NFL Picks, Pippen Jordan, Only Fans, Harden & I Am “Not” Athlete

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast Business is business and family is family, but with The Pivot the two go hand in hand. While on the road traveling, the guys sit down for a personal conversation about life happenings. With the unfortunate passing of Fred’s grandmother, the guys prioritize doing a check in with him as his grandmother was instrumental in his upbringing and the heart of his family. Fred has always been vocal about the place his grandmother held and we know the loss of someone close to us is never easy. Coming together in Austin, TX with our friends at Draft Kings and brothers at All The Smoke, we were preparing for the opportunity to take part in a panel discussion about business, owning our own content, second acts in life, controlling our narrative and legacy. Part of having our own platform, earning respect and garnering success through our efforts, doesn’t always mean it’s an easy street because it does come with outside noise and sometimes taking the high road only takes us so far. We are all human so hearing false narratives and half truths become frustrating. Ryan, Channing and Fred address the Brandon Marshall comments and do their best to respond in facts rather emotion. Relationships can often be complicated whether it’s in business, friendship or romantic ones- but guys talk about how as long as you are your true self and act in the best interest of others then you move with good intentions. Channing talks about showing the faults or “crumbs” as he says is the only way you really know if you are dealing with the right person and can’t be afraid to show people who you really are. Excited for friend and former teammate Antonio Pierce for being named Interim Head Coach of The Las Vegas Raiders, the guys talk about the immediate respect shown for him from the locker room and excited to see what he does against his former team the Giants this Sunday. Guys also talk about former NBA player Joe Smith and finding out about his wife’s Only Fans page as they weigh in and share their thoughts for the entire situation and what reactions are warranted or expected if this is indeed true that he didn’t know. Also discuss James Harden’s legacy and the possible Pippen Jordan wedding and what it would mean for the two infamous last names! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:34Ryan Clark?

  I gotta see if I sent my answers back to my real job. I don't see nothing wrong. Not the one I'm part owner of.

• 0:45Ryan Clark?

  Can we still sing R. Kelly? Like, is that...

• 0:49Fred Taylor?

  You sang Michael Jackson.

• 0:51Ryan Clark?

  That's true. Who's worse?

• 0:53Fred Taylor?

  R. Kelly, definitely worse. MJ, I don't know what MJ did, but I saw R. Kelly pissing on the little girl.

• 1:00Ryan Clark?

  You watched the tape, Fred?

• 1:02Fred Taylor?

  Years ago.

• 1:03Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Yeah, I was in college.

• 1:05Fred Taylor?

  I think it was in a sauna or some wood room type shit.

• 1:08Ryan Clark?

  It was bad.

• 1:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. It was weird.

• 1:11Ryan Clark?

  I was locked in, though. Because I was like, this is terrible.

• 1:14Fred Taylor?

  Crazy.

• 1:15Channing Crowder?

  I even feel funny when I wear socks into the airport in the airplane bathroom. So I know I want no pee on me.

• 1:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:22Channing Crowder?

  I don't even like it when I see the pee.

• 1:24Ryan Clark?

  I'm shocked that you don't like getting peed on.

• 1:27Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 1:27Ryan Clark?

  I would think that...

• 1:28Channing Crowder?

  I don't like that, man. That's... I, you know, we like to get after it, me and my people, but...

• 1:33Ryan Clark?

  For a man that pissed on himself daily, every game day.

• 1:37Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:38Ryan Clark?

  A man that has admitted to, like, every now and then I have pissed in the bed. I just figured, like, piss wasn't really a big deal to me.

• 1:43Channing Crowder?

  But nah, it's not sensual. What's somebody want? Somebody squat down over him, letting a warm stream run on him? That's... Man, listen, men, men age, you get after it now. But that's... We... Got to draw the line. If you know what, don't stand for something, you go for everything.

• 1:57Fred Taylor?

  But, like, what's the difference in getting peed on and getting squirted on?

• 2:01Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the pivot. This is what we do. We pivot from conversations that will not allow us to have any sort of intro. To the show because though Alicia is great, apparently also money hungry. She, she can't edit that out. But before we start though, for real.

• 2:48Ryan Clark?

  Uh, welcome to the pivot. I'm RC. This is Chan. This is Freddie T. Uh, first off, man, my condolences to you, uh, and your family. Very, very sorry to hear about your grandmother passing. Um, I just thought we should say it while on the show because you were so passionate and talking about what, one, what she's meant to you, what she, what she did for you. Um, also some of your feelings about her being sick. So just want to check on you, man. See how you're doing.

• 3:16Fred Taylor?

  I'm good. I'm trying my best not to, um, I ain't even really, I didn't even want to tell y'all because I figured we got a tape soon and this might be the case, but I'm good. Yeah, everybody's good.

• 3:29Ryan Clark?

  Good, man. Well, I think, you know, you start thinking about people that are close to you and also how important it is for those people to truly know who you are. Right? And, you know, we've dealt with, like, I've dealt with stuff from our last show because of the things I said regarding Deshaun Watson and, you know, they've had people come out and say, I'm this, I'm that. Those sorts of things, uh, which I don't necessarily care to get into, but also Cam did a show with the other guy. And there was a lot said about Channing, a lot said about you, a lot said about Alicia, things said about me.

• 4:10Ryan Clark?

  I know, one, I'm very proud of both of you. Because y'all have taken the high road a lot. Y'all have been extremely respectful. Uh, he's lied a ton publicly. You know, he said a lot of things that aren't true. Said a lot of things that aren't true about me. I just don't really care. But for you, Freddie, Tiana, if there's anything you want to clear up, anything you want to get off of your chest and say? Because it seems like we've been trying to get it to go away and it won't.

• 4:35Fred Taylor?

  Right, just for everybody, whoever the other person is, um, or they don't know who the other person is. I think Brandon Marshall might be the biggest coward on the planet. Simply because he's on his clout chasing tour. You know, and I also kind of came across something that he said about Unc, about Shannon Sharp, which is crazy. You know, so why at this point in the game, you're hopping around podcasts, you know, talking about everybody? Uh, it's a bad look. And obviously I've read some of the comments and a lot of people agree that he's embarrassing himself. Uh, but just a lot of lying, a lot of manipulative, uh, movements. You know, pretty much how he was with everybody that he's encountered.

• 5:18Fred Taylor?

