Philly's Wallo267 From Prison to Prosperity, Black Businesses & His 5 Min Life Change

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find Wallace Peeples better known as Wallo 267 joins The Pivot in a conversation storying his life from a young man growing up on the streets of Philly to serving 20 years in prison to being one of the original innovators in the podcast game and now considered a global influencer, entrepreneur, motivational speaker and marketing phenom. Most well known for his cultural platform Million Dollaz Worth Of Game, which he created with his cousin Gillie Da King, a legendary Philadelphia rapper, Wallo shares his business model that has transcended the podcast game and made an impact around the world. With over 7 million + social media impressions weekly, Wallo has successfully turned his tough experiences, life lessons and natural business instincts into a multi million dollar collaboration. Sharing with Fred, Ryan and Channing how he ended up in prison and his mindset growing up of what he thought earned respect and was the way to success, Wallo taps into an emotional side of his life that is painful but a lesson he applied since. Wallo shares with the guys how his two decades in prison prepared him for life as if he went to school so that when he came out he knew what his calling would be and how he wanted to be a person that he wished he had as a mentor growing up. Admitting that the scariest day of his life was the day he was released from prison with the choice of what to do next and how to get back into society, forging a different path. In his message, Wallo explains how less than 5 minutes of criminal activity cost him so much and landed him 20 years in jail and in his new life that same 5 minutes of energy landed him the opportunity of a lifetime. Ryan acknowledges how Wallo inspires so many people and his enthusiasm is endless around making an impact and always working but feels there is a hole in his heart as he never talks of what he does for himself or that brings him joy. Channing chimes in that Wallo's life habits seem as if he is still institutionalized, keeping a regimented schedule and not very social unless it is for work. Fred is most impressed with the turnaround and Wallo's ability to build, sustain and leverage his social platform into a multi-million opportunity. Opening up about business practices, supporting one another in the black community and following through on basic principles, Wallo gives insight into his brand building and tips on how anyone can make something from nothing. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY) 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/TN/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MI/NJ/NY/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 pre-game moneyline bet. Bet must win. $150 issued as six (6) $25 free bets. See terms at sportsbook.draftkings.com/footballterms. Ends 12/30/22 at 11:59PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Sir. He got a man right here. He got a man right here. There he is.

• 0:34Fred Taylor?

  What's up, bro? On the highway?

• 0:36Speaker 01

  How long you been up? Since about 2? Man, I've been up since like 4 or some shit, man.

• 0:41Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  It's right here.

• 0:42Fred Taylor?

  Every morning?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically, I'm on jail time. Right. I'm still on jail time.

• 0:46Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, so what time you shut it down, though?

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It depends. Man, I be asleep. I be asleep sometime. I go to sleep like around 3, 4, get back up. Then I be in, go back to sleep.

• 0:58Fred Taylor?

  3, 4 in the morning?

• 0:59Speaker 01

  No, 3, 4 in that.

• 1:00Fred Taylor?

  Oh, so you go to sleep, take a nap.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I get my power in that shit. Y'all got a big production, bro.

• 1:06Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  This is some, y'all got a million dollar production. Yes, we do. That's a lot of shit, man. Man, we trying, you know? There's a lot of competition out there, bruh. Damn, that's a lot of shit. Exhibit A. Right.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  How you doing?

• 1:22Fred Taylor?

  We got the production. We trying to get the profits. We trying to get one of those.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Listen, listen. We only got four cameras, and it's me, Gill, and our cameraman, that's it.

• 1:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  And we pack that shit up in two suitcases, pull up, get it done, and get the [__] out of there. Y'all got some real live sound. Y'all got some shit in here.

• 1:39Fred Taylor?

  Nah, we working. We been working for a minute. Hey, congrats.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  No, congrats.

• 1:44Fred Taylor?

  Congrats on the deal.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Where we start? We starting now? We talking already. I mean, I can introduce the show now, though. Since he gave us a segue. He's my [__] crazy.

• 2:18Ryan Clark?

  Hey man, welcome to The Pivot. Obviously, we got Channing, Freddie T., I'm RC. Thank you for subscribing, continue to like, pass it on to people, let them know how much you love the show. We are so grateful for you, The Draft Kings, happy that, we appreciate your sponsorship. Man, just remember, man, we can just go continue to do a show. Like Freddie T. says, man, we're so excited to have him back. Like, anybody can podcast, not everybody can pivot. But, this is one of the biggest pivots we've ever done. I'mma introduce him, he probably doesn't need an introduction. It's Wallace Peoples, for y'all who don't know. It's Wallow267, I mean, entrepreneur, author, master marketer, social media influencer, orator.

• 3:01Ryan Clark?

  Anything that you can think of, of someone taking themselves from the bottom and bringing themselves to the top. This man has done, and his influence goes far beyond just the podcast and just our communities. And so, man, I just want to get right into it. First of all, thank you for being here.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  No problem, man.

• 3:18Ryan Clark?

