Episode 297 - Corinne's Paranormal Postpartum

After months with the newest creepy kid in the Two Girls One Ghost Community, Corinne is opening up about the joys, the hauntings and the hardships of motherhood. Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of post-partum and details the depression and anxiety experienced during it. Join us for a deep dive into the real-life hauntings happening around us and the emotional journey that’s unfolded with Corinne’s new life as a mom. From shadowy presences to deep maternal bonds, things get personal and paranormal fast. 👻 While Corinne was on maternity leave, she experienced not only the joys and trials of new motherhood but also intense supernatural moments. During visits to Spirit Tree Wellness, a magical, otherworldly spot, she encountered a group of women who surprised her with details they couldn’t have known — including the name of her unborn son. And, once baby Noah arrived, her world became filled with eerie footsteps, strange disturbances, and a presence in her house that felt protective and familiar, likely watching over them both. Corinne opens up about the challenges of postpartum depression and anxiety, the struggles of adjusting to motherhood, and the unexpected yet comforting visitations from her late Uncle Dickie when she needed him most. Meanwhile, Sabrina’s new adventure in her colonial-era Marblehead home is a haunting dream come true. With pennies left in strange places, faucets turning on, and Ghost Tube warnings to “watch your back,” her house seems to have its own mysterious personality — not to mention a duo of pigeons that might be tied to the home’s past residents. 🕯️ This episode is all about the power of connection — to loved ones, even from the other side, and to the community of listeners who share in every spooky step. So light a candle, settle in, and join us as we navigate the mysteries hiding in our own lives. Postpartum resources: Depression resources Postpartumdepression.org Women’s Health Therapist Locator Momwell - therapy for moms Good Moms Have Scary Thoughts (book) Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] Encounters episodes are released every Thursday at 9am PST/12pm EST. Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! This episode is sponsored by iRestore, Betterhelp, Pretty. Litter, Rocket Money. This holiday season, give yourself – or someone you love – the gift of glowing skin! For a limited time only, check out their huge black friday sale! Our listeners get hundreds of dollars off their Illumina Face Mask with our exclusive link at iRestorelaser.com/TGOG Let the gratitude flow, with Betterhelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/tgog today to get 10% off your first month. Go to PrettyLitter.com/TGOG to save 20% on your FIRST order and get a free cat toy. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/TGOG If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 1:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 1:56Corinne Vien?

  Hey, this is Two Girls One Ghost.

• 1:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 2:00Corinne Vien?

  And we are your Ghostesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 2:03Corinne Vien?

  And I am Sabrina.

• 2:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And this is a long-awaited-for episode, for me selfishly.

• 2:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because I've been keeping things from you.

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have.

• 2:12Corinne Vien?

  This is going to be a little different from a lot of our other episodes because traditionally we research haunted places, but a couple of times we've done kind of specials where we cover all of the hauntings that we have had throughout our lives. And this is kind of going to be something similar to that because while I was on maternity leave, A lot happened to both of us.

• 2:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 2:30Corinne Vien?

  And we weren't sharing it with each other.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, we were not because we were banking it for the podcast.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And also I wasn't talking to anyone because I was trying to survive. So.

• 2:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We talked occasionally and I tried really hard to not talk to you about any work stuff so that you didn't have anything else to think about. Same, same.

• 2:49Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So this is going to be packed with personal ghost stories this episode. And I'm also going to talk a little bit about, I guess.

• 2:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Being a mom.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  Birth.

• 2:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 2:58Corinne Vien?

  Things like that.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Having a child.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Things that people on Campfire Stories have heard bits and pieces of, but I'll share more here.

• 3:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sometimes you don't have to go very far to find a haunted place. Sometimes you live in a haunted place.

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  It's right here, which is so crazy. I'm like.

• 3:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Where are we recording?

• 3:18Corinne Vien?

  Where do we begin?

• 3:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Should we begin with giving birth? Or I guess.

• 3:22Corinne Vien?

  Sure, I guess.

• 3:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What was your first haunting? Actually, okay, we'll go back a little bit because when we were recording in April, you had some hauntings happen in the house that were really small.

• 3:33Corinne Vien?

  Right. They felt small in the moment, but now because of some of the things that have happened since then, I'm like, was I ignoring potentially a bigger sign?

• 3:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably.

• 3:44Corinne Vien?

  So a few of those things, I can't even remember everything, but like one of the things that happened was we heard a loud crash basically at 6 a.m. and we came down and two different.

• 3:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Curtain rods?

• 3:57Corinne Vien?

  Curtain rods had been ripped out of their socket. And the socket was pointing up. So it was like a 45 degree angle up. So in order to get the curtain rod off of the socket, you would have had to lift it up and they were like basically torn off. And there were two of them separate that were bent. And I can't even remember any of the other things. There were totally some other things.

• 4:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wasn't that when you were trying to sleep in and you had snoozed your alarm? And then you heard the loud crash. So it was almost like a wake up.

• 4:25Corinne Vien?

  It was a wake up.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No sleeping in.

• 4:27Corinne Vien?

  And this was also when we had a ton of projects happening around the house because we bought a house that the people who owned it perfectly timed their move. They lived here for 20 some years. And the second they left, everything. Everything broke. Everything was on like a 20 year cycle. So we had to fix everything. So we were kind of ripping things down and

• 4:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  disturbing the house. And so we were curious like, oh, are we disrupting previous tenants? But there were only, like, we know the people who had lived here and so far, everybody is still alive. Well, I don't, I don't know that. But if they are alive, they're very old and people do here like do remember them.

• 5:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 5:05Corinne Vien?

  And there was nothing horrible that happened.

• 5:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. But people, living people can leave behind energy, residual hauntings of a sort. And the land holds a lot of history beyond this house being here.

• 5:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that is very true.

• 5:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Didn't Brian see like a shadow in the kitchen or something?

• 5:25Corinne Vien?

  I literally can't remember. I have no idea. That doesn't ring a bell.

• 5:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. All right. Well, we have plenty of new ones to talk about.

• 5:30Corinne Vien?

  Brian is a skeptic. He doesn't like to hear, well, he's, skeptic is not the right word. He's scared.

• 5:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He's scared.

• 5:36Corinne Vien?

  He doesn't want to hear about it because he's scared of it. But I did write down, but not even everything, but I wrote down a bunch of things because I was like, I'm going to forget because I forget everything now. So I need to remember what happened. Okay, we're starting before I give birth, actually.

• 5:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There we go. That's what we're doing.

• 5:50Corinne Vien?

  So it's a few weeks before my due date and my feet were so swollen, I had to go in and get the N S Ts like twice a week because I was so swollen that they thought that something was wrong. And so they were constantly checking me and the baby Noah. And so with my swollen feet, bless Brian and his sweet little soul. He decided to book me at the super spiritual place he found in the North Shore and as a salt cave.

• 6:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 6:15Corinne Vien?

  Situation. They have massages there, but they also have foot soaks. So he's like, this is something you can do while you're pregnant because I had terrible acid reflux. I couldn't go get massages. Like, everything was horrible. I couldn't move. I get in a shit ton of weight. So he booked me.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Proudly.

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  Proudly. Yeah. I still think about it. I'm still holding on to some of it. I can't let it go.

• 6:36Corinne Vien?

  But so he booked me the foot soak. So I go to this foot soak and already it's kind of like a woo magical place, right? We love this place.

• 6:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:43Corinne Vien?

  And the owner is there and she's the one that's setting up my, my foot soak. There's one other person who's helping her, who I think is starting to work there. So she's almost like in training.

• 6:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 6:54Corinne Vien?

  And then there's a third woman who is also there for a foot soak, clearly knows the other two women. They're all kind of commuting together. I'm super fucking pregnant, so they're asking me questions about just my pregnancy and telling me stories of their kids. And we were just all kind of chatting together. The other woman who's getting the foot soak in the past like decade has basically had this spiritual awakening. She does past life regression. She does all of this amazing stuff.

• 7:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 7:24Corinne Vien?

  She helps people who.

• 7:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like she does her own past life regressions or she?

• 7:28Corinne Vien?

  No, she does it with other people. She just suddenly kind of like opened up and.

• 7:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh shit.

• 7:32Corinne Vien?

  Absorbed all this stuff.

• 7:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's so cool.

• 7:34Corinne Vien?

  Tell things. Yeah. And so she's worked a lot with people who've dealt with like anxiety or drug addictions and like different things like that. And she told me some really interesting stories. And there was one story where she was like, text me if you want more information. I can text the guy and see if he's willing to tell you. So we need to do that. But she worked with someone who suffered from an alien abduction, many of them, and worked through it with past life regression. So I was like, oh my God, this is fucking cool.

• 8:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it sounds like his alien abduction may have not been a pleasant one.

• 8:09Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no, no. He like, yeah.

• 8:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not a good, not a good experience.

• 8:12Corinne Vien?

  Seriously helped him. So I'm in this place and I'm talking to all these cool women. And then the owner is like, oh yeah, this place is haunted. And she said that.

• 8:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is amazing.

• 8:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 8:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What is this place? What's it called?

• 8:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, let me, let me look it up. It's in Hamilton? Spirit Tree Wellness. That is what it's called. Hopefully they don't get mad at me for talking about this.

• 8:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll recommend them.

