Pod Insights PBD Podcast "Trained As A Spy At 10” - Sex Trafficking Survivor Anneke Lucas NAMES Her Billionaire Abusers | PBD Podcast | Ep. 511 About this episode This intense and emotional interview with Patrick Bet-David and Anneke Lucas dives into shocking allegations surrounding global networks, human trafficking, and powerful elites.
Anneke shares her harrowing story of survival, detailing claims of abuse, manipulation, and mind control within a hidden, dark system.
This conversation sheds light on disturbing realities of missing children, corruption, and the complex psychology of healing after unimaginable trauma.
With names of prominent figures and institutions woven into her account, Anneke reveals a chilling perspective on the shadowy connections between wealth, power, and exploitation.
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0:39 Patrick Bet-David? I want to start off by saying this is a very disturbing, uncomfortable interview to watch. If you're watching this with your kids, they're 12, 10, 14 years old. This is not the one for them to watch. This is 18 and above. If later on you feel comfortable as a parent to have them watch it, do it. You're going to see every emotion in here. There was extreme tension in certain moments, tears, laughter, tension, debate. I had to bring my booker in, Tony, because some of the accusations that were made to clarify certain areas, and Tony came in here. Some of this, she shared some names she's never shared before. Two of the names that she was a sex worker for, I don't, you can't even say sex worker at 10 years old. It's human trafficking.
1:23 Patrick Bet-David? One of them she claims who was a powerful billionaire, you know, the name, that she would go to the Bilderberg event, party in Europe, and she had abusers who had sex with her at nine, 10, 11 years old. And she would come back and report these stories back to the billionaire. What that information was used for? You know, obviously your imagination can take it to wherever you want to take it. But Uh, the reason why I wanted to have this conversation is not, it's not, this is not a podcast you want to sit there and, "I can't wait to watch this one here." But I think we have to, because, you know, with the 359,000 missing children in America as of 2022, according to the FBI,
2:07 Patrick Bet-David? what else do we need to do? Just sit around and not talk about it? No, no, no. You know what? It's just too disturbing to watch. It's just too disturbing to watch. Someone's kid is missing. Do we not bring light to it? Do we not address it? I just feel it's our responsibility. And every once in a while, I do these because I think it's our responsibility to bring attention to it. And many of the positions that she took and claims she made, multiple were prime ministers, multiple were billionaires. These are her claims. And while we're going through it, she was pushed back on some of the claims. But I advise you to go to your own due diligence, your own research. While you're going through this, at the same time, while it's not easy to talk about these types of stories, uh, it takes a lot of courage to talk about it.
2:52 Patrick Bet-David? I also don't want to sit there and, you know, claim everyone's guilty. Uh, I believe innocent until proven guilty, but I believe go do your research and your own due diligence on the names that she's dropping. And that'll help you understand for yourself as well, if, especially if you're somebody that's interested in this specific is issue as much as I am. Uh, I do think it's something that we, we need to bring more attention to. Having said that,
3:19 Patrick Bet-David? enjoy this uncomfortable interview that I had with Annika Lucas.
3:27 Speaker 02 They wanted to control.
3:29 Patrick Bet-David? Who?
3:29 Speaker 02 Everybody.
3:35 Patrick Bet-David? Did you ever meet him?
3:36 Speaker 02 Meet him? Oh, yeah.
3:38 Patrick Bet-David? What was he like?
3:40 Speaker 02 Horrendous.
3:41 Patrick Bet-David? Unpack it.
3:42 Speaker 02 He loved being behind the scenes, creating this elite sex slave who was gonna make him millions.
3:50 Patrick Bet-David? It's a hundred and fifty billion dollar, your industry.
3:51 Speaker 02 No, no, this is a global elite network with specific people in it, and they're not all friends. So there can be infighting happening as well.
4:03 Patrick Bet-David? Mind control training at nine years old?
4:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:06 Patrick Bet-David? Why did they take you there?
4:08 Speaker 02 Um, a ritual.
4:10 Patrick Bet-David? Politically related or business?
4:12 Speaker 02 No, celebrity.
4:14 Patrick Bet-David? You've never talked about this.
4:15 Speaker 02 I've never said his name. I can't just flop these names out. I have to.
4:21 Patrick Bet-David? Would this be a person we would know?
4:23 Speaker 02 Definitely, you would know the name.
4:25 Patrick Bet-David? Alive or dead?
4:26 Speaker 02 I didn't think that this was gonna be the kind of conversation we were gonna have.
4:29 Patrick Bet-David? So the audience doesn't think I'm cornering you. You told Tony that you wanted to name names. I would.
4:34 Speaker 02 No, I didn't say that at all.
4:36 Patrick Bet-David? Come on, Tony. So when you told me, you said she said she wanted to name names that she's never named before.
4:41 Speaker 02 All right, I'll tell you something. I was trained as a spy. That week, I was sleeping with men and then I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual preferences.
4:51 Patrick Bet-David? Is that the?
4:53 Speaker 02 I'm not saying.
5:32 Patrick Bet-David? Okay, so today's story will be very uncomfortable to listen to, but it's a story that we all must be willing to have the courage and the toughness to listen to. Some stories, you're just like, ma'am, I have so many things going on in my life. I don't want to hear a story like this. But it's happening. In America, according to the FBI, there are 359,094 entries for missing children as of 2022. We don't hear a lot about it. You know, when we had George Floyd incident, everything shut down. Every mainstream media talked about it. $2 billion of damages, local business owners. It had to be on all of our minds. But here's a question for you. 359,000 children.
6:17 Patrick Bet-David? Missing. Tell me what's more important than talking about something like that? No one wants to talk about it. Why? Ah, it's uncomfortable. The audience doesn't want to hear this story. Come on, just leave it alone. Let's talk about politics and Trump and economy and all this other stuff. We chose to talk about it. And today's guest is a brave woman who has been talking about this for the last 11 years. Some of you may have heard her story before. Uh, some of you may have not. There are certain things she's gonna say today she's never said before. And that takes a lot of courage to take, but uh, I'm uh, I'm uh, looking forward to having this conversation with Annika Lucas. Thank you so much for being here with uh, with us on the podcast.
6:52 Speaker 02 My pleasure.
6:54 Patrick Bet-David? So, um, I go through the story. And for a person that reads this, you think it's a movie. You don't think it's real. When it says trafficked as a young child at six years old, sold by her own mother to Belgian pedophile ring. And you counted the number of hours you were raped. That I saw, and you, your words when you say this. Six hours a week, 1,716 hours before the age of 12. I listened to that. I'm like, that is unbelievable to hear someone go through it. But that's your life. So if you don't mind, and I know this is not easy to do. If you don't mind taking a few minutes and sharing with the audience your story, and I will take it from there.
7:38 Speaker 02 A few minutes.
7:40 Patrick Bet-David? We'll be together for two hours, but the story.
7:43 Speaker 02 Okay. Yes, essentially, my mother was um, mentally ill, I guess. Um, never diagnosed. And she was single at first. And I was abused um, very early on. She was married when I was three. And then um, first, this couple came um, into our, into our lives. Uh, the, the woman was the cleaning lady. And uh, she and her husband would take me on outings when I was five. Had started. And um, so that went on for a whole year. I didn't like them. I never wanted to go. I had to, my mother had my brother then.
8:19 Speaker 02 And um, after a year, they took me, um, well, they took me to an event. And it was immediately extreme. It was in a castle. It was horrific.
8:40 Speaker 02 And um.
8:44 Speaker 02 My mother, my mother, I tried to tell her that bad things had happened, you know, I didn't have the, the language, obviously. It was just around my sixth birthday. And um. My mother then took over from these pimps. She then started driving me to locations. She would receive a call. She would drive me. I found out later that she was paid.
9:08 Speaker 02 And um. These were in Belgium. For three years, I was just trafficked in Belgium. And the head of that, I call it the network in Belgium, was the Minister of National Defense at the time, Paul van den Buynens. And um. He used the children to get new people in and also to give them sometimes to really, you know, through blackmail.
9:37 Patrick Bet-David? You said he was the national defense. He became a two-time prime minister later on, right?
9:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
9:41 Patrick Bet-David? So this is before he serves as a prime minister.
9:45 Speaker 02 It might have been after also. He served twice, so yeah, I'm not sure.
9:48 Patrick Bet-David? Could have been before and after.
9:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
9:54 Speaker 02 Yep.
9:55 Patrick Bet-David? So at this point, when this is happening to you, you know who he is or you don't know who he is?
10:00 Speaker 02 No, I didn't know anybody at the moment. In the, at that time, I didn't know any, who anybody was. I had no idea.
10:08 Patrick Bet-David? How did you learn about who they were afterwards?
10:10 Speaker 02 In my adult life.
10:13 Patrick Bet-David? How, though?
10:14 Speaker 02 Well, they were very easy to find. Most of them were very easy to find. I would just, you know, if I remembered a name and just started remembering people, thanks to Google, really, just starting to Google and finding them very easily.
10:28 Patrick Bet-David? Just the faces you would recognize or what was the method?
10:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. Looking for their positions. I would know whatever I had, I would type that in and then usually they would come up right away. That was the surprise, that was the big surprise, really, that I had no idea that they were this prominent when I was a child.
10:46 Patrick Bet-David? And when this is happening to you at the time, they don't have a name. They're not coming to you with a name. You don't know who it is.
10:53 Speaker 02 Well, him, I called him Polo.
10:55 Patrick Bet-David? Polo.
10:55 Speaker 02 Polo, but his name is Paul. But there's other children that named him something else. So I called him Polo. And then some people, I knew their first name.
11:06 Speaker 02 But yes, they're very visible. Some, I've found out from quite a few perpetrators when they die, because then they're in the newspaper and I suddenly see their picture.
11:17 Patrick Bet-David? So how many of them you knew about when they were alive? You said that's this person, that's that person when they were alive?
11:24 Speaker 02 Well, actually, I've recognized quite a few when they died. And that's not only, I think, because I may have remembered certain things, but I may have not remembered who they were specifically to keep myself safe in some strange way. That the healing that then followed, I just understood that it wouldn't have been safe.
11:46 Speaker 02 I wouldn't have been able to keep myself safe, if that makes sense. Because the healing process is so involved. And it does, there are certain perpetrators I was very attached to emotionally. I know that may be very hard to understand and believe, but I was very attached emotionally to some of these, which were like fathers.
12:14 Patrick Bet-David? What was your relationship with your father like?
12:16 Speaker 02 Well, my biological father, I didn't meet until much later. I never met him.
12:22 Patrick Bet-David? How old were you the first time you met him?
12:24 Speaker 02 Eighteen. And so, so he didn't recognize me. And then my stepfather was the man who closed his eyes to all my mother's activities. And they, so my brother is his. And I think the reason my brother wasn't trafficked was maybe because he was clearly more interested in my brother. So he just really closed his eyes. But I did try to tell him, and I write that in my book, by the way. I did try to tell him, and he didn't believe me when I was a child. So my mother would, he was away a lot. He was a cameraman, he was traveling a lot. But when he was there, she would literally get out of their bed.
13:07 Speaker 02 And then I would be ready in my bed. And then she would let the car drive down. Just let it, let it, let it, um, without turning on the engine. Um, just to be quiet. And then at the, at the bottom of the driveway, she would start the motor and she would drive me to events. And then she would pick me up around dawn. That was how it usually worked. Um, and he was asleep in bed. And, um, you know, I thought later, maybe he thought she was having affairs. She was doing that also, but he never wondered. And she made up stories also about what had happened to me.
13:51 Speaker 02 For example, um, at one point she started saying that I was a real tomboy. And then I was climbing in trees, which I never did. And I was not a tomboy. But, um, she was saying that because I was covered in, in blues, in bruises. And so that explained it. And then he accepted whatever she said.
14:10 Patrick Bet-David? When your mom is dropping you off or picking you up, the first time this happened, how was she explaining to you? Like, are you pleading and saying, Mom, please don't take me anymore to a place like this? I don't want to go there. And if you said that, what did she tell you?
14:29 Speaker 02 Well, I think my mother's a psychopath. That she really had one victim, that was me. So I was an extension that deserved all her wrath. So I, um, I've said I wasn't gonna go. And she dragged me by my hair, um, one time. But most of the time, because I was the, her little helper, I was trying to please her more than anything. And then my mother was extremely sadistic.
