Who Is Andrew Wilson? | PBD Podcast | Ep. 707

Andrew Wilson joins the PBD Podcast for a wide-ranging conversation on faith, power, debate culture, feminism, Islam, progressivism, and modern masculinity. He shares his personal story, explains his confrontational debate style, and breaks down why he believes cultural battles are ultimately battles over values. ------ Ⓜ️ CONNECT WITH ANDREW ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/3Neb5yC ✝️ FAITH OVER FEAR COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3MIFOUu 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @HerTakePod @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Your eyes have a look and there's rage behind it.

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Rage?

• 0:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you have rage and a look that you trust nobody.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  In this industry, you can't trust anybody. All these holier-than-thou sewing circle Christians. How could you do this? And I'm thinking, shut up, you lying snake. Let me pat you on the head and read gospel. That doesn't work. You have to destroy worldviews before you can replace worldviews. If you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize them. And that's why, sir, I hate the left. I hate leftists with every fiber of my being. I know that that's bad. As a Christian, you're not supposed to hate people. I get that, but I really hate them. Progressives have been running around calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy-ass values fascists. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns, the state-issued garment of the mask. They gave us a fascist state. That's what they do. It was really funny.

• 0:50Speaker 01

  Fuentes used to say, "America first is inevitable." And then the left made it inevitable. How can you have guys like Nick Fuentes making such momentum? And it's like, he's a product of you. All you gotta do is go look in the mirror to see who's responsible for it, you dumb lefties.

• 1:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want to ask you, what is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology or Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate?

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives are useful idiots. So as long as Muslims can use left-wingers for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left overwhelmingly. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. Here's the way I view the world. If Christians aren't in charge, somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so this is a race for power. You're either gonna be ruled by the lunatics of the world, or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world.

• 2:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew Wilson, how you doing buddy?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Good, how are you?

• 2:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Good, it's good to have you on. I saw, uh, we messaged a couple of times on, on, uh, was it X or?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it was X.

• 2:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I'm like, listen, you're everywhere and I want to learn more about you, so here we are.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Well, thank you for having me.

• 2:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  Your team's treating me very well, I appreciate that. You can always tell a lot about a person by how they treat other people.

• 2:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we, we, it's so funny you're saying this, you know who said this? Uh, who said this yesterday, Rob? Pompliano said it yesterday on the Business Podcast. But Andrew, you, you're all over the place when I see your clips. You know, debate, fire, you know, you're making friends every day. I can tell you're a guy that likes to make new friends.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And, uh,

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Very well loved.

• 2:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, very well loved and, and you had a very nice debate with a, a fellow who we had on the podcast as well, Daniel Hargiagiu. You guys went at it and you, you were given a lot of stats that day.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, a lot of stats and if the audience doesn't recognize it, we will show the clip here in a minute. But prior to going into, you know, the stuff that you're doing today, I want to learn more about your story, how you came up. Off camera, you were telling me about a couple of other guys we were talking about, we don't need to mention their names, of how they came up and I told you I know nothing about the gaming world. You told me how much I'm missing out and that I should consider getting into it. But tell me-

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Absolutely not.

• 3:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Tell me about how you got into the space.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Uh, by total accident. I, uh, never belonged there to begin with. I was, uh, I worked with my hands, I was a robotics mechanic. And I started as an industrial mechanic and then worked my way into, uh, into being a robotics mechanic and during the COVID-19 lockdowns, progressives who I just really hate, I mean, I really hate them. And I know I'm not supposed to, I know that that's bad. As a Christian, you're not supposed to hate people, I get that. But I really hate them and, um, so I would argue with them constantly on Facebook and these other, you know, like these other platforms, it's just a nobody. But they started having these little panels, some of them, you know, they'd have like, uh, little video panels.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Everybody was bored because COVID was going on, you know, so I started crashing those panels. And that made its way over to YouTube and um then I started getting debates with you know, people who I guess were big names. I didn't know who they were at the time. I didn't know who any of these people were. I didn't know anything about YouTube. Yeah, I didn't know anything about any of these people. I just knew that they were assholes. So, so I was happy to take them on.

• 4:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So, pre-COVID, you're not on YouTube, you're not on podcasts, pre-COVID, you're doing nothing. You're a robotics guy doing your thing, minding your own business.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  I had no intention at all. If you would have asked me five years ago, if I would be an entertainer who has one of the most super chatted channels in the United States, I would have laughed at you.

• 4:50Patrick Bet-David?

  That is insane.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  I would have laughed at you, been like, no, I don't know anything about entertainment. I don't know anything about any of this. Um, and here's, here's what that should show you. What that should show you is that a person who just at the time had only a basic grasp of logic, just a basic grasp of logic. Um, now I've since refined that very well, right? It's part of my job. I take my job seriously. Um, was able to make those kinds of inroads. That's how bad discourse has fallen in the collective intelligence of people. It's bad.

• 5:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Who were you in high school? 14, 15 years old? Who was Andrew Wilson?

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Um, you know, I moved, I moved around quite a bit. Uh, so I never got too firm of a footing anywhere. I was, uh, usually only in a place for maybe three, four years. I wouldn't say I was popular, but not unpopular, you know, just, just normal, just a normal guy.

• 5:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you a math guy? Were you an athlete? Were you a, you know, 4.2 GPA?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  I was more of a delinquent, like, uh,

• 5:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You were more than, more than delinquent?

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was more like, uh, cut school whenever I could.

• 5:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you smoking? Were you the guy that would smoke pot and go and have theories? Like, I had a friend of mine that would smoke a lot and he was such an interesting guy to speak because he was brilliant. Was you, were you that guy?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I was a different type. I was more like the cut school, have a cigarette, go over, hang out at the Burger King, anything I could do to avoid, um, you know, formal, formal school I did. It was, I knew then, I guess intuitively, That school was a waste of time. It was a complete and total waste of time for me.

• 6:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you a reader? Were you somebody that was naturally like?

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:23Patrick Bet-David?

  At what age did you start reading?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I started really early, so I was, um, I was gifted in that category. So how it was explained to me was that people who are really, really, really good at math are often really terrible in the arena of reading and, uh, and knowledge recall and vice versa. I was never great at math, but I was always excellent with, uh, with reading and comprehension and things like this. So, yeah, I just never had any problems in that domain.

• 6:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the male figure in your life?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  My dad.

• 6:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Your dad?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me about your dad. What, what did your dad do?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  He, uh, well, he had a rough story. I don't know if I've really, I don't really talk about myself too much. Um, it's just not my thing, but my dad, he was, um, he was an entertainer. He grew up in the California area in Covina and, um, my grandfather, he was in the Army Air Corps in World War II. There was no Air Force at the time. He was in the Army Air Corps. And, uh, he got married young. My dad was the oldest of four and, uh, he was an entertainer in Covina. At 18, he was playing private clubs and things like this. He was a singer. And then Vietnam rolled around and he got drafted and he didn't want to go in the army, so he joined the Air Force.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  And when he joined the, he joined the Air Force, he went and he served and he got back home and he found out that his wife was, you know, fucking around on him. So that was pretty rough.

• 7:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not, not, that's not your mother. That's somebody else.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, uh, that's, yeah, some, somebody else's mother.

• 7:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Anyway.

• 7:54Patrick Bet-David?

  What a mother, you know, you shoot.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  So anyway, um, after, after that happens, he was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and told he was gonna die. So he moved in with my grandparents and, uh, readied himself for the, uh, for the end, essentially. Uh, he met my-

• 8:11Patrick Bet-David?

  How old was he at that time?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  This time, I believe he is late twenties. And so, um, a couple, he made a slight recovery, kind of a rally. And he met my mom and, uh, and they got married fairly quickly within, within a year or two. And, um, luckily she was a nurse and she's been taking care of him ever since.

• 8:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Since, they're still together.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And so what did he do after entertainment? Cause I, I know Wes Covina, but what did he do after entertainment?

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Uh, he had a basically odd jobs. He stayed at home with us. My mom worked because he was very sick. And so he stayed at home and took care of the kids. That was what he did.

• 8:49Patrick Bet-David?

  The other way around.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, he had to. He was, he was too sick to work.

• 8:54Patrick Bet-David?

  So, well, you said he's your male, uh, uh, figure that you looked up to. So what did, how did he raise you? What did he teach you? Did he teach you toughness? Was it mental? Was it reading?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  He taught me, he taught me something much more important than all of that, which was how to think. More than anything else, it was how to think. It was, um, what he taught me early on was most people, the things that they say, they have no justification for any of the things they say. And most of them are just repeating something somebody else said. And the sooner you realize that, the sooner you realize how you can get.

• 9:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Powerful thing to say.

• 9:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'll realize how to get to the truth.

• 9:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  How you get to the truth of everything quickly.

• 9:30Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you, so what was his opinion on how to do that?

• 9:33Speaker 01

  His opinion on how to do that was to ask him, how do you know that? How do you, and, and where did you, you know, where did you learn that? How do you, how do you actually know that that is the case?

• 9:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he a Scientologist or was he a Christian?

• 9:45Speaker 01

  He was a Christian.

• 9:46Patrick Bet-David?

  He was a Christian.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Cause you know, that's a, that's what they teach in Scientology.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 9:50Patrick Bet-David?

  In Scientology, one of the first things they teach you is when, you know, when somebody says something, it's how do you know that? Let's go look up the exact definition. What is the true meaning of that to want to get to the bottom of the source? But, uh,

• 10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, he wasn't, uh, yeah, no, not a Scientologist at all. He, what he was, was a guy who was taught from a different era, how to think. Um, you know, he was, uh, he was an old man for his time, let's say. You know, he was a product of the forties essentially. Um, and yeah, he, he knew how to think and he still knows how to think. He's still alive. And, you know, even though they gave him a toe tag with multiple sclerosis, said you're gonna die. Uh, he beat all odds. But that's what he taught me. That's what he taught all of us.

• 10:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your age difference between the two, you and your father?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Uh,

• 10:36Patrick Bet-David?

  How old was he when you were born?

• 10:39Speaker 01

  You know, I don't, I don't know. I'd have to think about it. I'm not sure. Let's see, he was born.

• 10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  My dad was thirty seven.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  He was born in forty, I wanna say forty two.

• 10:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So he's eighty three. My dad's also nineteen forty two.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  What month's his birthday?

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Uh, his is in July.

• 10:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, mine's April tenth. Interesting. So how old are you?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  I'm forty one.

• 10:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You're forty one. So, so then you, you, uh, thirty ish, uh, uh, when you were born. So wasn't an older father? It was a younger father, relatively, you know, the, the age that you, you go through.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  I don't mean old as in physically old. I mean, his mind was trained.

• 11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Totally get it.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, his mind was trained by somebody from an older generation.

• 11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is his, which is your grandfather.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Which was my grandfather.

• 11:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, was it, was it, uh, like, if your, if your father was, we went to dinner tonight and your father's with us. Is he a debate guy? Is he a guy that'll sit there quietly? Does he push back? Does he argue? Is he argumentative?

• 11:34Speaker 01

  He's, he's not this, no, he's not.

• 11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Agreeable?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  He's not the same way I am at all. Um, my dad has a very commanding presence. So, and he's extraordinarily likeable. What happens? You go out to dinner with him, you sit down, within five minutes, you wanna hear everything he's ever had to say about everything. That's the type of guy he is. The type of guy he's always been. He's a very, very respectable guy and a very respectable guy.

• 11:56Patrick Bet-David?

  How many of you guys? How many kids did your mom and him have?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Well, he had two with, with my mom. My mom had two children from a previous marriage and then he had three from a previous, from his first marriage.

• 12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Seven total?

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Total.

• 12:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So two, it's from same mom and dad?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  And are you guys seven close to each other?

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Not really. The, the ones I was immediately raised with, we are, the, the four of us, which would be my mom's two children from her previous marriage. And we were raised so closely together, I actually didn't even realize that we weren't, we were half brother and half sister. It had to be explained to me when I.

• 12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That means they did a great job.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it had to be explained to me, but you know, when I was ten or twelve, and I still didn't really get it.

• 12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  You know, like it just, I just didn't think of it that way.

• 12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Makes sense.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So is there a common pattern between the four kids that were raised by your father and mother? Like, is there a? Common threat that somebody would notice on mindset, on, you know, values, on certain principles.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  They don't take no shit from nobody.

• 13:00Patrick Bet-David?

  None of them.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  None of them.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So is your dad from Covina, or did your grandpa move from somewhere else to Covina? Or was he also from?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  He was raised in Covina.

• 13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So your grandpa's also Covina?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Okay, so don't take shit from nobody.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Nah, doesn't take any shit from anybody. But also, all of them can comprehensively think. That's the most important part. They don't have presuppositional thinking. Instead, they were, all of us were taught how to get to the heart of an issue very quickly by having this kind of, this precept understanding that most people, the things that they say are actually untrue. And they did not come to those thoughts on their own. They came to those thoughts because somebody else gave them to them. Most people can't control their thinking. They don't know how. That's something you've learned. That's not, that's not something you're born with. Uh, most people, they don't think their own thoughts. And most of the thoughts that are in their head are put in their head from some other source. Very rarely do you find that people came to a position on their own. It's actually

• 13:58Speaker 01

  very rare.

• 13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So, uh, uh, one would argue that and say, uh, you came to the positions you have if your parents are Christians. It is true, but what you're saying is traditionally, we will do what our parents will believe in because of values, respect, honor, you know, comfort, you know, certain thing that we recognize, you know, we, we see. So how do, how do you view yourself as somebody that is that? That you question things to get to the bottom of it? How do you know that you're actually doing it yourself?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  By eliminating presupposition and using logic. Logic has laws, governing laws. And when you eliminate presupposition, you get to the standard of why it is that you have a position. You realize most positions you have are completely unjustified.

• 14:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Give, give me a case. Give me an idea like, you know, you have a lot of topics that you guys talk about, so.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Pick one and just go through it.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Let me give you a case, okay? Uh, why would it be that incest is wrong?

• 14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Why would it be that incest is wrong?

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Let's say, let's say you had two brothers, they're twin brothers, and they're in an incestuous relationship.

• 15:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Why is that actually wrong?

• 15:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if I go get data and data shows me.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Data has to be interpreted.

• 15:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Data has to be interpreted.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  And so even if you interpret that it has bad outcomes, so what? All relationships have the potential for bad outcomes. What makes it actually wrong?

• 15:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  No, you tell me.

• 15:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You're asking me the question.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  I'm asking you the question.

• 15:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Um, it, it, I go in two places. I go one logic, I go one values and principles.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Okay, well logically.

• 15:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, then logically, I would go get the data. If I go get the data and the data shows me that incest produces better high IQ, safer communities, job creators, independent, crime is low, incredible society, great inventions, great innovations, then I would say maybe we ought to entertain it.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Okay, but what if it's the case that data shows the opposite of that? But there's just one case. It's just one case of twin brothers doing it. That's it, just those guys. Is that wrong? Is that wrong of them to do it?

• 16:09Patrick Bet-David?

  And the data of one twin brother's doing it.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got one set of twin brothers are doing this, nobody else in the community is. What makes that actually wrong?

• 16:21Patrick Bet-David?

  From, from data standpoint, that's a different story. From the value standpoint, I would go to, you know, spiritual, you know, a denomination, I'm a non-denominational Christian and according to my values and principles, that is not the right way to live.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  And that's why, sir, I hate the left. You just mapped it out perfectly. This is exactly why I hate leftists with every fiber of my being.

• 16:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Because what you just gave me was an attempt at an epistemic justification, right? The knowledge for why this thing is wrong is based on the value set that I have, which I'm going to try to spiritually justify, right? The leftists can't do that. Why? Because they're atheistic by nature and they're cynics by nature as well. They can never give you a justification for why something like that's wrong. So when you ask them a question like that in a debate, they just bite the bullet. It's not wrong.

• 17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Without needing to give an argument.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  They don't need to give an argument. They just don't think it's wrong. It isn't wrong.

• 17:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, so, let me, let me ask a question because you're in this thing more than I am.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 17:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're in it on a daily basis. I've been around people for a long time and I built businesses where I had to attracted people from all walks of life. Nationality, ethnicity, it doesn't matter. It was one of the best exercises because I would learn about culture, you know, whether it's the difference between somebody that's Mexican from Michoacan versus a Mexican from Jalisco versus a Mexican from Zacatecas versus, you know, El Salvador versus Guatemalan versus Jews versus, you know, all, all these different types of things you look at, right?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 17:57Patrick Bet-David?

  So, and then, you look at them like, I meet somebody, I'm like, why do you believe in socialism? Why do you believe in, you know, one time I'm in a dinner with a guy who is about to marry a, a girl and we're going out there to learn about her for the first time. He was one of my main players in the company and I'm sitting there listening to her talk. And we go into this argument of, you know, gay rights is like civil rights. I said, gay rights are civil rights. I said, yeah, tell me why. And she starts trying to give this argument. I said, do you believe in what she's saying? And he doesn't know what to say, so he sides with me. Cause he's a, he's a very much a Christian conservative himself.

• 18:37Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's stuck in this sphere that he doesn't know what to do. So, eventually, I keep continuing to talk to her because I want to learn why she believes in what she believes in. So, do you think progressives can help themselves? Because they're born that way? And do you think you are who you are because you were born that way? Or, do you think you are who you are and believe in what you believe in because your father taught you well? Where if your father was, let's pick a man. If your father was Gavin Newsom, you would have been a very different human being.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  I think it's both. I think that you're a product of genes and environment. Just like an alcoholic. You could have a propensity for alcoholism, but if no alcohol is present, right, you never have to worry about being an alcoholic. This is the same exact thing with environment versus genetics. I do think that I have some predispositions to some types of behaviors. And if I was raised by a leftist, perhaps I would engage in a more left-wing attitude towards things for a while, until I started questioning things. Now, I didn't come to the view, my father's view, completely because he taught it to me. I came to it because when I rebelled against it, it was disastrous.

• 19:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me about that time.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, I was essentially a delinquent in my, my early twenties. I mean, um, I was very-

• 19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But what contradicted the values he taught you? Like, what behavior did you do that contradicted what he was saying?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  I was promiscuous. I moved away from, uh, from God. I moved away from the teachings of Jesus Christ. I moved away from everything.

• 20:09Patrick Bet-David?

  For how long?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Years, uh, let's see, probably a good seven years.

