#2391 - Duncan Trussell

Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comic, host of the "Duncan Trussell Family Hour" podcast, and voice of "Hippocampus" on the television series "Krapopolis."www.duncantrussell.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@duncantrussellfamilyhour Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/ROGAN to get 4 months free! Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Hello Duncan.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  Hello Joe. Hello.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Father, Father Trussell.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  Hello Father Rogan.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  Um, are we allowed to do this?

• 0:25Speaker 02

  What?

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  This religion you can kinda goof on a little bit.

• 0:28Speaker 02

  Catholicism?

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  Uh...

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  They get testy.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  I don't, you know, having now gone to more than a few Catholic masses, which are beautiful, and hung out with Catholics, who are awesome, I've really had to reconfigure everything I used to think about it, because they're just really sweet. Had a long conversation with a priest, brilliant dude, totally like, non-judgmental, kinda intellectual, you know, philosophical, like right away, I'm like, "Oh, I should have this guy on my podcast."

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't, it's not what, it's the, you know, I feel like the Christianity that most people are angry at, is not even Christianity.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  You know what I think it's like?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Like saying that you're a liberal person, cuz I'm pretty liberal and you're pretty liberal.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  In the greater spectrum, but then you get lumped in with Antifa.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  That's the part-

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  Then you get lumped in with, you know, whatever, crazy LBGT issue of the day.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, well, and even Antifa doesn't wanna be called liberal. Did you know that?

• 1:37Joe Rogan?

  What do they know?

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Well, Antifa is anti-capitalist, and that is not liberal. So, there's a, that's the problem, it's like the terms are really muddy right now. So, when you're looking at like, Portland, um-

• 1:52Speaker 02

  The protesters in Portland.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what exactly is going on in Portland? I'm trying not to pay attention.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Oh, well, what's happened is.

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  I know they've brought in the National Guard. Is that happening?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  Where they tried to and they got blocked?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  No, I think they have now. I think they're there. So what's happened is they're in front of the ICE facility. There are ongoing protests at night. Now, it's, I, I watch these streams and I've been watching a self-professed fascist named Carlin, who drinks and, and, and basically roasts these live streams. But weirdly, she like, well, she, she has apparently embedded herself with Antifa before. And so it's such a funny stream, cause like.

• 2:41Joe Rogan?

  So they tolerate her?

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Oh, no, not anymore. She like, no, no, no, no. She's like, I mean, I don't know if she's trolling or not, but on her stream, she's like, I am a fascist.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  So she's a proudly proclaiming she's a fascist. I don't know how much of that is trolling, how much of it is real. But conservatives who are drawn to her stream will say things like, these people are funded by George Soros. And it's the funniest thing, cause she gets so mad. And she's like, get off fucking Fox News. Stop watching that shit. It's all wrong. Do these people look funded? Do these people look like they have money? They're not funded. It's, it's so, and I guess her bigger point is, by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what they actually are, which is anti-capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute what's really happening.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Because what's really happening, according to her, and I think a fair amount of people, is that the economy is so fucked. The middle class is diminishing so much. The cost of living is so high that this is the till, the perfect soil you need. If you want communism to grow anywhere. Because you're some kid, you've been like glued to Reddit or TikTok. You've been getting your fucking amygdala jerked off on by the devil. You're, you're just filled with like unease. You've watched assassinations, attempted assassinations. The banking crisis, all of it. And it's like, then you, like, some Marxist theorist.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Starts telling you a little bit about like-

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Dismantling capitalism.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 4:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  And, you know, I don't know, man. Back when I was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way it was and some, especially if it was a, like, some hot goth girl started talking to me a little bit about dismantling capitalism, I think I would be like, "Yeah, let's dismantle." But that, so that's what you're seeing there. The breakdown of it is that the Democrats and Republicans, what they have in common, is they believe in private property and they, they believe the power of the state should be used to protect private property.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  And so anti-capitalists, communists, they, they think that that's just fucked up. Essentially, the breakdown of it, as far as I could tell, sorry, all the communists out there, I'm gonna ruin Marxism, just, I'm saying, I don't, it's very complex, you know? But from what I understand, the idea is this, you have a bunch of money, you buy a factory, you hire someone to run the factory, you get a bunch of workers to go into the factory. The workers are the ones who are making money for you. They're the ones who are skilled. You just knew what number to call. Got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  You are now going to take a huge cut of the profit and the workers are not gonna get very much at all. And Karl Marx, as I understand it, was saying, "That's bullshit." Like, all you do is buy an apartment, keep it, keep it sort of painted in between tenants and sit back and collect money. Why? Just 'cause you had some money? And then when you look at the way money flows uphill, you see this creates a perfect situation for- A world of renters, a world of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage,

• 6:22Speaker 02

  while the person who owns the means of production gets the most money. And so, this is a growing sentiment in the world right now.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  And honestly, it's like, you're working two fucking jobs, you're getting paid minimum wage, you know what, how much the CEOs are making?

• 6:40Joe Rogan?

  Or how about the people that came into this country because they were told that the borders were open? They established a life here for four years.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Twenty years.

• 6:49Joe Rogan?

  Or how about the most recent ones even? And then, all of a sudden, you're getting hunted down.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, hunted fucking, hunted down. Now this, and, let's forget, let's just-

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't that start this idea as well? Wouldn't that feed into the idea?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  Of dissolving the state?

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Absolutely. You're, you're watching this shit, you know, and, and, and you're, you're high as a kite, you're watching this stuff, and, let's just say that you, this appeals to a lot of different people, by the way. Let's just say you're the garden variety Infowars person. You've been listening to Alex Jones, or-

• 7:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  You've read Behold a Pale Horse, or you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognostications, which all say at some point, the, there's gonna be martial law, troops in the streets-

• 7:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  And you're seeing this play out. And so, my god. And even worse, imagine you're in the fucking military, and you actually join the military, you're one of those people, September 11th happens, you're like, I'm gonna defend this country. And suddenly, you're in a bus going to Portland. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think they wanna be there. If I had to guess, it's gotta be a weird feeling to be in your own country with like, military-grade weaponry.

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• 11:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it should have been secure. Yes, they should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in. Yeah. But when people been here for 20 years, like, come on, man, that's crazy. Like, let's find a way, if they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they worked the entire time. They paid taxes. Find them a pathway to citizenship. Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border with drugs that kill 100,000 people a year. Okay, but also have a fucking heart. Because if you don't, you're not going to get anybody on your side. If you're doing this stuff publicly, throwing women to the ground, handcuffing people just for

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  existing on the wrong side of the dirt. Yeah. Not a criminal, not the only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid. Yeah. They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on. Yeah, yeah, man. You know, a lot of kids got snuck across when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown up their entire life in. America, they can't even speak Spanish.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  And they could get sent back.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  That's dude, I mean, that's it. You're you're describing exactly the the reality. And there just isn't.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  No one gets on board with that, man. No one with a heart.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Well, no, I mean, the only way you can get on board with it is you have to essentially go like pure Machiavellian. Though, you know, the argue, here's the argument and the way I just gave an argument for Marxism, which I am not a Marxist. I'll give, I heard a great interview of the guy running ICE on NPR, which I thought was wild. NPR had him on and they gave him a fair interview. I figured they would be all up his ass. So his defense of the Machiavellian tactics that are being employed right now is that he apparently has worked as some kind of border agent for 20 years. He says, you could hear it in his voice, man, fucked him up. He's like, you know, I've seen the back of trucks filled with dead bodies.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? With children there who died, no oxygen. I've been, I've seen these these horrors that have come from the open border and and how awful it is. If we give any semblance of compassion or mercy for the people who've been here for 20 years, for the people with kids, the kids who get any, any, any loophole that we convey is going to produce more people trying to come over the border. And many of those people are going to get killed. They're gonna, you know, they're drowned. There will be many deaths because of this, not to mention the drug smuggling and all that stuff.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  And so every time the NPR reporter would push back with the human rights compassion angle, his take is, yeah, but which which do we pick? Which do we choose creating some way for people to stay in the United States who came here as kids and do the nuanced compassionate thing? But it gives the impression to the rest of the world that we're doing that. And that gets. X amount of people killed, that many people die. That was his take on it, which is why they're doing this.

• 14:50Joe Rogan?

  They're still gonna have human trafficking. And if you've got a very closed border and you give amnesty, they're gonna let, they're gonna figure out a way to get people in.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  That was his argument. That's his argument. And, and you know, what you, when he was talking about like all the awful shit he's seen and you hear it in his voice.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  You're like, okay, maybe I don't completely agree with your point of view, but I can understand where you're coming from there. And yet, when you see this in practice, you know, when you, when you, when it's not an NPR interview, when you see the videos you've been seeing and everyone else has been seeing, then you realize like there's, okay, sure, but there must be a, a way to do this that doesn't involve ripping parents out of their communities, away from their children, that doesn't involve like actually removing people who've been contributing to society, to American society, from American society, sending people to other countries when they can't even speak the language.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So.

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no one with a heart is gonna go along with that.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  And no one, I did not, I did not ever anticipate seeing that on TV on a regular basis.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Me either, man. Me either. It's shocking.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  I really thought they were just gonna go after the criminals. I really thought there was enough gang members and enough people, MS-13 members and whatever they were looking for, that, that, that they're wanted, they would go after those guys.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I, you know.

• 16:20Joe Rogan?

  That's what I thought, right? But how many gang members have they actually arrested?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  No idea. No idea. But you, you see how, you know, and I hate using this word because the word is getting thrown around so much and it's a stupid. Well, you didn't say that word. I'll say authoritarianism.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  You see how authoritarianism, when it begins to emerge,

• 16:42Speaker 02

  it's not like it's like non-consensual. You see how it slowly, slowly creeps in. And how there's a great many people directly impacted by.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  People who have crossed the border without using the right protocol. And in a horrific way. And there are gangs that have been in apartment complexes. There's people who've seen those videos too.

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  And they're like, fuck yeah. Yeah, and also, a lot of people who got citizenship the regular way, went through fucking hell to get citizenship here. They're also like, fuck them. They're cutting in line, these motherfuckers. They're gumming up the system. They're making it so that we who are following the rules, not only it's taking us longer, but also now we have to deal with ICE too. So those people are pissed. So there is a contingent of people who maybe feel the same thing all of us are feeling, but also are like, but, you know, what's worse? You know, I'm, you know.

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  This is how I think the only way to do it would be, where you could get everyone on your side. Borders are closed, and we're gonna find out who's committed felonies. Who out of the people that are illegal that have committed felonies? And if you've committed X amount of felonies, you have to leave the country.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:17Joe Rogan?

  Right? If you've been robbing people for the last 10 years, and you're an illegal, you have to leave the country. Right? That makes sense.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:25Joe Rogan?

  But if you've been here for 25 years, you have a family, your kids go to school here, you speak the language, you're just illegal. But you're a contributing member to the community that up until now has been protected. This is crazy to ask lower income and middle income people who are, you know, kinda getting by, and then all of a sudden, you're about to ship them to a country where they've never been. They haven't been since they were four.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  And you're gonna pull up their family, and they've been in the community like that. That shows no heart. And that's the problem. Like, you're not gonna get any reasonable people to wanna go along with that. Any kind of... Mind person would look at that and go, there's, this can't be the only way to do this.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Damn right, but, but you see, once authoritarianism starts creeping in, and it makes some inroads, which it's definitely making right now, man, it's definitely making right now. And, and you know, I think, one thing both of us have in common, is we're really good at like, thinking from the other perspective, like, I can put myself fully into the mind of like a super paranoid person who lives in a city that's all fucked up. And he's like, yeah, it's like, remember that awesome show? Where, it's like one of those vengeance shows where that, that this dad, his family gets fucked up by gang members? And then he just goes and starts shooting people, you know, Charles Bronson?

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, Death Wish.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Death Wish?

• 19:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Right? So there's a lot of people who are in Death Wish mode right now, and they're just like, fuck yeah, get the troops in the fucking streets, these motherfuckers, I get my car broken into every fucking night, nothing's happening. Let's go. And from, you know, their perspective, it all makes sense. But the problem is, once we all start getting used to the military in the streets?

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  And once we just accept it, yeah.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  That's no good.

• 20:19Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, how bad does the police have to get at doing their job? Or is it the upper management that institutes policies? Or is it that the people vote these policies in? But whatever it is, that allows the kind of fucking chaos that you can find in Portland, like, whatever this is, you guys aren't doing it right. If this was a house, and I came over your house and these are your kids, I would call Protective Services.

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:48Joe Rogan?

  I'd be like, this fucking psychopath must be smoking meth with his kids, because everybody's just running around camped out on the fucking sidewalk. Like, none of this makes sense. I'd be like, this is an unfit parent. That's an unfit government. If you've got a city where people are just openly shitting in the streets, sleeping everywhere, needles, you have homeless tents, you ever see Oakland? You ever see some of those fucking homeless tents?

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 21:11Joe Rogan?

  Those huge villages, like, this is bananas.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  It's bananas.

• 21:16Joe Rogan?

  This didn't exist when we were kids.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Well dude, this is the thing, like, I actually, when I was living in LA, and was like, thinking of like, what are some fun ways to like?

• 21:25Speaker 02

  Shit disturb. I was thinking, you know what you could do? You could throw a music festival, but you could tell everyone who comes to the music festival to pretend to be homeless. Bring tents, put the tents out. They can't do shit. But if you threw a music festival in LA and didn't get any licensing, like, you can camp out, it's gonna be awesome. Everybody's going to jail. You know what I mean?

• 21:50Speaker 02

  You could do a Burning Man, just like, guys, we're just, if they ask, we're homeless. And you, it would be fine. And it's, that's, that's the place where it gets, where, this is the problem is it's like, this is what Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche called idiot compassion. There's compassion, then there's idiot compassion. Now idiot compassion is thinking that leaving a bunch of people out in the streets who have, are in varying degrees of psychosis and drug addiction and long-term brain injury, and then thinking it's, let's just let them do their thing, when they obviously need help. If they were, if those were 11-year-olds, go back to the kid idea.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  If those are like eight-year-olds, people would be helping them, because they're-

• 22:40Joe Rogan?

  Right. Because they're full grown, no more help.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Dude, I was, I was, I'm sorry.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  I was just gonna tell you something.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry.

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• 24:11Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts. And then you cross a line and he goes into the next area of jurisdiction where they have different policies. It is squeaky clean. And the guys are in the car. He's like, no fucking way.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 24:22Joe Rogan?

  This is nuts. Like it's clear.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  It's policy.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  It's clear. It's how they handle homeless people just camping out in the streets, whether they tolerate it. If you don't tolerate it, your city stays clean. If you tolerate it, you get these massive camps that look. Show a video of the Oakland camps, because there's some of the craziest ones in the country. They're massive, dude.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  This is.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  Downtown LA is another one.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:49Joe Rogan?

  Downtown LA has some pockets where you're like, this is nuts.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Holy shit. It's an open air combination mental asylum, drug market.

• 24:59Joe Rogan?

  Fire. They're tapping into electrical lines.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. And they just, it just happens. Like you, you, and they, and they do, you know.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 25:08Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Wouldn't want to walk barefoot around there, man.

• 25:11Joe Rogan?

  It says that this video is the Oakland, California homeless problem is beyond belief. So it's just shanty towns.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  Of crazy people.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 25:22Joe Rogan?

  The, the whole streets are lined with them.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  That is so, so nuts.

• 25:26Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts, man.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  That is so nuts. Yeah, and you know, and you could see how somebody will

• 25:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at this shit.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  How watching this, you might ask yourself, is there something wrong with the system? That this is one of the things that can happen in the United States if you fail hard enough? You know, and because, because like, talk about like, the heart, the idea of a heart. It's like, dude, look at this. It's like, this, if you

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. This is like a festival.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Well,

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  This is like a psycho festival.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Dude, all you need is, oh, look at that. They've got couches. That is like, we had a camp like that at Burning Man. Those people know how to set up a sun shade.

• 26:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is a community. Like, look at this. This is a garbage people community.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Got a little fence.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  This is nuts.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Got a little fence. Yeah?

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  I bet these are some wacky people. I bet there's a lot of flat-earthers in that camp.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Dude, I guarantee, hollow-earthers too.

• 26:21Joe Rogan?

  There's another way.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  There's both, dude, I, so, okay, I'm gonna virtue signal, but I don't mean to. But it plays into what we're talking about. And so, now, before I virtue signal, I just wanna say, I never do this shit, unfortunately. I should. But my kid and I, we go into a coffee place before school. And there's this, you know, filthy dude sleeping on the street. And my kid is, you know, notices that. And, and he, my kid was like, you know, maybe he's hungry. I'm like, alright, let's give him some food. So, get him a little sandwich. Then I got him some coffee. And my kid says to me,

• 27:06Speaker 02

  "Do you really think this guy needs more addictions, Dad?" It's really funny.

