Harmeet Dhillon’s War on the Discrimination Against White Christians and DOJ Corruption

For decades, big city mayors have hired public employees based on race. That’s illegal but nobody’s stopped them. Then Harmeet Dhillon took over the civil rights division at DoJ. (00:00) Intro (01:20) The Grim Reality Dhillon Was Faced With After Entering the DOJ (04:24) The DOJ Lawyers Who Actually Cried After Trump’s Election (12:05) Dhillon’s Mission to End Discrimination Against White Christian Men (28:32) Is Dhillon Worried About Being Trapped by Deep State Actors? (40:39) The Crimes of Biden’s DOJ Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! Policygenius: Head to at https://Policygenius.com/Tucker to see how much you could save Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Speaker 01

  I think it's part of the promise of this administration under President Trump to reform the government in the way that the people voted for. I did my week of training after getting confirmed by the Senate. I was like, okay, guys, it's time to get to business. I want everyone to be very clear what the agenda is here. This catalyzed hundreds of lawyers to quit. They had crying sessions in the DOJ.

• 0:51Tucker Carlson?

  They cried? Brandon Johnson, mayor of Chicago. Tell us how he appeared on your radar.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  He said the quiet part out loud, which is, I hire mainly black people for the positions of authority.

• 1:04Tucker Carlson?

  That's the environment that produced Brandon Johnson, where you could just openly be racist. I don't like Jews, I don't like whites, I don't like blacks. Who talks like that?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  $200 million in some cases is what it costs a city or a county to comply with a decade-long consent decree.

• 1:18Tucker Carlson?

  So in the end, the lawyers get rich and more people get shot to death?

• 1:22Speaker 01

  That is correct.

• 1:23Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, it's just so evil. It makes you think, like, maybe we just burn the system down and start again?

• 1:50Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you, Hermine. Your Assistant Attorney General, one of the greatest appointments from my perspective in this administration, running the Civil Rights Division. What was it like when you showed up? What did you find when you got there?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Well, Tucker, first I'll say, thank you for having me here. The Civil Rights Division is the sort of the color revolution wing of the Department of Justice. Okay. You know, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat administration, there are career lawyers who are very focused on a particular agenda there. And so when I showed up, or when I was, when the president was elected, I should say, there are over 400 attorneys in the Civil Rights Division and about 200 staff, so a total of about 600 people. And, you know, Kristen Clark, my predecessor, anti-police, you know, open racist, you know,

• 2:47Speaker 01

  got in trouble during her term for not being candid with the Senate during her confirmation hearings on some issues. And so she had a particular agenda. She got in there and she pursued that agenda aggressively. And she had all the staff to do it. Now, under the first Trump administration, the, my predecessor, in that job, pretty much left it untouched. You know, he told me, he kind of, like, there were the career people there, if he wanted to get something done, they went to the US Attorney's Offices. Well, you know, I came in with a different perspective. I think it's part of the promise of this administration under President Trump to fundamentally reform the government in the way that the people voted for. And so that means, in the Civil Rights Division, we should be standing up for the civil rights

• 3:31Speaker 01

  of all Americans, not just some Americans. We shouldn't be weaponizing the law in a particular way. We should apply those federal civil rights statutes that, many of which were passed by and signed by Republican presidents and Republican administrations evenly. And the government shouldn't be putting its heavy thumb on the scale in most cases, but in egregious instances, we should step forward and right these wrongs. But what I found there was... A number of lawyers, I mean, hundreds of lawyers who were actively in resistance mode, you know, there were memos out there by former government lawyers telling current government lawyers in my department how to resist. If you're given a direct order,

• 4:13Speaker 01

  ask for clarification, send 20 emails, question it, slow down your response time, say it can't be done. You know, so I was actually looking out for that when I came and I did my week of training after getting confirmed by the Senate and then the next week I was like, okay, guys, it's time to get to business. I want everyone to be very clear what the agenda is here. So there are 11 sections in civil rights and I drafted memos for each of those 11 sections for the lawyers and telling them, these are the statutes. So for example, Americans with Disabilities Act, this is the statute that we enforce, or Title VII, anti-discrimination, or some of the other federal civil rights statutes. And then that's the baseline. And then this is the president's agenda. These are his

• 4:56Speaker 01

  executive orders that he's put out there about anti-discrimination, about anti-DEI, about enforcing our laws equally. And that's the job. You're going to apply these statutes within the framework of anti-discrimination, even-handedly, and without fear or favor. And this catalyzed hundreds of lawyers to quit the civil rights division. So.

• 5:26Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, they quit because you informed them of the law?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yes, and the law and the priorities. Their pet projects had changed. They weren't going to be able to do those the way that they wanted.

• 5:40Tucker Carlson?

  So they thought that this part of the Department of Justice was just immune to democracy?

• 5:45Speaker 01

  It has been.

• 5:46Tucker Carlson?

  Elections just had no bearing on this?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  It has been. I mean, there were career lawyers there who were doing the same thing, no matter who's the president. And so suddenly, their little fiefdom that had remained untouched, like Shangri-La, was suddenly having to be responsive to elections. And so.

• 6:07Tucker Carlson?

  So that's the definition of the deep state, what you just described?

• 6:09Speaker 01

  It really is.

• 6:10Tucker Carlson?

  Elections have no effect. It's like, there's no way to control these people. They act totally independently from the democratic system. I mean, that, that's the problem right there.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I found. And so, you know. In response to my memos, of course, it began leaking to the press. They began having unhappy hours, which they would invite supervisors, political supervisors to, to make their point that they were unhappy. We got the point. And they had crying sessions, struggle sessions, crying sessions in the DOJ.

• 6:44Tucker Carlson?

  They cried?

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Oh, there was, there was open crying in the halls.

• 6:47Tucker Carlson?

  Crying?

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Crying, crying, yes. And, and then one of my colleagues described to me, it was the last day, a couple of weeks ago for some of them, they lined up in a phalanx and approached the elevator together and then they left the building together, you know, to show their solidarity for one another there as if they were persecuted.

• 7:08Tucker Carlson?

  How old are they? High school students or adults?

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, these are, these are 30, 40 and 50 year old career attorneys in the Department of Justice, so.

• 7:16Tucker Carlson?

