"Celebrity Jeopardy!" Film Study: Share & Buzz & Tell with Mina Kimes and Timothy Simons

How does the game-show game clock move so fast? Why do you become 30% dumber when the cameras roll? And is Mina part of a sociopathic conspiracy with Ken Jennings? Plus: Andy Richter, button analytics, the dais height advantage, Daily Double anxiety, tanking board games for your kids... and a Stat Boy cameo. • Subscribe to "The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny" https://pod.link/1437647915 • Watch "Nobody Wants This" https://www.netflix.com/title/81591296 with Timothy Simons on Netflix Previously on PTFO: • Share & Jeopardy! & Tell with Mina Kimes and Dan Le Batard https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUzMWJkOWEtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtOWY5Njc4YWIyYjQx • Behind the Scenes of Pablo's History-Making "Family Feud" Adventure https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyYzVlNjgtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtYmI1YmNlMzc5M2Nk • How "Veep" Predicted Trump, with the Real-Life Jonah Ryan https://pod.link/1685093486/episode/OTUyOWQ5ZTAtODRkZC0xMWYwLWFjNDUtMGZhNDMzOWU5NTAx Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to Pablo Torre Finds Out. I am Pablo Torre, and today, we're gonna find out what this sound is.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  That was where, oh, that little bit of competitiveness was in there, like, "This is [bleep] bullshit. It's the electric slide, and now you're [bleep] against me."

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• 2:25Pablo Torre?

  We are doing a special episode of Pablo Torre Finds Out, which is a show about investigative journalism and also game show film study. What aired last Friday in the quarterfinals of not just any Celebrity Jeopardy, but Celebrity Jeopardy: All Stars, was, in fact, a pair of PTFO friends, Mina Kimes and Tim Simons.

• 2:48Speaker 05

  This is Celebrity Jeopardy: All Stars. Introducing tonight's celebrity player. You know him from the very popular shows Veep and Netflix's Nobody Wants This. It's actor and comedian Timothy Simons.

• 3:08Speaker 05

  A comedian you know from his years with Conan O'Brien, and most recently as a star on Dancing with the Stars. Say hello to Andy Richter.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  And she's a journalist, podcaster, and NFL analyst at ESPN. Please welcome Mina Kimes.

• 3:31Pablo Torre?

  And I was delighted to see you guys interact in front of a national audience as Mina's competitiveness, as always, surged almost immediately to the fore.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  I felt like I played it really cool in this episode. On the Mina Kimes scale of not playing it cool. No? Okay. Maybe not.

• 3:55Pablo Torre?

  I'm not gonna shade Mina for getting competitive, because I also do get, like, a little competitive in these things. Like, I'm not... I wanna get competitive enough that it won't ruin anybody's day, but it's more fun if we take it seriously.

• 4:10Speaker 06

  When did you find out who the competition was? This is already gonna reveal that I am more competitive, and I'm pretending I'm trying to be cool and I'm not. But when did you find out it was me and Andy?

• 4:21Pablo Torre?

  Maybe a week before? I will say, Mina, and this is a compliment to you, I saw that and I was like, "Well, [bleep]!"

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Not that I don't think Andy Richter is gonna be a threat, but when I saw that you were on there, I was like, okay, well, I'll be making the minimum amount for my charity.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  Okay, so this is where the overly competitive part comes in.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:41Speaker 06

  So we're all talking, we're chit-chatting before. I see Tim, like, Tim, so good to see you, buddy, you know, how you feeling? Meeting your kids. I see Andy, and Andy, who I'm meeting for the first time, lovely person, like, as warm as he seems in real life, immediately reveals that he has been up since the crack of dawn, because he's also doing, you talked about this during the show, Dancing with the Stars, which is like a four-hour practice.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  He's the Bo Jackson of celebrity game shows.

• 5:09Pablo Torre?

  Yeah.

• 5:10Speaker 06

  He says this to me, and I'm like, [BLEEP] yeah. He's playing hurt. The devil in my shoulder just wakes up and is like, hoo-hoo, you got an advantage! And I'm not, I'm ashamed to admit it, but that was my thought process, and watching it back, you could tell he was a little tired.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:30Pablo Torre?

  Wow. Okay, well, here's the thing, though, is that when the game gets going, I will say, neither of you seem particularly strong to start.

• 5:39Speaker 06

  I'll start with 21st Century Bookshelf for 400.

• 5:43Speaker 07

  Barbara Kingsolver's award-winning Demon Copperhead is similar to this Charles Dickens novel, both in theme and in title. Mina?

• 5:51Speaker 06

  Yeah? What is Oliver Twist?

• 5:53Speaker 07

  No. Andy, what is David Copperfield? That's right.

• 5:57Speaker 08

  Uh, let's go to Non-Coastal America for 300.

• 6:02Speaker 07

  The mayor of this city where Breaking Bad was set uses tamaleswood for its burgeoning film and TV industry. Timothy?

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Uh, what is, um, oh, Lord, Albuquerque.

• 6:13Speaker 07

  Oh, too much time. Mina?

• 6:15Speaker 06

  What is Albuquerque?

• 6:16Speaker 07

  It was. Tim just barely missed it. Time ran out for you?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Oh, stolen valor.

