#284 - New Göbekli Tepe Controversy & Earth's Next Magnetic Pole Flip | Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards

Watch this episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Jimmy Corsetti and Dan Richards "Bright Insight" and "DeDunking the Past," investigate ancient lost civilizations, and the mysteries of antiquity. SPONSORS http://ketone.com/dannyjones - Save 30% off your first subscription order & receive a free 6-pack. https://bit.ly/4goQWyL - Get the DraftKings app today & use code DANNYJONES for $200 in bonus bets. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. GUEST LINKS Jimmy's YouTube channel - @BrightInsight Dan's YouTube channe - @DeDunking FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://x.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Kellogg, Brown & Root 12:41 - Elon Musk drama 17:17 - Nazi Archeology 23:05 - Who secretly funded Hitler 25:00 - Fauci's preemptive pardon 29:14 - Hunter Biden 40:19 - Origins of Jimmy & Dan 46:24 - Secrets of Baalbek 01:01:37 - Pyramid power plant theory 01:13:14 - Pyramid chemical factory theory 01:23:28 - Ancient stone-softening chemicals 01:39:52 - War against archeology 01:47:58 - Flint Dibble vs. Graham Hancock 01:58:57 - Egyptian vase controversy 02:08:46 - Archaeologist cancel culture 02:16:00 - Gobekli Tepe controversy 02:27:02 - Society of American Archaeology DEI Hires 02:36:59 - The eye of the Sahara 02:42:06 - Evidence for Atlantis 02:59:48 - Pole shifts: the Gothenburg Magnetic Excursion 03:10:43 - What a modern cataclysm would look like 03:17:20 - New Gobekli Tepe controversy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Danny Jones?

  When did you go to Iraq?

• 0:08Speaker 01

  Uh, 09 and 10.

• 0:09Danny Jones?

  09 and 10, okay.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  Which was an interesting time to be there because they had already started the withdrawal. So I was witnessing like them ship out hundreds of tanks and everything else. And at that time, so I was in northern Iraq in Mosul and Telfar. And what was interesting is since the United States announced that they were going to stop, were going to withdraw, so they stopped shooting at us. They stopped attacking us because they're like, just let them leave, let them leave. And so attacks were far, you know, few and far between. But it was truly interesting to witness the withdrawal of such, all that equipment. As well as to see like, it kind of like, put the nail in the coffin to understand that that whole war was bullshit. Because it's like, we are still there, people were still dying. Not as often as before, because like I said, they were, they stopped attacking largely, but not entirely.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  So it's like every person from there on out that died, it's like, this is literally for nothing. So that, that, it didn't occur to me in that exact moment, but once I got home in the years following, I was like, I just started to realize, I'm like, this was not okay.

• 1:06Danny Jones?

  How old were you when you went over there?

• 1:08Speaker 01

  25 and I was 26 when I left. I was actually, I was kind of older because most people, I mean, there's certainly people older than me, but a lot of soldiers over there, there was a few people they deployed with that weren't even 21. Couldn't even, couldn't even buy a beer, but there they are with a fucking machine gun.

• 1:21Danny Jones?

  So crazy, man.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, so I was, I mean, I wasn't the oldest guy, but a lot of guys in their early twenties. So me being 25 and 26 when I was there, I was kind of like, I was older than my sergeant, my team leader. So that was interesting.

• 1:35Danny Jones?

  Hmm, yeah. Yeah, man, I've had a lot, I had so many people on here who went over there, like a lot of warfighters that went over to Iraq and Afghanistan and saw a lot of death and carnage and destruction, like, like you were just saying, before they were even 21 years old. And it's like, it is just ravaged that, man.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Dude, the fallout is still happening. I know a handful of people that have killed themselves and, um, and then I, my best friend was killed in Afghanistan. And that, the fallout from that, he was the oldest of six siblings. And what that did to his family is...

• 2:13Speaker 01

  It's still carrying on. It's the most heartbreaking thing. Yeah, you know, in fact, while we're talking about this, I mean, I'm not the first to say it. But if people want to look into a conspiracy involving Iraq and Afghanistan, look into KBR, which is Kellogg Brown and Root. Have you heard of that company? No. Okay, this is good. So Kellogg Brown and Root does all the logistics and supply chain for the United States military and government. So for example, when we're in Afghanistan and Iraq, they supply all the combat housing units, all the food, all the fuel. They are the logistics. And so they won the no bid, one, they got the no bid contract. And do you know who was the CEO or for Kellogg Brown and Root?

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Before the 2001 or 2000 election with George W. Bush when he had taken office? Wasn't Dick Cheney. It was Dick Cheney. It was Dick Cheney. Dick Cheney. They scrubbed the Wikipedia page on this. There used to be a ton of info on it. You could go through and look at the prior history. But Dick Cheney had stepped down from Kellogg Brown and Root when he got nominated as Vice President under George W. Bush. But I'm like, people need to connect the dots on this. And I have heard other people speak about it. I'm not the first to do it. But it's like, follow the money. People were all talking about, oh, it's Halliburton. It's the oil. It's the oil. I'm like, we didn't take Iraq's oil. In fact, I mean, ExxonMobil has like their stake in it and all that, but we ultimately did not pump that oil out and take it.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  I'm like, if people want to find the conspiracy, it's Kellogg Brown and Root because they had overcharged and you can find New York Times articles on this. They had overcharged by many, many billions of dollars. And people started raising red flags. It's like, what's going on here? Like, what, you know, and so you connect the dots. I'm like, I bet you anything that Dick Cheney, or here's my question. Let me rephrase it. How many shares of stock did Dick Cheney own in Kellogg Brown and Root? After stepping down from that company while we were still there? Was he still making money on that, on that company? Because again, it was no bid contract. So, you know, whoever worked for Kellogg, people, the higher ups at Kellogg Brown Root certainly profited greatly off that. Yeah, I thought it was Halliburton that was over there. Oh, they were there too.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  So it was both. Yes, in fact, the, I think those two companies had merged. I think Halliburton and KBR ended up becoming one. I'd have to check this. Okay, Steve, can you find it? Or one may have been a subsidiary of the other. Oh, okay, I see. Yeah. Helog Brown and Rip. Yeah, KBR. Next time you have a veteran on, ask them because they're the reason why we had steak and lobster tail every Sunday in Iraq. It wasn't Maine lobster, but it was, swear to God. Now, and these weren't ribeyes. These were like boiled steaks. They weren't particularly good.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Halliburton's construction subsidiary.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Oh, is there, oh, wow. So all the housing units, and I could tell you how overpriced this was. Our housing units, they said, were like 30,000 US dollars, and that's as of 2009. These things were, I made jokes with people. We were all joking about, like, there's no way you couldn't build this for like a few grand at Home Depot. Yeah. And they were charging $30,000. These were just box houses. These were the most, they weren't insulated. But, you know, between the fuel, logistics, the housing units, as well as paying for the cargo shipping and everything else for, because like, for example, with the tanks. You know, you could fly in tanks on C-17s, but most of them come over on boats. And so it's like, well, who's paying the shipping carriers? And imagine how much that must cost to ship heavy equipment. Oh, yeah. Hundreds of millions of tons of it, too.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  So that's, yeah, that's a wild one. The Iraq thing, like, I'm very proud to say it now. I didn't know it at the time because I was a senior in high school in 9/11. Which is such an impressionable age. And my dad was a Vietnam vet. Both my grandparents were two vets. Wow. And I was just, and I saw the movies. I'm like, Black Hawk Down. I'm like, I'm gonna go be a patriot and. Yeah. And so I truly believed in liberating the people of Iraq. And I worked with this guy who was actually a refugee from Iraq. He had fled with his siblings in the late 90s when, because he was from Al Basra in southern Iraq, which a lot of people don't know, there was a civil war there in the late 90s where they tried to overthrow Saddam. And they lost, because Saddam sent in his revolutionary, Revolutionary Guard and the tanks and obliterated them.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  And then he sent the Revolutionary Guard to every household and took the eldest son from every house, which included his. His brother, who was seventeen at the time, was not a fighter and he was never seen or heard from again. So from that point onwards, Ali Al Tahaemi was his name, and I don't know where he's at. Um, hated Saddam and he volunteered as an interpreter, a United States soldier interpreter. There's a difference between like Iraqi interpreters, but he was a United States soldier and he had deployed there because he, he wanted, he had, you know, it was a blood vengeance. Uh, but he inspired me to enlist because I'm like, his story was incredible. I'm like Saddam Hussein is the modern day Hitler. We gotta liberate the Iraqi people. And then when I was there, I quickly realized, I'm like, these people don't want us here. We're, let me tell you something. You imagine a war zone?

• 7:06Speaker 01

  This was the biggest surprise of my life. We're driving through Mosul and I realize that these people are just trying to go to work. They're trying to take their kids to school. This is a war zone, but no one's shooting at us. And meanwhile, people just starting to get on with their day to day lives. And I'm like, in the looks on their faces. I've never seen such utter disdain in my life. And I realized I'm like, oh, we're ruining these people's lives. You know, they, please leave, you know, like is what the, is what they were telling us. And here's something else that surprised me. So we'd go to Iraqi police stations to train their IPs. To, to, you know, take control of the country. Once we were going to leave. And so we would communicate with them through interpreters. And this is something that surprised me is that they would start and end every sentence with the word invader.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  They'd say, ask, tell the invader this, looking right at me. And I'm like, oh no. I'm like, I don't look at myself as an invader. I'm here to help you. This is what in Fox News told me. You know, I'm trying to save you guys from having a nine 11 in your own, you know, fool, fool Jimmy. So I felt like, um, it was very a humbling experience because I went from, I could never have believed that my own government would have sent me over there. For a lie and it was a lie. Um, it was a lie because, uh, you know, it would be one thing to have bad intelligence and make some mistakes along the way. But none of those mistakes have been rectified or addressed. Um, and there's a half a million civilians that were killed there. Women and children and old people, you know, non combatants. And I'm like, a half a million.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  And, and all the fallout from all the soldiers that have come home and gotten in trouble or killed themselves or people that have been maimed. So yeah, sorry to start this off on a dark note.

• 8:45Danny Jones?

  No, it's such a, it's such a, it's such a crime, man. And it's so obvious today. Like, they can't get away with it anymore, right? They can still do it, but they can't get away with it anymore. Like with the way, like with nine eleven, the internet was nothing like what it is now. We didn't have, we didn't have iPhones in nine eleven, did we?

• 9:01Speaker 01

  No, that was two thousand eight.

• 9:02Danny Jones?

  Two thousand eight, right?

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Maybe oh seven, maybe.

• 9:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So there was, it was, the, the virtual digital internet landscape was nothing like what it is today. And now like with the wars that they're still trying to get away with, what they are getting away with basically now, well, hopefully it's going to change now that Trump's president, but.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:18Danny Jones?

  You know, it, it's, it's just stunning to see how the world is changing and how like, going back to Halliburton and those companies that are getting those no bid contracts. I wonder who's going to get the contracts to rebuild in Ukraine.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:32Danny Jones?

  And, you know, Gaza.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, we'll pay for that. Don't you worry. Dan, you're a veteran as well, brother.

• 9:38Danny Jones?

  Didn't BlackRock get the bid to rebuild Ukraine or something?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  I thought I, I saw that somewhere, but I don't, I didn't do a deep dive. I don't know.

• 9:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  But of course.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Dan, you're a veteran as well, right, brother?

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see, I didn't have to do anything. I was just on the reserves and fortunately I didn't. Like I was out by the time nine eleven happened. And so I, I knew people that went over, but I didn't have to do anything. But, um, one thing that's always interesting about this stuff to me is as ever since Vietnam, we have this kind of consistent thing where the American people are always looking tongue in cheek at the wars that they served in. But if you look before that, you find very little of that. You find very little of that from Korea, clearly very little of that from World War Two for obvious reasons. But even you go back to like the Spanish American war and stuff where you can look at it historically and be like, man, it's a little dicey. How the fuck are we getting that exactly? You didn't see what, it, it was the, the advent, in my opinion, the advent of putting the, uh, the person in the trench with the video camera.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  That's what really changed it. It got American people to just look at this stuff in a different light.

• 10:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  And now with the internet, like you're saying, I mean, it's, it's completely different. Now the shit, I mean, the, I'm sure, could you imagine what the fuck would your drill sergeants have done if somebody was live streaming their bullshit on basic training? I see all the time. This guy's like, oh yeah, this is our basic training today. Here's what I'm doing. I'm, what the, man, I would have been dead. They would have shot me. They would have, they'd have court martialed my ass. Not literally shot me, but seriously, that'd have been considered treason. And now they're just like, oh yeah.

• 11:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So BlackRock, yeah, I guess it just says that BlackRock is involved in the rebuild, rebuilding efforts and, uh. It says according to Phillips Hildebrand, Vice Chairman of BlackRock, the development fund for Ukraine will include at least 500 million from countries, development banks, and other grant providers, and 2 billion from private investors.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:25Danny Jones?

  Lot of money running around.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  BlackRock.

• 11:28Danny Jones?

  Lot of money floating around over there.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  You guys want to get involved in the war business?

• 11:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  You know, you guys, you know.

• 11:36Danny Jones?

  Dude, it's like every conspiracy ties back to war. Everything ties back to the military industrial complex. And like, things that you wouldn't even imagine tie back to like, military do.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Props to President Trump, who just got inaugurated yesterday, because he was, he was the first, to my knowledge, since JFK to say the words military industrial complex, and he had said that years ago.

• 11:58Danny Jones?

  Did he say it?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  He, yes, not recently, but he had said, you could find a quote, I, I saw it, you know, and heard it with my own eyes and ears, but he said, you know, there is a, you know, military industrial complex, that's what people call it, he said something along those lines, you know? And so that's like, I'm like, alright, he's one of the good guys, but I've long thought that I'm very pro-Trump and, you know.

• 12:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Leave negative comments right now.

• 12:20Danny Jones?

  Right, right. It's just so fascinating, you know, it's the first time in a long time we've had somebody who's just been advocating for peace, and he's a Republican, right? That's, when's the last time that happened?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:33Danny Jones?

  It's backwards. Seems like it's backwards.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Refreshingly. Everything seems backwards.

• 12:38Danny Jones?

  No, it feels optimistic, man. You see Elon doing the hail Hitler?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, people are...

• 12:45Danny Jones?

  What was that about, dude?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  So, let me, let me defend him. I'm like, there's no way he was doing anything related to Nazis. It was a Roman salute, and, you know, he is passionate about the Roman Empire, and if you, they all left out the context, which was afterwards, which is that I throw my heart out to you, and I'm like, there's, look, he's, some people say he has Asperger's, he's kind of an oddball, and that's not to be disparaging at all, I consider him a genius.

• 13:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  And I think he's one of the good guys. I really, I adore him, but, I'm like, no, that, that wasn't anything related to Nazis. It just wasn't.

• 13:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  Important some or not, but, but this one...

• 13:20Speaker 01

  We got the clip here.

• 13:21Danny Jones?

  Is there volume or what?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  This one really matters. And I just want to say thank you for making it happen. Thank you.

• 13:34Danny Jones?

  Did he at least think though, like, like, maybe it's a little close?

• 13:37Speaker 02

  My heart goes out to you.

• 13:38Danny Jones?

  Right there.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Right, right, right. I think maybe, I think maybe he's like, you know, he's such like a social media savant. He knew that I'm gonna do this Roman salute and half, most people are gonna think it's a Hitler salute.

• 13:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  So it's just gonna get a lot of attention and stir up some controversy.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think he was, my best guess, and I don't know the guy, I think he was being sincere and the Roman salute is not the same thing as the Nazi salute, although the Nazis got it from the Romans, but there's a difference there, you know, like-

• 14:04Speaker 02

  What is the Roman salute?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Back, uh, do you wanna answer this? I mean, I know that back in times, uh, of the Roman times-

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Sorry, demonetization for you, Dan.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  The people would show, they'd throw their hearts to the Caesars because they love them and so that's where it came from. It was a sign of great respect. But it's nothing related to anything against Jews. This isn't about committing a Holocaust. It was just a, a symbol of respect and love.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  And, I mean, Elon Musk is, is one of those people that has made, he keeps talking about like, how often do you think about the Roman Empire?

• 14:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  And-

• 14:35Speaker 02

  He does, he does say that stuff a lot. It, it, I mean, if I may, I, I find it pretty, um, I, I think it's the opposite of a social media savant move. I think it's kind of a, this is kind of, and you should have probably thought about this a little more. He was probably just, I think Jim's right, where he's just, he's enthusiastic and he's just like, "I love you guys, I love Rome." But that's the kind of thing that, I mean, it's, it's too polarizing. Uh, you, there's certain people that like, there's a huge swath of the population that is too stupid to even like, look at the context of a quote. You give them a tiny little snippet and they're just gonna take that, they won't even look what came before or after. Something like that is, feeds right into all of their hate. And so I, I, personally, I think that was kind of a bad move on his part, although it definitely went viral.

• 15:17Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, the CNN, I saw a CNN clip of these two women talking about it. They were just like, "Oh, well, you can look with your own eyes and you can see what he did and you can make your own decision. Uh, I don't know how great that was, probably wasn't the best thing. Uh, I suggest you look at it for yourself, uh, kinda terrifying."

• 15:35Speaker 01

  I will say, and one of the reasons why I'm passionate about defending Elon, putting aside all the freedom of speech and what he's done with X- But I myself have been blasted as a Nazi.

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• 17:12Speaker 01

  I just for sharing my ideas and lost ancient civilizations. I've been called anti-Semitic. I've been called that I'm spreading dangerous Nazism. Particularly because I shared the swastika, which is arguably the most-

• 17:25Danny Jones?

  The Nazis stole that, too.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Exactly. A lot of people don't, are not aware that it's a prehistoric symbol that dates back approximately 10,000 years and is found on five continents around the world. And, you know, so take all the terrible Nazi stuff aside. Throw those people away as far as the conversation. But I had shared because I'm like, I consider it strong suggestive evidence that ancient humans were transoceanic, that they were traversing the continents and the oceans many thousands of years before we- taught in school and I had sat on sharing that swastika for like six months because I knew I knew that I would get heat for it. And in back of my mind, I'm like, I just never want to be called a Nazi. Like, I take great ombre to that. I mean, I mean, there's, I went over and volunteered for Iraq because I looked at Saddam Hussein as being the modern day Hitler.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  And I'm like, I wanted to fight against that. And I'm like, it's, it's just, I said this before, I'm like, it is a grown up conversation. You have to look at the swastika as something that has nothing to do with Hitler. He bastardized it. He ruined it for everybody.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  But it was a symbol of peace and

• 18:28Speaker 02

  He turned it, he turned it diagonal, right?

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he flipped it or angled it or whatever he did.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  That's the Hindu version right there.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, you know, so to anyone listening that's not familiar, you know, the Native Americans utilized the swastika dating back approximately 2,200 years at the Hopewell mound in modern day Ohio. You'll find it in the American Southwest, the Yavapai Indians, the Pima, as well as the, is it the Hopi Indians? I'm getting that right. Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  It's, you see it in almost not quite every Native American's culture's iconography, but they've got those sacred circle things that quite frequently will incorporate the line coming off of it. Like I said before, to me, it seems like it's a, a symbol for the, the cardinal directions, north, south, east and west. And then it's just a symbol for the passage of time. The line comes off of it symbolizing that line moving, the north is turning. And I could be wrong, but that makes a lot more sense than the ancient Hopi hating Jews, right?

• 19:27Speaker 02

  But that's where, that's where the conversation, where it is frustrating, where it's like, I draw the parallel sometimes. If you're wanting to discuss how well they made the Audubon, we don't have to talk about Hitler's benefits as a leader or his shortcomings as a leader or the Holocaust or all that, even though he was intricately involved, intimately involved in the construction of the Audubon. It has all to do with that. We just talk about road construction. And it's the same thing here. We're just talking about whether or not this symbol jumped the Atlantic and the Pacific. That's really the, the crux of this, where we're talking about like lost civilizations and shit. But they tried to water that down and turn it into, we are just talking about racism. And that's the same as with Elon's speech. He, he gives them a loose thread to pull on that some people will, that's all they're going to see is that, well,

• 20:12Speaker 02

  he did that. All some people are going to see is, well, Jimmy talked about a swastika. Well, it has all to do with what Jimmy was saying. It could have been any symbol. It just happens to be.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, to give my haters, you know, a fair play here, I did make a tweet. So I had visited Baalbek, Lebanon a year ago, September, and there was there's swastikas throughout the site.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  Really?

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's wild. And I had shared a post on Twitter that said, did Hitler and the Nazis know something about ancient civilizations that we don't? And that's when they started calling me a Nazi. I'm spreading dangerous Nazism. But this was a very sincere question, because there was something called Nazi archaeology.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Himmler and they had allocated enormous resources to go look for the the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant. They were looking for Thor's hammer, which is a mind, because like, what? Like, why? What made them inclined to do this? And like, as we shared, you shared before, it's like, all right, Himmler had an interest in this stuff. But I'm like, why? Where does this come from? Why were they so obsessed? And I'm not talking about anything Aryan. I could care less about the color of ancient skin. I don't care. This means nothing to me. What I am curious about is why they were looking for the Ark of the Covenant. Did they know something about lost ancient civilization that we don't? Because through my studies, it is my firm belief that ancient humans were far more advanced than we were taught in school. How advanced? That's, that's the fun part. That's the debatable part. But

• 21:29Speaker 01

  clearly, what we were taught in school, there's, as Graham Hancock has put it, there's a missing chapter of human history. There's things that just don't add up. We don't know how they built the pyramids. We don't know why there are similarities found across the continents and the oceans that shouldn't exist prior to transoceanic sea travel, which allegedly didn't start until Christopher Columbus in 1492. And so I think there's something there. And the Nazis, despite how the all the evil doings that they did, they were also incredibly advanced. They, you know, whether it's from the rockets and jet engines and other inventions that they had done, they were the most arguably the most technologically advanced country on earth during World War II. They weren't stupid. They may have been evil, but they weren't stupid. And so the fact that they had such an interest in ancient civilizations, that makes me go, I want

• 22:14Speaker 01

  to know why.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Well, to run with that, they were evil, but stupid, not evil, and, excuse me, not evil, but not stupid either, or are evil, but not stupid, something. I'm trying to make words here.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  It's not quite noon, so you're okay.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Sorry. Anyway, the Nazis were clearly evil, but they had a government, a powerful government that had gone around Europe looting museums and other governments.

• 22:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  So if I was to say, what does the Vatican know about ancient history that we don't know? That's not me saying the Vatican is some great organization. That's just saying there's some snaky motherfuckers that have a bunch of shit under wraps. And it's the same thing here, but they twist that into saying-

• 22:55Danny Jones?

  Who gave the Nazis a bunch of money?

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Well- Wasn't the Vatican.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Do you want to talk about the Union Banking Corporation? Is that what it's called with Prescott Bush? Is that what you're referring to?

• 23:06Danny Jones?

  No, I was referring to how the Catholic Church actually funded the Nazis during World War II. Is that what you're talking? Is that the same thing?

• 23:12Speaker 01

  They did both of them.

• 23:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 23:14Speaker 01

  So, so the Catholic Church is one thing, and then you had Prescott Bush, who is the grandfather of George W. Bush, or the father of George H. W. Bush.

• 23:22Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  And he was the president of the Union Banking Corporation, which in the 1930s, they funded both sides of the war. The Nazis and the Americans, which is-

• 23:31Danny Jones?

  There's also Dulles and, what was the name of that company that his brother was the attorney for? Something Brown?

• 23:40Speaker 01

  I can't recall.

• 23:42Danny Jones?

  Find out what Dulles and his brother's company was that funded the Nazis, or they funded the Nazis through like a proxy or something like that.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they were founded of no- Prescott Bush was founded of no wrongdoing, and he later became a congressman. But it's a little-known fact, they did fund both sides, which I think is as sinister as it gets, because you're gonna profit no matter who wins. Like, think about that.

• 23:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Who does that?

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Oh, arms dealers.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, gangsters.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  If you, if, in the Bronze Age, if you are a tin dealer, you don't give a [bleep] if it's the Egyptians or the Hittites you're selling it to. Just buy my tin.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  I see Sullivan and Cromwell?

• 24:15Danny Jones?

  Uh, no, they had a company, I always forget the name of their company. It was called Something Brown.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Are these the Dulles's that the Washington Airport, I A.D. was named after?

• 24:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, that's correct.

• 24:31Danny Jones?

  What was the name of their company that funded the Nazis?

• 24:36Speaker 01

  There you go, Brown Brothers.

• 24:37Danny Jones?

  There you go, Brown Brothers and Harriman, that's what it was. Connections to the Nazi bank, the Schroeder Bank, the arrangement allowed Dulles to continue his financial dealings with the Nazi entities, while maintaining a level of anonymity and protection from direct scrutiny. Yeah, man, that's a, that's a crazy rabbit hole. Going, going deep into that stuff.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  And the fact that they were trying to cover their tracks.

• 25:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  That right there, that's a giveaway. Whenever it comes, if you're wondering if people are doing something nefarious, it's always in the cover up. Like, so yesterday, or the day before yesterday, when then-President Biden had give a preemptive pardon to Anthony Fauci, like we were talking about for the podcast, that's right there, the smoking gun that there's guilt. You don't get, pardons imply guilt. Like, what's the preemptive pardon for? And by the way, why does it date back to 2014?

• 25:23Danny Jones?

  It was called a preemptive pardon?

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Well, that's what the internet is calling it. He gave a pardon. But essentially, since he charges hadn't been brought against him, it's essentially preemptive. And I don't even know if that's ever been done before. And I know they gave a preemptive pardon to all the January 6th committee as well. So I'm like, a pardon comes, pardons only exist if there's guilt. So apparently you have to accept the pardon and acknowledge guilt. And if you do that, you'll never be able to use the Fifth Amendment, because there's gonna be an inquiry, there's gonna be a reckoning. But it's like, what's the pardon for? And 2014 coincides when Biden, or when Obama, then-President Obama had got rid of the gain of function. And so it's like, and that's when, apparently they started in Wuhan with Anthony Fauci leading the NIH. And so it's like, this is a whole rabbit hole.

• 26:09Speaker 01

  And there's something there. Like, there's no doubt in my mind that he's guilty of some things that is gonna, is gonna surprise the world. I mean, a lot of people already know.

• 26:17Danny Jones?

