Episode 310 - The Telepathy Tapes

There is a group of people who are living amongst us, who openly, freely, and easily read minds. We binged The Telepathy Tapes, a new podcast by Ky Dickens , and our minds are reeling at the potential of accessing telepathy, the collective consciousness, and the astral plane. How can we talk to trees and access the library in the sky? How to we chat on the hill and access pure love? How do we talk to the dead and predict the future? One thing's for certain, we aren't leaving this conversation the same... Listen to The Telepathy Tapes Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] Encounters episodes are released every Thursday at 9am PST/12pm EST. Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! This episode is sponsored by Thrive Causemetics, BetterHelp, Hers, and Smalls. Thrive Causemetics is luxury beauty that gives back. Get an exclusive 20% off your first order at thrivecausemetics.com/TGOG Discover your relationship green flags, with Betterhelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/TGOG to get 10% off your first month Start your initial free online visit today at forhers.com/TGOG Give your cat the food they deserve Head to Smalls.com and use promo code TGOG at checkout for 50% off your first order PLUS free shipping! If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:04Corinne Vien?

  Hi.

• 2:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hello.

• 2:06Corinne Vien?

  This is Two Girls, One Ghost.

• 2:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two Girls, One Ghost. And staring you so deeply in the eyes.

• 2:11Corinne Vien?

  I feel like we haven't seen each other in a long time.

• 2:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know, even though it's been like less than a week.

• 2:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are your guestesses. That is Corinne.

• 2:17Corinne Vien?

  Hello.

• 2:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I am Sabrina. And we have exciting news that we haven't talked about on the podcast at all.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  I have no idea what we're about to say.

• 2:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know. Just as a let everyone know upfront, this changes nothing for any of you or your listening experiences.

• 2:31Corinne Vien?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But we are moving our podcast over to Sony Podcasts and it's kind of a monumental moment for us because we started this podcast in 2017. We were little babies. We had no idea what we were doing.

• 2:47Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 2:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We found a way to create a podcast on an RSS feed through like WordPress, through Blur, Blueberry. Like it was so confusing.

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  We had to watch like 30 hours of YouTube videos to figure out how to make it work.

• 2:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we somehow did.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  Now podcasting is so much more accessible.

• 3:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So much more accessible. We started in August and in December or like November, we had gotten reached out to by Audioboom and-

• 3:09Corinne Vien?

  Who we've been with for seven years.

• 3:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Corinne Vien?

  And they've been so amazing.

• 3:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So amazing.

• 3:13Corinne Vien?

  To us and they've helped us get where we are.

• 3:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. It's like a beautiful moment in our growth as a business and as a podcast that we're moving over to Sony Podcasts, which again, it literally changes nothing for you, but it's just a-

• 3:27Corinne Vien?

  But perhaps maybe we'll have some opportunities to do some other interesting things. One of our million business ideas that we've had.

• 3:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Millions.

• 3:34Corinne Vien?

  We'll see, but we're very excited. We're very excited that Sony wants us. Oh my God.

• 3:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Someone joked because we talked about the pendulum stand, I think like, I don't know, some years ago, and someone was like, finally, two years later, you actually got the pendulum stand.

• 3:49Corinne Vien?

  And now we don't use them because we can't hang our pendulums on them. Someone, someone sent us a link to one that like is easy to use. Cause I feel like all of them have hooks and our chains are so tight, we can't put them in the hooks.

• 4:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I do have a different pendulum, which I've never used and I don't have a relationship with it. So I don't know. I feel like warm up to it.

• 4:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 4:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I just, and I also don't want to betray Daniel. Daniel is the trickster spirit attached to my pendulum. If you're new here and don't know what we're talking about, but it does have a hook. So I could technically use my new pendulum, but I don't.

• 4:21Corinne Vien?

  No, I don't want you to. I want Daniel to be here.

• 4:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 4:23Corinne Vien?

  And my unnamed spirit who just chills with my pendulum.

• 4:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And loves you.

• 4:27Corinne Vien?

  I don't know who they are.

• 4:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Called to you.

• 4:29Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Remember when I was asking them a bunch of questions about you and it was-

• 4:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's just nothing.

• 4:34Corinne Vien?

  It wasn't just nothing. It was like someone was pulling it straight, like not allowing it to even quiver in a direction. It was like, mind your own business.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 4:41Corinne Vien?

  Even though you were the one asking me to ask the pendulum questions.

• 4:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it was like, no, we're not going to answer for Sabrina. Sabrina has to figure it out on her own.

• 4:49Corinne Vien?

  This is Sabrina's journey that she needs to take on her own. And I look you have Daniel.

• 4:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Y'all, it's been how many years and I'm still on the journey.

• 4:58Corinne Vien?

  I guess that's life. Yeah, that is life, but what is life? And the idea of life. But kind of, yeah, because I don't think we're going to be overly surprised by some of the things that come up in today's episode.

• 5:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Corinne Vien?

  But I think it is pretty world shattering for many to hear what has been described on the telepathy tapes.

• 5:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so excited for this.

• 5:21Corinne Vien?

  This is like, I don't even know how to describe this episode because really it's just, there's a podcast out called The Telepathy Tapes that chronicles a specific group of people that can read minds, are essentially telepathic and have a very strong connection to planes and dimensions that we often dream and theorize about.

• 5:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 5:42Corinne Vien?

  And they do it with ease.

• 5:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Clearly it's proof that our brains have the capacity to do more and we just don't necessarily understand it yet.

• 5:51Corinne Vien?

  But this is kind of the interesting thing with this podcast is the brain is basically inconsequential here. Like there, there's a complete separation of consciousness when it comes to the brain and then what is consciousness? Which consciousness is not understood.

• 6:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 6:05Corinne Vien?

  And I'm very excited for, there's an episode of Blink that comes out that talks a lot about that. So The Telepathy Tapes, I feel like shake things up a lot when it comes to like the idea of what does the brain do in terms of its connection to consciousness and the spirit world. And then there's stuff that's happening with Jake that just kind of shakes up our, our understanding of like the physical brain itself and how it functions.

• 6:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we're also gonna have Jake on our podcast to talk about some of the paranormal-ish things that have happened to him, especially during everything when he was in a coma.

• 6:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and honestly, I think our episode might come out before I put it out on Blink. So potentially it might be the first of years. We'll see. I don't know. I can't remember. Okay, so the telepathy tapes is this podcast and it is absolutely incredible. And normally we don't do episodes like this, but Sabrina's also listened to a good chunk of it. I listened to the whole thing.

• 6:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 6:57Corinne Vien?

  And

• 6:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've listened to two episodes.

• 6:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh, oh, my God, I'm so excited to freaking shatter your world. It's so good. So I thought maybe this is kind of like, I'll, I'll go through a small, small chunk of what the podcast covers.

• 7:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Corinne Vien?

  But it does open up so much for us and things that we've talked about. And I will say upfront, I am proud of us because I think some of the things we've theorized and started to inch towards.

• 7:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Corinne Vien?

  In terms of what we keep coming back to. I think we were starting to get close to what we'll learn as like the answer.

• 7:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're on the mark.

• 7:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, we were, we were getting closer. We were way closer than we were seven years ago.

• 7:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 7:33Corinne Vien?

  So there is a group of people who live amongst us, who openly, freely and easily read minds. And these people are often categorized as having a disability. And yet we are the ones left without the ability.

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 7:46Corinne Vien?

  Of telepathy.

• 7:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who's really got the disability here?

• 7:49Corinne Vien?

  Right. But this group of people, they tap into the collective consciousness. And Kai Dickens, who is a documentarist, she, four years ago, started to basically research and interact with this group of people. And it is people who primarily are nonverbal autistic. Some of them have limited language, but primarily it's a group of people with autism who do not communicate verbally at all.

• 8:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they don't need to.

• 8:15Corinne Vien?

  They communicate way better than we do and beyond our understanding, but we cannot access their language.

• 8:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Well, this also reminds me of, we did an episode on Ingrid Cold.

• 8:29Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 8:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And there's this planet, Lanylos. Which is like connected to Mothman and there's a book written all about this planet Lanylos where those alien species are from. And it's a planet where they all communicate telepathically. And it started from, do you remember how, and I might be butchering this because my recall is probably off, but this group of people moved to this planet Lanylos and they were all verbally speaking, but I guess there was like a conflict and people all went their separate ways. And then they started to hear each other's thoughts because it was like this need for community was so strong that they started to, across miles away from each other, hear each other's thoughts. And it brought them back together

• 9:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  and it made them understand each other in a very different way.

• 9:15Corinne Vien?

  And then their language and communication was all grounded in complete understanding and love.

• 9:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:21Corinne Vien?

  Which is exactly what happens here.

• 9:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 9:24Corinne Vien?

  It is fucking crazy.

• 9:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's crazy.

• 9:26Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God, I'm so excited.

• 9:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 9:28Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so Kai Dickens, she first discovered this happening because she was listening to a podcast that featured Dr. Diane Hennessy Powell. And Dr. Diane Hennessy Powell, she had been trained at John Hopkins as a neuroscientist. And then she, in her research, was looking at studying savants. So people who have the ability to access information and be experts in information beyond what they essentially have been given access to. So it's like, you know, you see the four-year-old who's composing things beyond Mozart's level and you're like, well, that is a musical savant.

