Pod Insights Scamfluencers Lisette Lee: The Simple Life Of Crime | 167 About this episode Lisette Lee is a party girl heiress who uses money, mean-girl bullying, and her early 2000s glam to control everyone around her. But when daddy’s cash isn’t enough to sustain her lifestyle, she manipulates her adoring posse into acting as her drug mules. But her scheme of trafficking weed via private jet raises suspicions, and drug-sniffing dogs are impervious to her charm.
Be the first to know about Wondery’s newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletter
Listen to Scamfluencers on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/scamfluencers/ http://wondery.com/links/scamfluencers/ now.
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Transcript Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.
0:00 Sarah Hagi? Audible subscribers can listen to all our episodes of Scamfluencers ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app.
0:13 Scaachi Koul? Sarah, do you ever think about the scammers of yore, who we have to thank for the scammers of today? Like, who walked so Anna Delvey could run?
0:22 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, you know, I do think there are true trailblazers in the field. I say the ones who scammed before. There was Photoshop and technology and the type of influence you can find online. Like, those were the OG trailblazers. Saudi Prince. He walked so Anna Delvey could run, for sure.
0:44 Scaachi Koul? Well, I like to think that we opened the door for multiracial scam artist podcasters everywhere.
0:48 Sarah Hagi? Absolutely. We made history, baby.
0:51 Scaachi Koul? You're welcome. Well, today, I'm bringing you back to our era of origin with an early aught scammer that would give the bling ring a run for their stolen money.
1:06 Scaachi Koul? It's autumn 2009 in Los Angeles, and Miley Katie is at the bar at the Ritz Carlton, sipping a dirty martini and reading a book. Miley is 21 years old with long, dark hair and hazel eyes, and she's waiting for a guy. When Mr. Tall, Dark, and Handsome walks into the lobby, she greets him and leads him upstairs to a suite. And then she turns around and goes back to the bar. Miley is an aspiring actress. She's booked small roles on shows like Californication, but she's struggling to make ends meet. She's only here at the Ritz because she was invited by her friend Lisette. She is in awe of Lisette. Miley is from a small town in Washington State, while Lisette is a glamorous Beverly Hills heiress.
1:50 Scaachi Koul? Lisette is an East Asian woman in her late 20s, who nearly always sports a heavy, smoky eye and winged liner. She's confident and outrageous, and she does all kinds of crazy things Miley would never dream of. For example, it's Lisette's birthday, and she wanted to spend the day with Miley at the Ritz. But she also rented this suite to see her boyfriend. Well, one of her boyfriends. That's the guy Miley just let upstairs. After the boyfriend leaves the Ritz, Miley goes up to the suite, expecting to hang with Lisette. But Lisette sends her back to the lobby to wait for another guy and bring him up to the room.
2:27 Sarah Hagi? I feel like it'd be so undignified to kind of be facilitating this, like, "Okay, I guess I'll be the one to run your boyfriends up and down the elevator to visit you." Like, ew.
2:40 Scaachi Koul? Well, eventually, the guys are gone and it's just Miley and Lisette. But Miley is a little anxious because Lisette wants to talk to her about something. Lisette starts with an apology. She says that she's done taking Miley for granted, and she's gonna start making amends by offering Miley a job as her personal assistant. Miley is intrigued. A job is exactly what she needs right now, even if Lisette is just making up a position as a way to give her money. Lisette says that all Miley would have to do is travel with her on a private plane. She'll pay Miley in cash and give her all the time off she needs to get to auditions. It seems simple enough, so Miley says yes. This could be the answer to her prayers,
3:21 Scaachi Koul? but Miley doesn't realize that this so-called job is about to take her on a high-flying adventure. One where she'll discover that behind this queen bee's perfect facade is a hive of secrets.
3:38 Speaker 02 A dark night, a quiet house, but inside, danger was lurking.
3:42 Speaker 03 Oh, not really. We have Xfinity Shield, so we're not worried. What if protecting your home and devices could be drama-free? Xfinity. Imagine that. Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas.
3:53 Speaker 04 In New Orleans, truckers kept getting sideswiped the exact same way. When a man is found murdered under questionable circumstances related to these accidents, the rubber hits the road. Listen to "Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe" wherever you get your podcasts.
4:16 Scaachi Koul? From Wondery, I'm Sachi Cole.
4:18 Sarah Hagi? And I'm Sarah Hagee.
4:19 Scaachi Koul? And this is Scamfluencers.
4:30 Scaachi Koul? Lisette Lee seems like the epitome of a 2000s-era L.A. it girl. She's a beautiful party girl heiress who uses money to control everyone around her: her friends, her boyfriends, and her would-be boyfriends. But when daddy's cash isn't enough to sustain her lifestyle, she makes a hard pivot into a new career as a blingering wannabe who manipulates her adoring posse into acting as her drug mules. I'm calling this one Lisette Lee: The Simple Life of Crime.
5:02 Scaachi Koul? To understand how Lisette became Beverly Hills's pot princess, we need to go back a few decades and go halfway around the world to 1981 in Seoul, South Korea. Pum Ko Lee has just gotten what would be exciting news. His close friend, Yoshi Marida, had a baby. Pum Ko is a taekwondo practitioner in his early 30s. He met Yoshi 13 years ago, when they studied under the same master, and they've stayed close ever since. Pum Ko's stuck with martial arts. He's now a six-degree black belt and has earned the title "Master Lee." The two are still tight. Master Lee later describes their relationship as, quote, "very close, more than brothers."
5:44 Scaachi Koul? But today, Yoshi is calling Master Lee to say that his new baby is a problem. Yoshi is Japanese, and his baby's mother, Corinne, is Korean. The couple can't get married due to prevailing anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea. Plus, Korean culture doesn't look kindly on children raised by unmarried parents, so Yoshi needs his friends' help. Master Lee steps in. He and his wife offer to raise Yoshi's child. They adopt the baby when she's just three weeks old.
6:14 Sarah Hagi? You know, that's a pretty incredible act of friendship to just make that decision, which I'm sure is hard for everyone involved.