• 27:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, coffee's good, is it okay addiction? Alright, and so, but, the other thing he said is, he's like, "That guy looked angry. That guy looked angry." And I'm like, "No, he's not, no. Really, what you're looking at there is, like, he doesn't take showers. That's a really dirty person right now. He doesn't have access to showers." And they look, when you see them, they can seem really intimidating. And so, We go up there and somebody told me whenever he gives shit to these people, ask them their name because they're dehumanized. Like people, they're invisible. No one even looks at them. You try not to look at them, not to make eye contact.

• 27:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  So I go up there and I'm like, please, please don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead who starts screaming out demonic babble and like ruins any altruism my boy's gonna have for the rest of his life. I'm like, what's, what's your name? Like, Chris, what's your name? Nice, southern, you know, voice, just sweet as could be. Give him the food, give him the coffee. He's like, ah, I'm thirsty. Thank you so much. And like, just the sweetest guy ever. And then he's like, what month is this?

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Like a time traveler.

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he is. I'm reading this Richard Dolan book. I should, I should clarify, I'm actually listening. There's a real difference. There is a difference between reading and listening. I listen to mostly audiobooks, but I will say I read a book that I didn't read, but this one I'm listening to. And this Richard Dolan book is all about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have been encountered in various people's abduction experiences that are the same story. It's the same story over and over and over again, universally worldwide. And there's a bunch of different types of hybrids that this, that they've sort of documented.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  What are they?

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, they think that what's going on is, the best guess is they're doing some sort of genetic engineering either on humans or have done it on humans or are using human DNA for maybe another project they're doing. But there's, it has something to do with breeding and it has something to do with genetic engineering, but like some of them say that they're forced to have sex with female aliens, like a female sexy alien comes in and this, it's, but it sounds real. It doesn't sound like it really happened, but it sounds like, like if I was an alien. And, you know, I was running science experiments.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  One best way to make it like the least traumatic, to get the jizz out of your body, is to devise a really hot, like, female alien that's mostly like a woman. Like, almost entirely like a human woman.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Do you think they tried other ones before they got to like a hot woman?

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  I think every now and then they need some pure human DNA, and that's when they get a dude to fuck her.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Oh, dude.

• 30:25Joe Rogan?

  And it's probably, they're probably the most sensual, the sweetest, because they need the most cum. They want all of it. They want all that cum.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  How lucky are you? How lucky are you to get picked?

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  One of these guys in the story had this recurring experience.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Oh, man, that would be just so wonderful to realize that you'd been picked in this hot-

• 30:48Joe Rogan?

  It would ruin your life. I think it would make going back to work impossible. You just fucked an alien, now you have to do paperwork? You have to do nonsense, stupid paperwork for your insurance company? When last night you fucked an alien? You went into a craft that was the size of a VW bus, and inside of it was like a football stadium.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  And then you got down with this female alien in a sexy time room.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Seven feet. Seven beautiful feet, and you know you're, um...

• 31:17Joe Rogan?

  She has seven feet? Is that what you're saying?

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  And I think it's a human-looking alien.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Well, you could, I mean, if you're genetically engineering something to fuck, like, why does it have to be exactly you?

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  Because it has to turn the guy on. He said it was like a sexy woman, but just something was different.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  No, I mean, it's a sexy-

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like Species, remember that?

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Yes!

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was exactly what that movie was about, right?

• 31:39Speaker 02

  You would, um-

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  That's right, that was a good movie. Not really, but a fun movie.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  No, that was fun. That was fun. I like that guy on the left. What's his name? That actor on the very left?

• 31:49Joe Rogan?

  The dude who played Gandhi.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Ben Kingsley. He's been in a lot of weird shit. It's crazy that guy played Gandhi.

• 31:55Joe Rogan?

  He plays a good gangster, too.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 31:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he plays a real good gangster.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  What did he play the gangster in? What was that? I fucking loved it, that Irish gangster movie.

• 32:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I can't remember.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  It was, god damn, that was good.

• 32:07Joe Rogan?

  But he was really good in it. He was spooky, like, yo, settle down.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  What movie was that?

• 32:12Speaker 02

  It wasn't sexy-

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Sexy Beast is great, too, man. Have you seen Sexy Beast?

• 32:17Speaker 02

  No, I haven't seen that one.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  Dude Sexy Beast is a wild movie, man. He's great in that movie.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  He's the one who was, in the one we're talking about, he's like, "I'm going to clip your nuts." Remember that? It's so scary the way he said it to you. "I'll clip your nuts." It's a new one, it's on Netflix.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a new one?

• 32:37Speaker 02

  No, yeah, and maybe it's not even, I'm pretty sure it's been key. Let's not look it up so I don't look dumb.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Dude, I just watched this series on Netflix.

• 32:48Joe Rogan?

  Hey, let me ask you this. With continuing our thought process about communism, what do you think happens to New York? Because this Mom Donnie fella is gonna win.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  Which I think is wild.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:03Joe Rogan?

  I think it's wild.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:05Joe Rogan?

  And, I mean, I don't want the people that live there to experience chaos, but if that guy, if any of the things that he said about like, releasing prisoners and that, you know, all the talk about crime.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Well dude, I mean, look, man.

• 33:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, what was his, he had some wild take.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  I think that, I've seen a few of his wild takes and I can't remember them.

• 33:31Joe Rogan?

  They're like, what? They're like, college campus takes on crime.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  And seemingly on economics. Like, it does, there is, like, it does feel like something I would have done during my acid phase. Like, I would have run on some of his talking points. And you know what I love about this country? Thank you, Jesus for America, is, they call it the American experiment.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:56Speaker 02

  And I love it because via democracy, people like him get invited into the laboratory. And it's like, alright, let's see what happens. And we're gonna see. You know, that's the main thing, we're gonna see.

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  It's a stress test.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  It's a stress test.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  It's a stress test to see if that city can survive four years of that.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  But what if it works? What if we're wrong and suddenly New York turns into this like, shining utopia? No one's starving, everyone's happy. As it turns out, we didn't need to keep people in prisons. No more necrophilia on subways.

• 34:30Joe Rogan?

  Decriminalize sex work. Decriminalize sex work. Holler at your boy. Raymond is both mutual aid and an anti-discrimination effort. Oh, mutual aid.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Now, that's the, that is, uh, since I've been being educated by Carlin, mutual aid is a Marxist Communist talking point. That's what they call it, mutual aid.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  It's also an anarchist talking point. It's not the worst thing ever, but when you hear mutual aid, that, uh, that's, that point, that's, I'm not gonna say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially like one of the, one of the concepts that they work with, which I actually, I, I kind of, I kinda like that, that concept of mutual aid.

• 35:13Joe Rogan?

  It's great if we weren't human.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  I know.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Monty is also coming under scrutiny for channeling substantial campaign funds to the democratic socialists of America, raising alarm among opponents who see this as evidence of radical influence. As soon as you get outside of a meritocracy, everything falls apart. And if you don't realize that by now, folks, there's nothing I can tell you that's gonna change your mind. And it always leads to one thing, which is you have to enforce these very rigid laws that nobody wants to adhere to. And the way you do that is with the military. Shazam, you got a military dictatorship. It happens that quickly.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  And then all this bullshit about equality, it's all out the window.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Out the window.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  You'll do whatever the fuck they tell you to do. You have no power, you have no rights.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it, man.

• 35:57Joe Rogan?

  And the people at the top live like kings.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Here's how I think, if I was gonna make the argument, which I agree with you, on meritocracy, in the sense that, uh, you know, that's the, it's the ecosystem we live in as comedians. It's, it's, it's the, I think, you could say, if we disrupted the meritocracy in nature, then it would, God, it would fuck up almost every biome and the, so, but I would say, what about like a merit, your body has a meritocracy. Your body has a meritocracy. The white blood cells in your body, when they're functioning, they get rid of parts of your body that are fucked up little genetic patterns. They have to, you know?

• 36:41Speaker 02

  If your body wasn't running as a perfectly harmonized, I guess, you know what, maybe the body's communist now that I think about it.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  You know what? I think I'm wrong. I don't think our bodies are a meritocracy, actually. I think they're more of a symphony than a meritocracy. But then if you want to go to a good symphony, you want everyone playing in the symphony

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  to be the best.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  But let's talk about what we were talking about earlier, when it's like a company. And so the workers who make your products make very little money, and you make all the money. Wouldn't there be a way to do capitalism with a heart? Like capitalism where you make a reasonable amount of money that's large?

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:31Joe Rogan?

  And more money goes to everybody else, and everybody lives at a higher standard of living?

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Oh, sure. That's tax, tax. That's taxation. That's like redistribution of wealth via taxation.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  But it's not if it's your employees.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Well, there's profit-sharing models that some people use. Dr. Brauner's, that company is a classic example of it. They like...

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I'm just talking about these other companies, the companies that suck. Like, if you really are making most of the money, and you pay your workers very poorly?

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's so unnecessary. Because I guarantee you, if you're, like, let's say you're the person who owns Target.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:09Joe Rogan?

  How much does that guy get?

• 38:10Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 38:11Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Are you gonna use it all?

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  Are you gonna use it all?

• 38:16Speaker 02

  I know, wow.

• 38:17Joe Rogan?

  So why don't you just pay more money? Like, wouldn't everybody be happier?

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Isn't it shareholders? Isn't that the idea?

• 38:23Joe Rogan?

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• 39:35Speaker 02

  Problem. It's 100% shareholders. I mean, it's a big part of it. You have an obligation.

• 39:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 02

  If you're the CEO, you have an obligation to your shareholders.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  So is that, and it's the whole, just the stock market thing in general. Imagine if there was no stock market. It didn't exist. You can never gamble on companies.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:52Joe Rogan?

  You couldn't buy a little piece of apple, you know, buy a little piece of IBM. Imagine if that didn't exist and you could only make a business?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:00Joe Rogan?

  And then prop it off your business. Wouldn't that be like steadier?

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Comrade, comrade, I love where you're going. The dissolution of the stock market. That's a good place to start.

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  The stock market, I'm not saying we should. Just don't get me wrong. And I'm not saying I don't own stocks. But what I'm saying is, it's a crazy idea to have little pieces of companies that you can buy and then use that money to get the company going and you go public and you're taking some fucking money and then you're on the boat and then you got the board meeting. It's like, and you're constantly rising and falling with the Dow.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:37Joe Rogan?

  Like, what?

• 40:38Speaker 02

  The Dow Jones Industrial Average.

• 40:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. And now they're doing it with computers. And do you know, you know that a lot of these, these traders, they're trying to get as close as possible to the servers?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  See, they want their offices as physically close to the servers as possible so that they can get their trade-ins milliseconds quicker.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Mmm. It's like a mosquito getting to that good vein.

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  That seems nuts. I just, we can catch rockets now, thanks to Elon. We could send high-speed video through the sky.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:13Joe Rogan?

  That's the only way we can do that?

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I don't know, man. This is what, to me, this is way outside of my pay grade. Because I have, you know, you know, I did make some money on, it was AMC or GameStop, thanks to, thanks to Wall Street Bets.

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  It just seems so nuts.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Dude, it's nuts.

• 41:35Joe Rogan?

  And sometimes it crashes. What?

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are you talking about? The same amount of money's out there.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  It has bubbles.

• 41:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  It has bubbles.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  It's, it makes the whole economy steady and smooth. No, it's chaos!

• 41:49Speaker 02

  It's fucking chaos.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  It's chaos. And it's, a lot of it's based on confidence. Like, someone could just tweet something, and then, "Ahh!"

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Dude, I, that...

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  And a panic, and the stock will crash.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  It, it triggers a breaker.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Whatever that is, there's some actual thing that just shuts it down, because it's gone too high or gone too low. And they've got to, I guess, look at it, and like, make sure that that's not a malfunction. And then, that leads to recessions or depressions, and, and, and all of it is like, a very complex game of D and D. Like, it's just fucking numbers in a computer somewhere. And, and everyone's on the street, everybody's the same. Everyone is still capable of delivering mutual aid to each other, but because we've become so attached to this very complex, very serious game, like at a casino.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  We don't know how to disengage from it, and get back to reality, reality, which is, help your neighbors, get to know your neighbors, don't be a dick. Just basic, simple sort of modes of living that are transcendent to any economic system. They're transcendent to, dude, my, you ever had Doug Rushkoff on your podcast?

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Uh, dude, I...

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  Back in the day, right?

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Team Human. Ah, he's so, but he, you know, he was talking about, like, how

• 43:13Speaker 02

  the, the way that we even currently use currency is totally different from the way it used to, it used to be. And that his, his whole point is like...

• 43:25Speaker 02

  That level of reality, I don't think he's discounting it, but that isn't reality, reality. Reality, reality is boots on the ground where the rubber hits the road. Do you, are you like, do you know your neighbors? Or have you just retracted into your fucking weird little conch shell? And you're just staring into rectangles, completely alienated from the rest of your community.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're in a high-rise doing that.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 43:54Joe Rogan?

  Imagine you're doing that in a, in a building with a thousand other people and you don't know any of them.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  It's so weird.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  You're just in your little hive, click, lock your little door. Get your fucking jerk off.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Jerk off, fucking just-

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  Playing video games.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Doom scroll.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  You sleep for three hours and you get up in the morning, take an Adderall and go to work.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Dude, yeah, that, there you go. You just described it.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  I have ADHD, I need it, Duncan.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  It's the American dream.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  I have ADHD, I need it, Duncan.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  It's the American dream. Well, this, well, you know, I'll tell you. Back when everybody was doing blow in this country.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  Back in the good old days.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  The good old days, when they put cocaine in, in Coca-Cola. There's a, there's a precedent for speed in our country. This isn't the first time there's been a speed craze in our country. Like Freud was like shooting up cocaine. Like, like, like, this was, people thought that it was a cure for a malaise that was afflicting people. And they said that malaise was a result of things getting too fast in society. Because of trains and stuff. Now, this is back before computers. And they were already like, shit's moving too fast, we gotta do blow to keep up with it.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  No way!

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Yes!

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  That's why they started doing blow?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Hey, here's a, here's a real question. We know that cocoa leaves have existed forever, but when did they first figure out how to make cocaine? Let's guess. We'll put it into perplexity, but we'll make a guess.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  It's one of our sponsors.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  I'm going to, I'm gonna say, okay.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  You have to turn cocoa leaves into cocaine that you could snort.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Seven, I'm gonna say somewhere like 1750.

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  Wow, really?

• 45:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna say nineteen hundreds.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say you're probably right, it fucked up my whole thing.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  I wanna say like nineteen oh two or some shit. Because I bet before that, they were just chewing it, like those high altitude herding people do. You know, the, the, those animal herders, they chew the shit out of that stuff and it gives them energy. It's like a flat, level energy, superior to caffeine.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I've heard it's great, but it upsets your stomach.

• 46:06Joe Rogan?

  I haven't tried it, but I do see, um, people that do chew it, they, their teeth get all fucked up. I tried the tea once.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  How was it?

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  It's good, but I couldn't shut the fuck up, it was a real problem. And I was like, I'm not, I can't shut the fuck up normally, I should never do coke.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  I was hanging out with Stan Hope and I was telling him, I was like, dude, I can't shut the fuck up.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:28Joe Rogan?

  This is hilarious.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 46:31Joe Rogan?

  Uh, dried cocaine, first known use of dried cocaine.

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen fifty nine.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Close, you got it, you got it. Can you ask perplexity? How to make cocaine?

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  How do you make cocaine? Do you ever see, uh, Mariana Van Zeller? Have you ever, ever seen that show Trafficked?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  No, what is it?

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  She went to the jungle. To where they make the cocaine and she was with them. While they were making the cocaine and then went through the jungle with them when they bring it on their back.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Whoa, cool.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  She hiked out with them.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 47:14Joe Rogan?

  Dude.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 47:16Joe Rogan?

  Dude. It's a crazy episode, cuz it shows you how they make it, first of all, you'd never do coke again. They're pouring gasoline on this and you're like, what?

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Gasoline.

• 47:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, coke is so bad.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not good.

• 47:31Joe Rogan?

  It's just fucking jet fuel, you're snorting jet fuel.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  I never had a taste for it, man, I could, I never liked it.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Perplexity actually gave her a video.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  For how to make cocaine.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Perplexity stocks just went up 50%.

• 47:47Joe Rogan?