• 9:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 10:00Corinne Vien?

  Oftentimes.

• 10:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or a reincarnated soul.

• 10:02Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah. Reincarnation comes into play here, too. Well, I don't want to give everything away because I want people to listen to this podcast because it's absolutely incredible.

• 10:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, your excitement alone is going to send people to go listen to it.

• 10:12Corinne Vien?

  Oh, it's so good. Drop everything. Stop. Hit pause here. Go listen. Vinge those 10 episodes. They're so good. Okay, so basically, Dr. Diane Powell, she was studying savants and, and you know this because you listened to the first two episodes, but, but she started to realize, or it wasn't even really her realization, but teachers and parents and even some doctors who were working with these kids, these savants, started to bring up something to Diane that made her question how she was conducting research and how basically the medical field. Understood or assumed, I guess, how savants becomes savants.

• 10:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 10:51Corinne Vien?

  I'm like stumbling over words because it's so hard to describe.

• 10:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like we don't have, we didn't have the real understanding. We thought something and it wasn't necessarily true.

• 10:59Corinne Vien?

  So the medical world accepts savants.

• 11:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 11:02Corinne Vien?

  And yet somehow they cannot accept what Dr. Diane Powell was told, which is that so many teachers, doctors, so many parents, so many siblings, believe that their nonverbal student or child or friend can read their minds.

• 11:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crazy.

• 11:19Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And this is like this world of people who are telepathic and they have, like this, this world exists too on social media where like parents will go and join these Facebook groups and say, I think my autistic child is reading my mind. I think that there's telepathy. And it is constantly squashed. Dr. Diane Powell, she did her very first research project and published her like report or like a book or whatever on her findings, studying kind of like the savant versus telepathy versus autistic channel. And her license was revoked.

• 11:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So fucked up.

• 11:54Corinne Vien?

  They hadn't even read her research and they just stripped her of her license.

• 11:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're too crazy. You're questioning things that we don't want you to question.

• 12:01Corinne Vien?

  And then once they were forced to actually review what happened, they had to give her her medical license back because she actually was following everything.

• 12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 12:08Corinne Vien?

  To a T. And actually, this is something interesting that comes up in the podcast in one of the episodes. It's just like a very quick, like little tagline, but I thought it was so interesting. Parapsychology experiments often are far more rigid in following the scientific method than many other science experiments.

• 12:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because they know that immediately, right off the bat, just because it's titled and categorized under parapsychology, it is going to be criticized in a different way.

• 12:36Corinne Vien?

  Exactly. And yet it follows, like it is, this is like the proof. This is the proof.

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• 14:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she went in with a lot of skepticism, too. Like, she was like, this is fascinating, but I want to, like, review everything.

• 14:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, it wasn't a shoe-in that this was going to be her next project. It was just like, what is going on here?

• 14:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I want to explore it.

• 14:12Corinne Vien?

  Let's see if this is something I could maybe tinker with over the next couple of years.

• 14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 14:15Corinne Vien?

  So she goes in with a lot of skepticism.

• 14:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Immediately, she's like convinced. She reviewed like one or two tapes and she was like, oh, shit.

• 14:23Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. And so then Dr. Powell was like, well, we could do something together. Well, so the tapes, I should say what the tapes are for people that don't know. But essentially, what these experiments are that Dr. Diane Powell conducts, and so many other researchers now as well, is an experiment that is in an entirely controlled environment where you see if someone is actually telepathic by basically eliminating anything that could possibly be a clue or some sort of like body language reading. So one of the things that is often done in a study is- The person who is said to be telepathic, usually this nonverbal autistic person, will be placed in the room somewhere where they cannot see their parent or teacher,

• 15:08Corinne Vien?

  or whoever the the person is that they can read the mind of. And they will be wearing what is called a mindfold. It's basically this blindfold that is so incredibly thick, you cannot see anything. The teacher or the parent is put behind this partition. So there's no chance that the other person, if this blindfold suddenly somehow becomes see through, that they could possibly be clued into what the other person is seeing.

• 15:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's another thing that's so interesting about this is that it does. And again, I've only listened to two of the episodes, but from what I understood so far, it seems like the telepathy is between like, it's with one other person usually.

• 15:44Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 15:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does it expand?

• 15:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 15:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 15:47Corinne Vien?

  Okay. It is so crazy. So oftentimes, yes. So like the the category that is originally introduced is like, usually there's one person who the telepathic person can tap into. So it's usually like their mom.

• 15:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 15:58Corinne Vien?

  Or like their speech and language pathologist that they work with constantly. So that is kind of what it's thought to be. And oftentimes, what is the case for people? Because there is kind of like this varying level of expert or like

• 16:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Just connection.

• 16:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, connection. And so like, they almost have to practice it themselves and

• 16:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Corinne Vien?

  and tap into it. But yeah, it does expand. And a lot of people were like, well, I'm thinking that my child is telepathic because I'll be thinking like, oh, this is where I hid the candy. And then like that second, they'll come sprinting down the stairs and go and grab the candy. Or like something like that.

• 16:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 16:34Corinne Vien?

  That you'll you'll try to tell your child about a book that you read. And in the form of communication that maybe they do have, which is oftentimes is letterboard, which is essentially like a board with letters either punched out or just like placed where the person can tap on the letter and essentially slowly spell out everything that they're thinking, that they will already know the plot or something.

• 16:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, wasn't there also like the one example in episode one was a woman was reading a book, basically the way we're sitting. Say I had a book open. And their child, basically with their way of communicating, shared the words that she was looking at on the page.

• 17:10Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Or will ask questions about what's happening in the plotline or about certain characters.

• 17:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It blows my mind because it also like, and this is going to be a very conversational episode, just so you know.

• 17:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's such an interesting topic that does.

• 17:24Corinne Vien?

  This isn't a book report episode. This is like, holy shit, what did we just listen to?

• 17:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It opens up so much debate and conversation, but it reminds me of like the mentalists that like perform in Vegas and stuff.

• 17:35Corinne Vien?

  I do not understand that one guy that does all the like NFL thing. I can't.

• 17:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have no idea how it works.

• 17:40Corinne Vien?

  I think he taps into the collective consciousness. He has to.

• 17:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  All mentalists. It's wild.

• 17:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but back to the experiment. So someone will be blindfolded, the person who has telepathic abilities or thought to have telepathic abilities, which spoiler alert, they freaking do. And the other person is behind a partition. Then oftentimes there's some sort of randomly generated image, word, or number. And in some cases, they use fake word generators. So it's like, you can't even come up with this word yourself. It's not like, oh, this wild. My child art always knows that it's either banana, police, or telephone. Like, it's completely random.

• 18:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Corinne Vien?

  And with 95% accuracy, they will guess it. Guess it. They'll, they'll tell you what it is.

• 18:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's not guessing. They know. It reminds me of Stranger Things.

• 18:28Corinne Vien?

  A hundred percent. And that is one of the things that blew my mind through this whole series, which by the way, entire time I was listening, I was either full body chills or I was bawling my eyes out. I cried so much.

• 18:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Doesn't this make you, okay, like, there's a part of me that's like, well, we should employ these telepathic humans in like criminal cases.

• 18:48Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Okay, we'll get to some of this. Don't let me forget some of this. But I will say, like, one spoiler alert thing is at the very end in the last episode, Kai talks about how she's working with Dr. Diane Powell and some other groups and organizations to try to create some sort of facility where these people have access to people that can help them do certain things like this. Primarily, almost all of these kids and a lot of times now, adults have only been taught up to the elementary level because they have been deemed as non-competent, that they're not in there. They have to, you have to keep showing them the shapes and the colors. It's so completely wrong. It's also fucked up.

• 19:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Well, also, I mean, not to go on a tangent too much, but like, I think it comments on education generally. Like, our education system is so, there's like one path.

• 19:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But people learn so differently that it should be more accessible and there should be different ways of learning.

• 19:48Corinne Vien?

  It was actually really upsetting to me when I was in college and studying psychology. We were studying what is done in Japan and China and some of these schools that are really kind of like flipping curriculum on its head and how kids are taught and how they're able to like connect with their body and move freely and come and go. And just like the way that a classroom is set up is just so, like, the Western world would look at that and be like, there's no fricking way that my child is ever gonna learn. Like, how would they learn if they're just like running laps around the school?

• 20:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 20:17Corinne Vien?

  And you can't choose what you think is right for someone and not be right. And that is something that is happening a lot with these people who have non-verbal autism is there's this huge disconnect between having control over their physical body and their consciousness, which is like totally tapped into this other plane, this other dimension. And it is absolutely incredible.

• 20:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 20:37Corinne Vien?

  So basically, Kai, her first introduction in person is with this woman named Maria. Maria's family got connected with Dr. Powell because Maria's 12-year-old cousin, Sophia, reached out from Mexico and was like, hey, we're pretty sure that my cousin, who is non-verbal autistic, can read my aunt's mind, can read her mom's mind.

