Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

This week, Father Cooper travels to London and sits down with Olivia Attwood. Olivia discusses her life before Love Island and recounts her days partying and traveling the world as a grid girl. Olivia’s dating life before Love Island? Tattoos on the first date and countless cheating stories…it was toxic. The pair then discuss Olivia’s experience exploring the world of OnlyFans and Pornhub and the lives of cam girls and sugar babies. Olivia breaks down the reality of these internet ventures and reveals the dark side you’ve never heard about before. Olivia joins OnlyFans and speaks about the struggles she faced while on the site. What is the most twisted request cam girls receive? Is sugar baby-ing as easy as it seems? Why shoot porn if OnlyFans exists? Every question is addressed and every misconception debunked.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 3:11Alex Cooper?

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Hello?

• 3:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  I feel like I know you.

• 3:25Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  This is so weird.

• 3:27Alex Cooper?

  I've been so excited to meet you.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  This is gonna be so good.

• 3:30Alex Cooper?

  Do you need anything?

• 3:31Speaker 03

  No, I've literally helped myself to like free prosecco from the uh...

• 3:34Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what?

• 3:35Speaker 03

  I know, there was, I don't even know.

• 3:36Alex Cooper?

  Guys, I didn't get offered any. What the?

• 3:39Speaker 03

  It was in a fridge. I just took it.

• 3:40Alex Cooper?

  You're like, let's go.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  Welcome to London, babe.

• 3:43Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, I'm so happy to be here.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  What are we at with swearing for this pod?

• 3:47Alex Cooper?

  You fucking little dirty cunt. I'm gonna slide a dildo up your pu- You can say whatever the fuck you want.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  But I wondered like, are we gonna make drinks or whatever?

• 3:56Alex Cooper?

  No, I know. No one offered me a drink. So I was like, I think-

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Guys, can we get Alex and prosecco?

• 4:01Alex Cooper?

  So apparently Olivia's been drinking without me.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  I found in a fridge. I was up, I might have placed someone's goes to corner shop. It's upstairs in the fridge. There was four bottles and I just took a tumbler.

• 4:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay, ready?

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, ready.

• 4:14Alex Cooper?

  Olivia Atwood, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  That sentence just gave me chills. I've got goosebumps.

• 4:21Alex Cooper?

  Wait, I love it so much. I'm so- Happy to be here in your presence.

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Really?

• 4:27Alex Cooper?

  Yes. Okay, I'm gonna give you backstory because I'm gonna like, I'm gonna lube you up here. Okay.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 4:33Alex Cooper?

  Pandemic. I'm sitting in my New York City apartment. I am so bored as we all are. And I'm like, I need to find a TV show that I can like, go and binge. Like, I need to be here for days on end. And I find Love Island. And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously, UK. And everyone is like, you have to watch three or five. You have to watch three or five. And so naturally, I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three. Your beautiful face pops up and the entire season, I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl. And I thought this like, over a year and a half ago to two years ago.

• 5:13Alex Cooper?

  So naturally, I flew 5,000 miles so I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood.

• 5:20Speaker 03

  This is crazed. This is crazy to me. Like, I've been a fan of the podcast forever.

• 5:26Alex Cooper?

  Stop.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  I swear to God, the Instagram, everything. It's wild. Daddy gang, be nice to me.

• 5:31Alex Cooper?

  Oh, are you kidding me? They're gonna be, they are gonna be so nice to you. I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long. And I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like, we can just do a Zoom.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  I remember this a little bit, yeah.

• 5:47Alex Cooper?

  I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a Zoom with Olivia Atwood.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Zoom as well. It's just not the same.

• 5:53Alex Cooper?

  We can't drink, Priscilla.

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• 9:25Alex Cooper?

  Let's go back a little bit, okay, because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it. But before Love Island, young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, now, I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were like so creepy. You were a grid girl.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:43Alex Cooper?

  Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you doing?

• 9:48Speaker 03

  I was a model, but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps, you know, and I was at this thing we have in the UK called the Touring Car Championships. It's like pretty low key, whatever. It was there. It was a miserable fucking day. It was like the north of England. And I was like, what am I actually doing? Like standing here with this sad little flag. And then the Monster Girls were there with another team. And one of the girls approached me and she was like, would you, you know, want to work with us? But you, when you work with Monster, you can only do like Monster. You can't do like a bit of this, bit of that. So I said, yeah. And then, yeah, I started like a week after. And I did that solidly for like, oh, God, like four or five years. I was like a Monster Girl.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  So it's everything. It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate, like track, cars, motorbikes. It's crazy.

• 10:37Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out. And naturally, I can only imagine like the parties and the vibes. What is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life?

• 10:51Speaker 03

  They were always wild. Like it was, you know, the amount of time. I turned up with on no sleep like I mean I was just a different animal back then like I couldn't do it now like I'd be in a fetal position like rocking crying like I was I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day was like you know it's like to be that age is just the dream. But people always say to me all the riders the drivers but you know like the thing was like Formula One drivers, MotoGP, they don't drink. Like really they don't they're like they are like quite a weird breed like they're not super social it's a very like you know isolated sport so they don't really get involved in like you know partying and stuff so it was more like I'd end up like with the mechanics like the

• 11:30Speaker 03

  I didn't give a shit if he was down to like drink with me and get messy I was all about it like I didn't care if you were changing tyres earlier you saw grease on your hands if you wanna go and like we'll pound a bottle of Jäger let's do it like I had no prejudice I didn't give a shit.

• 11:42Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you so much also I was I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before I know you're engaged to one and so I'm thinking like I forgot that concept like when you're younger you wanna go for these athletes but it's almost like wait till you're like a little bit older because they don't fucking party.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  No and they're so like obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focused and nothing is gonna like

• 12:05Alex Cooper?

  Just disgusting.

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Like god imagine having dedication and you know self-control.

• 12:11Alex Cooper?

  Olivia and I are like it's so annoying that they won't party with us like I don't comprehend it. I wanna get a vibe Olivia of like how would you describe your dating life before Love Island?

• 12:23Speaker 03

  Give it to us. So I had a long term relationship with just this oh this piece of shit but I was with him for like four or five years it was like my first real thing and I was doing modeling and I was very obsessed with this relationship and I I almost you know I my modeling agency was so done with me because I would flake on things because I just wanted to be with him all the time like I didn't even care to have my own money I had no drive it was a really good lesson for me I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know do you know what I mean like to have your own money to have your own independence I just. Was obsessed and I was flaking on job stuff.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  He used to do this thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like, I'm, I'm, I'm going, whatever, like. You know, I'd be all anxious and like I'd be a mess and then on Monday to come back and be like, oh no, like, let's work it out. He just picked me up and dropped me all the time. So when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline that at that time that I, I needed. It's weird. Everything in my life, I feel like with Love Island, Monster. It's like the universe has like thrown me this like life vest, like at that time, it's like, cause. Doing Monster at first, when I, when I realised how much travel it was, I was a bit like, hmm. I don't wanna like travel and be away from him, cause I was like obsessed for some reason and it's like. Doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people opened my eyes to like, oh my god, this is like massive world out there and you've made your world so fricking small, like for what reason?