14:59 Patrick Bet-David? But did you ever plead and say, Mom, please don't take me today? Please don't take me today?
15:03 Speaker 02 I said, I, I, I once said, I'm not going.
15:06 Patrick Bet-David? And what she tell you?
15:07 Speaker 02 She dragged me by my hair.
15:13 Speaker 02 She would get very anxious before we left. But of course I was gonna go. I mean, you understand, children, you have children. You, children are gonna do whatever. You know, I was doing everything to please her. I was trying. She was the person I was most attached to. So I was trying to tell myself that she loved me because you have to know that you're loved as a child. And so I was trying to please her as much as possible. So most of the time, I wasn't gonna do anything against her. But there was another element is that with my mother, because she never saw me, she just saw whatever she saw was an extension,
15:55 Speaker 02 some, something that just was nothing, had nothing to do with me. Because she didn't see me at all, it was, I was receiving more reflection of things that were true about me by these pedophiles in the network, frankly, that were seeing intelligence or they were seeing beauty. And so at times, it was actually more comfortable. It was better to be in the network than to be with my mother. Because that constant projection of hers was very difficult to live with.
16:28 Patrick Bet-David? So this entire time, when you're, when she's dropping you off and picking you up,
16:34 Patrick Bet-David? you're not controlled, like it's, you know, you see it in the movies, where the owner has you in a room upstairs and people come in and out and they handle their business and you're away from mom and dad. That's not the case. This is mom is dropping you off and coming to picking you up at dawn.
16:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, so it was different in that way that my mother was not in the network herself, although she wanted to. She looked up to these people. She would have done anything to belong. But because I think her particular way that her mental illness showed, she was almost too enthusiastic. She would not have been able to keep the secret. So she didn't get in. But it was as if she was envious that I was. It was, it was as if she was sending me in her stead, that she would have wanted that kind of sexual attention. That's really what she wanted all the time, the sexual attention.
17:23 Patrick Bet-David? How was her, her relationship with her mom and dad?
17:27 Speaker 02 She was born in thirty-nine, before the war. Her mother died when she was five, just after the war. And so her father, whom I did know, he was inappropriate. He did one thing to me that was inappropriate. So...
17:49 Patrick Bet-David? Her father, your grandfather?
17:51 Speaker 02 So she grew up in a town in Belgium during the war, in her early years during the war, and then lost her mother at a very early age. And I can only assume that there was sexual abuse happening because that's how she always acted. I have gone through more than thirty years of healing from sexual abuse, all kinds of sexual abuse. And so that journey of healing, which is really, you know, what makes me aware of these things, that's, you know, she acted like someone who was sexually abused and had never understood that she was more than that. You know, when you get as a child, there's something that happens when you're a child and you're innocent and you're the light of God and you are innocent.
18:35 Speaker 02 And your innocence is your true self. That's who you are. That's your light. And when you are sexually abused, it's like you feel that you've lost that innocence and that you could never have it back. There's a... The trauma of sexual abuse is such that, you know, when trauma means you're gonna hope, you wish that it was yesterday if there's a big loss. You just want it to be the day before when this hadn't happened yet. You just wanna go back. With sexual abuse, it's like they steal your light. They steal your life. They steal your innocence. And you feel that you've lost it because you're a child
19:20 Speaker 02 and you don't know that you don't deserve this because you assume that you did. And then...
19:26 Speaker 02 There are children that can never get back to that light. And the network and the way that the network operates is all to keep you in the dark. And it's run by people that are not in touch with themselves on that pure level, on that level of, "I am light, I am a child of God." And when that's lost, when the abuse gives this message that I am,
19:57 Speaker 02 I have to put out sexually in order to be loved.
20:01 Speaker 02 Then you get this message, then that's how you get validated. That's how you want your attention. And my mother acted like that, like someone who had no connection to herself and who was just constantly, constantly trying to get sexual validation from all men.
20:18 Patrick Bet-David? So you and your mother, from six years old till, what age was it?
20:22 Speaker 02 Till? Eleven.
20:23 Patrick Bet-David? Eleven years old. This is happening, when you're saying six hours a week, that's the specific number you gave?
20:29 Speaker 02 I gave that specific number, but it's obviously, it's an approximation. It wasn't every week and some, look, sometimes it wasn't every week, but other times, I was gone for the summer of 1972, I was gone two months from home. I wasn't home at all.
20:45 Patrick Bet-David? Where were you at? Were you with the traffickers?
20:48 Speaker 02 I was with the traffickers.
20:49 Patrick Bet-David? And your mom wasn't there with you?
20:50 Speaker 02 The first month, no. The first month, I was in the United States, being trafficked into the United States by a powerful billionaire who was basically triaging me and training me in his homes.
21:02 Patrick Bet-David? Who is this?
21:03 Speaker 02 I'm not saying who that is yet. I have to be careful what I say. I can't just flop these names out. I have to.
21:13 Patrick Bet-David? Would this be a person we would know?
21:15 Speaker 02 Definitely, you would know the name.
21:17 Patrick Bet-David? Alive or dead?
21:18 Speaker 02 Dead.
21:20 Speaker 02 He was, you know, he was taking me here. I was in the United States. So I was either in his homes, three of his homes I spent time in, or I was in the room in the daytime sometimes, in a bedroom. Or I was even at a family's near DC for a week. Basically parked in a family, nice family that treated me well, probably satanic family and that were very happy to do a favor for this man. And then I was, after that, was taken to Germany. And I was there for another month in a facility in Heidelberg for what was my mind control training. And this is 1972 when I was nine years old.
22:04 Patrick Bet-David? Mind control training at nine years old?
22:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:07 Patrick Bet-David? Why did they take you there?
22:09 Speaker 02 When I met this billionaire, so in 1972, you had the Bilderberg meeting that happened in Belgium. So for that event, Paul van den Buynan's made sure that he probably did many things around there. But basically to please this powerful American that was there for the Bilderberg meeting, he staged a ritual.
22:39 Patrick Bet-David? And so why would they need to train you though?
22:43 Speaker 02 The mind control training, he had plans for me.
22:49 Speaker 02 And, all right, I can say something.
22:56 Speaker 02 He had me in his homes and everything to get me used to the life of the elite, so that I would know how to eat, so that I would recognize good clothes, so that I would be comfortable in these environments.
23:15 Speaker 02 Alongside that, we went to one of the islands on the northeastern coast of the United States and saw there, and this was a Rothschild who was there.
23:27 Patrick Bet-David? Rothschild.
23:29 Speaker 02 A Rothschild, yeah.
23:30 Patrick Bet-David? And is this who you're talking about?
23:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I'm saying we were with Evelyn the Rothschild for one day only. And it was clear that this billionaire, who you would think is just as powerful as this Rothschild, was not as powerful in the network as he was. And he was asking for permission to make the star that he wanted to make of me. Well, he didn't want to make me into a star. He wanted to make me into an elite sex slave where I would become famous in France. And then with that role, I would attract the most powerful men in the world and I would be able to spy on them for him and so forth.
24:15 Patrick Bet-David? Is that David Rockefeller?
24:16 Speaker 02 I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I can't say this. All right.
24:26 Patrick Bet-David? The only reason I say that is because I pulled up the list from 2012 attendees and I went through all the guests on the right that says US from the Bilderberg meeting.
24:37 Speaker 02 Okay.
24:38 Patrick Bet-David? Rob, if you go a little bit lower and zoom in and you put US, yeah, right there, you'll see the names that shows. I know this is...
24:46 Speaker 02 Just give me a minute. Well, I can't lie, but it's scary.
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25:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, might as well.
25:46 Speaker 02 Okay, there you go.
25:48 Patrick Bet-David? You've never talked about this.
25:50 Speaker 02 I've never said his name.
25:57 Patrick Bet-David? You know, you, again, you hear these stories.
26:01 Patrick Bet-David? And you wonder, you know, there's, there's no way these people are capable of doing something like that. At what point did you know it was him?
26:10 Speaker 02 When he died.
26:11 Patrick Bet-David? Twenty seventeen.
26:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:13 Patrick Bet-David? So you didn't know till twenty seventeen?
26:15 Speaker 02 But I knew a lot, but I didn't know that it was him.
26:18 Patrick Bet-David? So how did you know it was him when he died in twenty seventeen? Because that was just seven years ago.
26:22 Speaker 02 Immediately, I knew immediately, I just saw his face and, first of all, I saw his face and then immediately, a lot of other memories came back with him.
26:32 Patrick Bet-David? How much time did you spend with him?
26:34 Speaker 02 Well, I spent quite a lot of time with him in the beginning. Um, so from seventy-two to seventy-three, this was this training. So I spent quite a lot of time with him in the, in the US in that first month. In July of nineteen seventy-two. And, uh, spent time, spent time in his, um, estate in Westchester and also in his home in New York City and also in his, um, uh, home in Maine. And, um, on the way to Maine, on his sailboat, um, we stopped off at the Rothschild, who had to give his permission for the persona that he wanted to make out of me. And then Rothschild invited me into the family.
27:19 Speaker 02 And I gave my, I, I, I, certainly, I, I had not been treated very well up until then, so suddenly, I get a very nice invitation. I feel...
27:32 Speaker 02 You know, even this training, even though there was a lot of sex training also, just let's not make any mistakes here. This is not like, yeah, I was just being suddenly being treated really well.
27:44 Speaker 02 I was being trained sexually as well, but it was the best I'd ever seen in my life at age nine. And when I was invited, I
27:56 Patrick Bet-David? Many treatment of elites like lifestyle wealth, is that what you mean by treatment?
28:02 Speaker 02 No, in the first three years in the network by Paul van de Muyn, I was treated like absolute piece of dirt.
28:08 Patrick Bet-David? What does that mean?
28:09 Speaker 02 I was the lowest of the low. He always treated me like, you know, he wasn't worth the time for him to even like, sort of like have a, I don't know, chewing gum on his soul or something, you know, and he just had to pull it off and just, just resented having to spend any time on me, but he was selling me all over. And or whatever he was doing, he was using me for blackmail for people that were supposedly new. Or he was giving me to depraved aristocrats. But he didn't wanna, you know, I was treated, most of the time I was treated like I was absolute piece of dirt. Like I had no value at all.
28:48 Patrick Bet-David? Did he himself sexually abuse you or no, Paul?
28:50 Speaker 02 He beat me up.
28:52 Patrick Bet-David? But not sexually.
28:52 Speaker 02 I did not get sexually abused by him. He was extremely sadistic.
28:58 Speaker 02 So he did not sexually abuse me. He abused other children though. And
29:05 Speaker 02 I
29:10 Speaker 02 I don't remember being sexually abused by him, but but he and a few others that were in charge there just really would treat me like the lowest of the low. So I was used to sort of knowing that it was them, it was their fault. They were, I knew that they treated me that way, but I know that I'm human. So I didn't really fully take it seriously. And I was kind of playing the game to survive, playing this game of whatever they needed me to do, I was doing it. And then in 1972, suddenly, three years later, I got, you know, treated as very special.
29:49 Speaker 02 And this treatment had a lot to do with the excitement that David Rockefeller felt over the fact that he loved being behind the scenes, creating this slave, this elite sex slave, who was gonna make him millions. And I was already sold in the first year. In that year, in that year, till I, till I, you know, I gave my will to the Rothschild. And he asked specifically, you know, he asked, will you be part of the family? And I said, yes. And he asked me to say, I will give my will.
30:34 Speaker 02 And a year later, I did not give my will anymore. And that's why I'm here. That I got, yeah.
30:46 Patrick Bet-David? Why would Rockefeller do that if he's got billions at the time? That's a very powerful family.
30:51 Speaker 02 He was a, he was a pedophile, first of all. And these families, um...
30:56 Patrick Bet-David? Rothschild and David, or more David?
30:58 Speaker 02 The Rothschild, I don't think was a pedophile.
31:01 Patrick Bet-David? Bet David...
31:02 Speaker 02 He was more powerful, but he was not a pedophile. David Rockefeller was a pedophile. There's a lot of survivors. I work with survivors. There are a lot of survivors out there of David Rockefeller. But I saw him in a certain light, and I've met one other person. Now that we're named David Rockefeller, we can, I can tell you that the place where I was taken in Germany, in Heidelberg, the doctor that was in charge there, Hans Harmsen, I have met another survivor that was also a special project of David Rockefeller. And Hans Harmsen, who was the doctor in charge there, she was there too, as a special project of him, and she also came across Hans Harmsen.