• 6:20Speaker 06

  That's what it does mean, I know.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Oh, God. I feel like you gotta get the bad one out of the way early. Like, I've shot in Albuquerque before. And, you know, you get in your head about the button, because I'd be like, I knew the Demon Copperhead answer, I knew like the David Copperfield, like, I know that. And you're in your head about button timing, and, and then you have them, and you're just, your mind goes blank. So I feel like I had a bad one early on the first time that I did it, and it was like, all right, we got a long game, we can recover.

• 6:46Speaker 06

  You ever seen the Colts, that famous trick punt where it's like four guys lined, it's like the worst trick play of all time?

• 6:53Speaker 05

  He'll snap it. Actually, Colt Anderson is behind him.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  What in the world?

• 7:01Speaker 06

  And like you're watching it and you're thinking like, you idiots, who in your right mind like would ever have thought this? But I'm sure some guy in the moment, you know, when they were planning it, thought this might work. And like when you're watching it at home, everything is so obvious, so crystal clear.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:17Speaker 06

  But like when you're up there, I don't know what happens. It's something, the combination of like the music and the lights and the timing, your brain doesn't work the way it normally does, Tim.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  And it's something that like actors sort of tell each other to make themselves feel better in audition rooms when they like completely blow an audition, which is the moment somebody aims a camera at you, you become 30% dumber than you were the moment before.

• 7:41Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  And that, and that is 100% what is happening here. Like it is true. Like I would like run commercial casting sessions out here and there was like a story about like a guy that came in and I was like, hey, just show me your profiles, which literally just means turn your head to the both sides. And he was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't bring them. Because you just are dumber when cameras are on you. It's impossible for your body to not just like cut off 30% of your brain.

• 8:10Pablo Torre?

  I'm glad that Mina brings up the sports stuff here because insofar as the questions are yes, seemingly easier than in normal jeopardy. I enjoyed that it took so long for Mina to break the seal on sports after what was a relatively slow start.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  Let's do sports history for 400.

• 8:30Speaker 07

  In a 2024 Bills 49ers game, he became the first ever NFL QB with passing, rushing, and receiving touchdowns in a single game. Mina.

• 8:40Speaker 06

  It was Josh Allen.

• 8:40Speaker 07

  We got a sports clue for you, NFL even. That's correct, and it ties you with Andy for the lead, and it brings us to our first break. Celebrity Jeopardy All Stars will continue after.

• 8:48Pablo Torre?

  I mean, Mina, you could not have been proud of that.

• 8:51Speaker 06

  I was really hoping there'd be no sports categories because it would be so shameful for me to miss a sports question. But then I remembered that on Jeopardy, sports is the easiest category every time, so.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  I don't know if there's like a sports analogy for this or like, you know, somebody who can like assumes they're gonna like waltz in and get drafted high and then they have like a really bad combine. I like, I think I came in cocky about my button timing because I was pretty good with it the last time. So I was like, I don't even have to worry about that.

• 9:20Pablo Torre?

  You're Shador Sanders. That's the comparison that you've drawn.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Probably so. I'm the Shador Sanders of Celebrity Jeopardy All Stars. Just like, I got this locked and it was not there.

• 9:34Pablo Torre?

  I do want to point out, I was watching, as I often do when I'm grinding tape of Celebrity Jeopardy that my friends are on. And there's another sports category question that if you just watch Mina as Tim answers the question, you get a sense of a level of intensity that I think is worth acknowledging here.

• 9:52Speaker 07

  Claiming to be the first college athlete to sell these three-part rights in 2021, Antoine Owens of Jackson State, signed with Three Kings Grooming. Timothy.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  What, his name ain't even like this?

• 10:03Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 10:07Speaker 06

  I don't think that's even the worst one. Oh, wow.

• 10:09Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, let's push in on that.

• 10:14Speaker 06

  I just get so mad, you get so mad at it. So for those who don't know, you get, the way the buzzer in Jeopardy works, and again, because it's Celebrity Jeopardy and we know most, they're easier. The buzzer is even more important, right? You get locked out if you come in too early. But of course, you also want to beat everyone. So it's like, the buzzer is really quietly the most important part of the game. So I was really trying to stay calm, which is insane when you watch it back and see how uncalm I was the entire time about it. But it is infuriating in Celebrity Jeopardy because the question's being easier.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  There is the thing that like, they tell you that it is based off when the light goes off and when the light, the light that's around the board is also based off of the moment that he finishes the last syllable of the clue.

• 11:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  I wonder if we can get. Our button timing reports, like the F1 drivers get their like, you know, they're like throttle and brake, like.

• 11:19Pablo Torre?

  You want button analytics.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  I want button analytics.

• 11:23Speaker 06

  You can ask them in the show how you're like, am I coming in too early? Am I coming in too late? And if I, and there was one thing, if I had to give people a piece of advice, because I did have a decent buzz in this game. You have to, and this is the most important thing.

• 11:38Pablo Torre?

  As evidenced by the phrase that she naturally uses now, having a decent buzz.

• 11:44Speaker 06

  You gotta figure out what works for you. And once you realize it, you have to just be like a metronome. So I recognized in my last run, and I carried that over to this one, that the lights meant nothing to me and I was buzzing entirely based on Ken's voice going up at the end. So I wasn't even looking at the lights, purely listening to the voice. And I thought I was coming in, uh, early, but I was coming in late. So I started going a little earlier and then I was buzzing correctly. So from that point on, I was like, always go in earlier than you're comfortable with intuitively and do it off of his voice. So really you have to like, pay attention within the show to what's working and then stay in that rhythm. That was the thing that I remember from.

