. Who was close by? Who was involved? And who's got the closest proximity to this crime scene? And one of the people with the closest proximity to that crime scene was Howard Lutnick, who's now covering up the Epstein files right next to Trump. And it just makes me feel like the Epstein files have to connect to 9/11, or something. You know, you say that these people sleeping with underage girls, and that's gonna be... I don't think that that is inflammatory enough, Danny. I think that they can release all that. They can release all that. And people aren't gonna be like, if they release, if we come out and it shows that Jeffrey Epstein worked with this network

• 40:29Speaker 02

  to compromise CEOs in the World Trade Center and set them up to be part of a 9/11 conspiracy? Then, you know, people are like, oh, the government, you know, they'll never trust the government again, ever, if they... The 9/11, 9/11 is so much bigger than this Jeffrey Epstein case. It is so...

• 40:50Danny Jones?

  Files.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yes. This is mass murder.

• 40:55Danny Jones?

  I mean, thousands of people dying. I mean, it's hard. It's hard to play the game of what's what's worse with those two things because they're both insanely evil things. But people that have it's a difference because you have like with the nine 11 stuff you have like you're going down like everyone goes down with the ship at once.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:17Danny Jones?

  With the Epstein stuff, specific people can go down by themselves like Donald Trump or Bill Clinton or whoever else is on there, right? And people like Donald Trump are gonna do anything they can and use every last penny at their disposal to try to escape it and try to get out from under it.

• 41:39Danny Jones?

  So

• 41:39Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, anyone who's stuck in in that sort of a position.

• 41:43Danny Jones?

  I think both of them would cause a revolution in the country. I think I think I think if the if we found out that that all these people that are running the government, all the, you know, a handful of ex presidents and people in intelligence or CEOs. I don't think CEOs would do it, but I think like if Trump and Clinton and a lot of people came out and it was proven that they were and that they were doing this kind of shit, I think that could potentially cause an uprising. And I think 100% if it came out unequivocally hard evidence that nine 11 was an inside job, the same thing would happen.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Right. That's why why it's so incendiary that they they don't allow you to even talk about it.

• 42:27Danny Jones?

  What was the quote? Who said, I think Mark Epstein said this on a multiple interviews. He said that when he was talking to Jeffrey Epstein, leading up to the 2016 election between Hillary and Trump, he said that his brother Jeffrey Epstein told him if they knew what he knew, they would cancel the whole election.

• 42:47Speaker 02

  You know, and it's crazy because that election. It's like Jeffrey Epstein got arrested and and all that stuff came out in 2019. And it's almost like the people involved, like Bill Gates, who are on that list and was meeting with Jeffrey Epstein, even after he was arrested and convicted, still going into his house and still meeting with them and stuff. Many, many times is, you know. It's so crazy that they literally shut the world down with COVID. They they released a bioweapon on the and and shut the entire, you know, locked everybody down. And it was right when the Epstein stuff was coming out and and.

• 43:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, do you then this is something that I've been thinking about. Do you think it's possible that with all the COVID passport stuff, all this, all this new stuff that's going on with Doge and Real ID and the genius act passing with the stable coins. It seems like there's all these little elements of control of the population that are coming together. And then Palantir coming in and trying to consolidate all this information on everybody. If you were the government and you knew that some of these secrets could potentially come out in the in the near future.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:01Danny Jones?

  Whether it be Epstein, nine 11, or even like UFO disclosure, right? That they know that UFOs are real aliens are here controlling the world. The the the real possibility of like an uprising in the country happening if that kind of stuff comes out is. I think it's a high degree of probability that that could happen. So before that, why not lock down total control on the population first?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, well, they they know that they know it's coming. I mean, with the internet and the the the they they've really tried to crack down with the algorithm to prevent the spread of information. I've noticed the algorithmic shadow shadow banning. I've noticed the the prevalence of these bots, the these bot armies. It seems to be a lot of these influencer bots and stuff. And they're around certain subjects and stuff. And then it's it's they've really tried to corral people away from this information and take the people spreading it and really silence us. I've been, you know, talking about this stuff for 20 years now. And I feel like now finally that people are interested in the Epstein files. Maybe we can get them to look into nine 11.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  A couple of people have, you know, started asking, you know, a lot of questions about a lot of stuff after COVID. And and I think that's a that's a great thing. We're we're starting to wake up, but they've just. Dumped, they doubled down on the disinformation, pumping up the disinformation. And then also the creation of these limited hangout operations, you know, like, like the whole, the whole thing you had that you were just on Joe Rogan, man, talking about Bob Lazar and, and, and that whole thing. And that was our, that was what we talked about the entire last time I came on your podcast was Lazar and all that. Right. And I really feel like they, they locked down the conversation on that stuff too, because they came out with that, that group, TTSA came out. It was all these CIA guys with all the CIA background. They're like, we're going to build you a spaceship, invest in our company.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Give us money and Tom DeLonge, you know, uh, the Blink 182 guy there saying, you know, being the ringleader, getting everyone to invest all this money into his company and, um, promising them a spaceship and, and they've delivered. Wait, what do you mean promising them a spaceship? He promised a spaceship. He had showed it in the very first thing in TTSA when they, when they launched, they said, you know, we have this technology. You can invest in this company. You'll be part of the, you know, the, the, uh, team that's going to bring us to the stars with this technology. They, they promised to basically take all the classified UFO technology and release it. And, uh, they raised tons of money. Yeah, they raised millions and they instead gave us an entertainment company.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Um, and he made a bunch of books he, and, and including, yeah, it's, and I think now they're selling. I don't know what they're doing now, but you can go to TTSA and see that mostly T-shirts and stuff now. But their big guy was Lou Elizondo and then Lou Elizondo branched off of that. And he came out, they promoted him as like, this is the, the, this was the guy. He ran the gov, the Pentagon's UFO program, you know? And you look into Elizondo's background and it's like, this guy didn't run the program, bro. This guy was a torture czar Guantanamo Bay. For Christ's sake, he ran the RDI program. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed accused the guy of being, being the person responsible for torturing his son in front of him.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  He, he basically electrocuted Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's son's testicles in front of him until he admitted to doing nine 11. Really? That's what they did. Elizondo? Elizondo himself.

• 47:30Danny Jones?

  This came out in like an interview or something with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

• 47:32Speaker 02

  It's in, it's in all the notes, it's in his files, there's all these guys, all these people that they accused of 9/11.

• 47:38Danny Jones?

  And he denies all this?

• 47:40Speaker 02

  And all the people that, I don't know if he denies, I don't, he's never really been asked about it. But you go and look into it, he ran the RDI program, he's named by a bunch of these guys as being the person, the person responsible for doing this and torturing. So he basically helped the CIA cover up 9/11 by torturing the people that supposedly did it. You know, basically, if someone tortured your son in front of you like that, you'd probably admit to do anything. You know, I'd get, I'd say anything they wanted to get them to stop.

• 48:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  It just, and so that's the background Elizondo has, and he's a counterintelligence guy. Why would he be head of the UFO program at the Pentagon?

• 48:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't understand that. I don't understand any of that stuff.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  No, and he wasn't, it was all a front to basically co-opt and take control of the narrative.

• 48:27Danny Jones?

  And why is he also a part of all these UFO online Twitter groups?

• 48:31Speaker 02

  And, and like, creating fake accounts and stuff? He's paying off, there's a bunch of fake accounts and they're paying off other influencers to go after the people that call Elizondo out.

• 48:42Danny Jones?

  And, and, you know, there was this whole thing, like, people are starting to question him and stuff and getting called out.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  And there was this, you know, you could talk to Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra on X, all about it. They hold spaces about it and they have tons of stuff saved. They had, they created this whole archive of all the harassment that was taking place. Where they, they basically created a limited hangout operation and said that this is, this is ufology and anyone outside of this is, is not someone you should listen to and or pay attention to. And they shut out all the outside groups and stuff. And then you look at, who was Elizondo's good friend, who was meeting with him and buddy buddy with him all this time? Well, Jeremy Corbell, the guy that went on Joe Rogan's podcast like six times and told Joe Rogan not to have me on and not to talk to me.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Like he told all, he, I, because I have emails from Jeremy Corbell to lots of other people, other people that I, I've tried to interview in connection to the Bob Lazar case, that he's written emails to physically telling them. them not to talk to me, not to, into ghost me. Really? Yes, I do. He, I, I have them. They're from his, they're authentic. They're from his email address and they are real. And in he- And he copied you on them? No, the people who he sent them to, sent them to me.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  They forwarded them to you? So that I could see what he was, and know what he was up to. And, and- Why do you think he did that? Because I, I, I'm, I'm ruining his grift. His grift is this Bob Lazar thing and he, he's got all this popularity and, and fame in the UFO field right now, and he's doing better than he ever did with- You think it's just ego? Jeremy Corbell was selling quantum jujitsu videos in California and he was sprinkling blood on pictures of Sharon Tate and selling it as art, okay? He had an art studio in California where he literally just sprinkled blood on pictures of Sharon Tate and sold it as art. This is, he was trying to make, figure out a niche and make a living somewhere. And then he found UFOs and he was like jackpot. Yeah, this guy is a nobody. He, he's a-

• 50:35Speaker 02

  The quantum jujitsu stuff is funny. I saw the videos of that. I don't know about- He's not, like, it is funny because, you know, they have him on TMZ and, and they brought in these fake podcasters who I've never heard of. This, this girl Kelly Chase of the Rabbit Hole UFO Podcast is on TMZ being like, Jeremy Corbell's been into UFOs for a really long time and he, no he hasn't. Is this the girl that just called me a CIA person? And that's the girl that called, just recently, yeah, she just recently said, you're like a, a, a useful idiot. Well, that's probably true, honestly. Intelligence asset. Well, hey- It could be. I'm sure I've had a lot of people on here. I'm sure, I'm sure I've been a useful idiot at one point or another too. I, I don't get everything right all the time and I know for a fact that intelligence agency have like, tried to infiltrate my work and my show and, and my groups, everything we've done.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Um, so that, because we, we, we run the old propulsion conference. We, we, uh, we got all the scientists together who actually worked on this stuff and interviewed them and, and brought these groups together and stuff. So, so we've, we've done a lot of- And you actually had the FBI raid you, right? We had the FBI come to our lab at, at Falcon Space down in New Jersey. Yeah, Mark's lab got raided. What happened with all of that? What was the, how did that happen? Um, I believe it was due to a, a guy who was working with us at the time, who would be brought into the group. I'm not going to say his name or anything.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  He's a weird character. Um, apparently he went back to New Mexico and-

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Went out with these, this Indian tribe and told them of all about the UFO disclosure and stuff and they, they, they said he's part of some sacred, he's with the Hopi Indian tribe down in, in New Mexico now and they think he's like some kind of savior according to their prophecy. And, and he's like, he's like the big, big shot in their tribe right now. It's, it's kinda, it's kinda because of the UFO disclosure stuff.

• 52:22Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  But he was in our lab and we had, I, I, I don't know. I think he might've like heard some information wrong about something and reported, but they were looking, they, according to the FBI, they were at our lab looking for a report of, of that we were building weapons grade uranium. And, and they went, they went around with a Geiger counter to see if we had, you know, hot.

• 52:45Danny Jones?

  So you think you got like swatted or something?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, almost, almost. Uh, it was really, really strange. I, I was.

• 52:52Danny Jones?

  That's pretty crazy.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  But.

• 52:54Danny Jones?

  The FBI showing up.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:56Danny Jones?

  To look for weapons grade uranium. I mean.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, at our anti-gravity lab that we're, we're trying to replicate all these old, you know, we tried to replicate the Boeing Alzaphon study on anti-gravity from 1981 or trying to replicate, uh, the Bifeld Brown stuff.

• 53:13Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Which Jeffrey Epstein was super interested in, by the way. You know, Jeffrey Epstein was super interested in gravity.

• 53:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  You know?

• 53:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, because he had a lot of those people on his island. Lawrence Krauss, um, Stephen Hawking, a bunch of guys on there, over there. And I, you know,

• 53:32Danny Jones?

  explain, so, so what, what do you think was happening with, why was he so interested in these, in these physicists and these people that were, you know, high up at these academic institutions? And he was also a part of like the mathematics program. He was contributing to it, the mathematics program at Harvard, right?

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yep.

• 53:49Danny Jones?

  The one that Eric Weinstein was at.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  So you don't forget that Robert Maxwell, okay? Jeffrey Epstein's mentor and, and basically the guy that, you know, he's working for Ghislaine and Ghislaine's just working for her father's, you know, network and doing what her father did. Her father owned Pergamon Press, so he basically.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Created all the journals in science and basically built science around this whole process called peer review. Yes. And really amped up the peer review in the process of it. But what he did in that is he created all these journals in this peer review process, which has to go through these journals. So basically you've created a conduit now through which you can control what gets published in science and what gets out there and what doesn't. And

• 54:39Speaker 00

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• 55:40Speaker 02

  That's a great trap for an intelligence community because you know, you need to make sure that disruptive science and technologies get into your hands first and not someone else's, right? So it's no surprise that these kinds of people, the intelligence agents, were on to that, that sort of thing, you know, and using Jeffrey Epstein and his network to, because you know, hey, scientists are humans too. Even Stephen Hawking in his wheelchair apparently had girls sit on his face or something. So.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  You know, we all get horny, bro, right? If you ain't horny, you ain't, uh, what is it, healthy? He raped me, I sat on his face for five minutes. It's your, yeah, your commercials. Anyways, uh, yeah, so here's the idea. They're compromisable and then once you got them in your pocket, you can control the science through those and then, but the interesting thing is how they've, they've, uh, propped up these people in, in the mainstream too is like, cause Lawrence Krauss comes out and he has this public debate in, in the, uh, in the academic field. They wanted, oh, let's, let's have Lawrence Krauss, you know, take the UFO subject seriously and have a real, serious conversation about it with one of the experts. So who do they bring in? They bring in Nick Pope. That guy was like head of MOD, he was, he was a desk jockey.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  He, he's a file guy, you know? He's not a scientist. What business does he have going on in debating Lawrence Krauss about science and UFO science? I just- What did they talk about? And it was, it was bad. It was just bad. They didn't talk about anything relevant. It was, it was just basically the same, it was like very basic tropes and then the scientist comes in and all of this is so stupid and, and wrong and let me explain why and, you know? It's kinda like, it was kinda like an alley-oop for, for the mainstream science to, to, you know, throw UFOs in the, in the, the trash bin. The same kinda thing that they did, you know, with JL and Heineck during Project Blue Book, right? It's, it's a rinse and repeat of Project Blue Book, essentially what they're trying

• 57:39Speaker 02

  to do now with the cover-up of the UFO stuff, right? The same kind of, the same kinda, um, stat, tactics and strategies that were used in the intelligence world back then, right? So what they did is they created Project Blue Book, but in reality, they had Project Stork, which had access to the metals and, and all the, the real stuff. But then the, the public facing version was this version that they could say, oh, we're, we're taking this seriously and we're looking at all the available unclassified evidence, right? And, um, there's nothing there and there's our conclusions and, you know, this is all just nonsense and you guys, uh, need to learn more astronomy and need to learn more about Neptune and Mars and, uh, you need to learn more about, uh, the, um-

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Swamp gas reflecting off of the light from Venus, right? So it was, it's basically the same kind of stuff. And then we have Arrow. The, the government creates this organization, right? Gillibrand is this, you know, champion in this government disclosure initiative. We're going to, we're going to dig to the bottom of this. So we're going to create this, um, we're going to create this group called Arrow, which is the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office. So it's basically like a UFO group. They're going to look at videos and analyze videos and talk about videos. And that to the public is what ufology is all about, to the public. This is like the blue book version. It's like, these people have crash recoveries. They have metals, they have debris, they have physical metamaterials.

• 59:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  We've been talking about the metamaterials. I've talked to, I've talked to people who worked at these places that had, were talking about metamaterials and quasi-crystals 25 years ago. Ed Fouchet, one of my good friends who, who got me into all this stuff. Edgar Fouchet was talking about quasi-crystals and metamaterials in 1998. Okay. This was decades before TTSA ever came out and we're talking about metamaterials and, and, and these, these types of things. And now we got an F-47. You know about that new fighter jet that they got? F-47, you never heard of this yet?

• 59:42Danny Jones?

  No. Hey guys, if you're not already subscribed, please hammer the subscribe button below and hit the like button on the video. Back to the show.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  This thing is, this thing has all, it has no movable wing surfaces on the craft. It's all metamaterials. It's all, it's super advanced. The thing can go invisible, it can go hypersonic. Yes, look this thing up, man. This is next generation. This is basically like one, a couple of steps away from UFO.

• 1:00:08Danny Jones?

  Is this already done or are these concepts?

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  This is real. This is, this is declassified. It's out there now.

• 1:00:12Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  And so if this is declassified.

• 1:00:15Danny Jones?

  Click on that article, Steve.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  If this is declassified, we got something better already.

• 1:00:20Danny Jones?

  Oh my God. If this is declassified, we have something 20 years more advanced than this.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:00:24Danny Jones?

  Damn. Zoom in a little bit. Okay, this came out, when did this, when did this drop? Find the date. It should be up, up top.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  It was just this year. Right? April. Yeah.

• 1:00:36Danny Jones?

  April. Okay, zoom, go back down, beginning, zoom in. The US Air Force is firmly of the view that its new F-47, sixth generation stealth fighters are key to how we win in future fights. According to the Services Top General in Charge of Force, uh, Structure Planning.

• 1:00:52Danny Jones?

  Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, give me some good stuff about like how it's made. That 47 oh, one next generation air dominance combat jet competition as a fantastic day for the Air Force. Get me to the, the meta material shit. I want to know how this thing's made and what's it say?

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  I don't know if they're gonna give you too many details, man, cuz it's, it's a lot of stuff.

• 1:01:17Danny Jones?

  It's certainly insanely cool looking. I can do some more searching, it's not in this. All right.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  It's not gonna be on there, but it's, it's super classified and some people think that this is what crashed up. They were testing something that crashed out in Area 51 cuz there's a huge fire that happened out there.

• 1:01:33Danny Jones?

  When?

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Just a couple of days ago, man, huge giant fire. You know, it's also weird is it, it was the same, the same exact day the fire broke out was the same exact day a bunch of these guards from Area 51 went and testified in front of Congress. Which is just bizarre coincidence, right?

• 1:01:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  And, uh, all these guards, like a guy named Fred Dunham, the Fred Dunham story was one we covered back in, in, in the eighties, they had all this, uh, meta materials that they were using on the stealth planes of like the F-117, all that black paint, right? It was a barium, it was a barium titanium paint that was radar absorbent.

• 1:02:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Basically a, a phased array, uh, phased array mirror.

• 1:02:09Danny Jones?

  So I want to go back to the, uh, the peer review Epstein.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:13Danny Jones?

  Gravity interest with, with all the physicists that he was flying down there.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  I'm all over the place.

• 1:02:19Danny Jones?

  Do you think it's possible that, that Epstein knew anything about a, a secret research program, a secret gravity program or anything like this?

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Well, there was gravity programs that were, I mean, the, the secret gravity programs of this, of the fifties, right? Fifty-seven, there was this big meeting with Bryce Doitt and Cecil Doitt. And, um, and Richard Feynman was there, Herman Bondi was there and, uh, and also Weber, the guy who created Weber bars, which is what LIGO is based on, the LIGO Gravity Wave Detectors based on Weber's stuff. And he got all that from the Bondi sticky.

• 1:02:58Danny Jones?

  LIGO is the shit they used to, to find the pyramid shit, right?

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about that, but I think that was GPR or ground penetrating radar or um

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  there's another type, a new type of ground, a different type of ground penetrating radar. It's called surface tomography, right? Uh, but no, that's a little bit different than the LIGO detects, um, has like basically the X and it measures the length of these two lasers in conjunction with each other and can detect very minute gravitational waves. And there's LIGO, there's also a sister facility. There's another one that's the same that that they use to because they have two facilities. They use to supposedly check the the data to make sure both of them are are working properly.

• 1:03:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, I remember LIGO now.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  It's got the sister facility.

• 1:03:48Danny Jones?

  LIGO was the thing that they could figure out how to create earthquakes with, right?

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  No, that's HARP and uh and then there's allegations that there's a bigger version of HARP in the Ice Cube Neutrino Detector because there's literally a HARP that's a one kilometer square in Antarctica right now in the Ice Cube Neutrino Detector. It's it's these wires that are one kilometer long and there's there's a there's a 10, there's a hundred by a hundred of them that all go down into the deep, deep into the ice. They drill cores in the ice and they drop these wires down. Um, and they say it's to detect neutrinos in this large neutrino detector, but um my friend Eric Hecker, who I've interviewed a number of times, he was also he was also one of the three whistleblowers that testified to Arrow that never got heard or never got their um

• 1:04:33Danny Jones?

  That guy seemed a little

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  He seems a little out there and a little crazy sometimes.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  And especially when he, you know, because he gets into some of the other directed energy stuff and a lot of that gets really wacky because then you get into the directed energy theories that, oh, they have these SAIC beam weapons that brought down the towers. Uh, that Judy Wood, uh, she's a not another, uh, not case. Judy, Dr. Dr. Judy Wood.

• 1:04:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  And um, and she's interestingly connected with this whole um, gelatin art group and that was in the World Trade Center. There's some weird connections there, man. Um, to these, these guys that everyone blames and feels like, look, there's this Israeli art students that were working in the World Trade Center. It must have been Israelis that blew up the World Trade Center. Israelis did 9/11. And and there's a whole bunch of people that say that crap.

• 1:05:22Danny Jones?

  There's the dancing Israelis.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Right, in the five dancing Israelis that worked for that urban moving systems and stuff, right? And they have this bizarre conspiracy theory.

• 1:05:30Danny Jones?

  Well, they were Mossad agents.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  They were Mossad agents. Yeah, but they could not have, without the help of SecureCom, Stratosac and all this, they couldn't have gotten the towers rigged. You know, they need, you need the inside.

• 1:05:42Danny Jones?

  No, no, no, I don't, I don't think people think that they, maybe some crazy people think that they actually did it. I think it's impossible that they did it. I think it's possible they knew about it, though.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  They might have known about it. Yeah, they were, obviously, people working in those floors, areas shut off, stuff being moved around. There was, there was a whole fireproofing upgrades that took place on the exact floors that, like, right in the exact impact zones where the planes hit, they upgraded like all the fireproofing. Why do you upgrade fireproofing? Wasn't that place loaded with asbestos? Didn't have like so much asbestos that it was gonna cost billions of dollars to remove it all? And would it have been easier just to knock them down in an accident? Really? And really financially convenient for a few people to do that, if that were to happen, right?

• 1:06:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Alright, back to the anti-gravity stuff.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I know, I'm all over the place here.

• 1:06:30Danny Jones?

  Epstein anti-gravity research physicist that he was talking to and inviting to his island.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the DEW stuff, I wanted to mention one other thing that people think that these, these weapons were used to start fires in Maui and other things. And it's nonsense, and their evidence is literally like, "Oh, well, look at these houses with blue roofs."

• 1:06:50Danny Jones?

  Blue roofs.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  And the blue roofs didn't burn, so that they're immune to the lasers. And I'm like, dude, here's a, here's a laser taking off blue paint, because they have laser, laser strip, paint strippers, you know what I mean? And there's videos you can find of laser paint strippers that can remove blue paint just fine. That's a directed energy weapon, bro. That is, and it doesn't penetrate the steel, it just removes the paint. And again, these are people that don't understand construction or building materials.