  Uh, but my question to everybody, because I can get into so much. Look who was always with someone. I think the real question is, where are those people that started with him? You know, me and Channing, Ocho, all the other people that were on the show that he went to recruit after Channing and I left. Everybody disappeared. And if you were right, if you stood for anything, if your integrity was high, then people will still, you know, rock with you. But nobody's there right now. So, um, I can really dig into it. Uh, but I think I would just be putting more fuel on his fire, what he wants. You know, considering he's moving around like that. I think what you need to do, boss, is handle your business. Stop fucking around.

• 6:00Channing Crowder?

  I say, and I think Fred, I was very aggressive and articulate. And I appreciate it. But I would just say the part I heard was a motherfucker acting like he made me. That's the thing I can't stand. How you make me, when I made your podcast, or our podcast supposedly, but it really wasn't ours, as we found out, then go to another one, create another thing that blows up bigger than that even was. That's the thing that got hot about me. Bitch, you ain't make me. Pauline Pope and Randy Crowder made me. I created myself. I do all this. So that's the one thing. And like, like first, there's a lot to get into about the lies. Anytime you want to talk about numbers, anytime you want to talk about contracts or what, show receipts. Don't just say this 25,000, or maybe it was 250, or maybe 1.2 million. Show receipts.

• 6:45Channing Crowder?

  If you feel that way, there are some contracts that done on paper. So if you really want to put numbers out there, we can show receipts. But don't act like you made a motherfucker. That's what pisses me off.

• 6:54Fred Taylor?

  Even that, you know, there are points where people actually sent me to show with Cam. I think Cam did a great job.

• 6:59Channing Crowder?

  I thought Cam was amazing.

• 7:00Fred Taylor?

  He did a great job, by the way. But when he talked about the things he paid for, he paid for everything. We was locked up in the middle of a pandemic. Nobody could travel. No hotels, what'd you pay for? At the end of the day, you know what I'm saying? Just everything he was saying on the interview was a lie. When I came in, I asked for paperwork for a year. You know, and I kind of let him drag me on. And then he said, the price, yesterday's price isn't today's price. Because I've been asking you for a year for paperwork. But because of who I didn't know I was dealing with, I didn't know exactly who I was dealing with. I sort of misled myself into thinking, your face is clean. Whatever you want, Brett, just say the word. That's what me and my homies would do. You know, I offered money.

• 7:45Fred Taylor?

  And then it was a year and a half later, he said, well, this is worth 500,000 in this valuation, which was insane. And I was in the room with Alicia and Anthony and everyone else when we was talking numbers. And then I'm like, well, you owe me X, Y, Z. He's like, no, the valuation is this. This is a guy who claims to be an entrepreneur, but he doesn't know the difference between equity and rev share. You know, and that's where he lost me. And I think at that point, I had enough. I said, I'm out of here.

• 8:13Ryan Clark?

  I have done my best to stay out of it because I wasn't a part of the initial show. And when it starts and he gets to me, he says I'm corny, which is fine. I don't necessarily know what that means. It ain't the first time I've been called corny by people, so it doesn't bother me. What I do know is, when he wanted to be the second or third person to get a contract to do TV while he played, he came to the first one. And I had that conversation with him. And when we started and we got together, you know, I told y'all very early. I was like, look, you know, we still have a working relationship. Mo Wells, who's no longer with him because of some of the same bad business practices was there.

• 8:58Ryan Clark?

  I was gonna go train the DBs. I said, so I would like to tell him. We were still working on our business end. And out of respect for my new colleagues, my new friends, my new partners, my new teammates, I said, I'll tell him when it's time. When it got to that time, I called him, he didn't answer. Then I called back, left a message, news breaks, whatever, we finally speak. And when we spoke, like, I was very candid with him. You haven't done anything to me? The business practices or what you have with my three new partners is the business practices you have with them? Does our relationship need to change? You know, and he said, you know, I just need to gather my thoughts. I'm kind of taken back right now, whatever, whatever. I said, I understand that, this is a lot, no problem.

• 9:42Ryan Clark?

  So from there, you know, he kind of tells me he's hurt and all those things, he said, I understand. I was like, look, I'm still supposed to come down and train the DBs, the House of Athletes. Do I need to find you somebody else? Because I don't want to leave those young men hanging. Uh, I think it was the Super Bowl in L.A.

• 9:57Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 9:57Ryan Clark?

  You guys are splitting to go one way. I was heading back to another spot, so I was walking away. And, uh, Alicia was close. And obviously, at this point, she didn't really want to be face to face with him. But that was Alicia. And I understood that Alicia and he had whatever, but I didn't. Right? And so this was one of the lies he told on me. He said, I walked by him.

• 10:22Ryan Clark?

  I ain't walking by no fucking body. I watch you, Daphne. But so I walk up to him and I look him in his eye and I shake his hand. Because to me, there is an opportunity to tell me, we are no longer cool. Or we have a problem. Whatever it is, I'm comfortable with it. But I want to talk about it like a man, because man, we are grown adults with children. We can't walk around beefing, we can't walk around fighting. Let's walk around with an understanding of how we'll move around each other so everybody's respectful. Or at least everyone's aware. Walk up to him, shake his hand, I think everything's good. So for weeks, I'm on Zoom calls, teaching these DBs. I don't have time for Zoom calls, to not be getting paid for them.

• 11:03Ryan Clark?

  But with an understanding we had with him, and the understanding I had with Mo, I do that. Then it's time for me to go down and train him. And he sends his assistant down, doesn't come down himself, doesn't call me, to tell Mo that he doesn't want me in the building. Which is fine, but I gave you that opportunity before. So now, you've let me know indirectly, passive aggressively, that we have an issue. Cool. Even after that, man, every time he would say something about me, or his new partners would say something about me, I'd take the high road. Because I'm winning. Right.

• 11:39Ryan Clark?

  He ain't talking about you if this sucks. Bingo. He ain't talking about you if this ain't good. It's hard to have to admit that it's phenomenal. It's hard to have to admit that this was my vision for what I was doing, but I'm not a good enough person to get it there. Drop the damn ball. And the thing is this, in my imperfection, I got grace for him. I said from the beginning, I think we both should have the opportunity to win. I think we both should have an opportunity to be individually great. You'll never be whole from that, from that situation, you'll never be whole. And he lied on Alicia, it wasn't 1.8, it was 1.6. I've actually seen it, how it's broken down. The paperwork, huh? I've seen the paperwork of how it's broken down. It's a little transparent.