31:47 Patrick Bet-David? Harmsen?
31:48 Speaker 02 Hans Harmsen.
31:49 Patrick Bet-David? H A R M S E N?
31:51 Speaker 02 Yes.
31:56 Speaker 02 There you go.
31:59 Speaker 02 There you go.
32:00 Patrick Bet-David? And who was he?
32:02 Speaker 02 He was...
32:04 Speaker 02 I think that he was in charge of the special project of David Rockefeller for the mind control training. And I know one other survivor who went through similar experiences as myself later on.
32:20 Patrick Bet-David? Did you ever meet him?
32:23 Speaker 02 Meet him? Oh, yeah.
32:25 Patrick Bet-David? What was he like?
32:27 Speaker 02 Horrendous.
32:28 Patrick Bet-David? Unpack it.
32:32 Speaker 02 Okay.
32:36 Speaker 02 The way that you're trained in mind control training, it's based on torture.
32:43 Speaker 02 What I was used to doing as a child sex slave was to please men in some way or other, to get on their wavelength so that they wouldn't harm me, so that I could survive. With him, I never got anywhere. I never got through it at all. Most of these pedophiles, you could get through in some way. There's some way in which, you know, I could sense intuitively how, what I needed to do to please them. So with him,
33:09 Speaker 02 there was nothing that I could do to get through to him. He was just completely mean and vicious. And one thing that he would do is I was forced to watch certain things to learn about men's behavior, whether it was, you know, one, it was their weakness or their sexual preferences or their sexual
33:36 Patrick Bet-David? Desires.
33:36 Speaker 02 Perversion, perversions. Their sexual perversions. So we're not talking about regular sexual, we're talking about sexual perversions to recognize those. And so I was watching, was forced to watch films. And first I would see the man in the behavior, just his face, and then seeing in the behavior, different things. And then I would need to guess based on a face what this person would do. And if I got it wrong, he, one thing that he did is he would just strangle me until I fainted. And in the fainting-
34:14 Patrick Bet-David? He would?
34:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, he would, yeah. And in the fainting, he liked to strangle. And in the fainting- I would
34:27 Speaker 02 realize after a while that in these near-death experiences that my intuition was sharpening. And so it was punishment for not giving the right answer, but it was also part of the training to be able to get more intuitive and sense things without having to use your reason. And one thing he did was he would strangle me. But first he would say, "Was bedeutet das?" "What does this mean?" And he would point at his own face. And then he would strangle me. And so his face, to me, means being strangled, or it did.
35:07 Speaker 02 That's how the programmation worked. So when I actually came across his photo, I felt like I was dying. And it took a long time. And I do a lot of yoga and meditation. And I had to really just go into the breathing and really, really
35:27 Speaker 02 just
35:30 Speaker 02 work through that programmation that seeing his face means you're going to die from strangulation. You're going to asphyxiate.
35:39 Patrick Bet-David? He wanted you to know that.
35:41 Speaker 02 That is how programmation works in the network.
35:45 Speaker 02 That you know it, and your body has a reaction. And also, it is a way to get you from A to whatever they need you to go. So if this prompt means that. And that was in Heidelberg, he wasn't there all the time. Most of the time, there were three handlers that were doing this.
36:10 Patrick Bet-David? So if you go back to that, Rob, that says right there, "He was a bureaucrat in the Nazi Germany. He was responsible for proven eugenic sterilization, performed on the disabled. He supported forced sterilization of the mentally handicapped and helped to carry them out to Protestant intermission institutions for which he was responsible."
36:33 Speaker 02 David Rockefeller also was a eugenicist.
36:39 Patrick Bet-David? So, when you're with David Rockefeller, are you in their estate? Are you in their house? Are you around their family? And if you are, who is...
36:47 Speaker 02 Not around their family, no. But I was around, I was in three of his estates, as I said, and I was around his staff.
36:56 Patrick Bet-David? Did their staff know what was going on with you, or no?
36:58 Speaker 02 I was in bed with him. And they acted like nothing was happening.
37:03 Patrick Bet-David? You were in bed with them?
37:06 Speaker 02 And the staff knew and was there, and they were just acting like that was all normal. I went shopping on Madison Avenue with him. He bought me some dresses and some clothes.
37:19 Speaker 02 And everybody, you can imagine, everybody's so happy to see him, so happy to serve him.
37:25 Patrick Bet-David? You don't think they're gonna think it's weird that a young girl is with a very powerful billionaire?
37:30 Speaker 02 I don't think, today, people would think that was weird, because there's such a great desire to please those people. But this is 1972. Nobody thought anything. I could have been taken anywhere, out in the open. A lot of it was out in the open, and nobody would have thought a single thing. These people were just so happy to serve him. He told his staff that I was his niece from Paris.
37:57 Speaker 02 Who cares?
38:01 Patrick Bet-David? While they're seeing you in bed with them?
38:03 Speaker 02 Well, he didn't say it then, but they did see, but they acted like nothing was happening. I don't know if they were also controlled, or if they were the right kind of personality. I don't know.
38:18 Speaker 02 But I saw a woman and a butler, a woman and a man, only those two, and that was in the house in New York.
38:27 Patrick Bet-David? How did they treat you?
38:28 Speaker 02 Very nice.
38:30 Patrick Bet-David? They were good to you.
38:32 Speaker 02 Very.
38:33 Patrick Bet-David? How was he to you?
38:35 Speaker 02 Well, most of the time, he was extremely, he had this excitement. So, so a pedophile gets excited around children. And so there's a way in which they can start to feel alive when they're with children, because it's their own little child that maybe is dead inside of them that's sort of starting to come to life. And because they relate to children in that way, they see, they're trying to revive their own deadness, which dead from abuse or whatever it is, you know, they're trying to revive something. So they're seeing children at a certain age, usually the age that they were abused. And he was excited. And he was excited not only of being around me. And of course, a child is also not somebody
39:17 Speaker 02 who's going to point out your flaws, right? A real partner will point your flaws, to your flaws. And he had a slave, who was already a child slave, who was, you know, thinking the world of him. And that made him feel really good. So, um, he was excited. And he was also excited at the idea of what he was making me into, because this persona that he was creating, that I was supposed to be a French singer, actress. And he was
39:58 Speaker 02 excited to be the, the secret man owner behind that persona. And, and I was sold during that year already, when I was still supposedly in training to become that persona. I was, I was already probably sold. I mean, I was given to a German chancellor at the time. And that was called Kiesinger, who, who I was driven to Germany. So the Belgians were, the Belgian handlers would drive me to Germany. And then I would spend time with Kiesinger,
40:41 Speaker 02 you know, who would take me to like little hotels. And, again, no questions asked. Yeah.
40:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:55 Patrick Bet-David? Before he became chancellor, he served as a minister president of 1958-66, President of Federal Council 1960, he was the chairman of Christian Democratic Union from 67 to 71.
41:07 Patrick Bet-David? And David introduced you to him?
41:10 Speaker 02 Nobody introduced me, I was just taken there.
41:13 Patrick Bet-David? You were just taken there?
41:14 Speaker 02 Child sex slave is not introduced, you know, it doesn't happen that way. But the Belgian handlers would take me, they would drop me off on the side of the road. And then he would pick me up and then I would get in the car with him. And then he would drive me and then we would arrive. And again, I was trained, so I knew how not to draw attention to myself, but also, he taught me to speak German. He was very enamored and he might have been paying.
41:43 Patrick Bet-David? So I'm looking at this, you know, we're looking at some research. Common methods used by traffickers, false promises, offering employment, education, or romantic relationships. Two, isolation.
41:56 Speaker 02 This is different.
41:58 Patrick Bet-David? Separating victims from family and friends to increase dependency.
42:00 Speaker 02 Different.
42:01 Patrick Bet-David? Three, threats and violence, using physical harm or threats against the victim or their loved ones.
42:05 Speaker 02 For sure.
42:06 Patrick Bet-David? Four, debt bondage, creating a sense of indebtedness that the victim feels obligated to repay. Psychological manipulation, employing tactics like gaslighting to control the victim's perception of reality.
42:20 Speaker 02 Yes, but you see, when you're talking about the network, which I, again, you know, you have David Rockefeller, you have the Rothschilds, you have the Belgians who are, you know, connecting to that network. We're talking about a global network of people of a combination of psychopaths and pedophile, and, you know, far gone pedophiles that are Satanists.
42:51 Speaker 02 And they...
42:55 Speaker 02 They sell their soul to Satan.
42:59 Speaker 02 And they want control. They have the resources. A lot of the children that are born into these families are abused from the beginning and are mind controlled as well. They are also tortured.
43:17 Speaker 02 Because what they do, other than the sort of like normal kind of trafficking, is that you get in and either you are what I was in the beginning, like your life means nothing and you could be killed anytime. That was the first three years. But then, once he took notice of me, and which was in a very strange circumstance.
43:40 Patrick Bet-David? He is who?
43:41 Speaker 02 He is David Rockefeller. Once he took notice of me and he was going to then use me for his purposes, then I would have been part of the, what I call the global network, where I would have been completely controlled as a star. That's where the mind control comes in. And then, you know, using my natural talents and abilities and blood to create a person that is completely in their control, while they have been created the same way, you know? And all these people are crazy. That is, see, this is the...
44:22 Speaker 02 Everything goes into the PR of presenting an image that is really acceptable. And then, everything goes into the PR of, you know, it's not as if David Rockefeller didn't have access to the press. So, what these people, who are part of this murderous network, they use their resources to control their image. And that is, of course, that someone like me should never have too much reach.
44:57 Speaker 02 And what we don't understand is that it is one network. And of course, if they're friends, they're connected a lot through blackmail. Because the Satanists, there's what I call sincere Satanists, who really sell their soul to Satan and they have rituals and there are sacrifices being made. And then there are those that just want to belong to the club of power. And, you know, and then it depends, in the network in Belgium, well, it depends if someone gets sucked in, you know? You have your integrity and you have your ideals and you start out and then what happens? You know, if you get into that club,
45:41 Speaker 02 you will be asked to make choices and either it's power and you stay with the club or it's your integrity means that you cannot do this anymore. You cannot lie. In the beginning, it's to just like be quiet about what you see, having to do with sexual abuse usually. And then as it goes on, it becomes, you know, you get involved, you're participating. And of course, it's not everybody that is going to be manipulable as a pedophile. Because not everybody is going to rape a child. But those who don't, they know and they keep quiet about it. So that's how it works. And...
46:25 Patrick Bet-David? How long were you with David Rockefeller? One month? Or did you see him again after that?
46:29 Speaker 02 I did see him again after that. I saw him again after the training and I saw him again, especially a year later, in April, I saw him.
46:39 Patrick Bet-David? Seventy-three or seventy-two?
46:42 Speaker 02 Seventy-three now, April of seventy-three. I saw him in Italy. And that's where I saw the most people that I recognized later. There were actually a lot of singers there. There are a lot of people that were in the entertainment industry. And this was my coming out. I was singing, I performed several songs. So there was some Jacques Brel songs, because he's Belgian, like myself.
47:11 Patrick Bet-David? Jacques Brel song, really?
47:11 Speaker 02 Ne me quitte pas, that's what I sang, yeah, ne me quitte pas. And then...
47:15 Patrick Bet-David? Un souffle bleu, it's a beautiful, amazing song.
47:19 Speaker 02 It's a beautiful song.
47:20 Patrick Bet-David? He's one of my favorite. And by the way, that song was sang by...
47:24 Patrick Bet-David? I think Julio Iglesias, I think Sting. They converted it in English. The meaning of the song is actually very interesting. The first time he sang that song on TV, he died at a very young age.
47:37 Speaker 02 He died rather young, yeah, but he was alive then and it was a popular song.
47:41 Patrick Bet-David? Was he there at the event or no?
47:43 Speaker 02 No, no. I never saw Jacques Brel, but I was singing the song and what I had been trained by a famous French composer, singer.
47:56 Speaker 02 And he had showed me the choreography. Now, I didn't fully understand what was happening, but this choreography, I was sexualizing every line of that song. So you have the line, for example, I remember
48:15 Speaker 02 "le vieux volcan". So there's a line about the old volcano that nevertheless still spouts fire. And that, for that, I remember I had to go sit on an old man's lap and I had to look down on his genitals. Because that's the old volcano that spouts fire, that still spouts fire.
