Sky Intruders - Drones, Deception & One Weird Ass UFO Video - Guests : Rory Kremer & Chris Sharp

In this jam-packed episode Jeremy and George dive into multiple hot button topics that are still unfolding. Ace journalist Chris Sharpe is on the ground in the UK as military airspaces continue to be penetrated nightly by mystery objects described as “drones.” But if they are mere drones, who is flying them, what are they doing, and why do the sophisticated sensors and weapons of both the UK and US powerless to stop them, track them, or shoot them down? Also joining the podcast, underwater archeologist Rory Kremer describes how he and his team were able to record astonishing video of a UFO that became a USO when it descended from the sky and slowly slipped into the Pacific Ocean as a video camera recorded the performance. A brief clip of this encounter is featured in the Netflix series Investigation Alien. In this WEAPONIZED episode, the world will get a much longer look at the transmedium object and other unknowns seen by Kremer and crew out in “TIC TAC UFO” territory. And if anyone is still confused by the odd circumstances surrounding the recent congressional hearing into UAP - WEAPONIZED feels your pain. What if anything did we learn from that event? What was unfolding behind the scenes? And were clues dropped about where things might head next? Are you not entertained? ••• Watch the three-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : tubitv.com/series/300002259 Watch Knapp's six-part UFO docuseries titled ALIEN INVESTIGATION on NETFLIX here : https://www.netflix.com/title/81674441 ••• GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at [email protected] For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30George Knapp?

  In this episode of Weaponized.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  It was one of the film crew, maybe, that went, what the hell is that?

• 0:36Jeremy Corbell?

  It's interesting to me that in Congress, when asked about our underwater capabilities of reconnaissance, the people would say, closed session.

• 0:46Speaker 04

  I believe it's the British Army who've been sent out there now to help patrol the perimeter. They've got, um, they've got police all around the area. Locals are totally spooked. The press is shut up about it in this country. No one's talking about it, despite the M O D being on an emergency footing.

• 1:02Jeremy Corbell?

  What are you doing in London, Lou? Oh, I don't know, just loving. You told the truth. I was like, Congress lied, and I'll talk to you more about that later, Lou, but you told the truth.

• 1:15George Knapp?

  Secrets, cover ups and strange phenomena.

• 1:18Jeremy Corbell?

  UFOs and ideas that challenge reality itself. All these mysteries, all this time. We ever going to get to the bottom of these?

• 1:26George Knapp?

  My name is George Knapp. I dig into news stories that others can't or won't.

• 1:30Jeremy Corbell?

  I'm Jeremy Corbell, and for some reason, people tell me things they probably shouldn't. And this is Weaponized.

• 1:42George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. My name is George Knapp. I'm joined by what looks like a WWE star, the masked Avenger of some kind. Jeremy, is that you?

• 1:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, taking off all masks today, George. Do you remember when we used that mask?

• 1:56George Knapp?

  I do.

• 1:57Jeremy Corbell?

  What were we doing, who were with, what was going on? I miss you.

• 2:01George Knapp?

  Halloween, Hollywood Bowl, David Gilmour.

• 2:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, who's that? Who's David Gilmour?

• 2:06George Knapp?

  Gilmour, he was the, is the, in my opinion, the best rock guitarist in the world and was the, one of the mainstays of Pink Floyd and has continued to produce great music after that band split up. And it was a terrific event, wasn't it?

• 2:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I've been accused of being musically stunted specifically by you, probably 11 years ago. So you've kind of had me on this journey of like learning about this thing called music, you know? And, you know, I did, I was in a band, you know, played the whiskey, the Roxy. I was a horrible drummer. My band was called Table 20, so I know about music. I'm just like horrible at it, apparently. You took me to Pink Floyd, I believe it was on Halloween, that's factual. It was also, George, it was at the Hollywood Bowl outside with like amazing tickets. And we went with friends. Admit it, who are your friends?

• 3:02George Knapp?

  I'm not sure that anybody wants to be on record for that.

• 3:06George Knapp?

  We met up with Ben Schneider, our friend, the singer, songwriter, mainstay of Lord Huron, great band. We've been to see him a bunch of times, as often as we can. And Ben just happened to be in town, not on tour that night. And we reached out to see if he wanted to go with us and damned if he didn't, didn't help out quite a bit. I mean, tickets are not cheap at the Hollywood Bowl and we had some pretty decent ones. But Ben knew the guy who was sort of organizing that whole event. And he reached out to him and suddenly we're in a box in the middle of the Hollywood Bowl, directly looking at David Gilmour. I mean, it was, it was awesome.

• 3:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Man, it was, it was so awesome. Now, Ben Schneider is from Lord Hereon. He's been a friend of yours. You played his music on Coast to Coast AM, which obviously, you know, you host a few times a month. But Ben has played the Hollywood Bowl. And so it was just so surreal. I kept turning to him. I was like, dude, what is it like to be on this side compared to that side? What, you know, it was really cool. Also, Ben, we were with other people as well. And that was kind of fun for me because I don't get to hang out with some really good friends very often. And these other people were really good friends. And so one is Ryan Gaul. So Ben was on Weaponized, and people should go watch that Lord Hereon Weaponized episode.

• 4:36Jeremy Corbell?

  But Ryan Gaul has never been. But Ryan Gaul is a guy I've been in war zones with, on the ground. I mean, I've known him for more than 20 years with my good friend Captain Brian, Ryan Gaul. Ryan Gaul is a music guy. He puts on this event, a kind of small event you might have heard of. He actually produces it in, what's the park in New York, George?

• 4:57George Knapp?

  Central Park.

• 4:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Central Park. And the festival's called like the Global Citizen Festival or something?

• 5:04George Knapp?

  Something like that, yeah. Global Citizen Alliance, maybe?

• 5:06Jeremy Corbell?

  I don't know. It's like Global Citizen. I think it's a festival. And he's invited me every year. They've done it. And we've done so much together in our lives that I've never gone. But you see, he has these huge artists, like Bono and shit. So I gotta go one year. But that's Ryan Gaul. And he also showed us a jacket, which I stole right off his back. Do you remember what it was, George?

• 5:25George Knapp?

  No, I don't, no.

• 5:26Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay. It said something from John Lennon. It was like a Beatles thing. Do you remember about that?

• 5:32George Knapp?

  I do, but I don't remember which clip it is.

• 5:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Uh, something Come Together or something? I got the jacket over there. But anyway, so Ryan, because I hope he comes on Weaponized sometimes. He's the guy that I gave the little wooden flying saucer to that holds teeth that everybody was so confused about. It like actually is for your like kids. It holds teeth. It has a Meg Nap top. Anyway, here's the point. Point is that we went with Ryan and he's a great guy and I hope he comes unweaponized because he has an amazing story about kind of what he's gone through in his life. We also went with a guy named Brigham, B-R-I-G-H-A-M. Brigham, lives in Austin and he's got this clinic where he like gives people like stem cells and shit. I went in there, I got alien DNA, it was fucking wild. So that was our crew. We were all wearing masks and it was

• 6:20Jeremy Corbell?

  a blast.

• 6:22George Knapp?

  One more note about Ben Snyder. So he's really well-known and respected and has a musician and singer, has had great success. Lord Yorah has toured the world, it's touring the US I think real soon, in conjunction with Kacey Musgraves, they perform with Sturgill Simpson. I mean, he's got a lot of fans and well-known. He sent me a note, I hope I'm not violating a confidence, but a couple of days ago, he says, "I go in to get my hair cut and this barber goes, 'I saw you unweaponized.'" So here's this famous guy who was known all over the world and that's the guy cutting his hair saw him unweaponized, which I mean, I don't know if that's a humbling experience, something good or bad or what?

• 7:04Jeremy Corbell?

  I think it's so, I think it's so cool. Barbers, man, they're the shamans of the modern day world. People are gonna see some things about barbers soon visually, which is neat. I'll tell you about that later, but not today. So Ben Snyder, he sees him unweaponized. Let me tell you something, man, this is to everybody watching. So all the people that listen or watch to Weaponize, man, thank you so fucking much. I mean, this is like so cool to know that people are interested in this. We're gonna talk about UFOs today, big time. We're gonna talk about UFOs. But I just want you to understand that it means so much to me that this show is growing, people are listening, they're paying attention,

• 7:44Jeremy Corbell?

  and it's about to get really exciting. And I say that with absolute knowledge, that our show, as we move into the new year and continue, I hope will continue to do what I want it to do, which is give me an excuse to hang out with my friend George Knapp and study UFOs.

• 8:03George Knapp?

  Well, it's a good time to be doing both of those things because there's a heck of a lot going on. Yes, sir. On my end and in UFO world, UAP, call it whatever you want. I mean, good gosh, there is a tremendous amount of news breaking on this subject and all over the world. And I think we're a little bit part of pushing that, pushing that ball down the field, but my gosh, I know I see it on social media and we've talked about it before. I see it all the time. People complaining that, gosh darn it, I'm so tired of waiting for the truth to come out. Why doesn't somebody bring the alien bodies here to my front door? Because I've been on Twitter for six months now and I, I haven't seen any aliens.

• 8:44George Knapp?

  And I haven't seen, seen the truth come out of Congress or the media or from Weaponized or anywhere. It's just not happening and I'm, I'm growing impatient. I understand that impatience. I am frustrated as well and I'd like to see some of the same things those people would like to see and I'd like to see them now. But the reality is, the progress that has been made in the past few years is incredible. It's extraordinary. It's nothing like the limited progress that was made the preceding 50 years or so. And so much interest in Congress, in mainstream media, academics, the general public. I mean, you know, it's peaks and valleys over the decades for the UFO subject. We're peaking right now and I think it's still going to be going up for, for a while.

• 9:29George Knapp?

  And, um, you know, we can jump into a couple of things that I think the public wants to hear from us in this episode, but first, uh, first and foremost, what happened in Congress? I leave you alone for five minutes and you get into trouble in, in the halls of Congress. You're threatening people. Uh, I've heard all the stories. I've read it. It's on, it's on X. It must be true. So I, I was not able to go with you on this trip. I, I wish I could have been there, but I had, I have a day job too at KLS TV. Nuts. So it was November. It's a sweep period. I was kind of busy with stories. I did cover it. I did write some stories about the, the hearing itself on the day it happened, but was not able to go there. So give me your sense.

• 10:12George Knapp?

  Was that a good event? Was it a positive overall experience? Because it really felt like there was some strange things going down behind the scenes.

• 10:21Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay. Well, I, there's a lot to, as they say, unpack there. I'm not letting you get away with anything. So we're going to start at the beginning. So, so you first of all, allowed me, you leave me alone. You allow me. What do you expect to fucking happen? You think that like, I'm just like not a weirdo? I'm not like a fighter, like I'm not watching.

• 10:39George Knapp?

  I know the answers to all of those. Yeah. Yeah. I know the.

• 10:43Jeremy Corbell?

  Look, man, I, I really wish, George, um, we're going to take our time with this episode. I want to be thorough. You, you, I really wish you had been there, but you know, sometimes you have to divide and conquer. But let's go back to like sweeps. What does sweeps mean? Like people don't know what that means. So you were busy with a job? Is that why you weren't in Congress? What was going on? What's sweeps? What do you mean sweeps?

• 11:02George Knapp?

  I am still the chief investigative reporter at K L S T V. And although I've been traveling a lot over the past year and a half or so, and haven't always been on the air there, they keep the door open for me and, and are, are welcoming whenever I could have, I'm able to put together investigative pieces for them. I did a couple of fun stories, including UFO coverage regarding the congressional hearing, but some other mob related, uh, pieces. Sweeps is they, they, they're not as important as they used to be. It was four periods, four months in a year when TV rating services pay special attention to how many viewers you got. And based on the results from those periods, it sets your advertising rates for the rest of the year.

• 11:43George Knapp?

  So, you know, TV stations, news departments generally put a lot of attention and a lot of good stories that they think will grab, um, grab listeners and, and what, and viewers during those periods. So they often have relied on me over the decades to come up with good stuff during sweep periods.

• 12:02Jeremy Corbell?

  So with your job at KLAS TV, I mean, it's like 40 years or something. So there you are. And one time a year, because you've told me this over like the last 11 years, like I'm in sweeps, I'm in sweeps. So you have to pump out, do your best work, kind of like hit deadlines and do more stories than normal? That that's what it is?

• 12:20George Knapp?

  Yeah, kind of like that. It's four months a year when, when, you know, it used to be we put all most of our energy into preparing something. These days, we sort of think of them ourselves as being in sweeps all the time. You want to fight every night for the viewers out there against your competitors in the media marketplace. And so I'm not a full-time reporter with KLS anymore. I can't, but they they're anxious and and welcome any kind of input and stories that I want to produce for them. And I just, I love it, you know, I've always, I love that place and it's like a family and and they trust me and I I trust and appreciate them. So I was happy to jump back into doing some stories for KLAS for this November.

• 13:05Jeremy Corbell?

  And they trust you because you broke all these stories on the mob, on UFOs, you took that shit seriously before other people. And you've been accurate. And when you haven't, you've told people when you've learned new information. So when you say they trust you, you mean KLAS for 40 years as you've been working there. I'm trying to drive a point home here, but but also I'm actually just curious about the answer. Like when you say they trust you, even the new people coming in, it's because they know that you do the best work you can. Is that right?

• 13:32George Knapp?

  Yeah, you try hard, you are, you're honest in what you report. You're not trying to slant things. Although I do have put my my permanent stamp on on sort of the stories that I investigate and and I share with people what I think about it. I mean, in terms of how how I think whichever the issue is involved, how how things fall based on what I've learned. I try not to editorialize too much in that role. But I I dig hard on these on a variety, a wide variety of stories.

• 14:05George Knapp?

  And um, and it's really a rewarding kind of a profession. So yeah, they trust my judgment. They know that if, for example, humans make mistakes. I've made some over the years and it's important to correct them as soon as you can.

• 14:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, really? For journalists to correct a mistake is important?

• 14:23George Knapp?

  If you make an error, you come right back on the, on the air as quickly as you can on the same newscast and correct it.

• 14:30Jeremy Corbell?

  Ah.