  You have a story that is not just unique to you in the sense of what you went through growing up. In and out of juvenile homes, at 17, sentenced to 20 years in the penal system. And, you also aren't the first guy who's ever been in prison that had dreams of doing something else. Had dreams of inspiring, had dreams of transcending their circumstances. But you've done it in a way like we've never seen. What has made your ascension possible as compared to other people who were in your exact position as a young black man?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  I just think, uh, a lot of discipline, it take a lot of discipline. It's hard growing up in the streets, in any ghetto in America. And, uh, you trying to, you gotta navigate the shit, you know, you go through identity crisis, then prison. Prison bring a whole lot of other shit on it. But when I was, like, I tell people, when I was in, you know, I wasn't in jail, I was in jail, I wasn't in prison. I was in Princeton, I wasn't in the state pen, I was in Penn State. And I was just getting my game together. I made a decision to myself when I was in prison. Ah, that old shit ain't gonna work. The old conversations, the street shit. I gotta start reading more. I gotta start looking at things as outside of our culture. What happens sometimes to us in the ghetto, especially when you come in from prison, whatever. A lot of us lack exposure.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  We're not exposed to the new things, uh, different cultures, different environments. Most people only leave the ghetto when they go to prison or when they go to the graveyard. You know how the graveyard be outside of the, it be a little, that's the only time we really leave. And I knew that, so I read more. I used to watch a lot of Anthony Bourdain, all his shows. He was one of my favorite guys, cause he exposed me to life. Damn, it's all this life out there, cause I'm doing. When I get out, I gotta figure life out. So I just locked in on discipline and I said, when I get home, I'm gonna go hard on me. I'm gonna go hard on change. I'm gonna go hard on some different shit and just seeing different stuff and just learning new stuff. And realizing like, hold up, you mean to tell me I could be black and not have to worry about being cool?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Cause you know, when you be cool, you gotta do a lot of shit to be cool. You gotta get money, you gotta all the, all the chicks, you gotta do all, you gotta do all this shit. You gotta dress a certain way, you gotta have a jury, you gotta have a car. But sometimes in the ghetto, you gotta do illegal shit to get that. I was like, fuck all that, that ain't gonna work. Because I wasn't no good criminal, cause I always got locked up. You know, some of you, you got a cousin, like, damn, he ain't gonna realize, he forty-five, he still being a, he still going out of jail? I realized, ho, this ain't working. I remember my, my homeboy, when I was younger, his mom said, you motherfuckers can't do wrong right. Y'all need to start learning how to do right, right? And it, and it hit me when I was in jail, I'm like, yo, man. Cause I'm not trying to be fifty years old running from the police. You know what I mean?

• 5:57Speaker 01

  And I knew that there was more out there and that technology, I said, anything's possible with that shit.

• 6:03Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you got to twenty and it was armed robbery?

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Two armed robberies, two firearm violations.

• 6:07Channing Crowder?

  Firearms. What pushed you to that? Cause I, I, I, you know, I saw you said before, like you was trying to fit in.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:13Channing Crowder?

  Trying to, you know, but what pushed you to that? And then could you kind of take us through those situations?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, what happened was, I had two different situations, man. One, I had, uh, robbed the video store, one, I robbed KFC. I used to rob the money bag. I used to go and get the money bags before they try to do the deposit. I was like, oh, they going to do it today, let me slide up in that motherfucker. Uh, but before that, I used to boost and steal, do petty shit, but that was quicker. I had a big homie that said, man, we get these money, but he put me down. I'm like, oh damn, that's quick, that take a second. But I ain't understand when that, when you get that firearm and it change the game. I ain't understand that, well, right there, he ain't tell me that. That the time go from, you know, some, some light shit to, you know, so that's what I did and it was like. It was this, it's this lot of shit be environmental, man, and you wanna be down and you want money. You gotta understand, being black in America and living in the ghetto.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  You's a cornball, you's a sucker, you's a lame, you's a weirdo, if you don't get money. And you don't, and you, and you, and you don't wear jewelry, you don't wear designer clothes, you a fucking clown. So, I'm growing up in an eighties and nineties, you know, where it was, we ain't handle social media. But, but we had that, and if you look, it's still sorta like that now. So you gotta understand, and when I'm in the ghetto, man, it's like. You mean to tell me I ain't gonna be no criminal? When everybody in the world respect a successful criminal? Go ask the judge, go ask the lawyer, go ask the fucking, a sheriff, FBI agent, what's your favorite movie? They gonna say some susce- Godfather, Scarface. American love the successful criminal, I need to be that. And then I'm looking in my neighborhood, when a drug dealer pull up?