48:32 Patrick Bet-David? In front of everybody?
48:33 Speaker 02 That was, yeah, that was the audience, yeah. And this is an audience of people that were in the sphere of Rockefeller, obviously, but this is like a satanic gathering. I mean, these were people that were in this club and whatever, for whatever reason, they wanted to be there, whether it was for fame or whatever, you know.
48:53 Patrick Bet-David? When you're doing that, are they laughing or are they just like, oh, it's this great performance?
48:57 Speaker 02 Laughing, no, no, laughing. Everybody laughs at the sex jokes of the nine-year-old, absolutely, absolutely.
49:03 Patrick Bet-David? You're nine years old at the time?
49:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:05 Patrick Bet-David? Okay. And who's there? Some of the names that you're saying, who's there at this party?
49:09 Speaker 02 Okay, I know you really want to hear names and I really don't like to focus so much on the names, but Eddie Arnold was an American perpetrator that was there. And Eddie Arnold was...
49:24 Speaker 02 Yeah. So Eddie Arnold was somebody who really, really, really wanted to belong to the club. And I don't know how people got in there. There's, some of them are coming in through masonry. Some of them are coming in, in other ways because they get famous and then they get lured in. But, um, he just really wanted to belong.
49:46 Patrick Bet-David? Now, when you say belong to the club, meaning just to be there?
49:48 Speaker 02 Power. It's power.
49:50 Patrick Bet-David? But not abusing kids? You're not?
49:52 Speaker 02 No, he, he abused me. Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, he abused.
50:00 Speaker 02 That week, so there was an entire week and I was basically given to a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of men there.
50:11 Speaker 02 Meanwhile, horrible things were happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, lots of horrible, horrible things were happening. There were rituals happening. It was like, the only thing I can,
50:24 Speaker 02 the only thing I can compare it to is maybe like, I think of a Dionysian orgy.
50:34 Speaker 02 Have you ever read the books of Mary Renault? Mary Renault? Okay. She has described once, and I don't even remember which book, but she described a Dionysian orgy and it was like I was back there. It goes on for days and days and...
50:52 Patrick Bet-David? But you see, if I look online, there's literally nothing online about accusations about Eddie Arnold.
50:58 Speaker 02 Can you say? You're not gonna probably, I know a lot of survivors of David Rockefeller, but I don't think you're gonna find any accusation online about David Rockefeller.
51:12 Speaker 02 It's all about cover up. It was very, very good. All the investment, all the money goes, I mean, not all the money, but it goes a lot to the image.
51:21 Patrick Bet-David? You gave, you gave a couple of the names to me earlier.
51:25 Patrick Bet-David? I don't want to say it until you're comfortable. One of the names was a, uh, you know, another famous politician from the West.
51:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:35 Patrick Bet-David? How did you meet him?
51:37 Speaker 02 He was also there that week.
51:39 Patrick Bet-David? He was also there that week?
51:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, Pierre Trudeau.
51:44 Patrick Bet-David? And what was the interaction with you?
51:49 Speaker 02 Scary.
51:50 Patrick Bet-David? Was his wife also involved, or just him?
51:53 Speaker 02 I didn't see his wife, or I don't know. I didn't see anybody else but him.
51:57 Patrick Bet-David? But you vividly remember him.
52:00 Patrick Bet-David? And when did you know it was him, later on? Because at the time, you were nine, ten years old.
52:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, again, you know, this came much, much later. I don't remember exactly when I realized that it was him.
52:11 Patrick Bet-David? You don't remember when he came to you later, that it was Pierre?
52:13 Speaker 02 No.
52:14 Patrick Bet-David? Justin Trudeau's father, right? This is who you're talking about?
52:17 Speaker 02 Yes.
52:22 Patrick Bet-David? And...
52:26 Patrick Bet-David? I mean, you've never mentioned his name before, right? Trudeau. What was that relationship like? Or the experience like? Was it a one-day thing? Was it a repetitive, that happened?
52:37 Speaker 02 All right, I'll tell you something.
52:40 Speaker 02 David Rockefeller had me trained as a spy. So I was a sex slave, of course, and I was an elite sex slave now. And I was trained as a spy, through the mind-control training. And so, that week, I was sleeping with men, and then I would go report on their weaknesses or their sexual preferences to David Rockefeller.
53:02 Patrick Bet-David? Why did he need that information? Is that how to blackmail and use it later on in negotiation?
53:08 Speaker 02 For example. Or, if he knows what they want, then he can give it to them sexually.
53:16 Speaker 02 So, about Trudeau, I said
53:23 Speaker 02 that I could never please him as long as I was alive. That's how scary that was.
53:31 Patrick Bet-David? You could never please him?
53:33 Speaker 02 If I was alive.
53:39 Patrick Bet-David? With Trudeau.
53:40 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
53:41 Patrick Bet-David? What does that mean?
53:43 Speaker 02 It means that he couldn't kill me because at that point I was not a throwaway child.
53:52 Speaker 02 And he
53:55 Speaker 02 he scared me enough so that I then tell Rockefeller that that's what he wants, a child to kill.
54:05 Speaker 02 Then you understand that the next time
54:09 Speaker 02 he can, if he wants to use that, he can use it. He can use that information.
54:14 Patrick Bet-David? Rockefeller?
54:15 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
54:19 Patrick Bet-David? So how many of these celebrities did
54:25 Patrick Bet-David? abuse you during that specific event that you were at for you to come back and report to David?
54:30 Speaker 02 Oh, God, I don't even remember. I was very busy. And at that time, and you know, I want to specify that when I was in Belgium, I always had a distance from the perpetrators and I always knew that they were wrong and that I you know, was a human being and that they, even though they treated me like nothing, that I actually
54:55 Speaker 02 you know, had wasn't worth being treated that way. I knew that. When I was mind control trained, which is based on science, you know, it's horrendous science from, you know, probably related to some of the experiments that were done in the camps and I know it's extremely, when I went into the mind control training, there was no guessing, there was no experimentation, it was just done very precisely to get the result that they wanted. So that I'm a high functioning machine for their purposes. And I did not at that time have the distance to understand
55:38 Speaker 02 that I didn't want that anymore. I thought now, at age nine, I believed that I was this persona.
55:47 Speaker 02 And that I was doing this. I didn't, wouldn't have called it abuse.
55:53 Speaker 02 Does that make sense to you?
55:56 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, I mean, you become immune to it. It's like a mobster that kills somebody so many times. If you watch an interview with Richard Kokolinski, I think Richard, what's his last name, Rob? I think I'm saying it right. Iceman. And you see him in interviews when he's killing people. It's no longer a...
56:18 Speaker 02 Well, that's the network, you know, in the network this happens. And you know, when you go to any gang, you have these little kids that get pulled in and it's either kill or die.
56:26 Patrick Bet-David? Sure.
56:27 Speaker 02 And then, so they get pulled in that way. And it's the same in the network, you know, with violence and pedophilia.
56:35 Patrick Bet-David? But let me, let me stay on this with you here. So you, you then gave me a name. You said a woman. You didn't give me a name. You said a woman who would be seen as very innocent. Because most of the time when we're thinking about this, you're thinking about man. Was this woman also at the same event?
56:54 Speaker 02 Yes.
56:57 Patrick Bet-David? She would have to be in her 80s and 90s today.
57:01 Patrick Bet-David? Politically related or business?
57:03 Speaker 02 No, celebrity.
57:08 Speaker 02 Celebrity that I told you, no one would believe. No one would believe it.
57:18 Patrick Bet-David? What? And this was in 73?
57:24 Patrick Bet-David? That's 51 years, no, 70, yeah, 51 years ago.
57:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:29 Patrick Bet-David? That nobody would believe?
57:31 Speaker 02 Nobody would believe today, no.
57:33 Patrick Bet-David? And what was...
57:34 Speaker 02 Such an icon. You know, this is it. We all have icons, right? We all have people that we look up to. And every icon that I had personally, people I never saw in the network because I was only there for five years, you have to understand. That's a short time. I worked with people that were in much longer, that were born into it, that were in much longer.
57:57 Speaker 02 Every icon that I've had, almost every icon, I have had to let go of. Because I found out from somebody that I'm working with, completely private healing work that we do together. I really wish that we could talk more about the healing, because I feel like, oh, yeah, I feel like we're talking a lot about names and I really, the healing is so important. That is, I think, the reason that I can speak is because I've healed so much and, and I understand things that most people don't understand. And I like to speak about those things, like how that really works and everything in the mind, because I was
58:42 Speaker 02 being trained to become like them, and then I chose not to.
58:47 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, and by the way, I want to speak about that as well, and also your book as we're going through this. Just trying to sit here and, you know, you and I were talking, right, where it's like, most people don't want to talk about it. Everybody you've mentioned so far, I had a guy I did an interview with, and he started telling me all these weird stories. And I want to, I want to, I want to believe all the stories he's telling me, because some of it is actual word when you, we use unbelievable. And the stories would get more and more and more exaggerated, but there was one pattern. Everybody he ever said anything about, they were all dead. So they couldn't defend the story.
59:32 Patrick Bet-David? Right? They couldn't.
59:34 Speaker 02 I don't just go and tell stories, first of all. I mean, it's taken me most of my adult life to even be ready to speak. The De Truue case happened in 1996. I was encouraged to speak up then, in 1998, when survivors of the same network that's in Belgium started to speak out. The De Truue case took eight years to go to trial. And then they were left with Marc De Truue, his wife, and two others. Michel Nehul was one of the defendants. Michel Nehul I saw in the network. He was there then, too. I was not gonna speak out. I was not ready. I was afraid. I was afraid to speak out and also I knew that I wasn't ready.
1:00:20 Speaker 02 It's not something you wanna talk about, first of all. I am a really good writer. I really wish that I could have written stories that would be interesting and well-written and it would be appreciated and I would be appreciated as a writer. I don't wanna be talking about this stuff. I've accepted it because it feels that the divine has wanted me here and with this and talking about it and I am. But it's not, I'm not here for my ego. It is, I get attacked a lot. I have to deal with a lot of stuff. I have to deal with a lot of miscomprehension, but also attacks. My book, supposed to come out in France more than a month ago, it's been blocked.
1:01:03 Speaker 02 This translation of my book, it's been blocked. The publisher has not been in contact with me at all. I know that he received at least one mail that was to discredit me. I mean, I probably received a lot more by now. But anyway, things happen all the time to stop me from speaking out. I'm not just telling stories. I've been so careful to wait until I was ready to say anything at all. Cause I knew that if I'm gonna get attacked and I'm gonna go under, or if I'm gonna get the, the love from people, I'm not gonna be able to handle it. I'm gonna, you know, need it. And I can't need power when I'm gonna speak about these things. You understand?
1:01:45 Patrick Bet-David? I don't think, I don't think there's anything about power here. I believe this happens. I believe this happens all the time. And I believe it was way more back in the days till, till, you know, today. Because back in the days, and I'm, by the way, today, it's still happening today. You see movies like Sound of Freedom. We see movies like Liam Neeson Taken, Taken Two, Taken Three. Why do movies do so well? And, you know, Belgium is known for a lot of things. You know, Europe, there's, some of these countries are known for a lot of things. But to me, it's more-
1:02:15 Speaker 02 It's a worldwide, it's a global-
1:02:17 Patrick Bet-David? Right. It's a hundred and fifty billion dollar a year industry.
1:02:19 Speaker 02 No, no, this is a global elite network with specific people in it and they're not all friends. So there can be infighting happening as well. But it is-
1:02:33 Speaker 02 You know, and I, when I think of politics, it's like manipulated division. There's so much manipulation and it's all manipulated to keep people fighting each other so that we'll not look at the imposed division that is really between the top and the bottom. And when you start looking at the top, when you really, this is happening now.
1:02:55 Patrick Bet-David? Who is the top?
1:02:56 Speaker 02 Well, isn't Rockefeller the top? Isn't Rothschild the top? Isn't these people, aren't those people the ones at the top? So I'm taking all the risks, speaking about it. I don't want to say anything. I actually don't even like to say the names because the truth is, it's not out of loyalty. It's rather that, what is right to say when? You know, yes, saying names eventually is important because I was there, it's my story. I should be able to say who it was.
1:03:27 Patrick Bet-David? What do you think about Jane Fonda and Julie Andrews? What do you think about them?