• 14:30George Knapp?

  And uh, you know, I think there are probably professionals in the business who feel like correcting an error damages your credibility. I think the opposite is true. When you tell them, hey, look, we messed up. Here's, here's how we're fixing it. That builds trust and credibility, in my view.

• 14:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, man. Well, look, I, observations that maybe some people might not have because I've been in a privileged position of, you know, being at a news desk at your station and stacking papers. You could, yeah, stack the papers, kid. That was when we first met, right? Um, really funny, there's a little like gif about it where I'm like in other news and I'm stacking papers at KLAS. You snuck me in there before you knew I was a wild man that would go to Congress and raise hell, right?

• 15:08George Knapp?

  Oh, I know.

• 15:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, good, good, good. Um, but what I noticed is that when I went in with you all those times to KLAS, which still baffles me that you, you know, you allow me to be seen in your presence, but check it out. What, what I noticed is that when you're trying to get out of that and you're like, dude, I have a life. I have a cat that is so obsessed with Harry Reid documents that he climbs in the box. Like you have big things going on in your life. So, so when that shit happens, what I noticed is you keep telling me you're trying to pull out. However, they kept this huge corner office with glass. I filmed it in numerous of my films and they keep it there like this relic, like, oh shit, he might come back and do another story.

• 15:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Are they trying to like guilt you into continuing to report for KLAS? Tommy, what's going on?

• 15:57George Knapp?

  No, they know I'm a workaholic and I love my job there and, and uh, you know, I have the best job at the best news organization in the best news city in America. There aren't 10 people in journalism had a better job than I do. I'm not there all the time, but I'm there as often as I can. And until they change the locks and don't let me in, I'm gonna continue to be there, I hope.

• 16:21Jeremy Corbell?

  I got more questions for you, so let's bang through them real quick. So, so, you know, look, man, I just see like a lot of times you're like, I'm gonna stop doing that, you know, look, I'm getting older, man. I don't wanna do that. But somehow, man, you keep getting pulled in and you keep doing these stories. And, you know, it's amazing to me, man. I know, you know, we are friends and that's the primary basis of our relationship. But as people working together, journalists working together, I have seen over the years that you get this like look in your eye. You start sending crazy texts to people. You're like, fuck this. You're like, forget this bullshit, these liars, these people. And you're like, I'm gonna do a story. So you go in and you do a story and I watch them.

• 17:04Jeremy Corbell?

  And what I noticed is that when I've been in your newsroom, your news area, it's like you've known all these people for a long time, but all of a sudden dude's got a Netflix show and they're taking selfies with you. What the fuck is that about?

• 17:19George Knapp?

  That's true. You know, we've made allusions to it a couple of times as we've done podcast episodes over the past year or so. But this Netflix project is finally out of the can, out of, from behind the curtain.

• 17:32Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 17:32George Knapp?

  I think the producers, Angus James and Jake Lauffer, had approached me starting in 2022, saying that Netflix itself wanted to produce its own UFO series to take a run at it. They want to meet a helmet, sort of be the focal point of it. And I eventually said yes. We started shooting, I think in July of 2023. And they estimated we might need 30 days to film the whole six-episode series for one year. 14 months later, we finished shooting it. You know, there were trips to DC with you. There were, we visited many parts of Brazil and Mexico.

• 18:16George Knapp?

  We were in Oregon, Washington, Northern and Southern California, Montana, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Texas, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. I mean, we went all over the place and put together this series and it's, we teased it. We showed the teaser on Weaponized a month or so ago and then-

• 18:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, right when you got it and then we play it. It was so cool. We're in that room and Michael, our Wizard of Oz for Weaponized, our creative producer, he was in that shot too, which was cool. But George, here, here's my point. I'm going to answer you about Congress. We'll talk about that. Let's talk about drones. Let's talk about Omaha. Let's talk about everything. But right now, I gotta say this. I watched your Netflix show. You don't tell me shit, apparently. I learned so much from watching it, like legitimately. I watched it and was like, he never told me that. Or was I just like not listening? One thing really stuck out. We're gonna have a couple guests today for Weaponized. But one thing really stuck out. Now, there's part of my mind that is like super skeptical and I'm like telling

• 19:18Jeremy Corbell?

  you all the ways that I think something could be faked. And then, and then I see this guy and the guy's name is Rory, but I don't know the guy. You know the guy. So I'm watching this like everybody else on Netflix and I'm like, that's a motherfucking UFO. That, that's a UFO. That is unidentified and it went in the water, right? And so, so I asked you, I was like, look, man, what's up with that? Like what happened that night? And you know, and you took no offense, but I grilled you. I'm like, what if the government puts something up? What if the camera crew puts something up? I was like, that was so weird. I'm really excited. You told me you have a friend and he's willing to come on with us. So let's get back to Congress. Let's get back to drones. Let's get back to current news. We'll have

• 20:02Jeremy Corbell?

  a special guest for that. Right now, there's a guy in your Netflix show- His name is Rory and I don't know anything about him, but I do know he was there that night. And, and, and I also know that you gave me the clip and you're like, what the fuck is this? And I cut this little thing to try to show like, I don't know, let me like, cut something and figure it out. So I want to know about the USO, the apparent USO unidentified submerged object, seeing something go from in the sky into the water, which did happen, but what is it? Who made it occur? That's your boy. So tell me about Rory and let's bring him in and we'll get back to everything else.

• 20:37George Knapp?

  So one of the goals that we outlined in the beginning of our conversations about the Netflix series, what we might do and try to accomplish during the, the adventure during the investigation. And the series is called Investigation Alien, by the way, for people haven't seen it. Was to take a look at the area off the Southern California coast, Channel Islands, Catalina, areas that have been UFO, USO hotspots for a long time. People will recall the 2004 Tic Tac incident, which is one of the most significant UFO cases of all time because of who documented it, the US Navy.

• 21:17George Knapp?

  The Nimitz Carrier Group was there doing exercises, getting ready to go to the Middle East. And they started seeing these objects, just brief glimpses of them coming from 80,000 feet down to sea level. And then they lose track of them. And finally, they said David Fravor, our friend, former guest here on Weaponized, sent him after to go check this thing out. And we know the story about the Tic Tac. What is it about that area, that section of the ocean? That seems to attract so many unknown aircraft, objects that come in and out of the water allegedly? Well, we said, we found a guy who would take a crew, take a big boat out there to look for it. He is an underwater archaeologist.

• 22:00George Knapp?

  And the question is, is there something on the bottom of the ocean out in that area? That would indicate that somebody is down there for a particular reason? That there is maybe a base, a structure, some kind of hidden facility down there? That these transmedium craft that are allegedly seen there have been accessing? Why do we, people see so much? So Rory Kramer is an underwater archaeologist. We're going to hear him from him in just a moment, but. He was very anxious to take this on because he does that kind of work. And he got a bunch of special equipment that he can tell us about to look down on the bottom of the ocean. And he took a bunch of cameras as well stationed around this boat.

• 22:40George Knapp?

  And he wasn't necessarily there to record objects or images or strange stuff in the sky. He was looking down in the water, but he captured something and it really took everyone by surprise. It is legit. It was not faked. What it is, is, well, it's a, it's a transmedium vehicle. It's in the sky and it goes in the water. And Rory and his team are the ones that captured it. It's, it's astonishing footage. We've heard about these kinds of things happening for a long time. We've heard there is footage, recordings, film, gun cameras of, of these things happening. But now we see one and maybe Rory can join us now.

• 23:20Speaker 00

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• 23:50George Knapp?

  Rory, welcome to Wapinize, man. We're so glad to talk to you.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Hey guys, nice to see you.

• 23:56Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, man. Well, you're welcome.

• 23:58George Knapp?

  Jump into it. I know you've got some questions for about his background. You want to hear some of that part first?

• 24:02Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, absolutely. So, so listen Rory, I got a bunch of questions about background and I also want to ask the obvious questions about the event series, like after you describe it. So just about your background, like I saw you like everybody else. You know, George doesn't tell me shit. He hides everything from me. All of a sudden I see you on there and I'm watching it. I'm trying to assess, is this guy trustworthy? This guy Rory? Like, that's what everybody's thinking. Who's this guy? What is he talking about? What's his background? Is he a liar? What's going on? Like skeptical people. So just tell me real quick, like, you know, kind of what is your background? Like what, how did you find yourself there with George? Like not only going underwater, but like, you know, on this documentary? Like who are you dude?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  I'm glad that George holds his cards close to his vest. That's a good thing. Thank you, George.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  I was raised on a ranch in Montana and didn't want to look at the ass end of a cow for my whole life. So I joined the Coast Guard when I was 17 years old and went out and saw the ocean and just fell in love with it. After the Coast Guard, I worked in LA for a while and then I started started moving boats around and working on boats. And went back home again when I was 31 years old and decided to do my bachelor's at University of Montana. I studied anthropology and then archaeology at Purdue.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  And came back out to the ocean and I'd been working California and Pacific Rim archaeology for over 20 years now and I've worked Samoa, Canadian, Northern Mariana Islands, Hawaii for quite a few years. California coastal for quite a few years as well as Nevada, Arizona, Mexico, Costa Rica and Guatemala. I've got a lot of terrestrial archaeology under my belt.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  But the reason I got a hold of George was stuff that I saw in the ocean. And I got a hold of him because of a delivery. I was bringing a boat over from Hawaii and

• 26:17George Knapp?

  Sauce job, Jeremy. Tough job.

• 26:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Actually, being on sea is a tough job. I mean, you got to have grit to do that. The ocean is a crazy place. So you're telling me you're highly educated on all this shit, qualified, but you're also telling me you got grit? Because it is hard actually to be on boats. I mean, you went to Hawaii and all the fun stuff, but it is, right? It is hard when you're working on boats?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Oh, when I'm bringing boats from Hawaii, the main reason that I get a lot of those and I've done, I've done probably close to 50 of them. Both with crew that I've hired and by myself. It's really easy to sail to Hawaii. Bringing a boat back is a pain in the ass. You've got to sail way north to get south.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Like this boat I was delivering in Marina Del Rey and it was later in the year. And I had to go up to Latitude 41. Which is almost parallel with uh with like Portland. Yeah, to bring the boat to uh to Marina Del Rey. So I brought it up to forty one and then started coming back to the coast. It's just the way the currents, the currents of the weather go.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  And so I brought it down. My first place I hit was Morro Bay. Uh, just because you can see that rock way far out in the sea, about twenty six miles. You see the rock and up to thirty days at sea by yourself. It's kind of, kind of nice to see land. And um, yeah, but I saw something half, well, three quarters of the way through from um, from Hawaii to the west coast of the mainland. And it spooked me and I, I, I got ahold of George and wanted to talk to him about it. I figured he was the mayor and I.

• 28:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Just tell me what you saw.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  I saw this. It was nighttime and I had the boat on, on auto helm. It was just sailing itself perfect. It was just a really nice night. Beautiful night, the boats, you know, no engine going, just had, had the radar going so that I could see if there were any, anything across my path. And sitting out there having a drink after dinner and all of a sudden the ocean started getting bright underneath of me. Now, I know that when the sun deflects on the other side of the planet, it can sometimes deflect underneath of you. And that's, and I've seen that twice. Um, and that's a weird thing to see because it, but its light is coming sideways underneath

• 28:52Speaker 02

  your boat. This was coming from directly underneath of me. And it kept getting brighter and brighter and brighter and brighter. And the damn thing popped up out. It was, it was a thing. It popped up out of the water. Probably I would guess a mile from me, something like that and.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  It it was brighter now. It was brightest daylight.

• 29:12Jeremy Corbell?

  I I don't, I want to really understand it. So you you're saying that like, how far out were you from from land?

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Oh, I had been I'd been at sea for probably twenty days. I think I was about sixteen hundred miles off of. I left Alaway Marina in Honolulu. And so I was sixteen hundred offshore from them, and I probably had about another nine hundred miles left to go to get to coast. So I was, I was almost as far as you can be on the planet from being another from and to another piece of land.

• 29:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so so so walk me through this. So so you, if I'm understanding, you are completely isolated in the middle of the ocean. No land in sight, hundreds of miles from the closest known land mass. And there's a light that starts illuminating from under your boat, not at an angle like the sun reflecting some weird thing. And and and you're watching it about a mile away from your boat, something like that?

• 30:09Speaker 02

  No, actually, it was it was light underneath of my boat. The light was that was coming off this thing was diffusing. And it was, as it came up, it got wider and wider, wider. It's it's area of diffusion of the light.

• 30:23Jeremy Corbell?

  How big?

• 30:25Speaker 02

  I want to say the thing was probably.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  You know, thinking back on it, two to three hundred feet in in the length, it was big. It was huge, but it was quiet. I couldn't see it. I mean, I couldn't hear it. And it came up out of the water and hung there for a second and then went off in some weird angle. Not the same angle it was bringing itself up out of the water from.

• 30:50Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Again, quiet.

• 30:53Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  And it was spherical.

• 30:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, hold on, hold on. Quiet after it gets out of the water, you do expect to hear sound, but let's start with illuminating under the water. What color was that light?

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Green, kind of greenish yellowish, and it and it was really dim at first, so I thought maybe it was just phosphorescence. Because sometimes when you're on a boat, the phosphorescence will get heavier in some areas than than they are in others. So you'll come through an area where there's.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Uh, little bio, they're bio creatures that you, when you hit them with the boat, it causes phosphorescence. When you have, if you've been out on, on the sea, you'll see a trail of them behind a, a boat on the ocean. Well, sometimes they'll be so bright that they will, you hit them with the hole and, and they splash off and well, that, that wasn't this. This was coming from underneath the water. I mean, well underneath the water, like.

• 31:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay. And, and, and when you say green, would the color of the water, if it was a white light, cause it to look green?

• 31:54Speaker 02

  No, I, I, the light, when it eventually came up out of the water was kind of a yellowish. But it looks green and I believe that's just from what was in the water. The Pacific Ocean is relatively clean when you're out a distance from shore, but you still have, you've got stuff in there that, you know, changes the color.

• 32:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay. So you see this thing come out of the water. Do you have binoculars or is it just through your off?