• 13:48Speaker 03

  So it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation I was in was. And then that broke down like for a good reason, but then following that, my dating was like pretty erratic, like I just used to like, you know, go from one guy to the next. I jump in really feet first, like I am all about that. I want them to be obsessed with me, I wanna be obsessed with them, I wanna get tattoos on the second date, I want them to move in. Like I, my, you know, they could come to the second date with my name tattooed on their head and I'd be like.

• 14:16Alex Cooper?

  I'm what?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm literally, oh, do you wanna go upstairs? My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him. Like, yeah, so I love that, that obsessive being in love. So I, I was always, you know, going kind of once to the next, chasing that feeling.

• 14:29Alex Cooper?

  Sometimes you have to go through those relationships. That's why I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy. And it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like. Oh my god, and it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch and then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this shit is not healthy, whether you're like. Viewing your friends or the people around you and you all, all of a sudden are like. Okay, I need to like look at this differently.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  At one point, I don't think I had like my own debit cards. It was ridiculous. Like I didn't, I literally, like when I say pulled the rug from under my feet every time he like left me. I was like, you know, I was underweight and I was crying and I was just, I was just like, I was just, it was so unhealthy and I just. It just, learning that at that age, like. You know, my late teens, early twenties was like, I think, a really important lesson to learn. It just, I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never gonna let myself be in that situation again. Yeah, if Brad wa- walked out tomorrow, it would hurt. Like, I wouldn't get over it in a day. But I could still get in my car that I own, drive somewhere, get my own house. Like, I, do you know what I mean? I'm good.

• 15:32Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 15:32Speaker 03

  Like, I'd be heartbroken, but I'm good. I'm not gonna be on my knees like I was with that situation.

• 15:37Alex Cooper?

  I've been in one of those too, and I think it's like, we, if he left tomorrow, what happens? Like, am I okay? Like, again, heartbroken is different than like, wait, I literally have nowhere to live, no money, no friends. My family is gone because I distanced myself, like, checking those moments.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  I was like distancing everyone, like friends, family, like completely isolated, like. So, yeah, Monster was like, you know, it was, it threw me a lifeline. And, and we had, I had the best, I traveled the world. This is my thing that I say is like, you know, people get on about grid girls or like, you know, ring girls. And this anti feminism, like, who, we've had men telling us what to do. Now we've got other women telling us what to do. If you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in a, an environment like Monster is a safe, you know, is a very safe gig for me. Who's anyone else to tell me what? That empowered me, changed my life, it threw me a lifeline, you know?

• 16:27Alex Cooper?

  That is amazing.

• 16:28Speaker 03

  But at the same time, you know, it, I couldn't, I did it for four or five years and, you know, it's that I got to the end of my thing with it. You know, when you're working for a brand like that, it's you, there's not much individuality, like, you know, you have to have your hair a certain way, your nails a certain way. You do this, that, the other, and to- towards the end, I, cause I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit. I started pushing the boundaries, like burning some bridges. You know, just like acting, like just acting out, because I started to be like, no, I'm gonna come with red nails, like just for the fucking hell of it.

• 16:54Alex Cooper?

  Right. That's actually really cool though for you to like hear about the whole concept of how Monster helped you. Because I agree, I feel like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing, if anything has to do with your looks. They're like, it's degrading, you're not empowering yourself. And it's like, hold on, like, why don't you ask me how I feel first?

• 17:13Speaker 03

  Thank you. And I feel like, what, the thing is, is without this, how do I say this without it coming off really bad? Obviously, I, you know, think of myself as somewhat intelligent. But some girls, they are just, they just do wanna do their fucking hair and, and look pretty. And that's might be their thing in life. And why can you tell them that that's not good enough? Or that's not empowering? Like, what, you know, I'm not telling the girls at NASA, you can't work there cuz I'm not clever enough to work there. Like, let people do their thing.

• 17:40Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, thank you for sharing that.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  You're so welcome.

• 17:43Alex Cooper?

  Love Island. Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna go through a little bit of that. For people that don't know, also, I just want you to know, I only watch Love Island UK. I think it's entertaining. I haven't watched the Australia one, have you?

• 17:56Speaker 03

  I, I dipped in a little bit, but not like.

• 17:58Alex Cooper?

  Is it as good? I don't think anything is as good as UK. It's not, it is not. Okay, so for anyone who has never seen Love Island, do, how do you describe like the concept of the show?

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Oh. It's like good-looking girls and guys on an island, dating. It's a game show, there's money at the end, but the, essentially, it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you. And it's, it's a test, it's, you know, who can find a real connection, a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money. Although it's weird with Love Island, like, when you're in there, no one really talk, gives a shit about the money. It's, yeah, it's the kind of like, you wouldn't, you don't even need the money at the end. The money is just like a, a thing, but it's, it kind of, yeah, no one focuses on that in a weird way.

• 18:43Alex Cooper?

  I love that though, because I was thinking about it. I feel like Love Island is so, so much more accepted and loved than consider like The Bachelor. It's like, it's not realistic that after six weeks, you're going to get married. Like, I love how Love Island is like, are we gonna hit it off and are we gonna leave here together as a couple? Like, that's so much more realistic. And obviously, being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  Alcohol, there's like two glasses.

• 19:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah. No, but it is kinda, wait, they would, would they limit you?

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Are you, are you joking?

• 19:15Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  Are you joking?

• 19:17Alex Cooper?

  Wait, why don't I know this?

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Two glasses of, oh, my series, okay, I can't speak, I'm a series. We were all like balls to the wall crazy, so we might have been limited more than others, but we had two glasses of wine a night, or beer.

• 19:29Alex Cooper?

  That's shocking, because I didn't realize none of you were hammered.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober. I'm just insane.

• 19:39Alex Cooper?

  You must be hammered when the fight scene happens.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  No, I didn't, I didn't have my drink yet, and then I went outside and the juice said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking. I was like, honestly, I swear, I'm sober. Can you imagine if we were licking up? It would have been like Fight Club.

• 19:55Alex Cooper?

  No, it actually would have been probably like not even airable, because it would have gotten so wild.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  So the reason is, they said, because I questioned them every day, it's the point where they're like, if you ask about it again, you're gonna get a written warning, is what I was told in the beach chat. Because I argued every day is that the, the show is, because it's about dating, about love, they don't want people doing stuff, you know, driven by alcohol, and the next day waking up being like, oh, I don't actually like him, I only snogged him because I was drunk, because it's not that kind of show, it wouldn't make sense. They want people kissing and being in bed together because it's, they want to, not because they're drunk.

• 20:26Alex Cooper?

  Right, which is so different, I think, than real life, though, because let's be real.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  I mean, I've gone from living on my own since I was like twenty one, to, you know, doing what I want, to being told, like, you know, you got, you got two glasses. It was real hard for my head, like, to deal with.

• 20:40Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah, I feel like I would feel that way, too. Okay, so that's a really good insider info I did not know. So when you got there, in your mind and your experience, like, what was the atmosphere and energy on that set?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Series three was the one that like blew up, right? So we had series one and two in the UK that were popular, so I was meant to go on series two. This is like the tea.