6:22 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, it's pretty profound. Well, the baby's birth name is Ji Yoon, but we'll call her Lisette, a name she eventually chooses for herself. In 1986, when Lisette is five, Master Lee makes a big decision. He moves the family to a modest apartment in Beverly Hills. This is partly a work decision. Master Lee has gotten a well-paying job as a taekwondo instructor for Hollywood bigwigs, but this isn't the only thing drawing him to the States. Master Lee intends to raise baby Lisette with the values he's developed as a sixth degree black belt. Discipline, restraint, and self-respect. But to do this, he needs to get Lisette away from the influence of her birth parents.
7:05 Scaachi Koul? Because Corinne and Yoshi are both insanely rich. Corinne is the daughter of the founder of Samsung, and Yoshi's made a fortune in the casino business, an industry that has a lot of unsavory associations in Asia. Yoshi seems to appreciate everything Master Lee is doing to give his daughter a normal upbringing. The two men meet up every year or so, and each time Yoshi gives Master Lee $30,000 to $50,000 in cash. Master Lee could use this money to send Lisette to a fancy private school. Instead, he enrolls her in public school, hoping to keep his adopted daughter away from the corrupting influence of money and privilege. But trying to keep a kid grounded in the heart of Beverly Hills is something even a master can't hope to achieve.
7:51 Scaachi Koul? It's the middle of 2005, and Lisette is on a movie set, wearing a fur coat and being shadowed by a bodyguard. She's in her 20s now, and she's following in the footsteps of the hottest celebrity in LA at the time, Paris Hilton. She's filming a cameo in an indie movie called "The Doorman," playing herself. Master Lee has been trying to protect Lisette from the glamorous LA life, but it has not worked. Even when he pulled her out of school and started teaching her Taekwondo, Yoshi was still there, giving her cash and expensive gifts. Like, on Lisette's 16th birthday, Yoshi gave her a Mercedes convertible and a Ferrari 360 Modena Spider. And even though Master Lee doesn't approve, Lisette and Yoshi see each other in person every once in a while.
8:37 Sarah Hagi? I mean, it must be hard when you definitely have the means to take care of a child, but maybe there's like a level of guilt he feels because it was all about societal pressure and not that he couldn't provide for his daughter?
8:51 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, it's a weird kind of gift-giving routine here.
8:54 Sarah Hagi? Yeah.
8:55 Scaachi Koul? Well, Lisette has used these flashy toys, along with a bit of exaggeration, to turn herself into a larger-than-life character.
9:03 Scaachi Koul? The crew on the movie set has heard the rumors that she's an heiress to the Samsung fortune, so they treat her like a real celebrity. Now, it's true that Lisette's biological mother is a Samsung heiress, but as best we can tell, Lisette has never had a professional or financial relationship with the company. Still, none of the other people at the shoot know this, and Lisette isn't doing anything to dispel the rumors. She seems ready for the attention and immediately takes over the set. At some point, she sets her sight on Scott Brian Cooper, a dark-haired, bearded publicist, aspiring actor, and party boy in his mid-30s. When shooting stops for the day, Lisette sends her bodyguard home and hops into bed with Scott. But Lisette is currently living with someone, her boyfriend, Christian Navarro.
9:48 Scaachi Koul? Christian is a sharply dressed man with neat hair who wears horn-rimmed glasses. He's a successful wine entrepreneur who's more than a decade older than Lisette. But Lisette isn't sure she even wants to be with Christian. She started dating him because someone dared her to. And besides, being in a stable relationship doesn't exactly reflect a party girl lifestyle.
10:09 Sarah Hagi? Um, okay. She was dared to have a live-in boyfriend? What is thi— what movie is this?
10:17 Scaachi Koul? Well, I guess she was dared to ask him a fir— you know that thing of like, "Oh, man, I gave this guy a chance, and now I live with him"?
10:23 Sarah Hagi? Oh, my God, that is so insane. But you know what? Yeah, sure. I mean, it's crazy that she's like, "Well, I guess I live with this guy, but if I'm a real party girl, I should be with someone else."
10:36 Scaachi Koul? Well, don't get me wrong. She is getting something out of their relationship. Christian's wine connections in Hollywood get him into fancy events attended by celebrities like Pierce Brosnan and Julia Louis-Dreyfus. And obviously, Lisette is his plus-one. Now, Lisette is interested in Scott for similar reasons. He has connections in the entertainment industry, including a record producer who agrees to produce an album for her. Lisette approaches music the same way she approached acting. She's less interested in making music and more into being the kind of person who can. So, of course, she shows up to the recording studio wearing intense makeup and designer sunglasses, likely carrying a chihuahua, again trailed by a bodyguard.
11:21 Scaachi Koul? By now, she knows exactly how she wants to come across: as a controlling, batshit diva. She looks around the room and notices that one of the people present is a 6'3", 400-pound black guy. She throws him the keys, calls him the N-word, and tells him to park the car. There's a moment of hesitation, but then almost everyone starts cracking up. And the producer then reportedly says, quote, "This girl's a star."
11:48 Sarah Hagi? Wow. This is so disturbing and diabolical.
11:54 Scaachi Koul? Isn't it crazy? This is like how we were raised in this cultural environment?
11:58 Sarah Hagi? Yes.
11:59 Scaachi Koul? Yes. Well, Sarah, you and I know that there's more to being a diva than throwing around racial slurs and having a squad of men desperate for your attention. If Lisette's gonna be a true, early 2000s glamour monster, she needs one more thing: an uncomfortably close, borderline homoerotic female friendship. The Nicole to her Paris.
12:21 Scaachi Koul? It's November 2005, and Miley is driving up to a fancy West Hollywood apartment. She's nervous about meeting a new potential friend: Lisette. A mutual friend said she simply had to meet this Samsung heiress. Miley was skeptical, and that wasn't helped by what she found when they connected on MySpace. Lisette's username was RoyalPrincess007, and her page had an auto-playing rap song and blingy animations along with glamorous modeling photos. But their mutual friend told Miley that Lisette's looking for more down-to-earth friends: ones who haven't been corrupted by a rich Hollywood life. And after reading Lisette's first message to her, Miley decides to give her a chance. Sarah, will you read some of what Lisette wrote?