• 32:19Speaker 02

  No, just, just, I, I didn't know what the hell it was. I didn't think to grab binoculars. I didn't think to grab a camera. I was just like, holy shit, what is that? Yeah, you know, I went on defense mode.

• 32:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. Okay. So, so the thing comes up out of the water, no sound. Did you see like water dripping off of it? You said it was spherical shape, about 200 feet?

• 32:40Speaker 02

  I was looking at it and I couldn't, I couldn't see. I mean, it was bright as heck. It was really, really bright and almost, almost like a blinding yellow light. Um, I didn't see water coming off of it. I saw, I saw water down below that was white capped. It was like, you know, you could see a disturbance, something had come out of the water. There was a white cap that went out.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Um, but the thing came up and it went up, I guess I probably went up

• 33:10Speaker 02

  a little higher than I was on the boat. So probably 50 to a hundred feet out of the water and then just hung there for. It felt like forever, but it was only two or three seconds.

• 33:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so, so hold on. Is it fair to say that you're in the middle of the ocean? And that somebody has a technology? That is spherical? And somehow lifts out of the water and it's self luminous? And then it fucking uh hovers before it leaves like this is technology like somebody in the middle of the ocean? Has technology that's underwater? That all of a sudden can do this. Is that fair to say?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  It's, it's almost like its viscosity didn't carry water with it. It was. It was um was able to push the water away from itself. So it didn't carry water with it. It was. Water was no thing to it.

• 34:05Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I guess what I'm asking is like, that's fascinating, but what I'm asking is just bottom line. You saw a vehicle or a craft or something? Come out of the water in the middle of nowhere. It was self luminous. Came up, it was spherical in shape about 200 feet and it hovered and then shot off like. Somebody has technology that is under the water? That can do this. Is that your experience?

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't a natural thing. It wasn't a flying whale or any fucking thing like that. It was, it was a. It was a built thing. Somebody built this. And it, and it, and it was, it was under control by somebody who knew what they were doing. And it almost, even at that time? When it came out of the water and hung there for a second? My brain was telling me? That thing's changing from one atmosphere to another and it's having to equalize. And that's what it did. It, it like got into the air, hung there for two, three seconds and then poof. Off in a, off in a different direction and, and I was able to watch it for.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Eight or 10 seconds and it just kept going straight till it was out of sight.

• 35:15Jeremy Corbell?

  And you're completely alone. Did you like just fucking, what, what did you, did you grab the whiskey? What you, there you.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  All right. I was trying to, I looked, well, actually I did try to remember how many rum shots I'd had that day, but I think I'd only had like two. Um, and I had no other intoxicants with me. I was, it was just weird. And I, I took my harness out real quick and put it on and strapped it um, to the boat because I'd been a little slack about running my harness because we had said, you know, it had been such nice weather. Um, but I put my harness and tether on, so I didn't fall off the boat that night.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  But I, it just, it was so odd. I'd never seen anything like it. I've seen submarines come out of the water before. Um, up in the sea, in Seattle, Tacoma area where they, they used to just breach and they, it's, you see them before you see them and hear them before you see the light at night.

• 36:11Jeremy Corbell?

  Like you, you ask submarines?

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. The Tritons. They'll, they, they used to play with them a lot there until there were some Japanese tourists that got, uh, killed on a boat over in Japan. They got hit by a sub doing that. So they kind of backed out of doing that.

• 36:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Um, yeah, this island was, this is the first time I'm hearing this. I'm kind of shocked right now, but I knew that there's a reason why George and you might've been talking, but let, let me just say, we've determined that somewhere in the middle of the ocean, somebody has a machine that they built that can, is transmedium and it, and it's spherical. So it doesn't have like rotors, tails, exhaust, all that stuff. It's self luminous. It comes up. It's high technology. I mean, I really hope it's the United States of America, but if I asked you, could you pinpoint exactly where this was on the exact date? Is that information that you could relay to me and George in private?

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Um, I could probably not pinpoint it GPS wise, but I could give you a variable because I only travel, on that boat, I probably, probably traveled an average of one 15 nautical miles a day. So I, I could, I could get ballpark close within probably 50 to a hundred miles.

• 37:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh dude, that's wild. Okay, cuz I think this is

• 37:26Speaker 02

  There's nothing out there. I've gone back since then and I've done, you know, done a little homework on this. I didn't tell a bunch of people, but I went back and looked at, you know, where I was track wise. And what historically has been recorded and there's some Military stuff that was recorded during Vietnam, Korea, when ships would go across that area, coming out of Bremerton and out of Out of California. Going across that area and they have sightings all the time.

• 37:58Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. I've heard that all the time. But like, why Rory? So why did you not like Tell everybody after this? Why do you go and call Batman and like tell Jordan Nap? Like, why didn't you just fucking tell everybody?

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Cuz I had to go to work. I, I, and I, I, I worked sometimes for the government and I worked for people who were Who were like, you know, I, I didn't want to be a nut and at the time

• 38:22Jeremy Corbell?

  Have you, how do you work for the government?

• 38:24George Knapp?

  It's a deep state operative, Jeremy. Come on.

• 38:26Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I, I wanna know like, what do you mean you work for the government? What do you mean?

• 38:29Speaker 02

  I've done, I've done a lot of projects as a, as a field archaeologist and as a project leader on different military bases and naval bases. And I guess I talked about it now. It's not a secret, but I, I used to work for a company. We placed sonobuys around the Channel Islands. And test them and Sonobuys are things that they, they drop and they'd have a jet fly over us and they'd drop these things and And then We'd have the technicians on board who'd be testing them, making sure which ones work and which ones don't. And, you know, we'd get on there and listen to what the sonobuys were picking up. I mean, they were testing them there and, and they were basically trying to, that's the story we got. They were trying to figure out what Sonobuys worked the best.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  And so they had, we had people from different companies that came and tested their sonobuys out on, on this boat.

• 39:21George Knapp?

  Yeah, it is a sensor system. It's a sensor system that

• 39:24Speaker 02

  It has sound based sensors. Yeah, it's a sound based sensor system that will, it comes out in a long tube. And the jet flies over and it drops. And then we'd bring the big boat around and, and go pick them up and during the time between when it's dropped. And when we pick them up, it's pinging. And it's giving them soundings and it's listening to the bottom of the ocean. It's listening to what's there.

• 39:48Jeremy Corbell?

  What part of, what part of the government was doing that?

• 39:52Speaker 02

  Uh, DOD.

• 39:54Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. Okay. Here's the deal. Why is the DOD putting sonic buoys around the Channel Islands? What year was this?

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Most recent year was probably 2015, 2016, something like that.

• 40:07Jeremy Corbell?

  That you know of. So my question-

• 40:09Speaker 02

  I went on, I was working on the boat.

• 40:12Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. So, so my question is this. It's interesting to me that in Congress, when asked about our underwater capabilities of reconnaissance, the people would say closed session. Obviously, there's a secret, a national security, Defense Department, DOD secret, about our capabilities underwater to detect. To detect what? Okay, maybe Russian submarines or something like that. I get that. But there might be more to it. So George, I just want that to be on our radar.

• 40:43George Knapp?

  Uh, two momentary diversions from this story and we'll circle back around it. In this Netflix series, the six-part series, Investigation Alien, we have another case that is reminiscent of what Rory has just described there. Off of Tampico, Mexico, these two fishermen brothers go way out into the ocean. They're fishing and underneath them is this huge, roundish, white light that appears out of nowhere and it comes under their boat and it runs into the rope that's hanging on their anchor. It's pulling it forward and they were in danger of being pulled under the front of their boat, being pulled underwater. So they went and cut the rope. Rory, what did you think about that story when you, when you watched that?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  That's pretty wild. That was really wild. First off, I'm wondering why they're not running chain for an anchor line, but um-

• 41:32Jeremy Corbell?

  Thank God they weren't, I guess.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, that would scare the hell out of me if I was starting to go bow, if my bow was starting to submarine under the water and I was on anchor. That's, that's pretty spooky.

• 41:43George Knapp?

  My second diversion is Rory's has had other experiences with strange phenomena back in Montana, correct? You were there when a lot of weird stuff was happening.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  There was. We, we've got missile bases on our, on our ranch, on our family property. And then there was a period in the seventies when there was like sixties and seventies, where there was a lot of disturbance and you'd see wild stuff in the sky. You still go home and see wild stuff flying around. Um-

• 42:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Cattle mutilations?

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, we had cattle mutilations and sheep mutilations all around us during that, that period of time in the seventies. It was strange.

• 42:19Jeremy Corbell?

  And you saw these, so not many people have like missile silos or whatever you called them, like on their property. I don't even know how that works.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  They're ICBMs, they're they're they're Minuteman missiles and and like the one that's by our house, my great grandfather did not want it on the property. But the Air Force came in and they did eminent domain on this quarter of this corner of one of our fields. And he met them at the door, I understand. Every time they come to the door, he met the most shotgun. He was not happy, but they they did eminent domain on that corner. And still to this day, that missile base is there. It's an ICBM Minuteman missile. They're Minuteman trees now.

• 43:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I mean, it's like if you didn't, if you weren't like born into the position to be curious about the UFO thing, I mean, it's insane to me. So whatever, man, you got to write a book. Like, seeing you on Netflix, I wanted to like grill you to see your credibility, because I looked at that video and I was like, George, everybody's gonna try to mess with you, man. They're gonna try to trap you. We're giving fake information all the time. What's going on? So let's jump into that. Rory, great to meet you. Now, you're on a boat. I resent you the cut that I made when George gave me the stuff. You watched it last night or something like that, right after the SpaceX launch, I think. So let me just ask you this, man, or George, maybe you should take lead on this. It's your show.

• 43:46George Knapp?

  Yeah, I'll do it this way. Rory, could you share with us what Angus and Rick and Jake, the producers, what they assigned you to do? What was the mission of you and the crew on that boat that you that you leased?

• 44:00Speaker 02

  They asked me about seeing underwater things or things that came out of the water that were connected to UAPs, or as we used to call them UFOs, and and the ocean. And they asked where I would want to go. And I told them several places that I think would be hot areas, just because of military work and work that I've done in the areas and archaeology that I've done, and sailing and being on boats, basically, in the area off the coast. And so.

• 44:35Speaker 02

  I got shot down on the first two places because budget wasn't big enough, but finally they they took number three. Well, I put together the gear and, you know, they they were telling me what they wanted and I tried to fit the gear and the people to to fulfill what their needs were. They wanted to see any anomalies that were

• 45:03Speaker 02

  intelligently designed.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  But and and in the areas.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  But some but something that, you know, we can't explain that it made no sense to have it there.

• 45:16George Knapp?

  But primarily, you're looking down at the bottom of the ocean and you're taking special gear, puts down there that might explain why these things keep coming in and out of the water, right?

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Well, generally, when you're doing archaeology here, you're looking at prehistoric peoples, um, the the natives that lived here for, you know, anywhere from fifteen to twenty thousand, maybe like even longer years ago. And probably ninety-five percent of coastal archaeology, I mean, California archaeology is underwater because ten thousand years ago, you could almost walk to the Channel Islands. So it's quite often that you will be doing underwater archaeology surveys and you will find fire rings, you'll find shelters, you'll find burials.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  That's not what they wanted to see. They wanted, they wanted to find out if there was anything down um in this area that I went to that didn't fit that, you know, why would it be there? And I knew of a couple of places. Um, and we went out and looked at, we went out and looked at one, two, three places and um off of Santa Rosa Island that were.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  And they were interesting. They were pretty cool.

• 46:30George Knapp?

  And we, maybe we can play the video and Rory can sort of give us a play by play as we roll through this. This is a version much longer than what we see in the Netflix series, but we were given permission to show as much of it as we want. So can we?

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and this one, this one came up right as I was pulling the ROV, I had a remote operated vehicle underwater. And I was pulling it up. So I was really busy, busy getting that thing out of the water because they're kind of expensive and you, you don't want to lose them. And I was getting it and it's cable up and all of a sudden the crew's like, holy shit, what's that up there? And I was able to look at it for a second, but I needed to get this thing out of the water, but I was keeping an eye on it. And then it was, it was strange. It was strange.

• 47:13Jeremy Corbell?

  What I noticed in the longer footage is that you're just like talking on the boat and all of a sudden somebody says, and you go, whoa. And you look over and you see it. Was that the first time you saw it in that clip?

• 47:26Speaker 02

  No, the first time I was sitting in a chair just like this. And I was pulling the ROV cable out of the water at the, at the stern of the boat. And I had Anthony Reynolds, who's the dive, he's got dive shop in, in San Luis Obispo. He's been a friend for forty years almost. Um, he was helping me and his daughter was helping me get the ROV and cable out. And one of them, I think it was Anthony's son or one, it was one of the film crew maybe that went, what the hell is that? And that's when I looked and they're like, Rory, come over here. And I said, I can't come over there right now. Um, because I had to get this thing up, otherwise we'd go tens of thousands of dollars for it.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Um, so we're getting it up, out of the water. And then I, when you saw me probably on the net, I haven't watched all the Netflix thing yet. Um, but I think that when you saw me, I already had the ROV out of the water, had the cable gathered. And I was standing then looking at what they were pointing at, just this thing popped up again. And when I saw it, when it popped up again, it was freaking a hundred, two hundred, well, probably a hundred and fifty, two hundred yards from the boat. It was close. And I, I actually was looking around thinking, if this thing's a sailboat coming at us, we're going to get smacked. Cause it looked like it was on a dead, dead reckoning heading towards us. Um, and then the next thing you know.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  It's 10 miles away.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's the UAV, um, or ROV video. That's some of the stuff that I shot with the ROV. Yeah, and that's bringing it up, I believe. Yep, bringing it up.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  And, well, now that's down still in the water. That is off of Santa Rosa Island.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  And there we are. Oh, the cameraman was looking at me and now he's got the camera pointed at the, at the UAV that, that, uh, they were talking about behind my back and I was able to glance over every once in a while and look at it. And I got the ROV up then. And during this time, you can see it darting around, popping around. This isn't a good cameraman, so that's movement of the unit itself. He's, he's, he's on steady cam. We gotta reel that thing if we can.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  While the boat's moving, it kind of adjusts. Now it disappears. And that is the point when I, I got the ROV out of the water. And I was able to then stand up and, and I was like, well, shit, it's gone. I, I missed it. Um, I just got to see a glance of it while I was pulling the ROV up. Now,

• 50:27Speaker 02

  I think I talked on this.