• 8:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Okay. Spirit Tree Wellness. It was a magical experience. And I have gone back for a massage that was amazing too. But we're all talking and she says this place is haunted, that she feels that there's this kind of like, she's notices like a presence in the corner. This one specific corner, kind of like dart around. And she's never really known who it was, but she said a while back after she'd opened this place, someone came rushing in and was like, oh my God, oh my God. My, it was like their uncle or something used to work here. He used to own this place. He would sit in that corner at his sewing machine all day. And that's the exact same corner that she said she always saw someone like out of the corner of her eye, right there.

• 9:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's his spot.

• 9:17Corinne Vien?

  So it's his spot. And then I'm about-

• 9:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a good haunting.

• 9:20Corinne Vien?

  It's a good haunting. I'm about to leave and the woman that does past life aggression is like, is it inappropriate of me to ask if I can do Reiki on you? And I was like, no.

• 9:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Shut up.

• 9:29Corinne Vien?

  So she does Reiki on my stomach and she's like, do you feel anything? And I was like, no. And then a few seconds later, Noah starts like boop, boop, boop, boop, going crazy. And then at the time, we, Brian and I had decided Noah's name, but we didn't tell anyone his name.

• 9:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyone.

• 9:44Corinne Vien?

  Which is not like-

• 9:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 9:46Corinne Vien?

  It's literally the most common name. Like if you look at most common boy names, Noah is number one. But we just didn't tell people because there's-

• 9:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's common. A lot of people don't do that.

• 9:55Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even my sister.

• 9:57Corinne Vien?

  We were advised by some parents in our, in our family too, to just like not share because everyone has a comment about it. And so they're like, even if it's like the most basic name, like someone's going to have something to say about the name Chris. So it's like-

• 10:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just don't want to hear it. Yeah.

• 10:12Corinne Vien?

  Right. So we hadn't told anyone and the three women are standing there in front of me and I'm checked out and I'm about to leave. And they said, did you pick out a name yet? And I was like, I didn't want to say, yes, but I'm not telling you. So I was like, oh, well, we're, we're between a few, so we haven't fully committed, but we have some options. One of them goes, says the name Noah. And then the other woman says, I'm getting, well, I don't want to say the names because I don't, I don't like publicly share Noah's middle name. But she said two names and it was one of them. So between the three names, they got his first name and middle name.

• 10:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's wild.

• 10:46Corinne Vien?

  Like a week, two weeks before I was due.

• 10:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So this is a very spiritual place.

• 10:50Corinne Vien?

  Very spiritual.

• 10:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Spirituality wellness. There we go. Wow.

• 10:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I know. So I was like, what a cool way to kind of like-

• 10:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is such a cool experience.

• 10:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 10:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's such a positive-

• 11:00Corinne Vien?

  That was positive.

• 11:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm nervous because you've hinted that the other things are not.

• 11:04Corinne Vien?

  So much worse. Once he, once Noah arrived, it got worse.

• 11:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh gosh.

• 11:08Corinne Vien?

  So we'll fast forward. I go into labor six days before my due date. Naturally, I just like wake up, have contractions. I text Sierra from Ladies and Tangents because she's on vacation with her mother-in-law, who was a labor and delivery nurse. And I was like, am I in labor? Like, what is this? And she was listening to me and she was like, oh yeah, I think maybe you are. You should probably call your doctor. So I called my doctor. They're like, go into the hospital. Like going to the hospital. They were like, oh, your contractions are five minutes apart, but you're not dilated. Go home. So I drive home and this is in rush hour traffic too, of course. Also, Brian was at work that day. So I just didn't tell him until like I felt like he actually needed to leave work.

• 11:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 11:45Corinne Vien?

  I have your location.

• 11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So like that whole week, because you had gone, you had told me you were going to the hospital. And then you said they sent me home.

• 11:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And so after that, I was like checking your location like crazy.

• 11:57Corinne Vien?

  It's so funny because our friend, Jordan, also just FaceTimed me because she was like FaceTiming me randomly throughout the pregnancy. And she FaceTimed me and I answered in the hospital and she was like, oh, my God. She was like, I was calling to see how you were doing the week up to your, like, leading up to your new date. But yeah, so ended up getting sent home, went back 90 minutes later, had to battle more traffic because it was still rush hour traffic, la di da, whatever. They let me in because I started to get a little dilated.

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• 13:59Corinne Vien?

  And then things kind of went mostly smoothly. My water broke naturally at 5:00 AM. I labored like in the night, which sucked for my mom and Brian because they were attempting to sleep in preparation. And I joked with my mom because she was like, I couldn't sleep at all. And I was like, how could you? There was a ghost haunting your hospital room. Because the whole time I walked around going, woo.

• 14:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wasn't the hospital actually haunted?

• 14:27Corinne Vien?

  Okay, yes. So ended up having to have an emergency C-section because as Noah was coming down, he got tangled up in the umbilical cord. They threw me around for like four hours back and forth. And because at that point I got the epidural, which if you're pregnant, don't listen to this part. It hurts. It hurts a lot.

• 14:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everyone says that it hurts.

• 14:48Corinne Vien?

  Everyone says it hurts for a minute. They're like, it's a bee sting for a minute.

• 14:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They literally put it into your spine.

• 14:53Corinne Vien?

  It's like 20, 30 minutes.

• 14:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, until it kicks in, right?

• 14:55Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. Maybe, maybe something just went wrong with putting it in me because I was sitting there for a while and they were working on me and it really hurt. And but I guess the plus side was I was really close in contractions at that point. So I was just.

• 15:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're in pain with everything.

• 15:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, regardless. But yeah, he got wrapped up, had an emergency C-section.

• 15:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did you see your guts?

• 15:15Corinne Vien?

  No, but this is one of the horrifying things about pregnancy is I don't know what I thought a C-section was, but I didn't want to think much about it. Also, I had multiple panic attacks during it and they kept being like, oh, it's just the drugs. Oh, it's just your adrenaline. And I was like, no, I know when I'm having a panic attack. And one of the times was on the table.

• 15:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, because you're awake, but your whole body is.

• 15:41Corinne Vien?

  You're completely awake.

• 15:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 15:43Corinne Vien?

  It actually only takes like five minutes. From the time you're wheeled in to the baby coming out, it's five minutes, but then it takes 45 minutes for them to get everything.

• 15:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Put you back together.

• 15:49Corinne Vien?

  Put you back together. And they also make you lay with your arms out like you're Jesus on the cross. And I was like.

• 15:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do they have a sheet like in front of you like this?

• 15:57Corinne Vien?

  Yes, they asked if we didn't want the sheet. And I said, absolutely not put the sheet up. And then they said, do you want to see the baby when he comes out? And I said, no. You have to stitch me up first. They didn't listen. They showed us. They showed us Noah. But like, it was also so weird too, because you have this baby in you that you've never seen. And then when they show you the baby, as soon as he started crying, that's I think when our hearts kind of went like, oh.

• 16:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:22Corinne Vien?

  For the few seconds before he started crying, when they just showed him to us, I looked at him and I was like, who is that?

• 16:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, who is a stranger?

• 16:28Corinne Vien?

  Yes, literally.

• 16:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously. Yeah, it probably does take a second. Cause you spend so much time with him imagining the moment of

• 16:36Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 16:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  birth, but

• 16:38Corinne Vien?

  And I didn't even hold him for that long when they were stitching me up because they put him on my chest, but I was shaking so badly that I'm like, I had to have Brian hold them.

• 16:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:46Corinne Vien?

  But it was, yeah, it's scary because we're like holding each other, like me and Brian. It was terrifying.

• 16:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And he's so tiny.

• 16:52Corinne Vien?

  He's so, so tiny.

• 16:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Corinne Vien?

  And also, I didn't know this, that when you have a C-section, like the benefit of them going through the birth canals, they get squeezed. And so all of the liquid and stuff comes out of them.

• 17:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Corinne Vien?

  So that night in the hospital was so scary. Twice, he like, like choked on all of the liquid coming out. Oh my God, it was terrifying.

• 17:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Corinne Vien?

  But with the C-section thing, I didn't really think much about it. And then I was telling one of my friends, Emma, I was like, oh my God, it's the weirdest feeling. Like you really can feel everything that's happening. I was like, it feels like this. Like it feels like someone's like ripping you this far and like they're huh,

• 17:31Corinne Vien?

  like, I was like, you feel it like three feet out from your body. It's the weirdest sensation. She goes, oh yeah, when they're taking your organs out and putting them on the table. I was like, come again?

• 17:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Corinne Vien?

  I didn't think about that.

• 17:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Know that.

• 17:42Corinne Vien?

  I don't know. I thought they just kind of shoved them on this, like inside on you and then reached for the baby. I did not know that the pulling sensation that I was feeling was them

• 17:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally removing.

• 17:53Corinne Vien?

  My organs.

• 17:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God.

• 17:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Gross.

• 17:57Corinne Vien?

  I was so scared though.

• 17:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's good that you had the sheet, because if you had seen that, that would, you would have, you would have passed out.

• 18:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. I will never, sorry to anyone who's planning a C-section, I will never plan one. If I have to have one again, I'm gonna probably faint, I think. Now knowing some of the stuff.

• 18:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Knowing what it is. Yeah.

• 18:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even though you've already experienced it.