13:06 Sarah Hagi? I would love to. She says, "You'll get to know me and find out for yourself that I'm not what you might think. People misjudge me simply because I'm an heiress. Unfortunately, my former schoolmate, Paris Hilton, has given heiresses a bad name. We are not all like that. I don't only like to hang out with other rich people, and I care about more than just money." Yeah, okay. If you have to say it that way, it's not true. And you know what? I would assume most heirs and heiresses to a huge fortune are assholes. Also, she's connected to a family by blood, sure. Is she an actual heiress? No.
13:47 Scaachi Koul? You're making great points. And when Miley pulls up today, she sees Lisette's purple Mercedes and worries that she might have made a mistake. She's nervous when Lisette insists that they go shopping. But to her relief, they don't hit the fanciest stores on Melrose Avenue. And Lisette is actually nice to the sales staff. Sure, Lisette insults Miley's taste in music almost immediately and tells her that she should start doing cocaine to lose weight. But Miley is new to L.A. and figures that this is probably normal here. Plus, she finds Lisette magnetic. When Lisette later tells her, quote, "I just know we're gonna be best friends." Miley believes her. Here is a photo of the two of them together, Sarah.
14:28 Sarah Hagi? Okay, so it's a photo of them together and Lisette, you know, she's smizing.
14:34 Scaachi Koul? She's smizing.
14:35 Sarah Hagi? And Miley is thrilled, full teeth smile, which she will learn, hot girls don't do that. You never smile with your teeth. It's a rule that they all have. It's unspoken, but that is how you know a baddie from a normie.
14:50 Scaachi Koul? I mean, you know I don't like to smile with my teeth, that's true.
14:52 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, and I smile with my teeth, and that's why you're a baddie. But you know what is so fascinating here? Is that this is such a classic female friendship, like Clueless-esque, rich girl.
15:05 Scaachi Koul? She's nice to me when no one's around.
15:07 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, exactly. It's like, this is such a classic type of female friendship that is like borderline triggering.
15:16 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, well, I don't think it's gonna get that much better.
15:19 Sarah Hagi? And I'm excited to see where this goes. I can't wait to see them maximize their joint sleigh.
15:26 Scaachi Koul? Two queens. Well, after their shopping trip, Lisette takes Miley back to her condo. Miley is stunned as the elevator takes them to the top floor of the building and the heavy wooden door opens into a long hallway. Inside, the condo has polished granite countertops, heavy gold curtains, and a primary bedroom covered in mirrors. Lisette makes them Bloody Marys, and she spills everything to Miley about her boyfriend Christian and her birthright as an heiress to Samsung. Miley later learns that Lisette was mixing truth and fiction, claiming that her parents live in Bel-Air and that her dad was instrumental in Sony's success. But today, Miley is riveted as Lisette tells her that she skipped two grades at the elite Buckley School.
16:11 Scaachi Koul? And not long after, she also claims to be seeing Leonardo DiCaprio and Channing Tatum. Miley is totally swept away by Lisette's confidence and her glamorous life. In just a few weeks, they become incredibly close. Sure, it's a little strange that they only hang out one-on-one in Lisette's condo with no cell phones, TV, or music. And the emotional intensity of their friendship can be a lot. Like, one time, Miley tells Lisette that some of her hometown friends used to bully her in elementary school. And Lisette says, quote, "These people make me fucking sick. They were never your friends. I would never do that to you." Miley feels defensive of her old friends, but she appreciates Lisette's protectiveness. She finds herself fantasizing
16:55 Scaachi Koul? about having had a friend like her as a child.
16:59 Scaachi Koul? It seems like she's made a rare and special connection, and she feels privileged to see the softer, private side of Lisette. But one day, Miley opens a drawer in Lisette's hallway and finds a handgun. When Miley asks Lisette about it, Lisette says that she should feel safer knowing Lisette could protect them. Miley later writes in her memoir, Smoke, that, quote, "I did feel safer knowing that she would be willing to kill someone to save me."
17:25 Sarah Hagi? "Save you from what? What are we talking about here? You are two girls who like buying things."
17:35 Scaachi Koul? "Save her from the haters and the hoes."
17:36 Sarah Hagi? "Okay, it's like, so confusing."
17:40 Scaachi Koul? Well, all this over-the-top love bombing comes with a flip side. Lisette can be casually cruel. Miley later says Lisette introduces her to Scott as her, quote, "little desperate whore."
17:55 Sarah Hagi? That's what I'm gonna start calling you.
17:58 Sarah Hagi? Oh yeah, her. She's my little desperate whore. That's amazing.
18:03 Scaachi Koul? Well, after Miley finds a boyfriend, Lisette demands to scroll through her phone to keep tabs on her. Their Insta-relationship has shifted from being a love fest into straight-up abuse. Miley is fully caught in Lisette's thrall, and she's not the only one.
18:22 Scaachi Koul? It's summer 2009, and Scott knows he should stop seeing Lisette. They've been hanging out for a few years now, and she humiliates him pretty much every chance she gets. One night, he even ran into Lisette and her boyfriend, Christian, at Spago, and he's sure that she set it up to embarrass him. Still, there's something about Lisette that keeps him coming back. Maybe it's the 20 grand she's been promising to invest into his clothing company, which still hasn't materialized. That's why he's invited her to a party at the house of his record producer friend, where he's been crashing for a little while. But when she shows up, she gets distracted by another guy. His name is David Garrett. He's in his late 20s, with a shaved head, covered in tattoos,
19:07 Scaachi Koul? and wearing pricey jeans and a black polo.
19:11 Scaachi Koul? David is a drug dealer, and Lisette insists on trying his product. She cuts up some of his coke with a butcher knife from the kitchen. Then she throws a $100 bill at Scott and tells him to go out and get her a bottle of Grey Goose. He wants to tell her to fuck off, but she's so commanding that he does what she says. When he comes back to the room where she's chatting up David, Lisette grabs the bottle and slams the door in his face.
19:37 Sarah Hagi? I mean, she treats people like garbage.
19:41 Scaachi Koul? I know. I honestly kind of find it really aspirational.
19:44 Sarah Hagi? Oh, God.