• 50:29George Knapp?

  You're looking at the cameraman and then suddenly the thing is back there behind you again.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  It popped up again. There it was again. And then it got way too close. I, you know, I'm used to running boats, so I, I don't like it when lights get way close. Um, because if something hard is really near you.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  And so we're all just watching and we're all going, holy shit, what is that?

• 50:52George Knapp?

  I had asked you to sort of figure out where you were and you sent me charts. I was just trying to see if, if maybe there's an island or a light or another boat or something like that.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  We were on anchor, we were on anchor right next to Santa Rosa Island. Um, and right at the south end of Santa Rosa Island, that's the only piece of land that is near there.

• 51:13George Knapp?

  All right. So after this comes back again, you guys, it's late at night. The most of the crew goes down to go to sleep and then the cameras keep rolling, correct?

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Right. We set up cameras for, for the whole night and we had one guy on, on night watch, of course. He wasn't part of the crew. He was part of the boat crew. He had to do it to cameras. He didn't know anything about the cameras other than they were out there.

• 51:42George Knapp?

  It almost looks like it, it's there to perform for the camera.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Way up and, and you can see the movement. That's the movement of the bow of the boat because we're on, we're on a stern anchor there. And so the bow of the boat, it's a pretty calm night. It's, it's moving up and down, but this thing is making a gradual movement down to the water. And it, it's, it's like it's showing off. It's not trying to hide. It's not in a hurry.

• 52:07George Knapp?

  It's teasing you. It's tea and you can see the reflection from, it's a real light. It's reflecting off the ocean. It's right down there. Is it going to go in and boom there? It's, it's in the water.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  And you can see, you can see the reflection in the water. It's, I've never seen anything like that. It was, it was unbelievable. And I've talked to people since who work RVs, who work these sensor, um, equipment, things like that. And they, they've never seen anything like that either.

• 52:32George Knapp?

  Tell by the color of the wa, of the water. Oh, that's just a light.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  It's running deeper too.

• 52:37George Knapp?

  Under the ocean? Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. You can see it getting deeper as it goes down. It's not, it's not just sitting on the surface and there's a swell between you and that, and whatever it is. That, that thing's in the water and it's, and it's, and it's diving.

• 52:51Jeremy Corbell?

  And it's going deeper and it reminds me of the green because it does look green when it goes into the water. And that's because it's like a yellow light and then the color of the water like you described earlier. So this thing is in the water.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  The bioluminescence of it, yeah.

• 53:05Jeremy Corbell?

  And what, what makes you say it goes deeper?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Well, you can see it, it fades, it doesn't come back up out of the water there. It's, it's equalizing to its, you know, its surrounding, I have a feeling. And it, and it submerges, you can see it go down into the water until the water, you know, the darkness of the water, consistency of the water envelops it.

• 53:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Let me ask, let me ask some stupid questions, okay? So, first of all, before we even talk about how this could be faked, what, what, what I want to know is, what do we have that can, that can be luminous, that can be outside of the water? And then can submerge and go deeper into the water? Like what, do you guys know of any technologies that are like readily available? Just from people that want to fake stuff that you can have a light on something and it can go into the water and then go deeper? Like, I don't know, like DJI drones can't do that. So, do you guys know anything that can do that?

• 54:07Speaker 02

  You know, I've thought of it since then and the only thing that I could think of is if you, it would cost you

• 54:16Speaker 02

  over a hundred thousand dollars to stage something like that. Um, and it could be, I mean, and what I'm talking about is like a, an Aprop helicopter drone that would be holding onto

• 54:31Speaker 02

  a, uh, a, a, a, another drone, underwater drone. Cause I don't know of anybody that makes anything that does both, that do both media.

• 54:40Jeremy Corbell?

  What about size? Like, do you have any idea from the distance of the light? And like what size this thing would have had to have been? Is it the size of a, like a, like a, a coin? Or would it be the size of like a, a, a car? Like, do you have any idea anywhere?

• 54:56Speaker 02

  The only reference that you really pick up is when it, when it gets near the surface of the water, you can see there's a distance and I think it's probably three quarters of a mile roughly away from us. And it's gotta be a substantial thing. And when it goes in the water, you can see there's a substantial body of something there. You can see it almost reflects back on itself against the against the body of water.

• 55:22George Knapp?

  Well, three quarters of Ohio, that thing was big.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  It was, oh, yeah, it was. It was big, whatever it was. It was. It was big enough for all three of us to be having a party in there.

• 55:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, that that fucks up all my conspiracy theories, but let let me tell you some of them. Okay, so first thing on my George, I'm so on guard because George and I get fake information from different intelligence agencies all the time. So I'm like, okay, George, um, cheap ass Netflix that won't even go to the right place because of cost. Would they do that? Would they do that? Would they, you know, get a helicopter, which, you know, far away, you can't hear it. Would they put a weight on some kind of light? That's big, apparently, and drop it down. The George wasn't there, so he doesn't, you know, he can't say definitively yes or no.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  We'd have heard. We'd have heard it if they'd pulled something like that. That's what I thought, too, when I got the video back from.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Because it all of those nighttime cameras went in to be processed and and.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  That I don't. I don't see how it could be faked. Because there's it's sound looped into it. It hasn't. The sound loop hasn't been edited. I ran it through my through my computer to see if it's been. Kind of doctored or something. No. It's it's the same continuous loop on it. Um, you can hear the boat actually.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  When it's when it's riding on it, you know, it's an anchor.

• 56:45Jeremy Corbell?

  That that's new information to me. I love. See, I didn't know that about you. So you were like, you were suspicious. To begin, you're like wanting to make sure as well, Rory, it sounds like you took the audio and listen to it.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And while that and also. I don't sleep well on boats at night because I just spent too much time on the water and we had a big accident. Um, of a dive boat that burned down a couple of years ago that. It was a great dive boat, wonderful people. Um, we lost thirty four divers because the boat burned down in the middle of the night. So I don't sleep well on them and I wake up all the time. Um, probably every half an hour to an hour and I was up every half an hour to an hour. So. If these, if our camera crew had been doing something goofy, I'd have busted them.

• 57:34George Knapp?

  Jeremy, by the way, Rory didn't see this video in the morning. What he didn't, the guy who was the night watchman, he didn't see it when it happened. Rory and the rest of the crew did not know it had happened. They didn't see that video until what? You're back on shore, right?

• 57:47Speaker 02

  We were back, we were back for almost, it was almost two weeks. Uh, before, before I got a, uh, the, one of the producers got ahold of me and they were like, um, I'm sending you a file. You need to take a look at this.

• 58:00Jeremy Corbell?

  You looked at the metadata and you made sure it was from that moment?

• 58:04Speaker 02

  Yep, yep, yep. I've got, I've actually got a copy of the original.

• 58:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Send it to me. I, I need to do my own analysis. But here's the deal. So like, you guys are blowing my mind right now. So I like, literally just like a, a fan of looking at it and being protective of George and people try to fuck with us. So this is already encouraging. I think you might've gotten a real USO. But one more thing, let me ask you this. Okay. Who knew you were out there? Like, to, to give you an example. George and I have been played, or they tried to play us, you know, like agencies that knew we were gonna be somewhere. And they tried to set us up. No, nothing elaborate, you know, just with people, reconnaissance people, but like, is there a possibility in your mind? That people knew that George motherfucking Knapp was doing a UFO show and that you, they had tasked you guys out on a boat?

• 58:54Jeremy Corbell?

  And our intelligence agencies were like, let's mess with these guys. And let's put a helicopter up there with a weight on it and put something in and make it go in the water. Like, is there any possibility that this was some sort of psy-op operation from a government? I know that's crazy, but let's just, I'm asking.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  I, I can't think, I mean, I was pretty close to the vessel. It might better half knew that I was going, um. I rented the equipment out of Seattle. They didn't know exactly where it was going. Um, even, even the boat captain and I decided where we were going. Later in the afternoon to where we would be that night. I mean, David, the boat captain, who was a great guy, um, on the peace dive boat. Him and I hadn't picked our, our anchor spot until. I would say three, four in the afternoon. And, and most of the crew didn't have telephone access. So I don't know how, how somebody could have done something like that.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  But I, I don't put anything past the government.

• 1:00:00Jeremy Corbell?

  In this compressed amount of time that you have to, to do a show, uh, they didn't tell, they can't tell the full story. Right? So now I'm kind of learning it for the first time. I think, personal opinion, I think this is the first time that there is civilian. UAP footage. I, I don't know if the first time, but I mean, it's, it's pretty wild. It's a UAP. It's, it's unknown to us, but guys, it's trans medium. It goes into the water. It goes down. This relates to what, kind of what you saw Rory that first sparked you, you know, under the water, that thing under your ship.

• 1:00:38Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, I, I don't think we're giving this footage enough credit because it wasn't displayed in a way that we can in the Netflix show. Or that they could in the Netflix show because of the compression of time. Guys, this is wild.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  And you're, and, and it is on Netflix only. So I know a lot of people that don't have Netflix. So it, you know, they haven't seen it and, and people who have seen it, friends of mine. They regard me as a pretty professional guy when I'm working on the water. Um, and they've, they've, they're like, they're amazed. I mean, and these are guys who work on the water, guys and gals who work the front, who have seen, you know, years underway. And they're all like, that's cool. That's great. And they all have a story of a similarity.

• 1:01:30George Knapp?

  There are a lot of videos, clips of things zipping around in the sky over the ocean. There are a few videos of big lights, mystery lights, under the ocean. There is, to my knowledge, no civilian-recorded video of a UAP going into the water and then vanishing underneath the ocean. I've never seen one. I've heard about them, but never seen one.

• 1:01:55Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, guys, I'm so glad that they're allowing us and Weaponized to kind of show more of this footage and talk about it. Like, I don't know what it is, but when George told me, he's like, dude, I think we got something weird, something really unique. So that's why I wrote in that thing, like, this could be the first-ever transmedium UAP civilian footage filmed. And that's encouraging, because the more people that have cameras, the more people that are looking, the more people like you, who are credible and professional and have a history, Rory, and talk about it, the less that the stigma stalks people, like, you know, like, you even said yourself, when you had that first experience, you didn't go around telling people because you still were working in the government.

• 1:02:38Jeremy Corbell?

  Guess what? People leave the government, and they have cameras. So not only do we have military footage of wild stuff, like the USS Omaha, with radar, but now we have civilian stuff. So, guys, I'm really thankful for you educating me on this, because I had so many questions. Rory, thank you so much, man. What a crazy experience. I would like to say, shamelessly, I've got a friend I want you to meet. I'm making sure I got this right. His name is Vince Smith. He's like a brother to me. He's worked in the ocean. I've known him 30 years. He started something, he's the founder of a conservative conservation, restoration, education, adaptation, resilience, professional, whatever.

• 1:03:20Jeremy Corbell?

  He started something called Whale Fall. He's the founder of the nonprofit. His name is Vince Smith. Have you ever heard of him, by the way? No. I want you to, I want to connect you to him because other than your passion for the ocean, whatnot, this is a guy that has some unique capabilities. We need to look under the water. My first tip 11 years ago about from the highest ranking military individual I've ever talked with in my life was that I should look underwater. I go, I don't got a fucking submarine. How am I going to look underwater? But now I know people that do. So I want to connect you with Vincent Smith, who started that organization I said, and you guys will have a great talk. Rory, thank you so much. George, is there anything else you want to hear from Rory on this? This is big.

• 1:04:03George Knapp?

  Oh, there's plenty, but we can, we can bring Rory back. I hopefully there is going to be a continuation of this project at some level. And even if there is not, I think we should collaborate with Rory going forward.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, George and I, George and I have, we've kind of collaborated on, on, you know, just spitballing on spaces where I think they would be and, and using his experience. And, and I think I sent George a link the other day about, about radar and, and things that show up on radar. And you can go back through this, this library of things that show up. And I think that there's, I think there's a way to analyze this and get out to some hotter areas. And with the new technology underwater lidar, if there's something there, it's, it's findable.

• 1:04:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, laser radar, that's how we find all these ancient temples that they're keeping secrets. So people don't go raid them.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  The underwater lidar is a new technology that's just, I mean, it's new to civilian archaeologists like myself, but the military's probably had it for 20 years.

• 1:05:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Of course. And they're terrified that you have it now. They're terrified you have it because you know where to look, you know what to do, and you have the technologies becoming more accessible. Anyway, Rory, man, thank you so much because talking with somebody I get to learn and trust a lot more what I'm seeing on like a Netflix show. But like George, I hope you do more, another season of the Netflix. I, I do, I, I learned so much from that show. And I hope you do it, i- if you want to do it.

• 1:05:43George Knapp?

  So we thought.

• 1:05:45George Knapp?

  2023 was the year of the drones. Remember the three supposed Chinese objects? Spy balloons floating across the US. Lots and lots of coverage. US military jumps into action, shoots them down. We get the last one, that big Chinese balloon goes all the way across the country. Holy cow, that was, um, that was a drone, UAP, spy balloon, Palooza there. That was nothing compared to what, what, uh, what's going on now. 2024 might be remembered as the year of the drone attacks. Because they're popping up all over the place and I, I would submit that drones are the new swamp gas. That the military goes ahead and says, uh, oh yeah, we got a big, uh,

• 1:06:28George Knapp?

  different shaped objects of swamp gas invading our airspace, um, over and over again. We don't know where they're from. We can't track them. We can't take them down, but don't worry about it. It's just swamp gas. So they use drones in much the same way. Oh yeah, they're drones. Maybe they're foreign. We don't really know where they're from. They're hobbyists, gasoline powered, nothing to worry about. But again, we can't track them. They come out of nowhere. They disappear nowhere. We don't know who's flying them. We can't seem to take them down. They come into sensitive airspace, sensitive military bases, all over the place. Langley, pretty important base. Um, there's, uh, there's video online out of, uh, Duke, uh, nuclear power plant, uh, unknown objects.