• 18:16Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but now I know, now I know my organs are coming out. Oh my God, I can't. I was so scared too, because obviously it was kind of an emergency. So I didn't have much time to think and they were wheeling me in. And I told one of the nurses, Nicole, I was like, I don't want to hear a single thing you guys are saying. I don't want to hear a single tool. I don't want anyone to talk to me. I need you to play my music in my ear, the loudest it can possibly go, like deafen me.

• 18:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So what song was playing when you gave birth to Noah?

• 18:41Corinne Vien?

  It was Shania Twain. I can't remember the exact song.

• 18:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I like that Shania Twain.

• 18:46Corinne Vien?

  It was Shania Twain.

• 18:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not ABBA?

• 18:48Corinne Vien?

  And no, but ABBA was on the list. It was like all Chapel Rowan, Noah Khan, Hozier. But she puts on my music, like she grabs my phone. I give her the code and then she goes, I just opened Spotify and you have a playlist called literally giving birth. So that's what I'm putting on. I said, great. That's what it's for. But fast forward, we're in the hospital.

• 19:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So Noah was born on May 11th at?

• 19:09Corinne Vien?

  June 11th.

• 19:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That, whoa.

• 19:11Corinne Vien?

  6:11 at 6 pounds, 11 ounces. 6:11.

• 19:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was at 1:00 PM?

• 19:17Corinne Vien?

  It was 12:45.

• 19:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 19:18Corinne Vien?

  Too bad it was emergency. Maybe I could have been like, actually, can you whip him out? Well, I couldn't, I wouldn't know now that he was going to be 6 pounds, 11 ounces. So we're in the hospital. We stayed for four days because I was struggling with the C-section recovery and did for many, many weeks.

• 19:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:32Corinne Vien?

  But we're, some of the nurses are so helpful. Some of them not so much.

• 19:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Corinne Vien?

  But there's this one nurse who was extremely helpful and I won't say her name because she asked me to not expose what hospital was or any of this

• 19:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 19:44Corinne Vien?

  information. But she's helping me and Brian a ton. And I'm also, by the way, like I've seen other people in their hospital photos and I've talked to other moms. Did you know that people put clothes on while they're in the hospital? I was naked for four days.

• 20:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Did you have like a hospital gown?

• 20:03Corinne Vien?

  They gave me one. I turned it around. I was tits out the whole time. I had the back in the front.

• 20:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Makes sense because you're breastfeeding and like doing all that. Why wouldn't you make it easier for you?

• 20:12Corinne Vien?

  And with babies too, when they're like, oh, your baby needs to eat every like 45 minutes or every 90 minutes. Okay. Well, 90 minutes comes and then they eat for 45 minutes. And then by the time you're done with that, they sleep for 15 minutes and then they're up again. So like it, your boob is all, why would you?

• 20:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:30Corinne Vien?

  So I was naked the whole time. It didn't matter who was in. Maintenance came in.

• 20:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You were glow- honestly, it made me, it makes me mad every time I see, and you're included, I'm mad at you. Every time I see a photo of a woman who had just given birth and is like, no makeup, literally fresh out of pushing and going through labor, not sleeping. You were glowing.

• 20:52Corinne Vien?

  It's, it's sweat. It's actually sweat.

• 20:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But you looked beautiful.

• 20:55Corinne Vien?

  Well, thanks.

• 20:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I was like-

• 20:57Corinne Vien?

  You're dripping sweat because they pumped you with so much in the IV fluid. So I was, I couldn't stop sweating.

• 21:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You were stunning.

• 21:03Corinne Vien?

  Well, thank you.

• 21:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you are stunning.

• 21:05Corinne Vien?

  And I was so pumped with the IV fluid that I actually couldn't walk for two days. And Brian had, they would want you to get out of your hospital bed, but I couldn't because my legs were so swollen that I couldn't bend them at the knee. So Brian had to come and lift my legs out every time I had to pee and pull my legs to the side and then yank me up like a little frigging straight plank board so that I could hobble over to the bathroom.

• 21:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know what's one benefit that you didn't have to experience because you did a C-section is the first poop after giving birth. That's my biggest fear.

• 21:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, they still want you to poop, but I didn't have to deal with the tearing.

• 21:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It wasn't as painful. Yeah.

• 21:41Corinne Vien?

  Which also that poor nurse, because they were like, they asked you, like, did you poop? And I didn't know what I was supposed to do. So I showed her. I said, yes, I did.

• 21:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  With your hand? You picked it up?

• 21:52Corinne Vien?

  Well, I wiped and then I was like, here you go. If you need, if you need proof for your notes. I don't know. So anyway, that was the type of behavior I was. I was like, here's everything. I already know that there's 40 people have seen my vagina at this point. And this one nurse was extremely helpful. She, after helping us for like three days, suddenly goes, oh my God, you're Corinne from Two Girls and a Ghost. And I was like, what? And she was like, I finally put it together. I listened to your podcast. Your doctor said, did you know that she has a spooky podcast? And I just now put it together.

• 22:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No way.

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And she had so many stories of her own.

• 22:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So one of our listeners has seen your vagina?

• 22:30Corinne Vien?

  She's seen everything.

• 22:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't even seen it.

• 22:32Corinne Vien?

  She told me with my boobs out. I was standing there.

• 22:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's seen more of you than I have.

• 22:40Corinne Vien?

  She's seen it all. She's seen me at my worst. But she told me so many stories of her own because she's very, it comes from like a very psychic sort of family. But I don't think she advertises this much at work.

• 22:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 22:52Corinne Vien?

  And the hospital that I delivered out, which I also won't say the name of, they have a ghost in the maternity ward and they believe that it is the spirit of a nurse who used to work there because there's one specific room where the call light will continue to go off. And it will go off even when someone is in the room. So like, it goes off when no one is in that room. But also they have multiple like couples and moms and stuff being like, the call light just

• 23:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Keeps going off.

• 23:20Corinne Vien?

  Keeps going off and I never pressed it.

• 23:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Corinne Vien?

  And so that's kind of their little hospital.

• 23:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that it's a nurse. Seems sweet.

• 23:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I feel like most hospitals it is. Well, I guess maybe it could be patients, but I feel like

• 23:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Corinne Vien?

  A lot of the stories we've heard and covered, it's a lot of suspected nurses.

• 23:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We did have that one where it was like a children's cancer wing, remember? And there was like a little ghost girl who saved a life.

• 23:44Corinne Vien?

  Yes, yes.

• 23:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. Chills thinking about it.

• 23:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 23:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, so special. So anyway, we get home, new baby, new energy. House has a different presence to react to. And it did. So

• 24:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Reacted did.

• 24:03Corinne Vien?

  I did write down the other thing that had happened. Remember I was like, previously there was the beams that are the curtain rods that got ripped down. The other one was when I was standing in here, dirt materialized and fell from the air and hit me.

• 24:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we talked about our ghost worm.

• 24:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And we have no idea why there was dirt that hit me, which you're like, that's so random. But now I'm starting to think, could that be demonic? It seems like there were two kind of

• 24:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not.

• 24:29Corinne Vien?

  Really rough things. Maybe like week two of having Noah. I know babies are weird, but he was always very focused on eating and never distracted by anything else. There wasn't much going on in that little tiny brain yet. In the middle of the night, I'm nursing him and he is very food driven and oriented. So he was not about to, yeah, he wasn't about to like rip himself off of my boob until he was like nursed to being conked out. All of a sudden he rips his head up and he stares into this one corner and he's staring like person height. And he like looks at me and then he keeps looking back at this like one corner. And then he just literally stops and stares for like 10 minutes. It was like someone was talking to him and then he eventually went back and continued. And it was so bizarre.

• 25:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 26:26Corinne Vien?

  Well, maybe initially I thought this was my grandpa on my dad's side because my grandpa, Robert, Bob, he would visit other people. Like there's, there's many people in my family, like kids that are now grown up that when they were younger, had like an imaginary friend or someone who would come visit them. And my grandpa had died when he was in his 40s, so none of us had met him. And people kind of put two and two together. Once the kids like saw a photo of him and was like, oh my gosh, that's the boy. That's it. Yeah, that's the guy that visits me. So I was thinking that it was this man. And I thought that for the next few weeks because every night I would hear walking up and down the hallway. I would hear some, it was like never in the room.

• 27:10Corinne Vien?

  It was so weird. It was like always right before Noah would wake up to eat. I would hear walking down the hallway or I'd hear while I was nursing him in his room with the door closed. I'd hear someone walk and stand right at the, in front of the door. Like someone was kind of checking on me. No, in front of Noah's door. I would hear walking up and down the hallway to come to my door and right before he'd wake up. When he woke up and I'd go into the nursery, I'd hear someone standing outside of his door.

• 27:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That feels protective and feels very.

• 27:38Corinne Vien?

  I felt good about it.

• 27:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Corinne Vien?

  I was like, this is great. I'm having such a hard time with this and sleep deprivation and postpartum depression and anxiety. It's kind of nice to think that I have an ancestor kind of like hanging out with me.

• 27:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And Noah would also kind of like react to someone and only in his nursery will he start cooing and laughing and giggling. And interacting with someone when he's on the changing table. If he's down here or if you change him anywhere else, it doesn't happen just in that room. And I've like looked up because I'm like, is there like something on the ceiling that like looks like a face like I couldn't figure it out.

• 28:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anything in that room that belongs to family at all?

• 28:16Corinne Vien?

  Well, the dresser is just mine from childhood.

