Pretty Little Episode #39

Mae and Fortune talk trendy hikes, animal reincarnation, and nature vs. nurture on today's Pretty Little Episode! Handsome is hosted by Tig Notaro, Mae Martin, and Fortune FeimsterSubmit questions to speakpipe.com/handsomepod http://speakpipe.com/handsomepodFollow us on social media @handsomepodMerch at handsomepod.com http://handsomepod.com/Watch Handsome on YouTube http://youtube.com/@handsomepodThis is a Headgum https://headgum.com/ podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter https://x.com/headgum, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/headgum/, and Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum. Advertise on Handsome https://gumball.fm/shows/handsome via Gumball.fm http://gumball.fm/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:04Mae Martin?

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• 0:18Tig Notaro?

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• 0:48Fortune Feimster?

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• 2:16Fortune Feimster?

  Pretty little episode.

• 2:19Mae Martin?

  Guys, you're not gonna believe this. It's a pretty little episode with me, Mae Martin, and my handsome co-host.

• 2:26Fortune Feimster?

  Fortune Feimster.

• 2:28Mae Martin?

  Good morning.

• 2:29Fortune Feimster?

  Good morning, May.

• 2:32Mae Martin?

  How are you?

• 2:33Fortune Feimster?

  Good to see you, bud.

• 2:34Mae Martin?

  Yeah, you too. And usually I'm wearing a hat, but I'm not.

• 2:37Fortune Feimster?

  Well, I couldn't get my act together today. I woke up really early thinking like, I'm gonna go get a coffee and then I'm gonna go tread my water.

• 2:47Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Fortune Feimster?

  And the coffee journey ended up taking like an hour and a half.

• 2:55Fortune Feimster?

  Cause I went to this place like further away, cause there is these really good coffees and

• 3:02Fortune Feimster?

  the traffic sucked and then the line was like out the door and

• 3:06Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 3:06Fortune Feimster?

  No treading water, so that's why I've not showered or anything.

• 3:09Mae Martin?

  You look absolutely stunning. You look absolutely stunning. I also went on a coffee walk this morning. Mornings are rough for me, but I was like, I'm gonna take a page out of Fortune's book and like, get up and then I went to the Silver Lake Reservoir and I was walking around. It's so hot and sunny, like it's

• 3:27Fortune Feimster?

  It's very hot today.

• 3:29Mae Martin?

  Bacon hot. And Fortune, I found basically the epicenter of handsome listeners, I think.

• 3:36Fortune Feimster?

  You did?

• 3:37Mae Martin?

  Silver Lake Reservoir. I, I think six separate people were like, keep it handsome. Like it was so uplifting. And the best one was, just as I was getting ready to leave, this amazing woman goes, I just hear behind me, is that my handsome May?

• 3:54Fortune Feimster?

  Oh.

• 3:55Mae Martin?

  Yes, it is. And then she comes, this amazing woman, and she, I'm like, what are you up to today? She goes, I was just watching handsome on YouTube. And then she said, well, I'm doing my slow walk. And she was with a few people. I'm like, whoa, what's the slow walk? And she goes, you get a group of people together and the only rule is you walk as slow as the slowest person.

• 4:14Fortune Feimster?

  Okay, I like that.

• 4:15Mae Martin?

  Isn't that nice? So you just have a nice little amble around.

• 4:18Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, make sure you don't have fast friends.

• 4:20Mae Martin?

  Yeah, no fast friends.

• 4:22Fortune Feimster?

  No fast friends are invited to this chat.

• 4:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah, no, you stay.

• 4:25Fortune Feimster?

  I love that so much. Maybe I'll have to go to have coffee with you sometime at the reservoir.

• 4:29Mae Martin?

  Dude, if you need a little

• 4:30Fortune Feimster?

  We'll just walk around going, looking around.

• 4:32Mae Martin?

  Looking around. And the nice thing is that all, everyone has dogs. So I met a bunch of good dogs. I met these two dogs called Lulu and Zuko.

• 4:41Fortune Feimster?

  Cute.

• 4:43Mae Martin?

