Scott Van Pelt on Favorite ESPN Stories, Calling the Masters, Torpedo Bats and New Nieces | EP 132

92%ers welcome back to another episode of New Heights! Today we are joined by Maryland’s finest, an ESPN legend, and Jason’s friend from work, Scott Van Pelt! Before we get to the conversation with SVP, Jason and Travis weigh in on the MLB phenomenon that is the ‘Torpedo Bat, ’ debate the NFL’s ongoing drama around banning the ‘Tush Push,’ look at some insane Travis look-a-likes spotted in the wild, and introduce the newest Kelce to podcasting. Later, Scott Van Pelt joins the show to discuss Maryland’s coaching search, what it was really like working with Jason on Monday Night Countdown, what he felt on his first day at ESPN, the secret the calling The Masters, the incredible definition of the phrase “leaves in the gutter,” and so much more! Finally, the guys lose it trying to answer a not dumb question about detachable body parts and we check in on the New Heights bracket challenge. For even more New Heights, check out our New Heights YouTube Membership! As a member, you'll get access to full episodes, bonus videos, badges, and other stuff that will make you stand out. You can also listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights Support the Show: THE LAST OF US: The Emmy-winning HBO Original series The Last of Us premieres Sunday, April 13th on Max, and listen to the official The Last of Us podcast wherever you get your podcasts. AMERICAN EXPRESS:For full terms and to learn more about the powerful backing of American Express, visit https://americanexpress.com/withAmex ACCELERATOR: Click the link below to get a case of the Kelce Brothers’ favorite energy drink! https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/FB06B38E-F0C2-479F-9DA5-FD4A1C852B07?channel=NewHeights2025M THE FARMER’S DOG: Get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food at https://TheFarmersDog.com/newheights https://thefarmersdog.com/newheights. Plus, you get FREE shipping! ALL STATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com https://allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds. TURBO TAX: Now This is Taxes. Brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. https://turbotax.intuit.com https://turbotax.intuit.com// PERPLEXITY: Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity today. https://www.perplexity.ai/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:29Speaker 02

  The wrongs we must right. The fights we must win. The future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 1:49Speaker 03

  Let me call a golf shot real quick.

• 1:51Speaker 04

  All right, here we go. Oh, this is awesome.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  To 14. Oh, that was good. That's it!

• 2:01Speaker 04

  Travis, give us your best to 14 right now.

• 2:03Travis Kelce?

  All right, now here we go now over to 14.

• 2:05Speaker 04

  I'm changing the channel if somebody gives me a 14 call like that immediately.

• 2:11Speaker 03

  That was poor. That was poor to bad is what that was.

• 2:20Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls to New Heights. A Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us. Season two premieres April 13th on Max.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Looking forward to that.

• 2:34Travis Kelce?

  We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce and my big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alums and yeah, subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  We got another great episode for you guys. We're going to break down everything that's happening in the NFL owners meetings. We've also got some huge baseball news, huge barrels. Some we call torpedoes coming up. We also have a, have an incredible conversation with my co, well, with my coworker and host of Monday Night Countdown, Scott Van Pelt.

• 3:11Travis Kelce?

  SVP.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Maryland's finest, SVP, coming on the show. You're not going to want to miss that. He brings it as always.

• 3:17Travis Kelce?

  Has, oh, he just has so many good stories and he's such a storyteller.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  The best.

• 3:23Travis Kelce?

  Pro's pro.

• 3:23Speaker 04

  All right, well, let's start with, uh, with the baseball news.

• 3:28Travis Kelce?

  Let's start with a little.

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, of course. New news, new news. Brought to you by American Express.

• 3:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Shout out to American Express and, uh, yeah, the Yankees, the Yankees have been doing a little research and development into what can make a baseball bat better. And they have introduced the torpedo bat to the world. That's right.

• 3:53Travis Kelce?

  That's correct.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  First of all, love the name. I mean, that's a great name for anything. Torpedo bat thing sounds lethal.

• 4:00Travis Kelce?

  It sounds like, it sounds like a Nerf bat that we had when we were kids.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  It does sound like a toy. It is definitely sounds like something that would be really marketable to children.

• 4:08Travis Kelce?

  It sounds something you tell your kids and they're like, I want it.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  I would buy it immediately. Well. Kevin Smith at KJS underscore four. Yes, the Yankees have a literal genius MIT physicist, Lenny. Uh, I mean, I don't know any physicist that goes by Lenny.

• 4:25Travis Kelce?

  One person.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  Sure. Lenny, um, on payroll, he invented the torpedo barrel. It brings more wood en masse to where you most often make contact as a hitter. The idea is to increase the number of barrels and increase and decrease misses. Yeah, we have a nice little picture of this to demonstrate how much bigger that sweet spot and how much further down the bat it has moved. I'm really intrigued about it. I mean, obviously they jumped out to some pretty crazy success.

• 4:56Travis Kelce?

  It's are all of them. I don't think all of them are using this bat.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  I don't think, although I don't think, uh, the, the main one, uh, Judge, he's not using it. But the guys that did use it, I think had a number of home runs this last week, if I'm not mistaken. 15 home runs to be exact. Well, I guess it's just Yankees. So which one of the Yankees are using them?

• 5:14Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm saying. I don't know if.

• 5:16Speaker 04

  We don't have that information.

• 5:18Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we don't. I don't think we have that. I'm not sure. I think they were playing the Brewers and they were smoking the Brewers. I think that's what happened.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. Which apparently according to baseball experts, not that hard to smoke the Brewers. A lot of Brewer hate going on these days, but.

• 5:33Travis Kelce?

  There is a lot of Brewer hate. It's unfortunate.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  I'm intrigued by it though. I mean, the science adds up. I mean, Lenny, Dr. Lenny might be on to something. We'll, we'll see what's in the future for the torpedo bat. Ongoing investigation. It is a legal bat that does adhere to the parameters of Major League Baseball. And what is he determined to be a legal bat? I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out.

• 5:57Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I would love to see a list of the guys using it versus the guys that aren't. And, uh, maybe like a spreadsheet of how they did last year versus this year.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  All right, Jake, uh, we're going to put task that with you.

• 6:08Travis Kelce?

  Good luck Jake.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  I feel like you'd be able to figure that information out.

• 6:12Travis Kelce?

  Could you imagine Barry Bonds with a torpedo bat?

• 6:15Speaker 04

  I mean, we don't even know if it's good yet or not. But yeah, I mean, I think the bat Barry uses was fine.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  What's better? Regular bat with copious amounts of steroids or no steroids and a torpedo bat? I'm taking steroids.

• 6:30Travis Kelce?

  See, these are the answers. Lenny, you're an MIT guy.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Dr. Lenny, we want the.

• 6:38Travis Kelce?

  Could you figure this one out?

• 6:39Speaker 04

  What's a bigger advantage? Annaball, I don't even know what a real steroids name is like.

• 6:45Travis Kelce?

  The torpedo.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  I just missed opening day at the park. I might have to catch, I mean, listen, we just had a baby. Yeah. Are you trying to show the niece? Do you want to show? You want to see your new niece?

• 7:02Travis Kelce?

  Yes, I want to see my new niece. Jason, you only sent one picture.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  Come on, Kai.

• 7:07Travis Kelce?

  You didn't even tell me what baby you picked yet.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Ooh, look at that.

• 7:20Travis Kelce?

  Hey, little muffin. Look at you. He's hanging out with mom. Tell Kai I said hello. I'm glad everything went great.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Travis says, hi.

• 7:31Speaker 06

  Hi, Travis. I gotta go next to him.

• 7:36Travis Kelce?

  Hey, Kai. Jason hasn't told me if you guys picked a name yet. Are you, is this still a nameless baby?

• 7:43Speaker 06

  No, she has a name. We had to fill out a birth certificate paperwork.

• 7:46Travis Kelce?

  I think that, I thought that's how that worked.

• 7:48Speaker 06

  Well, you can technically leave without it, but we wouldn't remember to fill out the fucking paperwork after that, so. We have to do it when we, when we know. Is that a beer bat?

• 8:00Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. That's all we're focused on too.

• 8:02Speaker 06

  That's impressive.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Isn't it cool? They might sell them.

• 8:05Travis Kelce?

  And you're impressive, Kai.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  Thanks, Trav.

• 8:07Travis Kelce?

  You're impressive.

• 8:08Speaker 06

  It's really, wouldn't, wouldn't have been possible without your brother, you know?

• 8:12Travis Kelce?

  Is this Finny?

• 8:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, Finn.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Finly and Kelsey. We're calling her Finn.

• 8:17Travis Kelce?

  Finn and.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  Jason refused to let me just go Finn, so.

• 8:24Speaker 06

  I'm dead ass.

• 8:24Travis Kelce?

  I love it.

• 8:25Speaker 04

  Should we ask Finn a question? Finn, Finn, come here.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  She said sneeze.

• 8:31Speaker 04

  All right, go ahead. What do you want to ask?

• 8:33Travis Kelce?

  Hey Finn.

• 8:34Speaker 06

  That's so mean.

• 8:36Travis Kelce?

  Finn, you just look adorable. I don't even have anything to say to you. You happy to be out? Huh?

• 8:42Speaker 04

  How was, how was Kylie's uterus?

• 8:46Speaker 06

  Too comfy. That's why we had Victor.

• 8:49Travis Kelce?

  Get this guy out of here.

• 8:50Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 8:51Travis Kelce?

  I'm sorry, your father's a weirdo.

• 8:53Speaker 06

  All right, we're going next door to record.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  All right. Enjoy. Love you.

• 8:57Speaker 06

  Love you.

• 8:58Travis Kelce?

  That was lovely. Thank you for that.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Oh, she said she wanted to stay and see Uncle Trav.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  Not gonna lie, listen, babies are awesome, but they don't do a whole lot for like the first six months.

• 9:13Travis Kelce?

  You would know. You have four of them.

• 9:15Speaker 04

  Really doesn't get that exciting until they start smiling and like giving you something. I mean, it's amazing. Watching a birth is still one of like the most crazy things that you can ever witness. And uh, there's a moment right when you see any baby, I feel like that's just like overwhelming.

• 9:32Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  So there's not, there's, there's a, just can't really do much. Right around the six month mark. That's when it's like Benny right now, Benny's right a little bit over two. She is a lot of fun. I mean, she is a spitfire, doesn't even know when she's being offensive. It's the best.

• 9:50Travis Kelce?

  I love it. I get up there. So I'll, all right, I'll see you in like six months.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Six months. Yeah, that'll be good. That's, that'll be good timing for you.

• 9:57Travis Kelce?

  Let's move on to some uh, football news.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  Football news.

• 10:00Travis Kelce?

  NFL owners meeting are happening in Florida right now. Florida. And of course, as we always talk about, um, the, the coach's photo, um, got revamped a little bit.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  They did this on like a stage.

• 10:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, they got a, they got some lighting.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Was it too hot to go outside?

• 10:20Travis Kelce?

  Everybody taking the photo like this?

• 10:23Travis Kelce?

  Because the light is, the sun is just burning their face off.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  I don't like this. They're taking this way too serious now.

• 10:30Travis Kelce?

  That's a lot of coaches.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  It's like professional grade. All right. Oh, there was a storm. There we go. I gotta keep reading. So it was raining. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Good choice, guys. Good choice. Good choice.

• 10:40Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 10:41Speaker 04

  All right. So instead of naming all the coaches this year, we are going to be tasked with naming the one coach missing.

• 10:48Travis Kelce?

  The one coach missing.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  All right. Who is missing from this photo? I feel like we're playing like Where's Waldo? All right. So I guess I'll start. How do you, how do you want to do this? Do you want to do conferences?

• 10:59Travis Kelce?

  I think whoever gets it first wins. That's all I, that's all I know.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Name people as you're seeing them. It's just dead silence.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  We got the NFC East. We got Dayball, Sirianni, Dan Quinn.

• 11:13Travis Kelce?

  AFC West is there.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Schottenheimer's there.

• 11:20Travis Kelce?

  Gosh, this is, this is, this is the hardest thing.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Dude, who is this guy? I have no idea who that guy is. Sorry.

• 11:29Speaker 04

  Duval's there.

• 11:31Travis Kelce?

  Is he?

• 11:32Speaker 04

  Taylor's there. Miko's there.

• 11:35Travis Kelce?

  Gosh dang it.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Todd. God, Raebz.

• 11:39Travis Kelce?

  I don't know who's in Seattle now.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Who the fuck is this guy? Shanahan's there. I don't, man, every year I feel like there's another guy added that I'm just like, I don't remember.

• 11:50Travis Kelce?

  Who's this Seattle coach now?

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Uh, McDonald. He's upper left. It's next to Dayball. I think I might know who it is. Nope, there he is. Fuck. And we're positive there's somebody missing.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  There's one coach not there. Could not make it due to the storm.

• 12:05Travis Kelce?

  Storm?

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Due to the storm. Was that a hint?

• 12:08Speaker 03

  No, that was, that was just the weather. That was just the weather.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  So this was in Florida.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  No, I'm not that clever.

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Are all the Florida coaches here? Yes. Atlanta, who's, god damn it, who's Aaron Glenn coaching for now?

• 12:23Speaker 03

  Aaron Glenn is coaching the Jets.

• 12:25Speaker 04

  Who's, who's Atlanta's head coach?

• 12:29Travis Kelce?

  You should know this, Jason.

• 12:30Speaker 03

  You're so cool. Jason, come on.

• 12:32Travis Kelce?

  To be fair, I don't know anybody in that division.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, Rahimah Morris.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  There it is.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  You won.

• 12:42Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, that was tough.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  Maybe the most pointless game we've ever played. Congrats, Jason. What a big, what a big weekend for you. New baby.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Winner of Guess the Coach game.