• 20:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 21:00Corinne Vien?

  And they only found this out because during COVID, Maria was given an iPad and she typed out, I can read your mind. And so then they were like, what? And they started doing all these tests and like 100% of the time she was boom, boom, boom, getting it right. So wild. Kai is like, okay, I'm more than just the observer here. I need to have some control over this experiment because they need to know that this is true. And this is, this is now like a documentary. Right. And so she has Maria's family fly from Mexico and she has Dr. Powell fly down from her home in the Pacific Northwest and Kai rents a house in Glendale, California. She does everything. She shops for the mindfold, all of the products, everything, make sure that it's not tinkered with.

• 21:42Corinne Vien?

  She employs some of her friends that are like within the documentary space. Yeah. To come film. They have a five camera shot. They do like 360 views. They cover all of the mirrors, anything reflective. The people that are actually like employed to help here are some of the biggest skeptics ever. Like Kai said that her cameraman, she was so excited for him to be a part of this because he like, you could say like, oh, the, the sky is pink. And he's like, actually it's blue and here's why it's blue. Like it was just like so like this is the way the world is and there's no in between. Yeah. Um, when it came to like anything like that. So she was excited to have a huge skeptic. And then she had another friend who was an animator be there to kind of be like the translator for Maria and Maria's family because only Sophia spoke English in that family.

• 22:26Corinne Vien?

  And so she was getting 100% accurate responses or like quote unquote guesses. And so then they gave her another test and this is one of the tests that I think is just like so incredibly wild. Oh my gosh, let me say, I keep calling her Maria. Her name is Mia. Mia. Mia, sorry. Mia, Mia, Mia, Mia. Mia. Mia. I can't go back now because I've already said way too much. And so one of the tests they do is they have these popsicle sticks that have different colors and they're piled up color coordinated. And so Mia has the mindfold on and they hand her a colored popsicle stick and tell her to place it in the corresponding pile. So this is something that's like not mind draining her mom at all, right? Right. And 100% of the time she places it in the correct pile. And so they're like, what is going on here?

• 23:08Corinne Vien?

  And they're kind of flabbergasted too, because Mia, when she had started communicating on the iPad, she told her mom that not only could she read her mind. But that she, she can never remember not being able to. And her earliest memories are from inside the womb. And as proof, she started talking, communicating things that happened at doctor's appointments from when she was like three weeks old.

• 23:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 23:30Corinne Vien?

  So like, it made me think like, that she wasn't necessarily fully in her body when I was first listening to this, that she was almost like permanently actual projecting above watching her life. And so these memories didn't belong to her brain, but rather her consciousness.

• 23:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that's also such a bigger question of like reincarnation, right? Because it's like the age of a soul rather than the age of a human.

• 23:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like this soul has lived many lives and has a consciousness that it's almost like where most people get a reset button when they get reincarnated. These people are holding on to consciousness.

• 24:08Corinne Vien?

  They're halfway.

• 24:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:09Corinne Vien?

  They're not fully stepped into their bodies and they're not fully out of the, the actual realm.

• 24:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This brings up even more questions than answers.

• 24:16Corinne Vien?

  Oh, 100%. I won't tell you exactly what the answers are at the end, but the last two episodes are absolutely incredible because they talk about reincarnation, they talk about all of these different things that we're going to have questions about.

• 24:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Corinne Vien?

  And then the very last episode, the non-verbal autistic individuals who participated in the telepathy tapes.

• 24:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 24:36Corinne Vien?

  Come forward and they tell you what they want the message.

• 24:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  To be.

• 24:41Corinne Vien?

  To be, what you should know.

• 24:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:44Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so Mia is incredible, not Maria, Mia.

• 24:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mia.

• 24:48Corinne Vien?

  Mia is absolutely incredible. She's blowing everybody's minds. The skeptic behind the camera is like, what the fuck is going on? Everyone is just like, oh, my God.

• 24:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Corinne Vien?

  And so this is kind of like the first taste of things. And so they ask Mia how she's getting the popsicle sticks into the correct pile. They say, are you looking through your mom's eyes? Like, can you borrow your mom's sight? And she said, quote, "No, I can see everywhere."

• 25:12Corinne Vien?

  Chills. Chills.

• 25:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So she can see Area 51?

• 25:17Corinne Vien?

  Probably, yeah. I have so many questions for Kai, too. Like, oh, God. Okay, so then Kai's mind blown. And she's like, oh, my God, I need to know more. Dr. Powell was like, let me redirect you to someone else who's going to be kind of like a better suited duo for you to understand a little bit more about what we're accessing here.

• 25:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 25:36Corinne Vien?

  She sends them to, or sends Kai and her team to New Jersey to meet Akil and his mother, Manisha. Akil is able to say a few words, but primarily, he's very restricted in his language. And oftentimes, like, he has a blanket over him. He's not even in the same room. He's like, running around, going into different rooms, constantly trying to watch YouTube. Like, he's distracted.

• 25:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. He's a kid.

• 25:56Corinne Vien?

  Well, I think he's, he might be an adult.

• 25:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 25:59Corinne Vien?

  I think he's a young adult, but he's trying to live his life. And then here's Kai and her team trying to film him. And he is, he is receptive, and he does end up participating. So his language is, is very restricted, but he can read his mom's mind. And Manisha said the two couldn't do this. He could not read her mind until she one day decided, I'm done assuming that my son is not in there. I'm done assuming that he's not competent. Like, I'm going to assume and trust that he knows what's going on and that he is in there.

• 26:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 26:29Corinne Vien?

  And then it was like, boom, he had access to her. So it was.

• 26:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was like a new form of trust developed between the two of them.

• 26:35Corinne Vien?

  And this is one of the things that it keeps coming back to is like, there's a lot of talk in the autism community about when, when people with autism, how easy sometimes it is for their bodies to like, kind of dysregulate and for them to have trouble kind of like coming back into themselves. And so their surroundings, their environment, their setting sometimes has to look really different than sort of like this neurotypical person. But it all comes back to, time and time again, throughout the series, like, love and complete trust and understanding and just like that openness to accept something.

• 27:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 27:02Corinne Vien?

  And that is what gives.

• 27:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's pure connection.

• 27:04Corinne Vien?

  It, it is. And so Manisha said something that is also super fascinating. She said that Akil could not see his body, that he did not know he had one. And when his mind tries to speak to his body, it's like basically disconnected. So this was kind of like an explanation for why so many kids and young adults who are starting to use letter boards need physical touch. So this is something that discredits a lot, or like people try to discredit communication from nonverbal autistics who are using letter boards, because oftentimes their wrist has to be held. And so people are like, well, that's not this person. That is whoever is like holding their wrist, that is them. It's almost like using a pendulum where it's like-

• 27:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or like a Ouija board where you like move it to your-

• 27:47Corinne Vien?

  Are you moving it around?

• 27:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 27:48Corinne Vien?

  But what Manisha said is so interesting because it's insinuating that a lot of times there's not this memory that you even have a body. And so it's like, if you don't even know that you have a body, how are you supposed to access, remember your arm or access your hand?

• 28:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. You need like an energy source.

• 28:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, by touching it, it's like suddenly like, oh my gosh, wait, here's my hand.

• 28:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I can feel it.

• 28:07Corinne Vien?

  Now I can use it.

• 28:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, this makes me wonder, where does the consciousness live? That like, I feel like that's the question-

• 28:13Corinne Vien?

  Totally, yeah.

• 28:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of all of this.

• 28:15Corinne Vien?

  He said all of his thoughts are in his consciousness, that it's totally separate from his brain and body. And Manisha said that they don't communicate telepathically. She says telepathy is not the right word for this. She said it's shared consciousness. So it's tapping into, I'm like stumbling over this and stuttering because they like literally talk about what is like a simulation and kind of like a matrix and kind of theorizing about all of that stuff, too.

• 28:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have they ever done, like in the podcast, did they do any testing to see what parts of the brain were activated when telepathy was being used?

• 28:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and I don't know what parts of the brain were necessarily activated, but for most individuals, because they were doing different EEGs on, on these people. And for most of them, their brain was lighting up when using telepathy. But there was one individual whose brain never lit up because he was just always constantly in a state of telepathy and just constantly accessed it. Could access everyone, could access the plane, could access beings and angels and gods and all these different things that we're going to learn about, like massive libraries in the sky that teach you things, classes in the astral plane, taught by some of the greatest minds that once lived and walked on planet Earth. Oh my God, it's fucking insane.

• 29:34Corinne Vien?

  It's so cool. You have to finish this. I'm dying over this. I'm not gonna be able to function for like a year. Wow. Also, they're, they're gonna make an actual documentary. They should. I mean, because they filmed all of it. Yeah. And there's gonna be a season two, which will dive into beyond just like telepathy and talk about some of the other things like bilocation and other kind of like superpowers, basically, that these people can do and have access to. Oh, my gosh.

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• 31:18Corinne Vien?

  Okay, so it's basically like the shared communication. She says it's beyond reading someone's mind. Many of the individuals know things before.

• 31:27Corinne Vien?

  It's possible to know them. So it's almost like clairvoyance and, and reading the future and stuff like that.

