How Hellah Sidibe’s 3,350-Day Run Streak Rebuilt His Mind

Hellah Sidibe is a former professional soccer player, transcontinental runner, and now 3,349 consecutive days into a run streak. This conversation explores the tenets of the run streak and the architecture of Hellah's relentless positivity. We discuss gratitude, why abundance is a consequence of the way you walk the earth, happiness as moments created with people, and his role as the counterweight to the grifters preying on vulnerable young men online. We need more Hellah energy in the world. Consider this a dose. Enjoy! Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up Today’s Sponsors: AG1: Get the Welcome Kit + D3 + K2 + Flavor sampler pack FREE ($126 in gifts)👉🏼https://www.drinkAG1.com/richroll Squarespace: Use code RichRoll to save 10% off your first order of a website or domain👉🏼https://www.squarespace.com/RichRoll Rivian: Electric vehicles that keep the world adventurous forever👉🏼https://stories.rivian.com/richroll WHOOP: Join now and get one month free👉🏼https://www.join.whoop.com/Roll Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors👉🏼https://www.richroll.com/sponsors Find out more about Voicing Change Media at https://www.voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:04Hellah Sidibe?

  I ran this morning. It's day 3,349 consecutive run.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Hella Sidibe is a New Jersey-based YouTuber.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  Known as Hella Good to his massive YouTube following.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Ran from LA to New York in just 84 days.

• 1:17Hellah Sidibe?

  My number-one run streak rule, it has to be outside, no matter the circumstances. Treadmill doesn't count. I have run two miles outside. I had oral surgery and I had an implant and a wisdom teeth removed all at once. So, within one mile, my mouth is full of blood. When I went to Australia in 2019, took four flights to keep my streak alive. When you start telling your brain, "I'm good enough", eventually you're gonna prove to yourself that you were right about it.

• 1:42Rich Roll?

  What do you think is the biggest thing that people misunderstand about you and this run streak and what you're doing?

• 1:49Hellah Sidibe?

  Okay, so.

• 1:53Rich Roll?

  All right, everybody. Your favorite run influencer, runner, is here. The guy who ran across America. The guy who is on year nine of his run streak. The hello, my beautiful people man himself, Hellah Sidibe is in the house. How are you, my friend?

• 2:08Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you, thank you for your kind word. I'm excited to be back. It's been five years.

• 2:13Rich Roll?

  Almost exactly. Like, I checked, I checked the date. It was July of 2021 when you did the show. So, lots to catch up on. The run streak is intact. You look good. You have a smile on your face, as you always do.

• 2:28Hellah Sidibe?

  You look great as well. You look great.

• 2:31Rich Roll?

  How are you doing? What's been going on?

• 2:32Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm doing incredible. That's all I can say. Because I'm still doing what I love, which is running. And there's nothing to it. Sometimes you think about how the future might look like, and then you have the way you envision the future. But the biggest thing for me was, I wanna keep running forever, and we're still here five years later. And that's why I can't complain.

• 2:52Rich Roll?

  So, you just, in May, you eclipsed your eighth year and you're into your ninth year.

• 2:58Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I know, I did nine years.

• 2:59Rich Roll?

  But you did nine years, so you're into your 10th year.

• 3:02Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm in my 10th year. It'll be a decade next year.

• 3:04Rich Roll?

  That is insane. So, how many days is that?

• 3:06Hellah Sidibe?

  So, today, I ran this morning. It's day 3,349 consecutive run. And so, by the time we hit, what, another 365 days, it will be, what, more than 3,700, 800 something days?

• 3:23Rich Roll?

  Well, 10 years, wouldn't that be 3,650 days?

• 3:28Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I think, I think that's what it is, if I'm correct.

• 3:29Rich Roll?

  I mean, I can do, like, that kind of math. 365 times 10.

• 3:34Hellah Sidibe?

  Exactly.

• 3:34Rich Roll?

  Is there ever, I know the answer to this, but I wanna hear you say it out loud. What do you do when you wake up and you just don't wanna do it?

• 3:43Hellah Sidibe?

  I've never had that.

• 3:44Rich Roll?

  See, is that true?

• 3:46Hellah Sidibe?

  100% rich. I'm telling you.

• 3:48Rich Roll?

  There's never been a day in the last nine years where you woke up and you didn't wanna go running?

• 3:54Hellah Sidibe?

  No, there's never been.

• 3:55Rich Roll?

  So, what, how?

• 3:57Hellah Sidibe?

  This is what happens. Okay, so, there's been time where I'm injured. Well, there's an injury lingering around, and I hate the run because I'm in so much pain. I can't enjoy what the run gives me because you're just in pain. When you're in pain, your mind goes to the pain, and I can't even enjoy my scenery. When I run, I daydream. So, I look forward to every single run because I'm talking to myself. I used to ask my grandfather. I used to ask my dad to, "Why does grandpa's always talking to himself? Is he crazy? Because he's just, he's a mumble." And then now I find myself talking to myself. So, when I go running, I'm talking to myself. I'm daydreaming. I'm pretending I'm in a race. I'm pretending that I'm envisioning what my future would look like or what's gonna happen when I get home or what I'm about to do. Or when I'm angry, I talk to myself out of it, look at life in a different light.

• 4:42Hellah Sidibe?

  So, I'm not feeling the same way when I get home. So, I look forward to those moments when I go running. And when I do feel like I don't run, there's something wrong. So, we came up with this term, and you're gonna hear it first time on the Rich Roll Podcast. I've mentioned it in one other podcast, but no one's ever heard of this, and I'm padding this word. You know, you get angry. I get rengry.

• 5:00Rich Roll?

  Meaning, you get angry if you don't run?

• 5:02Hellah Sidibe?

  I get mad if I don't run. Because, and I don't even know that I'm mad until Lex calls me out. She'll be like, "Did you run today?" And I'll be like, "You know what? I did not run today." And then she'll be like, "Go run." And as soon as I'm out there, I just feel so bubbly as a kid, and I come home, completely different energy.

• 5:17Rich Roll?

  I have a hard time imagining you angry.

• 5:20Hellah Sidibe?

  And then the angry is not as angry as you think. I'm just like in a bad mood. I just look like I have no, I'm, my energy's down. I'm quiet. Like, something is wrong with me, and I don't know what it is. It's not like I'm like angry, screaming type of angry. Something, my mood is not, it's not exciting. I just, I'm too quiet, which I'm never quiet.

• 5:36Rich Roll?

  But you're oozing positivity out of every single pore in your body. Like, is this, is this always been you? Like, were you born this way? Or is this something that has developed and evolved?

• 5:47Hellah Sidibe?

  I think I definitely was born in a scenario where that transpired into my life. And then it got better as I got older, seeing life differently. So, where I grew up in Mali, West Africa, we don't have much. And one other thing I learned right away, when I went back home, when I got older, I see these kids playing with these piece of stick. I might've talked about it before. Where they're so happy, and I've asked one of them, "What's this?" And they're like, "This is a toy." They're naming a toy, but it's a piece of stick in my eyes. They're imagining what it is. And I started thinking to myself, "Wow, this is crazy. This is making them happy." And I didn't know that I was missing anything till I came to the US. Came to the US, now I'm seeing kids with video game, PlayStation. But when I was back home, we could have a little ball. We're happy with it. And now that I came to see something else, I never knew I was missing something till I saw something.

• 6:31Hellah Sidibe?

  So, that, I always had that happiness in the back of my mind. And we talked about when soccer didn't work out for me. Then I lost that. Because I started being, being really mad about how the world is happening to me and being jealous. That's the word to use. When I see my peers are going on to live their dream, and I can't because I have zero control. So, I didn't like that feeling. And then I got sick of being mad. I got sick of being jealous. I was sick of being, making excuses. And you're just sick of it. You just feel not good. You feel disgusted about yourself. And then I try to find ways now to go back to how I used to be. And I always used to smile. I always have a good time. One other thing that I grew up in Mali that we always did, we didn't have much when we're hanging out outside. We laugh about our misfortune.

• 7:15Hellah Sidibe?

  People will be like, "Well, at least we have this right now." Because if we don't have that, that's something else that we could lose. So, if you don't have something, we look at it. You have this at least, because it's better than nothing. So, I always had that mindset. And as you get older, you try to see life from a different light. It could always be worse. Whenever things get tough, I look back home.

• 7:34Rich Roll?

  How do you stay present with that, though? Because I think a lot of, you know, a lot of us, if not most people, we have our fleeting experiences with that, where we're like, "Oh, my God, you know, I should be grateful for what I have." And, and we can kind of hold on to that temporarily, but it fades. And then, you know, we adapt to our environment. And then we look around, and we're like, "How come I don't have that?" Or, "Why isn't this working out for me?" Because it's working out for that person. Like, we adjust our expectations based upon our environment.

• 8:02Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 8:02Rich Roll?

  So, to be able to maintain, like, that perspective and, you know, connection to where you came from as a means of, like, always maintaining this, like, positive disposition, like, that's, like, it's a gift, but it's also work, I imagine, to be able to, you know, kind of maintain that, stay present with that.

• 8:25Hellah Sidibe?

  Absolutely. You have to work at it. So, one other thing that helps me a lot. You know, you said you can do perspective, like, "Oh, at least I have this." And then that can last a short amount of time. So, one of the best examples that happened to me in life was in 2015. I just got my first lease on a car. My credit score was 500. And I just, I just delusionally saw this car. It was a Mustang. Went to the dealership that Lex's dad recommended, because he's bought his car there and just showed up. "I wanna get this Mustang." And they're like, "Do you have good credit score?" I was like, "I don't know." I was cutting grass at the time. All I got paid was actually cash. I didn't even have a credit score going on. And then they ran my credit. And the guy said, "Your credit score is 540." And he goes, "You know what? You look like a good kid. If I get you approved, would you make sure you make your car payment on time?" I said, "I promise."

• 9:10Hellah Sidibe?

  He said, "Once you make this car payment on time..." You're gonna build a relationship with four credit. So the next time you get a loan from us, it's gonna be easy and easier. So I said, copy. I'm gonna, I love cars so much. I'm gonna make sure I don't miss this one up.

• 9:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 9:22Hellah Sidibe?

  So I love this car. I'm obsessed with this car. I remember one time I was so mad, something happened. I can't remember it. I was actually mad. And I was complaining and I said, I'm gonna go sit in my Mustang. Like, I don't care. Like, like my Mustang is gonna be the best thing. I'm gonna go on a drive. I go sit in this car, Rich. I turn it on. And I couldn't leave the driveway. And I'm looking at the car. I'm like, I don't even want this piece of crap because I was so mad. I couldn't even enjoy the car. Right away, something, a bell hit my head. It was like, oh, materials can't make you happy. So I started thinking, it's not what you have that's gonna make you happy because I couldn't get out of this anger that I was in. And I realized you can't be happy because of things. When I keep hearing people, material, money, all of that doesn't make you happy. I really didn't experience that until I was in that moment.

• 10:06Hellah Sidibe?

  So that's when I found out how I can keep, get my happiness back from what I used to have back home. So it was moments that I created with people. So happiness to me comes from moments that you have with people and moments that you create with people. You know, you reminisce, all you talk about, remember that back in the day where you still kick around? And then you get happy, you smile because it brings you back to that time. So I started registering in my mind. You gotta create moments in your life for the present moment. And then in the future, that becomes the happiness because you think about these moments, how it makes you feel and you feel good. So happiness to me comes from moments that I create with people, even being here, friends, family.