• 21:01Alex Cooper?

  Wait, give us how you were cast, like, tell me the tea.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  So it's really like an eye-rolling kind of like, you know, it's getting wasted, but I was approached on Instagram, they DM me, so series two, they DM me, I'd only watched little bits of series one. It was popular, but really, like, no one was really talking about it. I was doing the monster thing. I'd started a thing off with this guy, he was like a rider, whatever, like motocross thing, and... I was all about him. We'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second date was sweet.

• 21:26Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you actually did?

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've got it still now. It's like a bit faded, but yeah, we did the whole.

• 21:30Alex Cooper?

  Is Brad like, can we get rid of that?

• 21:32Speaker 03

  He's the most like fat guy. He's practically horizontal. Like, he's, he's got like the B D E. Like, you know, is that what Kim says? Like, he's got that big dick energy. He couldn't give a shit. Like, he's, yeah.

• 21:42Alex Cooper?

  What is the tattoo of?

• 21:43Speaker 03

  It's just his initial. Yeah, I did it like this two weeks in.

• 21:47Alex Cooper?

  Would you care if Brad had that?

• 21:49Speaker 03

  I don't think so. No. I don't know. I would have cut it out of him, obviously.

• 21:54Alex Cooper?

  You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping. Like, what?

• 21:58Speaker 03

  He wakes up, what are you doing? Nothing!

• 21:59Alex Cooper?

  Also, for everyone listening, Brad is Olivia's fiance.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's my long suffering fiance.

• 22:03Alex Cooper?

  You meet this guy, you get tattooed second date.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me. They're like, you know, so I went and I, I didn't, we were just dating. So I was like, um, you know, I'll see it through, went to meet like interviews, whatever. Then they offered me on. I was all like, I was basically carrying on as if I was gonna do it. And then it got to like, literally, I'm leaving in like two weeks. And I was like, oh, I don't know. Like, I've got a really good thing going. I like this guy a lot. This show, is it a bit like, you know, I've seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds and it was, no one had really thought it was cool yet. So I was like, I'm doing something that I think is quite cool. And with this guy. So anyway, I just, I just ghosted. I just blocked everyone from basically ITV. I was just.

• 22:43Alex Cooper?

  And were they like, hello?

• 22:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were like calling. I was just panicked. Blocked everyone. I was like, it's gonna carry on my life. And then basically I was with him for a good like nine months or something. Anyway, he cheats on me. He sleeps with this girl. I go like.

• 22:56Alex Cooper?

  How'd you find out?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Uh, I had like a, you know, just like a sixth sense. I can't remember now the exact.

• 23:02Alex Cooper?

  You just knew in your gut?

• 23:03Speaker 03

  I just knew and I just, I honestly, I've mellowed so much. I just went like, I was, yeah, I was quite crazy.

• 23:10Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what did you do? You have to tell someone. Call her daddy, Olivia.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  I was just like writing on my Instagram, like wild stuff, like ugly pictures of him. Like, look at this piece of shit that cheated on me. I was just like, stuff that is a shame because I could never do that now because people would be like, oh, like you can't, you know, I just really enjoyed being like a nobody, you know, like I would just say what I wanted. I was calling up his work nonstop. I was just insane. I was just literally, my mum, we were shopping in London when I found out my mum's like wrestling me like in self, just trying to get the phone out of my hand because I'm doing so much damage. She's like, you need to stop, you need to stop. I'm like, I can't. And she's like, it's all for the better. I'm like, no, it's not. I'm like, comedy has done this to me.

• 23:52Alex Cooper?

  No, I get that feeling though. You're like, he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that I felt. And so I get that, I get that.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, I just went, I re-indulged myself. I treated myself to a proper meltdown, like I really did. I was like smashed at four P M. Rolling around London, just like ringing up his work, just fucking crazy. Rang his mum, um, just everything. I'm like, your son's a piece of shit. And she's like, oh, um, yeah. And then I saw this advert, I swear, again, it's like a whole universe moment. I saw this advert like casting for Love Island. It was on like a bustle or something, two like seasons and three. And I thought, I should have done that last year. So I go on my phone, I find these people from Love Island. I unblock a couple of them. I just ring them up, don't I? I just rang them up. Shout out to Lewis, he took the call. I was like,

• 24:38Speaker 03

  hi, I was like, do you remember me? And he was like, yes, you're the girl that disappeared. Like, and I was like, well, I was like, I would love to have a chance to go on the show. I can't even keep a straight face saying it. And he was like, I don't know what the execs are gonna say. They're probably gonna tell you to like, take a running jump. He's like, but I will speak to them. Um, it's quite late in the day for like, see, I, you know, I think they'd already cast most people. I just hung up. I just then got all my feelings, like, what am I doing? I don't wanna do Monster anymore. Like, this guy's loser. And, and they call me back like the next day. And he's like, you can come on if you leave in two weeks. So literally, that was it. I went like on a mad like Zara Hall, like other brands are available.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  And just got all the bikinis, dresses, and like two weeks later, I was gone.

• 25:24Alex Cooper?

  So, once you got there and you were hanging, what was, do you think, the biggest key to success on Love Island?

• 25:32Speaker 03

  So my thing going into it, and I, you know, I'm really open about this. When I had nervous feelings about going in, I thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows, I think, is go in, be booted out in week one, and no one even remembers you were there. Like, what was the point? Like, I've left Monster, they're not gonna have me back. I burnt all those bridges. I've left my modeling agency. I've, you know, screwed off the guy that I was seeing. Like, I felt like, if I'm gonna do this, I have to. Do this properly and I'm gonna make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building. Like, that was my main thing. And I really, you know, I just thought I'm gonna, I I thought to myself, when I get in there, I'm gonna forget those cameras. I'm just gonna do it how I would live life. But it's crazy, like, I know everyone says it, but like, after like twenty four hours, you really forget. Like, you really forget you're all like being watched.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, like, you know, there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were, you know, more self-aware. I've always been unself-aware. I'd like to say, like, if you put me in now, I know that they get how many billions of viewers a night, that I would behave a different way. I probably wouldn't, because I can't. I I cannot be anything but a hot mess.

• 26:38Alex Cooper?

  I always talk about on my show, like, guys, self-awareness is so key. And Olivia's walking in, be like, I am so unself-aware. Can you give us examples of what you mean by that? Because you don't see, I get what you're saying of like the hot mess. You look great put together right now, you're speaking eloquently, but what do you mean by you're unself-aware?

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Just, I I, you know, I hate this expression, but you know, like, wear your heart on your sleeve. I'm very like, if I feel something or I don't like something, I don't like someone, I can't help but kind of, either my face says it or my mouth says it. One of them is gonna say it, like, I can't, you know, I can't be a wallflower despite trying at times. It's like verbal diarrhea. I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and it's, I just go.

• 27:20Alex Cooper?

  Did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger?

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Oh, like, oh, my god, my mom used to say to me, like, what is this? I I'm ADHD, which I know now, which explains a lot, but at school, I used to do the weirdest shit. And then get in so much trouble and then I'd cry on the way home. My mom'd be like, but why did you do that? And I'd be like, I don't know. I literally don't know.