• 12:29Pablo Torre?

  This is like listening to a quarterback and a center describe like a cadence for a snap cap.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Can I also tell you, if you, if you zoom in on me, I'm kind of doing a two-hand grip so that I can loosen up, so that like most of the weight is in my left hand. So there's no tension in my right hand for the button. But when that stops working, I kind of shifted around a little bit. And this goes back to like my golf knowledge. Do you remember when Norman collapsed in the Masters in like 1996? He like lost like a five-stroke or four-stroke lead on Sunday.

• 13:01Pablo Torre?

  Yes, Greg Norman, the shark.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was listening to a podcast about that Masters. And somebody was saying, like, like a golf reporter was like, he lost that tournament before he even started. It didn't matter how far ahead he was. It was, he was [BLEEP] with his grip on Thursday. And he was playing well and he was getting through it. But as soon as you get to the pressure on Sunday, the lack of confidence in your grip, that's what [BLEEP] him. They were like, he didn't lose it on Sunday. He lost it on Wednesday.

• 13:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  And that's where I felt like I was like, as soon as it started going wrong, I was like, oh, is, is the two-hand method not the right method? And then I tried to go away from that and that didn't work. So then you go back to the two-hand method.

• 13:44Pablo Torre?

  So I was shocked, but ultimately unsurprised to discover the vibrant, like subreddit and internet forum community around Jeopardy! and Jeopardy! strategy. Tim, have you like delved into that at all?

• 13:57Speaker 01

  I haven't. And the moment before the show that Mina told me she had, I knew I had made a terrible mistake by not doing that.

• 14:07Speaker 06

  One more little, I don't know how you, what you're, you had, you said you did the wrist strategy. Some people do behind the back, some people do. I don't know if you did a-

• 14:13Pablo Torre?

  Behind the back?

• 14:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's the thing people do. Did you do 45-degree thumb? Because I also realized, again, just noticing in game, when I had it at a 45-degree, almost like halfway pressing, that it was working for me. I just, to me, to your point about like the golfing, like, you just have to be a metronome. You have to like stick with what works and don't deviate from that. Holding it, thumb timing, just stay with it. Because the second you deviate from it is when you start losing.

• 14:40Pablo Torre?

  I want to point out here that one of the hallmarks of someone who's struggling at golf or at Jeopardy! is complaining. And Tim brought a grievance that I was completely unfamiliar with.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  So when I was on last time, I only missed winning by a hundred dollars. And there was a category that was like a rhyme category where you had to put two words together. It was like, famous physicist from Oslo and, and a part of the skin.

• 15:17Speaker 07

  Danish physicist Niels's small openings in skin.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, Niels bore and poor. Because it was going to be possessive. I said, bores poor.

• 15:29Speaker 07

  Tim.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  What is bores poor?

• 15:32Speaker 07

  I'm afraid not. Lisa Ann. What is Boar's Pores? Yeah, it's got a rhyme, Tim. I'm sorry. We're strict about the rhyme. Scientist Rhyme Time 900, please. Tim staring down the judges.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  So apparently by Jeopardy rules, if the first word is plural, the second word has to be plural. And I was furious. And then it just became like, we had like, you know, a bunch of people over the house, over the house to watch it. And it became a running joke in our group, in our group of friends in the neighborhood, including that like, there was like a white elephant party around Christmas that year. Somebody had gotten, had made a tote bag with Boar's Pore on it. Like, it had become that big of a thing. And I just, in these circumstances, I like being competitive and I like taking them seriously. But I just don't think you should ever miss an opportunity for a bit.

• 16:25Speaker 07

  I'm told you have something you want to get off your chest here today.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, I have written a brief statement.

• 16:30Speaker 07

  Okay, go ahead.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  A few years ago, I was on the losing side of an egregious judge's call about the nature of rhyme. I responded with Boar's Pore, and it was ruled incorrect because it was not plural. I didn't then, and still do not agree with this decision. But after discussions with my attorney, spiritual guides, and multiple therapists, I have decided to move past the white-hot rage that burned inside of me and return to Celebrity Jeopardy, where I hope to perform with integrity and professionalism, and I hope that the rest of us can do the same.

• 17:08Speaker 06

  The statement was very funny, by the way. And you told us, you asked them beforehand, after Andy did his reveal. Here was my thought process. Andy's like, "I've been up since the crack had done." And I'm like, "Oh, man." And then, you know, my devil brain's like, "Fuck." And then Tim's like, "I'm gonna do a statement." And I'm like, "That's gonna be really funny." And my devil brain's like, "He's doing bitch."

• 17:34Speaker 06

  I just don't, I don't even know. It's like a little, make it like a little Peyton Manning head that like, is like, just, yeah, wants to win at all costs.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Pablo, is this something, having known Mina for a while, is this something that I didn't know about Mina going in?

• 17:48Pablo Torre?

  It's the number one thing. It's the number, so people will ask me on the street, what's Mina, is she really like what she is on television? And I'm like, you have to imagine that, but also quietly, like Patrick Bateman of game shows.

• 18:03Speaker 06

  I just don't like losing.

• 18:04Pablo Torre?