• 12:54Travis Kelce?

  The NFL Competition Committee met to vote on banning the Tush push, but discussions were tabled. That's right. It may be. Yeah, it may be discussed again in the May meeting that they have as a committee and could be pushed forward once more to support.

• 13:13Travis Kelce?

  The more that is gathered. So what are your thoughts, Jason?

• 13:16Speaker 04

  I get it. I get why certain teams want to ban it for competitive reasons. I get why some people think that it's potentially unsafe. I think optically it looks unsafe.

• 13:28Travis Kelce?

  It's football, man.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  For me personally, I never felt like there's that much of more of a risk of injuring somebody on the play. And I don't think there's any statistics to back that up. So anybody saying that it's going to lead to more injuries is pure conjecture, not rooted in fact. I think the only argument I see for potentially banning it is, is there a competitive advantage? Is it unfair that players can push and should be allowed players to push rather than ball carriers or anybody to have to do things on their own? But, you know, I think that that's going to be a hard rule to enforce. Like, when is that enforced? Like, are gang tackles outlawed? Are, you know, open field, like when

• 14:12Speaker 04

  Big Creed Humphrey gets behind a running back and he's pushing the pile forward? Do we not want that? Because I like that.

• 14:17Travis Kelce?

  No, because that's football.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it's, it's hard to know. Like, where do you, where do you stop? This from occurring, you can't just say like, hey, you can't do the tush push. That feels like a hard rule. Like it needs to be a rule that's enforceable throughout football. Although they do let defensive players push D lineman on the tush push. But they don't let that happen on field goal. They did outlaw that because that was leading to an increase of injury. So.

• 14:45Travis Kelce?

  Man, listen, there are four downs that a team gets to get a first down or get in the end zone. If the tush push is just one play that you run when you have a short guarded situation. Those may come up a handful of times throughout a game.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 15:00Travis Kelce?

  And it's like, you can't get upset at that one play. You know what I mean? It's like, I understand the whole, if you want to say it's not safe, football isn't a safe game to play. So I know we're trying to make it safer or whatever. It is what it is. I think it's a football type of play. It's a toughness play that you need to be in sync with the guys next to you and the guys around you. And that's on both sides of the ball. I don't think we, I don't think we need to be banning this or, or like you said, how far down the line does it go? Are players on the defense not allowed to hold guys up now? To try and have somebody come in and get a strip like that?

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:39Travis Kelce?

  At what point are we just going to let football be football?

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Just from like the health aspect is like people see people misusing my quotes, like the play sucks to run. But it sucks because of like an exertion, like an energy level. It takes so much to try and get a yard.

• 15:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  It's not a high impact collision. There's not, for the most part, people don't even get rolled up on because you're keeping your feet moving. It's not going to be a play, in my opinion, where you're going to see this huge increase in chance of risk of injury. It's just not. So I don't think it's really that dangerous from a health perspective. And I don't, listen, I've done no studies other than anecdotally what I've been through. But typically injuries happen when guys get rolled up on because they're locked out in blocks. Or there's a high impact collision that occurs and neither of those happens on a play like this. It's that's so tight quarters, it just ends up being like you're just pushing against each other.

• 16:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  You know, I get it. I mean, it's, it's a play that. Some people don't think represents football. I disagree. I think it represents football really well. Some people think it's more of a rugby play, but when we have like a guy who played regularly, Jordan Malata, he's like, it doesn't have anything to do with rugby. It's physicality, it's intensity. I think it perfectly represents football that I like, you know, but at this point, I mean, I'm tired of the back and forth with it. If you're gonna ban it, just ban it. It ends up being a topic every single year. Before the tush push was allowed and we started doing it, we just used to do regular quarterback sneaks. It was still a high rate. So I don't think it's gonna really change the Eagles' approach that much. They are gonna keep doing this because it is a higher percentage with the push, but it isn't that much more. Like,

• 17:13Speaker 04

  the Eagles just generally are good at quarterback sneak. That's why they execute this play at a high level. It's because they're good at that first. If they take this play out, I still think the Eagles would be really good at quarterback sneaks because I think Jeff Stoutland coaches it well, and I think they have good players to execute it. So I'm kind of over the back and forth of it. Do whatever you're gonna do with it. I think the health thing is kind of a bogus claim that people are using that just want to get it banned.

• 17:37Travis Kelce?

  I can see that for sure.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  The fairness and competitive fairness to the defensive side, I get the argument. I just don't know where you draw that line at. One of the quotes I saw was like, I'm most concerned for the center. I was like, yeah, I get it. I mean, it sucks. It is a grueling play because of the amount of exertion. It's less of like a grueling play of like being blindsided, like cold cocked, and it's more of a grueling play of like, you gotta take a shit and it just won't come out and you're just squeezing forever until that thing comes. That's what it's like. That's what's grueling about it. It's like,

• 18:20Speaker 04

  I mean, I think everybody's been there. That's more of the grueling nature behind it. The exertion that I'm talking about.

• 18:27Travis Kelce?

  I don't think I've ever done that, taking a shit, but I know, I get what you're saying, though.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Jeff Stoutland did it one time, and it was the funniest fucking thing I've ever seen a coach do. It was so funny. All right. One of my former teammates, good friends, and the last of the core four remaining with the Philadelphia Eagles, Lane Johnson, had this to say on Twitter, hate us because they ain't us. There we go. Talk your shit, playa.

• 18:51Travis Kelce?

  I know, playa.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  All right, that does it for. Little tush push of new news. New news is brought to you by American Express.

• 18:59Travis Kelce?

  Yes, yes, it is. And let's move on into some fan mentions of the week.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Some trap fan mentions.

• 19:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, this is, uh, this is pretty crazy. Um, yeah, there are, there are a few people that, um, that when I look at them, it's like, damn, that's, that's my cousin. This is one of them right here, um, from, uh, Sky Dog at, on, on X, uh, at New High Show at me. Travis, when did you start playing baseball? Well, I've been playing for a long, long time, but the Brewers, uh, Bryce to rang, hopefully I'm saying that correctly, Bryce. Um, yes, where there's some, there's gotta be some lineage, uh, down the line. He's got a little bit of the Jonas, uh, Valenchunas.

• 19:42Travis Kelce?

  Look to him too. Yeah. I think might some, there might be some Lithuanian in there.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  I mean, I see it. I see it a little bit, but I don't think it's like that.

• 19:49Travis Kelce?

  It's, I think it's more so just the, the red beard that he's got that, that as it grows out, mine gets like more red.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Okay. I'm gonna let you know what it is. Here's what happened. I've never done a 23 and me, but I can virtually guarantee. There is somebody in a lot of people's, like, you know, Genghis Khan? Have you ever heard of this? Like Genghis Khan? There's like a

• 20:09Travis Kelce?

  Heard about him.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  10% chance or something ridiculous that anybody is related to Genghis Khan. It's something absurd. Like this dude just like was banging women non-stop. Just being honest. I forget what the, Brandon, can we find that stat about people being related to Genghis Khan or having like Genghis Khan's genes? It's, it's absurd when you look into it.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  You don't know anything.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Stat? Can we get the Genghis Khan stat?

• 20:32Speaker 03

  I have the Genghis Khan. Quit yelling at me.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  I'm not yelling at you. You're yelling. Genghis Khan is estimated to have over 16 million male descendants alive today.

• 20:43Travis Kelce?

  That's crazy.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  How crazy is that? Approximately one in 200 men globally sharing his Y chromosome. Fuck, that's insane. 0.5% of the global population has Genghis Khan's Y chromosome.

• 20:58Travis Kelce?

  I want to see if I'm related to Genghis Khan.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  And I believe that goes up if you're of Mongolian descent. Historical accounts suggest he fathered many children, both thoughts, his marriage, both through his marriages and concubines. Sons, grandsons continued the trend, further spreading his genetic lineage. The claim that so many people are related to King is kind of supported by a 2003 genetic study, which identified a unique Y chromosome haplograph group, haplogroup, yeah, whatever that means. Okay, shared about 8% of men in regions once part of the Mongol Empire. These cons are getting after it, man.

• 21:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  So I think that there's somebody, there's somebody with one of these Y chromosomes in all the, all the basic white bearded guys that we kind of embody. I think that that is, there's some guy that just had a half red, half brown beard and was just running around with an axe up there, going through Europe.

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  Well, shout out to Bryce. And finally, he had to show some, had to show some Brewer love today. So shout out to Bryce. We also got this from the New Heights page of Reddit, from atom bomb 661. Interesting name, bud.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Dude.

• 22:19Travis Kelce?

  This church mural in my neighborhood looks oddly familiar. Why?

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Trent.

• 22:24Travis Kelce?

  I've never seen Jesus look like this.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  What? Like you?

• 22:28Travis Kelce?

  I've never seen this.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  How did they do this? Somebody painted this in your image. This is, looks like Travis Kelsey.

• 22:37Travis Kelce?

  No, it is not.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  If you had long wavy hair, this would be exactly what this picture would, would look like.

• 22:45Travis Kelce?

  You're hilarious.

• 22:46Speaker 04

  I love, so you're Jesus Christ?

• 22:48Travis Kelce?

  There's no way. This is, um, I've never seen Jesus, Jesus painted like this, though.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  Travis, would you ever do your hair like this? This is a good look. This is, this is like an 80s Travis Kelce right here.

• 22:58Travis Kelce?

  That is, that is like, that's like me if I was in the Bee Gees.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Well, I can tell you almost assuredly, someone who, dude, dude, dude, I, I don't want to gloss over that. The Bee Gees is such a good fucking reference. You look just like that one motherfucker. It's so good. That's great.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  All right, that does it for fan mentions.

• 23:24Speaker 07

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• 23:26Speaker 04

  Let's, let's, uh, let's see what SVP is talking about, huh? Maybe get this episode back on the rails.

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  Our guest today is from the University of Maryland. He is also the host of Monday Night Countdown, SportsCenter, and the SVP or SV Pod. He's an eight-time Sports Emmy nominee and the voice of the first two days of the Masters. Please welcome Mr. Scott Van Pelt. Yeah, baby.

• 27:03Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 27:03Travis Kelce?

  Welcome on, big guy. Thanks for doing this, man.

• 27:06Speaker 07

  Nice to be here.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  It also is a member of the 2023 Class of Montgomery County Sports Hall of Fame. What's that? What's Montgomery County Sports Hall of Fame?

• 27:13Speaker 07

  You know, we're an area where not a ton of people have made it to the big time as evidenced by the fact that they were like, who can we put in? Like Van Pelt? Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 07

  He threw like 75 when he was in high school. We don't have a ton of people from around here that have made it, but what makes it cool is the people that have that have made it to the league wherever. Those folks are a big deal and it was really, it was, it was an honor that they thought, this is all just a. Broadcasting piece of it and it was it's flattering. It was not for my sports.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Prowess?

• 27:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I was, you know, I was like the classic high school guy. I was a good basketball player. I was a good pitcher, but that was that was the extent of it.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  Were you better basketball or better pitcher?

• 27:56Speaker 07

  I'd say hoops before the age when people started red shirting their children in elementary school, I would have really benefited from one more year. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Like in the area where I'm at, like there's like 20 year old high school seniors that have been like held back a few years and then they end up getting

• 28:12Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 28:13Speaker 07

  Scholarships to go play lacrosse at an Ivy League and you're like, you know, there was a, there was a method to the madness, but I was, I was like a 17 year old high school senior. My nickname was Fungo. I was 6'4", 170. By my freshman year in Maryland, I'm 6'6", 205. Like I'd have been, I'd probably had a chance somewhere just because my, I was just physically completely different. You know what I mean? Whatever. I was a decent hoop player. So, I mean, at Maryland, like there were a bunch of people in like the intermural system that were like, could have played college somewhere, but just, you know, whatever. But I was, that's it. I was, you know, frustrated, thought I, when I was little, I thought I would be the guy people were talking about, but as it works out, I get to be the person talking about the people and that,

• 28:56Speaker 07

  that career lasts a hell of a lot longer, thankfully, as, as we sit here now.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  Much longer.

• 29:00Travis Kelce?

  You're one of the best, man. You're one of the best.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  One of the icons.

• 29:03Speaker 07

  I appreciate that.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Speaking of hoops, before we get into your heralded career as an analyst, we do got to ask, couple of days removed from the Terrapins exit in March Madness.

• 29:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  How are we feeling?

• 29:15Speaker 07

  It was a big bummer.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  They looked good. They were looking.

• 29:18Speaker 07

  Had a chance, but Florida's really good. And then the end coincided with the coach leaving and we talked about that on, on the pod, just because Kevin Willard went to go to Villanova, which is a great job. And I think totally get why that job would be appealing. It's just the way it ended. Like there's a way to go and it got, it got really sticky. And so the Maryland folks were, were really bummed about that. But the good news, the really good news in our household is my wife is a Gator. And it was, this was the coolest thing on SportsCenter. We had Coach Golden on in advance of it. And I'm like, look, I got a problem in my house. If Maryland plays Florida, my kids are just, they're really stuck because they love the Gators and they love the Terps. What do

• 30:01Speaker 07

  I do? And he had this great answer about being a supportive husband and tell them that it's, you know, you support mom and you're just going to be happy for the Gators. And if Maryland loses, it's fine, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, that's a bullshit. That's wrong.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  That's not true.

• 30:14Speaker 07

  What you just said.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  You're telling me to lie to my kids.

• 30:16Speaker 07

  Right. It was a great answer. It was a great answer, but it was wrong. And then we had just gone on a trip. We come home and the Gators, they sent a box, fellas. And I believe that my name, image and likeness of my children belongs to the Gators because they got more swag from Gainesville than they knew what to do with. And so I believe that the combination of Florida winning that game and the swag that was sent from, uh, from down in Gainesville to my kiddos, I believe they belong to the Gators. So that's, we're all good, man. It was, it was a fun run. The end got real bumpy and, uh,

• 30:48Travis Kelce?