• 20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  How bad was the fall?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  I mean, it wasn't so terrible that I was robbing liquor stores, but it was bad enough that I became part of the apparatus of the delinquent portion of the world. I didn't care about very much. It would not, nothing was particularly important to me. It was a very nihilistic mindset, and most of it was, uh, based purely around materialistic goals and the idea of self-gain. None of it, in other words, there was nothing I was engaging in that wasn't completely selfish and self-centered, not a single thing, in retrospect.

• 20:50Patrick Bet-David?

  What brought you back?

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Um, I think my wife ultimately brought me back. She seemed to see something in me. She seemed to see something good in me.

• 21:00Patrick Bet-David?

  How'd you guys meet?

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Uh, we actually met online, you know, uh, believe it or not, and, uh, she had children, and we dated, and we had a real rocky start, you know what I mean? But, uh, she just, she just didn't give up on me, man.

• 21:14Patrick Bet-David?

  At that time, if I knew you, would I have considered you a Christian nationalist, you know, conservative? Would I have said, the day she met you?

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would have considered me like a cringe libertarian, you know, self-centered jerk, probably.

• 21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  A cringe libertarian, self-centered jerk?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me an example of someone that's like that today, where I could kind of, uh-

• 21:34Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know. I guess ideologically, let's say Dave Smith.

• 21:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Okay. Not, I'm not saying that Dave Smith is a delinquent jerk.

• 21:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You just called him a cringe.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, I'm saying that he is a, that he is a cringe libertarian and I would say it to his face. Okay. And have, I've debated with Dave many times and one every time. But anyway, the, the, the point is, is.

• 22:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you guys, I'm assuming you guys are friends?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're friends. Yeah. I've got no problems with Dave at all. Nothing but nice things to say about him. He's always been very kind to me. Um, but the delinquent part would be, I don't know. Yeah. Just take like, um, just the typical guy who really doesn't care as far as dating goes. Is willing to rack up bodies, is willing to, to bang random chicks, doesn't really care.

• 22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So she was one of the, maybe the second reason outside of your dad for you to go back to being a Christian. Values, conservative values. Would you say she influenced that?

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Probably more than any other individual, yes.

• 22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Including dad?

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Including dad.

• 22:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me, what, what was the reason?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  I think because when you have somebody who has that kind of faith in you. They have that kind of trust in you, that kind of faith in you, and they lean that heavily on you. And they just, they put all of that faith in you. It's hard for you not to begin to re-categorize things in life. And one of the things you have to re-categorize is, you know, it's not all about me. You know, this really isn't all about me. There's, uh, now there's kids involved, you know? There's a woman involved. There's other aspects of life here which transcend what I might want for me. And the idea that somebody puts the type of faith in you that, um, that you can lead in that type of situation.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Very, I think that more than any other single thing, that probably brought my faith back to me.

• 23:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So was, was it a first time where somebody spoke hope and belief in you? Like I believe in you, you're capable of doing something bigger. Was it, was it a language like that?

• 23:38Speaker 01

  First time.

• 23:39Patrick Bet-David?

  First time in your life?

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Really?

• 23:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's magical. By the way, it's funny you say that because to me. The first time in my life I experienced that language was a guy by a guy named Kogan. When I was about to reenlist in the army, I'm 20 years old, he calls me, speaks that language to me. And I'm at, at that time, I'm just a regular punk that's partying six days a week. I'm in the army just, you know, living.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  What was your MOS?

• 24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  63 Bravo. I was armor mechanic. I was living a, by the way, we, Vinny and I almost reenlisted last night after the president gave 1750 dollars.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  We seriously almost, I almost called Pete Heck out.

• 24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't, all three, me, you and Rob were like, listen guys, let's just go. They, they wouldn't let Adam though. Adam, there was like, you can't show him, they won't let him go. Tom's above the age.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  It wasn't that long ago, you get 50,000 bucks for signing up.

• 24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  1750, that's real money.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  So 1,405, yeah.

• 24:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but let me tell you, I actually like the fact that he's doing that because it's active, 1.45 million people he's giving that to, but going back to it. He spoke that language. I did not know what that sounded like. And the language was why I shouldn't reenlist in the army and I should get out because I can make it as a civilian. And up until that point, I was the fun guy you would go and have a party with and I was

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Sounds like me.

• 24:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Very good at math and I couldn't stand anything else. I was the opposite of you. I was the math guy. I was a guy that had an easy time with calculus or math analysis or trigonometry. That was my world. I was, I see everything through numbers, but so. Wife speaks that language. You've never had this experience. Then you say, I need somebody like this in my life. Then you guys get married.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Well, it wasn't, it wasn't quite that uncomplex, but yeah, essentially, um, you know, we dated for a few years and then got married, yes.

• 25:18Patrick Bet-David?

  How long have you guys been together?

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Uh, total 18 years.

• 25:22Patrick Bet-David?

  18 years.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, married for 12 of it.

• 25:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Married 12, together 18 years. Okay. So now, you, uh, somebody who doesn't know you, doesn't know your story. Cause I don't know if your story's been told, like I didn't know anything about your background, what you just shared right now. So if somebody doesn't know you and a. Guy, your age, at that time when you met your wife, comes up to you and says, hey, uh, uh, I'm falling in love with a girl who's got two kids from previous marriage, but I love her. She treats me like no one else has in my life before. What advice would you give him?

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Well, it was more complex than that. She had three children. She had a previous marriage, and then she had children from her high school sweetheart. This was a massive failure of parenting on her parents' fault, on her, yeah, it was very complex web there, but, uh, her mother suffered from severe mental illness and was a militant feminist, and-

• 26:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Militant feminist, what a combination. I wanna do podcasts with her.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Brought a, brought a pedophile into the home.

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  And, uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was a real mess for her. So, anyway, her dad fought, got custody, thank God, but she, yeah, she had a rough, she had a rough background, for sure.

• 26:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so what would you say to that guy? What would you say to a guy the age of the same age when he met your wife, hey, I'm meeting somebody, complicated background, more I'm learning about her, it's a lot of, you know, issues and drama.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Because I'll tell you, I, I dated a girl, I'm with her for three years, love her, I won't even give stories, but her upbringing was completely messed up, and I go and talk to my pastor about it, and my pastor's advice was, whatever you don't like now, it's just gonna get worse.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's gonna get more. And so I stepped away from the relationship, and I, I went a completely different route, and, uh, no father figure in the picture, it was, it was, it was opposite. For yours, her father came in and saved, which is actually good, she felt protected. I don't know if I've heard of militant feminists, I'd love to meet her, sincerely, I'd love to meet her.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  No, you wouldn't.

• 27:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, what, what I'm saying is, I would love to see how much of a whack job, or how entertaining, and why she believes in what she believes in. But what advice would you give to a guy today? Who's like you in your sphere, he kinda looks up to you, is like, "Man, I'm thirty, here's where I'm at, I'm twenty-six." What advice would you give to him? Same exact situation, meets the same exact girl that you were with.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Well, there's two things. The first is, uh, I don't generally do the advice thing, and here's why. Without really intricately understanding a person's situation, inside and out, you generally, well, this has just been my experience, you can actually give them advice which is very damaging to them. If you don't actually know them inside and out. But, to engage with the question itself, I would say, "Look, this, there's a lot of complicated factors." And you need to really assess all those factors, because most of these types of relationships do not work out. And that's a fact. Uh, mine was an outlier. It did, right? But there was a lot of pain, a lot of agony, that went into that. There was a lot of rewards, too. But there was a lot of pain and agony, and she would tell him the exact same thing.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  The truth is, is that, um, for most people, relationships like this, they don't work well. They just don't. Uh, that doesn't mean, though, that they can't. Or that if you're in love with somebody, you shouldn't pursue that. It just means that you should be aware of what the risks are. And assess them accordingly. Before, you know, so that you don't, uh, for instance, let me give you an example of this. There's gonna be all sorts of baggage that come with dating a single mom, or marrying a single mom. That's not going to be there if, uh, you don't marry a woman who already has children. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about that. However, there could also be all sorts of perks that come with that. For instance, um, you know, uh, women like this,

• 29:21Speaker 01

  they tend to think outside of themselves. Not everything is about them. They're not quite so narcissistic, because they have other people that they have to take care of and look to.

• 29:30Patrick Bet-David?

  They've graduated that.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, they've moved past that. So, there's maybe a level of maturity there, that, uh, can offset that for some men. But that's not all of them either. Some of them are still very much suffer from female narcissism, and, you know, are basically total bitches. So, I think you gotta assess it case by case. But generally speaking, those types of relationships, they don't work out that well for most people.

• 29:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have a son?

• 29:54Speaker 01

  I, I did. He died in an accident.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  When he was ten, he died in a car accident.

• 30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta be kidding me.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I am so sorry to hear that. I did not know that.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's uh, it, no harm, no foul. He didn't know, you know what I mean? But yeah, when he was um, so I had him since he was basically two. Um, this was Rachel's youngest son. So, yeah, yeah, so I, I had him since he was two. When he was ten, he went over to watch a movie at a friend's house. Um, his, his friend was the same age. They went to school together. While they were both over watching the movie, the older brother stole a car, his parents' car, put him inside of it, took it out on the road, and uh, basically high-tailed it into a tree and crushed him to death. So, the other kid who was driving, he went out the front window.

• 30:48Patrick Bet-David?

  The other ten-year-old?

• 30:49Speaker 01

  No, it wasn't, he wasn't ten. This was the ten-year-old's older brother.

• 30:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But the ten-year-old was in the car as well?

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Nope, he wasn't.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  What?

• 30:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did he take his brother's best friend?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  What the police, what the police said...

• 31:01Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a little weird.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is what this, kind of the speculation was, was, you know how younger kids look up to older kids? You know what I mean? That um, basically, he, he wanted to i- i- impress the fourteen-year-old by... Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, I'll go with you.

• 31:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Or the ten-year-old wanted to impress the fourteen-year-old?

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'll go with you.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Did the driver, did the drive, the older kid, the one that flew out the window, pass away as well?

• 31:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 31:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He made it?

• 31:26Speaker 01

  He made it, yeah, thank God he made it. He uh, he had a broken arm. He went out the windshield, he had a broken arm.

• 31:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Good kid.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  I'm not sure that I would say that. He uh, he ended up being something of a delinquent. I don't know what his story is now, because uh, you're talking, you're talking about almost, I think, I think ten years ago now. Um, but at the time, yeah, it was uh, it was the most kind of, like, heart-wrenching, awful, horrific experience uh, that you can imagine. I remember, I was coming home, uh, essentially, uh, from looking for him. So, uh, you know, my wife called me frantically and was like, hey, you know, we did, I can't, I, we can't get a hold of him? What's going on? Can you go over and check? I said, sure. I went over, checked, he's not here. You know, so she called the police. The police were out looking. And I remember driving up to the driveway,

• 32:17Speaker 01

  and there was cop cars there, and I was like, oh, great, you know? They they got him, you know, so, uh, you know, I walk inside and the cops were still in the cruisers. And I came up to the front door and they came walking up and, you know, they didn't have him with them. And the first thing the cops said was, I have some very bad news. And she just, she knew right then and there, she just collapsed. So I I told the story once, um, cause it's a it's a hard one to remember. But but she let out this blood curdling scream, just blood curdling. I'll never forget it as long as I live.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  It was the, there's just nothing as horrible as that sound. And I just, anytime I think about it, you know what I mean? It's still, it still makes the, basically the hairs on my back of my neck stand up. Um, it was just, it's just a scream of agony, you know, just emotional agony. And, uh, it was, yeah, it was crushing. It was just absolutely devastating.

• 33:23Patrick Bet-David?

  How long did it take for her? And I know the the answer is never, but how long did it take for her to get back to actually being able to do the day to day stuff?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, we went, I remember talking, we, I was very lucky. The the person who ran the funeral home, he was a a former police officer. He was a sniper in the police force, in fact. And, um, and he sat me down and he explained, he explained how all this works. He says, listen, I've seen this many times before and I'm going to tell you a bunch of things.

• 33:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That night he's telling you?

• 33:54Speaker 01

  This was the next day when I was making, we made the funeral arrangements and this and that. He said, can you come and meet with us? Or it was the day after, I don't remember, but one of those within the next, within two days of it. So I went in and sat down with him, you know, and I was a mess. I was a mess and and she was really a mess. And, um, anyway, I sat down with him. He said, I'm going to tell you some things. He said, they're going to be really hard, but I need you to understand. He said, the first thing is she's never going to be the same, ever. Just never. She'll find a new normal and the person that you love is still in there. But it's never gonna be the same for her. Life's never gonna be the same for her. Food's not gonna quite taste the same again.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  The air she breathes isn't gonna be as fresh as it ever could be. Right? That's just what the new normal's gonna be. And he said, "Your job is to take care of all of this so that she doesn't have to. That's your job. So do your job." And I said, "Okay."

• 34:57Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 35:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you witnessed these things and you see somebody going through it. And it is a very, very difficult thing to go through. And I'm assuming that guy who had that conversation was a cop sniper, you said?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, he used, interestingly enough, I was talking to one of your security team members outside. You know, I'm a bit of a gun nut myself. And, you know, we kinda, the second I was talking to this director, you know, he was kinda telling me a little bit about his backstory and I think it was just kinda put me at ease. You know, they were using M1 carbines when he was in the force as snipers. M1 carbines. That's what the police, yeah, that's what the police officers were issuing at the time. Open sight. They had no scopes, no nothing. And he had a couple of barricaded suspect situations where he had to take the, you know, the perp out with an M1 carbine. And I was just like, you know, that kinda blew me away.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  But yeah, he, so kinda old school this guy's law enforcement experience was. But as far as a funeral home director went, I mean, he just laid me down and just, he just laid it all out. And said, "This is what you need to do." And I mean, he laid out everything, you know? He said, "There's gonna be people who are gonna come and they're gonna pay their respects and you're not even gonna know them. They're just gonna read about this in the paper and it's gonna upset them." You know, he said, "Maybe they'll drop five bucks or maybe they'll drop some flowers." He said, "You're gonna write every one of those people a thank you letter."

• 36:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  He said, "Write every single one of them a thank you letter and tell them to thank you." He said, "It doesn't matter if you know them, you don't know them, no..." He just walked me through everything. So I was, you know, in retrospect, I think I was very fortunate in many ways.

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• 37:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, in the military, they, they, the guy, the job, where he has to go visit the spouse.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 37:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And tell them, hey, let me tell you. That's the job. Can you imagine that's your job and that's all you do all day? And, you know, hey, your husband's not coming home. I'm sorry to tell you, your son is no longer with us.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Well, like in Saving Private Ryan, they wouldn't have to go tell how many people over and over and over.

• 37:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Andrew, when I look at your eyes and I see you in different things, or even when you walked in here, you have a, you have a look. Your eyes have a look. And there's rage behind it. Okay, that's the look you have. Why do you have that look?

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Rage?

• 37:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you have rage. There is like, there is a certain look where, you know, it looks, you're skeptical always, and you have rage and a look that you trust nobody.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Well, maybe, maybe to an extent. I, in this industry, you can't trust anybody. I mean, you probably know that well. I've, I've noted that there have been many, many hit pieces on you.

• 38:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Many, oh, yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  And the more famous you get, the more there'll be. Same here. I have tons and tons on me as well. And one of the few people in this industry that I do trust, you probably know Steven Crowder, right? I saw what these people did to him. I saw what they did to him. And I saw what the people who were supposedly on my side did to him. I call them the sewing circle Christians. And these people do, basically, keep me in a continuous state of rage. And the reason why is this, it's like... I'm sure you've heard the Teddy Roosevelt, you know, the man in the arena speech, right? You know, that's what a guy like Crowder was and is. The man in the arena, just everybody's a critic, you know?

• 39:10Speaker 01

  And I remember when that video came out, uh, that they, you know, they spread it everywhere. His, and his political enemies, his bitch ex-wife, all of them just spread it everywhere, right? Ah, he's an abuser, he's a this, he's a that, and I'm like, I remember watching that video and thinking, ah, it ain't even that bad. That ain't even that bad. In the backyard of the house. Yeah, I was like, man, I've been in worse fights than that with my, with my old lady. What are you talking about, right? I actually agree. Yeah, I was like, I've been in worse fights than that with my old lady. Over way less, over way less, way more petty stuff, you know what I mean? Yep. And it's like, uh, and the thing is, it's like, all these holier-than-thou people. This guy, this clip? Yeah. Yeah, we've all seen this. Yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  And it's all these holier-than-thou sewing circle Christians are like, how could you endorse it? Abuser, how could you defend an abuser? How could you do this? And I'm thinking, shut up, you lying snake. Like, there's no way you're gonna convince me that in the course of your relationship of 20 years, that if we had cameras on you at all times, we're not gonna find this moment times 20. It's gonna happen, just shut up. A hundred percent. Yeah, just shut up, stop bullshitting me, you know what I mean? But the thing is, is, um, a lot of those people who are the critics, let's say in your case, my case, Crowder's case, many others, a lot of that, I think, comes from a position of jealousy. And it comes from a position of, um, of envy.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  And because of that, you know, these people, all they do is criticize, but my challenge has always been to the sewing circle Christians, well, where are you? Like, I'm on the other end of the most diabolical people daily. I'm in the most hostile environments, the most hostile panels, right? I'm always completely surrounded, I've never seen any of you. Where the hell are you? Well, you're siding with our enemies because I'm too mean. Or Crowder's too mean, or anybody who defends themselves is too mean. Why don't you show us how it's done? And they're nowhere. They're nowhere. In many ways, I respect leftists who will engage on their ideology,

• 41:19Speaker 01

  right, and engage on the arguments, much more than I respect my own side of the, of which has many of these sewing circle Christians who refuse to engage, but instead just want a virtue signal to the audience. No, no, no, I'm a real Christian. You would never hear me say something so nasty and evil to a diabolical person who just told me they killed three of their kids in the womb. You know, and I'm like, I'm supposed to sit there and go, oh, well, okay then. Let me, let me pat you on the head and read gospel. That doesn't work. You have to destroy worldviews before you can replace worldviews.