• 27:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, well, it made for really great reality TV. Okay, so wrapping up Love Island, when you look back, what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience?

• 27:51Speaker 03

  If I watch her now, like, you know, I watch myself on Love Island, I was quite angry, you know, I was, you know, my back was up. Like, I was looking for an argument all the time. I think I've mellowed and I think it's not, there's nothing I would have done differently because that's who I was at that time. And hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now. I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things, but that's who I was then. And also, it's like. Everything that has happened in my life is as a result. If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like, not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now.

• 28:26Alex Cooper?

  Totally. I think that's such a good answer because I, I relate to that where like, I started my show and I was 10 times crazier, saying shit that probably like, maybe wasn't at the, now I look back, I'm like, I would never fucking say that now. Like, I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now, but I think it's like, that's growth, right? And people are like, no, like, you can't change. I'm not saying I changed. I just grown and I have a different outlook on like, the way I was when I was younger. And there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show. And if you went in there, you'd still be loud and rowdy, but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past. Because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over, like you did when you were going in.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

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• 31:36Alex Cooper?

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• 31:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:46Alex Cooper?

  First of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does that even feel?

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Like, I'm already having massive imposter syndrome even being here with you, but that's just tipped me over the edge. I now feel like I'm sitting in someone else's fault.

• 31:57Alex Cooper?

  No, no, own it because you're a boss. Like, it's incredible. So I want to just explain, I got an advanced copy of the first episode. And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet. In the episode I saw, Olivia dives dives into the world of OnlyFans. She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  I had to check myself.

• 32:31Alex Cooper?

  Let's check ourselves. How do we look? Okay. Had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series?

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Um, not in a serious way. I think I'd thought about it because I had heard this thing people kept saying to me, oh, you should make, there's photos that you pose, you should, you could make loads of money on OnlyFans. Kept hearing that again and again and again. So I was intrigued thinking, is it as easy as that?

• 32:57Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  So that was more, I think, you know, I think, take me back pre Love Island, like, you know, Grid Girl Olivia, she probably would have done OnlyFans. Do you know what I mean? But me right now, where I was, I was more just intrigued. Is it as simple as it sounds? It sounds way too good to be true.

• 33:14Alex Cooper?

  Totally. Is, is OnlyFans what started it for you? Or like, what, how did the show come about for you?

• 33:20Speaker 03

  I think we were, you know, I was really looking to get into like docu-series world. Um, obviously, being from reality TV, like, you can be obviously put in a box and I'm happy with that box. I actually love reality TV and I've got no, like, desire to be like, it's the worst thing and get me out of that box. But I was interested. I feel like, you know, on a good day, when I'm sober, I've got a quite decent brain. I can articulate myself like to a certain degree. So I thought, I definitely have more springs to table. So yeah, we were talking with different networks, different ideas. And when this one came up, I thought, that's a really good fit. And I'm genuinely fascinated. So it's gonna be like, you know, exploring that area is gonna be a genuine interest.

• 34:00Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely. And I feel like, and I know I only saw the first episode, but like, it translates. Like, I was talking about it with my team and we were like, this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of like, I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully, but also made it so fun as you. Because it is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room, but also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience. I thought it was really cool. So you get on OnlyFans in episode one. What was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans?

• 34:38Speaker 03

  The twenty four hour aspects of it, like I didn't, I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me, you know, from people I spoke to is you make the profile, you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in. That's not how you make money. The money's made in the DMs, like the constant communication. It's like the girls that are making the big money, they are on the site twenty four hours a day, like, you know, talking to these people. And when you don't respond, because they've paid to be on your page, they just hound you like question mark, question mark, like, you're like, where are you? Like, you know, I was like quite taken back by that at first.

• 35:14Alex Cooper?

  I was also because, again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening, if you don't have OnlyFans, we all kind of have this idea in our head, right? Of like, you're right, the girl has the profile, she posts some photos, she gets money. And in this episode, it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working. Like when you were like, wait, so what would happen if a guy is gonna pay you like a thousand dollars to sext him? And you're out. And she was like, I would go to the bathroom. And I was like, oh shit. Like, it never stops. And I could see you were kind of like, wait, this is giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone and these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like, hi, like you owe me something.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:59Alex Cooper?

  Um, did you feel empowered while on OnlyFans?

• 36:04Speaker 03

  I don't think I did because I had the account obviously for documentary purposes, so it was my own, but I also I couldn't take like ownership over, because you know, because I was trying to find that line of like, you know, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do, you know, justice to this show, but also it's not mine. In a sense where I'm gonna engage in like, you know, I'm not gonna send nudes out because they'd be out there forever. So it was hard for me to, you know, land in a place where it felt like I was. In control, I guess, because, you know, these people subscribe, they want nudity, they want like, they don't want bikini pictures. Like, that's, that's the biggest myth, I think, you know, I think if you're already famous, whatever, you could monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  A limited amount of time, and then you're gonna have to do more, or it's just gonna die out, or you're gonna be earning not enough to like, live off.

• 36:56Alex Cooper?

  I think that's also insightful, because I feel like I've heard a lot of people, like, oh, I'm just gonna post some of like, my bikini photos on there. And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds, and then people get annoyed, it's like, we'll take your top off, blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of, it feels like, pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  A hundred percent, I think, and, you know, the temptation is like, it's crazy, like, you know, the DMs start coming through, like, you know, five hundred quid for just a picture of your nipples. And it's like, if you were in a situation where you need five hundred quid, like, how easy would it be just to, and I think there's a disconnect, isn't there, between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone? Where like, you could just do it and send it, and there's the money, but then it's like, it's gone, and you can never bring it back. And I think, for, and I, I, you know, I, it sounds like I said it with judgment, because I have, I, you know, you can see what's, I have no judgment, but I think the danger is, I think, for some girls, it's absolutely great, and they kill it.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  And that, you know, every, every downside of it, like, the preconceived notions that, like, you know, they're a whore, or they're promiscuous, they, they, it's water for ducks back. But for a lot of girls, they can't, like, and they find themselves in these, on this site, and they weren't expecting the pressure, and they maybe succumb to pressure that they weren't gonna, you know, they go in there saying, I'm gonna do X, Y, Z. And they end up doing more, and then, you know, that feeling of regret and shame, and I think, that's sad, you know?

• 38:23Alex Cooper?

  Totally, I felt like in the episode, you did a really good job of meeting with, like, a multitude of people, showing the difference. Like, there were some people in this episode that had such a niche, like, way about going about it, like, whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness, and then sometimes naked while doing fitness. And it's like, she kinda had her angle, and she felt. I think it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves, which is working out. And then just monetizing the hell out of it. Then there were some other girls that were kind of like, I started and I just kind of started like. With just underwear pictures and then and then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves. And then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back.

• 39:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:05Alex Cooper?

  Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing?

• 39:13Speaker 03

  I think it was a mix, to be honest. I think some very much yes and some not so much. Like, you know, I always, this is my thing, I went back to the grid girl thing. It's like the whole feminist argument. It's like. Who is anyone else to say what empowers someone? If someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman. More power to you, like, get it, like a hundred percent. But I think there was some that I met with and definitely over the other films, like, you know, the porn episode and. Sugar babies. Again, we, we, you know, I meet both sides. I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving.