• 28:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 28:19Corinne Vien?

  No, I guess. No, not really. I mean.

• 28:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wonder why just that room.

• 28:23Corinne Vien?

  It's just a collection of clothes and gifts that people.

• 28:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure. So maybe there is just like all this family protective energy. Yeah.

• 28:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I have no clue, but he's very interactive. Stuff is still happening in the past couple of weeks. Like there's been multiple times where I've felt really tired at night. And one time I thought to myself, oh my God, I'm going to fall asleep. I need to get up right now. And as soon as I said that, a light that I have that's on a dimmer switch, a task light that's next to the nursing chair, which I don't have on at night. I just have another lamp on the other side turned on. So it was like, someone was like, don't fall asleep. And then the.

• 28:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which seems like a pattern, a don't fall asleep or don't go back to bed or wake up.

• 28:59Corinne Vien?

  Totally.

• 29:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 29:00Corinne Vien?

  And then the other day, when I just walked in in the middle of the night, it got turned on. Like before I was even in the nursing chair.

• 29:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So helpful.

• 29:08Corinne Vien?

  I love this. And then my mom was theorizing that maybe Wrinkles paid us a visit.

• 29:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if it is Wrinkles?

• 29:14Corinne Vien?

  Because it could be, it could be a whole host of people. But Wrinkles were thinking because the other night, or at this point, it was like maybe five or six weeks ago, I was so tired and I was like, Noah was starting to make some kind of like stirring a little bit. And I was like, I'm just gonna wait and see if he goes back to sleep. Like, I'll give it five minutes, like hoping. And I'm turned away, or I was facing Noah, and then I started to turn away from him. And the second I turned away, I feel pressure on the bed. Like, at first, I felt like it was someone's hand pressing right on the side of me, and I'm awake. And I was like, that's so weird that Noah can reach up and out of his bassinet and like- His really long arms that he has. Press down on the bed. And I was like, that's so weird. And then it clicks in my

• 29:59Corinne Vien?

  head. And I was like, oh, my God, this is something paranormal. And I'm, I'm still waiting. Because at this point, I'm also like, trying to think of what's happening behind me. Right. And the pressing gets more intense, but this time it's multiple. It seems like an animal, because it felt like someone was walking on the bed next to me. Oh. And so I told my mom that. And she was like, I bet it was Wrinkles. That's so sweet. Yeah, very sweet. So some of the stuff that happened was very sweet. However, there has been some stuff that has not been so sweet. It's gonna take a turn? Yeah. Brian had his first encounter. I was gonna ask what Brian thinks about all of this. Maybe this one isn't so bad. And we just talked about how like, people can leave a stain somewhere. Yeah.

• 30:40Corinne Vien?

  But Brian texted me a few days ago, and he said, I'm hearing things. And I was out on a walk with Noah in a stroller. We were on the complete other side of the neighborhood. I said, what do you mean? Ghost things? Because I was like, oh, my God. Is it finally happening? Yeah. And he was like, yeah, I keep hearing Noah crying. But we were out of the house. And I was like, maybe it's kind of like an iPhone thing where you think you feel like a phantom buzz, because you're just like, used to your phone buzzing. He's like, yeah, it's so weird. I keep hearing him crying. And that was the only time it's ever happened.

• 31:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. That could be residual too.

• 31:11Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. But then, a few weeks ago,

• 31:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Uh huh.

• 31:14Corinne Vien?

  My mom is here helping us and it's 10:00 PM. It's not even that late. Brian just went to bed and he's on his laptop. My mom just walked into her room and I have just finished feeding Noah and I'm about to put him back into bed. He, Noah and I are just like there and I hear Brian go, "My love," and then say something else. And so I was like, "Oh, shoot." And Noah's awake. So I was like, "Daddy's calling for us." And so I walked down the hallway and I go into our room and I'm like, "Yes? What did you say?" And he goes, "What do you mean? I wasn't, I didn't say anything." But I specifically heard Brian's voice call out to me.

• 31:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That also could be residual, potentially.

• 31:54Corinne Vien?

  That night, something I didn't know until recently, when I told my mom another thing that happened, was my mom went to sleep and she had sleep paralysis in the guest room. And she woke up and she was completely like in the room, in the sleep paralysis state. And there was this girl that looked kind of similar to me with long, dark hair, just standing there over her, like standing on the side of the bed.

• 32:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Was she younger than you or you were, like, was it you?

• 32:20Corinne Vien?

  I think it was similar to my age, but it wasn't me. But my mom said that she was just really like kind of freaked out by it and thinking about it. And the only reason she came out of the sleep paralysis was because in the middle of the night, I busted the door open and was like, "Mom, I need help." Because I was struggling a bit with like breastfeeding Noah and he was squirming and getting him into positions.

• 32:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So she felt negative energy from it?

• 32:42Corinne Vien?

  She felt negative energy. She didn't tell me this until a couple of weeks ago. The only reason she told me this was because I was talking to my neighbor and he goes, "Oh yeah, I was out checking my peach tree and there's a possum eating my peaches." And I found a possum eating my peaches. He shows me the picture and it's nighttime. And I was like, "Oh my God, what time did you go out there?" And he goes, "Oh, I was out there at 11 o'clock at night." And he goes, "I'm surprised you didn't see me. I looked over and I saw you standing in your kitchen."

• 33:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And you weren't?

• 33:06Corinne Vien?

  I do not go downstairs after like 8:00 PM, ever. No, not unless Brian's accompanying me.

• 33:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like you didn't need to get anything for Noah or anything?

• 33:15Corinne Vien?

  No, I've never come down, never ever come down. So I told my mom that and she was like,

• 33:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it was you.

• 33:21Corinne Vien?

  Someone who looked like you in a sleep paralysis state. So I'm like, okay, something could be mimicking Noah's cry, mimicking Brian calling to me and now appearing to be someone similar in looks to me. And now we have my mom having sleep paralysis, witnessing this woman and my neighbor, who, why would my neighbor ever suspect that it was a ghost?

• 33:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can you tell how hard I'm trying to come up with like a positive spin on this?

• 33:46Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 33:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  For you.

• 33:47Corinne Vien?

  This is what I told Jerry and Sierra when they were here. I was like, I gotta tell you, I think I have a doppelganger situation, but you can't tell Sabrina because I gotta tell her on the podcast.

• 33:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Okay. Cause the only thing I'm thinking is, and this is something that if you've listened, if you've listened to the podcast, if people have listened to the podcast before, they've heard your Easter revelation where you potentially think you may be haunted by yourself. So I want to believe it's something connected to that. But if your mom had negative vibes, because the timing, if it is something positive, the timing of when your mom had sleep paralysis and saw some version of you, moments later, you burst in needing help. So was it this like moment of your energy going to your mom almost before you physically could?

• 34:36Corinne Vien?

  Well, I don't know why I'd be in the kitchen watching Stephen and his peaches.

• 34:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe that's what you wish you were doing or you've started to astral project and you're just wandering.

• 34:45Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, let me add another layer to this.

• 34:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 34:50Corinne Vien?

  I was talking to another neighbor, a neighbor who was born here, raised here, and now lives in the, in her parents' house. So she has been here since this neighborhood was built.

• 35:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 35:01Corinne Vien?

  And I'm talking to her about Noah and just, she's also kind of like spooky witchy sort of person. And I was like, yeah, like, you know, energy has shifted, things have changed. Or she probably cleans the house because Noah was definitely interacting with things and things have started to happen. And she goes, oh, well, you're very close to where the mansion on the hill used to be. And I was like, what does that mean?

• 35:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I already love the mansion on the hill, even though I can tell there's some like dark connotation behind it, but I just love the way it sounds.

• 35:34Corinne Vien?

  She said that growing up, she was not allowed to go up towards the mansion on the hill. And she never wanted to because the vibes were so horrible. There was this giant mansion up on a hill that since was ripped down and subdivided. And now there's this neighborhood. But where that exists, she said, there's such horrible energy. She hates being up there. She said, when she's still to this day, when she's walking her dog around the neighborhood, when they go close to that area, like close to where the driveways are to get to where that specific house used to be, her dog will freak out. She's like, there is something really dark.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have you walked over there?

• 36:11Corinne Vien?

  Not specific. I've walked past where she's talking about. I do it every single day, but I've never gone like up into that wooded area because it's someone's property now.

• 36:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, right.

• 36:21Corinne Vien?

  So I can't do it. But when she was a kid, they would like kind of venture around and she was like, yeah, there's.

• 36:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like that was like the place where you were dared to go?

• 36:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And she said she had a dream one night that felt kind of sleep paralysis, sleep paralysis. Where there was something up on the hill that was trying to call to her and trying to summon her there. And so she was like, I was really freaked out by that area and you live basically on the backside of the mansion on the hill. So I wouldn't be shocked to hear if it's that way.

• 36:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That way. Okay.

• 36:52Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. She was like, I wouldn't be shocked to hear if there's darkness, kind of like permeating.

• 36:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That pours out.

• 36:58Corinne Vien?

  Huh. Going through the ground and heading towards your house.

• 37:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm curious if we could do any research about that house, the mansion on the hill.

• 37:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I know the name of the people who owned it. So I'm going to try.

• 37:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause we should.

• 37:10Corinne Vien?

  Also said that the people who lived in the mansion on the hill only lived in a small section of their mansion because the rest of the house was overrun by ghosts.