  I mean, if there's any, if there, if there, if 10% of that Anthony Fauci book is true, that RFK wrote, which there's been no lawsuits brought against him for publishing that book, if 10% of it's real, then Fauci is Satan and reincarnated.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Bro, you just gotta look at what he did to those poor beagles, those dogs, with their eyes.

• 26:33Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Anyone, anyone listening, just Google Fauci.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Beagles and they put these dogs, they restrained them, kept their eyelids opened and let flies eat their eyes while alive. I don't know what they could possibly have been studying, but I'm like, that is evil. That is evil right there.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Evil. Yeah.

• 26:55Danny Jones?

  It's pure evil, man. No, I wonder what the, cause I know there was a huge inquiry on Fauci. And what he did, looking into, I know Congress was, was ripping him apart and looking into him. Doing like a deep analysis of, of what he was doing and what his motivations were and what sort of backhanded motive, you know, uh, money was funneled to him. During this whole thing. So I wonder Steve, like what was, what, what is the like official? Like what state is Fauci currently in, in regards to the federal government's investigation into him? Is it, is it done? Or is it like an ongoing processing thing where there's like future? Uh, appearances he has to make or like future court, you know, you know what I mean? Like.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  Ron Paul said in a tweet, uh, the day before yesterday, when that pardon was issued, that, uh, this isn't over. Yeah. And that's not his exact words, but he had, I forgot. It was a lengthy message and he said that this is.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Is this the message?

• 27:53Danny Jones?

  Oh, Ron Paul vows to continue investigation on what?

• 27:57Speaker 02

  On Matt.

• 27:58Danny Jones?

  Okay. On, on Anthony Fauci. Intensifies his investigation into Anthony Fauci asserting that Biden's pardon only deepens the inquiry. Right. It does into the pandemic's origins. Read more about, yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  How can there be a pardon for crimes against humanity? If, if he's guilty of what people are suggesting.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Guantanamo, baby.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There needs to be Nuremberg 2.0 on his ass.

• 28:20Danny Jones?

  With an IV in his arm on the way there.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  I'm pretty, uh, pretty non-partisan. I'm not a fan of either, either. Side of the political spectrum, but I will say that it really frustrates the piss out of me that every single time a new president gets elected anymore, we have pardons going both ways. This is bold. The system shouldn't be working like that. We shouldn't have to, because it's basically, we're no longer catering to the country and like. Compromising with people. It's just capitulation. You guys for four years, no.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  For four years, no you guys for four years.

• 28:51Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, look, the Fauci one, that one, that one's unacceptable.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  It's like, that's unacceptable. We've got a system, man. We have a system that works. It's like, we already let the presidents do their fucking executive orders and kind of subvert our system a little bit. We already give them that. Why the we need you guys running around pardoning people? Just, just cut that shit. I'll go govern the country. And if somebody fucked up, let them get crucified for it.

• 29:14Danny Jones?

  The one I don't care about is Hunter Biden. I don't give a fuck. Neither. Pardon him. Yeah, it's all he's got left, bro. He wakes up every morning and someone has to remind him. He's the president of the United States. The last, his first, his first son died, right? Yeah, brain cancer or something. And he, all he's got left is his crackhead son, recovering crackhead son, Hunter Biden.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:38Danny Jones?

  Can pardon him. It's all he's got left, bro. I cares.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  I'm totally with you. And I know that a lot of people disagree with us, but I'm like, listen, man, like, I actually feel bad for Hunter Biden, even though he's guilty of all kinds of things. And I, the Biden crime family is real. They made money through Ukraine and all kinds of other stuff. There's so much, they're guilty of egregious crimes.

• 29:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  But like.

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• 31:34Speaker 01

  I look at Hunter Biden as a sad story. Look what he was born into. And I'm like, you know, the look, anyone that's that doped up on drugs usually had suffered greatly earlier in life. That there seems to be a common theme among people that are like that. Not always, so forgive me to anyone listening, but like, there's truth to it. Like, he clearly, and if you look at the stuff with Ashley Biden's diary, the things that were a bit, you know, essentially, it looks like her father was, he, he did some, look, he was showering with her when she was like fifteen years old, stuff like that, like, God knows what else. And she, you know, seems like she's having some real issues. I think that basically they were born into something really bad.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  And I'd rather just, just forget about him. Let him, you know, we don't, I have all people to go after. I don't, I'm not worried about the Biden family.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  I don't think that Hunter should be crucified like he's the son of the president, but he shouldn't be pardoned any different than the crackhead sitting out in front of Walmart right now should be pardoned. You fuckin' crackhead, you go into this system, I don't give a fuck. Sorry.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  No, you have a point.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  I grew, I grew up in the nineties, man. I have plenty of friends that I've, that I had twenty years ago that are in prison right now for doing drugs and shit, right? And it's, they don't get to say, well, my dad was the president and his mommy touched him when he was sixteen. No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, dude. Tough shit, man. You can rob that store, you go to prison.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree. It's an ugly situation.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  It's, it's one of the things that happens with, with fame and, and, you know, I remember when I was young, David Lee Roth got busted in Japan for smuggling weed into the country. And that's a, and get a ten-year prison sentence minimum, dude. He was back in the States in two days. You're not allowed to tour anymore in Japan. Ouch, ouch. He's, he's rich and famous. Japan's rough, man. Send his ass back home, was supposed to lock him up, right?

• 33:17Danny Jones?

  Could you imagine running, running in a Hunter Biden in Ukraine? When, when, uh, when his, when his dad is the vice president of the country?

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:29Danny Jones?

  Like running around like being a coke dealer and selling coke, selling coke to Hunter when his dad's the president. Imagine what kind of favors he's pulling, using his dad as leverage, bro.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had a lot of fun. There's no doubt. You know, actually, speaking of, uh, cause going along the lines of his laptop, are the photos real? That showed Obama's daughter, I can't remember the, her first name, but showing her credit card next to a line of coke.

• 33:59Danny Jones?

  I don't know, I haven't seen that.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Steve, if you could Google this one, this is a good one. Um, if this is real, and this is a few years old, um, just type in cocaine, uh, Obama credit card, Biden or Hunter, and you'll see, look at this, this is, I'm trying to remember her first name. He has two daughters, of course.

• 34:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Um, go to Google Images here.

• 34:19Danny Jones?

  It says false mail, uh.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  I don't trust, Snopes has lied, uh, before. Snopes is not necessarily reliable, but I would be curious to see their explanation.

• 34:27Danny Jones?

  Maybe try Google to see if you can find it on Google too. Cause Snopes is like blurring out the name and all that stuff.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, I remember the photo, I'd be curious to see widely say it's debunked. I'm not here to tell you it's a hundred percent real. Like, you know, I did say if it turns out to be real, but like.

• 34:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Okay. Let's click, let's click on the Snopes article.

• 34:46Danny Jones?

  Does a pic showing, uh, Hunter Biden using Malia Obama's credit card to snort cocaine? Um, a new photo, oh.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Hate how they do that.

• 34:56Danny Jones?

  A new photograph of Malia Obama's credit card was found on Hunter Biden's laptop. Oh, it was found on his laptop, uh, along with lines of cocaine on the device, uh, that Biden has snorted. Um, in October 21, the photo, okay, what's it say? Keep going, keep going. False, why is it false?

• 35:14Speaker 01

  This picture is several months old. There's little evidence to support the claim that this credit card belongs. Okay. Little evidence. So they don't, they, what I'm reading on that sentence alone is like not disproved.

• 35:24Danny Jones?

  This photograph has been online since at least December 2019. At the time, celebrity websites circulated it in articles claiming that Obama's credit card had been stolen by hackers. Um, a likely story. Stolen, right, and posted online by hackers. However, skeptical this card actually belongs to Barack Obama's daughter and not another person perhaps named Molly Obama. Right. Okay.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Okay. Skeptical does not mean debunked.

• 35:50Danny Jones?

  No, does not mean debunked.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  They, they put false on that. They straight up falsely declared it. It's like, they should have just said, you know, um, unknown or, or, um, you know.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Snopes is a, yeah, Snopes is a little politically motivated. Just a little.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  They are.

• 36:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Um, so it'll be interesting. Hey, look, we'll find out in the next couple of years if that was true or not. And I don't mean to tear apart, uh, the, the daughters of Obama because like, I imagine being born into that kind of life. What a, what a interesting

• 36:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  dealt card, you know? That I don't, a lot of people might be like, oh, it'd be awesome to be the, the daughter or son of a president. I'm like, man, your life is significantly changed forever. You can't just go walk around. Imagine not being able to just go walk to the store by yourself.

• 36:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man, I can't imagine, especially like when you're born into that life and I was watching a, there was a series about Hunter Biden. I was on like Fox Nation or something like that. I forget what it was. It was the Fox app. Um, that they had, they do these mini documentary series. And then the first two episodes, like my buddy sent it to me and he was like, oh my God, you're going to think Hunter is such a piece of shit after watching this. And I watched it and I was like, I'm feeling bad for the guy.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:58Danny Jones?

  And they were basically saying like, right when, like when him and his brother were babies, uh, um, Joe basically decided to like leave and go to another state to be a senator or a congressman where he was not home. He was home like one day a month, never saw his kids, left the wife home alone with the kids and like they were going through a lot of issues and he was completely absent from their lives.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that's rough. That, that destroys children and, um,

• 37:28Danny Jones?

  He chose his career over his kids.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. And that's, and that's a hard one too. Like when, I mean, I was just thinking as we're talking about Hunter Biden and stuff. It's like, imagine, imagine being that, that kind of person. It's a testimony to the power of cocaine, right? I mean, you're, Hunter Biden's got all kinds of options in the world, right? You do whatever he wants. What's he want to do? I go get high on that fucking powder.

• 37:46Danny Jones?

  Most rich kids I know end up going down that road.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  It's it's it's because lack of better things to do, man. It's it's an available thing and what are you gonna do? People are locked. What are they choosing to do? They're not. They're bored. They're fucking bored, basically, is what it looks like to me, or they're trying to run twenty two hours a day, so they end up doing stimulants. But it's, sorry, it's the same kind of thing.

• 38:07Danny Jones?

  It's it's not. It's not the right way. Your brain's wired differently when you're raised that way and you're given everything.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 38:15Danny Jones?

  You know, and you have you have more than all your friends. Like, you're just given things. You don't. You don't understand the value of it because you don't really have to work for stuff. It it does some fundamental things to your brain.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  It's a disservice. I I've had friends that grew up where like they were fortunate enough to where their parents bought them a car. Now, when I was growing up, I had to get a job and get my own car and my dad helped me out with the insurance. Um, so I get a lower. He put it on his name, so I had the lower insurance premium. Uh, that was as good as I got it, but I had to have a job. Um, and in, because I had to pay for it. And I had a certain buddy who his parents were very well off. And they bought everything for him. And then sure enough, in his young adulthood, he had big problems with credit cards because he didn't understand the concept of saving and spending.

• 38:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  And he got himself in a pinch for a bit.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  I use actually used Fortnite V bucks to teach my kid with that shit. I just had.

• 39:03Danny Jones?

  Fortnite V bucks?

• 39:04Speaker 02

  I let him have a twenty five dollar every two week allowance and he was buying V bucks like a madman with him.

• 39:09Danny Jones?

  On Fortnite?

• 39:12Speaker 02

  And then he wanted about a year later, he wanted a costume for Halloween, a Fortnite costume. It was like a hundred and twenty five bucks. I'm like, well, you need to save some money for that. How much do you got? He's like, well, I don't have any money. I go, how much money have you spent on V bucks in the last year? And then he went and looked and he was just like, oh, fuck me. And now, when he looks to buy something online, he's like, I'll I'll buy that game, but I I kind of like that skin, but I'm not going to spend sixteen dollars for anime. It's like, yes, see? Perfect.

• 39:37Danny Jones?

  Yep, yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  But that's it. It's crazy that you even have to teach kids that lesson nowadays in that regards, but you know, the world moves on. So as a parent, you either like let your kid be in the dust or you figure something out or, you know, let them be the next generation of kids that don't know how to fucking value shit.

• 39:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah. Iron sharpens iron.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:57Danny Jones?

  Um, so.

• 40:00Danny Jones?

  I guess we can talk about like some ancient civilization shit on this podcast.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 40:05Danny Jones?

  I've been known to talk about that stuff from time to time.

• 40:09Danny Jones?

  So Jimmy, everybody knows who you are.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Not everybody. Not everybody.

• 40:16Danny Jones?

  You need no introduction. Dan, how did you get into this stuff? And, and, and how did, first of all, how did you guys meet and, and team up?

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I just, I made a response video to Jimmy and he was chill with it and we talked and stuff. And then just over time, we ended up doing podcasts, like we did a couple of live streams together. And then Joe Rogan, yeah.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, to me even, you know, you did a debunk on me and you did it with such class. So I have.

• 40:46Danny Jones?

  Oh, a debunker?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, not, not bad, but um, to anyone that doesn't know me, I have a YouTube channel called Bright Insights.

• 40:52Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  And exploring the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations. And I firmly believe that ancient humans were older and more advanced than we were taught in school. I personally think significantly more advanced than we ever imagined, but I don't preach that too much because I'm trying to first show people that what we were taught in school, what is actively printed in textbooks, what they're handing college degrees out for is wildly inaccurate. Now, how advanced, that's the debatable part. And I had just made a simple video where there, it was them putting like a two ton stone in the back of a Ford Ranger truck. And it blew out the suspension and messed it up. And then you had made a polite response about it. And in my, in my experience, with as large of a following as I've attained, comes a lot of criticism and a lot of heat. Not everyone likes me.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  And a lot of people, when they debunk me, they're quite nasty. I've had people call me a Nazi. I've had, you know, a lot of, a lot of hard, a lot of, I don't know how to put it. Basically, people not be nice, but Dan Richards here is a class act. And I gravitate towards him. I'm like, how refreshing that somebody can, you know, oppose to what I'm suggesting and do it with such class. And we connected, been friends ever since. And, and Dan is providing such a unique niche spot in this field where it's like you're bridging the gap between academics and the ancient alternative theorists, as I put it. Where it's like you're, you know, you're seeing things from both perspectives where you'll defend the academics when they're right. And you'll defend the other side or contradict, you know, depending, and you just follow the evidence as you see it

• 42:21Speaker 01

  and you communicate it with class.

• 42:24Danny Jones?

  How did you get into this stuff? Do you have a background in this?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  I mean, kind of. I pre-ordered Fingerprints of the Gods in 95. Like, I had it, like, Hastings had it waiting for me the first day it was available. I'd read The Sign and the Seal a couple of years before that. So I was a Graham Hancock fan, like, a long time ago, and read the stuff and was into this stuff over the years. Got custody of my kid in 2015 and, like, working up to getting custody of him, and then the years afterwards, I didn't, like, I just kind of unplugged from all that.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  And then I come back and I see that there's like this robust debunking sphere community on YouTube and everybody's fighting back and forth about this stuff now. And so I just, I watched Ancient Apocalypse and I watched Milo Rossi debunk Ancient Apocalypse and I'm like, well, he kind of did a half-assed job on that. So I started making videos addressing it and I was surprised that it started gaining traction pretty quick. And now I just kind of poke at any side. A lot of the archaeologists out there will say that I'm not on their side at all anymore. I will still quite frequently defend their positions, just very few of them as individuals sadly, but that's a different story.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  They hate you. I've now seen, I thought, no one gets more heat than Graham Hancock. Then I know I get a ton. And now I think you've now pulled the lead on that. They are obsessed with you, actually. If you go and go take a look on X, anybody, go look at the battles that you're dealing with. It's unreal. They're trying to come after you for anything.

• 43:52Danny Jones?

  Isn't it weird how people fight so hard online about shit that was going on thousands of years ago?

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Bro, it's so weird to me.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  I never imagined.

• 44:02Danny Jones?

  People are vicious.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  It's insane, actually. When I got into this, I remember thinking to myself, well, I'm not talking politics here. I'm not debating abortion. This should be pretty harmless. And then not too long into it, I started to see, I'm like, oh my God, this is visceral. Like, people, I'm debating, I'll say that the pyramids weren't built to be tombs and people actually seem to hate me for it. They get really upset. I suggest that Atlantis is in the Sahara, Africa, and people hate me for it. And I'm like, I'm not debating abortion here. Like, this is very benign. I'm like, I consider this to be totally harmless. But it turns out that this is something exists in anywhere else. I've connected with other content creators of totally different genres, nothing related to ancient history.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  There's internal battles. Everyone's just trying to, unfortunately, a lot of people have this crab in a barrel mentality, which is that they try to tear people down. That maybe have a louder voice than them. And it's like, my philosophy is like, hey, if you disagree with what I'm saying, become the bigger voice. Just, you know. I don't understand the competition.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  You just said it, iron sharpens iron. I mean, Jim disagrees. When we talk about Baalbek, for example, like Jim sees things differently than I do. But where we both see things and where they overlap, we see areas that each other wouldn't see. You could almost like. Picture it as like a overlapping fields of fire metaphor. Different people come at things with different perspectives. And so when you have multiple people that have different ideas on the same thing. With cordial communication, they sit down and talk and they don't have to fucking agree on a single point, but they have to agree that we're not going to be dicks to each other. You can get somewhere. And if the person looking like with Ben and the vases, I disagree with him on a lot of things, but I know that he's honest and passionate.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  So I completely support his work, even if I think that he's pointed 180 degrees in the wrong direction, which I don't. But I do think he's, he's headed in the wrong way, but it doesn't matter because his work is honest and is valuable. It brings fucking data to the table, right?

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's the differentiation. Like Ben's a great guy. That's what it comes down to with me. And that's one reason why Dan and I have connected so well. Is that it's about principle. Like, you know, I pride myself on honesty. And, you know, it's like, I, there's other people in this realm that will embellish things or say things that are otherwise is totally inaccurate. And it's like, it comes down to character. So when people try to character assassinate me for having opinions that differentiate from what they were taught in the textbooks. I find it, it's incredibly offensive. You know, and as far as Baalbek goes, that's one interesting thing that Dan and I connect on is that I. You know, so like, I think that there was a lost ancient technology. And I always say this, it doesn't have to mean wifi and space lasers. Technology, like a saddle on a horse is technology.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  You know, anything, anything used as a tool is technology. However, I straw, the evidence appears that the Romans simply did not construct the foundation of the Heliopolis at Baalbek. And I consider Baalbek to be, besides the Great Pyramid of Egypt, if there was one site on earth. I actually, I would say beside, on top of the Great Pyramid, more so than the Great Pyramid. Great Pyramid is just. I think the Great Pyramid was a lost functional technology, but let me backburn that for half a second and say that Baalbek is a more significant example from the standpoint that it was alleged to have been constructed by the Phoenicians and the Romans, but there's a complete lack of evidence. In fact, the evidence that it does exist there would suggest that it just wasn't them is that they did not have the capability to move, lift and

• 47:25Speaker 01

  stack those three trilithon stones, which are 900 tons apiece. And what's interesting about Dan is that you've pointed out that like, for example, people will often use the thunderstone, the bronze horsemen in Russia, which was like some 1500 tons. And for them to have moved and lifted it in the late 18th century, late 1700s, you know, they needed the screw jack, they needed advanced iron rails, metallic ball bearings, things that the Romans did not have. And it's like, so there's like this ground that we share, which is that you might not think that it was some lost technology, but it clearly was done with a method that is completely unknown to the Romans. And I mean, correct me, how you feel about that?

• 48:05Speaker 02

  No, I would, I would say that it would be a lost technology, but it wouldn't be, I wouldn't consider it a high technology. I wouldn't consider it power. Like, I don't, I don't think they had like power, but-

• 48:15Speaker 01

  You don't think the ancient civilizations that were around during the pyramids had power?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  I don't think they had like electricity and shit like that necessarily. Not like any, I don't think they were using steam power to lift big rocks.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  So how do you think they cut those giant stones?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I'm not really sure, to be honest with you.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  But let me ask you this, what is the reason you think they don't, they didn't have power?

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Because we have nothing of it in the, in the record, except for a few things that can be done in other ways. Except, there's a few exceptions, but like, most big rocks we can look at and say, okay, it'll take a long fucking time, but we could eventually cut that. So you can't, in my opinion, it's like, you know, if I, I could cut this with a spoon, right? This piece of wood. And it's going to take a long ass time. But if you came in here and it was cut in half and the only tool available is a spoon, you know, and you say, well, did you do that with a saw? If I got no saw here, man, you got no saw on the record, you kind of, I could do it with a spoon. But there are times when you can't do it with a spoon to follow that metaphor.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Like at Baalbek, for example, like Jim was saying, there's, we did need more tech than that to move a big rock like that. And furthermore.

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• 50:22Speaker 02

  The stones at Baalbek, the three that are still in the ground, to me, that betrays the fact that the Romans gave up. It's like you've got three in the wall already, why are there three more in the ground that you didn't take out? The three in the ground. Pregnant lady, the pregnant stone, or whatever it's called. And those three in the ground all show signs of being measured with the Roman foot. The three in the wall do not show signs of being measured with the Roman foot. So that to me is, and Romans built with symmetry. So you've got three stones here, we're going to put three more over here, quarry those things, and the guy's tasked to move them, look at it, and say, we can't.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  I will say real quick about Baalbek, as far as cutting the stones, those are limestone, and I have no doubt that they could cut limestone with primitive methods. When it comes to Egypt and the granite, whole different ballgame. But when it comes to Baalbek, we're talking, again, nine, three 900-ton stones that are moved approximately a half mile, and then lifted and stacked some 30 feet off the ground. And that becomes a matter of physics. Like, physics. six defying that say, let me be clear, we could do that today. Absolutely. But what it takes for us to do that today is magnificent. Like when they moved, I like to use this example, which is that the largest stone in modern times is the 340 ton stone that's at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  And they, to move it 104 miles, uh, it took a year of planning, it cost $10 million and they had to custom build a trailer truck around it. Steve, this would be great photos if you're able to bring it up because this, this trailer truck they built around is 260 feet long, 30 something feet wide, 44 axles, used 198 semi truck wheels.

• 51:58Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  And they moved it, it took nine days, they moved it four miles an hour. They had to go around certain roads because roads couldn't even withstand the weight of it. And this is to move into, so that stone is one third the weight of the Trilithon stones. Or at least of the Ramesseum statue, which is the thousand metric tons.

• 52:16Danny Jones?

  That's impressive.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  And that's where, and that's, but that's where like, uh,

• 52:21Speaker 02

  like to go back to the cutting of the stones, like the cutting is something we can achieve. You can all, there are certain things you can throw more man and, and time at and eventually achieve stacking blocks on top of each other. As long as the blocks are some are something people can move, you can stack them on top of each other. But like those, the stones at Baalbek, they are so big that you can't, you can't, there's no ropes or anything. With what we've done in history, there's really no way of moving those things with the technology at the time that I, that I've seen. And I've seen the debunkers come at it and they always, they always skip the parts that are, are difficult. And you know, there's some things you can't just throw more man and material at. If you, I, I frequently just to slide down the slope with people that just try to say you could just throw more men and material at it.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  How many, how much GDP would the ancient Egyptians have had to throw to get to people to the moon? It would have caused, you know, they couldn't, they just, they didn't have the fucking means.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  There's some great photos of that.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, could you imagine that?

• 53:18Danny Jones?

  How many tons was this thing?

• 53:19Speaker 01

  340.

• 53:20Danny Jones?

  300, which is how many pounds?

• 53:24Danny Jones?

  Holy cow dude.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  A ton is, a ton is two, is 2,000 pounds, so that'd be a 340 times 2.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  So 700 something thousand pounds, so.

• 53:34Danny Jones?

  Almost a million pounds.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  And so meanwhile, you have the trilithon stones that are 1.75 million pounds. And so what's interesting is that the Romans, their largest, most powerful crane could lift 6.6 tons, which means that you would need approximately 130 something of those cranes to lift just one of those trilithon stones.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  And it's like, there's not space to do it. You couldn't corner it. Not feasible.

• 53:58Danny Jones?

  The only way I would think that you might be on to something with there, there wasn't any kind of electric crazy power saws or anything like that, is when you see videos from that guy Wally Wallington.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:09Danny Jones?

  Who's moving those stones, basically like with these little wooden wedges and things and like balancing them properly. Like if you could understand the math and the balancing and all, and the physics of moving these stones and using gravity to help you, I think that could be an explanation if they had some sort of super advanced understanding of mathematics.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Right, which I would think they would.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, not only that, um, like I talk about this one every now and again, but, uh, stones was, up until the metal age, man, until the bronze age, stone was the premier building material and not just for humans, but for Romans. I mean, this goes back millions of years where people were working with stone to make, uh, every tool, every weapon that they had. So, uh, to think that they didn't have some tricks to work with stone that we've lost since they started working in metal, that, you know, that, the, that's, I mean, to me, that's insane.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Now, let me say this about Wally Wallington, because that guy is a genius, like that what he accomplished to move those 20 ton stones is brilliant.

• 55:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  But my, my pushback on it is that he did it on a concrete foundation. He also used wat-, he needed a hose to do it. He used pressurized water. So I'm like, when I look at the 80 ton stones.

• 55:20Danny Jones?

  To do what? To cut them?

• 55:22Speaker 01

  So he would basically like use the water to, uh, have the, the sand below it, uh, fall apart and then, you know, use it to shift the weight. And so when I look at the 80 ton stones, uh, that the largest stones that were used to. The Great Pyramid, they removed some 500 miles and then lifted stacked a couple hundred feet

• 55:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Above the ground. I'm like, Wally Wallington's method, although brilliant, wouldn't be feasible for that explanation.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  I completely agree with you there. That's where it's, it's one thing to say that they would have been able to put one Wally Wallington on a site and have him maneuver the block right into place. I can go with that. Getting it through the jungles, up and down hills. Yeah, come on now.

• 55:57Danny Jones?

  And to get it up, elevated that high too, right?

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Now, let me also say this, because the devil's advocate people listening, like, well, they moved them on barges, Jimmy, you dumb ass. I see it all the time. And I'm like, well, the largest Egyptian barge couldn't lift, move a fraction of that weight. Now, like, well, they had larger barges. And I'm like, okay, um, it's not in the record. And not only that, the, the physics of moving it on and off that barge is no little thing. Like, we're talking center of gravity. Like, that's a thing.

• 56:25Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  So.

• 56:27Danny Jones?