• 39:50Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  So I think it's just, it's not for everyone. And the thing that was going into it and the whole, you know, it's like a cheeky title, how to get filthy rich. But the idea was to see like, is it actually that easy? Cause we all do it. I do that thing where I'm like, or I'm doing something. I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna quit and do OnlyFans and do something easy like. And then you realize that, oh shit, like it's not easy.

• 40:08Alex Cooper?

  Which I think is great, especially for women, that this show is coming out because I do think it's going to put. A stop to that comment. Cause I so agree with you. People are like, oh, fuck this. I'm gonna quit my day job and go do OnlyFans. And it's like. I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally. Seeing these women, there's just like a lot behind it that I think you did a great job of capturing.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  It's for me, it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax, right? So if you're, you know, what I do, I'm. Showing every part of my life has a tax, you know, Instagram has an emotional tax. It makes me feel, sometimes I feel judged, I feel stressed or. If you work in the city and you're there like, you know, six days a week, ten o'clock at night, you don't see your kids, that's a tax. So does this, like this is not, does not come without the downside, you know, like the judgment. And I think, you know, these sites and, you know, you're seeing in cam girls episode as well, it's like the, the, it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like, and these girls have to read this stuff, hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down with the

• 41:18Speaker 03

  terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do.

• 41:22Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  And some of the things that I heard were just absolutely like shocking, like, you know, the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day. And how does that then affect their relationship with, you know, other straight men in their lives? Because what I think is so interesting about this whole online sexual economy debate. We're all so focused on the girls, like the girls who are doing OnlyFans, like, oh my God, they're the worst. But it's our dads, brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit. No one's worried about them, they're the ones asking for them to do X, Y, stick this up your arse. They're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers, they are the men in our lives.

• 41:59Alex Cooper?

  I love how you're saying that, as much as it may pain people, you're right, it's like, it's your dad, it's your brother, because the man doing it is someone's son, is someone's dad, is someone's hus- you know what I mean?

• 42:09Speaker 03

  But we don't have a problem with them, we have a problem with the girls providing the content, but we're talking about millions of pounds a year. This isn't like a niche, this is like the majority of men, not all, the majority.

• 42:22Alex Cooper?

  It's really interesting, talking about cam girls, I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode, but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on OnlyFans?

• 42:34Speaker 03

  So for me, when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be, I was like, cam girls, I think, I don't know if you have it in the States, like Babe Station, on the TV, the channel where they've got the phone and I was like, is that even a thing anymore? It felt very nineties, like, it's the kind of thing that I would flick on to when I was younger and like the home telly and be like, oh my God, right? So, but it turns out it's still like big money industry and this is like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also on like webcam, so they kind of like, they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girl's there and then they can call the phone, the girl will take the phone. So it's like, they can either do it from their home or in the studio, but it's contained to like the site, do you know what I mean?

• 43:17Alex Cooper?

  Did you find that most of those women have OnlyFans or no?

• 43:20Speaker 03

  A lot, yeah, not all, but. Most, because it's just a no brainer. But a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have OnlyFans and they just like kind of dip their toe in it because they do the camming because they're they like the fact that they log on for like a camming shift for like five, six hours and then they they go and they leave and it's done whereas like OnlyFans never leaves you alone. It's constantly, you know, it's on your phone. You never get a break. So they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl. It's only it really is like work. And then literally like clock off, go home and they've got kids and normal lives and husbands and they just leave that and then the next day they go back and they go back to work.

• 44:00Alex Cooper?

  That makes sense because the OnlyFans episode really you like again, you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an every day, every minute of your life thing where now I'm now I understand because I'm like, why would a girl do camgirling if it's OnlyFans, you can do it from home. There is a boundary.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:16Alex Cooper?

  Do you know like which cam girls, obviously we haven't seen the episode yet, but like the idea of it, like who would make the most money, like what kind of version of camming?

• 44:26Speaker 03

  In what sense?

• 44:26Alex Cooper?

  Like is there are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming?

• 44:31Speaker 03

  Like it's inside one thing across all episodes you'll see is like this and I I really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because there has to be a reason.

• 44:40Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  This feet thing, right? Across every single episode, there's this undercover about feet. So the girls in the camming studio, the ones who are like great at the feet chat, who can like dangle the soletto on their big toe, like do all the they kill it because literally six out of 10 calls will be about feet.

• 44:59Alex Cooper?

  What the fuck is up with men and feet?

• 45:01Speaker 03

  I don't know, but we need I need to get to the bottom of it.

• 45:02Alex Cooper?

  I do too. We should honestly call us like I'm going to call my therapist right now and be like, hi, what the fuck is up?

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Like some connection, something like Freudian nightmare because these all the way through. Yeah.

• 45:14Alex Cooper?

  You talk about sugar babies.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 45:17Alex Cooper?

  What was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies?

• 45:22Speaker 03

  There is always an exchange, maybe for sex for money. And I met girls, you know, and people might roll their eyes and go, oh bullshit. No, these girls are like honest with me, like there is arrangements where it's not sexual, it's just dinner. Like, or it's just company, or it's, some of them, it's not even in person, it's just talking and he might, you know, pin them like five hundred quid or whatever. So I thought, who the hell is gonna give someone money? Do you know what I mean? For nothing, basically.

• 45:52Alex Cooper?

  Oh yeah, I've heard of people also, like I had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date. And I'm like, eventually, is it gonna progress to sex? Eventually, they, they do kinda ask, I think, but like for a while, you can kinda stay in that grey zone, which again, kinda reminds me of the OnlyFans thing. You can stay in this grey zone for a little bit of like, I'm comfortable with this and then someone's gonna ask and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for yourself.

• 46:19Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. And I think one of the girls I've met, um, she, you know, she'd had this arrangement with a guy for like three, four years, you know, she's never had sex with him and she said it's all about your approach, like from day one, you set that, you, it's the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that. And I think that's, you know, experience, age, everything comes into it. Same with OnlyFans, I think, you know, you have to be a very strong person to be like, this is my boundaries and I'm not gonna move. Whereas I think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're gonna, your angle is, and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you.

• 46:51Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  Because you don't even know yourself, but I think.

• 46:54Alex Cooper?

  What did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby?

• 47:01Speaker 03

  I think maybe just living in that limbo land, you know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend. But you're not single and, and they, and essentially they, they are the one handing out the money. So you have to kind of, you know, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking, you know, a lot of the girls, it's like it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time. And then, you know, I think some of the girls I spoke to, it's like, it's great if you've got a great thing going, but if he just like drops you like that, you can go. Living this like unreal lifestyle. That's where it's like being smart, like, you know, getting the allowance, banking the money. Whereas like, I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending and then he's just like, oh, bye. You could be like, ah, I can't afford my apartment. I can't afford my car like.

• 47:45Alex Cooper?

