#311 - Palantir & DOGE are Building The Most Terrifying Surveillance System Ever | Shane Cashman

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Shane Cashman is the best-selling author of three books including Joyless Kingdom, The F**king Lunatic, and Tales From the Inverted World. He is a staff writer for Timcast News where he has profiled Kanye West, Alex Jones, Kari Lake, and Riff Raff. SPONSORS https://aura.com/dannyjones - Get a 14 day free trial. Enough time for Aura to start scrubbing your personal info off data broker sites. http://evening.ver.so/danny - Use code DANNY for 15% off your first order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS https://shanecashman.comhttps://x.com/ShaneCashmanhttps://www.instagram.com/shanecashman Shane's YouTube channel: @TalesfromtheInvertedWorld FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Marilyn Manson's comeback 07:25 - Interviewing Kanye West 20:55 - Mountain Look Observatory & Jolly West 26:24 - Facebook whistleblower 32:09 - Zuckerberg's censorship regime 36:38 - Epstein binders 39:10 - Peter Thiel is weaponizing Christianity 47:50 - NSA & the surveillance state 53:37 - The technocracy 01:01:38 - Elon Musk 01:09:55 - AI drone warfare 01:13:52 - The dark side of Neuralink 01:22:10 - Tim Pool's podcast hijacked by CIA 01:33:45 - The Israel fetish 01:38:02 - The new military industrial complex 01:41:32 - What happened to the Trump shooter? 01:45:12 - Elon's control grid 01:57:19 - Telepathic communication 02:06:02 - MAHA 02:13:41 - Kanye is trying to rewrite the constitution 02:16:16 - Florida's death metal scene 02:20:06 - Drugs make the best music 02:24:35 - Is the government drugging us? 02:35:39 - Artificial clouds 02:41:21 - A violent U. S. civil war is coming Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:07Danny Jones?

  You know who Tom O'Neill is? Who wrote the Chaos book?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:09Danny Jones?

  Have you heard this?

• 1:09Speaker 03

  I watched your episode.

• 1:10Danny Jones?

  What did you think about that story he told?

• 1:12Speaker 03

  About Manson?

• 1:13Danny Jones?

  About Manson?

• 1:13Speaker 03

  It made perfect sense. That was before I met Manson. And so he met a different Manson. Because he met the Manson that was like, you know, into doing some wild stuff.

• 1:22Danny Jones?

  That's the Manson I would want to meet. I don't really, that's like, I don't like, I feel like that with all musicians too. Even like Gucci Man. I want the Gucci, the old Gucci, before he went to prison when he was f***ed up on drugs all the time.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  See, I liked, I like both. I like the old Gucci and I like the old Manson. But I'm happy that they're healthy now. And that they're getting like, because I still think Gucci's putting out good music. And Manson's down. This record is one of my favorites of his. But like, yeah, I mean, 90s Manson is peak art for me. That's how I grew up on that stuff.

• 1:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 03

  But his band, his band is amazing. He's got the drummer from Dillinger's "Gay Plan."

• 1:55Danny Jones?

  Is that that young dude?

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Gil Sharon, I think is his name, on drums. He played on Ira Works on Dillinger. Amazing drummer. So like live, this band is insane. It's the heaviest he's sounded.

• 2:05Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Like, it's like the 90s Manson. But now with like, people from bands I listened to like 10 years ago. That were like bigger than that scene with like "Horse the Band" and "Dillinger" and all that good stuff. I love it. Yeah, he's like, he looks, he looks great.

• 2:19Danny Jones?

  He definitely looks skinnier.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  It was a great show. Yeah, he killed it live. I was, I was really impressed. And the audiences, it was like, I think I saw his second show back after everything that's happened and he's been silent the whole time.

• 2:30Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:31Speaker 03

  Um, so yeah, yeah.

• 2:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there, uh, that, that story Tom told just sounded like,

• 2:38Danny Jones?

  like a dream come true, you know, like I wouldn't need to, I, my, my life would be complete after doing, drinking tequila and doing coke with Manson all night.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  It's like the perfect, the perfect way to meet Matt Manson, probably before like the real downfall he went through with everything like they, they just attacked this dude.

• 2:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Ruthlessly, you know, for years and I don't know, he, Manson's the guy who kind of taught me at a young age to not trust the media. You know, like how, how they came after him. I'm 39 and when I was in eighth grade, Columbine happened. And all of a sudden I'm like, this person I listened to all the time is now like this devil in the news. I'm like, that's, they're not, they're portraying him in a totally different way. So from there, I'm like, well, I can't trust these people. These talking heads are trying to sell me an idea that this person, who I, I find his art like interesting and engaging, that he's this demon who, uh, like made these kids kill people. Which is fake.

• 3:28Danny Jones?

  So do you think this is peak Manson or do you think, do you think it's?

• 3:31Speaker 03

  That's tough because I think there's different eras of peak Manson. I like, I love Mechanical Animals. I love Superstar. I love American, Portrait of American Family. They're all really good. There's some, there's some moments in there where we're not peak, we'll say that. You know, like there were some times I'm like, there's good songs, but the albums weren't great, but this is a really good album. I love this new album. I was listening, I was telling, I was listening to it on the way here this morning.

• 3:48Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna have to give it another shot.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  It's great. It's heavy. It's huge choruses. It's, it's, and it's, he's saying something like it's his way. You know, I was upset for a while because I was writing about him during this whole like,

• 3:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, were you?

• 3:58Speaker 03

  When they were like trying to just cancel him, whatever.

• 4:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  The death of Richard Wood stuff.

• 4:02Danny Jones?

  Is that when he sobered up during that whole period?

• 4:04Speaker 03

  I think so, yeah. Yeah. Probably sometime after, you know, they came after him, but like, I was thinking like, why isn't this guy is the best at coming out and just speaking his mind and putting everyone down, you know? And he was quiet the whole time. I was upset and I'm like, you know, I think now in retrospect, his art is his greatest weapon. And that's what this is like. It's not, it might not be, um, so blatant saying, you know, screw these people, you know, that this and that. But he is definitely speaking out against everything that happened to him and all these other people. I'm sure he knows that's happened to you know

• 4:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah

• 4:33Speaker 03

  And he survived it

• 4:34Danny Jones?

  What was the out what was the actual outcome of it because there's been no like big reporting on it Since it's ended

• 4:39Speaker 03

  It sucks because they settled

• 4:40Danny Jones?

  All the headlines happened when he got accused and then it kind of just fizzled out

• 4:44Speaker 03

  She won in the court of public opinion but she's a total liar fraud you know like she

• 4:49Danny Jones?

  Evan Rachel Wood

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Yeah she uh she forged an FBI letter to get like which eventually got to his house being raided they took all his stuff in LA And she she like kidnapped her own kid right from her father and took him to Tennessee Because of Manson because she was telling the kid like this guy's gonna get us so she was creating a boogeyman for her little kid Which is abuse in my opinion the kid's never met him you know he has no idea who Manson is but he's drawing pictures of this like monster

• 5:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah

• 5:16Speaker 03

  That his mom is talking about so

• 5:18Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ

• 5:19Speaker 03

  At the end I think he won it's just in the court of public opinion it's kind of like how it's always been for him

• 5:23Danny Jones?

  Right

• 5:24Speaker 03

  He did

• 5:24Danny Jones?

  You can never win like you're all you've always lost once you had to go through that kind of stuff

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Yeah yeah yeah but no he seems awesome the live shows are great dude I highly recommend it

• 5:32Danny Jones?

  Really

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Oh yeah

• 5:33Danny Jones?

  I don't know if they're touring down here but that'd be sick if they did

• 5:36Speaker 03

  This is his home area right he was Florida for a while

• 5:39Danny Jones?

  Fort Lauderdale Florida

• 5:40Speaker 03

  After Ohio he like went to uh to Florida yeah

• 5:42Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm you know what's funny you know how did you see the guy out in the lobby repairing the computer

• 5:46Speaker 03

  I did yeah

• 5:47Danny Jones?

  You want to hear a funny story

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Yes

• 5:48Danny Jones?

  His dad was the manager of a furniture store in Fort Lauderdale and worked with Manson's dad at the furniture store

• 5:57Speaker 03

  No way

• 5:58Danny Jones?

  They were both fucking furniture salesmen

• 6:00Speaker 03

  His dad sounded like a wild dude dude like dressing up like in Kiss outfits and stuff you know like this is why we got Manson because his dad is like in the Kiss Army

• 6:07Danny Jones?

  Right right right right

• 6:09Speaker 03

  That's hilarious yeah I love that but yeah no it's sick um but I think I think what happens now is like The fans understood what happened and like they've been through so many cycles of uh Whatever you want to call it I hate the word cancel I hate cancelization it's just a dumb word now it's like watered down like all these other words in the news but He's been through it for so long and through the all the battles that uh you know he he won and he's still he's like telling how tours now and killing it killing it Europe in Europe and all this stuff

• 6:35Danny Jones?

  So how how did uh

• 6:38Danny Jones?

  For people that don't know you, you you started working with uh with Tim Poole a few years ago and like so you're you're like a journalist, sort of like music journalist, and then you started like participating in the podcast and then you you did a a piece on Kanye like a um.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've done a little bit of everything.

• 6:54Danny Jones?

  Sort of like bio thing on Kanye.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  I was I was a professor for a while, like for like almost 10 years. I taught like English and journalism and stuff like that. And I was also freelancing at the time as a music journalist and all types of stuff. I wrote about history and whatnot. Um, I wrote for Pitchfork a few times and uh so I was kind of just doing everything and not political stuff at all. Uh, but then like when lockdowns happened, I felt like I was gonna puke if I didn't actually say what I was experiencing in New York where I had a uh, you know, governor who was like a genocidal maniac, you know, murdering all these old people. So I had to say something and then I kind of like losing my job. I can't be professor anymore because I'm refusing to get the shot they want me to take, all these things. And uh, so I quit and I had nothing lined up. But I had forgotten like six months prior, I applied to something that Tim said, right? And I he had some, he had a show at

• 7:39Speaker 03

  night and I didn't tune all the time, but I tuned in one day. I'm like, oh, he's asking for a writer who does exactly what I was doing. Because I did a little bit of everything, true crime, weird conspiracy stuff, music, a little bit of all that. And uh, so after I quit this professor job, a week or two later, Tim hit me up. I thought it was fake. I was like, I'm I'm so desperate. I'm going to just go to West Virginia. I forgot West Virginia was a state. I was like, that's a real thing. Uh, so I went down to West Virginia and uh, I was hired that day. And uh, so I started off just doing the Inverted World uh, show, but it was like a serialized stories, you know, I would true stories about different events, you know, conspiracies, ghost stories, paranormal stuff. Um, that kind of morphed into books and then that morphed into like me doing the weekly show. But throughout all

• 8:24Speaker 03

  that, I just had all these crazy opportunities because uh, Kanye came by that uh, what was it? Like December 20, no, November 2022. And it didn't go well. People probably remember.

• 8:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  He walked out of the studio. Tim was like, I don't know what he was saying, but Kanye was not feeling it. And he got up and walked out. I happened to be there because Tim told me the day prior that was going to happen. And I've been like a giant Kanye fan. I wouldn't be a Kanye fan if I wasn't for a Manson fan. Right? Because I see them as very similar.

• 8:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they are for sure.

• 8:53Speaker 03

  They're both like, you know, testing the zeitgeist constantly. So I was there. And he walked down, after he walked out of the studio, and I was right there. And I tried to get him to go back upstairs. I was like, yo, people want to know what you're talking about. Like, I believe what you're saying. Like, it's crazy, but it's like, go up there and just tell people what you're saying. Because, you know, it'd be great. He was like, not into it. And then I'm like, I can tell by his body language, he just doesn't want to talk about that. That is done now. Whatever was upstairs in the studio.

• 9:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Why did he actually walk out?

• 9:25Speaker 03

  It was something about like, I think Tim was rehashing conversations he had had about, you know, like the contracts and the Jewish lawyers that he'd had all week long about, like Lex Freeman. And I think he was like, rehashing that. And Kanye kept saying like, I don't want to talk about, something like that. I forget exactly what it was. But when he left, you know, that's where the whole, the whole thing, like who is they though? Came from that conversation. So it was like, it was a pretty wild time. And he came downstairs and I'm like, all right, let's just talk about music. So we talked about music real quick. I brought up his opera that no one talks about, which is a great, he wrote a great opera. And he invited me to LA. And I went out to LA and then I spent the weekend with him going to church and.

• 10:07Danny Jones?

  Going to church?

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Went to church, went to Bible study. The first day we were at his, at the Yeezy headquarters. Because I was just going to profile him. And I thought it was just going to be the one day. And I've been a fan of his for so long. Like, in June of that year, I just tweeted out, like, I'm going to interview Kanye one day. And then a few months later, it just like happened. It was very bizarre. The CIA might be behind it. I don't know. Like, who knows how this happened. But I was out there for the day and we had a great conversation about politics, religion, parenthood.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  And it was like funny because the whole world was on fire because this is like the day after he was on Alex Jones and said, I love Hitler. So now the whole world's on fire. I'm in the airport as he's saying that and people are telling me not to go. And I'm like, there's no way I'm not going like I, this is, it's important to me, but I want to hear like from him, like what's this all about?

• 10:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 03

  I think my whole interpretation was it's like Andy Kaufman, you know, I think he, he means a lot of this stuff, but I know.

• 10:56Danny Jones?

  Who's Andy Kaufman?

• 10:57Speaker 03

  He was like a great performative comedian. Comedian's kind of like, oh.

• 11:01Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  He was on SNL for a while, um, but he did a lot of, uh, he was known for like, uh.

• 11:06Danny Jones?

  Where like he doesn't acknowledge that he's doing, like he's performing, he just kind of like leans into it, says it's real.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. No one really knew if it was a bit or not.

• 11:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, this is, this has nothing, this is old stuff.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Is that Andy Kaufman from the past?

• 11:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that must be Andy Kaufman's, uh.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 11:20Danny Jones?

  Ashes.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  I love Andy Kaufman. So, and I knew Kanye liked Andy Kaufman. So I wanted to go and get his perspective on it. So it was like funny though, the whole world's on fire because of him, you know, Elon had just banned him off Twitter. Uh, all these things were happening, but inside that headquarters, it was like totally normal. Everything's fine. We were laughing, talking about art.

• 11:36Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 11:36Speaker 03

  And it was just like, I think, I think there's more to this, you know, I think he's definitely coming from a place of honesty with a lot of it, but a lot of it's also like, I want to push every possible button right now and see what happens, you know?

• 11:46Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:47Speaker 03

  Which is reminding me of like a, a man.

• 11:48Danny Jones?

  Did he acknowledge this?

• 11:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. When I asked him about that, I said, is this Andy Kaufman? He said, it's Andy Kaufman and Bruce Lee together.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  Uh, so we had a good talk and, uh, and then he invited me to go to church the next day and I, I didn't think that was actually going to happen, but he sent me the address and I showed up. He shows up all alone. Uh, with two guys. He had a driver and a homeless man that he picked up off the street. Who he called his biblical scholar and, uh, straight up this dude.

• 12:13Danny Jones?

  Biblical scholar.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Dude had like a jug of water.

• 12:16Danny Jones?

  Biblical scholar.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, we sat next to those guys in church and then, and then, uh, we wrote, I wrote some lyrics and we just had a good time. And I thought that was it. And then I, I went home and wrote my story. And, uh, you know, people were not happy. There's some people who were like, this guy, you know, is a anti Semite for even talking to Kanye West.

• 12:35Danny Jones?

  You? You're an anti Semite?

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. There's like on Media Matters.

• 12:37Danny Jones?

  Aren't you Jewish?

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was raised Jewish. I'm Christian now, but I was raised Jewish. That's why I was talking to him out there. Cause I'm like, you know, my experience growing up, I had a Catholic dad and a Jewish mother. So I was raised like a real messed up, you know? And, uh, I'm like, what you're talking about with a lot of people is so foreign to how I grew up, like poor on a farm. But I also understand like what you're saying, cause there's a lot of people in the industry who have power, who treat you wrong. But I'm like, I'm just trying to say like, it's also like this as well, right? But at the time I was actually like really thinking about being baptized and I, you know, I had been since.

• 13:08Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. After years of being militantly atheist.

• 13:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 13:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:12Danny Jones?

  Christianity is in vogue right now, man.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  It is. It's really, it's really, uh, what's a Zoolander line? It's really in right now.

• 13:17Danny Jones?

  Podcast hosts are getting baptized left and right on Instagram.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  I actually brought my, uh, holy water. We can do one.

• 13:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, did you really?

• 13:23Speaker 03

  I don't know. No.

• 13:24Danny Jones?

  I had the guy bring holy, holy oil in here one time.

• 13:26Speaker 03

  But I, I was, I was thinking about, uh, being baptized at that point. And for a year prior to me meeting Kanye, I'd done a podcast with a friend, a friend of mine. And I mostly talked about how I don't know how to pray and I was really, really interested in praying. And, uh, I didn't know how I felt like a fraud praying. And after years and years of just straight up mocking God all the time, like, you know, it's just like an atheist and just, uh, didn't know any better. Uh, and that's, you know, it's whatever, but that, the atheism was a form of religion.

• 13:53Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  And, uh, when, when I went to Kanye, it was funny, cause when I got home, the story's published. I thought that was it with Kanye. He would call me all the time. So we were on the phone now, like constantly every day, multiple times a day. And what he wants me to do is to help him write prayers. So it was hilarious to me that after a year of me like publicly saying like, I want help writing prayers or knowing how to pray. Now he's like, we're writing prayers and he's like, we're like, it's like a creative writing workshop where I'm texting him prayers and he's texting back criticisms of how to make this better, stronger prayers. And like, we would do that and like write lyrics. So, you know, it was, it was profound for me just cause I was already in the mindset of like religion being important to me all of a sudden. Cause I wanted, I knew I wanted my kids to have some religion.

• 14:33Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 14:33Speaker 03

  I was like, oh yeah. Even though I was like, I was like, I don't need it. Uh, but I want my kids. To have, just I felt like the moral structure of society was disintegrating. And they needed some kind of foundation to inherit the future that's going to be depraved. And all futures, you know, it's always depraved. The world is like a crazy world and you're always gonna have, you know, bad things out there. But for me and my wife, we were like, religion is gonna be like an anchor for them. So I took it seriously for them at first. And then for me, it became serio- I took it more seriously like later on.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  So yeah, it was, it was a weird turn of events. So like, I do all those, in terms of like the stories and writing with Tim. You know, the Kanye thing was like such a different change of pace from all the inverted world stuff.

• 15:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  It was like, why is Shane even going to LA to talk to Kanye? It made no sense, right? To anyone else I was working with, unless they knew I was a Kanye fan. Cause it wasn't like a ghost story, it wasn't aliens, it wasn't anything.

• 15:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  It was like the perfect story for me and it gave me a lot of opportunities after that. To then write a lot of different profiles of people in politics and outside of politics and in music. That were really like awesome to do, you know? I got to talk to MIA and Billy Corgan, stuff like that. And then politicians and whatnot, which are not as much fun.

• 15:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Cause they're liars.

• 15:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it was interesting to see his, the little video he did with academics. Where he like showed up at the hotel and he just seemed like totally normal guy. And then all of a sudden, he's like, hold on, let me get my, let me get my costume out of my backpack.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  That was a perfect example of Andy Kaufman. Because if you watch that, if you watch that interview, he shows up, it's super normal, like how I was explaining in the Yeezy headquarters. And then he tells academics, I'll be right back. And if you look at that exact moment, he looks at the camera and smiles, he smirks.

• 16:13Danny Jones?

  Yo Steve, is your address 6969 In Road?

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah.

• 16:19Danny Jones?

  And your kid's name is?

• 16:22Speaker 03

  Please don't share that with the internet.

• 16:24Danny Jones?

  Bro, the internet already knows, that's my point. I just found that out by Googling it.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  Uh, can you un- Google it?

• 16:29Danny Jones?

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• 17:02Speaker 04

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• 17:50Speaker 03

  And you're like, oh, wow. He, it's funny to him, like, and he comes out and it's like, it's like a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode.

• 17:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Comes out, it's like Larry David complaining about, oh, the hood in my Klansman outfit.

• 18:00Danny Jones?

  It's hiding my swastika chain.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and he puts on Timbs, you know, it's hilarious. The only thing I'll say is different with Andy Kaufman is you never knew when he was being honest. I do think Kanye saying things he does probably believe. The Twitter is a different story because I think he's just pushing every like nuclear button at the same time. But he definitely has issues with these people in the industry and like the way he sees, um,

• 18:21Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  You know, the things operating behind the scenes with Kendrick and the Super Bowl and like how you take out these celebrities. Cause when I was with him, we were talking a lot about Prince and Michael Jackson and he was worried that that was his future, right?

• 18:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 18:31Speaker 03

  And they were both kind of, in my opinion, and his murdered, right? Like Prince was given fentanyl and he didn't know it was fentanyl. He thought it was taking a painkiller and that person, I don't think they even found that person. You know, and Michael Jackson's doctor went to jail for like two years.

• 18:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  For giving him propofol.

• 18:47Danny Jones?

  Propofol, yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  You know, and Kanye having had that experience of being put away years prior. Really put him into ideas like MKUltra.

• 18:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Having a handler.

• 18:56Danny Jones?

  Crazy story with that dude Harley.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Pastor Nick.

• 18:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  It was like his trainer and he's like a trainer for a lot of celebrities.

• 19:01Danny Jones?

  Messages were fucking spooky.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  Dude, I would, as a father, I would not take that lightly. Like it was, he was threatening your family.

• 19:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 03

  And, and you're like, you know, Kanye's.

• 19:08Danny Jones?

  Play dates will never be the same.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Insane. And it's kind of what happened. Like, I'll say like.

• 19:13Danny Jones?

  It is kind of what happened.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Kanye didn't make it easy for himself by doing certain things, you know, when it comes to the family and stuff. Cause it's easy for them to play that against him. Be like, see like he's, he's crazy and stuff like that. So it's like hard, you know, I have issues sometimes with some, some of the things he does in terms of um,

• 19:29Speaker 03

  sacrificing the innocence of his children, you know, with things that he brings around them. Uh, and you know.

• 19:34Danny Jones?

  What is the story with that Harley guy? Is he just some personal trainer? Or what? Do we know what his background is?

• 19:39Speaker 03

  He's like a Canadian like handler.

• 19:41Danny Jones?

  A Canadian handler?

• 19:42Speaker 03

  From what I understand, yeah, I don't know too much about him, but like, I know he, he kind of oversees lots of celebrities. I think Justin Bieber is one of them as well. Uh, and a lot of these people who you see under his umbrella have issues. Like big time, like Bieber's and I don't know what his deal is, but people are saying he's like MKUltra now. I think it's possible, you know?

• 20:00Danny Jones?

  I think it's totally possible.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  They go after celebrities, they create celebrities, they drug celebrities, um, you know, uh, uh, what was it? Weird Scenes from Laurel Canyon? Did you ever read that one?

• 20:09Danny Jones?

  No.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  Uh, it's a good book to read after you've read something like Chaos.

• 20:13Danny Jones?

  Okay. What's it called? Weird what?

• 20:14Speaker 03

  I think it's, it's weird or wild scenes from Laurel Canyon.

• 20:17Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  Uh, and it's, I'm going to say it's not really well written, but it's got great information and interesting connections. And it's all about how basically like the counterculture was created in Laurel Canyon. From like the mamas and the papas, Frank Zappa, um, and how a lot of them might've been CIA connections. Weird, weird scenes.