• 10:46Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh, you know, your partners, everything like that. So when it comes down to it, when it's really, really bad, you gotta think about the people.

• 10:54Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 10:54Hellah Sidibe?

  And everything to me is about the people. Without the people, life is really, what do we do it for? We, we get excited because we get to share moments with people.

• 11:01Rich Roll?

  Beautifully stated. You're, you're my new guru.

• 11:03Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh, thank you.

• 11:04Rich Roll?

  I know you love cars. I know you love that Mustang.

• 11:07Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, I love that Mustang. I always cried a little bit.

• 11:10Rich Roll?

  Made me happier though, uh, than seeing that video of you picking up your nine eleven.

• 11:16Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 11:16Rich Roll?

  Cause I know how much you love cars.

• 11:18Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, I love cars.

• 11:19Rich Roll?

  And, and I just, I was like, I can't imagine how much this means to this guy.

• 11:24Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 11:24Rich Roll?

  Um, but also knowing that you have it in proper perspective. Like, this is not the answer. You know, this is not gonna make you happy. But it's kind of awesome that you were able to go get this crazy car. Like, how old are you?

• 11:38Hellah Sidibe?

  I, I'm thirty five.

• 11:40Rich Roll?

  Thirty five? Like, driving this beautiful silver Porsche nine eleven? And then I was reflecting on the relationship between your love of cars and your love of running because your run streak only happened because you were obsessed with a certain car channel on YouTube.

• 12:00Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, you remember that.

• 12:02Rich Roll?

  Was talking about trying to take care of himself and starting this streak for himself. And that gave you the idea. So it all, it's all a piece.

• 12:10Hellah Sidibe?

  It's all connected.

• 12:11Rich Roll?

  Peace.

• 12:12Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. His name is Paul Wallace. Shout out to Paul Wallace, super cuz of London. In fact, when I started the run streak and then I went to a year, I DM'd him. He didn't see it for years until two years ago. He goes, oh, my gosh, I've seen your TikTok before. I said, Paul, I wanna let you know you're one of the reason why I'm at here today. And now we're friends. I'm so happy that he heard about that.

• 12:29Rich Roll?

  Is he in London?

• 12:30Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, he's in London.

• 12:31Rich Roll?

  So you're going to the London Marathon, right? With Apple?

• 12:34Hellah Sidibe?

  I did that.

• 12:35Rich Roll?

  Oh, that was, that already happened. That's right. Okay. I was gonna say, did you, did you go meet him? You should go make a video with him.

• 12:40Hellah Sidibe?

  I would love to and I'm, I'm gonna go back to London.

• 12:43Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 12:43Hellah Sidibe?

  But it was, you're in such a tight timeframe because you're doing a lot of stuff with the partners that you're with. It was hard to do something extra outside of that. And the goal was to help pace my blind friend. That was the biggest thing for me. So I didn't get to do too much of the stuff, but I'll go back. Yeah.

• 12:59Rich Roll?

  Do you have a, uh, anything in mind to celebrate the, the decade?

• 13:03Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 13:03Rich Roll?

  Assuming you're, you'll make it.

• 13:05Hellah Sidibe?

  And whoever's listening to this, but hopefully, I mean, my, my, my biggest sponsor, my favorite brand to work with, uh, Hoka. Um, I talked to them about what I want ten years to look like. And one other thing I wanna do is like a, almost like a festival day, like a hella good day. Everybody, not being me necessarily, but everybody's gonna have a hella good. You know, California, it's a hella.

• 13:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 13:26Hellah Sidibe?

  So a hella good day. So basically it's gonna be a whole day where you are eating, you're running. So let's say you, for example, wanna come to this ten year celebration. You can't come in at ten in the morning, but you can come in at one P M. Because I want this to be continued like a whole day where you come in and run at any time you want. You can just come and hang out, eat a lot of fun stuff, a lot of giveaway, my favorite things that I like to use throughout this run streak. My favorite shoes, my favorite watch, my favorite supplement. So that's the envision, almost like a carnival type of mindset I'm thinking about to celebrate the ten years.

• 13:58Rich Roll?

  Would you do that in New York City?

• 14:00Hellah Sidibe?

  It has to be in New York City. It has to be in New York City.

• 14:01Rich Roll?

  Well, that could be an annual event also, like the hella good day, like May, what is it? May eleventh, seventeen?

• 14:07Hellah Sidibe?

  May, uh, May fifteenth.

• 14:09Rich Roll?

  May fifteenth.

• 14:09Hellah Sidibe?

  But I've done every year, I'll do like a, a group run. So for the first time ever, actually, since I started doing this celebration, I did it in New Jersey this year. But I would come in New York City. We've done Central Park, West Side Highway. We've done the Hoka store before. So went to New Jersey this, um, past May, just to, cause everybody in New Jersey would message me, how come you never done it in, in the home state? So I did that, which is pretty fun.

• 14:30Rich Roll?

  Let's break this down. So I wanna understand the, the rules of the run streak.

• 14:34Hellah Sidibe?

  Run streak, yes.

• 14:35Rich Roll?

  Cause there is, uh, some, some like kind of tenants to all of this.

• 14:40Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 14:40Rich Roll?

  Uh, first of all, you travel a lot.

• 14:43Hellah Sidibe?

  Travel a lot.

• 14:44Rich Roll?

  So this is an added complication. The more well-known you become, the more in demand you, you know, you are, you're on planes all the time. This is now making it a little trickier than when you started.

• 14:55Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes. Okay. My number one run streak rule, it has to be outside no matter the circumstances. Treadmill doesn't count as a run for me, but treadmill could be extra miles. And I'll tell you an example of how I utilized treadmill yesterday. Uh, it has to be outside. And then, um, I had a minimum requirement in the first year. You have to average seven miles a day because that happened to be by default. But my minimum miles is five K, three point one miles or just three miles flat. And I've had scenario where I have run two miles outside when I had oral surgery and I had implant and a wisdom teeth removed all at once. So I still want to run, but I did two miles out those days. And, but even after.

• 15:31Rich Roll?

  While you were on pain meds and stuff?

• 15:33Hellah Sidibe?

  No pain med. My doc, my, my surgeon told me, the ortho surgeon said, hey, yeah, it looks like you have high pain tolerance. I'm just gonna give you a higher dose of Tylenol. That was it. That's all I got for that.

• 15:42Rich Roll?

  And you ran after, how, how many hours after dental surgery?

• 15:46Hellah Sidibe?

  I ran six in the morning. Surgery was at eight. So I took care of that day. So the next day I waited till eight P M. And when I went out there, he warned me, I don't care. I'm not really worried about your pain tolerance. I'm worried about the stitch coming, the stitching coming out. With the blood pressure, you're gonna have your mouth full of blood. And I went out to run. So within one mile, my mouth was full of blood. And I can feel with my tongue a little of the stitch.

• 16:06Rich Roll?

  This is where, uh, the run streak, uh, is it cross purposes with your, you know, your hella well-being.

• 16:13Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes. So I said to myself, one more mile and you're done. So I cut it at two miles. And the following day it got better. But, um, those are some of the rules. And also because it has to be outside, it doesn't mean that I can't use the treadmill. So we've been having this smoke happening in New York City, uh, in New Jersey. I don't know if you've noticed. You go out, you can smell it. Yesterday was awful. So I looked at the, the A Q I, looking at the air quality. And it was the least amount like bad air in the morning. It's still bad. You can still smell it. So I wore a mask to go run two miles outside because the run streak has to be outside. I had an eight mile run, but I put on my mask. I went out there, two miles and I came home, took off the mask.

• 16:53Hellah Sidibe?

  And as soon as I took off the mask, Max actually, I said, I'm so happy I did this because it was actually that bad. Imagine even being out there for that long, breathing that air in. And I'm looking at longevity for my health is, so I went on the treadmill and did an extra six miles. So I took care of the business outside. So now I want to do the.

• 17:09Rich Roll?

  So five K minimum, but not all of that has to be outside.

• 17:13Hellah Sidibe?

  No, it doesn't have to be outside. But if I end up doing a five K minimum, I'll a hundred percent of the time, I'll be outside until this scenario where because of the smoke, I was smart about it. I told myself, even Lex was like, I don't think you're gonna only do two outside the way you are. I said, you know what? I'm thinking about my lungs and my future and running. I'll do two outside and then do the rest on the treadmill. So this morning I went to do two outside and the air quality is much better. But it still wasn't great. And then when I go home later today, I'm gonna hop on a treadmill and do four extra to get my six total in.

• 17:41Rich Roll?

  What about international travel?

• 17:42Hellah Sidibe?

  Okay. So the crazy thing about me, if you ever see me anywhere in the world, my phone is always gonna be at East Coast standard time. My watch, it never updates. So I have mine set up as manual. So it, you know, when you land on a flight, you turn on your phone and it updates to whatever time zone. Mine never changes. It's East Coast. The run streak started in New Jersey. So I don't, when I go to L A, I don't get an extra three hours. So when it's, when it's nine P M. in L A, that's midnight in New Jersey. If I don't run by then, the run streak is over. So I have to run within that twenty four hour. That's my own rule. When I went to Australia in twenty nineteen, took four flights to keep my streak alive.

• 18:18Rich Roll?

  Right. Because you, if you flew direct from New York to Australia, it would have blown it.

• 18:22Hellah Sidibe?

  No.

• 18:23Rich Roll?

  You would have been on the plane too long, right? So you purposely.

• 18:26Hellah Sidibe?

  Purposely planned it.

• 18:26Rich Roll?

  Created stops on route so that you could maintain the streak. So what, what did you like? Go to Okinawa or something like Hawaii?

• 18:35Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh, I flew from, uh, New Jersey to L A, got off the flight in L A, made sure I ran there. So when it hit midnight already, I ran in L A. So I got on a flight to Brisbane, got off the flight to run. And then when I went from Brisbane to Broome, got off the flight and ran in Broome to get to my destination.

• 18:53Hellah Sidibe?

  And it was designed because big shout out to GoPro because GoPro offered me this trip. I told them, no, because I don't want to ruin my run streak. I said, I really appreciate it. And I told them, the reason that I have this opportunity to even go on this trip is because of this run. And the run is really important to me. I would have to kindly decline. And they said, what if we connected to a travel agent? We figure it out and that's what happened. Yeah.

• 19:15Rich Roll?

  What's the closest that you've ever come to the streak getting broken?

• 19:19Hellah Sidibe?

  So there hasn't been. This is why, you know, it says, if it's important to you, you'll find a way. When I even, if I have to catch a flight, I will never risk anything. I've had a six AM flight going to California. I was out running three in the morning because I know that I'm in control of that timeframe. But if I get stuck in a plane, what am I supposed to do? And I've gotten stuck in a plane for a couple of hours, few hours before.

• 19:41Rich Roll?

  Yeah, what happens if you're, you know, they don't let you off?

• 19:44Hellah Sidibe?

  The run would be taken care of. You probably didn't get on that flight.

• 19:46Rich Roll?

  Like you're in a situation where you have no agency over like your freedom.

• 19:52Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm going to say if, if that's the case, but that'll never be the case because I'll never get on a flight before I run. I've, I've never done that. I've never done that, Rich. I would at all costs.

• 20:02Rich Roll?

  You have to avoid getting arrested.

• 20:04Hellah Sidibe?

  At all costs.

• 20:04Rich Roll?

  Like, you know, like there's certain situations.

• 20:06Hellah Sidibe?

  If anything happened, I'd be like, hey, officer, can I run around?