19:45 Scaachi Koul? Well, Scott knows that he should probably cut his losses and move on. But he can't let it go. So a few weeks later, he decides to get back at Lisette. He tells her that he can't believe she hooked up with a, quote, "thug." And he threatens to get in touch with Samsung to tell them what their Hollywood heiress has been up to. Scott and Lisette decide to meet up and talk things over. Lisette sends a black Escalade to pick Scott up. But when he gets into the car, Lisette isn't there. Instead, two big, muscly guys grab him and pull him into the backseat. The driver reportedly calls someone on the phone and says, "Yes, boss, we have the package." Then, the two big guys take Scott's watch, shoes, and wallet
20:29 Scaachi Koul? before leaving him on the side of the road. They do leave him with his phone, though, and that way, he can read the texts that he gets from Lisette later that night. Can you read what she said?
20:38 Sarah Hagi? Yes. She says, "Nobody talks to me like that. Now you see." Um, she is straight up crazy. Like, there's no other way to slice it. Also, I feel like he won't dig any further into her being a Samsung heiress now. This is kind of a way to show, like, "I do whatever the hell I want." And now you see what happens to people who do that.
21:02 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, this is gangster behavior. Well, Scott tried to push back against Lisette, and he suffered the consequences. But while being roughed up and mugged is a terrifying experience, Scott was right to push Lisette away when he did. Because while Scott doesn't have the power to threaten Lisette's cushy lifestyle, she's about to get involved in something that really, really does. David and Lisette's hookup turns into a relationship, even though they come from very different backgrounds. David was raised by a single mother, dropped out of high school, and started dealing drugs. Like Scott, he's insecure and nervous about keeping Lisette's attention. To keep her interested, he starts bragging about his connections in the drug trade.
21:46 Scaachi Koul? David tells Lisette that he has a supplier who can get him near endless amounts of weed at 500 bucks a pound. He says he also has contacts in Ohio who will buy from him for double that. So, if he can find a way to get it to Ohio, he can make a ton of money. Lisette is really interested, and says there's an easy solution to his problem: just hire a private jet. Sure, it costs 50 grand, but they can fit a lot of weed on a jet, which means they can cover the fee and still make a tidy profit.
22:14 Sarah Hagi? That's insane. Also, people look at what's on jets.
22:20 Sarah Hagi? You're not in this like maritime law like-
22:23 Scaachi Koul? No man's land.
22:24 Sarah Hagi? World.
22:26 Scaachi Koul? The sky has no rules.
22:27 Sarah Hagi? Just because the jet is private doesn't mean no one's gonna search it.
22:30 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, it's boneheaded.
22:32 Sarah Hagi? Ugh.
22:32 Scaachi Koul? Well, Lisette offers to charter the jet, using her flashy lifestyle as a cover for the shipment. And David realizes, she's serious. At first, he isn't sure why a rich girl like Lisette would be so keen on turning to crime. Maybe her allowance isn't enough for the lifestyle she wants. Or maybe it's just a thrill. He knows Lisette's favorite movie is Scarface. Maybe she's just seen it one too many times. Later, he tells Rolling Stone that Lisette was, quote, "one of those rich girls that was bored." Whatever the reason, David can't pass up on an opportunity this good. He agrees to supply the pot and handle sales in Ohio. But it's up to Lisette to transport the goods. Still, David's concerned about getting a privileged, rich girl involved in a life of crime.
23:17 Scaachi Koul? If things go bad, he could be in a lot of trouble. The justice system wouldn't look kindly on him, and neither would Lisette's father, who seems to have some scary connections in Japan. But what David doesn't realize is that he's not the mastermind here. He's Lisette's first criminal dupe.
23:40 Speaker 05 There are books that change how you see the world. And there are books that change how you see yourself. In a new podcast series, A Great Book with Barack Obama, President Obama sits down with a series of surprising and sharp guests to explore six books that have shaped his life and perspective on the world. From Song of Solomon and The Fire Next Time, to All the Pretty Horses and Gilead. The president is joined by guests like Tom Hanks and Ta-Nehisi Coates to reflect on how these timeless stories shaped his thinking on everything from fatherhood to leadership. And discover together what they tell us about the world we live in and the world we want to create.
24:23 Speaker 05 Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of A Great Book with Barack Obama ad-free right now. Plus, access each audiobook discussed in the series. Download the Audible app today.
24:40 Speaker 06 Dr. Seuss's Cat in the Hat and Fish are back for a whole lot of wonderfully whimsical fun. What happens when you switch bodies with your best friend? Discover a caveman frozen in ice? Or make an alien so angry he threatens to destroy the planet? Find out in season two of the Cat in the Hat podcast. The Cat and Fish are traveling the world in the great catastrophic cacophony cruiser, meeting genies, clown professors, cave trolls, and extraordinary characters along the way. With clever wordplay, imaginative rhymes, original songs, and stories celebrating curiosity, empathy, and creative problem solving, every adventure brings something new to discover.
25:22 Speaker 06 It's a world of wonderful words, big imaginations, and plenty of heart for the whole family. Listen to the Cat in the Hat podcast wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all 20 episodes early and ad-free right now.
25:42 Scaachi Koul? A few weeks after Lisette and David meet, Miley is linking up with Lisette at a hotel in Beverly Hills. Miley agreed to be Lisette's personal assistant about a week ago. Now, she's here to start her new job. Miley parks a few blocks away and walks, per Lisette's request. Lisette doesn't want anyone to see that Miley drives a VW Beetle. Miley arrives at the hotel and finds her friend sipping a gin and tonic in the lounge. Lisette is gathering everyone involved in her new venture. And Miley is surprised to see that this includes not one, but two of Lisette's boyfriends. There's David, the drug dealer.
26:23 Scaachi Koul? But Lisette has also brought in Henry Hernandez, a 22-year-old who works as a doorman in her building. On top of that, there's Lisette's bodyguard and a friend of David's who fawns over Lisette like she's a real-life princess. Lisette asks Miley and Henry to go sit outside by the pool for a while. The two get to talking, and Henry tells Miley he dropped out of college because he couldn't afford tuition. This job is important to him. But like Miley, he also doesn't know what Lisette's getting them into. When Lisette calls them back in, she tells Miley to meet at David's place on Friday. Then they'll fly out on a private jet before returning the next day on a commercial flight. Lisette says that she isn't coming because she has meetings. So Miley has to go in her place to,
27:07 Scaachi Koul? in Lisette's words, "keep an eye on the boys." Miley still doesn't know why they're actually making the trip, but assumes that it must have something to do with Lisette's father's casino business. Lisette tells her to respond to any questions from friends or family by saying that she has to sign an NDA.