• 20:34Danny Jones?

  Scenes inside the canyon.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  I think the author's gone now, unfortunately. Um, but it's good. People like talking, talk about this a lot when they come up, when they talk about Chaos. Uh, it's, it's not as well written as Chaos is like a masterpiece. I love that book. But this is really good, uh, to read after that or, and also read in, uh, with like, uh, Poisoner in Chief. That's a great book as well.

• 20:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Laurel Canyon, covert ops and the dark heart of the hippie dream.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Yeah. And they talk about like creating. Characters out of actors. Um, I forget. Oh, I forgot the guy's name now. There was one actor who was like the first guy to be arrested for having weed in like the 50s or 60s. I'm forgetting his name. Some kind of like, you know, he was a mega star.

• 21:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 03

  But in the book, they talk about how this is all pre-planned because they want to create a certain type of vibe for this guy. Right? Because it's like, how do we make him look like a bad guy in the public?

• 21:28Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Uh, and so, you know, and it goes into a lot of connections with like, um, uh, Morrison's father. Hmm. You know, and Vietnam and stuff like that. And Zappa's father, I think he was like a bio-warfare type guy or some kind of chemical warfare guy.

• 21:40Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  There's weird connections and you just be like, well, there's coincidences, you know?

• 21:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  I don't really believe in a lot of coincidences, especially when it comes to this stuff.

• 21:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  Because we know they pump out these people. Like, like Little Canyon, if you read this book, sounds like it was an assembly line. And also, uh, Mountain Look Observatory is up there.

• 21:57Danny Jones?

  What?

• 21:58Speaker 03

  That's where they say they filmed the moon landing. It's like a giant CIA underground.

• 22:02Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Headquarters. It's huge. Jared Leto owns it right now.

• 22:04Danny Jones?

  Mountain Wood?

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Mountain Look, I think. I think it's called Mountain Look Observatory.

• 22:08Danny Jones?

  Is that what Bart told us? Where they said, Bart said it was somewhere in, uh, Nevada, I think, maybe. I don't remember. Whatever. He said it was the name of some air force base.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Whatever goes on there, they say like, tens of thousands of propaganda films were pushed out of this place. And, uh, and like major stars would go there and, uh, hang out and no one really, I don't know. Like, I don't know what came out of it, you know, but that it's there.

• 22:33Danny Jones?

  Dude, I saw a photo yesterday of, um, Stanley Kubrick in somewhere in Europe where they were filming 2001 Space Odyssey. And he was like walking from the studio to like another building or whatever. And fucking Jolly West is standing right behind him.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  No. No way.

• 22:53Danny Jones?

  Find it. Google Stanley Kubrick, Jolly West.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Holy crap.

• 22:58Danny Jones?

  I think it was Brent from, uh, the dude we had in here last week, who was, who made that video.

• 23:03Speaker 03

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 23:04Danny Jones?

  Dude.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  I've seen that guy show up everywhere.

• 23:06Danny Jones?

  Jolly West is everywhere.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane.

• 23:10Danny Jones?

  Turn on the volume.

• 23:13Speaker 05

  The moon landing, I've said this in other lives before, there's a picture of Stanley Kubrick, when he's doing 2001, and he's in England, and they called the studios NASA East, which is hilarious. And he's doing his shoot there, and there's a picture of him walking with a group of guys, and they have them all identified. Except for one guy behind them, he's in a row behind them walking. And that guy that they didn't identify, that has never been identified, is Louis Jolyan West of MKUltra. And West was a specialist in controlling people, creating cults. There's a large portion of his information that's never made it out into the public, that he was working a lot with UFO people, and witches, and Satanists, and all that, to create those subcultures.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Jolyan West was running one of the free clinics in one of the counterculture areas of San Francisco. Jolyan West was running it at the time clandestinely, and Manson was there getting treatment with the Manson family. And so Jolyan West was involved with that. Jolyan West was involved with Jack Ruby. Jolyan West was involved with Sirhan Sirhan. Jolyan West was involved with Whitley Strieber, the UFO guy.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Didn't know that.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  Jolyan West was involved with

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Neither did I.

• 24:24Speaker 05

  The Stanford Research Remote Viewing Experiments.

• 24:28Speaker 05

  Jolyan West was involved with a lot of things, guys, if that's where the moon landing was shot.

• 24:33Danny Jones?

  This guy's awesome.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:35Danny Jones?

  Brent, he like covers all the craziest conspiracies, but he like, he like calls out all the bullshit online.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 24:44Danny Jones?

  Because there's, because all of these, like, like the UFO religion that exists, and all these other psychedelic religion, like he calls out all the, like, the crazy just bias that happens online with these people, and like how stupid it's becoming.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, people in every industry, including the conspiracy world, want confirmation bias. So they're willing to accept anything if it, you know, confirms their narrative that they want to believe in. I wonder if Jolly West ultra'd the astronauts, like personally? Was he alive still?

• 25:14Danny Jones?

  Might have, oh yeah. Find out, when did Jolly West die?

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Cause those guys looked crazy.

• 25:20Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I think I think they might have ultra the the women who went to fake space yesterday.

• 25:26Danny Jones?

  Nineteen ninety nine.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Oh, my goodness. What? He lived that long? That's a lot of people.

• 25:31Danny Jones?

  That's wild.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, look at it. That's crazy, dude. I would love to see. I haven't read a book on him or anything. Um, I just seen what what Tom O'Neill has written about him and like the tertiary stuff, you know, Sirhan Sirhan. I didn't know about Whitley Strieber, um, but that's.

• 25:46Danny Jones?

  I had no idea about Whitley Strieber either.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, these people are there. These are like the psycho magicians, you know, at the CIA. They talk about it in, um, Poisoner in Chief, you know, when.

• 25:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:56Speaker 03

  They they literally hired magicians to help them figure out how to control people's brains and and create illusions.

• 26:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  And they did that with the help of, uh, Hoosonogenics and stuff and.

• 26:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  You know, Ruby, it's it's.

• 26:09Danny Jones?

  Did you see the interview of Jolly West right after he came? He had that meeting with Ruby and he went to prison or whatever? He came out and he was just like, I have a immediately. I don't know if you can find the actual video of it. It's kind of hard to find, but it was in Tom's new documentary on Netflix, the new Chaos documentary.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  I haven't watched it.

• 26:24Danny Jones?

  Dude, it's so good. And, uh, he comes out and he's basically like, he's mentally unstable and he's unfit for a trial.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Really?

• 26:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, like with it with like within three hours of visiting him. He comes out and just basically makes the claim that he's completely unfit and mentally unhealthy.

• 26:40Speaker 03

  And they say in the book that he seemed fine up until Jolly showed up.

• 26:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Right? Like, everything was cool.

• 26:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  And all of a sudden, like, that's why I feel like, uh, the scarecrow from Batman is Jolly West. You know, he goes in and scares these people with some type of drug and then they all of a sudden lose their minds.

• 26:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  That's what this guy is.

• 26:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, it's crazy shit.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Now you gotta think about like, who's who's the Jolly West today? It's not even it's probably not even a person. It's just a bunch of things working together to slowly dose you out of your mind.

• 27:11Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Nice slow dose out of the out of the sky or whatever they're putting it in your.

• 27:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they don't need drugs to control minds anymore. They got computers to do that. They got social media and all this, all this stuff to do all that work for them.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're definitely doing that. I was the whistleblower from, uh, Facebook. Did you see this from yesterday?

• 27:27Danny Jones?

  No.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  They had this crazy whistleblower about Facebook, uh, before the Senate, and she was talking about how, um, Facebook secretly watches, like they can target specific age groups. And in particular, she was saying.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  Facebook was looking at seventeen to eighteen year old girls. And if they delete a selfie, it might mean they're a little depressed. And they send that data to advertisers because they believe that when you're sad, you're more willing to buy something.

• 27:54Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. And like she had this whole thing about it, like it's insane, you know? And like they're just harvesting all the data.

• 28:00Danny Jones?

  This was just yesterday she said this came out?

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yup.

• 28:03Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  She's, she's saying, and she's, you know, who knows? I feel like everyone lies when they're testifying. But she's saying that he, you know, Zuckerberg was lying under oath about all that years ago. Cause they're worried about this back in twenty eighteen.

• 28:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  How they target people either individually to censor them or like large groups of people to see if they can sell to advertisers.

• 28:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  So that's just like one type of group, you know, the young teenagers, you know, women who seem depressed. And they're like, well, they might need this new handbag. We're gonna send this information to this so and so, and they're gonna get this ad now. And they're monitoring it that closely.

• 28:35Danny Jones?

  That's crazy dude.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  That's dark dude.

• 28:38Danny Jones?

  That is dark.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  That is very, very dark world. I like, I don't want my kids to have social media.

• 28:43Danny Jones?

  No, me neither. I don't want my kid to have a smartphone.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, for sure. I'm gonna give my kid like a telephone booth.

• 28:48Danny Jones?

  Telephone booth?

• 28:50Speaker 03

  But you're Superman now. I really, I just don't trust it. I think it's very harmful.

• 28:55Danny Jones?

  I, I think it's, there's, um, there's like this kinda like, uh, small movement of tech companies trying to like dumb, dumb down technology to make it more primitive. Like there's this company that I have this, this thing right here, this thing is called a daylight computer. It's basically like a computer slash iPad.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:14Danny Jones?

  And there's like, there's no blue light in it at all.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 29:18Danny Jones?

  So like the blue lights like really fucks up the, the chemicals in your brain. Like when you do it and it's super addictive. It's like a dopamine slot machine, like when you're staring at a phone. And this thing has none of it. It's only like the red amber light. And it's like really good for reading. So like if I, if I sit up at night and I like will read a PDF or read a Kindle book on this thing.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:38Danny Jones?

  I literally, I'm asleep within thirty minutes. I can't sit up and read, like with a Kindle or with a phone, you can sit up for hours and scroll through stuff. And next thing you know, it's one in the morning.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  I'm doing this. The red light.

• 29:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not as good.

• 29:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it helps. No, it definitely helps.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  Addicted and I'm not rooting like a crazy person, all this stuff.

• 29:56Danny Jones?

  And yeah, it definitely has helped, but like I prefer, that's awesome. Yeah, dude, this thing's incredible. And there's also companies that are selling like phones that are like super dumbed down with like no connection. And like, you know, the only calls and texts.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  I just keep telling my wife, we're gonna be Amish. I'm slowly removing every piece of technology from my house until we're, she wakes up and we're Amish. Like, welcome back to the past. Like, I grew up on a farm, dude, without like anything. I mean, we had things, but we didn't have, I didn't have a computer growing up.

• 30:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Didn't have, we had a TV at a certain point, but that, even that TV only had a few channels. So I'm like, I realize I have like weird Luddite capabilities like in me already, just from like not having air conditioning, not having internet and like having to have special permission to like handwrite my essays to hand into the school. Cause they're like, oh Shane, poor Shane doesn't have a computer to pronounce. My chicken scratch is now being handed in. And like I, so like I learned about computers way later than everyone else. Like obviously, you know, I go to friends' houses and be like, oh wow, that's cool. I can use Napster here or something.

• 30:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  I'm reading magazines and stuff, so I know what's going on. I wasn't completely under a rock, but pretty under a rock. But like, I just see, uh, there's so many, so many positives come out of this stuff. But I think the negative stuff outweighs the positives, especially when you're seeing kids who are raised in that world.

• 31:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  And like, I think it's good that they're trying to dumb down technology and get it back to its core. But there's so many kids who are, who are trapped in like this fake, their digital life means more to them than their real life. Which is why I think we have more nihilism today and people with meaninglessness. And it's like, you know, violence is, violence is a human, it's always been here. But there just seems to be like a different type of recklessness and nihilism today.

• 31:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  With kids like they're, you know, killing themselves by accident, making selfies.

• 31:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  It's all for the digital, you know, for the likes and stuff. And then knowing that those companies like Facebook was just telling you, they take advantage of that. So they're, they're like steering you, which is then what you were saying, MKUltra, but we're MKUltra-ing ourselves.

• 31:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but like, is it, is it futile to try to fight it? Or is this just the way we go?

• 31:57Speaker 03

  We have to fight it.

• 31:59Danny Jones?

  Like with human beings, where we are human beings because of technology.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:04Danny Jones?

  Like if it wasn't for fire, we wouldn't look the way we look today.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:07Danny Jones?

  You know what I mean?

• 32:08Speaker 03

  I don't want to be anti-tech because I love that we get to do this.

• 32:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  This is amazing. I got to fly here, you know, and if I drove here, it'd be 24 hours. This is amazing. I'm not anti-tech and I think that's the Luddites kind of get a bad rap because they're not really, they weren't anti-tech either. They were anti being, they were anti like the tyranny of mass autonomy. So like they were using the technology of the day in 1810 or 1811, like the weavers, you know, to make textiles. But when factories were being built and being filled with those machines and displacing those people's jobs is when they started attacking the machinery. So they weren't technically anti-tech, you know, and I feel like, although I'm against the violence aspect, I'm, I'm against being, uh, you know, out, autonomated, out of like a work, out of work, and that's going to happen across the world. So it's inevitable.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  It is futile. I think it's a, I just think it's going to come down to like society having more ethics. Built into it, but it's going to be on an individual level because the companies that are doing it like Facebook, like Google, like all these places, they have, there's, ethics aren't a thing. You know, they're working directly like Zuckerberg, they're saying in that whistleblower thing the other day, he's working directly with China to build a censorship regime. And they're censoring people.

• 33:17Danny Jones?

  Zuckerberg?

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, for years. They called it censorship regime and they called the person over, who was it? The chief editor. It's like so Orwellian. Uh, so this person would oversee all these things. If anything got a certain amount of likes, the chief editor would, it would come to his desk and be like, okay, we got to de-boost this or whatever. So just nuke it out of obliv, into oblivion. Uh, and they would, and the Chinese government through these, you know, leaks that they're getting with the emails and stuff. They would say like, hey, this is someone on American soil right now, but he's saying stuff we don't like here in China. So you gotta like, get rid of that account. And they would do it. Uh, so like they have no ethics and I, I think like Zuckerberg is a complete fraud. You know, when he has this rebrand lately and it was like, I'm pro-Trump and I have a pro now.

• 33:59Danny Jones?

  So unnatural, the chain.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  I understand like, yeah, he looks like little Dicky.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Like I don't buy a thing this guy says at all.

• 34:07Danny Jones?

  It's like the, read the comments of his interview with Rogan.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 34:10Danny Jones?

  So bad.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  I felt, I was cringing for him. I was like, when Rogan asked him about the, uh, the bow and arrow, he's like, you know, Rogan knows about his bows and arrows.

• 34:17Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah. I saw that clip.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  Zuckerberg's like, uh, he's like, you can see him malfunctioning.

• 34:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, it's old.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Sparks are flying.

• 34:23Danny Jones?

  It's definitely old.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  It's got a sharp point at the top. But like, it's funny because people buy into it because when it comes to politics, you know, lately, everyone's so like, they want to be like so bad by the people they think they hate. Like, like when it comes like a rich, like wealthy, famous person, the right who seems to be so against it lately. You know, the second Elon or Zuckerberg does a rebrand, they're like, we love him. They share great memes and he like surfs and wears American flags. But like Zuckerberg is a straight up liar.

• 34:57Danny Jones?

  That's not surfing. He's doing that stupid fucking electronic foil board like a dork.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Stupid. That video is ridiculous. But, but.

• 35:04Danny Jones?

  Only something a billionaire would think was cool.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Right. So, yeah, I don't know. These people have no ethics. And seeing allegedly now that Zuckerberg is working so closely with like the Chinese government, which is in direct opposition to our government. It's like, okay, we can't trust these people and he's probably, uh, he's probably lied under oath. And I think that kind of extends to all these guys who are running the government currently.

• 35:27Danny Jones?

  It feels weird right now. Like it, the whole like, the whole way, the whole podcast landscape is, is like so in lockstep with the current like presidential administration.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  It's gross.

• 35:44Danny Jones?

  And how they all were like there at the inauguration together was so weird to me.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think, I think it's the end of that world. I think we're going to see this whole space is going to go through like a real tectonic shift.

• 35:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Not make it. People are gonna, you know, get better. But this administration totally, I mean, and rightfully so. It was smart to use the podcast world, right? Because the other side wasn't like Kamala, they paid, you know, the what was it? The call her daddy people, they, they paid for a fake studio. You know, and that, that show, that show didn't nearly get numbers.

• 36:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  No one cared. No one cares about that host. I'm sure she's got some fans out there. But like, it wasn't a cultural shift. You know, Trump doing Rogan was a huge moment.

• 36:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Everyone watched that episode. It was pretty hilarious. You know, I enjoy seeing him do interviews. But like, now that they've gotten to office, watching the.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  I would call the the dissident voices from the so-called right, whatever that is, the podcast space. Now they're someone locked up with the establishment without questioning anything. I'm like, this is how we get back into more problems, guys. And then they really don't like when you criticize them because they're like, well, we got it. Our guys are in office, they're doing the best they can. It's only been three months. I'm like, yeah, but they they're only allowing people around them right now who ask either illegitimate criticisms, like from like the corporate press. And their questions don't mean anything. Or people who are asking just nice, easy questions, you know? And I think there's like real legitimate concerns that this administration should be asked, like these questions about about all the people around it and what they're doing. I understand it's still early, but like, you know, it's

• 37:16Speaker 03

  if you're looking at it from the political side of things, they only have a little bit of time before the midterms. So like, people are going to want to see real change in like a year. Right. Before they're about to go vote again for the people, you know, for the midterms, for senators and all that stuff. Yeah. Congressman, so, you know, right now, he's kind of got everyone almost at his disposal. But it's going to change quickly. And then like the, I've been calling it the day like independent media died was the binder gate thing. When everyone got the Epstein binders. Did you see that? God. That was the most embarrassing thing. And like, I know a lot of those people who were there, and I'm not mad at them. Per se, like, I'm mad at the administration. Unless they knew about it, they all say they don't. So like, I don't know that.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  But the administration, in my opinion, set up a photo op and walked them out for the stunt, right? Yeah. Cause they're like, you know, someone will be like, oh, we didn't know. Okay, fair. And then, you know, they just gave us a binder. I'm like, they printed out a prop to put in your hand. Right. And then walked you out into a lawn where the photographers were. They'll say, well, they were there for so and so who was visiting from a, you know, another, whoever was here from another country. And they're like, but there's other ways you can have led, left the White House. You know, why did they give you a prop to hold and walk you out in front of the photographers? And it's not about just anything. This is about one of the most darkest, most sinister things that crimes that hurt children. Yeah. And now you're condensed it down to you dancing with a binder.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  I was like, this is a bad look for independent media, you know, like, I think independent media has all the same problems as corporate press. Cause it's just like a human nature thing. There's, there's greed, there's narcissism, you know, all that ego, all that stuff. So it's gonna be interesting to see like how these people navigate that world now, now that they've got their guy in office. Cause it's, you know, I'm seeing a lot of people just post selfies, you know, at the special events. And then, you know, I'll get the stuff like, oh, Shane's jealous, he's not there. I'm like, I would love to go and ask the question, but I know the questions I'm asking, I won't be invited back. So I love that, I'll go, I'll ask the questions, but they're not letting me back after that. Cause I'm, I got bigger problems at play here, cause it's about our future. Like the future that our kids are inheriting. You know, they're building like a dystopia around us.

• 39:20Danny Jones?

  So yeah, and there's all these like huge people on, on social media and on podcasts, like Chamath saying like, like not jokingly talking about like, Trump needs a third term.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  I know.

• 39:33Danny Jones?

  You know, and it's crazy. It's, it's, and then, and then Steve Bannon like.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  I know, and I love, I love Bannon too, but like, I don't want that. And I, and I'm not gonna vote for Vance. Like, I don't like Vance. I think he's really smart. I like, I, he says things I really like, but he's got connections to Peter Thiel, which is someone like another one of these tech guys, you know, venture capitalists, that he was born out of Peter Thiel, you know, that's his mentor. He, he created him, you know, Vance, Vance saw Thiel talk at a, I think it was Yale, loved the speech. And then Thiel, you know, helped him start his own venture capitalist firm and funding stuff and they're, they're in rumble and all that stuff and all these types of things. And I think Thiel is one of the most like nefarious actors.

• 40:12Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  And he's like deeply embedded in the right, uh, cause he's one of Trump's biggest donors.

• 40:16Danny Jones?

  Have you seen what he's been doing with Silicon Valley?

• 40:19Speaker 03

  He's a vampire.

• 40:20Danny Jones?

  And he's been, he's behind this huge new effort to basically, um, map Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley. And he's like, probably, he's a part of this church and they're doing these huge conferences.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  I haven't seen that. I know he claims to be Christian. He's, he's a strange guy.

• 40:36Danny Jones?

  He's a gay Christian billionaire.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Married, gay, Christian. He is a, he is a transhumanist vampire though. We'll get to that in a minute. They all are, but like, he says things I think are, he's an extremely smart dude. Like, and he's been around for a minute, he's. He unfortunately, he helped build a surveillance state post nine eleven with Palantir and all these things. And, you know, I'm really against the surveillance state. I really think that is super dystopian. And he's made, I'm sure billions of dollars off war, you know, on all the wars.

• 41:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Plus a surveillance state here and around the world. And like, he's part of Facebook. You know, he helped create Facebook.

• 41:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  He funded Facebook. So, and they're all in Palantir was funded by IncuTech, which is a CIA.

• 41:13Danny Jones?

  IncuTel, yeah, yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Oh, IncuTel, right. That's like, that's a venture capitalist from, from the CIA. So like, all that stuff is very alarming to me. And like, they don't like being questioned about that. But I didn't know about the, the Christian mapping thing.

• 41:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  But I've, I've seen him talk about religion.

• 41:27Danny Jones?

  You can find the article, Steve. Just type in, just type, type in Christianity in Silicon Valley. And there's like, there'll be a ton of fucking articles. It's like this new, this new phenomenon that's happening. And like, you know, in, in the past, Christian, or Silicon Valley has been like, the opposite of

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:43Danny Jones?

  A religious place.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Eleven years ago, Elon is saying he's with AI summoning the demon. But recently, he says we're, it's a digital god. So they've rebranded even that. Yeah, I haven't seen this, but like, he is

• 41:54Danny Jones?

  Here's just one article.

• 41:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's, there's, there's so, there's been a lot of people writing about this lately.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Interesting. Freaking paywalls.

• 42:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  It's ridiculous.

• 42:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is the one that I read right here.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 42:08Danny Jones?

  Christianity is borderline, was borderline illegal in Silicon Valley. And now it's the new religion. And what I think, I think it has something to do with national security. I, I don't know, I don't know exactly. I don't think it's ideology. I think it's some sort of 4D chess these guys are playing. These, uh, these leaders of these military industrial complex companies.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:24Danny Jones?

  That are, that are really pushing Christianity to all the people that work inside Silicon Valley.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:30Danny Jones?