• 20:09Rich Roll?

  You know, a little question around you perpetuating the run streak through injury. You know, like this is like, as you get older, like there's the risk, you know, calculus gets a little bit more steep.

• 20:20Hellah Sidibe?

  I also tell people too, the run streak isn't, is not as important as recovery because having a recovery, I can't run the next day.

• 20:26Rich Roll?

  How do you do this and not be neurotic about it though?

• 20:29Hellah Sidibe?

  I, as soon as I feel something, I attend to the professionals. Cause back in the day, I used to be like, oh, I'm, I'm a super trooper. I can fight this and it will be three months long of pain. So this time when I feel something, I back off the pace, I back off the distance and I go to PT right away. A man, a manual therapist right away. So I pay attention to my body very well now. To me right now, it's not about ego anymore. I used to be very ego driven when I started. I'm like, I can do this, nothing can stop me. Now it's being smart as things happen unfolds.

• 20:58Rich Roll?

  If you're vibing on Hella, I'm talking to the audience. Uh, you should check out our first podcast from five years ago. Cause we kind of tell your whole backstory. So we're not going to do that today, but I did write down just some fun questions that I thought I could ask you. What are the poly market odds on how long this streak is going to go?

• 21:18Hellah Sidibe?

  So I love that question because I have no idea. And I would say the only answer I have to this is if I pick a date, let's just say 10 years. I would settle, do the bare minimum to get to 10 years. It'll allow me to just, you know, your body, well, your mind gets to this situation where you're just going to do what it takes to get to that point. Cause you already calculated in your head.

• 21:39Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Hellah Sidibe?

  So I don't want to have a date. I'm just going to let it go.

• 21:42Rich Roll?

  So you don't think about.

• 21:43Hellah Sidibe?

  No, I don't think about it at all.

• 21:44Rich Roll?

  A day. I mean, this is a very AA thing, one day at a time. Like all you can do is like, okay, I'm going to do my run today. The only way to perpetuate a streak is to focus on what you're doing today.

• 21:54Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, absolutely. So if I do wake up tomorrow and I absolutely hated the run and I'm as miserable how I used to be before I started. I always said to everybody, I'll be the first one to pick up my phone. What's up my beautiful people? The streak is over today and I'll be happy about it because I know the fact that I found this run streak, I can find something else. So I have to be open about that.

• 22:13Rich Roll?

  Will you?

• 22:13Hellah Sidibe?

  You can't hold on to it too tight.

• 22:14Rich Roll?

  Be relieved? Will it be cathartic? Like a burden being lifted off of you? Or do you not feel like the pressure of that?

• 22:22Hellah Sidibe?

  There's zero pressure. And when I, when someone asked me, how do I start a run streak? One of the first thing I said, you gotta do it pressure free. You gotta do a pressure free and you gotta do something attainable and you gotta do it because you love it. Those are the three things that I always talk about. And the pressure free came from when I played soccer, coaches are always on you. When you're in the back of the line, when you're doing fitness test, there's some kind of pressure. You can't be last, you gotta pick it up. You're too slow. So there's zero pressure there. So I wanted that section and then you gotta do something attainable. I started 10 minutes a day because I didn't know how my body would react. 10 minutes was definitely attainable. I could have done more than that, but I didn't know how long I could keep that up. So as that time went on, 10 minutes started feeling like nothing. So I added more. And then the last was because I was like, wow, this is not bad. I actually like this. I love it now. It doesn't seem like a chore.

• 23:05Rich Roll?

  Is there somebody else who has a longer run streak than you?

• 23:09Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 23:09Rich Roll?

  Who has the record?

• 23:10Hellah Sidibe?

  So there's a record of this gentleman, 52 or 55 years. People ask me that, do you want to do that? I said, that I can answer to you. No, that I can say.

• 23:20Rich Roll?

  Legit, like verified, there's some guy out there.

• 23:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, I think it's legit because you gotta take his words and you gotta trust him. And back in the day, I wear multiple watches. All you had when you run is a notebook and you write it down. So 50 some years ago, that's what he was doing. And to me, I guess if you ask someone who has it from day one on a record, I can be the one to prove that to you a hundred percent. So I have mine because of the digital age that I grew up in. So you can say maybe something on a record to show, but I don't, I don't have the record. I'm far away from the record and I never thought about that. And I'm glad I didn't know that was a thing before I started. Cause then again, guess what you start doing? Start comparing yourself to others. So ignorance is a bliss.

• 23:59Rich Roll?

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• 26:45Rich Roll?

  If you could speak to young Hella when he was a little kid in Mali. What are you, what are you telling this kid?

• 26:53Hellah Sidibe?

  Everything will be all right. Everything will be all right.

• 26:56Rich Roll?

  If?

• 26:57Hellah Sidibe?

  You just have to be, stay happy. Just don't lose that joy. Everything will be all right. And I tell my sister, my sister had three kids now, uh, two boys and a girl. My niece is one years old now and I was like, she's my favorite. I can't, I can't let my niece, my nephews hear that.

• 27:12Rich Roll?

  Do they live in the States?

• 27:13Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, they live in Illinois, DeKalb. So when I see that little girl, Rich, she's always smiling. And I said to my sister, I said, Fatima, can you do everything in your absolute power to not let her lose that joy? She's like, what do you mean? I was like, you see that innocence right there? She's just happy. We don't know why, we don't know what she's thinking in her head. So can, I don't know if we can do that. And I wish every kid could just keep that joy because I had it and I lost it.

• 27:37Rich Roll?

  What about every person? You know, like, like we're all just trying to get home.

• 27:40Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 27:40Rich Roll?

  You know, if we could just be more childlike in our life, like life just wears us down.

• 27:45Hellah Sidibe?

  Absolutely.

• 27:45Rich Roll?

  I see it as a parent, you know?

• 27:47Hellah Sidibe?

  Absolutely.

• 27:48Rich Roll?

  You, you like, you know, you know, on your phone, like it, it put the little photo thing is like memories, you know? It's like, it's always like pictures of the kids when they're really young. And I was like, oh, look how happy they are. Like life is hard.

• 27:59Hellah Sidibe?

  It's hard.

• 28:00Rich Roll?

  Life is hard and it like, and all the incentives of our culture, it like squeezes all of that out of us. You know?

• 28:07Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 28:08Rich Roll?

  And it's really difficult to like, hold on to that.

• 28:11Hellah Sidibe?

  And for, for me to tell her, she said, how am I going to do that when she grew up? I can't control that. I said, yeah, you can't control certain aspects of life, but the point is to always remind her what makes her happy to keep doing that. Cause when I grew up, my parents and I, I love my parents. My dad, he's going to, he's, he named a lot. He wanted me to do life his way. So now that was taking my joy away because now I was forced to do something I don't like. So when I was telling that to my sister, more like, let her be her. Cause if you let somebody be themselves, yeah, there's going to be ups and downs, but it ultimately, even that down, when that happened, it will not outweigh the joy. Cause you will find your way back to the joy.

• 28:44Rich Roll?

  You've been with your partner like sixteen years?

• 28:47Hellah Sidibe?

  Fourteen years.

• 28:47Rich Roll?

  Fourteen years? Kids?

• 28:49Hellah Sidibe?

  No kids.

• 28:50Rich Roll?

  Nope. And I know you, no, but are you thinking of?

• 28:53Hellah Sidibe?

  We, okay, the answer is sometime we're like-

• 28:55Rich Roll?

  This run streak's too easy. You need to complicate it. You need to have a child.

• 28:59Hellah Sidibe?

  Sometime-

• 29:00Rich Roll?

  Then the degree of difficulty exponentially-

• 29:02Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm thinking to myself, I would love kids. I would be a great parent. We talk about, we would be awesome parents. And we're not afraid to have kids. And there's sometime we just, we're like, maybe we don't want kids. Cause you think about so many things and some of them is definitely selfish. And I like my freedom. I said with kids, you're probably not gonna have the same freedom, but I can make it work. You know, and then also you think about the world that we're in, you're like, do I wanna bring a kid into this world? Do I wanna have something else to worry about? Do I wanna put a kid in a situation where they can't control what happens to the world? You can bring your kids into a world, but you can't control what the world is gonna expose itself to your kid. Even if you do whatever you can. So I think about, I go back and forth. We go back and forth. So we're like, we want kids sometime. We're like, we don't want kids sometime. We're like, we don't know what to do. So it's just back and forth. So I have no idea.

• 29:47Rich Roll?

  This is the portal into the darkness that I've been looking for. I'm like, where's the darkness? Like it's all smiles. I'm like, oh, okay. So he has a, he has a, he has a worldview. Like the world is in such a great place.

• 30:01Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, the world isn't, but you can make it a great place in your situation, in your mindset. Cause I always say the, the happiness come from a mindset. It comes from a state of mind. I feel abundant. I feel happy. I feel rich. And somebody said to me, um, the other day I was at a party, a friend's party. There was another person I met. And he goes, you should have played soccer. You'd have been super rich. That's what he said to me. Didn't know I play soccer. And I said, actually I am rich. I said that to him and he looked at me. I was like, it's not the rich that you're thinking though. I'm not talking about material at all. I don't care about those. I feel so rich because of how my life is. Like, look, I'm hanging out with awesome people. I have friends that I'm here with. I am rich because I'm just enjoying what I do. And I said, it's not what you think.

• 30:46Hellah Sidibe?

  And he's like, oh, so you're not talking about money? I was like, no, no, no. I said, that can only make you so happy to a certain point. Cause you're always gonna want more. You're gonna always wanna try to figure out the next thing. So you can be happy within your own state of mind, creating moments and stuff. But also it doesn't neglect the fact that you can also see what's going on in the world. And to see, to see that what it is and to see what you can do with your best effort to make it better one at a time. Like for us, for example, we can't change everything in the world. My, my way of giving back to the world is eating, eating, not eating meat. So to me, being vegan, being plant-based is catered into a different way. So if we all do a little bit by a little bit, it comes together as a collective big power. Then the world could be this beautiful place we imagine it to be.

• 31:26Rich Roll?

  If you want the world to be a compassionate place, you have to act with compassion.

• 31:32Hellah Sidibe?

  Compassion, a hundred percent.

• 31:33Rich Roll?

  You're an incredibly charismatic person. Uh, your energy is infectious. Uh, you're beloved. People wanna be in your orbit because of your energy. Like when you see it, you're like, oh, like if you can comport yourself this way, uh, the abundance is a consequence of like this mindset, like the way that you walk the earth. Make, you, you draw people towards you and then that creates opportunities. Like people wanna do stuff with you. But for the person who struggles with this, who has a negative affect or is like, well, nothing ever works out. Or like, why even try? Like you can say to that person, well, you need to shift your mindset or you need to this and that. Like, how do you, like, what is, like, how do you, like, reprogram that person?

• 32:17Rich Roll?

  Or how do you speak to that person to try to reconfigure that like default setting in their brain? That they're not capable or that, you know, those good things only happen to other people.

• 32:31Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, I love that you said that, Rich. I always say, I said to, to Lex when I went to your podcast. I said, Rich will is so good at interviewing. He's so good at asking questions. Cause you were posing some question to me where I've had my typical podcast and interviews where it's like, you're a run trigger, this and that, but you made me open up in ways where I was like, this is really cool. No one really asked me these things. And then you did it again over here. So I just wanna highlight that.

• 32:57Rich Roll?

  Yeah. You're just buying time while you're trying to figure out how to answer this question.

• 33:00Hellah Sidibe?