• 1:07:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  Because all those blue roofs were metal roofs, okay? Metal roofs are not combustible like asphalt roofs are. So that's why those houses didn't burn down.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  So it's just, it's nonsense, though, like the, the amount of disinformation and miseducation. But again, the SAIC, SAIC did build a lot of directed energy weapons. They've evolved with this whole Excalibur project, right? To, to build the Star Wars Defense Initiative, the, these space lasers that could shoot nukes out of this incoming ICBMs out of the sky, right? But in order to get the power onboard these satellites, there's no power system to, to be able to generate that much power on a satellite.

• 1:07:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  So what they had to do is they have a nuclear device inside the satellite that literally, it's like a bomb inside the satellite and it goes off inside this laser cavity. And, and, and it was, it was able to direct the, um, the energy from the nuclear explosion to create a laser pulse. Cause that's how, the only reason, that's the only way that you can create that much energy up in space with, you know, a power plant that can produce that much power. There, there's real serious issues with the energy.

• 1:08:20Danny Jones?

  And they never figured it out, right?

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  Well, apparently, uh, some people figure it like, like Ashton Forbes, he, he nailed free energy, right? You know, so these free energy people like say that they got, they got free energy and,

• 1:08:31Danny Jones?

  So you, so, so these people speculate, if these people speculate the Star Wars satellites are using free energy to make the lasers?

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Right. That's what they have to say, because that's what they have to say, because they have no other explanation for where the power comes from or how that power is created.

• 1:08:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  So, so there's, there's issues with all that. This, the, uh, but back to the anti-gravity stuff, you got Kip Thorne, right? Kip Thorne was visiting the island.

• 1:08:53Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Kip Thorne, uh, studied under Bryson Cecil Dewitt, who again, was, ran that Chapel Hill secret conference in 57. So, yeah, there are these very top level gravity scientists and gravity physicists, um, having associations with Jeffrey Epstein. Whether those people were engaged in activities that they could later be blackmailed or controlled for, uh, is, is not proven. There's no evidence for that yet. You know, Lawrence Krauss denies it vehemently when, when he's asked about it. But, you know, again, these people are, um, in a position to control science and mainstream,

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  mainstream science and, and mainstream physics and prevent disruptive ideas from coming out into the mainstream and being, you know, taken widely seriously, which, you know.

• 1:09:47Danny Jones?

  Didn't also, uh, Townsend Brown, didn't he basically like make up some sort of lie about his physics? At one point to like hide it from people?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Apparently, yeah, cuz well, he he had. He was forced to, you know, basically say it didn't work when it did.

• 1:10:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  Tell the public that it didn't. Yeah, so there's there's some of that.

• 1:10:12Danny Jones?

  And he worked with Trump, Donald Trump's uncle, I think.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Interesting, yeah, I heard that he's connected to the whole Tesla files.

• 1:10:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Stuff too. Which is interesting, I wonder what Elon's role and SpaceX's role is in all this because.

• 1:10:27Danny Jones?

  He doesn't know anything.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  Apparently, yeah, he doesn't when he's asked about it, but I. And then I've also have a good friend of mine that sat right next to the third in charge at SpaceX on a flight.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  And he he asked him about all this stuff and that guy didn't have a clue either.

• 1:10:43Danny Jones?

  Well, a funny thing about.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  He was actually taking notes, my brother, he was like, what what is all this? I haven't heard any of this secret space.

• 1:10:49Danny Jones?

  I wonder how much clearance, I wonder how high level clearance Elon has into all of this UFO stuff.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  I'm curious, man, cuz I just don't know.

• 1:10:58Danny Jones?

  Isn't his guy that works for him, the the dragon guy, Tim? Isn't he like the one who says claims to have all this knowledge of all these secret programs and all these? These UFO technologies that he's patented and he seems to be like the most mysterious, all-knowing person.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Who is that?

• 1:11:19Danny Jones?

  Tim Taylor, you know who I'm talking about?

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Taylor?

• 1:11:21Danny Jones?

  You know who that is?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know who that is, the guy from.

• 1:11:22Danny Jones?

  He works for Elon, right? He works on all the rocket launches, doesn't he?

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  I'm not sure, I know that he's, you know, the the Rocket City redneck show and then also the.

• 1:11:31Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Skinwalker Ranch, right?

• 1:11:32Danny Jones?

  No, he's not any of that.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Not Tim Taylor, oh, I'm thinking.

• 1:11:36Danny Jones?

  This is the guy that's in Diana Pesulka's book.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, yeah, I'm I'm confusing him with. With the other guy there.

• 1:11:43Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  He's also named Taylor, Dr. Taylor.

• 1:11:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  I I forget his name. If it's

• 1:11:48Danny Jones?

  No, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the guy who is like the dragon. He calls himself the dragon at all the, all the launches at Cape Canaveral. And he's the one who like sits in a room and is supposed to like watch all of the NSA satellites, drones and like make sure this rocket gets into the atmosphere safely. You don't, you don't know about him?

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  I, I've heard of him. I, I just got him confused with the other, um,

• 1:12:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  The other Taylor guy there.

• 1:12:13Danny Jones?

  Chris Bledsoe talked about him a lot. He said, "Visit Chris Bledsoe and told him all kinds of crazy stuff."

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  I've never talked to him, you know, I'd be interested to meet him.

• 1:12:21Danny Jones?

  No one he has, except for

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  He's never coming, like, again, we have the APEC groups, we invite a lot of people in there publicly to talk.

• 1:12:27Danny Jones?

  You're thinking of Travis Taylor.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Travis Taylor.

• 1:12:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, different guy.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's who I confuse him with. You could see why.

• 1:12:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. But no, it's, uh, it's strange that, that Elon would know nothing about this stuff. Nothing about UFOs, nothing about any kind of like anti-gravity secret physics, you know? I mean,

• 1:12:46Speaker 02

  And apparently not interested in either, cause like, he, I

• 1:12:48Danny Jones?

  Right. If he's not interested in it, he's, I mean, he must not be interested in it. Cause if he is, he's doing a great job of lying about it.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Again, he's not the only, Tim Taylor and, and, and they're not the only ones, um, working on this kind of stuff too. There's lots of other scientists that have done a lot of other work, you know, like, Amy Eskridge's father there, Richard Eskridge, and then also, uh, you know, that's the scientist that we knew that killed herself. You know about that? The NASA's girl, the NASA scientist girl that killed herself?

• 1:13:19Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Amy Eskridge?

• 1:13:21Danny Jones?

  I don't know about her.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  You've never heard about her, man?

• 1:13:22Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Well, she had to try to like infiltrate our group. I felt, I felt that she was like, well, first we thought she was a high level source, cause her father is Richard Eskridge. He's got all these plasma, gravity, you know, plasma propulsion patents and stuff for NASA. Does a lot of classified work and stuff for NASA. And she was telling us, "Oh, I know how anti-gravity works. I know how all this stuff works." And, and I, I, I can't wait to tell you guys all the secret and I'm gonna help reveal it. I'm gonna, she was like telling us, she was gonna be the one to bring disclosure. And, um, you know, I thought that she was like a, like a, uh, I thought she was like working for the intel agencies. I'm like, this girl's infiltrated our group. She, she basically, she, she got into our group.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  And then she started dating my top, my, my, my main lab guy, Mark, Mark, she started dating him. And I was just like, oh my God, they just, they just got into my group and infiltrated me like holy crap. And I, and I thought she was a spy the whole time. And I just couldn't stand her. But now she's, she killed herself and in a couple of years ago and, and there's a lot of people online that, that, that think there's a bigger conspiracy involved in it. And, um, and then also

• 1:14:35Danny Jones?

  And she, who did she work for?

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  But she worked for, uh, she worked for her father and, uh, I don't know. She worked for, uh, she worked for a couple of different companies and stuff and,

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  she worked for this Institute for Exotic Sciences with another friend of hers. And, uh, they were supposedly gonna be developing this, these, yeah, these.

• 1:14:58Danny Jones?

  She co-founded the Institute for Exotic Science?

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's this, this, uh, group in Huntsville and, um,

• 1:15:07Danny Jones?

  She publicly spoke about developing a sixth force and described her work as anti-gravity, though she acknowledged it was a non-traditional interpretation. In September 2020, she was allegedly blocked by NASA Marshall Space Flight Center.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Danny Jones?

  For presenting her research.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  And we felt that like she,

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  I don't know, something was up with that because the Estes Park Conference was run by a guy named,

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I can't think of his name right now.

• 1:15:39Danny Jones?

  She was found dead by a gunshot wound, concluded a suicide.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Danny Jones?

  Lived with chronic pain.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's

• 1:15:46Danny Jones?

  According to Reddit.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  A lot of interesting stuff going on with her case, but, um,

• 1:15:53Danny Jones?

  We should try using Grok, bro. I think Grok's better than, I think everyone think Grok, Grok is better, it seems to be than GPT. I don't know.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think Grok's better than GPT. It, it finds a lot

• 1:16:02Danny Jones?

  But you gotta get a suit, you gotta be logged in though, Steve. You gotta have the super Grok.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  So we've been digging into this anti-gravity stuff as long, if not longer than Jeffrey Epstein was. I didn't, you know, hire a lot of these people to come to my private island, as I don't have one. But we did set up a conference, our own conference, after the S T's Park Conference. It's run by Jim Woodward and who's the Woodward Effect, also called the Mock Effect. And but that's again, and a whole nother story. And so there's all these different scientists that have, you know, come out over the years. He used to, they used to actually run this Stave Conference, which was the original DARPA conferences, where all the propulsion stuff would be discussed and all the, all the papers would be presented and picked up by DARPA projects and stuff like that, back in like the eighties and nineties.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  So I've been, I've known, I knew the guys that were doing this like when I was just a baby. You know what I mean? And I've talked to, interviewed all them, got all their, all their best info and all their best intel. If someone figured out anti-gravity in 1954, like Stephen Greer came and sat in this chair and told you that we know about it, we'd have it. And his, his-

• 1:17:11Danny Jones?

  Well, don't you think that's what all the Tic Tac stuff is? You think that's like, do you think, I think that's our stuff, our own anti-gravity stuff.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  That's, I, again, I love-

• 1:17:19Danny Jones?

  They probably launched it out of submarines.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Is that, is that true though? I don't have the evidence for that, or is that a psy-op?

• 1:17:26Danny Jones?

  Of course, nobody does.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Is that just a psy-op that they want us to believe? I wonder if that's just a psy-op they want us to believe, because you look at, you look at right now, right now, you got Ross Colehart saying that he swears the Tic Tac is a Lockheed Martin craft and that he's seen something that no one else has seen. And I know for a fact that Stephen Greer showed him something that was given to him by Michael Schrat, who's my, you know, one of my good friends and-

• 1:17:48Danny Jones?

  Michael Schrat?

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Michael Schrat.

• 1:17:51Danny Jones?

  That name sounds so familiar.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Michael Schrat is a UFO archivist and a researcher. He's got a huge collection of UFO documents. He's caught every, every UFO library in the world. He has, he has a full copy of their entire library. He has, he has more, he has all the broad, Pleurig Blue Book files and plus more. This guy's got everything. And uh, he's got every single area 51 patch that was ever issued on it on like four like he's got like five boards full of all the patches, man. This guy's got like every like the authentic, real patches that that were given to people at area 51 for every special project that ever happened out there.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  And he can tell you every single one and and and and details about it, bro. The guy's, the guy is a um, the guy's great. I mean, he's he's one of my, he's he's one of my best uh, friends and researchers in the in the UFO community um, around around that issue. And uh, I know for a fact that he's the one that dug up that 1960 uh, it was 1967? When was the Y Combe? It's it's Y Com, it's like Y comb with a B, C O M B E. Um, Pennsylvania sighting, because there's he's got a Tic Tac sighting.

• 1:19:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  From 1967.

• 1:19:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, 67?

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Bro.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  This thing was spotted over.

• 1:19:12Danny Jones?

  You don't think, you don't, you don't think the Tic Tacs were were our stuff?

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know. Um, it's hard to say.

• 1:19:19Danny Jones?

  What's your best guess?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  If it could have been, you know, because aerogels go back 100 years, right? So you have the super lightweight things, then you have these surfaces which are, you know, you can get propulsion effects of ion propulsion off a surface with these propulsion effects. You could build a large aerogel aerostat craft with this, these propulsive surfaces on it that could, you know, accelerate at ridiculous speeds. Because F equals M A, if you put your M really small, a tiny bit of force gives you a huge A, right? That's a huge acceleration. That's physics, the basic physics, right? So you can go really, really fast on a small amount of force if you weigh nothing, right? If you weigh as light as a feather and these aerogels weigh lighter than a feather, they're lighter than, they're lighter than than water and stuff. Yeah.

• 1:20:01Speaker 02

  So this is, yeah, that's, that's the one. It's the boiler, the boiler uh, ship UFO. It looks like, it looks like a Tic Tac with the same kind of appendages hanging off of it, the same little latenna appendages.

• 1:20:12Danny Jones?

  And will comb be Pennsylvania?

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Which is, it's just weird, right? Because uh.

• 1:20:16Danny Jones?

  And this thing was described as flying?

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it flew right out of a lake and over a lake. Um, I don't know if it came out of the water and and took off this. Um, I, I think, I, that's what I thought. I think it came out of the water and took off. Um, so something interesting there. Again, I don't, I don't, I don't.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  It's hard to say what uh what they have without definite proof because they they've they kept the they kept certain projects secret for for for a very long time, you know, and then

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  it's hard to say, man, it it really is, but I I I feel like a lot of it just from a standpoint of being involved in it and seeing so much overhype and and under delivery. I feel like a lot of this stuff is psyops to make people think, you know, it's like to make our enemies think we have a lot better stuff than we actually do. That's what I feel like some of it is, you know, but then again, it's it's like where's the, you know, it's again, where's the proof? You need you need definite proof. Before I can say that we have the ability to teleport a plane, for example, I have to show that I can teleport a toothpick first, right? I have to show that experimentally that I can make a toothpick disappear and reappear over there,

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  and then I can teleport it with technology before before I'll believe that you can do it with an airplane or a person or anything else, right? You have to show this physically, so there again, we've been, we've had a lab, we've had we've gotten tons of people working on this from all over the world. There's there's a massive team of like thirty or forty people all working on different anti-gravity experiments around the clock, and we've been working on this for five, like five years with with private funding, and we haven't been able to crack this or figure it out, you know? Like, we've gotten the Bifeld-Brown effect to work in the in the in the in the vacuum video. Remember the bubble, the bell jar with the the uh? In fact, when Jesse Michaels was on Joe Rogan,

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  they were searching, you know, Bifeld-Brown in a vacuum, and that that came up. That's our video. Oh, is it really? Yeah. Let's pull it up. How do we find it? Look up Bifeld-Brown effect in a vacuum. That's the And you guys did this in your lab? Mark did this down at his lab with a fifteen-inch bell jar down in um In uh, in New Jersey, at the Falcon Space Lab in New Jersey. So, and we did this be- in, um, because Jesse Michaels had put together this video on Bifeld Brown. And in the, in, in, in Jesse-

• 1:22:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, his documentary on Bifeld Brown was fucking amazing.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was great. And in the end, he said he offered a $50,000 prize to anyone who could, you know, show and demonstrate provably that this effect works in a vacuum, right?

• 1:22:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  And so we said, yeah, we'll, we'll take that challenge.

• 1:23:03Danny Jones?

  And did you do it?

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Well, here it is, man. I haven't seen that 50 grand.

• 1:23:06Danny Jones?

  What's, I don't see, what's happening here?

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  It's moving.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  It's ro- it's on a torsional balance, so it's, it's gonna rotate when, when the force is applied, you know? So this is a, this is a hard vacuum. This is sick, negative six tor, okay? It's hard vacuum.

• 1:23:20Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay, expla- you gotta, you gotta break this down for, for a five-year-old.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  So if this is ion win- so if Bifeld Brown is purely ion win, like, you know, Martin Tajmar of the ESA and, and all the, uh, official authorities on, on this say, right? If it's purely ion win, then it shouldn't work in a vacuum, but it does. Why?

• 1:23:40Danny Jones?

  So you're saying that this thing in the middle is spinning, right, or is moving, because of the Bifeld Brown effect?

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  Those are little Bifeld Brown effect thrusters in there?

• 1:23:51Danny Jones?

  Those little things?

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Those little ti- tiny things? Those are little Bifeld Brown thrusters?

• 1:23:55Danny Jones?

  And how do they work?

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Well, they were made, uh, a spit- specifically according to, um, Dr. Charles Bueller's research, who worked for NASA for like 30 years on electrostatics, and he was an expert on the Bifeld Brown effect. He did all, he did all the Bifeld Brown research for NASA on this.

• 1:24:12Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  And he came forward, um, in 2023, at the end of 2023, on my podcast to, um, you know, basically, show the world that, hey, you know, I've been working on all this stuff for 30 years, and, um, they finally cleared me to be able to talk and ta- talk about it and tell you all about it. And, uh, he's, was very, uh, adamant that this, you know, this stuff actually i- i- is, it's something, it's some, it's new physics. There's new physics here.

• 1:24:44Danny Jones?

  Why is it going back and forth like that?

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  It's on a torsional balance, so, so it's, um, it's, uh-

• 1:24:52Danny Jones?

  And why so slow?

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  It's because it's, it's uh, it takes a very small amount, it's, it's producing a very small amount of thrust, but it is producing some. But this, but if it produces any amount of thrust in a vacuum, it means it's not, it's not pushing off air. Right? And Nam Tran is, is the name of, um, he's the person that built those thrusters. He's a, he's a physicist, uh, an experimental researcher from our group. He lives in Vietnam.

• 1:25:19Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is, uh, this is all, this is all new physics here, man. There's something, there's something weird going on and Bifield Brown working in a vacuum, it shouldn't. There's no mainstream explanation for why this is happening or what's going on there. And Epstein, of course, would probably have been interested in this. I don't know what he, what he was. I don't know how far he got or who else he was involved with, with the groups. And we have a list of the names of the scientists that were going to the, you know, the island and stuff. And we have the fact that, you know, he's trying to get infiltrate other groups and other theoretical groups and stuff.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  What the reasons are all behind those, I'm not sure. You know, Eric Weinstein seems to think that he was specifically targeted because of his, his, his research that he was doing.

• 1:26:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Weinstein explained being invited to his house, right? And going there and like waiting in the lobby and then being like really fucking creepy. And he thought that, he explains that he think Epstein was like playing a character. He didn't think he was like a real finance guy. Like he wasn't, he wasn't a real investor, right? He was like, uh, someone that was playing a character who obviously had a ton of money, but he got most of his money from Leslie Wexner.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, Les Wexner, yeah. And the Bronfman family, I mean, I, I, I feel like too, because the, the whole Bronfman connection there, there's something there.

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  Claire Bronfman was connected to that whole NXeum sex cult in Albany, New York. You know about that, right?

• 1:26:52Danny Jones?

  No. I know about NXeum, but I don't know who Claire is.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Claire Bronfman. Yeah, that's the Bronfman daughter, the heiress's daughter, man. She was, she got caught up in all that. And that's like, that's the Bronfman family, Bear Stearns. Those are the people that...

• 1:27:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, really interesting connections.

• 1:27:10Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, Epstein's origin, origin is fucking crazy because he got hired as a math teacher, is that right? At the Dalton School?

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. That's the teacher, right?

• 1:27:20Danny Jones?

  And then he got fired allegedly for, uh, was it misconduct? Or I don't know what the official story was, but he got fired for that. And then one of the girl's dads who was at the Dalton School was the guy at Bear Stearns.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:37Danny Jones?

  Who then hired him. And he had no training in this stuff, no college degree or anything like this. Just brought him into Bear Stearns. And then before you know it, he's connected to all these big shots, Adnan Khashoggi. And like this crazy world and all of a sudden he's like, he's living like the richest motherfucking human on the planet.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, over wealthy.

• 1:28:00Danny Jones?

  Like unbelievable.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  Unlimited amounts of money.

• 1:28:03Danny Jones?

  His lifestyle was insane.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  It's just crazy that there is a group of people that are so wealthy, so well-connected. And, um, a private intelligence network that's able to operate and set up outside the CIA. After the CIA closed, the Safari Club with Adnan Khashoggi and all them basically created their own CIA. And to act in lieu of the CIA on these, these foreign issues while the CIA was being, you know, um, handcuffed by Carter, you know, so, so the whole Iran-Contra network.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Is exists around Epstein and is part of his, his, um, his rise to power. That there's the people that put him in power. And then the Iran contra network is also the people I believe that are responsible for nine 11. I do not, I believe that the hijackers that were, were brought here that, that hijacked those planes. Right 13 of them were given their visas to enter this country in Saudi Arabia.

• 1:29:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:04Speaker 02

  Through, through John Brennan. John Brennan was the guy directly responsible.

• 1:29:09Danny Jones?

  How many of them were actual Saudis though? A huge number, right?

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, like 15 of the 19 were, were Saudis.

• 1:29:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Danny Jones?

  And there was also a Saudi intelligence officers in California at one of those houses they were staying at.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Right, right. And.

• 1:29:24Danny Jones?

  Where Mohammed Atta was and a lot of those other guys.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  When you look into the whole history of it, George Tennant and who held the spot at the, at the Alex station that was taken over by Brennan when Brennan Brennan was basically put into the position at Alex station. After George Tennant left Alex station to go become director of the CIA under Bush. Well Brennan goes and takes his spot. His job is to give all the hijackers their visas and bring them to this country. And then he gets rewarded by becoming director of the CIA later. Very interesting connections there. And again, I've, I've talked about a lot of these, these CIA directors like John Deutsch, for example. You know, quit, quit, he, he left the CIA after that press conference in LA where Mike Rupert,

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  you know, basically confronted him, uh, said, you know, we're, we're basically all that LA, everyone in LA is like, is the CIA dealing drugs? And he said, oh, if you have evidence of the CIA dealing drugs, you can bring it to the police department in LA, LAPD. And then the guy gets up, he's like, I was head of LAPD narcotics detective for, I was shot at for, for trying to, and forced out of LAPD for trying to bring this up. So who, who do I go to? So who do I go to? And he's like, "You can bring that to the police department or the FBI." And he's like, "No, all those people are corrupt. They're all involved in running this whole drug operation. What do we do?" And the whole room erupts. You can go watch this video.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Look up "Mike Rupert Confronts John Deutsch." Oh, my God. And John Deutsch- What year was this? This was 1993 or '94. 1994, I believe, yeah. And, yeah, so John Deutsch quits as Director of the CIA. He's like, "I can't deal with this, man." Because he's connected to this whole drug trafficking thing, which, you know, Aldi North took the whole fall for that whole thing. But really, it was so much deeper than that. We should have had, you know, a church-style committee hearings on that. We haven't had one of those types of hearings. Yeah. How long is this? Five minutes? Yeah, this is nuts.

• 1:31:37Speaker 05

  ...police narcotics detective that the agency has dealt drugs throughout this country for a long time.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  I'll refer you to three specific agency operations known as Amadeus, Pegasus, and Watchtower. I have Watchtower documents heavily redacted by the agency. I was personally exposed to CIA operations and recruited by CIA personnel who attempted to recruit me in the late '70s to become involved in protecting agency drug operations in this country. I have been trying to get this out for 18 years, and I have the evidence. My question for you is very specific, sir. If, in the course of the IG's investigations and Fred Hitz's work, you come across evidence of severely criminal activity, and it's classified, will you use that classification to hide the criminal activity or will you tell the American people the truth?

• 1:32:42Danny Jones?

  Everybody in the audience is black.

• 1:32:44Speaker 03

  Alright, you wanna hear the response first from Congressman Zuluian?

• 1:32:47Danny Jones?

  Steven, can you turn down just a little bit?

• 1:32:52Speaker 03

  Wait.

• 1:32:54Danny Jones?

  I wanna see this guy's response.

• 1:32:55Speaker 03

  From your, from your...

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Oh, she...

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, sir.

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Fast forward a bit, she, she talks a lot.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  Oh no, go back, go back, you missed it.