• 31:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 31:33Corinne Vien?

  Predicting when an event is going to happen, knowing when an event is happening. They said it's almost like they're picking up on some sort of frequency. And that's one of the things that was also tested. So it was like, oh, are they like almost tuning into these wavelengths that we can't read or see? So they tested, not Kai, but other researchers tested radio waves and electromagnetic waves to see if telepathy could still exist when those were completely blocked.

• 32:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 32:01Corinne Vien?

  And it could. So they were like, okay, so they're not tapping into anything like that. And so they have no idea how they're accessing it.

• 32:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, but my question about that is like, aren't there waves and stuff that we don't know and don't have access to and like, couldn't like?

• 32:13Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, quantum entanglement.

• 32:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is that what it is?

• 32:15Corinne Vien?

  Invisible string theory, all that.

• 32:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Corinne Vien?

  Now, now that's basically the working theory is like, we don't know. We know that certain like particles and stuff can quantum entangle, but can people and minds?

• 32:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You sound so smart when you say quantum entangle.

• 32:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm like, okay, nerd.

• 32:31Corinne Vien?

  This did make me feel really nerdy though.

• 32:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, well, yeah, of course.

• 32:35Corinne Vien?

  Also, these people can see dead people.

• 32:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of course.

• 32:37Corinne Vien?

  They have access to the spirit realm.

• 32:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 32:40Corinne Vien?

  To the astral plane. And it's just like some sort of collective consciousness.

• 32:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're everywhere.

• 32:45Corinne Vien?

  They're everywhere. It, this whole thing too is so crazy because another thing that does come up in the last two episodes, which I'm not going to like really talk much about. But one of the things that does come up is basically that we're, we're living all of our lives all at once. And it, we're literally living everything everywhere all at once.

• 33:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause time is a construct.

• 33:04Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 33:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:05Corinne Vien?

  And it's so crazy too, because I feel like there was so much talk about like downloads and how kind of sometimes like a neurotypical individual might talk about having suddenly like a download. Like, one of the things that was referenced with J K Rowling saying, all of the plot of Harry Potter just suddenly entered her brain when she was on a train, that she didn't really have to think about it. It just was there.

• 33:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:25Corinne Vien?

  And that was someone who we, we think of as being like neurotypical. And so it was like, all this talk about kind of like what that is and the kind of collective state and how information can be. Like actively chosen to be given to someone.

• 33:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, because I feel like if I'm in a really deep like writing session, I do feel like it's not me writing, like I'm gone.

• 33:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm just a vessel, like.

• 33:50Corinne Vien?

  100%.

• 33:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's sometimes scary for me to get into that place because coming out of it is like very disorienting.

• 33:57Corinne Vien?

  Like down a dark hall.

• 33:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, because you're entering this meditative state. It's exactly, this makes so much sense why there are communities amongst who never speak and yet they do because they are commute, they have accessed this vibration because it all comes back to energy. And one of the things that's so interesting was that there was this one kid, Houston, I think Houston might have been like 17 years old and his mom Kate, and they're a big, big duo that kind of is like the thread throughout the whole entire series.

• 34:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 34:25Corinne Vien?

  But Kate had been given some crystals and she obviously like she knew Houston could read her mind.

• 34:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Corinne Vien?

  Well, she only found out actually like later in life. When he was 17, she started using a letter board with him and then it all kind of like started to.

• 34:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Come together.

• 34:41Corinne Vien?

  Come together.

• 34:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like he was probably doing it already, but she didn't realize it. Yeah.

• 34:45Corinne Vien?

  Yes, but she had been given some crystals and she found Houston with the crystals, which of course like he could read her mind. He knew where the crystals were.

• 34:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 34:52Corinne Vien?

  And he was just like so entranced by them and she was like, what's going on? And he said, quote, "When you're autistic, you're a magnet for all energy, good and bad. These stones have good energy. I need more good energy."

• 35:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 35:02Corinne Vien?

  "All living things I see and hear, that includes stones, plants, animals, trees, like all of it."

• 35:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because everything has a vibration.

• 35:14Corinne Vien?

  Yes. And it also made me feel less crazy for having my one tree friend when I was.

• 35:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You are so far from crazy.

• 35:22Corinne Vien?

  This is also one of the things that comes up where it's like, they say that every single person in this category.

• 35:29Corinne Vien?

  Is telepathic. So even if you, like, if you have a child who has autism and they're six years old, they're nonverbal, you've never used a letter board, like, none of that. Guess what? They're communicating. They're reading your mind. Like, this is just 100% of people can do this. They also said the people who are autistic and telepathic is not even the right word. Like, what do you, how do you even describe what they're doing?

• 35:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're the universe.

• 35:51Corinne Vien?

  They are the universe, literally. But they said that everyone is actually born with this thread, this ability.

• 35:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Corinne Vien?

  But that for so many of us, different experiences, different teachings, different things continue to disconnect us from that.

• 36:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 36:04Corinne Vien?

  And we're basically, like, shoved deeper and deeper into our external, like, physical body.

• 36:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Like, I almost wonder if we all, like, I think advancements in civilization have almost sent us backwards as humans in the way that we can develop.

• 36:20Corinne Vien?

  They talk about this, yeah.

• 36:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But if we could, if we all went back to a time where we were living off the land, in woods, and like, had no connection to the internet or different things, like, we would probably develop in such different ways.

• 36:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 36:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That our brains, we'd have to depend on our brains a lot more.

• 36:36Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or our consciousness, I guess, if you, yeah.

• 36:39Corinne Vien?

  That's an interesting thing that you say, because when one of the participating individuals is asked, what is, like, something that you want, or what do you need? They said that it would be great to have a kind of, like, neutral space, preferably outdoors, with nothing interfering, no television, no music, like, nothing, for them to be able to tap in and access and learn and be one, essentially. Also with this energy work, there's a lot of conversation coming from these autistic individuals, talking about how they're healers, too. Like, they can heal. It's this group of individuals that, like, there's so many examples of them having family members who have cancer or something, and none of the treatments worked, and then suddenly they're working, they're, like, one-on-one with this

• 37:23Corinne Vien?

  nonverbal autistic family member who just suddenly is tapping in and curing them.

• 37:30Corinne Vien?

  And they were saying themselves, they're like, you know, as people with autism, we get sent through so many different medical hoops and wringers and we're constantly giving all these medications and things that are like damaging our bodies. They're like, we are constantly working energetically to heal ourselves. Like that is why we continue for so long. Like that is why we like can exist in health. It's not your medications. We're working against that. We are using tuning forks and crystals and and water and accessing things to help us help ourselves.

• 37:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Well, this is now like, I feel like this is such a trippy conversation.

• 38:02Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 38:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because like now I'm like.

• 38:04Corinne Vien?

  We should have smoked before this.

• 38:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We don't even need to.

• 38:07Corinne Vien?

  I'm allergic to weed. I couldn't.

• 38:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like, I'm so curious, why do we even need our bodies?

• 38:15Corinne Vien?

  Yes. Okay. That is such a good question. And I hope that that is answered in season two. And maybe if we ever get the opportunity to talk to Kai, we can ask that. But they were saying that essentially our, like, this is almost like an experiment. Like, we do kind of live in some sort of simulation that we were all, this is where it kind of gets religious, where it's really interesting is they all talk about heaven and they talk about God and angels. Some of them use different words for it, but basically it's like this collective, like consciousness, that there was some sort of creation and that there is some sort of simulation thing.

• 38:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 38:45Corinne Vien?

  And that we're sent into our bodies. It's so, it's crazy because it's like a mix of like Judaism and Hinduism and Buddhism. And it's like all of these things that like, everyone kind of got a little bit of it right.

• 38:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 38:55Corinne Vien?

  And all kind of circles back up, but they were saying that we're in our bodies to basically generate information and try to generate as much information and learnings as possible. And all of that is like shot back up into this ether and collected. And that's kind of like this library that some, some people can access the all knowings of the universe. Not everyone, but some of them can go there and learn.

• 39:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Now it's like, there is another existence beyond living in a human body, which we have always agreed upon, but I think conceptualizing it in this way is almost so different because we are so used to identifying with our bodies.

• 39:34Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm.

• 39:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And our brains. But it's all fake.

• 39:38Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it is. There's like layers to it, too.

• 39:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:40Corinne Vien?

  Because like, they're talking about things that we could only dream of accessing. And yet they're referencing other like universes beyond it. Like that they have access to what is just here.

• 39:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Well, because then that's also what a question I've always had is like, I don't necessarily believe that my consciousness and my soul is going to be the same exact soul that moves on to the next life or was in the past life. Like, I almost feel like I either let go of some parts of the energy I had in a past life and collected some new ones.

• 40:12Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 40:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And like, we're all a small piece of something much bigger.

• 40:18Corinne Vien?

  Well, that's also kind of what the collective consciousness almost, and we've talked about this too, where it's like, is there just one being and we're all, all of the quote unquote souls are just like split fragmented pieces.

• 40:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 40:28Corinne Vien?

  Of this one energy that is trying to live and experience everything all at once.

• 40:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is so trippy.