1:03:31 Speaker 02 What do I, I don't, these are, I think of people like that as potentially, potentially just like what I was gonna be, you see?
1:03:45 Patrick Bet-David? Got it. Potentially what I was going, what I was going to be.
1:03:48 Speaker 02 Yes, I was supposed to be a celebrity in France. So I was gonna be singing and I was gonna be, I was trained as the sexy, um, you know, the, the, the sex, sex, um, sexual animal. So that's what was being sold. So that's how these powerful men would then fall for me. And then I could maybe marry a president, you know, that's possible, uh, whatever it was, but it was really Rockefeller who was behind it.
1:04:23 Patrick Bet-David? Okay, so when you're spending time with Rockefeller, you said you didn't know it was him until he died in 2017?
1:04:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:04:32 Patrick Bet-David? How is that possible? If you're going to these events and these parties and they're mentioning his name, don't they say David Rockefeller?
1:04:39 Speaker 02 But the name, I never heard the name. I know him as David.
1:04:43 Patrick Bet-David? So they wouldn't say, please help me bring up the, you know, great David Rockefeller?
1:04:49 Speaker 02 If I saw his face, I probably wouldn't have seen it because the thing is, I would have not done well if I'd remembered him while I was alive. Because he got so deep. You understand? I was a child sex slave. I had not known any love and this was the best I got at that time. And because of that, I would have maybe, there's a lot of parts in me that were very attached to him, that loved him very much. It's part of the reason also why I wouldn't want to necessarily say the name, you know? It feels like disloyal somewhere too, believe it or not.
1:05:27 Patrick Bet-David? To who though?
1:05:29 Speaker 02 To him, to him. Because there's still parts inside of me that are also attached to him. And, um, and of course, I've learned a lot. The more I heal, you see, you're talking like somebody who doesn't understand healing very well because the healing comes from, you know, how is it possible? It's very possible that I had vague memories of an American and some positive connection to that. But then there was also the memory of how I had met him, which was horrific. And I grieve for that and I, you know, I, I, in the 90s, I was crying over that, that situation.
1:06:07 Speaker 02 And I haven't necessarily, you know, healed completely. But at the moment, what it is, is that something begins to manifest and usually through the body because our trauma is stuck in the body. And then usually there's a period of, sometimes it's just boom. When he died, it was immediate and I immediately got the memories and there was no question. But in the time that the memories come, and you know, this is, mind control is about dissociation. You know, it's you mind, you you get traumatized. Why? Because it dissociates you. And then you don't know.
1:06:51 Speaker 02 You don't know what your other half is doing. So when we're talking about somebody who has an amazing front, when they're in their front persona, they don't know what they do in their shadow. That's in the shadow. So the mind control is to create dissociation, to create parts that will go alters, that will go and do things, specific things. And that, of course, that stays. When you're an adult, you're dissociated. So you don't remember most of it or nothing. And it just comes back little by little. It's a it's a very long and arduous process, and it requires tremendous courage to begin to open up to the possibility. Because the first thing that comes,
1:07:35 Speaker 02 when I had the first flashback of this, I was like, no, no, no, no. First of all, I thought, if that's true, I'm going to kill myself, which was also programmed into me. But
1:07:47 Speaker 02 I struggled
1:07:49 Speaker 02 so hard with like, this is not true. This is not who I am. I have an idea of myself. Okay, doesn't work very well. You know, this identification as me and this family. And it, okay, things don't, aren't really adding up. And at the same time, I never want this to be true. It's impossible. And without the Dutroux case, I had no context either. But I was getting the flashbacks, one after the other. The therapist I was with didn't want to know it. She wasn't ready. She didn't want to hear it. She didn't, she dismissed it.
1:08:23 Speaker 02 Some things I didn't even bring to her because I knew she wasn't going to be open to it. So it, um, so first there was the DeToole case when I suddenly realized that all my flashbacks there suddenly made sense. And then when things start to make sense, then suddenly all a bunch of other things start to make sense as well. Like, for example, behaviors of mine, or what I call cover memories. There are certain things that I know and I've always known them, but, and I may have put them in a certain context, but suddenly if this is true, if this what I'm pulling out of the shadows here, if that is true, then that also makes sense. And so it becomes a personal investigation into these memories.
1:09:04 Patrick Bet-David? Where, where do you live right now? In the state, not, not state?
1:09:06 Speaker 02 In New York.
1:09:07 Patrick Bet-David? You live in New York. And how long you been in the States?
1:09:10 Speaker 02 Since, um, 1985.
1:09:12 Patrick Bet-David? And you don't know who David Rockefeller is till the day he died in 2017 in New York? The Rockefeller Center? The Rockefeller this?
1:09:19 Speaker 02 I told you, I'd never, I never heard the name Rockefeller.
1:09:22 Patrick Bet-David? You can't, that's not possible.
1:09:24 Speaker 02 Yes, of course it's possible. I'm a child sex slave. Why would I hear the name Rockefeller? Who says it? Nobody told me. Nobody said it. He didn't say it. He was David to me. Now, I heard it, I heard the name Rockefeller as an adult. Of course, there's songs about the Rockefellers, but that didn't mean anything. That name didn't ring a bell to me.
1:09:43 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, but I mean, he's everywhere. His picture, you would see it. So it's not.
1:09:46 Speaker 02 I didn't think that this was gonna be the kind of conversation we were gonna have.
1:09:49 Patrick Bet-David? Well, I, I never know what kind of a conversation I'm gonna have. I, I simply go into a conversation.
1:09:54 Speaker 02 And I feel like I'm combative almost because I feel like.
1:09:56 Patrick Bet-David? No, to me, it's not that. To me, the, the, the main thing is the following. I think this is a very serious issue. I think it's such a serious issue that in America, I'm disappointed with our politicians that they don't spend enough time talking about this, nor does the mainstream media. And we've covered stories like this god knows how many times. 359,000 missing children in 2022, according to the FBI. Never once do you hear these guys get up there and campaign and talk about this kind of stuff. It's just we're talking about all the other stuff.
1:10:22 Speaker 02 We had Dennis Hastert, who was the Speaker of the House, who was actually jailed for, for pedophilia.
1:10:27 Patrick Bet-David? If what you're saying, if what you're saying is true, you're saying your loyalty is to Rockefeller.
1:10:34 Speaker 02 I'm not saying that. Obviously, I'm speaking about it, and I've been speaking about it. My, my, my loyalty is obviously not with the abusers. It never was. It was in a very controlled situation. I was being prepared as a child to become part of them. I said no at age 10. Now that is something that. Some children do, but most don't. Most don't have the strength to do that. So, no, my loyalty is essentially not with Rockefeller and it's not with any of those people. That's why I'm talking about it.
1:11:07 Patrick Bet-David? Because you said that. You said, "I feel like a certain level of..."
1:11:10 Speaker 02 Yes, because a part of me is still attached.
1:11:12 Patrick Bet-David? I'm repeating what you're saying. I'm not saying what I said.
1:11:13 Speaker 02 It's like if people talk about your parents a certain way, maybe at some point, no matter what the reality, maybe at some point you're gonna feel some emotional strings there.
1:11:20 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, but you're very comfortable not talking positively about your mom, but you're not very comfortable talking negatively about Rockefeller.
1:11:25 Speaker 02 My mother never gave me as much as he did, and that just happens to be the truth. He gave me reflections that I never received before.
1:11:33 Patrick Bet-David? Did you ever reconnect with your mom or no?
1:11:34 Speaker 02 I forgave her before she died.
1:11:37 Patrick Bet-David? Did you ever reconnect with her?
1:11:39 Speaker 02 I forgave her before she died. I called her to forgive her before she died.
1:11:44 Patrick Bet-David? When you called her, how much longer after she died did she die?
1:11:47 Speaker 02 A year after.
1:11:49 Patrick Bet-David? Did you guys ever spend time together again or no?
1:11:52 Speaker 02 No, I did offer to come to see her when she was dying.
1:11:55 Patrick Bet-David? So, how old were you the last time you saw your mom?
1:11:58 Speaker 02 I don't remember, but it's a long time ago.
1:12:01 Patrick Bet-David? Twelve years old, fourteen years old, eighteen years old, twenty-two years old?
1:12:04 Speaker 02 Oh, no, no, no, no. I was an adult. I was in touch with her as an adult and as these memories were coming back and I was working on these things little by little, it became clear that she was still the same person that, you know, there's this idea of what my mother was, which is what I needed to live with as a child to believe, you know, to survive. And then there's the reality. And when the reality became clear, she was acting just exactly the same as she would have. She never changed. And really, there was no reflection there that I would have needed to emotionally grow. It was all false. It was all a projection. It had nothing to do with who I am.
1:12:47 Speaker 02 I was like, she needed me to be bland, either good and bland and ugly, or... Evil and powerful. And David Rockefeller saw, even Paul van de Buynans, saw things in me that my mother never did. He recognized things that were actually intricately mine. So for my emotional growth, I needed his...
1:13:19 Patrick Bet-David? You ever seen the movie Red Sparrow?
1:13:21 Speaker 02 No, I don't need to see those movies because they're very... There's a lot of movies and they take like little aspects of what happens in the network. Yeah.
1:13:29 Patrick Bet-David? Oh, I fully believe the network exists. I am not from the school of thought that this doesn't exist. This is a real thing. It's a... I have a lot of friends in the space who are former CIA guys, Delta guys, military guys, that, you know, it's as real as it gets. It is happening. The only reason I ask this question for me is one of the recent stories that was, you know, all over the news in America is over Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. When you hear the types of stories where billionaires give him $151 million of consulting fee, I was like, who the hell gives who $151 million? Oh, he will help me on my taxes. That much? Maybe a million, maybe half a million? I don't know anybody that gets paid. $158 million of consulting fee Leon Black gives to Jeffrey Epstein.
1:14:14 Patrick Bet-David? It's kind of weird, right? When people ask, that's the amount of money I give.
1:14:18 Speaker 02 That's very... I take that for granted. What people don't know is that I work with survivors again. And several survivors, younger survivors that I know, were trained by him. And so...
1:14:31 Patrick Bet-David? Who? Jeffrey?
1:14:33 Speaker 02 Jeffrey Epstein. He was a programmer.
1:14:35 Patrick Bet-David? I thought you were talking David, that's why I'm asking.
1:14:37 Speaker 02 Excuse me, yeah. No, Jeffrey Epstein. And they were trained by him, some from when they were babies. So just the story that's out there now is that, you know, the teens and everything. And then we talk about, yeah, the abuse of teens, but really, he was training children of all ages.
1:15:04 Patrick Bet-David? Jeffrey?
1:15:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:15:05 Patrick Bet-David? Did you ever meet him or Ghislaine?
1:15:07 Speaker 02 No.
1:15:08 Patrick Bet-David? Never met him, even in New York?
1:15:09 Speaker 02 No, I was out in 1974. I was out.
1:15:13 Patrick Bet-David? Right.
1:15:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:15:15 Patrick Bet-David? And what did you do after you got out? What jobs did you do? When you came to New York, what were you doing in the eighties, eighty-five?
1:15:21 Speaker 02 Well, I wanna talk a little bit about how I got out, because normally you don't get out.
1:15:26 Patrick Bet-David? Okay, tell us, how did you get out?
1:15:28 Speaker 02 Uh, look, first, the week that I was telling you in Italy, uh, it was in Italy nearby, Le Como, and so where I was sleeping with all these men and where these horrific things were happening, um...
1:15:41 Patrick Bet-David? Men and women, I think you said to me, right?
1:15:42 Speaker 02 There were men and women, absolutely, but I was sleeping with the men. I was not trained to be with women. I was only trained to, as a sex slave for men.
1:15:49 Patrick Bet-David? Mm-hmm.
1:15:50 Speaker 02 And, um, these horrible things were happening all week. And the end of the week, and this is April thirty, is an important day for the Satanists. I'm not exactly sure why. But by the end of the week, I was gonna have my big, I had already had the, the singing, you know, I'd already had the performance for everybody there.
1:16:14 Speaker 02 And then I was going to have my, the ritual that was how I was gonna be part of them. Another "I will," perhaps, you know, you have to say "I will." You have to give your will to the network, to Satan.
1:16:31 Speaker 02 And so this was going to be my big entry. And, um,
1:16:38 Speaker 02 I knew better, um, I, I didn't, I didn't wanna do, I knew I didn't wanna, I didn't wanna pay that price. I didn't wanna pay the price that it would take to be part of it.
