#312 - CIA 'GRIM REAPER' Mercenary Hunting Terror Sleeper Cells in America | Dale Comstock

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dale Comstock is a Special Forces Operator, CIA paramilitary commando, Black Ops Expert, and Mercenary. He has served in Delta Force, the Green Berets & CIA Ground Branch Unit. Currently he is a mercenary-for-hire around the world. SPONSORS https://hellotushy.com/danny - Use code DANNY for 10% off TUSHY. https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/zralgyl0 - Download Cash App today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://www.instagram.com/officialamericanbadass https://www.dalecomstock.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Why Dale joined the military 06:19 - Applying for Delta Force 18:03 - Inside the mind of a delta operator 22:55 - Securing America's nuclear reactors 37:30 - Ambushed by the taliban 48:39 - Working security at oil rigs 52:19 - Homemade weapons that terrorists use 57:42 - DEI in the war in Afghanistan 01:01:16 - New interrogation rules 01:09:34 - Surgical military ops vs. all-out war 01:12:01 - Letting enemy soldiers live 01:14:12 - Raid on Carcel Modelo prison 01:29:07 - 1 combat principle that will save your life 01:43:35 - Training security dogs 01:47:55 - Surprise, kill, vanish operations 01:56:44 - Who's behind human trafficking in America 02:02:00 - Comstock is Al-Qaeda's most-wanted enemy 02:08:33 - Fighting the Muslim brotherhood in Yemen 02:18:52 - Eliminating 42 targets in 3 different countries 02:33:58 - Why men fight wars 02:42:18 - Exposing BBC's "American Mercenaries" documentary 02:51:29 - What REALLY causes PTSD 03:04:53 - Dale's belief in God 03:11:12 - Training dogs to smell explosives 03:18:00 - Why hobby drones will become illegal 03:23:26 - What happens when we die 03:37:26 - Should humans live forever? 03:48:11 - Alternative & complimentary medicine 03:58:19 - Diets of top performing soldiers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:51Danny Jones?

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• 0:57Danny Jones?

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• 1:05Speaker 05

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• 1:06Danny Jones?

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• 1:23Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:23Danny Jones?

  So for people that don't know who you are, can you basically just explain the synopsis of your story and how you got to where you are?

• 1:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:33Danny Jones?

  How did you get into this whole world of military special operations and combat?

• 1:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I grew up in military culture. My dad was in the Army. And so most of my childhood was spent in Germany during the 70s, you know, the Cold War with US Army. My mother's German, my family was there, so you know, that heart, I was a German growing up, but... And then eventually my dad moved to the United States and I retired in, actually retired out of Fort Huachuca, Arizona. From there, he moved to Fremont, California, or we moved to Fremont, California, the Bay Area of San Francisco. He got a job there. And that was a, for a young man like myself at the time, fifteen, sixteen years old, that was like a real culture shock, you know? Coming from the military culture, it's so different. At least growing up for me, it was, than it is in the civilian world. And so I had

• 2:22Speaker 05

  a little hard time adapting, you know? I hate to say it, but, you know, I don't know, maybe it's just something in my mind. But I didn't do well outside the military life, I guess. And then, so I couldn't wait to get back to it. So I actually joined the military. I enlisted when I was seventeen. And I didn't tell my dad about it. Of course, I broke his heart when he found out because he actually had plans for me to go to college. You know, nobody in my family on either side had ever been to college. And I was gonna be the first one. So my dad, my father thought so. And so I enlisted for the military, then I told him, I realized, oh, I screwed up, right? So I said, Dad, don't worry, I'm gonna get my college degree and I want to be like you, so to speak. So I ended up joining the military

• 3:06Speaker 05

  in nineteen eighty-one. Ended up in eighty-second Airborne Division Infantry Company. And then ultimately to a long-range reconnaissance platoon for my first four years in eighty-second. And then I came to this crossroad, I'm like, man, do I want to stay and I want to get out. So I was married, young wife, you know, young daughter, she's still six months old. And I wasn't feeling challenged, you know? How old were you? At the time, on my, at the end of my first enlistment, I was twenty-two. Wow. So I went at eighteen, so I got in right at eighteen, twenty-two. Yeah, it started early. But I was at this point, I wanted to get out, you know? Just wasn't feeling challenged, you know? As an infantry guy digging foxholes and filling them back up

• 3:49Speaker 05

  and sitting under a tree for a couple of days cleaning my M16, just wasn't very challenging, right? And so I said, okay, you know what, I think I'm gonna get out. So I had to call my mom and I said, hey, mommy, I'm thinking about getting out of the army. Can I come home with my wife and daughter and kind of live with you for three months till I get on my feet? Yeah. You would think mom would say, of course, son. My mom was in her stark German harsh accent. It was like, no, not no, but hell no. And I'm like, damn, mom, okay, thanks. My mom was very, um... Very, um, she's got OCD, man. She just, you know, her, her nest is her nest, you know?

• 4:23Danny Jones?

  What was your, at that age, when you, uh, decided to go against your dad's wishes and join the military, what was your view of, well, two questions. Number one, what was your view of like military and war? And like, two, what was going on around the world at that point? Were you paying attention to it?

• 4:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. Good, good question. Um, so what happened was, um, we were just coming out of the Cold War, if you want to call it war, but, um, and I remember circa nineteen, let me get sure to get this right, nineteen eighty, I believe. Also, the Achilles Laurel incident happened where they, it was a terrorist took over the ship, the Achilles Laurel ship, and they actually threw, I believe it was an American in a wheelchair, threw him overboard and killed him. Um, and they're too close. And, um,

• 5:09Danny Jones?

  No, it's good. I just want to put it down a little bit.

• 5:10Speaker 05

  And, um, so, you know, I saw that and, you know, the world was in shock, you know, how dare they do that, you know? And that actually angered me as a young man, you know?

• 5:19Danny Jones?

  Wait, what was that again?

• 5:20Speaker 05

  The, the, the incident was, the ship was called Achilles Laurel, right? I think it was a, uh, just a cruise liner, right? And, uh, it was hijacked by terrorists.

• 5:29Danny Jones?

  Where?

• 5:30Speaker 05

  Uh, somewhere in the Middle East.

• 5:31Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  Okay. I can't remember exactly where, but the Mediterranean. Um, but I do remember Achilles Laurel, I do remember they threw an American in a wheelchair overboard, right? Killed him, right? Um, he was at least one of many casualties, I believe. So that kind of angered me as a young man, you know? And, um, cause growing up in the military, you know, as an American, you know, we're very patriotic. And to me, that was like, that's BS, right? How dare they do that to an American, right? And so that really got me motivated to join the military. That was like, you know, that was like the, a line they crossed. You have no idea what they started, you know? So, um, so that's what got me motivated to, to go in the military. And then, um, I remember I was going through TV guide one day.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  And you know, in the middle, they always have these like two-page spreads advertisements, right? And there was an advertisement in this particular one for the army. It says, be all that you can be. That was a slogan at the time, which is still my slogan, believe it or not. And there was a picture of a ranger coming out of the jungle, camouflage patrol cap, rappel rope, car 15. He's sneaking out of the jungle. And I saw that. I go, that's it. I'm joining the military. That's it right there. So that's what prompted me to go down and we get recruited. So I ended up in the 82nd for a minute. And then, you know, I was on the cusp of getting out. My mom said, no, I really didn't have any options. You

• 6:55Speaker 05

  know, like, what am I gonna do? I'm 22, no college education yet, got a wife and a kid. And so fortunately for me, I got a letter at the same time from the unit, Delta. And it said, you're eligible to apply to try out for Delta Force. I have to clarify that because guys will go, oh, yeah, Delta Force wanted me. They sent me a letter, but I found a better job, you know, whatever, clean as shit or somewhere, whatever, right? So, you know, I hear it all the time. It cracks me up. It's like, no, just because you got the letter doesn't mean they wanted you. The letter means you're eligible to apply to go through the application process to see if you qualify to try out, right? And so

• 7:36Danny Jones?

  What do you think you'd be eligible?

• 7:37Speaker 05

  So the criteria at that time is probably still the same, very close, was you had to be a minimum of 22, you had to be at least a buck starting at E5, you had to have a GT score of a minimum 110, which is like an army IQ test. If you're 110 or above, you can do anything in the military. No judicial action against you or anything, no punishment in the past, no UCMJ stuff. So you've never been in trouble. What else was there? A couple other requirements. But so if you met all the basics, then what would have happened if they said, okay, we're going to give you a chance. Then you come to another formal application process where you do a physical fitness test, you actually get a medical examination, pretty thorough one. They do a background check on you. It's quite a bit

• 8:22Speaker 05

  you do, psychological evaluations. And then once you complete all that, they take your packet, and then they say, good luck. We'll let you know 30 days if you make it or not, right? If you get selected. So 30 days later, I got the letter. And I said, congratulations, you passed the application and now you're going to attend the formal, formal assessment selection course, right? It's a big deal. To kind of give you perspective on why it's a big deal is they only run two selection courses a year. So twice a year, at that time, they panned all the records of the US Army. Now they pan the records of all the military, everybody in the military, right? Because, believe it or not, the Army pool was too small to draw eligible candidates from, right?

• 9:07Speaker 05

  And actually, the military pool is still too small, okay? This is how, this is how hard it is to get in this program. So, so in my class, the class I went through in October, there was a hundred, there's normally a hundred guys, a hundred candidates, right? They'll max out a hundred guys. I had a hundred and ten in there, I don't know why, maybe I was mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I counted a hundred and ten heads in there, right? So we had ten, ten extra. Of the hundred and ten that started the program, at the end, six of us completed it. We're the only one standing. Of the six of us that completed it, three of us actually got selected after we went from the commander's board in psychological evaluation again. So three out of a hundred and ten of us got picked up. That happens twice a year. So that, we had one class where one guy made it.

• 9:52Speaker 05

  Think about that for a minute. Think about that. That's how tough it is, right? The selection, the formal assessment selection course, it's not like, you know, and people get mad when I say this stuff, especially the SEAL fans. Listen, I don't have a problem with SEALs, a lot of them are friends, you know, I've trained and worked with them a lot downrange. I'm just stating facts. The fact is, Delta Force selection is very unique in that you don't go through as a group, you go through as an individual. It's an individual effort, right? So, you know, you go, you see buds in Ranger School and all these other ones, they're all running together and suffering together and screaming and crying together. Delta Force, you go through by yourself, literally. The only time you see anybody else is in the morning or in the evening, right?

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Outside of that, you know, in fact, in fact, they don't even call you by your name, they just assign you a color and number, right? So every day you're a different color and number. How do you know your color and number? Because you have to go to a whiteboard and it's got all the information on there every day, right? Tells you where to be, when to be there, don't be late, light or out of uniform, and there's your name and your color and number for the day. And that's what you'll be addressed at. So they do that for a reason. They don't, um, they don't socialize with you. I say they, the cadre. They don't socialize with you. So they're always stone-faced, no bullshitting, you know, shucking and jiving. In the back, we can see them. They're very professional. They're like, almost like robots. Um, but it's part of the script.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  It has to be that way. What they're trying to do is make every, they're putting pressure, they're making you put pressure on yourself. Right? Because there are some guys out there that, you know, they get a little nervous or uncomfortable and they look at somebody else to see how they're acting. Oh, they're kind of, they're looking kind of happy and giddy and smiling. Must be okay, right? So especially from the instructors.

• 11:38Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 11:39Speaker 05

  So the idea is you're basically isolated in this course with other people, but nobody's addressing you by your name. There's no personal interaction. Um, you're told what to do, uh, very limited. It's very limited information. You're given a task. And then you're not told what the standard is. And we have, so well, how much time do I have? Do the best you can. Do the best you can, but have a good one, but do the best you can. That's all you will get out of them. That's all you'll get out of them. It's like, hello, is there anybody in there? It's funny, right? But it's designed that way because, so what does do the best you can mean? It means do the best you can. So if you really want to be there, you're going to do the best you can, right?

• 12:21Speaker 05

  So you push yourself every day, like literally every day you push yourself to the extreme. And eventually, guess what's going to happen? Your body's going to break down. And there's nothing worse than being alone in the woods or in a farm field and your body's broken down. And you're standing there, demoralized, you can't push yourself nothing anymore. And you're like, what am I doing here? Why am I putting myself through this? You start questioning yourself and that's the whole point, right?

• 12:46Danny Jones?

  Solitude.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Yeah. And so what they're looking for is they have a saying, there's a lot of guys that will, you know, just, they're just throwing a task. So that's it for me, right? So they call it Victor Whiskey or voluntary withdrawal, VW, right? And a candidate will go, Sergeant, I'd like to have Victor Whiskey. And they'll go, okay, put your clothes, your coat on, jacket, dry, get in the truck. We'll take you back. They take you to the rear, put you in the shower, feed you. You're nice and warm and comfortable. Then they give you an out briefing with the commander. And what ends up usually happening is the commander goes, hey, man, thanks for coming out, you know, thanks for trying, you know, at least you got the guts to try, blah, blah, blah. And usually the candidate are feeling pretty good, his stomach's full, he goes, hey, sir, you mind if I try again? Can I come back? And the answer every time, without exception, is no.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  It's you cannot, you can have a change of mind, but you cannot have a change of heart. You will never get to come to this program again because you don't have the heart. You changed your mind, but you didn't have the heart. And that's what they're doing. They're looking for your mind just to shit the bed out there and your heart to shit the bed. And they want to see which one's going to take, keep you going, right? So a lot of people mentally start having these issues, you know, and they want to quit, they, you know, it becomes very emotional, you know, nobody's talking to me, nobody's calling me by my name, and it sucks, it's cold, it's wet, you know, and I'm tired and everything hurts. What they're looking for is the guy that's going, you know what, my body's broken, but I'm gonna push it anyways. I'm gonna make it no matter what. And that's what they're looking for.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  And there's guys that have gone through that program that, look, I've heard some guys out there on the podcast, some very famous guys, you know, I'm not gonna mention their names, that went through Delta Force, you know, actually one of them kind of lied, but that's neither here nor there right now. And he didn't make it. And he said he didn't make it because he hurt his ankle, he had an owie, and so they medically withdrew him, and they said, hey, you did a good job, you know, you can come back. That's what they tell everybody, right? They medically withdraw you. So he felt good about it. Hey, see, they wanted me back. No, there's, everybody gets to come back if they're medically withdrawn. But he used that as, you know, and so he played that up. And I know a lot of guys that play that kind of stuff up. But here's the thing, here's the guys that make it.

• 14:53Speaker 05

  One of my teammates, when he went through, he broke both tibias and didn't tell anybody.

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• 16:39Speaker 05

  He duct tapes himself together, right? He splits himself, duct tapes himself together and makes it through the course of two broken legs. Didn't tell anybody about it because he wanted to get medically withdrawn, right?

• 16:49Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  He makes it through the course and at the end, you know, when he's in the rear, you know, um, you know, he has to go, we all have to do our medical evaluations, you know, make sure we're okay now. And he's like, uh, hey, can you check the wheels? Think I got a couple of flat tires, right? And like, geez, you broke both legs, right? So that was, it was incredulous. And, um, so they, they splinted him up, cast him up. And then he still sat in front of the commander's board. And they're like, that's the kind of guy we want right there. Guy's got two broken legs and still made it through the course, you know? It meant he had to walk on his hands, he made it. So they actually sent him to, I think, San Antonio, Texas, to a veterinarian. And they-

• 17:30Danny Jones?

  A veterinarian?

• 17:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, because this guy was like an expert at inserting, I guess, steel rods into like a horse's leg, you know? And, uh, and so they took him, they sent him there, right? He's the expert. So they actually put rods in this guy's legs. He came back a year later and one of the best operators we had. No doubt about it.

• 17:47Danny Jones?

  Christ.

• 17:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 05

  But a very interesting, you know, program. Like I said, it's very difficult. You know, the, the, the chance, honestly, I should have never made it. Statistically, I had no chance. You know, I was actually surprised I got selected to even come to, to try out. But when I looked at the guys that do make it, you know, they were Green Berets, they were Rangers, they were older, the average age was like 33 years old.

• 18:16Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 18:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, the average age is 33. So guys with experience, right? Because

• 18:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Speaker 05

  A job like that takes experience. I'm just, I'm still wet behind the ears, you know, and I don't know jack other than how to fill a foxhole.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  And so I, I really, I didn't have the military experience. I didn't have what it took. I felt, thought to make it, but that's not what they're looking for. Anybody can come through the program. They don't care what your MOS is. You could, you could be a fry cook. You know, and you can be a badass fry cook. So MOS immaterial, what they're looking at is the man. They're looking at, and really more importantly, what they're looking at is not, and I'll use, I'm gonna quote a guy named Pat Savage. He was one of the operators on golf team. He said, they're not, we're not looking for the best man, we're looking for the right man. And I was like, man, that's, that's absolutely right because there's some studs that can, they can muscle through that selection course.

• 19:12Speaker 05

  But ain't got it up here, right? So a lot of guys just, you know, they don't make it. It's because it's more than just physical. It's also mental. And why is it that way? Because when you're a Delta operator, you're expected to go out and operate unilaterally by yourself. For example, I might be tasked to go brief the President of the United States or some Admiral on an aircraft carrier, right? And as an E5 or E6 at 22, 23 years old, that's what I might be required to do. And so they need to know that if they sent me, I'm not gonna fall on my face and embarrass you, the Army, you know, and the, the unit. We did a lot of singleton operations. So what people, when we use the word operator, so I'm gonna clarify this. This is gonna piss people off again too, right? So. Um, you know, you have CIA operatives.

• 19:55Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  Now, why are Delta Force operators called operators, right? Because operators are selected from all MOSs in the military. So they show up. And so, for example, when I showed up, I was what's called eleven Bravo infantry guy, right? E eleven B was my MOS designator.

• 20:12Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 20:12Speaker 05

  All right, so when it comes time for my promotion, guess what? Dale's got to compete against the other eleven Bravos in the military. Right, but I'm not doing the same job as them. They're definitely not doing my job, right? So how do I get graded fairly is the issue, right? And so what they realized was, you know, I'm no longer an infantry guy. I'm an operator. Why am I an operator? Because I'm actually going to be doing three different types of jobs. One, I have to be able to, one, operate as a soldier. Two, operate as a government agent. And three, operate as a civilian. So I can actually wear different guises and carry different credentials, depending on what the job is, right? So if you're going to rate me, how do you rate me as a civilian, as a government, you know, agent, whatever? Or as a soldier, right?

• 20:57Speaker 05

  So that's why we use the word operator, because you kind of span different areas. And so the hilarious part is somehow everybody decided that that was such a cool name that everybody in the military calls himself an operator. I've even heard cops call themselves operators now. It's like, what? Yeah, everybody wants to be an operator, but, uh, you know, they don't want to do the long walk is what we call it. What's the long walk is the end of the selection course. It's a very long, it's a forty mile, forty mile walk is what it is.

• 21:25Danny Jones?

  Another thing I wanted to ask you is, uh, can you give me like the, the fifth grade version of what the difference is between Delta Force and ground branch?

• 21:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, big difference. Um, so Delta Force is a counter terrorist unit, right?

• 21:41Danny Jones?

  Counter terrorist unit.

• 21:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, however, you know, they've, they're specialized in many areas.

• 21:45Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 21:46Speaker 05

  Scuba operations, water operations, mountain operations, mobility operations, airborne operations, the gamut, right? You gotta be good at all those things. CIA ground branch is a CIA capability and what, I mean, they can do lots of things, but normally don't form up in a team. They don't do counterterrorism. They're not gonna do mountaineering operations.

• 22:09Danny Jones?

  So it's CIA paramilitary?

• 22:10Speaker 05

  Exactly, right? So they're gonna go out and do, they're gonna do whatever it takes to support the intelligence collection effort.

• 22:16Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  Right? And so that's why a lot of times, ground branch guys or paramilitary guys, they're shooters, because when you go out to collect intelligence from somebody, there's usually gonna be a gunfight, right?

• 22:27Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  But, yeah, so, you know, picking up where I left off, you know, I tried out for the unit, I made it, obviously. Then while I was in the unit, I went to the special forces qualification course, became a Green Beret. Why? So now I'm competing at another level for promotions and things like that, plus added skill sets, you know? It was all beneficial. So I got to go there, came back, and then ultimately I ended up going to special forces, in the third special forces group. I was an A-team sergeant there for a while, and then I retired out of the third group. And then, I retired actually before 9/11. And then I get, you know, 9/11 happens, and then next thing you know, I get recruited by the government, OGA, to come in and continue doing what I did in the military,

• 23:12Speaker 05

  but with one or two other guys, and that intelligence capability, so to speak. So, I did come back, and I spent almost 10 years doing that job. And concurrently, I was running several companies. So I built a couple of companies, actually one before 9/11, and then a couple after 9/11. And so I was in parallel running companies.

• 23:32Danny Jones?

  What kind of company? What do you mean, companies? You're an entrepreneur.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:36Danny Jones?

  What made you wanna start a company? What kind of companies are we talking about?

• 23:39Speaker 05

  Well, the first one I started was a company called Global Security Consultants. And what we did was... We actually got into, I say we, I had a business partner. We actually got into the nuclear energy sector, right? And we started securing all the nuclear power plants in the United States.

• 23:55Danny Jones?

  What?

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. In fact, at the time, when nine eleven happened, you could just walk into any nuclear power plant and just, it would have been disastrous. There was no security, right? So now, you know, they're jumping through their ass going, we need to do something, right? The NRC's telling them, you better plus it up, right? And so, we had one competitor.

• 24:13Danny Jones?

  How did you, so first of all, how did you come up with the idea to do that?

• 24:17Speaker 05

  Well, so, so what happened, I know I wanted to start a security company, right?

• 24:21Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:21Speaker 05

  Before nine eleven.

• 24:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  Right? And the reason why is because I was thinking about, okay, when I get out, what am I gonna do? You know, who needs, who needs the skills of a Green Beret or Delta guy, you know, shooting people? And I'm trying to figure out, what can I do to? And I want to be, I wanted to be my own entrepreneur, my own boss, right? I didn't want to work for anybody. So I decided, you know, I'm gonna start a security company. And then I brought my business partner on board. He was actually one of my younger mentor students. And then, he's like, hey, man, my dad used to work in the nuclear sector, you know, maybe we can get in there. So we started digging into it and learning about it. And then we realized, man, we could, we could blow this up, man, easy. Not, not, not literally, but figuratively, right? So, so that's how we got into it. And then we find out there was only one competitor.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  One, it was actually, one dude, a civilian and a SEAL. And, so, they put, well, not the SEAL, but the other guy put his foot in his mouth. Because when nine eleven happened, CNN interviewed him the next day. And he got on CNN and said, ah, you know, all the security at nuclear power plants, you know, their grandmothers and schoolteachers and used car salesmen carrying guns. Oh, my God, that was the wrong thing to say, man. He, he became P and G after that. And so I got a call from Exelon Nuclear Energy up in Chicago. And they're like, hey, can you and your partner come up here, right? And the reason they knew of us, because we had gone to an NRC conference as vendors for the first time, right?

• 25:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  And nobody wanted to talk to us. They were scared, these two big dudes with suits on, right? And we're trying to attract them to the table and they wouldn't come over. They're all, you know, we little, lay little shiny things out and they'd come over and then we'd catch them, like, you know? So, you know, we warmed up to them eventually. And that's how they remembered us, but. So he calls us in Chicago and they told us what happened. We knew about nine eleven. They go, you guys want his contract? I was like, uh, yeah, right. So yeah, they had eleven nuclear power plants and seventeen reactors.

• 26:13Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 26:13Speaker 05

  And just like that, we, we got them, right? We came their primary consultant, include Three Mile Island. That was actually my first job, Three Mile Island.

• 26:20Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 26:20Speaker 05

  And, uh, so we ended up, um, we probably serviced about forty-two of the nuclear power plants. Um, the other guy went out of business. Uh, we just outperformed and he just, they just, so I had no competitors.

• 26:33Danny Jones?

  So what do you do to secure a nuclear power plant?

• 26:36Speaker 05

  Uh, there's a lot. So, so for example, the NRC, um, they dictate what a nuclear energy's, uh, power plant has to, uh, protect itself from, right? So the NRC, with the military, the army particularly, um, some of one of the special forces team, they decide what is what they call a designed basis threat, right? So they have to look at a nuclear power plant and go, okay, um, what should a nuclear power plant be prepared to? Most extreme scenario, that's real, that's reasonable, right? So, look, if I brought in a hundred Al Qaeda guys, you're done, right? That's not reasonable. But if I brought in very small ground dudes, right? Very specialized, I had an insider, for example, guy working inside the plant, which by the way has happened with Al Qaeda.

• 27:21Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 27:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, and so I've got an insider, I've got a small team on the outside, and then they, they dictate what kind of weapons they can have and capabilities, including explosives, how much? There's a limit to everything, right? That's why they call it designed basis threat. So it's classified. I mean, I know what it is. It may have changed since then, but I knew what it was. Um, and so then what happens is a nuclear power plant has to be able to defend itself from that type of enemy capability, right? And so, and there's nothing off the table, like for example, an insider. You might have an insider that at eight hour goes up and shoots two security guards in the back of the head. You got a problem because why? If you think about it, nuclear power plants, for example, they might have, I don't know,

• 28:05Speaker 05

  just say 20 or 30 security guards working at one time, right? That's one shift. Usually they have four shifts, okay, rotating shifts. So you got 30 dudes on shift, and really, that's the bare minimum. And so what happens is, every guy's got a sector of responsibility and different elevations in the facility, right? And if there's a threat, for example, let's just say there's a two-pronged attack with an insider, right? Now we're getting hit by three sides, literally. And if I lose one security guard, we can still compensate, right? We can kind of cover that dead space. But we start losing two or three, that's a problem because you can't cover that safe. And why do they use the bare numbers?

• 28:46Speaker 05

  Money, right? It costs money to hire these guys, pay their salaries, everything that goes along with it, right? So it always comes down to budget. And so, otherwise, if there was an unlimited budget, you know, nuclear power plants could harden themselves to the point where nobody could get into it. But they can't, it's a business. In fact, when I, the first time I did a consulting job was Three Mile Island. And I spent 10 days there with my partner. And we did the whole walk down, we did everything, right? And then we did the analysis, and then we wrote an after-action report. And then we finally went in to render the report on the last day to the security manager and relevant staff that, you know, were privy to hear this. And I remember, I got a little cocky, you know? And it was my first, it was our first job, right?

• 29:31Speaker 05

  We thought we knew what we were doing with the experts here.

• 29:33Danny Jones?

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• 29:39Speaker 05

  And we're sitting across the table and the security manager, his name was Mike, he's a very good friend of mine today. He's like, all right, well, fellas, let me have it. What do we got here? And I was like, so I was like, well, Mike, you know, I don't know what you're thinking, but you know, where's your machine guns over here? Where's your mortar tubes over here?

• 29:55Speaker 05

  And I'm just dressing him down, right? And he's like, looking at me, right? I'm kind of exaggerating a little bit, but. Finally, he stops, he goes, "Listen, guys," he goes, "I know you're new to this business." He goes, "If you want to stay in the business, remember this." He goes, "We're in the business of making energy, not security." He goes, "Security is an overhead." He goes, "We want the mostest for the leastest," right? And I'm like, "God, I must have missed that in my master's degree." That part was super essential, right? And he straightened us out, and I realized that's a good lesson to learn. And so, always, anytime I go into kind of a security consulting job, I always remember their bottom line, right? And I try to give them the mostest for the leastest. So, we got all that sorted out. We did all the security at Three Mile Island.

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Man, that was just a self-licking ice cream for a long time. And then, we went to all the other nuclear power plants and did the same thing. And we did all kinds of stuff. I mean, we looked at physical security. We looked at, you know, here's another thing about nuclear power plants. So, everything's a function of time, right? There are timelines. For example, remember I mentioned, you lose a security guard, right? Somebody's got to cover his space. So, how long does it take for the security guard from over here to run over here and cover this guy's space, right? It might take 10 seconds, right? And we do all, we run this stuff with equipment on. And we map it out on all kinds of, you know, 3D drawings and renderings and things like that. And then, we go, "Well, you know, maybe we've got a guy over here just down.

• 31:21Speaker 05

  He's 40 seconds away, and he's the first guy taken out, maybe by a confederate." And so, I got to get a guy over here to over here. It's going to take him 40 seconds to spin up and move over here. Well, guess what? It might take the bad guys 30 seconds to get in from the outside, right? Right. So, who's winning? They're winning, right? Because once they get through the doors, we've got another problem. Now, they're inside the wire, so to speak. So, what I started doing was selling nuclear power plants' time. I'd say, "Listen, you want to delay the guys on the perimeter? You want to slow them down coming in?" I said, "I can do that." "How?" "I'll build, I'll actually, I actually built and designed various types of barriers and fences

• 32:02Speaker 05

  that it would take the bad guys a long time to get through with explosives, mechanical breaching, manual breaching, ballistic breaching, all the different types of explosives, car bombs, VIBIDs." As long as it's inside the DBT design basis threat, I would use that. And then, what I would do is I'd go build a mock-up of it, right, out in Mammoth Lakes, California. And I would actually test my, test my theory, right? And, uh, and I knew it would work. And what I would throw at these fences and these barriers was every possible explosive or configuration of explosives I thought the bad guys could come up with, right? And, uh, and I tried everything, right?

• 32:42Danny Jones?

  This was before recreational drones?

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, much, yeah, a lot longer than that, right? Uh, and so what we started doing then was we recorded, we, we collect the data and then we provide an AAR to the client and go, look, we, we can guarantee at least this many seconds. That's above and above, way above what you have now, right? And so I'm buying you time. Gives you, so now you can not sweat your security response time so much because you've got a little bit of breathing room, right? And so that helps them ultimately with their budget because you don't have to hire more guys, right? So they laid out some money for my testing. Oh yeah, and then, then the installation, right? So then they go out and they hire a, um, you know, some type of a metal fencing company, whatever, right? And they always do the lowest bidder, right? They have to do all, oh, it's gotta be a union, right? All that crap.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  And then, then they show up and then I gotta show up and I gotta make sure they build it to my specifications. So I gotta provide oversight. Um, they gotta do all kinds of trainings, put PPE on because we use razor tape and stuff like that. So, um, it's, yeah, you get pretty cut up pretty good. So, you know, I get paid again, you know, one for being there and two, I get paid on the whole project and, you know, of course the testing. So we started doing a lot of that as well. Um, it was a very interesting job. It was very good. We, we, we, we did really well, so much so that G4S Whackin' Hut actually bought my company three years later.

• 34:01Danny Jones?

  Whackin' Hut?

• 34:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:03Danny Jones?

  No shit.

• 34:04Speaker 05

  And I'll tell you why they bought us. Because we're kicking their ass, right? They needed to get rid of the competition. Uh, and so, and actually when, when we went into the business, we went in with that in mind. It's like, you know, let's build it, make it really sexy and then sell it because we thought, yeah, this, this nine 11 thing ain't gonna last forever. Eventually everybody's gonna go back to the old days, get laxadaisical again. Well, unfortunately that didn't happen. Well, fortunately it did happen, but, um...

• 34:29Danny Jones?