• 41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, Stephen called me the day this was released. It could have been the day or the next day. And he said, hey, I just want to tell you, here's what's going to release, was already released. This is what really happened. I'm listening to him for 45 minutes. And the call in is like this. I said, Stephen, you will never hear me comment on this. I said, we're not commenting on this kind of stuff. And Rob and I talked about it. Rob, if you remember, we're doing podcasts, probably. I'm like, this is really not a topic I want to talk about. Marriage is hard. People got to figure it out. Of course, if it's like, you know, someone shot and killed or something like that. Okay, we have to comment on that. But an argument like this, let them handle it the way they did. I thought it got out of control and it wasn't a, a, uh, it became too much of a thing because it was around the same time

• 42:38Patrick Bet-David?

  that he was negotiating the contract with, what do you call it? With Daily Wire, right? And when he came out and he read the contract and what they offered him and all this stuff, that we commented on. And I said, look, you know, when you do something like that, I would be hesitant to ever making an offer to you. Because then it's kind of like, are you gonna go share my contract with them publicly? But Crowder, to me, he's a guy that-

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, Jeremy Boring and those people at Daily Wire shouldn't have been trying to negotiate with his ex-wife on the side.

• 43:10Patrick Bet-David?

  We reacted to that god knows how many times and then, trust me, I don't think anybody in the market would say, you know, "We are best friends with Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro, and Ben Shapiro loves us." And, you know, it's like, no, I've been on his show, he's been on my show, we invited him, he's canceled a couple times. Jeremy Boring's been on, we've had good conversations. Actually, Jeremy Boring, we had a very good conversation together. But I don't know, when the whole Candace thing that was taking place, everybody thought Candace is automatically gonna come here. They blamed us for, you know, this is what's going on. No, I'm on the phones, I'll help you, I'll help you, I'll help you. You know, our enemy is on the outside. My, you know, sometimes the distractions.

• 43:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you tell me while you're going through this, what do you mean by, did you call it sowing circle Christians that got three abortions? Who are you talking about?

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Well, on my side of the aisle, most critics, right? Because I engage oftentimes, my argument style starts and ends with Christian ethics. That's always the viewpoint that I'm coming from, whether I'm debating politics, or I'm debating social issues, or I'm debating any of these things. That's my grounded foundation. So, most of my criticisms don't actually come from leftists, though many of them do. They actually come from a particular brand of Christian. And they're, I don't know what you would say, maybe virtue signalers, right? They're always trying to signal their virtues, and it's always like, "Oh my god, you smoke." "You smoke cigarettes," or, "Ah, you drink beer." "Real Christians don't drink beer," like, it's always petty criticisms.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  But anytime there's controversy around me, or a clip taken out of context, or something like this, these are the first people to rush in and give me universal condemnation, mostly so that my enemies will look at them, and these are leftists, right? They want leftists to look at them and think, "You're the good Christians." And it's like, the whole time, so in other words, the whole time these people are burning the whole forest down around our ears, right, and I say, "Hey, put those fucking matches down." They're like, "Hey, don't say the F-word." I'm like, "Well, wait, we got a bigger problem here." "We got a bigger problem here." Nope, you said the F-word.

• 45:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  That's no good.

• 45:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  And so, those people to me are like, the lowest of the low. Well, I mean, if you want specific names.

• 45:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Specific names if you're comfortable saying, who are some of them?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  So I would say people like Lila Rose, representatives like Lila Rose. I would even say, you know, reps like Trent Horn, people like this. These are people who, they themselves may not necessarily levy the criticism directly, but it's the influence that they have over the various audiences that they have that then go and direct these criticisms towards you.

• 45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Though I never actually see these people in the arena debating these social issues with anybody. They'll do abortion debates, things like this, but I never see them surrounded with a panel of like, the worst degenerates on earth, debating all of their worldview simultaneously. But they have tons of criticisms for people who do. And I'm like, well, where are you? Nowhere. And where are you, by the way, when anybody wants to debate you on why it is that you're so inactive when it comes to the culture war and social issues? Right? They turn all that stuff down. They refuse to argue with the red pillars. They refuse to argue with any of these people. They literally just refuse to engage. Tons of criticisms, absolute refusal to engage.

• 46:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So Lila Rose, one time I was on her show. This was about a year, year and a half ago, and we were talking about, I don't know how abortion came about, and I just kind of gave my, and then she disagreed and went back and forth. I'm like, okay, yeah. And, and it's very obvious she's like the, the fully, fully goody-two-shoe, like everything I do right, that's what it is. But to me, I think there's a place for her as well. But guys like you, you know,

• 47:07Patrick Bet-David?

  to become you, you have to have lived a shitty life to get tough and be willing to go in the arena and be able to handle it. You just have to.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 47:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to have lived a very, very rough life. And you don't just say, let me raise kids and make their life a living hell to raise a Andrew Wilson. That's not how it works. You go have a very, very difficult upbringing. You got this pain, this chalice, this all this stuff that you've carried, and then boom. And you're like in, in fight mode and fight like what's the next one? Who's the next one? That's not for everybody. You can't train her to be like you.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 47:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, but I think there's a place for both of you guys.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  And I, I even agree with that. What I don't agree with is if you're not willing to do it, shut your mouth and don't criticize then.

• 47:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So if you're not willing to get in the arena, don't react and don't give your thoughts on what Andrew Wilson believes.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  That's right. If you're not willing to do it yourself, and here's the thing, I've always had an open challenge.

• 48:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That's never gonna stop. The reaction audiences, that's, that's a business model.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Look, I totally get it.

• 48:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  And I understand that this is something I'll, I'll always have to deal with.

• 48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  But that doesn't mean that I can't say publicly, "Well, show me how it's done then." Or, "Hey, uh, many times we put the offers out, then you come in, show me, show me how you would do it better." And then we watch him fail and flop over and over and over again. It's not as easy as it looks, as you know.

• 48:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course. And by the way, a guy like Steven Crowder, the, the same way he had a bad fall, he can make a massive comeback and be the main guy again. Like, at, at one point, I think he was the main guy. No, wasn't Crowder like the guy?

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He was a guy.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  And he's coming back.

• 48:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. He, he, I'm so glad he's coming back. I'm so glad like he's, you can see the eyes, that the eye of the tiger is back in it.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you can tell, you're saying you're taking some credit for it?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm, I'm kidding. I'm literally kidding.

• 48:59Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna call you and he's gonna say something to you.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  What are you doing?

• 49:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I think, um, I've told Steven that I think that, that, uh, he's wasted.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  And, you know, that he, he does best. The thing is with him, and I completely understand it, uh, you know, he's built, he's built a mode around himself. You know what I mean? And it's like, but that's not where you shine, man. You shine in that arena, engaging, you know?

• 49:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Coffee.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, fighting it out. Like, you're, he's really good at it.

• 49:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He is really good at it.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  He's had tons and tons of guests coming in now, and he's duking it out with them, right? And he's doing it in the Steven Crowder way, right? It's both respectful.

• 49:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  And it's insightful.

• 49:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Sarcastic. He has to have all that.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's fun to watch, and he's a super smart guy.

• 49:48Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you believe in? If, if, because at the beginning, in the first three minutes, you said, "I hate progressives." When I was going back and forth with them on Facebook and, you know. Tell me, tell me, you know, one, what you believe in. And you, you made one of the points on why you hate progressives. When you asked me the question, you're like, "So, twin brothers, incest, why is that wrong?"

• 50:10Speaker 01

  The reason I hate, I'll explain to you why I hate progressives more than anything. Progressives have been, for the last 10 years, actually more, running around, calling everybody who disagrees with any of their crazy-ass values fascists, and authoritarians, and dictators, and things like this. These are the people who brought us the lockdowns, the state-issued garment of the mask, right? Mandatory vaccines they wanted, they wanted vaccine passports, they shut down businesses. They gave us a fascist state. So when these people are in charge, they give you fascism. That's what they do. And yet, all I ever hear these people do is run around, "That's what they call him, they call him a fascist."

• 50:54Speaker 01

  I've heard him do it many times, "You and your fascist friends." I've heard him say it, and it's like, they-

• 51:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You guys are on peers, you guys are on peers together many times.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  And they never tell us, but then we just show up and they'll have like a Steve Bunnell, or they'll have just everybody completely on the left, that didn't say one thing, not one thing, "My body, my choice," when they were telling them, "Stay in the house." "Oh, and by the way, jab it into your kids." When you had people like Cuomo and them saying, "You know what the real enemy is? Your fellow Americans." When they were calling us, us, fascists, and meanwhile, they were behind this freaking Nazi-ass ad.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  "You're not wearing your mask, you're trying to kill my grandma," right? They, so, this was, when, when, in other words, here's the way I view the world. Christians, if they're not in power, if they're not ruling, they're going to be ruled. That's it. So if that's the case, and that is the case, we live in a democracy which is full of structured power blocks. Everything is a power block. And because of that, you're going to be ruled by a power block, or you're going to rule a power block. This idea that Christians shouldn't be in charge, I think is insane. And I think it comes from a bizarre libertarian ethos that makes no sense. Where the idea here is, you could be a Christian, but you can't govern using Christian ethics.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  And it's like, well, yeah, you can. And yes, you should. You absolutely should be able to govern using Christian ethics. That's the only way you should govern is from your ethical purview, in fact. And if you're not governing, if Christians aren't in charge, somebody else is going to be in charge of them. And so, this is a race for power. And it's always been a race for power. And for some reason, Christians have been convinced to give their power up. And one of the core seats of my message is that they shouldn't do that. And instead, should do everything they can to maintain political power. That's the non-apologetics branch. So, the way that the internet is currently structured, you have the apologetics branch of Christianity. That's the role you're talking about with Trent Horn and Lila Rose and these people, the apologetics branch.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  You have barely any of the political branch for Christianity. No good representation on that side. Politics is ugly. And it's mean. And it's brutal. And it's not fun. And it's full of slings and arrows and mudslinging and reputational assaults and reputational damage. Right? That's what it's full of. I just wish that the apologetics arm would get their shit together and understand that the very things that they're trying to fight against, abortion, things like this, they need the political arm for. And if they're not willing to engage in it, then they should at least support the people who are. Instead of endlessly criticizing them. And that's all they do. That's all they know how to do. But that's the way I see it. I see it as a power block struggle. You're either gonna be ruled by the lunatics of the world,

• 53:37Speaker 01

  or you're going to rule the lunatics of the world.

• 53:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Which lunatic do you fear the most? And which lunatic seems like is making the most progress?

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Like Gavin Newsom, lunatics like this. Uh, we now have a communist in charge of New York. I mean, you name the progressive, AOC, she's another lunatic. All of these progressives, from my view, are actual lunatics with no grounding ideology whatsoever, other than what they've heard. They don't have God, they don't have Jesus, they don't have anything to turn to for epistemic grounding, nothing. And they literally rule from feelings, suicidal empathy, and they put suicidal empathy in policy form.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  That's why we have mass migration. I mean, the most insane policy I could ever think of is, let's bring in a million and a half people a year into a nation. If you want to do immigration, fine. Do immigration, but bring in a manageable number that can be integrated. Thirty thousand, fifty thousand, sixty thousand? I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. You know, you can integrate those people over time, you can spread them out, you can do all this. That's not what's going on. What's going on is they're bringing in millions per year. In Australia, they're bringing in whole percentages of the population yearly. In Canada, the same thing. It's insanity. And then they go out, "If you object, you're a Nazi." It's like, what are you talking about? That's, if I object to that, I'm a Nazi?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  You're gonna bring in people who don't have value structures that are the same as our value structures? They don't have the same type of American drive, they don't have the same values, they don't have the same anything. And me objecting to that means that I'm a fascist now, that's crazy to me. I consider that lunacy. I consider these people on the lunatic fringe of the political spectrum, and yet they're gaining power. And so, they go, "Why is it that the fringe right is making such momentum? How can you have guys like Nick Fuentes making such momentum?" And it's like, he's a product of you. Okay, he's a product of you. Say, "Well, how come his message has come? How come his message's time has come?" It's like, because of you.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  You made it inevitable. It was really funny, Fuentes used to say, "America first is inevitable," and people would scoff, right? And then the left made it inevitable. If they think about what they did. They deplatformed the guy. They said, "Make your own technology, smart guy." So he did. Right, so he makes his own streaming platform, right? Next thing in the headlines, Nazis making their own streaming platforms. What you told them to. You deplatformed from the one place that you can engage with him publicly, that would get normal people to view him, right, and others like him. And you threw him off of that, and they went and they built their own platforms, not just him. Gavin did it too, Gavin Mcginnis, right? Stefan Molyneux had the largest philosophy show.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  I used, I loved watching that show, okay? Loved it. I would drive for hours listening to Stefan Molyneux prattle about philosophy, because I'm a dork like that, right? Hours of listening to this guy prattle. And I'd always saying, "One day I'm gonna debate this fucking idiot." I like the guy.

• 56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you or no?

• 56:46Speaker 01

  I haven't yet. I will. But I like the guy quite a bit, don't get me wrong, I really do. But I would listen to him for hours, these guys. And YouTube systematically threw them all off the platform, not because of any actual violations to their Terms of Service. What they did was they reacted to the liberal progressive base, and then based their Terms of Service on that reaction. And then the counter narrative was, "Well, go build your own." So they did, they went and they built their own. So now they've built all their own, and then they started amassing this huge audience, completely unopposed. Okay, well, times are a-changing. Now X is bought by Elon Musk, suddenly that's freed up, they're all allowed to come back on X. Now they got another platform, and what can you do on X now? You can video host too. Now you can do video on X.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  And they can't just, they can't just nuke you anymore, right? So now the whole arena's opened up, right? And the backlash is ginormous, and it's like, all you gotta do is go look in the mirror to see who's responsible for it, you dumb lefties. These stupid leftists did it, they did it all to themselves. Literally blew their feet on, what they did was they set their feet on fire to warm up their hands. That's what they did.

• 57:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we're talking to a guy right before he came in, one of your biggest fans in the world, who, you know, this is, Rob is laughing, but, uh, he says, uh, you know, all this stuff about feminism, I said, "Where do you think Andrew Tate came from? They created him." He didn't just all of a sudden start speaking this language that, you know,

• 58:10Patrick Bet-David?

  misogynist, all this other stuff. No, no, they pushed men so much to try to make them feminine that guys are like, is there anybody out there that is an alpha that can just come and tell me the way it is, it's okay to be a man's man, boom. Here he shows up and Andrew, next thing you know, becomes the, you know, who he is and everybody's like, Andrew Tate is a problem. You created him. Kind of goes back to the point you're making.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. As you guys know, I'm a political analyst and a political satirist. If you want to talk directly with me, as many of my audience have requested that they be able to do, I've been able to carve out a system on this platform, Minect, in order to do that with you. That's on Minect. You can ask me whatever questions that you want. We can talk debate, we can talk strategy, we can talk about basically whatever it is that you've been wanting to talk with me about, and I hope to see all of you there.

• 59:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want to ask you, what is more dangerous to America? Progressive ideology or

• 59:15Patrick Bet-David?

  the casual approach you take with, you know, Muslims that are coming to you who are not willing to assimilate, and they still, they want to convert this into what they believe in? Long-term, what's the bigger threat to you?

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Well, those two threats are intertwined. So, you have to understand that the Muslim mentality in the United States, after debating with so many of them, I understand what their goal is, and they're pretty emphatic about stating it. Muslims also hate progressives, but progressives are useful idiots, really useful idiots. Essentially, what Muslims do is they'll vote Democrat, and they'll vote for leftist policies. They'll do whatever they need to do because leftists continue to open up the immigration trail for more Muslims to come in. So as long as Muslims can use left-wingers for the path to bring more Muslims in, they'll vote left overwhelmingly. But you see them locally do exactly the opposite, which is amazingly fun to watch. So locally,

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  they'll be like, no gays in school, right? No this, no women doing this, none of this, degeneracy, right? We won't allow any of that. But then they vote for leftist politicians, and you're like, why would you do that? Well, it's because the leftist politicians are opening up the pathways for citizenship for more Muslims to come in. It's a takeover. It's an invasion. It's always been an invasion. In Europe right now, it's an invasion. It's the same thing there. The lefties, or the Muslims there, they'll vote for the lefties. Why? Because it's a very pragmatic thing to do to continue to keep the pathway of citizenship open. What do Muslims say their ultimate weapon is? The woman's womb. We'll breed you out. They don't care. They'll wait 200 years. They don't care.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  It's to infiltrate, populate, dominate, and never assimilate.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  And then it's Sharia law.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Well, you know what it is? Because it's not happening, Andrew, because it's not right now. Because people are like, man, we're in a Christian nation, which I actually wanted to ask you as well. Who's, which religion is basically running this show? Because, I mean, Trump has even said, Trump is not a Christian. He even said that one time in an interview, he's like, I'm not going to heaven, which I never would want to hear from, from a president. But, but if you think about it, right now, I don't think, Andrew, because people, like, we see it. We see the writing on the wall. He's come, he had to escape from Iran. My parents, grandparents, all of them had to escape from that rule. And right now, because it's not actively in your face. It's happening in Texas. You see it in frigging Minnesota, and it's about to start happening in New York. Nobody really sees it, but in 20, 30 years, like you said, the long, the long game, they're winning. They're winning because it's not going to stop.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  What was the, by 2060, it's going to be the, the most dominant religion is going to be Muslim. And you nailed it. And you nailed it. And they said it. There's a video of some guy, Pat, the guy that used to be a hardcore Islamist and then converted. He's like, we love the, we use the Democrats. We, we do it, but then when they come in, yeah, all the, all the woke progressive abortion, trans, gay, all that good, good, like, like Mam Donnie. He's in a church or whatever, talking with some trans and like, we love him. We love him. You think his people, they actually agree with what he's talking about? That they accept the gays? They accept the, the women have to cover their heads. Ilhan Omar's dressed up all the freaking time, wrapping her head around. This is the clip right here, Pat?

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Can you play that?

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  Lord help us. Just listen to this. When I was an extremist, Islamist, fundamentalist, I would only vote left.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  Why is that?

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  I saw them as very stupid. I would fear the conservatives because they come with principle.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  That's not someone they can brainwash. But the left, I know they have no values and no principles to begin with. I dare you to find one Islamic extremist that votes for Donald Trump. Never do it. They give their vote to the leftist who wants to run around in pride parades. Islamic extremists are against gays and homosexuals and transgenders, but they want the left to go and get busy with that. And Ahmad, she's fighting for abortion rights. My body, my choice. Yes, go do that, go do that. But would she have an abortion? Never. Would she kill a Muslim in her stomach? Never.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  What is the fundamentalist and jihadi agenda for America?