1:16:54 Speaker 02 And, um, so I did everything that I needed to do, 'cause I had been trained in a way that I knew not to say no.
1:17:06 Speaker 02 But after that, the next time I saw David Rockefeller, I rebelled. And then I was immediately, immediately tortured, was thrown in a cage, in a dungeon, and tortured for several days.
1:17:30 Patrick Bet-David? By him?
1:17:30 Speaker 02 By, no, no, he never touched. He was always, he kept, he would, for them, he would, he watched. And he was there for some of it. He was verbally telling me that I was absolutely worthless. But Hans Harmsen came too.
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1:18:23 Speaker 02 And, um,
1:18:24 Patrick Bet-David? Excuse me.
1:18:25 Speaker 02 No. And basically, I was retrained for several days to make sure, you know, that I would feel the lowest of the low and that I was absolutely worthless and, and anyway.
1:18:44 Patrick Bet-David? He's telling you this.
1:18:45 Speaker 02 I was, he told me that for sure, but also, I was also tortured. And so he wasn't always there. He was there a few times, but he wasn't. And at the end of that couple of days, I was basically thrown back into the Belgian network, where I was used another year. And then my book actually speaks about the year after I've already been rejected from what I call the inner circle afterwards. And I ended up.
1:19:18 Speaker 02 There's this gangster that took an interest in me. And a year later, a year, you know, that became an extremely violent vicious relationship.
1:19:33 Speaker 02 I'm 10, he's 20, and a year later, he rescued me. And I had a near-death experience, or you could say that I didn't survive. I had an extremely big near-death experience.
1:19:50 Speaker 02 I wasn't supposed to survive, but I had to come back. And it was a very beautiful experience also.
1:20:03 Speaker 02 My book is called Quest for Love. I was in these pedophilic relationships and everything, looking for love in the midst of hell. But what happened in that near-death experience was, and I was always, spirit was often present with me. And there were, like, when I talk about these things, yes, I was tortured for days, you know? And this is true. So when you look at that from the outside, it is just gruesome, and there's nothing else there. But spiritually, I felt often that there was help. Sometimes no, sometimes yes, but there was help, there was support. There was, sometimes there was an insight that would come.
1:20:47 Speaker 02 Often, I felt this benign presence. And when I had the near-death experience, it was a very glorious experience. And I felt, finally, this incredible love.
1:20:59 Patrick Bet-David? Do you believe in God?
1:21:01 Speaker 02 Of course. I mean, that's everything. There is nothing without.
1:21:05 Patrick Bet-David? Who's God to you? Are you a Christian?
1:21:08 Speaker 02 Who?
1:21:08 Patrick Bet-David? Are you a, how would you define that?
1:21:12 Speaker 02 The, um, the one, my teacher who showed up in the near-death experience was Bhajana Yogananda. Now, Bhajana Yogananda started an autobiography of a yogi. Yeah.
1:21:32 Speaker 02 If you want to show. There you go, that orange book. There you go. That's Paramahansa Yogananda. So, Paramahansa Yogananda wrote,
1:21:46 Speaker 02 you know, one of the gurus of the path is Christ. And so,
1:21:53 Speaker 02 it is not separate from Christianity. The teachings are the original Christianity combined with the original yoga, which has nothing to do with the physical yoga, but meditation. So you have, you know, the prayer, which is like speaking to God, and then the meditation, which I could call listening to God. And there's these specific meditation techniques that bring your energy back into your spine and brain, that are meant to help you
1:22:26 Speaker 02 to, what happened, you know, in the near-death experience is you transcend the physical, you leave the body, but because you are not the body, you are consciousness, pure consciousness. And then in that experience, I experienced the expansion of the heart, where I just felt that divine love. And then, no, and then had these insights also then
1:22:55 Speaker 02 to help me know what to strive for when I was healing. And that is to go back, to return to the love of Christ. And that is why my message has so much to do with ending the division between people, between us, not judging other people, respecting everybody, getting along, but to look, because I feel that this division is created from this network.
1:23:23 Patrick Bet-David? You think the network should be held accountable?
1:23:26 Speaker 02 Of course, and the people in it. And that the division is caused from that place of these people that want to maintain a control, specifically so that we won't look at them and that we won't look at this.
1:23:39 Patrick Bet-David? Do you think they still exist?
1:23:40 Speaker 02 What has happened to make it stop existing? Nothing.
1:23:45 Patrick Bet-David? Right. What do you think you can do to help it?
1:23:48 Speaker 02 What am I doing?
1:23:51 Patrick Bet-David? Talking about it? Is that, is that kinda how you process that?
1:23:54 Speaker 02 Everything I do is to help it. I heal, I work with other people that have been through it. So the fact that I have had my plus, thirty-plus years of healing behind me, I can really, you know, when someone has been through something like that, it's very common that you cannot believe it. So when someone who's been through it and has been through the healing, who knows exactly what it is and can bring context to what is coming up, because it makes no sense, these things, when they come up. And that is what I do. And I write. And I, I'm a, I think of myself as a writer. So, um, I try to reach people not about,
1:24:34 Speaker 02 it is not about the sensation, it is not about the names. Of course, yes, they have to be held accountable, eventually, all of them, absolutely. I do trust in spiritual justice, though. Not necessarily justice on earth. Most of these people died in their bed. They were never held accountable in life. But I, to me, my role is, first, is speaking up. This, the revelation of this truth, which is a dark truth that I think we should know about. And the second part of my mission, I think, has to do with the healing. Um, I developed a psychological healing modality,
1:25:18 Speaker 02 and it's for everyone. It is to look at power dynamics in the way that we all, you know, project power. Like, I, if I look up to you, you know, then I'm gonna come from a place of below. And that projection, um, it is used as an entry into our own unresolved stuff. Like, if I put you up, then you are an authority figure to me, and that means that I'm coming from a child place, and I'm putting you in the position of a parent. And beneath that upward projection, putting someone on a pedestal is fear. And so we go in that way to look at healing or whatever it is, unmet emotional needs.
1:26:00 Speaker 02 Or and vice versa, when we look down on someone, when we judge someone, to first look at ourselves. Like, what is this in me? Why do I need to feel powerful in that moment? Why do I need to think less of that person? So it's a it's not judging in terms of just saying what it is. Like, I don't mean, you know, a pedophile is a pedophile. That's not what I mean judging, you know, that there's judgment there. That is just what it is, is discriminating or discerning. But I'm talking about an emotional, an emotional charge, which is exactly what I feel the network is using to create that division, to keep judging each other and to keep thinking that it's other people like us.
1:26:44 Patrick Bet-David? To me, I understand that, but, you know,
1:26:49 Patrick Bet-David? I just put something, I tweeted something out earlier today because of what happened with Lake and Riley. And we were watching a video of Lake and Riley's family. And I don't know if you fall on the story of Lake and Riley.
1:27:00 Speaker 02 No.
1:27:00 Patrick Bet-David? Young, beautiful, of a human being, beautiful spirit, is going for a run at night while a Venezuelan gangster is looking for her. And she comes, not looking for her, just looking for a girl. And she sees her running, he sees her running, and he catches her wanting to rape her. And he starts hitting her with a rock over the head. And she's recording this while she's calling the cops, she's trying to escape. And her family, her stepfather, read a letter she wrote to her future husband, which is the most incredible story when you read this. It's it's tough to watch it without getting emotional.
1:27:42 Speaker 02 I'm getting emotional now.
1:27:43 Patrick Bet-David? And for me, when I hear stories like this, you know, we're going through this right now in America, you're in New York, so New York's a mess right now. I tweeted this two hours before you and I went live. I said, is this too extreme of an idea? Any illegal immigrant who commits a crime in America should face five times the punishment of someone who is here legally, especially a US citizen. And an automatic death penalty found guilty of rape, murder, you know, drug, child trafficking. I'm not, I have zero tolerance for this when it comes on to somebody taking advantage of a kid or any of it, especially when...
1:28:19 Speaker 02 We're both immigrants though, right?
1:28:20 Patrick Bet-David? Well, yeah, for sure.
1:28:21 Speaker 02 You're an immigrant from Iran and I'm from Belgium.
1:28:23 Patrick Bet-David? I know, yeah.
1:28:24 Speaker 02 So we're both immigrants. So of course, the immigrant story is always, most immigrants don't want to come here, or if they do, I mean, I love the United States, you know, I have had opportunities here that, I studied here, that I would have never been able to do that in Europe. So I love America. I love the spirit of America. I think that this is the place where things can change, and this can change here. On the other hand, we have to be always so mindful, I would be, you know, there's always two sides to the same story, because what on the liberal side is being co-opted is the empathy, is the willingness
1:29:02 Speaker 02 to be open-minded towards others. I feel that this is being co-opted, just as the toughness on the right, you know, is also being co-opted. You know, I know, on the right, I've heard a lot of people being, you know, the save the children, you know, save the children, a lot of feeling and a lot of sympathy for the children, but I, as an adult, don't experience necessarily that same empathy, you see. I'm the grown-up child from that experience, and...
1:29:38 Patrick Bet-David? I think you do. And the reason why I say that...
1:29:41 Speaker 02 Not always.
1:29:42 Patrick Bet-David? Well, I don't, I think, and the reason why I say that, you know, is, there's a reason why you have tens of millions of views online, because people empathize with you. And your book has got 223 reviews, five-star. Why is it five-star? Because there's a community that... You know, not necessarily understands the pain. Most people haven't gone through this, but sympathizes with somebody like you've seen an innocent child. When I look at your book, I see your face. I see my daughter. I got an eight-year-old girl and a three-year-old girl. I'm not okay with that. There's a part of me that is a naturally, my entire life have been very protective since we lived in Germany for two years. And my mother and my sister were there. I was a 10, 11, 12-year-old.
1:30:23 Patrick Bet-David? I was ready to do anything if somebody did anything to my, to my mom and my sister when my parents went through the divorce. Now, I understand that.
1:30:29 Speaker 02 Was your family connected to the Shah in Iran?
1:30:32 Patrick Bet-David? No, not at all.
1:30:33 Speaker 02 That's not why you left.
1:30:33 Patrick Bet-David? No, we were, not my mother's side, but I'm supportive of what the Shah was doing. I think when the regime fell, Iran's been a shit show since 1979. Iran was a beautiful place prior to that, right? Now, it's not, not the people, what the politicians and some of the other people, people in clergy did messed up that place. No, but for me, I think the way you overcome this is, one, by using your voice, calling out accountability and moving on. And for liberals sometimes.
1:31:07 Speaker 02 I've done a lot of that today.
1:31:09 Patrick Bet-David? When you're saying liberals to me, it's a very weird thing what happened with liberals. I think liberals lost themselves. They're a little bit confused. Feminists started off with a.
1:31:18 Speaker 02 I'm a feminist.
1:31:19 Patrick Bet-David? Well, I believe you. I can hear it when just listening to you. Feminists started off as wanting to be for women rights, women rights, women rights. Great.
1:31:28 Speaker 02 But everything gets co-opted by those that want to brainwash the people.
1:31:32 Patrick Bet-David? Conservatives are not sitting there saying, let's have men compete against women, young girls. I mean, that's like the ultimate.
1:31:38 Speaker 02 See, but that is how everybody gets co-opted. That is a thought, an idea gets co-opted and then it gets pushed and, you know.
1:31:46 Patrick Bet-David? What does that even mean?
1:31:47 Speaker 02 What gets taken and used.
1:31:50 Patrick Bet-David? Tell me.
1:31:52 Speaker 02 Not as a feminist, as me, I'll tell you that from a mind control perspective.
1:31:56 Patrick Bet-David? Right.
1:31:57 Speaker 02 So I was trained to get into the mind of men. And what do you do to get into somebody? You use their fear. You find what it is that scares them.
1:32:07 Patrick Bet-David? Okay.
1:32:07 Speaker 02 So you use fear, then you got them, and then you insert an idea into their heads. So when I speak about the division is that every issue, what you hear about it is very specific. And it creates more division because most people are not on that end of the spectrum or on that end of the spectrum as it's being presented to us. Most people are somewhere in the middle. And yes, I think there's a lot of confusion because of that mind control. And when I say co-opted is, for example, abortion was co-opted
1:32:47 Speaker 02 in the feminist movement, the issue of abortion was co-opted. Now Hans Harmson, that German doctor, he was the head of Pro Familia. So he was the head of the Planned Parenthood of Germany. And he was friends with Margaret Sanger. And so there's something about abortion where that has become the thing, the biggest issue. It is not, every woman would know that being a mother is, you know,
1:33:30 Speaker 02 why we are, you know, being a woman is being a mother. And there's biological facets of that that make you more empathic in general and more able to open your heart because we're mothers. And that has to do with the biological, with the biological fact. So to take abortion where...
