#378 - Nuclear Warfare Officer: Something Disturbing Is Controlling Our Nukes | Robert Salas

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Robert Salas is a former weapons controller who commanded intercontinental ballistic missiles as a launch officer, and a worked as an Air Force missile propulsion engineer on the Titan III program. In 1967 Robert experienced the shutdown of several nuclear-tipped ICBMs, supposedly caused by the mysterious appearance of an extraterrestrial UFO. SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Robert's YouTube channel - @gianthead3 Robert's latest book: https://a.co/d/05UQoY6C FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Nuclear launch officer role at Malmstrom base 04:48 - The process for launching a nuke 09:32 - Iran and current nuclear war threat 17:56 - Israel nuclear program 23:37 - What happns after you launch a nuclear warhead? 26:51 - 1967 UFO events over the launch control center 35:21 - Other missile bases reporting similar events 44:24 - When Robert chose to talk about the events 54:25 - The Boeing investigation 58:25 - Condon investigation to whitewash the UFO events 01:07:24 - Wall Street Journal Discredit attempts 01:14:49 - Figel audio recording at Echo Launch facility 01:18:28 - Other members afraid to go public 01:23:15 - Trumps "UFO FIles" 01:25:53 - Nuclear and UFO activity still occurs 01:31:00 - Government power and control of the UFO tech Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:44Danny Jones?

  All right, Bob. A pleasure to meet you, man. Thanks for coming.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  My pleasure. Good trip.

• 1:50Danny Jones?

  You have a fascinating backstory. So you worked at a nuclear base called Malmstrom in the 60s. Is that right?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:01Danny Jones?

  And why don't you explain what your job was there at that nuclear base?

• 2:09Speaker 02

  Okay, my job, I was trained as a nuclear launch, uh, well, a missile launch officer. It turned out to be, of course, nuclear weapons. And at Malmstrom at that time, we had the Minuteman one. Now it's, I think, the Minuteman three, but Malmstrom is still operating as a strategic missile base.

• 2:32Danny Jones?

  Today it is.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Today, yes.

• 2:34Danny Jones?

  And what specifically was your job description there?

• 2:38Speaker 02

  So, basically, uh, we were trained to monitor and launch missiles if given the order, of course, um, and, uh, and prepare for, uh, you know, nuclear war, basically.

• 3:03Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:05Danny Jones?

  What sort of psychological evaluations do you have to go through to have your hands on the nuclear button or have control over these nuclear weapons?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  You know, I don't think I'm the right guy to answer that. I know we were evaluated on a regular basis as to, uh, you know, were, were we in the right,

• 3:33Speaker 02

  I don't know how to put it, uh, frame of mind or, uh, disposition to have that responsibility? And of course, whether or not we're, uh, maintained our training

• 3:49Speaker 02

  on, on what to do under certain circumstances.

• 3:52Danny Jones?

  Like, what I'm trying to get is there, was there like a specific type of person they were looking at to be working at this nuclear site? Like, did you have to report like any sort of drugs or medications or anything like that? That might alter, alter your state of mind or your mental well-being? Because I mean, I imagine this is like extremely important job.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was an important job, um, but I don't recall any specifics that we, or requirements that we had to do, um, uh...

• 4:30Speaker 02

  So, of course, we did have an office of special investigations there. And they would monitor us. And of course, we would be, we would have to be checked from time to time. By that, I mean the checked out on the equipment and any modifications.

• 4:52Danny Jones?

  And so, the minute, how many missiles were you in control of at that, at that base? How many, there were inter ICBMs, right? Intercontinental ballistic missiles?

• 5:05Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 5:05Danny Jones?

  Minutemen?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, Minutemen. Well, we had control of 10 at each of the, what we called, launch control facilities. And we had about 15, that I recall at the time, of Minutemen I. So, we had a total of about 150 of these. Minutemen I missiles at the ready, ready to go at any time.

• 5:36Danny Jones?

  And was there any type of daily or weekly, sort of like, routine maintenance you had to do on this stuff? Or, like, how did it work?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  I wouldn't say it was daily. Every now and then, they'd, they'd have a mod or some replacement of a part they needed to do or improvement program. But this was not a daily occurrence.

• 6:07Danny Jones?

  You have to have, like, super top secret clearance to work at one of these sites, right?

• 6:11Speaker 02

  We had above top secret clearance.

• 6:14Danny Jones?

  Above top secret?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:15Danny Jones?

  So, it's Q level clearance? Is that what it's called?

• 6:18Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna go into that too much. What, I'll just tell you, it was above top secret.

• 6:24Danny Jones?

  Right. So, yeah, yeah. So, in the event of like, a nuclear exchange, either...

• 6:33Danny Jones?

  We launch a rocket first or another country launches rocket at us or an intercontinental ballistic missile with, you know, warheads on it against us. Like, what is the level of readiness for a guy like you working at Malmstrom in the 60s, in the mid 60s? Like, is there a protocol, is there a procedure that you guys have to rehearse every day or every week or whatever? Or, or like, what's, how does that work? Say that you guys get like a red alert or something like this and there's like an incoming missile. How important are you guys on the scale of all of the nuclear capabilities we have in the country?

• 7:18Danny Jones?

  Like, from the airplanes, the bombers, to the submarines, to the ICBMs, those are stationary, right? Those can't be moved. So those are probably the most vulnerable nuclear weapons that we have.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  So we had standard procedures on how to launch the missiles. We didn't have to prepare because we, we, we trained in that and we were checked out on how to do that and how quickly to do it. On a regular basis, we had these checks. And we didn't make any decisions about launching missiles. All those decisions would have been made higher up. We would have gotten a coded message, right? And I won't go into this very much, but it was simply a coded message to launch and

• 8:13Speaker 02

  we would launch. And we, those missiles would be in the air within seconds.

• 8:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  And we didn't have to, we didn't have to prepare the missiles in any way. These were solid fuel missiles. In other words, we didn't have to load fuel on them or anything like that. They were ready to go.

• 8:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the president has that nuclear football he travels around with, with like a menu, a Denny's menu. It's the way it's been described to me. It's like a Denny's menu of codes for strategies to...

• 8:45Speaker 02

  I will, I will say the...

• 8:49Speaker 02

  Even though it's not a specifically written policy, it's implied that the president could order a preemptive strike, preemptive meaning if it's the judgment of his security team that we are about to be attacked by nuclear weapons, he or she could decide to launch missiles ahead of that attack.

• 9:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Preemptively.

• 9:27Danny Jones?

  And then there's that whole like, are you familiar with the launch on warning? Is that what it's called? Have you heard of launch on warning? Which is a bit, from what I understand, is the idea that if we get some sort of signals, intelligence that there is a missile that has launched somewhere in the world, say, for example, North Korea, we have to empty our Minutemen silos in case those are being targeted because we can't risk losing them. Meaning that if we have intelligence that there's a nuclear missile that's been launched, right? And let's say it's only, I don't know how long, I don't know how long it takes, maybe 20 minutes for a nuclear missile to get across the world here. So maybe like two minutes after we get intelligence that a missile's launched.

• 10:11Danny Jones?

  Is it true that you have to launch those nukes from the Minutemen silos because they're stationary and they're super vulnerable?

• 10:18Speaker 02

  No, we had no standing orders like that. Of course, we, we don't have the latest intelligence where we were.

• 10:26Danny Jones?

  Right, well, you guys are just the guys who are pulling the trigger, right?

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 10:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's other people making those decisions.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. We didn't make any decisions like that. And we wouldn't know if a missile had been launched or not, but we did have early warning system.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  What's it called? Well, NORAD, North American Defense System would detect that and now it's augmented by satellites, probably. Would detect launches and then it'd be up to somebody up the line to make the decision to launch, for us to launch.

• 11:09Danny Jones?

  Makes me wonder how, I always, you know, the Cold War is so interesting because, you know, that was a pivotal point in history when warfare sort of changed forever and it started, it started moving to the shadows. Everything was happening in the shadows and everything was based on fear and projections and that kind of stuff and counterintelligence and intelligence and, and, you know, the threat of nukes, of nuclear war seemed to be like the looming thing of the dark cloud over everyone's head. Everyone was concerned about that for good reason. But I wonder now, how much of a threat do you think nuclear war

• 11:53Danny Jones?

  is in today's day and age? And like, what do you think the chances of a nuke getting launched today would be?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Well, I think the chances are greater than they were in the 60s. When I was there at Malmstrom in the mid to late 60s, the Soviet Union was the major opponent with nuclear weapons. I think China was just beginning to develop their nuclear program. Now China has a significant number, I'd say in the hundreds of nukes, the ability to launch

• 12:37Speaker 02

  them. And then we've got total of nine countries in the world who have nukes. Any one of those countries, if they used a nuke in, let's say, a regional war, for example, Pakistan and India, both have nuclear weapons and they're in a contest over, over an area of the Kashmir.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Which they've been fighting over for a long time. But, you know, who's to say that one of them wouldn't launch nukes against the other?