  Sociopathically, cut your head off, but leave the suit completely clean of blood. Somehow, people are still not clued in that Mina Combs is the most competitive person, possibly in America.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Can I ask you, do you know what this traces back to? And does it apply to everything? Or does it just apply to like game shows like this?

• 18:28Speaker 06

  Um, to give you a anecdote from my childhood that might explain this.

• 18:36Pablo Torre?

  Allow me to answer the question for Mina. The answer is yes and yes.

• 18:40Speaker 06

  My dad didn't let me win in board games when I was like four. As a parent of a young child, I now see how hilarious that is. And it made me the psycho I am today. Um, I also did like geography bees and spelling bees, and he would study with me for them. Like, my dad was in the military and, yeah, anyway. So I think it was kind of instilled in me at a young age.

• 19:03Pablo Torre?

  She was doing the Tiger Woods Navy SEAL drills, but for games.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 19:08Pablo Torre?

  By the way, not letting your kid win when they're four as the, as the father of a daughter, of a six-year-old, the number of games that I've tanked, just to maintain peace in my household. Tim, what is your, what is your approach to, uh... Games with your kids on that, on that level.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Feel like I might lean more a little bit toward Mina's dad in this because definitely when I was playing games with the kids, I was like, these guys aren't following the rules. Like, why, why are we playing the game? Why are we playing the game if we're not even gonna follow the rules?

• 19:39Speaker 06

  When they were young, though?

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, when they were young. And I think I had read in a book somewhere that ultimately, if your child tries something and doesn't succeed and you say, "Good job", the cognitive dissonance of that is actually not great for them to be, because they can see what their eyes saw. And if, so if they like throw a, if they have like a little model airplane or whatever and you, they throw it, or they try to throw a frisbee and it goes straight into the ground and you're like, "Good job", it's like, well, they're like, "But I [bleep] didn't. I know what a frisbee's supposed to do, and it didn't happen. Why are you telling me?" And so I took that and ran with that with like Sorry and, and all of the like kid board games.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Here's how you know that worked. Because my husband was sitting in the front row next to Tim's kids.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Oh, this made me really happy.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  And afterwards, Nick told me that they were living and dying. Like, every correct answer Tim had, they were like, "You got this, Dad", and as the show went on and I was stomping him, they were so upset, according to Nick. And they were like, "No!" Like, they were so invested in their dad's success.

• 21:12Pablo Torre?

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• 22:46Pablo Torre?

  So now the question becomes, how would both of your parents, sets of parents, how would they feel after they saw this?

• 22:56Speaker 06

  Let's do Menno your Menomics for... Why are you always showing the stuff I was bad at?

• 23:01Speaker 07

  You can say that any way you want.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Can I do No Your Menomics for 400, please?

• 23:08Speaker 07

  Astrologically, in a tense gray cat, lay very low, sneaking slowly, contemplating a pounce. Sneaking slowly means these two.

• 23:21Speaker 07

  What are the two S's of the zodiac? Sagittarius and Scorpio. Back to you, Tim.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Uh, No Your N- N- N- for 200. Can I tell you when I was watching this last night and he said, "No your mnemonics"? I was like, I know how to pronounce that. I was so confident, sitting on the couch. I had no memory of the fact that I just had an aneurysm on that word, shooting the show.

• 23:46Speaker 06

  Those are the ones that are jeopardy for me are the hardest ones where it's not just like a fact you know. You have to like, do some sort of mental calculus while you're, because of the time and the pressure and the way your brain works, it just doesn't add up.

• 24:01Pablo Torre?

  The game clock moving faster than you realize is another thing, I think, that's shared across television into sports versus real life. And one other example of this was when this question came up.

• 24:15Speaker 06

  Let's do Meet the Planets for 800.

• 24:18Speaker 09

  I hear ya.

• 24:19Speaker 08

  This seventh planet is named for a lesser known deity, the son and husband of Gia.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  I.

• 24:28Speaker 08

  You missed your chance to say it on national TV. What is Uranus? Uranus. Never wrong. Back to you, Mina.

• 24:34Speaker 09

  Oh, God. Uh, let's.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Kornheiser's gonna be disappointed in you.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Did you know that I got to be Stat Boy one time?

• 24:43Pablo Torre?

  I did. I, this is, this is, this is a legend.

• 24:45Speaker 09

  What?

• 24:46Pablo Torre?

  This is a legend in the PTI office is that, I don't know how it happened, but you were a Stat Boy.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  I think I just, we were shooting in Baltimore and they recorded in DC. I'm a longtime PTI watcher and listener.

• 24:58Pablo Torre?

  Yes. Wait, you were doing Veep at the time?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was, I was doing Veep at the time, but it was pretty early on. I think it was probably second, it was probably second season, because I don't think they would have been like, yeah, come on the show unless they had seen it. You know, they were like, hey, some guy that's on a show that isn't out yet.

• 25:14Pablo Torre?

  I distinctly remember Kornheiser seeing the clip of you saying that you were [BLEEP] Clitz.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  How am I doing? Eating so much [BLEEP] damn [BLEEP] Clitz, son?

• 25:22Speaker 05

  Hey!

• 25:23Speaker 01

  What?

• 25:23Speaker 05

  This is elementary school. Watch your spewing mouth, you animal.

• 25:27Pablo Torre?

  And he was like, yep, now.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, get him on.

