Jake Paul Thinks We'll Live Forever

This is our full conversation with Jake Paul. We discuss Anti Fund's new $100M+ fund, why they're doubling down on AI, defense, robotics, and frontier technology, how Jake Paul built a media empire from Vine to boxing, the future of Most Valuable Promotions and women's boxing, what separates great founders from great celebrities, and why they're betting that the next wave of value creation will come from AI, hardware, energy, and the physical world. TBPN is made possible by: Ramp - https://ramp.com Public - https://public.com Cisco - https://www.cisco.com Console - https://www.console.com CrowdStrike - https://www.crowdstrike.com Figma - https://www.figma.com MongoDB - https://www.mongodb.com NYSE - https://www.nyse.com Railway - https://railway.com Shopify - https://www.shopify.com/ Codex - http://openAI.com/codex Sign up for TBPN’s daily newsletter at TBPN.com Follow TBPN: https://TBPN.com https://x.com/tbpn https://open.spotify.com/show/2L6WMqY3GUPCGBD0dX6p00?si=674252d53acf4231 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/technology-brothers/id1772360235 https://www.youtube.com/@TBPNLive

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• 0:00John Coogan?

  We got Jake Paul, he's here. Come sit down. Jeff Wu too. How you doing?

• 0:03Jordi Hays?

  Let's run it.

• 0:04Jake Paul?

  What's up, what's up?

• 0:05Jordi Hays?

  I hate it.

• 0:06Jake Paul?

  How are you? Good to see you. Good to see you. What's up, bro? How are you? Good to meet you.

• 0:10John Coogan?

  Tell us the news. You raised a bunch of money.

• 0:12Jake Paul?

  Bro, we-

• 0:13John Coogan?

  Smack that gong. Hundred million oversubscribed. Woo! There we go.

• 0:17Jake Paul?

  You can do it.

• 0:22Jake Paul?

  Wow, come on.

• 0:24John Coogan?

  Great to see you.

• 0:25Jake Paul?

  Great to see you.

• 0:26John Coogan?

  Tell us about the fund. Who do you raise money from? Are you talking to endowments now? Are these your friends? Is it all your money? What's going on there? You're good.

• 0:35Jake Paul?

  Yeah, a lot of our own money. We have a 10%, maybe even more. It's like 10, 12, 13, 14% GP commit.

• 0:42Jordi Hays?

  Getting in the game.

• 0:43Jake Paul?

  Yeah, our lead investor is Aquarian Holdings. So shout out to Rudy and Eric. They've believed in us for a long time. They doubled down into our growth fund. And it's been a great relationship with them. And then, yeah, just like other people that we know in our network.

• 1:00John Coogan?

  Yeah. Highlights from the fund so far?

• 1:03Speaker 03

  So I was gonna say like, I think going from more of just investing our own money, I think we are going more institutional, right? So Aquarian, they manage 27 billion plus as an insurance holding company. So I think we're just proving our sophistication as fiduciaries, as investors, to be like, hey, endowments, institutions, we can compound money faster and better than other VCs can for you.

• 1:25Jordi Hays?

  How is the strategy changing with the new fund?

• 1:29Jordi Hays?

  Is it changing?

• 1:31Jordi Hays?

  Like, like number of checks, check size, ownership, all that good stuff?

• 1:36Jake Paul?

  Yes, time has gone on. I think the barbell approach for us has been very successful. I think going big with bigger checks into growth stages in companies that we believe in with the best founders. You know, you don't bet against Palmer Lucky, Elon, Sam, the big names like that. And getting to fast DPI, you know-

• 1:58Jake Paul?

  Going into SpaceX and XAI, working with Jared Burchill to get into some of those rounds and then you know you're you're liquid very quickly. And so I think that's very attractive and putting bigger checks into into companies like that. And then on Venture One, early stage, you know, and getting in betting on founders from day one sometimes. And yeah, taking that more venture approach on that side of things. We've deployed our full Venture One. This is our Growth One. Going into Venture Two now, raising for that. And then pretty much fully deployed on Growth One. We've been working on it for the past, you know, eight months,

• 2:40Jake Paul?

  getting into a lot of these big companies and actually going into Growth Two already. And so we've just had tons of great access. And I think that's obviously the key. And just we're hustling and in all the right rooms, providing marketing support, consultant support on that side of things, which a lot of these companies need. That's what we've realized. And every room that we go into, whether it's, I mean, I won't say names, but pretty much everyone needs users.