  That's pathetic.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  It's, it's different. You know, I come from the private sector, as you know, over 30 years in the private sector, 18 years successfully running my own law firm and, you know, you get to work and, and you, you put things together and if it's not working out, you change tacks and you try something else, but there's no, there's no accountability. And so that, that really has been kind of an eye opener of dealing with that culture. But we're trying to change it. There's, there are people left behind and I actually don't care what their politics are. They can have their views. I believe in the First Amendment. The question is, are you willing to do the job under the job description as set out by this administration? After all, the DOJ is part of the executive branch. The president gets to pick the top people running it and he kind of gets to set the agenda.

• 8:02Tucker Carlson?

  So you, half your lawyers quit?

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 8:06Tucker Carlson?

  Who'd you replace them with?

• 8:07Speaker 01

  So we are in a Doge period here in the government and so I haven't replaced the people who've quit as yet. So we're making do with who's left behind, some of whom share the views of the ones who, who left, but perhaps weren't as able to get jobs outside and some who I think are willing to work with us, so.

• 8:26Tucker Carlson?

  So my understanding was Doge was going to be applied to like the fat in government.

• 8:32Tucker Carlson?

  But DOJ is kind of central institution in the country and having lawyers who can equally apply the law and sort of end lawfare, be honest and principled, that's important.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I think it's very important. And I've spoken to the Attorney General about it, and I'm confident that soon we'll be able to hire some lawyers who are down with the program of getting the job done for the American people. So I'm looking forward to that troop coming in. But for now, I have some political appointees who are extremely dedicated and passionate. I brought in lawyers of my vintage, quite a few experienced trial lawyers, and a few younger ones as well, but they're all dedicated to the cause. And so together, just in a few weeks, we have already made a lot of news nationally going after the mayor of Chicago, for example.

• 9:23Tucker Carlson?

  So first of all, thank you for the, I was just thinking of you, I should say, my former attorney, and a great attorney, going in to run the civil rights division. I mean, they must have just died when you showed up.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't witness any of that, but the crying, the unhappy hours, the mass resignations, the leaking, there's a support group for former civil rights attorneys.

• 9:49Tucker Carlson?

  These are all indications.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, these are all leading indicators of the stages of grief. And so, one of the former attorneys goes on MSNBC regularly and vents about the storied civil rights division of the DOJ is being destroyed. Someone heckled me at the DMV when I was waiting to get my driver's license. So it is cutting to the core of the liberal ethos that we're actually trying to apply these civil rights laws, which I believe in, in an even-handed way.

• 10:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, equally.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Equally.

• 10:21Tucker Carlson?

  Because we're all American citizens.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  That's right. Equal protection. It means equal for all.

• 10:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would think.

• 10:26Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you would think. And actually, I'm laughing, but it's terrifying what's been happening there. And I'm truly grateful that you're there. So Brandon Johnson, mayor of Chicago. Tell us how he appeared on your radar and what the response is.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Well, so first of all, I'm thankful for Elon Musk purchasing Twitter, which I sued a few times before he did that. And now it's where I get a lot of my news.

• 10:52Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, you and everyone else.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  And so I'm, I get criticized by the mainstream media, if you will, for being perpetually online. But that's actually where I see a lot of the civil rights violations in our country being exposed because people, elected officials in our country feel very comfortable acting with impunity and stating with impunity that they're going to discriminate. And so he said the quiet part out loud, which is, in Chicago, according to his words, I hire mainly black people for the positions of authority. And, you know, then he listed out, he was at a church, and he was in-

• 11:29Tucker Carlson?

  At a church, he said that?

• 11:30Speaker 01

  At a church. And, you know, I had a media reach out to me-

• 11:34Tucker Carlson?

  Go to yank their tax exemption, those freaking churches.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Well, I had a reporter reach out to me saying, how did this come to your attention? I mean, as if it was some kind of secret. He had, I was like, I responded, well, the three angles of camera, I think, suggests that it wasn't meant to be confidential or anything, but it wasn't like some kind of a sting operation. He publicly said, I find, you know, people of a certain description to be better, and I want to help them build their businesses. And so I'm giving them government jobs. It's kind of counterintuitive. And what that says, and what I've been hearing since I came out and said, oh, really? And then we opened up a federal civil rights investigation the following day into the hiring practices.

• 12:18Tucker Carlson?

  The following day?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  The following day, less than 24 hours after I saw that video, my team, you know, stepped up, and we've opened a federal civil rights investigation into the apparent violations of federal employment law that are occasioned by preferring one race over the other in hiring.

• 12:37Tucker Carlson?

  His predecessor, Lori Lightfoot, said at a press conference, I'm not talking to white people. I don't like them. I'm not talking to them. I'm not answering any questions from white reporters. And no one did anything about it. So that's the environment that produced Brandon Johnson, where you could just like openly be racist. You know, I don't like Jews. I don't like whites. I don't like blacks. Who talks like that?

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Well, Tucker, every university administrator in the United States, even in the face of the Students for Fair Admissions case at Harvard. So that's another project that we're dealing with at the Civil Rights Division is the absolute extent of the impunity with which campus administrators are continuing to discriminate and openly defy Supreme Court precedents. So we've opened up numerous investigations into that as well. But it's a pervasive problem in our country that racism has become institutionalized to the point where people just feel comfortable saying, yeah, I'm sorry you're a white man. Thanks for playing and you don't get admission. You don't get a job and you don't get to have equal opportunity. Asians as well.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  This is blatant discrimination and racism in our country. And our job at the Civil Rights Division, for so long as I'm in charge of it, is to eradicate that. Take it on, make examples and put a stop to it.

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• 17:14Tucker Carlson?

  Every time I hear someone in the administration talk about this, they frame it around Israel, which I find infuriating. Not because I'm against Israel, but like, what does Israel have to do with it? They're discriminating against American citizens. Why, from a public relations perspective, wouldn't it just be better to stick to the principle that in the United States, you can't use government money to discriminate against American citizens on the basis of race? Like, why not just say that?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Well, I think that there is a certain strain of antisemitism that's unique that we are confronting, but it's American citizens who are the victims of it. And so religious discrimination is also illegal in our federal civil rights laws. And so where you have students who are wearing yarmulkes and they're being blocked by their professors and their classmates from entering their classes, that's illegal. And we're just calling it that.

• 18:05Tucker Carlson?