  Well, that's a scary thing. Nuclear, nuclear power plants, uh, are one of the most vulnerable... In pieces of infrastructure in the US like if there wasn't if there was a thermonuclear war that happened where we exchanged intercontinental ballistic missiles. The number one target of the foreign country attacking us would be our number one would be our ICBM silos. And number two would be our nuclear power plants because if they can hit a nuclear power plant with a nuke, you're it's like quadruple the damage that it would be with just a regular nuke.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 35:04Danny Jones?

  So like you have to worry about that. And then you have to worry about in today's day and age, these drones like drone like just the other day, we heard about this crazy drone swarm in Russia, right? That took out one of their nuclear planes or something like that.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:17Danny Jones?

  So like, I can't imagine the level of security you would have to have nowadays for a nuclear power plant. And also, if I owned a nuclear power plant, I would probably try to be getting some money from the government to secure it because because it's it's if you want to protect America, you got to protect the nuclear power plants.

• 35:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. At the time, they didn't subsidize. I don't know about today.

• 35:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  But NRC did provide the government oversight on what to do. I came as a consultant, represented the nuclear power plants and they brought in some special forces teams.

• 35:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  Actually try to penetrate.

• 35:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  Which is a lot of fun because I knew the guys were going to try to penetrate. Right? So, you know, we made it reasonable. It was a really good. It was a good job. Learned a lot, made a lot of money. Did something worthwhile for America. And now I would say today is very hard to get into. You're going to have a hard time reaching a nuclear power plant. It's just not going to happen. You could fly an airplane to it. It's not going to happen. Nothing's going to happen.

• 36:08Danny Jones?

  If you fly an airplane into it, nothing will happen?

• 36:10Speaker 05

  No. They're they're built to withstand, I think, at least a 737.

• 36:15Danny Jones?

  What?

• 36:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, coming at full speed. Now, those the cooling towers you see, you can take those down. Nothing's going to happen. That's just a cooling tower. But what you want to protect is the the building with the reactors in it, right? So the power block is what we call it. It's a big building. It's got turbines in it, generators, you got the nuclear reactors in it. But even those are pretty heavy duty, man. I don't think you're going to hit a power plant, a nuclear power plant and melt it down with an airplane. It's going to have to be something more. Probably something like an insider pushing buttons and pulling levers and stuff, you know, and shooting people from the inside. It's gonna take something more like that. But even that, there's actually backups to it. So, you know, you have a, you have your main

• 36:59Speaker 05

  control room and then you, you always have a secondary control, control room somewhere else, right? So if one gets taken, you can got another one to run to. Now, both of them get taken, now you got drama, right? So, um, but it's a lot of fun and I did well in that business. I turned around, started another company called, um, so Risk Control Institute, but what happened was they didn't make me sign a non-compete, right? There's a, there's another aspect to the story, but, so I just turned around, reincorporated, built another company doing the same thing called Risk Control Institute, right? And so, so, you know, they really didn't get rid of me. Um, and then I turned around, sold that company to another company called Intrepid in 2011. And, um, concurrently, I was working

• 37:41Speaker 05

  for the, the alphabet company and that's, I was up to 10 years at this point and I've spent a lot of time downrange.

• 37:48Danny Jones?

  You're talking about CIA?

• 37:50Speaker 05

  I said OGA.

• 37:51Danny Jones?

  OGA, okay.

• 37:53Speaker 05

  I didn't say it, you said it.

• 37:57Danny Jones?

  That's right, that's right. OGA, ladies and gentlemen, not CIA.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  So anyways, um, but yeah, so I got to a point, you know, I was gone a lot, like a lot, like nine months out of the year for 10 years. Um, it's probably went divorced so many times, but, um, finally I just had enough. In fact, it was, uh, I made the, the decision one night. That's what I call my final ambush. Um, I got ambushed pretty bad one night and I thought, man, if I get out of this one, this is it. Because, you know, I'm, I was like getting 40, I was 47, 48 at the time, married, kids, and, uh,

• 38:32Danny Jones?

  You got ambushed by who? Where?

• 38:33Speaker 05

  Taliban. Yeah, Afghanistan.

• 38:36Danny Jones?

  Oh, shit.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've been ambushed a lot. But the final, this was,

• 38:39Danny Jones?

  This was the final ambush?

• 38:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, the reason this was the final for me was, you know, mostly, usually what happens is you drive along, you move along, you get ambushed, right? And then you get to fight back or you run away. And so in this scenario, we actually, we actually got boxed in. We were on a road that was along the very Uh, very deep and, uh, a very fast-moving river. And then on the other side was nothing but mountains. And then we had one road that paralleled the, uh, the river. Running south to north, north to south. And there was about a seven kilometer stretch the Taliban owned, right? And, I mean, they're, they were hitting like logistics trucks all the time. You know, there's bolt, uh, burned out hulks everywhere.

• 39:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  But anyways, we had to go through there and we had to do a link up with another one of our elements coming from south to north. Well, they were running late and we ended up stopping kind of at a halfway point. And we were literally sitting on the X for the Taliban. And they're, they're on the radios. We could hear them because we got our interpreters on the radios listening to them, to the chatter. And, uh, so they had set up two IEDs and two ambush sites on both ends of the convoy. We had 23 vehicles and, um, and it, it boxed us in. And so we could hear what they're, we could hear what they're strategizing. We could hear the commander talking to his guys what they're gonna do. Um, actually what they were gonna do is run between the vehicles.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  So we're in a crossfire and they already selected the vehicles they wanted to take because they wanted to grab all the guns off of it and stuff. So they're pretty good at that kind of stuff. And, uh, so we're stuck in this site. Uh, we had already, um, split an element off. About 10 vehicles had gone further south to, to meet this other element. On the way back, they got ambushed, um, took casualties and, uh, they made it back. We started doing our triage and, and, uh, giving, uh, medical aid and things like that. And then we realized, okay, we got a choice, guys. We either drive south or north, but either way we're going through ambush, right? So we're gonna be fighting out of this one. And, um, which is crazy, right? You know, you usually don't drive into an ambush deliberately to get out of it, right? But we had no choice at this point.

• 40:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  So we're like, all right, we're gonna turn the vehicles around, face them north. Um, we had basically 23 Toyota Hilux pickup trucks. Some of them were up armored, um, you know, but, um, most of them were thin-skinned. And we had, you know, each vehicle had about five dudes on it, guys on the back with heavy machine guns. Um, so 23 guys, I mean, 23 vehicles and we were spread out about 50 meters per vehicle. So we're, you know, we're doing a little over a kilometer, over a half a mile, uh, three quarters of a mile spread out. And, uh, the road. Was a really bad road. It was just bumpy, dirt road, rocks.

• 41:22Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  About max speed you could attain was about five miles an hour. It was just a really rough road, right? It's not like the highway. And so we get the vehicles turned around. We had already called for air support. Only thing we could get was one Apache H six. And he had already expended all his ordnance supporting the element that was in contact already downrange from us. And so they had, he called bingo, which means he's out of ammo, right? And had to go down further south, refuel, refit. And then we're waiting for him to come back and escort us going back north. And what we're gonna have him do is strafe the road in front of us.

• 41:56Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  Um, and just start clearing the sides of the road and then we're just gonna start beating feet up the road. And, uh, but what was funny was the Taliban commander was telling his guys to sit fast. He goes, and he knew what we're doing. He goes, they're waiting on the helicopter to come back.

• 42:11Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  They already knew all this stuff, right? And normally when they ambush you, it's a long distance ambush. They, you know, fifty, two hundred meters, two hundred fifty meters, three hundred meters from afar, usually plunging fire. In this case, they were right on top of us, like within fifty meters. And, uh, and that was their, their plan was as soon as a helicopter comes in, get right on the road because he's not gonna strafe the road with the vehicles there, right? So they'll negate his capability and then they're gonna jump between the vehicles and cause a crossfire.

• 42:39Danny Jones?

  Are we in like a, like a, a city area with a lot of buildings?

• 42:42Speaker 05

  No, no.

• 42:43Danny Jones?

  Or you're out in the middle of nowhere?

• 42:43Speaker 05

  Very middle of nowhere, on a very, yeah, way out in the middle.

• 42:46Danny Jones?

  Remote, okay.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, in the mountains of Afghanistan, Pakistan on the border there.

• 42:50Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 42:50Speaker 05

  Along a place that's called the Kunar River.

• 42:52Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  And pitch black. And, um, so, yeah, so we, we got it all figured out. Okay, guys, fifty meter spread. Um, once the H comes in, you know, we'll execute. And, uh, we had basically, we told everybody, I said, we, me and I had three other Americans with us. So it was four Americans and about, uh, I don't know, maybe a hundred Afghans and soldiers. And we said, listen, guys, every gun, I mean, every truck, run your guns. Shoot at everything and anything they could hide the Taliban behind it, right? And just don't shoot each other, right? So, so one by one, I remember I was vehicle number fifteen and I had all the-

• 43:30Danny Jones?

  Out of how many?

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Out of twenty, uh, twenty-three. And I had all the antennas because I had the command vehicle with the radios in it, right? And I said, which basically says, shoot here, right? Shoot here, command element. And so, uh, I'm sitting there and I'm watching through my night vision goggles. The H comes in, he can't do much and I kind of does a, uh, starts ordering a little bit.

• 43:53Danny Jones?

  Is it like a countdown before you have to like start going through the ambush? Was it like a-

• 43:57Speaker 05

  No, it was just, you know, we waited for when the bird came in bounds. Okay, you know, bird's ten seconds out, five seconds out, all right, execute, right? Soon as he comes in, you start running, uh, running guns. So, um, so the first vehicle takes off and, you know, I'm watching through my night vision goggles and you see freaking rounds and traces going all directions. Then the second vehicle, then the third vehicle. And you think about it, each one's fifty meters apart, right? It can do about five miles an hour. It's like the, like the march of the penguins, man. It's like one at a time, you know? You know, and I'm sitting there watching this show. And I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm sitting there thinking, Jesus Christ, this is the first time I've ever ru-, you know, drove deliberately. And we knew there was an IED waiting for us because there was a, um, an S-turn on the

• 44:42Speaker 05

  side of this, on this mountain. And that's where he laid all the IDs because he hit a lot of vehicles there. We knew they were there, we could hear them talking about it. I was like, ah shit, we're gonna get hit by an IED most likely. So I'm watching them go one by one by one. I had plenty of time to watch and think, you know, it was a good show. And then I remember thinking, man, what if I, you know, what if I don't make it this time?

• 45:00Danny Jones?

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• 46:30Speaker 05

  And I thought, you know what? I can't be distracted by what ifs. And so, um, I remember thinking about my wife, my kids. I saw each one, each one's face, one by one, you know, just flashing from my eyes for a minute. Thought about each one, go down the list, right? Really long list, no. Um, and so, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

• 46:47Danny Jones?

  All the ex-wives too?

• 46:48Speaker 05

  All the ex, no, no, no, yeah. Thought about how much money they're not gonna get.

• 46:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, a bunch of bandits, man, holy cow. Don't get me started on that conversation.

• 46:58Danny Jones?

  I will, I will.

• 46:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:59Danny Jones?

  Sorry, I killed the moment.

• 47:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, but no, um, so.

• 47:02Danny Jones?

  So you're like meditating on all of your kids?

• 47:04Speaker 05

  I just wanted to, what I want to do is just clear my mind. So that when I do this deliberate move, I'm not thinking about, I'm not distracted by anything other than business, what I gotta do, right? So that's what I did. So like, all right, get that out of your mind right now. Say goodbye in your mind, okay, it's over now. Focus on the task ahead, right? So boom, off I go. It's my turn and I got one Afghan with me in the, in the right side and one in the back, uh, backseat, my interpreters. And, um, I remember the road was so bumpy that I broke the front right strut on my vehicle. And the inside, the tire was rubbing on the inside of the fender, uh, wheel well.

• 47:38Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 47:39Speaker 05

  Long enough for it to catch on fire, right? And so the, I got a front right wheel that's on fire, it's burning. I'm freaking trying to push this thing down the road, you know, at five miles an hour. And shit, you know, we're shooting out the windows and cars and stuff like that, but, um. Finally, we make it out and um, you know, we get to the other side, we we stop, we regroup. We had, I think we lost, we didn't lose, but we had seven or nine vehicles get shot up pretty bad. We had several guys get shot in the body armor, get wounded, but nobody was K I eight on that one. Um, and we're like, wow.

• 48:08Danny Jones?

  Wow, that's incredible.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, we were lucky, right? And then we're listening to the radio and we could hear the Taliban commander asking the trigger man for the I A D. He goes, why didn't you detonate the I A D? And he said, he literally told me already, because I couldn't. He goes, they were shooting at everything. I couldn't get my head up behind the the log to pull the to hit the plunger, right?

• 48:26Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 48:26Speaker 05

  So it actually worked. Just laying bullets down just kept everybody's heads down until we could pass through the gauntlet. So that's why you didn't fire the I A D, yeah.

• 48:34Danny Jones?

  Fuck, man. Good God.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  But when I got out of it, I was, you know, I kept my word to myself. I was like, you know what? Uh, I'm gonna, not because I'm scared, just tired, man, you know, ten years of just that, plus, you know, I've been in every conflict from literally nineteen eighty three Grenada to the present conflict, to include Yemen.

• 48:50Danny Jones?

  Yemen?

• 48:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was in Yemen as a mercenary. Um, and so at that time, I was just like, you know, I gotta.

• 48:58Danny Jones?

  I was talking to Julian the other day, he's like, he's like, get him to talk about Yemen. He calls it Yemen like no one else. Some people call it Yemen. Dale calls it Yemen.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Yemen!

• 49:07Danny Jones?

  Yemen! That's fucking amazing.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  Whatever it is. You know, the white country, man. Yeah, that was a shit show too, but um.

• 49:15Danny Jones?

  So your first, so uh, so after that, you kept the promise to yourself and you decided no more combat?

• 49:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, so so prior to that deployment, um, so the company that bought my company, oh, they were gonna buy my company, right? I had met with them and they said, listen, we'd like to buy your company again, right? And we'd like to have you on board with us, but you know, maybe you can help us with something. Like what? He goes, can you go down to Shell, uh, Houston, uh, Texas, go to corporate security, Shell Oil Company, and pitch this, you know, basically get us a job, is what it came down to. I said, okay. And then if I do that, what happens? They go, we'll buy your company and you can run your company under us and we take care of everything. I said, good deal. So I go down.

• 49:59Danny Jones?

  I'll make that deal.

• 49:59Speaker 05

  So I went down there, yeah, and I did. I I sold the program. Um, what we did was provide um, security for, for example, I think the drilling season, if I remember right, was May through like August, September. So what they do in the drilling seasons, the oil companies. They send all their drilling boats and ships and everything up to the Arctic Circle during that time. The problem, sometimes they come all the way from New Zealand. The problem is, you got all the granola heads out there. Everybody wants to paint them, you know,

• 50:29Danny Jones?

  The who?

• 50:30Speaker 05

  You know, the Green Peacers, you know,

• 50:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, the granola heads.

• 50:33Speaker 05

  Environmentalists, right?

• 50:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. So anyways, they're always causing trouble. So anyways, so they need a security onboard.

• 50:39Danny Jones?

  Greta Thunberg?

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. So they need security. And so what we did is provide security for them. And that was my job to manage that. Getting, you know, two guys on each boat, you know, and it was unarmed, but nonetheless, their job was to advise the commander, the crew, captain, you know, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So, so I did it and like, well, good job. Bought my company and I started working for them for a couple of years.

• 51:03Danny Jones?

  You know, there's a lot of cartel conflict in with the oil companies down in Texas, too, I heard.

• 51:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:09Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, I watched the show, The Oil Man Show with Billy Bob Thornton.

• 51:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:12Danny Jones?

  Fucking, I don't know if you saw that, but they, there was a lot of conflict and drama that goes between the cartel messing with the, uh, the oil companies. And like, there's also a lot of, like, illegal shit that they have to do when they're having their, and again, I don't know if this is, I mean, I assume there's, this is based in a lot of reality where like, there's things where like, the cartel will steal a lot of their shit, and they, they don't have time to like, mess around. They basically have to like, let the cartel steal their stuff and like, use it as a write-off, or else the cartel, it's going to be just a war between the oil companies and the cartels.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, what I, actually, what I ended up doing too is, um, I started doing a lot of consulting work for petrochemical plants, oil companies down on the border. So I've been down on the border in Texas. And, uh, here's what I, this was years ago, but here's what I, what I observed. One, yeah, that even back then, you had people come across the border and they're literally stealing like, company trucks.

• 52:11Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  To infiltrate, get further deeper in, right? Um, equipment, things like that. Um, literally at gunpoint, holding up the wall workers, going, give me your gun and your keys, you know, and your wallet while you had it. So that was happening. The other thing that was happening that nobody talked about was

• 52:30Speaker 05

  We're finding caches with like prayer rugs, AK-47s, all that shit on the border. Yeah.

• 52:37Danny Jones?

  Prayer rugs?

• 52:38Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 52:40Danny Jones?

  Muslims were coming through this Mexican border.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  Yes, with weapons, with weapons, right? So, um, shoulder-fired weapons, AK-47s, all that kind of stuff. And nobody wanted to talk about that, right? And, uh, because they don't want, I guess, freak people out. Well, they should have freaked people out because maybe, maybe we could have stopped a lot of bullshit early on. But, uh, which the irony of it is, like I would tell nuclear power plants, listen, you guys need to protect yourself from a shoulder-fired weapon. They go, ah, what, the bad guys are gonna get shoulder-fired weapons from them? I go, well, they just go down to Radio Shack. What are we talking about? I say, yeah, there was a guy actually in Florida went to Radio Shack, bought all the components and actually built a shoulder-fired weapon, RPG. In fact, one of my business partners, he's really good at manufacturing, he actually built a stainless steel RPG that actually could fire projectiles.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  He's one of six guys in the United States that has a license to build shoulder-fired weapons, and he made it at home in his garage.

• 53:30Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Right? So, no, it's not hard to do. Uh, in fact, if you, you mentioned drones earlier, if you look at the drones in Ukraine, they're very small, and how are these little fifty-dollar drones taking out these fifty million-dollar high-end tanks?

• 53:43Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 53:44Speaker 05

  It's because of what's called a shape charge. Shape charge is very simple to make, right? So, and a shape charge is actually the component to an RPG that allows it to penetrate armors in tanks and destroy things.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 53:56Speaker 05

  So, yeah, it's not hard to make. That's the reality of it. It's not hard to make. So, you know, we've been, as Americans, you know, citizens, civilians, security, have been too complacent because they don't know what they don't know, because nobody wants to tell them what they need to know, right? So, there's more going on in this world, especially in this country, and has been for a very long time, that most people don't, they're not even aware of. But we're starting to hear it now, and I was like, wait, what, what? Right?

• 54:20Danny Jones?

  I originally had this dude on the show who was, uh, working at the RAND Corporation, and he was talking about how they, they're, it's like a think tank, military, uh, futuristic think tank on how to, uh, implement new war tactics. And one of the things that they talk about is, uh, or they're working on is this thing called spreadsheet warfare, where Essentially, they can do things for really cheap, really cheap, effective operations and cheap weapons to take out super expensive military equipment for, you know, adversary military equipment. So essentially they take like, and there was a Palantir commercial too that we watched where there was like 500, $100 drones, right? With little explosives in them. They can take them and swarm battleships and literally take out a fricking $6 billion battleship.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  Well, that's asymmetrical warfare. Here's the funny part. This is not even new. So I want you to think about this. Go back to when Russia went into Afghanistan. They were fighting the Mujahideen.

• 55:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:13Speaker 05

  Right? The Mujahideen dudes with flip flops and AK-47s handing the Russian, a modern army, their ass. Why? Okay. Why is that? Because, listen, man, we, you know, we get too caught up in conventional warfare, the whole World War II mindset. We gotta have tanks and massive armies going together.

• 55:30Danny Jones?

  We were helping them too, weren't they?

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Well, no, the problem is when you fight a war asymmetrically, when you use guerrilla fighters, you can't win.

• 55:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:37Speaker 05

  Right? And this is, and this is what gets me is about Afghanistan and even Iraq is they were bent on using conventional forces, right? To fight an unconventional war because the Taliban, they were, you can't, they were invisible. They, they were villagers and at night they'd put their shit on and go out and get in a fight and hide it in a cachet, come back and go to war. And it did in Iraq too, right? So we were, we were fighting unconventional warfare using conventional means and nobody wanted to change that paradigm, right? Because, well, there were guys in armor, for example, arguing, you know, that, you know, why they should be there. And it's like, you're not, for what, right?

• 56:17Speaker 05

  Afghanistan should have been a special forces mission only. Spec Ops, right?

• 56:23Danny Jones?

  Surgical shit.

• 56:25Speaker 05

  Yeah. A-team goes in, for example, like I did, and you go out and you, you, you go out and spot recruit, train, train, you know, 500 Afghan, you know, goat farmers. You teach them to be soldiers. I'm gonna give you a lot of money to be my soldier and fight for me. Take care of all your kids. I have lots of goats, right? We're gonna go do bad things to, you know, bad people. And that, so a special forces team, like an A-team, Green Bay team, is what's called a force multiplier. That's our job is go out and build these units, these basically small armies, right? To go out and, and, and fight.

• 57:00Speaker 05

  It doesn't work when you're trying to, you know, you're trying to use, you know, conventional armor, you know, to fight a guy that's hiding in the shadows all the time. Like, how, what are you gonna do? Send a hundred and fifty infantry guys to find a small band of dudes somewhere in the mountains? You know? Um, and I, and I hate to say this, man, but the reality is this. You know, war is a racket and people are making money. And they made a lot of money keeping that war going. Everybody wanted to be, everybody wanted to play. I remember being at some black sites out in the, literally Fort Apache. Indian country, as dangerous as it can get, not only externally, but internally. I had five hundred Afghans, which I know I had Taliban in the ranks, right? We had a second contolment area within the major contolment area.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  That was just for the Americans, right? We had all our, our radios, communications, all that stuff in there. Um, we had a total of fifteen Americans there. Um, only two of us were shooters. The other ones were log reps, um, communicators, case officers, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, uh, I remember what would happen, and I looked at some of who these, these, for example, logisticians that came in, right? Where are you from? Some chick. Oh, I'm from, you know, uh, I don't know, Venice, you know, or Italy, right? Rome, Italy, from the embassy there, or from Germany, or I'm, you know? They're all from these embassies and they want to get, they want, we call them combat tourists. Right? They want to go down range, go, yes, I was in combat, right?

• 58:27Speaker 05

  And I remember this one chick, she's walking around and she ain't got a firearm on her, right? And, uh, and I asked her, I said, where's your, where's your pistol at? You know, you're supposed to carry a pistol, minimum, right? You should. She goes, well, I'm against guns. Now, think about the mindset there, right? That's very typical, by the way. That was not a one-off. I got that a lot. I'm against guns. Like, why are you here? Why are you here? Well, I can do my job here, but I don't need a gun. I go, what's gonna keep five hundred dudes from coming over that wall? The five hundred are out there right now. What's gonna keep them from coming over the wall? And what's gonna, how are you gonna defend me?

• 58:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 05

  With what? Harsh words, right? So there was a lot of that going on. It was really crazy, man.

• 59:03Danny Jones?

  Ideology versus practicality.

• 59:06Speaker 05

  Dude, we have lost our, yeah, we have lost our focus as a nation, man. Um, hopefully we're getting it back now, but, uh, it was really, really bad. Really, really bad. I remember, I don't even want to talk about some of the shit I saw and heard over there. It would make your head split, like, what? Um, it was crazy, man. Even D E I was an effect over there. I had a guy tell me.

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• 1:00:27Speaker 05

  He's a DEI guy, and actually, he was at the time, he was an EO guy.

• 1:00:32Danny Jones?

  What's that mean?

• 1:00:33Speaker 05

  Equal opportunity, right?

• 1:00:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  And he was a rep, and he, his job was to come out to all the fobs, right? The camps and stuff out there.

• 1:00:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Speaker 05

  And to literally give us a class on equal opportunity, no harassment, don't call people nasty names, don't check out the chick in the hallway, you know? Just weird shit, right? And I remember they came out, and one of the things they were telling, or he was telling us, he goes, you know, "Look, if we, two dudes, a bunch of dudes in a room together, we're gonna play grab ass, call each other kinds of weird names and shit, you know? Whatever, hey asshole, hey dumb shit, you know, whatever, retard, right? That's what we do."

• 1:01:12Danny Jones?

  Dick and fart jokes.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Right, right, so...

• 1:01:14Danny Jones?

  You're supposed to be gonna call people gay and retarded.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, he was like, "You can't do that, right? And you shouldn't be cussing at people, you know, treat people with, you know, respect." And I'm like, "You know where you're at, right?" He's looking at me, I said, "This camp right here, first of all..." I said, the dudes that are around us, these are all freaking hardcore Afghans. Some of them have fought to actually the Russians, they're freaking hardcore. I said, when I go outside the gate here, maybe by myself or with one other American, sometimes I gotta call these guys a motherfucker because they're not doing what they're supposed to do. It's like, if you don't do it, I'm gonna shoot you myself, right? And so, they don't, when it comes to combat, sometimes being a nice guy doesn't work. You're gonna have to be a dick and get the job done, you know?

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  And so, you know, and I'll yell at these guys and I'll, you know, I do shit like that because that's what needs to be done. So, come in here preaching about EEO and all this other crap. But, um, yeah, it was a weird, it was, there was some weird stuff too. Um, overall, I enjoyed the job and I'll tell you why because I had full autonomy. It was like, and I always use the, the, um, you know, I talk about-

• 1:02:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, sorry, and just to clarify, we're talking about what point in time right now? Like, what year roughly?

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  Uh, this was circa, actually, this particular event was 2010?

• 1:02:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:02:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, something like that, right? And, uh, that was the other part. As the war draw, it started drawing on, it started getting really more crazy because, you know, now all these, the bureaucrats came in, you gotta do this, you gotta write a con op for 10 days, just go on a mission for tomorrow, right? And just stupid stuff. When I was there, um, literally, I could walk into the office to the boss and they'd go, "Hey, man, I'm taking the boys out tonight, we're gonna go down range here, we're gonna hit this target. If I hit this target, I'll be back sometime tomorrow afternoon."

• 1:02:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  He'd be like, "Go get it done."

• 1:03:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:00Speaker 05

  Be careful. That was it, that was it. I'd just go do what I want, as long as it was in support of the global war on terror. And I was doing what needed to be done to win the war, collect intelligence, take care of the bad guys, take care of my good guys, um, then, that was fine. And then it started changing as time went on, right? Then they came out with the, uh, you know, you can't interrogate, you know, you have to interview the bad guys. I was like, you know, that was just some stupid stuff there, man.

• 1:03:23Danny Jones?

  You can't interrogate?

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, they came out with that. So, what happened was, American, you know, some of the, you know, some of the weenies were like, "Uh, you can't, you know..." What, actually, what kinda blew everything open was, you, I don't know if you remember that picture of- Bunch of young soldiers, men and women in Iraq and one of the prisons, they had taken a bunch of Iraqi soldiers out, they were butt naked, right? And they're humiliating them and they're doing all kinds of weird shit. They're making them like stack each other up.

• 1:03:47Danny Jones?

  This is the Abu Ghraib stuff?

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. All that kind of crap, right? So that kind of got everybody's attention. But by the way, they were not interrogators. They were way outside their skill set. You know, they're just.

• 1:03:58Danny Jones?

  Well, there was the the enhanced interrogation, which is what they called the torture program. There was a guy, there was a guy who lived right down the road from here who got paid like millions of dollars to uh to develop this enhanced interrogation, like, you know, super sophisticated torture, I guess.

• 1:04:12Speaker 05

  You know what enhanced interrogation is? See, that's the funny thing is, this is what most people don't understand. We we could just make guys cry, don't even have to touch them.

• 1:04:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:04:20Speaker 05

  Just make them cry, right? And they would tell you anything they want. I mean, we we had one guy one time, um, he had two brothers. And and he knew stuff. They were, they were, they built IEDs and things like this. He didn't know we had the brothers. And we're putting pressure on him. When I say pressure, it was really just yelling at him, you know, freaking, you know, and then, you know, you know, manipulating his mind a little bit. But finally, um, I had him handcuffed in a way so his hands were behind the seat. And it was a little uncomfortable if you sit there for a while with handcuffs on. And um, and so we said, well, listen, man, okay, we got, we wrote down everything you just told us. Now we're gonna bring your brothers in here, and if their stories don't match your story, it's gonna be really bad.

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  And his eyes got really big, like, what? And then sure enough, we marched his two brothers that he didn't know we had those, right? And oh my god. That was funny because now they're turning on each other, right? It's like, you know, they're telling on each other. But you know, but it works. I mean, we saved a lot of lives, you know, and it's not an interview, you know, it's you know, the guy that I kind of kind of started this bullshit was John McCain, right? Because he was a POW in Vietnam. He says interrogations don't work. Well, I'll tell you right now, interrogations do work. A lot of Americans are alive because they did work. And guess what? The enemy didn't die for it. They didn't lose a finger. They didn't lose their toenails. They have a, you know, drill in their knee. It doesn't even take all that. Enhanced interrogation technique?

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  A lot of times it's just being, especially culturally, right? So the, for example, the Arabs, particularly Iraqis. Hate to say it, man, they're kind of soft, man. They're tough guys with AK-47, but when you get them alone, they just fold like in a minute. It didn't take much to make them cry and scare them. Yeah, you know, and in fact, I always say most terrorists are like that. Most terrorists are like that, you know, they're just weenies. They're, they're, they're, they're cowards with guns. You take away their gun, you isolate them from their friends. Yeah, they just fall apart, man. Um, and it would make sense, right? That's their bullies. That's what bullies do, you know, you know?

• 1:06:15Danny Jones?

  What, what do you think, um, like, what do you think is the, the fundamental

• 1:06:22Danny Jones?

  reason or the fundamental problem with these people in these countries and, and being militarized to and, and born and raised to hate Americans? Like what, like if there was one common denominator underlying all of those people, what do you, what would you think, say that it is?

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  Well, you know, I could say religion, but it can't be religion. I'll tell you why. If you look in our country now, we got Americans losing their shit over, over American. I mean, they're just as radical as anybody else in the planet. So you can't say it's necessarily religion. There might be a religion component to it. For example, Islam.

• 1:07:00Danny Jones?

  Sure. If you tell people they're going to meet 50 virgins when they die and, you know?

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's 74 now.

• 1:07:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, 74.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  I think that went up, right?

• 1:07:06Danny Jones?

  Okay, yeah. Never have too many virgins in heaven or hell, wherever the fuck you're going.

• 1:07:10Speaker 05

  Well, we gotta come, you account for inflation and stuff like that, right? I mean, and bigger guys, more steroids, but, um, so, yeah, um, I lost my train of thought.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  Think about all in virgin, like, woo.

• 1:07:23Danny Jones?

  Like the common, like the common denominator or driving force behind?

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, look, here's, here's the thing a lot of people don't know. Um, my wife's actually Muslim. My wife's Indonesian and she's a Muslim. And I'll tell you, Indonesian Muslims are not like Middle Eastern Muslims, far from it, far from it. My wife smokes cigarettes, you know, paints her toenails. She wears booty shorts, you know, big boobies hanging out.