• 3:07John Coogan?

  Sure.

• 3:07Jake Paul?

  And so

• 3:08John Coogan?

  Distribution.

• 3:08Jake Paul?

  You'd be surprised at the level of marketing knowledge that these companies have. It's like, day one, very basic. These are the most technical companies in the world, right? But they're not the the best at breaking through to to grow their their users. And so we've just been able to really help on on that side of things. And the most basic 30 minute call about marketing is extremely helpful for these companies.

• 3:35John Coogan?

  Yeah, take us through like, what are you actually talking to a tech company that might have their pitch dialed for investors or engineers?

• 3:43Jake Paul?

  Or even customers, once they get them on a call.

• 3:45John Coogan?

  Customers, but like, it's just that whatever story they're telling, it's not resonating with just the normal person. And I feel like you've gone so big with everything that you've done, that you've touched every part of America, the world globally. And you can probably offer more feedback and advice on just like, how to tell a story as a company that resonates outside of this tiny little You know, enclave in San Francisco.

• 4:13Jake Paul?

  Yeah, no, correct. I mean, I went from Vine to then it was YouTube, then Facebook popped off. Then Snapchat was the thing. Me and my brother were the first people making Snapchat stories like a full content. Evan Spiegel invites us out, asking us like how we like the app, what, what can we change in Venice? And then it went, um, you know, to all these different platforms, TikTok, Reel. So it's been however many years, like fourteen, fifteen years of knowing exactly how to talk to the audience and be relatable and grow brands and my own brands from Better, W, Anti-Fund, MVP,

• 4:55Jake Paul?

  becoming the, the biggest boxing company in the last four years. And so I could do it from a personal side, but I also understand it from a corporate side. And I think a lot of the times, you know, these companies raise all this money, they have a big balance sheet, they're printing cash, and they get really corporate with their messaging. And they wanna create like a one, two, three, four million dollar commercial. And I think oftentimes that doesn't reach the audience. And so it's actually just a lot of times telling them to be more relatable and to, to scale down and to, um, tell their story in a easier to understand way.

• 5:38Jake Paul?

  And obviously I'm summarizing and it depends on like what the company is, right? We've helped companies market, you know, towards engineers. Cause that, you know, there, there may be just an engineering product. And so it's like, how do we appeal to that side of things? So each case is, is different, um, but yeah, it's just second nature. And I think been pretty helpful.

• 6:03John Coogan?

  Do you remember the first piece of content you ever created?

• 6:07Jake Paul?

  I was born on camera, so my, my, and I didn't know that until like two years ago. My mom's like, look at this footage of you being born. I was like, oh, great. You've never shown me this. What are we doing, mom? Like you didn't, this is great part of the story.

• 6:23Jordi Hays?

  Influencer era, you know? Yeah.

• 6:26John Coogan?

  First time, where the first platform that you were on or the first series or the first, uh, like the first content where you're like, okay, this is, I'm taking this seriously.

• 6:35Jake Paul?

  Yeah, I would say it was Vine. So I downloaded Vine the first day it came out. It was promoted through, through Twitter. I was like, oh, this is super interesting. And I just started making videos in like my cafeteria and school and just doing random stuff. I was like the class clown. I loved making videos. Me and my brother had been on YouTube before that, just messing around, cooking up edits with our, with our video camera and posting it on YouTube. So we were naturally kind of like good at making the content. And when Vine came out, I thought it was super cool. I got to like forty followers. Everyone in the high school was like, this is hilarious. Your videos are funny.

• 7:16Jake Paul?

  Um, and then me and my brother got into an argument about like how to film a video. And I was like, bro, I have more followers than you. Like, shut up.