  I know, but let's be, let's be real. I mean, that's just silly. Look at the numbers. Are Jewish students, you know, what, 2% of the population? Are there more than 2% at Ivy League schools? Yeah. White Christian students? You know, what percentage of the population are they? 30 something? Are they 30%? Not even close. So, so like, we could just reduce it, but it's like, you can't even say that for some reason. I mean, the discrimination has been going on for 60 years against white Christians, and the numbers show it. So like, do you know what I mean?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  But I'm saying that. We are saying that under my leadership and, and the people who I work with, they are taking it on frontally. It's racism.

• 18:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  It is racist. It is illegal now, under the Supreme Court's clear direction. And Harvard is doing it, and Princeton is doing it, and all of these schools are doing it. I mean, so there's many different kinds of discrimination happening. There's, there's foreign money coming into our campuses. And, you know, there was a report recently that, that Stanford is basically under control of the Chinese Communist Party. And so all of these problems are happening at the same time. And, you know, they've been allowed to drift and, and people have been bullied and people are, I was explaining to someone the other day that... To do this job correctly, you have to not care what people think about you at cocktail parties.

• 19:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, clearly, but you're way past that. But can I ask, like, I guess what I worry about, just to put a finer point on what I was attempting to express, I'm like, identity politics is just bad, kind of no matter who's getting hurt and no matter who's benefiting, it's just bad. It divides the country. Is there some way to just like, deracialize the whole thing and just return to colorblind standards in admission, hiring and contracting?

• 20:03Speaker 01

  There is, I mean, that's what our laws demand. And so that's what the Supreme Court ruled in that one case. But, you know, to take on the mayor of Chicago, we didn't do that four years ago.

• 20:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's right.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  We didn't do that under the Bush administration. We just sort of, you know, people in, people in power just sort of sat there and took it as if there was some need to atone for prior sins by discriminating against American citizens today. And, I mean, you know, Asians are discriminated against in hiring in Silicon Valley. I've taken on many cases of that and in universities, like, what did, what did these recent immigrants do to deserve discrimination, other than being successful and then being punished for it? And so you really can't right the wrongs of the past by being racist today. I think we really have to have that level of moral clarity and just say that and operate that way.

• 21:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's collective punishment is what it really is. You're saying someone who looked like you did something bad, therefore I'm punishing you, or someone who looked like you was hurt, therefore you get the benefit now. I mean, the whole thing is just like, it eliminates the idea of the individual, of the, of the individual, the unique human soul.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Right, which is counter, which is counter to the very principles on which our country was founded. The entire Enlightenment was all about individual rights and responsibility.

• 21:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  And we're engaging in, you know, Chinese Communist level.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Collective guilt and, and you know, collective punishment.

• 21:45Tucker Carlson?

  It does feel that way.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  It does feel that way and it feels that way on campuses. It was, and I think back, I thought it was bad at Dartmouth when I was at Dartmouth more than, you know, 35 years ago, almost 40 years ago now when I went to Dartmouth. And it's so much worse today in most of these campuses, but like, calling it what it is, naming it as racism and discrimination is a start. Now, we will follow through, we will bring cases. I'm proud of our president for spearheading, yanking money, our federal tax dollars away from the institutions that are the worst offenders. And I think you're going to see much more of that happening soon.

• 22:24Tucker Carlson?

  I completely agree. So back to the mayor of Chicago, what happens next?

• 22:28Speaker 01

  We've opened up an investigation. We've demanded some data from him. We will be in touch with some very specific data and we'll be going back years to understand. And what I'm hearing from members of the public already is, well, I applied for this job. I applied for that job. I didn't get it. I'm not the right race. I'm not the right gender, according to his descriptions. And so what the federal government has been doing over the years to ordinary companies is demand this data and then force them to hire according to a particular pattern. We're going to do the same thing. We're going to demand the data. And then if there's a pattern of discrimination, which I think there is, based on what he said, he's told us, we will leave him

• 23:08Speaker 01

  at his words, they'll have to take action to correct that. They may have multiple, I'm guessing that plaintiffs lawyers all over the United States are contacting plaintiffs right now in Chicago and preparing cases against the city. So the taxpayers are going to pay for this pattern and practice of discrimination that has been described by the mayor, but it's a longstanding pattern. He's just the one who said it out loud. It's been happening for, for decades in that city. There's, at the same time, there's talk about reparations and multiple cities in the United States. I mean, again, that's just a wealth transfer from people who didn't do anything wrong to people who didn't have anything wrong done to them, really. And

• 23:51Speaker 01

  it's, it's counterintuitive to what we believe in our country.

• 23:54Tucker Carlson?

  Theft, yeah. Do you think that could happen?

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Uh, no, but the talk of it is manna for, you know, certain people. I think it is bait for Democrat elections and it's popular in certain communities. And so it's crazy to see that. But I do think the pendulum is swinging back in some places because these policies, these wealth transfers, if you will, the episodic rioting that you see in our cities, it is not conducive to a peaceful lifestyle or productive society. And so I think you actually are seeing, even in deep blue California, my home state, my former home state, you're seeing the pendulum swing back in ways. I mean, you know, San Francisco

• 24:43Speaker 01

  seems to be slowly pulling back from the brink of extremism. San Jose has a mayor who's talking some sense. And, you know, so I'm hopeful, but we can't be passive about it. First, you have to be willing to call it out and stand up and say, no, it is wrong to hire on the basis of race in America. It is wrong to discriminate against people based on what their theoretical ancestors did 200 years ago. This is wrong. It's un-American.

• 25:15Tucker Carlson?

  When you initiate an investigation into the mayor of Chicago, first of all, thank you for doing that. Thank you for, I think one of the benefits of what you're doing is just noting something that everyone else takes for granted. As you said, people feel free to say this, and you're just reminding everyone this is against federal law and it's immoral. So I think it's huge. But when you, when you order a sister attorney general this investigation, do you, does the staff like obey in your office?