• 1:07:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  And so that's kind of, especially where we live, it's kind of common. Um, it's not. There's, in fact, where I live, Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Hindu and Muslims, all live together and there's no drama. There's no drama whatsoever. So I can't say it's that. It's the, it's not, now, it could be the more extremist Muslims in the Middle East. In fact, I was in Egypt one time, I'm sorry, I was in LAX, and my driver, my limo driver was an Egyptian guy, and he said, "Where you, you know, where you living?" And I said, "Well, I'm living in Indonesia." And he goes, "Oh," he goes, "Indonesian people are great." He goes, "The Indonesian Muslims are Muslims we try to aspire to be like. They're very friendly." I was like, "Where you from?"

• 1:08:25Speaker 05

  "Because I'm from Egypt." I go, "Oh, yeah, probably a good idea, man." There's no drama about religion over there, none. Nobody messes with you about religion in Indonesia. And it's 93% Muslim. So it's that, that part of it could be maybe extremism. And I think a lot of it's just brainwashing, man. When you think about, I mean, how can so many smart people be so stupid? How can so many smart people just seem to be just going along with this program? Is it because they have nefarious intentions and they want to do something badly and bring us all down? Or are they just that dumb? I would argue number two. Most people are just dumb, even with an education. They're just not that smart.

• 1:09:04Danny Jones?

  Well, I think we looked it up, actually, on a recent podcast, Steve, but I think we found that like, I want to say 50% of the population of Afghanistan, I think, and that area in general is inbred.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of inbreeding going on.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, that's not a good thing, especially with humans, right? You could do maybe one-off, but maybe a cousin or something like that, but after you do two or three, it starts getting weird, right?

• 1:09:30Danny Jones?

  I mean, that's not the only thing, obviously, like, combined with the fact that, you know, this, what's been going on over there, with, especially with people being killed and children seeing their, their entire lives destroyed in front of their faces, their, their mothers and siblings and fathers being killed in front of them, and it's very easy to paint a picture for them like, "America, bad guy." I mean, if I was in their shoes, I would probably feel the same fucking way, like. These people are the responsible for my whole family dying. I'm gonna dedicate the rest of my life to wiping America off the face of the planet. And so it's like, you know, it's like this, you know, this self fulfilling prophecy of was go out there and and take out more terrorists.

• 1:10:14Danny Jones?

  But there is that you're it's the Hydra, right? You chop off the head and forego back.

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is the cousin marriage statistic. The study found that the rate to be forty seven point two percent and Morocco gives you a percentage of every single country that has cousin marriage in the Middle East. Oh, okay. So what's the top, what's the top country in the Middle East that has the highest percentage of cousin marriage, Steve?

• 1:10:42Danny Jones?

  You gotta click the link.

• 1:10:49Danny Jones?

  Uh, find the list.

• 1:10:52Danny Jones?

  All right, let us know when you find the list. But anyways, that's a, you know, that's it. And that's a huge part of what's going on right now with with Israel and and Gaza, you know? That it's just like, the more people you kill, like killing people is not going to solve the problem.

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Danny Jones?

  I I don't think.

• 1:11:12Danny Jones?

  Which is why, which is why, you know, I've had this debate with people too on the show. And I've thought a lot about it like.

• 1:11:20Danny Jones?

  I sometimes wonder if doing surgical operations like under, under the, under the nighttime, like, like, like quiet covert operations where you can go in and slit one guy's throat. Instead of sending tons of people in and, you know, spending all this money and killing all these innocent people.

• 1:11:44Danny Jones?

  You know, you would think that if we really wanted to get rid of these, these problems, you could do them without all the collateral damage and without building up this, these factions that are born and raised with this hatred for America. You know, like you said, I the self licking ice cream cone.

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Danny Jones?

  Is what it's become.

• 1:12:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:07Danny Jones?

  With all these wars and people growing up with, you know, losing their entire families because of these pointless wars.

• 1:12:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, you're right.

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  Surgical, you know, and, and nobody wanted, nobody wanted to talk about that in the past because everybody want to be a player in, in the military, in the, in the, in the war. But now, you know, we see a paradigm shift. We see the use of extensive use of drones. Right? That has really changed the face of the battlefield. I mean, that's some scary stuff. I have a friend, he's one of my coaching clients. He was actually a French Foreign Legionnaire from Ireland. Um, and while I was coaching him, he decided to go to Ukraine to fight. He didn't last a month. I mean, when I say it didn't last, he came back, but, uh, what he told me was as soon as he got there, within about three or four days, he went out with a hundred and twenty men, um, and three of them came back, including him. They were just wiped out by drones, artillery, everything else. Um, he goes, yeah, that's a big problem,

• 1:13:01Speaker 05

  the drones. Um, and how do you beat drones, right? I mean, now they're, they're wire guided, they're GPS guided. There's so many ways you can control a drone that jamming a signal's not always going to work anymore. Some of them are very autonomous, can fly on a, you, you install a map and then you, you draw out the route. They want it, this thing to fly with a picture of the objective on the end and it just has, it's almost like AI. It knows where, how to fly itself, right? So that's the, the new wave of, of warfare. And I'll be honest with you, I'd hate to be out there fighting in a war like that with a drone. Holy shit, man, you know?

• 1:13:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, some of the videos that have been coming out, come out on the internet.

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  It's brutal.

• 1:13:40Danny Jones?

  Of like the, the, uh, Ukraine war with Russia is, oh my God, it's insane. I've never seen anything like that. It's, it's a crazy time we live in where all this stuff is just broadcast. These guys are out there in combat wearing GoPros that are streaming straight to the internet.

• 1:13:53Speaker 05

  Right. It's crazy.

• 1:13:54Danny Jones?

  Fucking insane.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  You see the one with the, um, it's kind of, this one kind of, kind of disturbed me a little bit. Um, Ukrainian and Russian soldier in hand combat in a knife fight. You seen that one?

• 1:14:05Danny Jones?

  I heard about that. I did not watch it.

• 1:14:07Speaker 05

  Oh my God, dude. It's pretty, it's pretty, it's pretty crazy, man. Um, and finally what happened was.

• 1:14:13Danny Jones?

  And there was like, one guy was wearing a GoPro, right?

• 1:14:16Speaker 05

  Uh, he was wearing GoPro and I, and there was also a ISR bird, uh, not ISR, but a drone up above, right? So film the whole thing. So you can see it from both perspectives, but actually the Ukrainian guy is the guy that came up short, but before he passed, um, he asked the Russian guy, he goes, hey, he goes, I'm done, man. He goes, I'm not going to survive this. Just let me lay here and die in peace. Would you do that for me? And the Russians like, yeah, I can do that for you. And he just got up and left him there and let him down on his own. Um, and it actually

• 1:14:44Danny Jones?

  No, don't, this is not it. I don't want to, no, we can't play this.

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Danny Jones?

  This video, we will get this thing completely nuked off YouTube if you play this.

• 1:14:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:51Danny Jones?

  Don't even do it.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. But Putin apparently, you know, acknowledged this guy for what he did, you know, commended him for it. That's commendable, man. Look, you don't have to kill a dude, you know?

• 1:14:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  Honestly, there's a lot of people I could have killed and I just let him go. It's like, for what?

• 1:15:03Danny Jones?

  You.

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:15:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  You know, it's like, no point to shoot that dude. You know, he's trying to get out of here and he's, you don't know what he's doing. So, so you know, there's a, there's a time and then there's a time where hmm, is it worth doing that, you know?

• 1:15:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Speaker 05

  Is it worth engaging right now and risking hurting somebody else? Uh, I'll use one example for, you know, real quick, Modelo prison. I was with the preacher on Modelo prison and, uh, I remember there's a

• 1:15:27Danny Jones?

  Where was this?

• 1:15:28Speaker 05

  Uh, Panama.

• 1:15:29Danny Jones?

  In Panama?

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. So when we went into Panama, right? And, uh, the, uh, whatever you want to call it, we did that invasion. Um, but part of it was a rescue.

• 1:15:38Danny Jones?

  In the eighties?

• 1:15:40Speaker 05

  Uh, yes. 1989, December 20th, 1989. So I had an opportunity. There was, I remember there was some, a dude running with like five women around him, whole little kids. They were all clustered together. He had an AK-47. Um,

• 1:15:53Danny Jones?

  First of all, let's, let's lay this out. What was the purpose of this mission? Like, what was the, uh, what was your objective here?

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  All right. So this was, uh, the raid on Modelo prison. So what happened was back in the day with Noriega, right? So he's, he started coming a little off, a little bit off the rails. So they they caught a guy named Kurt Muse. Kurt Muse, even though he'll deny it, was a knock for the CIA, right? Nonofficial cover, posing as a business guy. And then, you know, I'm just

• 1:16:19Danny Jones?

  Meaning he's like completely deniable. The CIA can deny him.

• 1:16:22Speaker 05

  Well, that's what he's right. But it's no deny. So so then he's like, I'm a business guy. Oh, I think I'm gonna start a rotary club. So he starts a rotary club, right? Right? Like, he's a hobby communicator, right? CB guy. But actually, what he was doing is running SIGINT Ops Against Noriega. So he's literally jamming his speeches, all kinds of stuff, right? And Noriega was on to him, him and his group of guys. They finally caught him, and they put him in the Modelo prison, the Modelo prison. And so he was locked up in there. He was gonna probably get executed at some point. We knew he was in there. We knew where he was. But why do we know? Because we were able to send doctors in to do a welfare check. They would come back, go, yeah, this is what they're gonna do. So the decision was made when the invasion starts, before the invasion starts, that we would go in as Delta

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  and rescue this guy first, right? Out of the prison. Otherwise, we'll never get to him. So that's how it went down. So it was actually, H hour was midnight of December 20. And we ended up going in at 00, 2 hours, 20 minutes later, because we were compromised. Why were we compromised? Because somebody called home to mommy, said, mommy, I think something's gonna happen tonight in Panama. I don't ever see you again. I love you. A couple of guys did that shit, believe it or not. And that's OPSEC violation. And so that got intercepted.

• 1:17:35Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 1:17:35Speaker 05

  Got sent to Noriega. So now he started pissing up the army around the prison and the commandantcy, the headquarters, which were right across the street from each other. So now there's a lot of activity. Our snipers called back, 7 hours out, and I go, man, something's going on here. A lot of vehicles, gun trucks showing up, a lot of activity. And oh, yeah, a lot of civilians showing up in their cars and lawn chairs, expecting the Mardi Gras parade or something, right? So like, what is going on? So it was, yeah, it was pretty bad. So we all thing we could do is move our eight hour twenty minutes to the right because what happened was the eighty second airborne division, the Rangers, everybody was in the air already flying. There was probably a hundred plus aircraft, C one thirties, one

• 1:18:15Speaker 05

  forty ones in route, right? So that's a big radar signature. And there's no way we could turn them back at this point. So they the operation had to go. Only thing we could do is just shift it right twenty minutes. Maybe that would make a difference if they thought it was midnight. We don't show up, they might let their guard down. We don't know. But anyways, we did it anyways. And we went in and basically landed on the roof of the prison. It was again total of fifteen helicopters, four helicopters landed. One of them was mine. I was the breacher on this thing. And went in rescue. I blew the doors open on the top of the building. And then we went in, started clearing the clearing the prison. They actually had, if I remember right, sixty four prison guards on the ground

• 1:18:58Speaker 05

  floor, and they augmented with another sixty or sixty five Panamanian Defense Forces. They had a hundred twenty shooters on the ground floor sandbagged, because they were actually expecting a ground assault. They weren't ready for an air assault.

• 1:19:09Danny Jones?

  So did this guy you were going into exfiltrate, did he know you guys were coming?

• 1:19:13Speaker 05

  He did not.

• 1:19:14Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:19:15Speaker 05

  No. In fact, his book is called Six Minutes of Freedom. And he talks about his experience, what happened to him, and what he observed and, you know, was able to assess inside the cell when all this was going down. But yeah, I just did a documentary on this up in New York that's gonna come out maybe at the end of summer on Netflix. It's called SOF, SOF True. And that's one of the stories that's gonna be talked about because I was the breacher on this thing. So I kind of give the whole detailed version of it. So that'll be out. It's it's kind of out on on Discovery and History Channel, but not not full of details. But yeah, so I forgot what I was going with that. But yeah, that was the

• 1:19:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you were saying you broke through the top and you guys went in there and they they expected you guys to come from the ground and you guys came from the air.

• 1:20:03Speaker 05

  So we breached from the top. I actually was a breacher on it. There's a story. So what happened was because there's some there's some misinformation out there. And people don't know what they don't know. I'm the only guy in front of this door, literally raging gunfight. I run out there with my explosives. I precalculated everything, set the charge up.

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  The charge came off the door because we were told by the CIA it was a solid steel door. So I built the charge accordingly. It was about seventy eight inches long. Um, it was a lot of it. It's two pounds of explosives. It's a lot. That's way overkill. And but I didn't care because I knew nobody would be on the other side of that cupola when I blew it up, that annex. And when I got there, to my surprise, it was a jail door, six inches from the steel door. That wasn't told to me. So now I have these jail bars and I'm going to try to attach an explosive charge from the top to the bottom, seventy eight inches long. And guess what I'm losing? I'm losing charge to surface contact because all I got are the bars, right? And the sticky adhesive is not going to stick that well on just the little, little bars going up there, right?

• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  And so what ended up happening was the charge actually fell off the door. Um, as I pulled the firing system and one of the fuse igniters misfired. Okay, no big deal. I turned around, ran back out there, picked it back up, put it back on there, went through the process again. And I pulled the one to get fuse igniter. It did, it did finally go. Um, charge went off, blew the doors in, we went inside, took care of business and got Kurt Muse out. And within six minutes from the time we executed to lift off was, it was six minutes, um, total. And his bird was the first bird to leave the roof and the first bird to get shot down, Kurt Muse. So we put him inside of one of the little birds, right? The, the little flying eggs. And we had two assaulters on each side plus the pilots.

• 1:21:45Speaker 05

  And when they lifted off the roof, because the helicopters were so heavy, they have to get a running speed. They can't just lift off and they had to literally get a little bit of clearance off the ground, get forward speed. As they get forward speed, they start getting lift under the rotors, which helps them go up. Well, in this case, the pilot, for whatever reason, couldn't get enough lift. He dived off the roof, which is four stories high. And he, to get a little bit of airspeed, and when he did, he took it up the ass from the, everybody on the ground floor. They just lit him up, right? And so he goes down the road, just a little bit, about a quarter, not even a block, and makes a left turn, hits a power line, gets shot down again, and then just crashed into the street. Um, everybody survived.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  Kurt Muse was the only guy that didn't get hurt in that crash. We had one guy get shot in the chest. One guy get shot in the leg. We had one guy get, literally got hit in the head with a rotor strike. Took his, yeah chopped his helmet in half.

• 1:22:33Danny Jones?

  He lived?

• 1:22:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. Dude, he was on medicine. That was his second helicopter crash in a month. And five months later, he was on a helicopter with me again. We crashed again and that one paralyzed him for life. So he had three helicopter crashes in about six months. And that third one put him paralyzed him for life. Well, he was my assistant team leader. But, but yeah, it was a, it was a successful mission. We lost two helicopters.

• 1:22:58Speaker 05

  No major casualties. None of us got, none of our guys got killed. A lot of their guys got killed, but none of our guys got killed. So that was at, that was Modelo prison and pretty, pretty hua night for me.

• 1:23:12Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:23:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. So because what happened was before I went there,

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  I've told this story like a hundred times already. What happened was before I went there, I was actually in the Q course to get, become a Green Beret, right? So.

• 1:23:23Danny Jones?

  The Q course?

• 1:23:24Speaker 05

  Yes, qualification course, Special Forces qualification course. And so, so the unit released me for six months to go to the court to training. I got out of training. As soon as I showed up, I think it was December, something like the fourteenth or something like that.

• 1:23:40Speaker 05

  Show up to work and my team was like, hey, we're, we're rehearsing for this operation that's probably going to go down in panel. This is what it is, blah, blah, blah. So we're out doing training. The first day I'm out training, the very first day, the very first evolution, I get blown up, literally got blown up, got hit in the leg with a flashbang and I got a lot of shrapnel in my leg. I ended up in the hospital. They had to debrief it, cut it all open, staple it together, put me back together and then now I'm on staff duty. So basically my job was to sit in the office, the main office of the building at night and answer the phone when nobody's there, right? So I'm in charge of quarters, so to speak, staff duty, right? So I gotta wear a suit, you know, and which sucks because I don't know how long I'm gonna be, you know, laid up like this.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  And on the December, I think sixteenth or seventeenth, I think it was the seventeenth, I get a phone call from Joint Special Operations Command on the red phone. I answer it. Hey, this is whatever JSOC, Blue Spoons in effect, notify your unit. Alert unit. So I was, holy shit, this is real. So I page everybody in. It was my squadron was on alert. They show up, they're, they're loading out. Got two hours to get ready and get down range and get on the airplane and leave. And I was debriefing the.

• 1:24:52Speaker 05

  The troop commander, his name was Gary Harrell, General Harrell now, he's passed, but he comes in, I give him the debrief, he said, "Here's what happened, sir, here's the intel, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, we're gonna do this, they're gonna do that." And then, he's like, "Good to go, okay," so he starts to leave, he walks out the office, he stops, turns around, comes back in, he looks at me, he goes, "Hey, man," he goes, "Look," he goes, "I know, you know, you got a bad leg, your crutches, blah, blah, blah, you're going through a ugly divorce again, right?" So, he's like, you know, "But," he goes, "I wouldn't feel right if I didn't invite you to come along." He says, "You don't have to, obviously you're on profile, but," he goes, "This is gonna be the Super Bowl, man, this is what we've been training for, you're the breacher, you know, you're the guy with explosives," he goes, "Love to have you, but if you don't, I understand." And I looked at him, I said, "You ain't gotta ask me twice, man." "I'm in."

• 1:25:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I hopped on down to my team room, loaded all my shit, got my flight suit, put my salt boots on, and went down range with them. So I never really got to see the target or practice on the target or anything. The first time I actually saw it and practiced on it was when I was on it. And so, we're down in Howard Air Force Base, nobody knows we're there to do anything, they just think we're anybody else, they're training and stuff, and we're building charges, we're kinda going through all the planning. And then, the night when we did the assault, I had the medics come and take all the staples out of my leg and tape it up really good, because I don't wanna rip it while I'm running around the roof, so they fixed me up pretty good. And then, there it is, and I'm now the breacher on this target.

• 1:26:18Speaker 05

  Now, what's interesting is, so we were flying Task Force 160th, they're probably the best, no doubt, the best helicopter pilots in the world, Special Operations Aviation Regiment, SOAR. And so, we were flying little birds, the little, you probably see the little flying eggs with the little pods on the outside, guys are sitting on the outside, they're strapped in, right? Okay, those were 860s. Now, at that time...

• 1:26:43Speaker 05

  Those particular helicopters, as I was told by one of the pilots, had um, they had the same engines. They put in irrigation sprinkler system for like farm fields, right? So they, you know, the big sprinklers, right? They have a motor that runs all that stuff. Well, they get, it's the same motor they put in the helicopter. So it's like, so we're flying on a sprinkler. Right? And he goes, and it doesn't have a lot of power, enough to squirt water, but not really, you know, carry a lot of weight. So that was like one of the, you know, earlier generations. So the problem was, we're going to infill with a lot of equipment. Four guys on each, on each helicopter, two by two on the pods, plus our armor, our gear, explosives. We're bringing in um, other, you know, other breaching tools like thermal torches, you know, a lot of stuff, right?

• 1:27:26Speaker 05

  Just in case we can't get in, cutting torches, cutting saws. And so what we realized right away was we're going to exceed the aircraft load. The ACL is what they call it, right? Too much weight. So like, well, shit, we can't give up. We didn't even carry water. We had no waters, like we've got nothing else we can strip. In fact, they um, weighed every operator, get a baseline and see what our weights are. I was the, I was the lightest guy with 70 pounds of shit on my ass. 70 pounds, man. And um, and I was a small dude at times, I was 164 pounds. So I was the lightest guy. So what they did was, okay, we're going to have to strip avionics out of these helicopters, right? So they just pulled stuff out they didn't need, just, you know, you don't need that. What is it? Compass, yeah, you don't need that, just fly in that direction, right? Just out, out, out, out.

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  And it still wasn't enough for two helicopters. Guess what they did? They removed a pilot out of each helicopter. So two helicopters only had one pilot and two of them had two pilots. Yeah. And guess what? The two pilots, the two helicopters had two pilots, each had one pilot get shot. Oh my God. So um, yeah, there was, yeah, they, they did everything they could just to turn, skeletonize this thing, right? So they could get the airframe up and even then it was still a little too heavy. That's why we had to get these running starts. Yeah. And we couldn't just sink and land. We had to come in really slow and float it down. Um, but it worked and you know, they're much stronger today and more dynamic. But at that time, that's what we had to work with, so.

• 1:28:49Speaker 05

  But yeah, it was a, it was a great, uh, it was a great night. Honestly, when I think about it's like all our training, everything I ever dreamed of, but about being in the unit happened that night. Man, we made history. You know, this is, this is big, man.

• 1:29:03Danny Jones?

  How many guys were you guys, were you with total?

• 1:29:05Speaker 05

  A total of 26 of us.

• 1:29:06Danny Jones?

  26.

• 1:29:07Speaker 05

  So we had, we had guys stay on the roof and engage targets from the roof, like the, the towers, um, across to the commandantia. And then we had two assault teams, my team and one other team go inside. So we had total about 11 guys actually go in to the building looking for them and, and clearing it. Um, remember we got 120 something dudes on the ground floor. They're waiting for us. Now here's the, yeah. So we get in, we finally get to Kurt Muse.

• 1:29:31Speaker 05

  And, um, there, the, the interrogator was there with him was giving instructions that if you hear any gunfire, if you think they're coming, just go in there and let the air out of Kurt Muse, right? Kill them. That was his instructions. We knew that because the doctors told that. And, uh, so we knew we had to hurry. So as we get in the door, there were, there were other guards already down there, right? And they just didn't want nothing to do with this thing. They just dropped their shit and lay down on the floor and just went prone. And I was like, I don't want to fight. I said, they didn't fight and we didn't kill them. Okay. We just flux cut from them. Said, okay, you, you, you're out of play. Um, when, when the, when the team actually breached the door with the interrogator and Kurt Muse in it. So think of it one big room and then you got a jail cell room

• 1:30:12Speaker 05

  with Moose in it, right? So when they breached the main door, the interrogator grabbed his handgun and ran. There was a small shower stall. I actually have a picture of it, but, uh, um, he got in the shower stall and he stood there with his hands up, gun up, ready to shoot anybody coming through the door. Now, one of the guys, his name was James. James is also gone, but James saw him running, so he runs right after him, chased him into the shower. James got a car 15. This dude's waiting for him to come in and James shoots the guy in the chest four times. He kills him. The guy never got a shot off.

• 1:30:43Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:30:44Speaker 05

  Just drops him right there. Boom, boom, boom, boom. There's a reason that happens, by the way. Um, this, this might be something that might interest some of the listeners out there. There's a thing called general adaption syndrome, right? Or stress shock phenomena. And so what happens is,

• 1:30:59Speaker 05

  What, basically, this guy went into stress shock phenomena and he didn't know what to do, right? So there's, there's different responses to stress. You know, there's fight, there's flight, there's, you know, there's freezing, there's, uh, um, you know, there's basically fainting, you know, submission, there's different responses, right? Um, the only real, to me, the only real response is either run or you fight, right? Everything else is a non-starter, right? So it's gonna get you killed. But the problem was, the guy was standing in there and he was trying to figure out what he's gonna do and he wasn't prepared to fight, right? He hadn't made the decision in his mind that he's ready to pull the trigger to kill a man. Um, there's another aspect of it called resolving your own death. If you've never resolved your own death, in

• 1:31:40Speaker 05

  other words, if you go into combat and you're not prepared to die that day, you're probably gonna not perform like you need to, right? So, and you're gonna hesitate, or you're gonna balk. And there's a lot of studies that support this thing. Um,

• 1:31:55Danny Jones?

  How does one be prepared to die?

• 1:31:57Speaker 05

  Well, it's called resolving your own death. That's the most important one, right? So, for example, if I was a police officer, right, every day I'd go leave my house, kiss my wife goodbye, I'm prepared not to come back, right? That might be my last day on the job, but not only am I prepared not to come back, I also know I did everything I'm supposed to do to make sure my wife and kids are taken care of. So if I am gone, they got insurance, everything's paid for, everything's caught up, right? So, that's called, so I know I can, I won't hesitate in that one moment where I'm like, oh shit, I didn't, I didn't pay for the, you know, the insurance this month, whatever, right? Um, or maybe I haven't made peace with, you know, God, or whatever it is I believe in, right? I'm still sitting on the fence. And I've seen guys hesitate, like, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, and bam, you're dead anyways. Like,

• 1:32:41Speaker 05

  you know, it's too late, man. You're either ready to fight or you're not. And most guys are not. They're, they just haven't resolved their death, right? And, um, and they're, so they're not committed. And, uh, this guy wasn't committed. And there's, there's another aspect to it. So anytime you're, you know, you've heard of starrel reflex, somebody comes and goes boo, right? So what happens is, in that boo phase, you have got to go from, um, this sedentary

• 1:33:07Speaker 05

  Stage, states that you're in, right? Like right now, we're kind of like relaxed. So if some dude just walks in right now with a 12 gauge and opens up, uh, guess what's gonna happen? You and I have to switch gears from this. We're gonna have to go from fifth gear cruising. We're gonna have to downshift to third gear, right? We're gonna have to create epinephrine or epinephrine, uh, cortisol. There's a lot of things that have to happen in our body to prepare to either run or to fight. Okay? And so that's gonna take some time. What? I don't know, hundreds of a second, but when we're talking about fighting in combat, every tenth of a second, hundredths of a second matters, right? And so you're still behind the eight ball. When that guy surprises you, you're actually now playing catch-up, right? So in,

• 1:33:49Speaker 05

  in, in the military, um, we have three tenths for combat. Surprise, speed, violence of action. Surprise, speed, violence of action. I actually have four. Surprise, speed, violence of action, and momentum. All right? Um, that's the last one's when I put it in, I have a reason for it. But so surprise, where you surprise somebody, what happens is you put them in this stress shock phenomena, this general adaptions, right? They gotta go through this bi- this physiological change to prepare to run or fight. Well, while they're going through that, which only takes a little bit of time, they're still behind the eight ball and other guy's got the advantage on you. And if you can never, if you never can, the only way you can overcome that guy is you've got to surprise him. So you have to do something unexpected. He wasn't ready

• 1:34:32Speaker 05

  for, right? So maybe guy comes with a shotgun, he takes a shot and I throw his hot coffee thing at him, right? That's unexpected. So he's gonna duck and dodge. So now he's, I've kind of taken him out of the fight, right? So I was in what we call the OODA loop. I was in his OODA loop and now I put him back into my OODA loop. I don't know if you know what OODA means, but OODA is a term stands for observe, orient, side, act. Okay? So I have to observe, dude just came with a shotgun. I've got to orient, what am I gonna do? I'm gonna throw a coffee, you know, this coffee, um, pitcher at him. Um, but When I orient, I'm also moving, changing my orientation and making a decision, what am I gonna do? And then I have to act. So that's the loop, right? The cycle. Um, observe, orient, side, act.

• 1:35:12Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:35:12Speaker 05

  Observe, orient, side, act. So when he comes to the door and goes, surprise, and he shoots, I'm in his loop. He's making me react to everything, right?

• 1:35:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm not controlling him, he's controlling me. I'm no longer controlling the situation, he's controlling the situation, right? What I wanna do is control the situation, I wanna control him. Only way I can do is reverse the momentum.

• 1:35:30Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:35:30Speaker 05

  Now, how do I do that? Well, maybe, uh, I'm lucky he didn't get me with the first shot. I rolled to the floor and I was able to pull my handgun out and take the shot back. So, you know, I reversed some momentum.

• 1:35:39Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:40Speaker 05

  So that's, these are some principles of combat, um, that, uh, you know, it's not that complicated, but once you understand it, you know, you, you realize that, uh, um, combat, like any kind of combat, whether it's, uh, armed combat, or empty hand combat, a street fight, bar fight, fight, it's all psychological.

• 1:35:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:59Speaker 05

  Right? So if you know that the other guy's probably not prepared, right? And even if he is prepared, you could surprise him and he'll, for example, we used to do force on force training in the unit, right? So today, let's say all our assault teams are gonna go out down to the shooting, training area, and we're gonna do CQB, we're gonna clear, clear the rooms, the buildings, okay? And who's gonna be the aggressors? Okay, my team will be the aggressors, so my team is the aggressors, right? So we're waiting in the rooms, we know the other assault teams out there are gonna come in. We know that the SOP is, because we all live off the same SOP. We know they're gonna come in, we know what they're gonna do, they're gonna shoot with the munitions, right? Or wax bullets or whatever, they're gonna throw flashbangs in, and we're standing ready for them. And guess what? They come in and they still win the fight. You know why?

• 1:36:41Speaker 05

  Because they got the element of surprise. Even though I know they're out there, they throw a flashbang in. And then the other element of surprise is speed. They move so fast and so fluid that I can't decide who I wanna shoot first in that tenth of a second. And while I'm trying to make the decision, that, shoot that guy, the other guy's already shot me.

• 1:36:57Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:36:57Speaker 05

  Right? So even when they have the element of surprise and we're aware of it, they can still win because they're using this speed, they use violence of action. And, uh, they're basically overwhelming you. And I call it momentum, they're gonna basically keep running you over until you can't get up no more, right? It's like, you know, um, so it can be the same thing in a bar fight. You know, you got a guy, you know, bowing up on you and, uh, he wants to fight, you know it's gonna turn into a fight. Okay, um, the, the fastest way to end that fight besides, well, I wouldn't, I would not necessarily say walk away because you might get hit in the head, back of the head. Right. Um, but let's just say you can't get out of the situation. You know, it's gonna go, it's gonna become a fight. Mm-hmm. The best thing you can do, I think, is initiate, right? Surprise him with something.

• 1:37:40Speaker 05

  And there's different ways to surprise him. Like, for example, you know, you can kinda take, hey, man, I don't wanna fight, blah, blah, blah, blah. And maybe spit in his face. He'd be like, what? And then boom, forearm strike, right? Um, you know, or you're holding a bottle in your hand, hey, man, and you just kinda drop it. He watches it fall. He's watching it fall. Man, you left upper hook, right? Uppercut. So, you can still do surprise even in that scenario. And once you do that, here's what I found, is especially if you embarrass the other guy. Um, and I've done this before, like, really big guys. They'll, they'll be talking all kinds of shit with all their friends, and then I just slap them like a woman, man. Right? And, uh, why do I do that? Because it enrages guys. When you get slapped and it's a loud noise in front of everybody. Oh, yeah. Humiliating. It stings. Your nose runs, your eyes water, and it just takes you aback for a second

• 1:38:25Speaker 05

  because you really thought, a man would punch me. Why did he slap me? Bitch slapped you. He's a little bitch. That's why, right? It's almost an insult, but it happens very fast. And then what happens is, they get really, really angry, right? They just lose, I'm gonna kill you, right? And they try to hit you with everything but the kitchen sink. But here's the thing, in boxing, so I used to be a professional boxer as well. I've got two six-degree blackbells, first-degree blackbell, I'm going on and on. Wow. I know, I know how to fight, right? I've been fighting all my life. And so what happens is, so when a guy gets really mad like that, he becomes enraged, what he does, he just, he wants to crush you. He just wants to kill, he, he wants to hit you as hard as he can. In boxing, we have a saying, if it feels strong, it's wrong. In other words, the harder you try to hit a guy, the less effective you're gonna be. Right.