• 13:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  And if that happened, um, that would create a crisis situation, I think.

• 13:28Danny Jones?

  How do you think the US would respond if Pakistan nuked India?

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Hard to say.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Hard to say, but just the mere fact that they were being used would, uh,

• 13:43Speaker 02

  would create a very serious situation. And of course, we have China involved now with

• 13:50Speaker 02

  alliances with one or more of those countries and,

• 13:56Speaker 02

  well, the more nukes you have out there, the greater the possibility that there would be an accidental launch also.

• 14:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's also the threat like of

• 14:11Danny Jones?

  counter insurgencies or like cartels or breakaway militias getting their hands on a nuke.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  That's correct.

• 14:20Danny Jones?

  And these people aren't wrapped up in diplomatic treaties or they don't have relationships with nation states. They're just sort of rogue splinter militia operations that, you know, could

• 14:38Danny Jones?

  cause chaos without having to pay the repercussions of launching a nuke, right? Like if you, you could, and also one of the crazy things is if you had like one of these small backpack nukes or tactical nukes or whatever,

• 14:56Danny Jones?

  and you put it on a truck in Ukraine and it detonates, there's no way, as far as I'm aware, to detect who that came from, right? It would be up to people trying to analyze, oh, did it come from Russia? Did it come from Ukraine or whatever? And that could be a pretext for like a full out global thermonuclear war, depending on who's blamed for it, right? When it's just, you know, maybe a cartel or something.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you mentioned tactical nukes. Russia already has tactical nukes. We have tactical nukes, but.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  President Trump and Putin have already stated that they're going to be developing more and varied types of tactical nukes. Now, these nukes are, even though they're called tactical, meaning that they could be used in a regional war. For example, Russia has threatened to use them against Ukraine, for example, in that war, are still pretty powerful. They're in the 15 kiloton range, which is the same

• 16:14Speaker 02

  power range that was used on Hiroshima in World War II. So, one of those could wipe out 100,000 people.

• 16:26Danny Jones?

  Right. It's pretty scary stuff.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:31Danny Jones?

  And, you know, this whole conflict with Iran and Israel and the United States right now is pretty crazy as well.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Let me just say that, you know, Pakistan is a nuclear weapon, a nuclear power. And they have, of course, it's pretty much a Muslim nation, as is Iran.

• 16:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  And they've voiced support for Iran. So, it's not, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they could even provide a nuclear weapon to Iran.

• 17:11Danny Jones?

  You don't think it's outside of the realm of possibility that they can do that?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  I don't. I think that's a possibility because, again, they might interpret this conflict with Iran as a religious conflict.

• 17:26Danny Jones?

  Yes. It's hard to know. It doesn't seem like they can keep their story straight with the reason why we did this. There's, I've heard multiple reasons. At least with the Iraq War, the, all the politicians were sticking to a cohesive narrative. It doesn't seem now that any of them can keep their story straight. You know, they have the Vice President and the Speaker of the House, and they all have different stories.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  You know, it wasn't that long ago, I remember, let's say, 15...

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Twenty years ago, you could have gone into the internet and learned how to build a nuclear weapon in detail. The ability to construct a nuclear weapon, let's say a dirty bomb especially, is not, let's say, out of the question of a lot of nations being able to do. So it's a fallacy to think that, you know, this is a highly technical, logical problem,

• 18:45Speaker 02

  that it would take years and years to, you know, learn how to build a nuclear bomb. It isn't. And, I mean, if you have the right materials. So just bombing Iran and bombing their nuclear capability, I don't think is going to guarantee that Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. In fact, I don't think there are any ways to guarantee that for any nation.

• 19:16Danny Jones?

  It feels to me like you're giving them an excuse to now create nuclear weapons.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. Not only Iran, but other nations in the area, under this idea of nuclear deterrence.

• 19:31Danny Jones?

  Yes. You know, I, there's a gentleman who's a good friend of mine, who I've had on this show many times, probably about seven times. He's a former CIA officer turned whistleblower, got put in prison by the CIA for blowing the whistle on their torture program. And his name is John Kariaku. He was recently on my friend Julian Dory's podcast, and he was saying he has a close source in the White House who was telling him before the 12-day war, before we bombed those, we hit those bunker busters on those, on Fort Do and those other sites.

• 20:05Danny Jones?

  That Benjamin Netanyahu told Donald Trump that if we didn't strike Iran during that 12 day war in June, that Israel was going to use a nuclear weapon. And that's what convinced Trump to do the strike, which is crazy to me. This is a country the size of New Jersey, telling the number one superpower in the world, we are going to use a nuke. By the way, we're not even in the IAEA treaty and we haven't publicly admitted we have nukes. And we're going to nuke Iran unless you guys strike.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. In fact, some of my research that I've done over the years, I found documents or at least reports of General MacArthur, for example, requesting the use of nukes against the Chinese during the Korean War, requesting, I think it was Eisenhower at the time, if he could use a nuclear weapon to stop the flow of the Chinese army coming over the Yellow River, wherever it was.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  And then there was another report, many, multiple reports of General Westmoreland during the Vietnam War, requesting Richard Nixon to use nukes to stop the North Vietnamese Army from, you know, bringing more and more troops down south. Both those requests were denied, but the fact that they were even considered, in fact, there are reports that the Nixon administration had detailed plans for that possibility.

• 22:04Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  So again, the fact that Netanyahu said he was going to nuke Iran possibly.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  Was probably instigated by their military generals and intelligence people. And anytime you have a weapon, there's this temptation to use it. And that's the other risk we're all taking by having these nukes.

• 22:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, and there was also those, those PSYOP meetings that were happening when JFK was president, that I think his brother RFK attended with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, where they were trying to come up with a plan to nuke Russia and China, right? And they were saying during the PSYOP meetings, S-I-O-P, not P-S-Y-O-P, folks, I forget what it stands for, just look up, see what the PSYOP meetings were with Kennedy and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And basically, their justification was that if they struck, if they struck, when, that was the point in time when we had the most and they had the least, man, nukes, there

• 23:21Danny Jones?

  was like, they were claiming that we would kill about 150 million people, and their retaliatory strikes would only kill about 50 to 60 million Americans. So, in their sociopathic, psychopath justification, that was a good thing for the United States of America. Thank God that didn't happen.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:46Danny Jones?

  Okay, 61, John F. Kennedy received top secret briefing on the PSYOP 62, single, integrated operational plan for fiscal year 1962. Yeah, the first comprehensive US nuclear war plan presented by LEMIT, sir.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  So, this brings more credence to what might have happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis in October of 62. I think Kennedy was ready to call Khrushchev's bluff and...

• 24:26Speaker 02

  You know, use nukes if he had to.

• 24:28Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, I, I know we went to, uh, DEFCON, we got to DEFCON two.

• 24:40Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  At one point, uh, uh, defense readiness condition two, which means, um,

• 24:50Speaker 02

  nuclear war, uh, is imminent.

• 24:57Danny Jones?

  Armed forces ready to deploy in less than six hours, DEFCON two, fast paced.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Right. I think we were, we were at that.

• 25:04Danny Jones?

  DEFCON one is cocked pistol.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Danny Jones?

  Maximum ready, Nick. Readiness, nuclear war is imminent or has begun.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:14Danny Jones?

  What did they tell you? Did they tell you like, what, like if you were, worst case scenario, you guys got to pull the trigger on these Minutemen's?

• 25:24Danny Jones?

  What's next?

• 25:26Speaker 02

  Exactly. They didn't talk about that.

• 25:29Danny Jones?

  Never talked about that.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  The only thing they, uh, trained us on was there was a little crawl space. Uh, it was filled with, um,

• 25:42Speaker 02

  dirt and, and, uh, rocks and it was a hole about this big, just big enough. It was in the ceiling of our underground capsule. We were in an underground

• 25:56Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Concrete and steel capsule.

• 25:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? How deep underground are we talking?

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Sixty feet.

• 26:02Danny Jones?

  Sixty feet?

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. And up there at one of the corners, there was this little hole. And, uh,

• 26:12Speaker 02

  after the shooting stopped, so to speak.