• 7:41Speaker 01

  He pull up in a fucking car, he got the Benz, his music blasting, it's the eighties. He got, he got all the jewelry on, he coming to get the baddest woman, the sexiest, most beautifulest woman in the neighborhood, jumping in his car. But you guess what, you know what else happening? When she jumping in his car, Ms. Brown, Ms. Smith, Ms. Lois, all of them is looking at that man with admiration and respect. They ain't looking at me, only time they talk to me is when they need me to go get them a pack of cigarettes from the store. I said, oh, so I'm sitting there, and I'm looking at this whole movie take place in the ghetto of, oh shit. If I'm black, and I'm a young, and I'm a black man in America. I'm not gonna be respected in my community unless I'm a fucking criminal. And I can succeed at being a criminal, and I put some jewelry on my neck.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  And I, and I put some designer clothes on my, and I fuck all the bitches in my neighborhood. If I'm not dead, I lose. I'm nobody, I'm corny. And don't nobody wanna be corny in the ghetto.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  The worstest thing is to be corny. Don't nobody wanna be corny, or look like a weirdo or lame, you wanna be cool. So what do we do? We do what make us get accepted. How do we get in the game? How do we get the equipment? This shit, most of the shit in the ghetto to be cool, you need equipment. Jewelry, car, clothes. How you gonna get the equipment? You ain't getting that shit working no job. You see what I'm saying? We didn't have it now when we knew about credit. When we knew about this. We didn't have all that shit back then. Now you got things where it's though now these young men, they got all these opportunities to win now with technology. It ain't no excuses now. You got so many ways to get a job and employment, start a business. We didn't have that. We didn't know that. Now it's like they got the world in their hand. They got a satellite in their hand with the phone, you know? But that's what it was, man.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  I wanted to be down and it pushed me to the, it'll push you to the edge to do some dumb shit. And that's what I did and it got me where it got me.

• 9:25Fred Taylor?

  Hey, Wallo, I saw a video where you spoke about five minutes. And those incidents that you speaking and chatting about, you say that five minutes cost you 20 years of your life, right? With that, and you inspiring. So it's two sides to how you inspire from what I've seen in you. You know, you inspire teaching people game, and then you also try and inspire the youth. Do you feel more of an obligation to teach game? Or to circumvent our youth from making frivolous decisions as you did when you were younger? That'll land them where you were?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  It's a mix of both. It's like gumbo. It's like vegetable soup. You know, you get anything in there because, all right, I could tell you not to go to the street game, but I still gotta give you some game to show you a different way. Because I could say, put that package down, but I also gotta say, listen, check this business spotlight where this dude teach you how to get your LLC. Or this boy teach you how to clean your credit up. So it's a mixture of this shit. It's like a mixture because it's like,

• 10:25Speaker 01

  like me personally is like,

• 10:28Speaker 01

  I always tell these dudes it costs too much to be a criminal. And I was one of the people out of a lot of people, I was one of the people that I was able to flip that time. Now, five minutes that it took me to get all that time, you know, later on in life about like we in Philadelphia about like,

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Probably 20 blocks from here is a restaurant called Devon's, right? And I took, and I went into Devon's with Eric Nardini and Dave Portnoy to Barstool Sports. And it took me less than five minutes to close a multimillion dollar deal. You see what I'm saying? So I was able to take that time because I'm always thinking about time. You see what I'm saying? And that was in, that was in 2019. Six months after we started the podcast. Now, and then I walked in off, we walked in off as about a couple of months ago and took four minutes to close another deal. It was no bullshit. You know, so it's like, I go from doing these robberies for petty money, doing robberies and crying for petty money that taken five minutes to take away 20 years of my life

• 11:30Speaker 01

  to go and taking five minutes, four to five minutes down here at this restaurant, and four to five minutes in Barstool office some months back to get tens of millions of dollars.

• 11:41Fred Taylor?

  Do you feel like you've gotten that 20 years back?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  You know what's crazy? That's why I go hard every day to try to help people as much as possible. Because I don't want it back. Because it's what helped me become and what helped me wake me up and realize, oh shit, I was on some dumb shit. It helped me become a man. I had to go through that process and I had to go to that, that, the place to learn. The way that I think I could get it back is by saving lives. By being able to, you know, educate a young cat and say, oh, listen nephew, I tell you my story and I share my story so you can learn from my story and learn my story nephew. If you're not a real one, real, don't be one. Don't be no real, be a real you. Because if you could be a real you, you gonna win. If you be a real, you going in that grave or you going in that cell? And what's real about that?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  What's, what's, what's so real about losing your life? Or what's so real about sitting in a cell where they could come and crack your door open and say, yeah, come on, break that ass, break them cheeks?

• 12:35Fred Taylor?