• 12:21Ryan Clark?

  That if she gives up her rev share, what it takes to have a 13-time Emmy Award winner make your show a great show. I seen the paperwork. Right? I've seen the amount of times in litigation, things have been pushed, things have been challenged, things have been brought down. And when she's just trying to make herself whole of what she's spent. I know that two years later, or a year later, he comes back and he finally gives y'all something. Like, I know those things. And I get it, but my point is this, let it go.

• 12:53Ryan Clark?

  Let it go, because I don't want to talk.

• 12:56Fred Taylor?

  But that's the thing, he can't let it go. He need that, he need this circuit. People don't understand, bad business is bad business. Again, where are your people? Like, where your people at? Everybody that was there, where they at? You know, that's my question, bro. And I think, um, you know, I, I was in that room when he told Alicia she had 30% equity in the company. Like, and then turn around and say, well, I was confused. Like, cut the bullshit, man. You know, go start an OnlyFans. That's what you should do. You need some money, go start an OnlyFans.

• 13:28Channing Crowder?

  Hey, hey, what's that meme, the Denzel thing? That brother's starving. Hey, that's what's going on. And another thing, too.

• 13:34Ryan Clark?

  I'll for all the way, I'm leaving with something.

• 13:35Channing Crowder?

  I'm leaving with something.

• 13:38Channing Crowder?

  This motherfucker did not tell me to get my teeth done. That's the shit, man, me and Mo.

• 13:43Ryan Clark?

  I did want to ask you about that, because I was gonna say, you took his advice and now you're a tenor.

• 13:47Channing Crowder?

  But how, how was it? I am a tenor, I appreciate you saying that. See, see how, see how you slip up when you been on it?

• 13:52Ryan Clark?

  Wait, now, you know what happens? Hey, hey, when it comes to outside forces, I can behave this way.

• 13:57Channing Crowder?

  How you slip up? Dr. Amira Goonier is my wife's real good friend. We all know Wale. That's the connection. I didn't have to go through that weird looking motherfucker to get my teeth done. And I don't take advice from people like that, because I've seen what happens when you give people advice. That was the funniest thing in the world. You gonna use my, I knew I had raptor possum teeth. My wife's been wanting me, she been wanting me to get rid of them.

• 14:22Ryan Clark?

  Raptor, you had raptor possum teeth?

• 14:25Channing Crowder?

  A little armadillo, a little armadillo.

• 14:27Ryan Clark?

  And you was a dinosaur? And what do they call, like, possums and raccoons?

• 14:31Channing Crowder?

  Rude.

• 14:32Ryan Clark?

  Rude, oh my God.

• 14:33Channing Crowder?

  I knew what it looked like. My, my wife's been telling me that for years to do it. That's the funny thing. You want leverage off of motherfucking getting his teeth done? That's blowing my mind. That's what I'm saying.

• 14:45Ryan Clark?

  That's when you starving. It did take you from a face for radio to a face for TV though.

• 14:51Channing Crowder?

  See you being nice now. I appreciate that.

• 14:53Ryan Clark?

  You started believing in your own lies. Amen. What's honestly funny though Freddie T-Bang? Like you mentioned OnlyFans. Let's just say you was just like hanging out, you know, and your significant other, you find out she got an OnlyFans. Now, we also have to remember, this is Joe Smith's wife, who had a previous occupation that wouldn't make having an OnlyFans surprising. And so they, but they have the interaction on video. Now, this is what I'm gonna say about the video, at least the initial video. One, Joe Smith is talking to the air at one point. And she's videoing him. Then she turns around and having a conversation. Either Joe Smith is very Christian and doesn't curse,

• 15:38Ryan Clark?

  or he wasn't mad enough to curse, because he was very controlled. And he continued to talk about this on video, which I wouldn't. Once I realized you're videoing me, something gotta stop. You hot. Either the conversation got, do you, I, you know, do you think, do you think though, do you think she's supposed to tell him? Like if she's, if she's gonna have an OnlyFans, would you, or would you be okay with your, with your significant other having an OnlyFans?

• 16:06Channing Crowder?

  I would not be okay with my significant other having OnlyFans. Because of the fact that you shouldn't be putting that out to the world. That's mine. That's when we said, yes, I do, I do. Now that should be my material. There's one thing. The, the modeling and all, because I always say it, we talk about the nudity, the naked beats and all that stuff like, there's models out there that wear a string over their nipples and a G-string. And you showing damn near everything. But when it's an actual porn, it's an actual action of sexual things with someone else, that's when it's kind of out of line to me. So I'm not saying it's okay. But to answer your first question, If you start a candy company, if you open an ice cream stand, I believe you should tell your significant other.

• 16:50Channing Crowder?

  If you do anything in business, especially if it's something that's gonna embarrass knowingly, like, she couldn't be surprised that Joe was hot. Knowingly, might be embarrassing to your significant other. You should let them know that. So, any business, but especially that business.

• 17:03Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, but you don't think her having experience as an adult film star?

• 17:10Fred Taylor?

  What I do?

• 17:12Ryan Clark?

  No, I'm just thinking, I'm trying to find a nice way to put it, because it is...

• 17:14Fred Taylor?

  That's what it is, she confirmed that.

• 17:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it's adult woman, and she's married. I'm trying to be respectful. And then, an adult film star past makes it one of those things where she said, "Joe, you knew who I was when you met me." And he said, he was like, "That's who you were, though. That's supposed to stop."

• 17:32Fred Taylor?

  Right. You know what Too Short said when we was growing up.

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• 18:06Fred Taylor?

  You can't turn her into a housewife. I said last week, know your personnel. And I think Joe knew his personnel. You know, and I believe this whole thing, this whole thing seemed kinda skirmish.

• 18:17Ryan Clark?

  But that's what I'm saying. I feel like it's to drive people to her OnlyFans.

• 18:21Fred Taylor?

  They in B-Marshall mode. It's clout. They definitely, that's clout to drive traffic to her OnlyFans. And she said it. You know, I think in all of it, her demeaning attitude towards Joe, I don't sort of, I don't really like that. Because even on her interview with TMZ, she said, "Joe knew who I was before we got married." So she confirmed it. She also said, "He worked for me in my moving company." You know, "He don't match my hustle." You know, "I'm trying to get it. I'm trying to take care of us, our house, this and that." That drives me to believe that he knew about it the entire time. And they're doing whatever it takes to take care of themselves. She even said it.