• 40:33Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And also it made me think too, because initially, I don't think this anymore, but initially, when I was first listening to the first couple of episodes, I was like, are these people who are, it was before I realized that there are plenty of nonverbal individuals who can actually access like anyone's mind if they want. But when I was just thinking it was a one on one sort of situation, I was like, oh my gosh, I wonder if this is the same soul and there's just kind of pieces and they're like living together, kind of like.

• 40:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 40:57Corinne Vien?

  Connected. But I don't think that anymore. So one of the things that's so interesting, too, is I feel like somehow we have, and I think this is where I was trying to go with the Harry Potter reference, and then I got lost because there's so much going on.

• 41:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I probably helped you get lost there. Yeah.

• 41:11Corinne Vien?

  But this whole time that I was listening to it, every time something was said, I was like, oh my gosh, that's the plot of Inception. That's the plot of Interstellar. Like, there's so many different movies and things that we've seen and stories that we've seen that it's just like, this is exactly what is being explained here.

• 41:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Matrix.

• 41:25Corinne Vien?

  That I was like.

• 41:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Corinne Vien?

  I'm so curious now, the people that came up with those ideas, if they also were like quote unquote downloads.

• 41:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. I mean, Severance is almost like that, too, where.

• 41:36Corinne Vien?

  You're in your Audi.

• 41:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You're in your Audi. Like, it's this idea that we can have split. Connections and consciousnesses.

• 41:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. One of the things that I thought was incredible was that there was one particular person in this series who did not telepathically communicate by like letterboard. Or anything, I guess, like in the conscious waking state, they communicated through dreams. They would force.

• 42:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They were a dreamwalker.

• 42:05Corinne Vien?

  They were a dreamwalker. They would force people into lucid dreaming. So everyone that this happened to, like their parents, relatives, friends, like it could be anyone.

• 42:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 42:13Corinne Vien?

  An uncle could get a visit from this individual. Of course, I didn't write down his name and I feel so, so bad. But he basically would show up in a dream and show them something, like in inception where it's like they have the little.

• 42:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The spinning top. Yeah.

• 42:26Corinne Vien?

  He would show them something and like basically like force them to like recognize like, hey, wake up a little bit, like go up a level in your dream. And then when they would eventually like shoot up into this lucid dreaming state, then he'd be like, I really need more Reese's cups. They hurt my stomach, but I like them. He would just be able to tell all of his needs and his wants. And that is how he always communicated.

• 42:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like you said this in the beginning, but we truly are the ones who are disabled.

• 42:51Corinne Vien?

  100%. And they, they do talk about that on the podcast where it's like, how dare we say that someone has a disability when like we are.

• 42:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're the suckers.

• 43:00Corinne Vien?

  Like what?

• 43:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're the suckers.

• 43:02Corinne Vien?

  We're meat suits.

• 43:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, literally.

• 43:04Corinne Vien?

  We barely have consciousness, I think.

• 43:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, we're zombies.

• 43:07Corinne Vien?

  But if it makes you feel better, they do say that when we enter deep sleep and when the brain is basically like measured at having its like lowest frequency and like lowest activity.

• 43:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Corinne Vien?

  We are actually accessing what they can access all the time.

• 43:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will say, I've always said this about myself. My number one ability is sleeping. So.

• 43:25Corinne Vien?

  So you're probably accessing it a lot more than you realize.

• 43:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wish I could be sleeping all the time. Someone also, I can't remember where I heard this, but there was a, basically someone talking about how sleep is practice for death.

• 43:37Corinne Vien?

  Oh, interesting.

• 43:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And how every night when we're, we sleep, it's like a little like tease of death. And I loved that because I was like, now every night when I go to bed, I'm gonna say goodnight. I'm going to die now.

• 43:49Corinne Vien?

  No, because well then you manifest things.

• 43:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Temporarily.

• 43:52Corinne Vien?

  Okay, don't do that because this is another thing that is brought up in here where it's like the idea that we can manifest. That things, it's the everywhere, everything all at once, that like these people are accessing so much. But that you can also materialize and like manifest and create in your waking life.

• 44:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 44:11Corinne Vien?

  This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. So I've been binging reality TV shows and I feel like a lot of the things that are discussed is people's red flags. But I think maybe we should be looking more for what are the green flags in friends and partners and take that into real life in our conversations. And if you're not sure what that looks like, therapy can help you identify the green flags, actively practice them in your relationships, and embody the green flag energy yourself. So whether you're dating, married, building a relationship, or just working on yourself, it's time to form relationships that love you back. Sabrina and I are big fans of therapy. I started using BetterHelp back in 2020. Sabrina has been using it consistently for many, many, many years. And it really just

• 44:52Corinne Vien?

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• 45:34Corinne Vien?

  above them. And they were like, is this his aura? And after being able to eventually like communicate through letter board or whatever, he basically said like that that was his light body and that a part of why she was there was she needed to help him connect his physical body, his meat suit with Right. his consciousness. Like they're not connected. They're not connected and bring it back down. That is so wild. Yeah, this recurring theme throughout the whole series. It's just so, so crazy. And then another thing that is so crazy is that there have been people who are getting communicated with telepathically, like getting their minds read by these people that can suddenly, because they're doing it so often, it's oftentimes teachers and speech and language

• 46:16Corinne Vien?

  pathologists, occupational therapists, because they're spending so much time with these people and entering such like a kind of relaxed and fluid, like almost brainless state where they're like going through the actions and not thinking much about it, that they have started to communicate back. There are certain individuals that when they get into this meditative state, they can telepathically communicate back and forth.

• 46:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's possible.

• 46:40Corinne Vien?

  With their students.

• 46:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So it's, that's the other thing is like, I think what's amazing about this is now it's opening a door for us to learn more about this, that maybe 10 to 15 years from now, everyone will have the knowledge or ability to start to tap into that. And instead of going to SoulCycle, we'll be going to Soul Connection.

• 47:01Corinne Vien?

  Soul Connection, baby. Yes, 100%. My mind is like reeling, but oh my gosh, there was another story of this teacher, and honestly, it might have been the same person. I can't remember. There are so many people interviewed because there's so, so many examples.

• 47:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 47:15Corinne Vien?

  There was another teacher who said that they basically were like opening themselves up and was like, okay, class, like, I'm here, teach me. I want to connect. I want to know how to do this.

• 47:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 47:23Corinne Vien?

  And she said that she was helping a student one day with some work and she could feel behind her. She said it was like this tingling and she just knew that one particular student, without seeing him, she just like knew that he was there and he was trying to like get into her brain. And so she said like, hold on one minute, I'll help you in a second. And like called him out by name and that another student who had more language in the class yelled, yes, it's working. You're doing it. And the whole class started clapping because they were all trying so hard to tap in and like get her open.

• 47:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And she literally felt him.

• 47:58Corinne Vien?

  And she felt him. And so they were all collectively working and talking to each other and like, oh, okay, that's another piece.

• 48:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm sad.

• 48:06Corinne Vien?

  So it goes so far beyond this sort of telepathic, like mind reading communication. Across the world, families who are completely disconnected, who've never heard from each other, all have kids, family members, who talk about going to the Hill. There is a place that is in some sort of dimension. They almost describe it like this matrix. They call it the Hill because it's like a hill for all of them to like join and share their thoughts and like kind of like build up friendships and stuff. They all travel, some of them when they're asleep, some of them in a meditative state, some of them when they're just awake, they all travel to this place and talk. It's like going on AIM with all of their friends.

• 48:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But in the universe?

• 48:47Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 48:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the consciousness.

• 48:48Corinne Vien?

  And so they'll have best friends that are from Norway, when they live in Texas, like they all chat.

• 48:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, this is also like the internet is a replica of consciousness.

• 48:58Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 48:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. So like, do they talk about how do they see each other? Like if they were to then meet each other in person or like? Say they were, they meet at the hill and they're talking and they form these friendships with people. Would they then recognize that person in real life? Or do they show up?

• 49:15Corinne Vien?

  I don't know if it's the same for everyone, but I do know one person said that it's energy. That it's just like they feel the energy of someone. Cause they said that they're not there in like a physical body. So I don't know if they appear as a physical body. A lot of these people have some sort of synesthesia too. So they might honestly just like see the energies as different colors or numbers or like something like that. Yeah. Or like music notes or, or something. It's, it's just so beyond.

• 49:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are incapable of even conceptualizing that or understanding it because we are disabled. We're limited and not able to actually.

• 49:45Corinne Vien?

  No, we can't do, but like we can't, we have the access. We have the opportunity, which I guess is maybe one of the distinguishing things.

• 49:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've been programmed by society.

• 49:54Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That has prevented us from actually right now, being able to access it like that.

• 49:59Corinne Vien?

  I texted my old coworker, the one that does all of the energy work. And I was like, I thought of you so much during this podcast because it talks about going to these places. And communicating with other souls and like helping other people and chatting with other, like people in their sort of like soul and consciousness state. And I was like, it just made me think of all the work that you do to kind of like bring fragmented pieces of, of souls back to their physical body.

• 50:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Has she listened to it?

• 50:24Corinne Vien?