  That's how the SEC gets you. That's how they gift boxes.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  So you're telling me Charlie can be bought. Charlie can be bought?

• 30:55Speaker 07

  Oh, hell yeah. Bro, he had on, he had on a Gator headband. He's like, Dad, look at this, man. I'm like, you want to go to the closet? We got plenty of Terps gear, but the Gators represented in a SEC level, Trav. You called it, man. They do it different down there.

• 31:12Travis Kelce?

  They do it different, man. It just is what it is. That's why they thrive. Yeah. Shout out to the Terps. Hopefully you guys can get it back to the old, uh, the Juan Dixon days, man. Back when, back in 02, when, uh, the Terps were on top, baby.

• 31:24Speaker 07

  My man.

• 31:25Travis Kelce?

  Let's, uh, let's move this topic to what really a lot of the fans want to know about on this show. And I, and I desperately want to know more, but how was it working with Jason on live television?

• 31:35Speaker 07

  Oh. Well, uh, we started off with a bang. Uh, I believe the first on camera, he said his tits were out.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Something like that. It was, it was either first or second. Yeah. It was that first show.

• 31:47Speaker 07

  It was early. Just bust it out.

• 31:49Travis Kelce?

  Forgot to pack his clothes. Talked about his tits within the first five minutes. It was glorious.

• 31:53Speaker 07

  Just set the, set the expectation. I think in life, most of life is managing expectations. No, listen, it was, I'm interested in, in his perspective because, you know, when, when, it was right around now, last, it was last spring when you had made the, you know, official decision that you were going to head into our world on the TV side. And, you know, you were coveted by everybody and. I mean, I've sort of shared this backstory. I reached out and I was like, look, man, I appreciate your space. I'm not trying to get in it and try to bother you, but I also wanted to represent that I knew ESPN was interested in having your brother and whatever capacity it was going to be. And so I tried to be as honest as I could about what I thought our place

• 32:36Speaker 07

  was. And now he comes in. And the thing about the business is there's a million things about, this is where I'm going to talk about you, Jay, like you're not there. Okay.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 32:47Speaker 07

  Like, there's a million things about your brother that make him perfect for, they can keep the cans on, perfect for TV, but you still, there's a process of learning the mechanics of TV that it's not innate. He's innately entertaining and engaging and people love him, but learning how to, okay, when's it my turn? And what I would try to tell him is, look, man, your mic's always on. You don't need me to ask you to go. When you're ready to go, go. But there's a couple of guys in swag and RC that we have a built in kind of chemistry. We know how it goes and swag can get going on a tangent and like you just got to let him go. And so it's a challenge when it's four people that are talking to figure out, you know, how to get in where you fit in. And it was a blast because

• 33:32Speaker 07

  the things about, you know, the stories and what's genuine about him, what's authentic about him is all right in front of you. And then seeing it get better and better where you're like, okay, you can tell that he's more comfortable. And by the way, you're more comfortable by the end of the year than you are at the beginning, obviously. And he'll get only more and more comfortable as time goes on. So I had a blast. We blew out a port. My guy Dump blew his ACL out week two in Philadelphia.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  MCL, ACL's intact. ACL's intact. It's MCL.

• 34:00Speaker 07

  We were sure that his knee, ACL, PCL, MCL, all blown out. Somehow they were intact. No, we had fun. And I mean, it's, but it's a, the TV piece is, it's a different kind of grind, man. You don't got to get a Toradol to be on, but you're on planes and, you know, you're trying to figure out how to, to bring entertainment to the masses. But again, what he's innately great at, you can't learn how to do. And so we were, we were thrilled with it all. I just, I'm curious what, what your assessment of it was.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Man, it was, it was a lot to learn and take in. I think. It's so much different. Obviously, we have this podcast, Trav, but live TV is so much different. We cut so much of this stuff out and have so much leeway to just say whatever we want.

• 34:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  When you're on live TV, you got to be concise, to the point. You gotta make space for people to talk and have a conversation. And part of it is getting to know everybody. Like, that's a huge part of it. I really feel like after the first year is just like having a knack for, you know, what the other person likes to hear, what gets them revved up, how to like, throw things back and forth. And for me, I just was trying to learn as much. I mean, I reached out to Scott early on. We went golfing. You're trying to get a lay of the land. Like, you know, what do I expect? How do I prepare? And I'm still learning all that. Like, I watched more football this year than I've watched legitimately in my 13 years playing.

• 35:22Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  In terms of league-wide.

• 35:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 35:26Travis Kelce?

  You're focused on your own team when you're in the building, but you got to know everything.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  It's like your team and the team you're playing, and you're getting really hyper-focused on those. And I still like watching the game in that hyper-focused, game-plan-oriented focus. It's not feasible to do that really in the same way, in the same depth, when you're trying to watch all 17 games that happen within.

• 35:51Speaker 07

  You can't watch the all 22 of every game by the time you get to the Monday, because we're not going to break. Although, like, we're not going to break down all of it, but if there's something, because what we try to do is talk ball. And Trav, you've been kind about that, that like, what's the role of a show? And I think if you can educate and entertain, I mean, everyone's going to say some version of that. But I think that's really the core of what we're trying to do. And I think, like, what we had Jason do is break stuff down. Like, you don't want to limit it to just tackle to tackle, but I think you can help people understand why something works, why a team's really good at it. And I thought that was, I thought that you brought a lot of that to the table and the personality as well. But it's interesting to hear you talk about it, because it's probably not unlike learning a teammate, right?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 36:32Speaker 07

  If you've got, you know, a guard to your left that you know is really good at this, but maybe not as good at that, you got to figure out how to help him be good at the thing he's not as good at. And that's really what the, what the TV piece is about, like just figuring out how to make, put everybody, my job, try to put everybody in the best lane to do what they're great at even better. You know what I mean?

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 36:52Speaker 07

  It's, I don't know, it's, we, we had a blast doing it for sure. Cause it's, it's big, man. Monday night football, I mean, it's a, it feels like a thing.

• 37:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 37:03Speaker 07

  And you hear that thing in your, in your ear and like, I mean, you guys lived it where you were the guys in the arena. I, I wasn't, but for me, Monday night football is you're watching back in the day, Howard Cosell, whatever. There was nothing bigger than that. And like, you hear that music and you're the one sitting there. You're going to talk and you're like, you know, this is an event, man. It's, it's, it's a blast.

• 37:21Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  We grew up, it was, it was the pinnacle of football growing up. It's still right there. We're in the league, guys are looking forward to like, man, we're playing on Monday night this week. You better get ready, boys. Primetime, everybody's watching, right?

• 37:34Travis Kelce?

  Not everybody gets to play on Monday night.

• 37:36Speaker 07

  That's true.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  One of the things I really just, I consider myself really lucky is not only was I with you, Scott, I was with Swag. I was with Ryan, RC, everybody was more than willing to help. And just like a teammate, they were the veterans. And I could tell like, you know, we're on the middle of the desk, we're in the middle of the show and Ryan's like, yeah, what do you think about that? Like, he's like, all right, it's your turn to talk idiot, like get going here. I'm like, all right, I got you. So it's, I don't know, it's, it was really fun looking back and seeing how everything evolved over the course of the year. How much closer everything got and looking forward to this next year for sure. I think it's going to be awesome.

• 38:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, for sure. SVP, how did, how did you get into the Monday night countdown stuff? Was it always, cause you were originally just like, I think it was 2001, you started with ESPN doing SportsCenter. And how did you gravitate? Like you said, you're a hoops guy. How did they get to the NFL, biggest stage on the NFL?

• 38:32Speaker 07

  I think the one thing that has happened for me, Travis, throughout my career, and I'm grateful, grateful, grateful, grateful. Is I have never been a guy that was playing chess. I was never planning three or four moves ahead. I didn't have my eye on anything as much as my eye on right now. I think I've been really good at that, being present in my present, appreciative of this moment. Try to be as good as I can be at what I do and trust that if you do that, then you'll get another shot at, at it tomorrow in some other role. I've told the story before, but it's true. I have a, um, I have a Post-it note that's in a little

• 39:14Speaker 07

  window box frame that sits on my desk and it says, I will never work at ESPN. And when I was at the golf channel, which is where I started way back in the day, uh, I had a producer that's like, no, I mean, you're going to go to ESPN someday. I said, man, I'll never work at ESPN. He said, oh, really? He wrote it down. I signed it and he said, I'll bet you a hundred bucks. I said, fine. I saved it because it was a great reminder, even to this day to me. Don't say the thing you won't do, right? Because look at me, it's damn near 30 years, uh, well, no, it's 25 years of me being at ESPN. And I came there to be one thing and then I moved up there and then I started doing SportsCenter and then I worked with some of the all time greats.

• 39:57Speaker 07

  You know, the late great Stuart Scott, who, you know, we do the show and he'd say Stuart Scott Van Pelt, which was this really cool thing he did where he made us a team and he made me his equal. And he was a star who was willing to share his shine with me because he wanted us, like you were just talking about Jay, to be great together, right?

• 40:15Travis Kelce?

  So cool.

• 40:16Speaker 07

  And I did that. And then I started to do radio and I was like, holy shit, this is so difficult to do radio. I, I thought it would be easy and I learned how hard that was. And then I took a little bite of the apple with game day. I spent a year doing college game day. And I guess what I'm saying is that I just kept trying things that were put in front of me. And then around 10 years ago, they said, we want you to do your own version of SportsCenter, uh, which no one had ever done before. And that was obviously a lot of fun. It was a huge challenge, but it was fun. But there's nothing at our place that's bigger than the NFL. And so when, when they asked me, hey, is this something you would consider doing? I'm like, absolutely. It's the NFL. There's nothing bigger. We want you to go to the games. I'm, I'm in.

• 40:58Speaker 07

  And so it wasn't anything that I, I guess this is a long winded answer of saying I didn't pursue it. But the, the way the path goes, there's things that, that are sometimes, uh, pop up or the, the opportunity arises. And when it did, I was, I was up for it. And I did it for one year and then last year was when your, when your brother joined. And so it's only been a couple of years, but I looked at it like the, there is nothing bigger than that night. And if there's something that has to do with college football down the road, I don't know what it would be, but I mean, I went to the national championship game this year and we did our show from there. I just think being at the biggest events, covering the biggest events, being in the arena, nothing substitutes the juice you feel when you're

• 41:38Speaker 07

  there and you feel a connectedness to the fans and the moment. That's my favorite and being face to face like you and I this year, Travis, like what game was it? Maybe it was the Saints. I can't recall, but you came out and you, it might've been a playoff game. You came out and you were with me after afterwards, might've been Houston. It's like it all kind of becomes a blur, but when you're face to face like with Ryan Day and Will Howard after they win the national championship, the conversations you have, the intimacy of that moment, man. Coach Tomlin said it the other day at the coaches meeting, there's no substitute for intimacy. That man has a great way of saying just one sentence better than I'm saying all of this. I love that being face to face with the people that have just been in those moments.

• 42:18Travis Kelce?

  So cool, man. Well, I met you on the biggest stage back in, I think, 2016, maybe? It was 14, 15, 16 at the national championship. I see that the man himself, SVP, the guy that drove our, we talk about this all the time on here, that those ESPN Sports Center days growing up with, you know, Stuart Scott, yourself, Rich Eisen, Steve Leedy, the whole gang. It was just so much, you guys drove our love for sports.

• 42:49Speaker 07

  It's so cool to hear, you know?

• 42:51Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I'm telling you, I loved every single sport because, and it was the only channel that I went to. Jason, he would go to, he would watch Dragon Ball Z. I would go straight to ESPN.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Cartoon Network sometimes, Cartoon Network. Dad would have Law and Order on every once in a while. We'd have to back him to turn it off.

• 43:07Travis Kelce?

  But no, I saw you at the, the national championship, Ohio State versus Oregon. And I was at, in Dallas. I was, I was kind of in that underground bar area and it was when you had just started doing bad beats and you came up and you, and you, you were the nicest guy in the world. I'm shaking because I'm actually meeting the man himself and you were just so cool, so calm and. And we're talking about how you I opened the the bad beats.

• 43:35Speaker 07

  That's a legendary moment, by the way.

• 43:37Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 43:37Speaker 07

  Belt bowl is all time, all time. And that that montage is some of the legendary moments in in the gambling history where something went completely sideways. But the belt bowl against Duke and you're right there in the middle of it because you take it to the take it to the house and then it went sideways, but you're in there. That'll never change. We may change certain things in that montage. Belt bowl will never not be in the bad.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, baby.

• 44:04Travis Kelce?

  I'm honored. I'm honored forever, man.

• 44:06Speaker 07

  You've you've done okay since then. You're going. You're gonna have a gold jacket like your brother someday. It's gonna be all right. You you've you've elevated beyond being in the bad beats montage.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  If only I wouldn't have lost the the helmet right after he scored that touchdown.

• 44:18Travis Kelce?

  That helmet that I scored with.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  Immediately after he scores that touchdown, Scott, I'm in the students. I'm like, I'm in the end zone stance. He runs over and gives me his helmet and tells me, don't give this to anybody. We're partying afterwards at the bar. I'm letting everybody wear it. I look back. It's gone.

• 44:36Speaker 07

  So wait, wait.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 07

  Wait, you go out and get wrecked after the belt bowl, lost your brother's helmet?

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a bad story. It's not a great story. We we can laugh about it now, but yeah, it's it was not.

• 44:46Speaker 07

  No, it's an incredible story.