  Lulu was like this shiny golden retriever, like full of beans, little, little pink collar. And like, and then Zuko, different vibe. Zuko was like, like Zuko was a little kooky and kind of like, like I think a cattle dog of some sort.

• 5:02Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 5:03Mae Martin?

  But they were an odd pair, these two. And I just thought, I wonder if Zuko resents Lulu for being like so people-pleasy and everyone loves Lulu. Like I was loving Lulu. And then I thought, you know, it's probably a lot of pressure for Lulu too. Like some days she wants to just be a little runt.

• 5:20Fortune Feimster?

  And which one was the golden retriever?

• 5:22Mae Martin?

  Lulu.

• 5:23Fortune Feimster?

  Lulu.

• 5:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah. And she just was like, I'm the star pupil, but she was.

• 5:27Fortune Feimster?

  Of course. I mean, golden retrievers are just full of life and there, it's hard not to like, just love all of them immediately. Cause they also come with that good energy.

• 5:38Mae Martin?

  Such good energy. Yeah. But then Zuko, I was like, there's depth there and Zuko needs support too.

• 5:46Fortune Feimster?

  I went to Runyon Canyon yesterday and was around a ton of dogs.

• 5:50Mae Martin?

  Nice.

• 5:51Fortune Feimster?

  Met two golden retrievers, met a three-legged palm.

• 5:54Mae Martin?

  What's a palm? Oh, Pomeranian?

• 5:55Fortune Feimster?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:56Mae Martin?

  Okay. And do you bring Biggie on these walks or no?

• 5:58Fortune Feimster?

  No, it was too hot for him.

• 6:00Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:01Fortune Feimster?

  These dogs were a little bit meatier, except for the, well, the three-legged palm was just taking a little, uh, tiny trip. Yeah. In, in his mom's arms, but not, obviously not hiking.

• 6:14Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Fortune Feimster?

  But yeah, there's something about being around a, a bunch of dogs.

• 6:19Mae Martin?

  Is Runyon Canyon where you met Jeff Probst or you meet, or you see celebrities there, right? You're hiking around, you see.

• 6:26Fortune Feimster?

  There's two canyons that are popular. Runyon's one and Freiman is the other one.

• 6:32Mae Martin?

  Okay.

• 6:32Fortune Feimster?

  Runyon's the Hollywood, uh, in the middle of Hollywood. Freiman's the more the valley, Studio City.

• 6:39Mae Martin?

  Okay. I think I gotta go to Freiman's.

• 6:41Fortune Feimster?

  Freiman? So Runyon is like. Um, more uphill, more, more inclined, a little bit tougher. It's a bit more scenic.

• 6:49Mae Martin?

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 6:50Fortune Feimster?

  Frimman, uh, you'll see people here and there, but it's, um, there's a uphill part, but it's not as crazy.

• 6:57Mae Martin?

  I love the idea of a scenic hike.

• 6:59Fortune Feimster?

  That, that would be Runyon, yeah.

• 7:01Mae Martin?

  Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go to Runyon then. I wanna see probes.

• 7:04Fortune Feimster?

  I, I don't do Runyon very often, um, but I went there, uh, to meet a bunch of dogs.

• 7:11Mae Martin?

  I love it.

• 7:12Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 7:13Mae Martin?

  Good to start your day, walking around in the sun.

• 7:15Fortune Feimster?

  It sure is. That's the beauty of LA that, you know, it has a bad rap, but a lot of sunshine.

• 7:22Mae Martin?

  Lot of sunshine.

• 7:23Fortune Feimster?

  Hiking's very popular. No one walks in the city, but they will hike.

• 7:27Mae Martin?

  Yes, and, and a lot of nice little coffee shops. I had, uh, a corn cake, I wanna say, for breakfast. It was like a cornbread muffin, but inside was marmalade, orange marmalade.

• 7:39Fortune Feimster?

  Ooh, that's nice. There's a lot of good coffee shops in Silver Lake.

• 7:43Mae Martin?

  Hell, yes. I never say hell, yes, but felt right in the moment.

• 7:48Fortune Feimster?

  Hell, yes. And you can walk to, you're walkable where you are?