  No, she hadn't.

• 50:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 50:26Corinne Vien?

  I was like, you have to listen.

• 50:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause I'm curious if she understands the hill.

• 50:29Corinne Vien?

  I know. That's what I really, cause it also made me think of the movie Soul where they all go to like that one field. And that's where they all collect when they're like meditating and going up, up there. But yeah, no, I, I messaged her and then you know what she told me?

• 50:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What?

• 50:40Corinne Vien?

  She, uh, left the job and she's like focusing a lot on energy work right now. So I was like, oh my God. Yeah. Which made me think too, cause she's super connected and super in tune. It made me think like if she knew I was gonna text her.

• 50:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Probably.

• 50:54Corinne Vien?

  Probably. Yeah. Yeah. So the hill is like this incredible place where they all connect and the hill is beyond just having, so like some of these people have flourishing social relationships.

• 51:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:06Corinne Vien?

  Beyond what many of us do because they, they go to the hill. It's just not something that in their like physical.

• 51:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 51:11Corinne Vien?

  Form they can go explore the world like we do, unfortunately, because of how we set up the world for them.

• 51:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But this again is proof to me that as beings or energy, we need connection. And they are not able to have connection the same way we are. And so they found a way to still do it.

• 51:31Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 51:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In a way that is way more advanced than how we're experiencing.

• 51:33Corinne Vien?

  Totally. And it's so advanced that there have been some autistic people in this podcast that had language.

• 51:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Corinne Vien?

  And eventually, over years, decided to become nonverbal because it's just such a kind of like barbaric.

• 51:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 51:49Corinne Vien?

  Gross way to communicate when telepathy is so much more.

• 51:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that makes me wonder if like, early day iterations of humans who were nonverbal, like cavemen, if they were able to communicate like that.

• 52:06Corinne Vien?

  Probably, because also, there's an entire episode that talks about kind of like, the trees and the animals and all this sort of thing, and people even connecting to their pets. And it's just like, it's one of those things where I kind of thought this for a long time. I always thought about it when I was thinking of deer. I was like, my whole life, I've thought deer are telepathic.

• 52:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 52:23Corinne Vien?

  And I'm like, this episode and this podcast made me think, yes, because it was like, okay, there's so much communication vocally between animals.

• 52:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 52:30Corinne Vien?

  But there is basically like, so much more.

• 52:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 52:33Corinne Vien?

  And it makes so much sense, because it's like, there's all these mysteries when it comes to the animal kingdom, where it's like, how come eels from anywhere in the world all travel back to the Bermuda Triangle? Why do they know to go there all at the same time? How are these fungi talking to each other?

• 52:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eels literally have come from a different universe.

• 52:51Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Than the Bermuda Triangle is where they are popping out.

• 52:54Corinne Vien?

  Right. But like, there's.

• 52:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because don't they not know how eels are conceived?

• 52:58Corinne Vien?

  No, they don't. They just know that they all go to the Bermuda Triangle and baby eels come out.

• 53:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They're conceived through a portal.

• 53:03Corinne Vien?

  Something's happening there. But it's like, there's so many examples of that, of like, different ant species, different fungi, that like, all of them are all doing the same thing, all at the same time.

• 53:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Corinne Vien?

  And are disconnected by thousands and thousands of miles. And scientists cannot understand how it's happening, but it's this collective consciousness that they're tapping into.

• 53:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, bees, they know where the queen is.

• 53:22Corinne Vien?

  It's just so frustrating because I feel like humans think.

• 53:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're all that.

• 53:26Corinne Vien?

  It's like elephants and orcas and stuff that like go back and like, they know that it's like August 12th and that they need to go like more in their loved one or whatever. Like they know all of this stuff and there's so much communication. And it's just frustrating because I feel like we humans, it's almost like we're the joke.

• 53:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause we are, because we think we're the smartest.

• 53:42Corinne Vien?

  We're actually the least.

• 53:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're the dumbest.

• 53:44Corinne Vien?

  We're the dumbest of all the species.

• 53:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Idiots. And also like, we can understand each other, the same way animals can understand each other. But they probably can understand us and we can't understand them. So we're disadvantaged.

• 53:56Corinne Vien?

  Well, and I thought about, a lot about wrinkles during the pet episode because he was talking about kind of like the pets just tapping in and understanding.

• 54:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There's a pet episode of telepathy tapes?

• 54:05Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Well, it's like animal episode, basically. But yeah, they talk about like certain owners and their pets.

• 54:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My listener story is about a pet.

• 54:12Corinne Vien?

  Okay. Oh, I'm so excited. But yeah, no, I thought about wrinkles a little bit because there were so many times where like my family would joke like, he is a human or that he can understand English, that he's like perfectly fluent in English. Cause we talk about like certain things that are like more conceptual and yet he would respond in a very knowing and confirming way. And we're like, what in the hell just happened?

• 54:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 54:33Corinne Vien?

  There were so many moments like that where like, oh, he's actually listening to our conversation.

• 54:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 54:37Corinne Vien?

  And he understands.

• 54:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 54:39Corinne Vien?

  Okay. But the hill is like this access point that sometimes the people who have opened themselves up that are teachers, that are like typical neurotypical people.

• 54:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 54:49Corinne Vien?

  On occasion through dreams or through like intense meditation, sometimes they get glimpses of the hill. And the hill has also been this incredible place because normally there's just, it's not like completely hugely populated, but there was one specific time where one of the parents were like, oh, well, you spent a lot of time in your space today. Like how many people were on the hill? And they said, thousands. And I'm like, are there normally that many? And they said, no, but everyone's really excited about the telepathy tapes. Everyone's really excited about the documentary that's coming out. We think that this is really going to change the world for us. So it was like, because one or two of them knew, it was put out and

• 55:29Corinne Vien?

  a web. They all were told, hey, this is happening. We're finally getting access or we're finally getting access to what they know.

• 55:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There are guides.

• 55:39Corinne Vien?

  Yes. But they also talk about like angels and all of these different beings and they literally attend school there and they have so much access to all of these things. And there is a death that happens in the series. And they talk about like, kind of like the effect of that death and what happens to that person.

• 55:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:56Corinne Vien?

  And it's so interesting because it's like they mourn that person's death in terms of their easy access to that person.

• 56:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm.

• 56:04Corinne Vien?

  Yet they can still access them and still feel their energy and still sometimes communicate and see them in the hill and in this other space. So it's like they get a little bit less access.

• 56:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 56:14Corinne Vien?

  But they're still.

• 56:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But they're still there.

• 56:15Corinne Vien?

  There. Oh, my God. I could keep talking about this forever, but really people just need to listen to the telepathy tapes. It is absolutely incredible. It is just.

• 56:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It really is incredible.

• 56:26Corinne Vien?

  It's perfectly timed.

• 56:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow.

• 56:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I feel simultaneously like so motivated and also depressed because, and we've always known this, like even talking about like the paranormal and like mediumship, I feel like you and I have had glimpses or we've touched that world, that world's touched us, however you want to view it, but we're not in control of it.

• 56:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And it makes me sad because I so desperately want, and I'm working on it. I'm opening myself up to it more, but like.

• 56:58Corinne Vien?

  Which is that, I mean, you're on your way then.

• 56:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And I really do believe leaving LA and moving here has helped a lot because LA was just so much busier.

• 57:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, there's so much noise.

• 57:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  There was more social events.

• 57:11Corinne Vien?

  I feel like there's so much more like energy noise there, too. Like I felt so suffocated. I know for some people, they feel really free there and like completely open up. But yeah, I felt very like suffocated, constrained. I could be in complete silence. I could be like hearing the ocean waves and absolutely nothing else.

• 57:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Even thinking about I'm feeling the anxiety right now as we're talking about it.

• 57:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you feel the weight.

• 57:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whereas here, I have no friends, except for you, so.

• 57:36Corinne Vien?

  That's not true.

• 57:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's naturally.

• 57:37Corinne Vien?

  You've made adult friends. I have not made adult friends out here.

• 57:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes, you did. You've made so many.

• 57:41Corinne Vien?

  Okay, but like in the corporate world.

• 57:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, not all of them, like.

• 57:45Corinne Vien?

  Name one. That's not.

• 57:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How'd you meet Allison?

• 57:47Corinne Vien?

  We worked together.

• 57:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 57:48Corinne Vien?

  I hired her.

• 57:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What about the Kelseys? Did you?

• 57:50Corinne Vien?

  High school.

• 57:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, high school. Okay, well, okay. But still, you've made friends here and you have friends here.

• 57:57Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But like, I think because there's less going on, I have a lot more quiet to be able to tap into that. Like, there's less noise and less distraction.

• 58:08Corinne Vien?

  Well, and to make you feel a little bit better, too, this is another thing that it's, well, two things. On the second season, Kai said that they're going to look at people who are quote unquote, like neurotypical, but have found ways, people that are like, you know, psychic, clairvoyant, clear whatever, have some sort of mediumship. But then also, there was a lot of talk from the autistics that participated in the telepathy tapes about how we are all like basically as a collective whole, moving our way towards that. Which is maybe, how do we access Kai? She needs to ask about Lan- Lanulos.