• 37:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that. It's terrifying, but I love that so much, especially because it's like, it's not right here. You know, we can set a boundary and like, your mom did come back and

• 37:33Corinne Vien?

  But it's right there.

• 37:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But your mom did come back and cleanse with you, right?

• 37:37Corinne Vien?

  No, we haven't had time.

• 37:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I thought she came.

• 37:39Corinne Vien?

  No, we still, she has come multiple times and asking to cleanse and we have not had a single second because Noah's going through some stuff and it's been difficult to do.

• 37:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 37:47Corinne Vien?

  She did bring some holy water and he was dead asleep and she put just a little bit on his forehead and he rose from his sleep and went

• 37:58Corinne Vien?

  and then passed back out and we were both looking at each other and she goes, I think the water just scared him, that's all.

• 38:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, it was just the water.

• 38:08Corinne Vien?

  Have to rename Noah Damien.

• 38:12Corinne Vien?

  So, okay. Yeah, there's some stuff that's been going on.

• 38:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is why you've set boundaries with me and said, no communicating with ghosts in the house.

• 38:21Corinne Vien?

  But we cannot do anything.

• 38:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Demonic things, recording all about the paranormal, totally fine.

• 38:27Corinne Vien?

  Well, I mean, how can I say, I can't say no to that. That has to be the one thing that I allow slip in.

• 38:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have to.

• 38:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but I've been very scared because all that stuff is happening. Well, it's, it's one thing where I was like, I'm scared, but I'm also so tired just like trying to keep another human alive, that I've actually done the thing that you are supposed to do when something potentially demonic is happening.

• 38:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ignore it.

• 38:51Corinne Vien?

  I've completely ignored it. I've paid it no mind. Things will happen next to me.

• 38:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You have way more on your priority list.

• 38:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and I just move forward.

• 38:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's great.

• 38:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 39:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good job.

• 39:00Corinne Vien?

  I can't think of anything else.

• 39:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Perfect.

• 39:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, thank you, thank you. And then I told you this and other people on Camp First Stories the other night, but I've been having a really hard time with postpartum depression and anxiety. And I was having just like an especially horrible day. And that night I went to bed and I had a dream that didn't feel like a dream. It felt like a visitation if, because I was in my body and I was thinking, this is so weird that I'm here. And I'm like dreaming right now and people are around me and I had the conscious train of thought in my dream.

• 39:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it was lucid.

• 39:31Corinne Vien?

  It was lucid.

• 39:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Corinne Vien?

  And my Uncle Dickie was in my dream. And my Uncle Dickie passed away in 2020. He had Parkinson's and there were some complications with being in the hospital and COVID and different things.

• 39:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Corinne Vien?

  But I loved my Uncle Dickie so much. And growing up, we would go over to Jeanette and Dicky's house all the time and we'd go visit them in their house in Florida. And I have a chest that his son gave me as a wedding gift. And this is my great uncle Dickie. I call him my Uncle Dickie, but he's my great uncle Dickie. But he used to restore these antique chests. He and my great aunt Jeanette also were collectors of like antiquities and had an antique shop and all of that stuff. And so he just always like gifted me these old things. So when he passed, his son gifted me one of these old chests that he had restored when he was alive. And it's like so dear to me. And I have it in the sunroom, right next to where I spend a lot of my time.

• 40:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:25Corinne Vien?

  And I've never, ever dreamt of Uncle Dickie ever. And the other night, when I was having a horrible time, he came in and he was in a wheelchair in my dream. And he looked at me and he didn't really say anything yet. And my brother was next to me, but I wasn't like looking at my brother. I just like knew he was next to me. And I started to like lean forward to hug Uncle Dickie. And my brother goes, oh, are we allowed to like basically be like, well, are we allowed to hug you?

• 40:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Corinne Vien?

  And he interrupts and he goes, of course you can. I've missed you. And he reaches out and hugs me. And the second we're embraced, I wake up and Noah's like, wakes up too.

• 41:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What if Noah was dreaming about him too?

• 41:08Corinne Vien?

  Maybe.

• 41:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or maybe Noah was actually seeing him.

• 41:11Corinne Vien?

  Maybe. I don't know. But it was, I told my mom that. My mom like got teary eyed and she's like,

• 41:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's really, really special.

• 41:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Cause we fully believe Uncle Dickie was.

• 41:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Corinne Vien?

  Was there.

• 41:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 42:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 42:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, think about wrinkles alone is a guardian of yours and wrinkles alone will defeat any darkness. I know that for a fact. But you have so much support and love around you that I feel it. Even living, living and deceased family or past lives, spirit guides, whatever, nothing's gonna harm you. I hope so. We'll make sure of it. I don't think anything can. And I think that's also why I haven't been as panicked about cleansing like my mom has been because I'm like, every night I feel people around me, but like good energy. There's only been a few spooky things where I'm like, but for the most part, I'm, I know other people are here and they're trying to help me.

• 43:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. And we also spend our lives doing this podcast, talking about paranormal, often some of the dark stuff. So of course you're going to be on guard when something a little bit uncertain happens, which I think is good. Yeah. Because then you're aware enough to be like, okay, should I be cleansing? Or should I be calling upon my loved ones to really like surround me in this positivity?

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  I also feel very protected, just based on our listeners. Like, I feel like there were so many people sending me good vibes. I feel like it did kind of create this almost shield, this like force field. Where there were a few times where I was like, who is this, I wonder? Like, whose energy is being projected that we know?

• 44:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, we literally have had listeners. I can't remember her name, but we had a listener come on on Campfire Stories, maybe a year ago, to tell us about like this haunting that had been following her for her whole life. And we at Campfire Stories were like, let us all take a moment to send energy her way, this protective force from our community. And she said, from that night, she has never experienced anything again.

• 44:35Corinne Vien?

  I know the story, but I still get chills every time I hear it, because that is so wild. And it's believable, like, it's one of those. And we just talked about this with the small position where they, I mean, I know it didn't work for them, but they like had a big group of people just constantly trying to come in and have the positive energy. And I feel like we have that.

• 44:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do.

• 44:53Corinne Vien?

  Like, the whole community can project their energy towards someone, and it does work.

• 44:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does work.

• 44:58Corinne Vien?

  And I do feel it.

• 45:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there was even like one Campfire Stories where I knew you were having a tough time. And I was just like, let's all send healing energy towards Crin. And yeah, I mean, even without me asking, I know that people are doing that for both of us.

• 45:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, witches. Thank you, guys.

• 45:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Witches.

• 45:16Corinne Vien?

  We love you.

• 45:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Witches.

• 45:18Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, witches. We love you for it.

• 45:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do love you for it.

• 45:22Corinne Vien?

  I do want to talk for a moment about postpartum.

• 45:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I was gonna.

• 45:27Corinne Vien?

  Depression and anxiety. Yeah, because it's something that I've really been suffering with. And I think that it's also something that I was so not prepared to deal with, because I'm already going to start crying.

• 45:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 45:40Corinne Vien?

  Because like, people, sorry, it's just gonna be terrifying.

• 45:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's fine, yeah.

• 45:43Corinne Vien?

  People talk, sorry, before I even talk about this, I just remembered something. Did you know you can be allergic to breastfeeding? And I was and am.

• 45:51Corinne Vien?

  Of course you are. Literally everything happened. Like my feet would swell and welts every time I breastfed and I just kept doing it. And after like four weeks, it finally stopped happening. But I'd be like horribly itchy and swollen. So you should spend four weeks with Leia and eventually you'll be. I guess so. No longer allergic to her. It was horrible. I almost quit breastfeeding over it. I probably should have. But anyway, I feel like everyone talks about postpartum and in that people are like, oh yeah, it's very normal to have postpartum depression. A lot of people have it. People will feel a lot of sadness. You might have trouble bonding with your child, but no one gives you specifics of how you're actually gonna feel. But also everyone's specifics are different. Yes, but it also made me feel very embarrassed because I felt like my specifics were, oh my God, I'm gonna start crying again.

• 46:36Corinne Vien?

  Like it felt just like beyond like what I would have considered to be depression. Cause I've had anxiety. I've had depression in different bouts and times of my life. And I've gone to therapy for those things, but this felt so much worse. And it started basically like maybe day three of after we came home from the hospital. And at first I was like, maybe this is baby blues because the majority of people get baby blues. It goes away within a couple of weeks where you just feel off, like all of your hormones are kind of like pulsing through you. Right. But this just did not go away and it's still kind of here, but it's, I'm gonna give specifics because I don't want other people to experience it and then feel embarrassed.

• 47:20Corinne Vien?

  And I also just want to say in case Noah's listening to this in the future, like it has absolutely nothing to do with him and everything to do with just like the chemicals in my brain. Yeah. So there's nothing he did at all that could have changed this or prevented it or anything. But I think the first thing that happened was like my postpartum anxiety. And it was, I also have OCD, so that doesn't help to like add another layer onto it. But I did not sleep for weeks because I would sit and stare into his pacinet to see if he was breathing. And I know a lot of parents have that fear. And so people do that all the time, but it was like obsessive and I was so scared. And I told my doctor, cause I got flagged pretty quick.

• 48:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Corinne Vien?

  She flagged me. She saw, I thought I was like-

• 48:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is great. I'm glad that, you know, that she was able to see it.

• 48:13Corinne Vien?