  And I, I think it has, I mean, it's speculation, obviously, right? Like, no, we don't know. But like, who knows how these people think? But what if they think that, look at all these other countries that, you know, they In the Middle East, for just one example, like you have all these people that ascribe to a certain religious worldview, right? You have religious extremists that are willing to go as far as dropping a bomb to their chest and detonate it in a fucking public place. And here, it's the opposite of that. You have this crazy diverse array. There's not like one solid foundational worldview people have in America. So it might be some sort of thing that they're trying to do to bolster America or make America stronger.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't, I honestly have a hard time believing anything he says, although there's, he does say these things I agree with. Like I think he also understands that the universities are like ideological death camps. I taught him. You know, I saw it's crazy what they're doing to kids' minds. He says a lot of things I think are neat. But like, sometimes when I see this stuff, I'm like, I think it's, and this is just my theory, it's their way of trying to get the people on their side that they need, right? Because for so long, a lot of these guys were part of the so-called left. It's left and right really doesn't mean anything anymore because Trump's not even really right. Right-leaning, although he appears to be to the people on the left, but like, they were darlings of the left for so long. Everyone loved Elon. I mean, you go back 10 years and look at Elon and Colbert, they're, oh, we love you so much. We love, they're clapping for Tesla.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  So same people are probably keying those Teslas today, right? Or selling their own Teslas. But I think a lot of this stuff is like, so like something I hear a lot when I criticize someone like Elon or Teal, because Rumble and then X. And they'll say like, oh, well, he's looking to do for freedom of speech. I think that's amazing. I agree. X is a lot better. It's still a lot of problems. And Rumble's pretty cool, but like, my opinion is they're doing this to kind of endear themselves to the dissident voices. So now you're not like what we're saying earlier with like independent media, a lot of these voices I'm seeing be reluctant to question these people now at all. Like you don't hear much about a lot of like negative stuff, like legitimate, like concerns about these people from the right or the so-called dissident voices. And I think that's, that's like the most important conversation.

• 44:40Danny Jones?

  There's a few people, but very few.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  You hear like Whitney Webb.

• 44:44Danny Jones?

  Kyle Klinsky's been going hard.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Has he? Someone I never listened to, but.

• 44:47Danny Jones?

  Really? And he's a guy who came out of Rogan. I mean, he was literally created by Rogan, right?

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Do you think he has like legitimate concerns about Elon or is he just be like?

• 44:55Danny Jones?

  I mean, he's very critical of Rogan and Trump and Elon and all these people and calling out like all of the, I think some of it is pretty, is pretty reasonable. But I think a lot of it is like, is like just super toxic and biased and just, you know, he's a little bit out of control.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Cause I'll see the left. Hate a lot of these people for the wrong reasons.

• 45:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  You know, like it's like a lot of like knee jerk reactions to things that I think kind of watered down the real problems and then the right just refuses to see the problems at all.

• 45:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Cause they're so happy that they won, you know, with the help of these people for sure. Cause Teal's one of Trump's biggest donors since 2015 ish.

• 45:28Danny Jones?

  And Alex Karp donated millions of dollars to Kamala. How funny is that?

• 45:32Speaker 03

  I know. So these people have no moral center.

• 45:34Danny Jones?

  No.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Their only, their only path and their only goal in life is power over us and money. Right. They, they make money off these crises, right? Like COVID, um, a lot of people made money off that. A lot of the social media companies made money off that, but also destroyed people's lives.

• 45:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Right. Small businesses went out. Uh, in New York, we lost thousands of small businesses, but these major companies were, were fine.

• 45:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Um, so like you see the things that they're creating. It's like the military industrial complex, you know, what Palantir does, what Andrew will, I can't even say.

• 46:05Danny Jones?

  Andrew will.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Like, that's a weird company. Um, uh, Clearview AI is one of the scary ones to me with the facial recognition app.

• 46:11Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Cause it's like, it's, it's inescapable.

• 46:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  Right. That's why the only thing, I don't know what to do other than like try to have ethics from the bottom up because these companies are not going to be like, well, you know, we're not going to use it for bad reasons, but the idea of what's bad is different every day in, in, in politics, you know, something that was acceptable last year is now not acceptable.

• 46:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  They're always moving the goalposts. Um, and that, these people are very open about how this world is going to just crush humanity.

• 46:39Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  You know, but they're, but they say, you know, someone like Marc Andreessen would say it's a techno, you read his techno optimist.

• 46:44Danny Jones?

  I didn't read it.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Manifesto. It's like the opposite of the Unabomber's manifesto.

• 46:48Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  You know, it's, it's a very joyous outlook, which is like, look, I'm very against the violence with the Unabomber, but that manifesto says a lot of things that are really interesting in terms of like universities and, uh, politics. Like he saw a lot of problems back then.

• 46:59Danny Jones?

  Wasn't he MKUltra'd?

• 47:01Speaker 03

  They say.

• 47:01Danny Jones?

  He was in Harvard, Harvard study, right?

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's crazy. Right?

• 47:05Danny Jones?

  Find out, Google that.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  I think it was when he was a kid or something, right?

• 47:08Danny Jones?

  Ted Kaczynski Harvard experiments.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 47:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Um, what was I gonna say to you?

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Uh, I was saying techno optimist like manifesto and uh, just like the way like they're they're billing this world where we're gonna have machines and it's gonna be really, really great. Yeah. No problems.

• 47:26Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right, right. Um, I was gonna say Elon is is the thing, the thing about Elon is like, you know how, you know his famous story? About how in two thousand and I think it was maybe two thousand is when, I think it was maybe December of two thousand or two thousand and eight, maybe it was two thousand eight. December of two thousand eight, he told the story about how like he needed to make payroll or whatever. And like the, his accountants came to him and said, you gotta bankrupt either Tesla or SpaceX. We're not gonna be able to, we're gonna lose, we're gonna lose both.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:03Danny Jones?

  And he's like, he was like, I'd rather die than lose one of those companies. He's like, we'll make it happen.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  I mean, he got a lot of money from the military.

• 48:10Danny Jones?

  And then he ended up, and then um, there's this uh, story that this guy John Karyaku, this CIA agent tells. How in like, like two months later, he was at this big dinner and Elon was there. At this like government dinner with a bunch of fucking CIA and NSA people.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  Makes sense.

• 48:30Danny Jones?

  So if you're fucking, it just, it doesn't seem, it doesn't feel, it doesn't seem right, right? If you, if you're going through that, trying to fucking make your company survive, your billion dollar company survive. What are you doing at some Washington dinner with a bunch of CIA and NSA people?

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Making bank.

• 48:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  You're making bank. I mean, he's, he's, he is helping sustain the surveillance state right now with Starlink. You know, they've got all these contracts with using Starlink satellites to, you know, put up all the Lockheed Martin type satellites, maybe his own, who knows? There's a lot of things he just can't talk about.

• 49:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 03

  Because he's probably signed a ton of NDAs, uh, you know, that's why I always find it weird when he talks about aliens. It always seems so forced.

• 49:10Danny Jones?

  And the moon.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  And the moon, yeah.

• 49:11Danny Jones?

  We, we definitely went to the moon.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, okay dude.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  Look, something's up there. It might be like something that looks like the moon, but I don't know what we've been told it is. Uh, but like, I, everything that these people, him, Teal, like the whole PayPal like mafia type crowd. is very strange to me and now they're completely infiltrated the government like they've probably they've been a part of all the administrations to some degree but now it's like really like it's Trump and now they're like outwardly like we're we're building this dystopia I mean they think it's a utopia but like you know so they they're creating this false God they're creating like an omniscience uh an omniscient presence with the with the spy satellites with the surveillance state um so like those are the things that really worry me because like moving forward you know it's gonna be it's gonna be super dark like the thing I was

• 49:57Speaker 03

  telling you about Facebook and what they can do just to like young girls on on Facebook they're going to now start applying that into like a you know like predictive policing your programmatic policing you know which uh just yesterday I saw I think it was in the UK they just opened up a whole new department for for just that so they're doing it over there

• 50:14Danny Jones?

  really

• 50:14Speaker 03

  yeah I forget what it's called it's a good name too scary name

• 50:17Danny Jones?

  like the Minority Report

• 50:18Speaker 03

  that's exactly that's exactly what it is

• 50:20Danny Jones?

  the Unabomber participated in a series of psychological experiments at Harvard from fifty-nine to sixty-two oh perfect

• 50:27Speaker 03

  good time

• 50:27Danny Jones?

  those that that was a that was Jolly West's peak these experiments led by Henry A Murray were designed to measure how individuals react under extreme stress uh and involved mock interrogations that were described as vehement sweeping and personally abusive yeah yeah that was part of MKUltra for sure

• 50:45Speaker 03

  dude they probably created a lot of the tragedies that we live through in in society in history you know like it's it's it's insane I can't take it but like you know what these people are doing now with the social media it's just the the evolution of this um

• 51:02Danny Jones?

  so yeah I I don't know what's going on right now but I feel like I feel like everything that's happening right now with like the combination of like the news cycle and like various debates that you see happen on podcasts and like these people emerging these like these people like this um this martyr maid guy

• 51:27Speaker 03

  oh yeah

• 51:28Danny Jones?

  emerging and all the controversy around him

• 51:30Speaker 03

  I haven't followed that much I saw a part of his interview with Rogan

• 51:33Danny Jones?

  yeah it it feels like

• 51:37Danny Jones?

  It is a bunch of small pieces of this larger plan or larger scheme to like decay or erode the meaning of truth.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:53Danny Jones?

  And like to, to, to make it to where we can't tell what is up or down anymore.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:00Danny Jones?

  And I think that started with the pandemic and which divided us, right? And we, everybody had their own facts that they truly believed and then would fucking die over.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it's crazy. I, I, yeah, it definitely started, I'm, I think it started since day one with humanity, but

• 52:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, probably.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Covid accelerated it to an insane degree.

• 52:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  You know, and I started calling it post-reality because the internet will allow you to, you know, what we were saying earlier with the confirmation bias stuff, you can do that with anything with the internet. If you want to really believe something, whatever it is, you go find that website, it'll tell you you're right, you know? And you, and then that will, you know, bolster you to really believe that. But with Covid, you know, that became life or death for some people, you know? We were dealing with riots and all that stuff. So, you know, and that on top, on top of that, the censorship that was happening, you were only allowed to say certain things, which is why I'm so skeptical now of trying to embrace these tech people. Cause like just a few years ago, they said we were like bad people and we should be censored. You know, not allowed online, they even got rid of the president on Twitter.

• 52:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  And now all of a sudden, just because they're waving an American flag and they share memes, we're cool. Like, I don't buy it at all.

• 53:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  So I think, I think the post-reality thing is really, really dangerous. Um, because, you know, I, I was really seeing it starting to go down a lot with, uh, the beginning of, uh, the Israel Gaza stuff. Because there's people sharing like, you remember that someone, I forget, it was Israel, probably nuked or sent a missile to some hospital in Gaza? Or maybe it was the other way around, but that story was completely fake, right? Or, or like the ghost of Kiev, uh, that was a fake story, but people really buy into these things, right? And so now you're seeing people totally buy into this narrative and now they've just splintered into a completely different reality. And if they don't fact check it or ever, you know, fact check, I hate that phrase too, but like

• 53:41Danny Jones?

  It's almost impossible to even do that.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  It's going to be worse now, especially with what they're building with the AI stuff now with deep fakes with, you know, you can make anything happen. You can, you can have a designer reality. So like with the post reality stuff during COVID, during the wars, you know, you're falling down different avenues and just, you know, consuming the things that make you feel good about the way you see the world. But now we're going to start seeing people just straight up make up realities altogether, you know, so all like the weird mental issues in, in society now, you can just go into metaverse and do all that stuff and never leave your house, you know? And that, that to me feels like where it's going. Like, I don't think the dystopia is going to look like, you know, the matrix so much. I don't think it's going to be super dystopian.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Like you walk outside like, wow, we're here in dystopia. I think it's already here. You know, I think like it's an inward thing and we're like, it's inside of us is dystopia that you can, you know, unshackle yourself from. But, um, the thing that scares me the most now with it, with the way it's going with the technology and with, uh, you know, Elon or Thiel, Andreessen, Altman, all these people is like this idea of the technocracy, right? And, uh, that is super alarming to me because that's kind of what they're doing now.

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• 56:30Speaker 03

  Where, you know, the technocracy being this idea that emerged in like the 1920s, 30s, kind of like in response to the depression, you know? It kind of emerged out of a crisis. How do we fix society? And it's like, well, the government's all wrong. So we're gonna install experts to run everything, experts and engineers to run our society. But, you know, having lived through COVID, who's an expert? How do you define expert? How do you define any of this stuff? Cause Fauci was like basically a leader of a technocracy during COVID. They just outsourced everything to him and now he's basically making everyone shut down. So like, that was a thing in Canada, you know?

• 57:14Speaker 03

  I thought this is a funny thing with, you know, Elon's grandfather being,

• 57:19Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, what was that?

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Joshua Haldeman. So in, in Canada, he, he's, he was part of the Technocracy Inc. And they were like really looking to install this government. They banned it in Canada for some time. I think like maybe five years or so, but like you couldn't do Technocracy Inc., which I think is ridiculous. Like you should just be able to do whatever you want, you know? Like, I don't agree with communists, but you should, if you want to do it, I want to hear the bad ideas and we can talk about it. I don't want to like censor that.

• 57:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  So he was, Haldeman was into technocracy. He was a chiropractor. He was a very well-known chiropractor. Chiropractor.

• 57:51Danny Jones?

  And this is his granddad?

• 57:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, his grandfather, a well-known chiropractor, I believe his Elon's great grandma was as well. So like a big chiropractor.

• 58:01Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I don't know where I saw this, but there's like an obituary in a big chiropractor magazine about Haldeman. But, um, you know, he was obsessed with this idea of installing engineers and experts, whatever that is, to run the government. And then I that idea kind of, uh, you've got like a soft version of the technocracy with FDR's New Deal. Cause it was like widespread micromanagement of experts to try to fix society. So we saw all these organizations, you know, sprout out of the ground for to help fix the depression. So, you know, some people might say it was like a technocracy light, you know, it wasn't really technocracy. But because it was in the in the framework of a democracy, allegedly, um, he did maintain power for quite some time.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  And then, you know, as as it goes with with American history, the the economy didn't really boom again until World War Two. Cause uh, the people make lots of money on war, uh, like these people we're talking about now. So like, his grandfather had a technocracy thing. I always thought this was interesting that, uh, you know, depending on where you look and who you read, he either was kicked out of Canada. Or he ran from Canada for for the technocracy stuff, you know, he was a failed politician. He was trying to do a lot of things in politics in Canada.

• 59:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  And then set up base in, um, in Africa. And, uh, he became obsessed with looking for the lost city of Kalahari. You know about that?

• 59:20Danny Jones?

  No.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  This is like this, this, uh, story of the lost city of Kalahari in the South African desert. And it supposedly had some kind of treasures below it, you know, as as lost cities do.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  There's like an old story from so I think it was from New York, I forget this guy's name, but he came up with the story in the first place. And, you know, a few people heard about it and then Haldeman became like a a pilot, like a successful pilot. And decided to take the whole family to, uh, to South Africa. So that's where like May Musk was, I don't think she, I don't know if she was born in Africa or not, but like Elon's mom. And they would just tour a lot within the plane, you know, May Musk is a twin, which I always think is also, I don't know why it's odd to me. I think the phrase telegenic actually came. From the twins because

• 1:00:02Danny Jones?

  Telegen.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz they were on some TV show at some point on this like as they're touring around their plane. And they're on TV and someone said, you're telegenic. You're like, you know, it's like photogenic for television. I believe that's connected to me. You'll have to fact check that later. I P my reality buffet, but um. Yeah. So he went and looked for this lost city. So I just think that's so interesting cuz like I love the idea of risk and adventure and innovation. It's amazing, you know? And uh, you know, I don't agree with everything his grandfather was up to, but like it's fascinating to me that he. I think he died in his plane. I think he died. I don't know if he died searching for Kalahari or if he died from for some other reason. The story is he actually like was the first person to go from Africa to Australia in a plane, his little plane. Like he built the plane, you know, it's really

• 1:00:44Danny Jones?

  Damn.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  It's a crazy, interesting story.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  But like, that's why Elon wound up in Africa because the leaving Canada for whatever reason, I think it's tied to technocracy thing, but there was other things that happened after that with him. He he has some like war, I believe with like Coca-Cola, Haldeman. He hated Coca-Cola cuz it had cocaine in it. He was like, this is hurting people. I'm like, alright, that's fair, you know? But like, he had some theories about Coca-Cola, maybe like hurting people and whatnot. Like it was like a like a big, like a big pharma, but for Coca-Cola. So I say all that to say it's just interesting to see now. Elon to me and his pals are, I think, working towards a technocracy. And that Mars is Elon's lost city of Kalahari. It's like it doesn't, you know, and like I get it, you know, I'm highly inspired by my grandfather.

• 1:01:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  I totally understand that. And like getting, you have that in your DNA.

• 1:01:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  It's in your family. Um, is that them?

• 1:01:37Danny Jones?

  Is this them?

• 1:01:38Speaker 03

  I actually never looked up pictures of them.

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  Elon Musk, fascinating history with Moosejaw.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  I don't know what that is. That's a good name for a band.

• 1:01:45Danny Jones?

  What's Moosejaw? Yeah, Moosejaw is a good name for a band.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Like a tobacco.

• 1:01:48Danny Jones?

  Click the article, Steve.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  I don't know. Let's see.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  Moosejaw.

• 1:01:53Danny Jones?

  Elon Musk's grandmother is from Moosejaw. You know how I know this? He said so himself on Twitter.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  But like, that's, that's, that is the concern to me is, is what they're building now.

• 1:02:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  And like, this whole idea of efficiency sounds great, but it has its dangers to humanity.

• 1:02:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  You know, I think about like, is that his grandfather actually with the twins? So that's, that's the twins.

• 1:02:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is Alderman. Jump in on that, punch in on that a little bit more?

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  They're straight out of The Shining. Awesome. Oh, is Jolly West in the background?

• 1:02:34Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, that's funny dude.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 1:02:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't understand. Elon is a mystery, man. How does he have time to do all this tweeting? That's the most obvious, that's the most obvious question.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  I think he's lying, just like he's lying about being a gamer. I don't think that's, I don't think it's real.

• 1:02:49Danny Jones?

  I heard that was a lie.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  I don't think it's real. I think he's a lot, like a habitual liar. Like, I-

• 1:02:55Danny Jones?

  So you think, so, so what's he lying about? He's not the one doing the tweeting?

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  I think every, maybe his Neuralink is doing this. I think he's got a Neuralink. But, I mean, look, he's a smart dude. I just don't think he's doing all these things. I think he's outsourced a lot of it to AI. You know, I don't think he's tweeting all that much. That, to me, is insane. It doesn't make sense. You're, you're doing Doge, you're that much of a video gamer. You're doing your companies, SpaceX, Neuralink, you know, I just don't buy, I don't buy it.

• 1:03:22Danny Jones?

  Artificially inseminating all these women?

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. That's a whole other thing.

• 1:03:26Danny Jones?

  I heard he's not fucking half of them. I heard, I heard, is that true?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  That's what I hear. Yeah, because he's a eugenicist.

• 1:03:31Danny Jones?

  Right. He's, I heard it was like, I heard somebody call him a rationalist. Where it's like, he, his idea is, he wants to reproduce with like, women who have higher cognitive abilities.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:03:44Danny Jones?

  And he wants to, this was basically like eugenics.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  It's eugenics. Yeah. Rationalist is just a nice way of saying eugenicist.

• 1:03:50Danny Jones?

  And he like, doesn't get past first base with half these women.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  I don't doubt it.

• 1:03:53Danny Jones?

  And he's just artificially inseminating his sperm.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  I don't doubt it, dude. So like, it's weird because going back, I was thinking about Elon, you know, like, when did I start even thinking about this guy? I remember I was actually in Florida. I was walking our son in his stroller. So this must have been like seven years ago. And I was reading about Neuralink that brought me to like his Mars stuff. And I was like, I was thinking about what kind of fights am I going to have in the future with my kids? This is gonna be different, right? The fights I have with my parents, like the music I listen to, you know, stuff like that, or, you know, just not coming home. Like, what am I gonna fight about with my kid? I'm like, it's gonna be him wanting to be immortal through Neuralinks. You know, because the transgene is by then will like Ray Kurzweil, just upload your consciousness, you know, like Timmy down the street is doing it. Or going to Mars, you know?

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  And I was like, these are really interesting things that I like in the, I don't think it's gonna be that far in the future. Where people are gonna have some kind of designer immortality, I'm putting in quotes. Where you can have like your digital avatar and people will consider it as much as a real you as, you know, as you hear you and me. So I was like, really not into that. And like, I think it was probably 2020, I wrote my first thing about his Neuralink trial. Where he's talking about like the pigs and, you know, he's lost a lot of pigs. He's got the, I think he calls it Monkey Disneyland. Have you looked about that? I think he calls it that. It's either he calls it that or like Neuralink calls it that, but it's where some of their like, you know, their brains explode.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  It's wild stuff. So like, that kind of started me thinking about how I, oh yeah, I do not trust what this guy's doing. Because it's tough, because I can understand the positives, the short-term positives. It's beautiful that you want to fix someone who's paraplegic, right? If they want to walk again, like, that's amazing. You want to give someone sight again, who's blind, if you want to give someone hearing again who's deaf. How do you argue against that? It's like, that's amazing. But at certain point, I think it's gonna be like, you're kind of left out of society if you don't have those, just like these smartphones today. Like, if you don't have, if you're not participating in the modern world, you're not having a phone like this, right?

• 1:05:52Danny Jones?

  What about like, yeah, imagine being the only one who can't telepathically communicate.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Right, right. That's go, I

• 1:05:58Danny Jones?

  It's like being the only one without a smartphone.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Sounds great. But that's the, that's the network they're building. So.

• 1:06:05Danny Jones?

  What? Did you say something?

• 1:06:08Danny Jones?

  I thought you said something. I'm hearing shit.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  It was his Neuralink.

• 1:06:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Uh, but like, so like, I was seeing about that stuff. And then I just started watching him closely because it was hard. Like I enjoyed him buying Twitter.

• 1:06:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  I was like, right.

• 1:06:20Danny Jones?

  It was optimistic. Yeah.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  That's great. Twitter was horrible. Um, had a lot of issues. I appreciated his innovation. Uh, I was, I was fascinated by a lot of it. And then when I started really thinking he was a liar was when I realized that it sounds like he lied about his first born child dying in his arms. You know, and his wife at the time, she said that that's not true. And he only said that unless he said it somewhere else. Um, first time I saw him say it was.

• 1:06:44Danny Jones?

  I didn't even know about this.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  He said it when he was trying to convince people why he didn't want Alex Jones back on Twitter. Because he, at the time, believed that Alex Jones hurt kids. Not really like him hurting kids, but like what he had done. What he had said was like, uh, you know, rejection of the reality of, you know, of the Sandy Hook that Elon believed in, right? He believed that like these kids were hurt and Alex didn't believe it. So he said, he, you know, he thinks that way because his child died in his arms, but his wife said at the time, I think that's his first wife said that didn't happen at all. So, you know, I'm like, if you're willing to lie about that, look, I don't know. I'm just saying that this changed my perspective on listening to anything he says. Um, and like, if you don't, if you're willing to, if this is true, if you're willing to lie about your child dying in your arms.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Then I, I will be skeptical of everything you say.

• 1:07:32Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  Just like how I'm skeptical of Zuckerberg and all these other people who are clearly lying as well. Um, so like, I think this whole rebrand into being like MAGA and dark MAGA. It's just, it's so stupid, but like it's, it's, it's them getting closer to the power that allows them to create the technocracy. That I think they want, you know, and it's, it's not, I don't think it's too conspiratorial to think that that's what they want. Um, because they see themselves as like gods and they see themselves as they're better than everyone. They, Zuckerberg was happy to censor all of us, um, during COVID.