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  The future of America has to be Muslim.

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  And if you say that, Andrew, if we say this, brother, you have no, I can't say you have no idea. You know, and he knows because we get the same type of messages. I'm pretty sure you have lovely, I just showed them a death threat that I got from a Muslim guy on Instagram, and it's like, it's, the writing is on the wall, like, and it's like, the writing's here, and people are telling you, turn around and look, and they're like, no, no, no, it's, it's not, it's never gonna be like that.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  You know what I always do with the Muslim death threats, though? I always say, I'm gonna come kill you and rape your wife and kill your kids and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know? And I'm always like, well, I can give you directions to my house, but do you have a high enough IQ to follow them?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  And they, um...

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  They come back.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, then they just, they start spurging out, and then we just kind of laugh because it's really funny. They get really mad.

• 1:04:08Patrick Bet-David?

  That was a moment with you and the debate with Daniel Haggadju. Rob, if you want to pull it up, this is the moment. You guys are having a debate, and he is, many Muslims view him as a great debater, okay? Somebody that...

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  I can give you a precursor there.

• 1:04:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  So, Kikichu does his homework, just like me, and I do consider him to be a very skilled debater, and I took him very seriously. He's an Ivy League graduate, just like my other opponent at that debate was Richard Carrier, who was a progressive. So I did two debates back to back, one on Saturday, one on Sunday, both with Ivy Leaguers. So I did take him very seriously, and when I came up to him and shook his hand before the debate started, I said, hello, Daniel, how are you? You're a great debater. And he said, yeah, you too.

• 1:04:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He said that?

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, he said, yeah, you too. So when we came up, I think we both, he had a predictive model for me. In other words, he had sat down and predicted out what he thought my line of attack would be. The difference between us was that I predicted what he predicted that would be. And so I was ready for it. He did not predict how I was actually going to come at him.

• 1:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So he didn't know that you were gonna do this?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  He had no clue.

• 1:05:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this is a very unique angle you took.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's funny because the core of the argument's actually twofold and people only picked up on the one. But I can explain the other end of it.

• 1:05:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you mind watching this first and then you giving it to us? Rob, go ahead.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Inbreeding has been occurring at a high rate for about 1,400 years since the early Islamic period encompassing most of the land still occupied by Islam today. It's spread from the 8th to the 15th century, moved into Persia, North Africa, South Asia, where it remains and has created some of the dumbest human beings on planet Earth.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  The most common type of inbreeding is first cousin marriage. The rates of first cousin marriage in comparison to Christian nations is staggeringly high even in comparison to regions occupied by Arab Christians. When a nation has both Christians and Muslims, Muslims are often double or higher than Christians. Example, India, Lebanon. Next slide, please.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Muslim inbreeding, oh, sorry, sorry about that. Pakistan at 65%. 65%. Meaning, more likely than not, you're having sex with your cousin and if you're not, you're the weird one.

• 1:06:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Two-thirds is incest.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Okay? For the low IQ members of MDD, that means these people are more likely than not having sex with their aunts or uncles' children. Saudi Arabia, 50 to 58%. Within average, 76 IQ. Who would've thought it? UAE, 54%, 82 IQ. The crown jewel of the Arab world, you are more likely than not to be banging your first cousin. Iran, 40%, 80 IQ. Yemen, 45%, 62.9 IQ. Qatar, 30%, 80.8 IQ.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Now, we're gonna continue, right? Oman, 36%, 78. Syria, 39%, 74 IQ. Turkey, 25%, 86 IQ. Jordan, 32%, 80 IQ. Egypt, 32%, 76 IQ. It goes on and on and on, and it just never gets better. Next slide, please. Thank you. Compared to Christian countries, whoo, let's take a look. Usually less than 1%. Now, I wonder why Christians build better societies, ladies and gentlemen. Now, let's keep going. We want to pull up the slide here. He's really upset here. Moving right along. As countries become, more Christian in breeding declines. Right?

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  We can see this. From church intervention in Spain, 20 to 30% post reconquista. Catholic Church banned cousin marriages for commoners. Papal dispensations sold for royals. Italy, similar high rates in the medieval period. The church enforced bans over the century. France, high medieval. Canon law prohibited marriage within four degrees of relation.

• 1:08:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right now.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Modern way.

• 1:08:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Tell us. So, you're explaining this. The argument is, higher IQ, better society, better jobs, better economy. Low IQ, you make worse decisions, not the best opportunity, not the safest society. What was the second point you were trying to make?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, the debate, the framing was, which makes a better society? Islam or Christianity? I knew that Daniel's attack would be, Christian societies have degeneracy in it. The easiest way to combat that is, well, I think it's pretty degenerate to be humping your first cousin. Okay? I think that that's way, pretty degenerate myself.

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  And he reacted to you, right? Robbie, there's even the reaction of him, where the audience laughs, I believe, and is...

• 1:09:13Patrick Bet-David?

  If you think the worst, no, not this one, it's a 14-second clip that Rob that you have. You had it a minute ago, 14-second clip. Um, that's it, yes.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  If IQ is the end-all, be-all, your entire argument is on the basis of IQ. You haven't said, you just say, "Oh, marrying your cousin, effing your cousin, that is degenerate." On the basis of what? It's not on the basis of your Bible. You just, it's just a dig- yeah, laugh it up, laugh it up.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Oh my God. Who would've just said? It's like, so what, like, it's like, and? Well, I knew that he would, I knew that this was gonna be bad for him going into the debate, because I knew that he would have to double down and defend first cousin marriage. I knew it, because the, this particular sect of Islam that he represents, they're crazy, okay? And if he were to try to go against it, his head's now on the chopping block, right? So, it basically put him in a pincer, but that wasn't even the core, right? The core, the crux of the argument wasn't just that we build way better societies as Christians, because we've outlawed inbreeding, uh, so our collective IQ is high enough to, you know, not have donkey pull cart.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  The core and the crux of the argument was really about ethics. They're constantly appealing to people they consider to be ethically inferior to them to not wipe them out. They're constantly appealing to societies 10 times more sophisticated than their own to, uh, to just literally not wipe them out and take all of their resources, which means they're banking on our benevolence, literally banking on Christian benevolence. If that's the case, how are you gonna say we're the worst people on, you know, our ethics are wrong, we follow the wrong God, we, you know, we're not doing things right? You're banking on the benevolence of Jesus Christ to restrain us from going to the most oil-rich portions of the world and not just Kong putting you all to the sword. What's to stop us from doing that?

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Only our ethics, only our ethical purview and faith in Jesus Christ is, is what prevents that from happening to you. So how about a little gratitude? How about a little gratitude towards these Christians you demonize all the time? How about a little bit, how about a little thank you for stopping and restraining the hordes from going over with their enormous technology and just putting you barbarians to the sword? Because we could.

• 1:11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you made the argument that there was a part of the debate where I think you said it'll never happen. You guys will never take over because you're always gonna need us.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Not militarily.

• 1:11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're always gonna, you're never gonna be able to do it because you're gonna need us. Your point with that was militarily.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, they could, they could perhaps breed us out over time because of birth rates and other various things like this. But all you have to do right now is just look at the situation that they're in to note that they have a serious, serious problem here with mass organization and mobilization and that has a lot to do with IQ. They hate Jews. Muslims hate Jews to the point of, I mean, it's wild how much they loathe them. This is an ancient conflict, by the way, and whether you say that it's right or wrong that they hate them, we can at least acknowledge that they do. Well, they have nine million Jews in their backyard and they can't do anything to them.

• 1:12:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That was the point you were making.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, they can't do anything to them. They're totally, these people are completely and totally surrounded, right? And they just whip the shit out of them every time they get into an engagement and it's because the IQ of Jew. And by the way, they bring up, for instance, they'll say, oh, well, there's incest and inbreeding in Israel too. It's true, but it's very low, very, very low percentage and most of it, guess what? When they, when you look into the stats on inbreeding, it's the Palestinians. There, that's where you get most of the stats from. Yeah, in Israel, so Palestinians are doing the inbreeding. And so it's like, all you gotta do is look at the IQ difference between the Palestinians and the Israelis. And then you realize if we're looking at it from a, from a pure view of like might makes right,

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  that the Palestinians are completely and totally at the mercy of, of the Jews in that area. They just are. Objectively, they are. They, there's no way for them to take on this advanced civilization. But what's ironic about it is neither can any of the other sophisticated nations around. Pakistan, for instance, they have nukes. Can they even deliver them? You know, can these, can these low IQ, 65% inbred people even deliver these nukes? I'm not even sure that they can. And so, this was the point that I was, I was ready to make. Regardless of where you fall in the Israeli-Palestine conflict, I'm not, I'm not making a prescription here for what Israel's doing is right or wrong, or anything in between.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  I'm just making the observation that 9 million of you versus the entire Arab world and the 9 million seem to be doing alright. There's gotta be some reasons here, and if you look at the technological and IQ differences, it becomes very obvious what those reasons are.

• 1:14:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the Muslim population around Israel? Is it, is it a billion plus? What is the Muslim population around Israel?

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  I mean, like, I think directly around it, it's not...

• 1:14:25Patrick Bet-David?

  600 million?

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:14:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you check, Rob, what is the Muslim population around Israel? Meaning, surrounding countries?

• 1:14:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Total. So, the only one, Indonesia wouldn't be there, so that's a big number that's gonna be out. So, if you...

• 1:14:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Total number, what do you pull up, Rob?

• 1:14:48Speaker 06

  Well, over 100 million Muslims in the broader region.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So, over 100 million?

• 1:14:53Speaker 06

  Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq.

• 1:14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And those 100 million cannot take out the 9 million?

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  That not only can they not, it's actually worse.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  It appears to me, from a logistical military standpoint, with Israel plus Israel's allies, which they've cultivated, which again, takes a lot of high IQ diplomacy and things like this and integration to do. They whip the shit out of them. They recently had an exchange with Iran. And not only was the Iranian propaganda awful, I mean, you remember the ex-propaganda from Iran? You know, "Oh, the war strikes, we got one missile through." They said the whole payload got one missile through, and they were dancing like they did something. And it's like... They were on the losing end of that very quickly. And that was without, uh, now it is true that there was, uh, US allies which were assisting, uh, the Israelis with this.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  But you have the entire Arab region as your allies to assist you. And it appears to me like if they went to war with Israel, they would probably actually lose collectively because of the inability to do mass mobilization, to have military command structures which are decent. And their ability to have kind of, um, like when you, when you look at military logistics, it's very complex and it requires a ton of middle management. Middle management usually starts around 100 IQ. Upper management, you get to like, you know, 120, 130, stuff like this. But you need to have at least 95 to 100 just to have middle management. And logistics, it's all middle management. And so it's like, I don't, I don't think that they would fare all that well.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

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• 1:16:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So your, uh, the debate, the angle you took was purely IQ and that became a talk of town when you did that.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Not just that, but ethics.

• 1:17:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Now his argument back to you was, to be fair, he said, if that's the case, why are countries like Honduras, why are countries that are so Christian, how come they're not innovating? Why are they not winning? What was your argument to that?

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  Well, actually they are, uh, there's, they do make better civilizations. That's why, much better civilizations. Uh, what killed and has been killing South America for a long time is the integration of communism and socialism. Their relationship, especially with the USSR and the spread of communism, you saw this with Che Guevara and others. You also saw recently, I mean, right this second. It looks like we have another conflict that's brewing there, and this is with, what? A socialist nation? You had Chavez, who was a socialist as well. A lot, and you see this in Eastern Europe. Eastern Europe is behind Western Europe in many innovative ways because of what happened with communism. And the integration of communism, and it takes a long time to shrug that off.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  I mean, it's such a destructive ideology. But I still think that civilisationally, we're talking about ideology here. Islam's ideology leads to inbreeding, right? Communist and socialist ideology leads to a lack of innovation and stagnation, which also has long-term side effects.

• 1:18:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are two different things, and destructive in their own unique ways.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:18:24Patrick Bet-David?

  One of them is values and principles, the other one is economically.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Well, and also values and principles. Communism is very much an atheistic view. The very first thing the USSR did, in fact, was actually put a separation in between church and state. The idea here was that Christianity was a thing. Remember what they did first? The communists killed the Orthodox Tsar of Russia. That's what they did, and they were taking out the Orthodox Church. What the communists did to the Orthodox in the Eastern European nations is blood-curling. I mean, it's just chilling when you read the stories of what they did to them. And it's because the Orthodox Christians, they have complete and total opposition, most of the time, to communism, based on the ethical purviews that Orthodox Christians hold.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  And so, they are instantly persecuted in communist nations. So again, it's the rejection, I believe, it's a spiritual war, it's a rejection of Christianity itself, that actually leads to these worst outcomes, even in communist nations. I don't think it's just purely economics. I think that it's, I consider all of these battles spiritual.

• 1:19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if communism recommends incest. I don't know if communism...

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  It recommends abortion. It's where feminism came from. The ideals of feminism came from communist feminist revolutionaries. The exportation of communist ideals are always academic, and the academics, always the very first thing they do is secularize the nation, move God out of schools, move God away from everybody, right? I do think that the ideology of communism is very much antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ and the teachings of...

• 1:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  There's no question about it. But the difference is...

• 1:20:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't see the link of incest with communism.

• 1:20:10Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:20:11Patrick Bet-David?

  All the other stuff, fully agree. Listen, my mother said they were all communists, so.

• 1:20:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I've read the Communist Manifesto, I've also read Mein Kampf, so you kind of have to see where both sides are. But, uh, yeah, incest is a different thing. So to me, it's interesting. By the way, did you see the clip where the mayor of London is being asked about incest in the Pakistani community in the UK? This just happened. Did you see this?

• 1:20:34Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:20:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You haven't seen this?

• 1:20:35Speaker 06

  You think they watched my debate?

• 1:20:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, and then they pushed him on crime and you should see, by the way, first one is gonna irritate the hell out of you.

• 1:20:45Speaker 06

  This is the Sadiq, is it Sadiq Khan?

• 1:20:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, it is. Rob, is this the one about incest? Which one's the incest question with Pakistani? Go to that one. Is that crime or what is he talking about here? There's two of them, not this one. There's two of his.

• 1:20:58Speaker 06

  Okay, hang on.

• 1:20:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I sent you, I sent you two of them. Okay, but, but the first one was.

• 1:21:03Speaker 06

  Gotcha. The fir-, I believe this is the first one.

• 1:21:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so if you wanna, if you wanna pull one of them up.

• 1:21:08Speaker 06

  And what's this about?

• 1:21:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Play the clip, I'll let you know which one it is.

• 1:21:11Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:21:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, this is it, watch.

• 1:21:13Speaker 07

  I'm saying exactly what I mean. I'm saying, have we got any of those grooming gangs in London?

• 1:21:22Speaker 08

  I'm in Fett, sure, what is meant by the question? If you could spell it out, I can answer.

• 1:21:26Speaker 07

  I've just spelt it out. Are you not listening? It's the sort of gangs that groom young girls at a young age for sex. Exactly how much clearer do you want me to be?

• 1:21:38Speaker 08

  What does she mean by that?

• 1:21:39Speaker 07

  You know full well what I mean by that. It's all over the television. You know exactly what I mean by that. These gangs of people that are grooming young girls for sex. Do we actually have those in London?

• 1:21:54Speaker 08

  Today we need to give a full answer. Can you be clear what she means by that? I'm not sure what she means.

• 1:21:58Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:21:58Speaker 07

  How much clearer do you want me to be? Look at the gangs that they've. Uncovered in other parts of the country. Do we have those gangs in London? It's a simple question. The answer is very simple. It's yes or no. I'm not asking you where those gangs are because the police might not want them to be disclosed. I'm asking you, do we have those sort of gangs in London?

• 1:22:23Speaker 08

  I'm not sure why she's so nervous to say what she means.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Are you kidding? What the hell are you talking about?

• 1:22:28Speaker 07

  No, no. I'm saying exactly what I mean. I'm saying, have we got any of those grooming gangs in London?

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  He can't answer it. He's Muslim. He can't. He can't say anything. He can't, just like when Piers. Piers will never talk negative about them. Piers will never say anything negative because he lives there. And what do you think Sadiq Khan is going to say? That's unbelievable. The fake arrogance, ignorance of not know. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Suicidal empathy.

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  That's sad, yeah. It's always, it always comes down to suicidal empathy. And the progressive left is the people who push suicidal empathy the most. The, what's happened in Europe, in Western Europe, and what's happened in the UK is one of the most unjust and completely criminal things that I, I mean, as far as justice goes. These people have consistently voted over and over and over again for less mass migration to their nation. And their government sells them out year after year after year after year after year. And then they go, I don't understand why they're rioting in the streets. It must be because they're a bunch of racists.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  And it's like, if they weren't before, they certainly are now. But the thing is, is again, these, this doesn't happen, except that you forced our hand. You forced it to happen. These people forced the hand of the people now in the UK to actually have to do something about this. And then they're surprised when they do. It's like people have a set of determination. You can determine who comes into your nation. That's up to you to do. Everyone else is allowed to do this. Japan does this. Right? Asian nations do this. Nobody's ever screaming about Japanese xenophobia. You ever heard of leftists once? Like, wow, we really gotta do something about all the xenophobic Japanese who don't let any immigrants into their country. I've never heard it one time.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Nope. Never. Because they don't care. Has nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with virtue signaling. This is all about virtue signaling. And the suicidal empathy that comes with virtue signaling. All of you people will think well of me if I'm so suicidally empathetic that I will sell my own nation out. Hey, at least everybody thinks well of me.

• 1:24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the second one he does in regards to crime rates and stabbing, how it's been increasing. And he tries to twist it and the guy holds his foot to the fire. You gotta see this. Holds his hand to the fire. Go ahead.

• 1:25:04Speaker 09

  Not law and order in London under you, mate. Can you sit there with a straight face and say crime is down? Since you became mayor in 2016, knife crime has gone up by 27%. Violence against the person has increased by 26%. Robbery has increased by 57%. Theft has increased by 37%. Shoplifting has increased by 109%. Sexual offenses have increased by 64%. All crime since you, Sadiq Khan, became mayor of London have increased by 26%. Don't Londoners deserve the truth about the state of crime in the capital from you?