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  Right? Speed's what kills. So the faster and looser I can throw a punch, it's like a whip. Mm-hmm. More likely I'm gonna hurt you, especially to the head. I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get this, get a, knock you out, give you a concussion, right? Right. Um, and so, and not only that, when you, when you really try to hit somebody really hard, what's happening is, um, you're actually tensing all the muscles to include the muscles required to retract that punch are already engaged. So it feels strong, yeah! Right. But there's no heat on it. Yep. Right? And so, the guys I've always knocked out, I didn't even know I hit them. I just started throwing some punches at them, and it was like, huh? I didn't even feel it, right? Because, speed. Yep. Um, so- So if I can get a guy that's, if I hit, if I slap a guy and get him losing his mind, if he's really big, he'll try to rely on his strength and he's just gonna get really

• 1:39:54Speaker 05

  slow and I'm just gonna eat him up, man. Just, I, I fought a guy one time. This was actually a control fight. Um, he weighed 300 pounds. He was a North Carolina powerlifting champion. Um, and I weighed 164 pounds and he just thought, yeah, I could eat this guy's ass all day long. So, dude, right? So, man, so the first thing I did is, um, I took him to ground, right? And he could not beat me on the ground, right? Just, I was just too cagey for him. He didn't have any jujitsu skills at all. I have a first scoop, I play on jujitsu.

• 1:40:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:40:27Speaker 05

  And, yeah, and he, he just couldn't do it, right? He's just too strong, started gassing out, you know? And then, uh,

• 1:40:32Danny Jones?

  Choke him out?

• 1:40:33Speaker 05

  No, I didn't choke him out. Actually, I got back to my feet because I don't like choking guys out. I like knocking them out. So I get back and throw a roundhouse kick, crack his nose, break his nose. He's bleeding all over the place, you know? And like, and now he's really, really mad, right? It's like, this little guy just beat my ass. Okay, man, we can do this all day long or we just, you know, shake hands and let's, let's do some training now, you know? But, um, you know, speed kills, if it feels strong, it's wrong. These are, these are things to remember. Um, and it's not about how big and strong you are. It's about mindset, right? Particularly combat mindset. And there is a bit, there's a big difference. And, um, you know, I beat guys that, you know, that just, you know, you just thought they're gonna, you're just gonna eat me alive, man. They're so mean and aggressive. But, uh, once you check them real fast, they're all over, man. So combat,

• 1:41:17Speaker 05

  you know, the oodle loop, um, all these things apply through the spectrum of combat, whether it's armed combat, unarmed combat, street fights, combat, you know?

• 1:41:26Danny Jones?

  Right. Hold that thought. I gotta take a leak.

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• 1:41:58Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:41:59Danny Jones?

  How did you transition from doing these, these strategic combat operations into being a, a mercenary? And what, how do you define a mercenary?

• 1:42:11Speaker 05

  Okay. Yeah, so let me kind of, alright, so let me continue on from kind of where I left off earlier.

• 1:42:17Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:42:18Speaker 05

  I did the OGA thing concurrently. I actually ran a couple of companies, mine. Actually, I was a CEO for another company. They were paying me quite a bit of money just to have my resume. And then finally, I decided one day that, you know, the ambush, I said, you know, I think it's time to hang it up.

• 1:42:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Speaker 05

  Two things happened. One, another company bought my company. And two, I literally got discovered by Discovery Channel, like, no shit. So they're calling me, wanting to know if I'd be on this TV show called One Man Army.

• 1:42:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, why not? That'd be kind of cool. Be like a one-off, right? I thought, kind of closed a chapter of my life because I thought from here on, it's going to be doing just civilian stuff. Man, was I ever wrong. So I did Discovery Channel. Then, next thing you know, I get called by NBC. They're like, hey, we like what we saw. Would you like doing this? And now I'm on TV with Terry Crews, a whole lot of other people, stars in Stripes.

• 1:43:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, I remember seeing this.

• 1:43:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:10Danny Jones?

  You're doing something with Chris Kyle?

• 1:43:12Speaker 05

  Chris Kyle, yep. And then from there, I actually spent another couple of years in Hollywood doing different shows and movies and stunts. And then I got to a point where I'm like, hmm, this is not what I like. This is not what I do, you know? It's kind of, it's not me. And so although I was getting paid pretty good money and I was, I was, they were encouraging me to stay out there, is what I say. When I say they, producers and my management team. Like, if you could be here all the time, we could have you on a set every day. And you could possibly be the next Danny Trejo. And I'm like, is that ugly? Well, if he's making a lot of money, I'll be the ugly guy. But so anyways, I just couldn't see living out in California. So I ended up moving to Hong Kong.

• 1:43:57Speaker 05

  And I was part of a detail securing a multi-billionaire investment banker.

• 1:44:02Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:44:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, and so it's kind of cool. So I'm living in Hong Kong, covering down on this guy.

• 1:44:08Danny Jones?

  How'd this guy get ahold of you?

• 1:44:10Speaker 05

  Well, it's through another firm, right? So they actually had the contract, but they actually, it was actually a former Delta guy. One of the original plank holders, right? And, and so I forget how he heard about me or knew I was looking for a job. I can't remember. But anyways, through the network, calls me up, hey, come on over. So I did. So I spent some time over there. I met my wife. She's Indonesian. Over there, she went back to Indonesia.

• 1:44:35Speaker 05

  You know, I ended up falling her back because that's what dudes do, right?

• 1:44:39Danny Jones?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:44:40Speaker 05

  Upended my life now. It actually turned out to be a good story. So I ended up, actually I was going back and forth for a long time, several years. I'd go for three weeks, come back for three weeks, back forth, back forth, back forth. And all I was doing was hanging out with her. And so,

• 1:44:55Speaker 05

  finally, I saw some opportunities in Indonesia, particularly in Jakarta for security, right? There's really hardly any Americans over there. And, so I thought, well, maybe I could, you know, start a security business here. And so I got on Facebook, on a social media site called Tactical Indonesia. Say, hey, guys, it's me, American badass. Here's my book, you know, and introduced myself. They didn't know who I was, didn't matter, but they didn't see the book. So next thing you know, I'm meeting people on the internet, Facebook. And I come back to Jakarta, I'm meeting all kinds of people, some pretty prominent people, including another billionaire. And next thing I know, he wants me to run, build a canine company for him, right? Canine security.

• 1:45:40Speaker 05

  Cause he knew about my background. I've been training canines for like 45 years. And, so really long story short, we did ultimately come together as, you know, as partners. I built the program. In fact, in three months, I had the program already working. I had teams, dogs already working at the Indonesian Stock Exchange.

• 1:46:01Danny Jones?

  What were they like sniffing explosives?

• 1:46:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, explosive patrol dogs, right?

• 1:46:06Danny Jones?

  Hey, how do you train a dog to learn how to detect explosives?

• 1:46:10Speaker 05

  That's another, that's an art, man. It's an art. I'll cover that here in a minute as well. Well, because it's interesting, because it's interesting because it applies to humans. And there's something to be, I think, there's a lot of insight that I think will be valuable for people to know. So long story short, he and I had a falling out. He owes me a lot of money, as far as I'm concerned. And I ended up being the, you know, the, what they call the boule. Boules are white guys, right? So, yeah, yeah. Anyways, so I'm the boule. I don't have a chance. Like, what are you gonna do, right? This guy's like super powerful. So are all his friends, right? And so I ended up. Packing everything up with my wife and actually we had two police trucks show up, load all our shit on it, drove us to Bali within two days.

• 1:46:55Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:46:55Speaker 05

  And within thirty days, I had a home, I had a office, I had my first contract with Marriott Hotels. Within eight months, I had eight Marriott Hotels under my belt, so we were running twenty-four seven, three sixty-five ops.

• 1:47:05Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:47:06Speaker 05

  Pulling security at all their gates with canines. Then I had some of the local venues, which I'm still with them today. So we built a pretty robust canine company over there. And it's been running for over seven years now. In fact, it runs itself. My wife manages it. Cause I told her after we built it, I was like, you know what? You better take this because I'll wreck it. Cause I get bored really fast. I built something and I'll just let it languish, right? And just let it go. I said, you should have this, right? And run it, it's, you know, in case I die or whatever. So I gave her that company, she runs it really well. At one point, we had about eight hundred fifty thousand dollars worth of canines operating. We had sixty-five full-time canine handlers. Doing pretty well.

• 1:47:46Danny Jones?

  What kind of dogs?

• 1:47:47Speaker 05

  Over there, I usually, I use mostly Malinois, Dutch Shepherds, Malinois. And I got a few rots that I use for patrol dogs. Basically, Indonesians are pretty small, right? I'm like a giant over there compared to them and I'm not that big. But you know, on average are pretty small, these security guys. And then we have one particular bar that's, they bring in about five thousand people a night. It's a beach bar. And on New Year's Eve, it's ten thousand, that's capacity, that's all they can have. And so.

• 1:48:16Danny Jones?

  What kind of people? Are they, are they all indigenous? There's a lot of tourists?

• 1:48:19Speaker 05

  No, they're all expats, tourists, right?

• 1:48:20Danny Jones?

  A lot of tourists there, right?

• 1:48:21Speaker 05

  A lot of Australians, Russians.

• 1:48:23Danny Jones?

  A lot of people surf in Bali.

• 1:48:24Speaker 05

  Everybody's there, right? So it's, yeah, it's a mixed bag, but usually it's, the age groups anywhere from eighteen, on average eighteen to forty, you know?

• 1:48:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:48:34Speaker 05

  Unless you're dinosaur like me, but eighteen to forty and two hot ass chicks here, that's all I can tell you.

• 1:48:41Danny Jones?

  I heard.

• 1:48:42Speaker 05

  So we, we got chicks running around in thong bikinis with big boobies and you got all these dudes jacked on testosterone. And you throw alcohol in there, it's gonna be drama, man. Somewhere in the middle of the night in that, one of those swimming pools, there's four in there, something's gonna happen. It does all the time. Lots of drama, right? And so. My dogs are force multipliers because I can give my Indonesian guy a rottweiler. That's almost as big as him and he's got basically a three or four man team now, right? And so he's got the psychological advantage and even my Malinois are same way.

• 1:49:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:10Speaker 05

  So, but the rots kind of serve that purpose, but they are explosive detector dogs, but they don't do really well in the heat and humidity there. It's very hot and humid.

• 1:49:19Speaker 05

  But anyways, um, so that, that business is like I said, is thriving. Um, I do a lot of other consulting work in the security space. In fact, my wife and I own a bar over there, a big yards bar. And actually I just opened up a third company that, um, deals with mining, gold mining, things like that. But, um, so that's kind of what I do there, um, in our business. So in the, in the space of security, um, I farm myself out sometimes. I get phone calls from people and said, Hey, I got a, I got an issue. Can you fix it? Right? I don't, what I don't do is I don't go, I'm not fighting in Ukraine. I'm not fighting for, going to work for Blackwater. I, I'm an independent and so, and I do niche work, um, like a special projects.

• 1:50:04Speaker 05

  For example, now I'll give you, I'll name three and they all happen within a month of each or within two months total. So guy calls me, goes, Hey, my 17 year old daughter, she's in Guatemala. Um, a bunch of men are trying to rape her, kill her, rob her, her girlfriends. They, they thought it was a good idea to go on a school growth trip to Guatemala for whatever, from Switzerland to Guatemala. Right? And now they're in trouble because can you get my daughter out? I said, sure. He goes, or do you know anybody can get her out? I go, if I tell anybody about your daughter, who you're, who you are, who's a multi, multi, he's mega rich dude. He's 45 years old, um, owns a merchant company, merchant marine company.

• 1:50:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:40Speaker 05

  Anyways, I said, you ain't going to get her back for not easy, right? So he goes, so I said, I'll tell you what, I'll go do it. I know the guy, I've worked for him before. I've done stuff for him before. In fact, he used to fly me to Singapore to train his German shepherd.

• 1:50:53Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:50:54Speaker 05

  Right? Yeah. Yeah. What a, what a deal. I'd fly over there for a week, train his dog, hang out, you know, come back another week, train his dog some more. That's how I got to know him and, uh, he's had me do some other stuff for him. But so in this particular case, um, I knew his daughter. I said, listen, man, I'll, I'll go get your daughter, man. And, uh, because I don't trust anybody else at this point. So he paid me a lot of money, um, a lot of money. And so I flew over, so I left on a Monday morning. He called me Sunday night, left Monday morning, like at one o'clock. Flew to the Philippines, ended up in LAX, and by seven o'clock that night with the time change, I'm in Guatemala, in the capital, right, I land, poof. And so, um, she had instructions, so I've already got her on my WhatsApp, right, with him on there and the mom. I said, I need

• 1:51:39Speaker 05

  you to meet me at this location, can you do that? Yes. So she meets me at the airport, but she doesn't have her stuff with her, right? She's coming in from another area.

• 1:51:46Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51:46Speaker 05

  I said, just meet me here. So I took her, we went to a Marriott hotel, I had her, the room's booked, I put her in a room, make sure she had her food and water. I said, now, I said, when I lock this door, you don't leave, you don't come out for nothing. I don't care what it is. Don't leave the room. Yes, sir. So she stayed there and I had to go, I had to catch, um, like an Uber, um, and I had to drive up to these mountains, that's where they were staying. So when they planned this trip, these chicks, right, these high school girls, they thought it was a good idea, let's go to Guatemala, right? And so they pick a, um, what do you call it? Um, a hostel, right? But it's like up in the hills, in the mountainous area, and it's pitch black up there, there's no light, it's bad, it's like really scary shit. And, uh, and the night they checked in, soon as they checked in, dudes were coming

• 1:52:31Speaker 05

  through the windows, trying to kick in the doors and attacking all the girls and stuff, right? And, uh, so I've got to go there to recover her suitcase. So I had the address and everything, and I'm driving up there and I'm like, you gotta be kidding, who thought this was a good idea, right? So finally, I do get, I get to the hotel, if you want to call that, it was a, um, hostel. The guy had her suitcase, I grabbed her suitcase, I dropped, brought her back. And it's probably about four in the morning by the time I got back at this point. And I roused her out of bed, I said, grab your shit, let's go. And I took her to the airport, we caught the next thing smoking within a couple hours, and I delivered her to her mom and dad, uh, in Singapore Thursday morning. So I left Monday night, uh, in Bali Thursday morning, same time zone.

• 1:53:15Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:53:16Speaker 05

  Uh, handed her off, right? So that's the example of some of the work I do. Um, had another, uh-

• 1:53:22Danny Jones?

  No more like, uh, no like surprise kill vanish type stuff?

• 1:53:27Speaker 05

  Not that I could talk about.

• 1:53:30Speaker 05

  Hey, I gotta be careful, man. That's why I won't mention some countries either. Like this next one, I won't mention the country because I may have to go back there.

• 1:53:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:37Speaker 05

  So, had another guy call me.

• 1:53:41Speaker 05

  He was listening to my podcast. So, he's an American and he's, he actually lives in Bali. He's been there for like 20 something years. He's a surfer. Um, really good guy. Never been in the military, so he meets this girl from Vietnam. Gets her pregnant, goes to Vietnam, thinks they're gonna get married and have the kid. And she's got other plans. She's like, no, we're not getting married. Yes, I'm having the kids and that's it. You know, and so anyways, they go through court for all this crap.

• 1:54:10Speaker 05

  Did I say that? Did I mention the country? Yeah.

• 1:54:12Danny Jones?

  No, I don't think you did.

• 1:54:12Speaker 05

  No, I didn't mention the country. Okay, it's a different country. Uh, so anyway, long story short, she wouldn't let him see the kid, so he goes through an agency. Um, that would actually make the arrangements so he could see the kid. He spent a lot of money. No arrangements were made. He goes, hey, man, come on. He goes, oh, you gotta pay more money. He goes, I already paid you money. They're like, oh, you arguing with us? So they actually had his passport flagged at immigration, right? So he couldn't travel. They pulled his visa and he can't work. He can't leave. He can't work. It's called a velvet cage. He's not the only guy I've had in this position. I had another guy in Dubai. Same thing happened to him. And so they're trapped in these, what we call, you know, I don't know, Vietnam would be a velvet cage. Dubai might be, but not, um, Vietnam. But anyways.

• 1:54:53Speaker 05

  So, long story short, he's like, can you get me out? And I said, yeah, I can get you out, uh, but we're gonna have to do some talk and some planning and stuff like that. So, um. Long story short, I got him out. I can't tell you how I did it because, uh, I can't give that secret up. But basically, I didn't, I didn't have to do anything with paperwork. I didn't forge nothing and nothing like that. It was really easy. Just walked, just walked him out.

• 1:55:18Speaker 05

  So actually, I walk, I could have swam him out too. There were two options. I had another guy that, uh, his wife calls me and he gets kidnapped in Saudi Arabia. And she goes, can you find my husband? He's been kidnapped. How long has he been gone? A year? What? A year, right? So something wasn't adding up. Then I find out later, after I'm in country, he's a billionaire. You're telling me this guy's a billionaire, he got kidnapped in Nova, and you're just now telling me? She goes, "Yeah." Then I find out, he's actually in a prison called Damman Prison. Right? And there's a lot of expats in there, by the way. He's not expat, he's actually got dual citizenship, which is British and Saudi. And, um, so while I'm there, I've got a couple of guys with me, and all we need to do is confirm where he's at. We know, we think he's in the prison,

• 1:56:03Speaker 05

  we just need to confirm he's in the prison.

• 1:56:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:05Speaker 05

  Right? And so, but what we can't do as tourists, we can't actually actively do stuff like that, because that would be considered like work, and we'll end up in Damman Prison too, like for a very long time, like a lot of these guys, without ever getting a day in court.

• 1:56:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:18Speaker 05

  And so, so as I started doing my research, I realized, this dude's dad is a minister of oil and energy for Saudi Arabia. He's Forbes' top 50th guy, richest guy in the world.

• 1:56:29Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:56:30Speaker 05

  I said, "How's, how does he not know his kid's rolled up? He's gotta know his kid's rolled up." His kid's like forty something years old, too, right? He's not a kid, he's an older guy. And something wasn't adding up at all, man. I was like, "You know what? We're outta here, man." So, she paid me a lot of money, um, a lot of money, just to go do that. But I think there was something else going on. I don't think, I think what she wanted to do is goes, "Yeah, I tried to find him, I paid people to go find him, and they couldn't find him, so I want a divorce now and half his money." Right? That's probably the play, or all of this money, because he's probably dead, that's what she's gonna say. But those are the kind of jobs I get sometimes, and I actually enjoy those. Um, others are, sometimes companies have problems with, uh, uh, this is actually something that's not just, this actually happens quite a bit.

• 1:57:14Speaker 05

  So, a lot of times, a company will hire somebody, and maybe bring them on the board, right, they're, they're on executive level, um, or in their IT department, or their family member, something like that. And what will happen is, because I've done a couple of these already, this, these, these characters will then build another internet system, an internet system behind the company's internet system, right? So, you don't know it's there, but what they're doing is they're siphoning off clients and money from the host, right, through their company, and they're stealing clients, and they're laundering money. Right? And so, what happens is, if somebody dollars in and goes, "Hey, this company's doing that",

• 1:57:56Speaker 05

  they don't even see the company, the background, it's just basically invisible, right? And these guys just... Tear everything down and we can leave. And this guy's got to prove how he didn't, you know, launder money, whatever he did. Um, I've seen it happen with very large companies and I've also seen it with small family owned companies. Where family feuds and they're doing shit like that to each other, you know, literally stealing the companies from each other. Siphoning money off, blocking everything so they can't get on. Um, I had something similar happen to my first company as well with my business partner.

• 1:58:25Danny Jones?

  So what do they call you in to do for that?

• 1:58:27Speaker 05

  Um, well, one, go in and try to go through the system and find the doors and also, um, try to pin down exactly who's doing it, where they're doing it, how they're doing it, right? So we have that evidence so we can show that, you know, these guys are nefarious actors. It's very difficult in the IT world, but I've got, I've got a team that can do all that. Um, I'm not smart enough to do it by myself. They, they can actually do all that. Um, I've actually tracked down, I have one organization that's still in play that, um, in fact, I'm going to get on another show and talk about this later on, but, uh, I've got one group. Man, I gotta be very careful how I say this. It's a collection of bad guys from around the world.

• 1:59:08Speaker 05

  They're like cats and dogs, all unrelated, but they're working together laundering money, uh, human trafficking. Um, and also literally pumping fentanyl into our borders. Um, lots of it. And it's crazy how they're doing it.

• 1:59:22Danny Jones?

  Multi-national?

• 1:59:23Speaker 05

  Yes. And I've got all their bank accounts. I know all their bank, I know it's all in all their bank accounts. We went, we went to another level on this one. Um,

• 1:59:32Danny Jones?

  How long you been working on this one?

• 1:59:35Speaker 05

  Two years.

• 1:59:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. So I've made some money off of it already, but, uh, not the kind of money I'm looking for. Um, but it's more than that. I want to, I want to bring these assholes down, man, for sure. Uh, they have done some bad shit. They've killed a couple of cops that I know of. Um,

• 1:59:51Danny Jones?

  And what is their, what is their motive? What is their objective? It's just money? Or is there anything else behind it? I mean, multinational? I don't know.

• 1:59:59Speaker 05

  Terrorism. They're tied to terrorist groups. Um, yeah, I gotta be very careful how I say this. They're tied to very bad groups. Um, and these groups are not even related, but they are working together to win in. One of them is drive fentanyl into this country. Um, two, human trafficking. By the way, did you know, did you know that the cartels?

• 2:00:24Speaker 05

  Uh, biggest moneymaker, I guess that's probably the way I should put it, could make it. It's not drugs. You know what it is? Human trafficking. That's actually.

• 2:00:32Danny Jones?

  Really? It's more than drugs?

• 2:00:34Speaker 05

  That's right. That, uh, hu- human trafficking makes them more money than drugs. I, I was just on a show not too long ago, um, and I got a buddy. And I'd be glad to share, you know, turn him on to you, man. He's, it's a great guy to talk to, um. His name's Joey, but, uh, Joey worked for many agencies, organizations, and particularly involved in child trafficking. Okay. He's the guy that had to, when they recovered kids, he's the guy that had to guard the kids, transport the kids, move the kids. Um, a lot of times out of country to a foster, a family. And a lot of times these kids don't go back to their original family because it's the original family, excuse me, that actually sold them.

• 2:01:16Danny Jones?

  Sold them off.

• 2:01:17Speaker 05

  Right? And they end up in this, they end up in this, in a cycle. So what they end up doing is going, let's take them to another country. So, somebody that wants them. Um, and man, you, the stories he's got to tell, like literally a cartel is literally rolling up on them in traffic lights. Four dudes in there, sicarios going, we want that little one. You're going to give her up or else, right?

• 2:01:38Danny Jones?

  Where? Where is this happening?

• 2:01:39Speaker 05

  Everywhere, but he's particularly in Texas.

• 2:01:41Danny Jones?

  In, in the United States?

• 2:01:43Speaker 05

  All of the United States. And I asked him, I said, man, I said, let me ask you something. I said, so it's the cartel's, um, biggest trade right now, above and beyond drugs, is human trafficking. And particularly kids. I said, what about Americans? He goes, yeah, Americans are involved equally doing it, right? And he, dude, he's got so much intel, man. Um, and he's got, he's got hard intel that, uh, he's been sharing, but with, uh, certain people, but. Um, then he was telling me, he says, literally you have, if you can imagine, you know, the nuclear, white, middle-class family. Or wealthy family, right? They're literally, they're literally harboring these kids.

• 2:02:26Speaker 05

  And then pawning him off, farming him off, and they're taking money for it, right? We're gonna pay you a bunch of money if you keep this kid because you're a white, middle-class family, nobody would suspect, you know, you're a child child trafficker, and we'll pay you a bunch of money. That's actually happening, that's actually real.

• 2:02:39Danny Jones?

  Who's the end client here?

• 2:02:41Speaker 05

  Okay, so I asked him the same question, I go, what happens to these kids? Why are people buying these kids? And he actually broke it down, the value of the kids, he said, a little blond-haired girl, about three years old, blond-haired, blue eyes, he goes, yeah, that's, I think he told me that's a hundred thousand dollars right there, that's a hundred thousand bucks. And then, you know.

• 2:02:57Danny Jones?

  To who? Like, who's paying that?

• 2:02:59Speaker 05

  Well, pedophiles are paying for it, politicians, judges, lawyers, cops.

• 2:03:06Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:03:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, a lot of Americans that you think would be better than that are actually doing this shit. Uh, he didn't want to get into particular names.

• 2:03:14Danny Jones?

  This is like some fucking pizza gate shit.

• 2:03:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, and he said it's real, it's very real. Um, and he's, dude, the information he shared with me, I was like, ah, man, this is some crazy shit, man, but he goes, yeah.

• 2:03:24Danny Jones?

  That's some fucking explosive information.

• 2:03:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:03:28Danny Jones?

  That he's got.

• 2:03:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, and he's gonna leverage it. Uh, I don't want to compromise him too much, but, uh, I know he's been there, done that, um, and he's got a lot of experience in it, but.

• 2:03:38Danny Jones?

  I assume he knows how to protect himself and, uh, you know, probably has a dead man switch or something like that.

• 2:03:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, he knows, yeah, he's got his shit covered, man. Um, but, uh, but, you know, by the way, the threat's very real in this country, very real. Um, so I was on Alex Jones a couple of times last November before the election, I was live on his show.

• 2:03:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:03:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I went there and, uh, the reason I was on his show is, and I've already said this out loud, so I don't have a problem saying this again, uh, I kept it quiet for a long time because I'm, I was trying to do something, but, uh, when I say I was trying to do something, trying to protect my family, and, long story short, Department of Justice, FBI was looking for me, uh, exactly a year ago. And, uh, so finally, when they caught up with me, um, they said they had a duty to warn me. And I said, like, what, warn me, what, using improper pronouns, misgender somebody, what did I do wrong? I got no idea what's going on here right now. I go, no, actually, um, they actually have, through credible sources, through the intel sources, they found out that Al Qaeda has put a, I don't think it's called a fatwa,

• 2:04:42Speaker 05

  but basically they put out a worldwide, um...

• 2:04:46Speaker 05

  Worldwide notice to all Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda affiliates and lone wolves. If they come across me, kill me. I'm a priority target for them. They made me a priority target.

• 2:04:54Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:04:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Now you didn't know that? Oh, good.

• 2:04:58Danny Jones?

  That's crazy. The FBI came and told you this?

• 2:05:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:01Danny Jones?

  Just a year ago.

• 2:05:01Speaker 05

  And I have the letter. I actually have a letter, signed letter, everything. So it's official, right?

• 2:05:05Danny Jones?

  So they just mailed? They didn't like come meet you in person?

• 2:05:07Speaker 05

  No, they, well, they looked for me. They couldn't find me, right? You know?

• 2:05:11Danny Jones?

  You're all over the place. You're worldwide.

• 2:05:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. I don't want to be found either, right?

• 2:05:13Danny Jones?

  Right. I'm sure you're good at not being found.

• 2:05:16Speaker 05

  So, um, not exactly, but I do live in three countries. Um, I move around quite a bit, but I have three countries. I have another home in the Philippines.

• 2:05:23Danny Jones?

  And you've been to like over a hundred countries, right?

• 2:05:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:25Danny Jones?

  Like lived and worked and traveled to.

• 2:05:27Speaker 05

  Yeah. Over a hundred, a hundred and one, I think, a hundred or two, something like that now. But, uh, so,

• 2:05:34Speaker 05

  anyways, they were like, you know, hey, you should, you know, here's a warning. Please go take care of yourself, your family, get the hell out of, get off the X, right? And, uh, okay. So I go to the embassy, go, hey, I need to get my wife. So they deported my wife. This is another crazy story.

• 2:05:49Danny Jones?

  Oh, when they told you this, you were in, already in a foreign country?

• 2:05:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:05:53Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:05:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, here's a kicker. Guess where they were looking for me at? They were looking for me here in Panama City Beach.

• 2:05:58Danny Jones?

  Panama City.

• 2:05:59Speaker 05

  Al Qaeda was in Panama City Beach looking for me. So they had the local, they had to alert the entire local law enforcement to step up the patrols around my neighborhood, but they didn't know I wasn't there. I actually have a friend of mine who's a former Green Beret that lives in my neighborhood. He goes, dude, you got, he goes, people snooping around your house and your garage and stuff.

• 2:06:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, Jesus, bro.

• 2:06:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. And so, so they, they're here. That's my point is what I'm trying to say.

• 2:06:22Danny Jones?

  Have you ever heard of that happening to anyone else that you know?

• 2:06:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:06:25Danny Jones?

  Where Al Qaeda's tried to ambush them in the U.S.?

• 2:06:27Speaker 05

  That's actually happening. Has, there's actually been a couple of incidents. Um, recently a guy, not recent, about a year ago, a dude up in North Carolina shot a guy, um, surveil him. They find out, found out he was a ISIS affiliate, I believe. So don't know why he targeted this particular, this, I think he was a colonel. So here's the, here's the irony. It's like, so now the U.S. government, and I'm gonna say it out loud, um, would not help me. They will not, they won't get, my wife got deported during COVID. She's here legally on a five-year limited visa. She got hit by a police car at 90 miles an hour one night, right? Sitting still, hospitalized. Then they found out she had cancer. So now she's going to cancer treatment. We couldn't go back to Indonesia because of the travel ban going back. So we're stuck here in the U.S.

• 2:07:11Speaker 05

  Well, we exceeded what we didn't know was there was a six month limit to stay on a five year unlimited visa. We didn't know that. I honestly didn't know that, right? So with COVID, I thought, you know, not a big deal. Well, it turns out it was a big deal. So we leave after she gets her treatment, cancer's done, we go back to Indonesia, come back. Six weeks later, we get rolled into secondary in LAX, and I was going on here, and they separate us, and I go, what's going on? And they go, your wife's a visa overstayed. I go, that's bullshit. You know, and I, what are you guys talking about, right? And they wouldn't let me talk to her. So from that point on, I didn't get to talk to her, communicate or text with her or nothing. Just cut me, completely cut me off. They say, go wait down in baggage claim, two hours, we'll get back to you, tell you what we're gonna do, right? We have to interview her. And the first question they asked her was, is your husband

• 2:07:55Speaker 05

  Dale Comstock? She goes, yeah. Guy got on the phone, he goes, yeah, it's him. Shit show started, right? So yeah, it was a shit show. I, I don't, we don't have time for me to talk about all the details, but it was pretty bad what happened, what they did to my wife. My wife is 88 pounds, right? 4'9", 5 foot, max. And the shit they did to her down there, fucking ghetto rats and these people, they just treated her like shit, man, like she was a terrorist, right? And, and, and never came out and told me what was going on. I sat down there for 24 hours on my suitcase, like, you know, puppy waiting for his master, no food, no water. I was afraid to leave, like, what's going on? No one to talk to, no one to call, no points of contact, no reference, right? It was crazy. I ended up

• 2:08:37Speaker 05

  calling Congressman Dunn's office, called Marco Rubio's office, called quite a few peoples, people. Started engaging them. Long story short, without my knowledge, they deported my wife. She had no money, no credit cards, no clothes, no phone charger, she had nothing. They literally two freaking, two fucking guerrillas in the goddamn, you know, CBP uniforms escorted her to the terminal in front of everybody, loaded her last in front of everybody, and just humiliated the shit out of her, right? And then what they did, they falsified, they did the interview, and they actually falsified her answers. They turned all her negative answers to affirmative, right? Because they asked her at the beginning, uh, just, you know, um, I'm gonna ask you some questions, you know, just, you know, say yes. She goes, well, what if it's no, right?