• 19:02Fred Taylor?

  She also said, you know, in my past life, I did whatever I needed to do to make sure I was financially okay.

• 19:10Ryan Clark?

  That's what I'm doing now.

• 19:11Fred Taylor?

  I'm gonna do it now. I ain't got no problem with it. So I think this whole thing is kind of scamish. I think Joe knew.

• 19:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 19:17Fred Taylor?

  But again, even if he didn't, they gotta figure out in their household, man. I'm locked out of my account. I'm tripping.

• 19:26Ryan Clark?

  You had an OnlyFans too?

• 19:27Fred Taylor?

  Hell no, I'm tripping, bro.

• 19:28Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T.

• 19:29Fred Taylor?

  I'm tripping, dawg. Look, I am tripping.

• 19:31Ryan Clark?

  Based on this show, Freddie T., your OnlyFans would probably go crazy. Like, you got like this mysterious thing.

• 19:36Fred Taylor?

  Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm talking about access so I can see.

• 19:40Ryan Clark?

  And I just feel like Dwight Howard would spend big money on your OnlyFans.

• 19:45Fred Taylor?

  Hold on, bro. He sure run fast. I don't know if this, you funny, dawg.

• 19:52Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna get moving. Look, further this conversation, because Joe Smith, I read, he made like 80 M's playing, right? Something like that.

• 19:59Ryan Clark?

  Joe Smith was the first overall pick.

• 20:00Channing Crowder?

  I saw 86 M's.

• 20:02Ryan Clark?

  Top three, maybe, I can't remember for sure.

• 20:04Channing Crowder?

  If, and I don't know his numbers, I don't like to say I saw, I like to count no man's pockets. If they blew 86 M's or whatever it was, and she is doing, like you saying, whatever it takes to keep them living their lifestyles. Now, that was a big ass house. I even said it, I told, I see the other day, it was months ago. He showed me a picture of his goddaughter. Look, cute girl. He, you know, he told, hey, look at it. She was saying, ah, Bob, what you call you?

• 20:26Ryan Clark?

  Bobby.

• 20:26Channing Crowder?

  Bobby, Bobby. He showing me the video, and I'm looking at the baby, but I saw the hallway behind her. And that bitch went straight till it disappeared.

• 20:35Ryan Clark?

  What in the fuck, is he in a library?

• 20:39Channing Crowder?

  So I say that to say, I'm looking at the house in the video, and I'm like, this is a night, they in a nice ass house. They living good. And if she's trying to upkeep that by any means necessary, I listen, I couldn't deal with it, but I can commend her for that.

• 20:52Ryan Clark?

  I think one, it is too, right? What goes on in someone's home is their business until they make it everyone else's business. Like, this isn't a conversation for the world if, when he found out, or when they're having that discussion, or argument, or whatever it is, about him discovering her OnlyFans, it's not videoed. And then so once it's videoed, it now does bring in the scrutiny of the barber shop, the scrutiny of the conversation, the scrutiny of conversations had between man and wife, or man and husband, or wife and wife in different homes, because like this is a real thing. And what happens is like, it's like what you said though Chan, it goes into other things. If you start a snowball stand, do you share it?

• 21:37Ryan Clark?

  If we're gonna do this certain business and it's all of these things. Like the thing I think, I think that's difficult is what you said Freddie, is in thinking that it could be a scam. I don't think you ever want your marriage to be a scam. I don't think you ever want pieces of your relationship to be a scam. Because then it starts to draw into question like the integrity that we can show to one another. Right? Because we're all imperfect. And like everybody has their stuff. Some people's, some people's things are easier to get over than other people's things. Some people's things infringe on non-negotiables with their significant others. But we all have our stuff and what happens is as we grow and learn one another,

• 22:21Ryan Clark?

  we figure out what part of their stuff we can accept. Right? And Channing, you have a great saying, it's like you gotta love the crumbs, because everybody has a crumb. You know, think about a bag of chips. Like if you offer me Funyuns, I want you to offer me the Funyuns early so I can get a whole one.

• 22:37Channing Crowder?

  The real.

• 22:38Ryan Clark?

  I want a real ring, right? Because when we get to the bottom, it's like it's the crack ones and the crumbs. But like, the bottom of that bag sometimes can be really tasty. Right? And so if you can figure out if your significant other, like they bullshit, if it works for you and you can live with it. But like the hard part, and like I'm guilty of this myself, is like you don't even love your crumbs. Like you're embarrassed about what's at the bottom of your bag. And like when you're embarrassed about what's at the bottom of your bag, like how can I share it with you? How can I give it to you? How can I feel like I can? I could say here is truly who I am and expect you not to reject me, respect you,

• 23:20Ryan Clark?

  to still love me, respect, expect you to still accept me, when I can't damn accept myself. Or I've been told that this piece of me for so long is not only not what you wanted, it's unacceptable for everybody, but I want you and I want this and this is how we gotta do it. You know, and so like for her, like I don't, I don't know how real it is, like I don't know what the situation is, but it is like one of those things. How many conversations have we had about money? How many conversations have we had about our struggles?

• 23:50Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 23:50Ryan Clark?

  And if in those conversations you're imploring me to go be the man of the house, and I refuse to, then I can't be mad at you. For deciding to do what's within your skill set. And it sucks that that's a part of her skill set, but you knew this was a part of her skill set when you met her.

• 24:07Fred Taylor?

  Correct. I think some people are infatuated by this, this ideology of marriage and, and having that title. Marriage is the Super Bowl of relationships, right? You win some, you lose some. You get out there, think you're ready to play? Get your ass kicked.

• 24:25Ryan Clark?

  Denver and San Francisco back in the day. They had Jerry Wright with the two hundreds.

• 24:29Fred Taylor?

  In Miami. Yeah, I remember, I remember that. I don't know, man. I, I hope Joe is good in all of this. Cause it's, if, if whatever the case is, if she says, ah, it's just our financial struggles. You know, you hate to see anybody that have made the sort of money that Joe made. However, many millions anybody can make, I never wanna see anybody even be. Cause you know, really going back to that real quick, that's why I deferred everything back. Like I could've said, you know what, since you wanna be that way, I'll snatch all these, uh, old, uh, episodes down. Cause you didn't have the right to use my name, image, or likeness. But I was like, I'm gonna give you one. I'll take this little check that I, I don't need it. I probably lost that in the casino somewhere.