• 44:48Travis Kelce?

  It's made its way back.

• 44:49Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 44:50Travis Kelce?

  The university wasn't allowing me to. They told me if I didn't pay all my parking tickets on campus that I couldn't have the I couldn't have the helmet because there was like the bowl game helmet. It was like the special helmet. The seniors got to keep their bowl game helmet.

• 45:03Speaker 07

  So so wait, but so the but it made its way back to you.

• 45:06Travis Kelce?

  It made its way. It's.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Did it?

• 45:08Travis Kelce?

  It we found it.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  We do know where it's at.

• 45:10Travis Kelce?

  Somebody somebody came out and said.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Like a year ago or two years ago.

• 45:14Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it had like a sticker, like a circle sticker of 18 on it. Like this has got to be his.

• 45:19Speaker 07

  That's incredible. I was just picturing like some guy in like Lima, Ohio, in his living room and that helmet just watching games in the dark. Wearing the belt bowl helmet that was Travis Kelce's.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  He was doing it for a good decade. We just got it back last year.

• 45:33Speaker 07

  Oh, that's beautiful. The universe, the universe bends to the Kelce brothers.

• 45:39Travis Kelce?

  All we needed was this show to tell the story. No, but I remember that day like it was yesterday, meeting your big guy. It was, uh, it, it made me feel like, ah, man, I want to be that cool of a dude doing that to, to somebody that may have looked up to me at some point in football, man. You were just so, so down to earth and so like welcoming and stuff, man. It was, it was just awesome, man. So.

• 46:01Speaker 07

  I appreciate that.

• 46:02Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate that, dude.

• 46:03Speaker 07

  Well, likewise, I've, I've said this quite a bit about like, my dad had this line that I recite often. Treat, treat normal people like superstars, treat superstars like normal people. And, and just a quick story about a guy that was a legend in broadcasting named Dick Enberg, who called everything back in the day. He called anything that's big in sports, Dick Enberg called, national title, hoops, Super Bowls, the whole bit. When I was a little kid, I was, went to a Maryland basketball game, shocker, and I met Dick Enberg and he could not have been kinder and more present and, and just made me feel like, holy smokes, like this is, this is a guy, but he was, he was asking me questions and he was interested and he was present. Fast forward a zillion years and

• 46:46Speaker 07

  now we're working together. I believe it was the US Open in Philly in Marion and we're out and we're at dinner and it's a small group and I tell him the story about the way, the reason I act to people the way I act is, is because of how, I'll never forget how kind and how present and, and just, you made me feel like a big deal, even though you were the big deal.

• 47:08Travis Kelce?

  So cool.

• 47:09Speaker 07

  Like I'm telling Dick this story and he gets like, he's teary eyed and he's like, thank you so much for, for letting me know that something I did, you know, mattered to you. I was like, you kidding me? Like this is a legendary guy. So I don't know. I think all I'm trying to say is it's, it's, it's real easy to be decent to people. You know what I mean? And look, you guys operate in a different place. I mean, I've, I've done this a long time. I'm six, six, bald headed. People recognize me where I go. But like, you guys have to deal with a whole different level of what that is. And I just try to be a mirror, you know, reflect what you get. And, and so that, what I'd say to the people is give, give something good and you probably get it back. You know what I'm saying? I hope that makes sense. I don't know. I remember that moment. We had a blast and we keep

• 47:50Speaker 07

  on trucking in the lanes we're in and, and I'm sure we'll keep trying best to stay happy and present in them as long as we can.

• 47:56Travis Kelce?

  I, I'm sure as hell I am. I did want to ask you one question, uh, before we get out of this Monday night, uh, gig. Have you ever considered actually calling games?

• 48:06Speaker 07

  I mean, we, we do the Pro Bowl. We do the Pro Bowl, which in the flag space is among the most really prominent flag games. Travis, I don't know of a bigger one. There's foam pits, people do flips in them. It's, it's quite a lot. No, I, I never have. And I watch people like the Bucks and the Tariqos and the Nieces and the Michaels and the whatever. And I, and I, it's a skillset I, I don't have. I don't know. I, I don't want to do it. I've never wanted to do it. I get to do golf, which is.

• 48:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I was gonna say you do that live, but.

• 48:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, but that's like, let me call a golf shot real quick.

• 48:44Speaker 04

  All right, here we go. Oh, this is awesome.

• 48:48Speaker 07

  To 14.

• 48:52Speaker 07

  Oh, that was good.

• 48:55Speaker 07

  That's it. Like, like to 14. It's, there's, there's very little to say or do. I don't need to set up the down and distance. I don't need to know, did he catch it? Is he in bounds? Is he out of bounds? That look like a face mask. Calling golf is stealing money. Okay. Stealing money.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  But I think you're, you're really underestimate, you're underrating that to 14 call. Travis, give us your best to 14 right now. What is it? Let me get your to 14.

• 49:20Travis Kelce?

  All right, now here we go. Now over to 14.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  I'm changing the channel if somebody gives me a 14 call like that immediately.

• 49:28Speaker 07

  That was poor. That was poor to, poor to bad is what that was. No, it's very, very, very understated. Think, think, you know, think Jim Nance. Hello, friends. Think.

• 49:38Travis Kelce?

  Oh, nice.

• 49:40Speaker 07

  To 14.

• 49:42Speaker 07

  See that? Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  God, that's electric.

• 49:46Travis Kelce?

  Well, let's, uh, let's go, let's keep going over to golf. We got the Masters coming up.

• 49:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, baby.

• 49:51Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 49:51Travis Kelce?

  We got the Masters coming up. You, uh, and you're, you're supposed to be doing the, the first two days of it, right?

• 49:57Speaker 07

  Yep. Thursday, Friday. Um, it's by far and away my favorite week of the year professionally. It's just.

• 50:04Travis Kelce?

  So cool.

• 50:05Speaker 07

  Have you, have you been?

• 50:06Travis Kelce?

  Yes. I got lucky. I went during the COVID year where there was no stands.

• 50:11Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 50:11Travis Kelce?

  There were no grandstands. So I just got to see how beautiful that course was. Oh my gosh.

• 50:17Speaker 07

  It's impossible to try to convey to people. It's a, and it's an impossible place to exist like.

• 50:22Travis Kelce?

  Every single blade of grass is thought about there.

• 50:25Speaker 07

  There you go.

• 50:25Travis Kelce?

  Every plant, every tree.

• 50:28Speaker 07

  It's perfection.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  It's insane.

• 50:29Travis Kelce?

  It's amazing.

• 50:30Speaker 07

  It is. It's all these things and the week is, as I say, it's my favorite week. It's, it's, I've done it for a long time, which is hard to process. First year I went was 1997 when Tiger Woods was, you know, a kid and he laid waste to every record there was, lowest score, youngest winner, biggest margin of victory, the whole bit. And that was when I started and now it's all these years later and, and I'm the guy in the butler cabin on Thursday and Friday that, that brings this on the air and.

• 51:02Travis Kelce?

  So cool, man.

• 51:03Speaker 07

  Believe me.

• 51:04Travis Kelce?

  That is so cool.

• 51:05Speaker 07

  I, I'm talking earlier about being present, being grateful, like all the stuff I get to do is, is a blast. I mean, I'm, I'll go in tonight and we'll, you know, hap, we'll do a show, you know, we followed the women's tournament and you talk to Gino R E M after he goes to his 24th final four. He's got confetti in his hair. Like that's an amazing thing to get to share with somebody. I, I love what I get to do. It's, it's, all of it's insane. The Masters is a completely different level of lunacy. Like when you know that, the, it comes on the air and it's a picture and it's whatever it is, it's the Hogan Bridge or it's, it's the 13th and it's that, that like the iconic.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, going to that corner.

• 51:46Speaker 07

  Right. You can close your eyes and see him in corner and you hear that, that, that sort of melodic piano and you're the voice that says whatever it is that you have to say. And the Masters begins and you're the one doing it. There's no way I can explain the depth of appreciation for the fact that I'm the person sitting in that chair. It's something I share with my pop. My, my pop died when I was in college and um, I'm gonna tell you a quick one about like, so it'll be Thursday at three Eastern will come on the air.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:17Speaker 07

  You know, you start, you rehearse a little bit. All right, we're gonna show these highlights Scheffler on six and Rory on 10. Okay. We just make, all right, I know how we're gonna come on the air here. And at some point in the last minute, all right. I'm sitting there and I'm getting ready and then there'll be about a 30 second bit where I just sort of get into this zen sort of place where I'm just, my mind is still, my heart is grateful and I think of my father. And I think, Pop, it's like I don't say it out loud, I just think, let me be calm, let me do my job well, let me speak slowly and clearly and let me do my job well. And I think of him

• 52:58Speaker 07

  and I think, man, if my father were here. They say a young man that loses his dad early in life spends the rest of his life trying to make him proud. And I know damn sure, sitting in that chair, that my Pop is proud of his boy. And then we come on the air. And that last little five seconds, it's like, I swear to God, it's like time stops for just a second and I'm like, we good? Here we go. And then off you go and you do your job. But I give, I give myself like that very focused attention to that feeling, like what you feel in that moment. And it's just gratitude just exploding in your soul. I don't mean for this to sound overwrought.

• 53:41Speaker 07

  I don't mean for it to sound too goofy or heavy, but it's sincere. It's sincere. And so I'm here and you know, Jim Nance is there and you know, Jim, it's his show. I'm just there to sort of welcome people on. I don't do a hell of a lot of heavy lifting, but that's, that's the gig for the week. That's the main focus of it. Wednesday's my favorite day. I'm doing the par three contest this year, which is a blast. It's like, you know, the kids are caddying for their, for their dad and it's just this beautiful day and it's this minute, this par three course is sort of a miniature version of the big course. It's incredible. The whole thing's incredible. But there's a lot wrapped up into that week, as you can tell from what I'm sort of saying here.

• 54:23Travis Kelce?

  Heck yeah, man.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  That's awesome. Getting a lot of knowledge dropped on us right now. I love it.

• 54:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. And the masters, all these majors are so, they're so much more, I feel like ramped up because of the split.

• 54:37Travis Kelce?

  You get to see these guys coming from all over the world, all over the world, different leagues. If you're the top of the top, you're in these majors.

• 54:44Speaker 07

  Right.

• 54:45Travis Kelce?

  So we get to see the guys that were, you know, how, I mean, don't get me wrong. It's always been like that, but I feel like there's a little bit more excitement when you don't, because you don't get to see, you know, Bryson every single week on the PGA.

• 54:57Speaker 07

  Right. There's a lot, a lot of big time guys. I think, I think Travis, that that, I don't know. I don't know what the timeframe is. I think that they'll sort that out. I think we'll get back to a little bit.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Been trying to figure it out for what, two years now, basically?

• 55:10Speaker 07

  Well, I mean, the whole thing got real sideways where dudes took money and the PGA Tour was like, that's, don't do that. Then the PGA Tour was like, well, maybe we'll do that too.

• 55:20Speaker 07

  That's a funny game.

• 55:22Speaker 04

  We gotta compete. Yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's an interesting trick. We're, I mean, if, imagine being like Rory and you passed on, God only knows how many hundred millions of dollars.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  The Tiger too, right? Didn't Tiger pass on?

• 55:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, right. Yeah. I heard numbers. I don't know what the truth is, but I'm certain that there were, that there were nine figures involved. That much I know.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Gosh.

• 55:40Speaker 07

  But the point you make about just not seeing them compete that often, that does make the majors feel a little bit different. But honestly, like we'll, we do the PGA Championship on ESPN. We'll be down at Quail Hollow in Charlotte in the May, and that's a great field too. But to me, the star of, of the Masters week is not even the players, it's the stage.

• 56:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:03Speaker 07

  It's, it's the venue and the feelings associated with the venue. It's going back there every spring. It's the friendships that get rekindled, like among, you know, patrons and people that work there and, you know, it's just, the whole week is so, so special. So you're right that, that those events have added significance, but the Masters is just, feels like what it feels like because of the place more than, than who, who's competing in it.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Thousand percent. I think golf in general, it's, it's such a sport that's rooted in history. And when you go to a lot of these older venues that have so much history to them, that is there in the back of your mind in itself.

• 56:42Travis Kelce?

  It almost takes you back in time.

• 56:44Speaker 04

  What the Masters has at the same time is not. Not only does it have that history, but it's every little meticulous thing is just done in a way that I don't know, makes it feel just ridiculously special.

• 56:56Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  To every single person.

• 56:58Speaker 07

  No.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Even like the person serving you beer to the, to the, uh, the person you walk by in the clubhouse or whatever, they all just make every single person feel so special that they're at an unbelievable place and we're all taking this in together.

• 57:14Speaker 07

  No doubt.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  It's, it's just such an awesome place because of that feeling, I feel like.

• 57:18Speaker 07

  Agreed. And I'm, I've been so lucky going there through, through the years that, that the people that you walk past, well, you know, I, I talk about my, my friend, Ms. Nadine, she's, she's a security and years ago I walked past her, uh, in her station by the par three course and I hear this voice say, "You look nice." And I stop and I look and that's Ms. Nadine. And so I walk over to Ms. Nadine and she says, she says, "Let me see that tie." And I looked at it. I'm like, okay. And she said, "I'm Nadine. I'm Scott." I walked by the next day. She said, "Come over here." Okay. She's like, "I don't like that tie." Like, who, who asked you? And she's like, "Okay." So like it became that week, every day I'd go by and by the end of that week, me and Ms. Nadine were like this.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 58:03Speaker 07

  I get Christmas cards from her. She gets Christmas cards from me. We see each other and we hug, like every single day I give her a hug. That's my girl, Ms. Nadine. Like we've been friends for 20 years.