  No, but not have the answer. So I'm gonna answer this question, but I'm gonna start with this area. So I got the Porsche nine eleven and in, in my caption, when I posted, I didn't even-

• 33:10Rich Roll?

  You could have told that guy too, like the guy who you said I'm rich, like I'm not rich because of this, but I do have a nine eleven.

• 33:16Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. And I thought about, do I even wanna post it on social media? But I wanted to post it to show people what's possible. And even in the caption, I said, happiness doesn't come from material. It's who you get to spend it with. So I put this on my TikTok. I had two people who, who had different perspective in life. One of them said was, oh man, you're just gonna rub this on our face. And while I'm struggling-

• 33:41Rich Roll?

  Reason to resent you.

• 33:42Hellah Sidibe?

  And then someone said, the future is bright. And then I love that because he saw it in a way where, he said, my future is bright. He saw it in a way where like I want to can have something that I want. Whether it's a nine eleven or I don't know what he's thinking about, but the fact that he said, my future is bright. I commented, I was like, yeah. So the other person was like, you're just trying to rub this on people's face. And I commented kindly because I'm trying to not, I don't wanna come off because he said something, cause I don't agree with you. Can disagree with people and still be respectful. So I said, where I grew up, where I come from, I didn't think this was a possibility. Until I came to a world where you get opportunities. I love the U S because it gave me so many opportunities. And I said, because when I saw that it's possible, I didn't know how I was gonna do it. I just knew it's possible.

• 34:25Hellah Sidibe?

  And I just kept doing what I love and it became possible. So those are the two things. People seeing stuff from a different light. So to your question, how people can find this way to see how they can be somebody or be hopeful and get the things that they want. I think it comes down to just self-realization and just talking to yourself and see how far you've come. So, you know, we've all had challenges in our life. I feel like all of us in this room, we can name moments, or if not, at least one moment where things were tough in life and you didn't even know how you're gonna survive it. And we're sitting here today. So you have to remind yourself, you know what? I survived this battle in life. So I made that happen. So there is a possibility where I can, uh, come up to be something, not saying I'm nobody, I'm nothing.

• 35:08Hellah Sidibe?

  I can't make this thing happen. So it made me think about the car. It's all about the mindset. So me giving advice to somebody that's thinking like that, I'm never gonna be somebody. I'm never gonna make it. I'm never gonna be this. And I said, you are correct. First of all, I'm gonna say that because you said it already. But if you change your mindset, you are gonna be somebody and you don't know how, you're just gonna keep working hard and keep your head down. And then hard work doesn't come to me as like, oh, how hard I work. It comes from passion. You know, sometime we do something where like, I'm working really hard. To me, hard work is passion. Cause if you're passionate about enough, you're gonna work hard. If you are super passionate about, you're passionate about this podcast, you work really hard. I'm passionate about running. I work really hard to make my running goals a reality. But if you don't have passion for it, hard work is only gonna last to a certain degree.

• 35:52Hellah Sidibe?

  And then it's just, you're gonna do enough just to get by, enough to just get to, to where you feel comfortable mentally. So everything always start in the head and it doesn't mean it's guaranteed. It's just like, I heard something from Steve Harvey's show. He was saying, if I do something today, this is paraphrasing it, there's a chance that it's gonna happen. But if I don't do anything, it's guaranteed that nothing is gonna happen. So to me, life is risky. When you do something, there's a risk factor that something could happen. If you don't do something, there's a risk that nothing is gonna happen. So I wanna pick the risk of possibilities versus not something happening. So I just live by that.

• 36:29Rich Roll?

  The person with the negative affect or the lack mindset will respond to what you just said by saying, well, that's all well and good, but like you're different from me. Like you're living a charmed life. Like it's easy for you. You don't understand how hard it is for me. It must be nice to have a career and a life where you wake up excited about what you do. But my relationship with work isn't like that. I hate my job and I'm in a cubicle and I don't really have any skills. And when I look around, I don't see a lot of opportunity and I'm just sort of resigned to have to, you know, kind of accept my life on the terms that have been given to me.

• 37:07Hellah Sidibe?

  I guess two things with that. First one, uh, I would say I grew up in West Africa, Mali. People make less than a dollar a day. Now it's about two dollars a day. I, the reason I came to the U S was because of tragedy. I was left with my mom's sister and she died. We were left homeless. Somehow we got to the U S by the grace of the universe or God, whatever you believe in, came to the U S. And then when soccer didn't work out, I was cutting grass, making $250 a week. And I actually, in fact, cutting that grass, the person who was writing me the check, you know, when you get a check written to you, you go deposit it. Back in the day, you'll get like certain amount of the check back until it clears, you get both. So whatever amount I was getting before it clears, I was using that. And then to be negative $900 because your check never cleared. So I owed the bank $900 and they actually shut my bank account.

• 37:52Hellah Sidibe?

  So I was in a, a area where I couldn't even open up a bank with Bank of America. I couldn't open a bank with TD. I was put in a file where like, cause I, I had a delinquency with the bank. So the only bank that would accept me at the time was PNC. And so naming all these things I'm saying, like if they're saying like, you love the life that you, you have this life is easy. You love this. I didn't start at that point. So I can only say, I started from where I had no option but to try the way to get up. And when I was doing those things, now I see that it worked. I didn't know it was gonna work. To be honest, I have no idea. Now that you see something happening, you can say, if you do this and that, but before that I had no idea. But second, I think it's good to talk to a professional therapist. I think mental health is very important. Speaking to someone who understands how our mind work and then let them know how you feel.

• 38:37Hellah Sidibe?

  And I think it should be normalized that we go talk to somebody with our mind. And I don't know how I was able to talk to myself. But I said to you in a previous conversation, I think I was depressed. I didn't know, but looking at it back now, I think I was depressed. Even though I'm not a medical professional, cause all those signs of depression were there. So maybe if I did talk to somebody, I would have gotten out of that rut quicker than I did. But it still happened because I eventually stopped pointing fingers and took responsibility. But there's so many ways we can start from the bottom. It doesn't mean we can be successful. And somebody who starts from the top doesn't mean they'll stay there. So there's a saying in my, in my language that says, be Messiah, sheen enjoying. Today's king is, could be tomorrow's peasant.

• 39:19Hellah Sidibe?

  And then be joining, sheen Messiah. Today's peasant could be tomorrow's king. So you just have to stay the course. You never know what'll happen in life.

• 39:26Rich Roll?

  And everything is impermanent.

• 39:28Hellah Sidibe?

  Mm-hmm. And none of this, exactly.

• 39:30Rich Roll?

  It's all Maya. It's all illusion.

• 39:33Hellah Sidibe?

  It is, it is. Like sometimes I sit there, I'm like, well, I'm enjoying this while I, while I can, because you're here today and then tomorrow you're gone.

• 39:41Rich Roll?

  Hmm. Yeah. Are you in therapy now?

• 39:43Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm in this field therapeutic because speaking your mind is important and I'm speaking how I feel. And I think that's important. One other thing I learned from Lex that's huge. She said to me one time and I never forget it. This is years ago. Your feeling is never wrong. The way you feel is never wrong. To somebody, it might look weird, but you're feeling it. It's never wrong. You can have somebody understand how you're feeling could could be like you understand in a way where like, oh, okay, maybe I shouldn't think of that way because I'm actually. But you can never say that somebody's feeling is wrong because that's something they're actually feeling. That's what it's called a feeling. So when I started thinking that to myself, your feeling is valid. It's okay. Attend to it and then find a way to move on. That has helped me.

• 40:26Hellah Sidibe?

  And one of the things that helped me with that was the book Four Agreements. Four Agreements is the best book and I have to go back and read it again because sometimes I forget.

• 40:35Rich Roll?

  That's your go to.

• 40:36Hellah Sidibe?

  It's my go to. Even my sister was telling me about it the other day. She's like, that changed my life because I made her read it. Cause we take so many things personal. We we we make assumptions. We're not we're impeccable. You gotta be impeccable with your words. And we're not always trying our best and your best is different every day. I said that. So.

• 40:52Rich Roll?

  Your feelings are never wrong. It's your body and your intuition trying to communicate something to you. Where we get in our own way is the story that we create around the feelings and then the actions that we take in response to those feelings.

• 41:06Hellah Sidibe?

  And I think it's important to see if somebody can call you out because so many time I go to Lex. Can you tell me if I'm crazy or if I'm wrong? Like if if I'm, am I thinking too much about this? And she'll tell me how she feels about it from her perspective, her lenses. And I'll be like, you know what? You're right. I'm done with this. Cause I need somebody to tell me because sometimes you just think you you you're good. You got it. You got it. But I need and I know I don't really got if I'm asking that question. I knew something about it is not a hundred percent true. Yeah, I already know, but I just needed her to tell me, am I crazy?

• 41:35Rich Roll?

  What are the what are the issues that come up in your relationship?

• 41:38Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 41:39Rich Roll?

  Where are the problems? The flashpoints?

• 41:41Hellah Sidibe?

  And in relationship?

• 41:42Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 41:42Hellah Sidibe?

  Like with with Lex and everything?

• 41:44Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Hellah Sidibe?

  I not, I'm trying to think like.

• 41:48Rich Roll?

  What would she say? What would she say?

• 41:50Hellah Sidibe?

  What she said about this whole thing?

• 41:51Rich Roll?

  What's her? What's her? What's her primary beef with you?

• 41:54Hellah Sidibe?

  Primary beef with me?

• 41:57Hellah Sidibe?

  I think I'm pretty, pretty perfect now.

• 42:00Rich Roll?

  This is the beef. This is probably the beef.

• 42:02Hellah Sidibe?

  No, what would she say?

• 42:03Rich Roll?

  This guy thinks he walks on water.

• 42:05Hellah Sidibe?

  No, to be the only thing she she knows when I don't have.

• 42:09Rich Roll?

  You can't be in a relationship with somebody for fourteen years without like there being stuff like relationships are hard.

• 42:15Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. And it's not perfect, but we communicate so well. You know, we communicate so well. If anything bothers me, I feel so confident and comfortable that I can speak about it. And it doesn't make me scared. Oh, what if I hurt her feelings, but she knows it's my feeling and vice versa. I think we communicate really well, but she taught me that, by the way. I think I didn't grow up with that because I didn't see my parents do that. I never did. I've never seen my parents. Like solve stuff in front of me and I've he I've heard both sides of the stories. But I have never seen them actually do that. So I don't, I didn't know that.

• 42:53Rich Roll?

  You didn't have a model for healthy communication.

• 42:55Hellah Sidibe?

  I didn't know that. And I saw my sister, we're changing or they call it generational curse. I said, we're changing everything. And it's a blessing that we learn it that way because we know what not to do now. I always said that. But one other thing that she always, whether it's around with her or anybody, she always say, speak how you feel and don't wait. Do not wait till days later. Cause that mean you're holding on to it and then you're you're blowing up not days later. If it happened in that moment, even if it's not exactly you. You kind of check out the scenario where, oh, maybe I can't say no, let me wait. Speak about it. And even me, she gave me a voice back in the day when I used to train people soccer. People used to ask me, Rich, and I was a little shy and I was a little, I felt a little embarrassed because I thought people didn't look at it as a career. Hey, Hella, what do you do for work?