• 1:33:07Danny Jones?

  Here we go.

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 1:33:08Speaker 03

  If you have information about CIA illegal activity in drugs, you should immediately bring that information to wherever you want, but let me suggest three places. The Los Angeles Police Department.

• 1:33:27Danny Jones?

  Look at his smile, yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  Ah, please. I'm, if I, if I... I'm sorry, others wanna hear this answer.

• 1:33:39Speaker 02

  It's South Central LA.

• 1:33:40Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  I am sorry, others wanna hear this answer. It, it, it is your choice, the Los Angeles Police Department, the Inspector General, or Office of one of your Congress persons from this...

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  I'm surprised they didn't rush the desk and kill that guy. I really am. I really am shocked.

• 1:34:06Danny Jones?

  I wanna see the other guy's response.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  Sir, and, sir, you have not gotten the mic. If this information turns up wrongdoing, if it turns up wrongdoing, we will bring the people to justice and make them accountable.

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, no you won't. You, you'll actually prosecute the people who blow the whistle. Cause the only, the only people that went to jail for torture, um, in the US were the people that exposed it.

• 1:34:34Danny Jones?

  Yep, John Kerryaku.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you just had him on, man.

• 1:34:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:39Danny Jones?

  Also, uh, Thomas Drake.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Thomas Drake, yeah.

• 1:34:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, NSA. His first day at NSA was 9/11.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:34:47Danny Jones?

  His first day.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  But, so that whole thing, 9/11 could have been prevented if, uh, that ThinThread software had been used and worked, right? So the NSA spent, it worked perfectly. They spent $3 million, a nice budget, on, on, on the software that, that could identify and pinpoint all the terrorists and it, it had specific protections built in so that they wouldn't scoop up and any of the illegal spying on, on, on citizens and stuff, right? And they, they shot that down, they, they buried it and they replaced it with a, a billion dollar contract given to SAIC for essentially the same thing that basically took ThinThread, but just removed all the protections.

• 1:35:27Danny Jones?

  Trailblazer.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Trailblazer program. And that was run by SAIC, okay? John Deutsch did a lot of, he did, he did mergers and acquisitions for SAIC. He worked for SAIC.

• 1:35:38Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  That guy, that guy in, in the video we just watched, John Deutsch, the, the CIA drug trafficking guy who quit over all those allegations and stuff. So he's, he's deeply involved in, in a lot of, a lot of other interesting stuff.

• 1:35:51Danny Jones?

  Can you explain for people who don't know about SAIC? What are they? And, and first of all, it's, it's, it stands for?

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Science Applications International Corporation.

• 1:36:03Danny Jones?

  The most bland, mundane name you could have for a company. It's like so boring. It's like, you don't want to pay attention to it. So what do they do? And what, and what have they been doing?

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  Well, they started in like 68 and there's really no information on what their original contracts are, what they started with and, and doing or around. But sometime, I know in the 90s, they were hired by the CIA to actually study the, as a second, they brought in as like a third party to study the work that Hal Puthoff was doing at, um, the, the, like, um, what was it, this, the?

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  What was the Stanford?

• 1:36:42Danny Jones?

  SRI?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  SRI, Stanford Research Institute, yes. I just want to make sure I got that right. Stanford Research Institute was doing all that research into remote viewing with the whole, and they brought in SAIC to basically confirm and try to verify, re-verify their results. Which I have a lot to say about that whole remote viewing stuff. I don't think it's real. I think what-

• 1:37:03Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  I think it's bullshit. I think that Hal Puthoff's completely, you know, was either completely duped by this group. I think there was another group involved with all that, right? Run by Puharic and that was, you know, connected to, you know, Yuri Geller and all that. And they brought Yuri Geller and a lot of people were convinced that he was a real, he had real powers and real abilities and stuff, right? Well, it turns out that Puharic had invented a radio transceiver small enough that could be fit inside of a filling, of a tooth. So you give someone, you drill someone's tooth filling out, you put this little radio chip receiver in and then you do the filling on top of it. And boom, they got a little radio chip in their tooth.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  And now you can, it vibrates the messages so that if you clench your teeth together, you can actually hear messages from this radio transceiver through your tooth. So you have now a covert way to send your subject the answers to the remote viewing questions without the interviewer knowing, right? So you can fool these interviewers into thinking this person actually has remote viewing powers when really he's just being transmitted the answers through a radio transceiver in his tooth. So I believe that was one method that they used to fool a lot of the researchers at SRI into believing that these subjects actually had real remote viewing powers.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  The other one is that Hal Puthoff cites this, oh, this plane crashed somewhere in this thing and they needed to find it right away. And they didn't know where it was. And so they came to our group and one of our remote viewers, like this Pat Price guy, was able to find the plane, you know, with his magical powers and stuff.

• 1:38:40Danny Jones?

  Funny thing about all of this remote viewing things, I don't mean to interrupt or ruin your train of thought, but a lot of them were Scientologists.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  Right, yes. And a lot of them were involved in like the occult and other stuff too. There's a lot of like weird Satanism stuff too. But the search of Scientology is definitely an interesting connection. But, but back to the whole issue, that Hal Puthoff brought this up on Joe Rogan. He said, oh, well, you know, this, this guy found the plane. But there's other explanations for that, right? And here's my explanation, what I think could have happened. We have all these spy satellites set up by the recently created NRO and the NSA during that same time. Now, we have data on this plane. Say we were tracking that plane and we knew exactly where it crashed.

• 1:39:23Danny Jones?

  What plane are you talking about?

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  The plane that Hal Putoff says that they found with remote viewing and that proves remote viewing is real and that it works. That's his only proof that he gives on Joe Rogan's show that remote viewing is real is that plane that this one remote viewer found. That's like the biggest, that's his big ultimate proof that this has got to be real. And if you have a classified program and you were able to track that plane, you knew exactly where that plane was and you need to go now get that plane, how do you do that? How do you find a way to like, oh, we found the plane? Well, the remote viewing programs are perfect, you know, scapegoat because you can just say, oh, one of our remote viewers found the plane and that's where it was. Oh, my God, that's where the plane was. But in that way, you don't have to reveal your sources of your true intelligence of

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  that you actually tracked the plane, you knew what it was and where it was.

• 1:40:12Danny Jones?

  Because of satellites?

• 1:40:13Speaker 02

  Because of satellites. Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

• 1:40:16Danny Jones?

  Well, couldn't you also put the shoe on the other foot and make the exact opposite argument, saying you don't want them to know about your remote viewing stuff? You want to hide the remote viewing technology?

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  But the NRO program was a billion dollar spy, cannon spy satellites. We sent tons of these things up in the air. We have that capability and that's something real that we wouldn't want people to know about, whereas remote viewing is, there's no proof that that ever exists. There's been tons of people that have done studies on that.

• 1:40:43Danny Jones?

  Find out that we have those satellites in the atmosphere, wouldn't they easily be able to detect those satellites?

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, they might know we have some of these capabilities and stuff, but it's a way to get that information out that's classified. So it's not proof that that plane was found with remote viewing. The CIA could have pulled a move is all I'm saying, is it? All right? I don't know. You can do that what you will and people can believe what they want, but I've done my own studies into this remote viewing stuff and I think it's all, it's all a bunch of hogwash.

• 1:41:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but isn't there a ton of other evidence that the remote viewing stuff is real?

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  Where?

• 1:41:19Danny Jones?

  There's been, I don't know where, like, I don't know if there's hard like-

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Name some, show me.

• 1:41:23Danny Jones?

  I don't know how you could document-

• 1:41:25Speaker 02

  I would love to see it, but I haven't seen it yet, man.

• 1:41:27Danny Jones?

  I've not seen it either, but I'm saying, I'm just saying, um-

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  If you have any, please show me, and I would love to test one of these people, myself.

• 1:41:33Danny Jones?

  I'm just saying testimonials from people who were a part of the program, who have talked about it, and corroborated stuff, like you have-

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, there's-

• 1:41:39Danny Jones?

  You have witnesses with corroboration, I'm not saying that you have like a fucking, you know, hardcore evidence.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they get a whole bunch of these people that say, "Oh yeah, it's real, I swear by it, and it's totally real, and it's, yeah, okay." Show, prove it to me, alright?

• 1:41:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I would love to see proof too.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  Again, it's one of those things where I'm a scientist, and I'm a skeptic, and I just, I think it's, I think it's a whole bunch of nonsense to convince people that they can get inside your head, and get inside everything, and-

• 1:42:06Danny Jones?

  Steve, finally, ask Grok, has anybody ever proved remote viewing is real?

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder what Grok has to say, because there was a whole bunch of studies that were done, like I said, SRI did the studies, then SAIC was brought in as like this separate group. Um, so that, we know that they were involved with the CIA through that, you know, at least that one classified thing, so it's quite-

• 1:42:25Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, we got off on a tangent.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  But also, I know that-

• 1:42:27Danny Jones?

  Go back to SAIC.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  I know that Ed Fuchet worked for SAIC at one point too, I know that, that's in his history. Um, but also, SAIC, uh, is apparently connected to a whole bunch of the UFO stuff.

• 1:42:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  It's just, you know, tangentially, or-

• 1:42:41Danny Jones?

  This is what Jesse Michaels talks about, yeah.

• 1:42:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, um, the his, uh, they got UAP Gerb, and he's done a ton of research into, you know-

• 1:42:48Danny Jones?

  Oh, he's great.

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  Both, uh, SAIC and Batel.

• 1:42:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  So, Batel is, you know, that, those, the progress reports that, that show that they were working on the memory metals in 49.

• 1:42:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  1949, uh, with a specific interest in nickel-titanium alloys, which is nitinol. Um, there's like five pages with, uh, the, the, the phase diagrams for nickel-titanium alloy. They were super interested in this for some reason, and I think it's because of the memory metals that were found at Roswell. A lot of other researchers do, uh, feel that way as well.

• 1:43:21Danny Jones?

  All right, here's our conclusion from Grok. Remote viewing has not been conclusively proven to be real in the sense of meeting rigorous scientific standards for a novel phenomenon. While some studies, particularly from the Stargate project and recent meta-analysis report statistically significant results, they're, they're, these are countered by methodological, metha, metho- la- da-

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  Methodological.

• 1:43:42Danny Jones?

  There you go. Easy for you to say. Critiques: inconsistent replication and the absence of theoretical explanation. The mainstream scientific community, of course, leans heavily towards skepticism, classifying remote viewing as pseudoscience, just like they do everything. Through proponents argue, though proponents argue, it warrants further investigation due to persistent statistical anomalies. The debate remains open, but the evidence is not sufficient to establish remote viewing as definitely a real phenomenon.

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:12Danny Jones?

  But here's the thing. We have proof that the CIA spent millions of dollars on Stargate. Why would they just waste millions of dollars? If it wasn't, if it wasn't at least somewhat effective? I'm not saying like guaranteed, but say they, say they tried remote viewing a thousand times and it happened five out of a thousand times.

• 1:44:31Speaker 02

  So there was a article that was published, I think it was in a French newspaper, and it was about a Russian remote viewing program. And that got us interested in the idea. And we said, oh, the Russians really doing this? Is this really work? Well, we have to find out. We have to see, you know?

• 1:44:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  So, you know, they spend, they spend, they spend more than that trying to figure out a link between, you know, uh, you know, the, the, you know, I can't even think of one off the top of my head, but there's some ridiculous studies-

• 1:45:00Danny Jones?

  And this was all during the Cold War. Dude, the Cold War, some of the most fucking insane shit was going on in our government during the Cold War. You got JFK, Watergate, MKUltra, the moon landing, Stargate. It was like, the Cold War was like the Twilight Zone of just weird and wacky shit going on. And most, a lot of them-

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  MKUltra is really wild.

• 1:45:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah. The moon landing too is really fucking wild.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't want to get into that with you on this podcast. This is a whole nother rabbit hole. We don't have enough time. We don't have enough time. I want to talk about a lot of other.

• 1:45:38Danny Jones?

  Yes, let's get, let's get back on track here.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Thing is, there's too many conspiracy theories.

• 1:45:42Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  Out there. And I don't want more conspiracy theories. I don't like to deal in conspiracy theories. It's cool to speculate. You know, I did a little bit of that today, right?

• 1:45:49Danny Jones?

  Did you see my part of the Rogan podcast where I showed the picture of Jolly West on the set of 2001 Space Odyssey?

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  Yes, that was nuts, dude.

• 1:45:56Danny Jones?

  That's him, bro.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  That's him. That is definitely him.

• 1:45:59Danny Jones?

  That's him with Arthur C. Clarke.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Danny Jones?

  And Jolly West.

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  He's over there hanging around with all those guys. Yeah. And, and the connection to the, yeah, the MKUltra connection to the Manson murders. And, uh, you know, the murder of Sharon Tate and, and then how.

• 1:46:12Danny Jones?

  Jack Ruby?

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Jack Ruby. Jack Ruby's, yeah, really another whole rabbit hole anomaly.

• 1:46:19Danny Jones?

  He conveniently lost his mind right after Jolly West left his prison cell.

• 1:46:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It was his court-appointed psychiatrist. Well, that's the funny thing about our courts, man. And they, they literally control the, the courts to such a degree where they, if you're involved in any of this stuff. Look up, look up, have you ever heard of a guy named Richard Case Nagel before? All right, this guy was good friends with Dave Ferry, Guy Banister, and, and Clay Shaw down in New Orleans.

• 1:46:47Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  All right. A day or like a week, I think it was like a week before the assassination. He goes into a bank with a gun and like fires it into the, a couple of shots into the ceiling and then wait, goes out and waits in his car to go get arrested. And, uh, when they arrest him, he says, I'm, I'm, I'm doing this and getting myself arrested so that I'm not implicated in the murder of President Kennedy. And they buried this guy in, under like legal stuff for like years.

• 1:47:15Danny Jones?

  Is this online?

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's all online. You can look this up. Richard Case Nagel. Look him up. Read about it.

• 1:47:20Danny Jones?

  Holy shit, bro.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  They buried this, they buried this case, they wouldn't let him present any of his evidence. They suppressed all his evidence in court so that it couldn't be entered into the record. They buried him in a prison cell for like years and wouldn't let it out the light of day. The same thing they did with the Secret Service agent in Chicago, who blew the whistle on the Chicago plot to assassinate the president. Abraham Bolden is his name. He's the first black Secret Service agent ever. They arrested this guy on false charges and they put him in prison and kept him in prison so that he couldn't blow the whistle on the assassination plot.

• 1:47:57Danny Jones?

  Well, also Oswald tried to blow the whistle on it too.

• 1:48:00Speaker 02

  Right, well, the guy who called the Chicago FBI and said that there was gonna be a plot there, identified, he said his name was Lee.

• 1:48:10Danny Jones?

  Right, right, bro.

• 1:48:13Speaker 02

  So, there's some, there's some stuff going on with all that. And then, of course, Chicago is where, you know, Ruby came from. He had, he had ties to the Chicago mob with Al Capone and all this stuff. Really interesting, you know, how the Dallas mob, you know, gets involved in all this and comes together.

• 1:48:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:34Speaker 02

  And what kind of position they put Ruby in, you know, that's always, always bothered me is like, what did they, this guy must have been at his ends wit or some, they must have had something on this guy to make him do that. But then also, after he shoots Oswald in the basement of the police department, he immediately drops the gun and says, "Where am I? What am I doing? Where am I?"

• 1:48:56Danny Jones?

  Ruby did?

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Ruby did.

• 1:48:59Danny Jones?

  Is that on video?

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  It's, I don't think it's on video, but it's, it's, it's, that's in the, I don't know if it's on video. That's a good question, but this is-

• 1:49:07Danny Jones?

  How did you find out about, where, did you read about it?

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  I read about it and learned about it. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen it. There's a video of him shooting and then like everything goes into chaos, you know? So I don't know what happens after that, but people said that he dropped the gun and was like, "Where am I? What am I doing?"

• 1:49:21Danny Jones?

  So is the speculation that he was MK altered before that?

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of speculation about that, that Ruby was being, you know, MK altered. And he's living with, Ruby was living in an apartment with another guy named, another man named George Senator. Ruby, Jack Ruby was gay. He never slept with any of the strippers. He's a homosexual, you know? In fact, pretty much everyone involved in the JFK assassination is gay.

• 1:49:45Danny Jones?

  David Ferry was.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  David Ferry, guy, Clay Shaw, definitely gay. He was, you know, had parties with, you know, 17 year old boys, like shoving wine bottles up at their asses in his backyard. Clay Shaw did.

• 1:49:58Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's literally, like, this is in the history, he had parties at his house that he got the cops called on him because he had a bunch of black, 17 year old black kids out in the backyard with wine bottles, shoving wine bottles up their asses.

• 1:50:08Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  And the neighbors called the cops because they're all running around naked doing this and, and, and, uh, so that Clay Shaw, then Oswald's landlady, Ruth Payne's lesbian, she had lesbian porn and literature, um, all in her possession.

• 1:50:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:22Speaker 02

  And she supposedly had an affair with, um, uh, Alan Dulles's girlfriend, right? So the director of the CIA, a direct connection between the director of the CIA and Oswald's landlady. Um, she vacationed on Nashawn Island in the, uh, the summer before, um, before she picked up Oswald in, in New Orleans and drove Marina and, and gave them a home and a place in Dallas to stay. She was vacationing on Nashawn Island, which is right near, um, Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, up, up here, up where I live in Mass. And, um, they literally, the, the Nashawn Island is a private island. It's owned by the Forbes family. And, um, yeah, very interesting stuff. Alan Dulles was supposedly, uh, vacation, it was, was very definitely vacationing.

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  They, they've proven this and they think that that's one of the locations where, uh, the whole JFK assassination was like, you know, at least the financial end of it were, were, were talked about.

• 1:51:17Danny Jones?

  Okay, here's Nagel. This is Nagel. Well, why did Nagel walk into an El Paso, like, according to what he told the CIA, it was because he wanted to be in custody when the assassination took place in Dallas.

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:51:27Danny Jones?

  According to the January 18th, 1968 CIA memorandum marketed, quote, "secret." That was released to the House Select Committee on Assassinations on August 23rd, 1978, during the church commission, right? Uh, the CIA memorandum says that Nagel alleged he wanted to be in jail at the time of assassination. However, Nagel says at the time of my arrest, "I was operating in an undercover role, having become involved in a domestic-inspired plot to assassinate President John F. Kennedy." Uh, least wise, ostensibly other highly-placed government officials.

• 1:51:58Danny Jones?

  Wow, that's insane. Have you seen, have you heard that lady Judith Very Baker?

• 1:52:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:05Danny Jones?

  I had her on here.

• 1:52:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's interesting.

• 1:52:08Danny Jones?

  She's interesting. She's very odd.

• 1:52:10Speaker 02

  I've had, I've had people, you know, I, there's a lot of-

• 1:52:14Danny Jones?

  I didn't know what to make of it.

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  There's a lot of people I've heard over the years say like, bad things about her. So, and there's other people that have said good things about her. I'd really like to interview her myself, but I really want to, I don't know, it's because a lot of people have different things to say about her, but then they, they say things about other people I don't agree with either.

• 1:52:33Danny Jones?

  Well, she claims she was having an affair with Oswald.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:52:36Danny Jones?

  She brought, she brought in here the actual pay stubs from the place she was working and she was signing off on, on Lee Harvey Oswald's, uh, what was it? Like when he clocked into work in the morning or something like that? Yeah, she's basically doing it for him. She was, she was doing it for him because he was gone and they were having an affair together. So she was covering for him because he was showing up later, whatever. And she brought all these in, like the original ones with like the actual ink handwriting on it.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Danny Jones?

  And it lined up perfectly. She was working at that coffee company the same exact time that he was. So that's-

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Definitely has a connection to him there, but I've heard other people say, I've, I've heard other people say that she's like embellished or, or like basically like added stuff on to the story over the years that wasn't a r-

• 1:53:19Danny Jones?

  Entirely possible.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  It's like she didn't come out right away at the beginning with all this stuff. She's kind of like, and then, so that makes her less credible to certain people.

• 1:53:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  So-

• 1:53:28Danny Jones?

  Well, the whole story of Alton Oshner and the research that he was doing to create a bioweapon with that lady, uh, Mary Sherman.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mary Sherman's monkey.

• 1:53:38Danny Jones?

  She was literally-

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  The cancer viruses, this SV-40 and all that crap.

• 1:53:43Danny Jones?

  This goes back to the SV-40 stuff and they were using that Linac machine that was in the basement of the New Orleans hospital to turbocharge this SV-40 to try to make it more deadly.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:54Danny Jones?

  And they had a secret lab that was in an apartment in New Orleans where they had all these rats they were doing this testing on. David Ferry was there, Mary Sherman was there, Oswald was in there.

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:54:05Danny Jones?

  And basically how- When they eventually found Mary Sherman, they found her in the apartment, uh, basically stabbed to death. They had a bunch of knife wounds in her. And they like lit her apartment on fire.

• 1:54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:18Danny Jones?

  But then when they came in and actually did the forensic investigation, she had all these knife wounds, one in her heart. One in like her stomach, I think in her legs and, and half of her, her entire arm and half of her body was missing. Which wouldn't have happened in a typical fire. Like that doesn't, it doesn't completely dissolve your body. So they're saying what the speculation is or what the, the point the book makes is that when she was in the basement of that hospital. Doing the testing on that Lennox machine, it went off when she was still in there and basically like. Incinerated half of her body. So they had to figure out how to cover it up. So they put her in the apartment and then, then they burned the apartment to try to cover the whole story up.

• 1:54:59Speaker 02

  Wow. Oh, that's interesting.

• 1:55:01Danny Jones?

  Oswald, so Oswald was connected to it and they wanted Oswald to take this vial of SV forty, this bioweapon that they had created. And they wanted for him, they wanted him to go to Cuba to kill Castro.

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:55:15Danny Jones?

  And that's why he, that's why he went to Mexico City and tried to defect to Cuba or tried to defect back to the Soviet Union through Cuba. Um, but it ended up not happening. It's a very convoluted story, but it's.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  That and the borilium dust stuff and there's a number of like witnesses to the JFK assassination that died. Like they think that they, they, they basically cancer, they, uh, cancer them. You know, they killed them with cancer, like an induced cancer, rapidly induced cancer. Yeah, that's an interesting side of the whole thing. And David Ferry, uh, being interested in all that, he had like lab rats in his apartment and, and was doing a lot of weird experiments in his own. Uh, and stuff. So that there's, yeah, there's a lot of interesting, uh, stuff there, certainly with that, uh, that Tulane University, I think it was.

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  Tulane, yeah.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, really, um. Really crazy rabbit hole there to dig down, but Oswald, when he was in New Orleans there doing that stuff, he was also working out of 554 Camp Street, which is an office and next to Guy Bannister's office. And Guy Bannister was the FBI agent who created the X-Files, the file designation X for all the UFO stuff. And he investigated like the Maori Island Incident where he basically showed up to investigate this UFO incident. And there was this other group there of a guy saying that they were from the FBI and that they were there to investigate it. And he's like, well, who are you and why are you here? And they found out this guy wasn't really from the FBI, he was from another agency. And

• 1:56:43Speaker 02

  that guy's name was Fred Christman. And Fred Christman has been accused of being one of the tramps in Dealey Plaza, of course. You know, people also say that's E. Howard Hunt or a guy named Chauncey Holt, who Chauncey Holt came out in like 94 and laid out this whole story about how he was working for the Los Angeles Stamp and Stationery Company, which made all the badges for all the, they made the Dallas Police Force badges, they made the Secret Service badges, they made the CIA FBI badges and all that stuff. And he said that his job there was to make fake Secret Service credentials for the people that were seen around the Knoll that identified themselves as Secret Service agents. And

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  he was sent there to Dealey Plaza to deliver those, you know, to the agents and stuff so that, you know, and for the assassination plot. And he says he also made the fake IDs, the J. Alec Hiddle IDs for Oswald and stuff. And a lot of interesting stuff. And then, yeah, so there's a lot of, you know, interesting stuff there in the JFK assassination.