• 58:14Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 58:14Speaker 07

  And like this is a place where there's the, there's this grill where we're allowed to eat, this room that, you know, it's the greatest sandwich and fries on a china plate you've ever had in your life. Okay? And years ago.

• 58:29Travis Kelce?

  Is it pimento cheese or what?

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Well, the, yes, that, that is part of the lore of the place for sure. But one year I ordered a grilled cheese and bacon with tomato. Wasn't on the, they just made it. And if I walk in there now, my guy, Tony will just give me a nod and they'll just bring it to me. They know, I'm not a member at Augusta National. I'm just some bozo that's been coming for a few years, but these are my friends. And so.

• 58:53Travis Kelce?

  That's so awesome, man.

• 58:55Speaker 07

  They know what to bring me. And you know what I'm saying like

• 58:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 58:58Speaker 07

  That's the level of attention to detail and and the friendships that you that you revisit every year. And my wife may come down this year where and I said, I don't care if you see the golf course. I just want you to get to hug Miss Nadine. I just, you know, because she knows my family like again, like Christmas cards with with each other every year. So like, those are the people that are part of it. And then, as you say, that the history of it, the actual golf, every hole, right? Like 13, you remember when Phil hit it off the pine straw past a tree and, you know, 16, you remember Tiger hits it up and it rolls down the hill and Vern, have you ever in your

• 59:37Speaker 07

  life? And 17, again, Vern, Jack Nicklaus, maybe, yes, sir. I mean, every hole has a picture in a moment in time. I mean, I could keep going. The 10th hole, Bubba in a playoff.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  Bubba Watson, dude, that is still the the most iconic shot I've ever seen in my life.

• 59:52Speaker 07

  There you go.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  I had no idea how that lefty hooked that thing that much.

• 59:55Speaker 07

  Well, Bubba's not, Bubba can't see a straight shot in his mind.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  That's right. He prefers to have an angle on it.

• 1:00:02Speaker 07

  Exactly. It's actually better for him to be in there in a tree and go, all right, if I hook this some bitch 90 yards around a tree, I can, you know what I mean? And so everybody has their shots and their moments. And that to me is what makes, you know, that's what makes it what it is.

• 1:00:15Travis Kelce?

  That's awesome. So you've been working the event for a long time. The first time you were at the Masters, were you a patron or were you working it?

• 1:00:23Speaker 07

  Oh, no, I went 97. I was covering it for, I worked for the Golf Channel at the time. And, you know, you'd never, and it's amazing. It's amazing to have how much it's changed. I mean, and yet it has this incredible ability to evolve and that and yet stay timeless. It's impossible. It's a trick you can't pull off. And yet they do where everything about it every year feels like it's been this way forever. And yet, so much of it has changed in terms of the golf course, how they stretched it out, made holes longer, tougher, changed this undulation, that undulation, whatever. So I mean, like the snapshot of 97 in my mind, it feels like the same place. And yet it's it's so very different.

• 1:01:06Speaker 07

  Different, um, but they get, they get everything exactly right. Uh, exact, every detail is just, is perfect. And I haven't been to every one since 97, but I mean, there's similarities for you guys, maybe with, with, with seasons with football, right? When, when you're in a sport and you do something every year and then like you, there's a, there's a pace to the season. And then there's your off season. And then the next thing you know, it's like, all right, we're back at OTAs and then we're in camp and then the season starts again. And it's like, it feels like time's not passing in some ways. And so like, I was just at Augusta in my mind, only I wasn't. I mean, it was a year ago and I'll be back there and it'll be masters week and you think to yourself, oh, it's probably been three or four years since that. And then you go, oh shit, that was 15 years ago. You know

• 1:01:51Speaker 07

  what I'm saying? Like I, it can't possibly be almost 30 years since I was there with Tiger in 97. But we're damn near there. And that's where I, that's where I just look at myself and go, good Lord, like how, how lucky are you to be able to keep doing this? And so it's, uh, it's crazy how, again, how time passes. And yet when you're there, it feels like time hasn't moved.

• 1:02:12Travis Kelce?

  We're all fricking excited for this year's, um, and I know you'll kick it off right, big guy. Jason, man, I know you got a newborn, but I might slide down there for a Sunday finish.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  Don't do it without me. Come on, don't.

• 1:02:24Travis Kelce?

  I want to go so bad.

• 1:02:26Speaker 07

  All right now. All right now. Come on now. Come on now. I know some people that know some people.

• 1:02:34Speaker 07

  If you left your boy at home, he, he would, he would not be pleased with that, would he?

• 1:02:38Travis Kelce?

  Jason, just bring the, bring the baby. Come on.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Travis, that baby is surviving off of mom. I cannot offer anything to that baby.

• 1:02:45Speaker 07

  How's that go? How's that? Let's, let's just, just, let's workshop this. Let's workshop this conversation, boys. We're three semi-smart people. How do we tell, how do we, how do we play that? How do we say, hey, listen, we're just gonna, gonna leave you alone with,

• 1:02:57Travis Kelce?

  Mosey down there.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  I've tried and I've, and I've failed.

• 1:03:04Speaker 07

  I think mosey's the key. I think it's not, I'm not going, I'm just gonna mosey on down.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  It's just gonna be a day.

• 1:03:09Speaker 07

  And then I'll zip right back. Mosey and zip. It's a mosey and zip scenario.

• 1:03:14Speaker 04

  Just go down, right back, you know, just, yeah. I mean, you know, we know.

• 1:03:18Travis Kelce?

  Few pimeno's.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Travis Kelce?

  Few eagles nest. What are they? The beers? Are they eagles nest? I forget.

• 1:03:23Speaker 07

  Well, it's good. Azalea. People enjoying azalea.

• 1:03:25Travis Kelce?

  There you go, azalea.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  I already tried float. I already tried floating and I was like, you know, I, you know, um, like, you know, a lot of, a lot of dads, you know, they, they got jobs. They got to work and they can't, you know, I'd feel like I'm just gonna be one day and then I'm right back. Yeah. And then I, and then I have anything else, you know?

• 1:03:37Speaker 07

  Scott needs help for the par three. Scott's doing the par three. He can't do it by himself.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:03:42Speaker 07

  You've seen him on TV. He can barely form a sentence. He can barely speak coherently. We need him. Come on.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  It has not gone well. It has not gone well so far. I'm sweating just thinking about this conversation again.

• 1:03:56Speaker 07

  Yeah. Sometimes you gotta just know what you can and can't pull off. Hey, by the way, he mentioned just this in passing, we play golf. Your brother, his practice swing, like the divot pattern that, are you familiar with the flank steak sized divots this man takes out of the earth?

• 1:04:16Travis Kelce?

  Ridiculous.

• 1:04:17Speaker 07

  Right?

• 1:04:17Travis Kelce?

  Why are you doing that on the tee box on a par five, Jason?

• 1:04:22Speaker 07

  And we played, we played on a day where it rained really heavily. And so the ground was super sort of, uh,

• 1:04:29Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 07

  It was not firm. And so those practice swings, you'd look up and be like, this is like a full yard of sod in the air. And that's just the practice swing. I'm like, well, you're gonna have to hit the ball here. We're gonna have a trench here. We could bury a squirrel, man. Big, he's got a nice, nice swing though. Obviously a lot of power involved.

• 1:04:48Travis Kelce?

  Big dude, big dude. These, the lineman, I'll tell you what, he has a better swing for a lot of the old linemen that I've come across. The shoulders and the neck and the torso area, they're just, they're meant to be right here. They're not meant to, they're not meant to turn as much.

• 1:05:04Speaker 07

  Well, that's getting that, that left shoulder behind the ball. That's important. And he's, it's pretty, it's hard when you have like that, sort of, it's all fused together. Your tempo though, your tempo is, I, I mean, you can really swing out of traffic. You can.

• 1:05:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, no.

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  Travis, he's got a great swing.

• 1:05:20Travis Kelce?

  I can get it going a little bit. I've, I've been, I'm trying to get a little bit more because I get out of whack. So I'm trying to.

• 1:05:26Speaker 07

  You know what the key for

• 1:05:27Travis Kelce?

  Eliminating variables.

• 1:05:28Speaker 07

  Agreed. And the key for the big guys to recognize that if, if like, if you draw, if you drew a line from the ball back to the top, back to the bottom for a tall guy, it's a mile long. So I think that I always think Jon Rahm, and it doesn't need to be as abbreviated as Jon Rahm. But you also don't need to wrap that son of a gun around your neck because like the chance to get back to the square.

• 1:05:48Travis Kelce?

  John Daly.

• 1:05:49Speaker 07

  Really difficult. But if you just turn to the point, if your shoulder's behind it, you, all you gotta do is get back to the bottom and you're gonna be, you're gonna knock it a long way. Your swing's really good though.

• 1:05:58Travis Kelce?

  I appreciate that.

• 1:05:59Speaker 07

  What's your handicap?

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  Come on, Trev.

• 1:06:01Travis Kelce?

  I shoot in the, I shoot in the probably low to mid eighties.

• 1:06:04Speaker 07

  But you could, if you got a cook and you're like, you're thinking, I might, maybe I might could shoot something that started with a seven, right?

• 1:06:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 07

  All right. That's, that's what I thought.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  You're good. If you're, if you're shooting something that starts with a seven, you're a good golfer.

• 1:06:17Speaker 07

  No, you're beyond, you're 99th percentile.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:06:20Speaker 07

  Seriously.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:22Speaker 07

  I always get a kick out of people that like, like the reverse sandbaggers, like people that sandbag that say, I'm probably like a 12 and then they shoot 75. You're like, that's bullshit.

• 1:06:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:30Speaker 07

  But people that say, oh, no, I'm like a nine. And then they go shoot a hundred. You're like, a nine, what?

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  What would you rather have? Would you rather have the guy sandbagging it or the undershooting it?

• 1:06:40Travis Kelce?

  That's a good question.

• 1:06:41Speaker 07

  That's actually a really good question, but I, the guy that says he's a 14 that goes to some member guest and shoots 75, that's very, very poorly looked upon. So I'd say, so I think, I think the person that says that they're a 12 that shoots 108, like that, you could live with that. Like, oh, I just had a bad day. Well, no, you actually, you have a bullshit 12 is what you're having. There are a lot of those, but don't be, don't be the sandbagger. Don't be a sandbagger. That's bad look. Bad look, man.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  Let's go back to when you started ESPN. How about that?

• 1:07:14Speaker 07

  I'm happy to do it.

• 1:07:15Speaker 04

  Joined in 2001. How old were you when you first joined at ESPN?

• 1:07:20Speaker 07

  Well, let's do the math. I'm, I'm, I'm 58. So what did that put me at 2001? I was, uh, I'm not good at math. That was 20, 35 ish. Yeah, 35 ish, mid 30s. Yeah.

• 1:07:34Travis Kelce?

  Nice. And you were with Golf Channel up until then?

• 1:07:36Speaker 07

  I was, I was. I mean, I told you the story about like having the note. I wouldn't work at ESPN, but it was kind of, a lot of life is this, right? Sort of serendipitous. Like a guy named Jimmy Roberts, who actually is a Maryland guy and was at ESPN covering golf, left to go to NBC. And that was in the middle of Tiger Woods just laying waste to all humanity in the game. I mean, he was breaking records, you know, winning every major and ESPN really kind of needed a guy that had an in with Tiger.

• 1:08:08Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:08:09Speaker 07

  I was that guy.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  There we go. Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 07

  I mean, literally, my entire career exists because of Tiger Woods. That is a fact. And, and maybe I could have found some of this without him, but almost certainly not. And so I went in 2001 because ESPN really kind of needed a golf guy. And I lived down in Orlando at the time and I stayed in Orlando and I was covering golf and a little bit of this, that and the other thing. So that was when it started.

• 1:08:34Travis Kelce?

  That's so cool.

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  What was your first day at ESPN like? Do you remember?

• 1:08:38Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. Oh, I, I remember it vividly because I was, we were in Australia to cover a golf tournament. It was the match, world match play and we're in Australia. This is actually cool. I can picture it as clear as day. We were going to follow a Syracuse basketball game and we're just waiting for it to end. And I'm sitting in like this, it's like a tent. When you cover, when you're doing a golf event, um, you know, they build these little, you've seen them. If you go to like a major or whatever, like a, uh, it's a TV compound with, you know, you're, you're outdoors, but there's a tent over the top of it. And I'm sitting there with my guy, Andy North. And when the game ends, there used to be this like, and you guys are ESPN heads,

• 1:09:22Speaker 07

  like there was this animation that like, it was like sort of a circle and it says ESPN. And there's this, there's this voice that says, this is a presentation of ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports. And that's like, I told you about the Masters moment where I'm waiting to talk. Well, this is 2001 and I've never done it. And I'm like, oh shit, I have to talk and it's me and I'm on ESPN.

• 1:09:46Speaker 07

  You know what I'm saying? It's it got it got as real as it could get. And I'm just like, don't talk fast. Don't freak out. This is what you do. You can do it. Only I got news for you, boys. I kind of couldn't do it like that at that point. And yeah, so I'm in a tent in Australia with Andy North at the at the World Match Play. And that's the first event I did. And then the next, it was a two week thing because we went from there to Kapalua to do what used to be the Mercedes. And I'm doing a two week junket in Australia and Hawaii. And I'm like, bro, your boy's on ESPN and I am living right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, this is a good introduction. It's Australia. It's Maui and it's like, life is good. I am wavy, bro.

• 1:10:31Speaker 07

  And this is real, real good. Look at your boy. Then that's how that's how it started. And then it was actually a really unfortunately sobering moment because I it's I come home and I'm sitting in my house one day. It's February and it was the Daytona 500 and I get a phone call from ESPN that says, hey, Scott, we were we're getting word that Dale Earnhardt might have died in this crash. I'm like, oh, that's awful. And then they said, I'm not processing this, right? And there's, we need you to go there. And I'm thinking, wow, I mean, I had only done golf, right? And so I had just done these golf events, which was a very familiar space for me.