• 25:13Fred Taylor?

  But I let him keep, I let him keep the episodes up. So now I'm doing you a solid. But, uh, you know, I hate to see anybody really, um, doing real bad. But if you wronged somebody, you figure out a way to make it right. And this is for B still, uh, as pissed off as I am at you, bruh, for lying. Uh, I still give you grace. I hope you can bounce back. But, uh, in the meantime, I gotta tell the people the truth, cause you full of shit.

• 25:42Channing Crowder?

  Let me get back to the crumbs thing, because I thought about something. To appreciate somebody's crumbs, you gotta know them. And know your own. That's why I hate this thing. It might have been Ocho and, um...

• 25:55Ryan Clark?

  Shannon, and Shannon?

• 25:56Channing Crowder?

  Talking about he don't wanna have no, his woman fart. Or not know she going number two, and all that. That's the dumbest thing in the world. If you get with a woman, ain't heard her fart, and don't think she shits. What are you talking about? That's the dumbest thing in the world. I wanna see you have the flu. I wanna see you get the shingles. That's how you get to learn something. Yeah, I would... Do you have a chicken pox? Because you gonna get the shingles when you 50. Like, that's the thing. The dumbest thing in the world is like, people don't... They don't wanna see the crumbs, and they act like they not there. That's what I think people do in relationships. No, don't show me, uh-uh. I don't wanna see it. It's something, you know what? It's actually something I did. And it's not the crumbs of it, but like, trying to hide the financials from your significant other. And things like that, like...

• 26:39Channing Crowder?

  If you really love that person, y'all gonna last forever. You gotta... It gotta all be open. The crumbs, the financial side, the businesses, that's why I'm talking about that. If y'all really love each other, y'all really gonna make this work? That shouldn't be secrets behind anything with that. And the crumbs are the worst thing. That's what you gotta love. I love the big Funyuns.

• 26:59Ryan Clark?

  They're excellent.

• 27:00Channing Crowder?

  But those little bags at the bottom? I have to know they're there, and don't act in relationships...

• 27:05Ryan Clark?

  Scoop them over.

• 27:06Channing Crowder?

  In relationships, don't act like that damn orange powder's not at the bottom of that Cheeto bag. That orange powder's down. If you acting like it's not there, your ass gonna be mad when you find out that she got IBS.

• 27:19Channing Crowder?

  And she might... You know what I'm saying? Like, you find out about this IBS.

• 27:23Ryan Clark?

  Hey, so you go every morning?

• 27:26Channing Crowder?

  Two years in, so every morning, you fool. Hey, you be the drove off one morning, she think you going to work, but you forget something?

• 27:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 27:33Channing Crowder?

  You come back, she really getting loose?

• 27:34Ryan Clark?

  Oh, so that's what you do?

• 27:36Channing Crowder?

  With the door open?

• 27:39Ryan Clark?

  No, dummy. These dumb men out here. Y'all just went to dinner the night before. Y'all went to lunch the day before. Y'all ate breakfast. Where is this fool going, son?

• 27:50Ryan Clark?

  This girl don't take a shit?

• 27:51Channing Crowder?

  That's crazy.

• 27:52Ryan Clark?

  Hey, but I think it's a respect thing. I asked my youngest, you know, she had her first little boyfriend. And I was like, you know, babe...

• 28:00Channing Crowder?

  You gonna call the man little?

• 28:01Ryan Clark?

  He's 5'6".

• 28:02Channing Crowder?

  That was... So you gonna call him first little boyfriend?

• 28:05Ryan Clark?

  Well, there... I'm 44, he's 18.

• 28:09Fred Taylor?

  That's dismissive, ain't it?

• 28:11Ryan Clark?

  No, no, and he's little.

• 28:14Channing Crowder?

  I love it.

• 28:14Ryan Clark?

  We made it, I'm not talking with him. And so I asked though, hey, so I asked.

• 28:19Fred Taylor?

  We met here last time, right?

• 28:20Ryan Clark?

  So I asked though, like, you know, y'all was together, like, would you poop, would you fart? Not at first. Why? Don't get me wrong now too though, don't be cranking him up and ripping him. Like, don't be, like, don't make it a game, you know what I'm saying? Like, respect me a little bit, like, hey, try to.

• 28:40Channing Crowder?

  What about that just dozed off slip out though?

• 28:45Ryan Clark?

  That, that happens.

• 28:46Channing Crowder?

  You know, you roll over, y'all gathering in, you just relax, you get that.

• 28:50Fred Taylor?

  You get loose, you get light.

• 28:52Channing Crowder?

  Do you say sorry?

• 28:53Ryan Clark?

  You say excuse me.

• 28:54Channing Crowder?

  You say excuse me.

• 28:55Ryan Clark?

  And then you just go to sleep.

• 28:56Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I thought you'd act like you ain't heard it.

• 28:58Ryan Clark?

  Oh, no, I was saying, like, is she done?

• 28:59Channing Crowder?

  Don't open the blinds up, look out.

• 29:01Ryan Clark?

  No, but she done, I feel like that.

• 29:02Fred Taylor?

  What's outside?

• 29:03Ryan Clark?

  Hey, I feel like though, if that happens, it's just a great moment to like, let her know it's okay. Like, you laugh, you make a joke about it, be a funky, and like, you move on with your life.

• 29:12Channing Crowder?

  But you gotta kick up the bottom of the covers. Don't open the top.

• 29:15Ryan Clark?

  Oh, that's that stove.

• 29:17Channing Crowder?

  Kick up the bottom of the covers, yeah.

• 29:18Fred Taylor?

  But since we talking about, we talking about basketball and relationships, marriages, let's pivot to the Pippen and the Jordans. I wanna ask y'all, what y'all think about that?

• 29:26Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna say this, one, if Marcus Jordan and Lissa Pippen are in a true loving relationship, if that is Jordan Clark, I want to be a part of it. I would hope that if he truly feels this way about this woman, no matter who she was married to before him, that he'd want me to be involved. I would be honored to be Jordan's best man. But I'm not gonna be, because there's a Clark man that everybody loves more than me, that Jordan's gonna be, and you would probably pick him over me as well. My dad is gonna be Jordan's best man.

• 30:00Fred Taylor?

  Yes, right, so that part, and also the last name part of it.

• 30:04Ryan Clark?