• 1:57:48Danny Jones?

  You know who's an absolute mastermind in the whole history of this stuff is Danny Sheehan.

• 1:57:53Speaker 02

  Danny, yeah, Danny Sheehan is, I've met him, I met him out at, in LA a couple months ago.

• 1:57:59Danny Jones?

  He interviewed, he-

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  He's directly involved with the guys-

• 1:58:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, he was directly involved with a lot of people. He interviewed-

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:08Danny Jones?

  Trofocante about this.

• 1:58:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:11Danny Jones?

  And how that's all connected to the stuff at Watergate, because they caught the dudes that were in Watergate.

• 1:58:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:58:18Danny Jones?

  Who had receipts to that bank in, in Mexico City.

• 1:58:24Danny Jones?

  Which was the same bank they used to pay the Cuban assassins that Danny says were the ones that trained to kill the president.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:58:33Danny Jones?

  And when Nixon was talking to Richard Helms, I believe, or somebody close to Nixon, his advisor, was on the phone with Richard Helms.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  Operation mongoose and then Operation mongoose turned into Interpen.

• 1:58:48Danny Jones?

  The head of the FBI was trying to investigate that receipt and investigate that bank in Mexico City. And then Nixon's advisor, whoever the, I forget, somebody basically got in touch with him, got on the phone with the FBI guy and Richard Helms at the same time and said, put the kibosh on this investigation because if this comes out, if you guys peel back the skin on this, it's gonna open up a hornet's nest of shit about JFK, so leave it alone.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  Well, I guess what they told him is that it was the Russians and that if this could basically open up the whole, open like nuclear war with Russia is basically, if you come up with this, you're gonna start a nuclear war with Russia. And that's how they got, that's how they got Warren, Judge Earl or Warren to go along with the whole, you know, to basically go along with the cover up, apparently. That's, that's, that's one theory about why he was told to go along with all this is because he said if this stuff comes out about the Mexico City thing, you know, it's gonna link back to the Russian embassy and link to Russia.

• 1:59:49Danny Jones?

  Well, I think Nixon was also really worried that it was gonna try to connect him to the JFK assassination.

• 1:59:56Speaker 02

  He was in Dallas, Nixon, he was at the bottlers convention.

• 1:59:59Danny Jones?

  Right. But Danny Sheen doesn't believe that he had anything to do with it. He thinks it was all, he thinks it was all the Joint Chiefs of Staff that were trying to, they were literally trying to create a full on nuclear war. They wanted to nuke China and Russia.

• 2:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:15Danny Jones?

  That was the one point in time where we had the most and they had the least as far as nuclear weapons. Like we had, that was our peak of stockpile and that was when Russia had the fewest amount. So the Joint Chiefs of Staff had multiple meetings called PSYOP meetings, not PSYOP, SCIOP. And they were, Robert Kennedy was in these meetings and it was all about trying to basically nuke Russia and China. Kennedy wanted absolutely nothing to do with it, neither did Robert Kennedy. And he was trying to stop it and at the same time, he was trying to pull everybody out of Vietnam.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  And have talks with Khrushchev and all that.

• 2:00:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and that's this guy, that's where this other guy, John Newman, who is like one of the most world renowned researchers on JFK. In fact, every book that's ever been written about JFK, all the top books, all the top authors, you can even talk to Oliver Stone.

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:02Danny Jones?

  They'll say, all the number one sold books on JFK, they don't actually go back and read the JFK files. What they do is, they research John Newman's work.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:12Danny Jones?

  For this stuff. And John Newman was a consultant on the original JFK film with Oliver Stone. And he, I did a bunch of podcasts with him. He is a freaking encyclopedia, it's a walking encyclopedia on all of this stuff, man. He's got it all documented. And he, yeah, anyways, he basically, his theory is that it was a military coup.

• 2:01:32Speaker 02

  Well, how does it connect to the, because this aerospace involved, elements involved in both the JFK and the RFK assassination that was Thane Eugene Caesar.

• 2:01:41Danny Jones?

  He doesn't know anything, he doesn't say anything about that. He doesn't say anything about, because there's, that's the thing about JFK. There's so many different flavors of JFK. There's people who think he was killed because of aliens. People think he was killed because of Israelis, one of the nukes.

• 2:01:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:52Danny Jones?

  There's so many different fucking conspiracy theories about why JFK was killed. But John Newman, who is like the leading authority on the history of all this stuff, who's read every single page of every single document on JFK.

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:05Danny Jones?

  For what it's worth, I'm not saying he's right or wrong, I'm just saying, based on that fact, his theory is, it was a, it was a military coup because the Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted a full out nuclear war and they wanted to continue the war in Vietnam.

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  And they hated Kennedy because of the whole Bay of Pigs invasion. They got a bunch of the people that were in the leftover from the, the leftover soldiers from the Bay of Pigs, you know, formed the Operation Mongoose Group, and then that went into form Interpen.

• 2:02:33Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  With Jerry Hemming and, and that other guy that trained them down, I, I wish I could remember these names right now. But, yeah, that's a whole nother rabbit hole and, but I really think that a lot of it's connected because D. Harold Byrd worked for, you know, D. Harold Byrd owned the schoolbook depository building. He's a oil millionaire, oil billionaire in Texas. Connected with Howard, you know, Clint Murchison and the Hunts and also Jack Alston Crichton, who I talked about before.

• 2:03:04Speaker 02

  These guys all in the same kind of cabal and circle. D. Harold Byrd took the window out of the schoolbook depository building that Oswald shot the president from and put it in his trophy room. He had a bunch of elephant, he went elephant hunting right after the assassination. He went to Africa and shot a bunch of African elephants and hung their heads on his wall in his big trophy room that had all these, you know, all these exotic animals that he had shot and killed and taxidermied. Inside his trophy room with all those animals that he'd killed is the window from this Texas schoolbook depository building. Isn't that a little weird?

• 2:03:39Danny Jones?

  That's wild. That's really weird.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  That's really weird. And he also was an investor in a company called Ling-Temco Vaught. And Vaught Aircraft were the ones that built a lot of the flying saucers for Wright-Patterson Air Force Base back in the 40s and 50s. So there is a strong aerospace and UFO element to the whole JFK story that very definitely exists and some researchers don't pay any attention to it. They won't talk about it. They won't make those connections or they say that they're, it's not relevant or not important and, you know, they take their own flavor on the assassination, everyone. And then there's the people that use it all for their grift or their political propaganda and stuff and have their own version of all that. And that happens with all the conspiracy theories out there.

• 2:04:26Speaker 02

  And that's one reason I think we don't need any more conspiracy theories. What we need is facts and we need like real investigations. We need real, real serious investigators to dig through these things because we don't know what happened in, on the JFK assassination. That was 60 years ago. We also don't know what happened with this Epstein thing and we don't know what happened on 9/11.

• 2:04:45Danny Jones?

  Well, here's the thing. We don't know exactly what happened, but we know basically who was involved and we know that it was a conspiracy.

• 2:04:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:55Danny Jones?

  People conspired to kill JFK. We know that. We know it wasn't the government narrative. We know, one thing we do know about all these things is the government's lying about it.

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And they covered it up and they called us conspiracy theorists for asking questions and said that we.

• 2:05:11Danny Jones?

  That's why I think that term's run its course, I think.

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think if you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, then you're probably.

• 2:05:18Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  Just not paying attention.

• 2:05:21Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:05:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so yeah, this is just so much stuff. Let's, but I want to, I want to get into a couple of key points because we started off talking, we just kind of went all over the place here, man.

• 2:05:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, let's actually, I gotta take a leak real quick. Let's take a quick break.

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  Let's take a break and I want to come back to some stuff.

• 2:05:37Danny Jones?

  Let's get right back on track.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:39Danny Jones?

  All right, we'll be right back, folks.

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  There's so much still to cover, man. There's so much still to talk about with secret science, you know, space exploration, conspiracies, government accountability, the Department of Justice, you know, you know, you know, that whole Promise software thing was, was originally developed under a contract from the DOJ. The Department of Justice were the ones like that funded that whole, the creation of that software. It's called Prosecutor Manager, Management Information System software, right? Something like that is what Promise stood for.

• 2:06:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  And it was for, it was made for prosecutors to be able to like manage files and cases and all that stuff.

• 2:06:23Danny Jones?

  Court records and stuff, right?

• 2:06:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's, I mean, that's how the CIA started. Allen Dulles and his brother ran a law firm before, you know, before they, you know, created and set up the whole CIA. They were, they were lawyers who ran a law firm. So a lot of this stuff is, is based around laws, legality and, you know, what you can do to get away and how to get away with, and they knew a lot about laws, about how you get away with stuff, you know, how you, how you beat cases, how you can manipulate the law and how you can manipulate the structure of the law. And a lot of the CIA's, what it does is hire lawyers to research laws in other countries so they can find out what they can get away with and, and how to, how to run these operations as best they can. And of course, you know, every once in a while you have to have agents that commit crimes in other countries and sometimes they get caught, you know?

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  That was weird, you're with the anti-

• 2:07:12Danny Jones?

  My pyramid just broke.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  It was doing anti-gravity until like-

• 2:07:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. Is that, is that- Is this the Byfield Brown effect?

• 2:07:20Speaker 02

  No, this is, um-

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  Have you ever seen one of these?

• 2:07:24Speaker 02

  If you take a magnet and you rotate it fast enough, it doesn't have time to relax. I think there's a, there's a spinning rotating magnet in the bottom base of that and it creates a a field where it never quite, it can never quite stabilize itself. So, so it never, it just, as soon as it recorrects, it gets re-corrected on the other side. And that will happen if you, if you spin magnets.

• 2:07:46Danny Jones?

  Well, this is a magnetic effect.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  With spinning magnets, yeah. And it's to do with the, that relaxation time and not being able to correct itself.

• 2:07:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:07:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, it's not true anti-gravity, unfortunately. We've been on the hunt for that and for quite a long time and haven't been able to discover that. And it'd be real helpful if Bob Lazar could give us some of that element 115.

• 2:08:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we talked, so we talked about Bob Lazar on your first podcast here. And you basically have pointed out all like the weird things about his past, like his first wife committed suicide in her garage.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  That was awesome. You brought that up on Rogan, dude. And he was like talking about, but, and listening to his responses, I have everything I want to say in response to everything he said.

• 2:08:29Danny Jones?

  So what is your position? Is your position still the same on Bob Lazar?

• 2:08:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 2:08:34Danny Jones?

  You think, you think he never was at Area 51?

• 2:08:37Speaker 02

  He, he was never at Area 51. He was at Los Alamos. He was at the, he was at the.

• 2:08:43Danny Jones?

  So you think he's making up all this stuff? It's a, it's an elaborate lie that he's kept the same over all, over all these years?

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  He was at the Maison Physics Facility, but his, his first wife, I mean, you know, he, he talks to, he, you know, Rogan talks about his ex, his, his, his ex-wife, but he, he doesn't talk about that it was his second wife. He's talking about Tracy and he's still buying into all of Jeremy Corbell's narrative on this stuff, which is, you know.

• 2:09:08Danny Jones?

  Well, my thing about, I've, I've come around on Bob Lazar now. I think that if the CIA wanted to find somebody to get into their program to, or not, even if it wasn't CIA, even if it was like a secret, secret lockheed or whatever. If they wanted to bring in people to sort of crack this problem or help them figure out how to fly these crafts that they've tried, they're trying to reverse engineer, right? You have this guy who is strapping rockets to the back of cars, doing all this crazy stuff, really smart stuff, understands physics and all this crap.

• 2:09:43Speaker 02

  He didn't strap the rocket to his... He wasn't the first about the rockets. Came from his neighbor Eugene Gluheref, when he lived on Martha Street in Forest Hills, California.

• 2:09:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  So the same time, that was the same period, he was allegedly taking courses at MIT and going to MIT as part of the secret program. But we found through actual, you know, school records that he was taking physics courses from Dr. Bill Duxler at Pierce Junior College in Woodland Hills, California during the time he says he was going to MIT. You don't go to Pierce Junior College, if you can get it, you go into MIT. It doesn't, that doesn't add up, so.

• 2:10:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, there was, there was some weird college in California.

• 2:10:21Speaker 02

  Yes, Pierce Junior College.

• 2:10:23Danny Jones?

  What was the story with that college again? It was like, they, it was shut down because of some scheme or something?

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  No, no, no. That was, on court records in his 1991 pandering case in out of Las Vegas, okay? That was for the brothel that he set up. And by the way, I got this wrong on the last podcast, I want to correct myself. There were two brothels. There was a legal brothel called the Crystal Cove, and there was an illegal brothel called the Honeysuckle Ranch. And the Honeysuckle Ranch was the one where he set up the CCTV cameras inside all the buildings, were recording the prostitutes having sex with the Johns, and then trying to use that sexual blackmail to blackmail the Johns. Very similar to what Epstein did, right? So.

• 2:11:03Danny Jones?

  How do you know this?

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  This, it's all in his 1991 conviction, it's all in court documents.

• 2:11:08Danny Jones?

  It's all documented in court records that he was doing this.

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  All documented. George Knapp talks about this.

• 2:11:13Danny Jones?

  Honeysuckle Ranch was a legal brothel in Nevada, in which Bob Lazar reportedly had partial ownership stake.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Okay, I got him wrong. So look up the Crystal Cove then.

• 2:11:22Danny Jones?

  Crystal Cove.

• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  That was the other one.

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  I got them mixed up. Yeah, so there was two brothels that he ran. And these are all in the court documents. They have the name of the madam.

• 2:11:34Danny Jones?

  There's no mention of a crystal cove.

• 2:11:36Speaker 06

  I'll keep looking.

• 2:11:37Speaker 02

  It's in, it's in the, uh, it's, that's the name of it. I don't know if it's, if it's in there, but I know that.

• 2:11:43Danny Jones?

  And he was, it was in the court documents that he was recording it with camera. Recording the prostitutes having sex with Johns.

• 2:11:52Speaker 02

  Yes, in the 1991 conviction case. Okay, so that's that.

• 2:11:55Danny Jones?

  Okay, so.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  I don't have to speculate on whether he did this or that. I don't need to speculate, Danny. In Joe Rogan, the proof that Joe Rogan showed to you that Bob Lazar was a scientist and really knows science and he's not a liar. He said, this is the proof that Bob Lazar is not a liar and that he, he's a really smart guy who knows science. And he said, bring up that hydrogen car video, Jamie. Let's watch that hydrogen car video. And that's so funny that he brought that video up, but I really wish he had played the end of the video, the whole thing, and not just the, the beginning where he's showing off the hydrogen car. Cause Bob Lazar actually lies twice, provably, in that video. He lies once when he claims that metal hydride is not dangerous and that it's only regulated by the government because they don't want people get, using hydrogen cars and stuff, okay? You read the MSDS shape, material safety data sheet on, on lithium hydride.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  It's fucking dangerous stuff, man. It's, it's definitely dangerous and should be regulated. So he lies about that. The second point he lies, he claims that he made all the lithium hydride in that car that he's driving in his particle accelerator to show, and he shows up the particle accelerator. So if you have a particle accelerator and you, you're creating, you know, you're smashing atoms to get, protons together, one at a time, you're creating one atom of lithium. You need 10 to the 23 to have a mole, Avogadro's number, to have a usable amount of this, of, to create a usable amount of lithium in a particle accelerator, you would need 10 to the 23 reactions.

• 2:13:22Speaker 02

  So if you had one reaction every millisecond.

• 2:13:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  It would still take you 40,000 some years to, to produce even just a gram of lithium. But he claims he made it all in his, in his particle accelerator.

• 2:13:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  That's a lie, bro.

• 2:13:39Danny Jones?

  So even if I'm the CIA, or if I'm some secretive organization that wants to help crack this problem of anti-gravity and UFOs, wouldn't I want to find some guy who has the potential to help us with this problem, who also has this super shady background of brothels, the wife who committed suicide, all this other stuff, to if he ever spilled the beans, we could easily deny him. Because people would say, using their logic, why would they ever hire this crazy guy doing all this wacky shit? They would never do that. Of course they wouldn't do that.

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  Here's one reason or possibility of how and why they might do that. You look at the year before Bob Lazar came out in 1988, there was a thing called UFO TV, and this aviary group came out, this shady, it's called the UFO Aviary, and you can look this up. This group came forward with all their faces blacked out, the top guy called himself Condor, and Falcon, and Owl, and Owl was supposedly howl put off, and then Pelican, and they all had nicknames of birds' names, and they called themselves the Aviary. And they were all coming out with UFO disclosure, and they basically said a lot of the same stuff Bob Lazar was saying the year before. They talked about, they talked about, they

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  talked about the UFOs in the government bible, that was the name of Bob Lazar's first documentary, was UFOs in the Government Bible, and that was literally, they liked the UFO Aviary Group.

• 2:15:06Danny Jones?

  The Government Bible?

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  And that was supposedly run by this, you know, a lot of people think that was basically a disinformation op that was run by Richard Doty. You know who Richard Doty is?

• 2:15:18Danny Jones?

  Of course.

• 2:15:18Speaker 02

  Mirage man, right?

• 2:15:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  And so, other people have an idea that maybe Richard Doty set up this little operation, where they brought in this guy Bob Lazar, they were watching John Lear, knew that John Lear, John Lear had gone out a couple of years before, and taken pictures of a Russian MiG on the tarmac out there, on Area 51, and it had the pictures of it, and so John Lear was, you know, this- Guy was taught, you know, they knew he was too loud. They knew he was a blabbermouth. They, John Lear went on the record with George Knapp the year before, like right before Bob Lazar came out with his story and, and you can look up on the record with George Knapp and John Lear.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  John Lear gives the whole Bob Lazar story a year before Bob ever he even met Bob. And this was, this is like, right. Bob meets John Lear after that through Gene Huff, who brings him to his house to do a, a house appraisal. They trade it. They, they measure, you know, Bob Lazar is described as the guy there holding the tape measure, you know, measuring the house and taking the pictures and developing the, the pictures with his photo processing lab for, for Gene Huff, who were in this real estate business where he published the ads in the, in the paper in Las Vegas. And they went to John Lear's house, apparently. And when he found out, he started talking about UFOs and all this stuff. And they traded him a, a house appraisal for all his Billy

• 2:16:46Speaker 02

  Meyer stuff, all his Billy Meyer tapes. This is, this is in the history. This is them talking about where they first met and how they all got together. And, you know, it's, it's possible that Bob Lazar, you know, meets John Lear. He's working as his photo processor guy. He, he just came from Los Alamos, was working at Los Alamos for a while and then had moved to Las Vegas, where he, he's, he's just running this photo processing business and, and trying to get started out and on his feet. He, um, it's an interesting story because he, he's got the ex-wife, the ex-wife dies mysteriously. She, she, you know, that's the tailpipe in the garage, you know, the, the

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  asphyxia, asphyxia, asphyxia, asphyxiation. And then he marries, uh,

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  his other wife, Tracy. He married her when they were still, like the same time. Like when they're still alive. And then it didn't get like, it like, he did like a pseudo marriage, but then didn't actually put the paperwork and everything through till after his other wife was dead. So there's this whole weird disconnect there. And I don't believe his whole story that, you know, about him sneaking away in the middle of the night to go, uh, to go away and work on this thing. He was sneaking away because he's running a brothel and, and he has to go away at hours of the night. And, and the area 51 thing was the excuse he was giving to his wife at the time of where he had to go every night. Steve, did you find this stuff about the brothel?

• 2:18:14Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, it's called Newport Cove prostitution ring.

• 2:18:18Danny Jones?

  Okay, Bob Lazar, a figure known for his claims about alien spacecraft and his involvement in the US government, was also involved in a prostitution ring in Newport Cove, Las Vegas. According to court records, Lazar helped set up the business of a known prostitute, Tony Bullock, and took at least 50% share of her fees. He also kept computer records of customers and was interested in recruiting other women in the operation. Lazar's involvement in this ring was part of a broader pattern of criminal activity, including an illegal prostitution ring and a criminal racket involving dangerous chemicals. The case against Lazar was a felony charge of pandering and eventually pleaded guilty.

• 2:19:01Speaker 02

  So let's talk about the racket of the dangerous chemicals. So he was running, he used to run a festival called Desert Blast out in Las Vegas where everyone would come together and blow off fireworks out in the desert. It was this private event, invite-only kind of festival event. And everyone used to go out and blow off fireworks out in the desert. And around that time is when they started cracking down on a lot of the explosives. You used to be able to buy like ammonium nitrate and tons of fertilizer without, you know, any FBI record or any trail or paper trail. And then after a lot of these, you know, terrorist events and stuff,

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  they started cracking down on the ability of, you know, regular people to buy these sorts of chemicals that could be used in the manufacture of explosives or bombs, bomb-making materials essentially. And so the only people that could buy those materials or chemicals from a chemical distribution company would be if you were another chemical distribution company or a school or a university, someone with, you know, credentials to be able to buy these things. So what Bob did is he created a company called United Nuclear. And that gave him a company where he could then order all these chemicals and then sell them to people and distribute them. And that's basically how he made a lot of his money. That's basically, you know, his, that was his big thing, you know, was, was supplying

• 2:20:22Speaker 02

  a lot of, it started with just acquiring explosives materials for people for that Desert Blast Festival and then grew into a much broader business.

• 2:20:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:31Speaker 02

  And he was busted and kicked out of Las Vegas. He had to move the operation to Michigan. They got kicked out of Michigan. They've been raided and, and so this whole FBI raided him and the, his, he's been raided so many times. United Nuclear has been raided multiple, multiple times by the FBI or the ATF and the ATF for, for violations of laws for the dangerous chemicals that he, he distributes and, and yeah, so it's, and that is again enlisted.

• 2:21:00Danny Jones?

  And they claim it's because he has the element 115 or something.

• 2:21:03Speaker 02

  Well, Jeremy Corbell tried to claim that in his documentary. And that's why I just don't trust that guy. And I think that, I think that him being on Rogan six times is, and being so closely connected with counterintelligence agent Lou Elizondo, I think that, you know, Jeremy Corbell was coached by Lou and whether he realizes it or not, he, he, basically, they controlled the narrative on Joe Rogan, man. They, they, they set Joe Rogan up with, with all this stuff, man. I really feel like it. Cause you look at, you look at, you look at.

• 2:21:35Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  How did Joe Rogan, hasn't had anyone else in you, for, connected to any UFO stuff, but, but, but, but Bob Lazar.

• 2:21:42Danny Jones?

  What are you talking about, bro? He literally just had Jacques Vallée, Jesse Michaels, me. He has everybody on. He had Hal Ploff on.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  But yeah, he's had, he's had a lot of these guys on. You're right.

• 2:21:53Danny Jones?

  And to be fair, when I watched the episode with him and, and Lou Elizondo, I didn't get the sense Joe was buying a lot of his shit.

• 2:22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I know. I know. He's not buying that stuff, but man, I just, it bothers me that, that.

• 2:22:08Speaker 02

  I would just love the opportunity to debate Jeremy Corbell like, you know, he did. He gave Flint Dibble the opportunity to come on and debate Graham Hancock, you know, on the show. I would love a chance to debate Jeremy.

• 2:22:18Danny Jones?

  Let's see if we can get Jeremy in here and we'll get him to debate you in here.

• 2:22:21Speaker 02

  He won't do it. He won't do it. I guarantee you he won't. He'll run scared and he'll make up excuses. That dude is so afraid of me.

• 2:22:28Danny Jones?

  Debate him on Bob Lazar?

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  He wrote a letter to Gene Huff and told Gene Huff not to talk to me and then to completely ghost me. And Gene Huff sent me the email.