• 1:25:49Speaker 08

  To do with the list that was read out. Theft from motor vehicle, down by 18%.

• 1:25:54Speaker 09

  Over what date range? Over what date range? Over what date range?

• 1:26:00Speaker 09

  Over what date range, since you became mayor of London, over what date range?

• 1:26:04Speaker 08

  Over the last nine-

• 1:26:04Speaker 09

  Not the last month, the last nine years. I know you don't like the truth, but apologize to Londoners over your tenure that you have allowed crime to skyrocket.

• 1:26:17Speaker 09

  By the way, they're getting vocal.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  Well, is it too late, Pat? Is it too late?

• 1:26:21Speaker 09

  That's the debate.

• 1:26:22Speaker 02

  That's the debate. Well, here's the thing, because you said this, Andrew. They didn't vote for it, they didn't want it, but the government's doing it. So at what point, at what point are the people going to say enough is enough? Because we talked about this earlier in the week, Andrew. I guarantee if Gavin Newsom, God forbid, becomes the president of the United States in 2028, the first order of business, because he's pro, give every illegal, doesn't matter your status, give them health insurance, he loves it, he loves illegals. The first order of business is going to be open up the border. At what point do we as Americans just say, hell, no? And we have to get involved ourselves? Because when the military, they sent the military to pick up barbed wire to let these people in, in Texas. Like, it's a purposeful invasion.

• 1:27:05Speaker 02

  When do we, when do our soldiers, they want to talk about all these orders that the soldiers are getting for Venezuela? When do we say, no, no, no, we're not doing that shit? And we have to mobile, we have to do something because it's happening here. 20 million people are here.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Well, the thing is, is I'm skeptical as to how well the quote "counter-revolution" goes. I think a renaissance is more likely. And hopefully, that's what we get is a renaissance instead of a counter-revolution. Ultimately, I don't have a lot of faith that there's going to be nearly as much backlash as other people have faith that there's going to be, and here's why. Let me explain my reasoning. There's food in the fridge.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  And there's air conditioning, and you can still drive down the road, right? And for the average person who goes to work and goes home, these problems are still out there.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  They're not in here. And until they become in here problems, most people are very passive to these types of things. And that's how, that's how things can get so bad so quickly before people actually begin paying attention. And then usually it is too late. What's going on right now, and what's going to continue to happen, is the left is going to continue the mass importation of people who have value structures which are different than these domestic populations, and they're going to cover it up by any means necessary. The last debate I did on Pierce was with Marc Lamont and a few other leftists, and these leftists, not Marc Lamont, right, luckily, but the other leftists who were there, we were talking about hate speech laws in the UK, and they were like, "Good, good, we're

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  happy that if you send a text saying that somebody is, you know, the F slur, the quote F slur," which by the way, I don't even think is a big deal to say, right? Probably one of my favorite words on planet Earth to say, I greet friends with it, right? I greet friends with it. It's never towards a gay person. Yeah, it's never, never, but the thing is, it's like, but even if it was, who cares? You don't send people to jail for texting the F slur to people. That's ridiculous, that's insane. This is a nation which has founded, a lot of our constitutional values come from the philosophy of English philosophers like Hugh and others, who were adamant about the various philosophies of freedom, and they're just bastardizing them. So, they'll

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  cover it up. They'll cover up using, they'll throw you in jail, they'll do any of these things like they did with Tommy Robinson, like they do with others, and I don't think at all, I don't share your enthusiasm, in other words, that until the situation goes into the home itself, and people are feeling the effects there, I think you'll continue to see the same sort of passive behavior that you've always seen. Now, if you can give me a week where Americans don't have enough to eat, I'll show you a government with a head on, with all their heads on a spike, man. But, until we get there... How do you clean that up? How do you clean UK up? Well, you have to take the Sargon of Akkad, interestingly enough, I recently watched one of his videos.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  He gave a bunch of criticisms to Pierce Morgan in the video. He starts the video with, "I don't like Pierce Morgan," in the very Sargon of Akkad way, right? But in this video, what he says is, you know, he's trying to create an academic term for a "remigration." He doesn't say, you know, "Throw them out." He says, "We're gonna "remigrate them." So, "We're gonna "remigrate you back to your country," right? "We're gonna do "remigration." Why would they agree to it? Well, they wouldn't agree to it. That's the thing, right? It's like, "I don't think you'll find agreement, but I do think that this is what the push is fast becoming in the UK

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  from the right wing is, 'Look, it's not just enough now for us to cut this off,' right? "We're already in it. "We have to actually start removing these people and sending them away." But, of course, what is the first thing that the left does? "You're Hitler." Hitler tried to send people away. Hitler tried to remove people groups from his country. Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. And so, because that's been like the kind of go-to, that's a fascist policy. You're gonna send people away? You're gonna remove them from your nation, just like the mustache painter in Germany did? And this is why I think you see so much of the backlash from the irony bros. And let's say the irony bros like the grippers, for instance, right?

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  Ninety percent of the time, they're referencing the Hitler thing and this and that, is to make fun of that conditional. This conditional being this.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  "Every policy I have that you don't like doesn't make me Hitler, you idiot." Okay? Me wanting to remove dangerous people from my nation and migrate them back towards their country because the people here no longer want them here, does not make you Adolf Hitler. That's part of what the irony bro thing was always about. And it's like, uh, people, people kind of miss the forest through the trees on that, I think.

• 1:32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I think when you see that community, I, I think even Nick did it on, uh, um, on Piers, if I'm not mistaken, when he asked him about Hitler. Do you remember that exchange between them?

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he took, he took the winner. Well, I went on Piers after that and, uh, look, just much like Steven Crowder and many others, I don't agree with a lot of the, uh, Fuentes style policies, right? Um, and we, we hold somewhat different values, uh, because he's a Roman Catholic and I'm an Orthodox Christian. We don't have exactly the same framework, but it's very close. As far as theology goes, let's just say it's, you know, there's, there's a lot more there in common than not. Um, but there's, there are some fundamental disagreements. But the fact of the matter is, is that when Morgan was doing the, the clip thing, right? Fuentes has been through that a hundred times, you know, person plays bad clip, how dare you, huh, clutches pearls, right?

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  We're, we've been past that for a long time.

• 1:33:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Him.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, we've, we as a nation have been past that for a long time. We, we've heard it all, right? Grab them by the pussy didn't work. That whole campaign didn't work. Uh, Trump making fun of fat chicks, right? Uh, they cl- everyone clutches their pearls. It didn't work, right? That stuff doesn't work. Fuentes's strategy in that debate, at least he said his strategy, was to basically just bite the bullet and say, yeah, sure, whatever. So anyway, you want to engage with my policy prescriptions now? And it just took all the wind out of the sails, you know what I mean? And that was the whole point. And I think that that's been the point of the irony bro thing for a long time. The whole thing is like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna call us this, what happens if we go, okay, and embrace it?

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Right? And then say, but what about the actual policies? Can you tell us what's unethical or what's bad or this or that? Right? And the answer is, no, they can't. They can't. Now, do I think optically that that's wise? No, but you know what? I mean, it seems to have worked fine for him.

• 1:34:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you'll, you'll, you'll debate a lot of feminists on this whatever podcast that you. By the way, there was a guy that was on it a few years ago. I haven't seen him for two years. Do you know who I'm talking about? The good-looking guy that used to do-

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Chase.

• 1:34:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Chase.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Chase used to be with a girl named Eva, Iva? Eva, Eva something? Beautiful girl from Netherlands or something like that. They came to our house one time and we had lunch with them. Chase is another talent. I haven't seen him for a minute.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  Very, very smart guy, very nice guy. Been friends with him for a couple of years. Um, him and my wife are friends as well. They talk back and forth on X.

• 1:34:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened to him?

• 1:34:43Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, he went off and did his own thing. I'm not really-

• 1:34:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he still creating content or no?

• 1:34:47Speaker 01

  He, he launched a show recently.

• 1:34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He did?

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  His own show, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Good, because he's also capable.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. He's doing, he's doing very well. Um, he doesn't do arguments the same way that I do. But I think that the angle that he comes at it is just as valuable in many respects.

• 1:35:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he also smokes cigarettes.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  He does. Does he? Maybe he does.

• 1:35:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I remember it specifically that he smokes cigarettes.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  When he came to us, we talked about it.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  Maybe I had one with him, but I, yeah. I'm not selling anybody out, okay? I'm not selling anybody out. I, I can neither confirm nor deny.

• 1:35:20Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but I remember when he was there, just watching him. I'm like, this, this guy, if he gets it together, he can really do something. What I mean by get it together is knowing what direction he wants to go. Because he, he was, uh, you have a different style. What's the main host's name? The main guy?

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  Brian Atlas.

• 1:35:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Brian, Brian Atlas. Brian is a good host. He's a good point guard. Very good point guard, manages the entire thing very well. What's his background, by the way?

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Uh, Brian's?

• 1:35:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Well, Brian had a prank channel for years on YouTube.

• 1:35:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  Uh, until he moved into this type of content. A very talented guy, very, very smart guy. And he also is one of the, like, few guys in this sphere that I actually trust. Like, he, oh, yeah, yeah. He's done, he's never done anything but right by me. A very, very good guy. And there's very few of them. And I don't know what it is about entertainment specifically, but it does not breed good people usually.

• 1:36:16Patrick Bet-David?

  At all. So here's a clip I want to play for you, Kai. Feminism. And my goal is to try to turn you into a feminist by the time you're done watching this video. But I don't think it's gonna work, Andrew. So brace for impact. I'm ready. Open up your open-mindedness and see if this changes your mind. Vinnie, have you seen this? I have not. Okay, first of all, you guys are gonna love this clip. Go ahead, go ahead, Rob.

• 1:36:39Speaker 03

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• 1:37:07Speaker 10

  So refreshing.

• 1:37:08Speaker 11

  All right, here's that check for you, sir.

• 1:37:11Speaker 11

  Sir? First of all, do not assume my pronouns. Second of all, how dare you assume that because I'm a man that I'm gonna be paying for this whole dinner? Women are fully capable of paying for themselves. Oh, I'm sorry. Do you want me to split the bill between you two then? Actually, why don't we do this? So we can really drive this point home for you? Because you're giving me very misogynistic vibes right now? Leave the entire bill and she will pay for the entire thing. Because she is a strong, independent woman who does not need a man to provide for her. As a feminist woman, wouldn't you agree with that?

• 1:37:35Speaker 10

  Yeah, yeah, I guess.

• 1:37:37Speaker 11

  Um, okay, yeah, in that case, here's the check, ma'am. Uh, I'm sorry. Okay. Cancelled.

• 1:37:44Speaker 11

  I cannot believe how toxic that guy was.

• 1:37:47Speaker 10

  Hey, how toxic. Oh my God, this is expensive.

• 1:37:50Speaker 11

  Oh, you got it. Give me a punch, bitch! Give me a punch!

• 1:37:53Speaker 10

  No, are you gonna help me?

• 1:37:55Speaker 11

  Absolutely not. As a feminist man, I don't want to imply that you can't defend yourself just because you're a woman.

• 1:37:59Speaker 10

  Are you curious right now?

• 1:38:00Speaker 11

  Yeah, what? Yeah.

• 1:38:01Speaker 10

  All right. [bleep] this.

• 1:38:05Speaker 10

  I'm getting a conservative.

• 1:38:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What a great clip.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:38:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? Sixty seconds.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Fight for yourself.

• 1:38:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Takes everything out.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what? You can pay for it.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you can, even though the burglar was like.

• 1:38:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You can protect yourself.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  The burglar was like, wait, what?

• 1:38:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. No, no, I, I kinda want a conservative in my life, is what I want.

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  Probably sixty percent of the conversations with feminists are, revolve around the idea that that video is trying to convey, which is where you, you can't have equality and equity, but then also demand privilege in society at the same time. And that's what those all are, aren't they? What, what he's really pointing out is you, you're, you're getting all sorts of privileges that would never be afforded to me. It's instantly assumed I pay your bill. It's instantly assumed that I protect you. It's instantly assumed that you get the spot on the lifeboat if we're on the Titanic. This is all instantly just assumed. It's baked into the pie, right? Well, the thing is, is that if that's the case, what are men getting? This was my argument with, um, what's her name? Tommy Lauren, right?

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  The idea on, and that was a huge viral clip on Pierce Morgan as well with Tommy Lauren, where I took her to task on this very same concept.

• 1:39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the topic?

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  Well, in this case, we were discussing, uh, she was basically saying that men are a bunch of sassy pants man babies now and this and that. And I took her to task on it and pointed out to her that, well, you can, you'll see in the clip, I guess.

• 1:39:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this it?

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Uh, I believe so.

• 1:39:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Let, let's see, glimpse of it.

• 1:39:38Speaker 12

  So I'm really anxious to weigh in. Okay. So I think over the last probably ten years, there has been what I call the pussification of men. It was, everything should be about your emotions and your feelings and men were emasculated and this whole concept of toxic masculinity warped the minds of a lot of young men. And they felt masculine, they wanted to be masculine, but society was telling them they should be softer, that it was being toxically masculine if you wanted to play sports and chop wood and go to war. And so men were so emasculated and so beat down that then there was this revolution of what was actually toxic masculinity. Tate brothers and others, which I feel as a female that that doesn't represent

• 1:40:22Speaker 12

  true masculinity, that to me represents douchebaggery. And as a woman, I want a strong man who is a protector and a provider that will go to war if need be, that will protect me, protect my family, make money. I see that as being actually masculine. That's like the man that I grew up with, my dad. But what we're seeing now is these young men who look at Andrew Tate and the Tate brothers, and they see somebody who's just quite frankly a douchebag and disrespects women. And because they've been so emasculated, they're like, oh, great, that's a manly man. But that's not right either. So at some point, I think we'll go back to maybe meeting in the middle here. You can be a man who has feelings and emotions, but you can also go to war and protect and defend your family. That's not a girl, it's a guy.

• 1:41:07Speaker 12

  But the two extremes right now, they're confusing men and quite frankly, they're leaving women with few choices. And that's the real tragedy here.

• 1:41:16Speaker 13

  You see, I completely agree with you, but Andrew, you were shaking your head quite vigorously. Why?

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I mean, it's just more feminine or feminist nonsense ultimately. And the covert feminism in society is big, especially on the conservative side. So here's, here's what happens, right? Women need to have feminine virtues for men to be pursuing masculine virtues, for you to say things like, well, men, what I want is for men to protect me and I want men to make money. Well, that's great. What that ends up doing is it gives you a set of privilege in society. What do men get? What do men get for doing that for you? What are we getting from women for doing that? Are we getting chaste virgins on our wedding night? No, we're not getting chaste virgins on our wedding night. Are we getting women of great virtue? No, we're not getting women of great virtue.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  The idea of courtly love is supposed to be done for women of great virtue. Where are they? Well, they're nowhere. And so in modernity in society, when conservative influencer, female conservative influencers say this, it's actually a form of covert feminism. They're saying, I want privilege in society, right? But what is it women are giving to men to get it? What? What are they giving them?

• 1:42:26Patrick Bet-David?

  What did she say?

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  She had no answer.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  She said, she said, "Men are just wired to do it." That was her response. "Men are just, I just believe men are wired to do that." "Yes, I kid you not." That was her response. "I believe men are, that's why it went so viral." Because she said, "I just think that, I just think men are wired that way." "They're wired to be my slave." "They're wired to go and make my money and put me in a position of privilege and this and that." "In fact, you're lucky." "Don't you feel lucky that you're allowed to do that for her?" "You're a lucky guy. You're a real lucky guy."

• 1:43:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Who, who has spooked you in a debate? Who's, who's gotten you raged? Who's gotten you fully pissed off where you're like, you wanted to, you know, destroy them, but they actually got you a little bit?

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, that's happened a few times in various debates.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  The thing is, is I've debated with hundreds of people over the years, you know what I mean? And over, over that course, you're gonna lose your cool from time to time. People often will take personal jabs, they'll attack you, this and that. It's very trendy for people to attack my wife, for instance. They know that the, one of the pathways to attack somebody who has a family is what? It's through the family, right? This is a way that they can try to get a rise out of you, various things like this. Uh, so there's been multiple instances where this has happened, where, um, you know, I'm human, I'm gonna get upset from time to time. Usually that's not the case. I don't think that you can judge or assess a person's entire body of work on whether or not they get upset here and there, uh, when they're debating various people,

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  especially if, uh, people are bad faith, or they're clip farming. I get that a lot. I'll be debating with people, especially TikTokers, and they're all just clip farming. They're looking for rage bait, in other words.

• 1:44:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, uh, what's his name?

• 1:44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Muhammad Ali. As much as they call him the greatest of all time, the guy's been, has lost six times. You know this, right? Do you know his record?

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Muhammad Ali?

• 1:44:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. He's the GOAT.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  Is he?

• 1:44:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Who would you put ahead of him? Look at his record. Fifty, fifty-six and five. Fifty-six and five. And if you ever go to the Muhammad, didn't we go to the Muhammad Ali Museum together?

• 1:44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did.

• 1:44:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And you see all the times, you go downstairs, they got this place in a basement, which that day we were there, who was there? Bob Costas was there?

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  Bob, Bob Costas was walking.

• 1:44:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who was the small guy? Bob Costas.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  That was him.

• 1:44:58Patrick Bet-David?

  The Bob Costas.

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Bob Costas to see if that's him or not? I think it was Bob Costas. He was there.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, 100% he was there.

• 1:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, by the way.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  That guy loves Trump. He's a Trump lover. That guy, I saw him with a MAGA shirt on, and then he took that one off and he had another one on.

• 1:45:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He's joking, by the way.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Completely, this guy cannot stand him. He's like...

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  He's TDS.

• 1:45:17Patrick Bet-David?

  But I, I would say, you know, you know, at first,

• 1:45:22Patrick Bet-David?

  at first when we went to the museum, I thought he was a jockey.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  See, is, is he on the smaller side?

• 1:45:33Patrick Bet-David?

  No, because we're there for the Derby, so I thought one of the like veteran, well-known jockeys was...

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  Five-seven?

• 1:45:40Speaker 02

  Pat, Pat, Pat looked at him and went like this, "Hey, good luck tomorrow."

• 1:45:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I was like, wow. Let me go ask him, like, can I get an autograph? Maybe it's a legendary, no, there's no way he's five-seven.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Oh my, no, he's...