  So, they said though, it would be Jordan, it wouldn't be Pippen Jordan. But I think it should be Pippen Jordan, right? Because we thought they was gonna only get six rings. They finna get seven rings together. Right? And on top of that, we thought we just had the last dance in the dynasty. Now, we got forever with Pippen and Jordan.

• 30:24Fred Taylor?

  I see what you deal with.

• 30:26Ryan Clark?

  Don't you like?

• 30:26Fred Taylor?

  Then they got a last dance.

• 30:27Ryan Clark?

  And?

• 30:28Fred Taylor?

  Or the first dance.

• 30:29Ryan Clark?

  And they gonna get a first dance. And so, I think, I think hyphenating it would be monumental. And like, could you just imagine?

• 30:37Channing Crowder?

  And very disrespectful.

• 30:38Ryan Clark?

  But think about this, though.

• 30:39Fred Taylor?

  Why?

• 30:40Ryan Clark?

  Think about this, though. Do you know the difference? Do you know the mind F it would be? Let's say you a hostess, right? You a hostess at Komodo, and you look at the reservations list, and it say, Pippen, Jordan. Wait, you mean Mike and Scottie finna come meet? Boy, you know, I heard I'd be when Larsa and Marcus walk in the room. I would, oh!

• 31:03Fred Taylor?

  Now, that's disrespectful.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  I'd just be so mad.

• 31:08Channing Crowder?

  From, like you saying, I understand the love. I understand the love, and if it's love, like I always say, I love love.

• 31:13Fred Taylor?

  Love, love.

• 31:15Channing Crowder?

  I would question the intent of Larsa with all the men in this world. Just everybody in this world, knowing, knowing how much, no, we watched the last thing you brought up. Knowing the Mike and Scottie situation, knowing how much she dislikes Scottie and their problems, and finding a son of that, like, it's too close for me. I don't know, if it's love, it's love, but that is, that's very close for finding the intent of what this is.

• 31:41Fred Taylor?

  If Keisha can say, you knew who I was before we got married, why can't Larsa say it?

• 31:48Ryan Clark?

  She didn't walk up to Marcus and he say, hey, what are you, you know, ballerina? What's your name, man?

• 31:54Fred Taylor?

  Nah, but if he, if he wants to go forward, it's already laid out.

• 31:58Channing Crowder?

  But the intentions of having that, and you talk, you, right back to the real, the realism or the, the, what it is with Joe and his wife, is that intentional to get attention? We know that Larsa is a reality star, right? She has shows and all. This is very advantageous to have a show.

• 32:17Ryan Clark?

  They already have a podcast.

• 32:19Channing Crowder?

  They already have a podcast. And now, this marriage, this wedding is about to be videoed and shown to the world. This marriage is about to be videoed. Like, it seems very business-y to have this connection.

• 32:30Ryan Clark?

  And I think, though, you also have to, like, just recognize, like, the real human pieces of this is, I've lived a certain way my entire adult life because of my relationship with Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen made a certain amount of money. There was a certain amount of cachet that came along with being with him. Now, she's dated other celebrities, other basketball players, all of those things. But, just as in any other relationship, like, sometimes they don't work out. Sometimes those men come into it, like you said, Freddie T., I know who you are. So, this is only going to be this. And we've all had those relationships before. Like, this got a cap on it, right? This has the expiration date, right? The ceiling, as Michael Jordan would say, the ceiling is not the roof with this relationship, right?

• 33:13Ryan Clark?

  And so, when you have those, so now, you're bouncing around, you're dating different men, this and this. But I think she's, what, 49? Maybe he's like 32 or something like that. And now, you do have this young dude who has cachet, who has the ability to have a certain level of money. And it's like, there's that comfort that you've always had, and he seems to actually be taking you seriously. And he don't have on Gucci flip flops. You see what I'm saying? And so, when you look at that now, it's like, oh, I'm here, like, at least in this one, I may be here for the love and the rest of it that's made me fall. Like, I think the thing that's, like, when I look at dude when he's talking, like, the mother effin' look happy.

• 33:54Channing Crowder?

  Happy.

• 33:55Ryan Clark?

  And I'm gonna be honest, bro, like, no matter how you get to that, like, if that's the woman you want to be with, and she make you feel like that, then be that and do that. And keep ignoring what everybody else knows about her, what everybody else said about her. Like, I couldn't be that, but that ain't for me. I ain't gotta do it. And that's why I can't judge it. I think the thing is too, man, it's like...

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• 34:48Ryan Clark?

  When do you start to realize people are treating y'all as caricatures and not people? That when a question is asked, well, what's the last name gonna be? You don't ask everybody what's the last name gonna be, right? There's always a reason behind that. When you ask that question, somebody's being played, right? A situation of, let's say, you know, Lil' Chan or Jordan marry some famous woman, and they ask them, well, what's the last name gonna be? Why are they asking that? Because they saying that these two men don't deserve to give you their last name, and you shouldn't take it. Somebody's always being played. And so, and this is no disrespect to Pablo Torre, because he's doing his job. But like, you start to have these conversations, and I think like, for me, what happens if I

• 35:32Ryan Clark?

  want to, if I go home one day and say, you know what? Like, I don't want it. I want this to be in the press, right? I want this private life with you. And two, now that they about it, how about this? What if Marcus Jordan likes that?

• 35:45Channing Crowder?

  If he likes the attention.

• 35:46Ryan Clark?

  What if he likes the attention? Because you could really hoop like that, and your daddy, nobody talks about it.

• 35:52Fred Taylor?

  Somebody had to make the phone call. Somebody called whatever publication, the original publication, whether it was The Post, TMZ, somebody wanted this to be out to the public. Because the engagement, the whole thing about marriage, or being married soon, or whatever, they had to get it out, you know? And then that comes with the questions. They had to step up and set up the camera and get in front of the phones or whatever. So, obviously, they don't get with them about what none of us think.

• 36:19Channing Crowder?

  And I think they're gonna embrace it. To your question, there's never gonna be a time when they say, no, let's just move out to Montana somewhere and live on a ranch. That's not the lifestyle that she has and has had for years, to your point. And with Marcus, that's Jordan's boy. He's been Jordan's boy his whole life. He played basketball, and I'm no disrespect, he seemed like a great dude, but that's Michael Jordan's son. Now, he's kind of stepping away, and it's, I don't want to say upsetting his dad, obviously, dads ain't gonna be his best man, but now, he's more than just Jordan's boy. So, I don't know if it's advantageous for everybody, but to say that they're ever gonna step away from the spotlight...