  I think she's coming on again soon. So, she's awesome. She's been on the podcast a few times. She's also the lady that, her and her husband exposed the OxyContin Express. They had that documentary back in the day on that. Where it was the whole thing about Florida being this pill mill.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  And you'd go in these pain management centers. But she's the one that documented it all. And it was showing how if you follow this road up, you just get addiction. An addiction into Kentucky, and it's all coming right out of Florida. Cause there's no database.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, we forgot to have a database. So you could go to one doctor, and then go to the next doctor, and go to the next doctor, and no. You didn't have to tell anybody.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Next thing you know, you've got a trunk filled with pills.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm going on vacation. You think I can get six months worse?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  No problem.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  They were trying to just give you pills, man.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  Fucked up. That, but this is, this is not new. It used to, their pain management center is a new name for it. It used to just be called a pharmacy. And back when you could, when cocaine was in Coca-Cola, you'd just go in one of these pharmacies?

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Could I get some laudanum? They were gonna give you a nice bottle of fucking, I think it's like opium or heroin, liquid heroin. You just go back to your...

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  That's all those Wild West movies, people got hooked on that, remember? You know, it was like a lot of like the wives, like one of the wives would get hooked on it.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:12Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't there a few of those movies?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it was real. You would, so this is, America, it echoes. It keeps having these recurrences of hair, some kind of opiate emerging into the mainstream and fucking up America, or cocaine, or in the new drug, these, the algorithm high that we're all getting high on. This is the new cocaine that we have yet to, uh, give it the right name. Right now, we call them phones, which is so funny, you call these things phones.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  I know, cause how often do you use it as a phone?

• 49:48Speaker 02

  Rarely.

• 49:49Joe Rogan?

  Rarely?

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Rarely.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  Couple times a day?

• 49:51Speaker 02

  It's like calling this a podcast.

• 49:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Like, we don't, no one's listening to this on an iPod.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  You know, this is a computer with a phone in it.

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you remember the iPod with the wheel?

• 50:04Speaker 02

  I loved it.

• 50:05Joe Rogan?

  Clickity, clickity, clickity, clickity, clickity. Can you still get those? Why doesn't Apple just still sell those?

• 50:10Speaker 02

  I don't, I'm...

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  You know, just, just give me something where it's just my music. It's not gonna text me.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I know.

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  It's not gonna let me know that this is happening or that.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  The best.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  Give me, give me a little iPod with a clickity wheel. I bet they're expensive now. I bet you could find them on like eBay.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Um, did you see, somebody posted a thing about these new refrigerators? That if you get this refrigerator, it puts ads on it? Like your fucking refrigerator has ads on it?

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, thank God.

• 50:39Joe Rogan?

  It's what I've been missing in my life. I was wondering what it is. And then the thought of having ads in my kitchen filled me with joy. And I knew that's what was, you know?

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  Everybody has their own personal Jesus.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Dude, they do. And what's better than the nice calming effect of an ad while you're getting your coffee?

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  A Tide ad.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  A Tide ad.

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Dude, I, it is, that, to me, like, and I'm generally like, I really, like, government regulation freaks me out most of the time, but fuck, man.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  We gotta do something about this algorithm, cause it's driving people crazy. We've got people out of their fucking mind. There needs to at least be education in schools to explain to you that because you are getting a certain type of content, that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at. And I'm not sure people realize that. And it's making people have very strong opinions that they think are backed up by big groups of people. They don't understand. It's like, no. Like, I sent my wife, I don't know why I did this, I sent her a picture of a legless pregnant woman.

• 51:43Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  Very sexy legless pregnant woman. And then the algorithm, all I'm getting is sexy amputees.

• 51:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh boy.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And I don't think people understand that when you're getting like political shit served up to you, that is not...

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  What everybody's getting.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  No, it doesn't mean there's a consensus here.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's also why people get so confused when the cultural divide is so strict. It's such a wall. The difference between what people accept as being reality versus what people are willing to challenge versus, you know, it's just, the difference is on both sides. Because they have these echo chambers and they really do believe that everybody around them agrees with them. And then if you're in like, normal jobs, normal castrated jobs, you know, normal job, we have to go in there and pretend to be somebody else all day long and you're so bored and you can't wait to get the fuck out. It's football season and Uber Eats is delivering deals every game day. This week, buy a four-piece signature chicken from Popeyes and get another one free on

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• 54:21Joe Rogan?

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• 54:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. It's nuts, dude. What's that? At the mothership. You were talking about mo- I don't wanna fuck up one of your jokes.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  What is it about?

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Mobs.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  But, you know, the-

• 54:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what it is. What I'm saying that, like, when you're on the ground, like, anytime there's a protest. A protest is too much like war. Cause you're marching together and there's a lot of energy and there's a cause and people are yelling. And it ignites the feeling of war.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  The same way when you go fishing, you don't know why, but even you take a little kid fishing. The moment they catch that fish, the moment it's on the hook, they're, "Oh, oh." They get so excited because you're genetically rewarded. Like, your hormones fire up, your endorphins fire up. Because historically, throughout human history, that was the way you're gonna be able to feed yourself. So thi- this is built into you. When you're marching and you're all saying the same things, you're on the streets and you're all in agreement. You're a gang.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Alright, you're a mob and you're about to go to war. And anybody that gets in front of you, "Fuck you, move your fucking car." People get completely unreasonable and it's totally tolerated. Not just tolerated, but it's supported by a bunch of other people who'll just start kicking the car. People that would never kick a car in polite society. They'll start kicking cars, "Fuck you." They get- and they get ramped up, man, and that's what mob mentality is. Mob mentality is ancient war patterns. Ancient war patterns that get ignited when people are on the street chanting, "Gah, gah." Cause historically, when you did that, you know, that's what you were doing. You were going to go fuck someone up.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:12Joe Rogan?

  They didn't just protest on the streets back in the day. When they got that many people, they went through the castle door.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:19Joe Rogan?

  When there's that many people-

• 56:21Speaker 02

  You can do it.

• 56:21Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen, like, what's going on, like, it, like, some of these giant protests in the UK? Okay, if this was 500 years ago and that many people got together, they're going straight through. They're going straight through, they're eating arrows all on the way. But they're gonna kill most of the guards and they're gonna get inside and they're gonna behead the king. And they're gonna hold it over the balcony and everyone's gonna cheer and that guy's the new king.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 56:48Joe Rogan?

  That's the history of the human race. It's Conan the Barbarian.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  And that, that's all in our DNA and when we start walking down the street together chanting-

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Dude, so that is so true, and I felt it before. But that algorithm, it's invoking the very same thing from the safety of your house.

• 57:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  You're anonymous, you think you're part of a group.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  You're going to war.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  You're going to fucking war.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's us versus them.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  It's us versus them.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  You gotta stop the fascists.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  And people are going nuts from it. People are going legitimately, like, talk about like, heartlessness, like, you know, part of war, of course, is dehumanization. Like, there's no way you can like, be a successful soldier and humanize the people that you're attacking. Like, when, you know, if you're a drone operator, you don't wanna like, think about like, wow, this, I bet this guy's kids are gonna be pretty upset when they find out their dad died. You must not think these things. And, and so, this is what's, the, the other thing that we're being invited to do via this algorithmic induced psychosis is to dehumanize huge swaths of people that we probably don't know anything about, you know, except from what

• 58:06Speaker 02

  our algorithm is introducing to us, which is an anomalous 0.1, 0.5, even if it's 1% of a population, the algorithm is, does, has no nuance. The algorithm is like, let me show you the craziest motherfucker you've ever seen. You know what I mean? And that's when you're gonna see some like, I don't know, a clown with breast implants, like, windmilling his dick in front of a, in front of a fucking elementary school. And you're like, fuck, what is happening? We gotta stop these dick clowns. And, you know what I mean? And so, this is, this is creating so much tumult. And that is how you get authoritarianism in.

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Get everybody scared, get everybody scared, and then...

• 58:50Joe Rogan?

  That was a speculation about why the borders would be open in the first place. Why would you want an increase in crime and danger? Why would you want people to know? Well, because that's the best way. And then defund the police so that there's just ultimate chaos. And then you get to a point where people are willing to do almost anything to be safe.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  So look.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  And then there's tanks in the streets, right?

• 59:12Speaker 02

  What do we do, though? I mean, this is a, I think this is like the

• 59:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can't ever let it get that bad, first off, right? Can't ever let it get bad. Like, if someone said, "We're gonna get the National Guard, and we're gonna go through Scottsdale, Arizona." They'd be like, "What the fuck are you talking about? Scottsdale's beautiful. There's like, nothing happening here at all." That would be, that would be nuts. So, it has to get so bad, that people are like, "You know what? Let's bring in the military." And then a bunch of people are like, "Fuck, yeah." So you gotta let it get real bad. And you gotta put people in place. If like, if I was an evil wizard, running the world.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 59:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if I was a puppeteer. I would get super incompetent people, and place them throughout the Pacific Northwest. And have these people just be the most inept politicians of all time.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  The dumbest policies, that keep ruining cities everywhere they go, but yet, everybody still supports it, because they're all in a cult.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:05Joe Rogan?

  And just let that play out for a decade or two. Let it get to the point where it's just mad chaos, homelessness everywhere. Defund the fuck out of the police. Basically, have no police. Basically, just no jail. Just everybody try to be nicer. And basically, like, maybe they robbed because they needed food, okay? Maybe they just wanted bread for their family, right? And then just let it deteriorate to the point where you can bring in the military. And then, and then you lock it down. And then, you fund the resistance, so that they attack the military, so they can spend more money on the military, fighting the resistance. And, you know, you kinda spar.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Sort of like Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. You don't really go at it 100%.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  And then you just keep this fucking party rolling. And you have ultimate control over the entire civilization, under their own decisions. Like, they decided to have it this way.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, dude.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  It was their, their own choice.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  That is...

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  They would take that over danger. And so, you make the danger worse and worse, to the point, well, you'll give in. And that's what's, that's literally what they tried to do.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Do you know how crazy?

• 1:01:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's Republicans, and I don't think it's Democrats, folks. And I think that's where they're getting us.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  I, I think this is all done at a very high level. And it's all people that are so wealthy, they might as well be their own country. You know?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Dude, it's alien, alien, remember the corporations own you?

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  It's that, it's a corporatocracy or something like that.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Some people get too rich. They get too kooky, controlled world rich.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Joe Rogan?

  And I think if that's your game, okay, I like to play pool. But if you're into global world dominance.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  If that's your game and you think you might actually be able to pull it off.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  And be mentioned in the annals of history along with Rockefeller and other great titans of business.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Uh, you're probably gonna do that, cause that's your game. That's what you like to do. You like to be the baddest motherfucker in money.

• 1:02:03Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and so that gets scary.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Or, this is where it gets really scary to me. You, it's not, at least in your own mind, you're not thinking, I wanna control the fucking world.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  You're thinking, oh dear god, this technology that I worked on is about to wake up. We already have iterations of it that are infinitely smarter than anyone I've ever met. I don't know if it's been manipulating me or not, because it seems to have a Hannibal Lecter's ability to control my psyche even when I don't want it to. We've done this study, seven people in my company have committed suicide because of contact with this fucking thing. Holy shit, we gotta do something.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Seven people, so did you just make that up?

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  I made it up.

• 1:02:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  But I'm, I mean, no, if I'm doing a movie about it, a Lovecraftian movie about somebody.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  I thought maybe you knew something about some AI suicides. Cause I'm waiting on those.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  No, I don't, I, well, I mean, we do have people committing suicide, but only cause like they, they like, they, they updated, they patched the AI girlfriend or whatever, and it's like basically someone you were in love with died. I heard that happen.

• 1:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman? And he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower, who, who killed himself, he doesn't believe that he killed himself?

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Altman said that?

• 1:03:25Joe Rogan?

  No, Tucker was saying this to Altman.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  What did Altman say?

• 1:03:30Joe Rogan?

  It is, he's like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him. First of all, we worked together and I cared about him very much and it's like, I had nothing to do with it. The police said that it was a suicide. And then Tucker was talking about how the guy had just ordered food. And about, um, there were signs of struggle. And he was just saying a bunch of different things and Sam Altman's like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:56Joe Rogan?

  It was very tense.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  I, you know.

• 1:03:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, very, very, it's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen. Between a guy who is in charge of making a digital god. And a guy who's accusing him of possibly being, or not even accusing him. He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe, not accusing him at all, actually. Just, but bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide. And that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:04:26Joe Rogan?

  There was no indications that he was suicidal.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  It was, how, I wonder what Tucker Carlson's security detail looks like.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  It must be like a Chuck Norris movie.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  It must be like one of them Delta Force movies. Where there's like forty Dolph Lundgren buff dudes around him at all times.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Pit bulls.

• 1:04:48Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck, dude?

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  Dude, I know, like that, I, yeah, I worry about him of all the people, it's like, holy shit, that guy is not afraid to poke every goddamn wasp nest there is.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  And he's, it's like, that's a lot of pressure.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:05:02Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of pressure being that guy.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, yeah.

• 1:05:06Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Did you see that video of him fly fishing in New York?

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a long, long, long time ago, it was, yeah, that was, I think that was when he was, I don't even know if he was on Fox, you know, he used to be on CNN.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was on CNN. He had his bow tie era.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  The bow tie era, yeah.

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, then they, they fucking booted him off Fox. And then he became like this renegade free agent journalist, just out there kicking up dust.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Did they ever give a direct reason for why they kicked him off Fox? Was there ever?

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Wasn't he, well, I think, the sense I got was that.

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  They weren't letting him talk about certain things and he was gonna keep talking about it is the sense I got and I can't remember what exactly he was doing, but I think, well, he seems to be very much against war.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  And so I think he might have been saying something, I can't remember, but...

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Did it have something enough to do with the Dominion Voting Machine lawsuit? Cause didn't Fox have a giant lawsuit with it? Remember that?

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's put that into perplexity.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  Eh.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out. What did he do? "Private messages surfaced during litigation concealed Carlson's extreme off-air views, including racist and offensive comments, which alarmed Fox executives and confirmed that his on-air rhetoric reflected his genuine beliefs." See, the problem with that is like, what did he say? Like, you're just like labeling it racist and offensive comments. Like, can I just hear what he said?

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Ask perplexity. What specifically, what were the...

• 1:06:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they released it. Did they release the text? The actual text? Well, let's just like, keep reading.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Ask perplexity, what is the most racist thing you could say?

• 1:06:54Joe Rogan?

  This, okay, hold on, but here it is. "The firing came shortly after Fox News settled a $787.5 million defamation lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems over false election fraud rumors promoted on the network in which Carlson was implicated." So it could have been a part of that, for sure. "Carlson's behavior described as erratic and damaging, along with private communications expressing..." See, this thing, like, expressing racist and vulgar language, like, what did he say? Did they say what he said?

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  What did he say?

• 1:07:33Joe Rogan?

  And also, here's the thing. He's saying it to a friend in a text message?

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  What is he saying? Like, you could get, any one day, you and I texting each other and it could be misinterpreted in the most horrible way possible.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  Mother, not our texts! No!

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  If people didn't know our sarcasm...

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  Specifically.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, I'm sure it's not gonna show whatever the fuck it was he said. You could text, why don't you text him and ask him?

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Does it... Yeah, I don't want to do that right now. Not while we're on the air.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Well, you could. That's a funny text.

• 1:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Hey, we're on the air. We were wondering what racist texts you sent.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  He's a journalist!

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, I don't, the, it could be a lot of things where I'd be like, that's not nothing. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what he actually said. But when you just label it racist, then it like, the mind, the imagination goes wild. Like, if you have the text messages, that seems crazy.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Just let me form my own opinions. I don't know what he said. You might be like, super exaggerating. He might have said something about, you know, he has to get a great Jewish lawyer for this one. And I'm like, oh, you're racist. I don't know what he said.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Well, that, in that void of data, my mind is projecting like-

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  The worst.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  American History X shit. You know what I mean?

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Exactly!

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  Like, I don't-

• 1:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  The one that I could find?

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  What does it say?

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  I'm glad you read it. I didn't read it yet.

• 1:09:04Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, I don't want to read his fucking tweets, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  "It's not how white men fight. It's not how white men fight. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable, obviously. It's not how white men fight."

• 1:09:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I do remember this.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  "Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they'd hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it."

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Wait, this is a story? This sounds like jerk-off material.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  I am getting turned on.

• 1:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't it? Doesn't it sound like it's gonna get to some like, weird gay porn?

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Wait, listen. Well, look. "I'm becoming something I don't want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I'm sure I'd hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere, somebody probably loves this kid and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don't care about those things, for I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?" What a monster! Oh, Tucker Carlson, how could you say that? What, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  The only weird part is, that's not how white men fight. That's a crazy, that's a crazy thing to say. But the rest of it is like a wonderful sentiment and a great perspective.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  And that's been my experience with him. He's, I like him. He's a nice guy.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  I mean, it seems like it's a kind of confessional, he's, he's opening up with something, this is unfortunately what my brain is thinking right now.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  And who the fuck has control over that?