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my staff, well, first of all, I am surrounded by a lot of dedicated public servants like me who are, yeah, yes. So there was no, I mean, you know, You get to have a few political appointees in the front office is what we call it. So, you know, they jumped on it before I even asked, you know, someone was drafting a letter on Sunday afternoon to do this. We also call the acting chairman of the EOC, Andrea Lucas, who's been working hand and glove with us on other discrimination issues. And she's opened up an investigation as well. So the EOC has subpoena power. You know, we've asked for documents. The EOC can actually subpoena them and do a commissioner's charge. And so eventually, at the end of their parallel investigation, they'll have data that they can share with us as well.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  So we're working together in the university setting, in this setting, and in other settings with other branches of the executive. So, I mean, on any given day, I'm talking to the White House, I'm talking to colleagues of the Department of Education, Department of Homeland Security, had a conversation yesterday, and other conversations like that are happening. So, you know, the team is very focused on our common goals.

• 26:56Tucker Carlson?

  I hate even to say this out loud, but, you know, one of the ways that, you know, someone like you rolls in, you've got, you know, a public career, so everyone knows exactly where you stand. You've been highly ferocious over the years. And so, like, there's no question what you're gonna do when you get there. You're a known quantity, and you're a massive threat to the way things operate there. You haven't worked in a federal agency before. There are all kinds of weird customs and laws, especially on classification. And so someone like you, they're like, ah, you know, let's trap her in something. Are you worried about that?

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Well, among the...

• 27:33Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, Mike Flynn is the most famous example of this, but like...

• 27:36Speaker 01

  It is. We've learned some lessons, and there are always new ways, and there is a deep state. And, you know, just yesterday, I had a conversation with one of my colleagues about the resistance that he was encountering. And I had my feedback, but part of my background is as an employment lawyer.

• 27:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  And so, you know, we're not making some mistakes that some people who are, you know, simply defense lawyers might have made. I have a plaintiff's lawyer mentality, and so, you know, I think, what would I do if I were the other side? And, you know... So I think about that. So, you know, we're giving people clear direction and opportunities. And if they don't want to take those opportunities and they want to be in resistance mode, this is not the place for them. And so, you know, their career paths elsewhere and many people have chosen to take that. Some of them regretted it. Some of them tried to come back. I think it is best that people who have passions to do something that's opposite of what the president's current agenda is should do that elsewhere.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Not, not on the taxpayer dollar. Just my personal perspective, so.

• 28:38Tucker Carlson?

  So you've uncovered a bunch of stuff already, and one of the things that you uncovered, I think,

• 28:45Tucker Carlson?

  is part of the answer to why our cities have become so dangerous. And it has to do with consent decrees that, you know, have been forced on cities and police departments by the federal government. Can you explain how that, how that has worked?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. So the consent decree trend kind of dates back to the Rodney King riots. And, you know, there's terrible rioting in Los Angeles.

• 29:11Tucker Carlson?

  Ninety-two-ish?

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, about thirty, thirty-three years ago. Yeah, I was in law school at the time. And, you know, the, the police got blamed for, for, I think, some fairly rotten cultural trends in our society. The police got blamed trying to control that riot. I mean, you had people like Maxine Waters, you know, egging on the crowd and feeding the flames. And somehow the police got left holding the bag. And so what happened was the Department of Justice, of course, California as well, but the Department of Justice opened up investigations into police practices. And so the, the trend has been Department of Justice, particularly under Democrat administrations,

• 29:57Speaker 01

  opens up what's called a pattern and practice investigation. And they basically say that anytime one cop does something wrong, it must be because there is a systemic problem in the police department. There's poor training. There's ineffective policies. There's ineffective resources. And, or there's racism. There's always racism. That's underlying most of these police consent decrees is racism. And I'll, I'll talk about current examples as well, but. So cities, by the way, I mean, you've all seen this in prosecutions. When the federal government comes after you with its endless resources and its punitive

• 30:38Speaker 01

  scope of measures that it can imply, even America's biggest cities worth with tens of billions of dollars of budgets, they quake because it can become very expensive and it can become a politically charged football to continue to have these federal court hearings and judges and all of that. So what typically happens is the DOJ says, hi, we are from the government. We think that you're a racist and we'd like you to enter into a consent decree where you, the city, is going to pay Bob over here, who works at a big white shoe law firm, several million dollars to monitor your compliance with this. I mean, this is a binder.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Some of the consent decrees are longer than this, hundreds of pages long of minutely detailed orders of what they're supposed to do to improve their police practices.

• 31:29Tucker Carlson?

  Who comes up with those guidelines?

• 31:32Speaker 01

  The lawyers in the civil rights divisions of the United States Department of Justice.

• 31:36Tucker Carlson?

  Do they have a lot of experience policing big cities?

• 31:39Speaker 01

  They have no experience policing big cities. Some of them have probably never met a cop in the wild. You know, these are lawyers from good schools and they're very idealistic. By the way, most of them have never tried a case in their lives. And of all the consent decrees, one of the striking, striking things I learned this week is of all the consent decrees that the United States Department of Justice has imposed, and there are dozens and dozens of them over the years, maybe hundreds, but certainly in recent decades, dozens per year in some, in some years. And the Biden administration, they opened up a dozen investigations and those are some

• 32:22Speaker 01

  of the ones that I've been examining since I got into office. They only took two of those cases to trial. In hundreds of instances of investigations, they lost one.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  And they lost the police part of the other one. There was a housing aspect of the second one which they, which they won. And so in all the years that you've read about Los Angeles and Albuquerque and Seattle and Portland and all of these cities being under consent decrees, no federal judge ever looked at the evidence and found that the United States Department of Justice actually proved their case that there was systemic racism or systemic improper training. It was lawyers like the ones I described earlier, who don't have much trial experience, looking at a dry paper record. And by the way, over the last several years, sitting in their living room doing it because

• 33:19Speaker 01

  they were working from home during COVID. So in their home, looking at paper and selectively cherry picking evidence from these records that they forced the cities to turn over, reaching conclusions. Not reaching conclusions that a jury agreed with or that even a federal judge saw the evidence of, but simply bullying American cities into compliance and then presenting a fed accomplice to a judge. And in some cases, most cases, the judges would say, okay, I agree. And what's particularly shocking is in so many of the recent instances of police consent

• 33:58Speaker 01

  decrees in the United States, woke prosecutors in those cities and woke city councils and woke mayors went along with them. They wanted them because they too don't like the police. And so it has been a sort of perfect storm of the taxpayer having to pay for monitoring. Some fat cat lawyer gets a big contract that goes on for many years. And crime skyrockets in cities with consent decrees. This is called the Ferguson effect, after Ferguson, Missouri. When a city is under a consent decree, cops have to suddenly fill out reams of paperwork every day. Guess what? They don't want to do that.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  They didn't become cops to sit there and do paperwork. So they quit, they retire, they move to cities where they do want policing to be done effectively. Crime goes up because criminals now know that the policing is not being done. And so, for example, and I'm not just saying this from a biased perspective, Axios did a review of cities under consent decrees. And I think one of the figures is crime went up by 61% in Los Angeles County as a result after consent decrees were imposed on the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. And so, cities are less safe, cops are...