• 7:27Jake Paul?

  And I had like, yeah, forty followers and he had like twenty. And I logged him so hard that day. And that's what, that's actually what changed everything. Cause the next day, he started like putting a ton of effort into his Vine videos. And I was watching him. I was like, oh, that was really good. Oh, oh, he's really doing this. And then he got to like eighty followers. I was at like eighty. And then we just kept on putting more effort. And like two weeks later, one of the videos that we made went viral. And once we tasted that success, we both gained like five thousand followers. We were like, oh my gosh, we're famous. Like this is it.

• 8:04Jake Paul?

  We're the coolest people ever. Um, and once we figured out that recipe of like the level it took to make a viral video, we just kept on cranking that level out and.

• 8:19Jake Paul?

  It just one thing led to another and once we realized we could make money from it, I got paid like two hundred dollars for my first brand deal. And I was landscaping, I had my own landscaping company and I was making ten dollars an hour and I was like two hundred dollars for a six second video.

• 8:35Jordi Hays?

  And I don't have to be in the hot sun.

• 8:36Jake Paul?

  Exactly. And that was the motivation to just like take it even more serious.

• 8:42John Coogan?

  Has the nature of the competition between you and your brother changed?

• 8:46Jake Paul?

  Yeah, I think when we were younger, it was like very intense and still there. And we were just like young and it was actually good because there was no one else to compete with. We were the two biggest vloggers in the world. Um, and so I was, it was inspiration and competition at the same time. And then as we've gotten older, we're just like collaborative now and we're on the same team. Obviously, he's a general partner in Antifund and we work together on a lot of things and uh, everything that he does benefits me and vice versa. And so it's like

• 9:26Jake Paul?

  building out a, we're the testosterone Kardashians essentially. It's just like, I, a- any given day of the week, you gotta see one of our faces somewhere, so.

• 9:37Jordi Hays?

  The Kardashians of testosterone. How do you, how do you think about uh, capacity? Uh, you've got a great partner in Jeff with Antifund, but you know, multiple businesses, it feels like there's always some ceiling, maybe you haven't found it yet, but uh, yeah, where, what, what's the limit?

• 9:57Jake Paul?

  Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, every year I've just uh, continued to compound since I was sixteen years old. And I think it's just a testament to scale, team, having great partners on all different sides of the business and the best in class. Uh, from Gus, the best videographer in the world to Laura and all, all these people around are just top notch. And I think that's, that's been a massive part of it and then just continuing to.

• 10:31Jake Paul?

  You know, see ahead and know where the ball is going. I think that's one of my best attributes is is being a visionary and being able to pivot, move, change, adapt, and continue to grow my career that way. But again, I think it just goes back to team, and I'm inspired by people like Elon, where it's like, how do you have, you know, four, five, six of the biggest, some of the biggest companies in the world. I mean, obviously, he's a machine, and I don't stop. I work all the time around the clock. And it's like, even if I'm doing something fun, I'm filming it to be posted as content. So like, it's

• 11:16Jake Paul?

  just nonstop grind for the past, you know, 14 years, and I just love hard work.

• 11:22John Coogan?

  What's the future of boxing in America?

• 11:24Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, that's an interesting category, because it's not, you're going up against, you know, the biggest, the biggest names, the biggest balance sheets in the world, competing over a market that historically hasn't been a monopoly, but maybe is, you know, there are some efforts to try to create a monopoly in that space.

• 11:44Jake Paul?

  Yeah, it's not going to work. You know, I think so many people have tried to take over the sport of boxing, and it's just too diversified, too many sanctioning bodies with the belts, too many fighters and promoters and managers involved. And it's a sport that is always going to be, you know, scattered across the board. And I think our strategy on that was essentially, we're the WNBA of boxing, because we've cornered a market in women's boxing and believed in Amanda Serrano since day one. And that was really

• 12:25Jake Paul?

  the test case to say, okay, we can make a woman a massive star and take her from making $500 a fight to $5 million a fight. And no one is pushing women's boxing. They deserve to be pushed. Their fights are arguably more entertaining, especially than Floyd Mayweather, for sure, without a doubt. And...