• 26:15Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  Of course, I don't know how we'd know that, but, uh, and whether, uh, that we'd know what the radiation level was because yeah, our, our locations were probably targets, right? Uh, but after things settled down, we could crawl through that hole.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  And uh, and get out. We're supposed to be survivable 60 feet underground. Uh, whether this would be true or not, I don't know.

• 26:50Danny Jones?

  And um, you know, it's fascinating that during the times when we started testing all these nukes

• 27:00Danny Jones?

  in Nevada and New Mexico and when the Russians started doing it over there. That's the peak in UFO activity and UFO sightings. And that's where Roswell, you know, Roswell was right where we started the first uh, nuclear, nuclear, what was it? The uh, the flight group was based out of.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  The 509th.

• 27:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  509th Bomb Wing.

• 27:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  That was the uh, wing that dropped uh, weapons on, nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

• 27:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and there's that great map. I'm sure you've seen it, the animation of all of the nuclear detonation tests in history. It like has the timeline at the bottom and it starts from like the 40s, goes through the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and it shows on the map where all the nuclear weapons are going off. And it also shows all the UFO sightings.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 27:51Danny Jones?

  Correlated with that, which is insane.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  And in fact, a scientist uh, just correlated um,

• 28:00Speaker 02

  let's call them uh, strange lights in the sky before we had satellites.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  But to uh, looking at data from telescopic data.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  She was able to correlate uh, uh, more and more of those sightings uh,

• 28:24Speaker 02

  with nuclear weapons testing.

• 28:27Danny Jones?

  Um, okay, so explain

• 28:32Danny Jones?

  what happened in, what was it, 67 in March?

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:38Danny Jones?

  When that event happened?

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 28:40Danny Jones?

  Can you walk me through that day and what, what happened? What went down?

• 28:43Speaker 02

  I'll walk you through my incident.

• 28:45Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Which happened on March 24th, 1967.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Um, of course, there were two of us, uh, in control of what we call the launch control facility, which includes the, uh, launch control center, which is that capsule underground, sixty feet underground.

• 29:04Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Uh, so, because we had, uh, someone had to be, uh, wide awake, uh, twenty-four hours a day, uh, we took turns taking little rest breaks. We had a little cot down there. So, my commander, Colonel Fred Mywold, was taking his rest break. Uh, sometime in the evening, I'm gonna guess around nine-thirty, ten o'clock in the evening, uh, I get a call from my topside guard. We had about six guards up there on ground level, uh, and they're used for, uh, uh, security

• 29:49Speaker 02

  purposes at the...

• 29:51Danny Jones?

  Let Mike a little bit closer.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Security purposes, uh, at what we call the launch facility. So, the launch facility is about a mile or two away in a kind of a circle around the launch control center.

• 30:09Danny Jones?

  Got it. So, the actual, the actual nukes are about a mile away?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 30:14Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  And, uh, so we had ten, uh, and they were always, pretty much always, on alert status, meaning they were green, ready to launch.

• 30:29Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  And like I said, we could launch them in seconds. It didn't take long. Um, anyway, the guard, the main guard calls down and says, "Sir, we've been seeing some strange lights in the sky." Uh, overhead, flying directly overhead, uh, making really weird maneuvers. "They're not airplanes, sir." Uh, and I said, "What do you mean?" Uh, "Well, they're, uh, able to fly very fast, stop in midair, reverse course, uh, make ninety-degree turns, there's no engine sound, um, airplanes don't do that, sir. These are not airplanes."

• 31:16Speaker 02

  Oh, what are they UFOs? I didn't use that word because we had had reports of lights in the sky from local residents in Great Falls, Montana. We had reports in the newspaper, the Great Falls Tribune. And that's where we all lived in Great Falls. Great Falls and Malmstrom are about 100 miles to the west of us.

• 31:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Where we were. We were near a little town called Roy, Montana. Just due east of Great Falls. Anyway, I didn't quite know what to make of his report. I said, well, thank you. But he kept saying, these aren't airplanes. They couldn't be airplanes.

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• 33:06Speaker 02

  And.

• 33:08Danny Jones?

  How many of them?

• 33:09Speaker 02

  He didn't say how many. He said there were multiple sightings of these things.

• 33:14Danny Jones?

  You can pull this up like this, pull a little closer to. You don't have to scoot in, you can actually move it to you.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:20Danny Jones?

  You all right?

• 33:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:21Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  So I thanked him for the report. It was not, I didn't consider it a joke or trying to.

• 33:31Danny Jones?

  Prank or something?

• 33:31Speaker 02

  A prank or something like that. But basically I said, thank you. Let me know if anything more interesting happens.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  And hung up the phone.

• 33:44Danny Jones?

  What time was this, do you remember?

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Nine, nine thirty, possibly ten, something like that. It was dark outside, though. I remember that. Uh, we didn't have, we don't have any windows and we don't have any video up there either. At that time.

• 33:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Uh, okay, so I hang up the phone. Uh, I go back to my book and and he calls back about five minutes later and says, and this time he's screaming into the phone. He's yelling, he's babbling, he's frightened. And finally I calm him down, said, calm down, tell me what you're calling about. He said, sir, there's a glowing red light. Basically, he didn't say object, he said a light. Pulsating reddish light. Uh, I've got all the guys out here, they got their weapons up, pointed at this thing.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  And

• 34:47Danny Jones?

  Their weapons?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and

• 34:51Danny Jones?

  Did anyone shoot it?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Well, that's a possibility. Uh, I'm not certain, and I'll tell you why in a minute. But he said it was hovering right above the front gate. It was just sitting there above the front gate.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  And that front gate is about, I'd say twelve feet high. Uh, what do I do, sir? What do I do? And, you know, he was panicking. He was very panicky, uh, so, um.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Of course, this was shocking to me, but I had to take it very seriously. Uh, of course, I didn't know what to do. Uh, never had an experience like this. Uh, I said, you're in charge of security up there. Make sure nothing enters the fenced area.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Uh, do whatever you have to do. Uh, you're in charge of security of the whole facility.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Uh, so he said, okay, sir, I gotta go. One of the guards just got injured. He hangs at the phone. Um, I, I look over at, uh, just, uh, you know, reaction, I looked over at the board. We have a status board of, uh, lights. And we, we had all green lights at that point.

• 36:16Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  So I turn around and go to the cut where, um, Colonel Mywold, my commander, was taking a rest break. Wake him up, start to tell him about these phone calls. And then all of a sudden, we get a, a large horn go off. And we know what that means. It means that there's a issue with one of the missiles. Look at the board and sure enough, one of them went from green to red. No go, no launch, no, no ability to launch.

• 36:47Danny Jones?

  The missiles that are a mile away from you right now.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Right. Uh, yeah, we have indicator lights.

• 36:51Danny Jones?

  Even though this shows the status. This thing is here where you guys are. It's not over by the missile silos.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:59Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Well, not then.

• 37:01Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Uh, and then very quickly thereafter, bing, bing, bing, bing, all 10 of them went down. They all went red. We jump up, of course, and go through our checklist. We have a checklist to do, uh, when that happens, uh, and, uh, I noticed there were at two of the launch facilities, there were incursion lights, which means that possibility of somebody or something entered into the fenced area where the missiles are. And, uh, so I called back upstairs because I've got to send guards out there, take a look, uh, to drive out there and find out what's going on.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  And of course, I asked about this red light. He reported, he said, it just flew off. So just as he picked up the phone, so it was there when these missiles went off.

• 37:57Danny Jones?

  Went down.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Went down. Uh, the guards, I'd sent two, uh, two sets of guards out to, to those sites. They got within a mile away and again, saw this light or these lights just above those missile sites.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  And they were scared to death, still scared, very frightened.

• 38:21Danny Jones?

  The doors were closed above the missiles, right? There's doors on top of them?

• 38:25Speaker 02

  There is, there is a

• 38:29Speaker 02

  kind of a hatch that goes over the top of the silo of the missile.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  You can see it there on the left.

• 38:37Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  It's on rails normally.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  But if it gets stuck, we'd blow it off in order to launch the missile. But yeah, that. So there were UFOs seen by those guards over two of those missile sites. And they didn't want to go any further. They were so frightened of these things.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Their experience seeing one up close.

• 39:03Danny Jones?

  How many guards are there at the actual missile sites?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Well, we had about six to eight security people upstairs. And we'd send them out two at a time.

• 39:19Danny Jones?

  And they also said, they said that these lights were just hovering right above the missiles?