• 36:56Ryan Clark?

  What he's now is much worse than Jordan's boy. Being Michael Jordan's son is not a bad thing. And here is why it's not. Because we knew when you came out the womb, the possibilities of you being more successful, more talented, more popular than Yo Paul, was 0.00001. Yeah. Right? That level of expectation is insurmountable. Like, I don't know, I don't know anybody. There's one, here's the thing. There's not many people that great, right? It'd be like, like Charlie, Charlie Woods, right, who seems like he's gonna be a great golfer. It's gonna be like, man, is he gonna be better than Tiger? You see what I'm saying? And he might be, but you know, so... That's gonna be hard. Right, so I think that part's hard.

• 37:41Ryan Clark?

  But now, it's like, he still ain't Marcus Jordan. Jordan, he's attached to Larsa Pippen. I don't think it's, for him, it's about that. But like, can you imagine? Like, think about like crushes. Right, like when you young and you watch the TV and like you see these like women on the movies and you're like, oh my gosh, like if I could meet this woman or, oh, you know, you 17, whatever. Lisa Turtle. Lisa Turtle, Saved by the Bell, Lark Voorhees. Kelly and that. Nobody worry about Kelly and Jesse? Kelly, Jesse? Kelly Kapowski, Jesse Spano. Lisa Turtle. They had to give her a funny last name 'cause they knew she's still a show. Screech running about, there ain't no way Screech... Screech ain't getting Lisa. Rest your soul, Screech. I'm hot about that. Right, but so like for him, right,

• 38:26Ryan Clark?

  you've had this, this picture of what this woman could be, what this would be like, you know? I'm sure she was bad back in the day or whatever it is, when she was at like his birthday parties, bringing her kids to his birthday party. And now it's like, man, like she wants me. You know what I mean? So like, all of those things I think come into play, bro. Like, we just don't know how they affect like your feelings or whatever. But I just think... You know, you hope that for him like that smile is genuine because if it is man and he's that happy bro like God bless him because that's that's like people much as we say it man like we are milk we are meant for companionship and people search their whole

• 39:07Ryan Clark?

  life to find like a true companion and you don't never really know when that is or when it's going to happen where it's going to come from if he got it like that man God bless him. Well, fellas, we are back and it's time for our week nine picks Cleveland is playing such great defense now they got their guy back I'm expecting them to be a winner this week.

• 39:26Channing Crowder?

  Kansas City Miami over in Germany but I'm telling y'all Miami's the real deal this year I got Miami.

• 39:32Fred Taylor?

  I got a great matchup Buffalo Cincy one thing.

• 39:35Ryan Clark?

  Let's go Buffalo. Hey you have our picks make sure you make yours on DraftKings. I do want to get to sports bro tag got a job AP.

• 39:45Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 39:46Ryan Clark?

  Is now the new interim head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. One AP got nine lives man people just love that like it's it's crazy.

• 39:56Channing Crowder?

  A bad man.

• 39:57Ryan Clark?

  He's a bad man I'm so excited for him he's coaching his first game against the New York Giants the team who's a pro bowler for the team he won a Super Bowl with you know and me and Chan were riding over Freddie T and we started talking about okay what is this for him is this truly an interview is this truly an opportunity to get a job or is it like hey just go do this to the end of the season because if we remember you take it back the interim head coach that took over for John Gruden did an amazing job right you get that team to the playoffs in the midst of the Henry rugs saga right that's when Derek Carr steps up as a leader but they wanted something bigger they wanted

• 40:41Ryan Clark?

  something better they wanted Josh McDaniels it seems that AP's the people's choice like the the dogs like Max Crosby said it yesterday like he already said man he was born a Raider he from Compton he already said he want to match my energy like that's so much different than what you get from that Josh McDaniels Bill Belichick. And

• 40:59Channing Crowder?

  Part of the system.

• 41:00Ryan Clark?

  Part of the tree, all that.

• 41:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. And that thing with AP, my question about AP, is this a real interview for Big Bru? Or is this something to make the guys happy for a little bit? Because he's very relatable. Anybody know AP, AP cool as hell.

• 41:13Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 41:14Channing Crowder?

  AP cool as hell, but he has earned his respect in coaching too.

• 41:18Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 41:18Channing Crowder?

  But what is this really for our boy? And that would be my question. Are they actively right now looking for somebody to replace Josh McDaniels? And just letting Bru, hey, get in there, keep the guys together in the locker room long as you can?

• 41:30Fred Taylor?

  You know, I don't think they said it in that manner. But for coach, now coach, interim coach, Antonio Pierce, I think it's an opportunity. You know, it's an opportunity where the results are gonna speak. But being that they respect him and they love his demeanor and the guys, the team embraces him. I think that's a plus on his resume whenever the real natural interviews take place at the end of the season. And I think Mark Davis has been fair in his assessment and trying to bring in coaches and change that organization around. I tweeted, not tweeted, but I text in our group chat, Coach McDaniels might be the worst coach in the NFL.

• 42:10Channing Crowder?

  He did say that.

• 42:12Fred Taylor?

  And he's actually showing it, from statistically, from his resume.

• 42:16Channing Crowder?

  He go Denver to Las Vegas.

• 42:18Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, from his resume, that way. You know, I'm not sure if it's fair that Dave was supposed to catch the brunt of that, you know? But they do question the moves. But I think at the very end of the day, the Raiders have been the, probably the most disappointing team since he got there. From a roster standpoint, right?

• 42:37Channing Crowder?

  For what they have.

• 42:37Fred Taylor?

  From what they have.

• 42:38Channing Crowder?

  What they have compared to what they've done.

• 42:39Fred Taylor?

  You saw what they brought in, Josh Jacob, when they had brought Tay in. You know, when Derek Carr was there, Waller, Max Crosby and them.

• 42:48Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 42:48Fred Taylor?

  Like what they brought over from the DN, from.

• 42:52Channing Crowder?

  Chandler.

• 42:53Fred Taylor?

  Chandler.

• 42:53Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 42:54Fred Taylor?

  You know, I'm like, okay, the Raiders, they about to make some moves and then last year was disappointing. I think they're six and 11. And then this year, they can't get out of their own way. You know what I'm saying? So I think it might be fair that Dave is out as well. But again, I knew for certain. That Josh probably wasn't gonna make it through the season. But I'm rooting for AP. AP is certainly worthy of it.