  Even, I had Ed Barnhart on here a couple of weeks or a couple of months ago, and he was explaining to me how the, the size of those, the conventional explanation for those Olmec heads is the archaeologists believe they moved them on barges through the rivers. And he was saying, in order to build a raft, big enough to float one of those Olmec heads, it would have to be like four times wider than the river itself. So he completely thinks that's, that conventional explanation is bullshit. And he's an academic archaeologist.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I want to go visit the Olmec heads. That is like, I haven't done a deep study on, you know, ancient Mexico. But the more I'm looking into them, like, oh, there's something here. Those Olmec heads being with the largest 50 something tons moved approximately 60 miles or almost 100 kilometers.

• 57:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, it's insane.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Through jungle and Mars and swamp.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  The South America's got all kinds of goofy stuff like that. I recently covered in a video, the Aymara language having, it's, a guy used the Aymara language, which is spoken by the indigenous people of Bolivia, the ancestors of the Incas. And they, they use it, this guy used it in the eighties to make computer language, a computer software that was a multi-language translator years before Google Translate. And it could translate.

• 57:35Danny Jones?

  I saw this video you did.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, that to me is fucking crazy, man. It's like.

• 57:39Danny Jones?

  Explain that for people who, who.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Okay, the, the language has, um, there's a few things that make the language work. Uh, this, this guy, Guzman was his last name. Uh, he's a mathematician. He discovered that this language had a few properties that he was able to use to make a computer language. One of them was that the language, instead of having, where most languages are a binary language, a yes or a no, this one had also incorporated maybe in every sentence, it basically has either, it's either a affirmative or a maybe. So that allows for a yes affirmative, no affirmative, or maybe. So that gives it a three-point logic. And the language never changes its syntax structure, which is extremely rare.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  I mean, if you think about like how Yoda talks and how, you know, it's all backwards, right? Most languages, when people incorporate a saying from another language, they change to keep the same syntax as the new language. They don't do that in Imaa. They keep the same syntax every single time. It's a few things like that where they ended up making it where it's actually, it works with computers so well, and it's the only language that has the three-point logic. It's the only language that doesn't change like that. Yeah, there he is, Ivan Guzman de Rojas. Yeah, Adomari's name of the software. And this, I mean, this to me is more impressive than the rocks of Baalbek, because you don't look at it and see quite as much, but this dude did. He looked at it and he was just like, holy shit, there's a computer language tucked into this language.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  I mean, not exactly, but an algorithm that will work with computers so well, that he put very little personal time into this, and by the time he gave up on it, because of age, there was like 12 different languages or eight different languages this thing was able to do, and they have to still put the words in. The lexicon has to be added individually, right? Like each, you have to type in each word and tell the thing what to mean. And that was all done by volunteer, and in 2006, it was still better than Google Translate was. And that's, that's a while ago, but that's impressive.

• 59:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then just going back to like what we were talking about, like the swastikas being in all these different cultures all across the world, like the same thing with these structures, like the structures of like these pyramids, and these just giant stone monumental things that weigh so goddamn much that we wouldn't know how to move them or lift them even today without like spending them. I think it was Chris Dunn in his book, he interviewed a company who basically cut giant granite countertops or something like that. And he was asking them... What it would cost to recreate one of those boxes that are inside the Serapium out of granite?

• 1:00:18Danny Jones?

  And he was like, he was like, just the freight would be 250 grand. And he's like, we would never do that out of one piece. We would bolt five pieces, four or five pieces together.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  That was one of the most interesting things about it. It's like they wouldn't do it in one piece.

• 1:00:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  And with modern technology with diamond tip drilling. And by the way, real quick to the swastika, I just remembered something random. Cause a lot of people will say, oh, it's, you know, the, you know, the time and then they say it's like the Big Dipper. Here's something interesting to make people think. The swastika is also found in Peru as well as Bali, which is in the southern hemisphere. And although you can see the Big Dipper from Peru, you're not going to see it from the Peruvian Andes. Because like the mountains, I've been in the Peruvian Andes and it's just, you just don't see the horizon. Because the, the Big Dipper would be low on the horizon in the southern hemisphere. And to a certain point, the further south you go, you wouldn't see it at all. I'd have to double check on Bali as far as how far south it is. But it's like, the fact that the swastika scene there makes me doubt that maybe it's not the Big Dipper. Because it's not, the swastika isn't totally shaped like it.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Like they tried to say it's the, the Big Dipper facing four different directions, the cardinal points. And I'm like, but they, they leave out a key, uh, you know, part of its symmetry that I'm like, I'm not convinced that that's what it is. And on top of it, I don't, the swastika, some people say it's a very basic symbol, but I'm like, it's also highly unique. I don't think it's all that, that, that basic and intuitive for anyone across five continents to all come up with the same symbol. I have doubts about that. I can't prove it and I don't ultimately know. But the fact that it's found on five continents dating back as far as 10,000 years is bizarre. I think that it's indicative of a cross continental connection that existed long before we were taught. But there's other things like you mentioned, the pyramids found on four continents around the world.

• 1:02:02Danny Jones?

  There's deities that are also very similar in various parts of the world.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Yep. Like that number seven, the seven sages and you know, going back to Mesopotamia and that scene in different parts of the world.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  The idea of mirroring the sky on the ground with buildings. That's something that you see both in South America and in ancient Egypt.

• 1:02:19Danny Jones?

  Like cosmic alignment with buildings and stuff like that.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Like the, the Mayan temple with the, uh, the El Kukulkan with the undulating serpent or the Orion Giza thing. Which I know some astronomers will, will complain about, but they haven't done their research. So for those of you who are already typing, go fucking research it a little bit.

• 1:02:38Danny Jones?

  What is, uh, either of you guys, like, what's your favorite theory on what the Great Pyramid actually was? Like, if you were just, like, playing the Lotto?

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  I, I, my best guess, and I don't know, that I always like to say, I don't know.

• 1:02:52Danny Jones?

  Crazy, it's tenfold, how does you want to be? Like, what would you guess?

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I really like Christopher Dunn's power plant theory. I think, having, I've been on, in Giza three times, and there's nothing about the Great Pyramid that resembles anything like a tomb, and when you walk through its bizarre layout and structure, I think it was something functional that goes beyond our understanding. I cannot prove it. But like, yeah, I think that when we look at that in modern times, the largest things we build are like hydroelectric dams, that maybe it was something for harnessing power, but then people say, well, what was it using to power? And that goes down a whole rabbit hole, and so I'm not, it, maybe it's not true at all. But I think it was functional. What are your thoughts, Dan?

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Well, honestly, I think that probably what are the, there might be all kinds of things like what Jim was saying, which I'm more skeptical of, but what I am very, my favorite hypothesis is, we know it was a funerary complex. There's no question that Giza was an.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Later, right?

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, definitely later.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  To me, it seems like, you know, the idea that if you're gonna be reincarn, if you're going to be immortal, you need people to remember you. Like, we would joke even with each other today, we're gonna sing, they'll sing your songs around the campfires for generations to come, right? It's a tongue-in-cheek joke, but that's not, that's something that the ancients would have valued, man. They're gonna remember me. That's, I'm gonna be dead, but people will speak my name. Well, that's something that a lot of ideas on immortality, they're contingent. People quit speaking my name, I'm not immortal anymore. They need to remember me.

• 1:04:22Danny Jones?

  Right, symbolic immortality.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  And are we not mentioning names of pharaohs here today? Now, so that's, in my opinion, I think that the pyramid, that's a big part of it, was just to, just to do, and that's one of the reasons you make it goofy and mysterious and weird, because you make the bridge to nowhere just to make people scratch their head.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Now, if you want to, talking about mortality, if you want to know my most batshit crazy theory on the Great Pyramid, is that maybe it was a device for harnessing DNA restoration. Around different parts of the world, they talk about humans living to be thousands of years, hundreds and even thousands of years old.

• 1:04:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  And maybe.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  There's certain sarcophagus that you'll find in Egypt where on the inside of it on the lid, underneath, a lot of people never see it, is essentially a person with its arms and arms and legs spread up like this, and it's just laying in there. And I, there's photos I have, they have examples of this at the Cairo Museum, and you can also see it in the Valley of the Kings. But it's just a person laying there with their arms and legs. And I'm like, that's not how they buried pharaohs. They were all like this, with their arms across their chest. And so if the pyramid was a device of some kind for generating power, maybe, and this is, of course, this is just wild idea. I'm not, I'm not convinced of this. This is fun. But what if it was for helping longevity? Maybe it cured cancer, maybe it repaired DNA.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  I don't make videos like advocating for this, because it's just, but if you're gonna ask me in a conversation, I'm like, yeah, what if? Maybe it was for, you know, because it is bizarre that there's so many legends across the world talking about humans living to be hundreds and even thousands of years old.

• 1:05:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Where does that come from? Who would make that up? Is that really a real bedtime story? Because that's what we'll say, oh, well, this is just they passed it down. It's like, is that what you tell your kids before they go to bed? Oh, humans used to live so long. Where does that come from? I'm not convinced of that.

• 1:06:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah. No, that is, that is a, that is a bizarre one. How there was like telomeres, telomere caps or something. This goes back to the Anunnaki stuff, right?

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  I love that stuff. You know, that's like the most taboo thing for people. Yeah, and Sitchin may have been wrong about a lot of things, but it doesn't mean that there wasn't truth to it. Like I, if you want to know my most crazy ideas, that I do think it's incredibly possible that humans were a hybrid species. That when you look at these legends of angels coming down and breeding with the women and all that stuff, I'm like, if we're, if we're cloning, you know, pigs and creating, like growing human ears on the backs of mice and all this crazy stuff that we're doing now, it's not impossible that if, if humans were to go to another planet, we wouldn't mess with them either.

• 1:06:50Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, if there was life forms on other planets.

• 1:06:54Danny Jones?

  Oh, Billy Carson.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, Billy.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  Well, we're talking about this stuff. Just to be Dan the big old wet blanket. We talk about the type, the potential of the pyramid being a technological device. There is one thing that I see talked about a lot, and I do have to point it out. As a guy who worked electricity, the piezoelectric thing, which if you don't know what piezoelectricity is, it's what makes a, when you stress a quartz crystal, you get a little electricity. It's what makes your quartz watch work and your igniters for your, your gas grills.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Okay. So the theory will be, well, there's a lot of limestone, or a lot of quartz and limestone, therefore, a little bit of stress in the limestone, you get these big electric charges, look at all that limestone, they're making all this electricity. The problem with that is that each one of those crystals has to have a piece of metal on both sides to harness that charge, right? Electricity, otherwise it just, so if you have it, then, and then you've got this block full of those crystals, so they would all have to be aligned in the same, they would all have to be aligned magnetically to begin with. Then you would have to have that entire block sandwiched in metal, and that's only if they were all aligned, which is extremely limiting, and we don't see any signs of this, and then you would have to have a place to harness it.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  So while they would definitely be ripping metal out of this, out of the structure, if it was abandoned and it had a shitload of metal in it, and they were pulling it out, there was a metal between the courses we would find remnants of.

• 1:08:19Danny Jones?

  Or in the cap, right?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  The cap's been missing for, since time immemorial, right? But, um, but anyway, my point is, is that, well, I'm not opposed to the idea of it being a technological device, um, there's always like the funnel of reality that I'd always try to kind of bring us back to, it's like, yeah, we, that, we can, but we, electricity's getting a little bit too far out, not that electricity itself isn't, but the electricity, piezoelectricity from the limestone blocks is something that if I was tasked with doing that as an electrician, I'd be like, you need a magician, buddy, sorry.

• 1:08:50Danny Jones?

  Friedman-Froy, that NASA scientist, did the experiment where they took a giant block of granite and they put two caps, metal caps, on each side, and they squeezed it with a hydraulic press, and it literally was creating electricity.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Wow, interesting, I haven't looked at that.

• 1:09:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this is in, uh, his new, or Chris's new book, The Tesla Connection, where he basically hypothesizes that it's a solid state electric harvester.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, so, that's bizarre, and that goes right into, so that guy Friedman-Froy, that NASA scientist, he was basically studying earthquake lights. How all over the world, like days and weeks before an earthquake happens, there's deep, subterranean grinding of the, the rocks, the igneous rocks, creating these crazy like, some people thought they were UFOs, or like orbs in the sky. And there were earthquake lights, creating from the electricity from that deep earth, deep earth igneous rock rubbing against each other. And they were hypothesizing that that's a way that they could mitigate the damage from earthquakes. So if they're seeing earthquake lights pop up above the mountains, they're like, okay, we got to evacuate. There's going to be a, an earthquake.

• 1:09:56Danny Jones?

  And I think they actually were able to accurately predict it within like, I think 14 days of a couple of earthquakes, like over near Indonesia a few times.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  That's wild. Yeah. And the Great Pyramid is built on top of an aquifer.

• 1:10:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  You know, like there's subterranean water that had flown under there, um, back when the Nile was much closer. Yeah. I don't know. Like when it comes to the Great Pyramid, you know, a lot of people will hotly debate what it was. And this is where I get into, I'm like, this is why there needs to be further study and archaeological excavation.

• 1:10:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Are you familiar with that hidden chamber that they've identified?

• 1:10:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Above the, uh, above the Grand Gallery, right? And the, they scanned pyramids project founder?

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  Yep. And this thing is massive. They still haven't explored it. And it's like, even though they discovered it eight years ago, and it was confirmed in a scientific study seven years ago. As of today, it has not been explored. There's no plan in place to do it. Although maybe I've heard something that now there's, I can't say it because when people tell you something that it's a secret, you can't repeat it. But it sounds like this topic has got the attention of the right people and something may happen later this year.

• 1:11:00Danny Jones?

  It's the size of a 747.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  It's huge. Yeah. It's insane. And so it's like, with that being said, what's inside this hidden chamber? There could be a lost technology if it existed. There could be answers on how the pyramid was constructed because that's debated. Nobody knows how they constructed it. Maybe you go in there and be like, oh, so maybe this is how they were stacking those stones. Oh, you know, whatever. Maybe there's a pharaoh in there. Like I don't think-

• 1:11:22Danny Jones?

  Super boring about it. It'd be like, oh.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Even if it's an empty room.

• 1:11:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Tucked his body away.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if it was for a tomb for the pharaoh, what if there's a burial in there? Like there's so many answers that we could get by simply- Simply going in there and they can do it. They can drill a small hole and send in, you know, an endoscope camera. And they could figure it out in a very short period of time for not a lot of money without damaging the pyramid. This is so doable and you know, we can be, we can have all this conjecture about what it was, how it was built, what was, you know? And it's like, but maybe if we just go in there and look, we'll find, we'll learn something and that answers some of these questions.

• 1:11:56Danny Jones?

  You know what? One of the most interesting things about that void is to me is that in the king's chamber, there's apparently those two shafts that go out, right?

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:04Danny Jones?

  One of the shafts goes straight. The other one has all these bends that go around that void. So if this pyramid was something that was, which is pretty obvious that they actually had to plan this out a lot to get this thing so precise.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Danny Jones?

  That they didn't just like go, oh, we're gonna have, oh shit, we didn't plan for this void to be here. Now we gotta build these shafts around it. It's obviously by design, right?

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Everything, everything about that thing is, has to be by design. Cause like the, the mathematics to get it to be as symmetrical as it is all the way to the top.

• 1:12:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  It requires it. Cause like if they're off anywhere, you know, could screw up the whole thing. That's probably, yeah.

• 1:12:42Danny Jones?

  It's more square, more perfectly square than any skyscraper in New York City.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that's the kind of stuff that honestly gets pretty, that's, that's where stuff gets pretty tricky because they measure those skyscrapers with lasers and shit, right?

• 1:12:56Danny Jones?

  Right. Exactly.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  They're measured with transit.

• 1:12:58Danny Jones?

  I think the skyscrapers can be off square by like 20 to 30, 40 inches.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Danny Jones?

  And what is the great pyramid on?

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Within a half inch.

• 1:13:05Danny Jones?

  Within a half fucking inch.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  755 feet long at each of its bases. And not only that, like, so it's like, you can, a lot of skyscrapers might face north, southeast and west. This is within a degree of accuracy that's more accurate than a lot of our modern buildings that are meant to face the cardinal points.

• 1:13:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Which is amazing. You know, it's not perfectly, perfectly, but it's in a few degrees of accuracy, like a super, like a very small level. It's basically perfect as far as the eye can see. Or even if you're out there with your own compass, it'd be like.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  And that's, well, you, you gotta look at it too, that you're dealing with atmospheric refraction. You do, all these measurements will be taken at dawn. When the sun's just rising and the Nile River, you're gonna have all this fucking fog and shit in the, so your measurement is gonna have some fog. And every time, every time they took a measurement off the sun. So when, when they do their archaeology astronomy work, that's one of the things they always take into account is how far, sorry, how far the. Make me think about how far I'm from Mike. How far away they are from the river and how easily they can see things down there because it's there's a lot of, you know, the closer you get to the Nile River at dawn, man, the foggy of the air is harder is to see the sun.

• 1:14:15Danny Jones?

  You know what my favorite theory about the pyramids is?

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 1:14:18Danny Jones?

  Have you heard of the land of Kem?

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  Yes, Jeff.

• 1:14:21Danny Jones?

  Dude, I think that guy is spot on with his theory. I think it is the most reasonable explanation. I love Chris Dunn's theory. The solid state electron harvester. I think it's fantastic. It's sensational. But what I like about Jeff's theory, Jeff's? Yeah, yeah. What I like about his theory is that it's it's not, it's kind of a boring theory. But it also makes so much fucking sense because he went in like the way he describes how that Nazi scientist.

• 1:14:53Danny Jones?

  Fritz, I think his last name was, who went and basically recreated that ammonia production thing, the device that creates ammonia. And and he reverse engineered the inside of the, I think it's the step pyramid. And that's what his hypothesis is, is the step pyramid was creating ammonia. And he created a device that that completely

• 1:15:19Danny Jones?

  replicates the inside of the step pyramid that creates ammonia, this Nazi guy who was studying the scientist, studying the pyramids. And then he thinks that the red pyramid was using the chemical that was coming out of the step pyramid to create. So I can't remember all the names of the chemicals. I get so confused, but it's the chemistry stuff gets confusing when you start to get deep into it. But essentially it was, he thinks that the the pyramids were responsible for fertilization and agriculture on the Giza Plateau.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's, that's an interesting one. I've had him on, uh, had him on the channel, uh, once.

• 1:15:54Danny Jones?

  Jeffrey Drum, that's his last name, Drum.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  And to be fair, when I said that Christopher Dunn is the one that I identify most, I haven't done a deep dive on Land of Kim's theory. I figured that next time I go to Giza, I'd link up with him personally and do it like get right from him. So I, I can't say that to, you know, when I say about Christopher Dunn, that's not taking anything away from Land of Kim, cause I'm not, I can't speak to his theory. But that, now I need to go down that rabbit hole.

• 1:16:16Danny Jones?

  So yeah, so he thinks that, um, the step pyramid was creating methane gas, which methane gas is, is used for like heating, lighting and metallurgy. So they could have been using this gas for so many different things.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:29Danny Jones?

  The methane gas in the step pyramid was then harnessed in the red pyramid to create the ammonia. And I guess there's all kinds of other explanations that, that he gives for, for the ammonia.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  This, this is my favorite part.

• 1:16:41Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Well, Land of Kim was the original name of, of Egypt and Kim has its base in alchemy, which is where we get chemistry.

• 1:16:51Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  And they were known for their, the land of Kim was black.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Because it was fertile.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Yep, yep. And the, the soil off the Nile and, um, yeah, a lot of people don't realize that Kim, Kemet was the original name for Egypt before they called it Egypt. You know, that, that was the original name and they called it Cometians. And Kemetology like Yusuf Awian, um, and that's the thing a lot of people don't realize like that was the, the Egyptians themselves today, the local populace refers to the Cometians as building the pyramids. That was something that, that floored me when I was there.

• 1:17:24Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And a lot of, a lot of the locals there don't think that it was for a tomb. I was surprised to see that as well. A lot of them think it was just something amazing. Beyond our understanding.

• 1:17:34Danny Jones?

  So he was, he went, when he was in here, he was also explaining to me how there's this layer of like. There's this chemical layer that's calcified itself on the inside of the chambers in the step pyramid, the red pyramid, and even in the great pyramid. And it's like by design because those chemicals that those pyramids were creating would have eroded the rocks. So, and the conventional explanation is it's bat shit or like bat piss.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:01Danny Jones?

  But.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Which it reeks of in there. It's so noticeable, it's unreal.

• 1:18:06Danny Jones?

  But he also says, once you get to the very, like, once you get to the very top, that top chamber in the step pyramid, there's three of them, right? And they all kind of look like the Grand Gallery, how they kind of angle up, they get smaller as they go up. He says when they were pushing water into that, into those chambers, it was pushing the gas up into the top of the chamber, compressing the gas which heats the gas up, right? And that's what created that chemical reaction into ammonia. And then he also thinks that it was a similar process in the Great Pyramid, but the Great Pyramid, I think he believes was creating sulfuric acid. And somehow the other two pyramids were used.

• 1:18:47Danny Jones?

  I have to watch that podcast again, but it was fascinating. It was really compelling the way he explained that.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Well, here's something that goes along those lines. I met this gentleman when I was in Egypt on the tour that I was on. He's a president of an air compressor company in Canada. And that's what he was saying. He was like, this reminds me of an air compressor, like the internal structure and layout. He said that like, the way it's designed, you could have, you could support enormous amounts of pressure in there.

• 1:19:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  And that was not in the context of anything from Land of Chem. This was, this was like four years ago. I don't think Land of Chem was making videos at that time. This is before.

• 1:19:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  That. And so like, that was his, just his intuitive thoughts on it. He was like, this seems like an air, like something for, you know, compression. And I'm like, that's interesting, but I never pieced the dots on that.

• 1:19:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man. And then there's like, also on some of those pyramids, there's these.

• 1:19:35Danny Jones?

  There's like these underground channels that they the conventional explanation is it was for rainwater to collect rainwater and there's these conduits that go underground that connect from the pyramids and they come out into these collection bowls. I don't know if you've seen the collect you've been there, right? Yeah, there's these big collection bowls that like, why would they be collecting rainwater? Yeah. And he thinks that was part of like the chemical collection process or something they were doing. So they're just for ceremonies. Yeah, right. Danny, come on now. It's religious. Just drop it. That's what they say about everything out there. The part of Jeff's hypothesis that I found the most interesting, of course, it's

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  the most mundane. So it has the most chance in my opinion of being accurate was they that they would build things to get zapped with lightning because it charges the ground to make for better harvests. That's something that that's something that the ancients would have would very easily have been able to notice. You know, the lightning striking the ground is the kind of thing you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna talk about man and and if it starts farming better there, you're gonna notice that. And so that that part of it and is is interesting. That part was definitely interesting. The chemical parts of it and stuff are interesting, too. Don't get me wrong. Well, it's like sono chemistry, the way he explained it to me in the Great Pyramid. Like, it's like sound resonance. The I mean, there's clearly some sort of resonant frequency happening in that Great Pyramid. Yeah. And when you mix that with chemistry, apparently, that's a real thing. Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  No, yeah, it is. It is. It's a I just it's it needs more testing. Same as same as the digging in the ground and everything else. Would they need more testing? But the first part, that part of it in particular was I would have had him on and I was listening like, okay, man, that's that's a that's a nice foundation, a good starting point for this because I it's not too out there, man. It's not out there at all. Yeah.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  You know, what's far more out there is suggesting that it was a tomb for the pharaohs.

• 1:21:18Danny Jones?

  They've never Foot dibble.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have never found, never mind, they never found a mummy in any Egyptian pyramid ever. Because you can say, oh, they eluded it. Okay, fine. Never mind that there's no glyphs on any of the walls. You know, like, you'll find it every single other known Egyptian tomb. It is floor to ceiling in glyphs, amazing, you know, artwork that shows the depiction of their lives. And in the internal structure and layout, like, a lot of people that have Haven't been or are not familiar with the mapping of the Great Pyramid as an example. They would think that it's like a maze to like hide the pharaoh. It's gonna be complicated. No, you just go down, you go up and you're in there. It's a straight shot. It's bizarre and but but when you look at it from like a side angle of the map, it is absolutely.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  It's just confusing. It doesn't. It doesn't feel like a tomb at all.

• 1:22:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  That's, you know, and and perhaps it could have been used as a tomb later on. But if I had my best guess is that it just simply was not designed with the purpose of being a tomb. I really don't think so. I can't. I don't know that for a fact and anyone that says otherwise, you know, it's like, nobody really knows. And that's kind of the fun part about this. But it's like, that's just not my impression. And I went to Egypt with people that were very skeptical of the alternative theories that are like, surely this was a tomb. And there was multiple people that said, I'm not so sure about that now. Like after walking through it, they're like, this is weird. So the mystery is real.

• 1:22:43Danny Jones?

  Did you ever go in the subterranean chamber?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:22:46Danny Jones?

  What was that like?

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Really creepy. It's like 100 feet underground and it's dark. Without light, it would be just cave black. You have to crawl through dirt through a tight little shaft just to get into it. And when you're in there, it's just quiet and it's just the the very chamber itself looks so eroded. It's weird. That was really fun to be in there.

• 1:23:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was. I don't think I could do that. I'd be too claustrophobic. But like, that's just, if you try, if you're trying to explain that that place being a pharaonic burial site or a tomb, how do you explain that subterranean chamber that it's like almost impossible for anyone to get down? And then you have that weird little shaft at the end of it on like the south side, I think, that goes nowhere.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  There's a lot of, there's a lot of things like that.

• 1:23:34Danny Jones?

  Hydraulic mechanistic machine. I don't know, man. It just, it's, it's mind blowing.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  What's what is funny is how many people will try to deny any sort of mystery with it with that when they just try to be like, tomb and tomb alone.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  That that attitude.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Ropes and pulleys.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  When we, when even the Egyptologists can't agree on exactly how it was made, it's like when they, can we not have a little bit of speculation and have a conversation? But instead they turn it into this fight. It has to be a battleground. That's really where I, that really blew my mind, sticking my nose in here. Like I was, I watched some debunking videos and stuff, but I had no idea how attached to politics a lot of this was gonna end up being. That, that, that part really, really hurts my head. It's like, come on, man. What in the actual fuck politically does the Big Rocks, the ancient Egyptians have to do with today? Seriously, I would, please enlighten me. I'm lost on that one.

• 1:24:28Danny Jones?