• 1:07:11George Knapp?

  And then a spate of, of, uh, drone reports over sensitive military installations in the UK. And thankfully, we happen to know a guy who, uh, lives and works there is a pretty good journalist, right? Jeremy?

• 1:07:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, an incredible journalist, a friend of the show, a friend of mine. I consider him family.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Hey guys, lovely here to, um, to be here with you both. So yeah, thank you for having me on.

• 1:07:37George Knapp?

  What the heck is going on in the skies of the UK? Over these particular military bases, how many of them have seen these mystery drones? Uh, over the past couple of weeks?

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• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. So since a week ago, Wednesday, it's been confirmed that there have been mystery drones flying over Royal Air Force airbases operated by the US Air Force. So the main three that have been impacted are RAF Mildenhall, RAF Feltwell, and the biggest one being RAF Lakenheath. And they're very, very, very close together in the east of England, in the Suffolk Norfolk area. So imagine like East Anglia, kind of near where Rendlesham Hafford actually, in that kind of geographic location.

• 1:08:57Speaker 04

  And there's also been drone incursions reported over RAF Fairford as well, again operated by the US Air Force. That's in the western half, more in the western half of the UK, kind of Gloucestershire kind of way. So Cotswolds, if you can imagine that. So that, so those two areas, like 130 miles apart, basically. So it seems to be a coordinated effort, what's going on. And the US Air Force has been, and, and the Ministry of Defence from the UK have been very, very reactive about these things. F-15s are taking off, going around circles from last night up until the 4th December.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  They'll be flying without lights as well over the area. It's, it's pretty funny.

• 1:09:47George Knapp?

  Just routine training kind of stuff, no. So how, how many of these objects have been spotted? How often do they show up? How long do they stay? And what happens to them? How do they get away?

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure. So it's multiple objects. I don't have an exact number, but it seems to be a coordinated effort. Um, from my understanding, it looks like they're being pre-programmed. They're on a pre-programmed route. Um, they're going around these spaces. Um, so it's highly coordinated. Um, but the mystery is how are they being deployed and where are they being deployed from? Um, again, also, like we've reported with other cases, who are the controllers? Um, I, I, I, I think kind of, um, pre-programmed makes sense, you know, like, like we see in the Ukraine. So if we work on the assumption that these are drones, you know, it's kind of like in the Ukraine, you know, um, you, you might have them being pre-programmed.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Certain route, but also you might have someone like miles away in front of a computer screen. Um, so it's not someone, if they are operating drones, someone could just like search the perimeter and catch them with a remote control or something like that. So if it is a drone, if we're working on that assumption, it's highly coordinated. We're not talking about simple technology because they, these things are operating at night. Um, from my understanding, between 5pm to, um, to around 10pm that they're operating. They're also operating in, uh, very, very difficult weather conditions as well. From my understanding, they're operating over last weekend when there was a storm in the UK and we had winds of 65 miles per hour in that area. Um, so they're operating in those areas.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Um, and, and, and I think that the US Air Force and the, um, UK MOD are spooked. Um, from my understanding, um, the UK, um, MOD is on a, an emergency kind of like footing at the moment. This is seen as a huge priority. All resources have gone into this. And there seems to be a, a press blackout as well currently. They, they're not talking about it as they should do. This should be front page. It's a big, big deal, especially because RAF Lake and Hee were supposed to take and deliver of nuclear weapons.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Um, we don't know if it has taken that delivery or not, um, but that came out in January that it was scheduled to take potential delivery of.

• 1:12:16George Knapp?

  Probably just a coincidence then, that suddenly drones show up there. You know, they're just drones. Could buy them on Amazon, I guess.

• 1:12:24Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, yeah, Chris, let me ask you this real quick. I don't know much about it. I've been dealing with like actual other life stuff, but I've been trying to follow your reporting. Like, let's stop this bullshit. By definition, they're really cool drones because they, they seem to operate in like wind speeds, all that stuff. I don't know the sizes of them. I want to ask you about that, but let's be clear. We can shoot down drones. Like, we can do that. We're really good at that. And in fact, we don't need to do that. We have other types of technologies, like the famous one is return to sender. Send a bomb back to where it came, blow people up. This is not a problem. There are people on record saying drones are not a problem. We can take care of drones. I've interviewed people like that.

• 1:13:09Jeremy Corbell?

  So, so they're drones. They are. Are they also UAP? Do we know who's operating where they're launching and landing? Or are they UAP?

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Well, this is the thing, you know, we, we've had some objects that have been seen that do look like drones and some people have said they could hear drone noises, but we've also, um, I've been speaking to, um, to a guy called, well, he's known as Liberty. He runs a YouTube stream out of Lakenheath and, um, you know, he's seen a lot of the action over the past week or so. And, um, he actually has been describing seeing some very, very strange objects as well over the area in the.

• 1:13:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Like what? What's weird? What's strange?

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  I'm trying to rethink what he did, but I mean, um, we've been seeing photos of odd beast shaped objects. I mean, I'll, I'll see if I can find some footage, um, that he potentially provide you so you can see some of those. But I've had reports of orange orbs as well in the area. Um, so yeah, there, there does seem to be a bit of weird, uh, mixed in with some, um, potentially prosate drones as well.

• 1:14:16Jeremy Corbell?

  But that's not weird. And let's make sure people understand this. 2019, when all the ships were swarmed over multiple nights, of course we sent up drones. We did.

• 1:14:30Jeremy Corbell?

  There were also the incursions of everything else that might have been drones, right? But not drones, just UAP too. So of course, we have a whole variety of assets that get airborne the moment we have airborne incursions. Does that make sense to you?

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. I think the Arrow and the DOD kind of have us in a linguistic trap when it comes to UAP as well.

• 1:14:56Jeremy Corbell?

  Yes.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Um, because according to the definition they have of UAP, unless they exhibit anomalous behavior, such as the five observables, then they can't be categorized as UAP, which is why, you know, it was important for them to say, oh, go fast as an EUAP in that latest hearing, because they basically debunked their own name, saying, well, actually, if it's not that fast, it can't be a UAP, because it doesn't have any extreme performance characteristics. But I think the argument would be, how do you know if it's not a UAP, if it's not ca- how do you know if it's not capable of these extreme performance characteristics,

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  especially if you don't know who the controllers are and where they originate from? So.

• 1:15:43Jeremy Corbell?

  How hard is that to find out? How they have to land? How hard is that to find out where these things are launching and landing from? Why is that such a big mystery since 2019 and before? Why?

• 1:15:57Speaker 04

  This is the thing, you know, they've got sixty, sixty people from the, I believe it's the British Army who've been sent out there now to help patrol the perimeter. They've got, um, they've got police all around the area. Locals are totally spooked. I mean, unlike the US, you know, we're a very, very, very small country in the UK. So there's not many sparsely populated areas, unless you go to like right to the northern part of Scotland. Um, so again, um, you know, this is an area where there's lots of people living nearby. They're seeing what's happening. They're spooked. Um, and despite lots of security being there, they, they can't seem to work out where they're coming from. Um, or.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Or perhaps who's operating them as well. I mean, I've heard rumours that, you know, it could be the Chinese, could be the Russians. We know that there's been um, activity by those forces, um, ever since the US and UK provided um, permission to strike Russia with the attackans and Storm Shadow missiles. We know that's fractured up. We know that the Chinese um, allegedly been cutting communications cables under the Baltic. We know the Russian ships as well. Um, by communications cables connecting Great Britain with North America.

• 1:17:17Jeremy Corbell?

  Yes, I know that's Russia. These are big objects. They have to refuel. We have ways of taking them down. You follow them. You have radar. Why can't we determine where they're fueling, launching and landing? It makes zero sense unless we're not being told.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I I agree. I agree. I mean, these should be pretty basic things determining where they're actually being launched from.

• 1:17:46Jeremy Corbell?

  It's dangerous if it's not.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, e- especially if they're being launched, um, you know, they they have to be being launched locally. I mean, this has happened for over a week now. I think this is like the ninth or 10th night now. Um, US Air Force is still being reactive, so is the MAD. Uh, they don't seem to have a grip on the situation despite it going on for so long. And that's really, really quite alarming. I mean, these should be pretty basic things, right?

• 1:18:15George Knapp?

  US officials have been a little vague, a little fuzzy on what the legal abilities are to shoot these things down over an airbase, sensitive, uh, military, uh, installations. You know, oh, gosh, we, you know, we don't want to shoot one down and hurt some civilians on the ground. Um, of course, you know, we know that ships out at sea have encountered these unknown drones. They don't shoot them down either. Do you happen to know, Chris, if they've tried in the UK in these incursions? Um, obviously they can't be tracked. They just suddenly are there. And then they're gone and we can't track them to where they came from or where they go. They're there.

• 1:18:53George Knapp?

  Has anybody tried to shoot one down or take one out or disable it with EMP or missiles or rockets or bullets or anything?

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, so there are rumors circulating that two were brought down by the US Air Force. I've asked the US Air Force for comment on that. Nothing's come back to me so far, but I could have, but also, you know, there, there are a lot of eyes on this base and there's a lot of people living in this area. There's been no eyewitness testimony of anything being brought down as well. And so it's really difficult to tell. There's a communications vacuum when it comes, comes to this. I think the one of the concerns possibly could be that when you return back to sender, it's supposed to send back to where it originated from. I think there's a fear as well that, you know, someone may have edited that.

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  So it actually goes on to the airfield, perhaps on the flight line. It has a payload and it could potentially.

• 1:19:51Jeremy Corbell?

  But if they have payloads, they're not going to put lights on them. And they're not going to let you know. That's not how that works in combat. It's never worked like that in combat. So that's a bullshit excuse. Where, where are they coming from? We have the best tracking satellites on planet Earth. Where are they coming from?

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  We don't know, right? This is the thing, we don't know, we don't know, but we, but we do know, but we do know that, you know, like you said, we have the best satellites, you know, you've got the NRO, you've got the NGA. And there's various sensor systems that could put eyes on this area to actually determine this information. But look, I don't pretend to know what it is, you know, they're calling them drones. Susan Goff thinks they're drones. They say, we knew them, they were drones. You know, she goes in. But the question is, how do you determine whether they're drones? How do you positively determine?

• 1:20:43Jeremy Corbell?

  They are drones. They're unmanned. They're drones. We all agree. They're also UAP. The thing is, there is a mandate around any ground troops within a certain number of miles that mandatory they have to be shot down. There is fuckery here. And look, I'm fired up, but I'm not getting less fired up. So that's just the way it is. There is a mandate. People can look it up. When things are close to ground troops, you take them down. What's going on?

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's, all I can say is it's rattled a lot of people locally, their families there, people with children and all they're doing is they're hearing, they're hearing airplanes, military jets, their lights off, um, they're seeing lots of activity at the base, there's an information vacuum, no one's being told anything, you've got police everywhere, um, press is shut up about it in this country, no one's talking about it despite the MOD being on an emergency footing, uh, I, I can't think of when this has happened previously and you'll speak to lots of people who are there locally who have a lot of knowledge when it comes to US Air Force operating the area and this seems very, very unprecedented,

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  um, when it comes to these kinds of things.

• 1:21:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Chris, are you worried, are you worried that?

• 1:22:03Jeremy Corbell?

  So I'm worried that what is going on right now is that we are being influenced through a campaign to be acclimated to an idea that might be true, but we're being giving events that are not true in order to influence that idea. I don't know if I'm being clear, I am concerned right now that there are fake psyops, that there are things being done by the United States government to put fear and confusion into the American and global public about UAP for an agenda. And actually I have evidence to some degree of that. So are you concerned at all that unprecedented events like this, that make zero sense, that

• 1:22:48Jeremy Corbell?

  they just think we're idiots and that all of a sudden they're trying to create this fear of these unidentified, unknowns, unknown origin when it's so easy to track? George and I directly know and have been exposed to footage of high capability of, of looking at these types of things. That is fact. George can attest to that if he wanted to right now. So like, are you concerned at all that this is a charade?

• 1:23:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, this is the thing. You don't, you don't know what you don't know. I don't know their drones. I don't know who the controllers are. I don't know where they originate from. I don't know what the US knows. I don't know what the British authorities know. I know nothing. This is the thing. And that, and that's, and there's an information vacuum right now. Um, and it makes things worse, you know, all I do know when it comes to this is that the unknown origin. No one's determined where they're from. It's ongoing.

• 1:23:47Jeremy Corbell?

  That's what we're being told. No one's determined where they're from. Are you concerned about the lack of transparency to journalists like yourself within your country?

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am. And laws are very, very draconian in the UK as well. You've got to be extra careful because we have different secrecy laws when it comes to the UK. Um, and yeah, you know, a, a, and they're a lot more harsher to journalists, I would.

• 1:24:12Jeremy Corbell?

  Explain that. Tell me, explain that to me. What do you mean? You're, you're a journalist. I, so I have not been able to call you in months because I'm dealing with some stuff right now. So that sucks because you're a foreign national. Tell me why it's draconian in your country.

• 1:24:27Speaker 04

  It's draconian in our country because we, we don't have freedom of speech like you have in America. We don't have sure protection laws or anything like that. If we inadvertently cover something which is kind of like official secrets or something like that covered by the act in this country. You know, the courts have like more power, the police have more power, the military have more power to come, to come after us basically. Um, in the UK, um, and there have been some cases, I can't remember off by hand, but there have definitely been cases where, you know, journalists have got in trouble, um, for kind of messing around with that. And, and the UK, you know, has power over journalists as well, you know, they, they do have D-Day notice, they can cover up um, stories if they want, they can have news blackouts and stuff like that.

• 1:25:12Speaker 04

  And now we have a new media landscape where you don't just have the traditional BBC and Telegraph. Um, that kind of dictating what people see in terms of the news. You have independent outlets as well. You have X. Um, so it's much more difficult to control, um, in the UK. And also I point out as well that the channel that has been streaming everything happening in Lakenheath. Um, well, that channel got removed from, um, from YouTube. Don't know why, and also the email address was compromised as well. Um, so the, the person running it had to take his email address off. He has to use a different one now. He's had to relaunch his channel on YouTube.