• 1:08:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  Um, uh, Elon has had a lot of changes of heart and that's, but that's, that, that's possible. You can have a change of heart, you know? I just don't buy it with these people, you know? I think this idea of efficiency is great, you know, Doge, I think is great. I, I love the idea of making the government much smaller because it's a huge problem. But uh, what they're going to install after that is probably going to be AI because the future technocracy is probably not going to be quote unquote experts. Like it probably won't be Elon and them will be like pulling the levers, but they're probably going to install their AI. Cause that will be their opinion of a uh, an objective expert, right? Although it's not objective.

• 1:08:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Cause it's made by subjective people. Uh, so you know, that's the thing I'm worried about. And I, you know, with Elon buying Twitter, although I thought it was great, it's clear to me that he's monopolized the collective consciousness. And so he's taking everything off Twitter to feed into his, into Grok, to feed into Optimus, to make his, his spaceship, you know, that she says he's going to fly to Mars using AI. Um, so I think, I think that's what a lot of these people are doing. Like they're data harvesting our thoughts. They're monopolizing our brains. That's like one of the, that is the new war. It's on like our privacy and our thoughts. And like Meta has been working on things that can actually read your brain, like can translate your, your brain wavelengths into

• 1:09:25Speaker 03

  images and words. So this is, that's the future is them, you is like, it's inescapable. They're going to want inside of your brain. So they know a bunch of things, how to sell you to advertisers, how to make money, you know, on you like that, but also how to prevent crime. Cause they're going to be like, well, this person's having bad thoughts. So we need to watch them more closely. Like what they're doing in the UK, just yesterday, I saw the article. Um, like they're doing allegedly with the IDF right now, using lavender, that AI model, which is like the AI is basically allowed to decide who may or may not be a terrorist. And allegedly like there's articles about it. So like the IDF has said it doesn't do this. So take another grain of salt. Uh, I have a feeling it's probably happening because it sounds like a lot of the stuff that Clearview AI would do or um, or Palantir,

• 1:10:10Speaker 03

  where it's harvesting a lot of data. Is this lavender? Dude, this is terrifying because it has a huge error rate, allegedly.

• 1:10:17Danny Jones?

  AI lavender AI programmer used by allegedly used by the Israeli military to identify potential Hamas militants in Gaza.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Wow. This can't be good.

• 1:10:27Danny Jones?

  Identified over 37,000 people in Gaza as potential targets for military strikes. Program allegedly use military, uh, use machine learning to assist scores to individuals based on factors such as association with suspected militants and frequent changes in phone numbers. Wow dude, that's crazy.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Dude, this is not good.

• 1:10:49Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  So, you know, it doesn't matter how you feel about that war. Like, no one should have this ability.

• 1:10:54Danny Jones?

  Dude, did you, um, I just had, um, my buddy Eric Zuliger on here the other day. He was explaining to me how, um, in the Russia-Ukraine war,

• 1:11:05Danny Jones?

  I think it was Russia was using an AI to like convince Ukrainian soldier, like it was some sort of an LLM was like able to analyze, um, some of the Ukrainian soldiers like by like analyzing their text messages and their phone calls with their loved ones. And like, and like, you, like, the LLM was mimicking their family members, trying to convince them to basically like lay down their weapons and surrender.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  That is next level. That's like, that's like the evolution of Waco. You know, like, we're gonna pump the voice of God into this building to scare these people.

• 1:11:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  But now we can just pretend to be your, uh, loved ones. And, uh, yeah, I was also listening, I think it was Eric Prince, the, I think he's the CEO of Blackwater.

• 1:11:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  Talking about like facial recognition drones that they're doing in Gaza, or not in Gaza, in Ukraine.

• 1:11:52Danny Jones?

  In Ukraine, yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  And like they're taking old drones, but fitting them with like AI technology to find your face. You know, it's like, that's insane to me. Insane. I think he said that at a, a speech recently.

• 1:12:02Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the new Palantir commercial?

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:12:04Danny Jones?

  How they're using these swarm drones?

• 1:12:06Speaker 03

  Oh geez.

• 1:12:07Danny Jones?

  So their new thing is like, so Palantir, which this doesn't seem like it fits up Palantir's sort of like niche of what they do, but they apparently had this new swarm, pull up the, to the commercial, the, this new swarm technology, where they have like thousands of these little DJI Mavic drones. And, uh, they're using them to like swarm battleships. And basically take out battleships.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:12:30Danny Jones?

  Give us some, some audio.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  Oh, is this what played during the game, the Army Navy game?

• 1:12:36Danny Jones?

  Uh, I don't know, I didn't watch it.

• 1:12:39Speaker 04

  Looks like a Transformers movie.

• 1:12:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. Is this a Dan Crenshaw commercial?

• 1:12:47Danny Jones?

  Dude.

• 1:12:55Danny Jones?

  So it's like this, it's Eric called it spreadsheet warfare.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:00Danny Jones?

  Where basically, I love how it pulled up a fucking ancient Marilyn Manson interview.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  Good algorithm.

• 1:13:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, exactly. Where it's like you, you use super cost effective ways, like, like, really unbalanced ways to like, take out other militaries, like where you have this billion dollar warship or like battleship. And you're using maybe like a hundred thousand dollars in drones to swarm.

• 1:13:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think Palantir probably came, I forget who came with the phrase, but it was, I think, from Palantir, from their world, the total information awareness.

• 1:13:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, no, that was way before Palantir.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Dude, that is insane stuff.

• 1:13:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Cause that is like, we just want to know everything at all times.

• 1:13:40Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:13:40Speaker 03

  And I think they do already, right?

• 1:13:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  I guess Palantir probably just uses that.

• 1:13:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  You know, cause it's like, data is gold, right? Like that's, we're gonna take everything from everyone and put it into a database. But it's safe, it's fine, we're not gonna do anything bad. The government has it though, but they have your best, you know, they really care about you. They want the best for you, like, okay, cool.

• 1:13:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the total, Amy Jacobson wrote about that total information awareness stuff in her DARPA book, The Pentagon's Brain.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  I gotta read that.

• 1:14:05Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, it's so fucking good. It's like the full history of DARPA and like Jason scientists and the Rand Corporation and how it all evolved.

• 1:14:14Danny Jones?

  And like total information awareness was proposed, I think before nine 11.

• 1:14:20Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:21Danny Jones?

  Some of those DARPA guys, they wanted to implement this shit way before nine 11, like, like, in the early 90s, I think it was.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  So they must love this world now.

• 1:14:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  We're living in that, their wet dream.

• 1:14:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  This is what they wanted, they wanted access to every part of your life.

• 1:14:34Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. And she even writes in that book that they, DARPA was working on Neuralink for soldiers to create, brain chips for soldiers to create super soldiers in like the very early 90s.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  Great, yeah.

• 1:14:45Danny Jones?

  And now, now look, I mean, we only learned about Neuralink how many years ago?

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Dude, that is, it's gonna be an interesting future, like I tried, um, I tried interviewing the guy with Neuralink. But I think Elon got a hold of it. Like Elon and I have talked through people. Like back when I was trying to, we had a middle man trying to get me to interview him. Mutual friends. Right. And he definitely has, I think, seen things that I've said, so it's definitely not gonna happen. Hypercritical. And then to bring back to Kanye real quick. Yeah, yeah. When I was with Kanye that second day, he was so pissed at Elon that me and him wrote this thing about Elon being a clone. And posted it to Kanye's Twitter. Kanye was pissed at Elon? Cause he got banned from Twitter. So he went on Instagram and he was like, we wrote this whole thing about how Elon's a clone. I forget. There was articles written about it. It was ridiculous.

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  So like, that was OG Elon beef. And then, and then, you know, I've been very critical on lots of other shows about him. So, and I know I've tried to do an interview with him through mutual friends. And like, it's just, there's nothing happening there. But I was really stoked to do this interview with the Neuralink guy. I had no proof of what happened, but I got ghosted right before I was supposed to go to Arizona to interview this guy. Really? While he was doing a lot of other interviews, like a ton. I was about to drive out, or no, fly out to where he's at. Wow. So look, I don't know, maybe I'm just a jaded person. But like, I've, I've had issues publicly with Elon for a while. And I just, I just really, there's a lot of questions when it comes to Neuralink. And what that means for the future of humanity.

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  It's like, he used to go around saying, you know, like I said earlier, we're summoning the demon with AI. And he would go to the Congress and be like, maybe we should have regulation. And I'm not really a regulation person. Cause I don't think that's gonna fix anything, right? Like the war on drugs didn't fix anything. Right. But the conversation's important, right? And the people, you know, our incompetent leaders in DC should at least be talking about and amplifying that message. So then everyone can start talking about it more. But it seems like he abandoned that idea, right? And he doesn't really go around saying. Well, he does go around saying, like on Rogan recently, he was like, well, your people will be out of jobs. Uh, and we'll probably in 20 years be outnumbered by cyborgs. But now it's more of like an optimistic spin on it. I don't, I don't see it.

• 1:16:57Danny Jones?

  Did you see that China was hiring these people, these federal workers that were getting laid off by Doge?

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  Are they going?

• 1:17:05Danny Jones?

  Like, so, you know, I guess the idea is that some of them will have a bad taste in their mouth after they get fired.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:17:11Danny Jones?

  And, uh, and China is trying to like recruit them and give it like putting them on payroll and all this stuff. But I guess it got outed and I guess it was, it made a headline. So I guess it must've been a failed operation.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  I mean, they've got a lot of people working here right now. They have secret police stations.

• 1:17:24Danny Jones?

  I saw, I heard about that just the other day.

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Is that crazy? In New York and in, uh, was it San Francisco?

• 1:17:28Danny Jones?

  Crazy to like, and it was to like combat dissidents, Chinese dissidents.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. Dude, we're overrun. Like that's, that's my problem. Everyone's got like a one boogeyman in their head these days. And you name it, uh, where who's, who's controlling the world and stuff. It's so much more sinister and bigger than that, I think. It's a network of a bunch of evil people. And like with ancient money and new money controlling the narrative.

• 1:17:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  So like, you know, when I talk about post-reality, I talk about like, these people are engineering the narrative for you to believe in this or that, right? Yeah. So when I hear, you know, this Facebook whistleblower talking about the chief editor. Oh, well, that's what you call your narrative engineer. You are literally doing, you are literally creating reality and suppressing reality. So, you know, this stuff is just gonna get crazy. Like that, that Palantir commercial is terrifying.

• 1:18:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 03

  Cause you saw Trump in office first time and you saw Biden in office post-January 6th. And now half the country is an enemy to Biden, right? So whoever is in charge, they could turn that kind of stuff against our own citizens. And, uh, that's horrifying, right? So it's like, you might like Trump and his friends right now, and they're gonna put this thing in place, whether it's a technocracy or... Who knows what with this uh this techno like dystopia, but then the next person's in charge and they're gonna use it against, you know, I don't, I don't want that used even against people I don't like in this country, right? Or I really disagree with that world. And then someone like Larry Ellison, who's uh, I guess the CTO of Oracle, um, you've seen this guy talk?

• 1:18:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  He's strange dude. Um, and he's talking about, uh, you know, he does like the police cameras, body cams, which I think is okay, cause I want accountability, but it's also now you're turning people into the surveillance state and now everyone is being picked up by the cameras that will be fed into the ClearView AI and to Palantir, you know, and it's just this evil spider web of information sucking.

• 1:19:18Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  But he was like, uh, you know, talking about police officers wearing the cameras and how, uh, when they want to take a bathroom break, you know, we will not watch, but it will be stored away.

• 1:19:30Danny Jones?

  No, we said that.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And, and we will only release it under court order. They will be on their best behavior. And then right from there, he transitions into citizens. They will also be on their best behavior. It's like, these people see us as like just cogs in this machine that they are building around us. Um, so like the whole, the whole technocracy thing, you know, I see them infiltrating the, the White House, but I also see that all, all these guys are building their own little technocracies right now. Um, and like their own private cities. Uh, have you heard Forever California?

• 1:20:00Danny Jones?

  No. Forever California?

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  I think it's either Forever California or California Forever. Um, but that's like, last I checked, Reid Hoffman from LinkedIn, Marc Andreessen, Substack, you know, smart guys, um, but they're building this thing, which is their private city in

• 1:20:17Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  California.

• 1:20:19Danny Jones?

  Have you heard of Slow Jamistan?

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:20:21Danny Jones?

  It's a country in California.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:20:25Danny Jones?

  They classify their, their, their, uh, their taxes that they have to pay as, um, what did he say? They classify it as, um, basically like national, um, what do they call it? Where they're like paying another country? They, they, they

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Like tariffs?

• 1:20:44Danny Jones?

  No, they, they consider their, their taxes to be Like donations to the US.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Uh, so that's hilarious. I have not heard of these people, but the Forever California thing is a weird one because they're trying to buy all this farmland to create their little private city. And a lot of farmers have refused to sell. Last I checked, this was fairly recently, and so now they're suing those farmers for refusing to sell. That's insane to me, right? Like, and so what's that's that would be one of the questions I would bring up if I were allowed around these people.

• 1:21:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  You know, Marc Andreessen is part of Doge. Uh, allegedly Elon and Reid Hoffman don't get along, but Andreessen and Elon do. And now Andreessen and Hoffman, all these other people are trying to build this weird private city with their own little rules. And it's gonna be like, um, like a biohacker type of, you know, universe, you know, you look at one of these private cities. Forget which one it is, but they're like installing Tesla keys in their hands. It's like legit transhumanist, uh, stuff.

• 1:21:49Speaker 03

  So I really, I'd be like, what are you doing to help the farmers who refuse to sell the farmland to these insane people who want to build a private city? Which is a small version of their technocracy. You know, they probably would call it a utopia. But one person's utopia is another person's dystopia. Uh, but like Teal's doing that. He's got the seafaring ones where it's the floating cities.

• 1:22:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  All these guys are trying to build, I think Milton Friedman's like grandson is a part of that one too. Uh, the, so it's like, I really, the future, that looks like the future to me. Like that's what's gonna take over, that kind of thing. And you're either gonna be a part of it or not. And like, I don't know, is it gonna be like the Amish? You know, like the anti Amish where like you just, they, oh yeah, those people are crazy and they live in their little private city. Or to just keep expanding. Cause if you see them at the top in the White House right now, and that just keeps trickling down. And you see them trying to do private cities across the country and that keeps going up. Where, where does that leave like normal people who don't want to be in this? Well, like some of these people, I was, I forget which city, which private city they were in, but they're like removing all the, uh, bacteria from their mouth. They're installing like weird devices in their body.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  It's a big deal like they're there. It's, you know, this is like the, the Burning Man 2.0. But forever.

• 1:23:03Danny Jones?

  That's fucking crazy, dude.

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I'm against that.

• 1:23:06Danny Jones?

  I gotta piss so bad. I can taste it. Quick break. Are you on every podcast that you do with, uh, Tim? Or like, how does that schedule work?

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, I do, I do, I typically do his, his night show.

• 1:23:19Danny Jones?

  By the way, we're back from our PP break.

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  Sweet. Yeah. Oh, and it was also a homicide prediction project, I think is the name of that crazy thing in the UK. So like trying to predict.

• 1:23:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, that thing you were mentioning earlier.

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. Is that going to become a murderer? We should, uh, you know, harvest all his data.

• 1:23:35Danny Jones?

  Homicide.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Like, what if you're a true crime writer? I guess the AI would be like, well, he's just writing about it. That'd be a good cover.

• 1:23:40Danny Jones?

  I think about that all the time because we, we Google some of the most fucked up shit for the show. I'm like, God, I hope the FBI is not watching.

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Oh, they definitely are.

• 1:23:48Danny Jones?

  They have to be watching us.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  They definitely are. Uh, but yeah, I do, I do, uh, I do usually Monday nights I do IRL with him and then Inverted World is through him. So my studio is like right next to his studio in West Virginia. It's crazy.

• 1:23:59Danny Jones?

  Cause it's all like one big building?

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  He's got one big building, like his skating and stuff, but my, my like coffin sized studio is inside of like a haunted house. I'm in like a really old, crazy looking house from like the 1800s.

• 1:24:13Danny Jones?

  Dude, the first time I saw him skateboarding, I thought it was fake. Cause I've never, I've never seen him like I had never seen him outside of like, you know, this.

• 1:24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, Tim doesn't have legs. Those are bionic legs.

• 1:24:24Danny Jones?

  Right. That's what I thought. Of course. Why would, why would he have legs? And then when I saw him fucking absolutely ripping on a skateboard, I'm like, this is, there's no fucking way this is real.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's crazy. It's a crazy to see it in real life, you know? Cause like he's, he's down there skating before IRL. And, uh, he's got the giant skate park now, um, in that warehouse. And so him and his, his skating, skater friends are just hitting those things. He's got this one ridiculous like vertical.

• 1:24:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  I don't know what you call it. Like, I don't know much about skating, but it's insane. It's like a death trap. Like I, I don't know why he even did that. It's ridiculous. But people try to hit it cause you go to the top. Yeah. I think, I think someone like really hurt themselves. They're, they're fine now.

• 1:24:58Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  But it's insane. But yeah, they're, they're down there like all the time. He's got a half pipe outside.

• 1:25:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:03Speaker 03

  And I can just look out my window in my haunted house.

• 1:25:05Danny Jones?

  That Russian money. Really hit.

• 1:25:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tenet was great, yeah. Dude, that story's crazy. That story's crazy.

• 1:25:11Danny Jones?

  That story's wild.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  That was for the Culture War show, right? And that's, so that was Tim's, I guess it was on his, he's on so many channels, I can't keep up. But like, one of his channels on YouTube, we had the Culture War. And so that was like pre-Tenet, before they came in.

• 1:25:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, what was the story with Tenet? What was the whole story? Like, how did this all start?

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  Depends who you ask, you know? The Culture War started, I don't know, two or three years ago. And like, I don't even know if these episodes are still on anymore. But the first one I did was probably episode like four. And it was me, Luke Rukowski, Tim and Alex Jones. I think we were in Austin or something. It was a blast. It was more like casual than IRL is like, you know, you're in a, you're sitting around a table and we're just like, the news, da, da, da, da, da.

• 1:25:47Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  Culture War, we just sit around and talk, you know, about the certain themes or whatever. At a certain point, he licensed Culture War to Tenet, right? And that was like Lauren Chen and them, you know, I don't know these people like that.

• 1:26:01Danny Jones?

  Licensed it to Tenet.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  So like, it was still through his channel, I think, like, he's, he'd be better talking about this, but like-

• 1:26:06Danny Jones?

  Where did Tenet come from?

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't, but all of a sudden, they came out of nowhere.

• 1:26:10Danny Jones?

  It's like, yo, we want to license your shit for a million dollars.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  I, I, so like, they say it was Russians.

• 1:26:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:16Speaker 03

  Giving money to, like Lauren and them, I guess, right? I personally think it was the CIA. I, I-

• 1:26:22Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Legit. If you like, look back at all the things the CIA has hijacked over the years to discredit, right? Uh, cause a lot of these people were like, uh, in my opinion, even though I'm not fans of them, like, not really a Dave Rubin listener. But like, a lot of these people were more dissident voices with larger platforms. I don't know. It was weird to me that, uh, they'd be given this money to be, like, it's a lot of money. And some of those shows weren't pulling in lots of views.

• 1:26:46Danny Jones?

  The story was that like, he had to create a new YouTube channel. And he was posting videos on this new channel and they were getting like, you know, five to eight thousand views.

• 1:26:55Speaker 03

  It was the same channel.

• 1:26:56Danny Jones?

  It was-

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  I, I think they created a channel and maybe it streamed to that, but it wasn't his. And then the clips were, remained on his original channel. Um, I think, but like, yeah, but like, they were saying that we were told to say certain things. Like, no one ever told me what to say. Like, I helped book that show sometimes. I'm not the booker, but I did help book that show. Like, I brought, like, MIA came on that show, right? Like, it was just a very organic thing, like, so no one ever said anything about anyone saying, you know, this or that, you know, some things, but there was-

• 1:27:26Danny Jones?

  But was the story, I think the story I read was that, like, he was getting paid like a hundred grand to do a video that was getting eight thousand views.

• 1:27:33Speaker 03

  It's insane. I wish I was getting that. That'd be amazing. It was crazy. Cause those, that Tenet channel was not getting crazy views. I think he was getting the most of all of them.

• 1:27:42Danny Jones?

  But like, it seems ineffective if you're the Russians.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  Well, I think, I think it was literally just to get the headlines. Cause all of a sudden now, everyone who hates Tim and, or Dave Rubin, or whoever else is on that network, everyone says it's Russia. And all the comments always, it's Russia, Russia, Russia. And when I say hijack certain things, like, to me, it reminded me of how, like, rap was hijacked by the CIA, or like, or like how the modern art movement was hijacked by the CIA, right? When they were trying to go against Russia during the Cold War. So they kept funding, like, a lot of these, like, Jackson Pollock, perhaps, or like Rothko, you know, and be like-

• 1:28:12Danny Jones?

  I don't know about any of this.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Like, allegedly, the CIA was pumping money to fund these, I don't think the artists knew, I could be wrong, I don't think the artists knew that they were getting money from the CIA, but they, from what I've heard, were pumping money into it to make this seem like it was more important. Because in Russia, you couldn't do, you couldn't express yourself like that. Uh, you know, or like, like what I was saying earlier with the weird scenes from Laurel Canyon.

• 1:28:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  They hijacked the counterculture, you know, allegedly. Uh, you know, I think, I don't know if Tom says this in chaos or if it's in weird scenes, but the anti-war movement really started out as like, more like button up dudes with like, short haircuts, you know? And then Laurel Canyon would, the argument with that book would be like, we put in crazy hippies on LSD-

• 1:28:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Speaker 03

  -to discredit that movement. So when I saw the Tenet thing happen, in my opinion, it's like, you got all the headlines you wanted.

• 1:28:57Danny Jones?

  You wanted to discredit them. Did they fund anyone else besides Tim?

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Oh, there's a whole bunch of people. Tenet was like a, a, a network.

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• 1:30:03Speaker 03

  You know, I don't remember if it was like Dave Rubin.

• 1:30:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, Dave Rubin was a part of it too. Yes, I remember that now.

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  But like, I don't even know how long he was a part of it, but like, there was like five or six people who were part of like bigger names in like the real like political like podcast world.

• 1:30:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it doesn't make sense that if like, if these people are already like having dissident voices in the US, why Russia would have the incentive to inject money into that? It doesn't seem like it, and it seems extremely like not cost-effective.

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Anything is possible. Like Russia has done weird things. Where they like, I think you even heard on one of your recent shows, that story where Russia funded both sides of a protest, right? And like, so they, they got one side to be like, we're gonna go protest on this side of the street and another side. So like, it wasn't organic at all. Russia was behind the whole thing. So like, they do do weird things. And like, they do try to undermine our society. You know, the whole Yuri Bezmenov thing. Like, they do try to collapse society through like the, the voices and the universities and all that stuff. So it's possible. I personally think it was CIA or our own government trying to do it. I don't know. But it was, it was very odd. It was very odd. Because all of a sudden... Uh, my boss is in the news, uh, under like, I don't know what, what that was. And now I'm,

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  um, my mind is saying, well, if they're saying we're attached to Russia now, then that allows the government to open a FISA warrants on anyone in that circle.

• 1:31:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Because like, it wasn't the FISA, the FISA warrants were like, it gives you the ability, gives the government the ability to spy on people without a warrant, especially if they're working with a foreign government.