• 12:47Jake Paul?

  We saw that and we were like, alright, let's go after women's boxing because it's untapped. And now we have, you know, seven out of the 10 pound for pound best women fighters and 40 overall. Some of the best up and coming talent. And that's where we found a little bit of a niche. Um, as well as being the leaders of working with Netflix. I think pay-per-view, there's so much piracy and so many issues with that. And so I was the first one to be like, alright, there was the TV era of boxing. Then there was the pay-per-view era. And then I was like, now we're in the streaming era.

• 13:31Jake Paul?

  And so realizing that we had to pivot the business model to be accessible where it's like, if you have Netflix or one of these subscriptions, you're not gonna want, you don't care. You're gonna, you're gonna pay the $7 a month or $10 a month or whatever it is now. Um, and getting distribution that way. Obviously, I'll probably still do pay-per-view fights here and there. But we're definitely moving into the, the streaming era of boxing.

• 13:58Jordi Hays?

  How do you think the?

• 13:58John Coogan?

  Tyson fight broke Netflix, right? Oh, yeah, it did, right? That literally broke the platform. For such a storied engineering team over there for decades.

• 14:07Jordi Hays?

  How do you, how have you approached negotiating with, you know, platforms like a Netflix? Like, what does your team look like for that?

• 14:16Jake Paul?

  Yeah, so my, my business partner and most valuable promotions, Nikita Svidarian is one of the best negotiators in the world. But he was the CFO at UFC when they, they sold to Endeavor. And he helped lead the sale and was a pertinent part of their organization for many years. And.

• 14:39Jordi Hays?

  So you think Dana took that personally?

• 14:41Jake Paul?

  Oh, yeah, that's, that's a whole big part of the beef. Um, it's not just me, it's the fact that, yeah, Nikita and I have, have teamed up together. Um, so, yeah, definitely a sore subject for, for Dana. And.

• 14:58Jake Paul?

  Yeah, I think it's just having the relationships and making the right fights at the right moments. And we've also, you know, put on amazing events and have great relationships with so many fighters. And so we're able to pull together the Ronda Rouseys, the Francis Nganous, the Nate Diaz's, the Mike Perrys, because we've always been fighter first. So people love working with us. We came into the world that was, I say it was like taxi and we're Uber in the fight world. The way we run things is like a startup professional treating fighters, right? We're on time, we're pay, you know, instantly. All these little

• 15:42Jake Paul?

  details, production, fighter kits, helping them, instant communication, social media tips, the list goes on. These things are all like super basic to me and the Kisa, but in the fighting world, it's like fighters will fight and then like not get paid for like a year. And the, just like, there's so many issues in the sport. So just by running it like a proper SF startup, we've, amongst many other things, but we, that's where the, why we've been able to become the number one promoter in the sport in four years, when a lot of these other people have been doing it for 30, 40, 50 years. I mean, Bob Arum, I don't even know, that guy's like 100 years old. He probably was alive when the T-Rexes

• 16:27Jake Paul?

  were running around. So it's like, just these small little changes are why we've risen to the top.

• 16:34Jordi Hays?

  How do you think the results of America 250 are going to impact the UFC? On one hand, the Gagey story of, you know, coming back from this, you know, really brutal knockout a couple of years ago to then, you know, getting, getting the belt is amazing, but at the same time, in the process, he took out, you know, a rising global superstar. And so I can make an argument that it's good or bad for the UFC, but I'm wondering how you processed it.

• 17:05Jake Paul?

  Yeah, look, I think the event overall was great and great for fight sports in general. And it was such an entertaining show. So I think overall for all of MMA, it's a net positive. And I think it just depends how Ilya comes back, right? I mean, I think Conor McGregor has lost so many times, but his brand has, you know, stayed up there because he just keeps on fighting. He keeps on coming back. He keeps on trying. And so I think it's up to Ilya on that one. But yeah, Justin Gage, he is like overnight superstar legend. And we'll see, you know, how far he can go from here at his older age.

• 17:50Jake Paul?