• 2:09:20Speaker 05

  Just answer yes, that way we get you out of here, right? But she wasn't buying that, right? So they asked her, did she know she was in overstate? And she's like, no, and they changed that to, they changed five questions, yes, is what I'm trying to say here. So they actually forged your documents. So I've been going through a nut roll, trying to get, engaging lawyers, people that I know in politics to, to confront this thing head on. And you would think, and my wife is already approved for a green card on top of that. It's like, you know, it's, it's not her, it's me, is what it comes down to. I already know that, it's me, I got, I'm on many lists, let me put it that way, at least four that I know of. So, yeah, we, we mentioned Al Qaeda, I'm on their list, and I'm also on some American list, so.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  American lists?

• 2:10:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, they're, they're, yeah, let's, well, I'll say, I don't want to say too much on here because, yeah, I want to be able to go back home.

• 2:10:11Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:10:12Speaker 05

  Uh, without, listen, I'm not gonna commit suicide, I will not commit suicide, uh, like life. So anywho, um, yeah, so there is a threat in this country where I was starting with. They're real, they're here, they've been here, um, they were let across the border, and there's quite a few here. The cartels are here, we know the MS-19, they're, they're all here. Al Qaeda is here, ISIS is here, there's ourselves here in our country, the war is within our border now. Um, and, you know, the left has let them in, the Democrats have let them in, um, and over the last four years, probably to the tune of about thirty million of these, not thirty million terrorists, but thirty million people.

• 2:10:47Speaker 05

  So, yeah, so, so you're, going back to your initial question about Yemen or Yemen?

• 2:10:54Danny Jones?

  Yemen.

• 2:10:57Speaker 05

  How did I get involved in that? So, um, so I've been doing all these off jobs, I've been doing bodyguard work. Uh, I do a lot of different things, man, I'm, I'm multitasking, but finally, they called me one day.

• 2:11:08Danny Jones?

  They, they?

• 2:11:09Speaker 05

  Spear Operations Group.

• 2:11:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay, got it.

• 2:11:11Speaker 05

  So these are guys I was working for in, uh, Hong Kong as a bodyguard. Um, I've been to Mexico with them, and to South Africa with them, and then, um, they're, they call, actually, the, the owner, his name's Abraham, calls me up, says, hey, I need to speak to you, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was in, I was in Indonesia at the time, long story short. He had formed a strike team to basically he won a contract with United Air Emirates, right, to provide a special operations capability, small unit, they can go in and surgically take out heads of terror groups, things like that. You kind of mentioned that earlier about going out, you know, taking out heads of state. That's exactly what we're tasked to do. Right, right.

• 2:11:52Speaker 05

  So, it's a lot of money, a ton of money, and he asked me to be a part of it. He wanted me to run the whole program because of my background, my skills and stuff like that. I was sitting on the fence at first, and I remember when I got back to the States from Bali, he calls me again, said, I really need to talk to you, but I can't talk to you over the phone. I go, ah, you know, I didn't know what the project was. I just know it's security related. I'm like, I'm already doing my own stuff. He's like, I don't know. You know, I'm coming on him and he goes, I tell you what, he goes, I can't talk to you over the phone. He goes, I'm gonna buy you a plane ticket, fly you to San Diego, I'm gonna give you $6,000 for three hours of your time. Done. It must be important. So sure enough, I fly out there, he meets me, takes me off in his Porsche, and tells

• 2:12:34Speaker 05

  me what the project is that night. I'm still sitting on the fence, because they're leaving in like three, four, four days, right? And it's like, I said, man, I gotta go back to Indonesia, say goodbye to my, you know, at the time, my girlfriend, this, that, and that. I said, I'm not, I said, how about you guys go and I catch up with you later? He goes, no, not on the first one, I can't have you after that. Didn't make any sense to me. So I'm still kind of thinking, thinking, he pulls out $40,000 cash, he throws it on the desk, he goes, that's yours right now, if you sign it, just do, just do this. Okay, put it in my pocket, right? And so, yeah, dude, I made a lot of money. I won't tell, I'm not gonna disclose it here, because I got ex-wives, they'll try to sue me. But

• 2:13:14Speaker 05

  after listening. But anyways, so I said, okay, I'll tell you what. I said, I'm gonna fly back to Indonesia, say goodbye to my girlfriend, grab a couple of things, I'll meet you guys in New York, and then, you know, we'll assemble there. So I didn't know who the rest of the team was. I just knew who AG was, Abraham, and his number two guy, guy named Isaac, turned out to be a turd. But so I fly home, tell my wife, hey, I'm gonna go to the Middle East, go train some soldiers, you know, how to march and stuff like that, you know, it's just regular stuff, I'll be right back. And so I lied to her. And I fly to New York. I forget what night it was. Anyways, I arrive at in the evening. I go to the hotel. I'm sitting down the lobby. I have to be up in a hotel room around 10 o'clock that night, certain room.

• 2:13:55Speaker 05

  And I look around and notice there's some dudes walking around, kinda had this special force of swagger to them. You can just tell army guys, especially I spec ops guys, you know? And they were French. Hmm, interesting. That night, I go up to the room at 10 o'clock and everybody's there. All these French guys and there's total 11 of us, French foreign legionnaires. One, two SEALs, Abraham, me, and Moroccan couple of like that. Anyways, total 11. And he tells us what the mission is. I already know what it is. He tells them what the mission is because they didn't know. He's like, look, gentlemen, he goes, um, this is the mission. He goes, I understand if you don't want to be a part of it, if you don't want to be a part of it, you're free to leave. You can take the 20,000 dollars that I gave you and keep it, no problem.

• 2:14:34Speaker 05

  Damn. So they all stayed on board. He goes, okay. Well, next thing is that guy right there, he's pointing at me, he goes, that guy's in charge of everything. Whatever he tells you, that's what you're doing. He runs the show. And so I was already aware of that, basically. And so the next night, we had to meet at Teterboro, the private airport, right? Business airport. And the funny part was Abraham was like, okay, I need you guys to show up in your tactical uniforms, your fatigues, whatever you're gonna be wearing downrange. Right? Which, by the way, we really didn't have, he told us not to bring anything because it all would be provided, but all of us did bring our own fatigues because we like wearing our own shit, right? So, um, so I had to make those sense. Why would we wear tactical uniforms to a business airport? Dude's sitting around in suits and we walk in looking like a bunch of knuckle draggers, right?

• 2:15:20Speaker 05

  And we look pretty rough. I mean, we look pretty, we have some big dudes and shit was pretty ragged, you know, and, and just had that presence about us. So, but I didn't question it because Abraham's pretty, he's pretty smart, man. This guy knows his shit. And I was like, he's got a good reason. So I'm gonna go with it. So we do, we go to the airport. Find out later, I figured out why. He knew we were already being watched. We're already being surveilled, probably by the FBI, probably NSA, probably CIA, probably a lot of people watching us, right? He already knew that.

• 2:15:47Danny Jones?

  What country are you in?

• 2:15:48Speaker 05

  In America.

• 2:15:48Danny Jones?

  Oh, you're in America still.

• 2:15:50Speaker 05

  And so, uh, New York. But he knew that and he knew that they would know. And so rather than trying to be like, trying to be, like, trying to be discreet, you know? And obviously, probably one of the reasons they would look to see is if we're transporting weapons, right? That would be a big problem if they knew. So we didn't have any weapons. We just brought water, food, things like that, uniforms, just equipment, but no, no, nothing, uh. Forbidden to take abroad. So we load up, we take off in a private jet and we stop in, I think Hungary, do a refuel restop, ended up flying. So the pilots didn't know where we're going. First they just thought we're flying to Dubai. And then en route to United Emirates,

• 2:16:31Speaker 05

  I remember knocked on the pilot's cabin door, said, hey, guys, listen, uh, new instructions. See these geo coordinates? That's where you're landing. And they're like, huh? And they look at it and it's just, it's just a desert, right? It's just a desert, just dirt. But that's where you're landing. This Gulf Stream. Just do it. And so they didn't want to quit. They're like, yes, sir, whatever you guys want, just don't kill us, right? And so, and so we do, we land in the middle of the night, um, out in this undisclosed, it's not even on the map, this airfield, right? And it's not even airfield, it's just a kind of a quasi dirt strip. When we land, there's a C-130 sitting there. It's about eight o'clock at night, something like that, I can't remember. But it's dark, engines are running, ramp is down. There's one dude

• 2:17:12Speaker 05

  standing on the tailgate. Turns out he was a Colonel, his name was Mohammed, Colonel Mohammed, and he was an intel officer for the Emiratis. And he's standing with a clipboard. And so we land, engines off, and instructions, we'll grab your shit, get off and transload into that C-130. So we do, grab our stuff, run over there. He checks the list, check, check, check, check, everybody get on, fly off for another four hours. We end up in, uh, landing at Djibouti about, uh, 2:00 AM that morning, something like, no, about midnight, something like that, right? So we land in Djibouti, there's literally a CH-47 and two Apache helicopters sitting there, engines running, waiting for us. So we transload into tailgate of the CH-47,

• 2:17:52Speaker 05

  take off again, fly another hour into Aden, and we land at an Emirati, uh, FOB, right, off in the, way off in the corner somewhere. They actually built another contolment area in the back of the FOB, so we're out of sight, out of mind. Land the helicopters there, we dismounted. And then, uh, so I'm the guy in charge, I look at the Colonel, I go, hey, sir, I said, where's our weapons, equipment? Uh, what can we expect? He goes, they're on the way right now. I said, okay. And they had some tents set up for us, Hescos and stuff like that. So we go over there, download our own personal shit, trucks show up, start downloading all the firearms. And so we're supposed to have brand new US grade stuff, right? That's what, that's part of the contract, big ass contract, right? It was very, they were, it

• 2:18:34Speaker 05

  was all laid out. We want all the cool stuff with bells and whistles, right? And Guy drops the tailgate and there's pieces and parts of AK-47s, Dishka 51 caliber Russian shit. It's like, what? I said, what is this, right? Just pieces apart. They're missus like the, like the heavy barrel machine guns. Didn't have a tripod. Like, how the hell you shoot that, right? And it's like, you know, the AK-47s, no magazines, the PKM machine guns, no, no link belt for the ammunition. And I'm doing the inventories, we're compartment, you know, stop on everything. And I realized we, there's nothing we can do with this stuff, right? And so I walk up to the Colonel and I said, hey Colonel, I said, uh, this is not gonna work. We don't have enough stuff here.

• 2:19:17Speaker 05

  And see, what I didn't realize was, he despised the fact that we were there in his country to do, on his behalf of his military, what they couldn't do for themselves, right? And, and they got, you know, Americans, the white guys, the French, you know? Uh, well, we did have some Arabs too, right? Some are Moroccan, so they should have appeased them, but it didn't. So, um, probably thought you was a sellout. So, um, so when I told him that, I said, we don't have all the, you know, this is not enough. We need more stuff. So what you're telling me is you cannot do the mission? I said, I didn't say that. I said, I could take that PKM machine gun over there and beat the shit out of somebody with it. But if I have to, but you know, they say we couldn't do the mission, it'd just be a lot easier if I could shoot somebody rather than beat them with a machine gun, right?

• 2:19:58Speaker 05

  And, uh, so I know he was gonna go with this. He was gonna go back to the Minister of Defense, who was actually the client, right? Uh, the, uh, for Abu Dhabi and the MoD and tell him, no, they can't do it, you know? That's what he wanted to do, but it didn't work out. So, um, so I kinda put some pressure on him. And he's like, okay, he goes, give me a list of stuff you need. I go, here it is, already done. And he brought me some of the stuff, enough to get the job done. But, uh, so then, um, so we get settled in, you know, it's pretty austere. I mean, literally for breakfast and lunch, we were eating fish, eggs and rice. I mean, fish heads and rice. Um, fish eggs probably would have been a better choice, but no, it was just- Fish heads? That's fish heads and rice. That's all we got. Fish heads and rice.

• 2:20:41Speaker 05

  I know what they did, man. They were, the guys, the boys over there in the chow hall, the MRIs were getting all the good shit. They're like, hey, we gotta go feed the gringos, you know? Yeah, fuck it. Everybody give me your leftovers off your plate, you know, fish heads, fish- Oh my- I'm pretty sure that's what it was going on there. Brutal. Yeah, it was, yeah, some crappy food, man. We weren't there for the fine dining, that's for sure. Um, dusty desert conditions, flies everywhere, really austere. But you know what? We're there to do a job, you know, and, and we're soldiers, so. So now we have the issue of, well, okay, target list. So the target list is, has forty-two characters on it, right? And three countries. So we're not just here, we're gonna go other places and, and take care of some people, right? So, um, so the first guy on the list,

• 2:21:25Speaker 05

  um, and I'll say this because this was on a BBC documentary not too long ago, um, they lied, by the way, too. I just say that right now. They're full of shit. But I had to get on there to do something to keep us all out of trouble because the SEAL that was involved in this thing would have gotten us in trouble. He's an idiot. So anyways, long story short, um, the first guy on the list was a guy named Ansaaf Mayu, and he was the head of the Al Islah Political Party. So the Al Islah Political Party is an extension of the Muslim Brotherhood, okay? They're bad guys. And Muslim Brotherhood was building barracks for Al Qaeda in Yemen. And so they have what's called ACAP, Al Qaeda Arabic Peninsula, AQAP. There's a lot of them. They were on every street corner. Like, I was this far away from them sometimes. They'd be like, looking in the window, trying to see in, and I'm looking at them with my weapon, like, getting ready to let the air out, right?

• 2:22:09Speaker 05

  That's how close they were. And that's how many there were. Um, and the Muslim Brotherhood was building them barracks to house them. So you also had, uh, well, you had the Houthis, you had, uh, you had the Muslim Brotherhood, you had Al Qaeda, you had, uh, you also had elements from ISIS there as well. Um, in fact, so we're looking at the list, number one guy's this guy Ansaaf Mayu, and, uh, and as I go down the list, number seven, I forget his name now off the top of my head, but he was the coal, um, the USS Cole bombing, uh, mastermind. He's the guy that blew up the coal bomb, set that all up, right? And he's there in Yemen. Like, what the hell? And he's got a house on a, on a four-way intersection across the street, he's got a madrassa. And he's walking around freely,

• 2:22:49Speaker 05

  no problem. And what he's doing, he's literally running, um, ISIS fighters, he's running through a pipeline through his madrassa, and then sending them to, uh, uh, to Syria. So like, oh, no, no, no, this, this gotta be the number one guy. We gotta take this guy first, right? And then we brought it up to the MOD, he goes, no, he goes, this is my list, it's my country, and this is the target number one, and he's number seven. That, I'm paying the bills. Okay. So, um, so the first guy we go after, finally, um, we had all kinds of options on the table to take him out, right? So, um,

• 2:23:25Danny Jones?

  What's the best option?

• 2:23:26Speaker 05

  Well,

• 2:23:27Danny Jones?

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• 2:23:59Speaker 05

  Just walk up and shoot him, right? That would have been the preferred option, but that wasn't easy because this guy was very,

• 2:24:05Speaker 05

  he was really good at tradecraft. He had been trained, right? So he was really good at not sleeping in the same place twice. He was good at watching his back. He traveled security detail. He was taking security measures all the time.

• 2:24:16Danny Jones?

  Are you guys really worried about covering your tracks and not being detected by anyone else?

• 2:24:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:24:20Danny Jones?

  Or not? You guys don't want this? This should not be like a public thing, right? This should be like super covert and...

• 2:24:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely, because we're the only white faces in the country.

• 2:24:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:30Speaker 05

  You know, and so they would have for sure dialed in on us, man. Let me put it, let me explain how, what it looked like there at the time. So you got all these different groups. So if we left the gate wire, we would actually get inside of an MRAP and cover up, right? We'd all hodged it up and stuff, right? Try to blend in. And in the Al Qaeda, nobody messed with the Emiratis. There was like this unspoken truth. You don't mess with us, we don't mess with you. And that stemmed from a VBID that went off in the front gate and killed about 40 Emirati soldiers. When that happened, the Emiratis were like, okay, we don't, you know, we'll be here, but we're not, you know, we're not playing this game. We're not risking more lives. So they're just, they're kind of like showing off, right?

• 2:25:09Speaker 05

  And so, basically, in fact, at the airport, so the Emirati military occupied the airport, but guess who controlled the gates going in? Al Qaeda. Like, how's that work? Right? And so they controlled the gates going in and out. And that's how we would travel in there is we'd be in the back of the MRAP, all hodged it up, and like, hey, hey, come on in. You know, it was that kind of a situation. It was kind of weird, right? But the thing was, you could drive down any road at any time. And about every kilometer, there would be another checkpoint. Now, it's either gonna be the Yemeni's resistance, it's gonna be the Houthis, it's gonna be Al Qaeda, um, or maybe an ISIS factions there. But there's always gonna be, uh, somebody else is owning a different checkpoints along the way. Yeah. And usually they didn't harass, they didn't harass the Emirati military.

• 2:25:53Speaker 05

  So we'd get around, get away with driving around the back of the trucks. But if we had left the gates in our own vehicles and they saw, and in fact, they saw us one time, um, inside of MRAB, I, I knew the guy picked up, I was like, what? And he could see the white little, white little faces. Yeah, and you could see him running and spinning up and getting on the radios and, you know, trying to call us like, oh shit, get the hell out of here. But, um, yeah, for sure, for sure, man, we'd, they'd, they'd have killed us if they caught us. Um, that was a very dangerous place, very dangerous place. Um, so, but that's kind of the situation with the, the enemy situation, if you will. Mm-hmm. Um, it was just, just, uh, the country's just, just decimated, man. I mean, it's just like totally just destroyed. Um, and so we're like, okay, well, we need to find this guy on South Myu.

• 2:26:38Speaker 05

  How do we find him? And, uh, so we were able to get some, uh, we were able to get one of their sources, human sources, right? To come in and tell us what they know and actually work for us. We're like, look, if you can help us find this guy, we think his office is over here, but he travels around a lot. He's got a, a motorcade, just pickup trucks and stuff, you know, with guns on it. Uh, if you can locate this guy for us, let us know, we're gonna pay you lots of money, right? Here's a little bit of money now just to show you we're, we're serious, right? So he turned out to be a good source. Um, so we had all these plans, these contingencies planned because we thought one day he's gonna leave and go to the airport. Now, Aiden, there's only one flight that leaves the airport per day, one airplane, in and out. That's it, right? So we had intel, he's gonna fly out and we're like, well, what day? We're not sure, but next couple of days.

• 2:27:23Speaker 05

  So we actually, we did a reconnaissance, uh, of the airport roads, the front gate where the Al Qaeda was, and we made the decision, we're gonna kill him right here in front of the gate, right? Get some Al Qaeda while we're at it, but it just seemed like the field was perfect for shooting. We could set up and cover, concealment, et cetera. So we kind of planned that one, um. And then we're going to do another one. We're going to interdict him on a desert road. Then we're actually going to get him on a motorcycle. So what I was going to do is ride up alongside him in a motorcycle against this vehicle, hodgy it out, right? And then we're going to hang a VBID from his mirror and then uh.

• 2:27:57Danny Jones?

  What's a VBID?

• 2:27:58Speaker 05

  Oh, vehicle worn improvised device. Basically, it wasn't a VBID so much. It was just an IED. What I did is I built a charge, very big charge, you know, ammo can. I call it the mother of all clamors. But um, it was well over seven pounds of explosives and um, I put fragmentation, all kinds of stuff. And I designed it so I could actually hang it off his mirror and just drive away. And he couldn't get off the mirror, right? His driver wouldn't be able to get off. And you know, it was too heavy and with the wiring, by the time he got on, figured out, he's blown up, right? So that was a mission. Um, so I had that one set up and um, we had about five or six contingencies to include flying into one of the neighborhoods the Muslim Brotherhood built with Al Qaeda. We thought he was going to be staying there one night. And so we were actually going to fly in there, do a roof assault, come down and go get him.

• 2:28:43Speaker 05

  But then we'd have to fight our way out of the city, out of that neighborhood.

• 2:28:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:46Speaker 05

  Ultimately, what finally happened was um, we got a, we got intel hit one night about nine, nine thirty. Hey, he's in his office downtown Aiden, right here at this location right now. He went in with his bodyguards and his assistant. They're inside there to just close the door. Holy shit. So we put the uh, ISR bird up, which is a drone helicopter and it's flying, it's filming. Um, the source, the human source, he's watching, he's got eyes on from across the street. And he's giving us updates. Go, yeah, they're still in, they're still in there, they're still in there. Shown's confirming it. They had, haven't left. So what happened was we had um, we had made the decision that we would go in with one vehicle is a Toyota Land Cruiser, level seven armor, brand new.

• 2:29:30Speaker 05

  They had a bunch of them sitting in the, out in the field. They're like, hey, take whatever you want, use whatever. That's the immorality of it. Just whatever you want, use it, right? Cause they're going to give it to the M and E's. Uh, anyways, if they win. So um, so we had an up armored Land Cruiser. And what we're gonna do, four of us, me, Abraham, and two SEALs, one SEAL in the back with the mag 58, machine gun, and then the other SEAL is sitting next to me, on the starboard side of the car, Abraham riding shotgun, and then we had a driver who was an Emirati Major. Now, there was supposed to be no Emiratis involved in this, right? Because the Emiratis don't want any attribution to them, right? That's a little problematic for us, because then it looks like just a bunch of gringos coming in here, shooting the place up, right?

• 2:30:12Speaker 05

  So, we figured it out. So, we told this guy, I said, "Listen, you're not allowed to have a gun, because, you know, then that looks like you're fighting, right? So, I said, "You can drive if you want to come along and watch the show, but you can't have a gun." You go with that? Yeah, I'm good with that. He's the first guy to get shot, the only guy to get shot. Oh, no! Without the gun, right? So, but he lived. So, anyways, we drive in, long story short, we drive in, very slow, very dark, there's video of it on the internet, from the ISR bird, and we deploy, as soon as we deploy, gunfire starts, and first guy shot, like I said, was our driver, and I end up running across the street to the office. I tried to go in, tried to open the doors, I was gonna frag it with some hand grenades,

• 2:30:57Speaker 05

  and then just go and start shooting, and then place the, I had, basically it was an IED is what it was, and I was just gonna place it in the office with our dear friend, and then just vaporize the place, but they had locked it from the inside, so I couldn't get in, right? So, at this point, things are picking up on the street, it's getting really loud and noisy, and all I can imagine was the bodyguards were standing behind the door going, "What the hell is going on out there?", right? But they didn't want to open the door. Right. And unfortunately for them, you know, they're standing behind the door, then I'm about to blow up. And I couldn't open it, so I put the charge in the door with the blast directional facing straight into the office, and my goal was to basically take him out with this particular, I call it mother, the mother of all claymores, right?

• 2:31:41Speaker 05

  So I pulled the firing system and I was supposed to go back to my vehicle, the Land Cruiser. I had rigged it already for, um, I'd put explosives, uh, basically I put an incendiary device in the back of it. What I wanted to do is blow the car up because we're not taking out, we're gonna leave it, right? Oh, okay. I don't want to leave it intact, so I'm gonna destroy it. So I rigged it with explosives, gasoline, some other stuff and, um, put it over the gas tank and I was supposed to go back and detonate it, but I couldn't get back. At this point, the fire, the bullets were just zinging by me and I mean, I'm in somebody's sights. And so I had a contingency plan, one of the SEALs that was with me, he was a good dude, um, not like the other guy. And, uh, I told him, if I don't come back when it's time to exfil, you have to pull that, the firing system, right?

• 2:32:26Speaker 05

  You pull the firing system, get in the MRAP behind you. So that's exactly how it played out. I ended up running north, he pulls a fuselage, jumps in the MRAP. By the time he gets the MRAP, the, the main charge went off. It just like a nuclear weapon, man, just leveled everything. And then 10 seconds after that one, the charge in the car went off and it burned that car to the ground. I mean, like smoldering, nothing left of it, man. Yeah, I got actual, I got real color pictures of it and it was just a huge bonfire. Um, but it actually worked out pretty good because in the reports, you know, so now they're, you know, the newsies are coming, they go, what happened, what happened? And believe it or not, they actually thought we were Taliban. Because one of the guys, Abraham, looked like, he had this big beard and this thing going on his head. He just looked like a Taliban fighter and that, they saw this Taliban dude running up there

• 2:33:10Speaker 05

  and then they thought it was a car bomb that went off. They didn't realize there's actually two bombs that went off. Um, so they go, yeah, car bomb went off and they didn't know what happened, right? Which is good. Um, and then also in the next morning, uh, the assistant to the target, um, he's all wrapped up, his arms are all wrapped up in bandages and stuff. And he's standing on the stage, you know, talking to, you know, doing a, uh, you know, a little news conference, telling them, ha, ha, ha, they didn't get him, you know, but I got him. And, uh, we weren't sure if we got him or not, right? We thought, I thought for sure I got him. If he's in there, he's dead, right? And, uh, but this guy's actually standing out here, he's not. Turns out he did actually get away. Um, he actually had left before we showed up. And this is where we're not going, we're not understanding, we didn't see him the bird.

• 2:33:54Speaker 05

  Hummer didn't say he left, what's going on here? Um, but he did get away, he made it to Saudi Arabia. Um, and interesting thing about that was the Saudis wanted his ass. They didn't like him either, so why is he hiding in Saudi Arabia? So that makes me wonder too, what's going on there? Um, so. So all that went down, right? So we get off the X and we report back to the MOD up in Abu Dhabi. So it was me, Abraham, one of the SEALs, I think the three of us, maybe four. And we're gonna go to the Officers Club, meet with him and all his cronies and

• 2:34:26Speaker 05

  again, this is, this is already public domain. So, um, his name was Mohammed Dahlin. Mohammed Dahlin has got a very interesting background. He was, he used to be a Palestinian, well, he probably still is Palestinian. He was a PLO fighter as a kid. Um, and, uh, long story short, he was at one point financed by the CIA. But then the CIA, yeah, this guy is, you know, going a little rogue, so they cut him off. Um, he's been implicated in the assassination of, uh, Anwar Sadat. Um, quite a few people, he's been implicated in that. Um, he got, finally got arrested by the Israelis. He spent 10 years in Israeli jail, so he speaks like perfect Hebrew, uh, but he's Arab. Now, what's interesting about this guy, he's like really cool Arab, right?

• 2:35:09Speaker 05

  I mean, I say cool in that he doesn't look like an Arab. I mean, he's all Gucci'd out, you know, and he's just laid back, just a nice guy, man. He's drinking alcohol, having fun, you know, and, and I'm looking at him and Abraham, these two guys were arch enemies at one time. Literally are taking on each other's bodyguards because Abraham, I forgot to tell you this part of the story. Um, he's actually a Hungarian Jew, but was in the Israeli, um, intel service, right? And he was part of their TAP program, Target Assassination Program. So he's done to Mohammed's guys, Mohammed's done to his guys, you know, there's a little feud going on. But finally, now all of a sudden, these guys, you would never know they were arch enemies because they're laughing and giggling and ho ho and drinking and talking about going downrange and, and killing basically more Muslims. Like, what the fuck is going on here, right?

• 2:35:54Speaker 05

  So I'm sitting there eating my lobster shit going, is this like, is this really happening? And I remember thinking to myself at the dinner table, I said, man, you know, we're living a lie. We're all living a lie, man, because at the end of the day, man, it's not just this incident, but in this particular, I'm going, how's this work out? You got a, you got a Jewish Israeli dude over here that's been trying to kill his guy. This guy's trying to kill this guy. Um, they're in opposite camps, but now we're in the same camp and we're gonna focus on The Arabs' objectives of killing more Arabs, you know, because they're in his way and they're causing problems and they're terrorists and he's gonna pay us money to do all that. It just, it was like really a weird, strange situation. I said, you know, at the end of the day, um, and I'm gonna be a little crass here. Can I cuss on this phone? Of course.

• 2:36:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay, I won't. Sometimes I gotta watch my language. Um, so I have a theory, right? Yeah. When it comes to combat and war, since the dawn of time, as far as we know, there's been over 12,000 wars, 12,000, right? And, um, and when you really look at, why do we fight? Why do men fight? All right? We fight for three reasons, I believe. One, power, right? Two, for money. And those are interchangeable. You got money, you got power, you got power, you got money. What's the third thing you think? I'll tell you what it is. I'll just be crass. It's pussy. Procreation, right? Yeah. At the end of the day, it really is. What's the, what's the point of having all this wealth and shit, all this Gucci stuff, and you got no chicks to share it with, right? Yeah. And so, you know, uh, you're a loser, right? So I, I believe that's, that's the

• 2:37:20Speaker 05

  motivation. Um, and so I'm looking at these guys going, yeah, it's about money, power, you know, probably pussy as well. There's a lot of that going on. Um, but when I, you know, looking back at that whole scenario, it's like, that's just, suddenly two arch-inimies are really good friends and they're working on a business deal worth a lot of money to take out bad guys, which I don't have a problem with that. Um, so we're sitting there chatting, uh, we already give, he had already kind of gotten, the MOD had already gotten a brief back of the operation and then he got it, you know, from our mouths, particularly mine. And, um, and so it turns out the first mission we did, that first one was nothing more than

• 2:38:00Speaker 05

  a vetting mission. I didn't know that, right? So if I remember correctly, the, the entire con, the project was worth 880 million dollars, right? This first project, they gave, he gave Abraham, I believe, 800,000 or a million dollars, right? We get the G5 jets, all the shit we needed to get the first team in on the ground to execute, right? So if we could prove we could do the first one, then we get all the other ones. And so then I think back to that day, I was sitting in the office with Abraham and I was like, hey, why don't you guys go first and I'll come in on the next one. And he said, I don't have any first one, I need you on the second one. And then I realized, yeah, if they would have boned this first operation, they would have got the contract. So he, in a way, he felt like he needed me to make sure this thing gets done.

• 2:38:44Speaker 05

  So I made total sense there. So now he's got the whole contract. Perfect. Well, we all do. And so we all took a break, said, okay, let's go ahead and, you know, go home for a minute, you know, and regroup and then come back and continue, continue the operation. So we did. And we ended up, we ended up shedding a few guys, they just weren't up to speed, and replacing them with a couple of other guys, some Green Berets, who else? Yeah, Green Berets, another SEAL. And actually, one of the SEALs is pretty famous as well now. His name was, what was his name? Ah, shit, I'm having a brain fart. Danny? I think his name was Dan? Dan? Dan, what was Dan's last name? Famous guy?