• 1:11:15Speaker 07

  And now all of a sudden, I'm hopping in the car, driving up to Daytona to cover as big a story as there could be in the sports world. And that's where it was a real reality check of the like, you're in the deep end of the pool, man. And and and I I remember vividly, SportsCenter started that night with a report from me at Daytona, giving the news that Dale Earnhardt had died. And it was it went from like, everything's whatever to the reality of what the stage you were on and and the fact that you were covering everything. And then, you know, obviously from there, there's there's far less serious stories. But you added more to the plate as as time went on.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, holy cow. I mean, that's a heck of a switch up.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Australia, Maui, and now I'm.

• 1:12:05Speaker 07

  Dale Earnhardt is gone. But from my perspective as, all right, can I do this? It was, you're not going to be asked to cover something more significant than that. And I was able to do it. And then it was just the recognition of, all right, you're in a different place now than at the Golf Channel where you just go on to the next, you know, tour stop. And, you know, that was all that we were going to do. And then, you know, as I say, it was more, you used to do some NBA things like Tracy McGrady and Shaq and people like that. Where the Magic at the time, you'd do some of that. And it was just around that summer was when they said, hey, we want you to come up and maybe do some SportsCenter. And I was like, all right, I can do that. And then I went in and then the next thing you know, it's like, hey, we want you to move up here.

• 1:12:46Speaker 07

  And do it. And I'm, I mean, leaving Orlando where it was 75 and sunny every day for Bristol was, that was, that was a different kind of reality check. Like, what am I doing?

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Sure, sure.

• 1:12:57Speaker 07

  That was a rough adjustment initially.

• 1:12:59Speaker 04

  Speaking of an adjustment, like going from the Golf Channel where you're obviously just doing golf, then all of a sudden you're doing all this stuff. Was there anybody at ESPN that kind of showed you the ropes and taught you? I don't know how to now cover everything.

• 1:13:14Speaker 07

  I mean, I don't think I had as much of a sort of a, of a guide as much as I just. There's, there's a person and you would know this name because you know him. And he's the guy that's now in charge of, of all things at ESPN, a guy named Mike McQuade. He's a behind the scenes guy who's been as instrumental in helping me get where I am as anyone. Just what he did, what he did, Jason, was he basically just said, you know what to do. Just go do it. And, and was great with feedback. We don't, you told me something when we played golf that day. You said, I like being coached. And I thought, that's great news because not everybody does. Everyone says they want feedback. You know what feedback they want? They want grab ass, you're awesome, atta boy.

• 1:14:00Speaker 07

  They don't want, hey, that's bullshit that you can't do this. That was bad. Here's why this sucked. But that's what you need and and having a guy like that that was really helpful and just trusting trusted that I would do the work and put in the work and wherever the bumpy spots were I'd figure them out. He was great from a behind the scenes standpoint, but then, you know, as I mentioned, you know, Stuart Scott was awesome and we had this, we had this kind of admiration from afar because he he and Tiger were boys and I was as well. And so we had kind of seen each other from across the aisle. And then when I came, I had kind of the endorsement from Tiger with Stuart. And then I was an ACC guy from Maryland. He was a Carolina guy. And we had that kind of common thing. And

• 1:14:43Speaker 07

  then he and I just found this rhythm with one another that was really helpful from a SportsCenter standpoint. But I mean, I've been so lucky with people that I worked with from like, and if I start naming people, I'll leave them off. But like Stuart was big. Neil Everett was a partner of mine that I worked with a ton. And he's just like, that's my brother forever. So I've I've just been so lucky that the people that I've sort of shared the set with and, you know, traveled with and worked with were all great teammates that helped helped elevate me that hopefully I helped make them the best version of them and you kind of ham and egg it. But, you know, wasn't like we had a, you know, sit, sit down and here's, here's this and here's that and here's the other. They just kind of trust you to figure stuff out. And what you don't, you know, they're going to help nudge you back towards the center.

• 1:15:26Travis Kelce?

  Well, I'll tell you what, man, the ESPN commercials alone.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Come on now.

• 1:15:32Travis Kelce?

  Made that place seem like the coolest workplace of all time. Outside of the the cameos of the superstars that were, you know, in the NFL, the NBA and all that. The cast of SportsCenter, men and women, I mean, we talked about them already, Rich Eyes and Dan Patrick, the Swami, Chris Berman, Linda Cohn, Steve Levy, Stuart Scott. Like you said, we're leaving off way too many. But how fun was that to go into work? Like, did you guys actually have cubicles?

• 1:16:03Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:05Travis Kelce?

  So so this was actually like, you guys were just hanging out with each other and just talking sports, I would assume.

• 1:16:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Travis Kelce?

  And creating the show before.

• 1:16:13Speaker 07

  Right. And I mean, I, you know, Dan and Keith made SportsCenter something different. They took it to a different place, I think. Berman's the godfather, Bob Lee as well, obviously. But then Dan and Keith took it to a thing where it was different. And then Stuart and Rich were a big time team. And, you know, they had a lot of us that kind of worked together. And you team up with different people at different times. But then the idea was if you could create, you know, people that work together quite a bit, then you create chemistry, which makes a ton of sense, right? Like, you become like an O-line. There's this energy. And hey, I could slide out the tackle if I need to. But if we can get some reps together, we

• 1:16:55Speaker 07

  can make this a thing. And so, honestly, I mean, and it's still like that. And it's different. I'm down in DC, and I'm not in a cubicle and, you know, sitting next to, you know, Rich or Stuart or whomever back in the day. But it's the same idea. Like, I'm gonna go in and watch games, and then I do a show. It's a joke. My dad was, my dad worked for a plumbing company. I always say this, he wore boots to work. You know, I wear Ferragamos and a little light dusting of powder on the head. I mean, that's what I wear to work. And I just watch games all night. It's absurd. And so, I think what the, what the genius of those ads kind of captured was that, like, people like, this is what it's like? Like, well, yeah, I'm not actually sitting in LeBron's chair in

• 1:17:39Speaker 07

  a throne, but it's like that. And, you know, the cool thing about like, that spot is it's, and he was on me recently, it's like, still a joke that we go back to.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Speaker 07

  Like, I saw when he was on with you about, you know, the, he's about when he, this, this fuckery won't continue. And then now he's 40, and he's like, when I'm, when I'm 50, like, I mean, I saw him reference that, like, the idea that, holy smokes, like, he's still doing this at that age. He was a baby when he did that ad with me. And so now we can kind of still reference it. And, you know, I got a note from his folks, like, you know, clutch, like, I was texting back and forth with Rich Paul about, I said, you know what's cool is like, we've both been doing this for 20 some odd years and can still kind of do it. I'm not comparing myself as an anchor to LeBron James. But, but, but we're still in, we're still in that respective place and we can still, you know, play at a certain level.

• 1:18:32Travis Kelce?

  You're still in the biggest spots of TV.

• 1:18:34Speaker 07

  And that's kinda, that's kinda cool. Going back to who he was as a 21, two-year-old, maybe at the time when we did, I mean, it might've been, he might've just been 20 when we did that spot. Cause I joked to him, I said, you know, I, I think when you and I did that ad, I might've been around 40. And I, that was right around the, the age when I realized there was stuff physically I kinda couldn't do. And you're 40 and there's nothing, like what is it you're doing? You know what I mean? Like, how are you still this guy?

• 1:19:00Travis Kelce?

  He's not human.

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  It's a freak of nature.

• 1:19:01Speaker 07

  My favorite one, other than the LeBron one, was me and Stuart were with Arnold Palmer and all the, the ad is 15 seconds and it's Arnold in the cafeteria and Arnold Palmer makes an Arnold Palmer. A little iced tea, little splash of lemonade, no words are said, then he walks off and it's me and Stuart Scott and all we say is, "That was awesome."

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 07

  And Stuart's like, "I know."

• 1:19:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Speaker 07

  And it's, and it's a 15-second spot and that was, that's it. And so it's like, is this what ESPN was like? Like, yeah, kinda. We just kinda sit in our cubes, go to the cafeteria. Again, Arnold's not there making an Arnold Palmer, but that, that ad was just, uh, well, I thought was just genius.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, that's probably my favorite one.

• 1:19:43Travis Kelce?

  So simple.

• 1:19:43Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:19:44Speaker 04

  So you just talked about LeBron has obviously changed or still in the same space with you. You've been in the sports world for a long time. How have you seen athletes change? Has interviewing athletes gotten better or worse?

• 1:19:58Speaker 07

  That's interesting. The, you guys doing this and, and, you know, you were straddling the back end of your career, Jason Trout, thankfully, run it back. I like that. That's great news. Um, still, still in it?

• 1:20:12Travis Kelce?

  Let's do it.

• 1:20:13Speaker 07

  There's a clear understanding among athletes that... You own your voice and you are in charge of your voice and you have agency over yourselves to share that voice the way you want to. And I think it's been great for people to learn about athletes in a different way. Share your lives as much as you're willing to share, share your lives with the public. And that's tricky, right? You got to pick how much of it, how much, how much of them do you want to know about your new baby? By the way, I hadn't said congrats and I didn't. Thank you. God bless you. That's awesome. But that, that's a tricky thing and it's, it's up to you to decide how much you want to share it with people. Because athletes have a space that, that they control the, not the narrative,

• 1:20:55Speaker 07

  but what, it is the narrative. It's their narrative. It's, it's very different. And you guys joked about it a couple of years ago. Jason, you're still playing for Philly and we, I thought we were going to talk to you and then you had cramps and they sent somebody else out. And I think I said on SportsCenter, I thought we were talking to Kelsey, but I guess he wants to save the content for the podcast. And I, I was just joking. But then you guys, you know, you guys covered it. Try have my backs. Like, how are you going to blow on SVP like that? Which you didn't, which you didn't. But I think what I'm saying is I think that it is interesting that if you have something impactful and important that you want to say, you want to say it on your platform, the way you want

• 1:21:37Speaker 07

  to say it. But I do think what I have with, with athletes is a, a trust, I think people respect that I respect them and know that I'm not trying to, you know, you're not going to get got. Like, it's not what that's about. I'm trying to have a genuine conversation and I'm interested in, in the things that are related to the competition. And I think I'm good at having conversations that can pull out the, the emotions and, and the answers that are related to that, that are interesting to me and the audience. I still think we can have those conversations. Even if you have a lane that you want to be the driver of that content, I get it.

• 1:22:19Speaker 07

  So it's different, but I also think it's made guys and men and women more comfortable in talking about themselves in a way that it's maybe less guarded when you do have the conversations. That make sense?

• 1:22:33Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:22:34Speaker 07

  There's just, there's a tonnage of voices and content out there these days. And so I've done it long enough that I don't, I don't meet strangers, if that makes sense. Even if we haven't talked, I've done it long enough that I'm not saying this to be an ass, but I mean, you probably have some idea who I am and I know who you are. So we're not, even if we've never talked, we're familiar with each other and hopefully you're familiar with the way I approach things.

• 1:22:58Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 1:22:59Travis Kelce?

  Always a pros pro. How many, I gotta ask you though, of the four major sports that you typically cover, even though it goes far beyond that, which athletes give you the best post-game answers?

• 1:23:11Speaker 07

  I think hockey guys, there's a, there's a sincerity to hockey guys. And I, they fascinate me because I've, I can't skate. I, these guys will play through like a severed limb. What they're willing to go through is beyond my comprehension. Like I get, you know, dude's got to take a shot to be available and your availability is your best ability. I appreciate what you guys put through, yourselves through rather, but hockey guys just totally fascinate me. Like there's guys whose mouths, their teeth, it looks, look like they ate a fucking grenade and they're still playing like.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  It's a rite of passage. They brag about it.

• 1:23:49Speaker 07

  Right. How do, what are you doing? If that happened to me, I'd be incapacitated for a week and they're like out there for the next shift. So there's a curiosity I have about them and I, I'm not talking about them like they're zoo animals, like what are you? But it's a little.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  No, they are, they are, they're zoo animals.

• 1:24:06Speaker 07

  Okay, they're zoo animals. They just, I, I played golf once with, with Oshie and Carlson, a couple of couples here. And Oshie had literally, he had literally just had surgery on like a sports hernia.

• 1:24:22Speaker 07

  A week before and him and Carlson are talking about that moment when you're passing out from the, from the anesthesia about like that, that last couple of seconds and they were talking about it with joy in their eyes before they go under for surgery. And I, I couldn't get over just how those dudes are wired, man. So I, hockey guys, hockey guys fascinate me. Those are the guys I enjoy the most because I have the least understanding of them.

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  There's a whole way they talk too. That's like mesmerizing. The verbiage they use and there's like, half of them are, aren't even Americans, right? Like they're Canadians or they're from overseas and Russia or whatnot. And there's like, there's slang to it and.

• 1:25:02Speaker 07

  And everybody's got a nick, you know, everybody's, it's, no one's just Jason or Travis. It's, you know, it's J-Bow and, and you know, everyone's, you gotta, I'm doing a shitty job of what the nickname, like what they call Wayne Gray, oh, Wayneo. That's what me and Steve, every time we bring up Wayneo, like this is the greatest player that's ever played. And the Canadian guys talk about skating down the ice side by each, like side by each. Okay, I get it. You're, you're next to each other. And there's, it is, there's a different language and the boys and the room, the way they talk about the room. I, that's my favorite thing. The, it's the locker room, but the room, the way they talk about it's like a sacred place.