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Exactly. So we excused them from going any further. Normally, they would go to the site, open the gate, look around. But in this case, we had them come back to the launch control facility.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  And on the way back, they lost radio contact, which is another indication of UFO activity. They were, UFOs seem to be able to interfere with radio contact.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  Anyway,

• 39:58Speaker 02

  the guard that got injured later got a report from somebody that

• 40:07Speaker 02

  was aware of this incident and lived in the barracks with these security guards. And he said he had remembered hearing two possible scenarios. One is

• 40:20Speaker 02

  He injured his hand because his rifle jammed and tried to clear it and injured his hand somehow. And another scenario was, oh, well, he fired at the object and tried to clear it, his weapon. And then another scenario was he did grab the barbed wire fencing that we had around the facility and cut his hand. At any rate, he had to be sent back to the base for treatment. But it was, it was a minor thing and it was nothing that the UFO did to him.

• 40:56Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  It was something.

• 40:59Danny Jones?

  And you bet you don't, you, you, you, you're not sure if anyone actually fired on it?

• 41:04Speaker 02

  I'll tell you why. The next morning, we were relieved by another crew. The first thing I did is go upstairs and talk to these guys, or try to talk to the main guard anyway. He wouldn't talk to me. And he was only an airman. I was a captain or, you know, well, not quite then, I was a lieutenant, but, uh, I was his commanding officer and he wouldn't talk to me.

• 41:34Danny Jones?

  What'd you say to him?

• 41:35Speaker 02

  I said, "God damn it, you tell me what the hell you saw again. I want to hear it." And he stammered and finally my commander told me, you know, he's probably been told not to talk to me. At any rate, we were helicoptered back to the base right away and, and then ordered to our squadron commander's office. And as I walked in, the first thing I said to him was, "What the hell was that? What's going on here?" And he was white as a sheet. He said, I don't know. I have no idea.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  And then there was a guy with him from AFOSI, Air Force Office of Special Investigations. Shoved a piece of paper at us, said, sign here. I said, what's this? It's a non-disclosure statement. You're never to talk to anybody about this, ever. No one in the Air Force, no one, none of your family members, nobody.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  I said, we've already got above top secret clearance. All you have to do is tell me not to talk.

• 42:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no, you have to sign this. And so we were both ordered basically to sign these NDAs.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  On penalty of spending a lot of time on, in Leavenworth Prison.

• 43:03Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  It had that typed right in there.

• 43:05Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Uh, if we ever spoke about it. So we signed and after that, we were unable to talk to those guards. And they called me the next morning. I don't know how they got my home number. I was living in Great Falls with my wife and

• 43:25Speaker 02

  they begged me to come out and talk to them and I couldn't.

• 43:27Danny Jones?

  Who?

• 43:28Speaker 02

  The guards.

• 43:29Danny Jones?

  The guards.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, they wanted to talk to me about it, you know? Thinking I knew, I would know what's going on here.

• 43:37Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Of course I didn't and

• 43:42Speaker 02

  I had to turn them down, but that really hurt, having to

• 43:47Speaker 02

  turn down these guys. Couldn't even talk to.

• 43:51Danny Jones?

  When the missiles went down and you got all the red lights, they all went offline.

• 43:56Danny Jones?

  What was going through your mind? Had that ever happened to you before?

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Never. I mean, I, every now and then a missile would go no-go or go down for some technical reason. But those were single instances, never multiple missiles going down.

• 44:18Danny Jones?

  Never more than one.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Never more than one for any reason. I was there for three years and that never happened. These were very reliable systems. And by the way, we didn't lose power at any time. This was not a power failure of any kind. We had, we always had power because we had redundant power. We had Montana power. We had diesel backup, diesel generators backup and the battery backups also.

• 44:52Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  On the missiles.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  So they were, had triple power support.

• 45:04Danny Jones?

  How long were they down for?

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Well, again, we were relieved by another crew. I can't tell you exactly, but in general.

• 45:11Danny Jones?

  You're not allowed to say how long they were down for?

• 45:15Speaker 02

  I would say a day, possibly two, because we had to send crews out there physically.

• 45:23Danny Jones?

  A day or two?

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:25Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Because we had to send crews to each of the launch facilities to go through a targeting procedure. And that was a little bit involved, but you know, not, it took a little time for each missile, let's put it that way.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  But there was no damage, no damage to equipment.

• 45:52Danny Jones?

  Once you got, how are you able to get everything back online?

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Like I said, they went through a procedure and again, through checklist procedure. But they have to go through re-targeting the missile to make sure it's targeted properly.

• 46:12Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  But again, there were never reports afterwards. And of course, we'd go out there about every

• 46:25Speaker 02

  three or four days.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Usually to the same flight, Oscar flight in my case.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  And there were never reports of any equipment failures as a result of this incident.

• 46:43Danny Jones?

  That's wild. And I'm sure you were thinking about it nonstop after that.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  For a while, yes. And then after a while, I got thinking about thirty years in Leavenworth Prison. And focused more on keeping my mouth shut.

• 47:01Danny Jones?

  Right. What finally convinced you to talk about this publicly?

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Okay, so I resigned my commission in nineteen seventy-one from the Air Force. I went to work for aerospace companies first, and then for FAA for over twenty years.

• 47:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  And then I decided to become a teacher, a high school teacher in math. And so I went to the University of Washington, happened to be in Seattle at the time, went to the University of Washington and signed up. And after that, I walked through the bookstore at the University of Washington bookstore. And as I was walking through on one of the shelves, I saw a book called Above Top Secret by Timothy Good.

• 47:52Speaker 02

  And that looked interesting to me. I picked the book up, happened to open it to page three hundred and one of that book.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  And on that page was written a short paragraph about missiles being disabled by UFOs in nineteen sixty-seven. And bingo, I remember that. That was my incident. Yeah. And I said, what's it doing in this book? It's, you know, for sale for the public to read. This is supposed to be highly classified. That's what I was told. This is highly classified.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  And uh, but it sounded exactly like what happened to me, at least the gist of it, and what I remember of it. Remember, this is 27 years later.

• 48:51Danny Jones?

  And this book was citing the exact incident at Malmstrom, or a different one?

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Uh, well, I thought it was my incident. It turned out later, and I didn't find this out for two years later, it turned out that this was a different incident that I had never heard about.

• 49:10Danny Jones?

  Same year?

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:12Danny Jones?

  Wow. Same, at Malmstrom, though?

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. So, I go home, and right away, I spill the beans to my wife.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  And I say, "This, look, look at this. This, this is my incident that just happened to me while I was in the Air Force," et cetera, blah, blah, blah. And uh, uh, because I was so confident that if it's in this book, it's been declassified, right? Must have been, yeah? No, but I thought it was. And so, I got ahold of a guy at MUFON, Mutual UFO Network, and uh, an investigator, and we agreed to write to the Air Force under the

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Freedom of Information Act, requesting documents about this incident with, uh, in 1967. But we didn't say a word about UFOs. We just said, you know, "Missiles are being shut down for unusual reasons." The Air Force wrote back and said, "You know, this is classified. However, since it's been so long, we're going to declassify it, and we'll send you documents."

• 50:32Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  And they did. And so, I got, receiving documents on the Echo Flight shutdown. Echo Flight.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Echo, E for Echo.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  All right, and I still thought it was my incident, even though Echo was not in my squadron. But I didn't remember that, really. You remember, I, this is 27 years later, and I

• 51:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  had consciously or subconsciously tried to forget what I knew about it because I didn't want to talk about it some bar after having a few beers, right?

• 51:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  So I started going public. I gave an interview to the Great Falls Tribune. I gave an interview to Art Bell, Art Bell Show, et cetera. But I still didn't even remember the name of the guy that was in the capsule with me when it happened. It wasn't until 1996, I finally contacted Colonel Mywald, who had retired a Colonel. And he was the guy that was with me.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I gave him a call and said, and I've got a recording of that, by the way.

• 51:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 51:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. I've got a recording of that.

• 51:59Danny Jones?

  Did you bring it with you?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:00Danny Jones?

  We should play it.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:02Danny Jones?

  You can go, you can continue.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Okay, so I go through what I think happened, or I remember happening. And he listens, and then at the end he says, yeah, that's about what I remember. But we weren't at Echo Flight.

• 52:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  We were at Oscar Flight.

• 52:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  I said, what?