27:23 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, that wouldn't concern them at all, right? If your friend got a job being her friend's assistant and was like, "Actually, I can't tell you anything about what's going on with my mildly abusive friend because I signed an NDA."
27:35 Scaachi Koul? Yeah.
27:36 Sarah Hagi? You'd be like, "I'm kidnapping you and saving you." I think everybody would be totally cool with it.
27:43 Scaachi Koul? Well, a few days later, Miley accompanies Lisette to a bank in Beverly Hills. In the parking lot outside, Lisette casually pulls out 40 grand in cash to show Miley what it looks like. Inside the bank, Lisette introduces Miley as her assistant and deposits cash into Miley's account. Afterwards, she books a private jet using Miley's information and bank account. Miley is uncomfortable with this, but she's Lisette's employee now, and she doesn't want to disappoint her. And besides, Lisette tells her it basically doesn't count if the money is only in her account for a few minutes.
28:17 Sarah Hagi? That is like the three-second rule of money.
28:21 Scaachi Koul? Yeah.
28:22 Sarah Hagi? Like, it's still good. It's still good. No, no, no, no. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's like this rich person log. You don't know about it. It's about money, yeah.
28:28 Scaachi Koul? God. Well, Miley does still have a few questions. Like, aren't there going to be tax issues? Why do the payments have to go through her account? And why are they booking this private jet in the first place? Here's Miley describing what happened next in an interview with ABC's 2020. She said, "You know what? Your job is so easy. I don't know what you're complaining about. If you want, I would be more than happy to throw a stick down Sunset Boulevard and hit some other dumb broad who would do it for half the money."
28:59 Sarah Hagi? I like that Miley can laugh about this. I mean, it's objectively funny. However, I'm not Miley. I don't know what it'd be like to be in that mindset. Would I continue doing it just to see it through? Perhaps? Like, what is this crazy woman gonna do?
29:15 Scaachi Koul? Well, obviously, Miley goes ahead with the plan. On Friday, she meets David and the other boys at David's building. Lisette told her to dress like a diva, but Miley didn't really know what that meant. So she's wearing jeans, boots, and a basic black top. She also brought a coat, because David told her that they were heading somewhere cold. Lisette said that there was no room for extra bags on the plane, and Miley quickly finds out why. They're bringing seven suitcases with them that are so heavy, the guys struggle to load them into a limo. Miley still has no idea what's inside. She goes with the luggage to Van Nuys Airport, while David heads to LAX. When Miley gets on the tiny plane, she still doesn't know where she's headed or why. She falls asleep for a few hours
30:00 Scaachi Koul? and then wakes up as they touchdown on a frosty tarmac. Miley offers to help the guys with the bags. After some confusion, they rent a car and drive out to an old, rundown chain motel. Miley still doesn't even know what state they're in. But the next day, David hands Miley an envelope full of cash and puts her and Henry in a cab to the airport, where she finally learns where they are. Columbus, Ohio. They fly commercial back to LA, where Miley uses the money to pay off her bills and fill up her fridge for the first time in months. At least on paper, it seems like everything went according to plan. But it turns out that Lisette is not happy. Remember how Miley offered to help with the bags? Well, Lisette heard about that, and she is pissed.
30:43 Scaachi Koul? Apparently, it meant that no one would believe Miley is a proper diva. And for some reason, Miley doesn't fully understand that's a problem. Lisette says that now she has to come on all of their trips going forward. Oh, and she's docking Miley's pay. Miley is rattled, but she's still getting paid pretty well. They start making more trips with nicer planes and fancier hotels. Miley later says that running around with Lisette makes her feel like Ray Liotta's wife in Goodfellas. This feeling only intensifies when Lisette buys her a 2.5-carat diamond ring and tells her to wear it on her engagement finger. Sarah, take a look at this picture of Miley on one of their flights.
31:23 Sarah Hagi? I know a BlackBerry photo when I see one. This is BlackBerry bold, baby. It's an original. They're on a private jet, and it's a photo of Miley smiling, just being Miley, one would say, holding a chihuahua and a glass of wine, probably. You know, everything here is spelling like, "I'm gonna frame you," being like, "I'm so upset that you didn't look rich enough and that you helped with the bags."
31:52 Scaachi Koul? Well, this goes on for a few months, and then, in January, Miley notices something on one of their flights. She can smell pot. Actually, the scent becomes so overwhelming that she later writes that it was like being, quote, "stuck inside of a flying blunt." When they land and check into the hotel, Lisette complains that the plane smelled like a Cypress Hill show. That's how Miley realizes that her weird little job is actually cross-country drug trafficking. But she's way past her first hit and in too deep with Lisette to get out now. It's spring 2010, and Lisette is at a hotel bar with Miley. Her phone rings, lines from the movie Scarface over music, and she's pleased to see that
32:35 Scaachi Koul? it's a new guy she's brought into both her drug operation and her roster of boyfriends. Lisette needs fresh blood, because a lot of people are leaving her. Henry bailed on the operation when he realized what he'd gotten into. David, who knew all along, said that she was being unprofessional and unpredictable, and left. Even Christian, her long-suffering boyfriend, is out of the picture now. To make matters worse, Miley won't shut up about her own boyfriend. One night, Lisette asks Miley who she would choose to kill if she was forced to pick between them. And sure, eventually, Miley says that she'd save Lisette, but she hesitated.
33:13 Sarah Hagi? What on earth? What the hell is going on? Lisette is so weird. Not only is she crazy, she's weird. First of all, Scarface ringtone is really funny.
33:25 Sarah Hagi? It's really funny.
33:26 Scaachi Koul? She loves a theme.
33:28 Sarah Hagi? But being like, okay, you have to kill one of us. Who do you pick? And then being like upset at the hesitation. It's like, what are you grooming her to be? Your henchwoman, your bodyguard, your proxy, your best friend? Like, what is it? Because it's not really clear.