• 2:22:37Danny Jones?

  Well, we gotta get to the bottom of this. We gotta, we gotta figure out what's going on.

• 2:22:40Speaker 02

  I really feel like he's, I feel like Jeremy Corbell came from nowhere to being this UFO authority with his own show on TMZ.

• 2:22:49Danny Jones?

  That's what everybody says about everybody though. Everybody, anybody who gets any sort of notoriety or sort of like spotlight and any topic they get, everyone, everybody, you have to, you have to, you have to step back from it for a second. And just that's, that's the way most people describe most peo-, most other folks who they think there's some sort of connection to intelligence or conspiracy behind it. Like they say, oh, you got, you rise to prominence out of nowhere. That's really suspicious. I wonder how that happened. And like even, it's the same thing with me, with how everybody, um, everybody is accusing everybody online of being a CIA fed or something like that.

• 2:23:29Speaker 02

  Right. That's what Kelly Chase just did with you.

• 2:23:31Danny Jones?

  Right. And I used to do that with people.

• 2:23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:34Danny Jones?

  I used to be like, I used to think like certain podcasters or certain people like, that guy's gotta be funded by the Mossad or by CIA or whatever. And I see the same thing happening to me where all these people claiming me.

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you see the same thing happen to you and then you're like.

• 2:23:48Danny Jones?

  The cognitive dissonance is insane. And it's, if I was, the intelligence community, it only benefits them if everybody's pointing fingers at everybody else because nobody knows what's real.

• 2:24:00Speaker 02

  Well. I'm not saying that he's the, he's like, he's an egomaniac and a, you know, a pompous ignoramus.

• 2:24:09Danny Jones?

  Who?

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  Jeremy Corbell. No, no, I was, sorry. I wasn't, no, I'm not talking about, um, I was talking about Jeremy Corbell like that. So, and that's why we're really feel about Jeremy Corbell.

• 2:24:22Danny Jones?

  Like, look, there's this guy Andrew Bustamante.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  Joe, I have a lot of respect for. I have a lot of respect for Joe because he's spoke out against COVID and all that bullshit. Yeah. Everybody else wasn't and man, he's, so he's, he's one of the real ones for sure. Um, I don't, you know, and again, we, we don't all have to agree with everything all the time. And you can't be like, oh, this guy doesn't agree with me on that. So therefore he must be an agent. Cause I had the same thing the last time. I had a million views on the last podcast when I came on this podcast last. And half the comments are people, this guy's definitely a fed. Oh, come on.

• 2:24:49Danny Jones?

  A lot of those people are probably bots. A lot of these people, they just are so out of touch with stuff. They just want to talk shit. Most people, most people online just want to leave negative comments, bro. And I see it all the time. Like, if I didn't have personal experience with this stuff, I would probably be in that camp where it's like, everything's fucking evil.

• 2:25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:08Danny Jones?

  There's this guy, Andrew Bustamante, who I had on my podcast years ago.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:25:11Danny Jones?

  Everybody thinks that he's paid by the CIA to go on podcasts to promote the CIA narrative, right? And he, and it's like, that's super suspicious how he blew up like this. I think he was a plant. Let me tell you.

• 2:25:25Speaker 02

  I think the algorithms do it for you regardless.

• 2:25:27Danny Jones?

  Let me tell you the truth about how this happened.

• 2:25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:29Danny Jones?

  My friend Matt Cox, who is a true crime writer, who was in prison for mortgage fraud.

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:35Danny Jones?

  He was trying to, he wrote a book about some stuff and he used this guy, Andrew Bustamante, who lived in St. Pete, as a source for his book. He asked him, he reached out to him and said, hey, can I meet you? And get some, uh, corroboration on the story that I'm writing. And Andrew Bustamante met with him, agreed to do it. And Matt kept coming to me saying, dude, you gotta have this guy on your podcast. He's so interesting. He's handsome. He's smart. He used to be in the CIA. He'd be a great podcast for you, bro. And I was like, what? Who? I'm like, I don't, I don't give a fuck about this. I don't want to talk to this guy. What do I care?

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:07Danny Jones?

  And I wasn't interested in that stuff at the time. This was when I first started the podcast, right? Year later, he's like, dude, come on, are you ready to have him on yet? I think it'd be, I think it'd be interesting. I think you'd like him. And I was like, eh, I'll, I'll, I'll think about it. I brushed it off forever.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:20Danny Jones?

  And then one week, six months later, a year and a half later, I was like, we had a guest schedule to come in who had to reschedule last minute. I called up Matt, I'm like, hey, who's that guy, the CIA guy, the Bustamante guy? Can you get him in here or whatever? He's like, yeah, gave me his number, called him up. He's like, I'll be in there tomorrow.

• 2:26:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:35Danny Jones?

  Came in, episode blew up, did a million views in like a week. And then he started going on every single, everyone started reaching out to him.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  And he got big after he went on your podcast.

• 2:26:43Danny Jones?

  He's got good takes, so people wanted him on. He went on every podcast anyone ever asked him to go on. And he blew up.

• 2:26:49Speaker 02

  That's crazy, cause like, I went on your podcast and I'm like, where, where are all the invites? How come I'm not?

• 2:26:53Danny Jones?

  It was the most organic thing ever, but people, the narrative is that he was a plant, that he's a plant.

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:59Danny Jones?

  You know, and if I didn't have that, if I wasn't me and I had, didn't have like the real perspective of what actually happened, I would think he was a fucking plant too.

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  You know who else really blew up because of your podcast and then accused you of being a CIA agent, uh, who, and like, it was Ashton Forbes, man, that was crazy.

• 2:27:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:18Speaker 02

  Cause he like, he had posted a comment on Twitter, like unhinged saying like, oh, he was saying like, I, I have the comment that I saved. This is like the last time I was like, I'm like, I'm done with this guy now, like, cause he's, he literally said that, it must be the intelligence community you're working for that set him up on your podcast with the corridor crew guys, right? So let's set that for the record straight. Who, who told you to have Ashton Forbes on your podcast with the corridor crew? And bring those guys on with him?

• 2:27:50Danny Jones?

  That was you, right?

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  It was me. Yes. I, I contacted you and I asked you, I'm like, dude, I'm not an expert in CGI. I'm not an expert in all this stuff.

• 2:28:00Danny Jones?

  Came in, I called you and asked you your opinion on it.

• 2:28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I said.

• 2:28:02Danny Jones?

  For, for the record, any UFO person I ever have on this podcast, I always call Jeremy. To get his opinion and to get his feedback on it before I have the person in.

• 2:28:10Speaker 02

  Oh, man. They just blew up, he just blew the.

• 2:28:15Danny Jones?

  Like, like, like when I recently had, um, Greer on here.

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:28:18Danny Jones?

  Called you first and I, I wanted to.

• 2:28:20Speaker 02

  I wish you had asked him because he, he, his response to the 54 claim that they figured out anti-gravity in 54. And you pushed that a little bit and then he said, oh, it must be the Bifeld Brown effect. And then, then, then his, he ended with it's classified.

• 2:28:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:34Speaker 02

  Because it couldn't have been the Bifeld Brown effect in 54. And I want to point that out because 1956 to 1959 was Bonson Labs was funding Bifeld Brown's research. So if they had already cracked this in 54, why fund it in 56?

• 2:28:48Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense. So his narrative falls apart right there. It's gone. John Lear's father was, was in the videos of the Bonson Labs footage. He visited the lab, uh, saw those experiments. You can see Bryson Cecil do it from the 57 Chapel Hill Conference. They're there, they show up at, at Bonson Labs.

• 2:29:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:06Speaker 02

  And, and they're in the footage. It's in the archival footage from the 50s, man.

• 2:29:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:10Speaker 02

  So they couldn't have figured it out in 54, man. And if, but this is why I wish, I wished you had that to, to hit him with, but, but you, ah, it's too bad.

• 2:29:18Danny Jones?

  The strange thing about, about Greer is his connection to Danny Sheehan. How Danny Sheehan, I think, represents him and Alizondo.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  It's weird how a Jesuit priest, a high ranking Jesuit priest is so embedded in.

• 2:29:33Danny Jones?

  He's a priest? He's not a priest.

• 2:29:35Speaker 02

  He's a high ranking Jesuit, like lawyer in, I don't know if he's a priest.

• 2:29:38Danny Jones?

  He's a Jesuit, he's not a priest, he's a lawyer.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. So maybe he's a lawyer, maybe I got that wrong, but he's this, it's very interesting, like that whole connection and, you know, and I, I can't wait. You know what? I'm going in, in the paradigm.

• 2:29:50Danny Jones?

  He might be a priest. I don't know. Ask Grok.

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  Ask Grok. I thought, I thought I'd heard that, but you know, he's doing good work with the Paradigm Research Institute.

• 2:29:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:57Speaker 02

  And they're really trying to get this UAP disclosure stuff out because there's, and, and, you know, we really need is the hearings on the science and stuff. Because, you know, sitting there and talking about these UFO videos and Arrow, and it's all the wrong approach to the topic. It's the, if you want to get Congress interested in UFOs.

• 2:30:17Speaker 02

  We gotta talk money, man. Let's, let's talk dollar signs. Let's talk, let's talk technology. Let's talk future jobs. You know, what's in it for the American people? Is there an economy here? Can we declassify some of this stuff and, and, and get some jobs going? Can we boost the economy? Man, cause it, groceries and, and gas and everything out there. It's, it's a weird, it's a weird place right now to, to try to work and stay afloat, man. Paying three dollars for a soda at, at the gas station now. It's, everything's so, so expensive.

• 2:30:48Danny Jones?

  Did you see Trump's trying to get, uh, pure cane sugar back into Coke?

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  Well, I just want my five grand that he, that we were all promised like we were gonna get five grand from the government. I still haven't seen that money, you know, so I.

• 2:31:00Danny Jones?

  Five grand?

• 2:31:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were all supposed to get five grand from the government.

• 2:31:04Danny Jones?

  For what?

• 2:31:05Speaker 02

  Just for, for nothing, for like, as repay for COVID or something, I thought. But anyways, the, uh, yeah, the whole sugar back in Coke, that's a good thing, uh, you know.

• 2:31:15Danny Jones?

  Make America healthy again.

• 2:31:16Speaker 02

  Make America healthy again. We need that high, that, that high fructose corn syrup's bad stuff. It's, it's bad for your teeth. It's bad for your, you know, your heart and, and liver. So it's, it's not good.

• 2:31:26Danny Jones?

  Bro, did you hear about RFK's new pick for the head of the CDC?

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  No, I have not seen this. What is?

• 2:31:34Danny Jones?

  She's a part of allegedly DARPA's health wing.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  Didn't DARPA create the COVID vaccine?

• 2:31:42Danny Jones?

  Let me send you, I gotta send this thing to you, Steve. There's this whole thread on Twitter about this, which is absolutely benign.

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is a lot.

• 2:31:51Danny Jones?

  This lady, just look her up. Look up, um, look up RFK's pick for head of CDC.

• 2:32:01Danny Jones?

  And it'll have this, uh, it should have her name.

• 2:32:06Danny Jones?

  Let me see if I can find it. I thought I texted myself a link to this thread.

• 2:32:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, look, I'll look that up later. My, my, my wife's more all interested in all that stuff, uh, too. Because we have a, she has a vaccine in her child. And, um, so she's very outspoken on, on all that stuff.

• 2:32:24Danny Jones?

  Maybe I texted it to you, Steve.

• 2:32:27Speaker 02

  I'm looking.

• 2:32:28Danny Jones?

  I always text myself shit and I can never find it.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  Into that, uh, you know, um.

• 2:32:34Speaker 02

  Susan Monares?

• 2:32:37Danny Jones?

  Look her up. Let me see a picture of her.

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  Because I really thought we were gonna get some, you know, accountability for Fauci and, uh, and Gates.

• 2:32:48Danny Jones?

  Uh, I don't know if that's her. Did you see the Peru mummies, the three-fingered mummies they found in Peru? That with the, one had a fetus inside of it?

• 2:32:55Speaker 02

  Jaime Masson stuff, man, you know?

• 2:32:57Danny Jones?

  No, I don't think this is Jaime Masson stuff. This is a new one.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  This is a different one.

• 2:33:01Danny Jones?

  They found a different one. They found, uh, they found these three-fingered pregnant mummies. And it had thirty-two vertebrae. One had a fetus inside of it. It had big eye sockets.

• 2:33:12Speaker 02

  Well, because if I, if I had real mummies, the best thing I would do, if I had, if I knew, if they were, if I knew someone had real mummies, and, um, and I, and I knew that they were gonna come out, the best thing you could do is create fake ones and give them to a guy like Jaime Masson to bring to a UFO, uh, hearing in Mexico.

• 2:33:30Danny Jones?

  I don't think this one has anything to do with Jaime.

• 2:33:32Speaker 02

  Well, this is the interesting thing, because this is, this is a strategy, I think, but I believe was used, because that Wall Street Journal just came out with that article, uh, with that letter from Trump, right? And, and that's bullshit, you know what I mean? This is what I think, this is what I really think happened. And, and, and this is an intelligence move that's brilliant, and I think it's played over and over again. And people aren't, no one in the mainstream media has fought this or brought it up or been like, nobody should be aware of this, but there's, if someone has compromat on you, what you do is you create fake compromat, that's the same exact thing, you release it ahead of them, and then you debunk it publicly. So that way, when the real stuff comes out, everyone will be like, "Oh, I already heard this story. It's already been debunked." It loses all its news value.

• 2:34:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  It's done. So the same thing you could have done with the, the mummies, right? You could, if someone had real alien bodies, you, you put a bunch of fake ones out, and you hype people up like me with this fake stuff, and, and I got so fed up with the alien mummies that I won't even look at that stuff anymore, right? I won't even pay any attention to it anymore, because those people harass me nonstop. You're the alien scientist, how can you not think these mummies are real? Because they look fake as fuck. Because...

• 2:34:40Danny Jones?

  Well, pull up, Steve, pull up the video, the, um, the Instagram video, the alien mummies that I texted you earlier.

• 2:34:45Speaker 02

  So that's...

• 2:34:46Danny Jones?

  Because this shit is super compelling to me. This is not the same shit that Jamie was doing.

• 2:34:49Speaker 02

  Oh, this is not the one I saw.

• 2:34:50Speaker 07

  Original investigators of the three-fingered mummies became visibly emotional when he saw it. A three-fingered bean chiseled into the rock thousands of years ago. When I visited Maria, I saw no apparent signs of manipulation on the hands or the feet. One of the mummies has a fetus inside, and rumors are starting to-

• 2:35:07Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a lot better than the eggs, right?

• 2:35:09Speaker 07

  ...that images are showing the fetus to also have three fingers. I contacted the lawyer of the American scientist-

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  Oh, that's way better than the other one I saw.

• 2:35:15Speaker 07

  ...Josh McDowell, who told me that the current imaging isn't good enough to say either way whether or not the fetus has three fingers. Some notable oddities regarding the mummies. Maria has thirty-two vertebrae, while most humans have thirty-three. Not an impossible anomaly, but still notable. Maria has abnormally large eye sockets and a protruding mouth. Doctor Zuniga told me that the metal implants had organic tissue fused to them, indicating that they were alive whenever these were placed. This is a process called osseo-integration, and it takes about half a year to fully complete. If these are fake, then this would be one of the greatest hoaxes of all time. If they're real, this would be one of the greatest discoveries of all time. I'm an independent journalist-

• 2:35:55Danny Jones?

  So, allegedly, they think this is just like, I was talking to Jesse Michaels about this, and he, I think he went down there to look at this stuff, and he did a, I think he did a whole documentary he's working on.

• 2:36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, they had all those guys out at-

• 2:36:05Danny Jones?

  They think it's a, uh, just a, there, so there's twenty different species of hominids that have been discovered, right? Five of those have been discovered in the last ten years. So they think this is a new species of hominid that's just being discovered, possibly. Not necessarily, it might not be aliens-

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it could be like a Australopithecine or a Homo erectus cousin or something.

• 2:36:24Danny Jones?

  But three fingers, three fingers?

• 2:36:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's weird, yeah, tridactyl.

• 2:36:28Danny Jones?

  That's really strange, bro.

• 2:36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man, that's, again, I'm, I'm more of into the physics and the biology kind of stuff, but, uh... That one looks much better than the, the, uh, the ones we saw at the, uh, congressional-

• 2:36:43Speaker 06

  The Mexico hearing?

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  Mexico hearing, yeah.

• 2:36:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, so for, here's the, why are they always powdered? Here's the Mexico ones that they were, it turns out that they were, uh... Fraud.

• 2:36:55Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, they had a llama skull that they mutilated and turned around and yeah, there's a whole bunch of people exposed the chicken bones.

• 2:37:01Speaker 06

  Thing, I think it's very interesting because it's this first popped up in 2017, 2018 and now we're talking about it again.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:37:10Danny Jones?

  That is interesting.

• 2:37:11Speaker 02

  So this this fits into my, this fits into my thing. If you have a real thing, you're worried about getting out, you scoop it with the fake one. So that way when people see the real stuff, they they think it's the fake thing and they don't even want to pay any attention to it. And I think that that that might be possibly what happened. This is exactly what Karl Rove did with George Bush's National Guard files during the the 2000 election that that he he won, right? So they knew that those National Guard files from Texas were about to drop and a journalist was working on the story. They was about to drop it. So what Karl Rove did is he created a bunch of fake documents and then released it in a big story. They came out and debunked that story. And then when the real story hit, it it went nowhere and nobody paid attention to it. Nobody cared because they were like, oh, this has been debunked already.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  So that would be a 4D chess move by on Trump's part if he knew there in fact existed a letter between him and Epstein that was in compromising. This would be the best way to do it. And then you sue the reporter that, oh, I'm going to sue you, but I'm paying you to do this anyway. So we're, it's all, it's all for show. I I don't know. That's where I think happens.

• 2:38:15Danny Jones?

  Here's an interesting thing about the whole Trump thing, right? Elon has been, he was the first one to basically call him out, right? About he's in the Trump, he's in the Epstein files and all this stuff.

• 2:38:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:38:25Danny Jones?

  And he's still doing it. He even said Bannon's in it. So we know Trump sues anybody and everybody.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:31Danny Jones?

  Who talks shit about him.

• 2:38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:33Danny Jones?

  Or says anything that's a lie about him.

• 2:38:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:35Danny Jones?

  His eyes. Why didn't he sue Elon?

• 2:38:38Speaker 02

  Why didn't he sue Elon?

• 2:38:40Danny Jones?

  Why didn't he sue Elon?

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  Why is there that case that was thrown out with the 14 year old girl, Katie there?

• 2:38:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:48Speaker 02

  With him and Epstein.

• 2:38:49Danny Jones?

  The 2016 case.

• 2:38:51Speaker 02

  Nobody's really talking about that and stuff. So I mean, is it possible? Yeah, it it makes a lot of sense that everyone in the whole system is compromised and and under the same kind of, under the same kind of umbrella, this octopus.

• 2:39:06Danny Jones?

  I think that's, that's the most likely scenario.

• 2:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it, I think it, it makes sense with what's.

• 2:39:12Danny Jones?

  Is it possible that Trump called his lawyers when Epstein dropped all this shit? And his lawyer said, we can't do that because then they're gonna call discovery. And they're gonna have to bring all this evidence into discovery. And you don't want that.

• 2:39:29Danny Jones?

  Is that possible? Or would it be sealed anyways?

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  Again, I don't, I, I don't know all the exact circumstances, but I really think that there's much more going on there. Especially when Elon said that, when Elon said it, I've been saying it first. I, I said this back in, right when Epstein killed himself. I was like, this is.

• 2:39:50Danny Jones?

  You think, you think he killed himself?

• 2:39:51Speaker 02

  I'll, actually, when it first happened, I, I was, you know, thinking that they, they snuck him out of there alive.

• 2:39:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:39:58Speaker 02

  And the way that I would do it, if, if I was an intelligence operation is I would give him detrototoxin. And then he would register as dead, just like the, this is the, this is the pufferfish chemical that, that, that voodoo people use.

• 2:40:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  Right? Where they put the goat to sleep and then it comes back from the dead, the zombie goats.

• 2:40:16Danny Jones?

  It paralyzes you. Yeah.

• 2:40:17Speaker 02

  It paralyzes your nervous system and then you, but you're not dead.

• 2:40:20Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 2:40:22Speaker 02

  And so they could have given him the detrototoxin, um, the pufferfish toxin and, and then pronounced him dead at the hospital. And then when he goes to the morgue, they do a body switch and then boom, he goes to Israel in some secret bunker somewhere. And, and, uh, yeah, so he very well could still be alive. There's no proof of what happened to him and they covered up those two minutes of the tape. They proved that it was edited in Adobe Premiere and.

• 2:40:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, they did. Did they actually, did they actually prove that, Steve?

• 2:40:51Speaker 06

  They found the metadata to show that, I'll find the article, but basically it looked like it was not original.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  That's some crazy stuff, man.

• 2:41:06Danny Jones?

  Is it possible that he's still alive and living in Leslie Wexner's house in Ohio?

• 2:41:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't, I don't know about that.

• 2:41:12Danny Jones?

  Have you seen a picture of Leslie Wexner's house in Ohio? It's the size of a fucking city. And he's got a pool that's the size of a small ocean. Look up a, yeah, find a photo of that.

• 2:41:25Speaker 02

  And where's all the photos from the inside of the, I wanna, I wanna know about.

• 2:41:28Danny Jones?

  Also, I mean, the photo that they released of his cell right after he allegedly killed himself is not the same cell that's in the video footage. It's a completely different part of the prison.

• 2:41:42Danny Jones?

  It's just so strange, bro. It's so strange. There's.

• 2:41:46Speaker 02

  Wesley Wexler?

• 2:41:47Danny Jones?

  Leslie, Les Wexner. L E S W E X N E R.

• 2:41:55Danny Jones?

  His first name is Leslie. It's top left, top left. That's it.

• 2:41:58Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 2:41:59Danny Jones?

  Not Wesley. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Blow that bitch up.

• 2:42:06Danny Jones?

  Why did it get caught?

• 2:42:07Speaker 02

  He's like Lex Luthor, is what I call him.

• 2:42:09Danny Jones?

  That's his house in Ohio.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  It's like a convent.

• 2:42:12Danny Jones?

  It's insane. So he could, Epstein could totally be there, bro. And then there's also all these, Israel brings in all these piles to escape perjury, to escape their convictions there. There's like all these articles of how Israel basically is sheltering people that have been convicted of crimes involving pedophilia.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  Just amazing that our, our justice department's doing the same thing.

• 2:42:37Danny Jones?

  And right after he got, right after he got convicted, he literally went to Israel.

• 2:42:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:44Danny Jones?

  He, he was in Israel the whole time. And then he shuttled all of his money to Israel as well.

• 2:42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:51Danny Jones?

  And then gave Leslie Wexner, sent him like 54 million or something like this. How the hell did he get away with that shit, dude?

• 2:43:00Danny Jones?

  Is this the video about the stuff being modified?

• 2:43:02Speaker 02

  Well, it's not a video. It's just a showing that the metadata was definitely modified.

• 2:43:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:43:06Speaker 02

  Likely.

• 2:43:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, again, that that prison, something happened then. And when it happened, I was like convinced that, you know, Trump was part of the whole Epstein thing. And I was saying that, you know, that there's all these pictures of Trump with Epstein, like, I'm convinced that he's part of this, that he's down with this. And I had a bunch of close friends of mine. They were like, dude, no, Trump's good. He kicked, he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. He didn't want nothing to do with Epstein or any of this stuff. I'm like, dude, he was at his house like three days a week, like in New York and like, you know, what, who do I believe? But I had all these people telling me, you know, my good friends of mine and stuff too, like telling me, don't, don't, don't pick that, you know, just leave, just stay away from that. And, and I did, I did, I backed off it. Maybe I shouldn't have, but no, people weren't ready to hear that back then either. So

• 2:43:54Speaker 02

  it's, it's, uh,

• 2:43:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's a catch 22 we're in because like I said in the beginning to Tim Dillon take that it's this country is basically pick your favorite pile. This pile aligns with my views. This pile's for stopping climate change. It's like, would we be, like, would the country be better if Kamala won? I don't know. I don't think so.