  Well, yeah, I want to get to that, but another thing I wanted, I wanted to talk about was, um, Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem's theory on how those chemicals were also potentially used, and this is also one of my favorite theories, for, to explain like the scoop marks in the serapium boxes, right? Or even the scoop marks under that stone of the pregnant lady.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like the Aswan quarry with all the scoops with the obelisk.

• 1:24:53Danny Jones?

  Right, so maybe there was some sort of like, or even when you, like, when you see those giant saw blades that Ben shows pictures of, those giant saw, like, looks like a massive circular saw. Cut this granite, right? Maybe that they were using some sort of chemical slurry to soften that stone and cut through it. Or like for in the serapium, if they cracked it or whatever, they could have used that to scoop it out. I think that makes a ton of sense.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  I'm very open to stone softening, especially in Peru. Egypt? It's hard to say, but what I witnessed in Peru shot, surprised me. Like it, everything, the stones look like they were marshmallowed together and that's what the legends say there. They say that there was a certain, I've heard two different things. One, that there was a bird that would nest on cliffs that would use its saliva to like essentially melt the, or not melt, but like carve away the stone. It would like have an acidic property to it. Then I also have heard that it was actually a plant. But whatever it was, the legends going back in Peru say that there was something they used to soften the stone. And then when I was in Cusco, as well as in Saxe-Woman and Cusco, when I put my hands between the stone that had essentially been moved through, you know, time and earthquakes and whatever.

• 1:26:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  It was, it was as smooth as smooth gets. It was as if the stones had literally been pushed together and marshmallowed together. It wasn't, I was expecting to feel like a saw blade in there. No, it was. And it was totally smooth. And I'm like, and when you look at it, it bulges on the sides of it.

• 1:26:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Honestly, I'm very open minded that those stones had been softened.

• 1:26:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  What confuses me in Egypt is that when I look at the 1,000 ton Ramesseum statue, I'm like, I'm not so sure that that was involving stone softening. And I have seen other marks of saw, evidence of stones that had been cut throughout Egypt with the granite. So I don't know what to think as far as like the geopolymer narrative goes.

• 1:26:44Danny Jones?

  Well, geopolymer is a little different, right? Geopolymer is like concrete.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, casting.

• 1:26:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's like the bit into the new crave. I'm seeing a lot of things of. But when Peru, I'm like, there's something there. Like that, that stuff is bizarre.

• 1:26:58Danny Jones?

  Even when I asked Ed Barnhart, I asked him, I'm like, if you could take a time machine and go anywhere in history to see one thing, what would it be? He's like, I want to see how they fucking built those megalithic structures. He's like, I don't think the conventional explanation makes sense.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  I love it. I love it. And it is bizarre, like with those polygonal stones.

• 1:27:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Found on five continents around the world. And, you know, some people say, well, that's just basic human ingenuity. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know about that. And there's stones there that like, so they're going to say that it was done with bronze, chisels, or stone hammers. And I'm like, when you look at the sophistication of these stones, how they're perfectly, you know, flush with each other. I'm like, that was not done with a stone hammer. Not on that, not on granite.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Well, the Garcelaso de la Vega, who was descended of an Inca noblewoman and a Spanish conquistador, is considered one of the best, the best sources from those days, right? Best contemporary source from the post-colonial days of the Inca. And he talks about the legend of them moving one of the big rocks in Cusco, and it falling off of a precipice and killing like 3,000 people. And it took like 40,000 or 30,000 people to move the stone. What he describes is basically unreal.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  It's like what you read it, you're just like, okay, this didn't fucking happen.

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Right. It was ultimately a failure as he described, right?

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  And he describes it as a failure, yes. Which is something that you find a lot. It's a very interesting little tidbit that you see in a lot of South American legends. Like there's the one that's this, the legend of Namlap. It's not even that complicated. There's a short-lived in history, in the historical timeline, is a short-lived little culture called Namlap. They had. A temple, a couple of pyramids, and they had an idol. According to their legend, they showed up via boat with this idol. They were able to move the idol, they put it inside of a pyramid. Then one of the, their descendants of their king, after a few generations, wants to move the idol, but he's incapable of doing so. And there's more of the story, but that's my point there is you see this kind of thing happen

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  a lot in South America where you, these little stories of my ancestors moved this big ass rock and I tried to do it and fail miserably. And it's catastrophically, in the same, in the same case with name life, it doesn't fall and kill 3,000 people, the king ends up screwing a demon and it causes a flood that kills his people. But anyway, same thing, it's catastrophic, but yeah. It's just interesting, you see these stories pop up a lot in South America, where it's like, there seems to have been a tradition of the people before us could move bigger rocks than us now.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Hmm. Which is wild, because like, if you go back to Egypt, the most impressive pyramids are the oldest ones and they get shittier as time goes on. A lot of people aren't aware that there's approximately 118 pyramids in all of Egypt. The ones of Giza get all the attention. But there are hundreds that are just, they're like made of mud bricks, they get crappier as time goes on.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  And nowhere near the sophistication of the, of the

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  For the example.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  Old dynasty.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  The Old Kingdom. Yeah, look at that.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  A crap box.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's the same thing in South America too. That's Fifth Dynasty, yeah. Not very long, not much later at all.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of shitty pyramids in South America too, a lot of, a lot of which are thought to have been like, um, ancient landfills.

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  You know, like they, they were building pyramids for multiple reasons, they didn't just have to be to communicate with the gods and sacrifice babies.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, look at this, and the other one above the Pyramid of Harara, um, look at that.

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  That doesn't even look like a pyramid.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  No, it's mud brick, when you look closer, it's a bunch of mud bricks.

• 1:30:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, man. Why the hell won't, why do you think they won't look into that void in the pyramid?

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Well, the number one explanation is they just don't want to damage the pyramid. And I appreciate that. However, they've already drilled the fuck out of it. They used tons of dynamite to blow their way in 150 years ago.

• 1:30:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  And like the route is that they could do a small little diameter, they could drill it.

• 1:30:57Danny Jones?

  Just like they did with the gate and breaks door, right? They sure, they drilled a little hole through that door to see what was behind it.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Right. And so it's like, the fact that it's been seven years, it just, I don't, to me, if I was running the show out there, isn't that like a number one priority? It's like, oh, we've discovered a void.

• 1:31:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Now let's go in and, and figure it out. And the fact that it's been seven years since. Really confused. I just, there's no feasible explanation that makes sense to me. I'm like, especially with how much conjecture there is about how the pyramid was built, or whether it was a tomb for the pharaohs. I, I just, I can't wrap my head around how we haven't done it all.

• 1:31:31Danny Jones?

  Is it maybe because there's too much? There's, there's too much stone in between the, where would they start? Would they start from the outside?

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  I think they go from the top of the Grand Gallery.

• 1:31:40Danny Jones?

  The top of the Grand Gallery?

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm not sure. There would probably be, they might even be able to, to slip.

• 1:31:46Danny Jones?

  Steve, can you find a?

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Partially through the, the courses and stuff from the outside without the case and stones there. I mean, I'm not sure. You'd have to look at that. Look at it, what's different possible areas of attack. But yeah, there's, I, I don't see it being that, that invasive. I don't see any way it could be that invasive.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  And they could just patch up that hole when they're done.

• 1:32:05Danny Jones?

  Steve, find the schematics of the.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Type in map.

• 1:32:09Danny Jones?

  There you go, map.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  Use Muon if you want to find the, the, uh, the, the.

• 1:32:15Danny Jones?

  Muon?

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, Muon is the particles that they use to find the.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:32:19Danny Jones?

  What was it?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Just type in Great Pyramid.

• 1:32:21Danny Jones?

  I thought this was like some sort of like satellite thing they used to find this.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  It, it, it's basically this thing that launches, um, uh, the solar particles.

• 1:32:30Danny Jones?

  Type in void.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, it's kind of shows it there, but it's kind of small.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  I'll find it.

• 1:32:36Danny Jones?

  What are the, what is the actual name for it?

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  It's like scan pyramid.

• 1:32:40Danny Jones?

  There you go. There you go. Click that and, and fricking blow that up.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Danny Jones?

  It's crazy that that thing's the size of a jumbo jet.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's something like 140 or 150 feet long. And I'm not exactly sure how tall. They don't know exact measurements, but they think it's rectangular, but it's, it's, they don't know for sure.

• 1:32:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And it had to have had a purpose.

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• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Certainly. Now, some people say, oh, well, maybe it's just for construction. You know, it was how they hauled the stones up a ramp or something like that, and that's feasible as well. But the reality is like, okay, well, let's go in and take a peek. And then maybe we'll be, we'll look at it and be like, aha, okay, this answers some questions. I don't, I mean, if anything, it's probably, if my best guess is that it's a second so-called Grand Gallery. I say so-called because I don't think the King's Chamber was a King's Chamber. I don't think the Grand Gallery was this gallery that, oh, we walked up to ascend to the tomb to say goodbye to the Pharaoh after having a wonderful life. Nah. Whatever it was, though, it's, you can infer that maybe it was a second Grand Gallery. Now, what's the purpose of the Grand Gallery? Some people have suggested it's for hauling up the stones in the first place. Like, there's a lot of conjecture.

• 1:34:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  Nobody knows.

• 1:34:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, nobody knows. That's, that's the beauty of the whole thing.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. But how the hell have they not gone looking at? Like, I really struggle.

• 1:34:54Danny Jones?

  That's what it looks like. It looks like it would be easiest to go through the King's Chamber to get to that thing.

• 1:34:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:58Danny Jones?

  Or the Grand Gallery. Definitely not from the outside. Looks like a lot of space from the outside.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  Right. Hundreds of feet. That's the wild thing. So when you, when you, a lot of people don't understand just how big the Great Pyramid is. When it had its capstone, it was the height of a forty-seven story building, which would, which would dominate the skyline in most cities. Uh, you know, even around the world. Um, but when you stand at its base, because it's seven hundred and fifty-five feet wide at all four bases. That means that it's over a hundred meters from the base to the center of the pyramid.

• 1:35:30Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:35:31Speaker 01

  So when you're looking at it from the bottom, you can't really see the top because it just keeps going and going and going. It just kind of. Yeah.

• 1:35:37Danny Jones?

  That's bizarre.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  Huge. You need to see it in person because when you walk up to it, you, you keep walking and getting, and you, you feel like you're getting closer and it's like. It's not till you get close that you realize like, oh my God, like this thing is, I call it stupid big. Like they could have made it half the size and still blown people's minds.

• 1:35:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  It's so stupid big that like, well, they were just trying to be impressive and stuff. I'm like, they could have made it smaller and impressed everybody.

• 1:36:02Danny Jones?

  Right. When you go there, have you been there?

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  I haven't. I want to go, but I haven't been able to.

• 1:36:07Danny Jones?

  I heard through the people that have been on the show that the best way to go there is to, is to get that dude Yusuf to take you around. I've heard he's like, got all the.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  I've done all three times with him.

• 1:36:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  He has the connections. He grew up in Egypt, right across the street from the Sphinx. Uh, his father, uh, the late Akim Abdel Awian was a ancient wisdom keeper that taught gametology. And.

• 1:36:28Danny Jones?

  His name's Yusuf Awian?

• 1:36:29Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:36:30Danny Jones?

  Okay. Shout out Yusuf.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, uh, with the Kemet School of Ancient Mysticism. Um, he's a total sweetheart. Um, he's a very nice guy and it's very apparent when you travel with him. But that you see the respect he has from the people that work the sites, the, the guards and whatnot. He's very generous. So he, he tips his way to get, uh, you know, all the things you want. Um, I shouldn't, I don't know if I should say that or not, but it's all right. Um, this is the rally in Egypt. This is no secret. Everyone tips like it's.

• 1:36:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you can like, you can like grease somebody to get like a private couple of minutes in the King's Chamber, right?

• 1:37:02Speaker 01

  I've, I have done it. And, um. And that's how it works and it's the Egyptian government and the antiquities are not doing anything to stop it. They know what's going on. It's okay.

• 1:37:12Danny Jones?

  How many people go on their honeymoon and like greasing the guy to go fuck their wife in the king's

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  I was just gonna say, I'm wait, I'm waiting for the, for the sound clip to come from this where Jimmy Corsetti admits to greasing people to fuck them in the Great Pyramid.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  I've had sex in the Great Pyramid so many times.

• 1:37:27Danny Jones?

  Jimmy Corsetti's ancient sex ritual, cult rituals.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  I'm launching my OnlyFans inside the Great Pyramid this summer.

• 1:37:34Speaker 02

  We're only doing a swastika cover.

• 1:37:35Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, bro. Could you imagine?

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  Nazi YouTuber has sex with the Great Pyramid.

• 1:37:41Speaker 02

  Let's go guys!

• 1:37:43Danny Jones?

  There's good photos of people fucking on top of the pyramid.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, that German couple or a friend or baby from France, that was, that really caused an uproar in Egypt.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  Oh, I bet.

• 1:37:53Danny Jones?

  Fucking cool, man. That's legendary.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  That's my high club and a half right there.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  I'd do it, you know?

• 1:37:59Danny Jones?

  Hey babe, you wanna go fuck on top of the Great Pyramid of Egypt?

• 1:38:04Danny Jones?

  Also, that view from up there is pretty incredible.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:08Danny Jones?

  That just, that gives you, that gives you a pretty good perspective of how enormous those things are. And that's another thing I told to Jeffrey too, when he was in here. I was like, I was like, God, your, your theory makes so much sense, but like, I, what really breaks my brain is that when you look at those monumental, enormous, symbolic structures on the landscape of, landscape of Giza, you, I, my brain wants to think that there are these giant electricity machines that were powering the society with free energy.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  Wireless, baby.

• 1:38:40Danny Jones?

  I don't want to think it had to do with agriculture. You know what I mean?

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Right, right. And I, I don't think-

• 1:38:45Danny Jones?

  But it's Occam's razor, you know what I mean? It's kind of like Occam's razor where it's like the, it's the most, I think, mundane, reasonable explanation.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  And that might be it. That might be it, you know? What I don't think though is, what are you referring to, Tomb for the Pharaohs or for just agriculture?

• 1:39:00Danny Jones?

  I was referring to his agriculture theory.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that makes far more sense than Tomb, you know? So, yeah, I love, it's such a fun controversy, um, you know, a fun thing to debate. Uh, it's just that I tell people like, go travel to Egypt and think for yourself, walk through the Great Pyramid and see if you really feel like that's a tomb and then go visit the Valley of the Kings as well as the Mastaba's. So the whole complex of Giza being a funerary complex, there are the buildings are called Mastaba's and go look through those, you know, known burials and it's like, oh, this makes sense. It's totally a tomb. I get it. And then you walk in the pyramid and, and I, I remember standing in line there the last time I was there. I didn't do it with the tour. And so there was this other, um, tourist there. And I remember hearing this girl say, she's like, this is a tomb? Like, like with

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  total doubt. And it's like, when you walk through it, it's like, it just doesn't have that vibe. And there was, again, when I visited there, there was people that went into it thinking it was a tomb. And then at the end of it, they're like, they had doubts. They're like, I don't know about that. And that was after having gone in the Valley of the Kings. Oh, wow.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Well, even if it was like, uh, like I talk about being part of a funerary complex, like with my idea earlier, um, like the three stars being laid out in the pat of Orion's belt, Osiris was Orion to the Egyptians, and that was the god that brought you through the underworld back to the other side, right? So it would make sense. But even if it was, it would make sense they would put that there and those three would be part of a resurrection ritual potentially. But even if that was the case, um, I don't think it was made for any one individual, uh, pharaoh. And, um, History for Granted, actually, if you guys know who he is on YouTube, uh, he does a lot of, uh, in-depth.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  What is he again?

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  History for Granted.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  He does a lot of deep dives into, uh, the pyramid in ancient Egypt itself. And, uh, one of the things that he points out is the, uh, the portcullis doors are set up in a manner that they are designed to be opened and closed again. They're not designed to be dropped and placed there permanently. They're designed to be revisited. And it's almost like this might've been a spot that people, all three of those pyramids potentially could have been in place where it was. You would stop, the pharaoh dies, we do this, do this, do this, this is part of this ceremony, this is part of the ceremony, this is part of the ceremony. And that would explain why when we did crack open the one sarcophagus that was in, I forget which pyramid, the one sarcophagus they found still sealed in the pyramid, when they opened it, it was fucking empty.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Which is bizarre.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  But if it wouldn't be so bizarre if they were all symbolic. You just bring the pharaoh in here and sprinkle him around a little bit, set him next to the sarcophagus and then take him out after a month. This is just step one of, and if you look at their theories, or their legends, excuse me, they have like forty-two gates to go through, depending on what time that you're looking at the, which dynasty. They have all these different ideas about how many gates you had to go through, how many stations you had to go through, the way and the heart and all that shit. Wouldn't be outside of the realm of possibility for them to emulate that on the ground.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  The pyramids were one hundred percent tombs.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  And anyone that disagrees is a Nazi. It's very clear. Yes, exactly.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  It is kind of funny, actually, how you can't have that discussion with some people. I mean, we've all got the people, like, to give the archaeologists a little bit of a fair shake here, we've all got people in our comment section that are on the other side of things, that are like certain that their theory's right. And they'll come in there and be like, you're a fucking idiot. Look, man, all you gotta do is watch this one video, go read this one article and you'll know everything you need to know. So it's not like it's just the debunkers, the skeptics that have that attitude.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  But fuck me, they seem to be the worst about it. And they're certainly the ones that stand between guys like us and actually getting into that fucking hidden chamber.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Speaker 02

  Right? And so that's, like, and some of the attitudes, like, some of these people, like, when you were asking about Gobekli Tepe, and you started bringing that up, and John Hoops, the archaeologist that has made a career, basically, of attacking Graham Hancock, he went out of, he made this post that was like, as far as I'm concerned, they should, they can encase the Gobekli Tepe in concrete. We've got enough to keep all of the...

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Said that?

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  It's in writing.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  It's on Twitter.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  And he wasn't, I wanted to believe he was joking, but like, nah.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  Even if, he even says, though, they could use a visitor's center like they do the Lusso caves. It's like, he fucking straight up, he's just, and even if that's not where he's standing, even if that's not his position, if it's hyperbole. The fact of the matter is this in this PR discussion about what to do with Gobekli Tepe, we have Jimmy Corsetti, AKA the Nazi, AKA the fucking pseudo-scientist quack.

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  Pseudo-archaeologist.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yes, the nut job, the conspiracy theorist versus the tenured scientist. It's an educator.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  I studied at Yale and Harvard, sir.

• 1:43:39Danny Jones?

  Doesn't that guy have, uh, special permission to like edit Wikipedia articles?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Well, it's not special permission, but he's, he's been doing it for so long that he's just in charge of a lot of that.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  He controls locked accounts, like I can't go in.

• 1:43:49Danny Jones?

  How the fuck does anyone get access to do that?

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  Good question.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  God, I think eventually, I think what they end up doing, I, I could be wrong. I think what happens is you end up kind of consistently getting other people to moderate, because there's, there's Wikipedia moderators. So eventually you work your way up into being the Reddit mod of Wikipedia. Well, now it's your fucking Reddit page, right?

• 1:44:07Danny Jones?

  I was reading something on, I think, I can't remember who, on one of your guys tweets, where it was saying that John Hoops on his Wikipedia said he encourages his academ- his students to do the same thing.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, he teaches them that. He says it's actually part of his curriculum.

• 1:44:20Danny Jones?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Fucking insane, man.

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  This is a guy that's, he got his undergrad, I believe from Harvard and his PhD from Yale, or it's vice versa, but he studied at both. So that's supposed to be very prestigious. And he's gone on to be so toxic. Like, like you said, he made a career out of just attacking Graham Hancock.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  And let's be real clear there. With that tweet that I'm talking about, we have Jimmy Corsetti saying, go do some fucking archaeology. And we have an archaeologist going, nah, nah, fuck you. I don't like Jimmy. I don't want to do the archaeology. And it's the same thing with so many, look at Danny Hillman, Nadia Wajad's work, got a track attacked because of its association with Graham Hancock, right? If it hadn't have been for that, we wouldn't have had a retraction, all that shit with the Gunung Padang, right? That's the guy who did Gunung Padang. It's the same kind of thing. It's just like your association with the wrong people in case it in concrete.

• 1:45:06Speaker 01

  And yeah, the thing is, is that all I'm doing is advocating for further study and excavation. I'm trying to give these people jobs. So they, they, they talk like Jimmy Corsetti hates archaeologists. They say this and I'm like, no, I don't. That's what? Who, what? No, that's, that's ridiculous. And I'm trying to give you guys jobs here. If I was like, you know, king of the world, I would be signing, you know, I'd be flicking my wrist to be like, okay, you guys now have jobs. I'd give it to all of them, like just. Dig these sites up and it's all learned together. This is a win-win for everybody. And I, I never realized I would get as much backlash as I have. Like this happened way before the swastika thing. That was like, that was just icing on the cake. For a couple of years before that, they were coming after me hard. And I had never done anything to them.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  Flint Dibble and John Hoops had preemptively blocked me before I had any type of correspondence with them. At all. I had never spoken about them negatively, nothing. And I was blocked and I'm like, what? Like, I don't understand it. And so it's just been a war ever since and it really got, it escalated after season one of Ancient Apocalypse. With Graham Hancock, that they were preemptively telling people not to watch it. They were telling people to give it a thumbs down before it ever even aired. So before, let me just clarify that. Before it aired, they say that once it does air, hit thumbs down on it. And I'm like, you haven't even seen it. And I'm like, you're just trying to destroy that like, and, and even with like other people like Mini Minute Man, who I have nothing against personally, I think he, uh, his name's Milo Rossi. He has a channel called Mini Minute Man. It has over 2 million subs.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  Um, and he's more along the academic mainstream side. For example, he had done a whole exposé on debunking Graham Hancock. He said, I, I watched Ancient Apocalypse, so you don't have to. That's the title of the series and he got many millions of views.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I have heard of this guy.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  And you know, he's a, he's a young gentleman. And I think highly of him. I, him and I disagree on a lot of things, but I like his spirit. He's highly engaging.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:58Speaker 01

  He'd be somebody to bring on this podcast, like, you know, talk to him. You know, I like him, even though I don't think he likes me. I don't think he, he no longer likes Dan.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, me and him used to get along well, but the whole Flint Dibble debacle and.

• 1:47:11Danny Jones?

  So the thing about Flint Dibble is, is so interesting to me, right? Like, the YouTube comments are such a fascinating thing.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 1:47:21Danny Jones?

  It, it is incredible. Some people hate them. Some people love them. I think they're super fascinating. Because a lot of times if there are.

• 1:47:33Danny Jones?

  There's an overwhelming opinion in the YouTube comments. There can be a lot of truth to it. I see it in my own videos. But also, another thing that's true at the same time is there's a pylon effect on YouTube where some people, where there's all these comments saying the same thing. Somebody doesn't want to come in and that who thinks differently and state that they think differently and just get attacked. They want to go with the flow or what everyone else is saying. There's like this weird thing. And when the Flint Dibble Graham debate happened, I watched that before reading any comments, I listened to it. I was like, wow. I was like Flint is compelling. Like Flint. I was like, wow, he body bagged Graham. Like I, that was my, that was my gut reaction to it. I'm like,

• 1:48:15Danny Jones?

  he was fucking taking things that Graham was saying. He was finishing Graham's sentences. He was filling in the gaps, giving context to shit Graham was saying. And then I felt like Graham was like on his heels the whole time, then trying to come at him with the, the anti, he was saying that Graham was like a, accusing him of being a Nazi, which bullshit. I think that's completely shitty of him. I, I hate that. But like, I felt like he, he didn't have the, the evidence or the knowledge to, to come, to basically combat what Flint was providing, the evidence that Flint was providing. Then I read the comments and I was like, hold, am I retarded? Am I seeing something that no one

• 1:48:55Danny Jones?

  else is seeing? Like what's going on here? And then when I had Flint on, the amount of backlash that I got from having Flint on was unbelievable.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  I saw that and I didn't like that because I'm like, props to you for bringing him on. Like Flint and I think very differently. And in fact, I think Flint hates me. I don't hate Flint. But like, props to you for bringing him on. Cause yeah, you got like all kinds of backlash for that. And it's like,

• 1:49:18Danny Jones?

  we have, we have a, what was it? Our Discord, Steve? Discord moderator. We have a guy who created our Discord, right? Who like did it. We didn't pay him or anything. He did this like, for free to help us out. Cause I guess he was a fan of the show and then he built this crazy Discord thing for our Patreon community, which was great. And then when we released that Graham or that Flint Dibble podcast, he went in like basically deleted everything. He like wiped out our whole Discord and then left.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:49:44Danny Jones?

  That's how, that's how passionate these people are about this stuff. That shit's crazy to me.

• 1:49:48Speaker 01

  It's almost a religion, actually.

• 1:49:49Danny Jones?

  It is like a religion, man. It really is.

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I will say this about that debate. I bet you have a lot to say. My impression of it is that. They didn't, Flint did not facilitate what I would consider to be an entertaining conversation to the mysteries. For example, they started talking about Yonaguni, the so-called underwater monument off the coast of an island from Japan. And you already familiar with this? It looks like steps underwater?

• 1:50:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I remember it from the podcast.

• 1:50:17Speaker 01

  So that one is, I consider an enigma. I think that it was man-made of some kind. And if that's the case, it would have happened at least 12,000 years ago was the last time the site was above water. It doesn't look, and the reason why I think that it's not natural, and I've repeatedly asked for it, I've even gone and asked Robert Schock, I've said, "If this is natural, then okay, show me just one other site from anywhere else on earth that even looks remotely comparable to this." It's been nothing but cricket since. But circling back to when they were having the conversation on Rogan, Graham brings it up. It was gonna be a whole topic of conversation. Flint's like, "This is just natural." The end. And like, the conversation just moved right on. And I'm like, "Hold on a second, there's more to discuss there." So Flint, you know, I would, I want to hear

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  Danny's, or Dan's thoughts on this because like, that's a, that's, no one has dived into this more than you.

• 1:51:06Danny Jones?

  And then Flint, there was a part when they were discussing that, that those underwater structures where I think even Rogan was looking at it. And he was, I think he was like, compelled by Flint's description of it being natural. Even Rogan was like, "Yeah, this looks natural." Like Graham, explain that.

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  I don't remember it that way, but you could be right. I'd have to go.