• 1:31:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  So now it's like, literally, that gives anyone in that orbit, me, anyone, allows, allows them to do that now. And I, I assume they were doing it beforehand, honestly. If you know about like the Lockheed Martin satellites that are up there and heat mapping the globe in real time. But it definitely gives that incentive, that incentive to do that. Um, but like, nothing's happened. Like, if it was, if there was something more pressing, and they were actually Russian agents.

• 1:31:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  Or, or being funneled Russian information, I would have figured there'd be more to come out. Like, that's why the headlines to me were, that was their goal, was to discredit amongst the people. You know, but it was weird, because it was a lot of money to these people. And it came out of nowhere, you know? And I know, like, Tim and them, they're all, like, friends. They knew each other from way back, you know?

• 1:32:19Danny Jones?

  Who? Tim and who?

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  Like Lauren and all them, like Ruben, like that, that's like a long, like, those guys have known each other for a long time.

• 1:32:25Danny Jones?

  He used to work at Vice, didn't he, way back in the day?

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  Vice, yeah, I forget the other place. Um, I used to write for Vice as well. Um, but he was like, big time Vice. I don't think he started like, the political part of Vice, but he was one of the first, like, people to really do like that on the ground, reporting, uh, for Vice and stuff. Uh, but yeah, dude, I don't know. It was really bizarre. It was very bizarre, the whole thing. Uh, and I, I think it, I really do think that, uh, there's probably something, we'll find out about it in terms of the government being, being behind it. Our government. I, I don't know. Could be wrong, though.

• 1:32:55Danny Jones?

  It's so funny how online, it's like, everybody suspects everybody of being a fed and working for the feds, being funded by the feds. It's like,

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 1:33:03Danny Jones?

  I see how stupid it is, just in the comments, people think that I'm a fed.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  And we're all feds, yeah.

• 1:33:06Danny Jones?

  And then like, I catch myself being like, that guy's gotta be fucking F.

• 1:33:10Speaker 03

  All the time, dude.

• 1:33:10Danny Jones?

  He's gotta be Mossad.

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  But you have to kind of think like that. That's why I started calling.

• 1:33:15Danny Jones?

  But you gotta catch yourself.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  I know. You gotta, you definitely gotta be skeptical of your skepticism. But like, I started calling the Fed, Fed Internet Theory. Cause like everyone on the internet, there's dead internet theory, then there's Fed Internet Theory, where it's not all bots, a lot of them are feds. You see a lot of these accounts pop up on Twitter.

• 1:33:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:30Speaker 03

  That person just doesn't seem organic.

• 1:33:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. All the time. All the time.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  And I catch myself, I talk to some of these people sometimes, I meet them in real life. And I'm like, hmm, you know, interesting, interesting. But I know people think about, about me as well. Like, I came out of nowhere. I was on a farm in New York as a professor. And now I'm on like Tim's show, right? And if you say something someone doesn't like, then they're immediately, they'll, they'll call you whatever. Mossad, Russian, you know, it depends which side they're coming from. And for the people who didn't like Tim, the Russian thing gave them way more ammunition to be like, well, he's, he's been told what to say, you know?

• 1:34:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:05Speaker 03

  And that does have an effect on some people. Like, I think there are some people out there and be like, wow, really? And they don't look into it too much. And they'll be like, wow, was he not believing anything? You know, and, you know, cause I've seen that happen throughout, like I'm saying, with the, with certain things about rapper Laurel Canyon. Some of these things are just not organic.

• 1:34:21Danny Jones?

  No, they don't fit. None, a lot of the stuff right now doesn't feel organic.

• 1:34:24Speaker 03

  And right now, it's really easy to do that because of the AI stuff, you know, and how people are duped so easily, you know? Like, I, I think half of Biden's public appearances were probably defaked.

• 1:34:34Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:34:35Speaker 03

  Dude, he did, he was a corpse, first of all. Like, they reanimated a corpse to be president. And then some of those things just didn't feel right. Some of those videos of him are weird.

• 1:34:43Danny Jones?

  They are weird.

• 1:34:44Speaker 03

  Why, why was he getting vaccinated in a fake Oval Office?

• 1:34:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:48Speaker 03

  What was that about? Like, his whole presidency just felt fake to me.

• 1:34:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  I didn't get it at all. But like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. The whole thing was weird. Uh, it seems to have like just gone away. Like, I think from what I've heard, like, they're not even pursuing anything with the tennis stuff. So.

• 1:35:04Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:35:04Speaker 03

  I haven't heard anything yet. Uh, and everyone else is just seems to be fine.

• 1:35:08Danny Jones?

  How long ago was that? Was that like a year ago now?

• 1:35:10Speaker 03

  Probably, maybe a year or so ago. Some of those people have just disappeared, though. Like, I haven't seen much from them. Maybe they're doing work, like the, the people who were hired to be part of Tennant, like the, the talking heads, if you will.

• 1:35:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:35:21Speaker 03

  But like it just culture war show went right back to Tim and I think doing just way better now.

• 1:35:28Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  Was on tenant because no one I don't know what it was like why tenant wasn't blowing up they had all these big names on it. And it just wasn't, you know, I was like, wow, we would have, you know, big names on some shows and just it was like into obscurity.

• 1:35:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  Like not doing as well as like performing like a like I R L or something like that. So.

• 1:35:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I've noticed these weird, these weird comments, communities on like, on like X and on YouTube. Where like, there's been this crazy thing where like, everybody wants to blame Israel for everything. And especially like the JFK stuff comes out and I haven't read all those new declassified.

• 1:36:01Speaker 03

  Haven't read eighty thousand documents.

• 1:36:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  What the heck is wrong with you?

• 1:36:05Danny Jones?

  I haven't read one of them, but it's funny like how, how now it's like. The consensus of every comment section on every video is like, if you're not blaming Israel for killing JFK, you're a moron.

• 1:36:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:36:17Danny Jones?

  And you're fed.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's it's annoying.

• 1:36:19Danny Jones?

  There's yeah.

• 1:36:20Speaker 03

  It goes back to what I was saying about you having one boogeyman in your mind.

• 1:36:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Like Israel's not good.

• 1:36:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  Neither is our government.

• 1:36:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:26Speaker 03

  Neither is any government, right? I just don't like any government and Israel is really bad. I I judge Israel. Based off how I judge lots of governments. How were they during COVID? They were tyrannical.

• 1:36:35Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:36:35Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't like that, so I am very against that. But like you look up the lavender thing, I'm also way against that. And I do know that they're part of, they've been a part of all a bad, a lot of bad things.

• 1:36:45Danny Jones?

  A lot of bad things.

• 1:36:46Speaker 03

  We've been part of so many bad things.

• 1:36:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  So it's really hard to pick apart and just be like, that's the boogeyman. It really oversimplifies the evil in the world, I think. But I'm also not downplaying because they're they're crazy people like the government is crazy. Um, thinking that you can, if they are using lavender and they have that high of an error rate. And you're killing people based on the predictive policing of AI like that is so crazy to me. But yeah, it's become easy for people to just write off everything, you know, and that is a problem. Because it's like, it's going to stop people from having real conversations about real like, we're not going to solve real problems. And with evil in the world, if we're just focusing on one thing, because it's unfortunate, it's not just one thing, it's many things.

• 1:37:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  Uh, so, yeah, and so with the JFK files, it was funny seeing everyone being like, oh, it's gonna be Israel. We know.

• 1:37:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Speaker 03

  We know. And like.

• 1:37:34Danny Jones?

  I saw one comment that said, if, if, if I see one more person talk about JFK without mentioning Israel, they're like, I'm gonna lose it.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  Well, it's become a fetish for people.

• 1:37:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:44Speaker 03

  Like, it's like, it's like, they want to be whipped by Israel. But you're unfortunately being whipped by everyone. With the thing with me and the JFK files, I thought was interesting. I haven't read all of them, but I read a lot. Is like the, the new Operation Mongoose files that came out of just like very nonchalant CIA memos about like, all right, you know, we think we should just use a bioweapon to destroy all the crops. You're like, okay, that sounds good. And that's what they were doing. They were just setting, I don't know what chemical it was, but they would be like, all right, we'll destroy it with a bioweapon, but it will look natural. And they'll think it was natural. I'm like, well, how long they been doing that?

• 1:38:19Danny Jones?

  Where was this?

• 1:38:20Speaker 03

  In Cuba.

• 1:38:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, to Cuba. It's totally insane. So like, but we knew about mongoose. The, the files were to me a joke. Cause like, we knew about most of that stuff. A lot of stuff's out. It's just you getting like new angles on certain things that we already knew about.

• 1:38:33Danny Jones?

  Mongoose was just like the sabotage stuff they were doing over there?

• 1:38:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So like, we'll just destroy the crops and all these things. You know, I think all that's super interesting to me, but like, I was looking for anything military industrial complex wise. It's like, that might be if I have a boogeyman.

• 1:38:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  That's mine.

• 1:38:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:52Speaker 03

  It's like, uh.

• 1:38:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, it's like, you know, who had the motive to kill JFK? Well, okay, let's just ignore the fact that the Joint Chiefs of Staff absolutely wanted him fucking gone.

• 1:39:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:03Danny Jones?

  Let's just ignore that and think, uh, Israel wanted nuclear material, so they must have done it.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  Right. I, I just think of Northwoods, right?

• 1:39:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  Right. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and like Lemon and Sir and, uh, that stuff is insane to me. Look, look, even RFK Junior says it. He doesn't believe that, but they get mad at him for saying.

• 1:39:18Danny Jones?

  He doesn't believe what?

• 1:39:18Speaker 03

  He said, I think he told Tim this actually when he was on Tim's show. He doesn't believe Northwoods and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had anything to do with the assassination. Like him, like JFK turning down that. I was shocked. That was at the like, I think that was a libertarian convention or whatever. But, um, I was shocked. I'm like, really?

• 1:39:34Danny Jones?

  The fact that he wanted to pull everyone out of Vietnam and they wanted to fucking ramp up Vietnam.

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  He wanted to shadow the CIA, you know, and scatter it into the wind.

• 1:39:41Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  Uh, so like, you know, I, I look at the.

• 1:39:44Danny Jones?

  Everybody has their own flavor of JFK, dude. The UFO people think it was UFOs.

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  It's all of them. And it goes back to post-reality. You go online, you'll find your answer. And maybe it's all of them together. The aliens were working in tandem with Lemon and Sir and Fidel Castro and Israel. And maybe, you know, maybe that's more like the truth, but like the military industrial complex stuff to me is like, we are now in the totally in the grips of that. I love listening to the Eisenhower speech, the last speech he gave before JFK came into the office where he warns the American people about their military industrial complex. And like the one thing that Biden ever said that I agreed with on his last day in office was warning the American people about the tech industrial complex. I was like, why is he doing that now? That was his last thing he said. And I'm like, he's probably just upset because now all these

• 1:40:29Speaker 03

  people have turned on him. You know, like all these people that were in support of the Biden administration are now pro-Trump and MAGA suddenly. But I think that is a true threat. Like with everything we were saying earlier, the tech industrial complex, but like now they're married. The military industrial complex is the tech industrial complex. Like you look at Palantir, that is a clear example of the marriage of these like this unholy matrimony of these people.

• 1:40:51Danny Jones?

  Well, it's interesting that like there was that story how how Google was using like surveillance satellites or something for for war stuff, similar to what Palantir is doing.

• 1:41:00Speaker 03

  I didn't see that.

• 1:41:01Danny Jones?

  This was a long time ago.

• 1:41:02Speaker 03

  Not surprised.

• 1:41:03Danny Jones?

  And Google basically like shut down that program saying that we're not willing to work with, you know, the the war hawks in the government to like to to fucking overtake other countries. So then Palantir basically took the ball where they left off.

• 1:41:17Speaker 03

  Oh, funny.

• 1:41:18Danny Jones?

  And Alex Karp thought like, well, if I'm going to benefit, you know, and make billions of dollars off of, you know, developing technology in this amazing country, the number one country on earth, why am I not going to try to push forward our, you know, our military capabilities and, you know, establish our footprint in the rest of the world? He's like, I'm going to take full advantage of it.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  All those guys, Teal especially, are very against competition. Here pro monopoly. That's what they say. Teal is pro monopoly. He'll buy up everything and make himself bigger. So that makes sense with what you just said. And like Altman, Sam Altman from OpenAI is very inspired by Teal. And by the quotes about being a monopoly. So like, we are in like this new industrial revolution. You know, but it's going to be the AI stuff and it's going to be like the new machine age. And it's kind of reflective of the old industrial evolution, the second one, really. You know, after the Luddites and then at post civil war, post civil war is like, we get monopolies eventually.

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  And we see Rockefeller literally doing what Palantir is doing now, but organically, like data harvesting through all his competitors to know how to undercut their prices, you know? So that's just like an early version of what's going on. And it's all tied. It's so funny to me because it's so similar to how we are now because we also had a new form of journalism back then with like, what was her name? Ida Tarbell or something? But like the muckrakers, right? And so now she's looking into these monopolies that that would help inform Teddy Roosevelt on what he wanted to do with to break up these monopolies. You know, and I don't know how much I agree with all that, like breaking things up because I don't really want the government to have any power over me. But, um, you know, that's where we're there now.

• 1:42:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:59Speaker 03

  We're there now. Like this Facebook stuff, I think is, maybe it's not going to blow up because people don't seem to care. You know, they see a Tic Tac now UFO video and no one, no one cares. New York Times in like, how many years ago wrote about, we have an off-world vehicle not made up this earth in the space, like no one cared.

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  You know, the Mexican court, the alien corpses that Mexico brought out were a joke. So it's like, when I see, when I see Zuckerberg being basically proven to be a liar under oath, I'm like, do people care tomorrow? Or are we just going to forget? Because we're so complacent with everything.

• 1:43:32Danny Jones?

  It's crazy how fast that story of the Trump assassination just disappeared. And how like fast, like the narrative changed to like, we jumped to the Olympics thing the next day.

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  The Butler one?

• 1:43:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:43Speaker 03

  That one is insane.

• 1:43:45Danny Jones?

  Like no one talks about it. No one in the media talks about it anymore.

• 1:43:47Speaker 03

  It's

• 1:43:48Danny Jones?

  There was all kinds of weird stuff with that guy, right?

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  Way weird stuff. Yeah. Like, and they burned his body before anyone got to him.

• 1:43:54Danny Jones?

  They did?

• 1:43:54Speaker 03

  Like the whoever handled him. They'll say they didn't, but there was a senator who went, I think it was a senator or congressman who went out and did his own investigation, wrote this really interesting report. He even went and looked to see if there was anyone else on the water tower. Remember that theory?

• 1:44:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:05Speaker 03

  And he says before he was able to inspect the body, they cremated him.

• 1:44:09Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  They, the other people said that didn't happen. But like, I, I don't know. I think the whole thing is super weird. There's that story of the guy showing up on the roof and taking pictures and like, everyone being like, he was like, text me all your pictures.

• 1:44:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The photo of the guy. Yeah, yeah. I remember seeing those videos.

• 1:44:23Speaker 03

  Which reminded me of like, the Umbrella Man to a degree at the JFK, you know, and the Grassy Knoll. Like, just these weird characters now emerge from that, like, failed assassination attempt. I, I, I personally think like, it was a failure of, we're in like, a pandemic of incompetence. Cause everyone's just failing at their jobs.

• 1:44:41Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  And then through that failure of incompetence, the deep state, whatever you wanna call it, was able to sneak in a bad actor and try to take out Trump.

• 1:44:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:50Speaker 03

  Cause it just makes no sense.

• 1:44:50Danny Jones?

  My first reaction to it was like, there's no way it was like, any sort of military intelligence operation because they wouldn't have missed. If it was the CIA, they absolutely wouldn't have fucking missed.

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:45:02Danny Jones?

  Like, it, it seems to me like the most reasonable explanation is there was maybe some sort of like, rogue group, a very small rogue group within the military or a military or a government that, you know, met with somebody and said, we gotta make this happen. And not many people knew about it. And it was just like, very discombobulated, which is why it failed.

• 1:45:27Speaker 03

  And then there's the, the anti-Trump people on the right, like, who, who think he's a bad actor. Who will be like, it was, it was done to, uh, to make him more sympathetic and to like, get him elected.

• 1:45:38Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  That's a whole theory out there, you know? And people who think he's the Antichrist and all that stuff. I, I personally don't think that. Like, I was reluctant to vote for him this time because of what I'm saying to you today about the, all these people around him. Like, I really have a hard time supporting that.

• 1:45:51Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  I did vote and I, I, I actually, I don't know if I regret it, but I, I don't feel good about it. Cause I don't, I don't like these people at all, uh, and, and anywhere near him. When I, when I think of Trump, I'm like, I think he's just, he reminds me of my grandma when I explain to her what hashtags are. Oh, oh my goodness, this is so amazing. I don't, I don't really get it, but it's a, it's a future. So like, when he's seeing the rockets launch from SpaceX, it's, it's amazing.

• 1:46:15Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  I don't know, I like to think that he doesn't understand that these people are dystopian vampires building a horrible environment around him and using him. Well, maybe he does, you know, I, I, I just don't. My gut says he doesn't understand.

• 1:46:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:46:29Speaker 03

  But he's just like very impressed with the innovation and that Trump's biggest flaw, one of his biggest flaws is his need to be liked by even the people who hate him. Like he hates the corporate press, but he loves the corporate press. He wants them to like him so badly. He wants to be like welcomed back into the fold that he was once a part of. You know, as much as he claims not to be, I, I think, and the right with him, they want to be accepted by a lot of these people. That's why they all freak out when someone, some celebrity all of a sudden puts on a red hat.

• 1:47:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:00Speaker 03

  I'm like, let's not do that, you know, just because they're, they're agreeing with you now, doesn't mean it's for good intentions. But, you know, I still like to extend grace to them.

• 1:47:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:08Speaker 03

  And maybe I'm wrong.

• 1:47:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  But probably not.

• 1:47:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What do you think, what do you think happens with this whole Elon Trump thing and this whole Doge thing? How do you think this all plays out?

• 1:47:19Speaker 03

  I don't know. So like thinking back to history, I think of, um, I think his name was Frederick Taylor, Taylorism. They called it or, um, scientific management. It was all about efficiency. It was during the second industrial evolution where he's like, we need to make factories way more efficient. All right, awesome. Efficiency is great, but it turned, you know, there's lots of negative consequences to it.

• 1:47:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:39Speaker 03

  Like workers were suffering. It was horrible. And that's why we would eventually get the muckrakers and stuff. Who saw how these environments were really bad and anti-human and that they started to view people as just replaceable parts. Right? And then allegedly someone like Lenin and Stalin and Mao, they were impressed by Taylorism. And that's how informed a lot of their Marxist views on how to run a very centralized state. That they claim is efficient. I'm not saying that's where we're going, but that feels like, uh, there's a lot of people with a lot of money trying to consolidate power into one place.

• 1:48:18Speaker 03

  And that will have total control over us, whether it's a technocracy, whether it's just like invisible technocracy that's happening right now. I I I'm I'm worried about it because when you have experts in charge, like I said in the beginning, how do you define an expert? Mao thought he was an expert and all his people were experts as they industrialized China. But the great leap forward was catastrophic. They had a whole, one of the worst famines in the world.

• 1:48:45Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Because of experts saying many things, but one of them was like, we should just kill the sparrows. Because the sparrows remind me of freedom in America. But then the sparrows were the ones that ate the bugs in the crops.

• 1:48:56Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:48:57Speaker 03

  And the bugs not being there. Uh, other than the swallow's not being, the sparrows not being there, the bugs were there. The bugs ate the crops, killed the crops. That's just one aspect of like the four pests campaign that came out of the engineers and the scientists and experts of Mao. So it's like, that's like the, the sick, bad version of Taylorism married to communism.

• 1:49:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  Uh, and it, it feels like we're heading towards that because when I talk about like dissidents now being reluctant to criticize this administration.

• 1:49:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  A lot of those dissidents believed in small government as I do. Like I want a really small government. I'm not an anarchist, man, not yet. After a bad, it's tax day. So I do feel like an anarchist.

• 1:49:39Danny Jones?

  It is tax day.

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  Uh, I do feel like one today, but um, you know, they're, they're going. So these dissidents who were so vocal about small government now are very pro Elon. And Elon is literally consolidating everything down. Just look at the X at X. That's his everything app. That's consolidating banking, your, your whole life down into an app.

• 1:50:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:02Speaker 03

  Which is antithetical to this idea.

• 1:50:05Danny Jones?

  Didn't he say he wanted a Model X off of that Chinese company?

• 1:50:07Speaker 03

  I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, he loves China. They're good to him.

• 1:50:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  Just as good as our military is to him.

• 1:50:11Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:11Speaker 03

  You know, he makes a lot of money off all these places. So with Doge, I think it's great, but like if they, it's, so like where I live in, in, uh, in West Virginia, we're like an hour and a half outside of DC. I talk to a lot of these people who are getting fired because of Doge.

• 1:50:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:27Speaker 03

  Cause they're like commuters, right? A lot of them are like these Christians, churchgoers, Trump voters. And like, we didn't expect it to be like this. And I have a hard, I have a hard time being sympathetic because I really hate the government. And I really hate these, this overly, you know, this ballooned government, this wasteland. You know, like I love Doge cutting all this stuff. Um, but it dawned on me talking to this one guy. When he's getting those emails about like, what are the five things you did this week? You know, I'm like, who's reading those emails? And it's like, they're not hiring new people to just read the emails, just going through Grok or and then I'll get like, oh, that's a leftist talking point. I think it's a fair talking point to make. Like, I don't, I don't like the AI overlords running everything.

• 1:51:09Speaker 03

  And so I'd see that as the future is like, they're going to slowly get rid of humans, implement AI as this digital god, as Elon calls it. And then they're probably going to fight over which AI has control. You know, Elon's pretty close, so he's there. But Teal works with Altman, with Andrew Will, has a, they work with OpenAI to make their ghost drones and all that stuff. So there'll be a war over who's in charge. So maybe that's a good thing for us. But yeah, I don't know. I remember we're monopolizing it all.

• 1:51:39Danny Jones?

  I remember when that story first came out about the workers having to email what they got done that week or whatever. And like I was arguing, my dad, I told my dad about it and he's like, no, you're fucking wrong. Fox News said that it was only remote workers that have to do it. And at the time, my dad was at the VA because he got, see, he got pneumonia and he, he goes to the VA whenever he has, you know, to go to the hospital.

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:00Danny Jones?

  And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm like, well, let's ask your nurses. I'm like, ask your nurses if they got the email. And he did, and they're like, yeah, we got the email. All the fucking nurses at the VA.

• 1:52:08Speaker 03

  It's crazy and it just fed right into AI.

• 1:52:12Speaker 03

  You know, it's like, I know people who have, a lot of people lost their jobs recently and now they're up against AI in another way. Cause all these places are now using AI to review resumes. And if like, if your thing for whatever reason doesn't check all the AI things and not, there's not a human looking at it, you're done. Like, how do you fight? So you're, you're losing your job to AI and now you're not able to get a job because of AI. And that, these people are very open about it. Altman, you know, Ellis and all these people are being like, man, that's the future, you know? That's why they want UBI. That's why they're, these have these private cities. You know, they, they think it'll be a beautiful future, like Elon says, where. You can have a robot babysitter. You can have your car drive you around while you play video games. But that's kind of what Yuval Harari said about the useful idiots that refuse

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  that society, that total digital society, that you'll just drug them and give them video games to be complacent. Which is why I'm like, oh, we're there. We're pretty close. I just, I want, I want people to like, just reject it. You don't have to like, be anti all this stuff because it's amazing. It's fun. But like, you have to, I mean, you have to have everything in moderation. You have to learn to like, you know, our kids are inheriting this, this really dark dystopian world. I think it's, you know, it's pretty nightmarish. But, you know, throughout history, you can always say that. It's always been nightmarish. But for now, but right now, it's like, what makes it different is that it's literally a war in your brain. They are literally looking to get in your brain. And when you, you put all these things together, Palantir, ClearView, the meta thing with the brainwaves, lavender,

• 1:53:42Speaker 03

  that's like Skynet. At a certain point, that is going to be Skynet. And like, I said that recently on some show, I forget, and like, I got pushed back from Tim and some other guests, they're like, it won't be like that. I'm like, Elon literally just compared it to Skynet on Rogan. Like, he literally just said, he just said, he watched Terminator, and he's like, oh, we're almost there. I'm like, he's the guy making this stuff. So like, I'm, I'm basing on my own research, but I'm also listening to these guys talk about it every day.