• 1:25:54Speaker 04

  Um, so I don't know who, who did that, but it just seems that we live in this different climate when it comes to secrecy in the UK.

• 1:26:04George Knapp?

  I, I should add a note here. We're going to have this conversation at some point in the future, but Lakin Heath has a long history of really odd, interesting UAP activity. This is one of the targets of the OSAP program. Now, the public hasn't seen this material. I am somewhat familiar with it though. And I could tell you, there's some really well documented incidents involving Lakin Heath that has yet to surface, uh, in public. So at some point, maybe we can have that conversation.

• 1:26:34Jeremy Corbell?

  And you want, you want that, George, like you want that to surface, but you, so this is, this is where people get mad. You want that to surface. You've been exposed to it. But the thing is, as a journalist, when you give your word to be informed, you don't break that word. And so people need to understand, we are doing our best to get everything out. You are doing your best. You're saying there's something you're saying the public hasn't.

• 1:26:58George Knapp?

  Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, you know, uh, so far, at least temporarily in our country, we don't have the same kind of legal risks that, uh, that are facing Chris right now. But I, I'm not entirely, uh, confident that the situation won't change. We have a situation here now, these in, in your, in the UK where these unknowns appear out of nowhere. They disappear out of nowhere. We cannot track them. I think the best case scenario our government wants to push is these are probably foreign operated drones. Somebody is, uh, some spy is hiding in a thatched hut out by Stonehenge and is pre-programming these things. Um, is there not a signal that stays with these drones? I guess if you pre-program them, you don't have to have an ongoing signal that can be tracked.

• 1:27:42George Knapp?

  Or do you know, either of you guys know?

• 1:27:45Speaker 04

  I believe they can track the radio frequency if there is a controller. Yeah.

• 1:27:52George Knapp?

  Oh, scenario is there are hundreds of these things showing up over sensitive installations. Langley Air Force Base is home to like half of the F-22s in our country. They have the F-35s there. The bases that you're talking about, they have very expensive planes and equipment and personnel. And we do not have the capability of shooting them down, or we haven't tried. Either one is chilling. If we have tried and can't knock them down, that's scary. We can't track them. If they are foreign operated drones by China or Russia, that is way scarier than some object from an interdimensional intelligence or aliens or something like that.

• 1:28:33George Knapp?

  I mean, my gosh, that is a an intelligence failure of a mag gigantic magnitude. And we're casually being told, don't worry, these are just drones, you know, nothing to see here. There have been 600 incursions over US military installations since 2022. Not 600 objects, but 600 different incursions. According to NORAD, we haven't solved any of them, haven't caught them. And we, you know, we all saw the three Chinese spy balloons supposedly shot down. There is wreckage that showed up a couple of weeks ago. We found out on the shores of Lake Huron. Where is it? Where's the Roswell type press photos of the balloon footage or whatever? There's a lot of a lot of gamesmanship being played here.

• 1:29:16George Knapp?

  I am not at all confident and comfortable about the idea of foreign drones flying in your country, Chris, over those bases or over US bases or over US military facilities, cities, nuclear plants, etc. It's not, it's not at all comforting.

• 1:29:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Let me just augment what you said, George, because I, so I talk to military personnel every day at bases or on deployment at sea.

• 1:29:43Jeremy Corbell?

  There are resolved cases all the time. We we we get a we get somebody from the Chinese government. Sometimes they use tourists and they have them fly DJI drones to do reconnaissance on a base. The tourist doesn't even know. I know about these cases. What what they do is they resolve it. They're like, OK, that's what happened. Someone a spy in Guam goes to a bar, finds a tourist, makes him fly a drone up. Really cool, right? Fly it over there. Happens every day. They resolve it. So whatever these cases are, maybe they're unresolved. We resolve these cases every day. You said, you know, can we shoot them down? Can we, you know, target them? Do we know where they are?

• 1:30:23Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, George, that we you have seen the capability of the United States to identify things from satellite. You know that we can track all this shit.

• 1:30:35George Knapp?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:35Jeremy Corbell?

  We're being lied to.

• 1:30:39George Knapp?

  Uh, where does the story go for you, Chris? What what's next for you? Or you don't want you don't want to say? Don't want to give anything away?

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  Well, in terms, well, in terms of this story, it's just when when when does it end? I mean, it's go it's been going on for over a week now. I think this is like the night the 10th night it's been going on for. When does it end? That that's what I want to know. It's um, and that's why I don't think the UK want it in the press because it's basically we don't have control of our own airspace, let alone the Americans. Um, and that's unnerving. They don't want people to panic over that. I it it's crazy. Again, i- i- it's unprecedented. Um, uh, but I I mean, in terms of the other stuff that I want to do, I mean,

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  yeah, I I want to I want to keep on investigating um, the the retrieval missions, UAP retrieval missions. Um, and the um, the reverse engineering programs. I want to continue looking at the um, Central Intelligence Group that um, was formed before the CIA and the OSS and what happened to the magenta craft. Um, and the mission center, which apparently is the uh, place which um, which is related to this Central Intelligence Group that um, got possession of the magenta craft. Um, the

• 1:32:02Speaker 04

  From an aspect that was moved over from the Manhattan Project to the Central Intergence Group. Um, I, I just find it really, really interesting and um, I'm really, really interested as well in terms of the incoming Trump administration about it going to war the, the bureaucracy. So we're talking about, you know, the, the sent, we're talking about people like, you know, Glenn Gaffney, for instance, you know, uh, the people in high positions in the intelligence community that are the gatekeepers. And I think that the Trump administration is ready to go to war with them, backed by people um, who have connections to um, people like Peter Phil and um, and Elon Musk. Yeah.

• 1:32:46Speaker 04

  Let's say, and um, I mean, one could argue as well that, let's say that Lockheed Martin is having trouble attract from the talent to actually exploit these materials. Okay, someone could put a good argument in that, well, the best people in the world to actually exploit materials work for SpaceX. That's where the best engineers are going now. Move that stuff over. Exactly.

• 1:33:10Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Or, or we.

• 1:33:12Jeremy Corbell?

  Or we've had great people working on it and there are derivative technologies that we've exploited. And now people are getting greedy and now they want to take it out the back door, put it in the front, have ownership of those technologies. I mean, look, man, I, I'm done. Chris, you know I'm angry now, right?

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I, I, like, I could only for a long time and I, I've never seen you like this before. And I, I know there's a lot going on in your life and I know that you're not going to take any more of this.

• 1:33:47Jeremy Corbell?

  That's right. And, and here's the deal. I, I'm not angry. This, this is the real me. The real me is I've been biding my time. I've been listening. I've been looking. I've been watching. I'm done. People are going to be exposed. So I want to say something really clearly. Look, as a journalist, Chris, in the UK, covering, I don't know, the CIA. If, part of the reason why I haven't called you to talk about Link and Lily and your family is because, you know, I know you're exposed. If anybody messes with Christopher Sharp and his journalism in the UK, we are exposing you and we will be louder than you can comprehend. And I want to make that public because we will be Chris, because you are not as protected as we are in the United States. So, listen, another thing I'll say, and this is a threat.

• 1:34:31Jeremy Corbell?

  We have UAP interested allies in UK Parliament? You're all fucked. If you mess with Christopher Sharp and his reporting in any nefarious way, for years, I have bided my time and I have allies in UK Parliament. You will be exposed. And I'm saying that as a friend, Chris, because I want to protect you because you've had some big ass stories that were accurate and they involve the CIA.

• 1:34:56George Knapp?

  My advice to you, Chris, after a long career in journalism is this. You've been covering this stuff night after night, these incidents that keep happening. Take a night off because it will wear you down after a while. I would take the night off, go to a pub, hang out with nefarious UFO type personalities who might be in town, you know? You know, I don't know who that might be, but-

• 1:35:17Jeremy Corbell?

  He does it to me all the time. I'm gonna try right now. Don't say anything. Let me just, he does it to me all the time. He does it to me all the time. Hold on.

• 1:35:24Speaker 04

  I can guess who this is.

• 1:35:26Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, can you? Okay, hold on.

• 1:35:29Jeremy Corbell?

  Alright, he is so fucked. He's my friend. Oh, and there's this video online that's like hilarious. It's unreal and I'll tell you about it.

• 1:35:38Jeremy Corbell?

  This is, this is Girls Gone Wild Weaponized. Are you ready? Let's see.

• 1:35:44Speaker 04

  Come on, they have to figure out.

• 1:35:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, I'll mess with him if he doesn't.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think like a video message or something.

• 1:35:52Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, no, I got this. I know what I'm doing.

• 1:35:56Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, watch this. I'm gonna do it in the, if he's in the UK, I don't do normal text, so I'm gonna do a video message right now.

• 1:36:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Lou, I know where you are. I know who you're with. So, I'm right now on video with Christopher Sharp, with George motherfucking Knapp.

• 1:36:20George Knapp?

  Lou, where you hiding?

• 1:36:21Jeremy Corbell?

  I want to talk to you about a video people put out in Congress about you and me having some argument where I attacked you about getting Geico insurance or something really weird. Video me back. I'm on with Chris. I just want to have a moment where we can talk. Hit me right now. Come on, buddy. You do this to me all the time.

• 1:36:40Speaker 04

  I mean, from what I saw, that was a full and heated argument and you guys are like worse enemies now. Is that correct?

• 1:36:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Hold on. Tell me what you saw. I want to, I want to play this. What, what did you see? And what was said? I, I didn't read, but I was sent the video.

• 1:36:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I, I saw you just push a poor lady out of the way and she went tumbling down. Poor lady, you know? And I think he might have pointed at her and laughed or something. And then, then you screamed at Lou and you manhandled Lou and yeah, it seemed like a full out argument.

• 1:37:13Jeremy Corbell?

  I just wanted to make sure that he had like Geico insurance for his car because I know he rented one. I, I don't know what that was. Look, let's stop making a joke. Let's play the video.

• 1:38:32Jeremy Corbell?

  Lou told the truth in Congress. Lou has told the truth to the best of his ability that I know of up to date. Lou has not lied to the American public. I hope he doesn't lie in the future, but he hasn't lied yet. So I went over to him and somebody put some video online and they like slowed it down and repeated it when it looked like I body checked some chick, but we were just two gravitational forces moving around each other. No contact was made. And then I talked to Lou, but it's right after he comes out of hearing. I just happened to see him out the corner of my eye. I'm like, hey Lou, you told the truth, but Congress lied. And he said to me, wait, I'm not tracking. Oh, we talked after that a bunch, right? But like in that moment, they sped it up even like he's trying to get away from me. Oh my Lord, Lou is my friend.

• 1:39:17Jeremy Corbell?

  Lou even said to me, Lou says, oh man, come on, we should have fun with this. Like, let's like tell people what was really going on. I'm like, no, no, no. Let's let them talk. I want to see who makes up fake stories and propagates them so I can catalog like Santa, all their names and know if they're naughty or nice, so I can find out who they are. It was hilarious, man. Lou is a good friend of all of ours. This has nothing to do with UFO world. He's just a good dude. And then he's also told the truth. And that to me is important. So he didn't know that Congress lied. But he knows now. So that interaction was just me being like, oh my God, what's going on? And I went up to Lou. Dude, he's a good friend.

• 1:40:01Jeremy Corbell?

  It's so crazy to me. If people just look at the things put online and then how people want to twist it, what they should look at is who's trying to twist it? What are they trying to twist it to? And why?

• 1:40:15Speaker 04

  And you're correct, there's a bigger picture emerging now and people need to, um, to look at the forest, not the trees. Um, uh, because there is a bigger pattern emerging, there's a bigger jet emerging.

• 1:40:28Jeremy Corbell?

  What's the bigger pander?

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  Like we said, it's the technology. Who's in position at the moment? Who, who, so who, who funded Trump's incoming national security advisor?

• 1:40:39Jeremy Corbell?

  Who did?

• 1:40:40Speaker 04

  Well, who, who also funded the vice president in his senate race when he was losing his senate race?

• 1:40:47Jeremy Corbell?

  I don't know.

• 1:40:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:40:50George Knapp?

  His initials are P T.

• 1:40:54Speaker 04

  So yeah, you look at all these people coming into important positions and a lot of them have a common Fred. Um, in terms of who they are funded by.

• 1:41:05Jeremy Corbell?

  No, I, I, I'm dead. Who are you talking about and who funded all these people?

• 1:41:12Speaker 04

  So we know that Peter Phil has funded these people. So.

• 1:41:21Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, come on. Can I turn this camera around? Come on, Lou. Okay, hold on. I don't know how to best. How do we do this? Hold on.

• 1:41:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Hey, what's up? Everybody thinks, everybody thinks I like, I screamed at you and I body checked somebody, but there you are with your beautiful wife.

• 1:41:41Jeremy Corbell?

  Where are you?

• 1:41:43Speaker 05

  Not at all.

• 1:41:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Where, where are you?

• 1:41:49Speaker 05

  We're in London. We're at the hotel.

• 1:41:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Dude, what are you doing in London? Hey Jen, what are you doing in London, Lou?

• 1:41:55Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't know. Just loving.

• 1:41:59Jeremy Corbell?

  Dude, I, this is gonna cause so many conspiracy theories. I don't know if you can see us properly.

• 1:42:05Speaker 05

  Somebody wants to say hi.

• 1:42:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Uh oh. Oh my gosh, hold on. Alex, eh, both of you, what are you doing?

• 1:42:16Speaker 05

  We're having a, a, a, a working vacation.

• 1:42:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay. Well, welcome to Weaponized. Hold on, hold on. The whole Lou Elizondo family. Welcome, welcome. The whole clan. Welcome to Weaponized. Welcome to Weaponized.

• 1:42:31George Knapp?

  Oh, there's gonna be some stories about this night.

• 1:42:33Speaker 05

  Brad, how are you, brother?

• 1:42:35Jeremy Corbell?

  How are you? I'm good, brother. Long time no see, right?

• 1:42:40George Knapp?

  This should be a film. Chris Sharp meets the Elizondo clan in London?

• 1:42:46Jeremy Corbell?

  I know.

• 1:42:47George Knapp?

  Heads will roll.