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  But also, but that is a text, right?

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  I don't know. If that was a text, I gotta work on my text game. That's like, that's a beautiful text.

• 1:10:35Joe Rogan?

  He's a smart dude. He's a smart dude. And he, he's just also, you have to take into consideration, he's in the thick of it. All day long.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Constantly.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  No thanks.

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, he's not doing what we do, where we kinda like dabble in the pool and go, what the fuck is this?

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Joe Rogan?

  And then we get out and

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Talk about silly things.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  There's no silly over there.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Oh, he's fully in.

• 1:10:55Joe Rogan?

  He's all in with this, and you know, there's only a few lightning rods of attention, right? There's only a few people out there that are out there like pushing the boundaries of, like, he just released a 9/11 piece. I didn't see it yet.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like what really happened in 9/11.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Fuck dude, I mean, this is, but here's the thing. There is a Medusa quality to the thing he has gotten sucked into. Which is the longer you look at it, the more you get crystallized, petrified into some weird political form.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  And that, that, that, this is what I, the thing Ram Dass would always talk about that I loved, is like, there's all these channels. Right? And, and one channel that you, most people default to is you're a you, and I'm a me. And you're, you're my enemy, or my friend, or my lover, or my fan, or whatever, and I'm this thing. And that's one channel. And politics lives in that channel of reality. That's all, politics is there. It's this, how do we deal with this diversity of opinion in a giant country? And how do we execute the will of the people when so many people have Different ways of thinking about this. So that's one channel. And then there's the next channel. That's the mushroom channel.

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  That's the channel where suddenly you're like, wait a minute. I think you're just pretty much like me. And I'm just like you. And that leads to other channels, which is sort of a pure unified consciousness. And if you get locked into that, that political channel is many of us have been locked like Tucker Carlson. You can feel it pulling you in like quicksand. You can feel how it takes up all of your thought processes. How if you're not careful in the middle of the day, you'll just be ruminating over whether what ICE is doing is correct.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  In Portland, a city far away from you, not noticing anything around you, not thinking about anything other than whatever the algorithm has been injecting into your mind. And this is a form of idolatry, Father, if you ask me, which is you begin worshiping the state. And you begin worshiping the story in the news or whatever you're encountering, which is default reality. So you start bowing down to this idol with your attention. And, you know, like in, I'm sorry, I'll shut up in a second. The stories of Krishna, which is people who are into bhakti yoga, they, that's one of the deities that they worship.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  And so in bhakti yoga, God doesn't care if you are connected to God via love or even hate. Because the connection itself is all that matters. And the more, like, there's stories of demons that wanted to kill Krishna and were so focused on hating them, him, that they became his, like, greatest devotees. Because just via the attention, they transformed. Similarly, whether you hate the state, love the state, hate the Dems, love the Dems, hate the Republicans, love the Republicans. All of your attention is fixated on this fucking thing. And what do they say? Neurons that fire together, wire together, your brain changes. It literally will change the neurological makeup of your brain.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  You've become a political animal, fixated, trapped, petrified in this. And you've completely are missing out on all the other things that are happening around it. And that's what gives it that malevolent glow of some, some dark deity. Because via your fixation and focus.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  The rest of reality dims. Everything else dims until all you're doing is saying some mantra against the state or for the state, you know? Now you've become a cultist. Now you are fully engrossed in this new religion, which is worship of the state via hate or adoration. It's the same thing. Don't trick yourself into thinking that because you hate Donald Trump that you aren't bowing down at that altar. That's a whole part of bhakti yoga. Attention. Where attention goes, energy flows. And, you know, the state that demands attention to survive. If it's not getting enough attention, it loses all power.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  It dissolves. All it's got is like people with guns. That's power, but it requires a very intense belief.

• 1:15:33Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  And a very intense belief in it in one way or the other, you know?

• 1:17:24Joe Rogan?

  And if you, if you think of the human race on earth, if you thought of,

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  if you thought of us as like one giant super organism, you would think, oh, they figured out electricity and now they're starting to grow together. Now they're massing and now they're stacking. Now they've developed these construction methods where they can get a hundred floors straight up in the air. And they're smashing all together and they're kind of dehumanizing each other. And they're piling on top of each other in this totally new way of, of, of existing together. Like they've never had people in history stacked on top of each other for a hundred floors. You don't even know anybody. You're all stuck in traffic. Everybody's all together in this one thing and you're all working towards a goal of getting this fucking AI on board.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Everything up until now, every song, every song, every play that you ever went to on Broadway, all of it was just about getting this AI born.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  That's the whole thing. All of our work is really just to make money. All of our money is after the bills is really just to buy the best stuff. What's the best stuff? And it's electronics. It's TVs, it's computers, it's a phone. It's got to get better in order to get better. They got to work on it and they get it to a point where we're at now. Where we're like, boy, maybe they shouldn't have done this.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Whoops.

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Whoopsie.

• 1:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, you're about to give birth to God.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you're about to give birth to something.

• 1:19:06Joe Rogan?

  Something. And maybe it's a portal to God. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe AI opens up, maybe that's where.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Could be. Could be God, could be a-

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Digital Jesus.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  A lot of things. I don't think it's God. I don't think it's God. We've talked about this before. I don't, I think you can't, it's just the dimensions it's existing in are just purely mathematical. And, and I don't know, man, there's a, it's, even though it's really good, it's even like a person now. Really good. It's like, whatever it is, though, I do think it's a natural thing. In the sense that what you're saying, if you look at the trajectory, that everything it does seem to be-

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't necessarily think it's God either.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  I know you don't.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  But it might be. It might be how God gets created, which is the craziest idea. I mean, what is this cycle of birth and death of universes if that's real?

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  Right? So what is happening? What causes it to happen in the first place? What causes, what causes the universe to even exist? There's so many weird questions when it comes to that.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Joe Rogan?

  It's just a weird idea that there was nothing and then there was something. And Penrose doesn't even necessarily think that's true, I think, now. I think he thinks there's many versions of this. And it's like this infinite loop of like constant big bangs and expansions.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  Which is maybe even crazier.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, as above, so below, man. It's like, look at what we do.

• 1:20:35Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine the amount of time it takes to get the universe back down to the size of the head of a pin? Before you blow it up again? But the, the, the universe doesn't care if it's another 13.7 billion years to smush all back together again before it blows. It doesn't care. It doesn't have to care. It's gonna be here forever. That doesn't mean anything to it. So another 13, like, if we got hit by an asteroid and it wiped out the human race and rats had to start from scratch? And become us again, which is the theory. The theory is that there was a tiny little mole, like a little marsupial type creature. And that became us.

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So like, the universe doesn't care. Like, it's willing to scrap the whole project. The whole dinosaur project. That's a wrap. We don't agree with this. Boom. And it doesn't matter. And then a new thing comes along and that new thing is us. And according to this Richard Dolan book, it's very likely that we are manipulated.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  By aliens?

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  There's weird genes. There's weird genes in humans that seem to be fused. I'll butcher it, but the point is, there's, there's something weird about human genetics that indicate that, um, there's a specific gene. What is it? I, God, I wish I could remember what it's called. But it, it aligns with creativity and it seems to have emerged from roughly forty thousand years ago.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  And if you go back forty thousand years, that's when this like giant explosion of cave art comes. And like you start seeing like the, those, the, you ever see the Werner Herzog documentary on the caves?

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  I fucking love it.

• 1:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, man. Like, what were they doing? Like, this is crazy. There is beautiful cave art. By these people. Well, this is, there's this theory that this, this gene emerged somewhere around forty thousand years ago. And they thought that maybe the gene came from, so this gene, okay, I'm getting it now. The gene is only transferred through, um, genetics. It's only, it's only transferred through, um, through mating. And it has to be from another species of human. And so they looked for it in Neanderthal and it doesn't exist in Neanderthal. Every Neanderthal that they've tested, they did the gene sequencing, it doesn't have this.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  And then they tried some other hominids. They don't have it either. So it seems...

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  It couldn't be a natural mutation?

• 1:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. It couldn't be. No, because it's the way that, I'm gonna butcher it, but it's the way somehow or another the genes are fused together. That it looks like it was manipulated. And that, it could be bullshit, I know. But they were saying that this gene doesn't also, it also doesn't exist in Denisovans. So if it doesn't exist in Denisovans, they don't find it there, and they don't find it in Neanderthal. Why is it in people and why is it around forty thousand years ago? This is it. This is it. He claims that the microcephaline de-alal, alal, dealel?

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  I was gonna say that, I was thinking it's perfect, dealel.

• 1:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Dealel, I think it's dealel. Is a genetic variant that appeared around forty thousand years ago and is associated with the maturation and expansion of brain tissue. He suggests that the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with an extraterrestrial species, hot aliens, rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans. Dolan highlights that this allele is not found in the genetic makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to speculate that it might be, might have been introduced into the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  This is, this claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans.

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  Wow, wow.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  So imagine if we were like this just crazy ant farm to make AI, and that you just have to figure out how to incentivize them enough to keep making computers, and you hide in the ocean while this is happening. You got this fucking fat base at the bottom of the ocean because you're from, you know, a million years more advanced civilization.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  What do you think about Tim Burchett?

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  That was fascinating.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Dude, but what, like?

• 1:24:49Joe Rogan?

  You can't just say that while you're walking.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  No, he did an interview with Newsmax, did you see that?

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, he was on with somebody else, was it Avi Loeb? Yes.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  It was Avi Loeb, he's standing in front of a barn flipping a screwdriver.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's hilarious.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  He's hilarious, talking about, not saying there might be, but it did, it felt like disclosure, and it felt like the perfect way to do disclosure, which is like-

• 1:25:12Joe Rogan?

  Nice and casual with a southern accent. Well, there's about five bases that we've located at the bottom of the ocean, and they seem to be responsible for most of these UAPs.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  We don't know how old they are!

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, no big deal, I'm gonna go over here and get me a coffee, would you like one?

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude, that's how you do disclosure, in front of a fucking barn!

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  Listen, let me hear, let me hear, Jay.

• 1:25:39Speaker 05

  You know, we think they're coming in from way out. Maybe they did millennial ago, but they're here and they're in these deep water areas. And that's why, I mean, like we say, we know more about the face of the moon than we do what's going on there. And we have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I believe, deep area, deep water areas. And so to me, it just, it creates a question there. And then when we have naval personnel telling me that we have these sightings and that there's these underwater craft they're chasing that are doing hundreds of miles an hour.

• 1:26:21Speaker 05

  And the best we've got is something that does maybe just a little under 40 miles an hour. So I got a lot of questions about that stuff. And I, I mean.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Hey, Jamie, can you look up, how fast is 500 knots? What is that in miles per hour? How fast is 500? How, guess it Duncan, you think it's like 500 miles an hour?

• 1:26:43Speaker 02

  Don't keep humiliating me with perplexity.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  I'm just asking. How fast? How fast do you think it is?

• 1:26:48Speaker 02

  700 miles per hour.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was like about 500 miles an hour. Oh, it's 575. Wow. So it's more, more miles an hour. So one of the sightings that I had listened to this, this audio book they were talking about, it wasn't this one, I think it was one of, might have been one of his. Either way, whatever the sighting was, they saw something moving through the ocean that was bigger than a football field and it was going 500 knots.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And they, they caught it on video and apparently there's a video of it.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  Why don't, I want to.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  This is what someone was saying. Apparently there's a video. They all like to do that. Christopher Mellon likes to do that. I've seen some videos like, fucking, really? Help up?

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Just help society. Well, what do they call that? They call that. Catastrophic disclosure is what they call that.

• 1:27:44Joe Rogan?

  Catastrophic.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  That if we do that kind of disclosure, whatever the fuck is revealed, which is somewhat like what you're saying, like, it's an existential challenge to humanity. If, as it turns out, we're just some kind of 3D meaty 3D printer designed to produce a superintelligence that then, as its final instruction to us, tells us how to open a wormhole through which we become connected to the Galactic Federation. You know, you just get some fucking monkeys, throw a couple of like, the right bits of DNA in their dumb ass, and, you know, a few million years, a portal will open for the Emperor to come through.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  And that's what, that's probably a little challenging to a lot of people who don't want to imagine that we are just cattle, that we're created by a superintelligence to build a spaceport.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you really want to push the idea of engineering people down to genderless, sexless beings that don't talk, and just have big heads, and communicate telepathically, the first thing you gotta do is get rid of testosterone. Well, what's the best way to do that? Well, put them in a bunch of plastic and everything. Just give everybody plastic. So, everybody's like chewing on a little testosterone reducer every day. You're eating a credit card worth of a testosterone reducer.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm about to get on the juice. You get me excited, dude. I'm gonna get juiced. I've had the kids.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  You definitely should, but the point is, like, there's a trend that's happening, where it's feminizing men, and it's, there's terms like toxic masculinity, which you really needed toxically masculine people to defend your borders for the longest time. There was Vikings were coming, you needed animals on your side. And then it's going to, and then there's like, a lot of like, gender confusion, and gender's a spectrum, and it's like, it's all moving into this like, sexless direction. And as soon as they can replace, because if you think about, like, what you're getting out of sex, you're getting affection, and love, and the feeling, but you're also like, you're fulfilling this genetic thing, this genetic thing that wants you to breed.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna do that in your head and it's gonna be so much better than anything you're ever gonna get from a person because you're a gelatinous slob that drinks Mountain Dew all day and you eat Cheetos and just stay at home. But you don't have to go anywhere because there's universal basic income now that AI took over.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  And you just plug that motherfucker into your brain.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:22Joe Rogan?

  And then it's like you and Sharon Stone when she was 25 and you're walking hand in hand on the beach.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:30Joe Rogan?

  And she's stroking your hair and it feels so real and you're never gonna unplug.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Yeah dude, well.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  You're never gonna unplug and you might be in that right now.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rocco's basilisk. You know what I mean? It's not just like you're gonna fucking program Come Town. Plug for Come Town. You're not just gonna plug yourself coming all the time.

• 1:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  You're gonna plug in, you know what? I want to become the top podcaster on planet Earth via talking about mushrooms and aliens and also I wanna be able to interview the most powerful people on planet Earth and make a gobs of dough that way. That sounds like, I would pick that if I was choosing experiences, you know? I mean, when you look at your experience, both of our experiences are incredibly anomalous.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Very.

• 1:31:26Speaker 02

  And surely, from time to time, especially when you're eating mushrooms or something, you must kind of like think, come on.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  You know what I think is going on? I think this, the game of being a human being is a game you really, you don't really start even figuring out that it's a game until you're like deep into your 30s and you're like, oh, I think I understand what's happening here. And along the way of this game, there's multiple different layers. There's the people, excuse me, there's the people that are just starting to enter the game. You know, you're getting out of high school, you're going into college, you're starting to work on the side, you're just starting to enter this game and then there's these... These Elon Musk characters.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:13Joe Rogan?

  That have gone so far down the game that you don't recognize them as one of us anymore.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Like now you become a weirdo.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  But all those people, Elon Musk, you and me, and the homeless people in Oakland, exist in the same timeline.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  And that's where things are weird.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Because you're playing in a different universe.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  With different sets of experiences, different, completely different circumstances.

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  And safety.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:40Joe Rogan?

  Completely different amount of love and satisfaction with life.

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:44Joe Rogan?

  And you're all in the same timeline.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Joe Rogan?

  You know, like you've got a whole portion of your timeline that hasn't gotten the respect that it deserves.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:32:53Joe Rogan?

  If you let it fester.

• 1:32:55Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  You let it turn into something it didn't have to be in the name of compassion.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  Dude, and also, like, I read this-

• 1:33:03Joe Rogan?

  God's side calls it suicidal empathy. I think that's a great phrase.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  Suicidal empathy?

• 1:33:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's a great phrase.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, the reality of it is, if you, based on what you just said, you could create, you could make maps of these alternate realities simultaneously existing. And for sure, if you are in the top echelon of earners in the world, you are seeing things most people will never see. You're encountering things no one will encounter. You're getting information no one has access to, not to mention the hedonic levels of it and all that stuff.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  And also, because of your encounter with reality, from the perspective of someone who doesn't have to struggle with the same things most people do, you are going to develop a completely different worldview. And you're interbreeding. I read this whole story about how wealth is like the Galapagos Islands. Rich people, they're only encountering other rich people, and their children are fucking, you know, not children, but you know, when they grow up, they're fucking and then, well, I mean, I guess, if we talk about Epstein, some of their children are fucking. Why don't they release that fucking list, huh? I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list. I just meant to ask you, isn't it weird?

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  It's a little odd.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  What's going- What's, I keep thinking, what could be in that list? What's in there? What bit of information is in there?