  Don't tell him that. Don't say that.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  He'll like it. Oh, wait, hold on.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  That's all he want.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  But I'm just saying. You gotta send a woman in there though. They ain't gonna send a woman. They gonna send, you know what I mean? But, but what I'm saying is like, so it's a mixture of that. So it's like, you know, we gotta, uh, every, everybody out here is giving information. And that's what I be trying to tell people. That's why when I see us, especially black people that's in, in the space, black people that get in spaces, they think it always gotta be one or we gotta compete. Dump shit. And I just seen a lot of weird shit myself where people get on these platforms and say little slick shit. Whereas though, me personally, I had to cut my [__] off because I'm like, damn. Because my thing is like this, Fred, you know me, I know you, we know each other. I would never say anything, anything to go against you or anybody else to, to try to knock y'all down and make me better than y'all because I'm not, I'm a human. We breathing the same air, bro.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  But when I see that, a lot of times as black folk, we gotta understand that all of us got a part to play out here with this, that, you know, the podcast shows, whatever you want to call it. We got a part to play. Stop the bullshit. Play your part and keep it moving. Sometimes business ain't gonna go right. Sometimes we ain't gonna get along. Cool. But when it comes to educating people, we gotta do that. Y'all sit here, y'all educate thousands and thousands of men. When y'all dead and gone, there's gonna be young athletes watching y'all stuff that y'all created, watching y'all intellectual property that y'all created, episodes y'all, and learning information from them because they might be lost or they might don't have no elders, you know? Like the place, y'all, y'all playing a part of elders for the, for the league. Not just, not just for NFL, but for sports.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Because there's so many young brothers in the sports game that's lost. They hit these cities, they hit Philadelphia, they hit Cincinnati, they hit Oakland, they hit, uh, Atlanta. The money, the women, they gone. The fake ass friends, they gone. They gonna be able to watch y'all show and y'all gonna be educating people when y'all gone. So the moves y'all making today is going to secure the futures of the family members. Y'all won't even be living the week. Me, cuz this is intellectual prop. This shit is real. It's gonna be here forever. So, you gotta understand, like, I be trying to tell people, we all together, but we just, it's always an ego. It's an ego battle. Like I said, that's why most black men die in the inner cities. Cuz it's an ego clash. It's always an ego clash. But it's like, yo, bro, it's not that deep, bro. We sitting on camera just giving people information, like, stop.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Like, bro, like, it's not that deep, man. What is I'm batting you? I don't wanna fight you. I'm not a boxer, bro. Like, what is going on? Like, chill. Like, we gotta chill, but we don't know how to do that sometimes. And they get real competitive about nothing. And it's like, if you really about what you trying to do, you know what I mean? When I see the name Pivot, I'm thinking about pivoting. I pivot. I made an unbelievable pivot in life. It's gonna be people that y'all wanna educate to pivot. Y'all educating people about that. Y'all, y'all having great conversations with legends. I'm talking about legends, people that, some of the greatest people that ever walked this, this life. Y'all creating a mindset shift for people to watch this and be like, oh shit, that's what I could do? So that's why I'm like, what y'all doing? I salute you ever since we first talked. It's like-

• 15:36Fred Taylor?

  Uh, pivot back to the, the meeting with Dave, right? And Barstool. How did you guys land that opportunity?

• 15:44Speaker 01

  What happened is, let me take it all the way back. I woke up one morning, it was like April 2019, somewhere around there, March, April. I'm reading articles, like, 4:00 in the morning, I'm reading an article. Spotify allocate 400 million to a podcast in the first quarter. I'm like, oh shit. Everybody been telling me and my cousin Gil to start a podcast. We be like, we waiting to get our numbers up. I call him, I say, listen, cuz, what you want? Get up. Please, just read this article and call me back. He read the article, called me back. So by the time he read the article and called me back, I was already putting the play into the logo. I had the LLC getting drafted up, the trademark, everything in that one day. I said, later on, you gonna get a docket signed, cuz, just sign this shit. And, like, he, he said, when he seen, he read that shit, called me back, he said, what the? I said, we going in the game.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Uh, people was telling us for years to do a podcast, but my cousin's already started from 2012. Not a podcast, but he, he's always give people million dollars worth of game. But, take it back to sports, and, you know, football- There was one person that called us all the time and they was doing a podcast. And he used to be like, yo, man, stop playing, stop playing, y'all need to, come on, man. Do the, I'm talking about this motherfucker called me all the time and this somebody that been close to me from, like since I came home from prison. This dude was a major person when I was in jail because Saturdays in prison is gambling time, baby. College football, baby. It's gambling. And this person that always called me and always connected to me, we talk to this day. It was Maurice Claret. He was the one that told, he used to tell me and Gil all the time, yo, man. What is your, come on, I'm telling y'all missing money.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And what was so great is that cuz Gil already had like, a saying, he had the million dollars river game, he was doing it. And that's like where really like 2012, all we had, he was building something. So by the time I came home, I got my feet wet. I was able to come in and we was able to join in Scotty. We was able to, you know, Stockman and Malone. We was able to Shaq and Kobe this shit because, you know, we was named, but. So when we started it, 2019 April.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  By November, I got Spotify on the phone. I think Shaka Zulu had made some calls too, so that's probably how Courtney Ho got my number also. Shout out to Shaka Zulu. And we talking to him and he said some shit to me like, how much you want? I almost dropped the phone, I'm scared to death. Motherfucker asked me how much it was, I don't do that type of talk. He said, how much do you want? How much you guys want? I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't, listen, man. So I said, damn, what we gotta do? Like I said, uh, do we, you know what I mean, do we get to stay on YouTube? He's like, we want everything. I said, nah. No, we ain't doing that. But we finished calling, we talking back and forth, then we got introduced to Barstool. And when we met them, it was like, that shit took five minutes, man.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Because one thing about them, first of all, I love my partnership with them. They're great partners. And I think we need to amplify and educate people in the power of partnership. Eric Nardini, Dave, uh, Dave Portnoy over there, Gaz and everybody, the whole team over there. They're great partners. And so we got with them and it was straight to the point. They already did their research. They was like, oh, you know, y'all the real deal. Y'all shit is real. I mean, we don't got nothing like y'all, but we'd love to partner up with y'all. Boom, boom, boom. You know what I mean? Y'all keep your IP. We do, you know, we gonna figure out the merch, 'cause they got a great merch business over there. And, uh, we just gonna figure this business out, but we gonna do an ad rev split. I said, "All right, bet." Basically a licensing deal, that's it. Took us four or five minutes, we done that. And through the partnership, it was just a lot of information.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  I would go to the office, and everybody was, everybody was in the office, from the sales team, to the marketing team, to the editing team, to the graphic team. Everybody was educational. I would go there for, I'd go up to New York for two days, you know what I mean? And just kick it with, and they would just get, "Wallo, this is this. See these numbers? This is this, this is the RSS feed. This is this. Wallo, boom. This how we do the merch. Wallo. This how you do the sales. This is what the ad rev..." I never seen no place like that. There wasn't no secret squirrel shit going on. It was real, uh, transparent partnership. And I said, "Okay." And, uh, you know, they did something that, that, that blew my mind. I get a call from Erica one day. She called me, she said, "Wallow, I need you to, you and Gil to meet some people." I said, "All right, cool."