• 1:42:53Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, man. So Lu, listen, I want to hit a couple nails on the head. So one day, people are saying, "Oh, so these guys must not like Lu because he hasn't been on Weaponized." We want to come see you guys and hang out with you. That's first of all.

• 1:43:06Speaker 05

  I know, brother. People, people talk a bunch of, you know, that's why I don't get on X other than to answer people directly because for whatever reason, people have this weird, cockamamie idea that, you know, they see something, they fill in the blanks, like we're fighting or something. I'm like, dude, like Jeremy and George are my brothers. What are you talking about? I mean, we break bread together.

• 1:43:31Jeremy Corbell?

  I know, man.

• 1:43:32Speaker 05

  So when are you coming to Wyoming? Yeah, when are you guys coming to Wyoming?

• 1:43:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Very soon. I just got to get George Knapp the package from point A to point B. It'll be easy. It'll be easy.

• 1:43:41Speaker 05

  Damn it, George, when are you coming over, man?

• 1:43:44George Knapp?

  Things are easing up for me a little bit. I've been on the road for a long time and a lot of traveling for Weaponized, for Netflix, for KLAS, so I'm, I'm with the board. I hear, I hear winter is just lovely in Wyoming. It's nice. It's moderate.

• 1:44:00Speaker 05

  So best time is when it comes? Yeah, if you like baking igloos and, you know.

• 1:44:05George Knapp?

  No angels.

• 1:44:06Speaker 05

  Arctic lifestyle.

• 1:44:08Jeremy Corbell?

  Hey, hey, listen. So a lot of people are going to make up all these weird things about, like, you know, you jumping on Weaponized. Why haven't you been on? Why haven't we mentioned your book?

• 1:44:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know what? Why haven't I been on? Damn it.

• 1:44:18Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I don't know. No, no, no, no, don't do that. Don't, don't mean it. Okay, but, but here's the deal.

• 1:44:23Speaker 05

  I'm just kidding, brother. I know, I know.

• 1:44:24Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, but let, let's squash one thing. I came up to you in the hallway where they pretended that I body checked some chick that's like was with you in a blue thing. Did I, did I?

• 1:44:36Speaker 06

  Did I

• 1:44:37Speaker 05

  Honestly, it's I, I, I, yeah, okay, I'll catch up there. Um, the truth be told, look, I'm really disappointed. I didn't save 15% on my auto insurance. I'm just, you know, heartbroken and, look, you had to be the bearer of bad news. I get it.

• 1:44:54Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, he, he wasn't with Geico. He wasn't with Geico, guys.

• 1:44:58Speaker 05

  No, I wasn't with Geico and, and, you know, I, I, lesson learned, you know, shame on me. But, you know, I, I'm, I'm wiser for it.

• 1:45:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so is your friend okay? Or did I like knock her down? Is she okay?

• 1:45:10Speaker 05

  Um, I think so. She, I mean, she needed a couple stitches, but she's okay.

• 1:45:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, and, and so Lou, I was coming up to you just to congratulate you. I just saw you at the corner of my eye and I was like, dude, you told the truth. I was like, Congress lied, and I'll talk to you more about that later, Lou, but you told the truth. And, and you were up against stuff where you wanted to tell more but could only tell in a secure environment. I just like, we'll, we'll do this right later.

• 1:45:35Speaker 05

  My daughter Taylor, she says hi.

• 1:45:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Hold on, let me see your, let me see your pretty daughters. Hold on, hold on. What's up? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you are, well, of course. Hey, hey, good to see you. Look at, look at these guys, these handsome guys.

• 1:45:51Speaker 04

  I spoke to them, I spoke to them today. They're wonderful girls.

• 1:45:54Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:55Speaker 04

  Very, very proud Barbara.

• 1:45:56Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I miss you guys. I, I can't wait to come out and, and hang out in Wyoming. Uh, hopefully you get the whole family together, but I love you guys and people just don't know, so they make up shit. I just wanted to say hi. That's it. We'll do a proper.

• 1:46:09Speaker 05

  It's part of my life. Every time I get on, on X, all I see are these weird conspiracies that, you know, Lou is working social media for some weird maniacal reason. I, you know, second.

• 1:46:21Jeremy Corbell?

  No, no, hold on, hold on. Let me ask your daughters. Come on, come, come forward. Is Lou, is your dad a maniacal guy and, and he's a wizard and he's magically messing with everybody about the truth?

• 1:46:32Speaker 06

  Um, he may be a wizard, but he's not a maniacal one.

• 1:46:37Speaker 06

  He's more like Gandalf, the white.

• 1:46:41Jeremy Corbell?

  I love you pops. I love you guys.

• 1:46:44Speaker 05

  Right? Efforts on white.

• 1:46:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Hey, look, we're all getting gray. We're gonna get like George Knappia Silver Fox one day if we're lucky. But, um, anyway, Lou.

• 1:46:53Speaker 05

  George wears it well. I, I don't. I, you know, I just look like Santa, like fat Santa Claus.

• 1:47:00Jeremy Corbell?

  Hey, listen, self-deprecation doesn't work. Um, I love you guys. Have a great trip and I just wanted to fuck around a little bit. But we'll do this right. We'll do this right. I love you guys. I'll see you later.

• 1:47:11Speaker 05

  Take care, brother. Love you, man. Be safe. Good to see you again, Chris. What is 53 hours? Bye, guys.

• 1:47:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Later, guys.

• 1:47:20George Knapp?

  And that's gonna throw us off the trail. Good seeing you, Chris. Like, you're not gonna meet up later.

• 1:47:28George Knapp?

  Tongues will wag.

• 1:47:29Jeremy Corbell?

  Anyway, look, this is a very real episode. I just wanted to have friends on and talk with George and hang out. But Chris, thank you so much for the work you're doing. Look, we don't know the ultimate truth. You know, we can think all these things through, but your reporting is inspiring. You as a human being are inspiring. As a friend, you're inspiring. I, I just really appreciate the work you do. Don't stop. Don't listen to the negative stuff. Just fight, fight, fight, brother. Just keep going. Go, go, go. You know, go, go UFO, brother. That's what's up.

• 1:47:59George Knapp?

  A lot of confusing signals came out from that hearing. I mean, it's a mixed bag, you know?

• 1:48:03Jeremy Corbell?

  Why?

• 1:48:05George Knapp?

  Well, look, I, I think my impression is, on one level, both subtle and overt, uh, it's important that those hearings happen. Politicians who, elected officials, put their reputations and their careers on the line when they give credence to the subject. You know, there were 50 years where there were no hearings. We've had a couple, and although they don't go as far as the public would like, as, as far as UAP enthusiasts would like, it's important to have them. It was important to hear those things from Lou Elizondo.

• 1:48:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:37George Knapp?

  Is there a crash retrieval program? Yes. Is there a reverse engineering program? Yes. Is it being hidden from the public and from Congress? Yes. Those are all good things to get on the record. This is a hearing before a congressional committee. It is, the witnesses are under oath. It is televised to the whole world. That's important for the subject, for the credibility of the old brawl subject. But at the same time, where people like Tim Burchett are moving the ball forward, who are standing up for the truth. There was a lot of gamesmanship that was pretty obvious to anyone who was paying attention. What the hell was that? Who said you elected members of Congress are not allowed to ask questions about X, Y, or Z? Who the hell does that?

• 1:49:22George Knapp?

  Says whom? Do you know?

• 1:49:25Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, but I, I, I think let's wait. What I want to do is I want to see how hungry people are for truth. How many lies they're going to tell themselves and tell each other? And I want to see if people really want to know the truth. Um, look, man, you said something a second ago. You said that politicians put their credit on the line. Now, now I get that with people like Representative Burchett. He's the only one in Congress that told the truth. The only one. So like, I, I want to know like what that means because I see people benefiting from talking about this and not putting their credit on the line.

• 1:50:08Jeremy Corbell?

  And, and that's different.

• 1:50:11George Knapp?

  I know what you mean. I'm, I'm just looking at the broad scope of history.

• 1:50:14Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 1:50:15George Knapp?

  And the law, broad scope of American discussion of the UFO mystery.

• 1:50:21Jeremy Corbell?

  Got it.

• 1:50:21George Knapp?

  It is risky for elected officials to be out in front on this issue because so much of it is wacky.

• 1:50:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Right.

• 1:50:27George Knapp?

  90, 95% of the cases are explainable. All kinds of conspiracy theorists get involved with this stuff. People make things up. There is disinformation that is an active effort by government agencies, ongoing.

• 1:50:43Jeremy Corbell?

  Higher.

• 1:50:43George Knapp?

  Military. They muddy the waters. They stir things up. They keep us off balance on purpose. It's not an accident that so much disinformation is out there or that it's not taken seriously or the stigma. All those things were discussed and planned a long time ago. And it is still a fact that these elected members of Congress have some risk to their credibility when they get out in front on that issue. So I give them credit for having the hearing, for stepping forward, for appearing to be champions for transparency. However. There's other things that were clearly going on behind the scenes. The fact that this hearing happened at all? What the ultimate goals were for some of the people who participated?

• 1:51:28George Knapp?

  Because we see lots of different threads that pulled together weave a more interesting tapestry. That there's, there's big things behind the scenes that are underway right now involving the UFO issue. And we're just sticking our nose under the tent and getting a little glimpse. You and I maybe have a better glimpse of that, but the public is seeing only a little tiny bit of it.

• 1:51:51Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, we're going to make sure they see the whole of it. But before we do that, I want to go back. Now I understand what you're saying. You know, it's been denial. It's been ridicule set up directly by, I think it was the Condon Committee and the FBI. The whole idea of conspiracy theorists and UAP and like, you know, getting people to look wacky. So we're up against a lot, but I, I do think the history of hearings is kind of what you're talking about now. I had this moment where I looked back at my life and I looked at like these images from the Citizen Hero on Disclosure, which Ruben Langdon set up and I helped with that. And that was five congresspeople, one senator, 40 witnesses, seven days almost, I believe, of testimony.

• 1:52:35Jeremy Corbell?

  That was in 2013. New York Times covered it. I took that New York Times article to somebody and I showed it to them. And I was like, yeah, we're really pushing here. And what I realized you're saying is that for so long, we've been lied to and you've been lied to. And you've documented how you've been lied to about UFOs. So as far as hearings, it hadn't happened in 50 years. I'm looking at myself in 2013 being like, oh shit, we're trying to have a hearing on UFOs. Oh, that'll never happen again. And boom, they start happening again. Representative Carson says my name in the hearing. I'm like, what the fuck? It was so bizarre. That was the first hearing in 50 years. People forget that. They think it was with Grush. It wasn't. That was the second hearing.

• 1:53:19Jeremy Corbell?

  And that hearing only happened because Representative Burchett and I fought for it. So, so here we are now and we've had verified. We've had three public hearings. However, there have been a lot of behind scenes, private witness testimony. And I had been part of that. If you really hear what was muffled under what Representative Burchett said when somebody coughed into the microphone. When he was trying to say something, when he got his five minutes, there's something he said. So, so to your point, I agree. It's so amazing, the history of hearings. We are having them, but I want to tell you something which you might not know because you weren't there this time. Because you put me off leash. You were like, oh, just go crazy.

• 1:54:04Jeremy Corbell?

  You weren't there on me to protect me from being myself. This is what I realized last night. I'm laying there, I'm thinking, what was so different about this hearing? We have good people testifying. We got that cool guy from NASA, Mike, with his cool son and his government relations woman who was right there with him. You know, we had Lou Elizondo, I'm going to say good people, we had Lou Elizondo, right? Dude, that guy was amazing. The feeling in the room, George. When you were there the first time, the feeling in the room was like celebration, like finally, like wow, we're talking about this with our mouths out loud. And we're saying it out loud and people are saying it who are in position to know.

• 1:54:44Jeremy Corbell?

  Like David Grush, who is who he says he is, who had the job he said he did, who had the access he said he did whole way through. The feeling was different this time and I couldn't really put my finger on it. It was ominous. It was weird. I was pumped. I did all these texts before. I'm like, oh, it's coming out. Shit's coming out. Well, that's because I had something. I had something. We had something to say, to come out. Now that didn't happen, not that way, but that's okay. There are other ways things can come out. So the feeling in the room, George, I finally put my finger on it. I did last night for real. First time was real. It was honest. This hearing was dishonest.

• 1:55:30Jeremy Corbell?

  Now, not serious, she's talking at me.

• 1:55:34Jeremy Corbell?

  This hearing was dishonest. Now, now, now, Lou Elizondo is an example, just one example. He was honest. He told the truth. Don't fuck with my words. The entire setup, the hearing itself, the months of me working with accountability and oversight, the calls you were on, the calls I brought other people on, the people I walked into offices. I don't want to say too much right now, but that was the difference, George. The feeling, if you were in there, you would have told me like this. That's the difference. I, it didn't register till now. The entire hearing was controlled. Now, I'm either crazy or I'm saying a lie or whatever people want to say, but I bet we're

• 1:56:19Jeremy Corbell?

  gonna find out.

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• 1:56:50George Knapp?

  So we'll be, we'll be definitely hearing more about Congress and people behind Congress and manipulations and things that are taking place. And maybe it all ends up in a good place. It, it could end up being a positive sort of a development, even though underhanded, dishonest tactics are being used to get there. As, as the public goes forward, if these intrusions continue, swarms over sensitive military installations in this country and in other countries, if that continues, and if our government and other governments continue to say it's just drones, just everybody who, when you read those stories or hear the word drones, think in your head swamp gas.

• 1:57:32George Knapp?

  Just make that substitution because drones are the new swamp gas. They use drones as a generic sort of a term, nothing to worry about. You know, we, we don't know where they're from, but they're not Shooting anything. They're not blowing us up. So eh, we're not all that concerned. Well, they are concerned. They don't know where they came from. We don't. We don't have the capabilities to shoot them down. Isn't this is not a new thing. We didn't get into it in in this episode, but this stuff has been building for a long time. I mean, as we've discussed before, in the late nineteen forties, green fireballs orbs appearing over nuclear installations, labs, facilities in New Mexico. I think you've got something that you shared on the Joe Rogan show from nineteen sixty about an object. Describe it. It's a.