• 25:30Pablo Torre?

  Bring him in, bring him in.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  And I just, I think I like reached out.

• 25:34Speaker 08

  Time to find out what we messed up and let's go back to the man from Veep and these upcoming movies, The Interview and Inherent Vice. And believe me, nobody gets a plug like this. Timothy Simons.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  I did a bad job being stat boy because I was really nervous. And I had a good joke about Jay Cutler that they told me that I could throw in. Because it was like, oh, like, how should Jay Cutler feel about the Jeff George comparisons? Jay Cutler should feel blank about being compared to Jeff George.

• 26:03Speaker 07

  He should feel furious. This is who.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  And mine was gonna be like, he should be exceedingly happy to be compared to Jeff George. Because I was very anti-Cutler at that point. And in my ear, they said like, yeah, throw in the bit if you want. And I completely froze. It was like I wasn't even there. Mike Wilbon, thank you very much. You brought your A-game for me. No mistakes. The gentleman who is not Mike Wilbon, you pronounced it Hooping Cough. And it's, of course, everybody knows, Whooping Cough.

• 26:30Speaker 08

  It's that Long Island thing.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  It's good. I'm seeing it. She's got you on that.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  I didn't take advantage of the opportunity that I was given. But I was very happy that they had me on.

• 26:41Pablo Torre?

  This is taking us to a bit of an inflection point that I was monitoring personally from PTFO headquarters. Because of course, last time, Mina's undoing was herself.

• 26:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:52Pablo Torre?

  I mean, Mina, to just recap it, the daily double strategy. I mean, so much of what it turns out Jeopardy read it, and Jeopardy Analytics would suggest, would demand of a good contestant is...

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Would demand?

• 27:05Pablo Torre?

  You must hunt daily doubles. And then, when you get to them, Mina, what's the strategy supposed to be?

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Hunting daily doubles is really important, Jeopardy. And that's not even about getting points for yourself. It's about playing defense, right? And keeping them out of the hands of other people is as important a part of why you hunt daily doubles. I don't think...

• 27:25Pablo Torre?

  Tim was just discovering the game he was actually playing.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:29Pablo Torre?

  Days, months later.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  Actually, how much you wager, it does, your knowledge of the category does matter, Pablo. Like, you shouldn't just wager willy-nilly if you don't know a category. And the one that I did get in this game was a category I genuinely felt I didn't know. The dreaded upper category for 800.

• 27:48Speaker 07

  Answer there is a daily double, Mina.

• 27:54Speaker 07

  Now, we don't know how much you're actually dreading the opera category.

• 27:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, a lot. I don't know anything about opera. I'll just go 1,500.

• 28:02Speaker 07

  Okay, you'll have 7,900 if you're right. Let's look on the positive. Here's your clue in the dreaded opera category. Delicate as a winged insect, the geisha Chochosan in Puccini's opera is the real name of this title character.

• 28:14Speaker 06

  It is Madam Butterfly.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  See, you do know your opera. There you go.

• 28:18Speaker 06

  I actually wasn't that hard on myself afterwards for wagering conservatively on it was opera, because I truly, at that point, did not know very much about opera.

• 28:27Pablo Torre?

  Tim, reliving his daily double experience in triple jeopardy, I do think that it's worth noting that this happened.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Director's cut for 1,200?

• 28:37Speaker 07

  Answer there. A daily double for you this time, Timothy.

• 28:40Speaker 06

  This was hard, though. This whole category was hard, the director's cut category.

• 28:45Speaker 07

  You could move into first place if you wager big here.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go 1,500.

• 28:51Speaker 07

  Okay. For 6,600 then, here's your clue in director's cut. A speech intended to persuade, plus a floating ice mass, equals this filmmaker.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Who's Peter Berg?

• 29:11Speaker 07

  Sorry, no. The speech is a spiel. What is Spielberg?

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Oh, shoot.

• 29:16Speaker 07

  So you dropped out a little bit, too.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  I thought it was first name, last name.

• 29:20Speaker 07

  Good news for Mina, that you two found the daily doubles there. It was a good guess.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  All right. You're just trying to make me feel better, and I appreciate it.

• 29:26Speaker 07

  I absolutely am, yes. I don't want to be on the receiving end of one of your little reconciliation speeches.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I have a brief written statement for Ken.

• 29:36Pablo Torre?

  Peter Berg is such a good answer if you're assuming that it must be first name, last name, which I think was unclear to me as well. I was kind of mad on Tim's behalf when I heard Ken's, just sort of like, of course, it could have been just one name.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  And I think also there was a, afterwards, I was also like, I guess I thought it was spiel and not spiel?

• 29:59Speaker 06

  It is spiel.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  It is spiel.

• 30:00Speaker 06

  I think they're just, yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  And I know they like, look, again, the performance speaks for itself.

• 30:07Pablo Torre?

  We're sending a letter. We're sending a letter to Michael Davies.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  But these are the ones that were hard for our conversation earlier. The ones where you have to do like multiple steps and your buzzer's going, it's horrible.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  And this was one where I probably should have wagered some more because I did feel pretty confident in that category. Like, I could have, I could have cleared that board. I think the, the pressure being singularly, and like, again, Mina, you can probably speak to this too. When you have the daily double, you have to like put your buzzer down. So like the little, you know, wooby of comfort that you have, you then also are just like completely naked out there and everybody is focused on you. Like, it does, it ramps it all up.