• 7:52Mae Martin?

  I actually did take an Uber to the Silver, to the reservoir. I could've walked, but I took a, an Uber Black to the walk.

• 8:00Fortune Feimster?

  Uber Black, you are hilarious that you take these fancy Ubers places.

• 8:06Mae Martin?

  I don't know why I do it. It's gotten, it's a habit I have to break.

• 8:09Fortune Feimster?

  It's expensive.

• 8:10Mae Martin?

  Well, sometimes when you look on the app, they're the same price.

• 8:13Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, well, if it's the same price, then yeah, but.

• 8:16Mae Martin?

  You know what I like?

• 8:17Fortune Feimster?

  Going like ten minutes down the road, you don't really need an Uber Black.

• 8:20Mae Martin?

  No, it's psychotic, but I think what I like about it is they wait for fifteen minutes.

• 8:25Fortune Feimster?

  And you're never ready.

• 8:27Mae Martin?

  I'm never ready. I always, I'll, I'll book my Uber when I'm still in bed in my pajamas.

• 8:33Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, my God.

• 8:34Mae Martin?

  And then I'm like, shit, I gotta, and then I get up, I rinse, and, and then I.

• 8:39Fortune Feimster?

  I'm paying to, for you to wait for me, buddy.

• 8:41Mae Martin?

  And I always have to message them going, be right there. And they go, okay. And then I get it, and I always say, thanks for waiting. And they go, okay.

• 8:50Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm very like, uh, I'm very time oriented.

• 8:56Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that's why you're so successful.

• 8:58Fortune Feimster?

  The amount of time I need to do everything. And so I usually have it pretty mapped out in my head when I need to call the oops.

• 9:05Mae Martin?

  Do you get like guilt if you don't have, like if you have an evening where you're doing fuck all? Do you have like a feeling in your stomach like I, I should be using this time?

• 9:14Fortune Feimster?

  No, I, I mean, as busy as I am and like as crazy as my schedule gets, I love, um, a sit on the couch, do nothing night.

• 9:25Mae Martin?

  Yes.

• 9:25Fortune Feimster?

  And I, or, or a Sunday afternoon. I do not sweat it. I'm like, I hadn't done anything. I don't care. I'm in my sweatpants.

• 9:35Mae Martin?

  That's so nice.

• 9:35Fortune Feimster?

  I know how hard I work and I'm, I'm like, I know I'm not lazy.

• 9:39Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Fortune Feimster?

  But I will have a lazy day here and there because I need it.

• 9:42Mae Martin?

  That's really nice. I saw sinners the other day.

• 9:45Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, yeah?

• 9:46Mae Martin?

  Loved it.

• 9:46Fortune Feimster?

  Everyone's said such great things about it.

• 9:49Mae Martin?

  Well, I like vampires. I'm a vampire guy. Like there's something horny about vampires.

• 9:54Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, so horny.

• 9:55Mae Martin?

  So horny, right?

• 9:56Fortune Feimster?

  I agree.

• 9:57Mae Martin?

  Yeah. And the person I saw it with did not know it was a vampire movie. So like half an hour into it or, or 40 minutes when it was revealed to be vampires, like she thought it was just a Western. So she was like, what the fuck? Which was pretty juicy.

• 10:11Fortune Feimster?

  It is important to know it's about vampires going into it.

• 10:14Mae Martin?

  Or let it surprise you.

• 10:16Fortune Feimster?

  Be, or a real twist.

• 10:18Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Hey, should we see what our listeners want to ask us today?

• 10:21Fortune Feimster?

  Yellow cowboy.

• 10:22Mae Martin?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 10:24Speaker 04

  Hi, handsoms. This is Katie from Portland, Oregon. I'm a veterinarian and a big animal lover and I know you all love animals too. I love hearing about Kitty City, Biggie with his big sparkling lively eyes and the little tiny pups that May had recently. My question for you is, if you could be reincarnated as any animal, what would you want to come back as and why?

• 10:47Mae Martin?

  Oh, incredible question.

• 10:49Fortune Feimster?

  Incredible.

• 10:51Mae Martin?