1:33:55 Speaker 02 You know, first there's sexualization of everything. That was imposed. I was gonna be part of that agenda of sexualizing everything to go towards pedophilia eventually. To, you know, because I was gonna be a girl singing sexy songs. And then I was gonna be a woman singing like a little girl. And so this, that is on purpose. So I was trained that way. And of course, there's a thought behind it that people will think it's okay that a little girl sings like, you know, make sexual jokes and then an adult woman sings like a little girl. And, and everything that is being sexualized, the way that porn has become so incredibly accessible
1:34:35 Speaker 02 that most children today discover, you know, they're, discover sex through porn. None of that is, I believe, on purpose. That would be very much fit into that agenda that I was gonna be a part of when I was a child by these people who really want to control everything. And so when you take abortion, that is a natural side effect of sexualizing everybody. So when you sexualize everybody and you, you, and you make sex like, like having a drink, basically, that was the idea. Instead of, you know, a marital commitment, it became this like having a drink and, you know, and this is what it is today. It's considered that.
1:35:16 Patrick Bet-David? Who did that, though?
1:35:18 Speaker 02 Well, that's what I think is the people that were in this network, that there was an agenda behind where we're going that has to do with this. Like, the abortion would be a natural result of sexualizing everything. And that then, the girl has to pay the most. And that abortion then would become a good option, which it never is. So you never hear about how hard it is for the woman. You never hear about how, for example, there is no consent form. Like, there's no consent form signed. You don't know what happens to the fetus. You know, when you sign, when you go in to have an abortion.
1:36:03 Patrick Bet-David? So are you pro-choice or pro-life?
1:36:04 Speaker 02 I am neither. I am neither. I refuse to take sides in all of this because I do not. I have had an abortion. I was a sex slave. I was promiscuous. I got pregnant. It would have ruined my life. And it would not have been an option to, to live out the pregnancy and to, to, to give up the, the baby for adoption. It would have not have, it was not on the table. So it is such a difficult choice because you know, there's life inside of you.
1:36:37 Patrick Bet-David? Are you glad you're alive?
1:36:43 Speaker 02 But abortion is such a complex.
1:36:45 Patrick Bet-David? Are you glad you're alive?
1:36:50 Speaker 02 You know, a lot of survivors of what I've been through would not really say yes to that.
1:36:56 Patrick Bet-David? I agree.
1:36:57 Speaker 02 And today, by the grace of God, I am here and I am glad to be alive. I feel that right now, I have freedom that I never would have hoped to have. And I feel purpose to my life.
1:37:19 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, you know, it's a very, and I agree that this is a very, you know.
1:37:26 Speaker 02 And that's what I mean by co-opted. These issues arise. It's the, it's the same people that create the problem and that create the solution. That's what I mean with co-opting. And that is what I mean with the division that has to be so extreme. What we see, it's not as if social media is not controlled. So there too, we get constantly, constantly brainwashed. And that's what I say, we have to be very mindful of and careful that we don't start judging people.
1:37:57 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, but you, listen, I understand you're saying not judging people. That's what we have justice. That's what we have law and order.
1:38:03 Speaker 02 What, what kind of justice do you mean? Because they were in the network also, the people from, no, that's it. The people in the justice system were the, the head of.
1:38:13 Patrick Bet-David? They're for sale. And that's why I said they need to be called out when they're alive, not when they're dead. That's why I asked you, who's the lady's name? You're like, I don't want to do it because she's alive. That's, that's.
1:38:22 Speaker 02 That's not why. I told you, the reason is because nobody would believe me and I'm not ready and it's not fair of you to ask me.
1:38:30 Patrick Bet-David? But at this point, I don't, at this point, I'm not, I don't, I'm not interested. I don't even want you to say it, even if you said, I'll cut it out, just so you know. For you to know, I'm not, I'm not trying to close you in telling me. Don't do it on my show. Do it on somebody else's show. If you give me the name right now, I'll cut it.
1:38:44 Speaker 02 It's a matter of timing. Everything I do is calculated, right?
1:38:47 Patrick Bet-David? Hang on a second. Here's, here's what I want to say to you. If, uh, if you, if you sit there and think about what is going on, there's nothing like unfair, um, what's the word? Unfair punishment. So you hear these stories of, you know, guys that went to jail for 20 years for selling a dime bag.
1:39:12 Speaker 02 I know, I've worked in the prisons.
1:39:14 Patrick Bet-David? Why did that guy go to jail for a dime bag, right?
1:39:16 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:39:16 Patrick Bet-David? Or people that went to jail that didn't kill anybody.
1:39:19 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:39:19 Patrick Bet-David? Somebody else blamed them and hey, he's gonna go in, right?
1:39:23 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:39:23 Patrick Bet-David? These are devastating. You ruined someone's life, their youth. You stole their twenties and their thirties.
1:39:29 Speaker 02 That's right.
1:39:29 Patrick Bet-David? And they're gonna get out in their mid-forties, right?
1:39:31 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:39:32 Patrick Bet-David? But you need law and order, so the big guy cannot bully the little guy. You need that. Unfortunately, because we have certain lobbyists and because we have certain politicians that are for sale, um, predominantly on the left that are for sale.
1:39:50 Speaker 02 Well, no, don't say that. My perpetrators were from both sides.
1:39:53 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, no, but.
1:39:54 Speaker 02 Absolutely. No, no, no, you cannot say.
1:39:55 Patrick Bet-David? No, no, I said politicians. I said politicians, it's cheaper to buy the people on the left than the ones on the right.
1:40:03 Speaker 02 You don't know that.
1:40:04 Patrick Bet-David? Presidents, presidents who become presidents.
1:40:06 Speaker 02 You don't know that either.
1:40:07 Patrick Bet-David? Presidents who become presidents, who funded their own campaign, are tougher to buy than those who were funded a hundred percent by donors, like the Clintons, like the Obamas, like the Carters, like others.
1:40:21 Speaker 02 I'm saying that you don't know that. You don't know that.
1:40:23 Patrick Bet-David? It's very simple because it's just called math.
1:40:26 Speaker 02 I have a different perspective and my perspective comes from having been part of.
1:40:31 Patrick Bet-David? Well, you can say that, but that doesn't. I understand that, but that doesn't make your perspective a hundred percent accurate.
1:40:38 Speaker 02 I'm saying you don't know that.
1:40:40 Patrick Bet-David? Also, you don't know that because you're also a little bit too in it because as a feminist, you said you're a feminist. It's easy.
1:40:47 Speaker 02 And what does that mean to you?
1:40:48 Patrick Bet-David? Well, what does it mean to you? Tell me what you, tell me what it means to you.
1:40:51 Speaker 02 Well, I have been through a lot of things that I know that would have never happened to me if I was not a woman, not a girl or a woman, so.
1:41:00 Patrick Bet-David? So that means a man will never be able to understand what you're saying. And another woman was a.
1:41:04 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, oh, no, not at all. That just means that I am absolutely for full equality. That doesn't even mean necessarily legally. It just means that I, as a woman, need to be able to speak freely. And with everything that that means as a woman.
1:41:28 Speaker 02 That's what it means to me. It doesn't necessarily mean what you were making of it.
1:41:32 Patrick Bet-David? Right, when, and I don't know what that meant, what you just said, but you know, like for me.
1:41:37 Speaker 02 Well, because as, maybe, maybe you don't understand then as a man, but as a woman, there are certain things that I've had to go through, like for example, harassment. It was extremely common when I was a young adult.
1:41:50 Patrick Bet-David? Sure.
1:41:50 Speaker 02 To be harassed. I was harassed everywhere in Pa, when I was living in Paris, when I was living in New York. It was just happening all the time.
1:41:57 Patrick Bet-David? I believe you.
1:41:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:41:58 Patrick Bet-David? I believe you.
1:41:58 Speaker 02 For example, that's one of those things.
1:42:00 Patrick Bet-David? No, but we're talking two different things. I believe that. I believe the sexualization of women. I fully believe that.
1:42:06 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:42:07 Patrick Bet-David? I'm not, I'm not sitting there saying that, but at the same time, the same people that wanted women rights are the same people that are okay with men choosing to compete in women's sports. That's very weird.
1:42:18 Speaker 02 Well, of course, and that's, that's not what I'm talking about at all. That has nothing to do with feminism to me.
1:42:23 Patrick Bet-David? Unfortunately, that's what a lot of liberals defend nowadays. And that's why they've lost the election as catastrophically as they did in America, losing seven battlegrounds. It's embarrassing.
1:42:31 Speaker 02 But.
1:42:32 Patrick Bet-David? But I want to do this.
1:42:33 Speaker 02 Do you have then, do you have then also that, is that everybody or is that?
1:42:38 Patrick Bet-David? No, I don't agree that's everybody.
1:42:39 Speaker 02 Right.
1:42:39 Patrick Bet-David? No, no, I don't agree that's everybody. But by the way, I think John F. Kennedy, what he wanted to do with America, I think there was a lot of, lot of, what he wanted to do was noble. And I trusted their family more because they self-funded them running for office. You couldn't necessarily buy them. Anybody on the left or the right that runs for office?
1:43:00 Speaker 02 All my icons have been, you know, knocked off their pedestal. Just from speaking to people that have been through this.
1:43:07 Patrick Bet-David? Those are two different things. I totally get it. What's the saying, Rob? When they say, uh, when you meet your hero, what's the word? Don't meet your hero because you will be quite often disappointed or some phrase like that because you're gonna see they don't walk on water as much as you thought they did. Um, but no. Look, I think it is a conversation that needs to be had. I do know it's uncomfortable. And I do know I have a reputation of asking questions that comes to my mind and sometimes makes the meeting a little bit more uncomfortable. And, uh, forgive me for being me. I've been like this for forty-six years. I don't know any other way.
1:43:39 Speaker 02 I saw an interview, um, that you did and I thought it was much more peaceful.
1:43:45 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, which one was that?
1:43:46 Speaker 02 MIA.
1:43:47 Patrick Bet-David? MIA?
1:43:48 Speaker 02 Mia.
1:43:49 Patrick Bet-David? Oh, because the conversation was a, you know, uh, it was a, you know, that was more about her interesting story that she had on what happened with her. But there was a little bit of tension. There was a little bit of tension with her. I don't know if you watched the whole thing. Did you watch the whole thing or no?
1:44:05 Speaker 02 I did, yeah. There was a little bit of tension with her. It was her interpretation of the Bible.
1:44:09 Patrick Bet-David? And, and not just that, her, uh, the father of her child and, you know, some of the things we talked, whether she was uncomfortable to talk about.
1:44:16 Speaker 02 That she asked not to talk about, just like me.
1:44:17 Patrick Bet-David? No, at the beginning she was open to it and then later on she got uncomfortable with it.
1:44:21 Speaker 02 I see.
1:44:22 Patrick Bet-David? And, and just like you, by the way, to be fair, so the audience doesn't think I'm cornering you. You told Tony that you wanted to name names. I would, I'm.
1:44:30 Speaker 02 No, I didn't say that at all. He came to ask me if I wanted to. No, no, no, let's be very clear.
1:44:35 Patrick Bet-David? Let's bring him in here then because I'm not releasing this interview.
1:44:37 Speaker 02 Yes, he came to ask me if I was willing to name some names.
1:44:40 Patrick Bet-David? So then Tony's gonna be held accountable.
1:44:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:44:43 Patrick Bet-David? So let's hold Tony accountable. Tony, if you can come here, buddy.
1:44:49 Patrick Bet-David? Tony.
1:44:52 Patrick Bet-David? Come on, Tony. So when you told me you proposed for her to be a guest on the podcast, you said she said she wanted to name names that she's never named before.
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1:45:38 Speaker 02 I don't remember. I don't remember, but I don't remember saying that I wanted to name names. I would never say that because it's not really what I normally would do. And you brought it up today. I thought you meant today you went and brought it up.
1:45:54 Speaker 02 But I must not have answered you. I definitely did not tell you I'm, I'm, I'm going to name names that I've never named before.