• 43:39Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh, I coach here and there. I'm like a little calm and a little like scared or a little shy. Lex called me out one day. She goes, just on it. Just tell them what you do. Like be proud about it. And since that day happened, what do you do, Hella? I'm a coach. I coach kids. I love it. And I've used to play soccer and now I'm teaching kids and I make a living off of it. But she had to tell me that and I knew she was right because every time I'm like, I feel embarrassed to tell people. Cause what I was taught by the world was that's not a career. How is that a? It's not, it's nothing guaranteed because the only way I was guaranteed to be paid if that kid comes to train you, they don't. So they didn't see it as a career. You went to college for four years and this is what you're doing. So I had all that because of society that I was telling you about the world we live in, but she has taught me that. So.

• 44:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, sometimes you you can step on each other still, but it's nothing crazy, nothing like, oh, wait, it's so bad that you know.

• 44:32Rich Roll?

  So you're thirty five?

• 44:34Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 44:35Rich Roll?

  You have quite a presence on social media, TikTok, Instagram, always posting this positive content. Uh, and you are a very positive role model for all kinds of people.

• 44:49Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 44:50Rich Roll?

  But particularly young men and, you know, I think a lot about. The young man who is confused and is looking around and maybe doesn't see a lot of opportunity. And the vulnerability that that creates online that then funnels them towards some not so great. Influences out there like this whole manosphere sort of situation. Do you think about that at all? Because there's so much energy around the kind of grifter. Personalities out there who are taking advantage of these vulnerable young men. You're. Presenting an alternative, a positive alternative, and it's super powerful.

• 45:30Rich Roll?

  The algorithms tend to favor the negative and the controversial and the contrarian and the conspiracy addled, et cetera. Uh, so you're you're kind of swimming upstream against the current of culture. Uh, but what you're doing is important and it's impactful and it's meaningful and we need more people like you. Because there are a lot of people in need of your kind of influence.

• 45:57Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you. Yeah, I think it's it's a tough situation to be in. Uh, one of the things that I noticed right away was within the first year of my run, I had this young, he was twelve years old, DM me about that. He was having issue of wanting to be staying in this world. And I kind of panicked a little bit. I'm like, shoot, I gotta figure out how to help this kid. So we did some digging and found um his sister in law. And on social media and then they had no idea and then they communicated with him. So like since that day, I've been thinking about the youth, the people who are watching me. And I also let them know anything you see flashy on social media, take it with a grain of salt. Because it's a world that we're in where people.

• 46:38Rich Roll?

  The guy standing in front of the private plane.

• 46:40Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, people are selling stuff. And if you don't see it as a a source of motivation, leave it alone. If you see it, if it's putting you down, leave it alone. If it's motivating you, then that's great. Like, you know, I too, one day could be like that, whether that guy's doing it for real or they're just doing it for social media. You gotta come in in that way. Also, the people who are who don't know anything, they're they're vulnerable. Buy this package, buy this thing.

• 47:03Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and it's just getting people into the top of some funnel to sell them courses and a bunch of nonsense.

• 47:09Hellah Sidibe?

  And one of the reason I love, uh, if I work with a sponsor and they have to understand this, and I love hook up for that BP and also. That allows me to do this. If I'm working with you, you just let me live my life because my goal is not to sell a product to somebody. My goal is to share my job with someone. Hella, what's your favorite running shoes right now? Racing, C L X one three point O. Why do you love it? I tell you why I love it. Do you recommend it? Absolutely. But what kind of running shoes are you looking for? Oh, the C L one work for you. I think you should try this kind because the kind of way that you explained to me, my work, that's my only way. But I will never be like, hey, you need to get this because you know, I don't build trust between you and I. And then trying to sell something to you based on the trust. So I just sell to.

• 47:53Rich Roll?

  You don't have a transactional relationship.

• 47:54Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, mine is just sharing joy. So like you can, you can talk to the team or X R. I'm always telling, whenever we do something, I'm not trying to sell anything. I don't want to do any links or anything because then it doesn't seem right. It's not me. I feel awkward and you can even tell in my body language and I try to stay out of that a hundred percent of the time. So these young kids.

• 48:13Rich Roll?

  You're just modeling an aspirational life.

• 48:14Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, the these young people, when they see flashy stuff with me and I actually met somebody, do you know, you know, you you know Dylan Efron?

• 48:21Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 48:22Hellah Sidibe?

  So Dylan Efron is a friend of mine.

• 48:23Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 48:23Hellah Sidibe?

  We hang out last week in New York City and I met some younger kids. They're just graduating college and I was talking to them. And one other thing I made them realize, they keep asking me the the number one question, I'm not kidding you. Dylan, you're the man. How are you friends with Dylan? How did you guys become friends? Every time they come and talk to me. And one other thing I made them realize is that you see me, I'm a normal person because I'm not as, I'm not big or anything in my mind. So I'm regular to you, right? I I said this to this kid. His name is Ty. He's like, yeah, I said, think about everybody just like that. We're all human. We all have capability. Yes, we all have a level of what we're at in profession, but we're all human at the end of the day. You see this big person, this big CEO or this big celebrity or this big person, that could be you.

• 49:09Hellah Sidibe?

  They're human. If you sit down and talk to them, they're human like you. So don't feel inferior. Yeah, you can respect people. I respect levels. I know there's level to the sports that I do. I respect the elite level. I never, I respect the coaches just because I run every single day. I don't tell somebody, this is how you should run. I share with them, this is how I run. Maybe you can use that, but always remember you being that young person that you are somebody. It's just that we're in just different avenue, different lane of life right now. And you find your own road. And if you want to use us as an example, as a blueprint, go for it, but you'll find your way as you go. So I always let the younger generation uh know that, like you have to be okay with who you are. And don't think you're not enough because of what you don't have and. Show that you can actually have all of this because I didn't think I have all of this. I have it.

• 49:54Hellah Sidibe?

  You can have that and more. When somebody say, I want to be like you, I always say, I want you to be more than me. Cause I'm already happy with what I am. So it's not even a competition. I want you to win. I want you to. I want you to be bigger than me. I literally want you to be bigger than me because I I'm not gonna miss out on anything because I'm already enjoying what I have and what I do.

• 50:10Rich Roll?

  And you have an abundance mindset.

• 50:11Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 50:12Rich Roll?

  Like it's not a zero sum game.

• 50:13Hellah Sidibe?

  No, it's not. We can all win. I always tell people too, can we can all win in life. Sometimes I actually, I used to get so sad, Rich. I'm not an emotional guy. I used to get so sad. We're like, not crying, but like I'm so sad because. I'm looking at people. I'm like, I feel this happiness and I feel guilty. And I look at somebody and I'm just assuming sometime how they're looking. They look sad. They're sitting. I want them to be happy like I am. Like, how do I make that happen? I don't know how to make it happen. Cause I I feel like there's this happiness that we're not far away from, we can all get to, but I've discovered it and I need this person next to me to discover it. Cause when they do, nothing matters. It doesn't matter if if uh somebody come and just smack them in the face and walk by, they're just gonna look at them. You know what? I feel bad for you. Maybe you're crazy or something.

• 50:54Hellah Sidibe?

  I hope you get better. And I used to get sad about when I see people. I get sad when I see people sitting, they can't move physically. I still do. Uh, because I'm thinking that we can all have this joy. We can all have this win within our own right. And a win for me is doing what I love. A win for somebody, if it's like, I want to be a multimillionaire. If that's what makes you truly happy, like deep down, not because of money. You love that that hustle. I want that to be for you. Yeah.

• 51:20Rich Roll?

  Yeah, but most people who want that, that it's gonna answer all of life's questions.

• 51:24Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 51:25Rich Roll?

  And you have to go on that journey to realize that it won't.

• 51:28Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 51:29Rich Roll?

  But you're a deeply empathetic, sensitive person. I mean, you know, to feel that, to feel that pain and want something better.

• 51:36Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Rich Roll?

  For that person.

• 51:37Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 51:38Rich Roll?

  Is a beautiful, like it's a beautiful emotion to have.

• 51:41Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 51:41Rich Roll?

  You know?

• 51:42Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 51:43Rich Roll?

  And if you can unlock that for people.

• 51:45Hellah Sidibe?

  That'd be amazing.

• 51:46Rich Roll?

  What is the answer?

• 51:47Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 51:48Rich Roll?

  You know, that was really my question. Like, how do you help that person who's suffering see a different way and start to take contrary action to, you know, build a different life?

• 51:58Hellah Sidibe?

  Hanging out with people and then doing what they like doing. Cause what I noticed when I do, like, what is your favorite activity?

• 52:04Rich Roll?

  I mean, I have lots of different.

• 52:05Hellah Sidibe?

  If you have to pick one thing where you're like, I can do this all day, or I can do this every day.

• 52:10Rich Roll?

  Well, running, swimming, or like, like, physical movement.

• 52:12Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 52:12Rich Roll?

  Things. But there's also nothing better than being around your kids when they're, when they're happy and laughing. You know, like, there's different types of joyful experiences.

• 52:22Hellah Sidibe?

  Let's go to physical.

• 52:23Rich Roll?

  And doing what I'm doing right now.

• 52:24Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 52:24Rich Roll?

  Like, this is my happy place.

• 52:26Hellah Sidibe?

  So I wanna be, so if I know that, like, let's even just pick cycling, or swimming, or even running. And I know you enjoy that. And I see that you're really, or struggling a little bit. We know each other enough where I can see something is not right. Hey, Rich, you wanna go on a bike ride today? I would go cycling with you, cause I know that's what you like. And then now it makes it easier because you have somebody to go cycle with. So me helping with that is like, I wanna do the activity you enjoy doing. I already do the activity I enjoy, but let me go do your activity with you. Swimming, I wanna do, cause I can't swim.

• 52:57Rich Roll?

  No, we gotta go, we gotta go to the pool. I'm gonna give you a swim lesson.

• 53:00Hellah Sidibe?

  I'll go sit by the pool and say, hey, Rich, show me how to backstroke. But that's something that I would do. And I noticed like, certain things that I do now, that I see that people, that I'm getting into, that people really love, I reach out to them. So I'm in this car world, and then I, one of the reasons I met this guy, gentleman, he's the reason I got a good deal on my car, cause he advocated for me. He's a Porsche enthusiast. He has so many 911s in cars. And I realized that this guy, when he gets his car, he wants to share it with somebody. He picked up a brand new Porsche, literally less than a month when I got mine. And he wanted to come to my house right away. And I didn't wanna shut him down, say, come over, cause he knew that I appreciate, he wanted to share.

• 53:39Hellah Sidibe?

  When he showed up, he was so happy that he got to share that with someone. I was happy that I was able to let him come share his joy with me. So he feels some type of way about himself and his life, whether, whatever that may be, cause I can just tell he loved that. So he always, whenever something that he would call me, hey, hell, are you around? Cause I, I feel like I wanna be that friend to him. You know, so I think that for, to answer that question, I would go do something, an activity with someone, cause to me, it doesn't take much energy. I don't feel like, oh, I have to do this. I just feel like, I love being active anywhere. I love cars. I'll just go share your moment with you, because it doesn't hurt me, but it helps you. So I get joy out of that.

• 54:19Rich Roll?

  Autonomy wasn't something I was thinking much about when I recently got behind the wheel of a Rivian R2 with founder and CEO RJ Skorjic. But when RJ started talking about where Rivian is headed with it, I couldn't stop thinking about it after. What's your latest thinking on the short and long-term future of autonomous driving?

• 54:41Speaker 04

  I think short-term, it's gonna continue to get better. For us, we get to a place by the end of this year, where we'll do hands-off, point-to-point navigation. So meaning, you could plug the address in, say, tell it to go and it'll drive there on its own. Today, we have hands-off, what we call universal hands-free, where you can take your hands off, it can drive, but it essentially stays on the path it's on.