  Well, I have a theory that people are either birds or dogs.

• 10:54Fortune Feimster?

  Really?

• 10:55Mae Martin?

  I think of the handsome world, I think maybe Tig might be a bird.

• 11:01Fortune Feimster?

  I could see that.

• 11:02Mae Martin?

  I think we're dogs, maybe. Nah, Tig has, has sort of Australian cattle dog energy too sometimes, but, um, so I think dog and I think having just spoken about. Golden retrievers, like, I think that'd be pretty good because the thing about golden retrievers is they take the love they're given and they're thrilled about it. Like, I don't think they're ever going, ugh. I need, like, I wish I had no needs and I could just wait for somebody to get home and then shower them with love and not have any needs.

• 11:32Fortune Feimster?

  And golden retrievers seem oblivious to, like, bad stuff.

• 11:36Mae Martin?

  Oh, they're not stressed about climate change.

• 11:38Fortune Feimster?

  They're too blessed to be stressed.

• 11:39Mae Martin?

  Too blessed to be stressed. Yeah, golden retriever or, or, um, like a dolphin would be cool, but I think they've got the weight of the world on their shoulders. They're too smart.

• 11:49Fortune Feimster?

  Hmm.

• 11:50Mae Martin?

  What about you?

• 11:51Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, I know this is weird because Biggie is right here. He really does have the best life. I would say Pomeranians in general seem to be well taken care of. Their owners are obsessed with them.

• 12:06Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Fortune Feimster?

  I've, I'm not, there's few times I've seen a Pomeranian not being doted on by many.

• 12:13Mae Martin?

  How funny that we both chose animals based on, like, receiving constant love from humans. Like, we both.

• 12:21Fortune Feimster?

  The only bummer is that dogs don't live long enough.

• 12:25Mae Martin?

  That's fine. Like, let me shuffle off the mortal coil when it's all become too much, you know? Like, I just today was talking to someone and being like,

• 12:33Fortune Feimster?

  Shuffle off.

• 12:34Mae Martin?

  I don't know that I fear, I, I mean, obviously, God forbid, like, don't wanna, don't wanna perish, but I do, I, I've read enough, like, mystical things and seen enough, like, people who've had near-death experiences and stuff that I'm like, I think it is just like a huge relief and you get absorbed into some universal love and peace. And I'm like, I think that'll be fun. The sadness comes from the people you leave behind.

• 12:59Fortune Feimster?

  That's true, because they're still, uh, dealing with that grief.

• 13:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so I don't mind. A golden retriever is what, 14 years?

• 13:09Fortune Feimster?

  Twelve to fourteen.

• 13:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah, isn't, is that not enough?

• 13:12Fortune Feimster?

  Like, I don't know.

• 13:13Mae Martin?

  Do we really need more than that?

• 13:14Fortune Feimster?

  Poms can, poms can be anywhere from thirteen to like nineteen.

• 13:19Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 13:20Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, it just depends.

• 13:22Mae Martin?

  Oh, fuck, you know what would be cool though?

• 13:23Fortune Feimster?

  Biggie's eleven.

• 13:24Mae Martin?

  Oh, cutie. You know, um, those giant tortoises that they can, there was one that was around when Darwin was around. And it lived like a hundred years, this tortoise.

• 13:36Fortune Feimster?

  That's, that's definitely too long.

• 13:38Mae Martin?

  But maybe time moves at a different speed when you're just lumbering around.

• 13:41Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I don't wanna live, I, I, I would like somewhere in the middle.

• 13:45Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Fortune Feimster?

  But I don't know.

• 13:47Mae Martin?

  I mean, there's, there's this Greenland shark that has been alive since Napoleonic times. It's like four hundred years old. It's still alive now.

• 13:55Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, no thanks.

• 13:56Mae Martin?

  No thanks, right?

• 13:57Fortune Feimster?

  No thanks.

• 13:58Mae Martin?

  Blind and, and floating through the ocean, kinda confused.

• 14:02Fortune Feimster?

  Even with humans, the one, when they're like, so, you know, Martha just celebrated her hundred and eighth birthday. I'm like, no.

• 14:09Mae Martin?