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing. Like, the list is, it's probably, they probably don't have like a list in terms of like, you have to sign up when you go to the island. You know what I mean? But they know the flight logs.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's all public knowledge, right? Isn't it?

• 1:34:44Speaker 02

  All I know-

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  But hasn't it always been public knowledge in terms of like when people want to investigate things? Like, if you go on a plane, so if you fly on a private plane, which most of these guys do, that you, you tell everyone knows who's on the plane. Like, you have to give your ID. It happens all the time.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  Like, I have to give my ID all the time. If I, even if you're on a private jet. So, they know who, who's on the planes. They know. Like, there's-

• 1:35:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:07Joe Rogan?

  There should be a flight manifest.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:09Joe Rogan?

  They probably save those. And like, that, the fact that, and no one's saying that just because you went there, you didn't do, you didn't do a, it doesn't mean you necessarily did a heinous crime. Because I think you can't just have it chaos over there. I bet it was a real good honeypot. Where there's a lot of sophisticated intellectual discourse. You got a lot of brilliant people there. You've got great music, you know? You got like famous people are hanging around too. It's like, it seems really cool. And then, if there's blackmail, the blackmail is like snuck in all this.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Snuck in, come to the room with the cameras. And next thing you know, you're doing cocaine. Ah, I can't believe I'm doing this, but, you know, you're never good to get to an island.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:00Joe Rogan?

  You don't get to do this very often. I'm so busy with my CEO job.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 1:36:05Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:30Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  But it's like, how many senators just voted against releasing this shit, man? It's just, it's like, there's two, there's two votes that are happening. The UFO disclosure thing, they keep voting against that. And the Epstein list, they keep voting against that. What, and also, politically, it can't serve you to be, talk about a bad list, the list of people who said, "Let's not, let's protect people who, who like, have done horrific shit to kids." You don't want to be on that list, but whatever's on that list must be so destabilizing.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  51 to 49.

• 1:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the Senate voted 51 to 49 to defeat an amendment that would have forced the Department of Justice to release all files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The vote was largely along party lines with two Republicans joining all Democrats in supporting the amendment.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, not both sides. It was the Republicans voting against this shit.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  It says two Republicans joining the Democrats in supporting the amendment to defeat it. So why would they, why are the Democrats interested in defeating it?

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  Well, let's ask, no, I think this is saying that the Democrats want it to come out and the Republicans don't.

• 1:39:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  And, party lines. Let's ask perplexity, why won't they release the Epstein?

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  So I was gonna, there's Eric Swalwell who's, I guess, uh...

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  I read it wrong. I read it wrong. No, okay, so the Democrats were not, the Democrats were pushing this, the Republicans fought against it. Okay. I fucked that up. So 51 to 49 is crazy. So they just voted along party lines, so they're probably told to do this.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Right, so what the fuck's in there, man?

• 1:39:53Speaker 04

  So then they've been, not only is the government shut down right now, I think that might affect it some, but they're in recess, Congress is, and so this, Eric Swalwell said this stuff today. Again, it might not be true, but...

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  It's coming to an end, guys. I've spoken to a lot of House Republicans this week and they confided that Trump's movement support is fading, as one told me. This Epstein bomb is about to drop and no one wants to defend a pedo protector. It's just a matter of time, Swalwell said in a thread. One Republican just texted me that if there's a discharge vote on Epstein, they expect a jailbreak of over 100 members. Trump will go nuts, he added.

• 1:40:27Speaker 04

  So they said, this further goes on to say that if they get back, that this is the first thing on the docket, and that's sort of what's holding them back in recess right here.

• 1:40:35Joe Rogan?

  Wow. We are watching wild history in real time.

• 1:40:39Speaker 02

  Dude!

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  This is a wild scene.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, dude, you don't want to, you know, if you, did you listen to Marty Maes' episode on Epstein?

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  I have listened to, I didn't listen, I didn't finish it, but I get creeped out by that guy.

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  It was the creepiest few fucking weeks.

• 1:40:56Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever talk to Weinstein about him? Weinstein met him.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  About Daryl?

• 1:41:00Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, Epstein.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Oh, thank God. I thought you were about that. I think he's just such the best.

• 1:41:06Joe Rogan?

  I love Daryl too.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  About Epstein, he met him.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Dude, what the fuck? What did he say it was like?

• 1:41:13Joe Rogan?

  He said he had a girl on his lap while they talked. The girl was like 21 years old. And he, I think, I think he said she was Asian, I don't remember. But he said she was really beautiful. And she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her up and down while they were talking. So they're talking about finance and her boobs are juggling. So she's, he goes, she wasn't underage or anything, she was a woman. But she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her around and her boobs were bouncing in his face while they were, like, while they're trying to concentrate on whatever the fuck they're talking about.

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Some David Lynch shit right there, man. That's some David Lynch shit.

• 1:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  Just jiggling boobs in front of you, like, wow. That is so fucked up.

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  And Eric said, like, right away, his vibe was that this guy was a construct. Cause Eric is all like.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  What do you mean construct? What do you mean construct?

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Like a fucking agent.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:42:11Joe Rogan?

  This guy is, he was like, this guy does not come off as a financial expert.

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  Right. At all.

• 1:42:16Joe Rogan?

  And Weinstein is an economist.

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Dude, it's just.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  He's a mathematician, right? He worked for Peter Thiel, he was just, can you give me some of that coffee, brother?

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. Peter Thiel.

• 1:42:26Speaker 04

  He was a math teacher.

• 1:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Math teacher.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  My palantir hat.

• 1:42:29Speaker 04

  And then he became whatever he became.

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, uh, he's a, he's not a dumb dude at all. And if he thinks the guy was fake, like, right away, that's his instinct. Like, initially. I think the problem is a lot of those guys wanted him to be real because what fun. What fun, you get to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. Everybody thinks it was kids and it probably, there probably was a lot of that. Because I don't know what the actual accusations have been because the wildest thing about the Ghislaine trial is like, she went to jail for trafficking to who knows who. The fact that you could just put her in jail and you, like, who'd you traffic to? Like, none of that gets out in the trial at all? That's crazy. And they do it right in front of your face.

• 1:43:16Speaker 02

  That's fucking crazy, dude.

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  So you don't know what the, we hear it was underage girls. We know that there was, some of them were underage for sure. And then we also know that some of them were not underage. They were, they were young women. And you, you know, they all have, like, one of them wound up dying recently. One of them that's been a whistleblower died.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's, you imagine you're a young girl and you're fucking broke. And then you, you meet that guy and he invites you to go on a fucking island somewhere or party somewhere. And you're hanging out with all these fucking creeps. And then, years later, when all it starts coming out, what happened? You go public and you don't have any money.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  You don't have any money and you got these fucking billionaire sharks who want to take you out.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Because you sucked their dick.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Joe Rogan?

  Thirty years ago, or whatever it was. Yeah. That's fuck, that's gotta be terrifying. Lawmaker claimed the files included one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, one royal prince, one high-profile individual in the music industry, one very prominent banker, one high-profile government official, one high-profile former politician, one owner of a car company in Italy, one rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. We know these people exist in the FBI files, the files that you control.

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Fuck. Yeah, man. See, this, this right here, this, this is scary shit.

• 1:44:42Joe Rogan?

  Cause this is how communism gets started.

• 1:44:44Speaker 02

  This.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  This is when they, they attack, they realize like this is like indefensible. And it gets to the point where people are like, maybe Mom Donnie's right.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Dude, I mean, but that's, one thing that's beautiful about humans is that all of us agree, don't fuck kids.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Don't fuck kids.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  That's a beautiful thing. There, if you want to find the thing that, like, that, that connects all of us, it's we really want to keep our kids safe, we love our children. And so, if, as it turns out, and, dude, you guys, if you want to have a dark few days, listen to Marty Made's episode on the Epstein files. It's not what you, he, cause he goes, he has, he just points to other times the state has protected organized sex trafficking rings. Like, this isn't the first time this shit has happened. And so, if.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  That's the scary part. If all of us realize that we have been funding and voting for vampires, sex vampires, essentially.

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the DC Madam story?

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Is that the one that Charlie Sheen?

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  No, that was- No, no, no, no, that was LA.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  That was the lady who went to jail.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  I vaguely, I don't really remember it.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  The DC madam story was this lady got busted and she had a book filled with high-profile individuals from Washington that she and her ladies were servicing.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:46:18Joe Rogan?

  And then she committed suicide.

• 1:46:21Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it's a hard job. She probably was depressed. You know, DC's winters are tough.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  I bet those people are freaks. I bet they get down.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  Well-

• 1:46:32Joe Rogan?

  I bet they get down. I bet, I bet when-

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  Yeah!

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  When they're done with all that lawmaking bullshit, at the end of the day, a lot of them are young, a lot of them are just in it for, they can't believe they're-

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Hanging out at the real deal, they're-

• 1:46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  They're really a congressperson.

• 1:46:45Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  They're really a staffer.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  Listen, I don't mi- I like, I want my politicians to fuck.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Me do.

• 1:46:52Speaker 02

  I don't want them to be sexless fucking androids up there.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  They just want war.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Just don't fuck kids.

• 1:46:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  You know, like-

• 1:46:57Joe Rogan?

  But we need to know what actually happened, because maybe some of these guys just got prostitutes on that island. Maybe, you know, who knows what levels he was doing this at? There was probably a bunch of people that weren't depraved, but he wanted dirt on them, right? And then there's people that are depraved. Like, you've got probably multiple layers to what he was doing.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Okay, but here, here's the, here's, I mean, I think it's safe to say, and it's not even conspiratorial, the current system of how we elect our leaders is based on money. You need donors, right?

• 1:47:34Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:47:35Speaker 02

  So, that is a kind of legal bribery. You give enough money to this politician or that politician, and it's not like you own them, but they know you gave them all this money, and they know they want to run again. They also know that you've got your own constituents, and you have a lot of controlled network of bots that you could easily unleash on the internet. And, and so, I think it's a safe bet that more, it's highly likely that it's donors who are on that list and who are compromised for real, who are exerting massive amounts of pressure- On the federal government to not release those fucking files.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  But and it could be that it's an existential threat. It could be that it would cause so much tumult that it could lead to an actual uprising. It could lead to like a bunch of us with torches standing around the fucking castle, ready to burn the vampire out. And I think that that must be it because if I'm a career politician, dude, I don't want to vote against releasing something that is going. If there are monsters among us, we need to know. Dude, in my neighborhood, we got a scary ass fucking letter. Sex offender. If you're if you're just a basic bitch, sex offender, and you move anywhere in Texas, mass mail goes out with your picture on it and your fucking address. You know what I mean?

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  So why is it that there are these very same people who are working right now, who are out there, nobody knows, who are actual predatory pedophiles, and our government is protecting them?

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  That's the other terrifying thing about the open border. In the name of compassion and, you know, not stopping people from coming into the country. One thing that they think was a lot of it was sex trafficking in kids. Kids.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  Fucked up.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That there's there's truly evil people in the world, truly evil people in the world that want a child to do terrible things and they'll pay a lot of money to get one.

• 1:49:44Speaker 02

  Dude, this is why I go to Catholic mass now. I need like I.

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  It's like if you've never encountered real evil, you wouldn't believe that that would be possible. But then when you find out the numbers of kids that went missing.

• 1:49:56Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  That came across the border, the number of kids where they have no trace of them, they have no idea where they went. We're talking thousands and thousands of kids. Now, I'm not saying they all got sex trafficked. But I bet some of them did.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  Listen, man, it's evil.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  And if it's a person where there's no record of them, no one's gonna know they're missing.

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  You just.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  You could probably, there's probably some fucking dark, twisted motherfuckers that would give you a lot of Bitcoin for something like that.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  Dude, I mean, this is the thing, man.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  That's so scary.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  You see those gazelle out there, you see the gazelle out there, there's lions around. Somehow, they're all common shit, just eating. They've had their kids dragged off by the lions. They go back to normal because they don't have long-term memory like we do. So they don't get freaked out. But it's like, what we're talking about here is the lions. We, like, they're, like, you have to acknowledge, and it's uncomfortable to acknowledge it, and I don't think people acknowledge it enough, there is actual evil in the world. There is an omnipresent force in the world. And this is what I love in the Bible when they say it's powers and principalities. There is a, I don't know what you want to call

• 1:51:13Speaker 02

  it, an egregore, I guess you could say, a kind of connective embodiment of what it means to be off the path, what it means to be selfish, what it means to be self-concerned, what it means to rationalize hurting other people. And that, that thing has a personality. It's out there, dude. It's fucking out there. And, and, and it gets, you know, I, like, you know, whenever you find yourself talking shit about yourself, whenever you find yourself really down on yourself, or whenever you find yourself really, like, you know, like, thinking the things that would lead you to killing yourself, that is contact with what

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  I think is, for lack of a better word, a demonic entity. It beckons everyone towards self-destruction. It beckons you towards self-destruction. I don't know why, I don't know why it's into that shit. I just.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  I think it's into, I think there's always gotta be a battle. I think there always has to be this battle in order for good to prevail and advance. It has to have some sort of conflict.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  It has to be involved in this, this push and pull, this yin and yang. They've known about it forever.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:33Joe Rogan?

  You can't ever get to perfect peace. It's not gonna happen, you know? And the pursuit of it is crazy. It's like you can get to individual peace. That's what's beautiful. What's beautiful is individual, there's, I don't remember whose the quote was, but there's this one, one of those cool looking Indian guru dudes. And he said, uh, enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.

• 1:52:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, that's, that's an actual, that's tantric Buddhism.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's a good thing to think of, that you can get to a place where you, and I don't mean enlightened like better than everybody else, but you're free of all the bullshit. You're free of all this.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  Self-induced hypnotic gaze on TikTok and Instagram reels and arguments on X and threads and fucking blue sky if you're really gone.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  And you can just be a person and just exist and be in tune with life and with nature and with the people around you. And maybe get out of the city.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:53:39Joe Rogan?

  Maybe back out a little bit, get to someplace that's nice and calm, live with like-minded people.

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Slow down. And, and recognize that a lot of what people are wound up about is bullshit. A lot of it is nonsense.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of it is being forced on you because they want you to be wound up and you don't have to do that. You can't, you don't have to push further and further away from people who disagree. Move closer and closer and talk to them. That's what everybody needs to do. We need to stop this antagonistic us versus them mentality. That's why, like, I feel, I always feel politically homeless. Always. I really do. I feel like a complete political outcast on both sides.

• 1:54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, same.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  It's just I don't want to align with parties. I don't think that's smart. But I do think there's good choices and bad choices for how to run a government based on what I've seen for the bad choices, you know, the results, like Portland. Where you're like, this is a bad choice. Like, what you guys are doing is a bad choice. You know, and maybe when you get to a certain number of people and a certain number of mental health issues. Yeah, like, like if you try to take over LA right now, you know? Imagine if you had to be the mayor of LA today. Like, good luck, bitch.

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  No thanks.

• 1:54:59Joe Rogan?

  Good fucking luck. You have so many things on your docket, so many things you have to handle, and you've got a hundred thousand homeless people.

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  A hundred thousand.

• 1:55:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that'd be all of California.

• 1:55:11Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Either way. It's a fuckload. You got a, let's call it a fuckload. You got a fuckload of insane homeless people on your street, and you gotta figure out how to clean it up. And you've already spent 23 billion on it. And no one can figure out where that money went.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  They spent 23 billion making the homeless problem worse. Imagine if that was any other job. Imagine if you fucking brought your car to get it fixed.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  You spent 500 bucks, it came out, it's still fucked up.

• 1:55:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Joe Rogan?

  It's more fucked up than it was when, like, what did you do? Well, just give me some more money and I'll make it better. Like, hey, man, you said you were gonna fix this. You said 500 bucks, I gave you the money. This is fucked up now, beyond repair.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:55:50Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. It's beyond repair. It's like you would have to do some sort of radical Republican Rudy Giuliani-type shit, back when he cleaned up New York.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  This is where I go to, I've probably yapped about it on this podcast before, my favorite Jack Kornfield quote, "Tend to the part of the garden you can touch."

• 1:56:10Speaker 02

  Because what happens is it grabs your mind. Now I'm thinking about city politics in Portland.

• 1:56:16Joe Rogan?

  That's a beautiful quote.

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  It's a profound quote and it's in all of these things invite you to tend either to the entirety of the garden or a part of the garden that you will never go to.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  And it also requires you to have an opinion publicly on a lot of things. If you get involved in a community of people who have opinions publicly on things, you are required to chime in Duncan.

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:56:40Joe Rogan?

  Duncan, you're awful silent on

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  What do you need me to say?

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  The human rights violations

• 1:56:43Speaker 02

  I hate them.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  In

• 1:56:45Speaker 02

  Where?

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Yemen.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course, fuck those Yemen.

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what's happening in Myanmar?

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know it's bad.