• 2:39:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's pretty, yeah, he's, yeah, when he showed up, everybody was like, that guy, right? So anyways, but he ended up going to Serbia and getting arrested. He spent a couple of years in jail. He was like in real trouble until his lawyer got killed on the courthouse steps and then he got released. But anyways, we started running ops, we ran a few other ones. But what was interesting is I remember one time when we went back on the second iteration, we kept staying in the same hotel and we were on a little bit of a delay for some reason. And then one morning, one of the SEALs called, comes to my room, he goes, hey, man, I just got a weird phone call. I go, from who? He goes, well, a friend of mine who works up in Langley. And he's up there. And I go, yeah, and what'd he say?

• 2:40:12Speaker 05

  He goes, well, he goes, he called, he goes, hey, man, how's it going? He goes, how do you like the Softail Hotel? And he's like, good.

• 2:40:21Speaker 05

  How did you know I'm in the Softail Hotel? He goes, well, because you're in Abu Dhabi and you got Dale Comstock in the room next door. He's just laying it all out there like he knows everything. This guy's going, what the hell, right? So he goes, what, what, what are we going with this? He goes, don't worry, man. He goes, we had a big conference this morning, a meeting about your activities and you're good to go. Just don't take out any of our, you know, any of our targets that we're trying to turn. And he's like, well, what, what, what target? Click. And that was it, right? So basically that was the order, like, hey, you're good to go. Just don't take out any guys that we're trying to turn, right? Because they're still working on trying to turn people over, right? Case off, uh, basically converting.

• 2:41:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:41:01Speaker 05

  So I looked at, I said, well, I guess we'll know we got the wrong target when we get a hellfire up our ass. But, uh, you know, it is what it is. Um, but anyways, so it is quite an experience. Ultimately, I ended up, uh, I couldn't. So Abraham had to leave on other business. Um, he left his second, his partner, the SEAL in charge. Um, and I couldn't work with the guy. He was just, uh, turns out there was a lot of derog on the guy, derogatory information that I didn't know. Nobody knew until this other SEAL showed up, showed up. He shared it all with us, like shit, man. I said, yeah, I'm just watching this guy's behavior, some of the stuff he's doing. Um, I just felt like there's no way I can stay here in good faith and, uh, and do anything, you know, with this organization with him in charge.

• 2:41:46Speaker 05

  Um, so I ended up just leaving is what I ended up doing. Me and actually one of the SEALs walked out together, grabbed our shit, literally walked out of the desert. So we're out of here. Um, but, uh, that story, so BBC made a, uh, came out with a story on that last year. And, uh, they actually interviewed me in Florida. So they called me and they were actually asking about the Wagner Group. So Wagner Group are mercenaries right from Russia. And they were trying to compare them to what we did, you know? They're just asking, being quizzzy, if you know. And so I obliged them, I said, look, you know, those guys are a bunch of knuckle draggers from jail, blah, blah, blah. You know, you got a choice, die in jail or die on the battlefield. I said, my guys are professionals, okay? And you asked a question about mercenaries. And I, and I made it very clear to the journalist from BBC, I said,

• 2:42:30Speaker 05

  We're not mercenaries, we're professional soldiers, okay? I said, "Don't call me an assassin, don't call me a mercenary, I'm a professional soldier." I was hired, which is legal by the way, as an American citizen, you can vote, um, work for a foreign government, as long as that foreign government, um, policies are in alignment with US policies, right? Global War on Terror. Yeah. Okay, so, um. Right. So I tried to let her know, "Look, I'm a professional soldier, my men are professional soldiers, these guys are dads, husbands, you know? Uh, there's no young guys or middle-aged guys on the team, they're all professionals." Uh, we took great care to make sure that there's no collateral damage, um, we made sure we vetted the targets, that we didn't shoot the wrong target, or kill the, kill the wrong guy because a old boy had the ass at him because he took his lunch money one time when he was in high school, or whatever.

• 2:43:14Speaker 05

  I said, you know, "We did our, we did our due diligence as well." But, uh, so she wanted to know if I would do the documentary. And I thought, "Man, the SEAL had already gotten us in trouble, because what happened a couple of years later after we did the operations, I didn't know this, he went to Reuters, and told Reuters that, uh, he gave up all our names and phone numbers, told them what we did, and he was trying to pitch this thing as a movie in Hollywood." And how do I know that? Because I, I know all the Hollywood producers, a lot of them, and they called my management team. And like, "Hey, what is going, what is this about?" And he saw the pictures, even though my face was obscured, like, "That's comp stock, what's..." So I know he's trying to make a movie, um, and I know he's trying to use journalists to help prop it up to make the movie, right?

• 2:43:56Speaker 05

  So he ratted us all out. None of us knew this. He gave up our names, in fact, one of the guys on my team got shot on Fort Bragg. He's a medic, he was out jogging, a car with Arabs, literally drove up and shot him right through the gut, gut shot him. I saw him, the next day I saw him, he's, he wouldn't go to, he wouldn't go to the hospital because he was a medic, he said, "I'm gonna take care of this myself, I don't need no more drama." So we meet at Hooters, him and my son, and he's got it through and through gunshot, and he's got, he's got him stuffed with tampons and shit, he's trying to take him out. What? You know, yeah. Good lord. So this is what happens when people open their mouth, you know, and, and this is why I'm really assed up at this dude, because he's caused a lot of problems, right? And then I thought it went away, um, at one point Elizabeth Warren was running her freaking pie hole about, you know, an investigation, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 2:44:39Speaker 05

  It's like, you know, "Go ahead, bitch, um, you know, you know, we didn't break any laws." Um, but, uh, um, so I thought this might be a chance, because apparently it's not going away, because they kept bringing up this guy's name. I said, you know what? If I don't do it, he's gonna do it. If he does it, we're going to jail. Cause he's just a liar, man. I watched him bullshit just to glorify this whole thing. Yeah. So I said, I'll do it. Cause I thought I could definitely tamp it down a little bit. So they showed up um in uh May of two years ago. Yeah, uh twenty twenty three. So it's supposed to be the cameraman, the producer and one other person, I think. And then anyways, they're gonna be there for three days, Panama City Beach, Florida. They show up. I'm at this training site where I do some training sometime.

• 2:45:24Speaker 05

  And uh they they go, hey, it's us, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, by the way, we brought this person with us. Her name's Nawala. She's a journalist. She's actually a Yemeni journalist, right? And good looking one, but she was pregnant, but and also she hated America. She hated the fact that, you know, we would exist. There's no doubt in my mind. Uh, I could just feel the tension, man. Yeah. And she was ready to dig into me, man, on this interview. I kept a nice smile and everything, like very cordial. And then what happened was um, so they wanna see me do some training stuff, you know, for the footage, uh B-roll or whatever. And then um, and then we went, uh, they want me to go to an indoor, take them into an indoor range. And they wanna film me shooting, right? Actually shooting. Okay, so I'm shooting.

• 2:46:06Speaker 05

  Um, and then finally, at one point, I remember I get a little, I'm getting a little bored, you know? They're filming, you know, do one like that, do one like this. And I'm like, hey, listen, guys. I said, I know you're from England and you guys don't get to shoot guns. You only get to stab people. I said, would you like to try to shoot a gun? Yeah, I'll show you. They were all cracking up. I go, that's true. So, so the uh producer um or the director, sorry, well, producer, she, yeah, I wanna do it. So she gets up there and I have her fire about four rounds of a um a Glock seventeen. Sorry, Glock nineteen. Hmm. And I'm very close, I'm controlling it just so there's no, no accidents. She shot like four rounds and lost her shit, right? She's looking at me, she's take the gun, take the gun, take the gun. So I take the gun from her, she runs out the building, literally goes to the car and never comes back.

• 2:46:49Speaker 05

  So I clear the weapon, I look at the rest of the crew, I guess, I, I guess we're done. Hmm. Like, yeah, I guess we're done. So we pack up our shit, we go back to my uh home and they're setting up to do the interview uh inside my living room. She comes out the bathroom and I go, hey, uh, I said. Well, so what did you think about shooting? She goes, I don't ever want to do that again. I was mortified. She goes, this thing was so big and black and powerful and uh, she's like freaking out, right? Yeah. And everybody's watching and listening. And I thought, you know, I'll make this a teachable moment, right? Maybe they'll keep, put this on video. I doubt they'll actually put this out, but you know. So I said, this is what I said to her. I said, you know what? I said, let me show you something. I said, you know what this gun represents? And she goes, what? I said, in your mind, it represents power, right?

• 2:47:30Speaker 05

  It's big, not that big, but it's big, black, goes bang, makes a lot of noise, power kills people, right? I said, and the problem is, you don't want nothing to do with it, like most people in America, not most, but half the country, they want to get rid of it. Right. Because, right? Get rid of this thing, it's bad, right? And so I said, but if I teach you how to shoot this gun, control the gun, clear the gun, handle it safely, I said, guess what happens to the power of the gun? The power of the gun gets transferred to you, right? It has no more power, you have all the power. See, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Now that you have control, the gun is harmless, unless you pull the trigger, right? And, and shoot somebody with it. So, I thought it was a pretty good, pretty teachable moment, right? She's like looking at me like, wow. And everybody's like, yeah, wow, that makes sense, like, really? Yeah. Seems like common sense, right? Right.

• 2:48:14Speaker 05

  But apparently it's not so common after all. So, yeah, they didn't put that in the, in the BBC documentary, but uh, it came out. She could, so then they interviewed me, um, later on, and uh, they thought they had the aha moment, right? So, Nawala, she goes, I got the list, the target list, the only target list, and why would you guys, uh, attempt to kill, um, a woman or women? They go, huh? What are you talking about? She goes, yeah. She goes, there's women on the list. One of them's a humanitarian, she got all these awards, blah, blah, blah, blah. I said, there's no women on the list. She goes, yes, there is, yes, there is. Right, she's trying to hold me too. I said, no, no, so finally, I said, I got lucky, a couple of things. So, I said, oh, hold on for a sec. So I get on my phone, speakerphone, I called one of the mercenaries.

• 2:48:55Speaker 05

  Uh, he's a French Foreign Legionnaire. Um, and I said, hey, Paul, I said, hey, by the way, remember that target list? He goes, yeah, he goes, uh, what was that, that one chick, man? Do you remember her name that was on there? He goes, no, there were no girls on there. No, no, that one, he goes, no, there's no, he said there was no girl. Positive, there's no girl. What are we talking about? I said, nothing. I said, by the way, BBC's here. They said there's a target list with chicks on it. And he goes, that's bullshit. He loads, he unloads on the other hand, right? And I look at her, she's like, oh. And so then she tried to get me for some other stuff, right? She said, oh, well, you killed the governor of Aiden with a car bomb. In fact, she tried to implicate me in like 30 car bombings. I go, really?

• 2:49:29Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 2:49:30Speaker 05

  So, so lucky for me, on my phone, I had the intel report, right? And, um, I said, I didn't kill the governor. She goes, oh, yes, you did. And 30 other guys. I said, okay, let's start with this. I said, right here. I said, here's a report. I said, she, um, from Al Qaeda, killing the governor of Aiden on November 7th of 2015. Okay. And they're taking responsibility for killing him in his car. I said, and you know, when we showed it was December 15th, right? And, uh, so how did I kill him? And she's like, and I showed her the, I showed her the newspaper clip and everything, right? And she's like, oh. And then she tried to pin me with all the other ones. And I just, I said, lady, the only car I blew was my own, right? That's the only one I blew. I didn't kill nobody in their car, right? And all that bullshit.

• 2:50:12Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:50:12Speaker 05

  But, uh, that's kind of where this thing started to unfold. But actually, I had her, I think she kind of backed off because if you watch the documentary, she's pretty, she doesn't have a lot to say to me after that, you know, she's just kind of being nice because I've treated her with respect anyways. Um, but the other guy, she asked him, she says, well, how many, um, how many missions did you do? Did you do more than 30? And he goes, well, you know, can't really talk about that. Fucking arrogant seal, right? And I'm like, yes, you can asshole. Say you did one, just one. That's all you gotta say. Right? We know it's one. Why do you have to go, well, it could be more than 30 because all you're doing now suggests that we did more than 30. In fact, they said we did 160.

• 2:50:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:50:52Speaker 05

  I was like, huh? I wasn't even there that long, right? So, um, anyways, that's that story. You can look, it's on the internet. And, uh,

• 2:50:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So, that's the problem when you mix politics with, with all of this stuff, you know? And then there's, you know, there's also like the moral question, which most people don't understand, which is it takes a certain kind of guy to do the things that you have done and people like you have done, you know? And, uh, no one really understands that. People, I mean,

• 2:51:20Danny Jones?

  You think like, yeah, it's gotta take like a psychopath or a sociopath to be able to sneak into somebody's house and cut their throat at night, right? Like, that's a terrible thing. Like, how could you reconcile that with, with, you know, your morals or your religion or whatever it is? Like, how could you think of yourself as a good person when you're doing that? But like, there's a huge difference between guys who can do stuff like that. And, and literally recruiting teenagers to sit in a military base in Las Vegas and push buttons on drones that are blowing up entire buildings, you know? Like, on one, on one hand, you have like, you're disconnected from this death and destruction. And on the other hand, the kid who's doing this is gonna end up having all kinds of psychological issues down the road, which happens with a lot of people,

• 2:52:03Danny Jones?

  like, young kids, like, just joining the military and going to war when, like, the real reason they're doing it is because they might not have many other options, right? Or, like, they were maybe pushed into it from, you know, by somebody else, some, some different kind of, like, influence in their life. And then, you know, there's guys like you who, like, "I want this," you know?

• 2:52:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. The thing about the drone pilots, right? That's kind of an interesting phenomenon because

• 2:52:31Speaker 05

  when I went to the unit before, when I was going through selection and I was gonna go, I'm ready to go in front of the board, I had to do one more interview with a psychologist. And the question he asked me, he goes, "If you have to shoot a man, would you rather do it up close, like with a 45, or from far away, like with a rifle?" And I thought about it for a little, just to make sure it wasn't a trick question, I thought about it, I said, "I'd rather shoot him from a distance." He goes, "Why?" I says, "It's less personal," right? "'Cause now you're just a target. Up close, I see your face, right? And I see human. From a distance, I dehumanize, dehumanize you, right? So, you know, you're just a target." So with the drone operators, now, I don't know what their psyche, you know, what is, what they're dealing with. I

• 2:53:16Speaker 05

  have no idea. I've never met a real drone operators doing this kind of stuff. I'd imagine it might, yeah, you're right. If, if a guy has some... Look, there's a difference between a guy like me that goes out and can shoot people in the face.

• 2:53:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:29Speaker 05

  Alright, and there's a difference between a guy that can play video games from afar and kill people that just look like a target, right? But they're not really human. Uh, maybe the day will come where this drone operator will realize, actually, I actually killed people, right? So, I killed fathers and sons and brothers.

• 2:53:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:46Speaker 05

  Maybe women and children too, on the battlefield, some far distant country. So I would imagine, maybe at some point, um, that he might have, they might have to reconcile that. Some maybe right away can't deal with it. Uh, maybe some, for some it'll haunt them later on, for some maybe it'll never haunt them. Um, the question always posed to me is, how do I feel about things I've done? I'll tell you this. I'm a hundred percent disabled veteran, um, a hundred percent PTSD, among other things. And I don't have PTSD because I killed somebody, or they almost killed me. None of that bothers me, because when you, when you go to, if you're, if you really are a warrior, combat, a warrior, soldier, um, you go in there knowing what you're getting into. It's like being a boxer.

• 2:54:32Speaker 05

  I didn't become a professional boxer, um, by being afraid. I went in knowing what's gonna happen to me. Okay, and I went in and I fought because I enjoyed it. Sounds kinda okay, maybe a little sick, but I enjoyed the sport, I enjoyed the combat. Same thing with this. I enjoy combat. I enjoy leveraging all my skills, my tactics, my weapon systems, and everything, and, and meeting the enemy. This is why in Al, in, uh, Aden, we didn't have anything. I had a thirty, uh, thirty year old CHICOM AK-47. Literally Vietnam vintage shit is what I had. I had to make all my gear to carry my magazines. We all did, right? We improvised everything. I, we were no better equipped and armed than Al Qaeda. We're gonna go on the battlefield with the same, with the same tools, right? Same Nikes, but the difference was gonna be, who is the better soldier?

• 2:55:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:55:18Speaker 05

  I know I am, right? So I'm gonna beat them all day long. Cause I'm actually a soldier, they're just a bunch of goons, right?

• 2:55:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:55:23Speaker 05

  And so, um, so I look at it like that, and, and so, I sleep good at night, not because of what I've done. Um, I sleep good because of what I didn't do. I didn't, I didn't murder nobody. Um, people that had it coming, had it coming, they deserved it. And the other thing, but the thing that probably bothers me more than anything else, and this is what,

• 2:55:45Speaker 05

  Doesn't trigger me anymore so much at the PTSD. Um, it's not seeing combatants getting killed and you're killing them and them all killing you. Um, it's actually when you start seeing the collateral effect, when you start seeing dead women and children and babies crying and people screaming, you know, that are affected by this. That's the part that you take home because if you're already a father like I am, um, and you're married and just think of your family and you're like, man, you know, like there's one example, um, I was up in, uh, Tukri, Saddam's home city, right hometown, and there's a daylight assault and I was gonna lead, um, the unit, right, in a daylight assault on this guy that we know was an IED maker and, um,

• 2:56:31Speaker 05

  but they lived in these roll houses over there, uh, you know, they're all connected. It's like one long wall, these, it's hard to tell which one's which, they all look alike, right? And so I had to go in and do a, um, what do you call a CTR, close target reconnaissance. So basically I'm gonna go in dressed up like an Arab, you know, hajjed out in my pickup truck and I'm gonna drive by his house and look at it and positively identify it, PID. We have that's him, that's the car, that's blah, blah, blah, okay, good. I know my way in, I know the way out, then I go back, I pick them up, they follow me in. And so that's what we did, as we go in, there was a red car parked there and now it's not there. And a little bit of time has gone, that was kind of one of my reference points and I, but I didn't just count on that, but it just made everything look different. There's no more red car here. Right, right. And all these buildings are white.

• 2:57:15Speaker 05

  And so I pull up, I'm like, ah shit, and I'm hoping I'm getting this one right. And I did get it right because as soon as I slowed down, the guys behind me start bailing out and, um, they're going in full bore, man, through the front gates and stuff. And there's this little kid there on the street on sidewalk, about two years old. And it turns out it's the target's son. And he's just coming unhinged, man, the kid's screaming in his, you know, oh my god, ah, mouth wide open. You know, he's two years old, he just, he's just freaking, you know, mortified, man, and then, you know, these guys are going in and I'm out of the weapon, out of the vehicle and I got my weapon in hand, starting to, you know, prepare to pick up, uh, security for them and then. I look over at this kid and all I could see was my two-year-old son standing there.

• 2:58:00Speaker 05

  Right? And I remember my kid crying like that one time when I left him at the daycare. And it just kinda like just all came flashing back because I felt so bad when I left him at the daycare because he's looking out the window screaming, his mouth was wide open, daddy, you know, that kinda thing. And I had to leave him because I gotta go to work, you know, what am I gonna do? And it was so hard, you know, to do that. And I'm sure a lot of parents can identify with that. And so now I see this kid that reminds me of my own kid, the same crying on his face and screaming. It just brought back all these emotions, man. All I could do is just run over there and grab him. I pick him up in my arm, I'm kinda holding him, got the rifle in my other hand, trying to pull security. Like, come on, buddy, it's gonna be okay, you know? And they're going, you know, tightening up his dad.

• 2:58:39Speaker 05

  And so, um, those are the kinda things that can have a real impact, you know, on your, on your, on your emotions and stuff like that. You know, there was, I mean, I got so many of these cases, I'll share another.

• 2:58:52Danny Jones?

  What did it happen to the kid?

• 2:58:54Speaker 05

  Um, actually, after they, they picked him up, um, we went in. We didn't take the women, right? So only, we only wanted the guy, right? So if there's women in the house, whatever, hey, here's, here's a little boy, right? Take care of him, that type of thing. So we usually just left him. Um, can't take him out. Dad's going away probably for a very long time. Um, but, you know, those are the kinda things that, you know, you get caught. Like, another example, I'll use Afghanistan. Um, I remember one time, so we're, we're in a, we're in a base camp, a very small base camp. It's just me and ten or eleven other Americans. Two of us are, are shooters. The rest are just support logs, stuff like that.

• 2:59:37Speaker 05

  And, uh, we are at 7,000 feet elevation, um, on the side of a, uh, on the ridge of a high mountain. And then we put an OP, a listening post, observation post, at 9,000 feet on the tip. We put, uh, a platoon up there, right? They're behind HESCO sandbags, right? And their job was provide overwash, they can see 360, you know, and give us some top cover if we needed. And, uh, they, they, we rotate them out every month. So next month, another platoon will come up there. And so what was happening was, so we're on. This side of the mountain, OP is up here and then on this side of the mountain down here is a Taliban village. So the Taliban, every morning they would do two things. One, they would lob mortars over the mountain on top of us and then I would have to run out and grab my mortar section, lob mortars back.

• 3:00:18Speaker 05

  And then the other thing they'd do was send Taliban up their side and they would start sniping our guys in the OP position, start shooting them, right? And they had, there's like three or four different ways it could get up there, right, trails? But there's all ended in the same area and that's where they'd shoot from. And, um, so I'd been there for a while now. Now I'm getting a little annoyed, you know, it's like, you know, I hate, because they always do it at four thirty in the morning. You know why they do it at four thirty in the morning? Well, one, that's when the sun comes up and two, that's when they do have their prayer call. They're all gonna go pray. So they're like, hey, you guys, go to church and pray and hey, why don't you just throw some mortars at those guys on the way, right? So it was like a morning event, right? I was wearing some mask away, right? Yeah, um, and so, and then, you know, they wake Dell up at four thirty. I want to sleep, you know, and, you know, so I gotta get out of bed. So now I'm, and I'm hangry and, and mad. Right.

• 3:01:02Speaker 05

  So, um, so one day I decided, you know what? There's, they're, they're popping our guys up there and, uh, I need to do something about it. So, so I took a patrol of my Afghans with me. We'd go up there and I have them stay back, pull security. Um, and then what I do is I go over to where I know Taliban's been coming up and taking sniper shots, right? So I know where the trails are and, uh, so I booby trap all the trails, right? I put tripwire under, hang grenades. I set it all up. So anybody comes through is gonna get fragged, right? They come out there. And, uh, got all set up and then, my guys didn't know where I put it. I intentionally didn't tell them because like I said earlier, sometimes we had actually Taliban in our ranks. So why, I don't want to expose this information to a possible Taliban guy, right?

• 3:01:47Speaker 05

  So, um, then they come up and get free hand grenades, uh, if they don't get blown up by one. So, so we leave, we go back down to the base. I gotta leave within two days or something like that. Go home for vacation for thirty days. And, uh, so I take off, I come back and my contemporary is still there. Um, his name was Dave. Dave and I were always at the same camp together, right? Dave was a former Green Beret, really jolly old guy, um, just a really good guy, man. Very funny, told jokes, just the life of the camp. He actually committed suicide in, uh, Southern Pines, New York, Carolina one day. Just walked outside and shot himself with a forty-five and got it over with. Yeah, I knew, I knew he had some things going on, but I didn't know there was that much going on.

• 3:02:28Speaker 05

  But, uh, so I remember coming back and he's already there. I say, hey, Dave, what's going on? I said, um, You know, and normally what we do is we give each other a sit rep, an update of what happened the last thirty days while you're gone. Okay, this is what we've been doing, blah, blah, blah. I go, so, uh, I said, how my booby traps work out? And he was really cavalier, but he goes, oh, let me see, you killed a goat and a little boy.

• 3:02:49Speaker 05

  I go, stop, what, what? He goes, yeah, you killed a little boy and a goat. And, uh, it's just, what, what, what, tell me more. And so apparently what happened was, I say a little boy, he was about fourteen, and, uh, his dad sent him up there to basically recover spent brass, unexplained, UXO, anything they could salvage, right, for make money. It's, you know, brass, stuff like that, right? So pops knew that, you know, there's stuff laying up there, and he sent little Johnny up to go collect it all and bring it back. Well, little Johnny went up there, after the goat walked through one of my booby traps, he walked through one of them and killed him, right? Oh, okay. And now the weird part is, and I still do, I've never gotten the answer on this, but, so Dave told me they found the boy's body down in the dump. I said, that makes

• 3:03:34Speaker 05

  no sense, because Muslims, they have, they have a, uh, basically, they're required to bury their dead within twenty-four hours, right? So why would they put them in the dump? Something's not adding up. It didn't make any sense. So, he goes, well, he goes, well, then the father says, uh, well, one out, he goes, so I got another one, he's ten years old, you get your ass up there. So he sends the ten-year-old up there, right? He walks through a booby trap, takes a leg off. Oh, my God. So I say, so I got, killed one, wounded one, and a goat. He goes, yeah. And I had to do some soul searching, I was like, is that something I want to keep doing? Do I want to leave those booby traps up there? Because the intent was to kill the bad guys and save, protect the good guys, right? Because I got soldiers up there that are fathers,

• 3:04:19Speaker 05

  husbands, brothers, they're soldiers, they're loyal, they go to combat, they go to fight with me, um...

• 3:04:27Speaker 05

  I need to protect them, right? So I, that's what I was trying to do. And so, but this was what happens. And so, so after doing a little bit of soul searching, I thought about it, I thought about it, I was like, you know what, those guys are just gonna have to do a better job of protect themselves or hide behind their sandbag. I said, that's, that's it, man. I said, I'm gonna go back up there and disassemble everything. So I took the patrol back with me. But this time, when I got up there, in that 30 days that I was gone, there was a 115, a 155 artillery strike on that hilltop because somebody called it in because the Taliban was up there, right? So when I got up there, I didn't recognize anything. All the trees were split in half and branches, it was a big mess. I'm like, holy shit. But I knew the booby traps were probably still hanging in there, right?

• 3:05:09Speaker 05

  So I, look, it'd be very irresponsible for me to leave those things there. Nah, just fucking leave them there. Somebody's gonna get killed one day, right? And so, I can't do that. Responsibly, I can't do that, right? I gotta, I gotta recover the shit or make an attempt. So I go out there, sure enough, man, phew, some of them were just hanging by a thread. I'm like, oh my god, man, it's like shit, get a strong breeze, I might get vaporized here. So I, I sneak up to these things and, see, the pins are already out. So what's holding them together actually was the spoon on the hang grenade, and I, and I put it back into, they come in these cans, right? And you slide the hang grenade in the can. So the hang grenade, hang grenade was on, but inside the can, it has tripwire on it that was tied off to another hang grenade over here, or to a tree, or whatever,

• 3:05:51Speaker 05

  a stationary point. And when you walk through a wire, you pull the grenade out, it pulls a, it flips the spoon, and it goes off, right? Well, apparently, what happened, mine were all doubles, right? So if you get, if you pull those grenades out, they're gonna wrap around your ankles like, like a bolo, and you're not gonna get them off. You're gonna get, you're gonna die, right? You're gonna have two hang grenades hanging around your feet, trying to wobble away. So, you know, I was able to go up and sneak up and catch a couple of them, and then I just threw them down the mountain, over at the side where the Taliban was, let them have it, right? Rain on them. But I did recover it, but the, but what I was trying, the point I'm trying to make about all that is, those were the kind of things that I think about, you know? You always think about that. It's like, God, man, do you know, you don't get to, you don't get to escape war.

• 3:06:38Speaker 05

  If you're, if you're, if you're a combatant, if you're a combat soldier, if you're out there, the guy that's slinging lead with the bad guys, um, at very close ranges, you don't get to escape war without something mental going on after that, man. You gotta, you gotta carry something with you, right? And for me, it wasn't the fear of dying, it wasn't killing bad guys. It was like watching innocent people suffer, you know? And that's the hard part, man, because you know why I can relate to that? Because I have a family, you know? And when I see these people, I'm thinking my kids, my wife is like, man, I, I watch women screaming. Oh, my God, man, I've never heard women scream like that in horror and fear and stuff. As we're, as we're taking out their freaking brothers and husbands and, you know, it's like, ah,

• 3:07:23Speaker 05

  you know, and I'm mad at the, I'm mad at the men. It's like, why would you put your women in this position?

• 3:07:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:07:28Speaker 05

  You know, why would you do that, man? You know, idiots, um, but they don't care, um, they don't care. So some type of sickness for sure, but, um.

• 3:07:38Danny Jones?

  Do you believe in God?

• 3:07:40Speaker 05

  I believe in a higher power. I'm glad you asked that question too. I'm very transparent, bro. You can ask anything you want. Um, I don't care. I got nothing to hide. Um, I believe in a higher power. So when we, when we first sat down and started talking today, we were talking a little bit about supplements and alternative medicine and stuff like that, right? So a little bit more about my background. Um, I'm, I have a PhD in alternative medicine, natural health. I got a master's degree in business and organizational security management with a, um, a bachelor's degree in education. And I'm really intrigued by longevity and, you know, I want to know how to live longer, healthier, and be as effective as I am today. I'm 62 now and so, um.

• 3:08:20Danny Jones?

  You look fucking great, bro.

• 3:08:21Speaker 05

  Thanks. And it's, it's been, it's been, well, I've had my PhD now for about 20 something years. Um, and by the way, I earned my PhD downrange, um, the entire PhD downrange. I bring my, my study materials. If I was not shooting bad guys, lifting weights, um, or sleeping, I was studying. So here's what, here's my thoughts on, to ask your question, is there a God, higher power?

• 3:08:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:45Speaker 05

  I think God's within all of us, okay? And that, okay, that's kind of a, it sounds like I'm kind of being elusive, but the world that we live in, the universe that we live in, everything is frequency, everything is energy, everything's vibrating, this wooden table right here. If you were to get down, really far down in a microscope, you'll realize all those atoms have space, they're all moving, they're all vibrating, right? Nothing's actually solid, you, me, we're not solid. Everything has its own frequency. Everything has some type of frequency to it, some type of broadband frequency. You asked me earlier, so what tied this into the canine thing, the dogs, right? How do dogs smell explosives, how do you train them? So this all, we'll tie all this together. So, so for example,

• 3:09:27Speaker 05

  canines, when they pick up an odor, okay? Every odor has a broadband frequency, okay? What that means is, for example, how do I train a dog to find you and track you through a thousand people, crowd of a thousand people, okay? He smells you, whatever, you, you take off, you run zigzag through the crowd, and a few minutes later, I send the dog and we, we track or trail you through, through the group. Okay. How does he know just, your scent from everybody else's scent? Because everybody's odor is like a signature. We all have a very unique odor, all the way down at the, at the very chemical level, right? And it has to do with frequency, so every odor

• 3:10:10Speaker 05

  or every slight change of an odor has a slight change of frequency. So what the dog is doing, so, so now the other thing that happens, we shed about a million skin cells a day. Okay, they're just flopping off, we don't see them, but we're shedding shit all the time, right? So these skin cells, it's biological, but it hits the ground, and guess what happens? It starts to decay, bacteria starts to consume it, it starts to gas off, you get gas coming up, the gas has its own frequency, okay, because of your, your skin. And the dog is literally picking up your odor, right? It's different from everybody else's, so he's following this, this, this wake of odor, which has your frequency in it. So the dog actually sees the world through his nose, as you and I see it through our eyes. Right. So you, when we, everything we look at is color.