  Really?

• 14:09Fortune Feimster?

  Don't want that.

• 14:10Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:18Mae Martin?

  The only thing is, there's a lot of books I'd like to read. So I could, if I can still read and, and understand books, I could just hang on for another couple of decades, just reading and catching up. Like, even if I'm sitting in a chair, you know?

• 14:30Fortune Feimster?

  All right. Well, let's hear Katie's answer.

• 14:34Mae Martin?

  Yes, please.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Unlike folks who choose a majestic wild animal like an eagle or a dolphin, I'm not interested in coming back as a creature who has to really work for a living. I would choose to be a pampered house cat.

• 14:46Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  These cats have it so freaking good. They sleep eighteen hours a day. They have a full staff caring for their every need, often overfeeding them. Some even have a custom catio to enjoy.

• 14:58Fortune Feimster?

  A catio?

• 14:59Speaker 04

  They've really got it made. So I choose a house cat.

• 15:02Mae Martin?

  Katie is in line with her thinking.

• 15:05Fortune Feimster?

  They sleep eighteen hours a day, for real?

• 15:08Mae Martin?

  That seems like a lot. Eighteen?

• 15:10Fortune Feimster?

  I've never had a cat, so I don't know.

• 15:12Mae Martin?

  All I know is that they seem to really come alive at night when you're trying to sleep and it's just these like irregular patterns of like

• 15:21Mae Martin?

  across the house.

• 15:22Fortune Feimster?

  And don't they like jump on their owners' like heads and stuff during the middle of the night?

• 15:26Mae Martin?

  Right. Well, that's the thing. They say that it could fall asleep on your head and suffocate you.

• 15:30Fortune Feimster?

  Oh.

• 15:32Mae Martin?

  Well, this is why I'm, I'm dog.

• 15:34Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Mae Martin?

  I'm dog.

• 15:35Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, but he just saddles up to me and, and lays, uh, like, he just, like, lays in, uh, my nook.

• 15:43Mae Martin?

  In your nook?

• 15:44Fortune Feimster?

  My nooks.

• 15:45Mae Martin?

  You mean?

• 15:46Fortune Feimster?

  Like, uh, like where my knee, like, you know where your knee's kind of been? Oh, he'll like dig into there, or like if I'm on my side, he'll dig into like my back.

• 15:55Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 15:56Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 15:58Mae Martin?

  Love it. Let's hear another one.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  Hi, Handsoms. This is Lori from New Jersey. I listen to you guys all the time. Love you. Um, my question is about nature versus nurture. So I found out in my late 40s that I was conceived via sperm donor. Big family secret, all sorts of messy, as you can imagine. Um, and have since, since met and gotten quite close with some of my dibblings, or donor siblings, as we say. Um, and it's been shocking to me, with my sister in particular, how similar we are. Um, and I'm just curious if you have any thoughts about nature versus nurture and the importance of DNA?

• 16:37Mae Martin?

  I think you and I can get to the bottom of this.

• 16:39Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna have all the answers.

• 16:42Mae Martin?

  Yeah. I mean, that's fascinating.

• 16:44Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, that's an age old question, right?

• 16:46Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that is super interesting. And, and I, I, you read about those like twins separated at birth who have identical lives.

• 16:54Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, I do think there are many characteristics that you share because of DNA. But you, you also hear of like, uh, the, the siblings, you know, separated, having wildly different lives. Based on economics and if the parents were loving or together, or there was an alcoholic in the family. I mean, that stuff definitely shapes you as well.

• 17:19Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 17:20Fortune Feimster?

  To me, it's like a combo. I don't know that you can just be based off one thing.

• 17:27Mae Martin?

  A complex combo of the two. And, and each, and each quality is probably different. Like, maybe there's like medical conditions that are largely nature, but maybe there's...

• 17:39Mae Martin?

  Yeah, personality things that are purely nurture. I mean, I think about sexuality a lot and I'm like, I tend to think that that there's so much cultural stuff that like, uh, like they, they studied a thousand different animal species and they found bisexuality in all thousand species and like, and I've met people who are, who say, yeah, if I was growing up now, a hundred percent, I would have been, I would have been bi growing up and explored that part of myself, but I just, you know what I mean?