  It's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it. But you have to know, like, this takes way more work than we give these women credit for.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Like, they are straight up hustlers. Like, if you, the girls that do it right, it's like, it's an art form at the peak. Like, you know, like you say, it's like, it's like any relationship when you're young or like, you know, you're not thinking straight. You don't set your boundaries or standards. So that means the standards and the, it's just all a mess. Like, so it's like anything. You have to go in and be like, this is what it is. This is what I want from you. This is what I'm gonna give you.

• 48:23Alex Cooper?

  It's like, we literally, we need someone to like, that's done this to like, create a crash course, which I kind of think you're in a way, this is like the beginning of it. Because by you peeling this layer back, it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it. And I think for a while, there hasn't been that. So women are just blindly going into it because they're just have money on the mind, which I so get.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:48Alex Cooper?

  Who doesn't? But it's like, there's no idea of like how far it's gonna go and what's gonna happen.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Because I think what I love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary, but it has heart and it has humor. And we're not coming up from an angle, whereas I think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental. It feels kind of like seedy. I don't think there's anything wrong with, you know, dating someone for like financial gain or, you know, life experience or, you know, whatever it may be for travel. Like, what the hell? You know, if you're two consenting adults, you're, you're not hurting anyone. What does it matter?

• 49:24Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  But I think, like you say, that young girls need to, and I think that's what this show is nice because it's very balanced. We're not glorifying anything. It's, the girls are really honest. They're like, I make, you know, Bonnie, she's like, I'm making two hundred and fifty grand a month, my best month. But it's a heavy load to carry. Like, it's not just as easy as that, you know?

• 49:42Alex Cooper?

  Totally. I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it, but you also experienced the Pornhub world. What was your approach for that episode? Were you nervous?

• 49:56Speaker 03

  I was excited.

• 49:57Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yes.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  I was excited. I was like, I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes, like, I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years. I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like, see some willies and like, just be amongst it. And also, just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made.

• 50:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, how was that? What was that like?

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Like, ju- I mean, obviously, I went to an orgy one time. I'm like giggling, because it's, you know, it, when it's right there in the flesh, but it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be.

• 50:27Alex Cooper?

  I can imagine.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  I learnt like, the cum shot, you know, like, on the thumbnails on the website, that's like, Gaviscon. Do you have Gaviscon? It's like a, like, heartburn medication. They just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen.

• 50:38Alex Cooper?

  Stop.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  I swear, at the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there, they pour like, this heartburn medication, or something like, goopy, and they position it all perfectly, and they do all the photos. Yeah, because I was thinking like, actually, when you think about it now, it makes sense. Because like, who has like, that much semen? And also, the positioning of it's always like, perfect. Then they wipe it all off, then they do, like, then they'll do still shots, then they'll plan out, like, you're gonna be there doing doggy. It's just mental.

• 51:04Alex Cooper?

  It's a full production.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Full production.

• 51:06Alex Cooper?

  Which I think is nice to hear, and I'm glad that you're kind of like, breaking down that wall again. Because I know, when I was like, I'm gonna get a facial from this guy's penis, and he's gonna go all over my face, and I remember the first time it happened, it went right in my eye, and I fully was like, blackout, like, couldn't see, like, was just like, fucked for the rest of the week. And I'm like, wait, why does it look like this on porn? Because it doesn't actually fucking happen.

• 51:27Speaker 03

  That doesn't happen like that.

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• 54:41Alex Cooper?

  These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. What, why are people, do you think, still shooting for porn sites if OnlyFans exists?

• 54:54Speaker 03

  We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film. And ultimately is that there is still a demand for high production value porn. People still like it, you know? OnlyFans, I think, is like you're impersonating intimacy, you know, it's like intimate thing, the back and forth, the messages, you know, giving someone that like personalized experience. Whereas porn is much more, you know, a fantasy. It's costumes. It might be in a style that someone, you know, like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever. Like it's a different, it's a completely different thing.

• 55:28Alex Cooper?

  But aren't women in porn not making as much?

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry, you meant the actors.

• 55:33Alex Cooper?

  No, no, that was actually helpful too. Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  So a lot of them are doing both now. But the thing is with the bigger porn stars, they might have like really big contracts with like a Brazzers or, you know, Digital Playground or something. And they're like on really good money. So it's, and I think, you know, some of them have like no OnlyFans policy, you know, if you have that contract. I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the States than it is in, you know, the UK in terms of porn and stuff. But yeah, the bigger porn stars, I think, they stick to their, like, it's like a trade, isn't it? Like, you know, they, it's a skill. They've, you know, and they have, they make really good money. So all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big cheque. Whereas what they'd have to do in OnlyFans to make the same would be way more laborious.

• 56:18Alex Cooper?

  In your episodes and through your experience, like, did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not?

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Um, I met, I met a girl who was, um, a girl Alex, who was, she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn. Um, and she, to me, was someone who seemed really unsure. It, it filled, it filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her, actually, and she, um, went and she did like, uh, I think like a handjob video, whatever, and she hated it. And then she realized it wasn't for her. And I was like, thank God that you did that and not something else, like, so you could make that decision. Um, I, I spoke to the girls who were like regular porn, so like Scarlett, I spoke to, like, a lot of the really professional shoots, they will have, like, a check sheet at the beginning. So they'll be like, they'll go through it, the stars, it'll be like anal tech or strangling, she could be like, no, don't.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  And they X and tick everything that's like a yes or a no. And then that's like the print, like no one strays from that. She said, don't touch my asshole, so he can't, or vice, do you know what I mean? But then she said, she, you know, she'll go to shoots where like, they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free for all. So she, you know, there is, you know, I think there is risk involved. I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because, you know, it's, it takes away a lot of that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people?

• 57:34Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:36Alex Cooper?

  Which episode was your favorite to create and why?

• 57:42Speaker 03

  I'm gonna surprise everyone this, I think, but Cam Girls, I think is my favorite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because it's, it's like, they, I love them all. That's like my babies, but Cam Girls, the girls I met were just, I, they, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them. Like, it was just so much heart and they were so open with me and it was such a diverse, like, kind of range of girls who, like, go to this studio, do this job, which is just so crazy to a lot of us, like, you know, and then they go home and they're mothers or they've got other jobs. And it's just like, there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as. And I just loved it. I loved being in the studio. I loved being with the girls.

• 58:22Alex Cooper?

  Like, are they in a room? By themselves.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  It's like this big studio and it's like like sectioned down all the way. It's open, right? And each booth is like different colors or different themes and the girls are all in there on the phone and the webcam. And so when you're on an evening, I was in there, it's just a room of like sex noises, dirty talk, like all competing over each other. But they say like they can hear each other a bit.

• 58:45Alex Cooper?

  But it's not that loud.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  But to me, it was like, how can you even think straight? Cause it's like, literally, I'm talking like, you know, like when you go to a photo shoot and they use those polystyrene.

• 58:53Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  That's what's separating each thing. And it was, my head, when I left that night, was like spinning. I was like, just listening to everything. The phones ringing.

• 59:02Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  I answer phones, this guy, and he's like panting down the phone. I was like, this is.

• 59:08Alex Cooper?

  Did you talk to someone?

• 59:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like giving him all the chat and then I just couldn't and I froze.

• 59:12Alex Cooper?