• 30:48Pablo Torre?

  What do you do with your hands at that point?

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 30:51Speaker 06

  Yes. The, the daily doubles are, I think, the most stressful part of Jeopardy, for sure.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  It also was hard for me in that moment too because somebody was like revving motorcycles outside my house and keeping me awake the night before and I'm maybe, maybe putting it together that they were hired by Mina Kimes?

• 31:09Pablo Torre?

  I was gonna say, I'm not saying that there was a larger Seattle-based conspiracy, given that Ken Jennings happens to be a Mina Kimes superfan from her work on such programs as NFL Live. But I do believe that Tim Simons might have a constitutional, you know, appeal.

• 31:25Speaker 06

  I don't think he's a superfan, but...

• 31:28Pablo Torre?

  Well, the heartbreaking part for Tim is that he does the thing that you're supposed to do, which is get the daily doubles. And then...

• 31:35Speaker 06

  Did you get another one?

• 31:36Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, he had another one.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Uh, mommy, daddy, read it again for 1,500.

• 31:41Speaker 07

  Answer.

• 31:42Speaker 06

  This was hard too. This was hard.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  You can see already, I'm like...

• 31:47Speaker 07

  Believe it or not, this is an opportunity. You can once again...

• 31:50Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 31:51Speaker 06

  Trying to be chill.

• 31:52Speaker 07

  Mommy, daddy, read it again. What do you want to risk?

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Again, that sounds like, that sounds pointed.

• 31:57Speaker 07

  No. I don't want to sound like I'm pressuring you to make a big wager. You can wager any amount you want.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  I'm gonna, I don't have a lot of confidence in this, so I'm just gonna go like, I'm gonna go 1,000.

• 32:07Speaker 06

  So I'm stoked right here.

• 32:08Speaker 07

  Okay, just 1,000. Mommy, daddy, read it again. Mommy, I like when you look at me and say, "To me, you will be unique in all the world, like this royal space traveler." Again.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Who is, I like when you're like... Who is the little boy who went to space and had a great time?

• 32:31Speaker 07

  Uh, no. I'm sorry. No, you're close. The little prince. Oh. The little prince. He had a great time, too.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Can we get a judge's call on that one?

• 32:42Pablo Torre?

  I should say, just in terms of the dollar amounts at that point, it was still a game. I mean, Mina had 9,900, Tim, you had 6,300, and then that happened. And Mina, of course, was celebrating. As soon as she did the math in her head, she was like... Her fist clenched.

• 32:57Speaker 06

  I was happier that he wagered so little than that he got it wrong. Actually, I was really worried he would do truly the double.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  That's like you just noticing like an offensive lineman's footwork. And just being like, oh, this is all gonna fall apart. Like, the left side is protected right now, but when he starts getting tired...

• 33:14Pablo Torre?

  Jay Cutler's about to throw a pick. This is absolutely ending in a turnover.

• 33:18Speaker 06

  I was surprised. I just thought, children's books, he's got kids, he could really double me up here. And then when you went 1,000, as you saw, I was like, hmm, hmm.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Can we zoom in on that one, too?

• 33:29Pablo Torre?

  Yeah, we're gonna push in. We're gonna push in on Mina reading the defense.

• 33:33Speaker 06

  That's a hard one. You got hard questions, Tim.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 33:37Pablo Torre?

  Speaking of moving feet, though, and a difficult question. I did enjoy the dance category.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Check out my dance moves for 1,200?

• 33:47Speaker 07

  Take it back now, y'all, and one hop this time. Our DJ Kenan Thompson's instructions in a 2019 SNL sketch featuring this dance. Mina.

• 33:56Speaker 06

  What is the keep it shuffle? I thought I was right.

• 33:58Speaker 07

  Timothy.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  What is the electric slide?

• 34:00Speaker 07

  Also incorrect. What? Andy, Andy's just gonna sit on his dance knowledge here. What is the cha-cha slide?

• 34:08Speaker 06

  I thought I had that one.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  I obviously thought I had that one, too. What is the electric slide?

• 34:13Speaker 07

  Also incorrect. What?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  That was the only moment where I feel like the mask slipped too much on the bit.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Where I was revealing what was underneath, you know what I mean?

• 34:27Speaker 06

  You were upset with yourself. You wanted that one.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  I wanted that one, yeah. That was where, oh, that little bit of competitiveness was in there like, this is **** bullshit. It's the electric slide and now you're **** against me.

• 34:41Pablo Torre?

  I was gonna say, when are we gonna get some Jonah Ryan out of Tim? And right there in the what? Banging the podium, I was like, finally. I should say that at this point in the show, Mina just goes on an absolute run.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 34:57Speaker 06

  From beyond the grave for 1500.

• 35:00Speaker 07

  Kind of a Nordic version of lox. It's salmon that's been cured in a salt brine, sometimes with Aquavite.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  What the ****?

• 35:06Speaker 06

  What is gravlax?

• 35:07Speaker 07

  1500 for you. Some political aides are on the medial side.

• 35:12Speaker 06

  Brutal!

• 35:12Speaker 07

  Tony Hale was a bagman. And on Zero Day, Jesse Plemons is put down as this man.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  I, what the ****?

• 35:19Speaker 06

  What is the Body Man?