• 18:09Fortune Feimster?

  Right. Like what was acceptable in certain times is what sort of, uh, was more prevalent.

• 18:17Mae Martin?

  Yeah, like, that's why sometimes like born this way feels like kind of a, a cop out some times because it's kind of being like, please, please let me live because I was just born this way and I can't help it. It's like, well, what if it is, there's an element of it that is a, a choice as well.

• 18:36Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah, but that's probably why there's a spectrum of it, right? Like some people were just like, this is me and this is who I've been since day one. And other people are like, um, I kind of, as I've gotten older, I'm curious about this thing.

• 18:49Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:50Fortune Feimster?

  There's, yeah, different versions of that, but.

• 18:53Mae Martin?

  So we're saying nature.

• 18:54Fortune Feimster?

  I mean, I just think there's no way to not have a combo of the two, like, you know, I've also seen situations where people, um, who've had to overcome a lot, uh, have like perseverance or people that were given everything, sometimes are like a little lazy. Again, these are all like generalizations, um, that, you know, it, it shapes, these circumstances shape you and as far as how you approach the world.

• 19:24Mae Martin?

  Yeah, it seems like the, the general answer is it's a complex combo of the two, but I'm interested in Lori's story and, and, and meeting like biological part relatives and finding similarity. That, that's super interesting. Should we hear what, what she has to say?

• 19:40Speaker 05

  I would say for me, what I've realized is that. They both come into play. You cannot negate one or the other. Um, and I guess the importance of one or the other maybe depends on your family upbringing. I had a fantastic childhood with my family, uh, and I think I very much benefited from the nurture of my environment, but I also really appreciate now that I have this amazing connection with my sister, um, with whom I share half, uh, of the DNA from our sperm donor dad. Thanks you guys so much. Love you. Bye.

• 20:18Mae Martin?

  Thanks, Lori. You ever seen those videos of twins in the womb and they're like playing hide and seek in the womb?

• 20:24Fortune Feimster?

  No, I don't think I've seen that.

• 20:26Mae Martin?

  They're literally, one of them is like hiding behind some uterine lining. It's insane. And they're like playing games with each other. And then when they're born, they continue playing those same games and stuff.

• 20:35Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, wow. Is it prevalent? Um, not that we're experts on twins, but that one's kind of like, uh,

• 20:43Mae Martin?

  Stronger than the

• 20:44Fortune Feimster?

  Stronger.

• 20:45Mae Martin?

  We'd have to ask.

• 20:46Fortune Feimster?

  More dominant one. And then they, that kind of continues.

• 20:50Mae Martin?

  And that's what I've always thought, but maybe that's like a nineties, like a nineties belief.

• 20:55Fortune Feimster?

  I don't know. There's like, sometimes you see these twins or there's like this, like popular, good looking one. And then this like quiet nerdy one.

• 21:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 21:04Fortune Feimster?

  And I feel like the, the one was like the boss in the womb.

• 21:07Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Getting all the nutrients and stuff. I mean, I'd be kind of pissed if I was a baby and I was like, this is supposed to be my time to like germinate and then I'm going to share this little thing with someone else.

• 21:19Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah. I don't know a lot of twins, I guess.

• 21:23Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Fortune Feimster?

  In my own personal life to really, uh,

• 21:27Mae Martin?

  We gotta ask Max and Finn.

• 21:31Fortune Feimster?

  We're like, which one of you is? We could sit Max and Finn down and ask them some questions.

• 21:35Mae Martin?

  We're like, and are you resentful that your womb time was shared?

• 21:40Fortune Feimster?

  They're like, what? We just want to play baseball.

• 21:45Mae Martin?

  Well, this was an absolute blast.

• 21:48Fortune Feimster?

  It sure was, May. I'm glad you started your morning off in such a pleasant way.

• 21:54Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. And I have to do that. I have to say yes to when people invite me for like a coffee and just get out of the house and do that. Yeah.

• 22:04Fortune Feimster?