1:46:00 Patrick Bet-David? Well, here's, here's the point. The reason for it is like Tony has never misled me. So when Tony says something like, okay, cool. That sounds good. And I don't have a problem with that. But for me it was, I've known your story.
1:46:12 Speaker 02 But you're saying I want to come on naming names. That's not exactly what I would have. Would you say that I, that I said, I wanted to come on naming names? That's not really how I would say it at all. I was asked, I was considering it. Maybe this came up or not, but um. Early on, two months ago.
1:46:34 Speaker 02 Well, he asked me right before we came on.
1:46:37 Patrick Bet-David? But no, but, but, but only reason I want to qualify this. Because that's questioning the integrity of the interviewer, which is me. I'm not going to sit here and feel like.
1:46:46 Speaker 02 I'm not doing that.
1:46:47 Patrick Bet-David? But hang on, I'm not going to sit here. And be cornered as if I'm cornering you.
1:46:53 Speaker 02 Okay, that's how it felt like.
1:46:55 Patrick Bet-David? Then, then you're going to walk away saying, this guy was just cor- I'm not cornering you. I'm being told, hey, there's a lot of things and she's at a point right now with everything that's going on with Diddy, Epstein, all this stuff. She, she feels compelled to want to talk and maybe give some names. That's a great.
1:47:12 Speaker 02 Tony came to me before, before, right before coming in here and said, um, would you be willing to name some names of people that are alive? And I went through the list and I, you know, told him I'm not comfortable naming David Rockefeller. I didn't say who.
1:47:27 Patrick Bet-David? He's not alive. He's dead. He's, he died in 2017.
1:47:30 Speaker 02 The, the, the person who's alive, I'm not comfortable.
1:47:32 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, I totally get it. And that's, that's a different conversation. Let's separate those two.
1:47:37 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:47:37 Patrick Bet-David? The those two, let's qualify. One is, you expressed the interest to want to come here for that reason, to maybe talk about some names.
1:47:45 Speaker 02 No, no, no, it's not for that reason at all. I was, first I was considering, I, I did have an intuition that this is correct. This is definitely the biggest podcast I've ever been on and this is, um, you have a very large reach. Um, I was a little concerned, uh, just because of your political views, frankly, I was a little concerned, um, to come on because I do.
1:48:07 Patrick Bet-David? We didn't talk politics until you brought up feminism. I didn't, I didn't bring up Trump. I didn't ask you about Trump.
1:48:12 Speaker 02 I don't think it's a political.
1:48:13 Patrick Bet-David? No, but what I'm trying to say to you is this is not, I'm not having a political conversation with you. I'm, I'm having a conversation from a father with four kids who hear stories like this and we support a lot of charities behind closed doors that we don't publicly endorse because we don't want people to, you know, there are certain things that we will support and nobody knows about because, you know, we are, I'm involved in this in many directly and many indirectly, but this is a very important issue in my life. And so when these stories come out and I hear names of people that are still out there that are not being held accountable, it upsets me a little bit, especially when there's somebody that can do something about it. I can't. I'm not in it. You are. And I'm, I'm all about giving the limelight for somebody to share some of those things with others.
1:48:57 Patrick Bet-David? So people can protect themselves from perpetrators doing it again repeatedly. To younger children today, which is not fair. Somebody stole your youth and I'm not okay with that. And if we can do that to save it from happening to the other 300 and. Fifty-nine thousand that FBI has reported in twenty twenty-two of children's missing. How are those parents handling things? Imagine the mother and the father not having their kids next to them. When they put them to bed, when they put them to sleep, when they hug them, when they kiss them. My three-year-old daughter this morning was crying for no reason. Okay? And her and her sister got into it. And I went downstairs to check on her. She gave me a hug for forty-five seconds. Let me tell you. Priceless.
1:49:42 Patrick Bet-David? Give me all the money in the world. Will not replace that feeling I got skin to skin when I kiss her neck and kiss her cheek. And she's telling me daddy. I want to make sure every father and mother who is missing those children. I want more attention to it. So someone can do something about it. Whether they're former military, politicians, wealthy people that are willing to give money to it. I want to bring attention to it. This is not an easy topic. This is very uncomfortable. This is why I said at the beginning, it takes courage to talk about it. I give you that respect. So I know it's not easy. I know it's not easy to go through something like this.
1:50:17 Speaker 02 And it's not easy to speak about it. And it is also not easy to sort through what seem to be political views. You see, I believe that politics on the whole are there to cause division at this point. So, and I noticed how the division has sharpened in the last years. And so that is why.
1:50:41 Patrick Bet-David? Who's done that though? Who's done that? Think about who's done that. If you're pretty smart, okay? You've been around. Who do you think's done that? Who has the ultimate power?
1:50:53 Speaker 02 Well, I would say that the people that I was used by. They wanted, they wanted to control.
1:51:06 Speaker 02 Not just their slaves,
1:51:08 Patrick Bet-David? Keep going.
1:51:08 Speaker 02 but they wanted to control
1:51:10 Patrick Bet-David? Who?
1:51:11 Speaker 02 everybody.
1:51:12 Patrick Bet-David? But how did they, how were they able to silence or get their message out there? What, what tool did they use? In the seventies, or the eighties, or the nineties?
1:51:24 Speaker 02 In the seventies, pedophilia was, for example, sold quite a bit. There was a lot that was very, you know, like The Blue Lagoon, for example. That's a very, that's a very inappropriate film. And there's a lot out there in France. There was a lot, David Hamilton, he did Billitis. Now, the girls that were, that were filmed by him were being, are coming out saying that he raped them. You see, the seventies, they were really pushing pedophilia. And it feels like, at the moment, there's a, a, a new push again towards pedophilia.
1:52:01 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah, but, but where I was going with this is, they, they did it by controlling the media.
1:52:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:52:07 Patrick Bet-David? So, who controls the media?
1:52:08 Speaker 02 The media, but there's also social media.
1:52:09 Patrick Bet-David? Well, social media is controlled.
1:52:11 Speaker 02 Because the tech companies are also controlled, aren't they?
1:52:13 Patrick Bet-David? Sure, I know they are. But who are they controlled by? Who? The only guy that owns it that's conservative, possibly, is a guy named Elon, who used to be a Democrat. He left when they realized they're insane. They've lost their minds, so...
1:52:23 Speaker 02 That's one person.
1:52:24 Patrick Bet-David? But everybody else is on the other side, so... Yeah, I remember, you know, when you're explaining all this stuff, showing these movies. There was a weird song back in the days by this guy named Benny Mardon's, Mardon's, which, I don't know if you remember this song. She's just sixteen years old.
1:52:39 Speaker 02 Oh, gosh.
1:52:40 Patrick Bet-David? Remember that? I mean, this guy's singing a song about...
1:52:45 Speaker 02 You can find compilations of songs now where they're all singing about pedophilia.
1:52:49 Patrick Bet-David? I read the lyrics. Here's the lyrics. It says, "She's just sixteen years old. Leave her alone, they said. Separated by fools who don't know what love is yet. But I want you to know, if I could fly, I'd pick you up. I'd take you into the night and show you way love like you've never seen." This is a grown man talking about a sixteen-year-old. And he was asked in an interview...
1:53:14 Speaker 02 Otis Redding. Otis Redding.
1:53:16 Patrick Bet-David? Sitting on the dock of the, which, which song?
1:53:17 Speaker 02 No, the song, "She's weary, she's weary." And young girls, they do get weary, wearing that same old shabby dress. And then she'll, and then the lyrics go, and... Young girl, uh, you won't regret it. He says, you won't regret it.
1:53:35 Patrick Bet-David? Yeah. Well, look, we're living in a weird world.
1:53:38 Speaker 02 Try a little tenderness, yeah. You know she's waiting, just anticipating.
1:53:43 Patrick Bet-David? At least this guy didn't give the age. This other guy's given the age. She's
1:53:47 Speaker 02 Young girls, young girls. It's young girls.
1:53:50 Patrick Bet-David? He's got the audacity to say sixteen.
1:53:53 Speaker 02 She's just seventeen, you know what I mean? That's the Beatles.
1:53:55 Patrick Bet-David? In some, some countries, it was sixteen back in the days. Like, it was, it was, even in America right now, I think the legal age in America some places
1:54:03 Speaker 02 But we're still talking about grown men singing about a seventeen year old. It's always the same story.
1:54:06 Patrick Bet-David? No, I'm with you. I, I understand what you're saying, but as weird as it sounds, look at this. Even in US, some states, the age of consent is seventeen in New York State, fifteen in Arkansas. The national average in US is sixteen. So some of this stuff is kind of a, we, we, maybe we need to update some of these laws that we have in place. But anyways. Annika, uh, folks, we're gonna put the link to her book, Quest for Love, below, for you to be able to buy and support.
1:54:35 Patrick Bet-David? It's down there. We'll put it in the description and in the chat. Please do support her cause and order her book. And, uh, um, again, I appreciate you for coming down, sitting down and having this conversation. I am sure, uh, as usual, um, as much as it made felt a little bit uncomfortable at times, I think the audience won today. Because we brought more attention to this discussion. However they see it, that's up to them. But I think we did more good than bad by having this conversation. I appreciate you for coming out. And I like the fact that you never talked about Trump, because I don't like to talk about Trump.
1:55:11 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:55:11 Patrick Bet-David? I don't like politics. And if you were gonna go there, I was gonna stop it.
1:55:14 Speaker 02 No.
1:55:14 Patrick Bet-David? I was not gonna be happy about it.
1:55:16 Speaker 02 I was not gonna talk about it.
1:55:16 Patrick Bet-David? I appreciate you. Thank you so much. This was great. Thanks, everybody. Take care. Bye bye.
1:55:22 Patrick Bet-David? You're gonna think I'm crazy when I tell you this, but the last thirteen and a half years, I've been working on my first fiction book to write, ever. Fiction book to write. And while I finished this book a year ago, I got the strangest phone call about one of the characters in a book, where the guy wanted to meet with me and he read the book. And afterwards, it's like, wait a minute, am I the villain in the book? This is a story about a character named Asher, who is half Armenian, half Assyrian, whose father was involved in the Iranian revolution, linked to Savak, working with the Shah, that they escape and he gets recruited to a secret society. Where when you go to the secret society, it's been around for a couple thousand years. They've developed some of the craziest leaders of all time. And they test you.
1:56:06 Patrick Bet-David? There's unique tests that they have at this society, where they test to see your emotional, mental toughness. One of the tests that they have is very rigorous. It's purely mental. Of course, there's a physical one, but one is mental and emotional. If you're Armenian, if you're Assyrian, if you're Persian, this is a book you're gonna be reading and saying, holy moly, this the kind of stuff you talk about in here? Yes. If you're somebody that's fascinated by history, this is a book for you. Characters. There's a technology that this society, secret society builds, where you go into a vault. I won't spoil it for you. When you go down, they have a technology where you get to sit down and watch and have a three, four hour conversation with Tupac. You can set up a debate between Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. Karl Marx is in the book, who wrote Communist Manifesto.
1:56:51 Patrick Bet-David? Ayn Rand, who wrote Atlas Shrugged, is in the book. Marilyn Monroe explains the concept of seduction and sex in the book. When you read the book, it's about development of the next leaders in the world and how they do it and how they've been doing it for many years. And it's also about how to prevent the end of civilization and how this organization goes about doing it. So, I've never written a parenting book before, but if I ever wrote a parenting book, this is the closest thing to it, because it's all mindset, a lot of crazy stories. Again, thirteen and a half years. Trust me, I told myself, I will not publish this book until I sell my insurance company and I'm fully disconnected from it, where it's no longer my responsibility 100%. When you read this, if you're...
1:57:31 Patrick Bet-David? If you're a creative person, if you like fiction books, if you enjoyed Atlas Shrugged, or if you enjoy Divergent, if you like books like that, I think you can enjoy reading this book. It's the creative side. Business books is very easy. Here's how you do it. Here's how this works. This is very creative. If you haven't placed your order yet, now you can order it on Simon & Schuster, Amazon. I'm gonna put the link up below somewhere here, maybe even in my profile. Go order the book and read it. I sincerely, I've never written a book where I can't wait to read your reviews. To see what you think about this book. So, I'm going on this wild journey and we have some plans with this book here. If you support the things that I work on, I would appreciate you going to reading the book,
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