• 1:54:06Danny Jones?

  It's interesting. Yeah, because Rogan seems to be one of the guys that's super optimistic about it. I mean, he's been talking about the Neuralink, and he's like obsessed with this idea of, of, uh, nonverbal communication with, with like, you know, being able to see people or basically transmit thoughts back and forth and be able to understand people's intentions, like immediately.

• 1:54:26Speaker 03

  Not good.

• 1:54:27Danny Jones?

  He seems to be a really big, big fan of it, or really interested in this idea.

• 1:54:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. He asked Marc Andreessen, when he was on recently, like, uh, how long till we get the AI government? I, I, and I get it, you know, he's in that world, he's in Austin, a lot of these companies are there, he's, he's talking to these people, he's seeing a lot of the positive aspects. You know, like, um, like Tim Poole recently interviewed, I think David Sacks, one of the AI like czar. And, uh, you know, Tim was starting an interview with like, uh,

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  Talking about more like the consequences of AI and Sacks was just like, I'm tired of talking about negative consequences.

• 1:55:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:02Speaker 03

  I'm like, I'm sorry, there's a lot to talk about when it comes to, we're allowed to have concerns over these things, especially when you all go around saying we're going to be out of jobs.

• 1:55:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:11Speaker 03

  Like, there's, there's beauty coming out of it, like, uh, for forever. I've, I've refused to use any AI.

• 1:55:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:18Speaker 03

  I've never touched it until very recently. I've been asking Grok questions, just to see. Cause I feel like I've been criticizing, it's like when people criticize a movie they've never seen, I'll be like, I gotta, I gotta use it, you know, just see what it's like. And it's fascinating.

• 1:55:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:29Speaker 03

  Cause I'll, I'll, I'll go back and use Google for the same questions. And they, they suck.

• 1:55:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  Like Grok is way better.

• 1:55:36Danny Jones?

  Is it really?

• 1:55:37Speaker 03

  It's, it's from so far, I can ask it certain questions about history and it gives me a way more in-depth look. You know, obviously I can go read a book or go get a book on, on Google Books or buy a book and, you know, listen to something, there's, you know, there's that route. But just in terms of the AI answers on Google and the AI answers on Grok.

• 1:55:52Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:55:53Speaker 03

  So far Grok is better. I'm like, I understand how this is awesome.

• 1:55:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah. But what happens when you start asking Grok and Google different questions about history and they're both giving you completely different answers?

• 1:56:02Speaker 03

  Grok's like, it's.

• 1:56:02Danny Jones?

  Who was the villain in World War Two? Google says Hitler, Grok says it was, uh, Winston Churchill.

• 1:56:07Speaker 03

  Cause, cause now the AI is going to have its own post-reality.

• 1:56:10Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  And they're going to be competing.

• 1:56:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

  Who, who programmed, just like when, um.

• 1:56:13Danny Jones?

  Well, that's the way, that's the, that's how you get power is you fucking split the population up.

• 1:56:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. And that's where we're at. We're so fractured now.

• 1:56:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:20Speaker 03

  There's no, you can have anything you want, any reality you want. Uh, it's, it's, that's kind of going back to how I was saying about, I needed religion in my life because I was spinning out of control. And like, I want to, my kids have some sort of moral center.

• 1:56:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:32Speaker 03

  Cause I was like, look, I'm a very flawed person and I know nothing because I'm just a little human being, but I need to attach myself to something ancient, but also modern. Uh, which is a weird thing for me to think, you know, after years of not taking it seriously.

• 1:56:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:45Speaker 03

  But a lot of the things I see when I read the Bible. I see like that evil is just, it's infinite, like it's never, it's always here. It's the same thing. We're always up against the same sort of thing. It's always a war for you. It's just different ways of doing it. So like that, that's for me, where I'm coming from at it now, cause I needed like some sort of shield against the evil. Cause I think it's just straight up evil. I think a lot of this stuff is very anti-human. Even though they bill it as a beautiful thing. Yeah. They say it's positive. They say it's gonna be great for you. And that's like, you know, they say like when Elon's saying, you know, you can have, you play video games all day. It's gonna be great. You're gonna be smarter. That hasn't been the case. We have, we were more connected now than ever, but people more isolated. Suicides are up. Yeah.

• 1:57:30Speaker 03

  The made program in Canada was like 5% of deaths a year ago. So you can just sign up for suicide in Canada. Like we're not well. Right. Right. We're, the kids are not smart. They're not smarter. They're dumber. I was a professor for a while. Trust me, it's not good. The public school systems are failing the kids.

• 1:57:47Speaker 03

  So, you know, I would get kids and be like, they didn't know what even the degree, the temperature freezing was. Like they just didn't have basic skills. So like, when they say the AI is just gonna make everything better, I don't think so. I don't think so. Like allegedly the AI just passed the Turing test the other day. Yeah, I saw that. And I was thinking like, well, does that mean just humans are dumber and getting worse at recognizing AI versus humans? You know, they said it was like a 75% success rate or something. And I don't doubt it. You know, when I, when I'm reading these, the Grok things, I'm, I'm impressed. I'm like, this is, it's eerie. I try to test Grok a lot. I'm like, I'll put up really dry humor a lot. And I like to see what Grok says about it now. Like I kinda tricked it yesterday, but not really.

• 1:58:29Speaker 03

  Uh, I was like, I put up a quote that I said was from Katy Perry. And I put up the picture of the astronaut who was stuck in space for nine months. But the quote wasn't from Katy Perry. It was from William Shatner, when he was in the Blue Origin thing. And I just wanna see if Grok would know that this was like super dry, cause it's caught other really dry humor. And it, it didn't. It was like, this is a Katy Perry quote from her Blue Origin. I'm like, that's nice. Now that I say it, now it's gonna be like, oh, now we know. Right. The trick. But I was curious because um, I'll say one sentence, just like jokes on, on Twitter. It immediately knows it's a joke, even though it's very dry.

• 1:59:02Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  Like, I'm like, what? That's impressive to me. The fact that it's starting to register sarcasm.

• 1:59:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. So now that means, you know, I'm now I'm feeding it, you know, we all are. And it's going to get better at everything because it's just been eating everything we do. Because it's a vampire.

• 1:59:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah. The, the, the Neuralink telepathic communication thing is like super crazy to me because it's like, you know, some people like Rogan think it's a great thing because you're gonna, you're gonna be able to catch people in lies. Or be able to like, tell if people are trying to fucking sell you some horse shit or whatever. And it's gonna make, it's gonna make communication better and it's gonna get rid of nefarious or bad actors. But like, if you think about thoughts, right? At least my thoughts. My mind is like a hornet's nest of just crazy shit running around. And it's not necessarily things that I want people to know, right?

• 1:59:55Speaker 03

  Right. Like it's in there for a reason.

• 1:59:57Danny Jones?

  If I'm, right. If I'm like waiting in line or something and I see something, I might have some fucking crazy fucked up thought go through my head. That doesn't mean that's what I want to communicate to that person.

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  And how does that machine now tell the difference between

• 2:00:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:00:07Speaker 03

  A passing, just crazy thought.

• 2:00:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:09Speaker 03

  And you having that real thought.

• 2:00:10Danny Jones?

  Right. Because like, think about like, when you communicate, like when you, like, you would know better than anybody. Like, when you write something, like, you have to go through a lot of refining.

• 2:00:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. There's drafts and drafts.

• 2:00:21Danny Jones?

  There's drafts, right? You have to draft things to distill it down to the most optimal way to communicate this idea to somebody else.

• 2:00:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:30Danny Jones?

  But when you're removing all these layers of refining and drafting communication, you're just going straight from this fucking hornet's nest clusterfuck of chaos, chaos in your mind, straight to somebody else, it's gonna be just, it seems like just massive miscommunication.

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  It's not gonna be good. It's gonna overwhelm people, first of all, and probably make it so you only want to go outside. If you can have that, if you have that ability and you're like connected to this network. But then also it'll feed into this idea of the like, the homicide prediction unit.

• 2:00:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:59Speaker 03

  This is predictive policing now within your brain, you know? And how are they gonna parse through bad ideas? Who's looking through the bad ideas? You know, like, I already don't like, you know, Googling certain things if I'm writing a story and like, it's a crazy thing I have to look up. Now I'm like, oh, now they know I looked into that, you know? I just, it's, it makes me very uncomfortable. But that's like, that's, that is the final frontier is inside your brain. Yeah. Knowing what you're thinking, you know, it should be about body language, you know, in person, you know, and just sharing your thoughts without someone. Imagine what it would be like to think while in a conversation. You know, like right now, we could have different, like, there's other thoughts happening while we're talking. And there's a screen now that playing the other thoughts. That would be kind of interesting, actually, for the show, but alarming, you know, because, and that's what Meta is doing, where it's like,

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  we're gonna read the brainwaves and translate that into an image. So like, it's gonna be great for the companies that want to sell you stuff and great for the, great for the police who want to police you, great for the war companies that want to destroy you. But it's just another step in hurting like interpersonal relationships, like just how they should be. You know, like, I just think it should be as least amount of technology as possible. Yeah. I say that as we're surrounded by cameras and TV and the phone. Right. But like, this is still, you know, it's like, it's just radio, you know, to me. Yeah. I, I really reject that society and I really do worry about the kids who are gonna grow up and not have that foundation where they really like cherish personal relationships, you know?

• 2:02:27Speaker 03

  Like, the, the lady who drove me here today, uh, she's been learning English for two years. And she uses her driving, uh, to learn English. So she immediately, she was all like, this lady's really chatty. What's up with that? And then she told me eventually, like, I'm learning English right now. Oh, really? And it was a very choppy, so I'm like, now I'm like her data set for her large language model, you know? But like, I love that, you know, I love that, like, I get to learn about her history, you know, real quick, 20 minute drive. We're talking about all this stuff, we're talking about music, English, Spanish, all this stuff. And, uh, you know, these are the things I kind of like miss with a lot of the world today. You know, I was, I was very mad when EZ Pass happened in New York because they, uh, they got rid of all the toll booths. And I'm that psychopath who would have conversations with the toll booth people, who really people behind me.

• 2:03:09Speaker 03

  But like, one of my early stories for Inverted World started at a toll booth because the guy, my wife's name is Nancy, his wife's name was Nancy. Oh, wow. And, uh, I don't know how that even started, but. Every time I go to the toll booth, he gave me like an extra little bit of information from his life. And like his brother was like shot by the police because the Irish mafia paid them off to do it in Hell's Kitchen in New York City. Crazy story. And I was like, this isn't. So every time I'd go through the toll booth and he was there. He'd tell me more of the story. And eventually I'd go to his house and we had a long, really chat, right? Interviewed him and turned this into a story. I miss that. Now it's just drive right through. I know it's like a small thing, but I love that ability to just talk to people.

• 2:03:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:52Speaker 03

  People would honk at me and it wasn't the most polite sometimes. So I just need to know why you think they buried him underneath, you know, this concrete slab. You know, where they're building a racetrack. It was fascinating stories, you know, and I love getting those stories from people.

• 2:04:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:07Speaker 03

  So a lot of the stuff that's happening today is making us way more isolated.

• 2:04:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's really rare and it's something that I noticed too, like with a lot of the, the media and the reporting and the journalism that goes on nowadays, like, like far less of it is people actually going places and talking to people there and like getting firsthand experience of it. Most of the like, I feel like 90% of the reporting and the journalism that comes out nowadays is reporting on, you know, like third, fourth, fifth hand stuff.

• 2:04:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:04:37Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 2:04:37Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, it's disgusting. It's like the human centipede.

• 2:04:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:40Speaker 03

  Of information. And this is, this is debate that Twitter was having just in the past week because of the Douglas Murray.

• 2:04:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was, and I hate the way that he did that too, because he was trying to use that like to discredit Dave. Oh, you, oh, you haven't been there? What are you even talking about? Like?

• 2:04:54Speaker 03

  And it's like, I, I didn't agree with him in that point because

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:57Speaker 03

  It doesn't matter. Like it, it's on the ground reporting is great.

• 2:05:00Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:05:00Speaker 03

  But it shouldn't be the, like the ultimate thing to your opinions. And like I, I mentioned the Walter Duranty story where he was going to, you know, the Soviet Union and he was given like the nice prepackaged tour. He didn't see the famines. And eventually I guess he did know, but he didn't report on them. I don't want a Pulitzer. So that's on the ground reporting. That's fake. And we know you can name any war going on and they go and they get like just a nice tour from that government who wants you to be a propagandist. So when I said that, people were like, oh, so you don't think on the ground reporting is important? I'm like, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that this guy is discrediting Dave's opinion because he hasn't been to this place, but it doesn't always matter.

• 2:05:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:05:40Speaker 03

  However, it is important to go and I want all the people to go so I can get all the perspectives. I've done on the ground reporting for a bunch of different things. Like I was able to see like the border wall at Yuma. And it was insane. It was crazy. I didn't even thought it would be not in terms of like people running across the border, just in terms of like how dystopian are the edge of our country is. And there's just this giant like wall that homemade ladders are thrown over, you know, that they climb over and like the, uh, the border patrol. They're insane. You know, they, they don't care. The ones I met at least, they were more worried about me driving around for my story. I was allowed to be there. Then they worry about people coming over the border. Yeah. And they mount a fentanyl coming through like millions of pounds coming over the border and tunnels or through drones, you know?

• 2:06:22Speaker 03

  And, uh, I thought that was fascinating. So like, I got that, but you know, I'm, I always say like, don't just trust me. Right. I'm just one person with a whole lot of baggage in my brain, you know, read as much as you can, whether it's on the ground or not, right? Cause there's also books, you know? Uh, so that was a really interesting debate for me, but also like a really important one to have, especially right now, what we're talking about with media and everything going on. Cause look at all these influencers in the White House. They're on the ground. I'm like, I don't feel like I'm getting the full story from them. You know, like they're right there and they're not asking the questions I think are important. Yeah. I think it could, and they'll be like, well, it's, it's still early, but I'm like, I don't know. There's a lot going on right now that I think we should be talking about.

• 2:07:03Speaker 03

  You know, I don't, I'm not in my life, when I'm talking to these people in West Virginia. A lot of this awesome stuff coming out of Doge. It's, it's awesome, but it's like an abstract joy because everyone's still suffering, right? There's still like, we're all poor and like the gas prices haven't dropped yet by us at least. The food's still expensive. Everyone's living pay to check to paycheck. So while it's amazing that we're cutting all this stuff with Doge. You know, there's, it hasn't yet been real like improvement to people's lives. And then I guess the argument would be like, well, it takes time totally, but it, it just sucks that in the inverse, it can be overnight for them to ruin your life. Yeah. You know, like when Biden got in, um, with the pipeline, like it was like the Keystone Pipeline, like he cut that in like immediately.

• 2:07:48Speaker 03

  Whatever pipeline it was, and that had a direct impact on everyone. Yeah. And prices. Yeah. So I wish it could be the opposite now. Uh, I'm just, I'm seeing a lot of people not really getting on board with it. And I'm seeing a lot of people really, uh, disenchanted, like my, the, to tie all this AI stuff and Trump together and then with Maha. Like. The AI movement and these tech billionaire vampires are in direct conflict with Maha. And, and day two of Trump's, of him being in office right now, he announced Project Stargate. Right? Did you see that?

• 2:08:18Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  $500 billion to AI. Sam Altman's there, Larry Ellison.

• 2:08:24Danny Jones?

  500 billion?

• 2:08:25Speaker 03

  Yes, and uh.

• 2:08:26Danny Jones?

  Why they calling it Stargate?

• 2:08:27Speaker 03

  Interesting, right? Cause I don't think Stargate ever ended. I think this is just like a continuation of, of, you know, ESP mind. And we were talking about telekinesis. This is just a continuation of that. We got it. Dude, this is a lot of money. This is his second day in office. You have to remember DeepSeek, was that, was that, was that China's AI thing that came out?

• 2:08:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:45Speaker 03

  It was like that day, right? So we're in like a cold war with this stuff and.

• 2:08:49Danny Jones?

  An AI race.

• 2:08:50Speaker 03

  And then when, when DeepSea came out, Marc Andreessen was like, this is a Sputnik moment. And I agree. This is big. Um, but, but why I say it's in direct conflict with Maha is that at this press conference, Altman and Ellison go up and be, and they're like, we're gonna make, we're gonna use AI to, to take your blood samples and see if you got any like weird cancer. And if we find your cancer, we will make designer 48 hour mRNA vaccines.

• 2:09:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:18Speaker 03

  And like you hear that and then all the Maha moms.

• 2:09:19Danny Jones?

  Human genome project.

• 2:09:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, all the Maha moms like, what do you mean?

• 2:09:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:23Speaker 03

  And so when they see RFK Junior not like, you know, kind of being a little more pro mRNA vaccines, uh, then you see this. You know, people are reluctant now to, to really, you know, the Maha crowd, at least that I'm talking to, I mean, there's some who are still in support, obviously. But I, I see this as a direct slap in the face to Maha.

• 2:09:42Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of people who think RFK Junior is like a Trojan horse for the pharmaceutical companies.

• 2:09:47Speaker 03

  There's a lot of people who think he's like Mossad or, or controlled by Mossad, you know?

• 2:09:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there was that crazy story that came out.

• 2:09:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 2:09:53Danny Jones?

  Who was the one who, uh, it was Candace Owens, I think.

• 2:09:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Ian Carroll.

• 2:09:56Danny Jones?

  And Ian.

• 2:09:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Speaker 03

  He's been on this show, he's been on my show. We had some pretty crazy conversations with, with Ian. I like Ian. And, but he, you know, I don't know if that's the full story. It goes back to what I'm saying with Boogie, the Boogeyman, right? It's very possible though, because I, the Kennedys, in my opinion, are degenerates. I like, I like the idea of JFK, but like, if we're talking just like on a moral level, I just don't vibe with that.

• 2:10:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:20Speaker 03

  They're, they're like cheating on their wives. It's all kind of gross to me, like perverted. I'm not into that.

• 2:10:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:27Speaker 03

  But like, look, like I could separate art from the artist. I try to do that with politicians, but it's a little different because they're actually creating laws about our lives.

• 2:10:34Danny Jones?

  It's a weird thing, like, and maybe it's like, that's the kind of person you have to be to be in politics and be in Washington.

• 2:10:39Speaker 03

  That's, then that's terrible.

• 2:10:41Danny Jones?

  Maybe they can get good stuff done, but maybe they're like, you know, morally, they're pieces of shit.

• 2:10:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. And they, and they mostly, most of them are. Trump's no, you know, he's not great either.

• 2:10:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:50Speaker 03

  Clearly. Uh, so it's why, it's funny to me when I see all the purity tests going around.

• 2:10:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:54Speaker 03

  Uh, DC, I almost called it Hollywood. It was like a Freudian state. It's like, really no difference.

• 2:10:58Danny Jones?

  Tim Dillon called, uh, DC Hollywood for ugly people.

• 2:11:01Speaker 03

  I love Tim Dillon. That's amazing. But it's true. And like, so I'm saying all that to be like, it's very possible that there is blackmail on RFK Junior.

• 2:11:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  He's got a crazy life. He's like the capitating whales.

• 2:11:11Danny Jones?

  Bro, he was, he literally had like 35 fucking names and addresses in the black book.

• 2:11:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, dude, it's weird. And then there's that whole story of.

• 2:11:19Danny Jones?

  Like, how do you ignore that?

• 2:11:21Speaker 03

  He had that, the, the, the one reporter who was like sexting him, like just recently, right?

• 2:11:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:25Speaker 03

  That whole story was weird to me because I'm like, if that were me getting those types of messages from some strange lady or whatever she was to him, you're blocked and we're not talking again.

• 2:11:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:33Speaker 03

  Allegedly, he's opening up the, he keeps opening up the messages, right? He's blocked, she's blocked, she's not blocked. My sense has a lot to me, if that's true, right? I don't know. He's never really addressed it. But like, I think it's very possible that they do have something on him. But, uh, or if he's a Trojan horse, possible. They say the same for Trump. You know, because in my mind, he's kind of a Trojan horse for the AI people.

• 2:11:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:51Speaker 03

  He just gave him $500 billion to build things that I think are insane. I'm not taking mRNA shots. I'm not like, it, it goes back to the whole thing of like, it sounds amazing. It sounds amazing, but like, this is all like an accelerationism, right? It sounds amazing is how Elon talks about terraforming Mars. Like, he's like, you know, to terraform Mars, we'll just, we have to drop thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars. So like, that's how I see this stuff. It's like, they say it's for the good. But a lot of destruction has to take place first.

• 2:12:20Danny Jones?

  Did he really say he dropped thermonuclear bombs?

• 2:12:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he told it to Colbert. Yeah, like years ago.

• 2:12:24Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:12:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he might have changed his mind since then. But he was like, he's, well, he said there was a fast way and a slow way. I don't remember what the slow way was, but the fast way was dropping thermonuclear bombs on the poles of Mars to make it habitable.

• 2:12:36Danny Jones?

  Have you heard the story about how there's like, they found isotopes on Mars that like are so rare? It's like they matched the exact isotopes they found in like the nuclear, the thermonuclear test sites on Earth?

• 2:12:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:46Danny Jones?

  And it's like, they're, people think that there was like an ancient thermonuclear war on Mars or something?

• 2:12:52Speaker 03

  Well, this goes, this will connect to my fringe theory. This is just a fringe theory from my brain now that I'm, I'll take outside of it. But like Elon's from a breakaway civilization. He's descendant of a ancient civilization that left Earth many, many years ago. Maybe, maybe that's why his grandfather was looking for the lost civilization of Kalahari. That's where they're from, you know, and they went to Mars. And that's where he was doing a lot of the stuff or had information passed down to him from an ancient species. I mean, look, anything's possible now. And I only say that because like Elon's quote is so good. You know, the most likely outcome is the most entertaining. So for me.

• 2:13:25Danny Jones?

  The most likely outcome is the most.

• 2:13:27Speaker 03

  That's how it goes. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:13:28Danny Jones?

  Huh.

• 2:13:29Speaker 03

  So for me, the most entertaining outcome would be him being from a breakaway civilization. And that's why he has all these technologies.

• 2:13:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:37Speaker 03

  To, to rule the world and go back to Mars, his home planet.

• 2:13:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And he's hopped up on ketamine, right?

• 2:13:42Speaker 03

  So they say, he's, I mean, if he's, if he is doing all this stuff, he's got to be hopped up on something.

• 2:13:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:47Speaker 03

  Uh, just like, you know, JFK was hopped up on stuff too. What were they giving him? Was it? I forget what, he was on amphetamines or something.

• 2:13:53Danny Jones?

  Have you heard the story of, um, uh, JFK and Timothy Leary?

• 2:13:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:13:58Danny Jones?