  But overall.

• 17:52Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, what's the mindset of a fighter that's rising, you know, through the ranks? When you have a fight like Ilya just had, you're taking damage that's gonna probably stay with you in some capacity forever. Are fighters like pretty acutely aware that at any point you could take a beating? That like you makes it a lot harder to come back from? And I'm sure you've gone through.

• 18:19Jake Paul?

  Yeah, look, I think they're definitely aware of it. I think the thing is, is that they're just addicted to the sport. And it's really all they know. And they're willing to sacrifice for that thrill and for that entertainment, for the love of the game. So I don't think they necessarily care. And you know that going into the sport, that it's brutal and tough and rough on the body. And it's gonna affect your health potentially in the long run. I think people deal with the effects of injuries differently. But to each their own. And I think a lot of fighters know what they're signing up for.

• 19:04Jordi Hays?

  How did you process the enhanced games?

• 19:10Jake Paul?

  Um, I always thought it was dumb. Um, yeah, from day one.

• 19:18John Coogan?

  Why? Why? It sounds like a good idea. You take something, uh, Olympics is entertaining. You add steroids fueled the fire. Like, this is joyous.

• 19:27Jake Paul?

  It's the best people in the world. Like, you could take something, but the best people in the world are the ones who are the most dedicated to it for twenty years straight. So there's no replicating that twenty year dedication just because.

• 19:42Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, you take somebody that's like fifth best in the world, which seems not that far away from number one. And you give them all the PEDs, but the, the gap between five and, and gold is actually so big that it, you can give them, again, give them a horse worth of, uh, of testosterone and it's not gonna make up the difference.

• 20:02Jake Paul?

  Yeah, no, and, and again, I, I believe that's what happened. I, I didn't watch it. I, I saw some clip outs, but I heard the production was, was bad and that no one beat any records. And I think.

• 20:16Jordi Hays?

  Till the very end.

• 20:17Jake Paul?

  There was some, but there were some like people who weren't on PEDs that beat the runners. I don't know, but my fiance is Olympic gold medalist and she was like, I, if anyone, she just won, um, in Milan and she was like, if anyone tried to like do the enhanced games to beat her, like she was like, no one's beating me still.

• 20:42Jake Paul?

  So.

• 20:43John Coogan?

  Well, what about more broadly, health maxing, looks maxing, peptides? Do you have a take on the current trend?

• 20:50Jake Paul?

  Yeah, look, I think it's amazing, right? Like you see, uh, today, you know, they just launched the new imaging.

• 21:00John Coogan?

  Yeah, mid journey.

• 21:01Jake Paul?

  Yeah, mid journey. It's like the, the world we're living in is so exciting. And I've told my friends, you know, we, we were in SF with um, the Merge Labs guys and Alex Malania was like, yeah, we're all gonna live forever. Like we're just gonna like transfer our mind into some robotic body and so I think this whole like health.

• 21:23John Coogan?

  Do you believe it?

• 21:24Jake Paul?

  Yeah, thousand percent.

• 21:25John Coogan?

  You do?

• 21:25Jake Paul?

  Yeah, one hundred percent.

• 21:27Jordi Hays?

  Do you think that'll be good? Do you think that'll be good for the fight game? Cause I feel like there's a lot of insane athletes out there that would be incredible fighters, but they're just not willing to take that level, to make the sacrifice to take that level of damage. And if we can solve, you know, CTE and, and you know, some of these other things, uh, it could actually make the, the most violent sports.

• 21:50Jake Paul?

  I don't think so. I think if someone's like afraid of getting hit in the first place, they're not gonna be a good fighter when like, even if they transfer into a robotic body. But also I don't think it'd be entertaining. I think like I'm, I'm very, you know, long on traditional human sports in terms of a business model because the story is what matters and everyone's on the same playing field. So when you put in like robots and all these perks and extra things and blah, blah, blah. I, I don't think people will enjoy it as much.

• 22:26Jordi Hays?

  What's your timeline to a humanoid being able to beat you in boxing?

• 22:30Jake Paul?