• 19:54Speaker 01

  I'm like, "All right, ain't no problem. We could, could go with them." So she said, "These are some important people." So me and Gil said, "All right, cool. We go to New York, go to the meeting, right?" Just me and Gil. And Dave calls, like, "Yo, I want you to meet these guys." We walk into the room, nice little restaurant, and what's his name? It's two guys. Shake my hand. They say, "Hey, we such and such, such and such." I said, "So, so what do y'all do?" Right? This way it get tricky, Fred, 'cause I, I didn't lie, I'm like, "This shit never happened to me in my life." He said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, we, we, we fund, we fund the Barstool. We fund them."

• 20:27Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Michelob Ultra. Good times mean competitions between you and your friends, like seeing who can throw some pigskin the farthest, or rush the field the fastest. Winner gets an Ultra. Because it's not just a Superior-like beer, it's also giving fans superior access to their favorite sporting events. Superior is worth playing for. Visit michelobultra.com/superioraccess to enter. Enjoy responsibly. Copyright 2026 Anheuser-Busch InBev Michelob Ultra Beer, St. Louis, Missouri.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  So, so I say, "Whoa, whoa, what the [__] you talking about?" So when I call Erica, I, I go to the back, I'm like, "Erica, now..." She said, "No, you know, y'all growing, and y'all gonna become big like us, so we, we wanna introduce y'all to some capital." This shit don't happen, bro.

• 21:10Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Who take you, who take you to go meet the plug?

• 21:14Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  And say, here. That's when I knew these people was righteous people. It wasn't no try to middleman and none of that. It was like, here go some people, they do funding, we did some business with them in the past. They got unlimited. And when I say they own every, they, they got ownership in everything. Name a brand and, and more than likely, they got some ownership in it, because they funded them. These VCs, big time. So, that showed me some different shit. You see what I'm saying? That showed me some different when you dealing with partners, that's willing to say, you know what? We don't know how long our partnership might last, but here go some funding people that you might need. Here go some OPM, some other people's money, some great partners. You know, they might want a little action on some, uh, some equity, but it's gonna be worth it.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  So, that's the next level shit that I, that I love, because what's going on out here sometimes, and I, and I be, and, and sometimes a lot of people don't talk about it. When you doing business, you gotta do business with business. And I don't think a lot of times, we don't know how to do business with business as black people, because we, we got this thing in us where it's though, there's a lot of cultural finessing going on.

• 22:15Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Oh, no, do this with, no, no. I'm doing business.

• 22:18Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Now, if we doing business, that's cool.

• 22:20Fred Taylor?

  Cultural finessing is, they're gonna market what they're doing by saying, we gotta be black.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  We gotta be black, we gotta be black, but our business ain't gotta be right. And I'm not saying that's for everybody.

• 22:31Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  But, but, but, but, but when you look at it, it's about partnership. And if it's partnership, don't try to cultural finesse me, because like,

• 22:40Speaker 01

  we supposed to do business and, and, and how I'm gonna do business with you and y'all, you know, eighty-five or seventy-five million dollars short? Then what these people talking about? What we talking about now? We not talking no business. Oh, we black. Oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm trying to make moves that they just gonna secure the future of the family members I won't be living to meet. I can't do that, playing this bullshit, and you trying to finesse me so you can middleman. Because you're not taking me to the plug like they did.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  You're not gonna do that. You wanna get in between me and say, uh, here go ten million, but I'mma make forty on the back, cuz I'mma cut y'all off, middleman y'all. Ain't gonna educate y'all about the business of this shit. And it's gonna be a lot of money coming in from marketing, ad, that you're not gonna know about. But take this little punk ass ten. We not doing that. Me and Gillie ain't doing that. Cuz one thing about us, we the outsiders. We not, we not doing all that. We don't do that all that, uh, and I think a lot of times, a lot of people get mixed up in all these partying, celebrity, all this fake ass get together stuff. We don't do that shit. And it's not that we don't fuck with our people, we do. But it's a lot of bullshit that come with that. And a lot of people get drunk in these parties, this what's his name, next thing you know, they signing some bullshit.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Because we can pull our paperwork out, we own a hundred percent. We getting real, serious money. We just ain't no bullshit. This ain't, for real, for real, I, I feel like I play in the league, baseball.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  You said something, you said baseball, though. Baseball different. Guaranteed. You see what I'm saying? And I'm gonna be playing for a while. Right, love it. You see what I'm saying? And, and I only do thirty-six months deals. And I only do licensing deals. So it's a, it's a different conversation. So, at a lot of times, we gotta take our business to where business wanna respect our business. That's it. That's all I'm telling people. If it so happen to be black people, cool. If it's not, cool. But don't, don't be finessing to the, that, do it for the culture. Alright, what you mean do it for the culture? I gotta do it for my babies. I gotta do it for my grandmother. You gotta do it for your kids. You gotta do it for, you gotta do it for your kids and your wife if you've expired today. If you expire today, how your people gonna be taken care of? Cuz the culture ain't coming to worry about your motherfucking people.