  Was it Timothy Leary? Um, there was a story how, um, this one lady named Mary, I forget her last name. But she was one of his like lovers and she went to Timothy Leary and she's like, hey, um, I need some LSD. I have a really powerful friend that wants to try it. But she wouldn't tell him who it was. And he's like, I want to go with you. I can, you know, give it to him and, you know, explain it to him and all this stuff. She's like, no, you can't even know. I can't tell you anything about it. And, um, the story is that she like gave Kennedy the LSD. They did LSD together. And that was like the precipice of him wanting to like back out of Vietnam and do all this stuff.

• 2:14:39Danny Jones?

  And then that lady was whacked while she was on a run like a year later.

• 2:14:44Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:14:44Danny Jones?

  This is who it was. Yeah. Mary Pinchot. Timothy Leary was associated with Mary Pinchot Meyer, um, and she, oh, her husband was in the CIA too.

• 2:14:53Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:14:54Danny Jones?

  Leary supplied her with LSD and she used it with her lover JFK. There's a whole book about it. It's called Mary's Mosaic and, uh, Leary later claimed that Meyer helped influence Kennedy's views on nuclear disarmament and reproachment with Cuba.

• 2:15:10Speaker 03

  They MK altered him.

• 2:15:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's her. Yeah.

• 2:15:13Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 2:15:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a really wild story.

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure him and, and Jackie were on amphetamines too. Weren't they getting like some kind of crazy drug injected into them?

• 2:15:23Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 2:15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, I think it was amphetamines. They called it like the happy doctor.

• 2:15:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:15:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And it ended, I mean, he stopped it at one point, but I'm pretty sure he was on something, but they all are.

• 2:15:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:33Speaker 03

  They all are. You kind of have to be.

• 2:15:34Danny Jones?

  I always wonder what Trump's on. Cause that guy's like a fucking machine.

• 2:15:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, he claims to be clean.

• 2:15:39Danny Jones?

  Elon's definitely on something. I know you've talked about Kanye too, how he's just like a workaholic and this is like.

• 2:15:44Speaker 03

  I saw him eat nothing. Like I think I saw him eat once in like 24 hours.

• 2:15:47Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:15:48Speaker 03

  It's crazy watching these people. They're just, uh, fame, like that level of fame, you almost become an alien. Like you're a different species and like watching, uh, Kanye, you know, I'm watching him do fashion, architecture, politics. Like he's trying to rewrite the constitution in a night, um, with Reddit and, uh, and then making music all like in one space.

• 2:16:11Danny Jones?

  And like, how is he trying to rewrite the concept?

• 2:16:12Speaker 03

  Oh, he thought, he thought he could weaponize the autists online to rewrite the constitution to fit what he thought would be more like Christian based views.

• 2:16:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:16:20Speaker 03

  And like, he wants to put blasphemy laws in place, which I get, but I'm like, I don't want that. Cause I'm like, oh, cause we're totally deranged society. But I'm like, dude, you put blasphemy laws in place, then there's no you. Like you can't exist. No, there's no young Kanye, right?

• 2:16:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:35Speaker 03

  Uh, and like, there's no Manson. Like despite my, like I have my own thing going on. I think I also believe in free will, right? So this is like a way of installing like a determinist worldview onto people, which is what AI is doing too.

• 2:16:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:49Speaker 03

  Predictive policing and stuff like that.

• 2:16:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:51Speaker 03

  So I'm against all of that, right? But he was really trying to like rewrite the constitution, which is a hilarious thing to think. And I'd be like, you know what? I'm gonna rewrite the constitution.

• 2:16:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:59Speaker 03

  Hilarious. He and he hired a constitutional lawyer.

• 2:17:02Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:17:02Speaker 03

  I talked to him and I know that lawyer. Like, he has talked about two, two serious people like about this.

• 2:17:08Danny Jones?

  Because the founding fathers went out of their way to make sure that religion and Christianity was in no way tied to the constitution. Like those guys, a lot of those guys were anti Christians.

• 2:17:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, some of them were like pagans, I guess, and like some of them were Christian, but like it's.

• 2:17:22Danny Jones?

  Masons.

• 2:17:23Speaker 03

  It's, yeah, there's a lot of that too. A lot of Masons still today.

• 2:17:26Danny Jones?

  Have you heard the original national anthem?

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:17:28Danny Jones?

  It's like an ode to Bacchus.

• 2:17:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:17:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the wine god.

• 2:17:31Speaker 03

  Of course, I had no idea.

• 2:17:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's wild shit.

• 2:17:34Speaker 03

  The, the Masons like, I, I, that's another boogeyman for people. They think it's all the, the Masons, all the illuminati is the Masons. I don't think it's that simple, but there's certainly super dark Masons out there.

• 2:17:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  Doing weird stuff. And I've known some people who've become Masons and they've said like.

• 2:17:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 03

  When you enter, you can become a light Mason or a dark Mason. Uh, this is one of these things I haven't looked into all that much, but like it's, it's always been weird to me. How many presidents have been Masons and how much architecture has been informed by masonry, obviously. Um, but like in DC in particular. So like, I don't know, but it just seems like another one of those things, like it's just another weird dark cog in this like machine. That's just grinding away at, at America and the world and all this stuff.

• 2:18:15Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:18:15Speaker 03

  But like my only real experience with, with, uh, going to one of those places, not the Masons, but the Oddfellows was I went to an Oddfellows to play a show with my old band. We're like a death metal show and we show up and it's an Oddfellows and I see a door in, in the wall. And I pull it open and it's just a skeleton inside. And that's interesting. That's very interesting.

• 2:18:34Danny Jones?

  A real one?

• 2:18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:18:35Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:18:36Speaker 03

  I put beer in its mouth and then our, and then our van exploded.

• 2:18:39Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:18:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, not fully, but we were, we were, we were on the side of the road.

• 2:18:43Danny Jones?

  Didn't you say you played with Horse, the band?

• 2:18:45Speaker 03

  Um, we might have opened for them, but I, I know John Carroll, who was their drummer.

• 2:18:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:18:50Speaker 03

  For a while. Yeah, he's now he's in the Sawtooth Grin, which is one of my favorite bands.

• 2:18:53Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay.

• 2:18:54Speaker 03

  But yeah, Horse Man's great. But yeah, I was like playing in shows with like those bands for years, like for 10 years.

• 2:18:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:59Speaker 03

  All around like the country and not like for half the country. We didn't make it really out west much, but during MySpace days.

• 2:19:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:06Speaker 03

  Just booking tours on MySpace.

• 2:19:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, I remember those days.

• 2:19:09Speaker 03

  Go to Alabama, you know, for the night. Florida was always the best. Florida and Virginia were like our favorite places to go.

• 2:19:14Danny Jones?

  Tampa, Florida is the death metal capital of the world, man.

• 2:19:17Speaker 03

  Is it Cannibal Corpse here or Six Man?

• 2:19:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Cannibal, Cannibal Corpse, a lot of them.

• 2:19:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, do great metal in Florida. Shy Halud came from here, great hardcore band that left Florida and then moved to my neck of the woods in New York and Poughkeepsie. Like I said, Manson. Yeah, I always loved coming to Florida. I almost died in Tampa, though, at one point.

• 2:19:33Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, back in my drug days. I had bad issues with drugs and bought some things I shouldn't have bought.

• 2:19:38Danny Jones?

  What kind of drugs?

• 2:19:39Speaker 03

  It was like OxyContin, I think. And I was on a, I had a bad pill phase in my life. I had broken both knees.

• 2:19:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  At shows. Uh, one knee playing a show, uh, where was I? Somewhere in New York. The whole thing just, that was horrible. And then a few months later, I had a Dillinger Skate Plan show when they were playing 43% Burnt and The Chance in Poughkeepsie. Someone jumped off the balcony above me and landed on my knee and broke during that breakdown at the end of the song. Like, that sucked. But so I got like addicted to pills. I was in my early twenties.

• 2:20:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:08Speaker 03

  Real shame, uh, and a very horrible thing. So I came down here, still into that stuff, and a friend was like, oh, we can get some good pills. And we went and, I actually thought of this as I was driving here, because I'm like, ooh, I kind of like had like an aftertaste of the pill, like being here.

• 2:20:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, God, yeah. I know a lot of people who died from pills.

• 2:20:27Speaker 03

  Oh, it's horrible. Bought pills from a dude outside, I think like a dog track or something.

• 2:20:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's a dog track.

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  And this guy had an OD. He had OD'd years prior and lost all his fingers. So I picked the pills off of his mitten skin hand. That had no fingers. It was like a balloon knots attached to his little fat skin hand.

• 2:20:47Danny Jones?

  Holy shit.

• 2:20:48Speaker 03

  I'm just like, and we snorted it. And I had never gotten so sick. I thought I was gonna die.

• 2:20:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  Uh, it was the worst I've ever felt. And I was typically not doing stuff like that. After the pills, yeah, but like. Not snorting stuff ever, you know, and that was really disgusting, throwing up for like days.

• 2:21:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  But it was the highest I'd ever been like, it was insane how, you know, how that was went right to my brain. I'll never forget that guy's hand in the dark.

• 2:21:12Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:21:13Speaker 03

  I should have known from that, like, I mean, you should not touch anything.

• 2:21:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:17Speaker 03

  After, you know, leaves this like giant bear claw. So that's my memory of Tampa and playing shows down here.

• 2:21:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, a lot of drugs around here, man.

• 2:21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just like us.

• 2:21:25Danny Jones?

  A lot of people who died. I thought I was talking to my buddy the other day. I was like, dude, it's a miracle. We made it through.

• 2:21:30Speaker 03

  Seriously.

• 2:21:30Danny Jones?

  Cause we know so many, like so, there's been so many casualties of fucking pills and opiates.

• 2:21:34Speaker 03

  That's how me and my friends feel too. Just like, cause we were doing a lot of stuff, you know, horrible things like robot, robo tripping.

• 2:21:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:21:43Speaker 03

  You know, corset and like, you can't even do that anymore though. Not that you should, but I'm drinking like, you know, taking these pills and drinking forties of old English. Like just ridiculous things, listening to bands like Earth Crisis who were straight edge, singing along like, I am straight edge while taking swigs of like crazy horse.

• 2:22:00Speaker 03

  And like, I, I, I look back a lot. I'm like, how did we make it?

• 2:22:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:03Speaker 03

  Cause we were very lucky, very lucky.

• 2:22:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's some, there's something weird about drugs and music where it's like, the best music comes out of people who are on a lot of drugs.

• 2:22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:15Danny Jones?

  Or like have big time drug problems.

• 2:22:18Speaker 03

  That's why the government gave the, the, the doors acid, you know, that's why everyone got acid.

• 2:22:22Danny Jones?

  Look, really?

• 2:22:23Speaker 03

  Look what, I mean, just look what acid did to music.

• 2:22:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  Like with the Beatles, with the Beach Boys, like I love the Beach Boys, a big time Beach Boys fan. When Brian Wilson started doing drugs, they got really, really good. That's how we got Pet Sounds. That's my favorite, favorite.

• 2:22:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:22:38Speaker 03

  Right. God only knows is my favorite song. All my children were born to that song and my wife walked down the aisle to that song. I'm obsessed with that song. I love that. Such a beautiful song, but like him doing drugs really changed the way he viewed music. I guess he has synesthesia, synesthesia as well, where you can see you correlate sounds and colors.

• 2:22:57Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:22:58Speaker 03

  Kanye says he has it too. But he hears these voices, you know, and then the drugs accelerated that.

• 2:23:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:04Speaker 03

  He, he sent Beach Boys out on tour and he's like, I'm not touring anymore. I'm just gonna stay home and write crazy music.

• 2:23:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:08Speaker 03

  And Pet Sounds is crazy. And I mean, he might've been MKUltra, honestly, cause he had a bad, his life was crazy, you know? After Pet Sounds, he did on Smile, which is a great record.

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• 2:23:49Speaker 03

  But that was like put in a vault for a long time and picked apart and other songs, like songs from Smile as he intended him to be.

• 2:23:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:56Speaker 03

  Put on other records, like that's how we got Good Vibrations is from Smile. And if you listen to Good Vibrations, how it came out initially, how he envisioned it, it was like this, you know, path of the American history, leading up to Good Vibrations. And it's such a beautiful crescendo. But he's on massive drugs. And while recording that, you know, he, he's thinking he's manifesting fires. Like there's a part on Smile where he's saying, um, it's about a leary's cow in Chicago Fire and stuff. And he starts a fire in the studio and they're all wearing like firemen hats. And I actually talked to the lady who played bass on that song. She's still alive and she's amazing. She was part of the wrecking crew, which is part of that, that group that played a lot of his tracks in studio.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  And he, a fire started like on some, down the road or something, across town. And he was like, I did it. I started that fire with my brain. You know, like, so drugs were interesting, but like, that's all to say that shouldn't do drugs. But yeah, it definitely made music way interesting. And then so he's doing that and making that. And now the Beatles are competing with him.

• 2:24:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:58Speaker 03

  Cause the Beatles are seeing like, he sees the Beatles and he's like, I need to do something better. And the Beatles see him and then now they're competing. And like, I'm not the biggest, I like the Beatles, I'm not the biggest fan. And, uh, but it's amazing to see that competition and then how the drugs were injected into either camp. And then all of them, you know? But like, I'm very glad I don't do drugs anymore.

• 2:25:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then you see like when artists get off drugs and they sober up, like the music's just not the same. There's like this intangible thing that disappears. Doesn't always work. Doesn't always work.

• 2:25:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm trying to think like maybe when Lil Wayne got out of jail, like it kind of stunk. I'm a, I'm a big fan of. Wayne, like I like Cardi B and stuff, but uh, he's probably not sober now. But like, yeah, it doesn't always happen. They lose whatever that is. Like it's like a recklessness or it opens up. But it's sad because like a lot of artists.

• 2:25:40Danny Jones?

  I think Gucci Mane is the best example. Like, like you said, his stuff's still good, but like there was something about that moment, that period in time where he was just cranking out.

• 2:25:48Speaker 03

  Fat Gucci.

• 2:25:48Danny Jones?

  Tracks. Yeah. Fat fucking beer belly Gucci.

• 2:25:52Speaker 03

  It was a good time.

• 2:25:53Danny Jones?

  Just cranking out multiple tracks per day, coming out on Dap Piff.

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. Oh, man. I miss those rap blog days.

• 2:26:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:26:01Speaker 03

  I used to go to not write.com all the times. Like my favorite blog to forget rap songs, but like now he got out of jail and he's like, he's ripped and he looks good.

• 2:26:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:09Speaker 03

  He's put out some good songs, but like, no, I agree with like that song Lemonade, old school Gucci is a great, great song.

• 2:26:15Danny Jones?

  First day out. That's the best one.

• 2:26:18Speaker 03

  I'm gonna probably listen to that tonight now. Something about being in warm weather too, always makes you want to hear Gucci. He's from, he's Georgia, right?

• 2:26:24Danny Jones?

  Atlanta, yeah.

• 2:26:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that stuff though. But yeah, I don't know, like the drugs, like we did it and it definitely influenced our music because we were writing some like real trippy, like weird death metal with jazz.

• 2:26:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  But it was, it was, it was fun to like just get in a basement and be like crazy, you know, and just write crazy stuff, you know? And all we had was like a four track recorder, like a Tascam, you know? And then somehow go out into the world all high and do crazy things and not go to jail.

• 2:26:51Danny Jones?

  And not die.

• 2:26:51Speaker 03

  I don't know how. I really don't know how we somehow sidestepped that. I mean, some of us went to jail.

• 2:26:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:56Speaker 03

  Some of us didn't make it. But my core group of friends are still thankfully alive, despite the debauchery that we went through for many, many years.

• 2:27:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's always curious to see like what, like how also the government is still using drugs, you know, like, like, cause the government obviously tries to weaponize everything they could get their hands on and try to like that. That's like, um, the, the most innovation and the most money goes into stuff to, for war, right? Like technology for war, drugs for war, like during the Cold War and stuff like that.

• 2:27:28Speaker 03

  Big Pharma is part of the military industrial complex. It's part of the media industrial complex. Like you watch TV and like every commercials for some weird drug.

• 2:27:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:36Speaker 03

  Which is why they're freaking out. I think that RFK says he's gonna ban those. And like, if he does, I think that's great, you know? I don't think these corporations should have free speech.

• 2:27:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:27:46Speaker 03

  Like, like Clearview AI is a good example of this. People were really upset when Clearview took all everyone's faces off the internet. It just scraped the internet of everyone's face to put it in their database.

• 2:27:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:57Speaker 03

  And then their CEO at the time was like, our corporation has the ability to do that because of freedom of speech. It's our expression. I'm like, wait, that doesn't extend to you.

• 2:28:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:05Speaker 03

  That was his argument. I think it was like on ABC or CBS, something like that where he said that, but um, I don't agree with that. And we're the only country other than New Zealand, I believe.

• 2:28:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:14Speaker 03

  That has these commercials.

• 2:28:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:16Speaker 03

  Um, and they're a joke to me and I don't think they're safe.

• 2:28:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:19Speaker 03

  These drugs are, everyone has like a crazy amount of side.

• 2:28:22Danny Jones?

  Half of the commercial has to list the side effects.

• 2:28:24Speaker 03

  Death, diarrhea.

• 2:28:25Danny Jones?

  Occasional pregnancy.

• 2:28:27Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:28:27Danny Jones?

  Loss of limbs.

• 2:28:28Speaker 03

  How? But like, they're certainly drugging us.

• 2:28:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:31Speaker 03

  I think it's in our water, it's in the sky.

• 2:28:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:33Speaker 03

  I think it's coming out of every, they get you in every possible place.

• 2:28:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:37Speaker 03

  Our grocery stores are filled with poison.

• 2:28:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:40Speaker 03

  You know, we're very careful with what we give our kids. Just cause like, I wish I was raised that way, but I wasn't, you know? My parents just gave us TV dinners out of microwave.

• 2:28:48Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:28:49Speaker 03

  I'm halfway okay. I have like a caveman skull and uh, some really problematic thoughts, but like uh, you know, now that we know this stuff like, we are conscientious about like plastic.

• 2:29:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:01Speaker 03

  And the water we drink. And like, the fluoride in the water is an issue, you know? I really do think that. And like, I remember talking to the guy in our town who does the water department. And he was, uh, I forget why he was there. He was there to count like our water, to make sure our pipe was working, where the city water was coming in. I'm like, I was telling him about like filtering the water. He's like, the fluoride's not bad for you.

• 2:29:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:29:21Speaker 03

  I'm like, alright, like, why do you think that? He's like, well, uh, you know, it's only a little bit. It's only a very small amount and won't have any effect. And he's, the whole cavity spiel, right? It's good for your teeth, which doesn't make any sense to me. But cool dude. Um, then he, he tells me, like, we go on and he tells me, I, he says, I will be fined by the county if I stop putting fluoride in the water.

• 2:29:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:42Speaker 03

  And I have to be, and have to pay like some ridiculous amount for mouthwash for the public schools. I'm like, huh, that's interesting.

• 2:29:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:49Speaker 03

  And then he was like, and then honestly, he's like, I've, I've like tested fluoride in water and uh, it just like has this insane shelf life. It just doesn't go away.

• 2:29:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:58Speaker 03

  He was like, well, that was weird. I'm like, that's all I'm saying, dude. So they find any way to to to get this stuff into you. It's like almost nothing is safe. Cause every part of your life has been infiltrated.

• 2:30:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:08Speaker 03

  By this stuff.

• 2:30:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:30:10Speaker 03

  It's coming out of the sky. It's coming to the ground. You just do your best.

• 2:30:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:13Speaker 03

  You're not gonna, I I'm not gonna live in a bubble to avoid this stuff. Like I know that I I've got plastic all up in this body.

• 2:30:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:19Speaker 03

  You know, for lots of reasons. And like, I'm covered in tattoos. That's probably also not great.

• 2:30:22Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:30:23Speaker 03

  So like, do my best now and also teach our kids, you know, the dangers. But sometimes it's it is funny, like, like we try not to eat salmon too much. Like, salmon's like part bug. You've seen that, like the bioengineered salmon that they.

• 2:30:35Danny Jones?

  You mean like the farm raised salmon?

• 2:30:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that they've like, it's bioengineered and the FDA approved it back in the nineties. And they've got all these salmon farms, bioengineered salmon farms out west that keep breaking out into the wild population.

• 2:30:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, no, I haven't seen that.

• 2:30:47Speaker 03

  For years. So like salmon.

• 2:30:48Danny Jones?

  Break out?

• 2:30:49Speaker 03

  Oh, it's ton, there's been a ton of like, just collapses of the nets. And they're just like, eh, they're part of the real thing now. So like.

• 2:30:53Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:30:54Speaker 03

  They're procreating with, um, normal wild salmon. Uh, so like, you don't know what salmon is, really. But that, you could say that for lots of things.

• 2:31:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:02Speaker 03

  But you've, uh, we've watched the color of salmon change.

• 2:31:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:31:06Speaker 03

  It's weird.

• 2:31:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's not supposed to be, it's not supposed to be that pink color.

• 2:31:09Speaker 03

  No, it's super weird.

• 2:31:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:11Speaker 03

  Um, and I used to love salmon. So, you know, but we tell our kids this. And sometimes I forget, like, I tell our eight year old that. I don't tell our four year old that. And it will be, we were at a party recently and, uh, some dinner thing. They gave out salmon. I was just gonna be respectful. I'm gonna eat. I'm not gonna stop the party and be like, this is bug.

• 2:31:26Danny Jones?

  That person. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:31:27Speaker 03

  But my son does.

• 2:31:30Speaker 03

  He's like, oh, I already said, and this is like bug. I'm like, oh, man, I'm proud. But maybe, um, we gotta teach him not to say it in public all the time.

• 2:31:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:38Speaker 03

  Uh, but but I do, you know, there's certain things we talk about. And I think it's good for kids to know at an early age and just be careful, because it is a crazy depraved world. And everyone's out to get you. But you don't want to make them paranoid.

• 2:31:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I mean, you can really tell the difference. Like, if you like, if we go, if we go on like a trip to like Costa Rica or something for a week, and we're just, I can eat fucking anything. Pizza, burgers, tacos, drink beer, and I feel fucking great.

• 2:32:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:32:04Danny Jones?

  I feel light.

• 2:32:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:32:05Danny Jones?

  And then you come back home and you realize like, just going to Chipotle, you feel like. You just ate a pound of concrete.

• 2:32:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it affects your whole body.

• 2:32:12Danny Jones?

  It's crazy. I mean, the difference is is crazy that you can feel it.

• 2:32:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I that's it's gross to me. Yeah, I really that's why it's like it's this weird controversial topic these days. We were talking about in like in the political world about like if food stamps should allow people to buy this poison stuff.

• 2:32:32Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 2:32:32Speaker 03

  My take is no, because it's our money and I'd rather not poison people. I also don't want my money going to like abortions or.

• 2:32:38Danny Jones?

  Stinger missiles.

• 2:32:39Speaker 03

  Palate here or like or like, you know, the people getting killed with the death penalty. Like, I don't want to support anything like that, right? So that falls along with how I feel, but people are like, people just have that option. I'm like, you have the option with your own money. I'd rather not. I also like. You know, it's hard. It's a hard thing to talk about with people where like they want to tell companies, don't make that stuff. That I'll stop there, though, right? Because I'm like, I don't want to really tell the companies what they can and can't do.