  Give us a little preview.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  I was like, hey, baby, are you horny? And then the guy, I don't know why I'm doing an American accent, but that's just what came out. I feel like if you're gonna do a porn voice, it has to be American.

• 59:22Alex Cooper?

  Wait, really?

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Yes, like.

• 59:25Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I didn't think about that. That's so interesting.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  I just feel like most porn you watch is.

• 59:29Alex Cooper?

  Give me your best American. Hey, baby, are you horny? Do you wanna fuck?

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Was that not like, hey, hey daddy? Hey daddy gang?

• 59:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, we're like getting so nasty, like daddy gang. That's really interesting too. Did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends or did, was it kind of like do my work, get out of there?

• 59:47Speaker 03

  I think that's why I like, that's why I kind of got emotionally involved with that place. Cause they were like, it's like a bit of a sorority vibe. Like they was all like, and what was made me feel nice is that, and the thing which I think makes doing OnlyFans or coming from home really hard. If they got a call and some guy asked them like to do some terrible thing. You know, if people call up and ask disturbing things, like will you pretend to be like my sister or my mom and I'm gonna rape you? It's just horrendous and they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is an actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts. They then have each other to lean on. They can be like, I just had this call and they all can relate. Whereas, you know, other girls who are doing OnlyFans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing OnlyFans.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  If they ring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist, I'm like, someone just asked me to stick a remote control up my arse. Like she's gonna be like can't relate like

• 1:00:37Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like at work babe, at the desk.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Alex Cooper?

  Gotta go into a meeting.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  I can't help you. Whereas I think for them, it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can all relate to each other and.

• 1:00:45Alex Cooper?

  That's amazing. And I think it's it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home, sure, are great, but then being alone, you're like, what the fuck?

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  And it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive, I think, and they're obsessing over, yeah.

• 1:01:02Alex Cooper?

  Totally. So you really immerse yourself in each of these episodes? Was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable?

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Do you know what it is? What is hard for me? It's like I'm open and pretty liberal, like I, you know, this, it's hard because there's stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from Love Island, because I'm, I was trying to always walk the line of like, I want to do this documentary. I want to be immersive. I want to get my hands dirty. But I also want people to like not get confused. I don't want this to become about me. So if I, you know, I was thinking on OnlyFans, I want to post something more sexy to like see how that. But then I'm thinking the only thing that will happen is then that photo of me will just get pulled out of there. Putting British tabloids out of context and then it's not going to become about what it's about. So it was me trying to be really immersive without

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing. Oh, my God, she's got her kit off or, you know. I'm sure this, when the show comes out, you know, there's gonna be, you know, I do this sex call and whatever and people are gonna, you know, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit. And I love that, but it's like, yeah, it was just trying to find the right.

• 1:02:10Alex Cooper?

  Right. Wait, in the porno, do you get naked?

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  You see, I maybe would have like got, you know, I wouldn't have like.

• 1:02:16Alex Cooper?

  Went topless or something?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  But yeah, I don't know.

• 1:02:18Alex Cooper?

  Really camp for who I am now.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it would have been, people would have been like, oh, you know, she's just. Yeah. And again, it's almost like the whole thing. I'm doing this documentary and I'm, I'm wanting to like break down these walls of like stigma and the way we pigeonhole women and then I'm the, I'm there. It was like a head fuck because I'm like, well, I can't go in my underwear too many times. And people will be like, well, she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked. So it's like, and I'm feeling the same stigma myself. It's like a matrix.

• 1:02:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I, when I was watching episode one and with the OnlyFans, there were, when two of the girls were shooting on the side, you made a comment and you're like, oh, my God, I have this like, I'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls. What, why did you feel that?

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  I think I I know the scene you're talking about, it just those two girls were so young and they, you know, I don't wanna sound patronizing. They probably like would think, oh, fuck off, we're fine. Like, mind your own business, grandma. Like, do you know what I mean? When I was their age, I would have been thinking, I'm literally making money. But I just think, I just, I saw especially more in one and the other. I was like, I thought it reminded me when I was her age and I was so like ambitious and I reckless and she might be way more mature than I am. And she might do this for the next ten years and smash it. And I hope that is the case. But you know, when someone's a lot younger than you as a girl and I just looked at her, I don't know, I just, just, I just felt. It's she was talking, reading out some messages she'd have from guys that were like pretty hardcore, like really emotionless.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  And I just thought, I hope that you're okay. Like, I hope, do you know what I mean? I just, and that sounds really fucking patronizing. But that's me being really honest of how I felt in that moment. I'm not, you know.

• 1:03:55Alex Cooper?

  I appreciate that.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  No judgment. I just, it's like more like a big sister feeling. I wanted to be like.

• 1:03:59Alex Cooper?

  Yes. I mean, I felt it while watching it. Cause I was like, oh, my God, like, I just wanna make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines. When that one girl mentioned like this guy like sent me my address and said, I know where you live. I was like, when it comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous. And I think that's something that's not talked about enough is like, sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does. But like this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, not other people that gossip of like what their day to day is.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  But like you say, it's like taking out the shadows. Like if your friend wants to have a sugar daddy, fine. But she needs to feel like she can tell you and where she's going rather than sulking off like into the darkness and not telling and putting themselves in danger.

• 1:04:42Alex Cooper?

  And feeling judged.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. So if they feel like safe and it's it's accepted, they can tell their, I'm gonna drop my pin. You can check that, you know, I'm safe. Cause it's like a murky world.

• 1:04:52Alex Cooper?

  It is. Which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest option?

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  Oh god, that's really hard because I feel like it's just down to the individual. Some people, you know, being a sugar baby just wouldn't work. Whereas, you know, other people being on, I couldn't spend that much time on my phone. I I hate how much time I spend on my phone as it is like doing Instagram and stuff, but I could not be that logged into a website, you know, so I yeah, I think it's person to person.

• 1:05:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, that's interesting because it's like if you are a super outgoing person, maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality. Whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever, like maybe OnlyFans or that could not be the case, like everyone's gonna feel differently.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  If you wanna be out and you wanna travel and you wanna be social, like being a sugar baby would be great or, you know, vice versa, I think, yeah.

• 1:05:48Alex Cooper?

  What, and okay, so now we're like wrapping up, like ha- having this conversation. I really appreciate this series and what you're doing. To kind of conclude in this conversation though, like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this? That are interested in getting into either camming or OnlyFans or porn or sugar baby.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  I think as hard as it is like to block out the outside noise of like what other people think you should be doing. Because I always think when people say always something bad, like, does it feel bad? If if it makes you feel good, go for it. But think, think about it, like, don't like just sleep on it a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as it may be to stick to them, I think try and go in with like your boundaries, this is what I'm gonna do. You know, I always think you with OnlyFans, that one of the massive issues is like the content leaking. If something which unfortunately at the moment, the leaking is such a problem, whatever you post, nine times out of ten will be leaked, so if you would just die if that was out and your family and friends saw it, then maybe you don't post it.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  If if you wouldn't, if you could own it, then do it. I think it's just like, yeah, having your boundaries and and what you can be happy with.

• 1:07:04Alex Cooper?