  Completely honest in the questionnaire. I thought I was like-

• 48:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You were trying to play it cool.

• 48:16Corinne Vien?

  And she was like, we're flagging you.

• 48:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The fact that you were trying to do it lightly and she was just like-

• 48:20Corinne Vien?

  Red flag. Red flag.

• 48:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:22Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And then she made me come in every week, which was good.

• 48:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is good.

• 48:25Corinne Vien?

  That's very good. She was like, I'll see you next week. You're not coming in in four weeks. You're coming in every single week until I feel like you're okay.

• 48:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 48:31Corinne Vien?

  So I told my doctor, I was like, it was this thing where anytime Brian left, I would be so scared that Brian would die. It was like this thing that was just like consuming me. It was like, Brian's gonna die or Noah's gonna die. And every time I would like move Noah, I would be so scared that his neck would snap. Like there were just these horrible intrusive thoughts. And it wasn't intrusive as in like that you think you're gonna harm your child. It's that you think your child's going to be harmed.

• 49:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 49:01Corinne Vien?

  I would swing from these crazy anxious, anxious moments into deep depression. And I had no in-between. And the depression was basically like, I could look at Noah crying and like just be completely checked out and blank face and not feel anything. Or I would think like, what if I just walk away and I just leave for a week and just come back? Or like, he would be so much better off if I wasn't his mom. He wouldn't be crying if he had a different mom.

• 49:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sorry.

• 49:29Corinne Vien?

  Things like that. And it was just really-

• 49:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Those are really hard thoughts to have. And to have them and be like, why am I thinking this? And then get even worse to yourself and be mean to yourself.

• 49:39Corinne Vien?

  And then every single day at 4:00 PM, I would just feel like I was gonna vomit. Cause I'd be so anxious that night was coming and that it would just be me and Noah alone. Because I was breastfeeding him, so it's not like Brian could help. And there were many times that Brian ended up just sitting with me and getting up and just like sitting to be with us. But oh, my God, it was just like so horrible. And just like some of the thoughts that you have are just like, you feel really disgusted with yourself. And also, people would text me and they're like, are you so in love? Are you so happy? And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I don't think this baby even likes me. No, he smiled a lot at Brian and he didn't smile at me, but also because I was so anxious that I spent every single moment looking at him like this.

• 50:23Corinne Vien?

  Like, are you breathing? Are you okay? Like, I never smiled at him for like, a month, because I was just struggling so much. And then he's gone through his own Noah's gone through his own issues with

• 50:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many different things.

• 50:34Corinne Vien?

  So many different things. And we've had a lot of doctor visits and stuff. And I was fine for like, four weeks. And then it just all came full force. And it's horrible, because I'm trying so hard not to cry in front of him. But there was one time, and I told you about this, but I'm like, also embarrassed by it, that I just couldn't keep it in me. And I just started sobbing. And Noah had been crying, and he was like, on my shoulder, and he just stopped crying. And he propped himself up on me. And he like, literally tried to balance, like, he's wobbling, and he's trying to balance and like, reach out and like, touch my face. And I was like,

• 51:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He loves you.

• 51:08Corinne Vien?

  I know, but it made me so sad. So I was like, I don't want him to feel like he has to come for me. He's the baby. I have to come for him.

• 51:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. But you're human. And I think that's part of raising a child is showing them that it's okay to have emotions. And

• 51:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh, God.

• 51:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm really sorry that you have gone through this and you are experiencing all this. It's so incredibly hard. And like, it's also, you are not good at asking for help. And I think this has forced you to reach out to people in a way that will probably leave like, you with really positive outcomes coming out of this. But

• 51:41Corinne Vien?

  It did make me realize, too, the importance of having the right partner, because

• 51:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:46Corinne Vien?

  I feel terrible for Brian, but there has probably half the time that Noah's been alive, he's had to Fully take care of me and Noah. And he hasn't, like, he's been so good at it, but I'm sure he went through his own thing with transitioning into being a dad and our lives have been completely different. And he didn't really have time to process it because he had to fully take care of me and our baby. And I was just thinking, oh, my God, I like, can't even imagine doing this alone. I can't imagine doing this for the partner who like, didn't fully support me or this child or that I didn't trust fully. Like, I mean, thank God I have Brian.

• 52:25Corinne Vien?

  Oh, another thing with postpartum anxiety that was so crippling was I couldn't stop crying, not only just for like the things I was experiencing, but I couldn't stop thinking about all the babies and the moms in the world that were not in safe situations.

• 52:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 52:42Corinne Vien?

  Like, I still think about it all the time.

• 52:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I mean, I feel like you're gonna think about that forever.

• 52:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And it doesn't help all the things that are going on in the world that are just so incredibly atrocious.

• 52:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So devastating.

• 52:53Corinne Vien?

  And that we're, you know, we see it, we hear it, and I just can't stop thinking about those babies.

• 52:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 53:00Corinne Vien?

  It hurts.

• 53:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It does.

• 53:02Corinne Vien?

  It hurts a lot. But one in seven women experience postpartum depression.

• 53:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Corinne Vien?

  So you're not alone. And I feel like I gave like very light examples of some of the things that I experienced and thought, but feel free, if you're experiencing something, to DM me on Instagram, because whatever crazy thing or embarrassing thing you're thinking or feeling, I probably felt it.

• 53:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Yeah, you're not alone.

• 53:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And also, I mean, I'm not gonna say names, but we have a friend who has a child and experienced postpartum like years later. And also similarly, she felt so embarrassed and felt like something was wrong with her. And people don't talk about a delayed postpartum. But it does happen. I mean, motherhood is so, I mean, I can't speak from experience, obviously, but like, you are putting something else and someone else before you. And that's Already so difficult and so like such a tremendous amount of giving that is going on that I hope you know you are doing an incredible job and you are, there's nothing wrong with you. You were an amazing mother.

• 54:08Corinne Vien?

  It's just everything to your point, all at once, like you're trying to fully protect this person and have, you lose yourself and you also have to grieve, like I guess this was another thought I had that I was embarrassed by. There were times where I was like, we ruined our lives.

• 54:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 54:25Corinne Vien?

  Because I was like, we're never gonna get to go out to dinner again. We're never gonna get to be like the couple that we were. Like, I'm not the same person. I never, you have to grieve yourself.

• 54:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's such a change.

• 54:36Corinne Vien?

  Grieve your relationship with everyone that you've ever had because it's always going to be a little bit different.

• 54:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But in a beautiful way.

• 54:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it doesn't feel like that in the moment.

• 54:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, I know, but I know with time it will come.

• 54:48Corinne Vien?

  But in my mind, I was like, that was very embarrassing to think like, oh my God, I ruined my life. I shouldn't have had a child. And then I swing and then I'm like, when can I get pregnant again? When is my section gonna be? If they said one year, like it's crazy, these swings.

• 55:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 55:03Corinne Vien?

  It's exhausting too, because you can't keep up with your own brain on top of everything else.

• 55:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, well, I love you. You're doing such an incredible job and.

• 55:12Corinne Vien?

  Well, and thank you to Sabrina for, I was supposed to be on maternity leave for three months and it's basically gonna end up being like six months. I can't do anything. I can't think, I can't remember anything. So Sabrina, I show up to the court.

• 55:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Don't worry, I will, I will be your calendar. I will be.

• 55:30Corinne Vien?

  I put shit on the bookshelf.

• 55:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You did, you did, you did.

• 55:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 55:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You know, I went through trauma treatment and you took on more of the work then and like.

• 55:40Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we've.

• 55:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're there for each other. Yeah. And I think that's, you know, that goes for so many people in your life. You have such a beautiful support system, including. Including our community and people love you. And even when it's hard for you to love yourself or for you to see everything clearly, other people will be there. I will be there. I will continuously remind you.

• 56:02Corinne Vien?

  Thank you.

• 56:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And now I live here, so you have to deal with me.

• 56:05Corinne Vien?

  That's true. But I do want to put in the show notes, we'll link some support sites for people. If you're suffering from depression, anxiety, we'll have some resources for you there. It's especially important if you are in the postpartum depression phase of life to seek help because suicide is the number two reason that people end their lives postpartum. And out of that number of people who do that, the large majority of them had never seen a therapist or sought help within the past month before that.

• 56:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you for talking about it because that's part of what I think helps people, other people.

• 56:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I know a lot of our listeners are entering a very similar phase in their life as you are or might be going through it and haven't been able to feel safe talking about it. So thank you.

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  And also it helps to just ask, I know it's so hard to ask for help, but like it took me how long to ask for help when I told Brian, like, I'm suffering. And he went and he found me a therapist.

• 57:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 57:11Corinne Vien?

  And he booked it and he did everything. So call your friend, tell a coworker.

• 57:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Also, if you are a friend of someone who has recently had a child or is even just like, just reach out to your loved ones just generally and tell them that you're there for them.

• 57:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And if they don't respond, just text them again.

• 57:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just keep doing it.

• 57:32Corinne Vien?

  They don't have to respond because also I don't respond to people for like seven days because I just don't have time. But.

• 57:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I like that it's seven days.

• 57:39Corinne Vien?

  Seven days. I only respond if you text me within the 10 minute span that I'm actively pumping.

• 57:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, right.

• 57:46Corinne Vien?

  And then otherwise you have to wait seven days for me to open your text if I ever do.