• 35:16Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just ask, what, I mean, ultimately, you know, the purpose of a system is its effect. So you could say, well, people don't, no one wants crime, but like, over time, if the DOJ is causing more crime in America's cities, they want more crime. Like, what is that?

• 35:34Speaker 01

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• 38:07Tucker Carlson?

  Any idea what the motive is there, other than just to burn down the civilization?

• 38:11Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't want to speculate about motives, but it has made our cities less safe. It has made us pay for the cities to become less safe. So that's particularly galling. We have to pay some, some, you know, person eating at Morton's on our dime and attending conferences on our dime and Cops who are people who put their lives on the line for us every day are made to feel ashamed of their jobs and America is less safe. And every time you see, there are bad cops. I want to be clear. There are cops who shoot people and the DOJ also prosecutes those, to be clear. Part of our job in the Civil Rights Division is a criminal section that criminally

• 38:54Speaker 01

  prosecutes bad cops. I'm, I support that. I've signed off on several prosecutions so far since I've been there. And there's trials going on right now. Cops who shoot somebody in the back and, you know, they, they exhibit excessive force. But we also have to all be punished collectively. You know, back to the point of collective punishment. We all have to suffer because there's one bad cop or two bad cops. That's insane.

• 39:18Tucker Carlson?

  Can you imagine how many bad cops there are going to be soon? No normal person wants to be a cop. It's too hard. It's not worth it. You get imprisoned in a lot, Philadelphia, I was talking to a cop in Philadelphia last week. I'm retiring. Everyone's gone. Like, you do anything, you go right to jail as a cop. If you enforce the law, you go to jail. It's not worth it.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  I'm one of the few lawyers who's headed the Civil Rights Division who's actually sued the police. And I did it from the opposite perspective of the, of what is expected. So in 2016, I was at a Trump rally and there was a riot in San Jose and it was an organized, well-funded riot. I'm just a citizen going to support my candidate. I did the pledge of allegiance. I met, I met the future president backstage and then all of us were subjected to mob violence. And what called me was the police, 200 plus of them with riot gear just stood there and watched. And I went and did the course of my lawsuit suing over the fact that American citizens were violent, were injured in a violent mob. I asked some of them, like, Why was that?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  You get to the bottom of that lawsuit and it turns out that because of consent decrees and best practices of policing that are coming down from Washington DC in the DOJ, the police are taught to basically, in a crowd control situation, stand there and watch and not do anything. It's so dishorrible. So it is insane. I was truly shocked by that. And so I have experience suing the police and, you know, trying to get them to improve their practices and be more aggressive on behalf of the taxpayers, which is the opposite of what they're usually asked to do in these cases. And so, um, you know, so we, we resolved that case with some agreements that they would do some training and be a little, you know, different than what they were.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  But, um, what we're seeing in the Biden DOJ, which again, I came in and I looked at the books here, is it's, it's striking that, first of all, they took the four years to immediately begin changing course, opening investigations that the Trump DOJ had closed and shut down. And then literally after the election, after the election where President Trump won in 2024, they filed several cases and made public several findings of fact in over, you know, over 10 cities in the United States. They hastily ran to court in December in Louisville, Kentucky, and in January, January 6th, in

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Minneapolis, Minnesota, to file new cases. You know, clearly at the tail end, they lost the election, they're not going to be able to carry this through, but they wanted to make public these consent decrees. So they put in front of two federal judges in these two cases, um, in Minneapolis and Louisville, these factual findings. Now, these factual findings are done by lawyers sitting in their living rooms, um, on a dry paper record, and the findings are, you know,

• 42:15Speaker 01

  We have reason to believe that these cities engaged in racist policing and also violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act. That's a common theme running through the dozen or so consent decrees that I've, consent decrees and factual findings predating a consent decree that I've reviewed at DOJ. So the idea is that if a drugged out or mentally ill person is the subject of a call to 911, somehow the police dispatcher is supposed to know, just based on a member of the public calling or somebody calling for help themselves, that they should have done, what, I don't know, dispatched a social worker instead of a cop to the scene after someone dials 911.

• 42:56Tucker Carlson?

  Being addicted to illegal narcotics disability?

• 42:59Speaker 01

  I mean, you might think so, reading some of the factual findings.

• 43:02Tucker Carlson?

  Are you being, are you being serious?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  I am serious. Based on the factual findings I have seen from DOJ.

• 43:08Tucker Carlson?

  I thought it was a crime or a failing at very least.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Tucker, it's a mental health issue and it's a Americans with Disabilities Act.

• 43:14Tucker Carlson?

  Actually, so if I'm addicted to meth, I have special protection?

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Well, apparently the police dispatcher is supposed to know by that 911 call that they shouldn't have sent a cop, they should have sent a social worker. I mean, it's, it's, it's an insane standard.

• 43:27Tucker Carlson?

  And the federal government is doing that?

• 43:28Speaker 01

  The federal government, DOJ, has been reaching those factual findings and then asking federal judges to impose thick, decade-long, minutely detailed consent decrees out of which cities struggle to get out of. You know, the average consent decree, Tucker, when the United States Department of Justice gets, bullies a city into agreeing to it, is over a decade. So the problem isn't solved quickly by all the taxpayer dollars, the monitor, the police reform, the community policing councils and groups that are set up in these consent decrees. The judge overseeing it, the problem that was identified, isn't solved. In fact, it turns out that when you fund investigations and you fund monitoring and

• 44:13Speaker 01

  a monitor decides when you're... Good enough and your performance has improved, you get more monitoring, you get more years of that. You get more fees paid to big law firms like Hogan Levells and some other big law firms in the United States. And the citizens pay the bill. So it's a tax on Americans who live in cities. Because one cop, or maybe no cops in some cases, did something wrong. And so it's a totally broken system. And when we came into office, it was a priority of this administration to review all pending consent decrees, all consent decrees that had yet to be entered by a judge, all pre consent decree factual findings

• 44:57Speaker 01

  found by the Department of Justice and announced publicly, shaming these cities. And look at the data and see, are these really justified? And our immediate conclusion, by the way, not just our conclusion, in the case of Minneapolis and Louisville, federal judges to which these were presented had some tough questions. And in the case of Louisville, the judge asked the DOJ lawyers, these DOJ lawyers I've described from the Civil Rights Division to explain themselves. How did you reach that conclusion? What are the data supporting your conclusion? How do you account for variables? Like, what are the high crime areas? I mean, are the high crime areas racially different than the population of the city? These lawyers did not have answers. It was embarrassing. And so the judge refused to enter

• 45:42Speaker 01

  the consent decree in Louisville and sent the DOJ back and said, I need your answers. By the, you know, guess what? This is days before the administration is about to turn over. So we've asked for a couple of continuances.