• 1:58:16Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, it's a it's a cube with a spherical aura. It's nineteen sixty from Alamagordo in the newspaper. I did show that on our pal Joe Rogan's podcast. You know, it's ahead of its time, you know, showing something like that, but it was to show that this is not new. This is something that has been going on a long time. Alamagordo nineteen sixty. Yeah, and a military plane and a civilian plane saw it, a cube with a spherical aura. Yeah.

• 1:58:42George Knapp?

  The same things were being seen off the East Coast by US Navy pilots training out there. They reported it a bunch of times. And we have the stories that we have broken, not just long ago history, things that we have broken. In twenty eighteen, I shared with the public the idea that these naval aviators in these training areas, Oceana, the biggest naval airbase on the East Coast, vital to US national security, these pilots flying out every day into these training areas, these zones, were seeing odd craft just sitting there. I guess we can call them drones, but they're it's not just one or two. It was a bunch of them. They all all kind of look different.

• 1:59:21George Knapp?

  And I remember that one day, one crew took pictures of three different objects within in the course of an hour, all of them different. We don't know where any of them came from or how they can sit there days at a time, just sitting there in high winds, doing whatever. And you know, for when I reported that in 2018, that pilots are seeing that every day, nobody believed me. I thought they made it up. And then along comes, you know, Gimbal and Go Fast, those things. And then 2019, the West Coast? People are trying to dismiss that as well. Okay, I guess these were drones. Well, what kind of super drones are they? That the USS Omaha, that image that followed that Omaha ship, they tried to take it down.

• 2:00:06George Knapp?

  I mean, you believe that to be the case.

• 2:00:08Jeremy Corbell?

  No, no, I know that to be the case on multiple ships.

• 2:00:11George Knapp?

  They tried and they couldn't. And you know, that thing followed them for a long time. Here's the other part, drones that can be sometimes picked up on radar and sometimes not. You got that video that we showed, a swarm of these things. They'd come in and out. Sometimes they're on the screen and sometimes they're off. It had anti-tracking capabilities, stealth capabilities. Who's flying those drones? It's not the BASTRAIT. It's not Chinese drones. They come out of nowhere. They go nowhere. They can't track them. They can't take them down. We're not supposed to be worried about that? I mean, over Colorado, was it 2022? Hundreds of these things in the adjacent to ICBM nuclear facilities, military sensitive installations.

• 2:00:56George Knapp?

  They're traveling in patterns for weeks. Lots of people see them. They're recorded. That's still an unsolved mystery. And now we got them at Langley and over Duke, a nuclear energy station, PANTEX.

• 2:01:09Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, or we'll learn more about that in too, PANTEX and the Jelly.

• 2:01:13George Knapp?

  Drones, don't worry about it, you know.

• 2:01:16Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, but George, they are drones. Drones are things that are autonomously controlled. I have to look up the definition, but so it's not a lie. It's like, it's like with Susan Gao or Susan Go when she was like, oh, Immaculate Constellation. We have nothing in that Department of Defense. That's because it was an unacknowledged special access program outside of the purview of DoD, although they were used to actuate it. It was actually originated just like how Department of Energy or the White House can create a USAP. So the thing is, is you can lie by telling the truth. And one last thing, shoot downs. They didn't believe you when you reported what pilots were reporting to you that like this was happening every day. And I have footage of that when you, one of the first

• 2:02:00Jeremy Corbell?

  times you said it publicly. I'll try to find it. People didn't believe you. They also went on the news and didn't believe us when we said that UAP are being shot at. And in fact, people don't understand how hard it was to get that image. It looks like Cumber the Frog. It's ridiculous, but we got an image out of a UAP that everybody should go look up because it's going to come very pertinent within the next two months. And that is an event, we called it the Syria Dome UAP. And that was from a direct shoot down attempt. And so people should start listening. If in reporting, journalists have been right before, they may be right in the future. So I just wanted to say something else that they didn't

• 2:02:44Jeremy Corbell?

  believe is when we talked about shoot downs, George, and it turns out we were correct. So, question. Are you proud of your Netflix show? It's fucking great. Are you proud of it?

• 2:02:55George Knapp?

  Yeah, that's good. I mean, you know, I'm a, I'm hard to please. So there's all kinds of things I'd like to be able to do in that that weren't there. We shot so much stuff that did not make the cut. There's a great conversation. Jacques Vallée is in in the series, but he and I went to another location and talked for hours. Great stuff. Colaris and other things he'd been there before, didn't make it.

• 2:03:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Wow.

• 2:03:19George Knapp?

  Kevin, Kevin Canuth is somebody else we talked to at length who had done some really great work. We flew to Mexico City and were there for a couple of days and got somebody on camera who has never been on camera before, and it did not make the cut.

• 2:03:31Jeremy Corbell?

  Who, who?

• 2:03:32George Knapp?

  You know, it's a, I'm gonna, I think I'm not allowed to say what that is because maybe if the project goes forward or has another season, we'll get into that, but.

• 2:03:42Jeremy Corbell?

  And if it does, you're gonna spill the beans.

• 2:03:45George Knapp?

  Yeah, I will. Sure. Yeah. If it doesn't go on, I'll spill the beans. But you know, there was a lot of great content that didn't make it. Can only crowd, crowd so much of it in there. It's, it moves pretty fast. The series is, is good. I mean, you know, I always would like to have more stuff. But it's, there's no slow movement there at all.

• 2:04:04Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, look, you're proud of it because this is stuff that you do that a lot of people don't get to see. I mean, obviously you're traveling the world. You've done that all the way from back in the day, going to Russia and all this stuff. So you should be proud of it. It's really cool just to see you do it. But it sounds like there's so much more. And if you're not like, you know, working with them, you know, you should tell everybody all these stories that happened. But look, man, I learned so much. One of the most compelling things about the, um, the series, other than like cattle mutilations and crop circles. Holy shit, I think UFOs are real now. It really blew my mind. You had this thing in Brazil and they just kind of glossed over it. There's a dude that you're on the beach with and they show this red orb and it fucking leaves like instantaneous movement.

• 2:04:49Jeremy Corbell?

  It appears and then you've got, they've got pictures in the jungle of a flying saucer over treetops, over a field. Like, did you Photoshop that? Did they? Or is that a real photo of a flying frickin' saucer?

• 2:05:05George Knapp?

  Yeah, I don't know what it is. We didn't Photoshop it. The guy had it on his cell phone camera there. I didn't even know we were gonna see it on my cell. You know, and he had described it. Other people described the same stuff in that, in that same general area. I think that was Barcarena. A lovely little garden spot, uh, in the jungle, um, where we stayed one eventful night. Yeah, Brazil is a beautiful country. It was so great. All the people, Tiago, our friend Tiago, had helped us out so much. And, uh, it was, that was an adventure of a lifetime. We got great stuff. Again, there was more of that that we did not, weren't able to fit in. And, um, you know, Brazil has a long, colorful history of UFO, USO incidents.

• 2:05:46George Knapp?

  That Calara's case is serious. I mean, it is unlike anything else in, in the history of UFOs. It's an outlier. You know, where as many as 2,000 people were injured, things come out of the river, out of the sky, out of the ground. Shoot laser beams at people that were actually filaments that took blood, caused serious medical problems for a lot of them. And those people. People have been quiet, the victims, the people who are targeted, haven't been on camera. I've heard many UFO people whine, oh, I know all about this stuff. Well, really? That's a pretty impressive knowledge base because I've been at this a long time. I know a lot of stuff. And if you're telling me you knew everything in that, then you're our UFO god because I didn't know it. I learned stuff every step of the way, you know?

• 2:06:32Jeremy Corbell?

  That was amazing to see you learn that and like to have these people come forward for the first time. Yeah, man, look, this is just like, I learned a lot from watching it. Like, I don't know, it'll always be up there on Netflix or until the contract for it is out, but like, you should watch it. People should watch it. I learned a lot. It's entertaining, but it was really cool seeing you. So, but anyways, I also want to say real quick, so I got a friend, he's been on our show, his name is Chris Ramsey. And he's a very famous magician and like puzzle solver guy. But one of the most impressive human beings that I've met because of his desire and his hunger for the truth. So I'm known to once in a while jump on Twitter and start doing a bunch of tweets, you know, and people, I know I'm hard to read.

• 2:07:16Jeremy Corbell?

  I don't know if that's by design. I have to see a psychologist. I don't know. But I said this whole thing about, oh, truth, truth, truth. Chris tells the truth. I posted some video, oh, truth, truth, truth. I don't know what I was doing. And then he goes on VETTED today, which is a very cool podcast. This guy, I'm a fan. This guy, Patrick, does these daily UFO updates. And I watch that shit and I'm like, you know, whenever I get a chance and I watch it, I'm like, dude, this guy's at it every day. And he's so insightful, like he noticed something about the hearing. Patrick did on VETTED and he just like innocently said, something seems weird. And he did like this little piece on it and I was like, oh shit, that guy's watching. So, so on VETTED today, right before the show, Chris Ramsey goes on, I'm literally, I'm in the shower, I'm showering.

• 2:08:01Jeremy Corbell?

  And I'm watching VETTED and I see Chris, I'm like, dude, this is so cool. And he talked about something I posted online and then, and it was like, people thought it was like questioning Chris Ramsey or being dramatic intentionally about his honesty. Dude, it wasn't any of that. I'm a weirdo. I was just like watching. Chris's thing being like he's in for the truth. You know, he's always told me the truth. I don't know. I said something weird, but I just want to say on the show. Chris is a friend of mine, like we're texting and I did some posts because I wanted people to see his work. Because Chris is this like magician. So he like knows sleight of hand. He knows he can read people. He's a mentalist. He did all these great series on remote viewing.

• 2:08:44Jeremy Corbell?

  Like, man, the guy's amazing and he's a big guy, like a fucking warrior. Love to wrestle that guy because I used to wrestle and fight bigger guys. Anyway, that guy's a good dude and I really believe he's for the truth. I was just trying to highlight. People should watch his work, but I guess I do things in weird ways sometimes. So I just want to say fan evented. Patrick, keep it up. You noticed something in Congress that other people did it and you did it quick. And it really impressed me. And then Chris, yeah, dude, keep it up. We need people like you. So, so that's just my message. And then last thing to close out.

• 2:09:21Jeremy Corbell?

  There was a podcast and these people from ABC called me. I'm like, ABC? And they're like Australian Broadcasting Company. I was like, okay, you want to talk UFOs? Like, yeah, please. I'm like, I love talking UFOs. Let's do it. It's like three hours, right? It was like great. You know, I just get on a zoom. I talk to people and want to talk about UFOs. I knew they were recording it. But I didn't know how cool their series was going to be. It starts off, George, with this dude in Australia. With what they called, you, you notified this to me in your Netflix series. They used to call them saucer nests. Yeah. I never heard that before. So they start the whole series in episode one and two of season four. And it's called, I think it's called Expanse and the season four is called Uncropped.

• 2:10:06Jeremy Corbell?

  But that's the one. And man, I listened to it. One of your friends, George, Keith Bastafeld, who's like this badass investigator out of Australia. Who like has been after this forever. Dude, he was fantastic and he was on there. But here's the deal. I listened to the first couple of episodes. I'm like, I think I'm on this one. And they talk about these saucer nests and talk about the shame people feel and how it ruined their lives. I'm like, where is this going? This is making me upset. Then they get funny as hell. They had me on, they talk about me hearing for the first time about UFOs, Bob Lazar, listening to my boombox and my covers. It was 1988, 1989, I don't know, George Knapp comes through as Bob Lazar. I'm like, dude, this is interesting.

• 2:10:47Jeremy Corbell?

  I'm learning about my own experience. Then they start some episode where I put on some pink shirt and I walk out the door to go to Congress and there's George Knapp being like, "Okay Barbie, time to change." It was fucking hilarious. So I really recommend people go listen to all five episodes of this. I don't even know who really made it, but it's called Expanse and it's season four called Uncrop. Check it out, dude. It's really good.

• 2:11:13George Knapp?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that out or fall asleep to it sometime soon. All right. I think we've, we've covered enough ground for today, don't you think? We need to revisit our friend, the jellyfish, pretty soon, too.

• 2:11:26Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 2:11:26George Knapp?

  We go into that in the Netflix thing as well. And we hear from somebody who's fairly important in the development of that case, that incident. And we might be talking more about that soon. It seems to have picked up a little steam and momentum on social media of late.

• 2:11:41Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, so we'll talk about jellyfish. We'll talk about all the lies you're being told about jellyfish and we'll, we'll, we'll wonder why, why and by who and that whole thing. We'll do that. But I do want to be clear, in your show, I was so careful to protect direct firsthand witnesses and so were you, that when I watched it, they did what I asked, which is the exact words that everybody heard with audio was there, but they used somebody else's voice. I think that's so important for us to say, we would never endanger a firsthand whistleblower and witness by using their real voice. Could be a male, could be female, you have no idea. But I want to be-

• 2:12:23George Knapp?

  The people we work with, you got to know some of them. Jake Lauffer, Rick Sisson, Angus James, they kept their word. They're really talented television producers. The team that traveled with us, I mean, it was a big team. We had maybe 10 people we took to Brazil and it was even more than that and a couple of Mexico jaunts. But they kept their word. They protected our source. They did as we asked in dealing with the jellyfish.

• 2:12:48Jeremy Corbell?

  You don't even know our sources on that, but that one where those were exact words. So Jake, Angus, and Rick, they did what they said. They protected things and I want to thank them. And they did you right, George. They really showed a beautiful way of what you're doing. So I do have a lot of respect for them now that they've proven it, right? That they've proven they can make a show like that and tell the truth. So yeah, hats off.

• 2:13:13George Knapp?

  Okay. Taking a day off tomorrow, maybe spend time with my wife, get to reintroduce myself to my cats and you take it easy and we'll catch up soon.

• 2:13:23Jeremy Corbell?

  Hey, man. Easy does it with a Grim Reaper and a beer. You know, that's what I'm gonna do.

• 2:13:28George Knapp?

  Talk.

• 2:13:29Jeremy Corbell?

  All right. Never have so few had so much to tell, but could say so little.