• 1:45:51Patrick Bet-David?

  There's no way he's five-seven.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  And he's, no, he's strong.

• 1:45:53Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not five-seven.

• 1:45:53Speaker 02

  No, he's, he's lower than that. But they have me as 5'10" over there. I'm freaking 5'8 and a half.

• 1:45:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I thought, I thought, I was like, listen.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  Well, it's in school.

• 1:46:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go take a picture with a legendary jockey like that.

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 1:46:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That is Bob Costas. So, by the way, Bob, if you forgive me, I just for sure for a split second, I thought it was like, I wanted to get an autograph with some of the jockeys. I love, I love going to the Derby. And then you're like, I think that's Bob Costas. Totally threw me off. Go ahead.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Oh, I was saying, interestingly enough with debates, there's people who you can beat on 90% of the topics, who might be able to beat you on 10% of them.

• 1:46:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  So it depends on the, the person, the topic, the situation, right?

• 1:46:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You know Sam Shumman, you know Sam Shumman, who he is?

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  Shumman.

• 1:46:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Shumman, Shumman. Sam Shumman was here, he says, "If you want me to debate an atheist, I'm not the guy." If you want me to debate a, you know, uh, uh, whatever other, I'm not the guy. I'm the guy you want me to debate Muslims.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  About Quran.

• 1:46:50Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it, Quran. I'm that guy.

• 1:46:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:46:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Anybody else, anything else, I'm not your guy for. If it's that topic, I'll show up. If it's not, I won't show up.

• 1:46:59Speaker 01

  Know your strength.

• 1:47:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Good point.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, and I understand that completely. Now, I have a much wider array of things that I debate than most debaters do. Much, much wider. Everything from feminine feminism to communism to, I mean, you name it. And I've probably been on the other end debating it, and I have to debate it competently. And I have to have it.

• 1:47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Who haven't you debated that you would like to debate?

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  Uh, David Pakman.

• 1:47:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You have not?

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I'd love that. Yeah, I've been asking, I've been asking, they've sent him emails, multiple people have tried to set it up, and the guy's just a chicken shit. He just refuses to debate with me. Just refuses. Oh, he's so. But he's been, he's been on my list for a while of, uh, yeah, him and then Parker from TikTok. He's been ducking a moderated debate with me. The only way he'll debate, most of these TikTokers, is if you have to go to their channel where they can mute you. Right? Where they can lower your audio. Oh, this guy. Where it's completely and fundamentally unfair. That's the only way they'll do a debate. And so I'm, you know, I offered Parker $10,000. This guy? To do, yeah, to do a moderated debate. And he won't do it? And he won't do it. No, these guys are. These are the biggest, yeah, biggest chicken shits that I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  And so, and I've tangled with him on Pierce and other places like this. He always loses, but, and I understand why they don't want to do moderated debates, because they can't just click the mute button and then that's the end of it. But yeah, wide variety of topics, I'm always happy to get into, all across the political spectrum. And even, I do engage somewhat in theology, though I think that there's better apologists than I am, for sure. That's not my strength. My strength is the political arm. So, um, that's, that's what I do. But yes, it does depend, the person, the, the day, what the topic is, this and that, you know what I mean? So if I'm debating with Destiny on meta ethics, he's going to lose, right? But it's possible that we could be debating on some other topic, you know, that he beats me.

• 1:48:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Like video games or something like that?

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  Or, you know, there could be, uh, some political thing that he's been studying nonstop, that he's just more familiar with than me. Maybe he beats, uh, beats the, the tar off of me on those, right? Or beats, beats tar out of me on those. Uh, but then he gets into meta ethics and he completely gets destroyed and devastated. So there's a lot of that that goes on. Some of these debates will go for five or six hours. You know, like the, the last debate that I had there where it went viral because this, this chick basically said that my wife should have killed her kids and it would have made her less promiscuous. That's what she said, not kidding.

• 1:49:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's this?

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  I don't even want to get into it, but anyway, uh, that's what she said. So ultimately what happens is, uh, this, with this chick, I was debating with her for six hours. Right? She finally took a.

• 1:49:37Patrick Bet-David?

  For what?

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  She finally took a, well, we just went over a huge wide variety of topics. She got beaten on every single topic.

• 1:49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she a famous debater?

• 1:49:46Speaker 01

  She's basically, no, not at all.

• 1:49:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she a be back on whatever, like the people that watch whatever have seen her many times?

• 1:49:53Speaker 01

  One time.

• 1:49:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So how did she get on the show?

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. So again.

• 1:49:58Patrick Bet-David?

  We gotta call Brian, like, what are you doing? You gotta get this under control, buddy.

• 1:50:02Speaker 01

  When it comes to Brian, he knows this about me, right? I'm probably, if you offer me a debate, I'm probably just gonna go do the debate. Like that's, that's likely gonna happen. It doesn't really matter with who.

• 1:50:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You debated this girl for six hours?

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Bam.

• 1:50:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what, what are you guys talking about for six hours?

• 1:50:20Speaker 01

  She's a communist feminist. So we went over a wide array of topics. So this is like, yeah, six hour debate. Naima, I've done four or five hour debates with the Jubilee All-Star. Right? I do think that that's way too long for a debate. I think, you know, two or three is much more reasonable.

• 1:50:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I've seen her. Yeah, I've seen her with, oh, she, she's the one that looked at Charlie when Charlie smiled and said, ooh, that's a bad smile. And she tried to disrespect them right off the bat. I don't like that approach.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  If you ever want to see her, she started the debate with me by saying she was a Jubilee All-Star.

• 1:50:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I called herself that?

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I took, I spent a good two hours just completely dismantling her and made her look like the dumbest person on planet earth because she is.

• 1:51:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she though? Is she, is she smart or?

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  No, she's an idiot. Complete moron.

• 1:51:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Qualified.

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:51:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Qualified.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  If you, if you, if you want to laugh your ass off tonight, go home and watch the debate that I did with her, the last debate that I did with her in this series, um, where she claims she's a Jubilee All-Star, and watch her, I make her argue against her own position and she doesn't even know I'm doing it.

• 1:51:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What's this clip, Rob? What is this? Let's watch maybe two of these clips and then let's wrap it up. This one is what?

• 1:51:28Speaker 06

  Uh, it says here, uh, "I'm insulting each other during a debate on whatever Podcast 23."

• 1:51:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know what this one's about, or?

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  No, I don't, I don't know. "Through your worldview, can you explain how forced doctrine is wrong outside of preference or not?"

• 1:51:43Speaker 14

  No, Andrew. By the way, what I was just doing is proving through your own ethical framework, why you don't deserve shit. You don't deserve a thank you for women from following the teachings of your own ethical framework brought to you by your God. Why should women thank men? That's what you wanted. You wanted a thank you from women for not [BLEEP] us, for doing the absolute bare minimum, which your own ethical framework acknowledged is the absolute bare [BLEEP] minimum.

• 1:52:10Speaker 01

  But that's my, you're just making my point. Are all men Christians?

• 1:52:13Speaker 14

  No.

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  Then should we thank them?

• 1:52:15Speaker 14

  Well, yes, they're following their own secular ethical framework that is teaching them not to just maim other women.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  So you should say, so you should thank men?

• 1:52:23Speaker 14

  Well, I mean, not you.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  But you should thank, I didn't say me, you said men. So you should thank men?

• 1:52:28Speaker 14

  I guess I should thank natural law. Thank you, natural law. I agree.

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  How does nat-, what?

• 1:52:32Speaker 14

  Because it's objectively immoral. Because it's objectively immoral to kill people, Andrew.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  It's objectively immoral, I just can't demonstrate it.

• 1:52:39Speaker 14

  Do you not think that killing is objectively immoral?

• 1:52:42Speaker 01

  Only from my view, but not from yours.

• 1:52:43Speaker 14

  Uh, no, from everyone's view.

• 1:52:45Speaker 01

  No, not from, no.

• 1:52:46Speaker 14

  From literally everyone's view.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  It's not literally from everyone's view.

• 1:52:48Speaker 14

  Kind of, yeah.

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  Kind of, no.

• 1:52:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Kind of, yeah.

• 1:52:50Speaker 01

  Okay. From a Muslim's view, is it objectively immoral to take away rights from women?

• 1:52:56Speaker 15

  I mean, I'm not Muslim.

• 1:52:57Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:52:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Jeez.

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  Jeez. That's the argument.

• 1:53:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but I watched her on Charlie. That's the place I've seen her.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Where she was on the debate with Charlie. And then what's the other one, Rob? Do two, do one more, and then the six-hour debate girl? This is the six-hour debate girl?

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I'll try to rephrase this. I'm gonna reframe. And I'm just gonna be totally honest with you. I will never be able to convince you of my worldview.

• 1:53:25Speaker 15

  You won't.

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  I know. But the reason is not because I'm not a great orator, or I don't make good points, or I haven't said things which should be compelling to a person. But Charlie, I just think honestly, you're too fucking stupid to understand them. Which is true.

• 1:53:40Speaker 15

  So Andrew, can I, um...

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  The guy in the middle.

• 1:53:44Speaker 15

  Your wife has three baby daddies and has been married twice before.

• 1:53:48Speaker 01

  And you, and...

• 1:53:49Speaker 15

  Um, under, under your...

• 1:53:50Speaker 01

  And you lick, you lick sniz.

• 1:53:51Speaker 15

  Under your religion.

• 1:53:52Speaker 01

  You lick sniz.

• 1:53:54Speaker 15

  What is that?

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  You're a fucking dyke. Don't talk shit about my wife, you stupid bitch. Shut your fucking mouth. Shut your stupid bitch mouth.

• 1:54:00Speaker 15

  Your wife with the three baby daddies?

• 1:54:02Speaker 01

  What did I just say? Dyke?

• 1:54:03Speaker 15

  Your wife with the three baby daddies?

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm sorry, dyke. Is she morally inconsequential in comparison to your ditch licking?

• 1:54:09Speaker 15

  The men that you try to...

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Do the women that you try to...

• 1:54:12Speaker 15

  Show your hatred against...

• 1:54:13Speaker 01

  Do the women that you try to...

• 1:54:15Speaker 15

  Convince them that they shouldn't...

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  You know, Charlie, did I bring...

• 1:54:17Speaker 15

  Pursue women, do they know that your wife is five years older?

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Did I bring any of your family into anything?

• 1:54:22Speaker 15

  You call me fucking stupid.

• 1:54:23Speaker 01

  Did I say anything about, about your family being stupid, Charlie?

• 1:54:26Speaker 15

  You could, you could go for it.

• 1:54:27Speaker 01

  It's because I'm better than you, Charlie.

• 1:54:28Speaker 15

  No, it's because you're embarrassed, and you know that the traditional values that you try to sell people on are bullshit because you are not a traditional man.

• 1:54:34Speaker 01

  Chuck, let's go through it.

• 1:54:36Speaker 15

  You are not a traditional man.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  Let's go through it, Chuck. Tell me what I'm doing which is immoral. Chuck, six hours? Mm-hmm. Jeez.

• 1:54:44Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you say to her? What she said? What was the argument?

• 1:54:47Speaker 01

  Well, from there, what she did was she tried to go on to say that I'm a hypocrite, because I tell men not to get married to single moms, which is not true. I have a nuanced position, which is, it works out not so good for most people, but it's, there's nothing ethically which is wrong with that. And then went on to say that she had slept with ten guys. And that, and she's in her early twenties, right? She slept with ten guys. And that's okay because abortion is there. And so abortion basically hides the crime. And so what my wife should have done is just have a series of abortions. And if she had done that, then she wouldn't be viewed as promiscuous by society. That, that was her argument. Abortion is there to hide the crime. Jeez. That's her argument. That's her argument. What a...

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, sick person. So what happened is, a sequence of TikTokers who absolutely hate me, clipped this up out of context, right, and put it out there as though I was having some kind of meltdown. Clearly not. Rewatching that just now, it doesn't look like a meltdown to me. It looks to me like I'm defending myself and defending my position. And this chick went personal, and so I gave her the personal jabs back. That's how it goes in debates. Is she, is she lesbian or straight? She's a detransitioner. What does that mean? It means that she was a female to male tranny.

• 1:56:12Speaker 03

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• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  I can't go, like, that's too technical.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  Did she chop off anything?

• 1:56:41Speaker 01

  She, okay. So is that's a guy? No, that's a girl.

• 1:56:44Speaker 02

  She identified, I'd admit.

• 1:56:45Speaker 01

  But, but took a bunch of hormones to become a guy.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:56:48Speaker 01

  Is what she did, and then detransitioned from that. That's wrong.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Why would she, why would she, why would she he do that? Why, why, if you're gonna go for it, what, what was the, was there an explanation for why?

• 1:57:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  She went to he and then back?

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  I wasn't, I wasn't particularly... Was she attractive? She looks attractive. I don't know, but I wasn't particularly... I'm asking that, like, what causes an attractive girl to do that? Oh, well, she has a mind virus. She has a leftist mind virus. Like she's all about the gays and all about the, you know, she's all about that shit.

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  So now, so now she's, she's back to a woman, but she's dating women. She's with women.

• 1:57:24Speaker 01

  And men.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  Oh, she's, okay.

• 1:57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So she's, she doesn't discriminate. She wants both.

• 1:57:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, she wants, she does both, yeah. So what I, what happened there was, um, that exchange, right, when she tried to take a shot, I took a shot back and then went on to debunk her point. I disproved it and she said that women should be having abortions to basically cover up their promiscuity. That was what her, her actual argument was. But what her initial attempt was, was that I was some kind of hypocrite within my own ethical view, but never could demonstrate how. So I was like, how? What's the hypocrisy? What's wrong with a Christian dating a woman who has children? And apparently the perceived, uh, hypocrisy is that, well, you give men, you tell men that that's a low value woman or that they can't be loved and that, and I'm like, I've never said any of that shit. What the hell are you talking about?

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  And I think what happens is because I'm in red pill spaces a lot, or I'm in manifestive spaces a lot, debating with feminists and other people, that people attribute their worldview to me. Even though I've never said any of this shit. I don't know what the hell they're talking about, right? I, I just had done in this debate series previously.

• 1:58:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, to, to be, to be fair to you, a guy from a Lila Roses community as a man may say that, but that's not you. You understand what I'm saying? Like, you know how their position is the, I'm saving myself. I don't drink, I don't do this, I don't do that and I'm, and I played right my entire life and you shouldn't do this. You're not saying that.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  No, that's not the point.

• 1:58:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Even at the beginning of the podcast, you said, I don't even like giving people advice.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 1:58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Because, you know, it may or may not work.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  Well, and the thing is, is unless you're intricately familiar with a person, you're probably gonna give them bad advice. And people, the, the thing is really funny about this is people often will lie to you. They don't want to tell you the exact details of what's going on, even when they're asking you for advice. Because they, they want to be judged a certain way. And this actually hurts the advice process as well.

• 1:59:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  Right? Because now you're giving them advice based on things or they may not even be telling you the truth about, which could lead them astray too. That's not my thing.

• 1:59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I can understand the argument, though. I can understand the argument of somebody saying, uh, uh, you claim to be this, but then you ended up with a girl that... I can understand that argument.

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  Yes, but it has to have merit. So the thing is, yeah.

• 1:59:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it has to have merit, and not only that, the hypocrisy comes if you judge others who did that. And if you do, you're gonna get pushback.

• 1:59:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:59:52Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're doing that. But if it's like, listen, here's the reason. I was a mess. I was partying, I was drinking, I was doing this. I found her. She changed my life. We went through a season together. We dated for six years. We didn't get married right off the bat. We were not ready to. Six years later, we did. We've been married for 12 years. This is how our stories. Okay, great.

• 2:00:14Speaker 01

  Um, well, advocacy too, is situations require nuance.

• 2:00:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  There may be times where I attack a single mother for the conditional of being a single mother, depending on why. So for instance, let's say that there's a woman who says, uh, I'm a single mom by choice because I hate men and don't want my kid to have a father in their life, right? I'm definitely gonna attack that position.

• 2:00:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  But that's not attacking her because she's a single mother.

• 2:00:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Speaker 01

  That's attacking the conditionals around why.

• 2:00:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I saw a video the other day. Uh, uh, oh my God. I was, I cannot, Vinnie, I cannot tell you how impressed and confused I was.

• 2:00:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:00:57Patrick Bet-David?

  With the way you, you, because it's not common. Let me see if this is the one. Rob, I'm gonna send it to you. See if you can pull this up. They're having a conversation. She's looking at, she's talking to guys. Says, what would you like to do on the first date? This is the one, Rob. Okay? You know this thing where you pop the balloon? I don't know if you've seen the pop the balloon stuff that, you know?

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this one guy comes up and the girl in the red dress. Okay, is this the one, Rob? Yeah. Do you have it? I do. You gotta see this, Vinnie. I have a feeling you're gonna try to find her and slide in her DMs.

• 2:01:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:01:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You'll see why in a minute.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Halsem Christian.

• 2:01:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, Vinnie.

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  Dog, yeah.

• 2:01:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Just watch. Just watch. Go ahead. That's the one.

• 2:01:38Speaker 10

  I'm gonna let you ask the question because you are the initiator and I'll follow that.

• 2:01:44Speaker 16

  So what does your initial first date look like with a man?

• 2:01:49Speaker 10

  My initial first date is asking him what, where he wants to bring me. And daytime, is he a planner? So I will know kind of where he's at and what he has in store and what type of life I would be walking into. So my initial first date would be up to the man. I would not want to be the one planning that.

• 2:02:14Speaker 16

  Okay. Well, I wasn't saying like, plan like, what type of stuff are you, would you like to do on the first date? As far as, are you into?

• 2:02:20Speaker 10

  I want to do what he wants to do.

• 2:02:22Speaker 16

  Oh, I like that.

• 2:02:23Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 2:02:23Speaker 16

  Okay.

• 2:02:24Speaker 10

  Cause I, I'm, I'm there to learn him and I'm there to know him.

• 2:02:28Speaker 16

  But he gotta learn you too, though.

• 2:02:30Speaker 10

  And he'll learn me when I walk into his world.

• 2:02:32Speaker 16

  Ooh, goddamn, okay.

• 2:02:35Speaker 10

  But walk into my world first, I'm not providing a world for you. So my world-

• 2:02:40Speaker 01

  Did you get it?

• 2:02:40Speaker 10

  Really doesn't matter.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  She's like, show me you, she's riding on you.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  Let him keep playing.