• 52:27Speaker 02

  You mean there were two of these incidents? Because I had the documentation saying Echo was in, on March 16th, 1967. That's when that happened.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  And at that point, I didn't know the date of the Oscar flight, my, my incident. But he said, no, we were assigned to Oscar and we never went to Echo. So later on, through another witness, man by the name of Robert Jamison, who actually brought the Oscar flight back up on alert. He, he and his crew went out there and did these targeting startups. Confirmed the date of March 24th, 1967 for my incident.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  So that was eight days after the Echo incident. Within eight days, we had two incidents involving UFOs shutting down missiles.

• 53:37Danny Jones?

  And you were just off that day or what? On the 24th?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  No, I wasn't off.

• 53:43Danny Jones?

  Well, why wouldn't have you, well, how, how did you not know about it at the time?

• 53:48Speaker 02

  The date, you mean?

• 53:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, if it was only eight days later.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Because it was 24 years or 27 years after the fact. I don't remember the date of my incident.

• 53:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but I, no, no, but there was two incidents.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the 18th, I mean, the 16th was the Echo incident. We later found out through another incident that was written up in the Great Wall's Tribune called the Belt Incident, where a truck driver sees a UFO pacing his truck. The UFO lands in a ravine, he goes out, takes a look. He calls the highway patrol, he calls the air force, they all take a look, see the object down there, and that happened on the 24th.

• 54:39Danny Jones?

  Ah, I see.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  And when Jamison was called in to do his job and go.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Bring the Oscar missiles back up on alert. He remembers that incident happened on that day.

• 54:54Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Same day as the Oscar incident. So that's why how we were able to nail down the 24th.

• 55:02Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  Eight days later. So within eight days, we lost 20 nuclear weapons to UFOs. Not only that. In 1966, around September of 66 at Minot Air Force Base.

• 55:24Danny Jones?

  Where's that one? Where's that base at? What state?

• 55:28Speaker 02

  North Dakota.

• 55:28Danny Jones?

  North Dakota, okay.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is the what's called the belt sighting. That's the truck driver I just told you about. He gave an interview to the Great Falls Tribune.

• 55:40Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  And so that was well documented. But in 1966, there was another incident at Minot Air Force Base. David Shindeley, because Iowa came forward, he came forward and talked about that incident. And he relieved the crew who lost all 10 of their missiles during UFO sighting.

• 56:07Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  And one more. In early 1966, again at Malmstrom. Let's say January of 66. I'm not sure of the date. But we've got another witness. I'll tell you about in a minute. Who talks about another 10 missiles going down during UFO sighting again at Malmstrom at Alpha Flight. Okay, so within the span of two years, two years, UFOs have come over and shut down 10 missiles four times, 40 missiles.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  And that's I can justify that. I can I can give you evidence to that.

• 57:02Danny Jones?

  Now, also, wasn't there some sort of investigation that went down right after that where Boeing came in, you said?

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Okay, so one of the documents we got said was from SAC headquarters, it was a telegram. And it said, we got to find out what caused these missiles to go down because we don't know, and this is of grave concern, right? This is the very basis of our national security, these nuclear weapons. So he asked by name that Boeing get involved. Boeing had the overall contract on the Minuteman system. They were the top level contractor.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  And they assigned people to look into this. And two of these engineers, or one of these engineers, rather, decided to do a bench test on the guidance system because that was the readout we were getting. We had a way of getting, you know, verbal readout for why the missile was shut down. And the readout was guidance and control system failure. So they looked at all the pieces of hardware on the guidance system. We had an inertial guidance system. We didn't have GPS. We didn't have satellites at the time

• 58:36Speaker 02

  for navigation or guidance after the missiles were launched, right? So they depended on an inertial system which required gyroscopes, velocity meters, accelerometers, things like that, that after the missile was launched, would use this data to determine whether or not it was on course to hit the target. Yes? And the processor for that was something called the logic coupler.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Okay. So, um, they pulled a Boeing did a bench test on the logic coupler. And shot it with various levels of electrical signals. And were able to come up with a particular signal for a particular duration. Would momentarily switch off. The logic coupler. And that.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Would could have shut down the missiles. Again, because it would shut down. Of the guidance system.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  So that was speculative by Boeing.

• 59:59Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  They didn't know for sure. Uh, but they did make a statement that this is a possibility, and this is in one of the reports I received. Uh, however, they had no idea how this signal could have been injected. Into each of the missiles separately.

• 1:00:19Danny Jones?

  Simultaneously.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Simultaneously, basically. Because the cabling system that we had. Was triply shielded against electromagnetic interference from the outside. But that's what Boeing concluded that um, an external signal. Was sent to each of these. Missiles separately.

• 1:00:45Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  And again, this happened 40 times.

• 1:00:51Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Uh, this was not, this was not a, uh, some kind of a test.

• 1:00:58Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  The Air Force did, or could have done.

• 1:01:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, um, so that was another speculation that this could have been some sort of an EMP test. Is that right?

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Well, there was, uh, you know, uh.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  I think, I think the origin of that story came from, um. You know, there was a Condon investigation going on at the time, right?

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  And it's good we talked about this. Edward Condon, you know about the Condon investigation?

• 1:01:36Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Okay. 1966, the University of Colorado was awarded a contract by the Air Force to look into the UFO question. The Air Force had been getting a lot of static from the public, including Gerald Ford, Michigan, where they had many incidents of UFO sightings. And the Air Force promised to do a so-called scientific study of the UFO question.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  It was, so anyway, it was, what the Air Force really wanted was to get out of the, of having to answer the Congress or the public about these things. Because more and more people were reporting UFOs. And they really wanted to whitewash the whole subject and just basically say this, this is a lot of, nothing.

• 1:02:39Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Nothing to look at. So they made a deal with Condon, and I've got this documented in my book, that if he took on the UFO study, Edward Condon was a professor of physics at the University of Colorado at the time, but he had been, he'd been part of the Manhattan Project at one point.

• 1:03:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he got fired for security reasons. And he was accused of being a Russian spy by J. Edgar Hoover.

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• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  He lost his security clearance.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  So the Air Force went back to Condon, who was now teaching physics at University of Colorado. Uh, and said, "Look, you wanna get your security cleaners back? Take on this UFO study for us, but uh, do it in a way that we'd like to

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  get out of the business of reporting UFOs." Basically, that's what deal was struck there.

• 1:04:18Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  And I've got some evidence to show that.

• 1:04:22Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Um, anyway, this started in sixty-six. It ended in sixty-eight. Condon issued an official report and didn't mention a thing about UFO shutting down missiles at Malmstrom Air Force Base or any other base.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Didn't mention anything about that, even though his own investigator was informed of these missile shutdowns by a man by the name of Ray Fowler. Ray Fowler was, um, uh, working for Silvania Corporation, who had a contract on the electrical systems of the Minuteman system. And he had people working for him stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base when these two incidents occurred, who reported to him that these were, uh, UFO sightings during these shutdowns.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Fowler decided to contact the investigator of Condon, tell him all about it, gave him names, phone numbers, people to talk to about it. And the investigator did nothing of significance about it. Fowler was angry after this report came out in late sixty-eight and, uh, decided to give an interview to the Christian Science Monitor in nineteen seventy-three.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Even though he was risking losing his job and also the ire of the Air Force, uh,

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  he gave this interview, it was published in nineteen seventy-three, and that's how Timothy Good.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Found out about it and put it in his book, Above Top Secret.

• 1:06:22Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  And that's how I was able to read that in there.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Uh, so.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Danny Jones?

  At what point did you start to learn about these same types of scenarios happening overseas?

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  So I did a lot of research after I went public. I started researching the subject.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  I also worked with a man called Robert Hastings, who wrote a book.

• 1:06:53Danny Jones?

  UFOs and nukes, right?

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  UFOs and nukes, excellent book.

• 1:06:57Danny Jones?

  He interviewed like a hundred and sixty something nuclear officers.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot. And after I went public with, you know, podcasts and like,

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  what's his name? I forgot.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Art Bell. People started contacting me.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  And I found out more about other incidents. And also from Hastings. Uh, so in my latest book, I've identified at least thirteen other

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  incidents involving UFOs and nuclear facilities. I can go into some detail. One of the ones you might want to see on an animated video

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  is the incident that happened in 1964 on Vandenberg Air Force Base. Robert Jacobs.

• 1:07:59Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  You may have heard of that.

• 1:08:01Danny Jones?

  Yes, I've heard of Bob Jacobs. The Air Force basically tried to like deny that he ever worked for them, right?

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  Uh, probably.

• 1:08:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's what I heard.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  That's what they usually do. They try to deny everything.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Uh, but, um,

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  he has also gone public. Oh, here, I think he's showing it up there.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  But he is also-

• 1:08:31Danny Jones?