• 55:01Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  But the next step is integrate that into navigation. So it navigates through turns, obviously stoplights, stop signs, everything, and that's this year. And then next year, we get to that plus eyes-off. So we'll start with eyes-off on highways, so you can be completely removed.

• 55:19Rich Roll?

  It doesn't be, you know, put your hands back.

• 55:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can do whatever you like. Yeah, you can do whatever you'd like.

• 55:24Rich Roll?

  The autonomy and assisted driving features on the R2 today, and the ones on the horizon are just part of what makes it such a compelling vehicle. You can learn all about the Rivian R2, watch the rest of our conversation, and even book a demo drive at stories.rivian.com/richroll.

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• 57:14Rich Roll?

  When we first spoke, you talked a lot about some goals that you had set for yourself. You have achieved most of those goals.

• 57:21Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 57:21Rich Roll?

  You've run Western States, you've run the Havalina, you've run Leadville 100. Do you think about goals? Do you have goals now?

• 57:29Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 57:29Rich Roll?

  What are you looking forward to? What do you wanna achieve? Where are you taking all of this?

• 57:33Hellah Sidibe?

  I love goals, and I love achieving the goals. And I am currently working on a goal, and I wanna run, I'm going to run, not want to. I'm going to run two hour 45 minutes at the 2026 Chicago Marathon. So that's what I'm training for.

• 57:48Rich Roll?

  Your current PR is?

• 57:49Hellah Sidibe?

  255. So we're taking 10 minutes off.

• 57:51Rich Roll?

  10-minute drop.

• 57:52Hellah Sidibe?

  But you know, the thing is, Rich, that 255 was supposed to be a 245 for me. Something didn't click, and I think I'm gonna figure it out. Cause I was, I was, I was fitter. Most people thought I could run a 240 that race. I either went into the race with too much miles on my leg, close to 40 miles, or something didn't work out. Maybe I needed to incorporate a little bit of hill, even though it was a flatter race. So I'm trying to figure that out. So a coach is helping me with that. But that's one of my goals right now, and I haven't raced a marathon in two years. So I'm very hungry and very motivated and so excited. And I'm changing everything. I'm cycling, I love cycling. I'm cycling so much more. Cycling is part of the prep. I have to cycle. Like, I cycle twice a week, sometimes three times in the prep.

• 58:34Hellah Sidibe?

  So I have to cycle, I have to cycle on, on Wednesday, I have to cycle on Sunday. It's a must, a one-hour spin. And my coach will tell me how crazy to go with, with the cycling.

• 58:44Rich Roll?

  Who's your coach?

• 58:45Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh, his name is Mario.

• 58:46Rich Roll?

  Oh, Mario Frayle.

• 58:47Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, you know Mario?

• 58:48Rich Roll?

  No, I know Mario.

• 58:49Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, sweet.

• 58:49Rich Roll?

  His name came up, who are we talking, oh, we had Malcolm Gladwell here the other day. Chris, was it Chris Chavez? I think, yeah, I think Chris Chavez like brought him up as his coach too.

• 58:58Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, yeah, Mario, and I just started working with him. And I've been on his podcast 2022. So I didn't know. So this is the funny thing. I'm at Western State, I'm shopping for coaches, looking for coaches. And I'm speaking to, I talked to Tim Tolson, and I talked to a hookup engineer, and they both mentioned Mario. I'm like, I need this Mario's number. Didn't put two and two together, that I knew who he was.

• 59:20Rich Roll?

  You had done on the show.

• 59:22Hellah Sidibe?

  And then they're like, it's Vincent, Vincent, who won the Western, Western State 100 race coach. I was like, I want Vincent's coach. And Vincent broke Jim Wombley's record, 13 hour 46, and I need a coach that's helping that. Maybe I'll be a Vincent on the marathon course. So to find out was Mario. And I was like, oh my gosh, small world. So we talked, and we have the prep going on, so we're full weekend. So that's one of the goal I'm working on, and he believed I can do it. I believe I can do it. So I'm excited and hungry to be back at the marathon, cause it's been too long.

• 59:50Rich Roll?

  I know you have some other exciting things that are cooking right now that you can't talk about.

• 59:54Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, we'll tease it. It's gonna be something that no one's ever seen.

• 59:57Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Hellah Sidibe?

  And I'm super excited about it.

• 59:59Rich Roll?

  Very cool.

• 59:59Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, once it's ready.

• 1:00:00Rich Roll?

  I wanna talk about it so badly.

• 1:00:01Hellah Sidibe?

  I have, should we do a trifecta, a third, once that gets through?

• 1:00:05Rich Roll?

  Dude, you're mint. You can come on whenever you want.

• 1:00:08Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 1:00:08Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 1:00:09Rich Roll?

  We could, I could podcast with you weekly.

• 1:00:11Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, let's do it.

• 1:00:14Rich Roll?

  That's exciting.

• 1:00:15Hellah Sidibe?

  Super excited about it.

• 1:00:16Rich Roll?

  A fast marathon.

• 1:00:18Hellah Sidibe?

  Uh huh.

• 1:00:18Rich Roll?

  What do you think is the biggest thing that people misunderstand about you and this run streak and what you're doing?

• 1:00:27Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, you don't ever get sick or injured. Every time I post like a run streak, like, uh, five years, 10, nine years, or for 3,000 something days, the comment will be like, so you never get injured or sick? I'm like, I'm not Bionic Man or Robocop. I do get injured, and I rarely do get sick. And one of the biggest things that happened to me when I get sick is like, my headache will be pressure. But as soon as I feel pressure anywhere, I go running, the pressure literally release. So I use running as a medicine to get rid of headache. And I've talked to my doctor about it. She's like, maybe you're just getting the blood circulating, you're getting rid of the pressure by moving your body. The body works in beautiful way. So the injured part, I do get injured. Am I smart about the injury? 100%.

• 1:01:10Hellah Sidibe?

  So don't do what I do. I don't recommend anybody running every single day. It is possible. But I get injured and I minimize it as much as possible, cause it's just bound to happen. You're pounding your body every single day. And it, sometimes it doesn't have to be like, you step on the wrong rock, and you tweak something a little bit. So I just make sure I'm on top of it right away. I back off, like I was saying earlier, recovery, PT. So people think that I never get injured or sick, because I run every single day.

• 1:01:36Rich Roll?

  You've also become. A running correspondent of sorts, like you were doing the the Western States.

• 1:01:43Hellah Sidibe?

  I love that. It's so fun.

• 1:01:45Rich Roll?

  So you're you're you're kind of a commentator at large, like that's a different role also.

• 1:01:52Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, that's so fun because you know, I love the sports so much. I love talking about all the participant in the sports and I love highlighting them. And I think that's really important to see what they're doing. And we we tend to see podium finishes, but it's cool to know a little background of these athletes as they're racing. And you know, when you love, you love intervening, talking to people, you can talk all day. I love being in this sport. I can talk about the sports all day. I can talk about running all day, shoes all day, cars and bikes. I mean, getting into bikes, which is really dangerous, crazy.

• 1:02:23Rich Roll?

  I can go, I can go there with you. And I've I bang this drum all the time, but I think more runners should do more cycling. I think cycling is an incredible

• 1:02:34Rich Roll?

  tool to develop your aerobic capacity without the pounding, you know, like you can go out and ride your bike for hours and hours and hours. Like you can't run as much as you can ride and you can be in that zone two state and and build that engine over time without exhausting yourself and setting yourself up for injury and also strengthening the stability muscles that make you more injury resistant as a runner.

• 1:02:59Hellah Sidibe?

  Glutes, I feel my glutes activated, getting used. And Lex always laugh at me. I would do something to time like, oh, my God, I feel, I feel the difference. I'm already fit. Cycling for this week, I feel like I feel the difference in endurance.

• 1:03:10Rich Roll?

  You don't have to run as much.

• 1:03:12Hellah Sidibe?

  No, and you can go eat. Rich, people forget about the social side. I rode with my friend 50 miles one day. We stopped at a coffee shop. 25 miles in, got these vegan delicious muffins and I stuffed myself with it and drank coffee and we hop on the bike again for another 25, nothing. I said, running, there's no, I could do that. So the social part, I was getting a good working. We were averaging like 16 miles per hour. That was work on me because I don't cycle. I really felt that. But I was able to do that while enjoying the social aspect and while enjoying the food. And I still got a good work because my legs were shot the next day.

• 1:03:44Rich Roll?

  Do you do 9W? Like where do you ride in Jersey?

• 1:03:47Hellah Sidibe?

  So we've gotten, we parked at Fort Lee, rode across the George Washington Bridge and then stay on the Hudson and then went up towards Yonkers. And you can, this little path can go all the way to Canada, I heard, if you want to. Also have a local park where I live.

• 1:04:00Rich Roll?

  Everybody in Manhattan is crossing the bridge to go to Jersey to ride and you're coming the other way.

• 1:04:05Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I've done that. And then also I have a beautiful park in my neighborhood that's 18 mile long. You can get in with water stop and bathroom, which is pretty fun, but it just gets crowded in the weekend with people.

• 1:04:16Rich Roll?

  So I know when you started the run streak, every year had a sort of theme. The first year, it was self-discovery. The second year, because you were injured, it was about mental toughness. Going into your third year, it was about joy. Have you labeled each year with a different theme that you've tried to live up to? What are the themes in those subsequent years and what is the theme for this 10th year?

• 1:04:44Hellah Sidibe?

  So every year had to have a theme because as I'm going through it, you already live, you already, the first year, it was joy. I'm like, I mean, I'm self-discovery. I'm like discovering myself. I'm like, this is happening. This is cool. But then again, now you know what's gonna happen. So the next one being mental toughness, I'm getting injured now because I'm pushing a lot more. And I know exactly what to expect. That high that was coming in is not so new anymore. And then the year of joy, and I had to go back and bring that feeling back from the first year, working on it purposefully and not caring about the distance anymore, not caring about if I hit seven miles in a day, I can just go run three miles and be fine. So keep going on. And I had

• 1:05:25Hellah Sidibe?

  even racing theme, I had the renaissance year. So the renaissance year was rebirth for me. So a rebirth is coming as another person, as another runner. This is why I wanted to run so much faster because I didn't care about racing much. But now I want to see how fast I can really go. And I didn't want to use run streak as an excuse because you can technically on paper say, hell, if you take a couple of days off and allow your body to heal with your cardiovascular, you will be a fast runner. But that's not a priority to me. But I want to use running every single day. This is why you're going to be a fast runner versus have the other way. Because I could easily have an excuse why you didn't hit the 245. So that was the renaissance year. I wanted to rebirth myself. And then now the the 10th year is going to be literally like

• 1:06:07Hellah Sidibe?

  the glory, the glory meeting, like almost like I want to put it where everybody come together. I got to find the right word for it, like a community thing was, it's all about the people, the people year, because the people got me to where I'm at. So this is the year of the people. So the year of the people, yeah, we're celebrating my 10th year, but it's all of us coming together as a community because you guys been part of the hella good family, the hella good community. And it's not only me that have done it. You know, Nathan from the team.

• 1:06:32Rich Roll?

  Sure.

• 1:06:32Hellah Sidibe?