• 35:19Speaker 07

  Correct. Try it if you dare. Alfonso Ribero based this character's move on, quote, "the corniest dance on the planet." Mina.

• 35:28Speaker 06

  What is Carlton?

• 35:29Speaker 07

  The Carlton Dance, yeah.

• 35:30Speaker 06

  Uh, Mommy Daddy Read It Again for 300.

• 35:34Speaker 07

  Again, the story of this inquisitive animal. And can I have a first edition of the book he was spun off from? Cecily G. and the Nine Monkeys? Mina.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  With Curious George?

• 35:43Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  I mean, I would have got, I wouldn't have gotten gravlax. I would not have gotten that one. But the other two, I might have been able to get, like, just get you back on your heels a little bit.

• 35:56Pablo Torre?

  The other one that you're basically in?

• 35:58Speaker 01

  I'm in that show.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  It's important to reinforce to people if, how Celebrity Jeopardy is like 80% about the buzzer.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:06Speaker 06

  I cannot stress that enough.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  They should give us an opportunity to like be able to press a different button, which just is, I knew that. You know, I just, I did know that.

• 36:16Speaker 06

  That button is called...

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 06

  Be super demonstrative about it so everyone knows that you knew it. It's actually not why I do that. I do that because out of legitimate fury, but...

• 36:29Pablo Torre?

  If you look at the first one that we've played of Mina, it's like she's just disappointed in the buzzer. And then it gets just increasingly agitated.

• 36:36Speaker 06

  I'm looking at it like, is it working? I'm looking at my technique. I'm so mad.

• 36:40Pablo Torre?

  Like increasingly disgusted.

• 36:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:43Pablo Torre?

  But this, it did bring us to one of these moments where I'm like, okay, how's Mina doing? Because I look, I've played Celebrity Family Feud with Mina. And viewers of this show who watched that film room session know that behind the scenes, Mina was audibly disappointed in her teammates at times. And in this...

• 37:04Speaker 06

  We don't have to get into that.

• 37:09Speaker 06

  This is so stupid. This is so stupid.

• 37:16Speaker 06

  Celebrity Family Feud is a dumb game, too.

• 37:19Pablo Torre?

  And she was mad that...

• 37:20Speaker 06

  You're mad at America when you play it.

• 37:22Pablo Torre?

  She was disappointed in the American people. In the 100 people at the Mall of America that we presume that they poll. But this, it got, there's like a smile going into commercial break. She was feeling confident. And we got to the last category.

• 37:41Speaker 07

  We wind up tonight's game of Celebrity Jeopardy All Stars with Final Jeopardy. And our category tonight is Historic Defendants. Here's the clue. In 2022, Elizabeth Johnson Jr. was formally exonerated of this by the state of Massachusetts, 329 years after her conviction. You have 30 seconds, players. Good luck.

• 38:06Speaker 07

  We'll start in the middle with Andy Richter, $5,600 coming into Final Jeopardy. And wrote down a response quickly. He wrote down, "What is witchcraft?" Yes, she had been convicted at the Salem Witch Trials, I believe the last one to have her record cleared. What did you wager, Andy? Almost everything. You will nearly double up. You now have $11,199. Timothy Simons was in second place with $8,000. And boy, he was writing another letter of grievance. That was a long response. Let's see what you got, Timothy. What is the Tea Party? Throwing all that tea away. That should be a crime. Unfortunately, we know now it's not the Boston Tea Party. What did you wager? All of it. So you go down to zero, I'm afraid. Mina Kimes cannot be caught here. Seventeen thousand, one hundred. Did she know it was witchcraft?

• 38:51Speaker 07

  She's right. What did you bet? Didn't have to bet a penny. With seventeen thousand, one hundred dollars, Mina Kimes, you've just advanced to the Celebrity Jeopardy! All-Star semifinals. Congratulations. Thirty thousand dollars, Andy and Tim, for each of your charities.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  If we had like, actual like, sports-based replay, I would be like, go back to when it first cuts to her. It is the most insulting thing.

• 39:17Pablo Torre?

  Yes.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  How calmly and gently...

• 39:21Pablo Torre?

  Thank you for pointing this out.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  And still, she is, in that moment. It is the worst possible thing she could have done.

• 39:28Pablo Torre?

  It was Patrick Bateman.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  They told us! Okay. They told us. First of all, it's antic... When a game is in Jeopardy! parlance, it's called a runaway.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  In modern...

• 39:42Speaker 06

  The Jeopardy! people don't love it because it's anticlimactic, right?

• 39:45Pablo Torre?

  What parlance? Who decides Jeopardy! parlance, by the way?

• 39:48Speaker 06

  Things called a crush game. Anyways. But they told us, they were like, please, just keep a stone face. Regardless, like, don't celebrate. And also, they said, and Tim was here for this, like, don't betray whether you know it or not. Don't betray any emotional reaction. So I was really trying to be like, just be calm. You've already won. That's great. Just be chill. Don't make a face. So I was really trying to not betray any emotions at all.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  They still seeped through.

• 40:17Pablo Torre?

  I was gonna say, I'm not sure if Mina Kimes, the actress, is necessarily nailing that particular role.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  They're gonna be like, let's do that one more time.

• 40:25Speaker 06

  I just love winning. I'm sorry. I just love...

• 40:28Pablo Torre?

  Guys, I just love winning so much.