  I'm sure very soon. Like, I mean, bro, if I'm going up against a metal robot, like I'd probably lose, so.

• 22:38Jordi Hays?

  I know, but, but, but speed, speed matters.

• 22:42John Coogan?

  The will, the human spirit.

• 22:44Jordi Hays?

  The human spirit. You're long the human spirit.

• 22:46Jake Paul?

  Yeah, I think a computer spirit.

• 22:49Jordi Hays?

  Being able to do something on, you know.

• 22:50Jake Paul?

  There's no spirit, they just don't even feel the pain. It's just like straight up robot.

• 22:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 22:55Jake Paul?

  It's like iRobot in real life.

• 22:57John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:57Jake Paul?

  It's happening right now.

• 22:59John Coogan?

  What, what about on the investing side? How much of, uh, your current thinking is like software only singularity, invest in the token path versus stuff like bio, health, defense tech, uh, hardware, robotics, all the next gen stuff that's maybe not product market fit, not billion dollar ARR's yet, but interesting.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's really both, right? So. We're pretty AI maxies here. Sure. So we're in OpenAI and then going down that stack, right? So you go down the inference providers like the modals. Sure. And you go to semiconductors, we're in etched, which is an inference ASIC. I love etched. We just did Helion, which is a fusion company.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  So I think, in some sense, I think the software game is gonna be won by an OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX. Sure. Google, maybe about cognition and some of these like.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like second tier. The power law is being realized. Yeah, because I think there's just so much capital for just all the compute. Sure. All the models are getting bigger and bigger.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  So I think, I mean, partly we're here to just visit also Gundo as well, right? Oh, sure. Show. So I think it is like defense tech, robotics, manufacturing. Yeah, energy. I think getting to atoms is more and more important. Yeah, going forward. And then secondly, I think bio cross AI is also very, very new. I think we're just texting with Sam Altman. He's like, yeah, we're like, it's still really early. Like he wasn't like, hey, there's like obvious. Yeah. Like winners there yet. So I think in terms of like finding that next wave, I think that will be robotics, hardware, bio.

• 24:36Jordi Hays?

  What about celebrity brands? What's your framework for a successful celebrity brand?

• 24:42Jake Paul?

  Yeah, I mean, I think we're not as excited around those often. I think it has to be like.

• 24:49Jordi Hays?

  Leave it to me, buddy.

• 24:50Jake Paul?

  Yeah, exactly. No, seriously. And yeah, I think it's unless it's like the Kardashians or someone at that level, then it's, you know, very difficult. So we've been way more selective and then, you know, there's just way more upside on the, on the tech and software side of things versus like CPG.

• 25:11Jake Paul?

  And that's where we're spending our time, right? We're fiduciaries. So at the end of the day, and for our own money. So at the end of the day, it's like, where's, where's time best spent? And that's, that's really how we think about it.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Will you be? I think to me like celeb is just like a solve for distribution. But I like, but I think.

• 25:30Jordi Hays?

  But it's not a full solve.

• 25:31John Coogan?

  Because distribution is a flywheel.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  It's a half solve.

• 25:34John Coogan?

  Distribution is not, is not convert a million people over to this one time.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:38John Coogan?

  It's how are you going to continue to grow and lead in the past?

• 25:42Speaker 03

  I think product is actually most important.

• 25:43John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  I think choosing the right market and the right product is everything. Distribution is just gasoline on the fire. Um, and then I think second, I think Jake is actually very special as a celeb entrepreneur, right? Like.

• 25:55John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  His story of just like, you know, being a landscaper, right? Like, I think a lot of celebrity folks that we've crossed paths with, right? They were really good at singing or dancing or playing a ball sport.

• 26:05John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Since they're like thirteen.

• 26:07John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  So they never actually had a like, actually like hustle their first brand deal, actually think about business.

• 26:14John Coogan?

  Yeah, tell a story.

• 26:15Jordi Hays?

  Or, or they, or they, or they're well known, but they don't have an, an owned audience, right?

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 26:22Jordi Hays?