• 2:33:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:06Speaker 03

  It's it's but it's all, you know, it's all like a gray area. Because that's in conflict with my idea of the monopolies now, right? And like, what are we going to do with these giant tech companies that are taking over? As I said, like, it's reflective of what happened with the monopolies with Teddy Roosevelt and the trust busting and all that stuff. Yeah, so it's like, I don't really agree with it. Someone like Milton Friedman would say, you know.

• 2:33:29Speaker 03

  Competition is the best way to take care of a monopoly. And I think that's probably the best way because there's really no taking care of monopolies. Like Standard Oil was broken up and they eventually just started like reemerging, you know, and like they'd be like, okay, Exxon Mobil is now back together, you know. These two are back there. But there's still a network of them. You know, Standard Oil still is not here, but it is here. It's just been fractured across the country. So it's not as powerful. It's probably still doing the same things.

• 2:33:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:53Speaker 03

  So, yeah, I'm just, it's it's tough. It's just not one right answer. I think it's a lot of this stuff.

• 2:33:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:33:58Speaker 03

  And the only way to really.

• 2:34:00Danny Jones?

  And there's sometimes, sometimes the reaction can be an overreaction.

• 2:34:03Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:03Danny Jones?

  It can be too much. Like, I always worry about that with like the vaccine stuff, right?

• 2:34:06Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:06Danny Jones?

  Because like the COVID vaccines come out now, people, a lot of people think and me, I'm kind of, I don't know, right? Maybe all vaccines are bad.

• 2:34:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:12Danny Jones?

  But maybe not. Maybe that's totally wrong. Maybe a lot of them are really fucking good. I mean, we know fucking ancient people were using like ancient versions. Vaccines or antibodies and using that stuff to cure ailments and plague and stuff like this.

• 2:34:23Speaker 03

  I think there was something to those older vaccines.

• 2:34:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:25Speaker 03

  Like not just like those, but like the ones we had when we were kids. But there's also ones like the vaccine schedule is ridiculous.

• 2:34:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right.

• 2:34:30Speaker 03

  All that's insane. I'm glad we're having that conversation as a society. But yeah, the backlash, we could overcompensate into oblivion.

• 2:34:38Danny Jones?

  For sure.

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  So you gotta be careful. I've got one kid, one of our kids has nothing, right? And she's got the best health immune system of all of our kids.

• 2:34:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:46Speaker 03

  Our oldest has a few and we delayed his schedule because we were at that point, even this pre-COVID, everything.

• 2:34:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:52Speaker 03

  I was already distrusting. My wife more so, right? She was like, we're gonna just hold off on a few of these things. It's like, that's a lot to give a kid at once.

• 2:34:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:59Speaker 03

  And I never really thought about it.

• 2:35:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:01Speaker 03

  So I was like, all right, cool. We got to have different practices for not doing all of them at once. And then COVID happened and it was like a crazy stressful time for obviously everyone. But for me personally, it was like losing the job, wife was pregnant with our second.

• 2:35:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:15Speaker 03

  Had we, we had closed on our first house the day New York state shut down.

• 2:35:19Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:35:20Speaker 03

  So I was like experiencing stress to a whole new degree. Like honestly, the pandemic was the least of my problems. Like it was like all this other stuff is crazy.

• 2:35:28Speaker 03

  So I go to my doctor who I'd been going to for years. And I'm like, hey, like my heart just feels crazy. Like I'm just like stressed. Like what should I do? I'm like, I'm just looking for like, we're gonna change your diet. We're gonna do this and that.

• 2:35:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:39Speaker 03

  I didn't realize she had gone so unhinged where she was like, the best thing you can do for yourself is take the COVID shot right now. And I was like, no.

• 2:35:47Danny Jones?

  She said?

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. And she, and she told me like, I made my husband do it. I made my little kids do it. You know, I make my husband mask up at the gym. And I was like, oh, wow. I'm surrounded by a crazy person. Like, oh, it happened to be the day that New York lifted the mask ban. They said you didn't have to wear a mask in public anymore. Which we weren't doing, Nancy and I weren't doing it, but like the hos- the hospitals made you do it and the doctor practice made you do it. And the doctor, the, the practice was running around like crazy. They were like, what are we gonna do without a mask on? Like they were so, they're so scared. That should have been like an inkling is what I was getting into. But I was shocked. That was her, that was her like thing to me.

• 2:36:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:20Speaker 03

  And I was like, well, she was like, it would alleviate your stress with the pandemic. I'm like, that is literally like last. I'm like, I just need to know how to deal with stress better. I've always been a stressed out person. It was peak stress that time.

• 2:36:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:30Speaker 03

  So that's, you know, tie all that in with the technocracy and all this stuff, like experts in charge. She's, she's allegedly an expert, but she's lost her mind. So how am I supposed to have any trust in these institutions, you know, when I'm seeing them lose their minds? But like, and then that, her response is now. Discrediting real problems, you know, like there you could, you do need a vaccine perhaps if you go to some crazy place.

• 2:36:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:36:53Speaker 03

  And they've got something breaking out, but like I'll, I'm more into the old school ones.

• 2:36:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:56Speaker 03

  Than these new like technological like mRNA stuff.

• 2:36:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:59Speaker 03

  That just is, is, is too experimental now. So that's, that's gonna be an interesting way to navigate the future too.

• 2:37:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And like for my kids, our pediatrician is like, they kicked us out because we said we didn't want to do the vaccines. Like they're like, you can't come here anymore because you're going to put all the other people at risk.

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 2:37:16Danny Jones?

  So, and we went around everywhere. We've been looking for like holistic doctors that don't push those things and they all suck.

• 2:37:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:37:23Danny Jones?

  It's all, they're all garbage. None of them give a fuck.

• 2:37:26Speaker 03

  Yep. Yep.

• 2:37:26Danny Jones?

  That's our problem. Not that they're too woo woo. It's just like, they don't fucking pay attention. We really love the fucking lady doctor pediatrician who is pushing the vaccines because she like pays the most attention to the kids. She's like the most affectionate. She like gives them the time of day.

• 2:37:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:37:38Danny Jones?

  But like the same time, so now we're like to the point where we're just trying to like, oh, we're going to just delay, we're going to delay, we're going to delay and like not saying no, because like she's the only one who seems to care.

• 2:37:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:37:47Danny Jones?

  But at like the same time, we don't want to, you know, do that fucking full schedule of vaccines all at once with these young kids.

• 2:37:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's weird. I think it's, it's a lot, you know?

• 2:37:56Danny Jones?

  It's weird.

• 2:37:56Speaker 03

  About a lot of different diseases and who knows where, what they're going to attribute to like RFK said, he's going to give us like the, the answer to where autism, like a lot of autism is coming from.

• 2:38:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:07Speaker 03

  Like, I'm like, what does that even mean? Cause I, it's kind of like the boogeyman thing. It's a lot of things.

• 2:38:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:11Speaker 03

  You know, it's like, our diet is terrible.

• 2:38:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:13Speaker 03

  The sky's filled with trash. You know, I got this whole thing. I'll talk about fake clouds and like I, there's fake clouds. Like I mean, and I mean like there's real clouds up there, but they're also filled with a lot of weird forever chemicals that are all over.

• 2:38:25Danny Jones?

  I've seen the videos of the people making clouds, the machines that make clouds.

• 2:38:28Speaker 03

  There are machine clouds, machine made clouds. There's chemtrails. There's, there's clouds that are just made up mutilated with forever chemicals.

• 2:38:34Danny Jones?

  Dude, we had, we just had two crazy hurricanes and I, and half my friends all believed that the CIA made the hurricanes.

• 2:38:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're in the future.

• 2:38:42Danny Jones?

  There's a video of Michikaku talking about this like 10 years ago.

• 2:38:45Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. I know.

• 2:38:46Danny Jones?

  Talking about how we created thunderstorms in Vietnam, I think.

• 2:38:49Speaker 03

  Yeah. Operation Popeye.

• 2:38:50Danny Jones?

  Is that what it was?

• 2:38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in Vietnam, they were, they decided to get the Vietcong washed out of their tunnels. They were going to accelerate the tsunami season with seeding. Yeah. Look at that cloud machine.

• 2:39:01Danny Jones?

  Here's the video of the cloud machine.

• 2:39:02Speaker 03

  Dude, this thing is nuts.

• 2:39:04Danny Jones?

  That is insane, bro.

• 2:39:07Danny Jones?

  What is the explanation for this?

• 2:39:09Speaker 07

  Don't worry if you can't hear what I'm saying. I couldn't even hear myself. This is the loudest sound you could possibly conceive. And as it turns out, the cleanest.

• 2:39:24Danny Jones?

  The cleanest? Wow.

• 2:39:30Speaker 07

  Now, the most amazing thing is that that cloud up there, which was generated by the engine, is just a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. It's water vapor. And in about an hour's time, someone in Mississippi is going to get wet washing. It will actually rain.

• 2:39:47Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:39:47Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:39:48Speaker 03

  It's gonna rain good stuff. But this is like, that's gotta be a problem. Oh, look at this guy, he's getting fake rain on from the fake cloud. So happy. He's probably got three arms now and lost his eyesight.

• 2:39:59Speaker 03

  But like, the things they're doing in the sky are so alarming. You know, like Bill Gates wants to block out the sun with dust.

• 2:40:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, I saw that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:40:06Speaker 03

  Scope X. And so that seems like a fringe idea. And he keeps getting turned down, I guess, for funding, but they did Operation Seaspray back in the day, off the coast of San Francisco, where they're shooting bio-warfare into the air over the city to see how it affects people. Because they were like, how do we counter bioterrorism? Let's do bioterrorism, get people sick, and then figure it out. But now I think they're actually doing a sort of Scope X situation in San Francisco, where the military is spraying like dust in the air to reflect the sunlight back up to counter climate change.

• 2:40:38Danny Jones?

  I read about this, yeah.

• 2:40:40Speaker 03

  Bill Gates got his dream.

• 2:40:42Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ, dude. I had somebody explain it to me the best way ever. They're explaining to me like how, how technology, like how we're surrounded by screens all the time, under artificial light and inside all day. It's like turning us, it's like... You've heard the stories of what happens to the orcas at SeaWorld when they live their lives. They spend decades inside these tanks.

• 2:41:04Speaker 03

  Oh, how horrible.

• 2:41:04Danny Jones?

  They go crazy.

• 2:41:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:41:05Danny Jones?

  They go crazy and they kill the trainers. He's like, that's basically what's happening to us. We're the orcas inside those tanks in SeaWorld. We're not, we're not in the ocean anymore.

• 2:41:13Speaker 03

  Dude, I'm, I don't know if you're seeing it down here, but like I am experiencing a rise in mental illness in people I know. Like from back home in New York or just on the road. Like, it just seems people are more on the edge than they've ever been.

• 2:41:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:24Speaker 03

  Um, and it has to do with all these things. Politics is driving people crazy.

• 2:41:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:29Speaker 03

  Cause it's a disease. Um, but yeah, like normal people, like threatening my life, like not just like, you know, like we do public things and you're like on in the news. And sometimes people hear things you say they don't like and you send me a death threat online. I got people in real life who like stalkers. I've got like.

• 2:41:44Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:41:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, it's crazy and like it's nuts. Like I know, I've known these people, you know?

• 2:41:49Danny Jones?

  Oh, like, like friends?

• 2:41:50Speaker 03

  People, not, I wouldn't say friends, but like people I've known.

• 2:41:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:53Speaker 03

  More like associates will say.

• 2:41:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:55Speaker 03

  Like people I've known and it's just, I'm watching people lose their minds.

• 2:41:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:59Speaker 03

  Um, yeah. I'm catching old friends in, in lies that we haven't seen in a long time.

• 2:42:03Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:42:04Speaker 03

  Like big lies, like, like maybe they're not married lies. And they've been telling us for years. We haven't seen him, right? So we can get a lies.

• 2:42:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:11Speaker 03

  And it's just, it's all happening at the same time, you know? And it's like all over the place.

• 2:42:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:14Speaker 03

  And then you're seeing like all these really crazy depraved crimes happening in the cities, like people lighting themselves on fire. So that guy in New York who was the corpse.

• 2:42:22Danny Jones?

  No, I did not see that.

• 2:42:23Speaker 03

  I think the corpse, I think someone died. I think someone then robbed the corpse and I believe another person went and.

• 2:42:28Danny Jones?

  What? When was this?

• 2:42:30Speaker 03

  Like a day or a few, a few days ago.

• 2:42:31Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:42:32Speaker 03

  Look up corpse, that's a good name for a band in Florida.

• 2:42:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. It's a good name. That sounds like a title to a, a title track for Can't Kill a Corpse.

• 2:42:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:41Danny Jones?

  NYPD search for man accused of sexually violating a corpse in, on a Manhattan subway.

• 2:42:46Speaker 03

  What is going on?

• 2:42:49Danny Jones?

  Dude.

• 2:42:49Speaker 03

  What is going on? Yeah, it was Joe Biden.

• 2:42:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:55Danny Jones?

  It was Hunter.

• 2:42:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Dude, it's so crazy. And like, look, this is stuff that's been going on for a long time, unfortunately, like, you know, about Ed Gaiden and stuff and like weird serial killer stuff. But this is like. Like nonchalant daylight necrophilia. Why? So I don't know.

• 2:43:13Danny Jones?

  He was on fentanyl.

• 2:43:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, the rise in mental illness is going to be concerning.

• 2:43:18Danny Jones?

  It's crazy.

• 2:43:18Speaker 03

  You know, like you've seen like Luigi Mangione stuff.

• 2:43:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:22Speaker 03

  Now, I guess there was a copycat today that they didn't do anything, but I think they showed up to, um, you know, health headquarters looking to do the same thing.

• 2:43:28Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:43:29Speaker 03

  And you see people calling for violence. I'm like very anti that, you know?

• 2:43:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:33Speaker 03

  I oppose a lot of these things and I totally, I even understand Mangione's problem allegedly that he has with the system because it sucks. I don't want to go kill people, right? I don't want to do that. I don't like the same way like the Unabomber might say things as manifest what I really agree with. I don't want to try, I don't want to like promote the violence.

• 2:43:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:50Speaker 03

  But, um, you're seeing a lot of people like prominent people like embrace the violence. And so that's going to turn into something way, way too dark. You know, I don't know where that goes, you know?

• 2:44:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:02Speaker 03

  Like, you know, everyone makes fun of Tim for talking about civil war and stuff.

• 2:44:06Danny Jones?

  They make fun of him for?

• 2:44:06Speaker 03

  Oh, because he says, he says it like every episode.

• 2:44:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, does he?

• 2:44:08Speaker 03

  It's gonna be a civil war.

• 2:44:09Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:44:10Speaker 03

  Oh, he's always looking, he's looking at like how society has been breaking down and politics has driven this divide between us. And now people are, are willing to do violence. We saw a lot of that during like the, uh, the riots in 2020. We saw assassinations, we saw assassination attempts on, on presidents.

• 2:44:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:25Speaker 03

  And just look at Mexico. I think they assassinated, assassinated 23 of their own presidential.

• 2:44:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah. People running for president.

• 2:44:33Speaker 03

  Dude, that's insane. And that's just right there, you know?

• 2:44:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:44:37Speaker 03

  So this willingness to violence is really picking up steam. And you're seeing a lot of people like understand violence.

• 2:44:43Danny Jones?

  How does he think a civil war will play out in the U.S.?

• 2:44:46Speaker 03

  I think his idea would be like, it's not going to be like, everyone's, I think when he says it, people expect it to be like, we're going to march towards each other. It's gonna be like Grant, Lincoln. I think he sees like pockets of violence across the country. That will be ideological, right? And it'll be, you know, whatever camps, the left versus right, like that's a vague descriptor these days because they're all fractured.

• 2:45:11Speaker 03

  But I think, I think it's like a willingness for political violence. And I also think it'll be, in my opinion, I don't think, I don't know if he thinks this, but like in my opinion, a lot of it will be. Bolstered by the government, right? Like you think if you know Northwoods is possible, or at least they thought of it, then I will be skeptical of most things, right? And like, there was basically a civil war in Italy. You know about the years of lead? So in Italy, I want to say this is like from the sixties to the eighties. There was just insane, um, false flag operations against the opposing political sides, right? And so it was like real things, real violence, bombs, shootings, kidnappings.

• 2:45:53Speaker 03

  People died, but um, a lot of it was done as false flags from like the opposing side. You know, it's like what a Northwoods would have done, right? They're gonna blow up around people, shoot around people to convince them that we have to go to war with Cuba.

• 2:46:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:07Speaker 03

  And that was Lemonser, right? The guy who brought that idea to Kennedy. Uh, and Kennedy fired. Lemonser's next job was NATO. And a lot of people say NATO might have had a hand in the false flag operations during the years of lead in Italy. Which are very similar to what he proposed with Northwoods.

• 2:46:24Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:46:25Speaker 03

  So like, you know, I, I, I think a lot of things are possible, knowing that if we're moving towards violence and the people in charge, I think it's beyond bipartisan. Like it's not just like a right versus left thing. I think there's like a, a uniparty for lack of a better word. And they are deeply entrenched and it's the bureaucratic state that's been there forever. Right? That has a lot of power. It's with these talking heads, these figureheads, they come and go. Right? You get voted in and out and then you get a book deal or a job at CNN or whatever. Or Newsmax, you know? But like, these people who were there for so long, they want that power, they want the power over us. They love the stuff like Palantir and Clearview. And uh, they totally have this idea, the idea of false flags at their disposal. So if we're moving towards some type of sustained violence in this country against one another,

• 2:47:10Speaker 03

  like a civil war, but with more fragmented, you know, pockets of the country, like the years of lead in Italy. It does, it does seem like it's possible and I'm just basing that off what I saw during the 2020 summer riots, you know?

• 2:47:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:26Speaker 03

  You're seeing cities burn, you're seeing politicians donate money to bail out arsonists like Kamala, you know, like she had people, staff donating money to arsonists to get out of jail. And like, in my opinion, I see a lot of this is, this violence is terrorism, domestic terrorism being born out of the universities, like, because they're, they're like ideological death camps that produce a lot of mental illness, you know? It sucked being a part of that university, the college war for so long and you're totally powerless, like you can do your best, I want to just teach kids things, like how to read, you know, how to write, have good skills, but then you're watching professors all around you being like Marxism. So, so like, when I'm saying it's come out of the universities, I'm saying like, this

• 2:48:10Speaker 03

  is the line I see in my mind from, to war now as we see it, or like the, the pockets of real domestic terrorism during 2020. The Weather Underground, domestic terrorists, Marxists from like the 60s and 70s, they, I don't think they killed a lot of people, but they killed some, I think they killed themselves by accident, they were building bombs and stuff. They were Marxists, they, they believed in, we should destroy this system and a lot of them became fugitives and a lot of them went to jail. And then Bill Clinton pardoned, went on his last day in office, straight up domestic terrorist, Susan Rosenberg, and then my old genocidal maniac governor Cuomo pardoned, Weather Underground person on his last day in office. And you'll see like a bunch of them have were let out and what do they end up doing?

• 2:48:54Speaker 03

  I forget that one guy's name who was pardoned early on with Clinton as well, Bill something. They all become professors, you know, and they all start to infiltrate the universities. Cause that then goes in hand in hand with what Yuri Beznov was saying about taking care, you know, the, how you ideologically subvert this society?

• 2:49:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:10Speaker 03

  Oh, this country has said you need to go to college, we're going to take that over and totally destroy your brains now and turn you into soldiers for us. So I see a lot of the issues, a lot of the violence, a lot of people, the nihilism being born out of the universities and then to connect that to the summer of what they call the summer of love. Act Blue was funneling a lot of that money to the organizations on the ground doing the protesting. Act Blue was part of Thousand Currents. Thousand Currents was on the board with Susan Rosenberg. So it's like a domestic terrorist who's been pardoned, working with laundering money to today's domestic terrorists. And they both had, and the BLM, those two women said they were Marxists.

• 2:49:51Speaker 03

  So it's like a very clear line in my mind of domestic terrorism and war and against the American people, you know? So I don't know how you fight that, you know, because I don't want to censor those ideas, you know? That's some people would say, well, we just get rid of them, exile them. I don't think that's the way to do it because evil will always come back. It's always going to pop back up. It's going to have to teach like the kids how to have a better foundation and how to counter that in there as they grow up. And hopefully not with a surveillance state, but that'll be there too. Because there's no escaping it. But yeah, I don't know. That's, I guess the way Tim would see it in terms of fragmented civil war. I guess I feel like we've been, the government's been at war with the American people for decades.

• 2:50:35Speaker 03

  I think we've been like an invisible war, like a war on our reality, a war on our brains. I think like the technocracy has probably already been in place, you know, in many ways. Like people argued, like, like I think I said, FDR was kind of like, that was like a soft technocracy, but like, you know, we started to talk about JFK at the beginning of the episode. That's a very symbolic day that he died, obviously. That he died is a very symbolic day.

• 2:51:00Speaker 03

  But it's interesting in my mind, like symbolically, because two other people died that day, who were also very opposed to the technological state, and that's Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave New World. Who although he was a eugenicist, eugenicist, you know, Brave New World is kind of like a cautionary tale of this insane world. And C.S. Lewis also died that day, same day. And he wrote one of the greatest essays, yeah, right? He wrote one of the greatest essays on the fears of this technological state called the, what is it? Willing slaves of the welfare state.

• 2:51:35Speaker 03

  Two writers I really look up to, but it's just very interesting, you know, that. JFK and you know, I think he was taken out by the military industrial complex. Whatever that is in your mind. So I think like, there's been a war on the American people since definitely that day. Outwardly so, probably started, you could say you go back to Woodrow Wilson and all his stuff and say it started then too, for sure. But I think it accelerated that day and it never stopped. And whatever's happening now is part of this like giant umbrella of war that our government's been waging against us. Forever. But I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic. I still have.

• 2:52:09Danny Jones?

  We're gonna have to move to the Amazon.

• 2:52:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:52:12Speaker 03

  I might not be safe there either.

• 2:52:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:14Speaker 03

  They're taking over everywhere. They're cutting down the trees, but no, I, despite all the darkness in the world, I still have like hope for the future.

• 2:52:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:21Speaker 03

  You know, I have hope for the kids and you know, I don't think it's. It's inescapable, but it's just, you know, life moves on no matter what. It'll be, we'll be fine, you know?

• 2:52:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:32Speaker 03

  They just might read your thoughts.

• 2:52:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:52:34Speaker 03

  So you just have to train yourself better at thinking.

• 2:52:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, sleep tight. Shane Cashman, thanks, brother.

• 2:52:40Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 2:52:40Danny Jones?

  This was fucking fascinating conversation. Tell people where they can find your shit, where they can read your work, your podcast, all that.

• 2:52:46Speaker 03

  Awesome. Dude, it was a pleasure.

• 2:52:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:48Speaker 03

  Awesome to be in the studio. I've watched so many shows.

• 2:52:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is, you're one of the last podcasts in the studio. We're getting ready to move. Yeah.

• 2:52:53Speaker 03

  The new studio looks amazing.

• 2:52:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:52:55Speaker 03

  Those pictures are crazy.

• 2:52:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:57Speaker 03

  That's awesome. But yeah, dude, it's so awesome to be here and talk. I love it. You can find me online at Shane Cashman, all the, all the places. And the show's Inverted World Live, that's every Sunday at 6pm Eastern Time on YouTube and on Peter Thiel's Rumble. And yeah, and that's, that's about it. All my books are at shencashman.com.

• 2:53:14Danny Jones?

  Oh, hell yeah. Cool, man. I'll link it all below.

• 2:53:16Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 2:53:16Danny Jones?

  All right, man. Good night, everybody.

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