• 40:42Speaker 10

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• 42:13Speaker 01

  Do you also do this thing? Like, I watched that show last night and I am like, "God, I gotta work on my posture." Do you also do this? Like, do you, whenever you actually see yourself, like, you're like, "Ah, [bleep], is that what I actually look like?" And I noticed that when I was writing down my answer, I had decided to, like, bend at a 90-degree angle at the waist.

• 42:33Speaker 06

  Well, is this where we talk about the fact that I had a little bit of a disadvantage? Andy may have had to dance at 7 a.m. But because one of my competitors, I'm not gonna say which one, is, was so freakishly tall, I'm good, I'm not naming, you can guess, they had to put me on a little riser and lift me like six inches off the ground. And if I had stepped to one side, I would have fallen in hilarious fashion. So I was trying to stay perfectly still also the entire game, which honestly, a little bit of a disadvantage, because I'm a little bit nervous about falling.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  It is like an ankle twisting height, you know what I mean? It's like just high enough.

• 43:16Pablo Torre?

  Wait, Tim, how tall are you?

• 43:18Speaker 01

  I'm six foot five, almost six foot six, like I'm up there.

• 43:21Pablo Torre?

  Just the photos, by the way, what this led to? So this is an alleged disadvantage for Mina in the game because the, the height and the verticality.

• 43:30Speaker 06

  I'm just saying, you're on a little riser and then you, so you have to play on this thing, like on a little stilts.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  It's like a, it's like a pneumatic thing that raises us all up.

• 43:37Speaker 06

  It's behind, goes vvvvv.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  So that we're the same height.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  It's like a standing desk.

• 43:41Pablo Torre?

  But this explains why you were turning Ken Jennings into Bryce Young.

• 43:45Speaker 06

  Oh, yes, you saw this. I posted a picture with Ken Jennings and everyone was like, whoa, you're taller than Ken Jennings. And Ken was like, there is a riser. So then, Ken is the best. So then I had to explain to people, I even posted the height chart of all four of us, going from me to Tim, to debunk, uh, the internet. People also don't understand that I am not a small woman, because I work all day with two men who are six foot five, um, myself, and on NFL Live, so I, it like throws people's sense of, I'm almost 5'7" myself. Uh, but Ken Jennings is probably like 5'10", I would say.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  So you, what you're saying is that people were assuming that you frame mugged him? Is that where it was going?

• 44:30Speaker 06

  I, I think it was, people thought it was a, yes, that a little bit of a frame mugging, a little bit of an alpha move, maybe.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:37Speaker 06

  But it's fine, I didn't mind being on the riser. Honestly, it maybe, it helped me lock in a little bit and keep perfectly still. I did a couple of other like breathing exercises during the show to make sure I stayed perfectly calm.

• 44:49Pablo Torre?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, I want, I want to know the breathing exercise regimen.

• 44:53Speaker 06

  Um, okay, so last time, like I said, I got so upset about getting locked out and I felt like my emotions got the best of me. So this time, you know, my biggest priority going to this, I didn't study, but I remembered from last time, you know, stay calm. Just, once you find a rhythm, stay in the rhythm. And then I, the thing I practiced was if you start getting locked out, take a moment, reset, do a quick breathing exercise. I don't think you can see it on camera. There was a moment where I got locked out or something a couple of times, where I, I paused, I took a few deep breaths, and I said to myself, "You are Nino's mom, you're going to win."

• 45:33Pablo Torre?

  Oh my god.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 45:34Speaker 06

  And then I locked in and I, and I, and I, so it was like my, like, Tom Brady.

• 45:38Pablo Torre?

  Tim, did you know you were actually competing against the Navy SEAL? Did you know that?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  No, I didn't, and honestly, I would have prepared differently. I am Nino's mom, as she's jumping, like, she's doing a halo jump. The [bleep] M4 on her back. Activating an energy sword.

• 45:56Speaker 06

  I was just trying to keep my heart rate at like a, like a steady beat.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  She's training with that thing that like, that thing they put over the mouth that like inhibits your oxygen intake so that when you're actually at whatever, like, at playing at altitude. God, she saved that guy in Iran.

• 46:14Pablo Torre?

  She did it off camera, they had to cut it out. I want, in fact, my next investigation is can I get the in-building, like, closed-circuit feed of Nina doing insane breathing exercises to not become the Incredible Hulk?

• 46:27Speaker 06

  I, I really didn't get that unnerved during this episode for, you know, obvious reasons.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Oh my god. There it is. There it is.

• 46:35Speaker 06

  How many texts did you get about not getting the Veep one?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  None, the only text that I've gotten so far was from my mom, who was like, "You did a really good job, honey, and you were very funny." You know what I mean? Like, I got a nice text from my mom.

• 46:50Speaker 06

  That's good.

• 46:52Pablo Torre?

  I am Timothy's mom. I am Timothy's mom.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  And I am going to win.

• 46:59Speaker 06

  She would win if she did that.

• 47:10Pablo Torre?

  Also, just a quick postscript before I let you go. Because Mina Kimes, in the semifinals of Celebrity Jeopardy: All Stars, on May 12th, it has been announced, will face Lisa Ann Walter and Katie Nolan. Which means that we have some more finding out to do. So, tune back in. In the meantime, I am Pablo Torre and this has been Pablo Torre Finds Out. We will talk to you next time.

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