• 58:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 58:42Corinne Vien?

  Because now I'm like, is that part of the future? Or is that something that's happening on another plane or dimension? Like, is there truth?

• 58:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right. Because, well, then that's just a whole question about time in general. Because Lanulos, the way I understood it, almost felt like it was a group of humans at some point in our, whether it's future or past, who left Earth? Like, that's how it feels to me.

• 59:03Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And created a new civilization. And then time just like works differently.

• 59:08Corinne Vien?

  But also, what does it mean to leave Earth? We're thinking about it as physical bodies, but like, could it have just been this moment in time?

• 59:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 59:16Corinne Vien?

  Where we all kind of die all at the same time?

• 59:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 59:19Corinne Vien?

  It's the reckoning. And we're all kind of like sent up and we create and manifest from our own minds, this

• 59:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  New world.

• 59:26Corinne Vien?

  place, but we're still struggling and stumbling over how

• 59:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, that also makes me question if Earth is that iteration. Like, did we create that, like?

• 59:35Corinne Vien?

  Is this a version of?

• 59:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, we talk about universes infinite and endless, but like, is that just because we've created this?

• 59:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 59:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we don't have the like ability, like, we created an endless thing because, I don't know. I don't like, it's like hard to verbalize it.

• 59:52Corinne Vien?

  I know. So you're reminding me of, there's another piece when they were talking about like being able to access like ghosts, basically, and like spirits of loved ones and other people. They said that when people have alien encounters, when people have visits from angels and stuff, it's basically them tapping into people from this collective consciousness, like state that exists. It's just based on our worldviews and how we can perceive and digest what we just experienced. We assign a name to it. So basically like they're all the same. That was kind of like the thing where I was like, oh my gosh, I think we're getting closer. Cause I feel like we've talked a lot about like, are we all just one big thing?

• 1:00:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Blob.

• 1:00:29Corinne Vien?

  Living all at once, all the time.

• 1:00:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Corinne Vien?

  And are aliens the same as ghosts, the same as angels, the same as like?

• 1:00:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Humans is the same as everything.

• 1:00:36Corinne Vien?

  So that's where I was like, oh, I think we're getting a little bit close.

• 1:00:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:00:38Corinne Vien?

  Because that's essentially what they were saying.

• 1:00:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:00:41Corinne Vien?

  And I believe them. I trust them 100%.

• 1:00:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Me too. Damn.

• 1:00:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. The Telepathy Tapes by Kai Dickens.

• 1:00:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Incredible.

• 1:00:49Corinne Vien?

  Easy to find the podcast. It's the number one podcast out there.

• 1:00:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the number three right now is Corinne and Jake with Blink.

• 1:00:56Corinne Vien?

  How fucking crazy. I like, don't want to think about it. Cause I feel like I'm going to jinx it.

• 1:01:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's amazing. I'm so proud of you.

• 1:01:02Corinne Vien?

  Thank you. Jake's story is like so wild in terms of what happened to him medically and kind of interpersonal relationships. But I texted him last night after I finished the Telepathy Tapes and I was like, I cannot wait for this one episode to come out.

• 1:01:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:15Corinne Vien?

  That is pretty mind bending.

• 1:01:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay. Well, we could spend hours talking about this.

• 1:01:20Corinne Vien?

  100%. I'm like vibrating. My shoulders are up high.

• 1:01:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause I, and I also like, I'm curious for you, like I've done a lot of somatic work, which is like, understanding where you feel certain things in your body and then like assigning feelings and then trying to understand like where that feeling comes from. But I was just thinking like, when you think of your soul and where it lives in your body, do you have a feeling in your body like where yours is?

• 1:01:48Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Mine is like right here.

• 1:01:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting. Cause mine is right here. Like it's like above my heart and like in my like sacrum area.

• 1:01:55Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's not in my heart. And then I was like thinking about it because.

• 1:01:59Corinne Vien?

  Isn't that a weird feeling to feel like you exist below your eyes?

• 1:02:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 1:02:04Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 1:02:05Corinne Vien?

  Then I think that's why I think everyone's always taller than me. Well, but and also they are.

• 1:02:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you're shorter. But like, I'm curious if you can move it around. Clearly, you can.

• 1:02:17Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's really interesting, too, because there were people who were saying that they had a much easier time communicating when they got to use like crystals or tuning forks and having access to kind of like different vibrational patterns and sequences that the jived best with their bodies. And it made me think about Reiki and kind of like

• 1:02:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:02:36Corinne Vien?

  finding healing in the certain chakras and having that like attunement.

• 1:02:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:02:41Corinne Vien?

  But basically, another thing that came up was like that we, in terms of like medicine and diagnoses and illnesses, diseases, all of that, they were essentially saying like, we have the ability through energy work to actually heal all of that, that it doesn't have to be, which, yeah. And there, yeah, there was so many

• 1:03:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But it's like finding

• 1:03:01Corinne Vien?

  Egyptians and like all that.

• 1:03:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, of course. But then it's like, we are so, especially in the Western world, we're so, take drugs, take, you know, whatever things. But I'm also, I am pro medicine. Like, I'm fully medicated.

• 1:03:14Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And ill in the head. But like, I also do really believe that when it comes to like physical ailments and stuff, energy can heal it. But how do you find, in a world that is so westernized, how do you find an eastern or energy type of healer?

• 1:03:31Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because it's not covered by insurance.

• 1:03:33Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:03:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And

• 1:03:34Corinne Vien?

  Unfortunately, Blue Cross Blue Shield in Massachusetts won't let you just lay on a box of bees and absorb their vibration and cover it.

• 1:03:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's not as accessible.

• 1:03:41Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 1:03:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, but no, that's another thing that's basically like insinuated is that in the work that Kai and Dr. Diane Powell want to do with these people is like, also, how do you find opportunities for them to create these spaces where they can help others?

• 1:03:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:03:54Corinne Vien?

  If they so choose to do that? Because this is another

• 1:03:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But that's what Kai is doing right now. By even presenting this to the world and sharing their stories and their abilities, it's opening up so many more possibilities for them.

• 1:04:07Corinne Vien?

  It did make me slightly panicked, though, because of course, my mind always goes to like someone being taken advantage of. And I was like, oh, my God, I would hate us to get to a point where suddenly it's like, quote unquote, accepted, but like, some people don't accept it. And then it's suddenly like, oh, we're putting the monkey in the cage and they're forced to do something.

• 1:04:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like Stranger Things.

• 1:04:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When do you draw the line where it's like you have to respect them and their wishes? And like, because they are nonverbal in that way, like, they do almost need a interpreter. And I think what is nice-

• 1:04:38Corinne Vien?

  Interpreter or just like friggin protector?

• 1:04:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A protector, yeah, sure. But I think what is nice about the telepathy tapes is, from my understanding and the way that you're sharing it, like, all of these people who were talked to and spoken to for the documentary seem like they have such a beautiful support system.

• 1:04:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I think that's important.

• 1:04:55Corinne Vien?

  Oh, man. And these are some of the strongest people, too, because so many of them went years and years and years being completely isolated-

• 1:05:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Corinne Vien?

  Neglected-

• 1:05:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yep.

• 1:05:04Corinne Vien?

  Some of them before being adopted and-

• 1:05:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So sad.

• 1:05:07Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, and it's like, they live with the heaviest things and completely alone.

• 1:05:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But then they get to go to the hill.

• 1:05:13Corinne Vien?

  But then they get to go to the hill and they all support each other there. And it's this really, really beautiful thing.

• 1:05:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Corinne Vien?

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• 1:06:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I have a listener's story from Abby and their soulmate, Smudge,

• 1:06:45Corinne Vien?

  who is a little cat.

• 1:06:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ooh, Smudge, what a cute name. Hi, ladies and Leia. This story is too good not to tell. Well, at least I think it is. So before I get into it, I want to also share a quick past life story. So we got a double whammy here. I just listened to one of your earlier episodes from way back in 2020. I'm working from the ground up, where you read an encounter where someone remembered being a mermaid. And this brought back a memory for me.

• 1:07:09Corinne Vien?

  Whoa, a memory for me too. Cause I'm like, wait, I actually forgot about that one.

• 1:07:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. A few months ago, I decided to try a little past life regression, just to see what came up. I asked my mom about it too. My mom is extremely spiritually oriented and has thousands of stories to tell about angels, crystals speaking to her, and the universe giving her exactly what she asks for. Sounds like her mom is connected to the hill, not stuff.

• 1:07:33Corinne Vien?

  Wait, sorry to interrupt the story, but this just reminds me this morning, like Noah, when I talk to him normally, he's like very like just taking absorbing everything in. But after listening to the telepathy tapes, I whispered to him, I said, I know that you can read my mind. And I hope you never lose this ability. And I hope that one day I can read yours too. His eyes dazzled and lit up and he gave me the biggest gummy grim and he went,

• 1:07:57Corinne Vien?

  and I was like, oh my God.

• 1:07:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  He knows that you know.

• 1:07:59Corinne Vien?

  He knows I know.

• 1:08:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, keep nurturing that.