• 57:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just hug your loved ones, remind them all. All that you love them and just know, no matter what in life, you are not alone and there is support for you and we're here for you. We love you. We all love you, Corinne.

• 58:04Corinne Vien?

  Thanks.

• 58:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're incredible.

• 58:05Corinne Vien?

  And I love everyone else. I don't want to scare anybody away from having a child.

• 58:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:10Corinne Vien?

  But, and it's the other, the one other thing, and this is the last thing I'll say is I think that if you are starting to be honest with people about how you're feeling, you will be shocked at how many people start to tell you stories because that was the thing that I experienced over Instagram direct messages with other people that were moms or even just walking by neighborhood.

• 58:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:30Corinne Vien?

  Every time someone said, how are you? I said, mm, I'm alive.

• 58:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 58:35Corinne Vien?

  And immediately, because I didn't say, oh, we're good.

• 58:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is what it's, everyone wants to say that, even like if you don't have a child, even if you're not experiencing postpartum, like any type of ailment or issue in life, I feel like we are taught to like, just be like, oh, we're, everything's well.

• 58:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, fine.

• 58:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just dandy.

• 58:51Corinne Vien?

  We'll survive.

• 58:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 58:52Corinne Vien?

  No, I was like, I'm alive, I'm awake. And immediately, the number of people that were like, oh my God, I had postpartum depression. Are you experiencing that?

• 59:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:02Corinne Vien?

  It was crazy.

• 59:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's way more common than.

• 59:04Corinne Vien?

  It's so common.

• 59:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Corinne Vien?

  People don't talk about it, or they just say, oh, I had postpartum depression and they don't want to revisit it because it is very painful.

• 59:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's also probably really hard when there are other people in your life who are having kids and aren't experiencing it and are experiencing this bliss and like

• 59:20Corinne Vien?

  Which one of my very best friends?

• 59:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:22Corinne Vien?

  Had a baby one month after me and our experiences are so different.

• 59:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:27Corinne Vien?

  She is baby bliss, over the moon, heart full of love, immediately bonded, everything is perfect, rainbows, butterflies.

• 59:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's not always, that's not always the reality.

• 59:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 59:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I love you. Thank you for sharing that.

• 59:40Corinne Vien?

  So I've been battling the postpartum buttons, but now we have a new recording. We have comfy chairs.

• 59:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We do have comfy chairs. I mean, if you saw our aura reading at House Witch with Kalen, it was wild how your aura has changed.

• 59:56Corinne Vien?

  My aura was basically like fighter flight.

• 59:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, survival.

• 1:00:00Corinne Vien?

  Survive.

• 1:00:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Corinne Vien?

  And I knew it, well, I was suspecting that it, if it wasn't, I would have started to believe a little bit less in aura readings.

• 1:00:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, that makes me believe in aura readings even more. Wait, we should frame our aura photography. You have them, right?

• 1:00:15Corinne Vien?

  I do. Here, hold on. Okay, I'm going to show our auras.

• 1:00:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, just to give everyone an example, this is what I used to be and what I always was. That was what, three years ago almost? Yeah. And anyone I ever encountered who said that they could read auras told me I was purple. This is Sabrina. She's pretty much always been this, except she became super psychic with that white halo. This was the other day. Mm hmm.

• 1:00:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is me now.

• 1:00:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoops. But you've also experienced some hauntings that I haven't heard of. And I got glimpses of it here and there because I was seeing what you were sharing on social media, but you didn't. You saved a lot of. I haven't told you all of them. Yeah. We are so grateful for Rocket Money, especially in this time of the year, trying to save money. I had two subscriptions for the same place that I did not know about until Rocket Money. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps you find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. See all of your subscriptions in one place and know exactly where your money is going. Plus, their dashboard is so easy to use. It gives you a clear view of your expenses across all accounts

• 1:01:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

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• 1:02:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So, where do I begin? I don't have as many as you. I mean, and they're all pretty streamlined. So. But you were also experiencing a lot before too, and you had shared those things. Yes. You had the faucet that would go off. Okay, so I'll just like, so as context, I moved into a house built in 1767 in Marblehead, which is a very haunted little place. And the previous owners had told us that there were some hauntings. The two things that she had told us was that occasionally you'll see something out of the corner of your eye, and then there's one faucet that will turn off or on randomly. And they had a plumber come and look at the pipes, and there was nothing wrong with it. They're like, we can't explain it.

• 1:02:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have experienced a couple of things and most of it has been electronics turning on and doing weird things. And then it was aggravated after talking about the Smurl possession. Yay, shout out to the Smurls. And then we find pennies everywhere.

• 1:03:02Corinne Vien?

  Are they facing up, like heads up?

• 1:03:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Different, different, they're different, but they are in the most random places. Like there was one in a closet. No, I have zero pennies.

• 1:03:12Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 1:03:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was one in a closet.

• 1:03:13Corinne Vien?

  We live in an Apple Pay era.

• 1:03:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, there's some in the garden and then I found one in a purse and then there was another on the bathroom counter.

• 1:03:21Corinne Vien?

  What the heck?

• 1:03:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I was talking about this on Campfire Stories. Everyone said it's really positive and that's like a, almost a gift from the spirits. And I have always felt positive energy from the house, except for the basement.

• 1:03:34Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wait, before you go to the basement, can I pitch something to you?

• 1:03:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sure.

• 1:03:38Corinne Vien?

  The ghosts are giving you pennies as a gift. Pennies are shiny. Can you give that as a gift to your neighborhood crows and ravens? And then maybe, and then the crows and ravens will give it back as a gift and the ghosts will take it and then you create this little, like little cycle?

• 1:03:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, maybe. I haven't seen any crows and ravens though.

• 1:03:55Corinne Vien?

  Well, maybe if you put a shiny penny outside.

• 1:03:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Maybe they'll come flocking. Uh, our house is the pigeon house because of Aunt Polly. There's a, actually, there's a lot of pigeon stuff that's been happening. So in one of the articles that I found about the history of the house, there was a woman named Polly who lived on the second floor and they called her Aunt Polly because I think she was the aunt of the owner of the house. At this time, there were six different families living in the house and she lived on the second floor with hundreds of pigeons that she raised and then sold.

• 1:04:25Corinne Vien?

  That is so cool.

• 1:04:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And occasionally, well, we have pigeons around the house all the time, but when we first moved in, these two pigeons kept sitting on the window box, looking into the living room. And it was weird. We were like, that's weird that these birds keep coming. Didn't really think much of it. And then I was coming home one day and we have a camera at the back door and I was just picking up packages, minding my own business and all of a sudden, and I have a video of it, these two pigeons just fly over my head. Like they were making a nest in the corner of the back door.

• 1:04:59Corinne Vien?

  Oh, and sweet little pigeon nest. They're so sad.

• 1:05:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. And these pigeons just hang out in the backyard and like are always there and I say hi to them and welcome them to the house.

• 1:05:11Corinne Vien?

  I need a pigeon expert to weigh in because I'm, I'm wondering if pigeons have this sort of memory that's passed down.

• 1:05:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, I don't know about memory, but I mean, carrier pigeons, like people use them to deliver things. So I think they have like some type of connection to a place.

• 1:05:29Corinne Vien?

  The ancestors of these pigeons, were they Polly's pigeons?

• 1:05:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:05:35Corinne Vien?

  Or is Polly still pigeon keeping in spectral form?

• 1:05:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, or she is a pigeon.

• 1:05:40Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 1:05:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So many options.

• 1:05:42Corinne Vien?

  So many options. It's the paranormal. Or is Polly a pigeon? Okay.

• 1:05:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That would be a great reincarnation.

• 1:05:49Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that would. I mean, it seems like something that she would want.

• 1:05:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. You gotta start feeding the pigeons.

• 1:05:54Corinne Vien?

  I do.

• 1:05:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wait.

• 1:05:55Corinne Vien?

  What?

• 1:05:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Let's train them and then let's send message. Screw text messages. You'll actually answer to my carrier pigeon?

• 1:06:02Corinne Vien?

  100% I will answer a carrier pigeon.

• 1:06:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll probably get the most fast as I get text responses because you live so close.

• 1:06:07Corinne Vien?

  Faster. You will get them so much faster. Oh, my gosh. I want to try.

• 1:06:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We probably won't do that.

• 1:06:13Corinne Vien?

  With all the free time we have to train the pigeons.

• 1:06:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'll, I'll say right now, we probably won't do that.

• 1:06:17Corinne Vien?

  But if we do, you'll be sure to hear it.

• 1:06:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The first to know. And then.

• 1:06:21Corinne Vien?

  The basement, you said.

• 1:06:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, the basement. Okay. So I've talked about Chris on Campfire Stories and also I think on one of the live streams I've done. I will link all of Chris's information and Instagram because Chris does readings and also Chris is an artist who made me that really cool. Did I show you this?

• 1:06:41Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:06:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She made me this like beautiful little altar frame. Yeah.

• 1:06:45Corinne Vien?

  What the?

• 1:06:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We should have her make one for here.

• 1:06:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we should.

• 1:06:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh, gosh, that's sick.

• 1:06:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I walked into the store in Salem and got a reading randomly with Chris and everything was spot on to the point where I texted Chris afterwards and I was like, hey, will you come do a reading of my house? Cause we had just moved in. And so Chris came over in the afternoon and was just reading the energy of the house and of me and of pain and just like seeing what was up. We were sitting outside doing this. So she hadn't even walked through the house. And she goes.