  Is this a file that you provided us?

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:08:35Danny Jones?

  Is that rain?

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  The nose horn separates-

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  No, that's shaft.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  The shaft flew out in front of it. We saw this as, obviously, reflections of light rippling like that. And then we saw the dummy warhead flying along. It's going between 6,000 and 8,000 miles an hour at that point. And it's on the fringe of space. And suddenly, into that frame, an object flew in, chasing the shaft, the warhead, and so on, at the same speed. And in polar orbit, it fired a beam of light at the warhead. The beam of light struck that. The object flew up, shot another beam of light at the dummy warhead, went around this, shot another beam of light at it, went down, shot a beam of light, and then flew out the same way it had come in.

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  At which time, the dummy warhead fell out of the frame.

• 1:09:24Danny Jones?

  Whoa. Yes, I've heard about this, this event.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, and this was an animation you just saw, but he actually took video of this. Uh, real video, because he had very specialized equipment. And this was taken during an Atlas missile launch. And Atlas was used also for strategic weapon deliveries, um, early on, before the Minuteman. Um, and, and you see the outcome here. He saw this video after it was, uh, developed with his commander. His commander's backed him up on this, a major management.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  And, uh, but they showed it with CIA agents involved. After showing this, uh, the actual video, uh, the CIA took the video and it was never seen again-

• 1:10:26Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  -by them. Um, but yeah.

• 1:10:33Danny Jones?

  What, what was the Air Force's response to you, or the government's? Did they have, did they ever say anything to you after you came out with this stuff?

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:10:44Danny Jones?

  Never contact, no one ever contacted you, nothing? No one ever tried to discredit you, or say that you didn't-

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Well-

• 1:10:51Danny Jones?

  -you're a liar?

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  (laughing) Well, you've heard of the Wall Street Journal report that this was all.

• 1:10:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this was like last year, right?

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, whether or not the government had anything to do with that, I don't know. I can't tell you, but, uh, uh, from time to time, people have tried to discredit this. But I, if you look at my case closely, I've got a lot of documentation supporting it. And I've got witness testimony supporting it.

• 1:11:22Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Uh, including the principals. Uh, Colonel Walter Feagle was in charge of the Echo Flight. I've got an audio tape of him with his permission, uh, telling about his incident at Echo Flight, where all 10 missiles were shut down during, uh, UFO sightings right over the facilities. Um, the other, uh, incident I talked about of Minot, that gentleman has come forward publicly. He's written a book about it, about that incident. And he's named names of, you know, those guys that were in the capsule when the incident happened.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  Um, so the, the 13 that I've identified include, uh, uh, cases like the one at, um, Schosteburg, the Netherlands, uh, 1996, I think. Um, where there were 12 airmen that actually saw the object, uh, fly down the flight line, um, slowly shining, uh, again, laser beam.

• 1:12:43Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  Uh, where nukes were stored. Nuclear weapon.

• 1:12:49Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  Were stored, uh, this was during the Cold War, of course.

• 1:12:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Uh, all the incidents I've reported on are documented or supported by witnesses.

• 1:13:03Danny Jones?

  Can you explain what was the gist of that Wall Street Journal article? I mean, I know that they tried to say that, or somebody tried to say, who was it? It was Arrow that said this? Arrow with Sean Kirkpatrick, right? They said that there was an EMP that was wheeled up into the front of, to the gates of the Air Force Base. And the purpose of that was to test an EMP on live nuclear weapons to see if it would work. Or they said it could have been some sort of an Air Force hazing ritual, right? There's two options.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Well, neither one of those make any sense. But I think, you know, I talked to the guy that wrote that book. I can't remember his name or not.

• 1:13:53Danny Jones?

  The article?

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  The article.

• 1:13:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  I forgot his name now, but.

• 1:13:56Danny Jones?

  Pull up the Wall Street Journal article, Steve. He'll find it.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I gave him an interview. He wanted to interview me. I said, sure, Wall Street Journal, yeah, tell my story. But then he took what I gave him and then talked to, I think it was Arrow. I think I remember him saying that. I don't know whether it was Fitzgerald or not.

• 1:14:22Danny Jones?

  Yep. Fitzpatrick.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Fitzpatrick.

• 1:14:25Danny Jones?

  Or Kirkpatrick.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Kirkpatrick.

• 1:14:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  And basically, what somebody told him was that the missiles, what the guards saw was really a device used to generate some millions of volts.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  Of electromagnetic energy uh to hit our facility to see if it would withstand it.

• 1:15:05Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  And supposedly because during a nuclear blast, a very large um EMP is also released.

• 1:15:17Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:18Speaker 02

  Electromagnetic pulse in an actual nuclear blast.

• 1:15:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  So the thought was that uh when our facility might be hit in retaliation, if we launch missiles, uh missiles will be launched against our facilities and that EMP could do a lot of damage. Well, uh the Air Force understood this and they did EMP testing at test sites. They would never have done EMP testing in an operational facility.

• 1:15:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  And take that risk of putting them off offline.

• 1:16:04Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  Right? And damaging uh very expensive equipment.

• 1:16:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  So that's why it doesn't make sense.

• 1:16:13Danny Jones?

  Without the officers knowing about it?

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Plus the guards would have seen them set that equipment up. It's a very involved piece of equipment, uh needs uh uh superstructure to support it and all kinds of things. They would have been out there days uh constructing that part of it.

• 1:16:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  And it would have been noticed by the guards and the guards would have reported it to us. We were in command of the site.

• 1:16:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  We had no reports.

• 1:16:48Danny Jones?

  So this is the article?

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:50Danny Jones?

  Joel?

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Joel Schleckman.

• 1:16:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's the guy you talked to?

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:55Danny Jones?

  Very odd that they would come out this this late in the game and try to discredit this whole thing or paint some sort of a false narrative about it.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  Very odd. So like I say, I don't know if the government was involved in that or not.

• 1:17:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think actually Jesse pointed out on one of his videos that one of the people that was cited or one of the sources for this article worked for psychological operations for a big aerospace contractor or a big defense contractor. I think it was Grumman. What's that one called? Something Grumman? Northrop. Northrop. Yeah, Northrop. She was a psychological operations person on her LinkedIn. Jesse pulled that up.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:46Danny Jones?

  Um, I gotta pee real quick. We'll be right back. When we get back, we should play that audio tape of the guy that was with you. I think that'd be great for people to hear.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:17:55Danny Jones?

  All right, we'll be right back. All right, we're back. Uh, we're gonna play this audio tape. This is the guy that was working with you that day.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Oh, which one is this?

• 1:18:05Danny Jones?

  This is Fegel.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Oh, that's Echo Flight. That's the one that happened eight days earlier.

• 1:18:11Danny Jones?

  Okay. Okay, cool.

• 1:18:21Speaker 06

  Because they were doing maintenance, um, I don't know, guidance scans or something. And the maintenance crews were staying over and there were security and maintenance on site on both, uh, uh, two of the ten sites. And when the first one went down, I talked to the security out there. They had reported this UFO hovering over the site and said, "Yeah, right. What are you guys drinking out there?" And we struck, uh, strike teams to both the sites that had been occupied. And, uh, both strike teams, I didn't tell them what we had heard, uh, via the, the LAX radio. And I told them to go to get within a mile of the site and call back in on the PHF. And, uh, they both had, uh, reported it too. So we had two maintenance crews, two security troops on site and two strike teams all reporting it. Is that right?

• 1:19:06Speaker 06

  Yep. Do you remember any of the names of any of those guys? Nope.

• 1:19:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  So he had quite a few people reporting this UFO over one of the sites. Uh, this was just before all 10 of his missiles shut down.

• 1:19:25Danny Jones?

  That's crazy. What did you, so what did you think they were? Did you have any ideas in your mind, like around that time? Had you been interested in this stuff at all? Like, were you ever, was this in the zeitgeist at all? Or, or like, what did you make of it?

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  Like I said, we had had, uh, reports that were printed up in the Great Falls Tribune that week before I went out and, you know, was on duty. Uh, of people seeing lights in the sky.

• 1:19:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, strange lights, including red lights.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  So yeah, I, I did make that connection after thinking about it a little bit. And yeah, I was interested, especially when I saw a few years later, Close Encounters. Third guy.

• 1:20:19Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Uh, but I was, I was zipped up. Like I couldn't talk about it. I couldn't, I didn't even want to think about it really.

• 1:20:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, because there's multiple options to what those things were like. Was it some sort of top secret US tech? Was it some foreign top secret tech?