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:44:16Danny Jones?

  I don't know. Is Trump, Trump's not doing anything that he said. I mean, he's continuing the wars. But the problem is, is he is most, it seems like, again, not making any accusations, but it seems like he is just bending over backwards for Netanyahu.

• 2:44:31Speaker 02

  And well, Wall Street too. He's got, you know, he's got Howard Lutnick on his right arm.

• 2:44:36Danny Jones?

  If you wanna, if you wanna go by Occam's razor, we know Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli access agent.

• 2:44:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:44Danny Jones?

  And Trump's doing all of Israel's bidding. It's fucking, it's, it's pretty out in the open.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think you're right, you know? And when I first looked into whole, like the 9/11 stuff, there's, I was just, I thought that the Israel connection was like, you know, antisemitic. I grew up right near Sharon, Mass. And I have a lot of Jewish friends, you know?

• 2:45:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so do I. I grew up among tons of Jewish people. I have tons of Jewish friends.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  And I was just like, this is all antisemitism. I didn't, you know?

• 2:45:14Danny Jones?

  No, it's antisemitism. This is, this is, here's, here's a great Julian Dory take.

• 2:45:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:19Danny Jones?

  Just you can't calling Jewish people or Israelis anti calling.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not the same.

• 2:45:25Danny Jones?

  They don't, they don't believe they're against everything Netanyahu and his government is doing.

• 2:45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:30Danny Jones?

  It's the same thing as saying that me and you are associated with Dick Cheney and George Bush. Right? Me and you want nothing to do with those people. We're still Americans. Like Netanyahu is like, he got like what 25%, 30%?

• 2:45:43Speaker 02

  That's the thing is because the Jewish state of Israel, it doesn't, the corruption exists at the top of this pyramid within this and these groups that literally operate through blackmail networks. So it's in order to put people in power and everyone in power is blackmailed and by these groups. But then who's really controlling it behind the scenes? Is it, is it really just these 13 banking families of the Illuminati that have been controlling all, everything for the last 2,000 years through the Knights Templar and all the, these secret societies? Or is, you know, or is it, is it aliens? What is it? Who's controlling? Who's really controlling the government? Cause I mean.

• 2:46:22Danny Jones?

  Interdimensional child molesters. They're turning the frogs gay. It was true.

• 2:46:28Speaker 02

  You know, with the atrazine, you know?

• 2:46:31Danny Jones?

  How the hell, how the hell did Alex Jones predict 9/11?

• 2:46:35Speaker 02

  So he was listening to Bill Cooper. Bill Cooper was predicted at first, you know? Um, William Cooper, uh, knew all about this stuff. He was saying, you know, Osama Bin Laden is going to hit this country and don't, you know? So I think that he, uh, I think he might've got it from Bill Cooper. And, uh, also I know Ted, I don't know, Ted Gunderson was one of Alex Jones's big sources on a lot of that stuff for, for a number of years too. Former FBI agent Ted Gunderson. I'm not sure where Alex got it from. I would, I would, I'd be interested. Has anyone ever asked him that question where he, where he got the foreknowledge?

• 2:47:08Danny Jones?

  Probably.

• 2:47:09Speaker 02

  To predict that?

• 2:47:10Danny Jones?

  The thing with Alex Jones is he just, he throws so much shit at the wall.

• 2:47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, he does.

• 2:47:15Danny Jones?

  Something's bound to stick every once in a while.

• 2:47:17Speaker 02

  You know, that was the.

• 2:47:18Danny Jones?

  I'm sure he got, no one pays attention to the, you know, I'm sure he gets a ton of shit wrong. But you only pay attention when he gets shit right, right? Like he got the fucking.

• 2:47:26Speaker 02

  Well, look at Nostradamus. He made a lot of, a lot of predictions, you know? But people like, oh, well, he was made some right ones. So it must be.

• 2:47:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:34Speaker 02

  But, um, I think, uh, I think it's whiskey time.

• 2:47:38Danny Jones?

  You want some whiskey?

• 2:47:39Speaker 02

  I think, well dude, it's time to, it's time to, uh, it's time to like-

• 2:47:44Danny Jones?

  We can get you some-

• 2:47:44Speaker 02

  Well, I was saying, you offered it to me first.

• 2:47:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'll go grab it.

• 2:47:48Speaker 02

  We'll wind this down.

• 2:47:49Danny Jones?

  I'll go grab it, I'll be right back.

• 2:47:51Speaker 02

  Alright, we're back, man.

• 2:47:53Danny Jones?

  There you go, sir.

• 2:47:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, not too much, not too much, just a little, just a taste, you know? I just want a little sip to get it. This is how Joe Rogan does it on the show.

• 2:48:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:06Speaker 02

  And I'm-

• 2:48:06Danny Jones?

  Except he smokes cigars, we're not allowed to smoke cigars in here.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  You know, and that's too bad, cause I-

• 2:48:10Danny Jones?

  We'll be allowed to in the new place.

• 2:48:12Speaker 02

  Well, you're gonna have to have me on again, bro.

• 2:48:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, of course.

• 2:48:15Speaker 02

  And I brought you some of the, uh, I brought you some, um, bud from the best dispensary in Rhode Island.

• 2:48:21Danny Jones?

  Did you really?

• 2:48:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:22Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:48:23Speaker 02

  Mother Earth.

• 2:48:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, thank you.

• 2:48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mother Earth and Patuckes, and I got you some real good buds, so we'll indulge in that after the show. I wish we could, uh, now, but that's alright, we'll, uh-

• 2:48:35Danny Jones?

  Cheers.

• 2:48:36Speaker 02

  Cheers, and, um, yeah, so, man.

• 2:48:44Speaker 02

  I guess you're right, and, and, you know, I've, I've, I've-

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  It is a little bit of jealousy, I think, when you see some of these other people get on these shows, and you've been doing this so long, and you know so much more than these people, and you're like, how the hell did this person, like, succeed? And they're just, you know, they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

• 2:49:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:49:06Speaker 02

  That, that's, uh, an issue, but, and then, guys like,

• 2:49:12Speaker 02

  we're saying about, you know, getting accused of yourselves being, and you, people saying that you're a useful idiot, or that I'm a useful idiot, or that I'm a gatekeeper because I work with this engineering and physics group to, you know, basically vet and verify exotic technologies or free energy devices. And I guess it's like- So I could see how some people could perceive it that way, but at the end of the day, you need real scientists to verify stuff because there's so many people making bullshit claims on the internet. How, how can you know that what's real or what's not without, without experimental verification? And some sort of sounding board or authority to, you know, obviously there's problems with that.

• 2:49:56Speaker 02

  A lot of people have problems with the authorities in science, you know? It's, it's the topic of many podcasts. All the scientists are lying to us, the government's lying to us, all this stuff. So how do we find the truth in a, in a world where everyone's lying to us? Everyone's trying to deceive us. Everyone's trying to give us bad information or lead us down a wrong path. I think it's a very difficult place to be and especially when there are powerful people who pay, you know, entire organizations, large amounts of money to cover up the truth is like, that's what we saw happen with, with Arrow. What, um, UAP GURB uncovered with Arrow is that they gave like $30 million to a company

• 2:50:40Speaker 02

  called Sandcorp, which specializes in perception management and, and running, you know, bot farms and stuff like that. Wow. So that was a really weird find in the contracts and I, that was a real eye opener for me personally. And the other eye opener was that, you know, Arrow was set up, it was run by Kirkpatrick, but Kirkpatrick reported to Multrie, Ronald Multrie, who was that, that was the, the black guy from the first Pentagon hearing with, with Scott Bray, right? And turns out Multrie scrubbed his resume before that press conference, that UAP hearing. And he, what he removed from his resume was all his past work for Batel, that he was, you know, an employee of Batel, a direct, maybe even a director of Batel, I think.

• 2:51:25Speaker 02

  And, um, Batel, of course, is the legacy program that everyone accuses of being the, the grandfather of the UFO cover up because they made the most classified components of the atomic bomb, the, the demon cores, you know, the plutonium core at the center of the atomic bomb. They were the metallurgists, they had the metallurgy experts to do all that. And They're the company, if you found UFO metals and or materials in 1947, they would be the ones you'd call, right? It makes sense that it would go to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, the the the top of the command there and and then outsource it from Wright Patterson to nearby Dayton, Ohio at Batel

• 2:52:10Speaker 02

  with the metallurgy experts, the guys that were experts in the titanium alloys for tank armor. And you have the stuff that you don't know what it is. Well, they hired a scientist right in 49. It's all in the papers and he Elroy Center. And in the papers, he creates a method for dissolving pieces of

• 2:52:31Speaker 02

  in carbon tetra chloride.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  Sorry. Yeah, carbon tetra chloride, which is, you know, super powerful chlorine. And

• 2:52:42Speaker 02

  they'd only develop something like that if you had something that was indestructible that you wanted to to be able to identify because they basically you you dissolve it in this stuff and then you measure the off gases. You burn it and you measure the off gases and you can tell what it's made out of. And

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  that was in the papers in 49 of what Batel was developing for all this stuff. And Elroy Center told MUFON directors in like in the 80s that he was hired by Batel to work on UFO technology and given pieces of metals which he thought were not from this world, which is crazy to think that this is somewhere. They're learning what they can from this stuff slowly through the scientists. They've figured out that, you know, metamaterials, they figured out quasi crystals. A lot of this nanotechnology is based on the actual quantum structure of how these things are put together. And they gain a lot of their properties for how they're put together. And it a lot of the science we're under from what I understand,

• 2:53:43Speaker 02

  how a lot of this more advanced physics works is is really understanding the the true nature of of quantum entanglement. And that's something that, you know, Bryce Doitt, again, with

• 2:53:56Speaker 02

  Do it and Wheeler, John Archibald Wheeler, who was a metallurgist, did a lot of work for Betel during those times. These guys were the foundational in setting up a lot of the the framework of that early physics. They they came up with the idea to explain to explain quantum entanglement. They came up with the idea of quantum non-locality. Quantum non-locality says that in the quantum world, there's no space. It's all just a it's all a function of the same stuff. And that everything's connected on the quantum level over vast distances across the universe. It's all connected. Quantumly that we're all connected, basically,

• 2:54:35Speaker 02

  quantumly. And that if you can entangle something, it doesn't matter if it's just separated by huge distances, you could essentially create a wormhole through space. This E R equals E P R entanglement Einstein Rosenbridge equals the Einstein Podolsky Rosen paradox in physics, which is the E P R paradox. And the solution to that is that you create an Einstein Rosenbridge. And then the idea is that if you can do that, you can you could potentially warp, drive, and teleport stuff. So the there's definitely been scientists looking into this stuff and,

• 2:55:16Speaker 02

  you know, the Lockheed matter wave patents, the that stuff is all is all very real. I just don't know how deep it goes and how much of it is is is out there to convince the public that we have stuff that we don't really have. But then then you look at that F47 with all the the metamaterial coatings, the the smooth surfaces and stuff. And you got to wonder, man, they got to have some stuff, man. What do you think about Catherine Fitz?

• 2:55:47Danny Jones?

  You know who she is?

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's like a bush economist or something, right?

• 2:55:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, she's a bush economist who basically said that all the missing money, starting with Donald Rumsfeld, talking about it before nine eleven, the missing two trillion, and now it's ballooned to twenty one trillion. She's been trying to find what where that is. And she thinks she saw, she noticed as soon as all that money started missing, at the same time, all these offshore accounts started ballooning at the same time.

• 2:56:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:56:10Danny Jones?

  So she thinks that because that stuff's missing from the receipts, she doesn't think it's just missing. She thinks it's just not being accounted for because it's going to black projects. And she thinks that that could potentially be, the money possibly went to some sort of like dark physics programs, anti-gravity stuff, UFOs. Um, she, you know, her overarching theory on this is that the central bankers, the people that run the globe, basically, uh, are using all this money to try to figure out how to create a, um, a breakaway civilization in case of like a cataclysm or something like this, so they can escape the earth. And, uh,

• 2:56:49Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing that's dangerous, man. I, I was a little worried about coming on and talking about all this, these nine eleven connections and all this stuff, because if all this stuff comes out, these people have underground bunkers, they have railway systems, they have the Denver airport with all this underground stuff. They have a whole doomsday plan. They could just flip a switch and go into their bunkers, man, if shit really gets crazy and hits the fan, and they think they're all going down. I, I don't know what these people are capable of. They've had billions of dollars untraced and unaccounted for for decades, and they've been doing all the secret stuff that, I mean, goes back to this whole core government group. Peter Dale Scott wrote about it, the, the continuity of government program.

• 2:57:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:57:31Speaker 02

  And that group was in Dallas and, and operate, you know, ready to go into action should, you know, Johnson and Kennedy both go down. Uh, they had a whole system ready to go up and in place to, to, you know, to ensure there was a government. And who runs that government? And who's in, in charge of all that? And, um, and then a lot of that goes back again to, to the four eighty, four hundred and eighty eighth intelligence squadron. And um Stratcom, which is you know, and and NORAD.

• 2:58:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:58:02Speaker 02

  Um Northcom, all that stuff. It's it's all connected to this network. They have all these secret places where they can fly the president to.

• 2:58:10Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the doomsday plane?

• 2:58:11Speaker 02

  The doomsday planes. They were the doomsday planes were flying on nine eleven. So the people in charge of the money at the Pentagon are interesting because those.

• 2:58:19Danny Jones?

  Pull up the doomsday plane.

• 2:58:21Speaker 02

  The E four B. And those planes were spotted over the Pentagon on nine eleven.

• 2:58:26Danny Jones?

  Were they?

• 2:58:27Speaker 02

  The E four B. And that doesn't take off unless, you know.

• 2:58:29Danny Jones?

  They're shielded for nuclear blasts. They're they're uh able to withstand a nuclear blast and all the radiation and stuff like this. They're like super shielded. And they actually have these antennas that they can drop outside the plane, that they can drag these antennas outside the plane so that in the case that all like satellites and there's like an EMP effect. These these uh lines that they drop out of the plane can somehow like tap into uh some sort of like radio frequency where they can actually communicate with the outside world and like broadcast stuff.

• 2:59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. So when you talk about the Pentagon and the financial parts of all this, because nine nine eleven was a financial crime. I'm absolutely convinced with the 2.3 trillion that was missing that you just pointed out. The the people in charge at the Pentagon, you have uh the comptroller of the Pentagon, Dobzakheim. He ran a company called Systems Planning Corporation International. Systems Planning Corporation International had a subsidiary called Try Data Corporation. And if you look up the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

• 2:59:38Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:59:38Speaker 02

  The official report of the structural um the integrity of the building after the bombing took place, they had the engineers come in, assess all the damage that was done, figure out how big the bomb was, how much damage it did. And then they did assess the damage and then um modified the building and repaired the building. They repaired the building.

• 2:59:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:59:59Speaker 02

  Um so in order to do that, they had to have gotten access to all the blueprints and all the engineering details of the building. So they knew exactly from 1993 how to build, how to bring those those towers down. And that was the company uh Try Data Corp, which was a subsidiary of SBC, which the owner of that company was the comptroller of the Pentagon on nine eleven. So. These connections are very curious when you're looking at the financial crimes of 9/11. You're taking into account all the CEOs that worked in the towers that day that missed work. And there wasn't just, it wasn't just Larry Silverstein and Howard Lutnick. Yeah. You had Jim Pierce of Aon Corporation. He had all three, the leadership at Marshawn McLennan, which was the big one.

• 3:00:43Speaker 02

  Cause Craig Stapleton is the vice president, the president of Marshawn McLennan. He's a good friends with the Bush, with George W. Bush. They were, they were involved in the Texas Rangers deal together. They're very well-connected. You also have El Paul Bremer, who misses work the day of 9/11 to go on MSNBC and tell everyone that Osama bin Laden was responsible and also possibly Iraq and Iran. Very early on, before anyone knew what was going on, he's like the guy telling the whole official narrative on mainstream TV. He goes on to become the Iraq War Occupation Governor. Okay, the, Bush had first picked, his first pick was gonna be Bernard Kerik.

• 3:01:28Speaker 02

  Bernard Kerik was the New York City Police Commissioner on 9/11. So that's a whole nother interesting rabbit hole because Bernard Kerik is connected to, of course Rudy Giuliani. They're the guys that hyped up Trump for January 6th. They're the ones that hyped up January 6th. They were the, Kerik and Rudy Giuliani were the two main cheerleaders for the whole January 6th thing. And then Rudy Giuliani's got all these weird connections because he started out as a New York City prosecutor, okay? And the case, the last case that he prosecuted for the state of New York was the state's case against BCCI, the Bank of Credit and Commerce International. Epstein's connected to them.

• 3:02:10Speaker 02

  Which is of course the whole Iran-Contra network. That Epstein was connected to. Yep. And then... So who who's in charge of the prosecution against that case? Rudy Giuliani? That case fails, it doesn't go anywhere. Rudy Giuliani quits the prosecutorship and he goes to work for a law firm called White and Case. Now, White and Case was the law firm that represented BCCI during the hearings. Is that a conflict of interest? If you're a prosecutor, you've botched a case and then you go work for the people that on the other side? I mean, isn't this the whole issue that lots of people had with Maureen Comey being the prosecutor in both the Epstein cases?

• 3:02:50Danny Jones?

  And Diddy?

• 3:02:50Speaker 02

  And the Diddy cases?

• 3:02:52Danny Jones?

  Didn't she just get fired?

• 3:02:53Speaker 02

  She should have been arrested. That's not enough. That's bullshit. Fire her? She should be arrested and charged, man. This is conspiracy on the utmost level to cover up massive crimes, man.

• 3:03:03Danny Jones?

  Hmm. It's it's so weird that the the whole connection to the Diddy thing.

• 3:03:10Danny Jones?

  You know, like, because the Diddy thing, I don't see any sort of um any sort of like benefit for intelligence. I mean, maybe I'm missing something, but the Diddy thing is, to me, it seems like it was like a big distraction. You know, because

• 3:03:22Speaker 02

  Almost.

• 3:03:23Danny Jones?

  The Epstein thing was legitimate underage kids. They're right, like these, these, they were trafficking underage girls like in the fourteen.

• 3:03:32Speaker 02

  When I saw the big news article with the FBI raid where they had seized forty thousand bottles of baby oil from Diddy's. I was like, this is bullshit.

• 3:03:40Danny Jones?

  Right. And here's like the thing about the thing about the Diddy thing, which is again, so this is this is a Gavin Mcginnis take, which I fully agree with.

• 3:03:50Danny Jones?

  The whole thing about Diddy is

• 3:03:54Danny Jones?

  they had parties and these girls were of age. They weren't underage girls and they were going there on their own. It's the same thing with Harvey Weinstein. It's like they got the the

• 3:04:06Danny Jones?

  they didn't ask the girls like, OK, what kind of cage were you locked in? Oh, you weren't locked in a cage, you were going home every night. Oh, that's interesting. Well, what did the what did the police say then? Oh, you didn't go to the police? Like, get the fuck out of here.

• 3:04:17Speaker 02

  It's people looking for attention after the fact.

• 3:04:20Danny Jones?

  Diddy was doing this shit. I don't care what fucking male prostitute you had to drink off his back. Like, I assumed you were doing all that stuff. Like, show me an underage girl that is forced into having sex with somebody and then I'm pissed off. Then you murder them and bury them under the prison, right?

• 3:04:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:40Danny Jones?

  If it's some Jeffrey Epstein type shit. But the Diddy parties like Get the fuck out of here. I don't want to hear about that.

• 3:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, if it's consensual and it's like.

• 3:04:50Danny Jones?

  These are people that are trying to get, they're, they're, they're in Hollywood.

• 3:04:54Speaker 02

  But what about wealthy?

• 3:04:55Danny Jones?

  They're trying to climb the ladder of wealth and fame. It's like the Harvey Weinstein thing, another Gavin Mcginnis take, which I think is, I think is unpopular, but it's great.

• 3:05:01Speaker 02

  Modern day slavery.

• 3:05:03Danny Jones?

  It's like, it's like, uh, uh, what was the, the lady who accused Weinstein of, uh, making her blow him? She's like, he made me suck his, cause, cause if I didn't, I wouldn't get the role in the movie. Well, what would you do if Harvey Weinstein said, suck my, I'll give you a role in the movie? Oh, well, I guess I'll find another trade. Guess I won't be in a bunch of movies.

• 3:05:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:05:23Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 3:05:24Speaker 02

  Right. You have that choice, right? I guess. You know, I, you could sell your soul, uh, sell your, you know, your body, uh. But it, again, there prostitution is illegal and there's a certain aspect of like, where it's almost like a modern day slavery. It's like they're taking these poor people that want to be part of this, you know, bigger group and, and, and get out of that, their situation and they, they like, they're taking advantage of those people.

• 3:05:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's shitty.

• 3:05:53Speaker 02

  Looking for an opportunity. It's, it's not, it's not the best thing, but it's not, it's not as bad as blackmailing our politicians who write our laws and, and, and, you know, run our country. That's, that's a whole nother level of, um, corruption and, and evil. You know, that takes a whole nother level to, then use, use that compromat to, um, manipulate, you know, politics and manipulate world, world affairs.

• 3:06:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, and, and it, it, public opinion is not doing for, for as, as good as Israel is in espionage. And the Mossad being the number one intelligence agency in the world and being so effective at doing everything they do, they really are bad at PR. Because the, the public sentiment against Israel right now, the discourse online, it could never be, it's never been worse, in my opinion.

• 3:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:06:46Danny Jones?

  I don't know how much of it's bots. I don't know how much of it's organic. I've seen a lot of it does seem inorganic, but like, people are more aware now than ever of all of the things, you know, every way that America is bending over for Israel. Like sending them billions of dollars every year, not making them register as a foreign agent with their lobby in Congress, and not telling them to stop blackmailing our politicians.

• 3:07:12Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 3:07:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:14Danny Jones?

  And, and Trump, he, he is like, it's so

• 3:07:20Danny Jones?

  out of character for him because he's usually able to like, take the temperature of the public. And he can read the people and, and on any issue. But it seems like with this Israel issue and this Epstein issue, he's like just deaf, deaf, blind and dumb to it. It's like he's not, it seems maybe now he's like, okay, all the public pressure, we're finally gonna release this stuff. I don't know what exactly he said, but I think he said they're finally gonna try to release all, he's gonna ask Pam Bondi to release all this stuff.

• 3:07:47Speaker 02

  He's calling it a Democrat hoax.

• 3:07:48Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. It's the Democrats, the liberal, the far left, they created the Epstein files. Yeah.

• 3:07:54Speaker 02

  Dividing people over the issue as much as he can to try to split people up on their, but, but really, a lot of people.

• 3:08:01Danny Jones?

  They're both compromised. I'm sorry, the left and the right, everybody's compromised. It's a uniparty. And everybody, everybody's in those Epstein files.

• 3:08:08Speaker 02

  Well, I come from, you know, demo hell up in, in Rhode Island and I, a lot of Democrats in my family are, we're united on this whole issue of the Epstein files and getting the truth out about this. It's, it's like a unifying issue for both parties. So the fact that he's trying to divide, he's just divided his whole base up, even Tim Poole and, and Alex Jones, they're all like,

• 3:08:32Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:08:33Speaker 02

  They're all denouncing him and, and.