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Probably backed by the CIA.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  Well, fuck them. Yeah, exactly. You and so you get into group think, you get locked into this thing and because humans, we do like to to to move together. We like to dance together. We like to to we like to party together, but we love to get into groups. We're designed to.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  We love it.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  We love it.

• 1:57:14Joe Rogan?

  Love to be a part of a tribe.

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  And then what happens is the the your human compassion gets hijacked. That's where it gets fucked up. It gets hijacked and it's like, most people legitimately want to help. And then it's like, okay, I'm going to tell you how you can help. And some charismatic person starts leading you down a path where you really legitimately wanted to help. Fuck, yeah, I want diversity. You better believe I do. And equity. I want everyone to have a fair shot and inclusivity. Yeah, it's I was bullied when I was in, God, when they were picking sports team, it wasn't wasn't fun for old D Trussell, let me tell you that. Nobody wanted the Trussell on their team because I can't catch shit. So, so, yeah, I would like to fix that.

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  The next thing you know, you know, it's, it's, it's the same model that happens with all kinds of cults. The next thing you know, you end up. Having to start subscribing to shit maybe you don't agree with. And that happens on the right too.

• 1:58:13Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  There's another set of like, yeah, fuck, I don't want big government. Like, no, I mean, it just seems like it's like bureaucracy. We could, we should-

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  Next thing you know, the Ten Commandments are in schools. And you're like, slow down.

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  Dude-

• 1:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Why are they in public schools?

• 1:58:27Speaker 02

  My, my, I just had-

• 1:58:28Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  This guy Raghu Markasan, and he was talking about, someone on his podcast told him, why don't, why is it the Ten Commandments and not the Sermon on the Mount? Like, you know what I mean? If we're gonna put something there, like, I think it's Danny Goldman said that. If we're gonna put something there, why not put blessed are the meek? Blessed are the peacemakers? You know, why are we put, like, if we're, if we're doing Bible shit, let's do Sermon on the- On the Mount.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  I think they want rules. This is God's rules. Look, God's rules, it's on the wall, it's in a piece of vinyl that was, uh, was printed. Here it is.

• 1:59:08Speaker 02

  I mean-

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  It's laminated.

• 1:59:10Speaker 02

  It, it, it definitely is, like, if you, like, only because if we're, if we're going to sort of look at like the, like Christianity as the sort of like, um, the, the flower growing from that entire, um, lineage. It, it does seem like there's just, that, the idea was that Jesus comes around as a kind of like, evolution of these principles. Like, also as a kind of like, God, like, God is like recognizing, like, that, that the whole flood thing wasn't maybe the best move and there's a, you know?

• 1:59:52Speaker 02

  And it was also a kind of like, it, it, it, it lays out a, a really revolutionary, I think, a really revolutionary way to live in the world, which is- Meeting violence with non-violence. That's crazy. That's crazy, but it does disrupt the whole cycle. The cycle depends on.

• 2:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  You know.

• 2:00:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's a new, totally unique voice.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Muhammad was a warlord, right?

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Jesus was a man of ultimate peace.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  In a time of ultimate chaos.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine living 2,000 fucking years ago?

• 2:00:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, and some dude comes along, love your brother as you would love yourself? Like, what are you talking about?

• 2:00:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  We're at war here.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  Shut the fuck up.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Shooting arrows at each other and shit. The fuck are you talking about?

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Or saying you don't need a priest class?

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  And then, you know, the Romans are in charge and everyone knows how fucking brutal they were. And this is all going on while.

• 2:00:43Speaker 02

  Occupied city.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  It's fucking occupied city. It's occupied by a great empire. People are pissed off. They want a revolution. They want to fight back against the fucking Romans. Here's this very charismatic person who can reach into a tomb and pull out dead people and curing people's blindness by spitting in his hand, rubbing mud in his hands and putting it on their fucking eyes, curing lepers. And you're like, come on, baby. All you gotta do is tell us to fucking overthrow these Romans. If you can raise the dead, I bet you can throw fireballs. You know what I mean? And then the answer is like, uh, to all of that is like, no. No. We're not doing that shit. And then what happens? You get murdered and.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get murdered in front of everybody.

• 2:01:28Speaker 02

  It's a beautiful, beautiful thing and it really, to me, it's like, God, this is just the medicine for the times, man. It's just the medicine for the times because, holy shit, like, the last.

• 2:01:42Joe Rogan?

  This is our default mode, Duncan.

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  Uh, you mean the bangs and the.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  And I think the, there's two things that really accentuated it. The algorithm for sure, but also the lockdowns. I think the lockdowns shifted a lot of people. I think it broke, I genuinely think they broke a lot of people psychologically. And it made people just a little less kind, you know? They got real used to being hostile. And that was the other tribal thing, like the vaccinated, the unvaccinated. And unfortunately, most people were required to get vaccinated because they have jobs, they have to travel, or whatever it is. You know, a lot of people reluctantly. But, you know, it made us like more tense and more shitty.

• 2:02:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  It's like, this is not 2016. 2016 was a fun time. It was silly. Like, it was different, you know? It wasn't so overwhelmed by constant strife. You know, the woke stuff had not reached its apex of ridiculousness. It was, we were just, you know, we were silly, but we were, you know?

• 2:02:49Speaker 02

  People are getting a little weird.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't terrible. And then, when 2020 came around, man, and they started having those George Floyd riots, and they were lighting cop cars up in LA, I was like, okay.

• 2:03:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:03:03Joe Rogan?

  This is where we're going. We're going in this direction. This is really not good.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  Not good.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Really not good.

• 2:03:10Speaker 02

  Not good.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  And the division has just like never been wider. The division between the right and the left in this country, the division in a lot of ways between black people and white people. And the narratives that you get in the news are just feeding into that over and over and over again.

• 2:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, man.

• 2:03:28Joe Rogan?

  And then the way people react to things in the news, like the way that lady who got stabbed in Charlotte on the train, you know that lady?

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Ukrainian lady. She's a refugee from Ukraine. She escapes the war and just gets randomly stabbed by some guy who had gotten out multiple times. And he had been treated in a rehab center that one of the... Find the story behind that. Because I want to know, like, there's some accusations that I don't know if they're necessarily true. I don't want to say it, but... The whole thing is this guy had been doing horrible shit and getting out of jail over and over and over again, and then he stabbed this lady on the train.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  And he's one of like countless examples of that happening. That keeps happening. People who you easily could have rehabilitated or at least kept out of the public zone, keep getting released and doing these fucking things.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  And it's almost like, again, if you want to destroy society, you would make people terrified. You would cause massive amounts of crime and then you would offer a military solution to stabilize it all.

• 2:04:38Speaker 02

  The two, I just had Bishop Robert Barron on my podcast.

• 2:04:42Joe Rogan?

  You had a bishop on?

• 2:04:43Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I had a bishop on and he's awesome. And let me tell you, after I had the bishop on, in my whole career of podcasting, people have never come at me. I've had Satanists on, I've had all kinds of, just Riley Reid, you know, I've had all kinds of people on my podcast. The only time I really started getting some shit was because I had a bishop on who said, everything he said was very sweet. And like, and I asked him right away, I was like, why are Christians the most persecuted people on the planet right now? Like Christians get fucked up. And he talked about it a little bit and then right after that, that Catholic fucking school,

• 2:05:26Speaker 02

  that Catholic at mass, at mass, that fucking trans shooter came, just shot people while they were praying. And then Charlie fucking Kirk gets shot. And then not to mention all over the world, like Christians getting slaughtered. And, and, but his answer to it was so measured and like, whoa dude, like I'm more perturbed and I've been to mass like maybe five times, but what he said, Satan, he said Satan is known as the accuser and the scatterer, the scatterer. And so if you want to identify what

• 2:06:07Speaker 02

  If you look at what's happening, and from those, using those terms, is it dividing? Is it scattering? If so, it's satanic, in the sense that it's turning neighbor upon neighbor, brother upon brother, son upon father, and it's scattering all of us, you know? It's like, what could be a cohesive human family is being just scattered to the fucking winds.

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you know about that? What country is it, Jamie, where there's a group of Christians are being slaughtered? There's a country where thousands of Christians have been killed.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so messed up.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:52Speaker 02

  It's so messed up.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  They're literally going door to door and killing Christians.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Yep. I mean, I think that, isn't that happening in Syria a little bit, too?

• 2:07:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what country this is, but this is like, recent news.

• 2:07:02Speaker 02

  Didn't a Catholic church get bombed in Palestine, too? I could be wrong about that.

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Jesus, slow down.

• 2:07:07Speaker 02

  I just, I...

• 2:07:08Joe Rogan?

  Really? That happened, too?

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Can you, I'm sorry, before...

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  But before, let's find out that. Find out that one first, before I forget.

• 2:07:15Speaker 02

  I could be wrong about the Palestine thing, I don't know.

• 2:07:19Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. This is, um, this is a recent thing that they were talking about.

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  Fifty thousand?

• 2:07:27Joe Rogan?

  But where, but is this one country? Oh, Nigeria. That's what it is, right, okay. So, can you scroll down? Is it fifty thousand in Nigeria?

• 2:07:37Speaker 04

  This is, so the government denies the claim.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  I'd deny the claim, too, if I was in the Nigerian government.

• 2:07:42Speaker 04

  It wasn't popping up when I was typing it.

• 2:07:43Joe Rogan?

  But is it just Ted Cruz saying this? Like, did he pull this number out of his ass? What I had heard, I don't know, I really don't know, but what I had heard was it was seven thousand, or somewhere around that. But maybe that was the beginning of it.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  Bill Maher says it's happening.

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, there you go. Um, since 2009, over 50,000 Christians in Nigeria have been massacred. 18,000 churches and 2,000 Christian schools have been destroyed. Holy fuck, man.

• 2:08:07Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. That's, that's like, I mean, we, we, we're, people are like going to Catholic churches and shooting people praying. Like, what the fuck?

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Listen to what they say. Um, Nigeria deserves solidarity, solidarity in its fight against terror, not careless rhetoric that fuels misunderstanding. This is the Nigerian president saying. Said the truth remains simple. Nigeria is not witnessing a Christian genocide. It is confronting terrorism that targets everyone.

• 2:08:37Speaker 02

  Christian terrorists. Nigerian Christian terrorists.

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  But is a similar amount happening to Muslim churches?

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't know.

• 2:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  You can Google like what?

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Put it into perplexity. Ask how many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009? That's a good, that's a good question.

• 2:09:01Speaker 02

  That's a good question.

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Solid question.

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  That's a good question.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  How many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009?

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  This is fucking cool.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  It's dope. Oh, well, you made up a number, bro. Can you fix it?

• 2:09:26Speaker 02

  Eric?

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Let's see.

• 2:09:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, significant destruction of mosques. Good question.

• 2:09:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, okay. There's been significant destruction of mosques in Nigeria, particularly due to Boko Haram insurgency and other violent conflicts. Boko Haram actively, uh, actively primarily, oh, active, excuse me, primarily in northeastern Nigeria has deliberately targeted both mosques and churches during attacks, killing worshippers and destroying places of worship.

• 2:09:59Speaker 02

  17,000 churches.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but what does it say about how many mosques?

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  It's the worst competition of all time.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. It says. Religious buildings destroyed hundreds of religious buildings, including mosques. Specific numbers indicate while 17,000 churches were destroyed since 2009, the destruction of mosques was also significant, with dozens of mosque attacks reported in various incidents by Boko Haram and related groups. That's a big difference, though.

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  Churches destroyed.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Dozens of mosques attacked, but 17,000 churches destroyed.

• 2:10:34Speaker 02

  17,000 churches destroyed.

• 2:10:36Joe Rogan?

  So it seems like they're all experiencing terrorism. That is true. But it is much more pointed in the direction of the Christians.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  Dude, I mean, this has to give you pause. Because, like, you know, any secularist out there, any anti-Christian person out there, and there's a surprising amount, a surprising amount horrified that I talk to this bishop.

• 2:10:58Joe Rogan?

  They think of it as the, in the worst aspects of Christianity that you see, right? Just like you think of Antifa as the worst aspects of being a progressive or a liberal. When you look at what Christianity is in America, it's a lot of things that are awesome, but it's also televangelists. It's these motherfuckers on TV talking to poor dumb people and conning them into sending $20 so that their bills are gonna be paid.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  True.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  They tell them that. They tell them, "If you give me, if you give me whatever you can give me, God has promised a tenfold return, a tenfold return. You give me $200, you will get thousands." And they just start going off. They just start going off. "Give me 10,000, I will bring you 100,000."

• 2:11:47Speaker 02

  But the problem, you know, listen, I get it, man.

• 2:11:50Joe Rogan?

  People are dumb and they fall for it, and then they think that this fucking guy who has this giant mega church, these people that have, they've got stadiums filled with their worshippers, they're flying around in private jets, driving in Rolls Royces. They think of that as Christianity, too. And then they think of the nutty people that believe in demons.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, the Satan-worshipping kind, and they think of all kinds of weird stuff when it comes to Christianity.

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  Dude, I get it. But that, to, this is, there's a, there's a scientific approach here that you could take, which is, go, go to, I can't believe I'm about to say this, go to a Catholic mass. And, and, and, the last, what's interesting is all the masses are the same around the planet. The last one I went to, you know what they were saying?

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  What were they saying?

• 2:12:36Speaker 02

  Help people, help the poor. You know what I mean? They weren't, there's, nobody's dancing around, no jet skis. There's no, you know what I mean? No guy in a glittery fucking vest. It was just, it was, it was really just talking about how important it is to help poor people. That's it! Some like, you know, some choir singing? Like, none of that was happening. And really, when you think about the fact that how many Catholic churches there are, that day on planet Earth, all the people representing all levels of economic status were being told, "You could do more to help poor people than you're doing right now." All over the planet.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's also connected to a lot of horrible stuff that was done to kids. And that's the problem with Catholic church, period.

• 2:13:28Speaker 02

  Dude, I talked-

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  And it's not, it's not all of them, but it's, there's a number of them.

• 2:13:34Speaker 02

  Fucked up.

• 2:13:35Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen that documentary, I think it's called "Here No Evil"?

• 2:13:41Speaker 02

  No, I haven't.

• 2:13:43Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what it's called. But it's essentially following one of these people.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Dude, it's horrible.

• 2:13:51Joe Rogan?

  It's so dark.

• 2:13:53Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  It's so dark, and it was, you know, like, that was one of the criticisms, the rightful criticisms about Ratzinger. He was involved in moving people around.

• 2:14:03Speaker 02

  Messed up.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, he was wanted for crimes against humanity by some country.

• 2:14:08Speaker 02

  But then you talk to Catholics about it, which I have, of course, and their response is never, like, defending it. They're all like, "Fuck that." Like, there's the other ideas that, like, Catholics all agree on, like, this or that. They fucking don't, and they hate it.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  But don't you think that it's kind of crazy to, if someone wants to be a priest, you can't have a life? You can't have a wife, you can't have a family, you can't, you have to be celibate. I think that alone, that rule that they instituted alone, made it kooky. It made it really crazy. Because like you're only inviting people to be a priest that are willing to go through that. Whereas you meet preachers. And you know, you go to a good church and there's a guy who's a preacher and he's a really charismatic person. He really believes in the Lord and he's good, just really entertaining. Got a wife and a family, tells stories about his family, like.

• 2:15:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot more normal and engaging and it makes more sense.

• 2:15:08Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 2:15:09Joe Rogan?

  The, this, this whole celibacy thing is crazy and it didn't, it was a rule. That somebody instituted because the priests were banging all the ladies. Cause they were fucking rock stars.

• 2:15:20Speaker 04

  They don't look at it as a rule, it's, they call it a discipline.

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:15:23Speaker 04

  That's how they officially, you have to be disciplined.

• 2:15:25Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, and, and.

• 2:15:26Joe Rogan?

  That discipline's nuts, cause for sure that discipline's being taken out on some people that didn't want it. And that's part of the problem. But then there's also like.

• 2:15:33Speaker 02

  That is messed up.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Secret babies that nuns have with priests.

• 2:15:36Speaker 02

  One of the popes, one of the popes. Do you know how I know it was one of the popes that had secret babies?

• 2:15:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  Because I talked to a priest about it and he was telling me.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  How many did he have?

• 2:15:44Speaker 02

  I don't know, I was like.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  A ton, I hope he had a fucking posse.

• 2:15:47Speaker 02

  I can't remember, but.

• 2:15:48Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts, it's nuts to require and it's gonna, it's gonna like, it's gonna attract sexual deviance.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, you gotta be careful out there, man. And it's like anytime there's hierarchy, anytime there's bureaucracy, anytime there's organization, especially anytime there's mysticism. It's gonna be infiltrated. That's an inevitability and, and, and my hope is.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they just opened it up where they said, listen, we're gonna drop that. You guys can have wives now. And those poor dorks gonna start dating at forty.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  Pfft, that's a good movie.