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• 26:05Fred Taylor?

  Wallow peep this, right? Like, you know a lot, bro. Like, you giving us game, like, you really know a lot. When did you give yourself that game? At what moment? If you can go back, what was the moment that, uh, you said, you know what? This is it, this is gonna be my lane, and I'm gonna run it no matter what? Like, well, it was, when you was doing your bid, did something inspire you to, to, to, to change your entire mindset? Like, what, what?

• 26:30Speaker 01

  When I was in jail, I realized-

• 26:31Fred Taylor?

  When was that come-to-God moment?

• 26:33Speaker 01

  First, when I was in jail, and I realized, this is what I realized. When I was in jail, and I realized this. I was living a lie, because I was out there in the streets being somebody that I wasn't. You know why I knew I wasn't that person? Because every time I did some dumb shit or some street shit, I would always question myself, like, damn, why you do that? You ain't had to do that. Or I would question the homie, like, yo, why the [bleep] you, uh, you ain't had to hit him upside his head? What the [bleep] we? Never, stop bitching. I had a consciousness. But I wasn't around the right people to, like, a lot of times, when you ain't around the right people, it [bleep] you up. So that's what happened to me. But, I got that, but when we talking about business, when I got out of jail, all I ever did in jail was read. And I wanted to know something. If I wanted to know something, I'm going to do the research on what I wanted to know. And one thing about partnership-

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Outside of just Barstool, I have an unbelievable, unbreakable, extraordinary partnership with my cousin Gillie. That's my big cousin. What he did, he laid the foundation. When I was in jail, he was out here putting it down through the whole time, staying alive. Doing whatever he had to do to stay alive. He laid the foundation, so I said, "Okay, we got a part to play." Because you did that, cuz, okay, this one I'm gonna do. My responsibility is research, I'm the research guy. I'm gonna go and do the research and all that shit. And once it get to where it need to be at, before it get to legal, I'm coming to you. Cuz, look at this shit right here. The same way we do when we deal with contracts and we be doing deals, we huddle. Because the way a contract is done is like this.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  And we right here, we gonna talk about it this and the third, soon as we talk about it, figure it out. To make sure we solid on what we said, now go to legal.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Your lawyers and my lawyers gonna talk, and they gonna make sure everything that we agreed upon, that we said to them on the phone. And he said, "Boom." Because you got numbers, right?

• 28:20Speaker 01

  You can look at numbers.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  But as a measurement of cultural impact, you can't look at. Now, when you looking at y'all, it's like, okay, here go your numbers, then it's, hold up, the pivot?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  What's the cultural impact measurement of the pivot?

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Now, that's a whole different play. Because when I'm looking at y'all, I'm looking at, hold up. We got, this is not no show where you got some people that didn't play and get dirty talking about sports. These people that got dirty, y'all bled for this shit. Numbers?

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Y'all got good numbers, y'all got good retention rate, y'all got that. Y'all got blood, sweat and tears as NFL athletes.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Then y'all got influence over athletes. Because y'all got a platform to educate athletes. And, cuz, you gotta think, when we say athletes, we're not just talking about pros, we talking about these kids in high school. We talking about anybody that's in this, and it's, everybody watch y'all show, that's into sport, they watching this shit. Y'all got some great guests, and when the guests come here, they open up.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  That's hard. A lot of people, you see, you know, it's only certain shows where it's no guests go to, and they bleed on camera. A lot of people ain't gonna bleed, they ain't gonna show their blood, they gonna sit there. And shell up. Yeah, no, yeah. So, so you gotta measure all that shit. How do you measure that shit? That's a good question. So, you know, that's how that go.

• 29:48Channing Crowder?

  And Waldo, I gotta ask you, man, cuz the penal system's fucked up. We all know it, war on drugs, the brown and black people, the population. Honestly, just the population of our prisons are bigger than any other country in the world. We know it's messed up. But it seems like prison work for you.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 30:07Channing Crowder?

  It seemed like the rehabilitation was, if you never, if you didn't get caught with them robberies, you would've keep robbing people.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Oh, without a doubt. I was gonna get busy that day. The next day, I was waking up.

• 30:19Channing Crowder?

  So, it worked for you?

• 30:20Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna say rehabilitation because, let me explain something to you.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Prison is a big place, right?