• 1:51:22Speaker 02

  In places, in places, Yonaguni does look like it may well be natural. I mean, to play devil's advocate, if it did sink 12,000 years ago underwater, it's been underwater for 12,000 fucking years, man. It's gonna have some natural looking shit, right?

• 1:51:36Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  But to, well, you know, what Jim was pointing out with that, Flint was not just dismissive of it. A better example of the same thing was when they talked about Ganong Padang, and they were talking about the potential artifacts, the Ka Jang Stone. And Flint just laughed at it. Literally laughed. And it's like, okay.

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  Ma'am, I talked about this before. Carl Sagan was a great science fucking communicator. And the reason, one of the reasons he was because he knew who his audience was. His audience was interested amateurs and interested amateurs doesn't come in there because they wanted to know the spectrometry of a star. They wanted to know about aliens and shit, right?

• 1:52:12Danny Jones?

  There's a lot of arrogance that goes into some of these scholars.

• 1:52:15Speaker 02

  So when you come in and somebody asks about this, this site, this Yonaguni and underwater monument, and you're just, well, what you have effectively done is not only have you dismissed the, the, this interested amateur, but you've left the vacuum open for Jim, for me, for Graham, to be the one that fucking says, hey, this is what Yonaguni is. And then they cry about it afterwards and say, well, why does nobody like real archaeology? Well, because you deliberately made it fucking boring. You wear an Indiana Jones hat because you know that Indiana Jones was the reason. You started getting into this shit. You know that's what's interesting. You know it's what's fun. But you don't want to look for no lost archaeology.

• 1:52:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, even I had, I got Flint to admit on this podcast when he came in here. I, I think it was towards the front of the podcast that a lot of his, uh, people that he works with in archaeology got into archaeology because of Graham Hancock. And now he says that they, you know, they don't believe what he says, whatever. But like my, going back to the Flint conversation with Graham, like I thought Flint did such a good job. Not Monday morning quarterback, quarterbacking it. I know a lot of the stuff that he said was actually wrong. Whether he said it, whether he lied intentionally or whether he was just trying to win, quote unquote, win the debate, which I don't think makes sense in the debate. It's not supposed to be a, like a, a MMA fight. It's supposed to be something for people to learn. It's subjective, right? Everything, everything. How it should be. It's, it's, it's all of it's like who you think won or whatever. That's completely subjective.

• 1:53:37Danny Jones?

  And, um, I learned a lot from it. But like, when you go on Twitter and you subtweet everything Graham says about like, Graham, you fucking lost. Look how much I killed Graham in this debate. That's not a good look. You're shooting yourself in the foot by doing that.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  Well, it also betrays the, uh, there's a couple of things that betrayed the mentality going into it. One, um, I have a hard time with the, maybe he didn't lie because as you said, he's finishing Graham's sentences. He was fucking prepared.

• 1:54:05Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  When he's putting the wrong slide on the screen, that's not, and that's. That's not, that's not a mistake, bro. That's not, that's not, that's not something you can just say, oh, sorry, man. I handed you the wrong piece of paper here. You fucking, you've been preparing that one a long time. So there's a lot of that to begin with, but also in addition to that, that whole afterwards, he posts the video right away, talking about, oh, I'm feeling good. I kicked Graham's ass. I'll check out this mean people. Okay.

• 1:54:28Danny Jones?

  Like, come on. If you really, if you really did that good, let the people talk for you. You don't have to be the one pounding your chest.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  Think that he had, do you think that mentality just immediately sprang into his brain after the debate was over? Fuck no, that thing was fostered there. It's been there all his life.

• 1:54:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't think he went into that with an open mind.

• 1:54:45Speaker 01

  I think he went into it, uh, to be combative and to be honest with you, I felt like that podcast, like to have a debate that's engaging for the audience, I look at it like a dance. You need a good dance partner. If you're a good dancer, you need a good dance partner. And I feel like it didn't do Graham Hancock's three decades of work justice and that he has shared numerous legitimate mysteries about ancient civilizations. And that debate did not allow that to be showcased. I felt like there was just so many times that Flint had just scoffed off certain things through some giggling and some laughs. That didn't allow the true mysteries that Graham Hancock has, has shown to the world for so many decades to flourish.

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  I thought Graham did the best he could and I, in my mind, I thought he won because in my mind, I'm thinking like these, these mysteries of ancient civilizations have not been addressed. The mystery is still there. Um, the part that bothered me the most though, it's one thing to misrepresent certain data or whatever on things that people have said that he lied about. The part that bothered me the most was that he tried to portray that he hadn't associated Graham with white supremacy. They brought up a, an article and Flint said, these aren't my words, but it was actually from an exact tweet of Flint's and I ended up putting that on blast.

• 1:55:55Danny Jones?

  He was doing crazy jujitsu to try to weasel his way out of that one.

• 1:55:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it was, and it's like, nah, like he, cause he did the same thing to me. I'm like, he's saying, I'm then, so you're white supremacist. I'm like, it doesn't matter. You're associating it with, and that's exactly.

• 1:56:07Danny Jones?

  People are reading the headline of those articles and they're taking that from, they're not going to go down to the fifth paragraph and try to like, actually understand the context. Most people don't have time to do that. Like, you know what you're doing there.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  And let's be clear. I mean, he, as a scientist coming in to weigh in on his field of science or the pseudo version of his field of study. Why the fuck are you talking about this, this, this political shit? What the fuck does that have to do with rocks in the ground and fucking all, all these, all this metallurgy and all these evidence? No, no, no, this is a red herring specifically designed so that when you Google, you see that headline. It's, it's, it's a scorched earth tactic, 110%. And, and the guy's done it to me with other scientists that I've tried to talk to and stuff since then. And it was, uh, Ed, Ed Barnhart was a guy I'd like to work with, but I'm, I, I know that some, uh, archaeologists have been hounding him and telling him that they, I'm, I'm a bad person that I shouldn't be spoken with or whatever.

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  And I know, I've been told by other archaeologists that I, they want to work with me, but they're afraid to do it because of their career. So even other YouTubers that aren't archaeologists that are just like, I'm, I watched him to, uh, the Ice Corps Specialist, I watched, uh, Flint in real time, lie to him, say that Dan believes, he's wanting this to prove ancient high technology exists when he knows as well as you guys do that I don't believe in ancient high tech as far as that goes. So it's, I'm, and he knew that before, like I, I'm different than Jim. I got along with John and Flint when I first started making videos. Yeah, I, I was considered kind of a, a tolerable conspiracy nut, right? I, I'm, I'm the one that's, he, he'll at least turn around and he, he might say that we're wrong about this, but he'll turn around and say they're wrong about that too.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  So we'll, we'll put up with him. He's usually following the science. But when I started pointing out that when they talk about racism, particularly the letter that they sent, uh, to Netflix, about Graham Hancock, the Society of American Archaeology, that letter, I started hammered away at the falsehoods and that, and how this, this, this narrative is, isn't quite accurate. You guys are bullshitting things here to make things seem a little different than they are.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  What was that letter?

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  They tried to get to the, they tried to get Netflix to make the documentary series a science fiction series.

• 1:58:13Speaker 01

  You want it relabeled from documentary?

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  And they, uh, wanted, um, the one, the big thing there was they said that what I took real umbrance with was they said that the, that this idea dated back to Ignatius Donnelly and his books, and then they tried to tie it in with him being, uh, you know, white supremacy type of person. And, um, the, the stuff came from before that. It, it, it gets really complicated, but bottom line is this bullshit. The guy, Ignatius Donnelly's, his Wikipedia page has fucking his sources on there that were not racist, thought the Mayans were the Atlanteans, that weren't white supremacists at all. But they skipped that because they can't say, they want to make it look like Atlantis hunting started with white supremacy, and that's how they portrayed it to Netflix. So when I called them out on it, it was kind of fucking radio silence for about a month, and it was during Christmas time, so I let everybody

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  chill. But after I started pushing on it and pushing on it and pushing on it, I started making enemies really quickly. It was like, I'm, this is a political thing, clearly, it had fuck all to do with the science. And that's when I started losing friends that were archaeologists pretty fast.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  And to be clear, in that letter, they associated these theories with dangerous extremism.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  They have those words in there.

• 1:59:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  And, you know, far right and other things. And I'm like, that's going too far. That's not what this is. We're talking about the mysteries of the ancients.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  As you click on that, that blue link there where it says the SAA's letter, you can read the letter itself.

• 1:59:29Danny Jones?

  See where it says "letter" in blue?

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  It's short and it's, it's short.

• 1:59:34Danny Jones?

  This is the actual letter.

• 1:59:35Speaker 02

  Scroll down to the, in between two pages and you can read the, the spicy bit.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:42Danny Jones?

  The host of this series repeatedly and vigorously dismisses archaeologists and the practice of archaeology with aggressive rhetoric, wildly seeking to cause harm to our membership and our profession in the public eye. Netflix identifies and, uh, ad, advertises the series as a docu-series, a genre that implies its content is grounded in fact, when the content of the show is based on false claim.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  No, it gets worse than this.

• 2:00:08Danny Jones?

  I don't understand that.

• 2:00:09Speaker 01

  This is, this is mild. This is not the, this is.

• 2:00:12Danny Jones?

  Keep going.

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  Further down.

• 2:00:14Danny Jones?

  It is a documentary. What, how is it not a doc, it's a docu-series, it is a docu-series.

• 2:00:19Speaker 02

  And really quickly, if you scroll up for one second again and look at those really fast, notice that both of those first two. They give something away very telling here. This is complaining about the science, right?

• 2:00:29Danny Jones?

  They're throwing in these things like racist white supremacy ideologies.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  If they're complaining about the science being wrong, why does it say it vigorously dismisses archaeologists?

• 2:00:37Danny Jones?

  See, that's a cop out. When you're trying to say things like it is, they're threatening Netflix to say racist, white supremacist, and it threatens indigenous people. Okay, now you're holding a gun to Netflix's head. It's basically what you're doing because you can't present a reasonable argument. So you have to throw in these, these threats basically that you're going to be associated with white supremacy, which is the same thing Flint fucking did in here. When he came, when we had this great conversation about Atlantis and he convinced me, I mean, he did a really good job of convincing me why Atlantis could possibly be bullshit. And then I asked him about the vases and he like laughed in my face and he said, I talked about a guy you guys both know, Matt Bell.

• 2:01:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, wonderful guy.

• 2:01:15Danny Jones?

  Great guy, lives right on the street from here.

• 2:01:17Speaker 02

  You see, if I throw a rock and hit his house from here.

• 2:01:18Danny Jones?

  Who buys these vases off the antiquities market? And I was asking Flint, I'm like, what do you think about these? He goes, I can't even, I can't even be in the same room with one of those because, because anybody who purchases these things is literally threatening people's lives and they're funding cartels and funding cartel violence by purchasing these things. So you're like, you, you're dismissing the argument and by creating this bullshit excuse why you can't entertain the conversation.

• 2:01:47Speaker 02

  Was he talking about cocaine or vases, man? I mean, what the fuck are we on about here?

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  Matt bought those legally and you know, if he wants to make that argument, you could say that there are no greater looters than archaeologists. Yeah, I could use that same argument as you guys are grave robbers. You're literally digging up graves and taking it and putting it to other countries and, and.

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  Well, let's be very clear. Any of the vases that have good providence in a country like the United States will be repatriated. It's the very fact that Matt is able to purchase those tells you that there's an issue with the providence, which is why guys like David Miano will pick at the providence and say, well, we don't know for sure these came from ancient Egypt. And it's also why Matt, it's funny, they play both sides of this.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  And let me just say on that, people say they'll doubt their authenticity. I'm like, well, I've been to Egypt, I've been in the museums and those same vases are in there behind glass. Same, same examples. Yeah, they're right there. I have pictures.

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, and Matt, and Matt spends stupid fucking money on these vases. He's not alone, right?

• 2:02:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  Adam Young spent stupid money on these vases. You think, you think that the antiquity dealers that are selling these things are going to be like, oh, you know what? Fuck my, fuck, fuck this guy, fuck all my credibility because I'm going to get 10 grand off this face.

• 2:02:51Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:02:51Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. They ain't going to deal with, with fakes.

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  But if they if they think they're fake, then go to the Cairo Museum where you can see them balancing like on an eggshell. You know what I'm talking about with the real rounded bottom where it like it's sitting balanced. Uh, it's hard to explain. It's like an eggshell bottom.

• 2:03:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, they don't sit flat. I have one. You want to grab that little 3D print right there?

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  I pointed the one right behind you. That's

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  because it's got the, yeah, the eggshell bottom like you're talking about.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Yep. And so to the audience, I'm assuming this camera.

• 2:03:18Speaker 02

  I can't even be in the room with that.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, it's amazing. And yeah, they have those at the Cairo Museum behind glass and they look, it's the same material. You can see it and like, these are the same. When I I handled Matt Bell's, look, how do I say that they're authentic? They're real granite and they're amazing. Um, he has certificates of authenticity, but you know, people can just argue that away and say, oh, everything, you know, but I'm like, I have no doubt that they're real and it, but the discussion is this, is that how was this a granite piece like this? Well, this is a 3D, but I'm telling you like the real life deal. How is that constructed with the alleged primitive methods with hand tools? Um, when they're so symmetrical down to like thousands of an inch. Um, and to balance the way they are, I'm like, how was that done with hand tools like that?

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  You know, that's the real discussion. Um, and to say that it was done with, you know, stone hammers and bronze chisels. Okay. Well, if that's, if they want to advocate for that, then simply create one with those methods. I, this is one thing I keep saying, like, when it comes to like, you know, the cut, the cutting of granite. I'm like, okay, if you say that these stone boxes were created with stone hammers as they allege, I'm like, okay, well then just create one stone box, just one with the alleged primitive methods.

• 2:04:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  And it's just nothing but crickets after that.

• 2:04:29Danny Jones?

  Clint was trying to tell me that somebody did do it online, but I remember watching the video. There's a video on YouTube where people tried to recreate one of those. And I think it took them more than a year and it was like completely

• 2:04:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:04:40Danny Jones?

  Unperfect.

• 2:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, not anywhere near in the realm of of what these real ones are. So.

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  Not even, and and they they still like they'll, they'll miss the hard parts. And it's like, okay, we all accept that granite can be cut with a abrasive. And you could use a copper tube and abrasive and you can drill a hole in granite. I don't think anybody's going to deny that. So it's like, yes, you can make the blank of the vase with the fucking whatever. Great. That's fine. Now, now make it precise. That's, I, that's, that's the, where the rubber meets the road. And they consistently aren't doing that. And it's honestly, it's kind of embarrassing because, um, As you know, they're trying to do this skeptical debunker thing and they're not even in taking the hard part, they're being fucking lazy about it. And if you're like, if team science is fucking lazy, well, then where does that leave team pseudo science? They can fucking run amok, man.

• 2:05:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  There's so, it's really irritating to me because I do value science a lot and I think that all in all honesty, we need both sides of that human psyche to fucking to find where these things came from. We're gonna have people that look at that and they're gonna just like thousand and one ideas and then you need other people to bring that back into reality. Between the two of them, you end up with an answer at some point. As it is, we have this disconnect. And when you remove the scientists from the discussion or the skeptics from the discussion, if you end up with, well, as I like to bring up a lot, Einstein famously said that the theory of relativity is almost unrecognizable to me now that the mathematicians have gotten a hold of it. Right? Einstein, he writes

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  the theory of relativity and he gets fine tuned and fine tuned and fine tuned and fine tuned and fine tuned at a thousand different, he's got this idea that's generally accurate and then it just gets beat into actual science.

• 2:06:23Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  But it didn't start there. And not that he was a pseudo scientist, but he was more of a dreamer than the really hardcore number crunchers that followed in his wake. And it takes fucking both, man. That's all I'm getting at. And we're really eliminating half of it right now. They've eliminated themselves from the conversation. They won't be like Carl Sagan and say, let's talk about aliens. Pat us on the head if you need to, whatever. Sit down and fucking talk to us. They won't do that. They're just gonna look at us down their nose and so.

• 2:06:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then the another, another thing they do is they try to, and I don't understand this argument, but they try to say that saying that the Egyptians didn't built the pyramids like racist to Egyptians, like, how does that make sense?

• 2:06:59Speaker 02

  It doesn't.

• 2:06:59Danny Jones?

  If it was just an older version of the same people, it's just you're saying it's your ancestors. It's not saying it's some white Aryan race did it.

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  Right. That in my mind is, I think that comes from a psychological.

• 2:07:11Danny Jones?

  It's a cop out.

• 2:07:11Speaker 02

  They want, well, they want to, a lot of these guys are really diehard lefties. And if you're anti racist and you want to fight racism, boy, wouldn't it be serendipitous to wake up one day and find out the thing you went for school for just happens to be hap- just. Miraculously aligned with combating racism.

• 2:07:26Danny Jones?

  It's.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  It is interesting that like there is a common denominator with these, I call them mainstream archaeologists, that almost all of them seem to be very left, very left wing as far as politically.

• 2:07:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:39Speaker 01

  There's a common denominator there and it's hard to know what to make of that, but there's something there. And I, if you want me to be as opinionated as I am, I look at hardcore leftism now. This isn't about equal rights. This isn't like, oh, let same-sex marriages or whatever. Like, that's not what it's no longer about. I look at hardcore leftism as this ideology of people that just trust a higher authority without doing the research themselves. And they just, like, they'll read the headlines. Like, someone asked me yesterday on Twitter, at what point will archaeologists admit that ancient civilizations were more advanced than we were taught? And I said, once CNN and MSNBC blasted as a headline. And then it'll be like, oh, now it's true. Because it seems to be like this herd mentality there.

• 2:08:21Speaker 01

  Because I can't wrap my head around, like, they can't even just utter out of their mouths the mystery of it. Like, going back to the debate with Graham Hancock and Flint Dibble.

• 2:08:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  I'm like, at no point did it highlight the true mysteries of the Great Pyramid, which is that we don't know how they moved 80-ton stones 500 miles and lifted and stacked them 300 feet above the ground. Like, that's right there. Like, you know what I mean? I'm like, that, so people are like, oh, well, Flint debunked Graham. I'm like, but there's so many other mysteries that he has showcased for 30 years that are still outstanding and we don't know.

• 2:08:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:08:52Danny Jones?

  They kind of ran out of time towards the end of it. I feel like they could have spent a lot more time on the Egyptian stuff. So what would you say was the ultimate premise of that debate? Like, what were they actually, like, I know they got into a lot of different things, but what do you think the ultimate?

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  I think that's probably where the big disconnect was to begin with. Graham came in with, we're going to discuss, we're going to debate and discuss whether or not there was a lost ancient civilization. And Flint came in there with the idea of, I'm going to explain to him why, I'm going to prove why there cannot be one. He says that multiple times. I'm going to prove to you why that could not be.

• 2:09:26Danny Jones?

  Why there cannot have been an advanced ancient civilization.

• 2:09:29Speaker 02

  I don't think, I think Graham was caught back by that. I know I would be if I was sitting down to talk to a scientist. Because as soon as those words come out of their mouth, they're not a scientist anymore, man. Scientists don't say, we fucking, I'm going to prove to you why this cannot be.

• 2:09:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  All the evidence currently indicates, I'm gonna show you why, I'm gonna show you why archaeologists don't think that.

• 2:09:48Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:09:48Speaker 02

  That's, that's how you say that. But as soon as he says, "I'm gonna show you why that cannot be," Flint had the mindset of, "I am going to win." Graham had this mindset of, "We're going to discuss ancient mysteries."

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  And to be honest, I think Graham also had it in his back of his mind that he won, and I can't speak on his behalf, this is just my own opinion, that he was deeply hurt at being labeled a white supremacist and other things, and being associated with Nazis, that when he went into it, and that Flint had, you know, been one of those people that had pushed that, I think that Graham was looking to hold his feet to the fire, to hold him accountable on the stage, to say, like, "You said this." Like, and so I think that Graham was going into it wanting to address that.

• 2:10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:28Speaker 01

  Um, because, you know, poor Graham has been going at this for 30 years with good intentions to share the legitimate mysteries and unanswered questions about our past, and I would argue that he has probably done more than anyone else on earth to share that, because his books have been sold in hundreds of countries.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  And, um, I think that he has been deeply hurt. Like, I was hurt when I was labeled a Nazi, and these people like Flint, like, and John Hoops, I've seen them literally say that when they're attacking somebody, they will tag them and spell out their first and last name every single time, because they want to blast it out there. Like, Jimmy Corsetti is, uh, spreading dangerous Nazism. And everything that they say involving racism or Nazism, they include the full, the first and last name, and they're doing it because they want it to show up on Google. They want, so, wait, let me give you an example. I have a good friend, um, and this is after the first season of Ancient Apocalypse came out, and she had recommended it to one of her close friends slash coworker, and so he gave it a Google, he typed in, you know,

• 2:11:29Speaker 01

  Graham Hancock, Ancient Apocalypse, and you already said to her, he's like, "Ah, I don't know, they're saying he's a white supremacist, I'm not so sure this is my thing." And he had, this is somebody who didn't know anything about the ancients, she was trying to say, "Hey, check this out, it's a really interesting show," and that's what showed up.

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  And, and you, were you saying that just gave every archaeologist watching a semi-chubby right there? They're all like, "Oh, fuck yeah, fuck yeah, that worked, yes!"

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cancel culture, that's why you do, that's why they associate people with racism now, because it's a quick way to cancel somebody, be like, "Oh yeah, you know what, I don't want to hear what they have to say, that's a stupid person." Because that's what, that's what, if you're calling someone racist today... You're saying that they're stupid. Like if you literally just judge somebody because of how they were born. Like I was born a certain race. Uh, then you're just, in my mind, I'm like, you're not even saying that they're a mean, bad person, although they are. You're saying, uh, racist, I'm saying. You're saying that they're fucking stupid. If you're, if you're racist today, like I don't like someone just because you were born with a different skin color than mine. Okay, you're fucking dumb. That's a low IQ thing. Like, it's like, really? You can't learn something from somebody because they look different than you? You're, okay, you're an idiot. And I think that's kind of like that angle on it.

• 2:12:36Speaker 02

  Imagine how hard that must be for him too, considering that Samantha's black and that he married her in the seventies. Back when there had been a lot of white folk that probably called him race trader back in those days. So he goes through that. Raises his kids, deals with all the bullshit that probably got involved in that. And then he gets to the time when society finally turns. He's like, all right, fuck yeah. Now I'm, I'm finally, I've, I've been through it. I've been through the, oh, now I'm a racist because I like to think that somebody else besides the Egyptian moved those rocks. What in the actual fuck is going on here? I would be pissed.

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I've never even, I've never used this publicly, but my ex-wife was brown. She's Hispanic. I'm like, I've never pulled the card because I just don't care when they call me racist. They actually are too busy calling me a Nazi. They called me, they called me racist, but mostly Nazi. Um, but I'm like, I've never pulled out the card. It's like, oh, my ex-wife is brown. She was hot. And here's, I should show a picture of that. I would disrespect her like that, you know, but like, um.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Put Selena Gomez on the screen, fuck it.

• 2:13:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's all below the belt. And I think that the real message that like, you know, the one thing I want everyone to circle back on, and I did throw an olive branch out to Flint Dibble. Probably about two months ago where I said, hey, that's all, um, that's, that's mend this bridge. And let's advocate for three things. Exploration of the hidden chamber in the great pyramid. Further excavation of Gobekli Tepe and to explore the subterranean chamber slash tunnel at Gunung Padang, which may or may not be natural. We'll never know until we go digging. Those three things I would argue in my mind are the three oldest and most mysterious ancient structures on earth that still stand to have further exploration of them. So why don't we all just like?

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  You know, put all the visceral stuff aside and just like advocate for that. That's okay. Because what am I asking for? I'm trying to give them work. It's not gonna be Jimmy Corsetti or Dan Richards that's doing the digging. Someone, they have to do that. And unfortunately, he didn't, he didn't bite back at that. And I was being sincere. I'm like, hey, that's, I was always saying like, that's squashed the beef. I even, I don't even want to get into it, but I apologized to Flint. He was very upset with me at different things that I had said to him in the past when we went back and forth. And I did apologize to him. And he rejected it. He said it wasn't public enough, that I didn't address all the things. And he just threw it in the shitter and then he left me blocked on Twitter and went and talked shit about me just two days later.

• 2:14:54Speaker 01

  And I'm like, bro. Again, Flint, if you're listening, man, like, there's no hatred here, man.

• 2:15:00Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah, like, again, to what you're saying, Flint, if you are listening, like, I like you, Flint. I genuinely liked the guy when he came in here. He was a nice guy. I just completely disagree with the way people try to cop out on arguments about alternative theories to how this shit was made and try to associate it with racism, which is, at the end of the day, it just waters down what it was to what the Nazis were or what racist people are.

• 2:15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:26Danny Jones?

  When you use it every day, you're watering down the severity of that term and what it actually meant. You're changing the meaning of it.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Yep. Something I've been saying, that one, in same regards to Trump since like 2015. It's like, if you guys don't stop just screaming every time he gets two scoops of ice cream instead of one, you're going to inoculate his supporters to the point where they won't believe a goddamn thing that you say about him. That's what happens.

• 2:15:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. One of the things that it's funny with the, you asking Flint, as you're saying, this is what you asked, we should just excavate these three sites. I'm shaking my head because I've joked with you about it before, but this is the reality of it. I've seen the way that they react to Jim mentioning sites. If he was to just get on Twitter and then once a week be like, you know what? We need more excavations in Rome. I think they need to dig underneath this. I need to, they would fucking, we'd have all these archaeologists going, we've excavated enough in Rome. We don't need to dig anymore there at all. He could kill the entire fucking field in a year or two, just like, pick every site. And by the end of a couple Years and there's only like three sites left. You'll have all the archaeologists fighting to go there because they'll have already said no reason to go to the rest.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's at the point now, anything I say, no matter how sincere, it just is the most pushback ever. And they don't see it now. But one day I'm optimistic that they'll see that I'm actually helping them. I think my place in this field is to shake things up, make some noise and bring as many views to the legitimate mysteries and unanswered questions to our lost past. I'm not pushing space lasers. I'm not pushing, you know, immortality in the Great Pyramid. I'll talk about it personally, you know, but I don't make any videos saying that. I have no idea. And, you know, the one thing that we all have in common is this niche interest in this topic of ancient civilizations.