• 1:20:39Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:20:40Danny Jones?

  Or was it another civilization, you know, messing with us?

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:46Danny Jones?

  What's your best guess?

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  Now?

• 1:20:49Danny Jones?

  After all these years?

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  It's another civilization out there.

• 1:20:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  That is visiting us and are concerned about us destroying this planet through nuclear war.

• 1:21:07Speaker 02

  And for many reasons, probably some we don't even understand. But this is a special planet. We have immense diversity of life here. It's a great place for life and sentient beings. And we're about to just obliterate it.

• 1:21:34Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Have you ever talked to any other people like yourself that haven't gone public? That are afraid to go public?

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yes.

• 1:21:45Danny Jones?

  And what kind of things have they seen?

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Okay, so I'll tell you about a man I call Tex. All right? That's not his real name. But he was one of the maintenance people that were brought out to one of the Echo Flight launch facilities to go through the startup procedure. And so he goes into the maintenance bay, takes out his checklist, and starts going through it. And is almost to the point where he's about to bring the bird back up on alert. Green. However, at this point, the missile shuts down again.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  He doesn't understand it. And then his guard, he's got a guard upstairs, you know, and his guard shakes the ladder and says, "Look up here, sir." Looks up, and there's this orange bulb light hovering right above him. He said he can feel the static electricity from this thing.

• 1:22:55Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he goes up, takes a look, he says, "Oh, my God. Report this, you know, back to the base, to the guard." And so the guard says, "Okay, sir." And then he tells the guard, "I'm gonna go back down and continue."

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  This important job of getting this missile back and ready to go, right? So he had to go back down. This object is still up there. He goes through his checklist. At the same spot that it shut down before, it shut down again. He said he tried this multiple times. And while this object was still up there. And the missile would simply not go further than this one particular point on the checklist. And later he told me, he said, that thing, whatever it was, knew exactly how our systems worked.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Precisely. And how to disable them.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  This guy would make a great witness. He was head of an aerospace company. He was CEO of an aerospace company.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  And

• 1:24:13Danny Jones?

  Way after this event occurred?

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. This was after he got out of the Air Force.

• 1:24:22Danny Jones?

  Big aerospace company, one of the big ones?

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  Well, it was, let's say, an important one.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  But he at times got real close to say, I'm gonna go forward, I'm gonna go public. But each time he backed down and that's where he stands today. He doesn't wanna,

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  you know, mess up his life, basically, by coming forward.

• 1:24:54Danny Jones?

  It's crazy stuff, man.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Danny Jones?

  Any other folks that you've talked to since you've come out with this? Who have maybe confided in you? Things that they're afraid to come forward and expose their reputation? Or potential risk going to jail for, or?

• 1:25:14Danny Jones?

  Maybe not necessarily related to nuclear events, but anything else?

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Let me just say that without going into too much detail, that

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  one in particular person I'm thinking of was able to confirm to me, to my satisfaction, that he had actually flown

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  a

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Remanufactured or re-engineered object that operated very similar to UFO.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  I'll just let it go with that.

• 1:25:55Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:57Danny Jones?

  You trust this guy, huh?

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:25:59Danny Jones?

  You know him personally? Like, or was it just a random guy that contacted you?

• 1:26:03Speaker 02

  I knew him very personally.

• 1:26:06Danny Jones?

  Wow. He said he flew a back-engineered craft?

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  And I believe.

• 1:26:17Danny Jones?

  That's so bonkers. That's so crazy, man.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:21Danny Jones?

  It's a lot. It's a lot. What do you make of, uh, Trump coming out and saying he's gonna release all these Epstein files? Or not Epstein, UFO files?

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  Those two.

• 1:26:31Danny Jones?

  It's a Freudian slip? Yeah, yeah. He said he was gonna release the Epstein files, but, uh, they're trying to, trying to pull all that back now.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  I'll just wait and see what happens. Uh, you know, he made, he's made a lot of promises that don't pan out.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it's not just him.

• 1:26:48Danny Jones?

  Sure, of course not.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Uh, there's something called the Legacy Program where, um, major aerospace companies have been given access to, you know, down craft and parts of down craft.

• 1:27:04Danny Jones?

  I'm sure there's stuff that he, that he didn't even tell the president about.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and there's a lot people aren't going to tell the president.

• 1:27:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:27:12Speaker 02

  Uh, because it, you know, may have committed crimes or done things that they aren't proud of. So, um,

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  he may, uh, be able to release some files, but, uh, there may be a lot that still could be hidden.

• 1:27:32Danny Jones?

  You think it'll be some sort of a, a limited hangout or some sort of public, public distraction?

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:27:38Danny Jones?

  Something that really has no...

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see.

• 1:27:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  But that's not gonna keep me quiet. I'm gonna keep talking about this, what I've experienced. And I think other witnesses will too, and we might, we might see some new witnesses come forward too. So I think that if we're gonna get disclosure, I think it's gonna be from people like us, you know?

• 1:28:04Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so, so on Robert, on Robert Hastings specifically, what year did his book UFOs and Nukes come out? Do you remember? Was that the 90s? He came out with that? Or was that the early 2000s?

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:28:21Danny Jones?

  I can't remember.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  I can't remember either. Probably the 90s. I've got a copy at home, but I don't.

• 1:28:30Danny Jones?

  And he interviewed you for that, right?

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. We've known each other a long time.

• 1:28:34Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  In fact, I contacted him first during one of his lectures and talked to him about it. And he's the one that told me that he knows a guy that can back up my story. And that turned out to be Robert Jamison, that guy I told you about was involved in retargeting the missiles, my missiles with Oscar Flight.

• 1:28:59Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Wow. Yeah, it is interesting, like we were talking about before, the correlation between UFO sightings around the world and all the nuclear tests and nuclear buildup. It seems to be like this was something that was happening during the Cold War. It doesn't seem like it's happening anymore.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:29:16Danny Jones?

  But you also don't, you don't hear a lot about nuclear threats anymore either.

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Well, yes, you do. You hear.

• 1:29:23Danny Jones?

  I mean, other than.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  Putin threatening it every other day. But, um.

• 1:29:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but it's nothing, nothing near what we were talking about with the Cold War between Soviet Union and the United States.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  Well, okay, and I think it was 68, it may have been 67. There were over some 35,000, 35,000 nuclear weapons available.

• 1:29:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Between the US and the Soviet Union. And that number has gone down substantially, you know, to maybe a couple of thousand.

• 1:30:09Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  But, like I mentioned before, the, the number of countries that have access to these is growing and will probably keep growing because of, um.

• 1:30:25Danny Jones?

  Is this unlistenable?

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Oh, no, we can clean it up.

• 1:30:28Danny Jones?

  Okay, cool. It's raining right now. It's really loud.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Is that rain?

• 1:30:32Danny Jones?

  It's rain, yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  Really? Wow. Uh, yeah, the number of people, countries that have nuclear weapons will, I predict will increase because of this concept of nuclear deterrence. The US right now is able to flex its muscle, uh, because it has overwhelming, uh, you know, nuclear power, uh, nuclear weapons. And people are afraid of that. But countries like Japan have talked about building nuclear weapons.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  I think, uh, possibly Saudi Arabia will be in a position to, uh, develop nuclear weapons in the near future because they've, they've already acquired nuclear energy technology and they're using that.

• 1:31:27Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  And one of the results of using, uh,

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  plutonium rods, for example, to, uh, produce nuclear energy is that, uh, it increases the

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  weapons-grade uranium in those rods that could be used for dirty bombs, for example.

• 1:31:54Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  And one of the problems we have right now is getting rid of, uh, the, uh, these old, so-called old, uh,

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  nuclear rods, uh, and

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  how to dispose of it after its useful life.

• 1:32:14Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's interesting too, because there's not just, there's also sightings of reported UFO sightings around like nuclear power plants and things like that. It's like the Fukushima meltdown or the earthquake that caused the Fukushima emergency in Japan.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:32:36Danny Jones?

  Chernobyl, there was sites. And then also allegedly, I heard that close to that aerial school in Zimbabwe, there was some sort of a plutonium mine or something like that, or they're mining some sort of nuclear materials there near there. So it's just like a correlation, doesn't necessarily have to do with nuclear weapons sites. It also has to do with like nuclear power plants and other things like that. And, you know, nuclear, nuclear weapons

• 1:33:06Danny Jones?

  aren't just a threat to human lives, but they're a threat to like the earth as an organism itself, which is interesting. You know, it doesn't seem like whatever these things are, are interested, like, are they interested in saving humans? Or are they just interested in saving the earth as a planet? That's my question.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Well,

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  if you pollute the planet with radioactive material from a nuclear war.