• 45:53Tucker Carlson?

  So what are the criteria that government lawyers use to like, reach the conclusion that there's systemic racism that requires a dissent decree? Like, I don't, I don't really understand. Well, it's one thing to say in an MSNBC segment, there's systemic racism. But if you're a Civil Rights Division attorney, you have to prove it, correct?

• 46:15Speaker 01

  You should have to prove it. But as I said, no, no jury has ever. Agreed with the DOJ.

• 46:23Tucker Carlson?

  But what are the measures, since racism is an attitude that has, you know, can have manifestations, of course, but it's, it's really like a mindset. How, how do you, how do you prove that?

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Well, so we have, we have, of course, being the government, we have statisticians on, on our staff at the Department of Justice. As you know, I was surprised to show up. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, let me look at all these lawyers. What is their trial experience? Oh, there's a PhD in statistics here. That's going to be really useful in court. But, but they could be, by the way, there are cases, so properly deployed, they could be. But if you never have to prove your case, you never have to use them. You simply beat people over the head with a statistics book. And so that's what's happened here. So I'll give you an example. Memphis, Tennessee is one of the cities that the outgoing Department of Justice issued some pretty lurid looking factual findings in. And so when you start

• 47:14Speaker 01

  reading it, you look at, hey, the findings are all the Memphis is racist and, you know, their, their arrest rates of African Americans are disproportionate.

• 47:24Tucker Carlson?

  I'm sorry, let me just say, anyone who's been to Memphis, been, it's such a wonderful place. I love Memphis. But if you come away thinking, you know, the real problem in Memphis is racism, then you're a liar.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Well, so Memphis is majority black.

• 47:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  The police force is majority black.

• 47:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  And guess what? The homeless population, which is the subject of this consent decree finding, pre consent decree finding, is majority black. And so the idea that there's disproportionate arrests of, you know, people who are on the street and, you know, potentially committing crimes is racist, black cops, black population and black homeless population. How do you reach that conclusion that racism, you have to reach that conclusion because you are biased yourself. And the lens that you're looking through is a lens seeking racism. And if that's what you're seeking, that's what you find in each of these cities. And that is what they found in each of these cities that the DOJ examined.

• 48:25Tucker Carlson?

  It's like, it's like the ANC or something. But it, you know, in the end, like Memphis also has not only the country's highest murder rate or one of them, like the worst schools and like contaminated water and. Crumbling housing stock and like no businesses and it's there's so many problems. And if you just think it's like white people are the problem, it nothing ever gets fixed.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Well, that's the problem with these consent decrees. And so we examine these and look, one of the things people need to understand as a lawyer, when I go into federal court and my name as the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights is on all of these documents that we file in court. Sometimes the Attorney General's name is on it as well, but my name is on all of these documents where we charge somebody. And I have to be able to say to the judge, look the judge in the eye and say, I believe in these findings of my Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Judge, I stand behind them and I'm confident that what we're alleging in these papers is true. Well, Tucker, I looked at these findings and

• 49:24Speaker 01

  I and the lawyers who report to me in the DOJ said, we cannot stand behind these conclusions. I can't stand in front of a judge with a straight face and say that Memphis's problems are racist cops. I mean, they're, they're not racist. They simply are dealing with a population that happens to have a particular racial makeup. The conclusions are not correcting for that. The conclusions are not correcting for what neighborhoods have crime. There's cherry picking of statistics. There's imposing Americans with Disabilities Act layers onto these consent decrees that don't exist in the law. The Americans with Disabilities Act does not impose on police requirements of how they respond to 911 calls. They just,

• 50:08Speaker 01

  it just doesn't. So wishing it were so does not make it so. And so what's happening is these cities are having to agree to these things because they're afraid of the consequences or they have a woke city council that wants the hands of the police to be tied. That's the most corrupt thing is the cities were basically begging for these consent decrees to be entered. And, you know, in the case of Louisville, we're dismissing Louisville.

• 50:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's so weird. You're a city councilman in a city and you want the crime rate to go up? Like, what is that? I think it's the weirdest, most suicidal thing I've ever seen.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  No one's talking about it until. We started looking at these and so we're dismissing and withdrawing the Minneapolis and the Louisville consent decrees that were put in front of federal judges just a few months ago. We don't have confidence in them. We are telling judges that this is not something that the DOJ can stand behind. Now, in each of these cities, by the way, Louisville has already agreed to hire its own police monitor without the DOJ forcing them to do it. I mean, that's not my business. I wouldn't necessarily think that the problem goes to that degree. Someone's friend who's a lawyer is probably going to get paid out of that and, you know, good for them. But in Minneapolis's case, Minneapolis has already

• 51:26Speaker 01

  entered into a state consent decree. So why are they still, you know, going along with this federal one? Well, they thought the federal one would be worse and more onerous. And so Minneapolis has publicly stated that they're going to oppose the Department of Justice's attempts to dismiss the case against the city, believe that or not.

• 51:47Tucker Carlson?

  That is like the craziest thing I've ever heard.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  I mean, you would think as a city leader, your job is first to protect your city and then deal with your problems yourself, which they're already doing in Minneapolis.

• 51:58Tucker Carlson?

  They're begging to be punished by the feds for crimes that they probably didn't commit.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Not even crimes, just, you know, sort of reason to believe that the police practices are improper or inadequate.

• 52:11Tucker Carlson?