• 2:17:09Speaker 01

  Man, 90, how many people out of 100 walking down the street don't know almost nothing about anything involving ancient history? It's a niche community. There's many, many millions of people around the world and it's growing. There's many people. But they're few and far between for the general public. And so it's like, since we all share this common interest, why not just unite in that one little thing? You know?

• 2:17:33Speaker 02

  I completely agree, but it, they see, you, to me, the smoking gun, the worst example of that was when you were talking about the trees on Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:42Speaker 02

  And it's like, they're defending it and saying, oh, that's fine. You know, it's no big deal. It's, this is the kind of thing that we do and blah, blah. It's like, fuck no. I can find you numerous archaeological papers on the problems with having trees on fucking ancient sites. I mean, come on. And it's no brainer shit, man. You've, olive trees damaged foundations. Hmm, this is not surprising.

• 2:18:01Speaker 01

  Are you familiar with that Gobekli Tepe, the controversies involving that, the site with the trees and all that stuff? Have you heard about this?

• 2:18:08Danny Jones?

  I, my understanding of it is that they planted a bunch of olive trees or something there so that they, they would be, so the government wouldn't be able to buy it or something?

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  The government can pay them more, but go ahead.

• 2:18:21Speaker 01

  So essentially,

• 2:18:24Speaker 01

  They first started excavations at Gobekli Tepe in around 1995. And then approximately 10 years later, the Turkish authorities wanted to purchase the land because it was owned by farmers. And so the farmers had planted at least 800 olive trees on the site in order to increase the value of the land, which I was very skeptical at first. At first, I was leaning straight up conspiracy. They're covering it up. They're preventing excavation. However, upon visiting and researching it more, it seems entirely likely that that's exactly what they did. They were just trying to get a higher price for the land. However, with it came what I would consider complete and total mismanagement of the site.

• 2:19:05Speaker 01

  Because again, this was 10 years after excavations had begun and they planted trees literally on top of ancient ruins. I've seen video myself recently as of August. A gentleman went there upon seeing my videos where I raised the controversies. And, and let me just say this, I established with an archaeologist who had worked the site, a gentleman who no longer likes me, he blocked me for just no good reason on Twitter. But I asked him, yes or no, like, were any of these trees planted on top of ancient ruins? The answer was yes. And then I saw it firsthand with a gentleman that went there and recorded. And you could see trees planted, and I'm not kidding, just inches from the actual tree trunk is ruined stabbing out of the ground.

• 2:19:47Speaker 01

  And what they said is that these trees are going to be harmless because this particular species of olive tree will grow horizontally. It's not going to go down and destroy the ruins below. But I'm like, well, now I'm seeing ruins that are literally right next to them. So, and then their stories have changed. Dr. Lee Clare, who is the head, who is the head of field work and research for Gobekli Tepe, Flint, Dibble interviewed him on Flint's podcast. And he has basically said that he's like, we're now monitoring these, these tree roots to make sure that they're not damaging the ruins. So essentially the story has changed. They said that these tree roots are not going to cause any damage. And now they're saying, well, we're keeping an eye on them. And now I'm seeing videos showing that, no, this is, guys, this is a problem.

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  And if nothing else, let me say this, never mind damage to the ruins. And to anyone listening, just understand that when any trees are planted in a municipal area, they have to make sure it's not going to stab a sewer line or electricity or, you know, damaged sidewalks. Like tree roots are notoriously destructive, but put that destruction aside. These trees are coveting vast portions of the site itself, which is preventing a full excavation of the site. These trees are in the way and unfortunately, it turns out there's an olive law in Turkey, which means established in 1935 where it's illegal to cut down olive trees in the, in the country of Turkey.

• 2:21:07Speaker 02

  And let's be clear, the idea that these roots are somehow magically not going to be damaging anything, that's just ridiculous. Like when I was reading the archaeological literature on the problem with tree roots, I, so I got this from the, from them, not from Jimmy. Tree roots follow water crazily enough. So especially in a dry area like Gobekli Tepe, if say they built one of those enclosures around a well, which would be perfectly reasonable. That one's going to have tree roots shooting right the fuck down the thing. And the problems this can cause. As for example, in one place, because of that, it penetrates, you know what stratigraphy is, right? Okay. So it penetrates those layers, chops right through them.

• 2:21:44Speaker 02

  So there's a snail, for example, that in, I forget the species, but in the medieval Europe, they use this snail to determine a timeline because it only shows up in certain areas in England after a certain date. But in areas where the tree roots punch through wells like that, it shows up before that. It fucks their dating all up. So it, not only does it damage the site on a very real, you can see it level, it damages on molecular level. For fuck's sake, uh, the, uh, tree roots are an entire, you know, uh, ecosystem. It's not just the plants, tree roots. There's going to be bacteria and all kinds of enzymes and shit growing around with them. It's going to change the chemicals in the soil. So it just, to me, the very fact that they would argue that it's, it, they're not scientifically illiterate people.

• 2:22:28Speaker 02

  But they don't like Jimmy Corsetti and he brought up tree roots on top of Gobekli Tepe. It's, and that's really where, that's where I ended up focusing so much of my energy in this sphere because it's just so goddamn weird to me. It's like we've got. Interested amateurs, we've got experts and you just want the interested amateurs to fuck right off, but where do you get your funding from, bro?

• 2:22:49Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah. The crazy thing about it is like, I understand where they're coming from, where the academics are coming from, like Flint, from the aspect of people like you guys, people like Graham, who are self-educated, just interested in the mysteries of this stuff, going on podcasts, getting millions of views, getting all this attention, when you've literally spent your whole life, reading books, going to these places, like Flint puts it, eating the gruel, doing the boring shit.

• 2:23:29Speaker 01

  Getting a PhD.

• 2:23:30Danny Jones?

  Getting a PhD and no one fucking recognizes you for it.

• 2:23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:34Danny Jones?

  And you just are fucking pissed about that.

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  I think that, I've said this to Graham personally, I said, hey, I really think that this is biblical shit from the standpoint that ego and pride, this stuff goes back thousands of years, where they describe that, you know, it's the haves and the have nots, like people, I basically think that it's bitter envy, that Graham, he might not be an archaeologist with a PhD, however, he's sold god knows how many millions of books, and so he gets all the attention. And so I think that there's jealousy there.

• 2:24:05Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 2:24:06Speaker 01

  And it's really unfortunate, but like, I firmly believe most of it comes down to that, because they're like, who's this asshole Jimmy the YouTuber who never studied this stuff, and why is he getting more views than me? And I'm like, listen, guys, you gotta enhance your craft, like learn how to publicly speak, for goodness sakes, like, you know, become engaging, or focus on the things that are unknown. Like, you don't have to be a rabid conspiracy theorist, you know, suggesting that the pyramids are a power plant. However, you could also acknowledge the fact that at, say, Gunung Padang, which could be a 24 to 27,000 year old pyramidal structure, it's highly debated, Flint will tell you that, that, you know, the dating and all that could be, it's, it's, there's discrepancies

• 2:24:50Speaker 01

  there. It's not for sure. However, they say that basically the subterranean tunnel and chamber, which has been identified through ground penetrating radar, the geologist Danny Hillman.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  Not even a job.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  Yep. Always mispronounces his last name.

• 2:25:02Speaker 02

  I got it wrong, too.

• 2:25:03Speaker 01

  He's interpreted the data to say that there's strong likelihood that that subterranean tunnel chamber could be manmade. The other side will say, no, this is likely just natural because it's a lava tube. It was built on a site that was volcanic in nature in itself. And I'm like, hey, so why don't we just drill a hole underground, throw a camera down there with a light and just see what's inside this chamber?

• 2:25:27Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:25:27Speaker 01

  If it's just a natural lava tube, this is not a huge investment. They could pull this off. This is not a big deal. I'm not talking about bringing out heavy equipment and digging the whole site up. Just, you know, drill a hole and see what's down there and end it right there. Like, end all the conjecture. So I'm like, why not just go find out what it is? Because if it is manmade, that right there will be one of the biggest discoveries of our time as far from an ancient human perspective, I should say, because like a pyramidal structure like that shouldn't exist 20,000 years ago into the Ice Age, if that's what it is. So if that was the case, like, you know, that would rewrite the textbooks. You know, because that's not supposed to exist that far back in time.

• 2:26:06Danny Jones?

  But if they found it was manmade, what it would prove that there was a civilization, an advanced civilization, how many years ago?

• 2:26:13Speaker 01

  So the dating could, let me say, could potentially be, let me use the word potentially, 24 to 27,000 years old. There is all kinds of conjecture about this dating. Can maybe, can you explain the reason why?

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the reasons why, Will. Dr. Hillman Nadiwajaja is a geologist, not an archaeologist. So in the site, what they did was they dug down to the first layer and underneath the first layer of stones and stuff, they sunk, they sunk drill cores and they pulled up big so, cores of soil and stuff. And what they found is some of what they're calling fill dirt. So that's what he's using. He's saying that the two different places that there's dirt there that's nowhere found in that immediate area that was put there, must have been put there by humans. And they're dating the biological material, which is grass and stuff. It's not like there's human bones or charred artifacts. And that's the

• 2:27:10Speaker 02

  biggest problem is there's no artifacts or like burnt bones or anything. There's just that Kajang dagger and a couple, or Kajang stone and a couple other small rocks like that. But they didn't find. Since there was no archaeologists out there shaking screens, they don't have a bunch of little chips and flakes and 150 different little artifacts like they normally would. So that's a big one right there as to why uh this so much skepticism involved um from the archaeological community towards that idea. Well, it's something I want to say really uh fast though to prove that it is absolutely fucking jealousy. Um, I keep invoking Carl Sagan as a science communicator. He was not obviously not a YouTuber and he obviously had a, you know, a degree and stuff and he was a teacher and he got a shitload of jealousy from his colleagues.

• 2:27:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  Shitload of of shit from his colleagues. You're not doing real science. You're just out there talking to the layman, talking to the masses.

• 2:28:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:02Speaker 02

  What's wrong with you?

• 2:28:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:03Speaker 02

  So it's the same kind of thing. There are, let's be real clear about scientists. Some of these guys, the uh a good chunk of humanity that is really good with data and stuff is just not socially adept. They're not, they're just a little awkward, they're a little off. And there's nothing wrong with that, but that can make it fucking hard to be a YouTuber, man.

• 2:28:21Danny Jones?

  It's hard, you can't, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a, a big difference be- between being super proficient in the scientific endeavor and being a communicator.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  And the recognition of that is something that the ego makes it difficult because as I keep saying about for advancement, it takes two different thinking. Like with, with here, with Jim's more apt to dream about something than I am and I'm more apt to say, hey, Jim, come on, I don't think that's quite accurate. But between the two of us, we get along just fucking fine. We come up with good ideas as far as I'm concerned. So a- a- as a metaphor for all of us, it's like that's, we could be going that route, but instead, what do we get? We get polarization, we get anger, we get a basically a mirror of politics all across social media and every place.

• 2:29:02Danny Jones?

  It's disgusting. Wasn't there, I read on, I think it was your Twitter, that they're hiring a DEI person for like hundreds of thousands of dollars. What, what was that about?

• 2:29:12Speaker 01

  So the, the SA, the Society for American Archaeology, the same organization that was trying to get uh Graham Hancock's Netflix series renamed and they're also the reasons why he couldn't film at Serpent Mound, correct? They're the ones that contacted them.

• 2:29:24Speaker 02

  I, I don't know that for a fact.

• 2:29:25Danny Jones?

  They wouldn't let him film at Serpent Mound?

• 2:29:27Speaker 02

  Serpent Mound was contacted by somebody.

• 2:29:29Danny Jones?

  In Tennessee?

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Serpent Mound wouldn't let Graham Hancock film there, neither would uh, neither would Cahokia Mount. In Illinois, they wouldn't let him film.

• 2:29:38Speaker 01

  That same organization has posted just this month, a DEI specialist position. I don't know what the salary is, but it's four-year degree required.

• 2:29:49Danny Jones?

  Can you find that, Steve? I think it's on Jimmy's Twitter.

• 2:29:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  It's just so funny to me. That's like, when I retweeted that, I was like, the SAA, we're so, we're past being racist. Archaeology's no longer racist. We're past all that. It's you pseudo guys, blah, blah, blah. Also, the SAA, we need to hire somebody to help us not be racist.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  And DEI is literal racism. It's just blatant racism that you're gonna give anyone preferential treatment. You know, it's like, oh, I'm gonna favor someone because of their skin color. Like, that's racism.

• 2:30:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's, there's. No, it should be colorblind and merit-based.

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  There are times when, when it comes to archaeology, I'd look at it.

• 2:30:25Speaker 01

  Not that crap.

• 2:30:29Danny Jones?

  You said DEI, right?

• 2:30:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, type in, yeah.

• 2:30:32Danny Jones?

  That's not showing up. It's on there, bro. Just keep scrolling, you'll see it. It's just shocking to me that they would be doing that now. Where it seems like there's a, there's a huge, the pendulum is swinging.

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  Right there, second middle.

• 2:30:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:30:47Speaker 01

  Right there. Boom.

• 2:30:49Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 2:30:49Danny Jones?

  DEI Specialist for Society of American Archaeology.

• 2:30:53Speaker 01

  Posted on January 6th.

• 2:30:54Danny Jones?

  6th, 2025. Is there a link to the website where we can actually see it on their website?

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it might, if you, it might be in the subsequent tweet below. I usually include my sources. That's not it.

• 2:31:09Speaker 02

  You, if I remember, you'd posted this before.

• 2:31:13Speaker 02

  You posted once about that before you posted that.

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've made two posts about it. It won't be on the right, I guess. That's weird.

• 2:31:21Danny Jones?

  You have to go out of there, Steve, and keep searching.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  Hang on.

• 2:31:23Danny Jones?

  You can do it, Steve.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, scroll on, maybe that one. Full-time DC position.

• 2:31:28Danny Jones?

  Scroll down, scroll down.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I found it on Google under DEI Specialist in Washington.

• 2:31:33Danny Jones?

  Click that one, salary details, benefits, 100% paid health and dental benefits for single coverage, 3% contribution to a TIAA retirement account, flexible spending, oh.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sorry.

• 2:31:44Danny Jones?

  Flexible spending accounts, learn more, full position, there's the link right there, sway.cloud.microsoft.

• 2:31:50Speaker 01

  And we'll let you click it. That's a screenshot.

• 2:31:51Danny Jones?

  That's hilarious, man.

• 2:31:53Speaker 01

  This is a real thing, though. It's a career HQ.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's, um, you know, that's, that's the Society for American Archaeology. So I'm, I'm wondering what, what's, what's even up with that? Like, what's, why, why do they need DEI exactly? I mean, I can understand, like, if you, you're like, you're dealing with, like, tribes and stuff. It's, there's like that whole racial aspect and I, I.

• 2:32:14Speaker 01

  Native American ruins and stuff like that.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah, they'll try to be like respectful of that. They're like, Washington State, we have a lot of that going on. It's not, um, the, the tribes have a lot of power and they, they frequently are stopping archaeologists or working with them. And so I, I could get where you would need, but I don't think that's what DEI does, right? I mean, it's not like a.

• 2:32:32Speaker 01

  Has to do with hiring.

• 2:32:33Speaker 02

  As I was gonna say, it's not hiring, like in-house. What the fuck do they need that for, man? I mean, can they just get an app for that?

• 2:32:39Speaker 01

  How do they, how does the?

• 2:32:40Speaker 02

  No, really, isn't there just an app for that? You just press like a few different buttons and you get your like, seriously? That doesn't make any goddamn sense, man.

• 2:32:47Danny Jones?

  How does this organization make money?

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  They don't. They steal it from the government.

• 2:32:51Speaker 01

  It's all government funded? Member dues, so you can be a member and I don't know how much they charge.

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  And, and that's where the majority of their actual operating costs come from, their, their membership dues. They also middleman money for the government, like, uh, every year they go to Congress and say, hey, we need a bunch of money for all these different archaeology things in the country and then they, they divvied it up. Now, according to the archaeologists, of course, they don't keep any of that for themselves, but I'm, you know.

• 2:33:15Speaker 01

  Just to clarify, a bunch of money, we're talking over 400?

• 2:33:18Speaker 02

  Or half, half a billion.

• 2:33:19Speaker 01

  Half a, 450 million dollars a year. And here's where, here's where I think it's a scam. So essentially, the Society for American Archaeology consists of approximately 7,000 archaeologists and academics that are paid members of their organization. And a lot of them work in government agencies like the National Park Service or whatever. There's a number of them.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:40Speaker 01

  Um, and so they advocate for funding for those organizations that those people that are members of are employed with. So they'll essentially say, we're not taking the money, but it's their own self-interest. That they're essentially, they're orchestrating and they're directing, excuse me, the allocation of funding in the hundreds of millions of dollars for, that are gonna go towards people that they employ. So it's like, it's a, it honestly, it's a circle jerk of money. They are, they are benefiting from this. I'm not saying that they're taking that money into their own pockets, but it's indirectly. It's like me giving, "Hey Danny, I want you to get a hundred dollars of Jimmy's money." But you're not getting it from Jimmy. You're getting it from Steve because he's gonna give Steve the money who I know is gonna give it to you.

• 2:34:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:19Speaker 01

  It's a middleman.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  And just to let you know how corrupt that stuff can be, the majority of archaeology done in this country, the vast majority. Yes. Is what's called cultural resource management. And that's where you're gonna build a bridge, you gotta make sure it's not being built. Sure. Okay, so. Golf courses. This is, these are private institutions. This isn't, there's no Florida state CRM firm, Florida state CRM organization. There's, there's private businesses. So you hire them and you pay them. And so if the Society for American Archaeology is like, "You know, we really need to get some, some CRM work done over in this part of the country," for example, and they advocate for money over there, they're literally advocating to give it to a private corporation. So, eh, there's a lot of room for shitty things there to happen.

• 2:35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pay for play. Trump has talked about this publicly where he ran into these same issues when he was building in New York, that he would come across these environmentalists. It's the same thing. The environmentalists and the CRM people, it's the same function.

• 2:35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:17Speaker 01

  They hold up whatever it is you're trying to do. They charge enormous amounts of money.

• 2:35:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:35:21Speaker 01

  And if you pay a different organization, different money, all of a sudden, it's streamlined. So essentially, it's just a middleman of people that are making enormous sums of money.

• 2:35:31Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:35:31Speaker 01

  And, and I'm not saying they're not doing any good. I'm not, "Hey, listen, yeah, let's not destroy ancient ruins here." But it becomes something else when the, I'm seeing this at Phoenix SkyHar, I'm from Phoenix. The airport's gonna build a new terminal, and they're not gonna break ground for like another four years. And so I start looking in, I'm like, "Oh yeah, they're bringing all the environmental people." I'm like, "The airport's there. It's already asphalt as far as the eye can see, and they're holding up a new terminal for, you know, a handful of years?" I'm like, "I don't understand." And then I, I, but because once you learn that the corruption. And corruption is a big word. Man, I should be more careful with that. But like, that's what I see it as. I'm seeing as like, it's like, okay, let me give you another example that anyone listening can wrap their heads around. The appraisal business for houses or home inspection people.

• 2:36:15Speaker 01

  Like if if anyone's been trying to sell a house, you can, and you hire a certain inspector, they will, they will find so many things that aren't issues, but they have to write down everything and all of a sudden a deal will fall out because like, oh, this house is, you know, they make it worse, sound worse than it is by, you know, nitpicking every little thing. It's like, this is not an issue. The structures sound like, shut up. Like, do you know what I'm talking about? Have you ever seen this?

• 2:36:35Danny Jones?

  Like, of course, if you try to like, pull, pull equity out of your home, the equity company, the, the bank will send its own person out there to inspect the house to purposely find all this shit to devalue the home so they can give you less money.

• 2:36:49Speaker 01

  With the tax inspector, all our muscle with that guy. Yeah. So it's, it's just wild like that. Um.

• 2:36:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was fascinating to hear Trump talk about that on Rogan's podcast. I think he was talking about one of his buildings in the, up there near the Panhandle. I think it was New Orleans, maybe roughly near the, it's no longer the Gulf of Mexico. It's the Gulf of America.

• 2:37:09Speaker 01

  The Gulf of America now. That's wild. But yeah, so he has understanding this just from being a builder, really, oh, is Trump qualified? It's like, yeah, he, he's run into it. And he, he said like, oh, you just pay someone else instead. And all of a sudden, it's not a problem all of a sudden.

• 2:37:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:37:24Speaker 01

  So it's like, you know, there's people making, there's people that are basing their entire career and livelihood on positions like that. So of course it's going to come with issues.

• 2:37:32Danny Jones?

  It's an, it's an, it's an industry. It's an industrial complex, just like there's a military industrial complex. There's, there's a complex for every main industry where there's billions of dollars involved.

• 2:37:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:37:40Danny Jones?

  And there's people that are siphoning money and, you know, it's, it's, it's unfortunate.

• 2:37:46Speaker 01

  It's too bad.

• 2:37:47Danny Jones?

  What did Amos say? Greed, greed stains the soul with the stench of ruin.

• 2:37:56Speaker 02

  It's too bad you can't really get it out of science even, but it would be nice if we could at least remove some of that corruption from just the basic stuff. I mean, I, you're always gonna have corruption like that. Like, I've worked as electrician for a long time and I've seen it a thousand times where a homeowner would be like, "Ah, I can do this on my own," but they're building a really rich home and the guy's clearly a white collar guy. And so when the inspector comes in, he looks at the guy, he's like, "You've got the money to hire one of us." I was an electrician for 20 years or I wouldn't be a fucking inspector. "You got the money to hire one of us and you didn't. You didn't do that outlet right. You didn't do that right." But he doesn't tell him that. He just says, "You failed because of this outlet. You failed because of this." And where if I was standing there, he would have been like, "Dude, you just need to fix this real quick and

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  I'll sign off." "Okay, cool. Have a nice day." It's just the way the world is, man. So...

• 2:38:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, it is.

• 2:38:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. What do you do?

• 2:38:46Danny Jones?

  Um, I want to talk a little bit about Atlantis.

• 2:38:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a great Disney movie. I love it.

• 2:38:53Speaker 01

  The casino in the Caribbean, correct?

• 2:38:55Danny Jones?

  Yes, exactly. It's a great casino.

• 2:38:57Speaker 01

  It's all-inclusive.

• 2:38:58Danny Jones?

  It's one of my favorite casinos. I love the place. Your videos about Atlantis are fascinating and they're, they have millions of views. And I think you talked about it on Rogan's, one of your podcasts that you did with Rogan, where you talked about the Reshot structure in Africa, the Eye of the Sahara.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:39:14Danny Jones?

  Um, have you been there?

• 2:39:16Speaker 01

  I have not.

• 2:39:17Danny Jones?

  Has anyone been there? Can you get there?

• 2:39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, people can visit. Absolutely. Um, it's, it's inhospit, it's a pain in the ass. It's a little bit dangerous. And so essentially you'll go through Nuwakshot in Mauritania. This is in the Western Sahara. And yeah, you could rent a car and go out there, but you need to bring all your own supplies. There's no gas stations on the way. There's no water. It's inhospitable. I was in the deal to do a document, the, one of the reasons why I haven't visited is that there was a deal that I was under for doing a documentary there, which, long story short, did not materialize. Um, and, but basically, I came across a documentary back in 2018 called "Visiting Atlantis" by a George S. Alexander and Natalie Rosen. I've since learned that there's a gentleman named George Sarantides who apparently had visited the Reshot in 2018.

• 2:40:04Speaker 01

  Or 2008. So I don't know how he came up. So if there was one person to give credit to who first postulated the theory of the Rishat Atlantis, it'd be George Serenitis, but I don't know how he developed it. All I know is that I came across the documentary of, uh, in, that was from 2011, from a George S. Alexander and Natalie Rosen, where they showed this site that I had never seen or heard of before. Um, and when I first started making a series of videos on this in late 2018, it was, there was literally tens of thousands of comments on my video saying, how have I never seen or heard of the Rishat structure before? It is one of the most bizarre geological features anywhere on earth. I mean, look at it.

• 2:40:41Danny Jones?

  See it from space.

• 2:40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It was first identified by astronauts, uh, in the Gemini four missions in 1964. Um, and it's approximately 16 miles wide and it's made up of concentric circles. The consensus among scientists is that it's a collapsed volcanic dome. Although that's not a hundred percent proven. They've never drilled the site. Um, like when you asked if people have visited it, one thing I like to point out is that there's been no archaeological dig at the site. Um, Mauritania actually forbids it. It turns out there's an abundance of gold there and they won't allow any digging. However, it has been studied from geologists because at first they thought it was potentially an impact site from a meteor. They've ruled that out. There's no signature traces of anything, uh, that to suggest that.

• 2:41:25Speaker 01

  Um, but I consider this to be by far the most likely location for the lost capital city of Atlantis. And I point out capital. That's the key there. Because Atlantis was said to be a king or an empire made up of 10 kingdoms. And the capital was said to be made up of concentric circles. Three, there would be of water, two of land that would mash the, match the Rishat if had water in it. Uh, an opening to the sea at the south and right there, that is a southerly facing opening that you can see in the lower corner right there. Uh, to the right, right? A little to the left, right? Bing. Yeah, right there. Um, it's also made up of red, black and white color stones. Um, it had a mountain to the north that just so happened to be called the Atlas Mountains,

• 2:42:05Speaker 01

  which was said to be the very first king of Mauritania. And it turns out that the, uh, or excuse me, the very first king of Atlantis. And it just so happens that the first king of Ortania was also named King Atlas. And basically, there's more than a dozen similarities, which I consider to be the most consequential similarities to what was described of Atlantis. And it's just incredibly fascinating. You know, the theory that I have is that the reason why it no longer exists is that it was bulldozed in some sort of catastrophic fluvial erosion. I know Randall Carlson does not think that this is the site of Atlantis, however, one thing-

• 2:42:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that.

• 2:42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. However, he did say that, you know, through whom studying this, that there's evidence of at least fluvial or fluvial, multiple fluvial events that may have happened over this site to essentially obliterate it and collapse volcanic dome. You can see signatures of salt or natron that is in the white blemishes along it, which I have suggested is evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there.

• 2:43:10Speaker 01

  It is just bizarre.

• 2:43:12Danny Jones?

  How would one go about determining whether this was or was not a collapsed volcano?

• 2:43:17Speaker 01

  You know, to be honest with you, so I, I've looked at pictures of other known volcanic domes that have collapsed, and they don't look like this.