33:44 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, it seems like Lizette wants loyalty, but she doesn't even know for what. Despite all of her challenges, Lizette is nothing if not resourceful. Sure, she could just cut her losses and move on, but the flow of money from her father is still a little unpredictable. She's had to borrow cars from friends on occasion, and she's even started sticking other people with the bills when she goes out to eat. So when David left her, she went straight to his weed supplier and convinced him to sell to her directly. Team LL, as Lizette has dubbed the remaining crew, is doing just fine without the middleman. She's seen enough movies to know how to be the boss. Everyone has their burner phone and double O code name. Lizette's, of course, is double O seven. She continues booking the flights under a fake name
34:29 Scaachi Koul? and routes the money through Miley's bank account. When airport staff asks why Lizette is traveling with so much luggage, she just tells them that she's moving to Ohio. But the stress is getting to her. She starts drinking heavily on the flights. She forces members of the gang to prove their loyalty by firing them and making them beg for their jobs back. On one flight, she has Miley and the gang spray entire bottles of air freshener onto their suitcases to hide the pot stench. But it doesn't help. It just makes the plane smell like a mix of weed and several gallons of Febreeze. Throughout it all, Lizette tries desperately to maintain her image. Like, she goes out of her way to show Miley two paintings by a French artist that she says were gifts from her mother.
35:14 Scaachi Koul? But they're actually commercial prints available at places like Bed Bath & Beyond. Lisette has spent years living the high life at the expense of everyone around her. But things are coming undone, and soon, she's gonna be in for a crash landing.
35:32 Scaachi Koul? It's mid-June in 2010, and Special Agent Matthew Hughfelder is at the Columbus Airport, waiting for a Gulfstream jet to land. Matthew is a clean-shaven, mostly bald DEA agent in his 40s, and he's been investigating mysterious shipments of pot that have been coming into Ohio for the last seven months. Some colleagues in LA have tipped him off to a series of suspicious private flights that might be the source. Who would fly from LA to Ohio on private jets more than 10 times in a year with a ton of baggage if they weren't carrying drugs or drug money?
36:07 Sarah Hagi? It's so insane that this very obvious flaw in this plan Lisette has is just like not on her radar. That's the number one question. Who is going from LA to Ohio with a bunch of bags all the time?
36:23 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, it's a good question. Well, after the jet lands, Matthew and his team watch several burly men emerge from the plane and unload 13 suitcases as two women accompanying them stand and watch. The luggage is so heavy that the crew can barely move it. They're preparing to shift the cases into waiting vehicles, but as the group goes to leave the airport, Matthew takes action. He moves on the crew with his armed backup and informs them that he's from the DEA. While most of Lisette's group tries to stay calm, one of them seems extremely flustered, and that, of course, is Miley. She's so obviously out of her depth. One of Matthew's agents asks her, "You're not in charge here, are you?" Matthew and his agents can tell who's running the show.
37:07 Scaachi Koul? Lisette has never been a shrinking violet, and she won't start now. Lisette tries to tell Matthew a story about bringing supplies to her boyfriend's horse farm, though she can't provide his last name. She also insists that she's a Korean pop star and model. But Matthew has brought someone with him that she can't lie to: a drug-stiffing canine. The dog goes nuts, and Matthew orders agents to open the van and take the luggage out. Here's a picture of the dog next to the suitcases. Sarah, please describe this very good boy.
37:38 Sarah Hagi? Okay, so here is this cop dog. Cop dog. Standing in front of... He looks like a baby. He looks like a baby, like, I mean, free him, first of all. Mmm.
37:48 Scaachi Koul? Cats would never work for the police, by the way.
37:49 Sarah Hagi? No, of course not. The amount of bags of weed behind him is astronomical. It's such a huge amount of drugs to be carelessly traveling with.
38:02 Scaachi Koul? Mm-hmm.
38:02 Sarah Hagi? I'm shocked by the volume.
38:04 Scaachi Koul? Yeah, Sarah, it's more than 500 pounds of weed, as well as a little bit of coke, and a purchase ledger for the merchandise written in plain English on a hotel notepad. Michael Cotley's at red-handed. Except when he sits down to interrogate her, she says she has no idea what he's talking about. She says she was paid to make the trip and had no idea what she was transporting, but figured it had something to do with, quote, "weapons and money laundering" or something. Matthew knows this can't be true. According to the charter flight records and interviews he's conducted in L.A., Lisette has made 14 of these trips, moving about 500 pounds of weed each time. She has shipped over 7,000 pounds of cannabis total
38:47 Scaachi Koul? for a net profit of over $3 million. Sarah, can you read how an assistant U.S. attorney later described it?
38:54 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, they describe it as, "enough to put one reefer in every seat of Ohio Stadium for the first four games of the Ohio State University football season." Okay, I get this is America and everything is about stadiums and sports and hamburgers and shit, but just give us... Give us a true one-to-one. I don't know what this means. What is one reefer? Is that a joint? Yes, it's a joint. One joint for every person. It was enough to get a bunch of people at a football game stoned. Thank you. Yeah, which sounds great, actually. Yeah.
39:28 Scaachi Koul? Well, Matthew and the Attorney General's office think this is gonna be an open-and-shut case. But Lisette isn't about to back down. And she's gonna pull out all the stops to try to pin her crimes on the very people she used to commit them.
39:48 Speaker 07 Imagine you're reading Pride and Prejudice, except you're not reading it. Harris Dickinson and Marissa Abella are reading it to you on Audible. Her barbs sting you. His coldness sends a shiver up your spine. Your heart aches. Your ears burn. You yearn for Elizabeth and Mr. Darcy to profess their undying love for one another. You can't bear it any longer. Well, maybe a chapter longer. Performance is so good, you'll give love a second chance. Audible, stories that speak to you.
40:18 Speaker 04 A trucker merges onto the I-10 in New Orleans. He checks his mirrors. The lane is clear. And then, boom, impact. A pickup truck, seemingly out of nowhere, scrapes down the side of his 18-wheeler. Multiple passengers inside. One man flees the scene. And the driver of the pickup? He doesn't seem all that upset. It didn't feel like a regular accident, because it wasn't. Across the city, truckers are getting sideswiped, all on the same stretch of the same freeway. And behind many of the cases is one person, a Hollywood stunt woman turned personal injury lawyer named Vanessa Moda. This podcast is a story about fake accidents that lead to real consequences and a scheme that ends in betrayal and murder.