  Like, it's very different, like, somebody that's posted every single day for, you know, fifteen years to launch something.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  I think that's why, like, NFL players are very hard to cross over because, like, one, their face is not even recognizable because they're in helmets all the time. And then two, the NFL owns their distribution, right? Like NFL is their distribution channel. They don't have an audience that they're used to speaking towards on a daily basis. So I think the internet generation folks are interesting because they own that distribution. And I think I'm lucky to work with Jake because I think Jake has the hybrid of both, right? Like, he's mainstreamed on the Netflix platforms as a professional athlete and has some respect of actually being good at a craft and an art and a sport. Plus he comes with like a, what, like two hundred million followers across different channels? So I think that's where it's like, like an experiment for us where it's like, okay,

• 27:10Speaker 03

  we have a touch into mainstream, a touch into internet, and I think there's also just like a hardcore capitalism, like heart that we're like, hey, how do we monetize the opportunity set?

• 27:21John Coogan?

  Are, are haters a source of strength? We were talking to Alex Karp about this. He says all the AI leaders have only haters, no fans. And he was saying, I at least have fans. I have a lot of haters, but I have fans. Uh, are haters a source of strength? Do, i- i- in the fullness of time, are you glad you have both fans and haters?

• 27:42Jake Paul?

  Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, I don't think anyone who does good things in this world or big things in this world doesn't have haters. I mean, it's the, it's the day one story and. I honestly, you know, since day one, uh, when I first went viral, the video I was talking about, like, I instantly, yeah, instantly, instantly, people in my school started hatings. Like, I don't even, I don't even remember life without haters.

• 28:10Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, your, your mom, you know, took that video when you were born. I'm sure some of the nurses were like, yeah, this kid.

• 28:16John Coogan?

  They're like, oh, fuck this guy.

• 28:18Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:20Jake Paul?

  No, you have to have it and, you know, good news travels fast, bad news travels faster and the, the haters actually will talk about you more and say bad things. But at the end of the day, the people don't really remember what was said. They just remember your, your name and your face. Uh, and so you could do with that what you want and, you know, it's really, they're adding to the algorithm at the end of the day. So it's really just math and if you just have fans that are saying things, you know, let's say that's 10,000 people, but, add 10,000 haters in there and now 20,000 people are talking about you and it just adds to clicks, views, talk, trending. Uh, so that's the way I've always looked at it and,

• 29:06Jake Paul?

  yeah, the, the biggest and best people in the world all are also the, the most hated.

• 29:11John Coogan?

  Ferrari Luce has a lot of haters. Will you be getting one?

• 29:15Jake Paul?

  Say it again?

• 29:15John Coogan?

  The Ferrari Luce, the new electric vehicle from Ferrari. Are you in the market?

• 29:20Jordi Hays?

  You gotta be careful, cause if you want any of those Halo cars, you know, this is gonna be permanent. I, uh, I know you might wanna F80 at some point. You gotta be really careful. I just want you to be really careful with what you're saying right here.

• 29:31Jake Paul?

  This is a political answer. No comment.

• 29:35John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 29:36Jake Paul?

  That shit's ass. No comment, no comment, no comment.

• 29:41John Coogan?

  Uh, it's a lot of fun. Well, thank you so much for coming on down.

• 29:43Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, congrats on the new fun. Have fun down in El Segundo. Hopefully, uh, give our best to everyone. At, uh, the South Bay, I'm sure you guys are gonna be spending a lot of time there post SpaceX IPO. It's just gonna be more and more action.

• 29:57John Coogan?

  Let me close out by telling everyone about the New York Stock Exchange. Wanna change the world? Raise capital at the New York Stock Exchange. We were off for a couple of days. We'll see you back at 11:00 AM next week.

• 30:08Jordi Hays?

  Is an IPO like on the, on the, on the list?

• 30:11Jake Paul?

  We got some ideas of things. We're cooking, dog. We're cooking.

• 30:17John Coogan?

  Flashbang out. Leave us five stars on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Sign up for our newsletter at tbpn.com. And thank you for tuning in today. Goodbye.

• 30:28Jake Paul?

  Nice.