• 3:08:35Danny Jones?

  Tucker, who campaigned, basically campaigned for him. Rogan, Rogan endorsed him. Rogan's calling it out. Rogan's questioning it. I mean.

• 3:08:43Speaker 02

  Tucker's doing great work with Kurt Weldon on and, and having all these, these.

• 3:08:49Danny Jones?

  See the interview that he did with Ted Cruz?

• 3:08:51Speaker 02

  I didn't see that one yet. No.

• 3:08:53Danny Jones?

  You gotta watch that one. That was pretty, pretty eye opening.

• 3:08:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, huh? I have to check that out next. Yeah.

• 3:08:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Ted Cruz basically said that like the, his number one goal in Congress was to support and push forward the goals of Israel.

• 3:09:06Speaker 02

  Wow. Yeah. Well, it's, it's sort of, it's sort of crazy how.

• 3:09:13Speaker 02

  Where all this stuff ended up and definitely Israel was involved with Robert Maxwell. He was, they were, you know, key to his whole, I mean, how did they get, how did they steal the promised software and then get it to Robert Maxwell? And there's so many connections there and then they're trying to, you know, cut all these threads and blur all the lines so that people can't make these connections and really put all this together. And, and then also really hit us hard with the bad economy so that everyone's, you know, struggling so bad, they don't have time to, to really look at anything else, but, you know, their, their own affairs.

• 3:09:47Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:09:48Speaker 02

  So it's, it's a, it's a really crazy time right now to be alive. It's just not seeing all this come to a head and I just imagine what all these, you know, people of the past would think looking at this now, you know? You know what I mean? Like the people that are like, oh, this will never come out and now that they see, they didn't predict the internet. I don't even think that the, the intelligence agencies really realized the power of the internet when they, when they gave it to the public.

• 3:10:15Danny Jones?

  When they created it?

• 3:10:16Speaker 02

  Well, they created it. They didn't, when they created it, certainly they didn't realize the power of it because they would never have let it out to the public if they, if they did. You know, they would have never let us have this, you know, they would, it would have kept it just for themselves, you know? And now they're really trying to create this internet too with the net neutrality, the censorship stuff and the algorithmic, you know, corralling and shadow banning of, of a lot of the, the material, you know? It doesn't show up in the algorithms, certain key words are censored as we talked about with it, with the AI and you try to search certain stuff, it's like it won't connect those dots or purposely severs those lines until you ask it specific questions and then it's like, oh yeah, I was wrong. I made a mistake.

• 3:10:58Speaker 02

  Did you really make a mistake or did something or someone program you, you know, to do that? And that's, that's, that's certainly an interesting question to look at and something we should do more of in this, in the future is, is finding those, you know, those threads that, that the AI has been programmed to cut. Cause it's, there's going to be a lot of interesting connections there. But, um, man, what else, what else, what else should we get into, man? We covered a lot of stuff.

• 3:11:33Danny Jones?

  I think we covered a fucking ton, bro. I, I don't know what else there is.

• 3:11:40Speaker 02

  I um, did wanna talk a little bit about.

• 3:11:52Speaker 02

  You know, what happens if someone in my group, right? I have all these engineers and physicists who, working with private investors to try to produce anti-gravity or free energy devices. What would I do tomorrow if, say, you know, someone in my group cracked this stuff? And we're like, dude, we got it, we figured this out. What do I do at that point? How would I get that out to the public without it being suppressed or?

• 3:12:18Danny Jones?

  Without getting whacked?

• 3:12:19Speaker 02

  Without getting whacked, yeah.

• 3:12:22Speaker 02

  How? That's what I wanna know.

• 3:12:23Danny Jones?

  Have you thought about it?

• 3:12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've thought a lot about it. Cause we've been working on this, this is what I've been working towards for the last like decade.

• 3:12:29Danny Jones?

  What do you think you would do?

• 3:12:32Speaker 02

  Well, I'd have to like simultaneously release it through as many trusted podcasts and other contacts as possible, like simultaneously, I think. I'd have to like give a copy to you, give a copy to, you know, um, everyone I know, you know? And say, hey, you know, if anything happens to me, this is why, you know, or something, you know? I, I feel like.

• 3:12:56Speaker 02

  I feel like.

• 3:12:58Speaker 02

  It might happen, you know? What happens in the next, you know, couple of months if we get a successful experiment in one of these things? Like, how do I bring that out to people and show it?

• 3:13:10Danny Jones?

  Isn't there some sort of law that exists to where like the government can claim ownership of like some sort of new discovery or like some sort of new scientific revelation?

• 3:13:22Speaker 02

  Yes, so um, the trading in, with the Enemies Act, it's uh, also the, there's a

• 3:13:30Speaker 02

  a law called um.

• 3:13:34Speaker 02

  Sorry, I'm drawing a blank, I need a, I need another.

• 3:13:39Danny Jones?

  Get some of that truth serum.

• 3:13:40Speaker 02

  Alright, so.

• 3:13:44Speaker 02

  There's, the law is actually ITAR, International Traffic in Arms Regulation, right? ITAR or ETAR. And uh. It's. Export control technology, you know, it's export control laws is what it's basically, it's like, you're not allowed. To. Export.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  Classified details of of technical information and stuff. Of course, if we found this in our labs and created it in our own lab, it wouldn't be classified, so to speak, right? Right. But

• 3:14:25Speaker 02

  there are still laws that exist. They can come in and scoop in on on something like that and say, no, no, no, no, no. This is this is too dangerous to let out. We're gonna we're gonna put the kibosh on this. And actually, you know, what's interesting is that all of our national labs have patent holding companies

• 3:14:44Speaker 02

  that operate. And so like if scientists working on our labs make a discovery, they can they can capture those discoveries or patents and and hold it inside these holding companies. Right. And all of our national labs are managed by Batel Memorial Institute. They manage most all of our now. I think there's one.

• 3:15:06Speaker 02

  You know, Lincoln Labs, I don't think is managed by Batel. There's a couple of those ones that aren't. But most all of our national labs like Oak Ridge, Los Alamos, San Diego, they're all managed by Batel. And so if someone discovers something remarkable or revolutionary at these labs, they're gonna come in and scoop that technology up and suppress it. Right. And so that's why we've like, oh, we'll create this independent group of scientists. And we'll try to get, you know, to figure out as much about these technologies as we can and see if we can't replicate this in the public domain and and get it out to the public so that, you know, we can declassify, get the ball rolling on disclosure and declassification and stuff. Because, man, I really wanna live in a future where my kids can go to other planets

• 3:15:50Speaker 02

  and and they don't have they have something more to look forward to than

• 3:15:57Speaker 02

  you know, living in this world where where where we treat children the way we do. Yeah.

• 3:16:05Speaker 02

  It's

• 3:16:05Danny Jones?

  If you think they're covering up all this secret stuff and they figured out a lot of it, why do you think they're still hiding it? What do you think they're trying to? What do you think their goal is?

• 3:16:14Speaker 02

  Their goal is, of course, like, from a strategic standpoint, is, you know, the same reason that the Greeks didn't disclose, the Byzantines didn't disclose the Greek fire, right? They didn't, the Greek fire is still a secret. We don't really understand or know.

• 3:16:30Danny Jones?

  What is the Greek fire?

• 3:16:32Speaker 02

  Greek fire? Look it up. It's, it's this substance. They think it was a refined petroleum oil, like gasoline or kerosene mixed with some other, some other things. But they don't know the exact recipe. And they were never able to figure it out. But the, the Greek fire was, the Greeks and the Byzantines used to have this flamethrowers, ancient flamethrowers.

• 3:16:59Danny Jones?

  Can you find a description, Steve?

• 3:17:00Speaker 02

  And

• 3:17:03Speaker 02

  I think it was, it had, very similar to gasoline because it like, it would float, it was, it was very effective against ships at sea because the fire would float on top of the water and it would burn on top of water. You know?

• 3:17:17Danny Jones?

  So the exact composition of Greek fire remains a mystery, but it's known for its ability to burn on water and the resistance to extinguish with water.

• 3:17:24Speaker 02

  So that's an example of ancient technology.

• 3:17:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:27Speaker 02

  That was classified and is, because it was so secretive, it's still, it's currently unknown.

• 3:17:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:17:35Danny Jones?

  For war.

• 3:17:36Speaker 02

  It's for war purpose. Yeah, it's for war, man. It's, it's in Sun Tzu. This is the art of war. Man, you gotta have, you gotta outsmart your enemy and you gotta have better, something they don't have. And it's all about the information control.

• 3:17:48Danny Jones?

  But you don't think these things like the Tic Tac and these videos, like these Go Fast videos and all these things, you don't think any of this stuff's military tech?

• 3:17:57Speaker 02

  The Tic Tac looks a lot like, um, I have two main hypotheses, my two primary hypotheses for the Tic Tac are, uh, number one spoofing technology like, uh, laser induced plasmas, like the talking plasma balls, Pentagon talking plasma balls that I showed you about on the last time I was on the podcast, right? They can project and do a lot of these spoofing. Cause I asked the top special projects manager out of Area 51 about this when he was on my show, TD Barnes. And TD Barnes said that this is all our spoofing stuff. It's all ECCMs, electronic counter, countermeasures.

• 3:18:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:18:32Speaker 02

  And this is, this is what he worked on at Area 51. So he's an expert on it. He knows stuff that he couldn't even talk or tell me about, about these, these things. But he said, we're really good. He said, we're really good at spoofing this stuff. We're really good at this. So yeah, TD Theodore Barnes, he's head of the Roadrunners organization. He's legit, legit worked at Area 51.

• 3:18:51Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:18:53Speaker 02

  I asked him about Ball Lazarus too. He said Ball Lazarus never worked out there. But, hmm, it's in my interview with him. Um, but he thinks that they're plasma spoofing balls. That's what his, but that's what he worked on. So that's why he'd think that cause he has a, you know, that's what he worked on.

• 3:19:07Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:19:08Speaker 02

  He's biased towards. So I have other guys that worked on aerogel, like my, my friend, uh, Josh Bertrand, who, um, thought that these were aerogel craft with the aerogels and the aerostats, basically.

• 3:19:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And the last time you were here, you also showed us the patent for the cube inside the sphere.

• 3:19:28Speaker 02

  That's Project Palladium.

• 3:19:30Danny Jones?

  This is what Ryan Graves.

• 3:19:32Speaker 02

  Saw.

• 3:19:33Danny Jones?

  Talked about seeing and flying next to.

• 3:19:35Speaker 02

  Right. Which is interesting. That was the East Coast.

• 3:19:37Danny Jones?

  He, yeah, he was on the East Coast and he explained how him and his, uh, the guy he was flying with in a formation, they were flying wing to wing and they flew right past this thing, which was a cube with a sphere inside of it, or a sphere with a cube inside of it. And they went right past it and they didn't even see it.

• 3:19:56Speaker 02

  Interesting. You know, again, they have spoofing and visibility technology and all that stuff. The other option I have for like a similar shape to the air, the and also the time period that the Tic Tac was seen in the operating location, right? Look up the E-Green Technologies Bullet. Type in E-Green Technologies Bullet and you'll find a craft that was built by a company called E-Green Technologies. It was flown in that area and tested out quite a bit in that area during the same exact years. Okay?

• 3:20:33Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 3:20:35Speaker 02

  As this.

• 3:20:35Danny Jones?

  What the fuck?

• 3:20:37Speaker 02

  So if you get one of these things and look, look at the, look at the structural, go back to that last picture. Go back to that last picture. Look at the structural reinforcement on that nose cone.

• 3:20:49Speaker 02

  Just imagine how this thing, attach this thing to a tether. How fast you could pull this thing on a tether? Right?

• 3:20:58Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:20:59Speaker 02

  So you get some rapid acceleration if you, if you had one of these things pulled on a tether.

• 3:21:03Danny Jones?

  Go to that one where it's inside the stadium? Yeah.

• 3:21:07Speaker 02

  That's the size. Yeah. So you can get, there's a couple of different ones that they built of these aerostats and, and these bullet airships.

• 3:21:14Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:21:15Speaker 02

  But that'll give you a size comparison of how big the thing is. That's like a hockey rink. You know, that's like going to the

• 3:21:23Speaker 02

  Boston Garden right there, right?

• 3:21:25Danny Jones?

  That's nuts, dude.

• 3:21:27Speaker 02

  So you could see how people might, you know, see this thing flying around and be like, oh, what?

• 3:21:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah. You were also explaining to Brett Weinstein on his podcast that they have technology that they can put on the front of something. Like on the front of a, like a missile, like some sort of like cavitational thing.

• 3:21:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:21:48Danny Jones?

  That sort of like bends the air around it or something?

• 3:21:51Speaker 02

  Blasting air hypersonics.

• 3:21:56Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the videos of those hypersonic missiles that Iran was using against Israel recently?

• 3:22:02Speaker 02

  I think it's the Warzone, the Warzone article there in the top left, yeah.

• 3:22:06Danny Jones?

  Top left.

• 3:22:07Speaker 02

  Yep. So this article was by Brett Tingly, who honestly Brett Tingly should have got the interview on Tim Poole instead of me. Cause he was, he wrote me afterward. He's like, I don't understand why they invited you on to talk about my, my article and my research and stuff. But he's the one I credit with uncovering this stuff and bringing it to my attention. Cause I, I didn't know about a lot of this stuff before.

• 3:22:29Danny Jones?

  Who is he?

• 3:22:29Speaker 02

  But Brett Tingly is the, is a journalist who, who works at the, the Warzone here. And he, he digs into a lot of this stuff. He, he's really knowledgeable about a lot. It'd be great. I would love to see you get him on the podcast, bro. That would be great.

• 3:22:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:22:45Speaker 02

  But this patent in the, in the article is by a guy named Kevin Kremayer. And these guys worked with Lake Maribou, Dr. Lake Maribou, who was the, the guy from the Star Wars SDI program. He got recruited out of Rensselaer Polytech to work on some of the early Project Sky Vault stuff, which was microwave propulsion. They would shoot mic, they had these microwave lasers from, that the Navy built and they didn't quite know what to do with them. But he'd come up with this idea of some tests to, and so Dr. Lake Maribou had started this whole company doing all this stuff and he worked with a, a, a bunch of other people.

• 3:23:27Speaker 02

  Kevin Kremayer and, and also Dr. Franklin Mead, who's, you know, heavily involved with a whole bunch of classified stuff with Hal Puthoff and, and all these other guys. So, so there's, you know, these scientists are under NDA until 2027. They can't even talk about this stuff.

• 3:23:47Speaker 02

  He published a, a book in Canada called LTI Lightcraft. You can find the book if you look up LTI Lightcraft. The book came out in Canada and the DOD literally went and bought every single copy of the book. They just bought them all out. Like, you know, no one's buying, like the same thing they did with Operation Dark Heart with, with Anthony Schaefer's book. Right, Anthony Schaefer had the, had the book Operation Dark Hot and the, the DOD went and bought out every single publication copy of it and then, then they made him republish it and redact everything. And the parts that they made him redact out of his book were, were the part where he talks about how he briefed Philip Zelikow on Able Danger.

• 3:24:32Danny Jones?

  What's that?

• 3:24:34Speaker 02

  Able Danger was the terrorist tracking program that was, what should have identified and that, that did identify all the terrorists but, and should have stopped all the 9/11 terrorists. They should have stopped 9/11 in its tracks was Able Danger program. So, yeah, it's kinda crazy. I, I, I'm sorry for, for these side details while we're talking about other things. But uh, it, it's just interesting. This is, this is not out of, out of, um, I mean, you look surprised and you're like, the DOD went and bought out every copy of this book? No, they've done it many times with classified stuff that they don't want getting out. Um, this technology was featured on a 1997 television program called Future Fantastic, which uh, involved uh, um, Jillian, what's her

• 3:25:17Speaker 02

  name from the X-Files there? The, the girl from the X-Files? Gillian Anderson. Gillian Anderson was in this and um, they bought it, they, they, they took this off the air and they, and they, they bought it out. So it's proprietary. So if you repost it on the internet, you'll get it taken down and flagged and like it's, it's totally censored now. But from 97, they were like, they, they came up this, this show called Future Fantastic and they were like, these are the technologies of the future. We're going to be flying around on these light ships that are going to be pushed around by light and, and light energy and it's all going to be light craft. And they were like, you know, basically saying that this was going to be the future. And then they're like, no, wait a minute. We were, we were, we're just kidding.

• 3:25:57Speaker 02

  Here's your airplanes and here helicopters and.

• 3:26:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It is pretty crazy when you think about it, like, we're still flying around on the same fucking airplanes that we were flying around in in the 50s. And we haven't, we haven't improved these technologies at all. Like, there's so many technologies, like, just like the idea of propulsion, like, like sucking in air and then blowing it out the back. It's like, all these years have gone by. Think, just think about how much we were able to advance since the Civil War II, when we dropped the nukes on Hiroshima. We were firing fucking muskets. We went, we went from firing muskets to dropping fucking atomic bombs in less than 100 years.

• 3:26:43Danny Jones?

  And since then, we haven't figured out anything else, it seems like.

• 3:26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:26:47Danny Jones?

  Even like Apollo, like, the Apollo program. We figured out how to get to the moon in the six, in the late 60s, early 70s. And then that technology just vanished.

• 3:26:56Speaker 02

  So back, back in the 90s, um, this guy, Cantruitz with a K, came up with this concept called the Cantruitz Limit. And it was for the scramjet. You know, the scramjet was like, gonna be this super hypersonic, like, this was gonna be the, the best jet engine they could ever make, right? And this was like the ultimate in jet engine technology.

• 3:27:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:27:15Speaker 02

  The scram, and, um, Cantruitz did all the calculations, all the, all the, all the, the technical data and, and crunched the numbers. And he came up with this limit and he said, you know, we'll never get, we'll never get above, you know, Mach, Mach 5, maybe Mach 8 with, uh, with this, um, scramjet technology. So you, it, forcing air through a jet and, and pushing it out the back, it just, it's not the way to go in the future. And so they said, well, what is? It's these, and it's these surfaces. If you can do that, you don't have to worry about this. And so that's when, that was when I believe the, uh, the technology focus shifted away from, away from the jet tech, jet, jets became the thing of the past.

• 3:27:59Speaker 02

  And they were pursuing, from that point on, in secret, a lot of these super surfaces, which, again, the, the F-47 is based on a lot of this, this tech, you know? So. That's where we're at.

• 3:28:15Speaker 02

  Publicly, I know there's, there's much, much, much, much, much, much more going on in the private sector. There's even stuff that I've learned about, I, I just don't want to talk about. Why? It's crazy stuff. Too crazy? Some of it's crazy. Some of it I have talked about and I'm like, you know, like the, the hafnium controversy is one thing that, uh, it, it blows my mind. Cause the hafnium controversy, if you look that up, um, it's this isomer that can, uh, basically it's a gamma ray mirror. And if you can create a gamma ray mirror, you can create a gamma ray laser.

• 3:28:50Speaker 02

  And if you got a gamma ray laser, you don't need nukes. Cause I can just fry you through the earth with my gamma ray laser. Through the earth? Yeah, just point it at wherever I want, any, any, any target and it's just going to fry it. Completely. What do you mean through the earth? It would, you know, the gamma rays go through everything. Oh, and they're shot out of satellites? They're shot out of. This is the idea behind the, this is, again, goes back to Wheeler's work and, and Teller's work on the, on the hydrogen bomb. And also the project Excalibur idea, like I remember I mentioned the project Excalibur, they had the nuke that would go off inside this.

• 3:29:34Speaker 02

  Thing that would basically take the energy and focus it and shoot it out of, of, of a. Yeah. You know, and that whole shell in, inside there, that's the classified component of the, the Excalibur.

• 3:29:46Speaker 02

  Uh, weapon was that it was a gamma ray mirror or reflector, which would, which would basically focus and, and reflect all that energy and, and, and shoot it out through a point. Um, through, through using the, the hafnium. Whoa. So.

• 3:30:01Speaker 02

  That's a crazy thing. When I learned about that, I was like, yo, this is nuts because that's like, we don't need nukes. I'm not like, when everyone's like. A couple of months ago, when everyone's like, oh my God, I like, we could just die of nuclear war. We're almost going to go to, we, we thought we were going to go to war with Russia. Remember like a couple of months ago with nuclear, it was like. We thought we were on the verge of nuclear war. I'm like, I'm not worried about it. Cause we have stuff better than nukes, bro. Like we can, we have technology that goes beyond this and. The technology that's going to come out when they have that, if they have teleportation or any of that stuff, I mean, they're going to. It's, it's, there's gonna have to be some sort of regulatory agency over who has, you know, access to certain technologies and stuff.

• 3:30:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we gotta be worried about nukes, though. Cause the only countries we don't really fuck with are the ones that have nukes.

• 3:30:48Speaker 02

  And the other thing I won't talk about is the, um, the Havana syndrome weapons.

• 3:30:55Speaker 02

  So the, uh, you know, you know, I mean, the, uh, how to actually build them and, and how they work. So that, remember that guy that was caught right here in Florida? That guy, there's a Russian spy caught in Florida with one of these devices in his car, the Havana syndrome weapon.

• 3:31:09Danny Jones?

  What?

• 3:31:09Speaker 02

  You didn't hear about this?

• 3:31:10Danny Jones?

  When?

• 3:31:11Speaker 02

  You didn't hear about this?

• 3:31:12Danny Jones?

  No.

• 3:31:13Speaker 02

  Look up the Russian spy that was caught in, in Florida with, with the Havana syndrome weapon in his car.

• 3:31:18Danny Jones?

  How long ago?

• 3:31:20Speaker 02

  Um, probably two years ago.

• 3:31:24Danny Jones?

  Did you see the podcast I did with those dudes with the, with the guy, with the Russian guy? And then the Harvard guy, Len Bear? Len Bear and Robert Duncan.

• 3:31:32Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:31:33Danny Jones?

  It was a podcast with this dude who is experiencing Havana syndrome. Uh, a Russian spy, Vitaly Kovalev, was arrested in Florida five years ago, 2020, after a high-speed car chase. And during his interrogation, FBI agent later suffered symptoms consistent with Havana syndrome, a condition linked to potential direct energy weapons. Kavala, Kavalev, who was exposed as an undercover GRU officer, was found with devices that could erase a car's computer data, including GPS records along with Russian, okay, along with a Russian passport and other suspicious items. The FBI agent referred to as Carrie described experiencing severe symptoms, including a high-pitched drilling noise in her ears,

• 3:32:17Danny Jones?

  which she believed was caused by the weapon linked to Kavalev's alleged espionage activities.

• 3:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:32:22Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 3:32:24Speaker 02

  I'm surprised.

• 3:32:24Danny Jones?

  What part of Florida?

• 3:32:26Speaker 02

  I know, you're right here, man.

• 3:32:27Danny Jones?

  This was in the height of the pandemic.

• 3:32:28Speaker 02

  How'd I hear about this and not you, man? Uh, it's cause I'm, I'm tuned into this kind of stuff and a little bit more.

• 3:32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they buried that story. But, uh,

• 3:32:40Speaker 02

  yeah.

• 3:32:40Danny Jones?

  Scroll down.

• 3:32:43Danny Jones?

  60 minutes.

• 3:32:44Speaker 02

  The original news article when it came out, it showed a picture of the weapon.

• 3:32:47Danny Jones?

  Key West.

• 3:32:48Speaker 02

  Key West. They showed a, they showed a picture of the thing, but it's since been censored.

• 3:32:55Danny Jones?

  But I. Let's see this guy's face.

• 3:32:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:32:59Speaker 02

  He looks like a dope.

• 3:33:01Danny Jones?

  Keep going.

• 3:33:01Speaker 02

  It looks like this dude I ripped me off for a job recently.

• 3:33:05Danny Jones?