  So Nathan was at my house on Monday. And one other thing I said to Nathan right away because he's so smart, he makes me understand stuff in a way. I said, Nathan, it's crazy when people always said to me, and I said this to Lex, I said it to many people, oh, I did it on my own. I said, how far on your own, did you do it on your own? Yeah, you have to take action. You have to move. But if you look at the bigger picture, there are so many people that have come to help me. If it wasn't for Lex, there was no hella good because she told me we need to put videos out. And she edits videos, she do everything to this day.

• 1:07:01Rich Roll?

  She's still doing all of that?

• 1:07:03Hellah Sidibe?

  Rich, I don't know how to edit a YouTube video. I don't. And I tried so hard. I do my Instagram stories, 100%. The feed, TikTok, YouTube, 100% has been here since day one. And then I said, without you, Nathan, you help me with certain things without the team or so, without my my sponsors, there's no, like, it's a, it's a village thing. We always say it's a village thing in in my country. It's literally a village thing. So I want this year tend to be like, it's about the people. I got to find the right word for it, but we have a few months still till we get into that.

• 1:07:35Rich Roll?

  You have great partners. You've worked with Hoka for a number of years. You've done some stuff with Apple. You've been with BPN. The hybrid athlete grows.

• 1:07:44Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm not so.

• 1:07:45Rich Roll?

  Have you been to the ranch? Like, what's, that's a whole scene.

• 1:07:48Hellah Sidibe?

  I haven't been to the ranch, but I was.

• 1:07:50Rich Roll?

  How come you like, I see those video, you know, like those guys, Dan Churchill, Max Joloff.

• 1:07:55Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I might have to host, because I did talk to Nick about going to the ranch to do like a a training camp for my marathon prep. And they said you can do that. So I might have to actually set that up.

• 1:08:05Rich Roll?

  And you haven't done a backyard race.

• 1:08:07Hellah Sidibe?

  No, I haven't. And I I want to, Nick, because I said, huh, if you sign up 2027, I'm there, but I need you to sign up. I said that to his face. Because I said.

• 1:08:16Rich Roll?

  Oh, for Nick to sign?

• 1:08:16Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I said, I don't want you to just be sitting there. You need to feel what everybody's feeling. I'll sign up if you do. But I did get the answer. If you are the race owner by the backyard rule, you cannot participate. So that one he can't do. Yeah. So, but the backyard, it it doesn't interest me, but I also want to do it and just to say, I know I could do it. That's ego speaking. Because I know the thing about the backyard, I've done 100 mile race. I can get to 100 mile easy in my head. I think I can. And I get to sit down for a few minutes. And I know it gets harder as you go because like you sit down and you go, it gets harder and harder, you go slower. But anyone that has done 100 miles, I think this is from the hellist perspective.

• 1:08:56Hellah Sidibe?

  You know what that feels like on the body and that's continuous. There's no sitting. And if you sit there for a minute or two, just to change something and go. The first few lap, the first 15 mile, you're probably sitting, you're getting yourself 15 to 20 minutes.

• 1:09:08Rich Roll?

  Yeah, but if you're sitting into Harvey Lewis territory, you're looking at 300, 350 miles.

• 1:09:13Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh, no, I'm not getting into that territory. I think me, if I do this, my goal to be, was to get to 150 miles, 150. That's it. Harvey Lewis is another level. I wouldn't even name myself in that breath. He's insane. Harvey is insane.

• 1:09:26Rich Roll?

  Speaking of another vegan runner, do do people give you grief around the vegan stuff?

• 1:09:33Hellah Sidibe?

  No, you know, the thing is, I actually vegan, you know, I never talk about veganism on my social media like that. But if you ask my dad, I go into it. But some of the things that people love to say about vegan, your protein, I'm sure you had that conversation. Where do you get your protein? Where do you get your protein? And I said, if I had protein issue, the fact that I run across America.

• 1:09:53Rich Roll?

  Every single day for 10 years.

• 1:09:54Hellah Sidibe?

  I would have been done.

• 1:09:55Rich Roll?

  America and done that bill and done all of these.

• 1:09:57Hellah Sidibe?

  And I started teaching them about photosynthesis, you know, you know how photosynthesis work. And I said, you know how like animals eating plants and how they get their protein. And they're like, oh, okay, I didn't know all of that. So they think that because I'm not eating meat, I'm deficient.

• 1:10:10Rich Roll?

  Still working for you.

• 1:10:11Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. And I still do blood tests. I'm always making sure.

• 1:10:14Rich Roll?

  You must be the only vegan on the BPN.

• 1:10:17Hellah Sidibe?

  100%.

• 1:10:18Rich Roll?

  Nick Bear team.

• 1:10:20Hellah Sidibe?

  And I told Nick Bear, you got to hold on to that vegan protein. And I think, I won't say I'm the reason, I'm definitely one of the reason where that protein started. Because when I first met him back in 2021, and then the company was still on the come up. It's not where it is today. We talked about it. I said, there's nothing really for me to want to use from the brand. And they didn't really have, they had electrolytes, but they didn't have gels. I'm a runner. We need protein. So when that started coming around, I was actually buying the product myself because I liked it. So when they asked me to be an athlete with them, that was easy for me to decide because I like the product. So the fact that they have vegan protein, they have the electrolytes and stuff, that's really nice.

• 1:10:59Hellah Sidibe?

  I said, Nick, would you ever go plant-based, go vegan? He said, you know what? I would love to eat the vegan food, but I don't think I can do it. I said, he's like, I'll come to you. You take me to your favorite restaurant, I would be down to eat it. So that's what I used to say too, a decade ago, but look where we at right now.

• 1:11:13Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Well, if you could get Nick Bear to dip his toe into the plant-based lifestyle, like that, that's no small feat.

• 1:11:20Hellah Sidibe?

  That'd be a nice challenge to try.

• 1:11:22Rich Roll?

  There you go. Do it for the view.

• 1:11:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. I'm gonna try, try to get him. Yeah.

• 1:11:27Rich Roll?

  Is there a brand out there, like what's the brand you're not working with right now that you were like, oh, that's my dream brand to work with these guys?

• 1:11:36Hellah Sidibe?

  There's two brands. One of them you already work with, Rivian.

• 1:11:40Rich Roll?

  There you go.

• 1:11:40Hellah Sidibe?

  And the reason Rivian, I'll tell you the whole background. I knew Rivian before Rivian became popular by the general public. You have to be a car enthusiast to know what Rivian was. The history, Jonathan told me more about the history because years ago. Four year, five years ago, I went to Jonathan's house to, I drove his Rivian.

• 1:12:00Rich Roll?

  Jonathan is our manager for people.

• 1:12:01Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes, pickup truck, the Rivian, he let me drive it. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is insane. So when Rivian came out, all the auto, the car enthusiasts, like auto, um, news people, they were just doing the reviews. And I'm watching this, I'm like, this is interesting. This is something we've never seen. And I thought it was really cool. So I got into digging into the car and I learned about the history and I learned about what it's about. And I'm like, this would be a really cool car to have. And I knew they were one of the first people to even have their own network in terms of charging. It started, the first one was in Colorado. They put the first charging. It wasn't Electrify America. It wasn't like the other, uh, chargers. It wasn't ChargePoint. They started their own and I was wishing Ford started their own, but we have to land a third party. I do have an EV. It's not a Rivian. It's Lexus car. Uh, it's the Ford Mikey.

• 1:12:43Hellah Sidibe?

  But I've been so interested in the Rivian because EV, once you drive an EV, you can never go back. Once you drive a Rivian and the practicality because of the pickup truck and, and I saw they came up with a little smaller one. I saw.

• 1:12:55Rich Roll?

  The R two.

• 1:12:55Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, the R two. It looks really cool.

• 1:12:57Rich Roll?

  Right now.

• 1:12:58Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:58Rich Roll?

  Uh, and it's fully dialed.

• 1:13:00Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:00Rich Roll?

  It's like the evolution. I mean, it's a little bit smaller than the R one, but it feels like a more mature product. Like they've worked out whatever kinks and like everything is super tight and it drives amazing. It's super fast. You don't feel like you're in a truck. Uh, it's a unique experience. And RJ is just one of the most impressive people I've ever met. And the obstacles that he has had to overcome to realize this vision and to see, you know, how this brand is being embraced by people. And he's just got this premium product. That's a wonderful, you know, it's just, it's just wonderful. And, uh, and he's just one of those guys that you want to win, you know?

• 1:13:38Hellah Sidibe?

  Absolutely.

• 1:13:38Rich Roll?

  And the experience of driving this car is incredible. Like, yeah, you should, you should, you, you, you, you should be working with Rivian.

• 1:13:44Hellah Sidibe?

  That'd be sick. And if not.

• 1:13:46Rich Roll?

  You need a car. I mean, being a car guy.

• 1:13:48Hellah Sidibe?

  I, and I.

• 1:13:49Rich Roll?

  Either that or like you need to, you need a Porsche sponsorship.

• 1:13:54Hellah Sidibe?

  I was gonna say.

• 1:13:54Rich Roll?

  You need to train for Le Mans and you and Michael Fassbender.

• 1:13:58Hellah Sidibe?

  Porsche or, or Rivian EV. I had, I love my Porsche. Porsche would be also sick, but also I need an EV. I know Porsche is also making EVs, but I have the nine eleven. If I have Rivian as an EV, that'd be pretty cool. And I think the thing about, you know, we see ourselves, I trail run. I don't run as much as that than I have on the road. But how cool it is, we're talking about like being environmental friendly, you know, we don't have to go all into the detail, but bring a zero emission car onto the trail. Park it. You have enough range. You pop the trunk. You take your trail shoes out. You take your mountain bike out. You go on a ride, you cruise, you come back and you have that car sitting there. That's not, you don't have to worry. You can have it on while you're taking a nap in there. You don't have to worry about exhaust, none of that.

• 1:14:39Hellah Sidibe?

  I think that's pretty cool. And we talk about having preserving nature. So if you like being in nature and you need to get up to nature, having something that's zero emission in terms of letting go of CO2 exhaust, I think the best way to go is EV. It really is.

• 1:14:54Rich Roll?

  All right. Well, let's, let's end this with a few inspirational words for the person who is still struggling. The person who's on the couch is hearing you or watching you and is thinking, I'd like a little bit of that energy. I just don't, I don't know what to do first. How do I interrupt this pattern that I'm in? How do I get out of my negative, uh, cycling thoughts, my inner monologue that's defeating me? While I sit here and eat Cheetos and watch you on YouTube.

• 1:15:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Okay. So if you watch stuff, even reading books, if you don't take action, it's just like a, a movie to me. You're just watching to be entertained and you put it away. So the first thing I would say is it's the simplest thing we hear about it all the time. Gratitude. You know, you're eating Cheeto. Oh man, I'm so happy and grateful that I'm sitting on a couch actually. Cause I have a couch to sit on. I'm so happy and grateful that I actually, even though it may not be my favorite food. If I, if I have to eat Cheeto to survive, I'm so happy and grateful that I have a Cheeto. So even my thing is when I see, I love doing dishes. It's my favorite thing to do. It's a sport to me. I compete doing dishes. I look at the time at the stove when I'm, but when I see a sink full, my mindset is, man, how lucky are you to, to be able to eat so much food that your sink is full?

• 1:16:08Hellah Sidibe?