  I I love that because I feel like the even just the first episode, I was so interested and listening and really learning from it. And there's so many great things that I can't even imagine the rest of the series, like every single person listening, we have to go watch it when it comes out because I feel like the boundary thing, you're right, that is it. It's like watching these girls starting on OnlyFans. And the girls were like, I started posting this photo, but then when You you're so right when you earlier said like when when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a pi- picture of your tits. And your phone is in front of you. You never have to like interact and see the man. It's like it's a fake world almost in your mind.

• 1:07:47Alex Cooper?

  So you really have to keep in mind of like, what did I come into this believing in for myself is right? And how I'm gonna be able to sleep at night feeling good.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Alex Cooper?

  And I appreciate you saying that. You're right. Like nine times out of ten, these photos will be on the internet. And if you are okay with that, thrive bitch. But just know that line, cuz I don't think enough people talk about that.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:08:07Alex Cooper?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  And I think you you're right. And I think it's, you know, it's it's not about glorifying it or or condemning it. It's just being real like.

• 1:08:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like we're not here to judge and we're not saying like, everyone go sign up today. It's like it's like it's happening in the world. So we need to talk about it, especially because it's mostly women. But it's also like, let's just have an honest conversation about it.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  It's like I would say, you know, about reality TV when people it's so easy for people to condemn it. It's like no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right? So if you go into it with your eyes open, so if you are willing to go, you know, onto a TV show and expose yourself to the world. Or think about it, like don't do your sleep on it and think of the pros and the cons, make a list. I mean, it's easy for me. So I'm really impulsive. I literally make all my decisions like that. But I mean, yeah, it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything up.

• 1:08:53Alex Cooper?

  Totally. And I think, and then I have one last question, but I do think it was really cool cuz I was thinking about it when I was watching that first episode. And I was like, I feel like a really also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators. And being like, hey, I know you have no idea who I am. I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans. Do you have like five minutes of your time to just chat? Because your show.

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  I just forgot one area that really freaked me out. It's the referral thing. So other content creators, if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus. So that was one area that I was a bit like, oh, like, so I think, yeah, if you do speak to someone you trust. But I do think there's a bit of a like a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls.

• 1:09:35Alex Cooper?

  It's like an ulterior motive.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that's the only thing cuz they give that girl or boy, oh, boy, you know, this boy's like, you know, like a a bonus. If they get someone to sign up. So I think, yes, you just have to be really savvy.

• 1:09:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so definitely don't reach out to anyone, never mind. Just literally watch Liv's new show. Because it that is you're breaking it down and everyone has a different perspective. Last question.

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:09:59Alex Cooper?

  What was your biggest takeaway from creating this series?

• 1:10:05Speaker 03

  I think I touched on it briefly. It's just the interesting that we live in this world where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it.

• 1:10:18Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  The reason OnlyFans is what it is is because all the men in our society, the demand. So, and not that there's anything wrong with that, but I just think it's interesting. We're never looking at the people asking for, you know, whatever it is. We're always looking at the people providing it and, you know, and shaming them and looking down on them. But we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from next door. Like, he's the one asking for the feet videos. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:10:46Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  We've got a long way to go to move that, the sexism and the stigma. I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and, you know, it kind of humanizes these girls. I think it's very easy to dehumanize people that work in the sex industry. And I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online. But these are real people with real lives, with families, with partners, whatever.

• 1:11:15Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  And they should be treated like that.

• 1:11:18Alex Cooper?

  I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes. And exactly what you just said, we are, all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media and the world we live in.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 1:11:32Alex Cooper?

  And this show is like, no, let's humanize these people. Let's go into their bedrooms. Let's see their lives. Let's see the cars they drive. Let's watch them through day to day. And it's, I think it's amazing. Daddy gang, you need to go watch. It is going to be amazing. I love you. I'm so honored you're here. This was so fun.

• 1:11:48Speaker 03

  Dito.

• 1:11:49Alex Cooper?

  Thank you so much. Amazing.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:12:05Alex Cooper?

  The amount of things that are said on Love Island. That as someone from the United States, I had to Google furiously because I'm like, what is she saying? He's a melt. What does a melt mean? What is happening? What is going on? I'm Googling like a freak and I just was obsessed. I started speaking in the accent. Then it was awful. Then I had to move on, but I need to go through some of these terms and ask you to explain them for me.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  I have a problem with that. Down with the kids enough to actually get this. I might be sorry.

• 1:12:31Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you can start with, what the fuck does a melt mean?

• 1:12:35Speaker 03

  A melt, like it's so a drip? Do you say that in the States?

• 1:12:38Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 1:12:39Speaker 03

  Just like normally if you say about a guy, I go, it's got no backbone. They're just a drip, just like a wet rag.

• 1:12:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like we would say like, like a pushover, like weak.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, or maybe it's, it can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of times people will say it about a boy. You know, when they start to like a girl and they go soft, they go, oh, he's a melt. Like.

• 1:12:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:57Speaker 03

  It's that, you know, toxic masculinity thing of being like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a melt. If that's what it is.

• 1:13:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that makes sense. Okay, what about he pied me off?

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Like ghosted, like just.

• 1:13:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but you guys say pied instead of ghosted.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Well, we say ghosted, but pied is like, he ended it. He just broke up. Yeah.

• 1:13:15Alex Cooper?

  Got it. Okay, mugged off.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  The similar thing, like mugged up would be more just like, yeah, a guy just kind of tosses you to the side, like with not much explanation.

• 1:13:25Alex Cooper?

  And if you were saying someone's attractive, you guys would say?

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  He's fit. Yeah.

• 1:13:30Alex Cooper?

  Love that.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  And it has no like relation to their physical.

• 1:13:34Alex Cooper?

  Like what would you call someone if you're like, oh, he's fucked a lot of girls?

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Shagger?

• 1:13:39Alex Cooper?

  Shagger. Okay, we would say, I guess, like, I tried to do the accent, it came out so bad. It's like a mix between like Australian and like it's awful. Okay, so we would probably say like, he's a player or like a man whore.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, we say, we say fuck boy, but not, yeah, but yeah, or he's a shagger, like.

• 1:13:56Alex Cooper?

  Shagger.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  Shagger.

• 1:13:58Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what about?

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  That's stunning.

• 1:14:00Alex Cooper?

  So bad, so bad. Okay, cracking on, what does that mean?

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  Cracking on would normally mean like you meet a girl, you've exchanged numbers, you're going on a date, you're cracking on.

• 1:14:09Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, we would say like vibing.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Alex Cooper?

  Got it. Okay, what is grafting?

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  You know, um, I can't think of what the American term would be, but like working a girl, like you're DMing you, asking you out, he's putting the work, he's got the hard hat on, the boots, the shovel, like he is.

• 1:14:24Alex Cooper?

  He is in it to get you.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Doing everything.

• 1:14:27Alex Cooper?

  Like, do you see that as a negative kind of?

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:14:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay, like he's putting in work.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like you, they need to graft, like for sure.

• 1:14:34Alex Cooper?

  Cause I remember in the show, it was like, oh, he's really grafting or he's grafting. He's grafting, grafting, grafting.

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Or grafting if you're from the north.

• 1:14:41Alex Cooper?

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