• 3:10:55Speaker 05

  I mean, it's, it's frequency, right? We only see about 3% of

• 3:10:59Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:10:59Speaker 05

  the color on the light and electromagnetic spectrum, right?

• 3:11:01Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:11:02Speaker 05

  So we're blinded by the other 97. The 3% we do see, we actually don't see it. What we're doing is our photoreceptors are picking up the light frequency, the light waves.

• 3:11:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:11:10Speaker 05

  Right, and converting it and then basically creating an image of what we see, what we consciously think it is.

• 3:11:15Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:11:16Speaker 05

  And by the way, that's all relative. What I see, what you see may be something completely different. Because what we do is to convert that frequency, it's basically projected like on the back of the visual cortex.

• 3:11:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:25Speaker 05

  And we see something, right?

• 3:11:26Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:11:26Speaker 05

  Um, so we do that visually. We rely on our eyes more than we do our nose, right? Now, a canine does the opposite. He relies on his nose more than he does his eyes. He's many times better at smelling things than we are. So here's another example. There's stories out there like this, by the way. It's not me making this up. So a family goes from, let's just say, drives from North Carolina to California and they got Fido in the car with the family. It's gonna be, you know, vacation for, you know, out to California. So driving along the way, halfway out there, um, you know, take the dog out to go poop or something at the rest stop and then poop. The Fido's gone and they lost him. They can't find him. Like, where'd he go? It's gone. Well, can't wait on him, we gotta go. So they leave. Come back to North Carolina a few weeks later, a couple of months later, the dog shows up at the front porch. Like, how did that happen? How do you, how do you know how to find his way back?

• 3:12:11Speaker 05

  Cause he was in the back of his car sleeping most of the time.

• 3:12:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:12:13Speaker 05

  Right? That's what dogs do.

• 3:12:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:12:15Speaker 05

  So here's why how it happens. So you're driving along, you're seeing road signs, street signs, you're seeing terrain features. You're seeing prominent things, right, that you won't forget, you know? Like, yeah, you're in Pittsburgh right now, wherever, right? Big sign.

• 3:12:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:12:27Speaker 05

  Uh, you're seeing this thing, this bridge, this blah, blah, blah, right? So you're picking everything in, you're remembering it with your mind. Well, the dog's laying back there, he's picking up odor along the way. Every odor has its frequency. So what he does is, so he's literally seeing what you're seeing, but he's seeing it through his nose because he's picking up frequency.

• 3:12:45Danny Jones?

  Even while he's sleeping?

• 3:12:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:12:47Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:12:47Speaker 05

  To some degree, right? Um, like, we can hear things when we're sleeping, right? We don't always act on it, but we can hear shit when we're sleeping, right?

• 3:12:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:12:54Speaker 05

  So, um, so what happened is the dog goes, huh. He doesn't know how to go forward because he doesn't have any scent memory going forward, but he does have scent memory going backwards. So he, so he reverses it, falls it back.

• 3:13:06Danny Jones?

  That's so interesting because I think it's been proven that, uh, the, the number one sense that we have that is uh, most directly correlated with memory is smell.

• 3:13:19Danny Jones?

  You know, that's why you smell things, random things you haven't smelt in years and you're like all of a sudden like shoots back all these memories into your brain.

• 3:13:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 3:13:26Danny Jones?

  That's fascinating.

• 3:13:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, so that's kind of how the dog works, right? So um, now what's interesting is if you have a dog, your pet dog, and let's just say you position him 100 yards away, somebody's holding, all of a sudden, you know, you walk out.

• 3:13:41Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:13:41Speaker 05

  The dog goes, huh, is that my master? Right? I think it's my master. He starts wagging his tail and, and then he runs to you. Usually what he will do as soon as he gets to you, he'll sniff your hand or sniff your body. He'll take a, he'll take a, a long fall to confirm it's you. He trusts his nose more than he does his eyes.

• 3:13:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:58Speaker 05

  So when I train dogs with explosives, for example, every explosive, C4, TNT, whatever it is, all has its own broadband frequency. So I train the dog just to pick up on that, on those frequencies, right? Um, individually, I start individually and sometimes I compound them together. Um, but basically the dog knows that, okay, if I, if I find this particular odor, what I do is I, I basically trick him, right? So for example, I'll put the odor in a box. The dog likes the tennis ball. He's really interested in the tennis ball. He doesn't know anything about this odor thing yet. And so he went to ball, went to ball boy, I put it in a box, right? He runs over here and I stick it out this hole. He sees he tries to get to it. When we put his nose in there, he also gets a whiff, a whiff of this explosive, right?

• 3:14:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:44Speaker 05

  But he doesn't think anything about the explosives yet. He just wants the ball, right? And then I hand him the, throw him the ball. He goes, he's all happy, right?

• 3:14:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:49Speaker 05

  And then over, I keep repeating that. It's classical conditioning. Eventually what happens is he starts to associate the smell with the tennis ball.

• 3:14:57Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:14:57Speaker 05

  Right? Then I don't put the tennis ball anymore, but he just, he smells it, right? And I've also now conditioned to sit down when he smells a tennis ball, right? So now he sits, but I don't, where's the tennis ball at? Also the tennis ball comes from behind. Somebody throws it behind, it's, oh, there it is, right? So he learns how to basically sit when he smells an odor because it's associated with the tennis ball, which is the reward. And the reward is actually what it does. It stimulates his prey drive. So the reason dogs chase balls and some are better than others because they have a high prey drive. It's a hunting drive. Right? They go crazy over hunting. If the ball's moving, it drives them nuts. Um, some dogs don't care about hunting, right? They've just lost that, whatever, that drive. They don't have it. Um, so you have to use, for example, food incentive, right? If they're hungry, they'll eat. If they don't want to eat, the only time they eat is when they're working, right?

• 3:15:40Speaker 05

  And so they want to find a lot of explosives because that means they're going to get a big meal, maybe if they're lucky, right? So there's different drives that dogs have, but basically. Whether it's explosives, narcotics, it doesn't matter what it is. That's one of the ways you train them. In fact, I can train a dog to

• 3:15:57Speaker 05

  pick up money. I can train a dog to, you know, I don't know, pick up, you know, like this, whatever this ingredient here, just a little drug trace of it.

• 3:16:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:16:05Speaker 05

  I can train a dog to find like cell phones. I was in, I was in London Heathrow one time and I was on the jetway in line waiting to get on the board, on board the aircraft and a canine handler, a British guy, policeman, walks by with a Labrador. He's walking by everybody. As soon as he walks by me, the dog stops and sits right on my ass.

• 3:16:25Danny Jones?

  Uh oh.

• 3:16:26Speaker 05

  Right? And the guy looks at me, goes, how much money you got in your pocket? I pulled it. I had like, maybe, I don't know.

• 3:16:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, he smells cash.

• 3:16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, he smells money. I had about $300 on me, right? I just pulled it. I go, yeah, that's all I got right here. He goes, okay. Yeah. Because you know what? That's if you get caught, came like more than $10,000, you know, where, depending on what country you go to, that's a, that's problems, right? You can actually confiscate from me and keep it from me and then do all kinds of other shit. So that's what he was looking for, cash. But it can be, I can train a dog to detect COVID viruses, you know, it's already done. Dogs are already detecting cancer in people. They're detecting seizures before they answer, before they happen. And you can detect, train a dog to detect a virus. Because why? The virus has its own frequency. The virus also changes your own frequency. See, our frequency is roughly 7.8 hertz, right? Which is the same frequency as Earth.

• 3:17:16Speaker 05

  Right? The same resonance as Earth. Earth is 7.83. We're actually 7.83. Now, when you take, if you were to take, if you were to get a virus, it's going to change everything in your body, metabolism, your, everything's going to start changing because we've got a problem in there, right? And the dog can actually pick that up externally. He can pick up that frequency. He's not hearing it. He's not seeing it. He's picking up with his nose because you're going to start basically gassing off just through your moisture, just through sweating and things like that and your body odor. He's going to pick up a trace, some type of trace of that virus in there.

• 3:17:49Speaker 05

  When, when COVID happened, I've got actually one of the subject matter experts in the world, a particular doctor, that actually, he's actually, actually, I think I can say his name. His name is Dr. Adibimpi, very good guy. And he actually, he's a owner, founder of Sent Logic. He makes pseudo explosive training, training mediums, right? And

• 3:18:14Speaker 05

  And he and I were actually gonna institute a set up covid screening points like an airport like you get off off the aircraft you guys gonna walk out walk towards immigration. I have one or two canines posted right there as you walk by. The dogs are just sitting. I'll have a fan on the other side. It's blowing a light breeze across. Anybody's got the virus, it would come across, dog would pick it up. And then what he it's called vapor trail and then what he would do is follow the guy that's got it and then sit on. Right? I can train dogs to do. I've done it before, right? So the dog sits and goes, that guy's that guy's it, right? And then you wrap them up. But nobody wanted to talk about that. Nobody was interested. And I'll tell you why they weren't interested. Because this whole covid thing was a racket. I'll tell you why. Everybody was making a ton of money off of PCR testing.

• 3:18:59Speaker 05

  All the clinics were making if a guy came up positive, you know, they they got thirteen or fifteen hundred dollars from the US government, you know, for every positive hit. People were incentivized to to make sure people have the virus. And they're not gonna let me come in with my dog and scan people and just pluck out the people already have it, right? So nobody was interested in that because of that reason, right? So this is why, again, I know this is all bullshit. This covid thing was a bunch of crap. A lot of people made a lot of money and a lot of people lost a lot of money, including me. A lot of people lost their lives. You know, a lot of people, people suffered greatly because of this scam. Yeah, by the way, covid's real and and also

• 3:19:42Speaker 05

  the virus has been around for twenty eight thousand years. It's not a new virus. You know what? Thirty years ago, I was actually inoculating my dogs for covid. It was called a seven way shot. I was already doing it back then. So covid's not new. Well, they call this one the novella because it came from a bat bullshit. We know where it came from, right? But they made that crap up. It might be new.

• 3:20:01Danny Jones?

  They've admitted it now.

• 3:20:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, maybe it's a new maybe it's a new improved version of covid. It's still covid.

• 3:20:08Speaker 05

  But yeah sadly, you know, that's, you know.

• 3:20:10Danny Jones?

  That's crazy, man. It's a, you know, you were talking about how human beings are just, you know, we've been warring apes since the dawn of our existence. And with technology and the way it evolves and gain of function research, trying to make viruses more powerful to kill people easier.

• 3:20:27Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:20:27Danny Jones?

  Bro, it just, it just, the future seems grim.

• 3:20:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:20:33Danny Jones?

  When you think about just the level of, of technology and the level of, the amount of money and brain power that goes into new ways of killing people, bro.

• 3:20:44Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I just did a, yeah, I just did another podcast the other day. I was talking about drones. That was a question about drones. And here's my opinion, man. It's a matter of time and they're going to ban drones for, for private use.

• 3:21:00Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:21:00Speaker 05

  I'll tell you why.

• 3:21:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:21:01Speaker 05

  Because you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to weaponize a drone. Even a small drone you could buy wherever, right? Walmart. It's actually very simple. And now you got a drone. It's like, hmm. You scratch all the serial numbers off, you know, make sure it's not traceable, traded back to you. And now you can actually target somebody from afar, right, with a drone. And there's so many ways to kill somebody with a drone, you know? I'm not talking about mounting a gun on it. You could, I suppose. Or I've actually dropped hand grenades from them before. I've mounted hand grenades on them.

• 3:21:33Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 3:21:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. If we first started messing around with drones, I was messing around with them too. Almost blew myself up. But, um, yeah. But you, there's other ways, man. There's, there's ways like, and I'm, I'm reluctant to kind of say it out loud because I don't want to give anybody any ideas, but if you got a live brain cell, you can figure this out real fast. How to do this and passively kill somebody with a drone and make it un, nobody would know you did it. And here's, but I will say this because, and hopefully the Secret Service is listening because I want to help them out if they haven't already thought about it, is, did you see the convoy with Trump in it, uh, when they went to Saudi Arabia?

• 3:22:09Danny Jones?

  I don't think I did.

• 3:22:10Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 3:22:10Danny Jones?

  And how, how recent was this? This was a couple of weeks ago?

• 3:22:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. So anyways. He's got a really robust motorcade, right?

• 3:22:17Danny Jones?

  And they drive that shit into the plane. Like they bring all the cars on the plane when they travel. That's crazy.

• 3:22:23Speaker 05

  And actually, some of them are already forward staged. Some of them are already flown ahead and are waiting on the tarmac, right? So they're already rolling by the time he gets there. But you know, they've got, for example, I was pointing out that they had one vehicle as a suburban or something, I think right in front of the beast. And I had, it looked like, we call it donkey dick, right? But a big, large dildo sticking out the top. It's an antenna. And it's actually a jammer, right?

• 3:22:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:22:46Speaker 05

  So they jam a lot of frequencies in case there's an IED out there, right? But it made me wonder, it's like, okay, what are they doing for drones, right? Have they, they have to think about it already, right? Because here's what, here's my thought.

• 3:23:03Speaker 05

  Hopefully, his vehicle is armored on the top. A lot of times armored vehicles are not armored on the top. Because of weight, right? So they don't armor the top because they figure nobody's gonna shoot you from the top.

• 3:23:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:23:13Speaker 05

  Imagine if you had a drone and you could affix some type of a shaped charge on it, very small one, just like the ones you see in Ukraine, little ones that take out the tanks.

• 3:23:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:23:21Speaker 05

  Right? And you can land that on the top of his car while he's driving it. Or he's sitting still, he's in it.

• 3:23:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, how do you, how do you prepare for something like that? How do you, how do you disarm something? If you see a drone coming out of the sky like that towards something, how do you, what's the most logical, reasonable way to avoid that happening or take it out?

• 3:23:40Speaker 05

  That's what everybody's working on. It's like, how do we stop them, right? So there's.

• 3:23:43Danny Jones?

  EMP maybe?

• 3:23:44Speaker 05

  Well, check this out. So there's a video out, I just saw it, it's been out a couple of times now. So the Ukrainians are using drones with fiber optic wires, right? So they're wire, they're flying by wire, right? So there's no RF radio frequency, right? So there's nothing to jam.

• 3:24:03Speaker 05

  Only way you can stop that drone is you gotta cut the line, right? So it actually showed the Russian guys going out there and picking it up and it's thinner than hair, it's really thin, right? These fiber optics. Like they're using a tow missile system, it's got a range of 3,000, 3,000 feet.

• 3:24:20Danny Jones?

  What is this, Steve?

• 3:24:22Speaker 06

  I think this is what he's talking about.

• 3:24:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 3:24:26Danny Jones?

  So the the drone is basically connected to like a line the whole time?

• 3:24:30Speaker 05

  Yep, yep, yep, there it is.

• 3:24:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, like on a like on a reel?

• 3:24:32Speaker 05

  Yep, there it is. That's right.

• 3:24:35Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 3:24:38Speaker 05

  There it is, right there.

• 3:24:39Danny Jones?

  No way. So those big guns that you see, those guns that they see that like they shoot them at the drone, it's like a it's like a directed energy weapon to take out the drone, that won't work on this?

• 3:24:48Speaker 05

  Well, if they hit it, it will, if they can burn it.

• 3:24:50Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:24:51Speaker 05

  But hit the motors or something like that, but see, yeah. Fiber optic, man. The only way you're gonna stop that thing is you gotta cut the fiber, the cable, right? So so that presents another problem. And now you've got drones that actually don't do, you can actually load via AI a map and picture of the target that you want to take out, and it does the rest itself. It flies itself based on the map that's installed, and it knows what the target looks like. And it just dials in, all right? So AI is some scary shit.

• 3:25:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:25:21Speaker 05

  That's got scary too.

• 3:25:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that thing doesn't look friendly.

• 3:25:24Speaker 05

  So, yeah, that's the challenge. How do you stop stuff like this, you know?

• 3:25:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:25:29Speaker 05

  That's the challenge. And

• 3:25:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:25:33Speaker 05

  I think the only way you're gonna be able to

• 3:25:35Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 3:25:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, at this point, man, drones are so ubiquitous.

• 3:25:39Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:25:39Speaker 05

  You know? It would be like, you know, trying to ban guns today. Good luck with that, you know?

• 3:25:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:25:45Speaker 05

  And same

• 3:25:46Danny Jones?

  And they're so small, they're so tiny now. You can buy them like the size of this thing.

• 3:25:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Man, there's so much more things you can do with drones. I don't wanna give the bad guys ideas, but there's

• 3:25:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:25:57Speaker 05

  Man, one little tiny drone could really create havoc in America, in any country for that matter.

• 3:26:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's, yeah, you're right. The world is changing. It's getting scarier and scarier, more and more dangerous.

• 3:26:12Speaker 05

  You know, how this is gonna end. So to answer your question about do I believe in God, so going back to that, right? So I believe in a higher power. Here's what I believe. We're not all gonna, we're not gonna die. We don't die. What we do, and this is thermodynamics, right? Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only be transferred. So your body is simple carbon-based matter. When your body dies, what happens? It just turns into fertilizer, right? Worm food, whatever, turns into shit. What happens to electricity inside of you? The bioelectricity we have inside of us, inside of your brain, your mind, right? Your body, where's it go?

• 3:26:43Danny Jones?

  What do you think?

• 3:26:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, it goes back into the ether, into the universe, right? So, there's a thing I call the electric universe. The entire universe is electricity, everything in it is electric. So, is there a God or is there a divine consciousness? Is this, are we living in a computer simulation, right? Some advanced aliens, culture, people somewhere around the world? They've, they've created a, a, a computer simulation that's so realistic that even the players in it are real, right?

• 3:27:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:27:18Speaker 05

  Um, is that, and there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of science starting to support that notion that maybe that's actually what's going on. Because there's some really weird things, um, when you think about it. I, I, I do a lot of performance coaching for people as well. And here's what I tell my, my, I've actually coached Catholic priests, I've coached Tony Robbins coaches, I've coached doctors, I've coached a lot of people, man. And so, I always start off in the beginning, it's like, I have to know a little bit about your background. Are you religious, God fearing, what are your thoughts on things? And, uh, and so, here's what I've, what I've discovered. So, between religion and science, they're actually, there's a lot of intersectionality. In fact, they're almost the same thing.

• 3:28:03Speaker 05

  So, in, in the Bible, the Bible talks about matrix. What? Thought that was some shit somebody made for a movie. So, the Bible actually talks about a matrix and refers to a matrix in that regard. Um, there's, there's a lot of stuff in the Bible. When we talk about, and I'm a Roman Catholic by birth and that's it. Um, but I used to go to catechism, all that kind of stuff when I grew up, because my mom made me do it. But, uh, here's what I know, we talk about, you know, spirit, you know, Holy Spirit, you know, all these things. You know, we have a eulogy, you know, and, and the dear departed, you know, Danny, you know, uh, he's a good man, but he's still here with us today in spirit. Actually, he really is still here with us in spirit, right? So, I think we all intuitively know that, that we don't actually die. It's almost like a forgotten knowledge. Why do we forget it?

• 3:28:47Speaker 05

  Because we've got cell phones, we've got computers, we've got phones now that do math problems for us and think for us, right? And keep our memory in it, all our pictures and shit, right? So, I think we've gotten away from the old, the, the natural ways of thinking.

• 3:28:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:29:00Speaker 05

  But if you look at it like spirit, Holy Spirit. All these things on this side, and then on the world of physics, we talk about frequencies, the law of vibration, they're actually the same things. They're actually the same thing, because it's vibration, spirits, vibration. And I believe, I believe it's one and the same, it's just for the average religious person. They're like, no, there's God, God made everything. Okay, I'm not disagreeing. If God made everything, then he also made science, he also made all this other stuff that we're talking about. If, if he didn't make, if God doesn't exist, he didn't make all this stuff, then science could still explain it. They can both explain it. There's a, there's a top, a topic called apologetics.

• 3:29:42Speaker 05

  Apologetics is where you try to use science to prove religion. In fact, a lot of, a lot of people will try to use apologetics to prove science, right? And in my mind, it doesn't always hold water, for example, something like that's a, that's a stretch, but okay. But I, I believe, you know, science, success is based on physics. Albert Einstein said it, Nikola Tesla said, they all said it, it said the same thing. It's not about philosophy. It's not about hard work, it's always about physics. If you understand physics, and what are physics? Metaphysics, frequency, energy, vibration. I do it all the time. I've, I literally manifest, I've manifested everything I have in my life since age of 15. I'm 62. Everything I've done, I've manifested because of how I think, not what I think.

• 3:30:25Speaker 05

  And I'm gonna give you a quick tutorial, everybody out there, this is free, no charge. Not a problem with that, I like helping people. So, when I, when I say, when I say manifesting, everybody thinks they know how to think because they're thinking. Actually, they're not really that, but from the ages of one to seven, we are in this hypnotic state called theta brainwaves, okay? Four to seven hertz, okay? And why are we in this hypnotic brain state of, these brainwave state? Because we have to learn the rules of society, how to live in a family. Oh yeah, we need to know how to communicate. So we gotta learn a language, right? Multiple languages, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so we have a lot to learn, so we have to be a sponge.

• 3:31:08Speaker 05

  And that, that goes on between the ages of one and seven.

• 3:31:11Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:31:12Speaker 05

  Right. So after that, we go into a more critical mindset. So around eight onward into our teenage years, late teenage years, we're in alpha brainwaves, right? So we're more analytical, more critical thinking. And then, like, right now, you and I are sitting here at a, I'm gonna say roughly 25 hertz, in beta frequency, beta, right? So we're, we're listening, we're, we're kinda studying, we're cataloging thoughts, you know, we're acting, going, okay, do I really wanna remember that? No, throw that out. I do wanna remember that, this long-term, short-term memory. There's a lot of things going on inside the supercomputer up here. But, uh, um, but we're definitely, definitely very vulnerable at one to seven.

• 3:31:53Speaker 05

  The problem is that age one to seven, who's, who's changing, who's teaching yourself everything? Your mom and dad, right? Um, your teachers, the news, your friends, everybody's telling you what to think. Like, you know, uh, hey, if you, if you masturbate, you're gonna go blind, right? Age of seven, like, okay, I won't do that, right? Who said, who made that shit up, right? Right? But, but if you never challenge it, you grow up thinking the same thing, and you pass it on to your kids, right? Stop jacking off till you're like eight. Right, right. I don't know. Uh, but, so what happens is, it becomes, um, programmed into you, it becomes a program. And, and that's the program you run subconsciously until you consciously challenge it. Go, wait, why do I believe this again? You start thinking about, like, who told me that? My mom said that.

• 3:32:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's a figure of authority, but she was way off on that one, right? So then you go, damn, but all these years, I've been making all these decisions with all this bad data that I know is bad. Now I know I can't get up the hill, right? So you have to, you have to challenge paradigms, you have to ask yourself, do I believe this why? You know, and if not, then I need to change how I think about this, or just discard all that, right? So, um, it's part of our programming. So, that doesn't mean you're locked into program. The Jesuits, the Jesuits said, if you give me your children from the ages of one to seven, I'll show you the man. Cause they know, you're programmed from one to seven, they'll, they know what you're gonna grow up to be like. What kind of, what kind of person you're gonna be. For example, there's a thing called download hypnosis.

• 3:33:25Speaker 05

  Usually it's between the first two years. So who are you closest to in the first two years? Mom, right? She's calling you, you know, trying to feed you, you know, you might be close to your siblings too, because they're taking care of you while mom's cooking. You know, maybe dad comes around and goes, what's that? Oh, yeah, I made that. Oh, yeah, right. So I don't know. But so you you download behavior from the ones you're closest to in the first two years. So if your mom's always, you know, you know, chicken shit, you know, screaming, hollering about bugs and this and that, you know, she's just, you know, really compulsive, you know, OCD or whatever. Uh, and maybe, you know, the other kids are a bunch of lunatics, you know, there's a pretty good chance that's what you're going to turn into, right? So you're gonna have this, you're gonna uh, adopt the same behaviors. But that doesn't mean you're locked into them for life.

• 3:34:09Speaker 05

  What happens is at some point, if you want to make a change, you have to stop and go, you know what? Why do I believe this? And you have to challenge everything you ever believed, right consciously? So your consciousness, and by the way, the consciousness, uh, let's call it the front of the brain, that's responsible for filtering and analyzing information. That's it, filtering and analyzing, right? That's it. That's all it does. What is that? Filtering, analyzing? And then it decides, does it want to keep it or not? Uh, if you want to keep that information, you go, yeah, it's valid. Then what happens is it goes to the subconscious, which is actually the mind. So where's the mind? Huh? It's not up here. It's not in the brain because the brain and mind are not together. Everybody conflates them, but they're not. So the mind is where? It's throughout your entire nervous system, all the way down to the DNA and also outside the body.

• 3:34:53Speaker 05

  So think of the subconscious as like the supercomputer. It's the repository for all of information experiences you've ever had in your life. It's all in there, right? It's just a function of how do I get that information out because I need it? So the consciousness does only one thing. It just filters, analyzes information, and that's it consciously. It's the subconscious we've got to dig into and go, you know what? I'm running some software and it's bullshit, you know? And I got to download or offload it and but the problem is it's already written into the hard drive and I got to overwrite it because I can't remove it, right? That's the problem, like training, for example. That's why when you train, you should train very slow, right? Do it properly, perfectly beginning and the speed will naturally come. If you try to rush at something, you build mistakes into a technique, guess what? You can't undo the techniques. You can only overwrite them, which means more work.

• 3:35:39Speaker 05

  So the, you know, the subconscious, like I said, it's a, it's a quantum computer, computer 100 times X, you know? It runs off of energy, bioelectricity, that's what it functions off of, right? It needs that, right? It's like a computer. So, um, so we're not necessarily locked into our way of thinking until we actually challenge our way of thinking, right? And then we ask ourselves, why am I thinking this? I'm thinking this, this, and this, because this is what my teacher said, this is what the news says, this is what my mom and dad said. They're all wrong, right? And so now I've got to make, I gotta do a paradigm shift. Okay, what's the right answer? And then that becomes the new program. So you have to start with a conscious paradigm shift and reprogram the subconsciousness. The subconsciousness controls 95% of our behavior every day.

• 3:36:23Speaker 05

  95% of our behaviors control subconscious. You're driving a car, you're walking, right? You're not thinking about it, you're just doing it, right? 95% of everything we do, we're not even thinking about, we're just doing it. 5% of the time we're conscious, uh, conscious thought. The reason we can do all those things like walk, drive, jump, all those things is because we programmed ourselves at one point in our life. We learned how to, you know, crawl, grab a couch, stand up, scoot around, you know, straddle, and oh, I'm walking, I'm balancing. Okay, now I'm running, now I'm running and jumping, right? And chewing gum, right? So we just keep building on the program. And then you can't forget the program, you can't forget how to walk. I doubt you can forget how to drive a car, you can't, you can't forget how to swim. These are programs that are, that are instilled in us. But the programs that we can change are the programs of thought, right?

• 3:37:06Speaker 05

  So things that we install consciously about something, um, bad information, we can change that. We just got to challenge it, ask ourselves why, and then recognize that it's bullshit. And then basically overwrite it with something that's not bullshit. So.

• 3:37:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:37:22Speaker 05

  But so again, my third time coming back to the topic, right? I told you.

• 3:37:27Danny Jones?

  So you think, do you think we have a soul? Like you think the, like the energy that comes out that is a part of us, our conscious beings is like a, some, is some version of a soul, right? That can leave and go back into the universe and then?

• 3:37:39Speaker 05

  Soul is energy.

• 3:37:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:37:41Speaker 05

  Your soul is energy, it's frequency, right? That's what I believe. And, uh, this is why I believe that we never die. Because I believe we always exist and, and this is why, for me personally, um, I try to be the best version of myself I can be. I try to do the right thing. I'm not perfect, but I try to be a good person, try to do the right thing. Why? Because I know my dad's watching.

• 3:38:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:38:02Speaker 05

  Right, and I would never, I'm never, I'm not gonna do something I wouldn't do around my dad. Right, uh, my dad is, keeps me morally aligned, so to speak, you know? And, um, so I assume my dad's always watching and I think he, I know he is. Nobody actually dies, it's just that our energy is now transferred into another state, right? To, to the ether, but, because you can't destroy it. Um, this is why, but if you think about, and the Bible talks about reincarnation, or used to, right? Um, you're gonna come back, you can come back again, live again. Well, how is that possible? Well, frequency energy, spirit comes back and goes, just, the body is nothing more than a vessel. And I, I, I'm starting to really believe that we are just a, a universal consciousness.

• 3:38:47Speaker 05

  Experiencing the human condition. What's it like to be a human?

• 3:38:50Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:38:50Speaker 05

  That's what I do believe. I know that sounds, for most people, that would sound like really wacky, but here's the problem with, you know? I'm not saying people can't understand it, but it's so fantastic, like, that's just bullshit, right? Because, because everybody's been incarcerated to think a certain way today, right? Um, and so if you show, you show anything that's not mainstream, but is legit and valid, most people won't accept it.

• 3:39:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:39:16Speaker 05

  Just because they, they don't have the, either the intellectual capacity to get their head around it, or they're too lazy, or it's just not worth their time right now, right? And this is why, at my age, I, I told you earlier, I'm very passionate about longevity because, you know, I'm sixty-two, man, I, you know, I don't, I'm not ready to go, I got a lot I wanna do. And, uh, and I, in my mind, I already know I'm gonna live to be a minimum of one hundred years old. And again, people go, "Wow, good luck with that." Well, let me tell you something else. So it's predicted now that if you're still alive in the next five years, very good chance you'll live to be a hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty years old. How is that possible? Because the advancement of AI and medical treatments and things like that, they think it's very possible that we can live longer, because our body can live longer, right?

• 3:40:00Speaker 05

  The only reason we die is because our telomeres keep shortening, right? Right, so, so if we can link the telomeres, and by the way, that is possible, because there are some animals that can actually extend them or reproduce them.

• 3:40:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:40:11Speaker 05

  So.

• 3:40:12Danny Jones?

  Well, it's crazy, because human beings, we have the same lifespan now that we did in antiquity. It's crazy. We just don't die from, you know, accidents or as much hand to hand combat or plague or famine anymore because, you know, our society is so advanced.

• 3:40:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:40:25Danny Jones?

  But it's wild that like hu- our species, exactly as it is now, we look the same as we did in antiquity, thousands of years ago. And in a vacuum, without any external influences, which were more of back then, obviously, we have the same exact lifespan.

• 3:40:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:40:40Danny Jones?

  Wild.

• 3:40:41Speaker 05

  Well, we're, you know, from a biological perspective, we can live longer. We're designed to live a little bit longer. And from a religious perspective, we had people live a 600, 700 years, right?