  So coming from a place of gratitude, if that person's sitting in there right now, just trying to revive yourself, like, you know what? Things are really bad right now, but there's little lights at the end of the tunnel. Some of the little lights is I have a roof over my head. Or if you sadly don't have a roof over my head, cause homelessness is a thing. Uh, I'm happy and grateful that I can have a friend to talk to or somebody who's next to you on the street. And then now you make little steps and you're going to get to a point where you need a professional because we all need pros. Even the reason I have a, a, a running coach, it's not that I can't do it, but I need somebody to take me to that level. So you're going to get to a point where you need somebody, but before you get to that level, you gotta pick yourself up a little bit. Picking yourself up is, um, self-talk, um, self-motivation. It's really hard. It's easier said than done.

• 1:16:52Hellah Sidibe?

  But once you start talking to yourself, you, you start believing, cause I, I, reading books, I believe our brains are, brain believe anything you tell it. You really can trick your brain. When you start telling your brain, I'm good enough. I do this. Eventually you're going to see yourself trying to do stuff to prove to yourself that you were right about it. And you make the efforts to show that you are right about, cause you're tricking yourself. I do it all the time. It almost work a hundred percent. Unless if I get into my conscious, like, oh, you're just trying to trick yourself right now. But when I let go of that, I can trick myself to believe things. So self-talk gratitude to get yourself going and you're going to have to get to a point professionally. I tell people to reach out to me. I hope I can see your DM and answer. And if I can't do it, I'm not a pro. I'll, I'll say, go see a professional.

• 1:17:33Hellah Sidibe?

  Somebody asked me, this hurt on my body. Oh, I've experienced that. This is what I do, but you should go see a physical therapist also. Because there's people who are in line with that. Oh, you don't have access to a physical therapist? Let me see if I can talk to my physical therapist, if he can give me some advice and I can give it to you. I've done that so many times. If you can't afford a physical therapist, I'll go talk to my physical therapist for you and your issue. And then they can tell me something that I can bring to you.

• 1:17:55Rich Roll?

  You're the best, man.

• 1:17:56Hellah Sidibe?

  I, I, I mean, I think we're all great, but we're all just trying. I think we're all trying. I think that's what's important. We have to realize that when you see somebody in the street, they're trying too. You may not see it, but they're trying. You just have to remember that you're trying, they're trying, we're all trying.

• 1:18:10Rich Roll?

  Everybody's just trying.

• 1:18:11Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. And if you have something, nothing nice to say, just walk away. You just gotta walk away. That's the best solution. And you, you will be happy. You walk away. I, it just made me remember one thing that I have to say. I've had a situation where I, I come to a stoplight. This is before the Ford agreement and after the Ford agreements. Where like somebody's standing at the light or you get caught off and I just hit the hunk. Like I'll be like, what are you doing? You're about to hit me. Cause you, you're scared. You're gonna get hit. And then I feel really bad after it. I'll look at like something like, I feel bad. I don't know why I did that. It's so embarrassing. I'm like, I feel really bad. I just did that to that person. Cause I come to my senses. And then next time Lex will be like, okay, before you react, remember how you're going to feel after. So that's when I say, you have nothing nice to say, walk away, because I know how I'm going to feel after. I'm going to feel bad.

• 1:18:56Hellah Sidibe?

  Especially like somebody's at the light and then I try to do the baby hunk to let them know it's green. Would I be like, you're trying to, sometime you overhit it. Cause the baby hunk, you're not giving enough pressure. You end up over hitting the hunk.

• 1:19:06Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:19:06Hellah Sidibe?

  So, and then you see, you get to the light, it's an old lady. You're like, oh my gosh, why'd you do that to her? Why did you honk? So I always say, don't act because you're going to regret it. So that's why I say you have nothing nice to do or say, just go, just go about your, your day.

• 1:19:22Rich Roll?

  It's a good policy.

• 1:19:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Rich Roll?

  You keep mentioning the four agreements. Like what is your media diet? Like what are the books that you return to? What are the things that you consume? What kind of information?

• 1:19:32Hellah Sidibe?

  Rich, I love that. I love, you're asking those questions. Okay. The four agreement. Okay. By, uh, Don Miguel Ruiz.

• 1:19:39Rich Roll?

  Yes.

• 1:19:39Hellah Sidibe?

  Um, you are the placebo, Joe Dispenza, you are the placebo. And you, I learned about the history of the placebo, how the sugar pill happened. And you are the placebo. That's why I always say the mind, you can trick yourself of believing what you want to see. Uh, you are the placebo. And then also, uh,

• 1:19:59Hellah Sidibe?

  I think I'm trying to, this is a tough one. Um, is it you, you were born, you were born rich? Maybe it might've been that one. Uh, I think it's a Napoleon. Is it Napoleon Hill?

• 1:20:10Rich Roll?

  Napoleon, one of those old Napoleon Hill books.

• 1:20:13Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. Or Think and Grow Rich is also a good one. Think and Grow Rich. Sometime when people hear the word rich, it scares them. I see richness, not material, not money. I just see richness of peace of mind and happiness. Because when you read these books, it kind of shows you, everything starts about having good energy. You don't have good energy. You're going to find things that makes you feel the way you're thinking. Uh, if you have negative thought, you're going to find things that's going to en- enforce that. Cause you, you look, you find what you're looking for. So these books allowed me to change. I like self-help books. I love those books. The secret. Have you heard of that? The secret is so great. I read all the secret, secret love. The secret, uh.

• 1:20:55Rich Roll?

  You're a manifestor.

• 1:20:55Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I'm a big manifestor.

• 1:20:57Rich Roll?

  Big manifestor.

• 1:20:57Hellah Sidibe?

  I'm a big manifestor.

• 1:20:58Rich Roll?

  I'm too cynical.

• 1:21:00Hellah Sidibe?

  Why? I want to elaborate on that. Actually, I'll, I'll interview you. Elaborate real quick.

• 1:21:04Rich Roll?

  You know, like we'll go down like a, you know, like we'll take some weird, uh, you know, kind of, uh, trajectory down a dark alley. But like all of my like spidey senses kind of get alerted, uh, when we, when we start to tiptoe too close to some of the more.

• 1:21:20Hellah Sidibe?

  Oh.

• 1:21:21Rich Roll?

  Like mystical self-help.

• 1:21:23Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, I see, I see, I see. I understand that.

• 1:21:25Rich Roll?

  Like the idea, the reductive idea that, uh, all you have to do is like, you know, manifest your dreams and they happen.

• 1:21:31Hellah Sidibe?

  No, it's not all that. It's more than just that. Yeah. It's not just that. I, I guess that's the way of putting myself in a positive mindset. That it can be good. So that's a good way to, to put it. Like it can be good. You can change your mind and change your life. Cause if you don't take action, nothing's going to change. You know, you're not just sitting there and be like.

• 1:21:51Rich Roll?

  Sure.

• 1:21:51Hellah Sidibe?

  Like, or what is it? Wizard of Oz, click your heel three times and then wish something happened. But I guess putting you in an area where your mind is not at fight or flight, like mode all the time. Like, okay, something's stress, stress level, stress level, thinking like, you know what? It could be good. I saw something about, um, uh, Alexis Pappy.

• 1:22:10Rich Roll?

  Alex, oh, Alexi Pappy.

• 1:22:12Hellah Sidibe?

  Alexi Pappy, yeah. Alexi Pappy. And this was years ago. She goes, you know what? When I'm having a bad day, I go take a nap and get up. And it's a brand new day. And I'm like, oh, good morning. She posted this. I'm like, this is genius. This is genius. And I want to give her credit. She's part of the, on the podcast group.

• 1:22:29Rich Roll?

  She's got a million of these, you know, like little things like that. Yeah. No, she's in the family.

• 1:22:33Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah. Yeah. So I had to, I'm giving her a shout out for this.

• 1:22:36Rich Roll?

  You guys, have you ever met her?

• 1:22:38Hellah Sidibe?

  I met her multiple, multiple times, especially we've seen each other on race course. She's guiding, I'm guiding. We'll say hello to each other. But she said this, when I'm having a bad day, I just go to sleep and I wake up and pretend it's a new day. I'm like, I like that. But also that stuff of like all these book I'm saying, it's about changing the mind.

• 1:22:54Rich Roll?

  Your mind creates your reality.

• 1:22:56Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, that's what.

• 1:22:56Rich Roll?

  Basically what you're saying. And you know, your brain comes up with all of these stories and we buy into them and assume that they're true. And not, not understanding that we can rewrite those stories and tell different ones.

• 1:23:10Hellah Sidibe?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:10Rich Roll?

  Are going to move our lives in a better direction.

• 1:23:12Hellah Sidibe?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:12Rich Roll?

  And that is something I can buy into and I feel 10% less cynical.

• 1:23:16Hellah Sidibe?

  Yeah, there you go. See, I'm getting into.

• 1:23:19Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Uh, this was amazing.

• 1:23:21Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you. This is awesome. This is fun.

• 1:23:23Rich Roll?

  I meant it when I said it, like I, I literally could do this with you every week. Let's do more of this kind of stuff.

• 1:23:28Hellah Sidibe?

  Absolutely.

• 1:23:28Rich Roll?

  Anytime you have any news you want to share, I'm going to be spending more time in New York. Uh, and so, uh, it can be easy.

• 1:23:36Hellah Sidibe?

  Awesome. Yeah. And I have to let you know more when I'm in the LA area, cause I travel there a lot and see if you're not busy, go for a bike ride.

• 1:23:42Rich Roll?

  Yeah. Next time I'm here, I think I'll be in a situation where I actually could run with you. Uh, and at a minimum, I would love to go on a ride with you. I'm going to take you up on that, my friend.

• 1:23:51Hellah Sidibe?

  And I need to know all your crazy bike advice.

• 1:23:54Rich Roll?

  I'm getting some sick bike nowadays. But I will get you in a pool. I'm going to make you get in a pool.

• 1:23:59Hellah Sidibe?

  It'd be great fitness for me. Yeah. Perfect. It's a deal.

• 1:24:01Rich Roll?

  Um, I'm already going to do that with Dan Churchill. So maybe you can join and we can do a, we can do a double team on that.

• 1:24:07Hellah Sidibe?

  Perfect. All right. Perfect.

• 1:24:10Rich Roll?

  You're the best.

• 1:24:10Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:11Rich Roll?

  I love you.

• 1:24:11Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you.

• 1:24:12Rich Roll?

  We need more Hellah energy in the world.

• 1:24:14Hellah Sidibe?

  Appreciate it. Thank you for having me.

• 1:24:16Rich Roll?

  Amplify it a little bit.

• 1:24:18Hellah Sidibe?

  I was an honor. Always fun to be here. We're always laughing and having a good time. This is fun.

• 1:24:22Rich Roll?

  Uh, where should people go to find you? Instagram, YouTube, Tik Tok?

• 1:24:27Hellah Sidibe?

  Everything hella good.

• 1:24:28Rich Roll?

  Yeah, everything is hella good.

• 1:24:29Hellah Sidibe?

  Everything is hella good.

• 1:24:30Rich Roll?

  Unified brand.

• 1:24:31Hellah Sidibe?

  It's a unified brand. It's a hella good group.

• 1:24:33Rich Roll?

  Thanks to Lex.

• 1:24:33Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you. Thank you to Lex. Yeah, absolutely. She definitely made this life happen. Sometimes sit there, I'm like, thank goodness I listened to it. Cause I was fighting it. I was like, I don't want to do a video. She's like, come on, this is really cool. You gotta share with people. You're doing a run streak.

• 1:24:45Rich Roll?

  And the world is a better place.

• 1:24:46Hellah Sidibe?

  Yes.

• 1:24:47Rich Roll?

  All right. Peace, my friend.

• 1:24:48Hellah Sidibe?

  Thank you. Appreciate it.