• 1:25:41Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:41Speaker 07

  And you guys know it because you live it, but hockey guys room is a whole other level. And, uh, you know, last year I talked to Paul Maurice after they won, the Florida Panthers won. And he gave the greatest answer. I asked, you know, you've spent your life in pursuit of, of this thing and now you've done it. And in what way does that change your life? He took this really deep pause and then he gave this sincere thing. He said, I hope it doesn't. I hope I've lived my life in a way where it won't change me. And, and then he says, but next year when we go to camp, I'm going to skate the hell out of the boys because I got carte blanche. You know, it's like, it was, it was this surreal sincere moment, but then right back to the way that he's going to give the boys a hard time. I don't know. Hockey guys, uh, again, I'm being redundant, but they, they're mind boggling.

• 1:26:26Travis Kelce?

  Different breed, man.

• 1:26:27Speaker 04

  No, I'm right with you. And I think anybody who's been in an ice rink or, uh, you know, a hockey locker room, you know, the, the culture of hockey, especially in the, in the good spots is, you know, nobody's. Nobody's put on a pedestal. Everybody is like, the moment you think you're going to be like a pretentious or like prima donna, you can't survive in that sport, right? Like, it's all about doing stuff for your team. We had the Kachuk brothers on, their dad obviously played in the league for a number of years. And his one rule, his two rules were be a good teammate and work hard, right? That, and that like sums up who these guys are. Yeah.

• 1:27:05Speaker 07

  But that's life. Whoever's listening, the 92 percenters, that's it. Be a good teammate and work hard. But then I'm just trying to imagine what it is to be a guy and, and to understand that there's gonna come a time when you gotta go out there in the ice and you skate up to that dude next to you and you just look at the guy and you go, you want to go?

• 1:27:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:27Speaker 07

  And you gotta say, yep. And then down, and then down, down go the gloves and like, you want to go? I mean, it's like an invitation. It's like, hey, you want to go get some lunch? And like, no. Do you want me to punch you in the head? And that, but there's an invite and then you gotta, and if you don't accept that invite, you know? And then even if you can't fight, even if you get mopped, the boys are going to give you a stick tap because you know, it was your turn to go. Again, that's, that's not, it's not a space I'm, I'm familiar with.

• 1:27:57Travis Kelce?

  It's so epic.

• 1:27:58Speaker 07

  Steve Levy never once came up to me and asked me to fight. That never, never happened.

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  There's a, there's a weird thing in like a lot of hockey players' eyes where I feel like if you punch most people in the face, they get pissed. Like they're going to look at you and they're going to, like there's going to be a look of anger. I feel like if you punch a hockey guy in the face, they would smile. Which I like, it's almost like this, like weird mentality with some of these sports like hockey. I think rugby players are similar there. And there's certainly some football players like this where it's like, it's almost like you want to get punched in the face. It's weird.

• 1:28:31Speaker 07

  But I, I've seen like when, when DBs and wide receivers get at it and you grab the, you grab the face mask and dudes are swinging and then it's more like lunchroom, like, like let's separate me and then let's get mad. Where like, if, but like you punched John Carlson in the head and he would be like, come on.

• 1:28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Speaker 07

  Like all you did was light that fuse, buddy. And you're not ready.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  What I wanted.

• 1:28:54Speaker 07

  You're not ready for what's coming. You're not ready.

• 1:28:56Speaker 04

  Nobody's pulling us back.

• 1:28:59Travis Kelce?

  You guys are getting me fired up for some playoff hockey here.

• 1:29:01Speaker 07

  Hell yeah. I love it. That time of year is great. Like post masters and I get like then it gets back into a great flow of you got, you know, one night you follow a Stanley Cup, the next night you follow, you know, NBA playoffs and it's just there's a great cadence to this time of the year as we get to the, to the spring.

• 1:29:17Travis Kelce?

  You ain't lying.

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• 1:30:08Travis Kelce?

  Well, uh, let's keep this cadence in, uh, in the show going. We got one last segment for you, big guy. Um, we call this one, we gotta ask. Uh, we close every convo out with a little, we gotta ask and you don't have to answer and you can basically either answer the question or tell me and Jason to go fuck off. First one off the board, what is your greatest personal athletic achievement?

• 1:30:28Speaker 07

  I play a par three tournament, uh, every, uh, summer at the beach. Um, it's a little course called.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  Bethany?

• 1:30:35Speaker 07

  Uh, well, this, this, yes, we're, I, that's where our family's been for years.

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  I don't know if we want to disclose this. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:41Speaker 07

  Everybody in town knows where we live. Come by and say hi. Look forward to seeing you. It's, it's north of there. There's Dewey Beach and then there's a little town called Lewis, Delaware. And Lewis, Delaware has a, a par three course called the Midway Par Three. Me and my boys have been playing a tournament there every year forever. Uh, I'm proud to tell you last year, your boy won it in a playoff over a guy that actually. Thank you. Thank you. Over, over a guy who actually, actually played golf at the University of Maryland, beat him in a playoff with a birdie. And then I sent a. Oh, I'm not trying to name drop or whatever. This is just actually me making fun of what an idiot I am. I sent a picture, I sent a picture to Scotty Scheffler, who has won some

• 1:31:24Speaker 07

  tournaments. I'm like, you know what, buddy? You never won this. And it's a picture of me holding up the trophy.

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:31:29Speaker 07

  Our buddy runs a bar down there called the Starbird. It's our guy Monty. And like, every year, the winner of this tournament gets put up on this, on the, on the, the video board outside the Starbird. And so seeing my, my smiling face, holding that trophy, that's, that's as good as it's gonna get, boys. It's pretty much down here, hill from there. But I did win in Midway last summer, defending champ. Actually, you know what? Not defending, because no one can take it away from me. I'm the reigning champ.

• 1:31:54Speaker 04

  Reigning champ. Yeah, baby.

• 1:31:56Speaker 07

  Come get him.

• 1:31:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:57Speaker 07

  See you in July. Reigning Midway Dingle Champion. Bang. That's it.

• 1:32:02Travis Kelce?

  Thrown this man.

• 1:32:03Speaker 04

  All right. You tweeted this at the New Heights account. Please elaborate. How close did you or Mark Schlereth come to shitting your pants on air?

• 1:32:12Speaker 07

  Okay, so, all right, let's just say, Mark Schlereth, shout to Stink, my guy.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, Stink.

• 1:32:22Speaker 07

  I taught him how to tie his tie and like, it should have been a SportsCenter commercial. I taught him how to get that great dimple in the middle of his tie. And he, to this day, we love laughing about that. But this was a, this was a story. Show me a man who says he has to shit his pants. I'll show you a liar. Has it happened on air? I explained Mark Schlereth is familiar with it. So there was a day where I was having a rough day. Had a little, had a little bubble, little gurgle in the belly, a little bad tummy.

• 1:32:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 07

  And I'm said to Stink, buddy, um, there's a decent chance that while we're sitting out here, I might shit my pants.

• 1:32:57Speaker 04

  Ah!

• 1:32:59Speaker 07

  And Stink says to me, it's fine, it's fine. You just need to put some leaves in the gutter. I'm like, excuse me? You don't know leaves in the gutter? I'm like, what's leaves in the gutter? He's like, you just take a big giant ball of toilet paper and you ball it up and you put it in your ass crack. And then while you're, and then while you're sitting there, you know, in your boxers, you just, you got, it's basically like a, like a diaper of sorts.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  You're making a grown man's diaper, yeah.

• 1:33:25Speaker 07

  Because I wasn't gonna full on shit my pants. It was gonna be just a short kind of a moment. Just that, is this a fart? Oh, it's hot. No, that wasn't a fart. And so I- Had leaves in the gutter and then that night just gets better.

• 1:33:38Travis Kelce?

  It's a pro move.

• 1:33:39Speaker 07

  We're doing, he's there to do analysis on say the Thursday night game. For argument's sake, it's the Steelers and the Bengals. I don't remember, but I said, because a lot of what we do are inside jokes. I said, you know, Stank tonight, the Steelers defense, man, they, they, they really, they bottled up that run for the Bengals like leaves in the gutter. And Stink barely can get through the segment because I'm talking about the ball of toilet paper in my butt crack that he's sharing me. And I'm happy to say I did not need the leaves in the gutter, but fellas, maybe ladies, when in doubt, if you need to go leaves in the gutter, there's a pro tip from Mark Schlereth to me, to you.

• 1:34:23Speaker 07

  And that's the story of how Scott Van Pelt almost shit his pants on TV.

• 1:34:29Speaker 07

  Wow. I didn't know.

• 1:34:30Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 1:34:31Speaker 07

  I didn't know that we were gonna get into that, but that's, that's a true story. There we go.

• 1:34:36Speaker 04

  I'm stealing that too. I'm saying to everybody that leaves in the gutter. Shout out to Stink.

• 1:34:40Speaker 07

  It happens. And if you're, if you got a little girly belly, you want to make sure that would be a real bad problem if it, if it happened without the leaves in the gutter.

• 1:34:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:34:49Travis Kelce?

  What do you watch outside of sports, Scott?

• 1:34:51Speaker 07

  This is a bone of contention with Stanford Steve. Nothing. I have so many shows I know I'm supposed to watch. He's like, you gotta watch, and Steve is a, is a consumer of content. He is, he's up on all the great shows. And then he says, he's like, bro, White Lotus? And then he shows me the White Lotus scene where Goggins' character is talking to the dude about ladyboys. And I'm like.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  It's so great.

• 1:35:17Speaker 07

  I'm like, this is the show I'm supposed to watch? Like, my man's going through it. And that, that's a, that's a tough on-ramp for a show of like, this is, what's this? He's like, oh, it's a resort. Like, what kind of resort is, is it? So I really, I have, I have three young kids. Maybe this, this is sad, but it's true. I just really love sports and if I have free time and there's a game on, I find myself watching it. A, because I like it and B, because it's my job to kind of be aware of what's going on. And so I largely, I don't think I've watched anything like. Immersed in it since Breaking Bad and that hasn't been on the air in years.

• 1:35:58Travis Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 1:35:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's been a while.

• 1:35:59Travis Kelce?

  Good one though.

• 1:36:00Speaker 07

  I'm really, really bad at this because I know what I'm supposed to know and I can kind of passively bullshit my way through a White Lotus or a Severance conversation. Like I saw you talking to, to, um, to Ben about waffles and all this stuff and I know what it's about, but only vaguely. And that's always bad. It's like if you only speak like a little bit of Spanish and people are talking Spanish and you're just nodding and you're like, biblioteca. Yeah.

• 1:36:29Speaker 07

  Cebatos. That's shoes. Right. I, I, I'm that guy that knows like eight words in Spanish. That's what I, that's what I'm able to do when it comes to TV shows. And I always say I'm going to do it, but I'm not going to lie to anybody anymore. I'm probably not going to watch any of this. And that's, that's my own fault, but that's where I'm at.

• 1:36:44Speaker 04

  Well, what about TV shows about sports? What about like Ted Lasso?

• 1:36:47Speaker 07

  I was in that. No big deal.

• 1:36:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. There we go.

• 1:36:50Speaker 07

  No, that, that was actually really cool. This is, this, and you had Jason on and he broke the news about that, which was cool.

• 1:36:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:56Speaker 07

  I was told, hey, Jason Sudeikis wants to talk to you. I said, what about? Like, well, he wants, they, they want, they're going to do this show and that he wants to talk to you about it. I said, well, just tell him I'll just, I'll just do it. Whatever it is, it's fine. It's a cameo. No big deal. No, he really wants to talk to you. Okay. So I end up on the phone with Sudeikis and we end up talking for like an hour about life and how we had, we held a lot of similar views about gratitude and all the stuff I was kind of talking about. And what a cool man. What a great dude. What a fun guy to talk to. And he just wanted me, it was really important to him that I understood what this guy was about. And then how much they wanted me to be sort

• 1:37:38Speaker 07

  of the guy that set the tone in that very first episode with the SportsCenter thing about this coach that's going to go over. And I'm like, sure, of course. But what I got out of it was this really, really meaningful conversation with this guy right before this thing became this phenomenon. And so it was really neat because. Jason, you mentioned when you brought me on, it was nice. Like, I've been nominated a lot. I've been nominated like eight times for an Emmy. I have never won one. Well, when they won everything, I'm like, hey, man, I was in an episode. Do I get a, do I get a trophy? Like, how's this work? You told me how important it was for me to be part of it. Like, I was in one. Like, how far down the line of credits do we go? I was kidding. I didn't, I didn't really

• 1:38:19Speaker 07

  want one. I'm not that thirsty. But, uh, anyway, it was, it was, it was, it was cool that he asked me to be a part of that. And that he had this sincere want for me to understand what it was about. So, anyway, um, no, like, I watched, I did watch Ted Lasso. Uh, the wife and I watched that. I think that's the sweet spot for me. I need something that's about that long, that you can kind of watch on demand when, you know, you're not refereeing WWE between the boys in the basement.

• 1:38:49Speaker 04

  Do you have a favorite sport to watch?

• 1:38:51Speaker 07

  Whatever is-

• 1:38:51Speaker 04

  Whatever's on?