• 1:07:16Corinne Vien?

  Were you in the backyard? Yard by the body mound.

• 1:07:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were in the backyard, kind of by the body mound. And Chris goes, your house has really, really good energy. And she's like, sometimes it feels a little bit more masculine, but then I feel like you are bringing a much more feminine energy into the house. And I have been connecting very much with my mother's side and my ancestry on that side. And I have photos of them like in the house and I really call upon them. And she goes, there's just one weird energy that I'm getting and it feels like it's coming from like a rocky corner in your basement. My basement is not finished, but they did lay concrete on the floors. And then you can see the exposed rock in certain areas.

• 1:08:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's one corner that you see the exposed rock of the foundation of the house because the house is literally built into rock. And I will say, prior to Chris even saying this, that corner has always given me the heebie jeebies. Sure enough, we go down towards the basement after she said this. And she was like, this is the corner and it's some weird energy and she, she was like, it's not negative, but there's something weird.

• 1:08:28Corinne Vien?

  That's so wild too, how specific it was to the actual layout of the.

• 1:08:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And prior to Chris and like right when we had first moved in, that corner is like right below the back door mudroom and like entryway. I had hung dried baby's breath at that back door. Every time I would come back there, it would be ripped off of where I had hung it and on the ground. Every time. And I was like, that's so weird. And it happened like six times. Then I hung my little like witch's broom or broom by the door and it stopped falling.

• 1:09:02Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 1:09:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So I was like, is there something that's in the basement that doesn't like that energy being here? Anyway, so then as Chris is doing the reading of the whole house, she said, there's one room, actually the guest room. So if you're a guest at our house, it has the best energy in the house.

• 1:09:20Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's good.

• 1:09:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it's all of my stuff that I brought with me from LA and Santa Monica, which makes me think that

• 1:09:26Corinne Vien?

  that you're, you're.

• 1:09:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like my healing era.

• 1:09:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Stuff that I bought has kept its good positive energy and has brought that energy.

• 1:09:35Corinne Vien?

  Down the commune.

• 1:09:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm. The compound, the courtyard.

• 1:09:38Corinne Vien?

  The courtyard.

• 1:09:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then the room that is above the rocks has like a weird energy and you can even feel a temperature difference.

• 1:09:46Corinne Vien?

  Really?

• 1:09:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. So we did a little like protective stuff in that area. So Chris, those are reading. That's kind of like the biggest takeaway. I was like that one weird energy, but otherwise everything's positive. So while you're on maternity leave, I was like, I'm gonna talk to the dead. I'm gonna embrace this. I'm gonna open my third eye. I'm gonna get in touch with my psychic abilities, get in touch with my ancestors, yada, yada, yada. I do one live stream from the basement. It was middle of the day. I set up like candles down there. It's dark down there. You can watch the live stream. We'll link it in the YouTube video here, but I spend like the first 10 minutes just talking about the basement,

• 1:10:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  about the house, talking about what Chris said. And I'm sitting with that corner with the rock behind me.

• 1:10:34Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I kept saying like right behind me, like I was like, maybe I shouldn't sit with my back to it. But I was like, whatever. I'd actually rather not look into that corner because I don't want to acknowledge it. So I set all of that up. And then I turn on Ghost Tube, which is an app we use and have used at the Lizzie Porton house, at the S K Pierce house, and in live streams that we've done. And it has always been so accurate.

• 1:10:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the second I turn it on, do you want to know what the first thing it said was? Behind you.

• 1:11:05Corinne Vien?

  Which it's like, is that something saying I'm behind you? Or is that something else warning you that there's something behind you?

• 1:11:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Based on the conversations that followed, it made me think it was the thing that is behind me. And it was like, yeah, you were just talking about me and I am here.

• 1:11:20Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, Sabrina. Have you gone back down there since?

• 1:11:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not to like speak to the dead.

• 1:11:24Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay. You're not there every night at midnight?

• 1:11:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, God, no. After that, I was, because also as that was ending, it was basically every time I've done a live stream, as I'm ending, the spirits are like, please leave. Wild. So I'm like, I hear you. I'm going to leave.

• 1:11:39Corinne Vien?

  It's like when we were at the Lizzie Borden house and they were like, all right, time to go. And they like turned on all the lights in the house.

• 1:11:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. The energy changed.

• 1:11:45Corinne Vien?

  Leave.

• 1:11:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Once we were like, okay, we're leaving.

• 1:11:47Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And then the last thing I'll say in this again reaffirms my belief in ghost tube. I had it on during Campfire Stories one night because I was just like, you know, I'll have it on. As I was talking about the pennies and finding stuff in the house. And it kept saying Nathaniel. And I was like, who's Nathaniel? Anyone have a relative name Nathaniel? And then the next day I'm in the shower and it, epiphany like lightbulb moment. The house is literally built for a Nathaniel. His name is on the plaque outside of the house.

• 1:12:18Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I just got so many chills.

• 1:12:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Corinne Vien?

  This is the most magical thing about having a house that's that old.

• 1:12:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 1:12:25Corinne Vien?

  And knowing the history of it too. Cause you did a whole episode too, where you like looked at into all the history of your house.

• 1:12:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:32Corinne Vien?

  Holy shit.

• 1:12:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Corinne Vien?

  Everybody's coming out and saying hi.

• 1:12:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Everyone's coming out. There is one weird thing that one of the beams in the living room has almost as if someone was counting down the days. It has like tallies, has eight tallies scratched into the beams.

• 1:12:48Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:12:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then the only thing I could think of is, I mean, read the writing on the wall comes from, people used to write on the wall. And I think it comes from specifically construction. I might be wrong about that, but people used to write notes on like, when you're building a house, they would write like little things on the wood boards.

• 1:13:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I was like, maybe it's that, but it's on a ceiling. I don't really know.

• 1:13:09Corinne Vien?

  I mean, it's worth an email to, I think it's the Salem Historical Society. There's this one guy that works there. He's also on Farmhouse Fixer all the time because he goes in and he knows all the history of like the things that they used to do. And he's looked at wood carvings and markings that have been odd in various homes that they've worked in.

• 1:13:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Corinne Vien?

  It's maybe worth just sending an email and being like, what is this? Of any significance or is this some random?

• 1:13:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is it commonplace that people did this? Yeah. I don't know. Interesting. Anyway, so we'll stay tuned on that. But otherwise it's really just been electrical things like the TV turning on by itself. And all of a sudden being at full volume while I'm alone and it scares me. But otherwise I've felt very positive energy. I've also, our listener, and I'm sorry I'm blanking. On your name, I have the note with the pendulum. But Daniel is the spirit attached to that pendulum. Remember a listener sent a haunted pendulum? Daniel and I are best friends. I love Daniel so much. I've been using the pendulum every time I do any communication with the spirits. And I feel like Daniel has spent energy to me where it's like this playful spirit who's on our side, but teases us, you know, a little bit.

• 1:14:18Corinne Vien?

  You just made me have an idea. And I feel like we should each, we should get little stands for our pendulums. And every time we record, you can bring Daniel and your pendulum with you. And we'll just hang each of our pendulums behind us and so that they can communicate if they need to.

• 1:14:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love that.

• 1:14:32Corinne Vien?

  Okay, we'll figure it out.

• 1:14:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I also learned that apparently putting your hand, your other hand underneath the pendulum helps with like energy.

• 1:14:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:14:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Especially your energy.

• 1:14:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, to kind of ground it.

• 1:14:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Corinne Vien?

  But interesting.

• 1:14:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's a great idea.

• 1:14:45Corinne Vien?

  Let's do it.

• 1:14:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm ordering, after this, we'll order pendulum stands and we'll put them up.

• 1:14:49Corinne Vien?

  Perfect.

• 1:14:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I think that's most of my haunting. They've been pretty small.

• 1:14:52Corinne Vien?

  Dang, I don't think that's very small at all.

• 1:14:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I guess I, but I've been inviting.

• 1:14:57Corinne Vien?

  Casually chatting with the dead.

• 1:14:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, casually chatting with the dead.

• 1:15:00Corinne Vien?

  You're literally communicating with them.

• 1:15:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Corinne Vien?

  It's beyond just like, oh, there's a faucet that turns on. Like there's communication, there's words, there's other people involved coming and telling you. I guess I kind of had the same thing with the neighbor being like, oh yeah, you live near.

• 1:15:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. But you're not actively trying to communicate with the dead. I am. And now I'm making you.

• 1:15:22Corinne Vien?

  Here's the lesson of paranormal. It doesn't matter if you try to engage with them or not, it will find you.

• 1:15:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If it wants to.

• 1:15:30Corinne Vien?

  If it wants to.

• 1:15:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it does find a lot of you and a lot of us. And we are somewhat, most of the time grateful for it.

• 1:15:38Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 1:15:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we're grateful for all of you. And if you have any hauntings that you would like to share with us, please email them to us at [email protected]. And join us on Patreon for Campfire Stories, which is live every Tuesday night. You can come share your ghost stories with us live. We also have episodes ad free and one week early on Patreon and we do bonus episodes every month. So many cool things over there. Book club. So head on over, check it out, and we'll see you here twice a week. Otherwise. Thank you to our editor, Jamie, for editing and producing this podcast. We are so grateful for you and we're so grateful for all of you. And we will. See you on the other side.

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