• 43:18Channing Crowder?

  Josh is about to run right back to New England with his father, Bill Belichick.

• 43:22Fred Taylor?

  Because some people can't micromanage.

• 43:24Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'll be honest with you. But that's the other part though is too. Micromanaging doesn't work for everybody. I think, and this is, this is my opinion. One, you know, because I wanted to make sure. Rich Bisaccia was the, the special teams coordinator who took over for John Gruden. Who got that team to the playoffs. Right? You get rid of him, you bring in Josh McDaniels. I think the thing Mark Davis has to think of is. Maybe I gotta be, or I have to work with someone who can predict the next, not retread. Because you go get John Gruden, you give him 100 million because you, of what you knew about him. You go get Josh McDaniels because of what you think you knew about him. Now, can you sit down with someone and say, what can I learn about you that tells me who you're going to be? Right?

• 44:08Ryan Clark?

  That's the coach the Raiders need, which I think is part of AP being there.

• 44:12Channing Crowder?

  It's the new wave. Kyle Shanahan, balling. McVay got him a Super Bowl in LA. Well, McDaniels right now, Miami, what he's doing. It's these young guys that, the upper, up and comers, not these old, what I, what he's done for me. It's 10 years ago. He knows how to win a Super Bowl. You don't think some of these young dudes been in systems that know how to win a Super Bowl and can do it better?

• 44:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and it can't be too low. It can't be like, because so and so thinks you're something, I believe you're something. It has to be like, I learned who you are. I spent time with you.

• 44:42Fred Taylor?

  And also, I think hiring AP, if he's officially the head coach going into next season. It helps them balance the books because I think he owes between Josh and, and Dave. I think he's in the book somewhere like 90 million dollars that he still owe out to them. So if you bring in AP, you get an opportunity to sort of balance that out and average, you know.

• 45:03Ryan Clark?

  So for me, man, it's like AP, I want him to do a great job. I want him to kill it. I want him to show the world. I think the same thing I felt Mike T. showed the world. The same thing I feel Mike McDaniel shows the world is like, it's different ways to lead. Right? Like I was with Antonio Pierce, man, in Washington and like, he was my first friend. You know, the first person to invite me to his house, the first person to let me meet his family. You know, Robert Roy was my cousin, so that's how I met AP. And like, that sort of leadership is different. When you go back home with him to LA, and he with his homeboys, they call the Rascals. Like, that was like their high school names. Like, you could see the way he brings people in,

• 45:48Ryan Clark?

  the way he makes people feel loved, the way he makes people feel seen, feel heard. And you want to be a part of that. And I think that's what he's brought there. He said, "Look, I'm a former player. I understand how to relate to players, and I want them," and he should have said pause. He's like, "I want them to feel me, you know, and I'm gonna feel them." Yeah, I know. But my point is that it's like, okay, this is gonna be about us.

• 46:11Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  It's not my way or the highway. It's not one way is the only way. It's our way is the way we try to go play. And you know, I text with Devonte, and you know, he said like, "This is what we wanted." You know, like, "This is what the team wanted. This is what we thought was best." And so I'm excited for him. I think the only thing that I'd finish with though, and this is just my last question to both of you. What's James Harden's legacy? He's now in LA. He forced a trade to the Clippers out of Philadelphia, where they were supposed to be trusting the process. You got an opportunity to go to Brooklyn with Kyrie and KD with injuries and all those things. That doesn't work. You become one of the most prolific scorers that has ever lived in Houston. But in order to get to Houston and not become that,

• 46:57Ryan Clark?

  you had to leave KD and Russ, which could have been a bigger big three or a big three that resembled Golden State, especially they were more talented than that group. What do you think James Harden's legacy is now?

• 47:10Fred Taylor?

  He has an opportunity to finish the script, like, finish the book, finish his ending. But I think until then, he's just a former scoring champ MVP.

• 47:21Channing Crowder?

  One of the most prolific ISO scorers I've watched in my life, honestly. Hall of Fame and championships and all that, that man can get the ball in the bucket. But... He wasn't with all this teaming up stuff. He wasn't with all this big three, these super teams. He wasn't, James might now be chasing the championship. James wasn't chasing no championship. James wanted money and he wanted to have a good time. Did he get in his own way with those approaches? If he is looked upon not winning a championship? But the man can play basketball and I think that's what a lot of people forget about James Harden. Like whatever you want to say about him being a strip club, I know. But that man's a hell of a basketball player.

• 47:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think the thing for me is, you know, like we all talk and we all put ourselves in certain positions. Is that he, he was and still is such a talented offensive basketball player. Like he really is. And it's when you start to make these moves and these moves don't work. It's when do people start feeling like you're the problem? Right? Why doesn't it work in Brooklyn? Why does Houston never quite get over? What happens in the playoffs and the game sevens? When you could put the basket, the basketball in the basket better than anybody in the world? But now you can't today. Oh, and you can't this day. Or we got game six and game seven against Boston. All we gotta do is win one with Joel Embiid. And when he's not quite Joel Embiid, you can't beat James Harden.

• 48:43Ryan Clark?

  Everybody's saying we need Tyrese Maxey. Now you're over there with Kawhi and Russ and Paul. Which six years ago, I'd have told you give him the ring now. Now they gotta work for it with that group. And so it will be interesting to see.

• 48:56Channing Crowder?

  One thing he could do is fluctuate his weight though. I'd be impressed. He could lose 40 pounds overnight.

• 49:01Ryan Clark?

  He does look smaller very quickly when he gets to new places.

• 49:04Channing Crowder?

  Big and skinny. That's one thing he do. I don't know. He should get a Isagenix. Is that still around? Some kind of endorsement. Cause that man lose 50 pounds in 14 hours.

• 49:12Fred Taylor?

  He don't need no endorsement. He just need to come back and play how he know, how we know or think he can play.

• 49:19Ryan Clark?

  Well, and I think this is like how I'll end the show. What I heard recently was Showtime ain't no neither one of y'all. Pretty damn cool. Tonight we doing a show with all the smoke that we getting paid for.

• 49:35Channing Crowder?

  Hey y'all.

• 49:35Fred Taylor?

  Petty Pivot.

• 49:37Channing Crowder?

  Somebody told me to get a BBL.

• 49:42Channing Crowder?

  I'm headed there now, I'll holler at y'all.

• 50:09Speaker 06

  Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time.

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