• 2:02:45Speaker 10

  Of what, what have I cultivated?

• 2:02:47Speaker 16

  Yeah.

• 2:02:47Speaker 10

  Have I nurtured my world? Where's, where can my world take him, right? When I enter his world? So that's why I won't present the preconceived notion of what I want to do. Because he might show me something new and now I just limited myself.

• 2:03:03Speaker 01

  Lower the music.

• 2:03:04Speaker 10

  So what I'm already exposed to. And I never gave him a chance to set me into his world, so.

• 2:03:10Speaker 16

  Man, okay. Can, can we bring her up here or what?

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  Like, like, I would have been like- Did you? What'd you think about that? I mean, here's the thing, you gotta be cautious. So after, after having talked to just- I'd like, I'd love to, the appropriate place for her to be is on the Whatever Podcast. Well, maybe, but the thing is, is after having talked with hundreds of women- Yeah. On that podcast and male feminists as well. They're the best. There are, there are chameleons and femcons and things like this who will adopt this worldview and pretend that, that, that it's their worldview when it's really not. And it's a way for them to compete in, in a hypergamous nature for what they consider a high value man to be. They're adopting the talking point. So it's an act.

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  Can be, it's not always, but it can be. You know her? No, I don't know who she is. Do you know her, Rennie? Not yet. But I'm, I'm just, I'm just always cautious. Enter my world. Just see me like this, huh? Because I've heard, I've heard this type of spiel many times before and I ask a couple of questions and the whole thing falls apart. What are the two questions? What do you ask? Well, usually I'll just ask things like, who's the ultimate decider and why? Like, why, why does a man, why is the man, why is, why does he get to be the ultimate decider in this thing? How come? If you have like, you're, let's say that the two of you have a disagreement and you can't come to terms. Yeah. And you feel very strongly about it. Why does he, why do you, why do you defer to him?

• 2:04:44Speaker 01

  Why does he get to make the ultimate decision? And oftentimes you'll hear him say things, very quickly they change their tune into things like, well, I just wouldn't be with a person if we came to an impasse that we couldn't agree on. And I'm like, well, you realize in relationships, that's gonna happen. And most people don't know that. Most people haven't been in long-term enough relationships to realize impasses do happen and one person actually does have to ultimately be the decider when that impasse happens and the other person is gonna have to go along with it. Or else there's not gonna be a relationship. Like, there's gonna be a point in almost every relationship where that happens. And for a lot of these people, they don't even understand that. They have no concept of that. They think that everything is a discussion and a democracy and

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  uh, you know, the two of us will come to some kind of even ground here. And it's like, that's not always the case. And when it's not the case, you're gonna have to defer to one of you. So which one? Which one gets to make the decision? So she says, the man? Well, if she says the man, I usually will just ask, and why? Why the man? Cause he's the leader of the household. Usually they'll say some things like that, uh, but sometimes they'll, they'll usually revert back to, well, I just wouldn't be with a person like that. Right, and it's like, if they say, because he's the head of the household, and I have a traditional upbringing, that's why, that's a fair answer. Right, but the femcon will say, I just wouldn't be with a man like that.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  I want a man who's, I'm equally yoked with ultimately, right, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and it comes back down to egalitarianism, so. I'm just always cautious on first answers, because, uh, women, not just women, but men too, like to put their best foot forward.

• 2:06:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Right, and so, you've just gotta be cautious.

• 2:06:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, the reason why I played that out is because Vinny and her have been dating for seven months. And I wanted to see what you were gonna say about her. He fell for it.

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  I love Andrew.

• 2:06:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He fell for it.

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  What the?

• 2:06:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  True.

• 2:06:39Speaker 02

  Wait, what if I?

• 2:06:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you bring her in, Rob, real quick?

• 2:06:42Speaker 02

  And what if I now just like?

• 2:06:44Patrick Bet-David?

  She cheated on me on the second date.

• 2:06:48Patrick Bet-David?

  No, there's no relation, we've never met her before, we're just having fun with you. Well, Andrew, um, you know, there's characters online that I watch. And I'm interested in them as a human being. I did the same thing with, you know, uh, uh, other guys I brought on, I think we did the one with Nick a couple of months ago, just to find out why he believes in what he believes in. And you learn more. This was a great exercise, learning more about you. And, uh, anybody that's watching this, that wants to ask this man any question. For him to piss you off, or for you to piss him off, you can ask a question, I believe on Manect, if I'm not mistaken, Rob. Natalia was telling me their account was set up in the past, so if we can set that up for him to be able to ask the question, you can ask him a question on Manect. And where can people find you? What podcast?

• 2:07:31Speaker 01

  You can find me on The Crucible on YouTube. I also have a daily show on Rumble, called The Extravaganza. Um, that runs four days a week, Monday through Thursday. And you can also find me on Twitter X, um, I, I, I, maybe I shouldn't say Twitter X anymore, just X, I guess.

• 2:07:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I still say Twitter.

• 2:07:50Speaker 01

  I do too.

• 2:07:52Speaker 02

  Hi now.

• 2:07:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Tweet, I just tweeted, send a tweet.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  It's way more catchy, isn't it?

• 2:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Twitter?

• 2:07:56Speaker 02

  Tweet.

• 2:07:56Patrick Bet-David?

  It is.

• 2:07:57Speaker 01

  It's way more catchy.

• 2:07:58Speaker 02

  Like, what do you do on X? You just post? I just posted something on X too much?

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:08:02Speaker 02

  Too many words.

• 2:08:02Speaker 01

  But yeah, I'm, uh, I'm there, I'm at Paleo ChristCon on X, and, uh, you can also find. Uh, let's see, what else do I have going on? That's, that's the main ones.

• 2:08:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's put those below, Rob.

• 2:08:14Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:08:14Patrick Bet-David?

  And, uh, Andrew, God willing, you'll get a chance to debate, uh, Pacman. And, uh, we've had him here before. He was a great salesperson at Circuit City back in the day. He loves getting paid commission. Bring that up when you do talk to him. He's a big commission guy.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Oh, man. I should've talked out into one more story with you.

• 2:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that?

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  The, the Unfuck America Tour. You know what that is?

• 2:08:35Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:08:35Speaker 01

  Have you ever heard of that?

• 2:08:36Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:08:37Speaker 01

  The Unfuck America Tour is-

• 2:08:38Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a real thing?

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  It's a real thing. Okay, so you're speaking about Destiny and these people, right?

• 2:08:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I'm talking about, uh, Pacman.

• 2:08:44Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:08:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:45Speaker 01

  I know, but these all, all, I think all these people, including Pacman, I'm not sure if he's associated with it, but it wouldn't surprise me. Um, basically what they did was they followed around Charlie Kirk. This was a, a bunch of TikTokers and things like this. They followed around TPUSA in order to do debates on the same college campuses TPUSA was doing. Well, now they have, they're going across the street from Amfest in order to do some debates, reached out to me to negotiate a debate with Destiny and some other guy, right? So we get through, or we're going into negotiations, this and that. I go ahead and decline, right? Based on some of the criteria that I didn't like. And that was it, right? That's the end of the negotiations.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  The head of Unfuck America goes on Twitter, starts calling, starts calling me, and it was Myron Gaines, a coward and all sorts of other things, uh, on this debate that we had not even agreed to do. We were just in the negotiations for, right? Uh, Z or something like that. How is it that this organization is gonna bring right-wingers in to do these debates with their leftists? If you can't even negotiate with them without them, without them-

• 2:10:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this Amy Zellmer?

• 2:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Z, yeah, this, this one. I thought that that was, okay, now maybe I got this wrong. I thought that that was a trans. Honestly, I did. I thought it was a trans.

• 2:10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the founder of it?

• 2:10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I don't know if it's the founder, but I think it's the head.

• 2:10:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I see the picture, Rob?

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:10:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back, I just want to see the picture like.

• 2:10:18Speaker 02

  Well, you can't really tell.

• 2:10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it just.

• 2:10:21Speaker 02

  I wouldn't be able to say guy or girl.

• 2:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  And I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just, I'm being honest.

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  I get it, I thought, I thought so, but I guess I was wrong about that, but anyway. Um.

• 2:10:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Z. Cohen Sanchez.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, just freaks, freaks out about this whole thing. Uh, even though it never, it never got past the negotiation phase for, for an actual debate. It's the wildest thing in the world. But yeah, this is the, the, what's called the Unfuck America Tour. Just totally useless leftists who basically are piggybacking off of the success of TPUSA and Republican organizations to try to bait people in for debates. Wildest thing I've ever seen.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  Ugh.

• 2:11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting.

• 2:11:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. This all comes from another, they had another one before this, another, that all these streamers were involved in. Um, that, that wasn't called the Unfuck America Tour then, but basically they, an organization came in and bought up Twitch Politics and the streamers who were in Twitch Politics as well, and, uh, tried to turn them into a political apparatus and it was a big disaster, so. I can't wait to see this thing crash and burn either.

• 2:11:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Where, where are you at with the, the Turning Point USA, Candace, all that stuff? Have you commented on that or no?

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  I think that Candace is crazy.

• 2:11:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean.

• 2:11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 2:11:37Speaker 01

  Because she, I, I spent a lot of time, um, it's true, I didn't like her already because she, she attacked Steven Crowder when he needed her the most, right? But, um, that wasn't it. It was, I listened very carefully to what she was saying on the Brigitte Macron situation. Never a single piece of positive evidence that she brought to the table. Nothing. But when it came to the Charlie Kirk stuff, it's much, much, much worse. Almost no positive evidence, but the most important thing that drove me crazy is the lack of charitability. Meaning, there, people, the TPUSA camp, post assassination, they were coming out, they were talking,

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  they were discussing their various experiences, they were there, right? Well, when people have an event like that, they get details sometimes wrong, right? They don't have perfect recall in the details. So for instance, she was harping on a guy who said, you know, I remember the very first thing this other dude said was, you know, I gotta call Erica, and she's like, well, you know, that wasn't actually the first phone call they made. They made a different phone call and then called Erica, and it's like, who gives a shit, right? What does that mean? That's not telling us anything that's useful here, that's not giving us actual information. It's just being completely uncharitable to the person, uh, who may not have perfect recall after this traumatic event, or may remember events differently,

• 2:13:01Speaker 01

  which is why most of the time eyewitness testimony is considered somewhat unreliable in court, because people are flawed, they're less, you know, they, uh, they, they have less than perfect memories. They remember things out of sequence, or they might, they may remember an event very vividly, uh, but then give it added context or take context away from it. That's just how human beings operate. And most of the conjecture and conspiracy theories she puts up are due almost 100% just to a lack of charitability of what another person is saying. And it's like, uh, if she, if she had just added a, just a small amount of charitability when these people are telling their stories, she'd walk away with wildly different conclusions.

• 2:13:44Speaker 02

  Well, I was gonna ask, uh, the one thing, cause I haven't, I, A, I don't have the time, I'm not, I, we adore Charlie, but I don't have time to sit there and watch the whole three-month soap opera saga.

• 2:13:54Speaker 01

  That's what it is.

• 2:13:55Speaker 02

  I can't, I can't, I cannot do it, I have, I have so much stuff going on in my life. But the one thing that I just saw recently was, the, somebody, Charlie texted.

• 2:14:06Speaker 02

  Uh, Andrew Colbert or somebody the night before, this is like, this has just been proven with our conversation with Erica Kirk, and it's a fact. Charlie texted someone, I think one or two, Pat, the night before, and said, "They are trying to kill me." Full stop. The real question is, what would make, I know people sometimes say, like I just said before this podcast, "These guys, they want to kill me." I know they do. They text it, they're saying it. What would make Charlie, the day before he was actually assassinated, say, "They are trying to kill me," and who's they?

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  He didn't. The text actually said, "The left is trying to kill me." And that just came out. "The left is trying to kill me," and this was, this is what I mean by a lack of charitability. So when, would, that's a bold claim, right? "They're trying to kill me."

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, they are trying to kill me.

• 2:14:51Speaker 01

  Whole different statement than "the left is trying to kill me."

• 2:14:54Speaker 02

  Is that what, is that what it actually was?

• 2:14:55Speaker 01

  It's wants, it's wants, by the way. I don't think trying, it's wants. And I, I believe that what that, what that actually was, was "the left wants to kill me."

• 2:15:04Speaker 02

  See, I, I didn't, I didn't hear the left, the left part, but to say that the, the day before you get assassinated is pretty, like, I mean, because think about it, the left-

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you see the context change? Like-

• 2:15:13Speaker 02

  Big time.

• 2:15:14Speaker 01

  "They want to kill me."

• 2:15:15Speaker 02

  Or "the left wants to kill me."

• 2:15:17Speaker 01

  Massive context change, right?

• 2:15:19Speaker 02

  But I mean, I would like to see the, like, again, it's not the responsibility-

• 2:15:23Speaker 01

  Now, I believe, now, I mean, maybe I'm getting this detail wrong, and you guys can fact check me, I'm open to it right now, uh, to being fact checked on this, but I believe that that came out in her conversation with Erica Kirk, that the message actually said, "The left wants to kill me." Now, if I'm wrong about that, hey, I'll eat crow, but I do believe that that's what was said.

• 2:15:43Speaker 02

  I thought, I, I, I didn't hear that one.

• 2:15:45Speaker 01

  "They are going to kill me," she implied over and over, "it was Israel." She saw the text herself, and it clearly said "they" was "the left."

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  Well, they, they, clearly that they, but he didn't say, it wasn't in the text that it was the left, it's just "they." So, meaning in the context of the conversation, it was they. Still, still weird, the night before you get assassinated, the "they," I don't think he was talking about, you know, the furry-loving whatever, uh, what the hell is Tyler Robinson? But it's pretty wild.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  Even if the message itself, and maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong here, it didn't say specifically, "The left wants to kill me." But the precursor contextually was, "A bunch of leftists are after me," and then he says, "Yeah, they want to kill me." You know what I mean?

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  That's, that's the same exact thing, right, in context? And this is what I mean by just- And that comes down to a lack of charitability. It comes down to like, before you can make a judgment or an assessment like that, context is critical and key. And so many people jump the gun on these things because they refuse to wait for the additional context, the key context. And so they build frames around it, which are untrue. Remember back to the very first part of the conversation with Patrick. What did my dad teach me? To get to the core route. Most people believe things which are totally unfounded because they've been told to them, even though they have no justification for the things they say. That was one of those things.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  There wasn't actually good justification for her to immediately assume they meant Israel or anything else. And it could easily be a simple explanation, like somebody said, "Leftists are trying to kill you." "Oh yeah, they're always trying to kill me." You know what I mean? And that shifts context radically. And because of that, I find myself distrusting, very distrusting of any information which comes out of the Candace camp. I just do. Because every single time the context gets shown with it, it radically changes the situation.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  Do you trust the FBI? I mean...

• 2:17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think it's a dialectic. Like, they say if you don't trust Candace, it's Fed slop. You don't have to trust either. You don't have to believe that the FBI is being straightforward in this and that in a criminal case. You don't have to believe that at all. But what you should do is at least wait until they provide, the state provides the evidence. This guy's alive, he's not dead. He's there to answer, he can still answer questions, there's gonna be a trial. We can wait until the state presents its evidence and then poke holes in that evidence, right? And then attack that evidence. We don't have to make this giant speculative leap that foreign nations, especially Israel... Charlie Kirk was the biggest fucking Zionist on planet Earth. He was the biggest Zionist Christian I've ever seen.

• 2:18:22Speaker 01

  And to make this jump that Israel killed him, he was like their main cheerleader. It just, it always seemed absurd to me. But then, when you dive into it and you realize that very quickly context changes when we have more of a clear picture, it's like, I'm not willing to make the judgment assessment under Trump's FBI that they're just feeding me bullshit just yet. I wanna see what they have to say and I wanna see where the actual evidence leads.

• 2:18:46Speaker 02

  You saw that Dan Bongino yesterday stepping down.

• 2:18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:49Speaker 02

  So...

• 2:18:50Speaker 01

  That's terrible.

• 2:18:52Speaker 02

  But I mean, like, what is, but here's my thing. What would make somebody like that, who I know loves the country, that there's no question, there's absolutely zero question, what makes it Dan Bongino? Because I heard, and again, you're right, you have to wait for the, that it was going to be Cash, that he was not happy with Cash Patel's stance. But then to hear that it was Dan Bongino.

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  Well, and the thing is, is like, I remember watching Dan Bongino on the Epstein stuff, on Rumble.

• 2:19:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:19:17Speaker 01

  And that guy is a real smart guy.

• 2:19:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:19:19Speaker 01

  And he dove into, and I mean, he doesn't know who I am, which is fair enough. This guy's larger than life, he's huge. Um, but I remember listening to him, uh, tons and tons of times on the Epstein stuff, and he was really adamant, you know, and him getting in that FBI position, people had a lot of big expectations.

• 2:19:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  That, hey, uh, we got the guy in there who doesn't believe, and then when he came out and he was like, actually.

• 2:19:44Speaker 02

  He killed himself.

• 2:19:45Speaker 01

  It destroyed, I think that that was such a brutal killing blow to him. Um, and I'm not sure, here's what I wonder, and I do wonder this, right? And I'm, this is pure speculation, right? So you don't take it to the bank, anybody, okay? Just, just, uh, thoughts in my head. If he, when he went in there, he did see some things on Epstein that were that raised his eyebrows, and he was told to basically come out and say this, and he did, and he has a lot of regrets about it, and this is a reason he's leaving. This is a, a big form of speculation that's going on. I'm not sure that that's in any way that, or a shape or form of the case, though, so,

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  but it is something that's, has crossed my mind.

• 2:20:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:20:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:21:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I saw his post when he announced he's going into the FBI. He got a few hundred thousand likes. His post yesterday that he is stepping down. Um, let's see here. Uh, uh, uh, um. If you look at the post of him stepping down yesterday.

• 2:21:25Speaker 02

  I'm leaving right there, bud. 11.1 million views.

• 2:21:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. So to me. I don't know. Thank you. I, I think. I think people thought he was gonna go in and do stuff with Epstein. And the interview we all watched, we were all suspect about. The way he answered and he's doing stuff with his eyes and overreacting like.