  I think that's, yeah, my, gonna be my motto moving forward is being open and saying yes to fun new opportunities and just, you know, seeing what life has to offer.

• 22:16Mae Martin?

  I'm gonna hold you to that. I'm gonna hit you up with some invites.

• 22:20Fortune Feimster?

  That's right.

• 22:21Mae Martin?

  I'll keep firing them at you.

• 22:22Fortune Feimster?

  Please do. We're gonna hang, we're gonna hang soon.

• 22:26Mae Martin?

  Do you play foosball?

• 22:27Fortune Feimster?

  Um, I mean, I'm not, I know how to play. I don't, I'm, I will get, I will get back into it for you.

• 22:34Mae Martin?

  I got a table, so.

• 22:35Fortune Feimster?

  You did get a table?

• 22:37Mae Martin?

  I did get a table. I wanna, I wanna have a tournament, you know.

• 22:40Fortune Feimster?

  I love you living your bachelor life.

• 22:43Mae Martin?

  I really am trying my best, but then deep down, I just wanna be a golden retriever waiting for someone to come home.

• 22:49Fortune Feimster?

  Oh, didn't you have people over for your, I was out of town, so I'm not offended, for your birthday?

• 22:54Mae Martin?

  I did, I did indeed.

• 22:56Fortune Feimster?

  And how was that? Was that your first big?

• 22:58Mae Martin?

  Yeah, it was my first, uh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll, I'll talk about it in the main part, but it was, it was a real blast. Thomas came. We played some foosball. Yeah, it was fun.

• 23:07Fortune Feimster?

  Well, we'll, we'll hear more about it when we're with our friend Tig.

• 23:11Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I had a touch of the old birthday depression, but powered through with all the pals.

• 23:16Fortune Feimster?

  Yeah.

• 23:17Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Fortune Feimster?

  I'm glad you were surrounded by your friends.

• 23:21Mae Martin?

  A hundred percent. Even the skunks came to visit late at night. The big bulbous boy and the little baby one.

• 23:27Fortune Feimster?

  That's because you guys had food around.

• 23:30Mae Martin?

  Oh, you're right, actually. Yeah. But then I'm, I'm kind of wanna, I mean, this could, is a slippery slope, but I wanna leave, I wanna attract the animals.

• 23:39Fortune Feimster?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 23:42Mae Martin?

  I'm like, I wanna leave garbage.

• 23:44Fortune Feimster?

  No Dr. Dolittle. We're not, we're not doing that to, not at your house, because it won't get out of control.

• 23:50Mae Martin?

  Yeah, there'd be coyotes.

• 23:51Fortune Feimster?

  Just enjoy the ones that are coming in naturally.

• 23:54Mae Martin?

  Yeah, welcome them, but don't encourage them.

• 23:59Mae Martin?

  Well, please keep submitting your questions. We're loving these.

• 24:02Fortune Feimster?

  That's right.

• 24:03Mae Martin?

  Go to speakpipe.com/hansampod, drop us a line and keep telling your pals about the about the pod and let us know what you want to hear from us and what how you envision the future of handsome.

• 24:15Fortune Feimster?

  That's right.

• 24:16Mae Martin?

  And if you see us walking around the reservoir, please approach us.

• 24:20Fortune Feimster?

  Please. I love a being in the wild and someone telling me to keep it handsome. It's pretty fun.

• 24:28Mae Martin?

  It's the best. Yeah.

• 24:30Fortune Feimster?

  Well, good to see you, pal.

• 24:32Mae Martin?

  Good to see you.

• 24:33Fortune Feimster?

  I hope everybody has an awesome day.

• 24:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah, me too. I hope that too. And I hope everybody remembers too.

• 24:40Fortune Feimster?

  Keep it.

• 24:40Mae Martin?

  Keep it.

• 24:41Fortune Feimster?

  Pretty handsome. Handsome is hosted by me, Fortune Feimster, Tig Notaro, and Mae Martin. The show is produced, recorded, and edited by Thomas Woolett. Email us at [email protected] and follow us on social media at HandsomePod.

• 25:00Fortune Feimster?

  What a podcast.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  That was a HeadGum Podcast.