41:04 Speaker 04 Listen to Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe wherever you get your podcasts. Audible subscribers can binge all episodes early and ad-free right now. Join Audible in the Audible app or by subscribing on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
41:26 Scaachi Koul? About six months after she was arrested on the tarmac, Lisette is sitting in an imposing, neoclassical courthouse in downtown Columbus. David, Henry, and most of the other members of Team LL have already pleaded out. Now it's Lisette's turn. It turns out the DEA only got her because she kept feeding airport staff the same lie. They started to wonder: Just how many times can one woman move to Ohio? About three months after Lisette and her crew got caught, a grand jury charged her with 15 counts, including conspiracy to distribute and possession with intent to distribute 1,000 kilograms or more of marijuana. Lisette was pissed. She even called one of her associates in LA to try to get him to hide the drug money. And she vowed to fight the charges in court.
42:12 Scaachi Koul? But the trial was awful for Lisette, and not just because of potential prison time. People did show up for her. Master Lee offered to monitor her 24 hours a day in his home, or even stay in Columbus to watch her until her court date. Even her ex, Christian, flew out to testify on her behalf, saying he still does regular Taekwondo lessons with Master Lee. But each hearing was an opportunity to air more of her dirty laundry. The circumstances of her adoption, the lies about her childhood, it all came out. Samsung even issued a public statement disavowing any relationship between Lisette and the company, despite her aunt testifying otherwise. It was a crushing blow to the mythos of Lisette Lee.
42:55 Scaachi Koul? She was so angry that she fired the expensive lawyers her family hired, got new ones, and then fired those lawyers. She even argued in federal court that the judge couldn't fairly determine her fate because the judge is, quote, "non-Asian" and presumably not the progeny of an internationally prominent family and seemingly not aware or sensitive to the many nuances, demands, and societal burdens contained therefrom.
43:21 Scaachi Koul? In the end, she decides to take a plea deal for six years. Her sentence is light, perhaps because of some powerful letters the court received from her family. Sarah, do you want to read this quote by Lisette's birth father, Yoshi?
43:33 Sarah Hagi? He says, "In pursuing the creation and maintenance of my own empire, I have sacrificed an invaluable aspect of being a 'normal dad' in society's eyes. I believe my daughter's mistake was an indirect statement of rebellion towards me." I mean, it could be, but also, it's still not really an excuse. I think it is really probably tough to know that you were put up for adoption in some sense because of societal pressure and not because your parents couldn't provide for you or that they were too young or something. But also, she was given quite a lot.
44:07 Scaachi Koul? Yeah. Well, Lisette isn't done trying to control her life's narrative. She files a motion requesting that her sentence be vacated or reduced, alleging that her lawyers undermined her case with, quote, "self-serving television appearances and news articles." Then, in May 2012, she gets in touch with a reporter named Sabrina Erdley. Sabrina reached out to Lisette back in 2010 to ask about profiling her for Rolling Stone. Sabrina said she would humanize Lisette, in contrast to the sensational coverage of her crimes. At first, Lisette said no, but now she's ready to talk. Lisette sits down with Sabrina in the federal prison in Dublin, California, where she's serving her sentence. She sports blue-colored contacts and heavy makeup,
44:50 Scaachi Koul? and she tries her best to make her case. She calls her lawyers "bumblefuck incompetence." She claims to be using her, quote, "vacation in prison as a learning experience," and says that she's trying to think of it as a kind of no-frills boarding school. And, for some reason, she does the entire interview in a British accent.
45:12 Sarah Hagi? Why wouldn't she? Why not? Why not? I think this is her breaking down mentally.
45:19 Scaachi Koul? Yeah. Well, throughout the interview, Lisette blames everyone else. She says that David manipulated her into the plot. She calls Miley, quote, "a known drug user," and points out that the flights were chartered in her name. Of course, this was the whole point of booking the flights that way in the first place. But when Sabrina's story is published in Rolling Stone, Lisette is less than thrilled. She responds in a later issue of the magazine. Sarah, can you read some of it?
45:47 Sarah Hagi? Yeah, she says, "My greatest fear was that this would be a takedown piece, a total hatchet job. That fear, unfortunately, has been realized. It is completely defamatory, salacious, and frankly, catty." You know, she is someone who could be saying a lot worse, as we know. But it's always funny to me when someone responds this way to an interview or some type of profile with a journalist that they don't know at all, that owes them nothing, because if it doesn't turn out the way they want it to, it's like automatically a hit piece, which I'm sure you haven't ever experienced with any of your subjects, right, Sachi?
46:25 Scaachi Koul? I have no idea what you're talking about. This has never happened to me before in my life.
46:30 Sarah Hagi? As I was saying that, like, four profiles you have written popped into my head.
46:36 Scaachi Koul? That's wrong. Everybody likes everything I write. Nobody has any complaints.
46:42 Scaachi Koul? Well, Lisette says that the article isn't an accurate portrayal, that it's based on interviews with a small number of people who didn't know her very well, and that Sabrina has tried to make her look like, quote, "a complete head case." It's worth noting that, a couple of years later, Sabrina and Rolling Stone made headlines for her retracted, defamatory story about a rape case at a college in Virginia. But there have been no indications of faulty reporting on Lisette, except from Lisette herself. The truth about Lisette is now out in the open. For the public, it's a bizarre and entertaining spectacle. But for the people who were closest to her, it's a startling revelation that she's lied about nearly everything she's ever told them. Lisette is finally facing consequences for her actions,
47:27 Scaachi Koul? but the damage she's done to other people's lives might exceed what she's done to her own.
47:35 Scaachi Koul? Lisette, of course, isn't the only one facing legal consequences. On August 26, 2011, Miley holds her breath as the judge reads out her sentence in the Columbus Federal Courthouse. She's terrified she'll get years in prison and be dragged out screaming by armed guards. Instead, the judge gives her 30 days in custody, a year of house arrest, and three years probation.
47:59 Scaachi Koul? Before her sentence begins, Miley reads about Lisette's own six-year present sentence in the newspaper. Soon after, she receives a call from someone she hasn't spoken to in a long time, the friend who introduced her to Lisette in the first place. He tells her that he has Lisette on the other line. She wants to talk. Miley thinks about accepting, but ultimately she says no. And minutes later, she gets another call from a restricted number, and she ignores it.