• 2:21:47Speaker 01

  See now there with the Epstein stuff. There is compelling evidence. The brother of Epstein had, you know, the, the, um. You know, he had his own expert come in. To try to do analysis and verification on the official story and. He, they did present evidence that this. Looked like it possibly could have been a murder by suffocation and various things and. That evidence is at least compelling.

• 2:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  But the guy that brought in, the guy they brought in. Anybody that ever hired him. The guy sided with the person that paid him. I don't know if that makes sense.

• 2:22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So anybody that hired him to investigate who was behind it always sided with the person that paid him.

• 2:22:31Speaker 01

  Sure. However, that doesn't mean he's wrong.

• 2:22:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it doesn't mean he's wrong. But if you have six patterns of that happening and the guy's an 80 year old something guy.

• 2:22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's enough to raise an eyebrow about.

• 2:22:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It's enough to raise an eyebrow.

• 2:22:43Speaker 01

  But it's at least some evidence.

• 2:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure. I, it's something you ought to consider, but it goes back to when you're talking about. You know, when there's an eyewitness and it happens and people miss. Misremember the sequence of what happened first.

• 2:22:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, first they opened the door, then they walked in, then they shot. You sure? Did they shoot first then open? I don't remember. It's kind of like, so you don't, so, but, but you gotta put into consider it, but to me. When he does his first podcast in the next six months, if, how is he gonna do a podcast? Think about it. Is it gonna be 19 things I learned in the FBI that they don't want you to know about? He can't do that.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  No, of course not.

• 2:23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He can't do that, so okay.

• 2:23:24Speaker 02

  Not disclosure.

• 2:23:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So the entire time he's thinking about what things am I gonna comment on? What are you gonna comment on?

• 2:23:30Speaker 01

  What if, what if he came out and he's a whistleblower?

• 2:23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not gonna do that.

• 2:23:34Speaker 01

  Then protected under whistleblower laws.

• 2:23:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not gonna do that because I think

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  It would destroy him.

• 2:23:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The hardest part about, you know, when you, when you, when you join the mob and everything is a mob. It doesn't matter what you think about.

• 2:23:49Speaker 01

  When you're a made man, you don't just walk away, right?

• 2:23:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, he is a made man.

• 2:23:52Speaker 02

  He is. Great point.

• 2:23:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So he is a made man. So if you're gonna walk away and go back to regular life.

• 2:23:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, you better, you don't think they have stuff on everything with Dan and, you know, in this video, he's talking about how tough it is on his marriage and how, I don't know if you saw that interview. Says, "You realize how tough this is on my marriage? I don't see my wife. We're having a hard time. We're separated right now." He says, "Not separated, as divorced. We're just separated for the last six months." This is not a, this is not like a, you know, "Oh my God, what an awesome job. I can't wait to be, you know, the director or you do this." No, no, it's a pretty shitty job that you got.

• 2:24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially if you're a family guy.

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:24:31Patrick Bet-David?

  And Cash is not a family guy. Cash has got a girlfriend.

• 2:24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, then he's doing podcasts. Well, totally get it, but what I'm saying is he's got a girlfriend.

• 2:24:37Speaker 01

  Didn't his girlfriend sue Elisha Schaefer?

• 2:24:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know.

• 2:24:40Speaker 02

  She was getting sued because they said that she was a honeypot, allegedly, for Israel. And they sued him.

• 2:24:46Speaker 01

  Sued him for like 10 million dollars or something?

• 2:24:48Speaker 02

  I think we showed it, Pat. We made, he made a video. You played it a while ago about the guy saying, he's like, "Bro, I didn't say..."

• 2:24:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is Elisha Schaefer?

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  Elisha Schaefer, yeah, he's a podcaster.

• 2:24:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull him up real quick, Rob? I'll let you know the moment I see his face.

• 2:25:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, this guy.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  We showed it.

• 2:25:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, we made that video. But then, and I know we want to close that. You have to understand too, like what you're talking about, the conscience. They really, like, besides the, the influencers holding the Epstein list, which is complete BS, and it was such an embarrassment with all the lying from Pam Bondi and all these people. Just alone, Andrew, the doctored video of splicing out moments in his jail cell, of Epstein's jail cell, it's like, you guys took out 30 seconds. What are we doing, bro?

• 2:25:31Speaker 01

  It was, it was. Do you think, just to ask you directly?

• 2:25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  Right? Do you think that Trump is named in the Epstein files?

• 2:25:40Speaker 02

  I, I don't think his name is, if I had to guess and assume, I think very powerful people that he knows that gave him potentially money, they're on there. There's a lot of people.

• 2:25:49Speaker 01

  Is it a deal breaker for you?

• 2:25:51Speaker 02

  I, I don't like, I, I'm anti any, he knows this, he knows me more than anybody here. Anything with children, Andrew, as a Christian, Bible reading, the major, most warning spots in the Bible, I think it's Ephesians, chapter 12, something, something like that, verse 6, about harming children. That's the worst, you might as well tie a millstone around your neck and throw yourself in the deepest parts of the ocean, which the, the symbolism is, God sees everything. Why would God say in the deepest parts of the ocean? Cause he wants you out of his freaking sight.

• 2:26:22Speaker 01

  If it came out that Trump, not that Trump did any of this stuff, but just people adjacent to him.

• 2:26:28Speaker 02

  And he's protecting them?

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm.

• 2:26:30Speaker 01

  It's over, right?

• 2:26:31Speaker 02

  I'm done, I'm done.

• 2:26:32Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 2:26:32Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't play, Andrew.

• 2:26:34Speaker 01

  I think that that's the correct take, honestly. You know what my position is?

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  I love kids, I can't, I can't play that game.

• 2:26:40Speaker 01

  What about, what about the, I guess my last question for you, since I got you here is like, you do realize though, that our federal government engages in blackmail operations like that all over the world, along with other governments?

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26:54Speaker 01

  Sometimes to good effect. Like sometimes like that's really to our benefit that they do that, right?

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  It's he's he's sat there multiple times because Andrew great, I love that you said that. I had to wake up to that fact because I said, let justice be done though the heavens fall. Meaning if we're built on that, like, and I get what you're saying. How does God, the ultimate judge, look at us? Everything's people are manipulating each other and doing everything to to further the the dominance and the power of the United States. I am so anti, I get what you're saying and trust me, I know that they're doing it because it it didn't start with Trump. This has been going, it's such a powerful thing, Andrew, they've all been involved.

• 2:27:34Speaker 01

  Well, it's gone through four administrations, right?

• 2:27:36Speaker 02

  Four of them, yeah, so yeah, exactly. So my point is, my my attitude is, I understand 100% and he's he's explained and I get it. It's just, bro, I don't, I I know for a fact God isn't going, yeah, you know what? Keep the pedophilia a secret because X, Y, and Z are there and we have a good relationship with this country. I'm anti that 1,000% because God, God, you're not hiding from from him at all. He sees it all. He said, you were gonna say something to Pat before?

• 2:28:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I was gonna say what he said. I was gonna say what he said, which is, you know, um, uh, the what what is the? The inventory of intel that we've shared with Mossad? Let's say we go there, I've had Mark Epstein.

• 2:28:19Speaker 01

  And MI6.

• 2:28:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And MI6 and not just MI6 and Mossad.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  All, all of them.

• 2:28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Say you're sharing that intel with them. And say you have had control of some of the most powerful people that are evil people in the world. And you can hang on to that for all this time so they don't do anything dumb. Is that better to save the lives of current hundreds, if not millions of people?

• 2:28:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the argument. Argument is right. Okay, so you can, you can sit there and-

• 2:28:51Speaker 01

  But as a Christian, if, if he's, he's going from-

• 2:28:53Patrick Bet-David?

  As a Christian-

• 2:28:54Speaker 01

  He's going from Christian ethics though.

• 2:28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  As the Christian argument, you're the argument.

• 2:28:57Speaker 01

  So from the ethics-

• 2:28:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But remember-

• 2:28:59Speaker 01

  From the ethics side, it's like-

• 2:29:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump at Charlie Kirk's memorial, what did he say? I, I'm- He says- With evil enemies- His- Yep. Lord and Savior. Yes. He never said- He says, "With Charlie Kirk's- Lord and Savior. Lord and Savior. He never said "our." Nope. So to Trump, he, when he says, "I'm not going to heaven," Yeah. Maybe to him, he's accepted it. Yep. And he thinks to have this job, "I don't live by the standard you live." Yep. Then it is what it is.

• 2:29:25Speaker 01

  But if he's saying from his standard, from the standard of Christian ethics, he's saying, "Who cares?" Like even if it protects hundreds of thousands of people, it's not worth one kid having that happen. That's a remarkably consistent position. That I can't really beat a person up over, because it is consistent.

• 2:29:42Patrick Bet-David?

  There is, but to what extent? So, uh, uh, keep that position. To the extents of, extent of, you'd be willing to replace Trump for Kamala? To the extent of you'd be willing to replace Trump for Newsom? Or to the extent of you would be willing to replace Trump with a super conservative guy like a DeSantis?

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  Well-

• 2:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Then that's a different position.

• 2:30:01Speaker 01

  What if it's-

• 2:30:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That's primary. Yeah.

• 2:30:03Speaker 01

  But, what if we flipped it a little bit? Okay, I'm, I'm willing to do all of that, if it's the case that this behavior stops. Wouldn't that still be consistent? So, let's say, if, if you were to say, "Okay, I will replace Trump with Kamala," but only under the condition that these blackmail operations using underage kids as sexual objects also stops. And would you take the deal then?

• 2:30:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you believe somebody on the progressive side is gonna have that kind of a belief system?

• 2:30:33Speaker 01

  But, but, let's just say hypothetically though-

• 2:30:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Is a great thing.

• 2:30:36Speaker 01

  Well, let's just say hypothetically, they would. Would you make the deal then? Would you replace him then?

• 2:30:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What other values and principles would I need to accept that comes with that package?

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point. I agree.

• 2:30:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Would I need to accept the package of LGBTQ? Would I need to accept the package of allow 20 million immigrants to come in of which?

• 2:30:53Speaker 01

  Well, Trump's not exactly hard on the LGBTQ, to be fair.

• 2:30:56Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he's not. But you know what his argument was in 2016 when they asked him about it? In 2015, 20, in 2015, they asked him about it, they said, "So what is your position on LGBTQ?" He said, "Isn't that already a law? What are we talking about? Let's move on."

• 2:31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:07Patrick Bet-David?

  It was a two-second conversation. And he moved on from it, right? Because he, Trump is very calculating. He looks at what are the top five issues? Why would I make a 12-issue a number three issue? No. Boom. Here's my top five issue. They're sending their worst, their rapist, their this, their that, and we gotta build a wall. Boom. Go. Yes, I'm behind it. Then comes in, "Hey, guys are praying over him. Is he a Christian? Is he not a Christian? Nobody knows you." "I used to go to the church of Norman Vincent Peale with Power of Positive Thinking, and that's a different Christian Power of Positive Thinking."

• 2:31:42Speaker 01

  You don't think that that's a more, a more powerful argument?

• 2:31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Which one?

• 2:31:45Speaker 01

  They, well, so the argument from complexity. He's saying like, "Look, this is a really complex world that we live in, and even if it was the case that Trump knew about this and is protecting these people, the greater harm actually would be to allow Kamala Harris to perform another 700,000 abortions this next year."

• 2:32:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And that, and that's, yeah, that's such a, it's such a freaking crazy, like, I'm, I, any, 100%, like, I'm, I'm- You know what, you know what George Clooney said? He said something about, uh, if somebody harms my kid, I don't know what it was.

• 2:32:19Speaker 01

  Who was this?

• 2:32:20Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, uh-

• 2:32:22Speaker 01

  Clooney?

• 2:32:22Patrick Bet-David?

  He says something about, he says something about guns or, I don't know what the argument was. But the argument was, "I don't believe in that policy." Because it was a conservative policy. He says, "But if somebody did this to my daughter, I would go and kill them. And I would gladly go to jail." Okay? Okay. What's the point?

• 2:32:51Patrick Bet-David?

  If you find out that happened to your, your whatever kid, somebody that niece, nephew, and you're like, "Oh, you did that?" No problem.

• 2:33:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll go to jail for life. I'll come and take you on. Like, who was the UFC fighter, right? And I gotta wrap it up because Mateo keeps asking me.

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  He just, uh...

• 2:33:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Dos Santos?

• 2:33:10Speaker 02

  He just got, um, possibility of parole.

• 2:33:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  He just...

• 2:33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  He, when I said, "What did you do?" Boom. And he shot him. I don't know what he did. He kicked his ass. He did something to him.

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Kane, Kane Velasquez?

• 2:33:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Kane Velasquez?

• 2:33:23Speaker 02

  There he is. There he is, Robbie. He just got, he just, he just hit the news.

• 2:33:26Patrick Bet-David?

  If you go to news, Rob, go back and just go to news, you know, uh...

• 2:33:32Speaker 02

  He's parole eligibility. He went after the guy that molested somebody in his family.

• 2:33:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Nephew or something like that, right? So to me, you know, that's where you sit there and you say, "I'm gonna either leave it up to God, the 14-year-old kid with a 10-year-old son that he experienced 10 years ago," which I think that you told me was, you haven't spoken about this, but one other time.

• 2:33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  In that moment,

• 2:34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  what do you do? Do you leave it up to God? Or do you go and say, "Really? Eye for an eye. I'm coming." That's the individual's choice. And that's why, just like the sniper cop that sits down and tells him, "You're gonna get $5 gifts. Send thank you cards." She's going to change. She will never be the same again. She's still the same person as inside, but you have to try to find a way to find that person. But she's permanently changed, right? Okay.

• 2:34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Someone's gonna sit there if that happens to you. It's gonna be like, "Look, I know you wanna kill this guy.

• 2:34:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you kill this guy, look what you have here. They're gonna suffer." You have still a kid left. You have still two kids left. You still have, we got siblings. You got this. People are relying on you. And then your battle is what? "I'm going to kill you."

• 2:34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:34:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's flesh, and that's faith in God. What a battle

• 2:35:00Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  to go through.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Vengeance in the blood. Like, when I was talking about his eyes, and I say, "Your eyes tell me you don't trust anybody. You're super skeptical, and you have, you know, rage in you. Why is that, right?" I get that.

• 2:35:18Patrick Bet-David?

  But when you have a handful of countries that are hoping for you to have a massive fall and this country's values and principles, billions of people around the world are hoping America makes it so they can come back and influence a little bit of our country. Hey, man, can you guys just keep it together? Can you guys, Americans, don't get a divorce? Can you guys like stay solid? Cause you're concerning me and I'm living in Brazil or I'm living in this. I don't want to leave Brazil, but I kind of want America to stay strong. I think that part, that person's job of being the president, it is not everybody's job. When you become a president, you, you have to accept the fact that your decisions will kill people. Your decisions will cost a lot of people's lives.

• 2:36:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Politics, always a trade off. Don't run for office if you don't want it. Don't do it. It's not for you. That's his job. Let him deal with his maker on what he wants to do. And that's my position, but I understand why he's doing what he's doing. To me, he, he has such a control, I believe, over 20, 30, 40, 50 people. And that's kind of keeping it together, that blackmail or whatever you want to call it. Maybe you wouldn't do it. Maybe the average person watching right now saying, screw you guys, I don't agree with you, totally get it. But that typically in a family, you know, you get pissed off. I think they do get it. I don't think everybody gets it. No, but I think enough do. I agree with you.

• 2:36:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I do think enough to, but I do think there's a percentage like, but no, but no, but no. And I get it. Like, you know, when you're, you know, your father and you have kids and 80% of stuff the kids are not going to understand, like, what are you talking about? You'll know in 20 years. Relax, bro. That's true. Go try to get straight A's right now. It's actually a really good point. Yeah, go try to get straight A's right now. One day you'll understand what the fuck, you know, what is going on here. Till that day, play your sports, play your Muay Thai, play your stuff, go do whatever you're doing with your Fortnite and then read some books and then later on as we're evolving, I'll tell you more about the family. And by the way, guess what, kid? What? There's about eight things you will never know about your family. Really? Yes. Just like there's forty things I don't know about my mom and my dad. And we all have to live with it. We move on. Anyways, Andrew.

• 2:37:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I can already tell from just the last thirty minutes. Your conversation list and how, how big is your podcast right now? It, it, how, how well is it doing? Yeah, you're a good host. Is it mainly you talking or do you bring people and have conversations as well?

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  Mostly me. I'm a freestanding creator. So it's mostly me who.

• 2:37:49Patrick Bet-David?

  But I think you also have, you also are a good point guard. I think you're also a good point guard. I think, I think you, you know.

• 2:37:56Speaker 01

  I've always, I've always done well in this setting.

• 2:37:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but, but no, you, some are just scorers and they're killer scorers. And some are, you know, uh, uh, triple threat, like they're good at giving points that go viral. I want to know what that guy has to say. What did Andrew Wilson say about this, right? And then there are guys that like create the conversation. Uh, uh, and then there's guys that are very entertaining. You just listen to like Tim Dillon. You, you don't, whether you agree with him or not, he's gonna turn the shit out of you, right? You, you're a, you're a good point guard as well. I only saw you as a scorer, but you're actually a very good point guard as well. Take it for, you know, whatever you do with that compliment, it's up to you. I'm just telling you, you're a good point guard. You ought to entertain, bring in panel because I think you're a good guy at holding it together as well. But this has been a blast. Appreciate you for coming out, really.

• 2:38:43Speaker 01

  It's great to meet you.

• 2:38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Likewise.

• 2:38:44Speaker 01

  By the way, for those of you watching, um, if you're ever asked to be a guest on this podcast, they treat you extremely well. And to guys like me, that's very important. I've been on podcasts where that's not the case. And this one, they really rolled out the red carpet. So I really appreciate that.

• 2:38:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, we appreciate you saying that. We appreciate you saying that. Thank you so much for that. Guys. Uh, you are going to see this right around Christmas. Okay? So Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, enjoy yourself. We'll see you guys soon. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  My name is Andrew Wilson, host of The Crucible. As you guys know, I'm a political analyst and a political satirist. If you want to talk directly with me, as many of my audience have requested that they be able to do. I've been able to carve out a, a system on this platform, Minect, in order to do that with you. That's on Minect. Uh, you can ask me whatever questions that you want. We can talk debate. We can talk strategy. We can talk about basically whatever it is that you've been wanting to talk with me about. And I hope to see all of you there.