• 1:08:02Corinne Vien?

  I'm going to. Now I, I just need to read his mind. I'm sure he can read mine.

• 1:08:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I mean, I know you're probably ready to do this, but sit there and like stare at him for hours.

• 1:08:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:08:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, my mom told me the story when she did a past life regression therapy with a therapist and all, and she got it recorded. Turns out my mom was a mermaid in her past life.

• 1:08:20Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 1:08:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't listened to the recording yet, but if I do, I'll try to email over to you girls to listen to too. Uh, yes, please.

• 1:08:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Also, I'm not mad at you, but like, obviously we want to hear it.

• 1:08:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Well, she's like, I want to listen to it first before I send it to you, which makes sense.

• 1:08:35Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's fair. Or we can all do a little like zoom together, listen to it all at the same time. We'll intervene in your intimate moment with your mom's past life. As for me, I just remember being a native of some kind, which makes sense considering I had this dream for the longest time where I would live in a cabin in the woods in the middle of nowhere, and I was living off the land. And I still want that in this current life. So it's like she's

• 1:08:58Corinne Vien?

  tapping into what, yeah, her

• 1:08:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She's reminiscing on a past life.

• 1:09:01Corinne Vien?

  Desires, what feels best most at home.

• 1:09:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, on to my story. Content warning for eating disorder conversation. I got my cat almost a year ago now, and this was sent to us in 2023. So two years now. And he has been the love of my life ever since. But it all really started when I first saw him. When I first met Smudge, that's his name, I was actually going into the Humane Society to look at a completely different cat. And I wasn't planning on taking a cat home unless it was the one I saw online, who was a beautiful, black, long hair. Well, we got there and she was already adopted. So I wasn't gonna drive all the way to the Humane Society to not look at some cats. So we asked about another long-haired cat they had. And the lady asked, the bald one? The bald, long-haired cat?

• 1:09:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Turns up that he had come in all manged up and had to be completely shaved.

• 1:09:49Corinne Vien?

  Aww.

• 1:09:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The moment they brought the cat in the room, though, it's like he knew exactly who I was. He walked over, immediately sat on my lap and fell asleep. This would have been normal, except that my three other roommates were in the room with me, and he only gave them a look and only focused on me. Twenty minutes later, I walked out of there, a brand-new cat owner.

• 1:10:08Corinne Vien?

  Wow. This is like the cat distribution system to a whole new level. It's like they, they do choose you because they read your mind and they're like, ah, you're best suited for me.

• 1:10:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Listen, if you're like me and the cat distribution system has not chosen you, go to a shelter and just say, hey, can you like, let all the cats out, who let the cats out, in a room with me? And whichever cat comes up to me first is the one.

• 1:10:30Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, just the first one.

• 1:10:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, you create the cat distribution system for yourself. Smudge and I went through a lot together our first few months. Not only was he very sick with a cat flu of sorts and severely underweight, but he also had a urinary blockage that almost cost him his life and cost me $2,000. And at the same time, I was diagnosed with anorexia. Safe to say, we saved each other. I took care of him and nursed him back to health, while he made sure I ate and kept me from working out too much, usually by sitting on me. I definitely think there was something calling me to that humane society and who told me to ask if there were any other cats to see. Since then, Smudge now has more hair than he knows what to do with, and I have successfully conquered my eating disorder. We still are

• 1:11:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  extremely connected, though, in ways that are almost spiritual. If I'm hurt, he lays exactly where I'm hurting while in bed.

• 1:11:19Corinne Vien?

  He's an energy worker.

• 1:11:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mm-hmm. He's always coming to check up on where I am, even if it's the middle of the day and during his usual nap time. We even have conversations together, either out loud or telepathically, usually when he's staring at me or if I'm on my phone too much. It's almost like he's being like, "Get off your phone." He also came leash-trained and trained to sit on command. I know some of those things are probably cat things that most cats do, but I can't help to think that if something were to happen to me, Smudge would do everything in his power to help me, just as I would for him. It's hard to describe, but I don't just love him as my pet, I love him as an equal. I've included a picture of Smudge from when I first got him and a picture of him now, and a picture of my dog for Corinne. His name is Simon.

• 1:12:02Corinne Vien?

  Simon.

• 1:12:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Adopt, don't chop, and I'll see you on the other side, Abby and Smudge.

• 1:12:07Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:12:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we'll put the pictures in the video.

• 1:12:10Corinne Vien?

  100%. They're communicating with each other.

• 1:12:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  100%.

• 1:12:14Corinne Vien?

  And it's also, it's one of those things, too, where it's like, in the end, it all just goes back to like that love, and because they have such a like love for each other, they have the access to communicate like that.

• 1:12:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Absolutely.

• 1:12:25Corinne Vien?

  Wow.

• 1:12:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love Lea. I don't necessarily think she is my spirit cat. I think my spirit cat was my cat Blossom, who I had from a really young age, and she passed away in 2016. But like, she is the reason I love cats.

• 1:12:41Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Isn't it interesting, too, when you meet an animal and you just feel immediately like it's different?

• 1:12:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 1:12:48Corinne Vien?

  Like, when I was a dog walker, there was one dog, Grizz, and he and I were just like, like, I kept thinking, like, "Are you Wrinkles?" Because it was just immediately, like, he and I looked at each other and we're like, boom.

• 1:12:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And I think that's easier to develop with pets because they are so much more, they're like innocent, naive, like beautiful souls. But when I adopted Lea, I walked into the PetSmart, and there were probably like six cages, and like each cage probably had two kittens. Immediately upon walking in, I noticed her, and she was scared out of her, like terrified, sitting in the back of the cage with a little gray cat. The two of them were like in the very back. And I remember looking at her because, one, she's beautiful. But that was my first thought. And then the people at the adoption event kept pushing certain cats on me.

• 1:13:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 1:13:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  In the back of my mind, I was like, I really want to hold that one cat that I saw. And they kept pushing all these other cats on me. And I was just like, can I see her? And it was just like, the second I held her too, I was like, I'm adopting this cat.

• 1:13:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know if she was putting out this energy of like, take me home, like I belong to you.

• 1:13:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or what it was, but there was definitely an initial energy connection between her and I, when I adopted her.

• 1:13:56Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Or yeah, just that like, maybe you were tapping into something.

• 1:14:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Corinne Vien?

  And it was just like, she needs help.

• 1:14:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Corinne Vien?

  So you were the energy worker there.

• 1:14:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 1:14:04Corinne Vien?

  In a way.

• 1:14:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:14:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Corinne Vien?

  All I know is I'm not going to move forward in life the same that I did before listening to the telepathy tapes.

• 1:14:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I have a lot of work to do this week, but I think I'm gonna just do the bare minimum and finish the telepathy tapes.

• 1:14:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it is so good.

• 1:14:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Corinne Vien?

  It is so, so good.

• 1:14:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Actually, next week, I'm driving down to New Jersey, so I could just.

• 1:14:26Corinne Vien?

  Save it for the drive.

• 1:14:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have it.

• 1:14:27Corinne Vien?

  I mean, the driveway will fly by.

• 1:14:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. I like, will want to make my drive longer, so I could finish it.

• 1:14:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes, it's gonna be, you're gonna sit in the driveway of your mom's house in the car and just listening to the rest of it.

• 1:14:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. Damn. Wow. Incredible. Truly incredible.

• 1:14:43Corinne Vien?

  Great job, Dr. Diane Powell and Kai and all of the participants in the telepathy tapes. We are freaking hooked.

• 1:14:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Obsessed. Thank you, all of you for listening. If you have paranormal stories or connections to the hill, if you even know what the hill is, please email us any paranormal stories or just odd things that have happened.

• 1:15:02Corinne Vien?

  We need to search on our inbox for the hill.

• 1:15:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 1:15:05Corinne Vien?

  People dreaming of the hill.

• 1:15:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 1:15:07Corinne Vien?

  You'll, you'll find out if we find anything.

• 1:15:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll have a whole episode. We should do an encounters that's all about like telepathy, like similar to this story. Yeah. Coming soon to wherever you listen to our podcast, near you. Uh, but yes, email us at [email protected]. Also, if you ever have questions about like what we say, how to find us, where our Patreon is, links, emails, whatnot, it's always in the show notes. So open the show notes, the description and be like, oh, there it is. Oh, there it is.

• 1:15:33Corinne Vien?

  Oh, hello.

• 1:15:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I found you.

• 1:15:35Corinne Vien?

  Hello, words.

• 1:15:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's right in front of me.

• 1:15:37Corinne Vien?

  You can follow us on social. You can watch us on YouTube. We have Patreon where we have bonus episodes, full-length episodes. They're not these like special for Patreon.

• 1:15:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No.

• 1:15:45Corinne Vien?

  They're just regular ones that we only put on Patreon.

• 1:15:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:48Corinne Vien?

  We also have a book club over there.

• 1:15:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you so much to our editor and producer, Jamie, for editing our podcast and making it a more delightful experience for all of you who are listening and watching.

• 1:15:58Corinne Vien?

  And we will.

• 1:16:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  See you.

• 1:16:01Corinne Vien?

  On the other side.

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