48:26 Sarah Hagi? You know, at that point, I would just accept. I would just be like, you're like in too deep. What more could she do? I'm out of this. What could she possibly have to say? Like, I would pick up the phone for the plot completely.
48:40 Scaachi Koul? You're such a sucker, Sarah.
48:42 Sarah Hagi? I am. I'm such a sucker. I would do it.
48:44 Scaachi Koul? While Miley serves one month in prison in Victorville, California, after her release, she returns to LA, where she begins writing a blog called "House Arrest Girl." During this time, she meets a producer who gets her a literary agent. She develops her story into a book called Smoke: How a small-town girl accidentally wound up smuggling 7,000 pounds of marijuana with the pot princess of Beverly Hills. In the book, she notes that she never spoke to Lisette again after their arrest, saying, quote, "She had to be dead to me, and I would be dead to her. I could never hate her. If I allowed that to happen, I risked the possibility of loving her again." Kylie didn't find success as an actor, but she began a new career in PR after the publication of the book. David, meanwhile, got 10 years.
49:29 Scaachi Koul? The feds eventually caught his supplier, who they alleged had connections to a Mexican cartel. And as for Lisette, she stayed out of the spotlight since her release in 2015. She's now in her mid-40s and seems to have put her glamorous days of success behind her. If anything, she seems to be living out the one thing she was always running away from: a quiet, anonymous existence.
49:54 Scaachi Koul? Sarah, unfortunately, I love this scammer because I think it's funny when women are rude. Which I know is not a laudable position, but I do think some of the things she said are genuinely so funny.
50:05 Sarah Hagi? She was really funny to me because she was trying so hard to be someone she wasn't. You know, there was this whole playbook she was following to try and be this type of character that you and I knew very well because we were teenagers around this time.
50:21 Scaachi Koul? Mm-hmm.
50:21 Sarah Hagi? You know, this type of girl who's just saying something crazy and has a little dog and is wearing a little skirt. It's just like this caricature of a baddie at the time. And I love that she was actually not really that good at it.
50:36 Scaachi Koul? Yeah. I mean, the thing is that she barely did the heiress part. Like, she was doing the scam part so much that how could she even have the time to do the fun part? Like, she had enough money to just be an heiress. 50 grand really meant something in 2006 in Beverly Hills. You could do something with that.
50:53 Sarah Hagi? And it was also an easier time to become this type of proto-influencer.
50:58 Scaachi Koul? Yeah.
50:59 Sarah Hagi? She obviously had some connections, but it's a little weird to me that... Even she didn't really have like a gaggle of women outside of Miley to parade around and have them do her bidding. Like you saying wannabe bling ring makes total sense.
51:14 Scaachi Koul? Yeah.
51:14 Sarah Hagi? Because it's like even those girls were able to really do it properly, like create the false image.
51:20 Scaachi Koul? At least they were having fun. I feel like the issue with Lisette is she didn't party enough. She was only bitchy and capitalistic, but she forgot to like go to the club.
51:30 Sarah Hagi? Yeah. And you know, I also think she was trying too hard to be a gangster. She was trying to be this like girly Tony Montana. She just couldn't really pull it off, which is the funniest part to me.
51:43 Scaachi Koul? You know, Sarah, I think this scam has really encouraged me to think big in terms of crime. Think bigger.
51:50 Sarah Hagi? I think often about how I would be if I was in one of these scams or like what kind of, how I'd be reacting, how scared I'd be. And the thing is like, if you're brave enough and crazy enough to smuggle drugs on a private jet at the same place 10 times a year or whatever, like have an imagination is all I'm saying.
52:11 Scaachi Koul? Yeah. You know what? A plus for attitude, B minus for execution. Did you learn anything?
52:17 Sarah Hagi? I absolutely learned nothing, actually.
52:19 Scaachi Koul? Okay, that's what I like to hear.
52:27 Scaachi Koul? Follow Scamfluencers on the Audible app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to all episodes of Scamfluencers ad-free by joining Audible.
52:36 Scaachi Koul? This is Lisette Lee, The Simple Life of Crime. I'm Sachi Cole.
52:40 Sarah Hagi? And I'm Sarah Haggy. If you have a tip for us on a story that you think we should cover, please email us at [email protected] . We use many sources in our research. A few that were particularly helpful were Smoke: How a Small Town Girl Accidentally Wound Up Smuggling 7,000 Pounds of Marijuana with the Pop Princess of Beverly Hills by Miley Katie, The Gangster Princess of Beverly Hills by Sabrina Rubin-Erdle for Rolling Stone, and The Pop Princess of Beverly Hills: Lisette Lee, produced by Stephen Michaels, Jonathan Koch, Mark Monroe, and Alex Piper for Gangsters: America's Most Evil.
53:17 Scaachi Koul? Merrick Kay wrote this episode. Additional writing by us, Sachi Cole and Sarah Haggy. Eric Thurm is our story editor. Fact checking by Kalina Newman. Sound design by James Morgan. Additional audio assistance provided by Augustine Lim. Our music supervisor is Scoff Velazquez for Freeze on Sync. Our managing producer is Desi Blaylock. Our senior managing producer is Callum Pluse. Janine Cornolo and Stephanie Jens are development producers. Our associate producer is Charlotte Miller. Our producer is Julie McGruder. Our senior producers are Sarah Enni and Ginny Bloom. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer Beckman, Marsha Louis and Erin O'Flaherty. For Wondery.
54:01 Speaker 08 Journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia spent her life exposing powerful people. Then, in 2017, she was killed in a car bombing. I'm Stephen Gray, and for the past nine years, I've been trying to find out who wanted her dead. That search took me to Malta through secret companies, organized crime, and eventually to one of the island's richest and most powerful men. Now, after years of waiting, his trial has finally happened. But when the verdict came in, the case took a turn that almost no one had expected. In a brand new update to the multi-award winning podcast, Who Killed Daphne? I'm returning to Malta to find out how we got there and where the search for the truth goes next.
54:43 Speaker 08 Listen to the new episode of Who Killed Daphne wherever you get your podcasts, and you can hear the full six-part investigation from the beginning, ad-free with Audible. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app and by subscribing on Apple Podcasts.
Previous Phil Kitzer and the G Men | 166 Next Pras Michel: The Fugee Felon | 168 Page updated November 1, 2026 · transcript and summary are machine-generated