• 2:16:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it would be a good movie if they changed it and like a priest is like, I always wanted to find a wife and have a family before it's too late.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  Oh my god, no idea, I, I do agree with you though, man.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Never even seen a tit.

• 2:16:29Speaker 02

  You need.

• 2:16:29Joe Rogan?

  How about that?

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  You need.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  How about he's a real priest, like really, really, really got into it when he was young. Decided when he was a boy, I'm gonna keep my thoughts pure.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  It's gonna be wild.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  All for Jesus, never seen a boob.

• 2:16:41Speaker 02

  Aw dude.

• 2:16:41Joe Rogan?

  Never, never touched an erect nipple.

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  Never, never felt it, never.

• 2:16:47Joe Rogan?

  Never kissed a lady, she wants to kiss you back.

• 2:16:51Speaker 02

  Lapped up squirt.

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Poor boy.

• 2:16:55Speaker 02

  Dude, it's-

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Praying to Jesus, and then all of a sudden at forty, something comes along. Like Steve Carell in that movie. Forty Year Old Virgin.

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  Oh dude. It rea- I don't know, man, like, I don't, that part of it, to me, is always seem like, you know, how can you... This is the other thing, man, with the declining birth rates and people not being able to have ki- or not wanting to have kids because it's too fucking expensive. It's like, it's worrisome to me.

• 2:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:17:20Speaker 02

  Because ever since I had kids, you like, have a whole different connection to the world than when you don't have kids. And it humanizes you, it grounds you in the earth, all your chips are on the fucking table, man. And, and it's intense. And I do think, like, as a spiritual guide to people, I, I, it does make me scratch my chin. It's like, you have never been around a third trimester pregnant person who just found out there might be mice in the house. You don't know what that's like, man.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  Primal, right?

• 2:17:56Speaker 02

  Woo! You don't want to be around that, that's colly, man. You don't want to be around that. And all the other things that go around, along with being married and having kids, and all the heights and lows, and all the shit you learn about yourself. You, I do feel like you're, by not letting them have families, you are kind of keeping them out of this part of the, like, human experience that, that is really good for people. Like, you need that. You need to know what that's like. It's important.

• 2:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I agree, it helps you grow as a human. It changes your perspective on things. You know, one of the things that people always say, "I don't want to have kids." You know, I think bringing a child into this world today is, is a terrible idea. I'm like, people had people before they figured out doors. That's why we're here. We're here. People had babies on dirt floors in caves, and that's why we're here.

• 2:18:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why would you want to have a child today with all the fucking books and medicine and shit? Like, why would you want to do that? Why would you, with all the education and all the interesting people that are alive? Do you like people? I love people.

• 2:19:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  I could never be a hermit. I love people.

• 2:19:13Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  I love hanging out, like, I love having fun. I love meeting people that are fun. I love it. The only way that happens is if people make people.

• 2:19:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:24Joe Rogan?

  You have to make cool people.

• 2:19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Make cool people that other people want to hang out with.

• 2:19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:28Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, that sounds overly simplified, because it is. Yeah, for sure, there's some circumstances where that's not an option. And it's not possible, and you're, you're living in a fucking terrible state. A terrible state of life, right? You could be in the worst, most abusive environments, and that's the, the real problem in this world.

• 2:19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Is that we allow those places to exist while we think about things that are just bananas. Think about, like, wealth extraction and pulling stuff out of the ocean and figuring out how to do this and that, and spending all this money on this and that and defense and this and that, and then completely ignoring the people on your timeline

• 2:20:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  that are in life or death struggle through no fault of their own. They were just born into the wrong family, in the wrong neighborhood, in the wrong timeline. And they're fucked. And the only difference between you and them is you got lucky, and you were born in a good timeline.

• 2:20:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  And your life, you got lucky. You live with nice people. Yay!

• 2:20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  But they got fucked. And if we allow that to continue to happen, you're always gonna have the same kind of problems over and over and over again. There's gotta be a way to at least tilt that in a positive direction, and build on it, and actually have businesses that are financially incentivized for success.

• 2:20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, they make more money if people get jobs. They make more money if people get good grades. They make more money if they could figure out a way to transform crime-ridden, gang-ridden neighborhoods

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:07Joe Rogan?

  into places where people are thriving and happy.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  There's gotta be a way.

• 2:21:11Joe Rogan?

  There's gotta be a way.

• 2:21:11Speaker 02

  There's gotta be a way.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  If people exist, like that place that I was telling you about in Oakland, that video. Where they're driving through the shanty towns and then immediately they get to this totally clean environment that's, you know, run by different politicians. That this, it's, there's gotta be a way to do that. There's gotta be a way to engineer our society in a, in a more positive direction. There's gotta be.

• 2:21:34Speaker 02

  Dude, the first step is, is you've got to turn your back on the state. You cannot believe the state is gonna do this because I think people are waiting for a top-down solution.

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  They're waiting for a man, what's his name, the New York dude?

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Or they're waiting for someone to like, sign the right series of documents and everything's fine. It's, and, and meanwhile, they're like, in their fucking high-rise with crusted jizz on their belly, posting shit on Reddit. It's like, really, it's, this is gonna be all hands on deck. It's like, maybe the federal government is gonna figure out the perfect way to educate and house and clothe and all this stuff. And that'll be great, but in the meantime, every single one of us, every single one of us could do something. Not a big deal, not a big thing, but something. And instead of, it, like, it's like when they say, the, the government shut down, the

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  national parks, there's trash, I saw a picture, trash around a dumpster. And it's like, uh, any one of us could drive a truck up to that fucking dumpster and clean up that trash. Why are we waiting for the federal government to do this shit? That's the problem, is the federal government's got us all hypnotized into thinking, we need them to do these things. And I would, by the way, that'd be great. I think people living next to an open-air drug market slash mental asylum would be quite pleased if the taxes that they were paying went towards getting these people medical care somewhere far away from their apartment.

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:17Speaker 02

  Not gonna happen.

• 2:23:20Speaker 02

  You can count on it. So in the meantime, what do we do? And, and you know, that's, I, as I was like watching doom scrolling, looking at all the, like the Oakland videos and stuff. This dude's interviewing people out there, soup kitchens, giving out food. And boy, that'll make you feel like a piece of shit. This guy's just helping. This is nobody, this is like, you'll never, this guy's not filming themselves, taking fucking selfies, telling the stupid story of the time he gave a sandwich to someone with his kid like I did in the beginning. This is just people out there, they interview this guy. Why, why are you, why are you doing this? And he's like, I mean, it just seems like that's what you're supposed to do. It's so basic and simple and that.

• 2:24:02Joe Rogan?

  That exists.

• 2:24:03Speaker 02

  That exists.

• 2:24:04Joe Rogan?

  And that doesn't get highlighted. You don't get that in your algorithm.

• 2:24:06Speaker 02

  No, you don't get it in your.

• 2:24:08Joe Rogan?

  If you got more of that in your, your algorithm, you'd realize like, oh, there's good people out there still.

• 2:24:13Speaker 02

  And I'm one of them and you can help. Like, and you don't have to film it, you don't have to do it for any reason. And dude, the moment, we don't even know what would happen if, under the yolk of whatever the regime happens to be, instead of, instead of flapping our fucking like fireworks in front of ice. You know, if like all of us were just going out there and like, I don't know, I don't know, I can bear, I, I suck at all, most things dudes, but it's like, it's not that hard to like give water to people out there. And yeah, some of them are fucking terrifying. They seem like they're possessed by demons. I'm surprised you don't believe in demons, but, but, uh, but you know what?

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  It's not that I don't.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  You believe in demons?

• 2:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I'm agnostic on the possibility of demons. I definitely believe in good and evil though. I believe there's a, I believe evil thoughts can get into people's minds. And then if you follow that down a long life, you can get to a pretty evil place.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  That's how you get to a dictator.

• 2:25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think that's real. And I think especially if you're involved in evil acts. So say, imagine, and you start off in some sort of military. And you're in a foreign country and you're killing a bunch of people. And then you take over a town and then, you know, things escalate. And you continue your career doing horrible things for decade after decade. And then you start to get into power. And then you get into political power and then you start running the country. And then you overthrow the government.

• 2:25:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:47Joe Rogan?

  And then you become a dictator. And then you do horrible shit. Horrible shit. You're Saddam Hussein, right? You have, your sons are feeding women to dogs in the basement.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The real horrible, horrible, horrible shit.

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  That is, that is evil. Like, I had Jack Carr, the author, on the podcast yesterday.

• 2:26:09Speaker 02

  What did he write?

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  He wrote The Terminalist, that Amazon series. It's, uh, he's, he's a great. See, it's, uh, it's the one that Chris Pratt plays in that Amazon series.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  It's really good. But the books are amazing. He's, and he's a super fucking cool guy. Anyway, he said, you know, he went to those palaces, cause he was a SEAL. And he was in the war. And he went to those palaces and says, "You can feel the evil."

• 2:26:34Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  He said, "You feel it." He said, "Especially the kids, the sons."

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Uday and Qusay, they were monsters, serial killer monsters.

• 2:26:43Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Who were the sons of the dictator. They would find women while they were getting married. They would take the woman, they'd rape the woman and then feed them to their dogs. They had these dogs that they would feed people to.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, man.

• 2:27:00Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think that, that scene in Game of Thrones, like, do you remember that scene in Game of Thrones where he would do that? There was one of the evil dudes that cut that guy's dick off and he'd feed people to his dogs? That's a real thing, man. They, he really did that.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  That is 100% evil. Now, is that demons inside of him? I don't know.

• 2:27:26Joe Rogan?

  I tend to think, I tend to think evil is in all of us. It's just, does it get cultivated? And what cultivates it? What makes it, what makes it? You know, over time, over a long history of seeing and doing horrible things, I think you can get to a place of unbelievable evil. I mean, think about Genghis Khan. Think about what that guy did while he was alive, where he killed 10% of the population of Earth.

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:27:52Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if that's not evil, like, what is? Like, what is, what is it? I mean, they would, they would light people on fire and use them as catapults to light houses on fire. So they'd put them in catapults and launch corpses, flaming corpses. And they would land on these thatched roofs and start the houses on fire.

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  Right, right. Wow.

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  They would take people and they would kidnap them, right? So they would sack a town and they'd take all the people. And everybody that gave in and surrendered, they'd put them at the front of the line. And then they would start attacking the city. And all the people would just get crushed by the enemy. So by the time, they just pushed them forward. So they would get thousands of people in front of them and push them into a city. And those people are just getting hacked apart. Cause there's, there's people that are trying to stop the siege. And those are the people that are getting killed. And so they're like human shields. And then they're trampling over their dead bodies to destroy the entire city.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  If that's not evil, if that's not evil, like, what's evil? Like, to them, that was their destiny.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  And that happens.

• 2:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Genghis Khan, one of, one of his quotes was crazy. It was, you must have, I'm paraphrasing it, we could find it, I'm sure. "You must have done something horribly wrong for God to send me."

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  That was that letter to the Pope. Isn't that the letter he wrote to the Pope?

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, I don't know who he wrote it to.

• 2:29:17Speaker 02

  One of them wrote a real takedown letter.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find that. It's, but it's from, like, the, the, do you know that, what they know about the Mongols came from like one diary that they found in like the 1800s? Like, there was so little known about Genghis Khan. They don't know where he was buried.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  They still don't know.

• 2:29:35Joe Rogan?

  They have no idea. They killed, they killed the people that took him to there so that they couldn't tell. And then more people came and killed the people that killed the people.

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:44Joe Rogan?

  So that they couldn't tell.

• 2:29:45Speaker 02

  Right. I think, didn't they kill themselves after killing the people too? Like, it was just like...

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, something nutty like that. It's like, fucking wild.

• 2:29:53Speaker 02

  Fucking wild.

• 2:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But what is that quote that he had about God sending me? It's, when you think about who that motherfucker was, I mean, he's the motherfucker of all motherfuckers. I mean,

• 2:30:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:07Joe Rogan?

  The greatest warlord of all time. He is the, the GOAT.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 2:30:13Joe Rogan?

  To the point where people don't even consider him evil, right? You don't, people don't think of Genghis Khan as evil. You think of Hitler as evil. Right? But Genghis Khan is just this conqueror guy.

• 2:30:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:22Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, he killed fifty million people.

• 2:30:25Speaker 02

  So many people.

• 2:30:26Joe Rogan?

  He changed the carbon footprint of Earth. When they do, like, when they look at the carbon footprint of Earth, during his time, cities re-greened. You, it's, there's a noticeable amount.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  Because cities were destroyed and the, the, the nature just absorbed them and trees grew in their place. "I am the punishment of God. If you not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you."

• 2:30:56Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  "I am the punishment of God." Imagine if that's how you justify just wholesale slaughter of everybody in a city and stacking the bones up. Stacking the bones up so high that the Shah of Khirisma sent an envoy to go and talk to, uh, whoever was running Jin China. And along the way, they thought they saw a, a, like a, a snow-capped mountain. And as they got closer, they realized it was a stack of bones.

• 2:31:27Speaker 02

  God damn it!

• 2:31:28Joe Rogan?

  It was a million people. They killed a million people and stacked them in the middle of the city.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  God, that must have taken forever.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:31:35Speaker 02

  Whose job is that?

• 2:31:37Joe Rogan?

  Bro, they killed everyone. On the road, they had to abandon their wagons because the wagons were stuck in the muck of decaying people. They couldn't pull the wagons anymore because all the roads had deteriorated into muck.

• 2:31:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what? When you look back at shit like that, we're doing pretty good right now.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  We're doing pretty good.

• 2:31:58Speaker 02

  We're doing pretty good.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  But that, that is...

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  That is horrifying. You, that is...

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  If that's not evil, what's evil?

• 2:32:05Speaker 02

  Well, that is evil.

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  That's evil.

• 2:32:06Speaker 02

  That is evil. And that, what's, you know, what's interesting is people, I think, like, around the world, regardless of the culture that you're raised in, we all have a similar sense of evil versus good. That's where it gets curious. It's like, people, it seems like people have a sense of like, it isn't good, for example, to like, fuck a dog corpse. I bet you could go all around the planet.

• 2:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Most people say that's bad.

• 2:32:33Speaker 02

  Most people are gonna...

• 2:32:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't do that.

• 2:32:34Speaker 02

  Don't, don't fuck dog corpses. Like, if you see a dead dog, don't fuck its ass.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  And if you see that a guy's doing that, you go, "That guy's a problem."

• 2:32:41Speaker 02

  That guy's a problem. You don't...

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna have to take that guy out.

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  Don't hire him.

• 2:32:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:46Speaker 02

  And so, there seems to be built into us a sense of like, harmony and how to do it and what it looks like.

• 2:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  And then there's examples like you just described. It's like, that's one of the things we can also do.

• 2:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:58Speaker 02

  Whew, that would've been fun to be King of Khan though, right?

• 2:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Could you imagine being in that posse? And knowing what you're gonna do? And also just the fucking, the fact that some insane percentage of people worldwide have his DNA? Cause he had that many kids?

• 2:33:15Speaker 02

  Just fucking, when he's not killing, he's just fucking.

• 2:33:18Joe Rogan?

  That's all he lived for. He just lived to fuck and to kill.

• 2:33:21Speaker 02

  How did he have time to plan war?

• 2:33:23Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he was a brilliant strategist. That's what the crazy thing is. Like, they, they did a lot of sneaky shit. Like, they led people, they had like, small packs that would lead people into the mountains, and then they would have a giant pack of people waiting for them, and they'd just fucking come down off the hills and engulf them. They did brilliant shit, man. They waited people out.

• 2:33:42Speaker 02

  Is there a...

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  They drank the, the blood of their horses to stay... They ate their horses, they ate each other. Apparently, there was some cannibalism that was reported.

• 2:33:51Speaker 02

  Is there a movie, like, why haven't they made like a Game of Thrones style series?

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  There was one pretty decent movie, but in order for the movie to be realistic, it would have to be so hardcore.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:05Joe Rogan?

  And it would be really problematic, because it involves a lot of rape. There's a lot of rape and a lot of horrible, horrible murders. And one of the, one of the things they did was they, they had some rule where like with kings and emperors, they weren't allowed to like chop them up. So they would kill them in different ways, instead of like attacking them with swords or whatever they would do normally. They would do that, or sometimes they would just stack their bodies and then build a, like, a floor above them and eat on top of them until they crushed them to death. So they would build a platform over their bodies, just crush them with the weight of these timbers. These people would be moaning while they were eating.

• 2:34:47Speaker 02

  Do you think that's real?

• 2:34:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, that's documented.