  But they want to be punished. Spank me harder, daddy.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  I want to put words into their mouths, but their actions are that they would oppose the DOJ letting them sort it out themselves. I mean, it is what it is. So not every city is like that and not every municipality is like that. There are six other jurisdictions that the DOJ issued findings in that we're withdrawing.

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• 53:38Speaker 01

  Did you know that this was going on? Look, I knew that consent decrees were an abusive process. I did not realize the extent to which there was collusion in this process. I mean, we have perpetual monitors who have made decades of their lives getting paid up. Like, there's one, which a city that just closed up its consent decree, DOJ dismissed it after a decade. A single man got paid a million dollars a year to monitor- A year? A year. To monitor a city's compliance with a DOJ consent decree that went on and on and on. And, you know, these consent decree monitors set compliance rates of 95% or 100%. And it's like, it's like Xeno's paradox, you know?

• 54:22Speaker 01

  You never actually reach 100% because you never reached 94%. You never reached 95%. And the judge is a guy getting paid to determine the outcome. And it is a, it is a broken system. Some of these consent decree monitors have fake companies, shell companies, that haven't been registered with any state. Some of them have fake nonprofits that aren't really nonprofits. They sell themselves and, you know, there's never any accountability. And so at a minimum, what we're doing for all of these existing consent decrees as well as to look at these monitors. Are they real? What goals have they accomplished in a decade? Are things better in that city? Are the people safer? What are we getting in exchange?

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Some of these consent decrees, Tucker, cost cities over the course of this 10 years. Just forget the monitor who's getting paid 10 million bucks on average. $200 million in some cases is what it costs a city or a county to comply with a decade-long consent decree because they have to do all these endless trainings and they have to fill out all these forms. The Department of Justice in the last four years has spent 65,000 hours in the Civil Rights Division, which only had about 60 lawyers. So, tens of thousands of hours monitoring these consent decrees. I mean, it is a mind-boggling volume of waste.

• 55:45Tucker Carlson?

  So, in the end, the lawyers get rich and more people get shot to death?

• 55:49Speaker 01

  That is correct. That is the average outcome of a consent decree.

• 55:52Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, it's just so evil. It makes you think like, maybe we just burn the system down and start again?

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Well, what we're doing is, one by one, looking at every existing consent decree, and I haven't gotten through all of them, but, you know, we got to the point where, six weeks in, I said, "Look, we have to put a stop to these." I mean, some of these cities, so Phoenix, Arizona, we're dismissing the findings, we're withdrawing the findings in our pre-consent decree efforts there. Mount Vernon, New York, a tiny police department with, you know, what I would say, a couple of practices that I wouldn't necessarily agree are the best practices, but, you know, they've also agreed to stop doing them. So, why is the federal government getting involved and putting together thick reports? Oklahoma City is another one. Trenton, New Jersey is another one. The Mississippi Police Department is another one.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  The Mississippi, the state police is another one. And then, and then we have Memphis, which we already discussed. And so, in some cases, these cities didn't go along with them. They fought the DOJ, so, you know, good for them, having some integrity in their city government. I've heard from members of Congress in some of these jurisdictions, who said, "This consent decree is simply..." I mean, I'll give you the example of Phoenix. So, Phoenix seems to be an attempt by the Department of Justice to go after a sort of purple reddish jurisdiction.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  And hold them accountable for trying to impose quality of life standards. So for example, Phoenix has been called to account in the DOJ report that we're withdrawing as part of my investigation for moving the homeless along. And what law do they cite in this consent decree analysis? They cite the Boise Idaho case that people are familiar with where the court, the Ninth Circuit, held that it was unconstitutional for Boise to try to move homeless people off the street unless you had a nice housing to put them in. Well, the United States Supreme Court reversed that. And so they reversed it in the Grants Pass case.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  So we're even today in the DOJ's recent consent decree work, simply ignoring binding Supreme Court precedent that says that what the police were doing in Phoenix is A-OK under the law and hoping to simply bully them into compliance. This is not what our federal government should be doing.

• 58:18Tucker Carlson?

  They want more people living on the sidewalk. Like this is, if you take three steps back, it's like so dark, so diseased. You want more violent crime. You want more drug abuse. You want more people living on the street. Why would you want any of that?

• 58:32Speaker 01

  Why would any elected official of any party want that in the United States in 2025? Well, I don't get it. And so in these eight cases, we're getting rid of them and there will be more, I'm confident.

• 58:45Tucker Carlson?

  It's interesting. I mean, I didn't know any of this, but it's part of the explanation for why we have more of all of those things. You look around, you're like, I don't recognize this. Like I grew up here. We never had any of this. Why do we have it now? And part of the answer clearly is what you're describing, which is an attempt by elements of the Department of Justice to like create these outcomes.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Well, and on top of that, there's some corrupt rent seeking as well. Let's just call it what it is. You know, there's, there, there, like I said, these white shoe lawyers. One was, one was thrown out of a casino earlier this year. A prominent lawyer at a major law firm was thrown out of a casino, was intoxicated. When the police came, he said, I'm, I'm with the DOJ. I'm the, I'm the police monitor. And so you can't touch me. Other cities have reported to us, lawyers, my colleagues in the DOJ, that, that if you dare complain about my bills.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  I'm going to keep you under a consent decree longer. I mean, it's, it's that level of shakedown.

• 59:50Tucker Carlson?

  My bills as in billing, as in payment to me?

• 59:52Speaker 01

  My billing. Yeah. When the bills are questioned, the city gets punished harder. So, um, you know, you would hope judges are looking at these things carefully. Guess what? Judges are busy and judges are not looking at them that carefully.

• 1:00:11Tucker Carlson?

  So just to be clear, you, uh, have half of your staff attorney positions unfilled because you don't have the budget to hire new lawyers, ones who might actually want to follow the law. But we somehow have the money even post Doge to pay monitors a million dollars a year to oversee arrangements that lead to more violent crime.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Well, the monitors are not being paid by the DOJ. They're being paid by the cities. So the cities, uh, that are under the lens of the DOJ are having these costs imposed on them. And there's, like I said, no accountability. There, there are annual conferences of the judges who impose the consent decrees, of the monitors who enjoy the fees and don't solve the problem. And the, uh, city officials who think it's all kind of a game. Let's have community policing and let's have, let's have a bunch of, you know, random people who have no background in dealing with crime, um, tell the police what to do. There's, there's annual junkets. Um, it's an industry.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  It's a multi-billion dollar industry, making America more unsafe for the most part.