• 2:43:25Danny Jones?

  Well, there's nothing on the earth that looks like this, is there?

• 2:43:27Speaker 01

  And so I don't, listen, I'm not a scientist. The consensus is that's what it is. But, you know, if you look up, you know, collapsed volcanic domes, nothing anywhere on earth looks even remotely similar. Like, you can see like, you know, evidence where things had collapsed and looks different, but not the concentric circles. It's truly bizarre.

• 2:43:50Speaker 01

  What are your thoughts on this theory?

• 2:43:51Danny Jones?

  I, I'm trying to figure it out. I don't know.

• 2:43:57Danny Jones?

  One of the things that I've been asking people on here that come on the show is, is that people that believe in Atlantis. What is the smoking gun? What is the one most irrefutable piece of evidence that Atlantis did exist?

• 2:44:12Speaker 01

  I love this. So, a lot of people aren't aware that the legend of Atlantis originates from the Egyptians. And it was, so Plato made it famous, but it was actually his distant relative Solon who had visited Atlantis. 2,600 years ago. And what's so interesting is that he had said that the Egyptian priest had said that Atlantis was destroyed 9,000 years earlier. And when you add 2,600 plus 9,000, that's 11,600 years ago, which coincides precisely with the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe.

• 2:44:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:44:45Speaker 01

  Of 11,600 years ago, where there was a massive shift in temperature on Earth, a rapid end to the last ice age. And I'm like, what an insane coincidence to be so specific to say 9,000 years. It'd be one thing to say, oh, this was 10,000 years ago. But 9,000 years, 2,600 years ago, coincides precisely with a, we know scientifically of this Younger Dryas climate catastrophe. What caused it? That's the debatable part. Whether it was an impact, a pole shift.

• 2:45:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:11Speaker 01

  Sun cycles, whatever it was. That's the debatable part. However, there was, you know, mass die-offs of various animals at that time, rapid rise of sea levels. And so I would say that more than anything in my mind goes beyond a coincidence. And then you have the site called the Richhot Structure, which just so happens to match such specific characteristics. Like when it says, you know, made up of concentric circles, specifically three of water and two of land.

• 2:45:38Danny Jones?

  And who said that?

• 2:45:40Speaker 01

  So that was, so here, it comes from Plato.

• 2:45:43Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:45:43Speaker 01

  Who, the legend was passed down from his uncle of six generations apart, who had written about it, passed it, made its way to Plato, and then he communicated it in his, in the Critias and the Timaeus. So, you know, he didn't, he didn't know Solon. He had died, you know, 100, 200 years earlier.

• 2:46:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:46:04Speaker 01

  So this is where people will debate. I'm like, well, how reliable is this?

• 2:46:07Danny Jones?

  Right. It's like the Bible, right? It's like, it's like the, the, the people who wrote the Bible, the, the canon, right, is, is, is written. It's shit that wouldn't hold up in court, essentially, right?

• 2:46:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:17Danny Jones?

  People about writing about things that happened with no witness testimony.

• 2:46:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:46:22Danny Jones?

  And shit that happened hundreds, if not thousands of years prior, right? And then also got rewritten and copied by people throughout the millennia, right? So it's like a game of telephone.

• 2:46:31Speaker 01

  Well, that's one of the reasons that myself.

• 2:46:34Speaker 02

  To answer your question about the evidence for Atlantis, I mean, I would take it Atlantis is a term that I kind of use as an umbrella term. I think a lot of people do, but I think it's one of the important things to to note out the gate. You're looking at for a lost civilization. That's possibly one of them, the Raishat structure, Reshat structure. That's quite possibly where they got the idea of Atlantis from. But that that idea could have come from multiple different things. And in addition to it, like you read Plato's account of it. You imagine if there was a lost civilization from 10,000 years ago. And so you go back a few thousand years and 7,000 years has passed or whatever, and people are writing about it, they're going to inject their culture into it. And so, you read Critias

• 2:47:19Speaker 02

  and Timias, and you see that they used happened to use the same metals on the wall that the Greeks used on their temples, too. Who would have guessed, right? Wait, what? They used Or a column, or what's it called? Or a column. It's they the Atlanteans, their temples had the same precious metal that the Greeks like to use. This is according to Plato?

• 2:47:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 2:47:40Speaker 02

  Okay. And and they had, you know, they had a democracy and they had all this. This is stuff that was very, very Greek, right? Yeah. And of course, it was because it's a fucking Greek story, man. So I think that's one of the things to look for or to pay attention for is when we look at different cultures, we might find the same story in Japan, and it's going to be way different. It's not going to have democracy. It's not going to have or column. It's going to have fishing, and it's going to have more focus on the sea. So to answer your question, back to it, there's a few things that are like this, the shared god you mentioned earlier, the master of animals. You've probably seen that one before, like the there's pictures of a woman with either a tiger on both sides of the snakes. I've seen that.

• 2:48:23Speaker 02

  Very common. The naval holding statues, you seem to this seems Yeah, yeah, like the Moai heads and the Go Back Lee Taffy. And you see these in South America, and it also seems to quite frequently correlate with the origins of low level metallurgy. The things like the stone clamps, the metal clamps that are used, the fact that those hop the ocean, like the nubs are one thing we could that but the clamps to me. Like if you you go to a house and the and the studs in a wall are on 16 inch centers, right? That's okay. This is a fucking machine. This is how you build a house. When I wired a house, the staples go every 18 inches from a bend and every four feet. So when you look at certain sites and you see like a pumapunku at the top of each H block,

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  they stick a little clamp. It's like, well, this doesn't look like they-

• 2:49:11Speaker 01

  I'm not I'm not familiar with what the clamps are you're talking about.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  The metal clamps that are poured, they'll take a seam of stone.

• 2:49:19Speaker 02

  And they'll have like an eye shaped deal on either side.

• 2:49:22Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:49:24Speaker 02

  They pour metal into this indentation. We see them a lot in Egypt. They're bow tie shaped in Egypt a lot. The ones in South America are more eye shaped.

• 2:49:34Speaker 02

  But the fact that in pumapunku, for example, we know that they were used a lot in the old world. They show up in the new world a little bit in Bolivia and at pumapunku they're used on these H blocks on each one. And it's like, it looks like a guy, standard operating procedure. So it looks like to me. It doesn't look like somebody's over there experimenting, ah, these two stones might might wobble apart. Let's go. It looks like he's dealt with this problem before and knew exactly what to do to solve it. And it was the way they built things. So so things like that to me seem to. If you look up, could you type in clamp with that?

• 2:50:08Speaker 01

  You could even type in Egyptian clamp. I bet Ben Van Kirkwick has a bunch of photos.

• 2:50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you see right there. Okay. And so you see what I like, look at that one, that second one down there, like you see.

• 2:50:19Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 2:50:20Speaker 02

  Okay, now these show up all across the world.

• 2:50:23Speaker 01

  How have I never seen this?

• 2:50:25Speaker 02

  This is one of my favorite. To me, again, I focus on a lot more of the mundane stuff because that's where I really end up like being more fascinated. And to me, this is like kind of a smoking gun. We see it all over the world and it's it like a nail and nail is going to look the same in a lot of different places, right? Whatever you innovate it, but this specifically using metal or wood and specifically.

• 2:50:48Speaker 02

  Using a manner that it's like, okay, do they fucking need them there? Are those stones still together a thousand years later? But they didn't fucking need no clamps there, but they put them there, why? Because that's what they did when they put stones together. And so this wasn't their first time doing it. I don't think that was their first rodeo. And we don't have any sites in Bolivia that like really shows innovation. It just kind of pops up in a couple of places and goes away. So to me, that's another smoking gun for this lost civilization that a lot of people would call Atlantis. Um, you know, a lot of other names might get described to it. And again, a lot of these, a lot of the details, in my opinion, are definitely be lost to history. There's no question, but things like the Reshot are very interesting where it does bring details that there's really, I don't see how the Greeks could have gleaned basically any of that.

• 2:51:33Speaker 02

  Um, traveling to that spot, even in ancient Greece, that was a barren desert, right?

• 2:51:37Speaker 01

  And it is interesting to mention that the Egyptians, so in that same tale, they said that the Egyptians were colonists of a destroyed, of a civilization that was destroyed in a flood cataclysm. And that same tale, it's been taught and told on hundreds of cultures across five continents around the world. I'm like, there's something to it. It doesn't have to mean that the Peruvian Andes and the Himalayas were covered in water. But when the fact that there was a 400 foot rise sea level at the end of the last ice age, which happened, how fast it happened is so debatable, but I mean, well, some people say it was over thousands of years and some people will say that it was over a relatively short period of time where there would have been increments of flooding that could have been 100 feet in a day. I've heard different people say different things.

• 2:52:21Speaker 01

  Truth is, you know, I don't know, but what I, here's the, here's the fact that people should look at is that, almost half the world's population today lives on or near a coastline, at least within 60 miles or 100 kilometers. Uh, many have suggested that that number or percentage would have been higher in ancient times because of more abundance of resources and easier to travel up the coastline. Um, but if there was a sudden rise in sea levels at a particular period of time, that would have been apocalyptic, so to speak, for so many people around the world on different continents. Even if it was just, uh, you know, a few, uh, I don't know how, how many feet.

• 2:52:59Speaker 02

  It was apocalyptic right here, three months ago, when that hurricane came.

• 2:53:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:02Speaker 02

  It was insane, man. Everyone lost their houses on the beach. And it was like, it was like Mad Max right here.

• 2:53:07Speaker 01

  And how, how high was that storm surge? How many feet?

• 2:53:09Speaker 02

  It was like nine feet.

• 2:53:11Speaker 01

  Okay, so imagine if it was dozens of feet.

• 2:53:15Danny Jones?

  It would have been, would anyone have been left to talk about it?

• 2:53:17Speaker 02

  And in addition to that, this is one thing to point to mention in the record. Look in the record and say, well, it took a thousand years for the ocean to rise this much. Well, that nine feet that you experience is 10,000 years from now is going to be a part of the record of the ocean rising so much over so many years. They're not going to see that nine-foot flood. You know, that's going to be, that, that does, that doesn't show up in the permanent record as, like, when they look each year, what's the sea level? What's the sea level? They don't account for hurricanes. They don't account for those. But something like that happens and it reroutes rivers. I mean, uh, I lived in Illinois, uh, near the Mississippi River in 94 when, uh, they had a major flood there and it engulfed St. Charles, Missouri. They had to, the US Army Corps of Engineers had to reroute

• 2:54:01Speaker 02

  the fucking river. No, they didn't have one 10,000 years ago, man. You see, city gets swallowed, the city gets swallowed forever. And then in the record, well, sea levels rose two inches a year. Well, they did, but right here at that time, completely wiped out overnight.

• 2:54:15Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah, my, my biggest skepticism when it comes to Atlantis is the Plato stuff. Because the Greek experts, the Greek philologists that I've talked to, one of them being on this podcast, they say that when you're in school and you're reading, you're learning about Socrates, for example, and a lot of the stuff that you learn about Socrates comes from Plato. They say that the people teach you, the teachers teach you that anything that you read Plato's Socrates was most likely bullshit. You have to take it with a grain of salt because Plato was a known liar. He wasn't, he wasn't a historian. He was a philosopher and he came up with hypothetical thought experiments, like the cave.

• 2:54:58Danny Jones?

  And, um, it seems plausible to me that, like in, in the Timaeus, that when they're talking about...

• 2:55:09Danny Jones?

  This war between Atlantis and Athens is that it was some sort of hypothetical war game that they were trying to play out and Atlantis was like a philosophical allegory, the same way Plato's cave was.

• 2:55:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:55:22Danny Jones?

  And Plato, Aristotle obviously said a lot about Plato being a liar. And there's like Homer, like Plato was big into censorship. He wanted Homer to be censored. He wanted to restructure society in a better way that was based off of like the philosophers ruling and all this stuff. So there's, there's definitely, that's interesting to me.

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  Well, to speak on that real quick, um, yeah, he was a philosopher more than he was a historian for sure, but if you draw a parallel to the modern day, say you're trying to convince one of your friends that the West is falling, the Western culture is disintegrating, say that's what your argument is. Would you cite Harry Potter or would you cite Rome?

• 2:56:09Danny Jones?

  Rome?

• 2:56:10Speaker 02

  Why? Cause it's real. So if Plato was trying to make a point, wouldn't he cite a place that at least his contemporaries believed was real instead of just making some fucking land up, oh, you know, that one place, um, no, he would have, in my opinion, he would have definitely taken something that people knew about, that people, people had believed in a lost civilization, they believed in Atlantis or whatever, maybe they didn't have a name to it at the time. But he, in my opinion, if he was using a metaphorical or an allegorical tool, there's no fucking way he would just conjure it out of thin air and it has way less teeth than citing something real.

• 2:56:43Danny Jones?

  It is worth mentioning that apparently only somewhere between 20 and 30% of Plato's work is actual allegory. So he get, a lot of people say, well, he made things up, he made things up. And it's like, well, most of his work wasn't.

• 2:56:59Speaker 01

  But you know, what do I know? You know what I mean?

• 2:57:01Danny Jones?

  Exactly. I can't read ancient Greek.

• 2:57:02Speaker 01

  Right? And, and, and that's, that's the thing. It's like.

• 2:57:06Danny Jones?

  Gets to take people's word for it.

• 2:57:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so it's like, you know, somebody, it could all be all made up. The thing is that I just find that 9,000 year mark.

• 2:57:13Danny Jones?

  I believe, I believe there was an ancient, I, I think that there was a cataclysm. I think that there was, especially when you look at things like the pyramids, that there was some sort of reset on, on humanity. I think that makes sense.

• 2:57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you know, when it comes to Atlantis, I have a friend, um, which she had said was, let me give her a shout out. Nikki Anna Jones. Um, she had said that, um, she looks at Atlantis not as a place, but as an epoch of time. The time of when people were traversing the continents, doing great things that was lost to time, that that was Atlantis.

• 2:57:44Speaker 02

  That's a great way of putting it. That's because that's like what, why you asked for the evidence and I'm talking about things that span the ocean. Cause that's to my mind is exactly what it is. It's, it's evidence of a civilization that's doing things that we wouldn't give them credit for.

• 2:57:56Speaker 01

  It would be the missing chapter of human history, as Graham Hancock has put it. Um, you know, when it comes to the wrist shot though, that is just such a, a fun mystery. And with the fact that it matches other striking similarities, like for example, that, um, the outer walls of Atlantis were said to be lined in gold. Um, it turns out that Mauritania has enormous gold deposits that prior to the discovery of gold in North America, Europe got most of their gold from Mauritania.

• 2:58:23Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:58:24Speaker 01

  That's the reason why they don't allow digging or ground penetrating radar out there. They're still protecting their gold. Um, also other things like having an abundance of elephants. And now that we know that the Sahara was, uh, green up until approximately 5,000 years ago, the, and there's studies that show that the, there would have been a massive network of rivers throughout the Sahara as well as the largest freshwater lake. And these studies have shown that it would have been, um, uh, massive routes for human migration all through the Sahara, which is now of course a big dust bowl. Um, but I consider that more suggestive evidence that if Atlantis, if there was a lost capital, why wouldn't it be, why couldn't it be in the Sahara? And if, if the colonists went to Egypt on the other side of the continent, it's not that unreasonable.

• 2:59:08Speaker 01

  To suggest and I also say this, a lot of people say, well, it's not an island. So it couldn't be Atlantis. So I'm like, well, the part they leave out is that the ancient Greek word for island was Nessos and Nesson, which had five different meanings. One of which was island, the other was peninsula, promontory, as well as land within a continent surrounded by lakes, rivers or streams. And one of the key details about this is that Atlantis was said to have a river that flowed from the mountains from the north. And so that Atlas Mountains, which is in modern day Morocco, well, it turns out that the Tam and Rissat River flowed at the same period of time of Atlantis up until approximately 5,000 years ago and flowed either directly through the Rishat or just north of it. And you can see this on maps, this is, this is in, this is scientific studies that have

• 2:59:53Speaker 01

  nothing to do with Atlantis. But as far as water, you could argue that it came from the Tam and Rissat River. So yeah, it's a fun topic like it's, I can't, you know, I've been clear on this in the past. Like I'm not 100% certain that Atlantis existed, or if it did, that it's the Rishat. But to me, I'm like, there's so many striking similarities that it is, I still say it by far the most likely location if there was one. However, if there was to find evidence that this was the site, here's the part that's really fucked up. So for this, for this theory to be true, it's dependent on a catastrophic flow of water that flowed over the Western Sahara. And if that was the site of Atlantis, people will say, well, where are the ruins?

• 3:00:35Speaker 01

  Well, unfortunately, that means it would have been blown out into the Atlantic Ocean off the Western coast of the Sahara. And there's a fascinating study that talks about the Mortanian seafloor slide that just off the coast, right in front of the Rishat structure, extending like 150 miles north and south, and a few hundred miles from east to west is this layered sediment under the ocean. It's layered over a mile and a half deep, like 3,000 meters or something like that. And I'm like, well, that's further suggestive evidence, not proof, suggestive evidence that if it was the site, that whatever that flow of water would have bulldozed that portion of the Sahara and caused all that layered sediment, what's now under the ocean. So if they were to go looking for relics of Atlantis.

• 3:01:19Speaker 01

  The gold would survive because gold doesn't rust. And you know, it'd be a task for seafloor mining people that you look for gold off the coast.

• 3:01:28Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:01:28Speaker 01

  But you know, that that could be a needle in a haystack. This may never be known. But if that if they were to find abundance of gold in that seafloor slide, I would say that would be, I don't want to use the word smoking gun. But that would be, that would be the probably the only way to figure it out. I imagine.

• 3:01:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And the other thing, the other thing too, is when it comes to whatever caused the flood that wiped out humanity during this time, whether it was cosmic impacts or whether it be like some sort of solar ejection. The one idea that I kind of talked about with Randall a little bit. And I know you've talked about it before is the pole shifts.

• 3:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:13Danny Jones?

  Where like if there is a huge, and I can't really remember exactly what he said. So I'm going to butcher it, but he said like, if the ice cap is really, really big, it's going to hold down the earth's crust.

• 3:02:24Speaker 01

  Isotopic rebound is what he said.

• 3:02:25Danny Jones?

  Isotopic rebound, that's what it was. And when it gets smaller, it kind of offsets the balance of the earth's crust.

• 3:02:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:02:32Danny Jones?

  Somehow, and it causes a little bit of like a wobble.

• 3:02:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's like a sponge effect that the crust will rise again. My wild theory is that because it's, you know, it's interesting. You have Graham Hancock, that's very a big proponent of the cosmic impact hypothesis. You have Robert Shock that disagrees greatly and says it was a solar outburst.

• 3:02:49Danny Jones?

  Isostatic.

• 3:02:50Speaker 01

  Isostatic, what did I say, isotopic?

• 3:02:51Danny Jones?

  Isotopic, yes. I was looking at it, wait a minute, what's he getting, okay, yes, there it is.

• 3:02:54Speaker 01

  Isostatic, thank you. And and then you have other people suggesting a pole shift. And I'm like, so there's no smoking gun evidence for any of these individual things. However, there's strong suggestive evidence for each one of them independently, not enough to conclude to conclude it. So let me give a shout out to Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers. Are you familiar with?

• 3:03:14Danny Jones?

  I've been trying to hit him up for years.

• 3:03:16Speaker 01

  Oh, well, let me text him. And I can't imagine why he wouldn't want to partner with you. Great guy, by the way.

• 3:03:24Danny Jones?

  I think he got back to us once, but he was busy.

• 3:03:26Speaker 01

  Okay, I know he's. Not for me to say, but I know he's a single parent. He's got a lot of things going on. I know that. Fascinating channel. I've been watching this stuff. So what if it's all the above that essentially there was a pole shift and one things that he informed me of is that there was something called the Gothenburg Pole Excursion of 12,800 years ago, which is the same period of time as the onset of the Younger Dryas that went until about 11,600 years ago. And I'm like, I've never heard of this. There was a geomagnetic pole excursion 12,800 years ago. Why? How am I? How haven't I heard of this? And this study goes back to the seventies. And so here's the theory that I would, if I had to suggest is that everyone's correct that with that pole shift, it caused a diminishment of the earth's shields.

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  The atmosphere diminished, which made us more susceptible to solar activity as well as cosmic impacts. And if the pole shift happened, let's say 12,800 years ago, and then maybe 11,600 years ago, there was the cosmic impact. And somewhere in between, there was a solar outburst because the earth's, the earth's surface will be more susceptible to solar activity as well as cosmic impacts. What if it's all three of them? Which I'm sorry to say, that means that the earth is far, if this was true, the earth is far more volatile than any of us even wanted to believe. That means that like there is periods of time in earth's history where it's like really, really bad. It's like, but that would explain why all we have left is stone and these unanswered questions. Right.

• 3:04:50Speaker 01

  That it's so much worse than people imagine. And although Ben Davidson doesn't identify with continental crust displacement, it's still possible that during a pole shift, if it's caused by the internal movement of the iron core in the middle, the liquid iron core, and then the liquid molten core that's in the mantle, it's said that that's what causes a, a pole shift is that it's the movement of the iron core and how significant of a It softens a little bit or something? It's already soft. It's liquid, but it moves and essentially it's a difference between a full on pole flip, which does happen occasionally in earth's history, but geomagnetic pole excursions, which are a partial pole flip happen intermittently, not consistently, but there's evidence of going back every like 12 to 13,000 years. This is,

• 3:05:35Speaker 01

  I'm going to make a compelling video on this in the next couple of months. But basically, the idea is that if, if, let me give you an example that we can all wrap our heads around is earthquakes. Some earthquakes are originate in the crust when there is movement in the crust and it causes an earthquake and others originate in the liquid outer portion of the mantle. If something happens inside the Earth's core and we're floating on top of it, is it really that unreasonable to suggest that it wouldn't cause cataclysm on the surface? Whether it be through earthquakes, continental crust displacement, which let me just say mainstream science totally disagrees on this. This is total pseudoscience. They do not, they do not agree with what I'm saying at all. Let me be clear. But it's still possible.

• 3:06:18Speaker 01

  And as well as, what am I looking for? Supervolcanoes. That's another enigma we don't fully understand. However, at certain periods of time of known geomagnetic pole excursions, such as the Toga, or the Toba, excuse me, super eruption of approximately 72,000 years ago, which is what the fossil record shows that humanity may have been diminished to just a few thousand people worldwide. That just so happens to coincide with a geomagnetic pole excursion. Now, I'm only connecting the dots. This is not proof, but what if that's what causes supervolcanoes? Or one of the things that it's the internal movement, rapid internal movement of inside the Earth's core, and it causes displacement on the surface?

• 3:07:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's

• 3:07:04Speaker 01

  Which, no, no, that's my point.

• 3:07:06Speaker 02

  Oh, no, just, I was just gonna use the Earth crust displacement theory is what you're talking about. That is, that's not accepted science, but the, the model of it, Charles Halfgood, the best explanation that I've ever heard is if you think of a core, or if you, excuse me, if you think of an orange that's detached from the peel, and if you think of it as the Earth's crust and the Earth's core, and you imagine the peel shifting over the, like you're spinning it on a string and then it just shifts a tiny little bit, that's your Earth crust displacement. That's where you end up with, the idea is you end up with different pieces of the Earth on the poles. Like the entire crust shifts. Chicken Little sees a sky fall because the stars dip. Like, whoa, that's, that's Earth crust

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  displacement. Einstein was even working on it with Halfgood back in the 50s, but it has lost out to tectonic plates and all that stuff. It's not the accepted model by any stretch of the imagination. But I wanted to put that in because that, I always had trouble imagining that until I read the orange metaphor and I've always, okay, I can see

• 3:08:08Danny Jones?

  Isn't there evidence that, or isn't it showing that like the North Pole is moving a certain amount every single year?

• 3:08:13Speaker 02

  The magnetic stuff, yeah.

• 3:08:15Speaker 01

  Like 38 miles a year, it's accelerating.

• 3:08:17Danny Jones?

  38 miles a year?

• 3:08:18Speaker 01

  Give this a Google, this is real, so this is mainstream science that the, we are actually living within a geomagnetic pole excursion. It's happening right now, it's been happening for like 100, since the mid 1800s. And there's several hundred that are known in Earth's history and were overdue. And essentially, the poles are moving, they've had to update airport runway numbers around the world over the last couple decades. It's happening. Now, to be clear, mainstream scientists will say this will not be cataclysmic and it won't, and it's gonna go on for another 1,000 years before it's completed, but they don't actually know that.

• 3:08:53Danny Jones?

  Movement of the geomagnetic poles is not a constant rate, but varies over time. According to recent data, the North Magnetic Dip Pole has been moving at an average speed of 55 kilometers or 34 miles per year since 2020, which is faster than the historical average of about 10 miles per year.

• 3:09:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09:13Danny Jones?

  This acceleration and movement began around the mid 19, oh my god, mid 1990s, with the pole currently drifting towards the northern coast of Siberia. Holy shit. And what is the conventional explanation to why this is happening?

• 3:09:27Speaker 01

  It's, for unknown reasons other than it has to do with the internal molten iron core, that it's shifting.

• 3:09:34Speaker 02

  It's pretty basic magnetism if you really think about it. Like, you ever seen like a Jacob's ladder with electricity going up it? The electricity doesn't just, zzz, straight across in this bar, right? It moves, it dances, it's like fire.

• 3:09:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:09:47Speaker 02

  So, imagine if the Earth is, just to make it simple, imagine the Earth was just a metal antenna with electromagnetic, with a magnetism popping off of both poles, right? That's gonna dance, it's gonna weave around and stuff. So, coming out the top of the Earth where that, where that pole's created, it's never gonna be stable, it's always gonna be a fire, it's always gonna be a lightning, it's always gonna dance. So, yeah, it's never gonna be stable, but at some times, it's gonna get a little wonkier than others. Now, since the Earth is a, that's created through this spinning metallic core, there's all kinds of forces that could fuck with that, right? All kinds of forces could fuck with that. Impact could fuck with it. Probably a lot of things that we don't even take into account, I would imagine.

• 3:10:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so like, how bad would it get? Like, if the Earth is spinning, right? At the rate it's spinning, I don't know how fast it's spinning, like a million miles an hour.

• 3:10:37Speaker 01

  A thousand miles an hour at the equator, right?