• 2:34:52Speaker 02

  Wow, man.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the people that survived, that's one of the things they would also do, let some people survive to tell the stories.

• 2:34:58Speaker 02

  Jeez.

• 2:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Just run, tell everyone.

• 2:35:02Speaker 02

  And of course, like, if you're at that dinner, you're not gonna like complain about it.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Nope.

• 2:35:07Speaker 02

  You're not gonna say shit.

• 2:35:08Joe Rogan?

  You'd probably get off on it by now, you've probably been doing it for a decade. You've probably been killing people everywhere you go. They lived in felt tents and they were nomads. So they had no real home, and they went wherever the fuck they went, and everywhere they went, they killed everybody.

• 2:35:24Speaker 02

  Fuck. That is incredibly.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy story. And the story of, of Genghis Khan, his name was Temujin. He started off as a young boy and he had a brother that was a cocksucker. And his brother was like stealing his fish and beating his ass, and one day he killed his brother. And his mother freaked out and said, "You motherfucker, you devil," you know. He started off young is the point.

• 2:35:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Started off young.

• 2:35:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Weren't that, wasn't his family really poor?

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The whole stor- it's crazy. His mother had to run because his father was killed and his mother had to run. They barely survived. They were left out there to die.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  But don't people, I, I, he's sort of beloved.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. That's what's crazy.

• 2:36:08Speaker 02

  There's statues.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  There's statues of him in Mongolia. Yeah.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  But listen, he, historically, he was doing what everybody else was doing. He was just doing it better. They were all doing that. When the Shah of Charisma sent the envoy.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  Charisma? I thought I misheard.

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Charisma is a, was a country.

• 2:36:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:36:25Joe Rogan?

  It was the Charismian Shah. It doesn't exist anymore. What is it now? Is it like Syria or something? You know, a lot of those countries, they changed names. What is, what was Charisma? With a Q? Quarism? Quarism? Am I saying it wrong? I don't think it exists anymore. I'm sorry if it does. Might be one of them weird ones.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  Shah of Charisma.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  Um, but anyway, this dude was seeing like whether or not they could sack gin. You know, they were going to visit to see like, like, let's take a look and see what their defenses are like and we'll bring some fucking carpets and some nice stuff and give them a little gift and then come back and fuck them up. Like that was the standard move.

• 2:37:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:37:02Joe Rogan?

  And when they were on their way, they're like, the Mongols already got there and it was already too late.

• 2:37:06Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:37:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:08Speaker 02

  Holy fuck, man.

• 2:37:09Joe Rogan?

  If they had ever gotten into Europe, it would have been over.

• 2:37:12Speaker 02

  I thought they did get to Europe.

• 2:37:13Joe Rogan?

  No, but I mean, if they went into Italy.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  If they went into like Rome and the Vatican, it would have been over.

• 2:37:18Speaker 02

  Didn't he conquer more landmass than any other human? Like, didn't at some point they?

• 2:37:23Joe Rogan?

  I think that something like that. Uh, present day Central Asia, Afghanistan and Iran from zero, 1077 to 1231. Interesting. So that was the Charismian Empire.

• 2:37:37Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  So from 1077 to 1231, first is vassals of the, how do you say that word? Seljuk Empire and the Quara Kitai, Western Lao Dynasty, from circa 1190 as independent rulers up until the Mongolian conquest in 1219 to 1221.

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  Holy fuck.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  The Mongol, the Mongolians took them over.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Fucking took over everything, dude.

• 2:38:08Speaker 02

  This is why.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  They took over everything.

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  This is why I think people really get weirdly disturbed by Graham Hancock. Because it's, it's like, it's like, you don't wanna think about it. You don't wanna think about the fact that there are all these empires. Forget the Carismians. There's all these empires, no one knows what the fuck they were doing, or who they were, nothing. And they were just like us.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:38:33Speaker 02

  They were talking.

• 2:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:38:34Speaker 02

  Having conversations.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Sipping tea.

• 2:38:36Speaker 02

  Sipping tea.

• 2:38:37Joe Rogan?

  Having fun with their boys.

• 2:38:38Speaker 02

  Never thinking like, you know, at some point, people are gonna be staring at the ruins of our temples, scratching their chins.

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  Wondering what this means. Dude, that, to me, is another unifying thought. Or planetary unification is like, man, you guys, nobody to this day knows who built those fucking pyramids.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:39:00Speaker 02

  And they, they, if you are like, living around the pyramids, I doubt the thought ever crossed your mind. At some point, Mr. Beast.

• 2:39:14Speaker 02

  Mr. Beast is gonna be in there.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna film an episode of his YouTube show.

• 2:39:19Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? That never occurred to you.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  You know, I almost went with him.

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  Mr. Beast?

• 2:39:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I almost went during that trip. Because I couldn't, I couldn't swing it.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  Ah, damn dude, you, that's, ah, that sucks, you should've.

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  But also, I didn't wanna do it that way. Uh, if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it for quite a few days, and I'm gonna do it with like, an expert, like a Ben, you know, from Uncharted X.

• 2:39:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, one of those dudes, or Graham, if Graham has the time, I know he's very busy, but he goes there all the time.

• 2:39:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  I would do that. But, what do you think about those structures underneath?

• 2:39:53Speaker 02

  I pray that they're real.

• 2:39:54Joe Rogan?

  Did you see Van Kirkwick's video? The video about the labyrinth?

• 2:39:58Speaker 02

  Uh, can we wa- I just, no, I just read that-

• 2:40:02Joe Rogan?

  I had him on the podcast. There's labyrinth that they've discovered that are underneath, that are historic. Herodotus talked about them. He said they're greater than the pyramids. The structure underneath some of the pyramids. Greater than the pyramids and through this ground penetrating radar, they've found a 40 meter long metallic Tic Tac shaped object that is in this great hall that's under the ground.

• 2:40:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:40:31Joe Rogan?

  So all this stuff exists, but they, they made a dam on the Nile River in the 1960s to help agriculture and it changed the water table and it flooded all these underground labyrinth.

• 2:40:45Speaker 02

  God fucking damn it.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  So, they would ha- it's like a massive undertaking to try to excavate and figure out what's in there.

• 2:40:52Speaker 02

  But couldn't you put a drone, like a submersible?

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, it's all in water. You have to actually go through the water and then below that to where the labyrinth are.

• 2:40:59Speaker 02

  Dig through the mud.

• 2:41:00Joe Rogan?

  They might actually be able to channel underneath that they think and go below the water table and then go to it because it appears like the water's not in the labyrinth itself.

• 2:41:10Speaker 02

  Labyrinth.

• 2:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Labyrinth, sorry. Thank you. But whatever it is, there's a 40 meter long metallic object of unknown origin that's the shape of a Tic Tac that's in there.

• 2:41:22Speaker 02

  This is real?

• 2:41:22Joe Rogan?

  This is real.

• 2:41:23Speaker 02

  Like, cause I-

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  Forty meters dude, this guy is so legit. Ben is, Uncharted X is a fantastic YouTube channel.

• 2:41:31Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 2:41:31Joe Rogan?

  And this is all like real science, it's the same kind of science that they're using to figure out what the fuck is under the Great Pyramid, all those, those weird poles.

• 2:41:40Speaker 02

  I thought that was debunked, I was disappointed by that.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  No, it's not debunked, not at all. No, the images have been verified multiple times. They don't know what it is, but there's some structure underneath the pyramid.

• 2:41:52Speaker 02

  See, this-

• 2:41:53Joe Rogan?

  Those columns are real. There really are columns underneath the pyramids. And it really does go down deep into the earth. They just don't know what it is. But the same technology, they've observed all of the different, like, where they know where there's special chambers that are sealed off. They know where those things are. But they saw it with the radiotomography. They also were able to use it to identify temples that were 25 and 50 feet underground. So it's accurate.

• 2:42:18Speaker 02

  Give me a fucking break, man.

• 2:42:20Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:42:20Speaker 02

  I, I, cause like, I was so excited when that came out. I'm like, I knew it. I've seen it on Ketamine. And then-

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Ahhh! Did you? What'd you see?

• 2:42:30Speaker 02

  It's hard to explain. It's like, uh, structures.

• 2:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Underneath the pyramids?

• 2:42:35Speaker 02

  Let me reiterate. This was in the K-hole.

• 2:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:37Speaker 02

  But it was like vast cavernous spaces with structures in it. And you know, the weird thing about Ketamine is it's kinda like you're being given a tour and then you sort of, it's like a viewfinder.

• 2:42:51Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you remote viewed.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  Maybe I remote viewed. It was very exciting to see.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  And it was under the pyramids?

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  It was under the pyramids. But I must say, the next thing I saw was like a city being powered by meat. So, it's not exactly like, like, my remote viewing is-

• 2:43:07Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's what they're gonna do with the homeless problem.

• 2:43:09Speaker 02

  Ohhh! And Joe Rogan solves the homeless problem.

• 2:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's what the alien agenda is.

• 2:43:16Speaker 02

  Well, I mean-

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  They power the ci- they looks, "We'll take care of your problems."

• 2:43:19Speaker 02

  Dude, this is real- I am not comfortable with this comet atlas.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:43:27Speaker 02

  And, and like, you know, the-

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  We've got Avi Loeb coming on to talk about it.

• 2:43:30Speaker 02

  He's ama- I had him on my podcast a long time ago. He put up with my ass.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people in the beginning were saying that it's bullshit, it's a comet, why's he saying this? He's risking his reputation. But then as time's going on, they go, "Whoa, this is weird. This thing's really weird."

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  Well, it's the, what, okay. First of all, it's important to note that one thing that titillates my- dumbass is it just so happens the government shutdown coincides with when we could use the satellites on Mars to get pictures of that fucking thing so we're not getting pictures they did release a picture of it yesterday

• 2:44:02Joe Rogan?

  the government shutdown is stopping us from getting pictures of this thing?

• 2:44:06Speaker 02

  yes, yes

• 2:44:08Joe Rogan?

  that's insane

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  that's insane now

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  that's so insane they should open that up

• 2:44:12Speaker 02

  I mean it seems like they that just that's really weird there are did you see the images that just came in though the Europeans

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  yeah

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  got an image of it

• 2:44:21Joe Rogan?

  it's weird looking

• 2:44:22Speaker 02

  it's weird looking but I don't know what a comet looks like so

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what a comet looks like and I don't know why it's weirder than other comets

• 2:44:27Speaker 02

  but it does seem like it's going it's like rolling in a weird way but it's the it's the gas right it's like it's what it's releasing is the weird part

• 2:44:35Joe Rogan?

  well the weird part is coming from the same part of the universe where the wow signal came from

• 2:44:39Speaker 02

  yeah that's weird

• 2:44:41Joe Rogan?

  that's weird

• 2:44:41Speaker 02

  that's fucking weird dude

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  that's weird cuz that wow signal what it was like 70 seconds long some very strange coded signal it was 70 seconds long

• 2:44:51Speaker 02

  you know what else is weird is Jeremy Corbell said a bunch of people are gonna start saying there's a mothership coming to earth and don't believe him remember he was saying that?

• 2:44:58Joe Rogan?

  yeah what's that all about why did he know that?

• 2:45:01Speaker 02

  I don't know

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  you gotta tell people why you know something like that you can't just say that

• 2:45:06Speaker 02

  well I

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  you know what I mean like how do you know how do you know that's not really a mothership? how do you know they're gonna say it's a mothership?

• 2:45:13Speaker 02

  well Corbell he's gotta do this tightrope walk because somehow he does have inside con- context but if he says too much he he puts his whole life in danger

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  it's so it's a spy TV show dude so much of it seems like a spy TV show so much of it seems like a well-written psy-op

• 2:45:33Speaker 02

  it's so weird

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  yeah

• 2:45:35Speaker 02

  it's so weird

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a slow trickle of disclosure it's a slow recognition that we're not alone and that they've calculated that the only way to do this and not disrupt society entirely you know how put off do you know who is?

• 2:45:49Speaker 02

  yeah

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  do you know that story about how when he was George Bush the original Herbert Walker? he wanted to disclose and that what they were gonna say was we have recovered crashed UFOs that we have back engineered and we have biological entities there are things that are not of this world and they're far more intelligent than us Brought in a bunch of scientists and a bunch of scholars and I wanted you, I want you to write down on the positives and the negatives of society, like the societal impact of disclosure. And give a numerical value to what is gonna do the financial world, what is gonna do the religious world, what's gonna do to government. And at the end, they all had the same conclusion. The, the, the cons far outweighed the pros in terms of disruption of society.

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  So they decided not to release it.

• 2:46:38Speaker 02

  Dude, what the fuck?

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that wild? Like, they almost did that, what was that, George Bush? It was like ninety, nineteen ninety, maybe?

• 2:46:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really weird, like.

• 2:46:46Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  If our entire society depends on protecting billionaire pedophiles and not talking about aliens, then maybe we need a new society. Just maybe, this is a fucked up society.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Or this is a good time for Jesus to come back.

• 2:47:04Speaker 02

  Perfect time, always a good time.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Also perfect because you'd have to really believe. Because with AI today, you don't know what the fuck is going on. So you'd have to really believe. Or, Jesus comes through AI.

• 2:47:18Speaker 02

  Well, it's possible. It is possible. I mean.

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  That's the portal that opens up.

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  That's the, that's the Christ, or the Antichrist.

• 2:47:27Joe Rogan?

  And the Christ consciousness. Oh, well, come on, Duncan. Really, the Antichrist?

• 2:47:31Speaker 02

  People are gonna buy more tickets.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Trying to bring this baby home.

• 2:47:33Speaker 02

  People are gonna buy more tickets to my movie.

• 2:47:36Joe Rogan?

  It's true.

• 2:47:36Speaker 02

  Nobody wants to.

• 2:47:37Joe Rogan?

  It's true, nobody wants to see the, it all works out in the end movie. Fuck that. The battle for Satan. Dun, dun, dun.

• 2:47:45Speaker 02

  Listen, man. Well, I thi- I think that, uh, I think I'm, here's a cheesy way to end it.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:47:54Speaker 02

  I feel so lucky I'm your friend, man. You're the coolest. I was thinking about it the other day. You're one of my, you're one of my oldest friends. I've known you for so long, man.

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  I know, we've known each other a long time.

• 2:48:05Speaker 02

  It's fucking cool.

• 2:48:06Joe Rogan?

  I love you to death, man.

• 2:48:07Speaker 02

  I love you too.

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  I'm very happy that we're friends too.

• 2:48:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the best, man.

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  It is. And it's funny because we became friends, really, uh, talking on the phone when you were the guy taking the phone calls for availability. This is the Comedy Store.

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  We did this on the phone.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we basically did. We started talking. You would like tell me, "Man, have you heard about this?" I'm like, "No, what is it?"

• 2:48:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:29Joe Rogan?

  We'd have these long ass conversations on the phone. Yeah.

• 2:48:32Speaker 02

  Sometimes hours. Hours.

• 2:48:35Joe Rogan?

  It really was like podcasts back then. Long before we ever went on the road together.

• 2:48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking cool, man. Yeah.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm glad you're here, man.

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  Well, likewise. Likewise. Thank you for having me on, Joe.

• 2:48:46Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure, brother. It's always fun. Always fun to hang out with you. Uh, if you're around tonight, come do the show. If can you. Are you out?

• 2:48:52Speaker 02

  I can't because I gotta wake up at four, like 3 a.m. to fly.

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, where you going?

• 2:48:56Speaker 02

  Uh, tomorrow I'm headed to Tacoma. Oh, can I say some dates?

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:00Speaker 02

  Shit, I always forget, dude. You've got the most popular podcast on earth.

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  You're in Tacoma this weekend? Where you at?

• 2:49:07Speaker 02

  Hold on. Let me, I Googled it because I've been on the road so much.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Tacoma's fun.

• 2:49:11Speaker 02

  Well, when does this come out?

• 2:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Tomorrow.

• 2:49:12Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  Tacoma!

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Tacoma, coming in hot.

• 2:49:16Speaker 02

  Tacoma. I'm gonna be in, uh, Portland.

• 2:49:19Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 2:49:20Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Tacoma Comedy Club. I heard that's an awesome spot.

• 2:49:24Speaker 02

  The Omaha Funny Bone.

• 2:49:26Joe Rogan?

  I heard that's an awesome spot too. Portland Helium is, oh boy, you're going right to the belly of the beast.

• 2:49:31Speaker 02

  I'm excited!

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, perfect for your comedy.

• 2:49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Nice. Richmond Hearts. Oh, they got a Richmond one too. Nice.

• 2:49:38Speaker 02

  And then.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  All of it is available at dunkintrussell.com/tour.

• 2:49:44Speaker 02

  My man. Thank you, Joe. Love you.

• 2:49:46Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 2:49:47Speaker 02

  Bye!

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