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Everybody, every counselor, it's not enough programs, it's not enough counselors, it's not enough therapists. You go to prison to rehabilitate yourself. Prison is not a place for rehabilitation. Prison is a business, and what business do you know that don't want their customers to come back? Prison is business. Big business in America.

• 30:51Ryan Clark?

  That's real.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  It's big business. It ain't about no rehabilitation. Cuz rehabilitation was real. When you come out, people will respect you like that. But if you get a crime on your jacket, you done for life. So, we not gonna, we don't believe in rehabilitation. From the system doing it, you gotta rehabilitate. If you walk in here today, you gotta figure out yourself, how I'm gonna do this shit myself, and how I'm gonna change. Cuz there's a lot of time and there's a lot of space in there. And ain't nobody worrying about you if you not worrying about you. Motherfuckers trying to come there, do their job and roll, get their eight hours. If you learn that I ain't worrying about you, I'm just coming here to chill. Some motherfuckers don't do nothing in there on the staff side of things. So, it's like, you gotta figure that shit out yourself. But we keep forgetting, prison is one of the big corporations of America.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  You gotta stay in the whole industry. Prison, police, parole officer, judges.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Motherfuckers stop doing crime, we done. America gonna fall. Think about that shit. It built America. So shit gonna fall, you get what I'm saying? So you gotta understand that. So it's like, it's up to you. And they, you know, and they give you time and a lot of time and space to figure this shit out. That's how I look at it. Like, when you get sentenced, oh, we gonna give you some time, go ahead and think about that shit. And you gotta figure it out. But it's not their job to figure it out for you.

• 32:04Ryan Clark?

  A big thing you mentioned earlier when you were saying you weren't in prison, you were in Princeton. And in your time in jail, you talked about reading. And, you know, I know you wrote in The Book of Life and all of those things. But what I've admired about you and watching you is vulnerability, is openness. You talked about bleeding. And you've bled, whether it be on your social media, on Million Dollaz Worth of Game, all of those things. You've shown your true self. And speaking with Dirk, and you were talking about King Von, and forgiving your brother's killing.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:35Ryan Clark?

  Tears in your eyes and talking about it. And the way you've inspired people through that story. Everything that you have mentioned is about loving black people, but also understanding how the stereotypes of what makes black people popular, or strong, or tough, right, are things that we have to break in order to be successful, in order to give back to community. Where did you learn, or when did it become apparent to you that authenticity, vulnerability, is what we need as a community in order for our communities to grow?

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I stopped giving a fuck, man. Like, one of the greatest things that happened to me when I was in prison, I cried. Because as a kid in the community, especially a boy in a ghetto, you taught to be tough by your mom. Fall off the swing, you better not cry. Boy, stop crying. Everybody teach you, the dehumanization of black people is a deep thing, about black people. Don't be a fucking human, be a robot. Don't feel, be tough, don't cry. You don't go through a hard moment. You can't say, "I'm stressed out, I'm going through it." That's weak. You can't say, "I'm depressed." That's weak. You can't cry. That's weak. You can't get emotional and tell a woman, "Oh, baby, I love you," in public. You soft ass. You's a simp. We, listen, think about this.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  You would be called a simp if you told the woman, the mother of your child, the woman you love, that you love her out loud. And you always, you regularly told her that in an environment where they don't do that, that's simp ass. He a simp. Think about how we think, bro.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  I'm like, I ain't got time for that shit. That shit, that shit is heavy to carry around this joint. I ain't gonna feel, I ain't gonna cry. Man, that shit will, you will explode. Your back will hurt. You'll be [__] up. So I said, I ain't got time for that bullshit, man. I'm just gonna get out here and I'm gonna live my life. And if you like it, like it. If you don't, don't. It's 8 billion people on the planet. I don't need anybody to fuck with me to win. If you don't mess with me, so what? Because I ain't tough. Because I don't want to be a real [__] no more. You tripping. And when I was real, I wasn't a real [__] because I still had questions about that. About, hold on, did I do that right? Was I supposed to do that? That didn't feel good. Come on, man. Be bullshit, man.

• 34:45Ryan Clark?

  Hey, my man, talk about a million dollars worth of game. We're gonna take a break just to give a shout out to DraftKings. And DraftKings is still running a deal where if any new customer signs up, uses the promo code PIVOT, any pregame money line wager, $5. You win, you hit, you get $150 and free bets. And it's a big time week in the AFC North because Pittsburgh and Baltimore, they re-ignite that old rivalry.

• 35:09Channing Crowder?

  You know, I love my same game parlays. Multiple bets on the same game and have a chance of winning even more money on that game? I gotta go with Miami-LA. Two young quarterbacks dueling it out. I think I'm gonna go on a side and I'm gonna take some overs because I think that's gonna be a high-scoring game.

• 35:24Fred Taylor?

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• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  Right now, get your devices out, download the DraftKings Sportsbook app. It's the perfect place for you to play and have a great time. Now we getting back to Wallo.

• 35:51Ryan Clark?