• 1:01:21Tucker Carlson?

  Does anyone ever consider the fact that like violent crime causes racism? Actually, I mean, it's just, that's just true. When people are afraid, first of all, people are afraid they become much less reasonable. I think everybody does. It's just like a human response, right?

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  Well, people are afraid in America's cities.

• 1:01:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  And we have been made to believe that riots, like after the, um, you know, Minneapolis incident with George Floyd, like, uh, the regrettable incident where Breonna Taylor was shot. And by the way, My department is prosecuting the two cops who lied to get a no-knock warrant in that case. That is a serious offense and we're going to hold those individuals accountable.

• 1:02:07Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Which is different than holding the whole city of Louisville and all the taxpayers in that city accountable for mistakes that were allegedly made by two individuals. So, you know, what a concept, you know, individual responsibility for individual mistakes. And so, and you know, we do that regularly. And each of these jurisdictions, Tucker, where the DOJ has been examining these police departments, there have been police misconduct cases and cops have been punished either at the state level or at the federal level. That's appropriate. They're bad actors in every industry and, you know, media and law and medicine.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  But asking cops as a matter of a multi-hundred-page consent decree to sort of be doctors and predict Americans with Disabilities Act outcomes, adverse outcomes, is just insane and it doesn't work. And, you know, let's face it, if these lawyers were any good at organic chemistry, they wouldn't be lawyers, right?

• 1:03:14Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's right.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  I mean, you know, so the government cannot be the be-all and end-all solution to all social ills and this is an example and so...

• 1:03:25Tucker Carlson?

  Is there anything you can do about the consent decrees already in place?

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  We are going to be, we are examining them and we're going to be bringing to the attention of judges inappropriate conduct by monitors. The one I just mentioned is one who is ripe to be mentioned to a judge as someone committing misconduct. Monitors who claim to have nonprofits or corporations, but they don't. We're going to be bringing those to the attention of a judge.

• 1:03:52Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I thought the legal profession was self-policing through the bar? I don't understand why nobody is ever disbarred except for like representing Donald Trump. I don't, I don't understand that. Where, where is the bar, the state bars?

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  You, you raise a very good question and a question I've raised myself. And so we have today in 2025 lawyers who have been, are under prosecution. I mean, this is happening in Arizona, in Nevada and other jurisdictions, California, or, or bar complaint for who they represented. You're absolutely right. And what arguments they made even privately to their client and not even in front of a judge. John Eastman is an example of that and so many others. And yet you have corrupt monitors who are holding cities hostage effectively and all the taxpayers in those cities for their personal benefit. And then you have city councils

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  who are elected to represent the people and instead they would like to see the cops handcuffed and see, and see the streets burning in their cities. And this is a lack of accountability. It is a broken system. And at least the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division is not going to be participating in making that broken system worse under President Trump's leadership and under our current Attorney General.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  I know. What a concept, right?

• 1:05:15Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's, that's an amazing story. I didn't even know that was happening, but it, it explains a lot. So basically you just got there to run this division.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Six weeks ago.

• 1:05:24Tucker Carlson?

  It's incredible. So there's probably so many things that you're looking at that you want to examine that have been going on that most people, including me, didn't know about. What are some of those things?

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Well, there are 11 sections in the Civil Rights Division and some of the things that we're going to be looking at in coming weeks and months include the rampant anti-Christian bias happening throughout the United States. And so there's anti-Christian bias happening within the government. There are, there are chaplains in the military who are told to tone down their Christianity under the prior administration. And that's insane. And you know, in America, we're founded on religious liberty and specifically. The Protestants who came here to be able to practice their faith freely. And so we're bringing back a focus on that. There is a law called

• 1:06:14Tucker Carlson?

  Bless you.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Thank you. And it's important and it's important for all people of faith in America.

• 1:06:18Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  To be able to worship. And so we are bringing a number of cases under what's called a Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act, which is when jurisdictions are discriminating on the basis of zoning on the against houses of worship, be they Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or any faith.

• 1:06:38Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  That's happening throughout the United States.

• 1:06:41Tucker Carlson?

  I don't like it when they hassle the Scientologists. I don't, I didn't like it when they hassled the Orthodox Jews in Borough Park during COVID. It's not about, I'm not, you know, Jewish or Scientologist, but like, I agree with you. People of faith have an interest in religious freedom, period.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  And we have a federal law that, that gives them higher than First Amendment protection, that law that I mentioned. And so we're going after Forestburg, New York. We're going after other jurisdictions that are doing this. And so we are going after discrimination in employment, like, like the Chicago cases. And people have been texting me all in the last 24 hours and 48 hours since we started this investigation, giving me other examples of other cities doing the exact same thing. So we have a lot of work cut out for us. The DOJ Civil Rights generally covers, not exclusively, but generally covers government discrimination. I mean, occasionally it will verge into private discrimination.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Colorado is forcing a Christian camp to supposedly allow boys to be in the girls' changing rooms. That's a violation of the religious liberty of the kids and the families going to that Christian camp. We're going to be going after schools that try to take from parents their natural, God given, and constitutional right to control their children's education, be it with sexualized curricula or transgenderism that's happening in our schools throughout the United States, from the most unlikely places. And, you know, I kind of joke, I'll start the day at eight o'clock in the morning or earlier sometimes, and throughout the day, one or the other one of my deputies jumps into my office and I'm like, oh, what fresh What the hell is this?

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  The sheer volume of violations of our civil rights happening by, uh, by the, the state and local petty bureaucrats and, uh, wrong, wrong-minded, uh, private, uh, people throughout the United States is, is, uh, overwhelming sometimes. So if I had 400 lawyers plus, uh, at my disposal to go after them, we would keep them busy doing good work for the American people all day long.

• 1:08:43Tucker Carlson?

  I, I think you're a hero, uh, Armeet. And I, and I will say you're one of the only people in all of Washington DC who doesn't really want to be invited to Politico's White House Correspondence Dinner Party.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  And I wasn't invited. Uh, and that's okay, cause I'm too busy working and knitting in my spare time.

• 1:09:01Tucker Carlson?

  That's so great. Armeet Dhillon, the Assistant Attorney General of the United States.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:09:06Tucker Carlson?

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