• 3:40:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:40:51Speaker 05

  In the Bible.

• 3:40:52Danny Jones?

  Would you want to live that long? Would you want to live hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years?

• 3:40:57Speaker 05

  Check it out. So this is another thing.

• 3:40:59Danny Jones?

  Think about that. That's like, that's like, you know, the, one of the fundamental pillars of being a human being and, and the drives that it takes to do anything in life, to any, any endeavor you want to pursue is, is we have a finite lifespan and we want to achieve X, Y, Z in that lifespan and be remembered for that. Like the very, even the, the, the fundamental archetype of a hero, right, is risking your life for the greater good. Well, if you're going to live forever, there's no risks.

• 3:41:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:41:32Danny Jones?

  There's no more heroes.

• 3:41:34Speaker 05

  All right. Well, look at this. So just in the last couple of years since AI has come out, right? It's like going like really fast, man. AI now knows, it's aware of itself. So think about it like this. It's also predicted that around the age, around the years of 2050, 2060, that you will be able to upload your mind into a hard drive.

• 3:41:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:41:57Speaker 05

  Okay. Now think about that for a minute. All right. Your mind into a hard drive. Now,

• 3:42:04Speaker 05

  listen, we're going to back it up. We're going to put a couple of hard drives in different places, just in case, right? And say, in case we lose one.

• 3:42:09Danny Jones?

  Put one on the moon.

• 3:42:10Speaker 05

  But so if you could, so now look at robots. Look at how advanced robots are.

• 3:42:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:42:15Speaker 05

  Man, those things are really like human, like fast jump. They do fast reflexes. And now they're, they're, you know, they're making.

• 3:42:22Danny Jones?

  Now robots are killing people.

• 3:42:24Speaker 05

  Well, and they're making biological, bioidentical skin cells, right? So I believe the day of the android is near. It's coming. The day when we have androids that you can't tell from a real human is coming. I believe so. And so think about it like this.

• 3:42:40Danny Jones?

  Sex bots.

• 3:42:41Speaker 05

  Well, check it out. So let's just say, okay, you know, I've updrived, I uploaded my, my mind in a hard drive. And my physical body's done, it was, it went to tap out. I upload my, I take my hard drive and install it into a computer, a robot.

• 3:42:56Danny Jones?

  Here, push a little, little closer.

• 3:42:57Speaker 05

  Oh, sorry, sorry. And I, and I live in a, and I live in a computer, I mean, a robot.

• 3:43:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:43:01Speaker 05

  Think about that, that robot, so even the robot eventually breaks down, you just take it out and put another robot, new advanced mod, model. So, but here's the thing, because everything's energy, even your mind is energy, right? It requires electricity. So, do you experience pain? If you touch a hot stove? No, your body don't, but your brain does. Your brain feels the pain. Your brain feels all the emotions. Your body doesn't feel anything. Right? Because you have, you have receptors throughout your body. So you touch a hot stove. What happens is, an afferent signal goes up to your brain, goes, hey, this thing I'm touching has a frequency of whatever through the charts. And your brain goes, yeah, that frequency is really high, we're going to third degree burn. It sends an a, a, a, afferent signal down, goes withdraw the hand, right?

• 3:43:45Speaker 05

  So, everything's run by the executive functions up here by the mind. So, we don't really feel pain or pleasure in our body. We feel only in our mind. So, I think it would be reasonable to say, okay, if I could put a hard drive with my mind into a computer, into a robot. That that robot would have all the feelings my human body had.

• 3:44:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:44:05Speaker 05

  Pain, pleasure, sex, everything would be the same because it's the mind, the brain, it's experience and all that. So, to ask, to answer your question, would I want to live forever? Yeah, because all that matters is as long as my mind's functioning, the body's gonna, it's just a vehicle to carry this thing around. But this is what's functioning. And, uh, and now think about that for a minute. You could just keep experiencing life and things that come with it and, you know, and, and family members and kids and, you know, and, and it's like, man, you can, you know.

• 3:44:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's a weird question, right? Like, would you want to live forever? Well, I can tell you for a fact, I don't want to die right now.

• 3:44:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:44:40Danny Jones?

  You know, I want to live for the foreseeable future. I want to see my kids grow up. You know, ask me when I'm a hundred. I mean, I don't want to be like a decrepit old, you know, immobile, suffering, old man for the, for eternity. If I could be the same version of myself I am right now, living the life I am right now, yeah, hell yeah, I'd want to do this forever.

• 3:44:59Speaker 05

  Well, I tell you what, what happens is, when you get my age, and you've seen things I've done, and see.

• 3:45:07Speaker 05

  You don't really appreciate life until it's almost over, right? Um, everybody takes living for granted, like they're gonna be here tomorrow, next year, right?

• 3:45:18Speaker 05

  I don't know how many people I know, friends and family, that thought the same thing and gone, just like that. All right, um, it can happen at any moment. So, when you're facing a scenario where you're, you might lose your life in it right now, it's like, it's really gonna be close. You start looking at life a little bit differently. You start appreciating, oh shit, man. There was a study that was done on guys around my age, and the question was, um, at your age,

• 3:45:50Speaker 05

  what is your biggest regret? And seventy-six percent of the respondents said they regretted having not lived a life fulfilled. In other words, they didn't go do all the things they wanted to do, like, you know, yeah, I wanted to go skydiving one time, but I didn't get around to it. I wanted to go do scuba diving, I didn't get around to it. I want to have a three-way, but my wife wouldn't play, you know, there's all these things, right? You know, what-if shit, right? And so, and then they get up here and they're like, ah, man, you know, they have some regrets. They did the same study to people that were like on their deathbed last, uh, you know, last leg of life. And ninety-nine percent responded the same thing. They regret not having lived a life fulfilled.

• 3:46:30Speaker 05

  What a tragedy, you know, what a tragedy, that, you know, people have to die and feel like they just didn't live the life that they wanted, and it didn't feel fulfilled. Yeah, we all, there's good, there's highs and lows, we, you know, we all have a, I think most people will go out and go, yeah, I had a pretty good life, it's not ideal, I would have liked it in this, but I didn't do that. Well, why not? Why don't you do the things you want to do? Right. You know, why, why didn't you do them, right? And so, then all the, you know, all the excuses, I call them dream killers come out. Well, you know, I was married, you know, I had kids, I had kids in college, I had a boss, I had to work, I had blah blah, you know, there's all these excuses, right? And, uh, and this is why most people will live a life unfulfilled, unfortunately. And, uh, it's really a function of, if you want to live a life fulfilled.

• 3:47:13Speaker 05

  First of all, be grateful for what you have right now, every day. Be grateful for what you have, and even what you don't have.

• 3:47:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:47:19Speaker 05

  So what? If you're living on the street, be grateful you're living on the street right now. At least you're still living and you have an opportunity to rise up, right?

• 3:47:27Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:47:28Speaker 05

  Um, I also tell, especially my wife sometimes, she gets a little aggravated about something and I just tell her, I said, hey baby, so listen, imagine right now, there's somebody in a hospital bed somewhere, probably many around this world, that would gladly trade places with you. They're dying, they would gladly be in your place and have your little problem right now.

• 3:47:47Danny Jones?

  Fuck yeah.

• 3:47:48Speaker 05

  So, remember, remember what you got, be grateful for what you got, what you have. It's one of the most important, every day I wake up,

• 3:47:56Speaker 05

  I, to myself, you know, I meditate and I'm grateful and I say it, I'm grateful for my life, my health, my wealth, my family, my, all my things, I'm grateful for everything in the here and now, even everything I don't have. Um, and I keep a positive, because I am grateful for that, because it could be much worse, you know? I mean, it could be much worse. I mean, I'm a guy that, I don't answer to anybody, man. For 25 years now, I've been living on my own, work for myself, I got three homes, three countries, three families, I do what I want. It's like, I got a lot of freedom, I'm not completely free, well, none of us are. IRS still got a hand on me, US government's got a hand, there's people got hands on me, right? But, uh, but I do have some, some, uh, you know, latitude to move.

• 3:48:36Speaker 05

  But I try to be grateful for what I have and, and that's positive, that's positive energy. And when you're grateful and you're positive, actually you'll start to attract more positive energy. Right? You've probably heard of the law of attraction before, everybody says it, but a lot of people don't, don't know what that means. Um, even Albert Einstein said, "Everything that you want already exists." See, time is really relative. In fact, time is a man-made construct. We made that, right? So just think of, just think if there was no time, right? And every day was just another day. I think we live a lot, we'd be a lot happier, but because we created this timeline, like shit, I'm 62, they say I got till like 76, I got a lot of shit to get done, you know, I hope I'm healthy before then. So we put a lot of pressure on ourselves with a stupid clock, right?

• 3:49:20Speaker 05

  In fact, who was it? Somebody said, uh, Mark Twain, I think, said, you know, uh, they just manufactured time because they wanted to sell clocks, somebody did, right? So, I was selling clocks, right? Um, but I think, um,

• 3:49:36Speaker 05

  Longevity is something that I'm very interested. I think we can live a lot longer. I would love, I would like to keep going on. I would like to program myself to live longer and I do it every day just with my meditation. I tell myself I'm healthy, I'm happy. I see myself lifting weights, running. I see myself outperforming any guy my age and most guys half my age. No doubt about it, right? I see that. I feel like that. I think like that. And you know, of course, I supplement. You know, I'm not gonna say I don't supplement and probably go, why he's taking steroids? I'm taking steroids. Yes, I'm taking TRT. And so, I have no problem with that, you know, admitting that because that's, that's another stupid stigma.

• 3:50:15Danny Jones?

  Most people are now. That's become very popular.

• 3:50:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's a stupid stigma, right? Because, oh, yeah.

• 3:50:20Danny Jones?

  You think it is still?

• 3:50:21Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 3:50:22Danny Jones?

  I think it's, yeah. No, I know. I definitely know what you mean by that.

• 3:50:25Speaker 05

  I hear it.

• 3:50:25Danny Jones?

  Is everything okay? Oh, okay.

• 3:50:27Speaker 05

  But, um.

• 3:50:28Danny Jones?

  The problem is, is so many young people are getting into it, like, just like in their early twenties, you know, before their like brains.

• 3:50:33Speaker 05

  That's not, that's not a good idea.

• 3:50:35Danny Jones?

  You know, a lot of people just don't know what they're fucking doing. Like, I know a lot of kids in the gym that just fucking buy that shit from some guy behind the gym. Never get their blood work done. Don't monitor shit. Don't know what's going on. Everybody's like, fuck it. But you know, what, fuck, each their own, you know? I mean, a lot of guys have been super successful doing that. But, you know, I think it's really important to like, keep track of the shit that's good. Keep track of your blood work and make sure you know what the fuck's going on inside your body.

• 3:50:56Speaker 05

  I think, I think, you know, look, I'm not opposed to modern medicine, allopathic medicine, although I'm a naturopath. Um, there's, there's, there's a place for everything, you know? And now, you know, allopathic medicine, they call alternative medicine, complementary medicine, complement, actually, no, actually, uh, natural medicine, naturopathy was actually, um, that was actually conventional medicine, right? That's actually the real medicine. Allopathic is just. I don't even wanna call augmentation because it's just a mixture of shit they put together, but you're still using a lot of natural stuff to make it. But I don't see anything wrong with people, um, you know, taking supplements.

• 3:51:39Speaker 05

  Of course, you should take vitamins and, and all those types of things. If you, if you're, I think for sure, if you're a guy that's more than 45, you should consider testosterone replacement therapy, you know, do it under, you know, supervision of us. I would say a sports medicine doctor or an open minded doctor because not all are.

• 3:51:55Danny Jones?

  It's crazy how stigma, you're, you're right. Definitely it is stigmatized within primary healthcare physicians like now. And any PCP you go to, they're gonna be like, what?

• 3:52:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:52:03Danny Jones?

  No, not unless your testosterone's in like the 200s.

• 3:52:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:52:07Danny Jones?

  You know, if you have, if you have less testosterone than a teenage girl, maybe we'll give it to you.

• 3:52:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:52:11Danny Jones?

  But like in Europe, they prescribe it for like ADD and stuff.

• 3:52:14Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, it's, it's amazing, man. I've been, I've actually supplemented for a while, about 13 years, I think. And, but I do it.

• 3:52:20Danny Jones?

  A lot of jujitsu guys do it.

• 3:52:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. And look, it, it, it's already been proven, man. It does, it helps your muscles grow back, it repairs damage cognitively, man. Guys on TRT and testosterone don't have heart attacks. Although there's lawyers out there that are just trying to sue these guys, bullshit. Um, studies have proven that guys are on TRT are not getting heart attacks. If you're working out, you're training, you're on TRT.

• 3:52:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. TRT, a big difference between like blasting, you know,

• 3:52:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:52:45Danny Jones?

  50 different fucking things like DECA and you know, a thousand fucking milligrams of testosterone a week, like.

• 3:52:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:52:52Danny Jones?

  It can, it can get dicey, you know, up in those realms. And then again, like even with like athletes, you know, guys who are playing in the NFL, who are playing games and practicing a game once a week and like four practices a week, running full speed into other guys, destroying their bodies. They need these kinds of things to perform.

• 3:53:11Speaker 05

  Well.

• 3:53:12Danny Jones?

  I think all sports, they should just be full, you know, full bore, allowed to do everything as long as it's monitored, you know?

• 3:53:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, the thing, the thing with, with steroids, um, testosterone.

• 3:53:23Speaker 05

  You know, there is this stigma still about it. I see it all the time. You'll see some. I got videos of a dude that's 99 years old, another one is 90 years old, 89 years old, 80 years old, 70 years old. These dudes are jacked, man. I mean.

• 3:53:37Danny Jones?

  Really? That old?

• 3:53:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude. And I read the comments and like, yeah, he's taking steroids. Like, you know what? Shut up, you freaking pussy, man. Because you know what? When I'm 99 years old, and if I can look like this at 99 years old, and I'm still getting more trim than you are, and I can still do my job or whatever it is I want to do, so what? I'll be augmenting. Because all you're doing when you're taking testosterone replacement, you're just putting it back in your body when it's no longer manufacturing on its own anymore, right? That's all you're doing. But you still have to do the work. You still gotta lift the weights.

• 3:54:12Danny Jones?

  I mean, it's gonna be, it's gonna get to the point, I would imagine, in the next few decades, few hundred years, that it's gonna be probably mandatory for people. Just with the way testosterone and sperm counts have been plummeting since the 50s with industrialization and all this monocrop agriculture and glyphosate being sprayed everywhere. Plastic is everywhere. You can't escape plastic.

• 3:54:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:54:36Danny Jones?

  So like, you know, imagine what that's gonna look like in a couple hundred years. Testosterones are gonna be, are gonna be non-existent from the jump.

• 3:54:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're right. In the last, so in the last 20 years, the average guy's testosterone level has dropped to 50%, half of what his grandfather's was. Right? Think about that. So that's interesting. What's happening here? Here's another observation.

• 3:54:59Speaker 05

  There's a lot of people, there's a lot of homosexuals out here. More than I've ever, like, where do they come? They just crawl on the woodwork, right? So is it because they choose to be homosexual? Or is there another, maybe a biological genetic aspect to this thing? And here's my opinion. I believe a lot of this craziness we see today, you know, these psychoses, you know, all this weird stuff, man, just, you know, people, you know.

• 3:55:26Speaker 05

  Destroying their bodies, changing their sex and all this stuff, right? I think there's a component that has in it that has something to do with our food and plastics and various types of xenoestrogens that are out there. I believe there's something chemically altering us because what is it? The frog study they did, they got a

• 3:55:43Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:55:44Speaker 05

  Right?

• 3:55:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:55:45Speaker 05

  So that's, that's a great example.

• 3:55:46Danny Jones?

  Gay frogs?

• 3:55:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, the gay frogs, right? And so I, I do honestly believe because for example, in this water bottle right here, right? So it's plastic, but guess what? This plastic is leaching off into this water. Xenoestrogens, right? It's an estrogen. It's a, yeah, exactly, but an estrogen. And so when you and I drink this bottle with, with xenoestrogens in it, it has the same effect as our, as a regular human estrogen, right? The lock and key thing. And so suddenly, you know, we have this explosion of prostate cancer and breast cancer in a, particularly in the West, but we've also put everything into plastics, right? We eat plastic foods, plates, plastic wrappers.

• 3:56:30Danny Jones?

  Convenience.

• 3:56:30Speaker 05

  Everything's plastic, plastic, plastic. Oh, yeah. And then we get xenoestrogens from car fumes, car exhaust comes off of that. There's a lot of things out here polluting us with xenoestrogens. I believe, I believe somewhere in, in this, in this madness, you can blame estrogen, extra estrogen for all the craziness, even the psychologists, psychoses, we're starting to see people acting really weird. I believe there's a component that has to, related to our food, involved in all this. Because if you, if you, if you look at it like this, all right, in the turn of the industrial revolution, right? It was after the turn of the industrial revolution that we were able to process food. We were able to do all this stuff.

• 3:57:12Speaker 05

  That's all of a sudden when we started seeing, in fact, prior to that, maybe less than 5% of the American population would get cancer. And if they got cancer, it usually wasn't something, you know, that would kill them. Maybe it's a, you know, a wool, a mole and they just cut it off or some bullshit, right? But we didn't have the levels of cancer that we have today. Today, actually, one in every two people will get cancer. So 20 Years ago, when I got my PhD, it was one in four. So before that, it was five percent and it just keeps going up and up and up. And now we're at one in two. Uh, heart disease was not existed before the industrial revolution. It's the number one killer in America, right? Um, and then type two diabetes. Okay, I was watching a TV show is more bullshit, right?

• 3:57:55Speaker 05

  It was a commercial for drugs and it goes, yes, because type two diabetes is a hereditary. No, it's not. Who said that? The pharmaceutical company is not hereditary. I've had guys come to me, I got type two diabetes. I'll be on this drug for the rest of my life. I go, why? Because I got type two diabetes. I go, you know, you can cure yourself of type two diabetes. Yeah, you can get off that real fast. How about this? For the next three weeks, you don't eat any carbohydrates, any sugar.

• 3:58:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:58:19Speaker 05

  Just drink water.

• 3:58:21Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:58:21Speaker 05

  And meat, fat, right? Boom, done, right? So everybody's been brainwashed and thinking certain things are lies, right?

• 3:58:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:58:27Speaker 05

  So we've got what I call the four model nutritional diseases that all really has their, um, their impetus from the industrial revolution, especially as we move along here. So we've got, um, well, I mentioned type two diabetes, which is related to food. Um, and particularly sugar, sugar's, sugar's evil. Um, we've got, uh, um, cancer, obviously. Um, again, never was around before. Now it's all over the place. Then we've got, uh, um, heart disease. We've got, uh, the other one we have is, uh, ALS, uh, Alzheimer's. These different cognitive, uh, impairments, right? And so that's all new shit, right? And by the way, now there are actually some people quietly coming out and going, yeah, it's, uh, Alzheimer's actually type three diabetes, right?

• 3:59:08Speaker 05

  Type three diabetes is all related to sugar because actually your brain produces a little bit of insulin. It requires to turn, actually you just need glycogen. It doesn't need glucose or sugar, right? But what happens is just like anything else, we eat too many carbohydrates. We secrete too much insulin, then we douse all our cells with insulin. Cells become, um, resistant to it and then we, nothing happens, right? We used to get sick.

• 3:59:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:59:33Speaker 05

  So, you know, ALS, Alzheimer's, these are all tied to gut function.

• 3:59:36Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 3:59:37Speaker 05

  Um, if you look at the brain and the intestines, they look very similar. In fact, those are the two parts of the organs that developed first in vitro, right? Think about it, they're the two that they separate.

• 3:59:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:59:47Speaker 05

  Right? And so, and by the way, your, your gut lining produces at least half, if not more, of your dopamine and serotonin levels. Your feel-good hormones, right?

• 3:59:56Danny Jones?

  That's interesting.

• 3:59:57Speaker 05

  So if you're eating crappy food and you got leaky gut syndrome and all this irritated bowel syndrome, Crohn's, all this other shit, right? You think that maybe you're not getting the feel-good hormones you need and maybe that's why you're walking around with an attitude every day? You're not thinking clearly, you know, right? That's, there's a, there's a nexus between that. And here's the other thing, um, only 3% of the diseases that, human diseases are actually human diseases. They're just, everything else is a disorder. It's a disorder, even cancer's a disorder. It's not a disease, you don't catch it. And it's not by, and it's not hereditary, it's not congenital, you don't pass it on. There's no such thing as a cancer gene. But they keep telling you this shit. This is why I'm kind of glad RFK is kind of taking front on the point of this thing. I don't know if he's going to help us or save us much, but at least he gets it.

• 4:00:40Speaker 05

  And he's, he's like, this is all bullshit. And, you know, unfortunately, I've been preaching this stuff for a long time in my coaching programs because I know you, you can't develop this until you fix this, all of this, right? Um, you know, nutritionally, bioelectricity, um, everything that relates to your body's got to get fixed in order for your mind to function. So if you want to be successful, you got to change how you think from what you think. All this, we've been, we've been told that sugars are good, not too much fat, stay away from red meat, no salt, all this lies. Salt is good, good for you, it's not going to kill you. Cholesterol, cholesterol is bad, no cholesterol is good because cholesterol is bad, there would be no Eskimos. That's already been proven, right? So everything that told you was bad, just flip it over, go, yep, it's good, I'll eat that, right?

• 4:01:25Danny Jones?

  Yep, yeah, there's a lot of nuance to it, man. Everybody's different, everybody thrives on different diets, just depends on your lifestyle. And, uh, you know, as long as you're not eating processed garbage, that's, that's the biggest step for you. That's the biggest first step. Stop eating all the processed garbage, cooked food, eat raw foods and, and, uh, you know, that'll get you off to the races. But like, yeah, you know, I, I have a buddy who was just on here a couple of weeks ago, who's a, uh, he's been a power lifter his whole life. And he's now on this new thing called the sugar diet.

• 4:01:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, where he eats sugar. He eats fruit and candy and then a little bit of protein. And it's working great for him. He's getting super, he's getting super uh lean and and you know, he's uh, I think he's in his up in his mid 50s and he's in fucking phenomenal shape, lifts tons of, you know, lifts weight every day. His whole life, he's been a, you know, huge powerlifting guy. And he's tried every single diet that is known to man. And he thinks this is like, this is like the new next best thing. I haven't looked into it too deeply, so I don't know exactly, you know, the science behind how it works, but.

• 4:02:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'd be interested in that because here's what.

• 4:02:30Danny Jones?

  Same as Mark Bell.

• 4:02:31Speaker 05

  Here's what science does know.

• 4:02:34Speaker 05

  In order for cancer to thrive and survive, it needs two things. It needs an anaerobic environment, no oxygen. So if you're sedentary, not working out, you you're setting them up, cancer. And two, it needs sugar. Sugar is what it feeds off. It's its fuel source.

• 4:02:49Danny Jones?

  And carbohydrates.

• 4:02:50Speaker 05

  Sugar, right? Because carbohydrates breaks into sugar, right? Breaks down into glycogen, right? So that's what it thrives off. We're, we're actually not designed to eat carbohydrates. Now, that might sound crazy, but I follow, I follow a bunch of doctors out there that are really big into carnivore diet. I'm actually a carnivore guy. I do carnivore. Yeah, big time. I've been doing it for a couple of years. Never felt better in my life.

• 4:03:09Danny Jones?

  You don't eat any carbs?

• 4:03:11Speaker 05

  Now, I, now and then I do a little bit, cheap, but, but my body is now so much in ketosis. I'm sorry, yeah, I forgot where I'm at. My body's in such ketosis now, I could eat, I could eat junk food all day today, whole birthday cake, and tomorrow I'm still back into ketosis, still burning fat.

• 4:03:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's great. You gotta have that flexibility. You gotta be able to build that flexibility.

• 4:03:29Speaker 05

  But I don't do it. I don't do too much of that because I understand how bad sugar really is. It's super poisonous. It does a lot of things. It creates what's called advanced glycation end products. It's almost like glazing on your nerve endings. And this is why people have diabetes, their fingers and shit start rotting, falling off, right? They start, because their nerve endings are dying, right? So sugar does a lot of bad stuff. It causes you to retain water. As soon as I started the carnivore diet a couple of years ago, I weighed 210, and within six weeks, I lost 32 pounds. Dude, I was shredded. And it was all water. Most of it was water and fat. And I'm still pretty vascular because my whole body, my legs are just super vascular. And, and I feel thousand times better, man. Cognitively, I think better. My reflexes are

• 4:04:13Speaker 05

  better. Everything is just better, man, than, than any carbohydrates. When I was in Afghanistan, I was.

• 4:04:22Speaker 05

  Like I'd go to one camp, for example, on a regular basis and I stayed for two or three months and I had to eat their food, right? Because that's what you do. It's like, you know, you're my soldiers, I'm your commander and I gotta eat what you eat, right? So every day it was orange chicken, uh, it was orange chicken, um, cucumber slices, carrots, maybe a mango and water. That was a diet, right? Pretty damn good diet. I came back shredded, man. And I'd be back in the States within two weeks and all of a sudden I got fat, lazy. I was always lethargic, ah, brain fog, you know? It just messed me up.

• 4:04:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, I feel the same way when I travel. When I travel, whenever I go to, uh, you know, like Central America, Costa Rica for a week or two, I've, it's, it's day and night and you notice it. I notice it almost instantly. You know, even eating the garbage food there, like eating their pizza and their burgers, you feel, you don't feel like complete trash like you do when you eat shit here, man.

• 4:05:14Speaker 05

  Cause we put ingredients in our food that we get away with. They don't, they don't allow it, right? Like we're still doing, you know, the fluoride and all that crap, rat poison. Um, but yeah, so at the end of the day, man, so I think it's important that everybody takes care of their, their bodies. Um, there's no excuse not to, you know?

• 4:05:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, totally, man.

• 4:05:31Speaker 05

  Your fitness should be as high a priority as eating dinner, drinking water, taking a shit.

• 4:05:37Danny Jones?

  I agree.

• 4:05:38Speaker 05

  It's gotta be up there, right? You need to fit in there somewhere. Don't make excuses. Well, I, I work at work all day. No, that's not work. I, I actually did construction work during COVID. A friend of mine, man, he had a mega project, man, and he couldn't find anybody to work for him. Now I got stuck in the States because I couldn't travel back because of COVID restrictions. So I'm trapped here, right? With my wife, which is not a bad thing, I guess, um, in our home here. So the reason he couldn't find anybody to do any work is because Uncle Sam was giving out all these stimulus checks and all this, all this crap. These guys were making more money sitting on their ass playing video games than actually going out and working, right? So there's no incentive. So, but this project had a deadline on it and it was a big project. And, um, He's like, you wanna do some work? Construction? And I'm like, well, I got nothing else to do.

• 4:06:21Speaker 05

  I'm stuck in Panama City Beach for I don't know how long, you know? And he goes, I'll pay you, blah, blah, blah, you know, it'd be kinda fun, you know? Said, alright, why not? And I said, I'll help him out. Man, so I work construction. I'll tell you right now, hats off to construction workers, man. That's some ball busting shit.

• 4:06:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:06:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. But it was on Panama City Beach. We're actually building a deck. I forgot how many square feet it was. It was big, like 65,000 square foot deck. Uh, plant wood and concrete, massive. But it was on the beach and we're exposed to sunlight all day. The reflective light from the beach. Of course, I had to look at all the girls in the bikini's, but you know, it sucked. But, you know, day, I did that for like six months. I finally had to quit, man, because I went to kidney failure, I was so dehydrated.

• 4:07:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, shit.

• 4:07:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, man, I was like, whoa, shit, you know? Yeah, that's, yeah, it was hard work, man. So hats off, you know, on that, but, you know? But I still, even though I was doing construction working, work, at night I go home, eat my wife. I eat my wife.

• 4:07:15Danny Jones?

  That too.

• 4:07:16Speaker 05

  My wife would make dinner and I would eat dinner and eat her later. But then I would go to the gym every night. I still worked out, right? It was still part of the day.

• 4:07:23Danny Jones?

  Comes part of your life, man.

• 4:07:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. But, and most people can't get their head around that. And there's a difference between just working manually and actually going in and challenging all your body parts.

• 4:07:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:07:34Speaker 05

  And, and working them to failure, right? That's how you get growth. And it's already known that, you know, exercise is the best medicine, especially legs. Um, most people end up in like alternative living, you know, homes because why? They don't have any leg strength.

• 4:07:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:07:49Speaker 05

  They can't pick themselves up off the toilet. They can't get off the couch, right? So they're weak and so they end up in one of these, uh, these nursing homes. So take care of your legs, take care of your body. And it's, of course, take care of your mind.

• 4:07:59Danny Jones?

  Um, yeah, man. Well, listen, first of all, Dale Combs talked for president. Second of all, we just did four fucking hours.

• 4:08:09Danny Jones?

  That was fucking amazing, bro. I really appreciate you coming and telling all these stories and talking to me. This was, this has been a fantastic podcast. Tell people that are listening where they can find you on the internet, social media, get ahold of you, get your books, all that stuff.

• 4:08:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, so, uh, yeah, first of all, thank you for having me on. I really appreciate it, man. Um, I love doing this. I don't have to, but I like doing it, you know? Um, I live a good life. But, um, you can find me on Instagram, Official American Badass, Dale Comstock, Official American Badass. Um, I'm on LinkedIn, Dale Comstock, Normal Badass. No, uh, you find me on, you can just about find me anywhere. I think my phone numbers are out there, too. I don't, I'm not that private. I can't afford to be. Um, I can't hide anymore either. So, um, but, um, you can find me there on my website, DaleComstock.com. You can reach me directly through there. You can send me a message and I'll get it. And then I always answer my messages. Um, except the assholes. Hey, there you go.

• 4:09:01Danny Jones?

  Holy shit. Look at you.

• 4:09:02Speaker 05

  Good looking guy.

• 4:09:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, I forgot. You had the handlebar last time.

• 4:09:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I just, yeah.

• 4:09:06Danny Jones?

  You tamed it down a little bit.

• 4:09:07Speaker 05

  I had to fill it in, man, because you know what? I started getting comments, oh, he, he dyes his mustache. It's always somebody complaining. The homo's out there. So I, you know, I said, okay, I'll change a beer for them.

• 4:09:18Danny Jones?

  Fuck those pussies.

• 4:09:20Speaker 05

  But yeah, that's my other, that's my website. If anybody's interested, you can see stem cells. Um, I also, uh, we also provide stem cell therapy, very cheap, but good. Uh, again, FDA approved, IND. I do coaching, life coaching, do a lot of life coaching. I do a lot of business stuff, a lot of security stuff. I own several companies around the world. So I just do a lot of shit, man, you know? I don't sleep a lot, but I'm living life.

• 4:09:44Danny Jones?

  You got to, man. You are, uh, a hell of a fucking role model to look up to, brother.

• 4:09:49Speaker 05

  Appreciate it.

• 4:09:49Danny Jones?

  I appreciate you coming in and talking to me and, uh, for making the drive all the way down.

• 4:09:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, no worries, man. Thank you.

• 4:09:53Danny Jones?

  All right. Yeah, that's all, folks. Good night, everybody.