• 3:10:39Danny Jones?

  A thousand miles an hour.

• 3:10:39Speaker 01

  And that's how they go with the 23,000 mile plus circumference and yeah.

• 3:10:44Danny Jones?

  And if that's spinning, and then you have the Earth, basically the crust, go like this, rotate that way while it's spinning, I can't imagine anyone would be able to survive that.

• 3:10:53Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it would be devastating. That would be devastating.

• 3:10:54Danny Jones?

  Unless maybe you're in an airplane, because you survive if you were like flying.

• 3:10:57Speaker 01

  Well, they say that, so this is again, this is the pseudo part, but they say that because of it, the winds, you're gonna deal with the winds.

• 3:11:03Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, the wind.

• 3:11:03Speaker 01

  Let me just be clear, a NASA scientist debunked Jimmy Corsetti, he says, "I'm totally wrong," and he says, "No."

• 3:11:08Danny Jones?

  Did he really?

• 3:11:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, they responded. There was a, dude, here's something that I think is really interesting. So I had shared that on the Joe Rogan podcast I did with Ben van Kirkwick.

• 3:11:19Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 3:11:20Speaker 01

  And I was talking about the Adam and Eve story, which talks about the pole shifts being a, the reason why Earth civilizations keep getting reset. And I shared this, as I shared what was considered mainstream science and what wasn't, but Media Matters, which was funded by George Soros, did a hit piece on me in the weeks following that. And I'm like, why is Media Matters doing a hit piece on Jimmy Corsetti, the YouTuber, talking about some ancient conspiracy theory, which I made clear isn't based on total science. Some parts of it are, but like, they did a, they did a hit piece on me, and it was actually nasty. And, and I'm like, that makes my conspiracy wheels go that I'm over the target in some way. Because like, why, and I'll tell you why they would debunk it, is because it contradicts,

• 3:12:05Speaker 01

  or at least throws a wrench in the man-made climate narrative, which is that if there are things happening that are so much worse than anything we could do on our surface from pollution, that they don't want those, like, why are they so opposed to cataclysms in general? Like, Graham Hancock is, they don't even want to entertain, look, the dinosaurs were, you know, ripped off the Earth from a, an asteroid impact, but nothing much has happened since, so just shut up about it. That's kind of like the mentality, I'm like, come on, guys. Like, there's, there's evidence of extinction level events, you know, since then. Then, you know, the younger Dryas was 75% of all mammals in North America going extinct at that time. Crazy. You know, it's like, things have happened. Um, but you know, when it comes, so let me tell you what they'll say is that when it comes to pole shifts, the geomagnetic pole excursion, they say will not be cataclysmic.

• 3:12:50Speaker 01

  They say that the worst that will happen is that it could cause telecommunications systems and satellite issues as well as issues with the electrical grid. And I'm like, and that's it. Issues. Yeah. And I'm like, hang on a second. I'm like, if you're suggesting that the power grid would go down or that our satellites will stop working and telecommunications issues like our internet would collapse. If that happened, that's cataclysmic. If the power goes out, that means your city water pumps will, will stop working once the generators that are run off fuel run out. Imagine if, if the internet went down right now, almost every single cash register at any major, uh, store or gas pump will stop working. They won't be able to tender your.

• 3:13:27Speaker 02

  Take it a step further.

• 3:13:28Speaker 01

  You'll be able to use a credit card anywhere.

• 3:13:29Speaker 02

  If all the zeros and ones disappeared off of this planet's hard drives right now, how much money is left?

• 3:13:36Speaker 01

  Your bank account says zero.

• 3:13:37Speaker 02

  Fucking you are zero.

• 3:13:39Speaker 01

  That is crazy, dude.

• 3:13:41Speaker 02

  That's when you think about it like that, things get fucked. Okay.

• 3:13:44Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 3:13:44Speaker 02

  You're talking Mad Max. I mean, we're talking hardcore Mad Max, right?

• 3:13:48Speaker 01

  And imagine this, like if the, if the power grid went down, never mind that you can't buy anything, it'd just be wide scale looting and electricity goes down. If that happens in winter, many people would die. But here's something else is that the, is water, pure purified water, which is that once those city water pumps and the, the treatments, uh, facilities go down. People are going to succumb to waterborne illnesses. Like this is weeks after, but like in the event of a grid down scenario, um, the fallout from that, even the collapse of the supply chain involving, um, prescription medication. So my ex-wife was a pharmacist and I asked her, I said, how many people actually need their medications to live? Like, cause the people go in there for anti-anxiety and other things, but like, how many people, their medication is keeping them alive? Right. Whether it's heart issues or whatever it is. Right.

• 3:14:34Speaker 01

  And, and she thought about it and she was a smart woman and she's like. Five to seven percent. And I'm like, okay, that's a small percentile, but like, that's actually tens of millions of people. Yeah. And so it's like- And how many of those medications need to be refrigerated? Right, right. So, you know, so this is, so they can say that none of this crustal displacement will happen, the earth's, you know, nothing's gonna happen, like, okay, but if you're saying the grid will go down? Okay. You know, it's like, that is a, that's a big deal, because we're so dependent on it. If the power grid goes down, civil, civil is Mad Max.

• 3:15:06Speaker 02

  And they try hard to, it's almost like a psychological thing in humans ever since Darwin, to try to like, not, scientific humans anyway, to not inject catastrophic means into the, anything happening. They call it, the scientific debate was gradualism versus catastrophism. In the early days of science, it was expected to prove the Bible, right? So when you're looking to prove the Bible, you're looking for floods, you're looking for comets, you're looking for fires. When you look to prove Darwin, right, everything's slow, everything erodes over time. Now, after the KT impact in 1980, when that was accepted, they started accepting what they call punctuated equilibrium, where they accepted that you could have generally

• 3:15:49Speaker 02

  slow times with the occasional catastrophe. That's only fucking my age. I mean, I was five years old when science finally accepted that shit. So when they look at things like, what's gonna happen when the geomagnetic poles wiggle around, it's almost like this scientific knee jerk to just be like, oh, it's gonna be fine, bro. It's not gonna be bad. It has, it can't be bad. That would be biblical proportion. Can't be biblical.

• 3:16:13Speaker 01

  And you want to know something interesting? Is that there's actually hard scientific evidence that contradicts their, when I said that they say that the full pole flip is at least a thousand years away, they, not only do they not know that, because we've never been around to actually document and, you know, measure this, but there's actually a volcanic region in eastern Oregon, I forgot the name of the mountain chain, but this was a Nova documentary from like, maybe 15 years ago, where they essentially were able to measure that during the, a certain pole shift that had happened in earth-known history, it accelerates. So it starts slow and it gradually accelerates. And the reason why they're able to measure it is that anything, so-

• 3:16:55Speaker 01

  An active volcano at that time, as the magma turns into lava and then solidifies, wherever magnetic north was at that time of when it solidifies is where it's like a time capsule that your compass today will move as you bring it over that volcanic rock to wherever magnetic north was back then. And what they discovered was that during that pole shift that happened at the, that happened to have happened at the time of that lava flow was that the pole shift accelerates, it starts slow, and as it gets, it gets more and more dramatic as time goes on to when it's undergoing its full flip. They say that it happens so quickly that you could probably watch your compass slowly move throughout the day during the flip. So essentially extremely fast. Wow.

• 3:17:40Speaker 01

  And that's, that's hard science. This was a Nova documentary. I forgot the name of it, but it's a good 15 years old. It's hard to find, but I could, I could dig it up on YouTube. It's out there somewhere. But, and, and they share that. And so I'm like, any article I read on pole shifts, they say it's not going to be an issue. It's not going to be an issue. It's a thousand years away. I'm like, you don't know that. And, and you're ignoring the part that the best scientific evidence we have is that actually it's like a tabletop that you spin, a spin on top of the table, like a dreidel. And it'll, you know, go, it'll stay steady and then it'll go, eventually it just boom, boom, boom, topples over. Right. And that's how that documentary described the pole shift. It said that that's essentially how it works. It just starts slow and then once it gets going, eventually it'll hit a point of no return and then the flip happens.

• 3:18:23Speaker 01

  So don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. It's fine. We gotta get, we gotta get a hard drive on the moon ASAP. Yeah. And a seed vault. Because nothing's gonna be here, except for the pyramid and Stonehenge.

• 3:18:37Speaker 02

  Put my Bitcoin on a hard drive up there.

• 3:18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, Stonehenge.

• 3:18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, it's crazy when you think about it. When you look at what happened when the solar flares hit about 100 years ago, 150 years ago, and they burned up.

• 3:18:48Speaker 01

  The Carrington?

• 3:18:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, telegram wires and shit got burned up. Like that's, you start, we get to that kind of point with the, the poles flipping and stuff. And I mean, I can't predict what's gonna happen. I don't think very much anybody's gonna be able to predict exactly what's gonna happen because you're, you got electricity doing, the, the earth use, is our, is our ground. I mean, it's half of all of our electricity. The earth is half of the equation. So you start fucking with that polarity in our society where everything's electrical.

• 3:19:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:19:17Speaker 02

  It's just gonna get weird. It's gonna, we're gonna be definitely in uncharted waters.

• 3:19:21Danny Jones?

  Didn't the WEF, didn't that have something to do with Gobekli Tepe as well?

• 3:19:25Speaker 01

  So, yes and no. So, this is, this is conspiracy and I'm the one that had kind of blasted that out. Basically, I suggested that there is a correlation between the WEF and Gobekli Tepe, as well as a Gunung Penang. So, Gobekli Tepe has essentially, as of 2015, the Dogus Group, which is a conglomerate, a business conglomerate in Turkey made up of 250 companies. The CEO of it is a longtime member of the World Economic Forum. And since the Dogus Group took control of Gobekli Tepe, excavations have diminished in slow and now they say it's gonna be 150-year timeframe. And then I saw that Gunung Penang, the Minister of the Ministry of Research,

• 3:20:09Speaker 01

  Education, Technology, or whatever it is in Indonesia, is also a known global shaper of the World Economic Forum. So, I suggested that the World Economic Forum could be playing a role in preventing excavation. And I, in my mind, it would be because they don't want anything to contradict the man-made climate change narrative. Let me be clear. This is a conspiracy theory and it may not be based on truth. I have more doubts now than I did back then when I suggested it in the video. I still think it's possible, but for this to be true, I'm gonna need to see this at other ancient sites around the world. So, as of right now, I think it's responsible for me to say that the WF connection, although there may be something sinister there because the WF wants 15-minute cities. They want to get rid of gas-powered cars and stoves.

• 3:20:52Speaker 01

  These people are insane. They're the initiative, they're the ones that are perpetrating that out to the world. So, I'm like, these people are not looking out for our best interests. But it could be far-fetched to make that correlation and a lot of people have given me flack for it. So, I acknowledge that it might not be based on truth, but here's what I do know. Is that the people running the show at Gobekli Tepe have, and this is all in writing, they are no longer doing the large-scale excavations that they were doing in years prior, they're focusing now on conservation of the site, and they now say that there's a 150-year timeframe of when it'll be fully excavated. Now, the naysayers will come out and say, "Well, we never fully excavate sites as it is." I'm like, "Okay, that's true, however, Gobekli Tepe is a bit interesting, and that it's

• 3:21:35Speaker 01

  made up of concentric circles of, or I shouldn't say concentric circles, pillars, T-shaped pillars that are in circular enclosures, and they've only excavated somewhere between 5% and 10% of this entire site." The most recent study on Gobekli Tepe suggests that it may be the world's oldest lunar solar calendar, which is super interesting considering it's almost 12,000 years old, or at least was buried 11,600 years ago, it could be older. The best data we have on it is 11,600 years old, at least the time of its burial. And so, since there's more than 100 of these T-shaped pillars that are still buried, all of which seemingly are depicting something, could be telling us a story.

• 3:22:18Speaker 01

  Some people suggest that it was purposely buried to preserve knowledge of the past, or that it was documenting a cataclysm, that's all conjecture. What I do know is that we're never going to fully understand what this site was, and until we fully excavate at least the pillars, dig up all the pillars is what I'm advocating for. And if it's a 12,000-year-old lunar solar calendar, that rate there is significant, because the people, the academics, will say that "This was built by primitive hunters and gatherers, this is not evidence of a civilization, Danny. This is not evidence of a civilization, this is..." And I'm like, "Man, this site is so sophisticated, I don't think this was built by random cavemen people."

• 3:23:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:23:01Speaker 01

  Like, there's more to the story than that. And so, especially if it's a lunar solar calendar, that is mathematical brilliance.

• 3:23:08Speaker 02

  Lunar solar calendar come from Dr. Martin Swetman, and one of the things he's gotten a lot of grief for is that he interprets a lot of the animal symbols as different constellations, and other people have interpreted different animal symbols as different things, and then there's other people that are very skeptical, and they say, "These are just fucking animals, man, what are you getting into here?" Um, this could even be proto-language and stuff here. The thing is, is that we've got, every pillar we look at, we see new symbols. Every pillar we unearth, we see new symbols on. We, this is further back than anything we've seen like this. There's no reason for us to not, there is a lexicon of old iconography staring us in the face. It's buried under fucking ground,

• 3:23:52Speaker 02

  and they're advocating not digging it up because we don't normally do that. Well, look, man, if you go to fucking Greece, you dig up a column, the next column and the last column were the same, but we know at Gobekli Tepe, you dig up a T-pillar, the next column, the next T-pillar and the last T-pillar were different. So dig up more fucking pillars, man. This is not the same thing.

• 3:24:11Speaker 01

  And they have, let me just be clear. This is not a matter of funding. Uh, the Doges Group had poured in fifteen million dollars from the get-go to install, so this is where the real controversy comes in, is that they had built all the infrastructure for tourism out there. The, the roads, the sidewalks, the viewing platforms, and the roofing structure. And it was in the name of tourism and conservation. And, um, unfortunately, that caused a lot of destruction to the ruins in the process. Um, the wife of the late Klaus Schmidt, who was the initial excavator of the site, was an archaeologist herself. And then when she was invited out there in 2018, following the construction of these, these platforms, uh, she went public and documented that they had poured concrete on ruins, that some of these roads were put on top of ruins.

• 3:24:56Speaker 01

  She said there was destruction to ancient ruins out there, and she got a ton of flak for it. This is an archaeologist sharing what she witnessed. She had worked the site with Klaus Schmidt. And, so, I suggest that, like, two things. One, it's incompetence and mismanagement. They blew it. They, they fucked up when they, when they built these things. But on top of it, the fact that this stuff is on top of ruins signifies what I've been saying, which is that it's preventing a full excavation of the site in the first place. Um, it's an issue. And, you know, it's like they fucked up. And same thing with the trees. Okay, it wasn't nefarious, because this is where the, the conspiracy is, is like, they planted a species of tree that is illegal to cut down, and by having the trees- There you can't fully excavate it. That's conspiracy.

• 3:25:41Speaker 01

  Or maybe it's just money and the people, the farmers that sold it are just trying to make a buck. And, and they all fucked up in the process by allowing the trees to be planted where they were. Whatever it is, there are unanswered questions about our past, under the ground at Quebec Le Tepey. And I think it is entirely inexcusable to not dig up those pillars. Especially with, uh, you know, a study that it could be a lunar solar calendar. Like this is important. This is showing that humans were more advanced than what they were supposed to have been 11,600 years ago. And, you know, so I look at these things and I'm like, that even ties into the Flint Dibble, uh, Graham Hancock debate. And I'm like, you know, you know, they're arguing about different things.

• 3:26:22Speaker 01

  And I'm like, hey, we need to focus on the fact that like, there are answers waiting to be dug up and.

• 3:26:28Speaker 02

  They won't even agree with us there. They won't even get on board with that. Yeah. And that's, that's where, well, that's where it's really fucked. Let's be honest. I mean, that's where it's, that's just off the goddamn rails.

• 3:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And let me say something else, if I may. Um, one of the other pushback they gave to not fully dig it up is like, they said, and this is according to Dr. Leclerc, that the, how the field work there. Said that, well, we're going to wait for, um, technological developments to advance before we further the dig. And I'm like, what? Like, is there a magical shovel that's waiting to be invented? Is there like a new pressure hose that doesn't exist? Because like, honestly, these are just stone pillars that are buried in dirt.

• 3:27:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:27:06Speaker 01

  And if there had been an issue in the past, let's just say they had broken a few pillars. They're like, they're, they're digging them up and they're breaking them in the process. I could understand the argument, which is like, okay, let's take a step back. We're ruining the site. That has not happened. This is not an issue. They're just like pulling, they're gaslighting.

• 3:27:22Speaker 02

  The only, the only technology they're going to need to save stuff would be stuff to like, stop the damage, undo the damage the tree roots did. I mean, fuck, come on. At this point, at this point, clearly, like, again, there's, there's stuff there that we don't know. It's about the prehistory of humanity, some of the earliest, most complicated iconography we've seen anywhere from that time period. For fuck's sake, man, just, we, it's, it's like if we had two manuscripts and you know where the rest of them are. You're going to want to read the rest of them. It's, it's, and, and the opposition to it, honestly, is one of the things that is, um. It makes, it makes a guy like me even get a little conspiratorial because there is no fucking reason on God's green earth to not want, it's one thing for them to say, okay, man, you know,

• 3:28:05Speaker 02

  it's, it's gonna cost a lot of money. It's gonna be, this is gonna be a problem, this is, but the

• 3:28:10Speaker 01

  How much could it possibly cost?

• 3:28:12Speaker 02

  But the vitriol, fuck, the vitriol that we've seen from it's insane.

• 3:28:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's a shame. Here's a fun little fact, which is that most of the people they're digging out there aren't getting paid to do it because they're PhD students that are doing their fieldwork. Right. And so it's like, bro, I would dig out there for free. Invite me out there. Okay, I'll, I'll do a, you know, a half day's work until my hands are blistered. And, but like, no, it doesn't cost, it costs money. You gotta feed people, you gotta house them. Like it's, nothing's free in this world. But just to be clear, no one at the site that runs it has said that this is about money. And there's, we live, there's a lot of money out there. And if it was about money, oh my God, they could, they could crowdfund that. That is not, it's not about money. Cause that's what some of the people say, well, you know, things cost

• 3:28:58Speaker 01

  money. And I'm like, okay, but just to be clear, the Dogus Group is a billion dollar conglomerate and they not, they're not short of funding here. Right. And they haven't said that they were, and it's not an issue, and it is just inexcusable. And like you said, like, there's not a reason on God's green earth to not further study it. And if I had to come up with a conspiracy on why they would not want to do it, is that considering the evidence shows that Gobekli Tepe was buried 11,600 years ago, the same time of the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe, perhaps there's information there that, that would illuminate that. Perhaps it's the very fact that this site is, I think, very strong evidence to show, like as Graham Hancock puts it, and he just, they just blow him off,

• 3:29:40Speaker 01

  but it's like, this site is an enigma. This is not supposed to exist 11,600 years ago. And then the academic naysayers come out and say, well, it's not that impressive as it is. There's no reason to rule out that this wasn't created by primitive hunters and gatherers. And I'm like, have you seen the dam thing? Like, cutting these stones, 20 tons, you know, it's like, and, and the fact that it could be a lunar solar calendar? Right. That is, that's advanced. Right.

• 3:30:05Speaker 02

  Not only that, the fact, with them saying that it can't be built by hunter-gatherers, I'm old enough to have been like studying anthropology as a, as a young adult when That was, the way that it went down was humans harvested food, they stored food, we have a surplus of food, then we built. That's when, that's when we started actually making things. Before that, we've just built these primitive granaries. After that, we started building, building megaliths and cities. And so Gobekli Tepe turns that completely on its ear. Now they rewrote that order. They're like, well, I guess you can get a surplus of food from hunting and gathering, and then build, and then, and then build a city, and that could make you want to become a farmer and become more sedentary. It's, they, that one site is so enigmatic that it flipped

• 3:30:46Speaker 02

  things 180 degrees in that regard. And it's still like, that might even be part of the reason that they're kind of opposed to digging it up. It might still be a little bit of a black spot in some of the older guys' eyes. I mean, it might just irritate them a little.

• 3:30:58Speaker 01

  And one other thing to say about it is that, didn't, and correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I remember, Flint Dibble, one of his arguments against Graham Hancock when discussing Gobekli Tepe on the Rogan podcast debate, was the lack of evidence of farming, correct? Of agriculture? I'm like, that doesn't prove a lack of a civilization. Like, I'm not, no one's really suggesting Gobekli Tepe was somebody's home. And it's like, well, because, you know, it's like, where's the evidence of the agriculture? They'd have to grow food to live. I'm like, that's not proof at all that, that it wasn't constructed by people, or I don't even, to me, I'm like, that's a side point. I'm like, they got food from somewhere else. It doesn't, or the farm is gone. Like, like, let's be real. Are we really going to

• 3:31:37Speaker 01

  pretend that evidence of growing plants is 100% going to survive over after almost 12,000 years?

• 3:31:44Speaker 02

  Well, the assumption, if, the assumption would be that the crop survived, right? So, like, or that we could find it in the record from back in those times and find the genetic changes and variations and stuff in it. But that's something that they really are, like, it's spotty. The record, like what I talked about before, the rice thing, it's really, really difficult to pin down when certain crops became domesticated when they didn't. And it's the, going back, and genetics, when I was studying that stuff, the genetics on that was sometimes the margin of error. When you get back 10, 12,000 years, and you're looking at fucking seeds and stuff, sometimes that margin of error is half of that date. Oh, 6,000 years, give or take. Well, fuck, I mean.

• 3:32:23Speaker 01

  And I think we should consider the fact that the climate has changed significantly since 12,000 years ago. When I look at the Sahara Desert. We're in a climate dip right now, are we? Yeah. Like a huge climate dip. Yeah, you know, and if if I always like to bring up the Sahara, like this needs to get people's minds going, which is that if the Sahara was a lush, green tropical paradise up until 5,000 years ago, imagine how much differently the region of Turkey would have been as well, which isn't all that far north of it. Like it's it's geographically, if you look at if you're looking at the globe, it's kind of right there. It's not right there, but it's not far. And I'm like, what we're seeing at Turkey today being pretty barren, at least in the region of Gobekli Tepe. Like, who knows what that climate was like 12,000 years ago? Right.

• 3:33:08Speaker 01

  You know, and and and has since erased whatever was there.

• 3:33:13Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 3:33:14Speaker 02

  No, you're right. And a lot of that stuff, like they can tell climates in some ways, but usually, like an area like Turkey, they're not going to be able to get a whole lot of data for for that far back. Usually they go to like ice or a bog or something like that where where their the weather is somewhat recorded in the record. But area like Turkey, where it's just all like sand and dust, man, they they can give you some inkling of what the climate was like a long time ago, like they can tell you about the green Sahara a little bit, but they're not. It's nothing like they could tell you about parts of the world where it's colder or hotter or wetter. Like they can give you some pretty accurate dating about England because of those peat bogs. Peat bogs. So, yeah, there's a lot of stuff they just spitball on. A lot of stuff that's a framework that they've built based on different.

• 3:33:58Speaker 02

  They like a Greenland ice cores end up being like this huge part or the Barbados coral. They that's how they measure the sea, the sea level around the entire fucking world.

• 3:34:06Speaker 01

  Where?

• 3:34:07Speaker 02

  Barbados.

• 3:34:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:34:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's on the edge of a continental shelf, so it's considered the least likely to go up and down. And coral is very stable and been there for a long time, so they actually go measure.

• 3:34:19Speaker 01

  The coral in Barbados.

• 3:34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, they measure they measure that's how they measure the sea level rise.

• 3:34:24Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 3:34:25Danny Jones?

  Wow, that is wild. I had no idea.

• 3:34:26Speaker 02

  And then that that measurement they will apply.

• 3:34:29Danny Jones?

  And it's been the same for how long?

• 3:34:30Speaker 02

  To the globe. I forget exactly. A long, long time.

• 3:34:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:34:33Speaker 02

  It's um, it's where they go to do it. So it's again, a lot of it's just hypothetical. They assume that because it's on the edge of a continental shelf that it hasn't moved much over time.

• 3:34:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:34:42Speaker 02

  But if it has moved, it's entirely wrong.

• 3:34:46Danny Jones?

  Uh, the island is rising due to tectonic activity with an average uplift rate of about thirty centimeters every thousand years. The study uplift has allowed the island to lift up its encircling coral reefs, creating a staircase-like topography that extends from the shoreline to the highest points of the island.

• 3:35:02Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:35:04Danny Jones?

  The highest point, Mount Hillaby, records sea levels back to six hundred and forty thousand years ago.

• 3:35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35:11Danny Jones?

  That's bizarre, man.

• 3:35:12Speaker 02

  And so, yeah, all from one spot. It's crazy.

• 3:35:15Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 3:35:15Speaker 02

  But I love science because of that, but it's also, I always find it's interesting to look under the hood a little bit because the things that are presented with such certainty. We know where exactly where the sea level was in South Africa at this time. Well, actually, we measured that in Barbados.

• 3:35:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:35:31Danny Jones?

  Well, hey, you guys got flights to catch.

• 3:35:33Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 3:35:33Danny Jones?

  So thank you guys so much for coming. I really appreciate this. This is a super fun conversation. We just had like three hours and forty minutes.

• 3:35:39Speaker 01

  Wow, Danny, it was a pleasure. Thanks for the invite. Let's do it again.

• 3:35:41Speaker 02

  Thanks for the invite.

• 3:35:42Danny Jones?

  Tell everybody where everyone can find you guys on YouTube and all that stuff.

• 3:35:45Speaker 02

  Dedunking. My name's Dan.

• 3:35:47Speaker 01

  Dedunking.

• 3:35:48Speaker 02

  Dedunking.

• 3:35:49Speaker 01

  Always say, not debunking, dedunking.

• 3:35:51Danny Jones?

  Dedunking.

• 3:35:52Speaker 02

  D E D. Two D's, like my ex.

• 3:35:54Speaker 01

  Yep. And I'm Bright Insight, Jimmy Corsetti. Follow me on YouTube, follow me on Rumble, and follow me on X.com, formerly known as Twitter. Jimmy Corsetti, Bright Insight Six.

• 3:36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm on Twitter as well. Yep.

• 3:36:05Speaker 01

  Beautiful.

• 3:36:06Danny Jones?

  Right, man.

• 3:36:06Speaker 01

  Thanks again, brother.

• 3:36:07Speaker 02

  Thanks again, Danny. Appreciate it.

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