  Wow. What is this? Kovalev had a high level, he was a high level chef in New York and had catered for the rich and famous, all while being suspected of being a Russian spy. Wow.

• 3:33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, crazy, huh?

• 3:33:19Danny Jones?

  Holy crap, that's nutty. I never heard about this.

• 3:33:22Speaker 02

  Well, I'm glad I can share something about your.

• 3:33:24Danny Jones?

  That's wild.

• 3:33:25Speaker 02

  It happened right here in Florida, which is even crazier that you didn't hear about it. But, uh, yeah, so that stuff is probably the last thing I'll leave off with is the savanna syndrome weapon stuff. Did you know that Lou Elizondo, um, the, the, the, the people that were tortured by him under the torture program reported being tortured by an invisible weapon?

• 3:33:46Danny Jones?

  No.

• 3:33:47Speaker 02

  They said like this guy was not allowed to sleep. He said every time he would sleep, he'd get, he'd get hit with the Havana syndrome weapon, that they had this invisible weapon that would mess with him. So look up microwave auditory effect. Microwave auditory effect. So this was discovered in the, in sixties, I think 68, they, uh, they found this, they had this microwave dish and one of the soldiers was standing in front of it and was like, I hear this clicking in my ear. Why, why do I hear the clicking in my ear? But if I move, I don't hear it and I stand in front of the dish, now I hear the clicking in my ear. What's going on?

• 3:34:19Danny Jones?

  Like the voice to skull stuff?

• 3:34:21Speaker 02

  This is the voice to skull technology. Yes, this is when they figured it out and, and, um, a lot of those frequencies are basically resonant frequencies which resonate with biological structures within the body. So the, the, the microwave auditory effect, the Fray microwave hearing effect.

• 3:34:38Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 3:34:39Speaker 02

  Is, uh, yeah, cause it's the doctor was, yeah.

• 3:34:42Danny Jones?

  Is this what we're looking for?

• 3:34:42Speaker 02

  That's the scientist. Yes. Dr. Fray was the scientist. Yep. Cornell University.

• 3:34:48Danny Jones?

  You know when a video looks like this, it's legit.

• 3:34:51Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 3:34:52Speaker 08

  Cornell University and a contractor for the Office of Naval Research discovered in 1958 that the auditory system responds to electromagnetic energy in a portion of the radio frequency spectrum at low power densities, well below that necessary for biological damage. "The human auditory system and a table radio," he said, "may be one order of magnitude apart in sensitivity in a portion of the radio frequency spectrum."

• 3:35:22Speaker 08

  Fry proposed stimulating the nervous system without the damage caused by electrodes. He wrote two papers, "Microwave Auditory Effect and the Applications," and "Human Auditory Response to Modulated Electromagnetic Energy." Dr. Fry's work had obvious implications for covert operations. He synchronized pulse microwaves with the myocardial rhythm of a frog's heart. The heart stopped beating. Dr. Fry had perfected the induction of heart seizures by beamed electromagnetics. He microwaved cats and found that stimulation of the hypothalamus had a powerful effect on emotions. Fry found that human subjects exposed to 1310 MHz to 2982 MHz microwaves at average power

• 3:36:03Speaker 08

  densities of 0.4 to 2 mW per cubic centimeter perceived auditory sounds. The peak power densities were on the order of 200 to 300 mW per cubic centimeter, and the pulse repetition frequencies varied from 200 to 400 Hz. Dr. Fry referred to this auditory phenomenon as RF or radio frequency sound. The sensation occurred instantaneously at average incident power densities well below that necessary for known biological damage and appeared to originate from within or near the back of the head. Fry was reluctant to experiment on humans, but others, particularly paperclip scientists, were not.

• 3:36:43Speaker 08

  Dr. Ross Addy worked at UCLA and rigged the brains of lab animals to transmit to a radio receiver which shot back signals to a device that sparked any behavior desired by the researcher. Dr. Addy worked closely with immigrate Nazi scientists after World War II. Addy determined that emotional states and behavior can be remotely influenced merely by placing a subject in an electromagnetic field. By directing a carrier frequency to stimulate the brain and using amplitude modulation to shape the wave to mimic a desired EEG frequency, he was able to impose a 4.5 CPS theta rhythm on his subjects and put them to sleep. Dr. Joseph Sharp and Alan Fry experimented with microwaves seeking to transmit spoken

• 3:37:24Speaker 08

  words directly into the audio cortex via a pulsed microwave analog of the speaker's sound vibration. Indeed, Fry's work in this field dating back to 1960 gave rise to the so-called Fry Effect, which is now more commonly referred to as microwave hearing. Within the Pentagon, this ability is known as artificial telepathy. Addy and others have compiled an entire library of frequencies and pulsation rates which can affect the mind and nervous system.

• 3:37:52Speaker 02

  So, this is the kind of shit that our CIA was doing out at Campiro in Montauk. And this is like, this is like-

• 3:38:01Danny Jones?

  Stranger Things.

• 3:38:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, Stranger Things, man. Crazy stuff, man. It's all fucking real.

• 3:38:08Danny Jones?

  It's crazy, bro. What do you make of this shit that this Jake Barber guy is talking about? Have you heard of him?

• 3:38:13Speaker 02

  Jake Barber? Didn't he say he was originally hired to go to Stephen Greer's conferences to try to intercept-

• 3:38:20Danny Jones?

  And he heard Michael Herrera.

• 3:38:21Speaker 02

  Whistleblowers, right?

• 3:38:22Danny Jones?

  Yep. He went there to intercept whistleblowers, yes, exactly. And they heard Michael Herrera's story on what happened with him, and he said that he knew exactly about that operation, and that's when he decided to flip and help those guys.

• 3:38:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Bullshit, dude. Bullshit. I'm gonna flip, I'm gonna come out and be a whistleblower now after I went to go hunt down whistleblowers. Now I'm gonna be a whistleblower, but what's he blowing the whistle on? The psionics program?

• 3:38:47Danny Jones?

  Psionics. What do you make of that stuff?

• 3:38:50Speaker 02

  I mean, that was like the, they realized Lou Elizondo had run out his usefulness i- in the, in the UFO op.

• 3:38:57Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 3:38:58Speaker 02

  Okay, cuz he went to Congress, they finally got the UFO hearings, he finally gets in front of Congress, and then he shows that crop circle photo. Remember the one, did you see that? He like, like this is the guy who's supposedly the Pentagon UFO expert. He's seen all the UFO videos, all the UFO files, and has all the pictures and all the stuff. And this is the best of the best of what this, this guy can't even, this guy's never flown in an airplane before over the Midwest. Has never, has never seen one of the, an air, a circular pivot irrigation system before. And get the hell out of here, this guy's supposedly an, an intelligence agent for our government.

• 3:39:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:39:31Speaker 02

  And he doesn't know what the hell that is?

• 3:39:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:39:33Speaker 02

  That's bullshit.

• 3:39:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:39:34Speaker 02

  And so everyone, like, his gig was up at that point, and they all knew, like, this guy's been floated as the expert, but he's a counterintelligence guy who's just gonna like bluff and bluff and bluff and use his bravado and, and, uh, and,

• 3:39:48Speaker 02

  and, and military, uh, brass to, to basically boss everyone around and convince that some, everyone that he's something he's not. But when it comes down to, to it in front of Congress, this is what he produces? It, it was, it's such an obvious psy-op on the American public, uh, I, I, I.

• 3:40:02Danny Jones?

  So you think this is the idea of getting kids and using them to psychically control UFOs and take down UFOs is bullshit?

• 3:40:10Speaker 02

  Well, this is all like the Puharic, uh, school of the, the gifted, this goes back to the, you know, these, these, um, these, and these are MKUltra operations, like, and they didn't stop then, they still go on now. We still have like this Monroe Institute.

• 3:40:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:40:24Speaker 02

  But basically, they, they, there's people online that, that they try to.

• 3:40:26Danny Jones?

  Chris Bledsoe is a big part of it.

• 3:40:27Speaker 02

  If you're a, a remote viewer, or, or you're involved in any of this, um, this crazy, they basically like, they'll, they'll approach you online, you have powers, and we need to send you to the school so that you can, you can, um, I, I, you know, it's like, you feel like you got a letter from the X-Men. You know? Like, oh, you can go to Professor Xavier's school for the gifted, and then you're going to the school, but it's not Professor Xavier, it's friggin Sidney Gottlieb, and, uh, a bunch of his buddies running MKUltra, uh, experiments on kids. And, and literally, like, lots of people get sucked into these.

• 3:41:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:41:00Speaker 02

  Cults and, like, these cults and, and, and.

• 3:41:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:41:03Speaker 02

  And it's all MKUltra, like 2.0, bro.

• 3:41:05Danny Jones?

  All these guys are attaching themselves to Chris Bledsoe, like, uh, all, all those, uh, who was the guy, John Alexander? And, um. The other guys, they like befriended him and they're like talking to him, inviting him to all these events and the stuff like this, telling him those orbs are like, he's doing something for real.

• 3:41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. What was weird with about that is like, these guys supposedly, they can summon UFOs on command with, with these abilities, but they, you know, as someone pointed out, they did an interview with, you know, Chris Bledsoe, the dad, I don't know which one, and in the garage, he's got a garage where in, in the interview, you can see nine different remote control planes all in the background. So this guy's an enthusiast for remote control aircraft and drones.

• 3:41:50Danny Jones?

  He brought me and Steve out to the beach across the street from here when he was in town.

• 3:41:54Speaker 02

  What's up with that?

• 3:41:55Danny Jones?

  He showed us two, two orbs popped out of the water and like started floating around.

• 3:41:59Speaker 02

  Like what, what was that about, bro? Do you think he had someone else controlling that for you?

• 3:42:04Danny Jones?

  Because I, because I told him where we were going to dinner. I told him the location for our dinner spot like an hour before and we went and did this after dinner.

• 3:42:12Speaker 02

  Watch. Cause that's what I was wondering, that's what, this is what people have accused it of, right?

• 3:42:17Danny Jones?

  Look, look at that, rewind it.

• 3:42:19Speaker 09

  There's something right on the water.

• 3:42:20Danny Jones?

  Watch this.

• 3:42:21Speaker 02

  Those are planes.

• 3:42:22Danny Jones?

  No, it's not a plane. That thing on the top is a plane.

• 3:42:24Speaker 02

  That's a plane, yeah.

• 3:42:25Danny Jones?

  Watch.

• 3:42:27Speaker 09

  There's something right on the water, right on the water. Thank you, thank you. If you could flash for us and.

• 3:42:39Speaker 09

  I'm getting it.

• 3:42:42Speaker 09

  Right there.

• 3:42:43Danny Jones?

  Now watch it fizzle out.

• 3:42:43Speaker 09

  It's still in the camera.

• 3:42:46Speaker 09

  It's still in here.

• 3:42:50Speaker 06

  There was a second one that went horizontal.

• 3:42:51Danny Jones?

  Now watch that one go on the left.

• 3:42:54Speaker 09

  Oh.

• 3:42:55Danny Jones?

  That's not a plane. We saw the one on top blinking is a plane.

• 3:42:58Speaker 02

  What about, um?

• 3:42:59Danny Jones?

  Look at this, look at this.

• 3:43:01Speaker 09

  Oh, you see it? It's right there. You see it?

• 3:43:06Speaker 09

  That is definitely an orb. I'm, I'm tracking it.

• 3:43:08Speaker 02

  Have you ever done?

• 3:43:09Danny Jones?

  Fizzles out to nothing.

• 3:43:10Speaker 02

  Have you ever done?

• 3:43:11Danny Jones?

  These things were coming off the horizon, going in weird directions and then disappearing. There was plane traffic that was coming off the Gulf into Tampa Airport. We saw the planes. There was tons of planes coming up. They were all blinking and they were all following the same path. These things were nothing like the planes. And there's no possible way he put a dude on a fucking dinghy.

• 3:43:30Speaker 02

  On a boat.

• 3:43:31Danny Jones?

  A hundred miles offshore, no.

• 3:43:32Speaker 02

  With a paper lantern, a sky lantern or something?

• 3:43:36Danny Jones?

  No way. I've never seen anything like it. I don't, I don't know what it was. I don't know what it was.

• 3:43:42Speaker 02

  Do you think he really has the ability to like talk to this, these beans and this power and summon these things?

• 3:43:47Danny Jones?

  I don't.

• 3:43:50Speaker 02

  That's wild. That's like far out, man.

• 3:43:51Danny Jones?

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to explain.

• 3:43:53Speaker 02

  That's weird, because I can't, that's the stuff I can't explain. That's the stuff that really interests me, Danny.

• 3:43:56Danny Jones?

  I know for a fact those things aren't airplanes.

• 3:43:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:44:00Danny Jones?

  And I know for a fact, unless like this guy's super sophisticated and flew in like DARPA people to come with him and like pull this psy-op on me and Steve. But it took like an hour and a half before this thing showed up. We were sitting on the beach for like two hours.

• 3:44:13Speaker 02

  Really?

• 3:44:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And after an hour and a half of him like meditating and praying to God for these things to show up, they showed up off the, off the fucking.

• 3:44:21Speaker 02

  Maybe I just didn't do it long enough, because I've tried this before, but I usually like give up after like a half hour.

• 3:44:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:44:26Speaker 02

  And we did the same thing. Uh, we actually.

• 3:44:28Danny Jones?

  With him?

• 3:44:29Speaker 02

  No, um, at the, with the UAP Hackathon on the USS, uh,

• 3:44:36Speaker 02

  on the USS Hornet out in Los An- out in San Francisco. I was there a couple of weeks ago with, with Jesse Michaels and Danny Sheen.

• 3:44:44Danny Jones?

  Were you really?

• 3:44:45Speaker 02

  And everyone went up to the top deck of the aircraft carrier and we all tried to do the, we all tried to do a CD5 event. We all, we all, we all prac- we all tried to summon one of these things, but nothing showed up. And then people started flying their own drones around after a while because everyone was bored. And then they eventually kicked us all off the ship at like late.

• 3:45:01Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:45:02Speaker 02

  But yeah, I did that, like with, um, but I, but I've never seen one, man. So I'm so jealous.

• 3:45:07Danny Jones?

  He films them on his phone every day. He posts them on his own Instagram.

• 3:45:10Speaker 02

  I'm so jealous.

• 3:45:11Danny Jones?

  I don't know what they are. It could be some DARPA satellites. Who knows?

• 3:45:13Speaker 02

  Well, hey, man, you know, I, listen, I'm a scientist. I, and I'm an open-minded one. I try to keep an open mind to everything. But I'm really skeptical and I'm really like curious. So I would love to, I would love to see this and, and, and, and bring some experts down. If he, if he'd be willing to do it for me, man.

• 3:45:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm sure he would.

• 3:45:33Speaker 02

  Great. That's nuts dude, I've never seen, you know that I've never like really seen a definitive thing where I'm like, that's, that's a UFO. And you know what? I'm so jealous because my family went down to this point and they go and see him down in Rhode Island, there's a spot where they go and watch him. And I gotta go down there one of these nights and go see it, but apparently they test them on like Tuesday or Wednesdays. And I gotta go down there one night, I just haven't made it. But man, you know, I say like, we know a lot and it's important to listen to the scientists and I rely on a lot of other scientists for knowledge too, because I don't know the answer. I rely on subject matter experts that do. This is what the government does.

• 3:46:18Speaker 02

  This is what, this is what DARPA does. DARPA will, and our government, the government, the Pentagon's brain will literally use companies like MTSI, I don't know if you've heard of them. MTSI, they'll basically a collection of subject matter experts, which they'll consult for, you know, if they don't know about this, they'll get a bunch of, they have this collection, this database of all the subject matter expert scientists, so they can go and call these people up and ask them about. And I kinda have the same thing. If it's material science, I call my friend Michael. If it's theoretical physics, I call David Chester on the phone. David Chester, I had him in, he was great. Yeah, so I have like this collection of individuals that I've met that are just

• 3:47:02Speaker 02

  like the top of their fields and stuff and. It's good to do. It's, that's the way that the government does it. It's a good, it's a good strategy because at the end of the day, you know, you have answers, but you could find the best in the world, they might have a better answer. And then, then when you put it on the internet and get everyone's opinion, you might find someone else is like, whoa, did you know about this? And you're like, oh, you know, so. Man, so much information is able to, I honestly, you know, someone asked me, he's like, dude, you've been like doing all this work with these scientists and all this stuff, why haven't they killed you yet? And I honestly think that like I've opened up new doors for them. They're like, well, they're kind of like stonewalled and blocked from really getting deeper into this stuff.

• 3:47:47Speaker 02

  But I think that like they look at APEC and the stuff that we do, they're with like great interest because they're like, oh wow, you know, like now you're getting fresh brains in on this stuff and getting new ideas and getting more information and stuff. And that's really all about it. At the end of the day, it's going to help humanity. It's going to help us all. And we all have to share this planet together and it's all about sustainability. Like we can't continue on this current path we're going of waste and the way that we use energy and the way that we create energy because all our energy comes from dead plants from thousands of years ago, from fossil fuels and stuff. So we need different, different forms of energy. We need different forms of propulsion to get us off this planet because obviously, you know, rockets were cool, but they're not getting us to Mars.

• 3:48:30Speaker 02

  I don't know if they're going to. Elon, you know, I've watched Elon, Elon did a, has commented on that leak Meriboo stuff that, you know, someone asked him actually about that direct, you know, using the microwave propulsion stuff. And he just said that they've looked into it and that the, the costs outweigh the benefits for right now currently, that it's just cheaper, it's easier, it's more, it's more economical and effective to just use chemical rockets and with SpaceX and everything. That that technology's not there yet, doesn't know if it will be, but at the point that it does change over and does become economically and, you know, more bang for your buck viable

• 3:49:12Speaker 02

  than SpaceX might actually look at it and stuff. So, you know, I would love to talk to Elon and pick his brain, man. I would love to sit down and have a conversation with SpaceX about all this technology and invite them to APEC with, with our scientists and stuff because my buddy, he's, my buddy,

• 3:49:35Speaker 02

  My buddy Gerald said he flew on the plane to Florida from California with the third in charge of SpaceX and told him about all this stuff and he had no idea. So if that's really the case and they're not like Elon, you know, I know my, my account got censored on, on X, by the way, my, my old Twitter account, Alien Scientist got taken down off X.

• 3:50:02Danny Jones?

  For what?

• 3:50:03Speaker 02

  And I got targeted by, I was, I was in, I was in, going through a lot of shit the last two years, man. And, and, and I was in a, I was pretty angry at a lot of stuff. And, and I, and I think that they had a lot of these AI bots that they targeted on me. And one of them was this, one of them was this, I don't know if it was a real person, but this MMA fighter like threatened me and my family and all this stuff. And I, and I flipped out and I said a bunch of shit back. I was like, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll kick your ass. And then they reported me for violent speech and

• 3:50:30Danny Jones?

  Oh shit.

• 3:50:31Speaker 02

  Immediately taken down. And I got my account back for like two days. I, I appealed it, I appealed it, appealed it, appealed it. And I got it back. And then they took it down again because I had another account. They said that I had violated terms of service because I had created another account while my account was suspended. But that's not true. I just used an old account that was not related that, that I already created. But I don't know. If anyone knows anyone at Twitter that can help me get that account reinstated.

• 3:51:00Danny Jones?

  X.

• 3:51:01Speaker 02

  An X. Yeah. That can help me get my alien underbar scientist.

• 3:51:04Danny Jones?

  You gotta be careful, bro. You guys can't engage with people on Twitter, bro. On X.

• 3:51:08Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:51:09Danny Jones?

  You can't engage. You just gotta disengage. Just post it and then fucking ignore.

• 3:51:12Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:51:13Danny Jones?

  Ignore all the bullshittery.

• 3:51:14Speaker 02

  You know what? And I should have, you know, it's, these people weren't, weren't worth my time and I shouldn't, I shouldn't have done that. But you know, it's, it's for my fault. But again, I, I used to have 44,000 subscribers, followers, and I had a massive reach and all that's gone now. So it's like, you know, and I don't know what happened to my YouTube channel because I have 115, 119,000 subscribers on Alien Scientist on my YouTube channel. But like, I used to post videos and I get 150,000 Thousand views like in the first couple of hours, man. I just get millions of views and stuff and now like I just. But again, I've been doing a lot of long form content where it's just big interviews, long form rants and four hour stuff.

• 3:51:58Speaker 02

  And a lot of people don't have time for that stuff, except for the real hard cores. Which is the only people I really care about anyways, the people that are really into this and really. You know, it's crazy because we've done a lot of the pioneering work and breaking a lot of this stuff out. And now I see a lot of these other big channels like Joe Scott and, uh, and, um. Tech files and even Y files. Recycling stuff that we've done, like, like topics that we've covered. They're able to like create these really nice, well packaged videos. I don't have the capability to, I don't know how to do all that stuff, man. I'm not, I'm not like, that's not my wheelhouse, you know? So I've seen the people that do have that ability. Take a lot of my content and a lot of my research and materials, repackage it.

• 3:52:43Speaker 02

  And then they get millions of views on their channel with it, which, you know, that's. I don't care about my recognition. That's not what I'm do this for. I care about the information and getting, you know, good information out there and battling the bad information and disinformation. So that people can have, uh, better information.

• 3:53:00Danny Jones?

  This is your channel, Alien Scientist on YouTube.

• 3:53:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm about. That's the TD Barnes interview right there.

• 3:53:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, sick. The last one? Cool.

• 3:53:09Speaker 02

  That one right there. That's, that's Theodore Barnes, man. That guy is head of the Roadrunners organization, like.

• 3:53:14Danny Jones?

  Who is, is that, is that, that's not you on the left, is it?

• 3:53:17Speaker 02

  That's me on the left.

• 3:53:17Danny Jones?

  That's you?

• 3:53:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:53:20Speaker 02

  That's a couple of years ago, man.

• 3:53:21Danny Jones?

  It looks like, like you got like, you had like a crazy tan going on.

• 3:53:26Danny Jones?

  Well, we'll link this below and, uh, anything else other than your YouTube channel we should link?

• 3:53:30Speaker 02

  Uh, altpropulsion.com.

• 3:53:32Danny Jones?

  Altpropulsion.com.

• 3:53:34Speaker 02

  That's, those are my buddies, uh, Tim Ventura and Jared Yates, uh, doing good research and, and, and work on the APEC community. With, uh, all, bringing all the science together on this and, and if you are interested in. Getting involved in the discussions, we have the APEC conference. We have the APEC open mic where anyone can join and just throw whatever shit you want against the wall. You go ahead. That's what that, we created that for because we had too many interruptions in the conference with just nonsense stuff. So we created another space just for that stuff. And, um, for the more wild ideas. And then we have the, uh, the, um.

• 3:54:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, the all propulsion stuff is that's that's our that's our baby right now is is just trying to get it go after the technologies if there's classified if there's classified technologies that can benefit all of humanity then we don't want them in the hands of a couple elite pilots. You know, I want to I want you and me to be flying around in this ship, bro.

• 3:54:32Danny Jones?

  Fuck, yeah. I need my own UFO.

• 3:54:34Speaker 02

  Right? Why why does just Jeffrey Epstein get to have that?

• 3:54:38Danny Jones?

  Shit. Jeremy, thanks for coming, bro. This has been an amazing four hour conversation. We've covered every conspiracy under the fucking sun.

• 3:54:48Speaker 02

  Almost, almost.

• 3:54:50Danny Jones?

  Um, we'll link it all below and thanks again, bro. This has been amazing. Thanks for making the trip down. I really appreciate it.

• 3:54:57Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me, bro.

• 3:54:58Danny Jones?

  I always enjoy talking to you.

• 3:54:59Speaker 02

  It's great to be on again and.

• 3:55:00Danny Jones?

  Fuck, yeah. Good night, everybody.

• 3:55:05Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah.

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