• 1:38:52Speaker 07

  Well, I wouldn't say that. Like, I love college basketball. I love the tournament. When the Stanley Cup is on, I'm, I'm mesmerized by that. Like, playoff hockey overtime is the most tense thing there is, because at any moment, the game just ends. And then when I'm watching that, I'm like, there's nothing that's cooler than this. Uh, but then, like, look, college football, you turn it on if it's a big, big 10 game, a big SEC game, whatever, whatever league, I don't care. Uh, but then, like, when we're at Monday Night Football, and it's, you know, a couple of years ago, when, you know, when Philly came to Arrowhead, like, it, you knew what that, that, the stakes were high for a regular season night. There was juice that was real, that's hard to fab, hard to manufacture. So I guess what I'm saying is,

• 1:39:35Speaker 07

  I'm, I'm real, whichever way the wind blows. The place that I'm at right now, I'm just, I love that. And I love baseball. It's just that it gets, you know, by August, and we're dragging, you know, it's, you're just waiting for football to kick at that point. But then, when we get to the playoffs, man, playoff baseball is incredibly intense, too. So, uh, I, I, I'm like you all, man. I, I grew up with it. I love it. And whatever we got tonight, I'm, I'm excited, because something will happen that I don't know is gonna happen.

• 1:40:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:40:02Travis Kelce?

  Well, one last question for you, big guy. What are your Mount Rushmore of SportsCenter top 10 plays?

• 1:40:08Speaker 07

  The all-time greatest plays ever?

• 1:40:11Travis Kelce?

  Of yours.

• 1:40:12Speaker 04

  Not to put you on the spot.

• 1:40:13Travis Kelce?

  Of yours that you just.

• 1:40:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:15Speaker 07

  For me?

• 1:40:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Yes.

• 1:40:18Speaker 07

  Things that happened to me, though, or things I did on SportsCenter?

• 1:40:21Travis Kelce?

  Um.

• 1:40:22Speaker 07

  Or things I saw, things I called.

• 1:40:24Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:40:25Speaker 07

  Bro, your boy's done.

• 1:40:28Speaker 04

  That's a lot of stuff. Just tell us to fuck off. Just tell us to fuck off. This is where you just tell us to fuck off.

• 1:40:33Speaker 07

  Fuck off.

• 1:40:34Travis Kelce?

  Thank you. Scott, ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:40:40Speaker 07

  I'm old and feeble. This brain is mush and I've done a lot of shows, man. I, I, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

• 1:40:47Travis Kelce?

  Already so many fucking golden stories, man. Thank you for your time, brother. We appreciate you.

• 1:40:53Speaker 07

  Hey, listen, continued success in all things, boys. You guys.

• 1:40:56Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

• 1:40:57Speaker 07

  Yeah. Be grateful for, for what we get to do. I know you guys are and do, but I think it's important that people hear that, you know? That Ember story I told, I just, I'm sincere about it, you know, the going to the Masters, being present, being grateful. I just think that's a great sort of place to stay. I try my best. That's, I love, I love what you guys have. I love the bond. I love you guys sharing your lives with people because they're interested and, you know, it's fun to stop in and say hello. So, uh, keep doing what you guys are doing.

• 1:41:26Travis Kelce?

  You're the best, brother.

• 1:41:27Speaker 04

  Complete honor to have you on, Scott. Thank you so much.

• 1:41:29Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, dude.

• 1:41:30Speaker 04

  You're the best.

• 1:41:31Speaker 07

  All right. Fuck, fuck off.

• 1:41:32Speaker 04

  Scott Van Pelt, everyone.

• 1:41:38Travis Kelce?

  Fucking gold, man.

• 1:41:40Speaker 04

  How awesome was that?

• 1:41:43Speaker 04

  Told you, man. Guy's the best.

• 1:41:45Travis Kelce?

  It just felt like we were in the living room and he was just speaking the gospel to us, like telling us like the stuff that his father said.

• 1:41:53Travis Kelce?

  How he's still, dude, just an all time great dude.

• 1:41:56Speaker 04

  He's just an all timer, man.

• 1:41:57Travis Kelce?

  Can tell a story like nobody else, man. And yeah, I mean, leaves in the gutter forever.

• 1:42:09Travis Kelce?

  Let's keep it moving.

• 1:42:10Speaker 04

  Let's get to some No Dumb Questions, brought to you by Perplexity. That's right. We've spent most, so much time on this show looking up answers. We are now sponsored by a search engine. How about that? Shout out to Perplexity. Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity today. From M. No Dumb Questions. If you could make one of your body parts detachable, which would it be and why?

• 1:42:33Travis Kelce?

  Detachable?

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  It's a very weird question, M. I'll wait for you to answer first.

• 1:42:39Speaker 04

  What would I want to be detachable?

• 1:42:42Travis Kelce?

  I don't know, maybe my ears, so I wouldn't have to hear people?

• 1:42:46Speaker 04

  That's what I was, I was thinking too. You can right away, just like

• 1:42:48Travis Kelce?

  Nose, nose, cuz I think, I think smells can be-

• 1:42:53Speaker 04

  You're going senses.

• 1:42:55Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I think smells can be a little more-

• 1:42:58Speaker 04

  There's some manis in the area. You don't want to have to smell that.

• 1:43:01Travis Kelce?

  I'm not trying to smell that shit.

• 1:43:04Travis Kelce?

  I'm going senses though. I'm going ears or nose.

• 1:43:07Speaker 04

  Ears or nose. Ears would be nice. Trying to get some shut eye, trying to go to sleep, just take ears off.

• 1:43:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  Sleep tight.

• 1:43:13Travis Kelce?

  That's real nice. Then you're never waking up. You have to get something that shakes the room or something.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  Alright, I'm just gonna throw it out there.

• 1:43:23Speaker 04

  I mean, if we're being honest, it usually just gets in the way.

• 1:43:26Travis Kelce?

  Jason.

• 1:43:27Speaker 04

  I mean, it's an inconvenient appendage at, at times. I mean, listen, I'm very happy I have one.

• 1:43:34Travis Kelce?

  The ball, ball and chain?

• 1:43:35Speaker 04

  I feel like it's a one, I think, I think it's a one.

• 1:43:38Travis Kelce?

  No, there's two different-

• 1:43:39Speaker 04

  It's a one stop shop. I think it's, I think it's all the same appendage.

• 1:43:43Travis Kelce?

  I don't think that's how it works.

• 1:43:44Speaker 04

  So you can't, if you could just take it all off, I mean, it would just, it would eradicate, I mean, it just gets in the way sometimes, you know what I mean? Like if you're running, you gotta think there'd be less friction without that in between your legs trying to play sports, right?

• 1:44:00Travis Kelce?

  I don't think about it. It doesn't bother me at all.

• 1:44:02Speaker 04

  And then it feel like you could take, I mean, let's just be honest. If you can detach it, that means you could probably attach an upgraded one. You know what I mean? You could go bigger. Assuming it's like a universal connection point, I could attach another one.

• 1:44:23Travis Kelce?

  You're a fucking psychopath, man. Ah, I was waiting for you to make it make sense and you're, you never disappoint. No, there you go.

• 1:44:32Speaker 04

  Like, is it like the iPhone charger where they went to all just USB C? Like, we're going to one standard connection, uh, whatever thing those are called?

• 1:44:41Travis Kelce?

  They are hilarious.

• 1:44:43Speaker 04

  I thought one of the things is we're asking perplexity these questions.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  What question would you like me to ask the machine real quick? I'll do it. I'll do it for you, Jason.

• 1:44:50Speaker 04

  What is?

• 1:44:51Speaker 03

  What is?

• 1:44:52Travis Kelce?

  What is?

• 1:44:53Speaker 04

  What is the best body part to make detachable?

• 1:44:57Speaker 03

  Okay. We'll see where this goes. What is the best body part to make?

• 1:45:04Speaker 03

  Appendix boring, tonsils boring, gallbladder.

• 1:45:10Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:45:10Speaker 03

  Ooh, arm, hand, legs, head.

• 1:45:14Speaker 04

  Head. That's like, uh, what is that Futurama where the heads are detachable?

• 1:45:20Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Get a new body. Just get a whole new body.

• 1:45:23Speaker 04

  Not a bad, I wouldn't mind that.

• 1:45:25Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:45:26Speaker 04

  It's a great answer for perplexity.

• 1:45:27Travis Kelce?

  You're already, you already mentioned you wanted.

• 1:45:31Speaker 04

  Why would I make my dick detachable? I can just make my head detachable and put it on somebody with a bigger dick.

• 1:45:42Travis Kelce?

  Brandon, why did you even, why did you even go to perplexity?

• 1:45:46Speaker 03

  Cause he asked me to. My job is to do what you guys asked me to do. I don't.

• 1:45:51Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious.

• 1:45:54Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:45:56Speaker 04

  Alright, perplexity wins.

• 1:45:58Travis Kelce?

  Every time.

• 1:46:00Speaker 03

  Can you imagine coat checking your dick?

• 1:46:06Travis Kelce?

  Hilarious. Coat checking your dick is fucking funny.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna need this tonight. Can you hold on to this?

• 1:46:13Speaker 04

  What did dad used to say, uh?

• 1:46:15Travis Kelce?

  Fanny pack?

• 1:46:15Speaker 04

  You'd lose your dick if it wasn't attached. I think it's what daddy used to tell us.

• 1:46:19Travis Kelce?

  He used to tell me that all the fucking time.

• 1:46:21Speaker 04

  Maybe that's where I thought of this immediately. You're right, dad. I don't want it to be detachable because I would definitely, I would lose that motherfucker.

• 1:46:27Speaker 03

  Jason, you of all people, your dick would be like in the car in a sock.

• 1:46:33Travis Kelce?

  That's funny as fuck.

• 1:46:34Speaker 04

  My fucking dog would eat it. I'd find it. Baloo's got it in his mouth. I get it.

• 1:46:39Speaker 03

  Jason Kelce.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  Dick is lost in a vat of chili.

• 1:46:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right. We don't want that to be detachable.

• 1:46:47Speaker 03

  You need to keep that attached.

• 1:46:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not responsible enough to have a detachable dick.

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  Jake, Jake, you're always like, what do I make quote cards? What do I make quote cards? There's your quote card for the week, Jake. Make that a graphic, put it out immediately. Jesus Christ, rap, let's hit the brackets. Let's get out of here. God damn it.

• 1:47:10Travis Kelce?

  All right. That does it for No Dumb Questions, brought to you by Perplexity. Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity today. Let's move on to some March Madness Challenge updates. That's right. We're, uh, we're all the way to the final four.

• 1:47:25Speaker 04

  Oh, where are we sitting? Where are we sitting?

• 1:47:26Travis Kelce?

  First time in a long time, the men's final four is all one seeds. It's only happened one time before from our data.

• 1:47:36Speaker 04

  Thanks a lot, NIL. Thanks a lot.

• 1:47:40Travis Kelce?

  Love it. Nice. Auburn, Houston, Duke and Florida for the men's bracket. And, uh, let's take a quick look at the leaderboard for the New Heights March Madness Challenge and a quest for the Golden Cup. Demetrius Assrat, um, is, uh, on top of the leaderboard with Jeremy Went.

• 1:47:59Speaker 04

  It's going to come down to the Houston and Duke matchup.

• 1:48:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's a good point. I guess that is.

• 1:48:03Speaker 04

  They play this round, right?

• 1:48:05Travis Kelce?

  I think there's a few other things that could go into it too, but yes.

• 1:48:08Speaker 04

  Like who else? 181, whoever wins that game is probably gonna, I guess, it depends on who their other final four team is and then who, yeah.

• 1:48:16Travis Kelce?

  I don't know how these, these points work. I think it matters also who wins the other game too, and who those two picked. But, uh, Demetrius Jeremy, congratulations on getting it to this point. That's pretty damn good.

• 1:48:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, somebody's gonna win it.

• 1:48:28Travis Kelce?

  Amy Waldrip is up there. Uh, so is Amanda Fryass, Casey Qualls, Nicole Winkle.

• 1:48:37Speaker 04

  This is still anybody's game. I mean, these.

• 1:48:39Travis Kelce?

  Everybody's, everybody's kind of right there. Everybody's kind of right there. So, um, shout out to, uh, to all of them for, uh, making it, making it this far. Yeah. The tie for first and a little five-way tie for second. The women's final four is UConn, UCLA, South Carolina and the University of Texas. That's, uh, Brandon writing that and me just reading it. 92 percenters, uh, the standings are just two points separate first place and a three-way tie for second. Shout out to Nick Sterling, Adam Aun, um, and, uh,

• 1:49:15Travis Kelce?

  Cody, I'm just gonna say Cody, cuz that's a crazy last name and Katie Plummer, shout out to Katie. Going into the final weekend, here are our New Heights team standings, the men's bracket. Brandon is winning by one point. Surprise, surprise, Jason is dead last.

• 1:49:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm out. I'm out.

• 1:49:34Travis Kelce?

  And in the women's bracket, though, Jason, you got me by a point right now.

• 1:49:40Speaker 04

  My average height of roster is paying off.

• 1:49:45Travis Kelce?

  You got me by one point.

• 1:49:48Speaker 04

  Although I, yep, I had UConn and South Carolina. Well, we'll see.

• 1:49:53Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, it's, uh, it's gonna be a fun final four. I'm pumped. You got, uh, obviously, all the one seeds in the men's bracket. Um, the women's bracket is getting real, uh, real exciting here going into the final four. I'm just, um, I'm pumped, man. There's, there's just something about March Madness that's just, it keeps me glued to the TV.

• 1:50:10Speaker 04

  It's the best. It really is. It's great. It's, it's

• 1:50:13Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

• 1:50:13Speaker 04

  Great TV happening, live sports happening all day, or in the tail end of it where it's only at night now, which kinda sucks, but these are the best games, too. So

• 1:50:22Travis Kelce?

  You know it.

• 1:50:23Speaker 04

  Gonna be a great week of basketball, baby. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the New Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:50:42Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by HBO's The Last of Us, premiering soon here in April. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Thanks to the production and crew, uh, for always, uh, editing out what we shouldn't say, Jason.

• 1:51:03Speaker 04

  There's things we're not supposed to say.

• 1:51:04Travis Kelce?

  And to the 92%ers, love you guys. We'll see you next week.