• 1:33:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  It's essentially gonna, you know, kill a lot of different kinds of life.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  I don't know what your spiritual beliefs are, but of course, life is life.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  And

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  there are a lot of even vegetation, important vegetation that we have on this planet that,

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  you know, I'm sure they don't want to see destroyed.

• 1:34:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:34:15Danny Jones?

  Well, there's, it's interesting because like,

• 1:34:19Danny Jones?

  All the species of animals on this planet and like the plants and the trees and things from like phytoplankton to all the fish in the ocean and the animals on earth, they're all interdependent upon each other. And there's this symbiosis in nature and like this balance to nature. And it's, we are the one thing that seems to cause the most imbalance from whether it be fishing, poaching, nuclear power plants, things like this. It's like, it's almost like we don't really fit into this puzzle, right? It's like, we are the ones that are just like, are the biggest threat to it. It's like, it doesn't seem,

• 1:35:04Danny Jones?

  it seems so strange, right? Even like just the, the, the evolution of human beings, like we're so far away from, from, you know, the next, the next ape down the line from us. There's such a giant gap.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. So, but we're in control right now.

• 1:35:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:29Speaker 02

  Supposedly. We're not really doing a very good job of being in control or being, you know, supportive of keeping this planet the way it should be kept.

• 1:35:43Danny Jones?

  It doesn't seem like we are in control. Like who's in control?

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:47Danny Jones?

  You and I certainly aren't in control.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:49Danny Jones?

  And I, it doesn't seem like the politicians that we think are, you know, running these countries are even in control. Doesn't seem like the president is in control. And, you know, how many layers up does it go? And, and who really is in control? And people, and, and imagine, there are people, right? There's probably people right now, sitting on this earth, human beings like you and me, who know the truth about what these things are that were showing up at these nuclear sites, right?

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:36:21Danny Jones?

  There's probably people, there's probably a handful of people at least that know the truth about all of this stuff. All of the UFO incidences, all of the abduction incidents that have been reported, all this stuff.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Yep. I agree.

• 1:36:35Danny Jones?

  And they keep these secrets and they they know this stuff. And are they in control?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  No, I don't think they're in control either. Um, because it boils down to politics, right? It boils down to, uh,

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  optimally in a democracy, the people of the world uh, should have enough information or knowledge

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  to make the decisions that we need to make.

• 1:37:13Danny Jones?

  Or do the people maybe, I mean, uh, uh, according to to your your source, who was the CEO of the aerospace corporation? If these aerospace corporations have access to downed, reverse engineered machines and and, you know, have it's

• 1:37:36Danny Jones?

  it's been explained to me how the Pentagon and how the US government has pushed all of this stuff into private organizations to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests, right? So if these private companies have all this information and know the truth about what's going on, about what is going on, and they're shielded from the law because they have to be shielded from the public. Where does that go when you have, you know, multinational billion dollar capitalist organizations who are are are holding potentially the secrets of the universe in their hands?

• 1:38:18Danny Jones?

  You know, who are also paying the people that are quote, running our country?

• 1:38:25Danny Jones?

  How do you, like, how do you fit this into your worldview?

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Well, I think we shouldn't be naive. The world is being controlled by those who have the money, really, and the influence and the knowledge and these secrets, right? Because these secrets have to be very valuable, yes? For making weaponry, you know, advanced weaponry, or maybe even changing our understanding of physics.

• 1:39:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Highly valuable information. And, yeah, they're gonna try to hang on to that information as long as they can, in any way they can, because of this value.

• 1:39:19Danny Jones?

  Do you think there's any sort of layer above the governments, right? Or the governments of China, Russia, the United States? A layer above that basically shares all this knowledge?

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:34Danny Jones?

  And they agree on what they're gonna tell their people?

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  I'm convinced that there is what I call an international UFO cabal, or a group of people who are in the know about this subject, like you're talking about. They're controlling things. Very powerful people that are controlling the use of these secrets. And I think it is, it's an international organization.

• 1:40:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and I think they're probably siloing certain aspects of science as well, and scientific research.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:22Danny Jones?

  There was this email, I was looking at yesterday, Steve, you could probably find this pretty easily, there was an email that Jeffrey Epstein sent to someone, where he was bragging about how he killed cold fusion. There was some researcher or some scientist who was like, on the brink of developing and proving cold fusion in a test, and apparently Epstein got a hold of this and was able to kill it.

• 1:40:54Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 1:40:54Danny Jones?

  Based on a newly released document, Epstein claimed in an email to have played a role in stopping funding for cold fusion research in the late 1980s. The claim in an email exchange, Epstein mentioned, I killed Pons years ago, referring to Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishman, the scientist behind the 1989 University of Utah cold fusion experiment, according to analysis of these documents.

• 1:41:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's also citing Instagram. I was looking for something.

• 1:41:24Danny Jones?

  No, this was all over X. No, these were declassified. This was a literal declassified email.

• 1:41:32Danny Jones?

  So, I mean, when you have stuff like that coming out, it's like, what are we doing here?

• 1:41:38Danny Jones?

  Um, Bob, thank you for doing this, man. I really enjoyed it.

• 1:41:41Speaker 07

  I have something I want to share for Bob and, and, and, you know, maybe it will help him feel less gaslighted by the government. So I asked the chat GPT, well, it's not chat GPT, it's whatever this, you know, Google is. And I asked it if EMP weapons existed back then, and it basically, no, no EMP weapons existed in 1967, other than what can be produced from a nuclear weapon.

• 1:42:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:10Speaker 07

  Nuclear bomb.

• 1:42:11Danny Jones?

  No non-nuclear EMPs existed in 1967.

• 1:42:15Speaker 07

  Specifically, the research for non-nuclear, other also called just pulsed power weapons, was in its infancy. Research, no mobile deployment, so it couldn't have been wheeled to the facility or even thrown up into the air. And 30 feet is what I imagine how, how high it would have to be. And it says that it would have to be detonated or ignited so far up in, was it 400 kilometers into the Earth's atmosphere in order for it to affect a four mile circle in order to knock out all of those missiles, because it would use the atmospheric, um,

• 1:43:00Speaker 07

  the Earth's, what does it call it? The Earth's.

• 1:43:03Danny Jones?

  The magnetosphere.

• 1:43:04Speaker 07

  Magnetosphere to amplify the effect. So humans can't produce something that can deep dig deep into the ground, deep enough to turn off those missiles.

• 1:43:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:13Speaker 07

  Not even today.

• 1:43:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:15Speaker 07

  Certainly not back in 1967.

• 1:43:19Danny Jones?

  You're vindicated.

• 1:43:23Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:43:24Danny Jones?

  It's crazy that these kind of articles can come out, this sort of just like fake propaganda.

• 1:43:30Danny Jones?

  On, in a, in a, in the Wall Street Journal, no less.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Danny Jones?

  It's insane.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:43:36Danny Jones?

  Is there anything else that we should, uh, discuss before we wrap things up or tell people about?

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Well, I, um, can't think of anything, uh, uh, right now.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  I'm still open to, uh, testifying, of course, in front of Congress and the public under oath, uh, about my incidents, and I think other people would also testify under oath.

• 1:44:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Had they had any of the officers like you that were stationed at nuclear bases go in front of Congress yet?

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Not in front of Congress. Like I said, there, myself and others have testified to the Arrow Group.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  You know, I gave them a two and a half hour briefing, uh,

• 1:44:24Speaker 02

  uh, sent them over, uh, 21 pieces of evidence that I have.

• 1:44:31Speaker 02

  And, uh, they said it was going to be an official part of their record. But as of yet, they haven't reported on it, uh, or given, uh, my report to the Congress. I have to individuals such as, um, uh, Burleson, Congressman Burleson and, uh, and others.

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  And, uh, like I said, uh, I hope they have more hearings. I hope, uh, President Trump follows through and with his promise to, uh, release UFO information and.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  We'll just see what happens.

• 1:45:14Danny Jones?

  Amen. Well, thanks again. Is there any website that we can direct people to to find your stuff or get ahold of you?

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  I have a YouTube channel. I did have a website, but I discontinued it. I do have a YouTube channel though, under my name. And it has a lot of video of not only my incident, but other incidents. People might be interested in seeing.

• 1:45:43Danny Jones?

  Fantastic. Well, thanks again for doing this. I very much enjoyed it. And we'll link all your stuff below. That's all, folks.

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