  You start to build while you're in jail. You get out, I think it was something like 150 days. You had 60,000, like 60,000 Instagram followers, but you got immediate fame. Even being in jail and like you said, rehabilitating yourself, it doesn't prepare you for that, right? You don't go from robbing and boosting and doing things to right away, you're famous and you're famous for positivity. How did you adjust to now not only being in the spotlight, but being thought of as an inspiration and now moving forward in that?

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Like, to be realistic with you, like, like Gil will tell you, Gil, Gil be like, you don't even know what's going on. He say that to me all the time because I be like...

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Man, leave me alone. I'm gonna go ahead and make my tuna, my oldest news and chill, man. I ain't got time for all this shit. Like, I'll be in the cut. I don't really look at it like that. Cause I'm not tripping off nobody, cause guess what? The same way you could bleed and die, I can. Same ear you breathe, I ain't better than you and you ain't better than me. And that's how I look at life. So I'm not tripping off of it. It's not that deep to me. I help people. And I, and, and, and I'm the help that I wanted when I was in prison. Everybody said they want somebody to help them, but when you gonna be the help that you want, want for yourself? And that's it, and I back up. I go in the cut. I go in the crib, I go to my little, little food spots, eat my shit, and I dip. I don't care. Cause it's not that deep, cause I'm not trying to flex on nobody. That's the thing that's different for me.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  I'm not trying to look for no acceptance from a bunch of people that really don't love me, but just love me for popularity and fame. Now, I'm cool with the little people that love me. I'm, I'm cool with that. You know what I mean? Now, if I help you, I'm thankful for that. But you ain't gotta, you ain't gotta reward me. You ain't gotta, I'm just living my life, and I guess this, this is what the mission I was on. You see what I'm saying? Like, you gotta think about this, man. I'm from about, I'm from about like forty blocks from here. My brother died and my grandma armed about forty blocks from here.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  And that forty blocks from here, I got a lot of homies. I'm talking about Richie. I'm talking about Lil' Li, Fatty, um, uh, uh, uh, Kendell, Baldy, Jay Rose, Rundy, Jason, uh, uh, Lil' Jamil, Aunt Low, Lil' Steve. Um, it's, I could go on. I could, I could drop, I could drop fifty-five. All died. You see what I'm saying? They all dead. So, so for me,

• 38:14Speaker 01

  it'd be hard. Cause it'd be like, they ain't get a chance to do what I'm doing, and they ain't get a chance, and I wish that they could.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  It'd be like, I be in my own world sometimes, cause I be like, I, where my people at? Where the people I grew up with? Why they ain't get a chance to live like me? How did I do this and they did? So it'd be a lot I'd be battling with. You see what I'm saying? So a lot of times, I'd just be like, ah, cause, you know, I know people out here, but I don't know people out here. I know my people. That, that, that, you know, got killed when he was sixteen. Oh, this, you know, so it's, it's, it's real wild. Are, are the homies that's in the penitentiary that can't come back? You know what I mean? And, uh, you know, it, it's, it's, it's, it's just, it's just crazy. I got a call, right?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  And I ain't even share this with nobody, but I got a call from one of my homies in prison.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  And I was so, like, when I answered the call,

• 39:14Speaker 01

  he was so happy. And I was like, "Yeah!", you know? And when he told me what he told me, I was excited. I'm like, "Damn." He said, "Man, I'm finally getting out of jail, man. I'm coming home, bro." I said, "Yeah!", I said, "I got you." You see what I'm saying? I know, you know, he been down for like,

• 39:35Speaker 01

  damn near twenty-something years. This is one of my cellmates in a joint. He probably got like twenty-seven years in. "I'm making parole, baby." I said, "What?" I said, "My fucking man is going down, baby. I got you. I'm gonna show you life." You know what I mean? And all this type of shit running through my joint. "I'm sending him to Miami. I'm gonna let him do this. I'm gonna do this on the third." And then I said, "So, what, like, what they do? Like, when? Like, when you doing?" He said, "I don't know, man. I probably like about like, six, seven months, they saying." I'm like, "So, you know, I'm kicking it with him." I'm like, "What date? They ain't give you no date yet? Like, you don't..." He said, "I don't know no date for sure, but I'm coming home, baby. I'm finally getting out of jail."

• 40:13Speaker 01

  He was excited.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  And then, and then I said, "So, what happened in the courts?" He said, "No, ain't nothing happened in the courts, but I'm finally going..." I said, "Well, how you getting out?" He said, "Homie, I got cancer, man. I'm ready to be out of here, man." Damn. That shit.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  It was, it was so much. It was like, "Damn." Because he, he used to talk about getting out of jail like it was,

• 40:43Speaker 01

  you know, when he had life, and it's like, he was so excited that he gonna die and get out of jail. That he gotta die to get out of jail. And it was like, "I'm coming home." And I was like, and I was so excited for him, but it was like...

• 40:57Speaker 01

  I know this dude, man. He a good dude. I ain't saying what he did wasn't wrong, but I know him and it's like, he like, "Man, he never got a second chance." And he was so happy that he gonna be dying soon, that he gonna be out of here just to be able to...

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Just to be able to be free. That's fucked up, man. So it's like, it'd be so much of me fighting, because I'm like, "Damn."

• 41:25Speaker 01

  There's so many people that I know...

• 41:28Speaker 00

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• 41:59Speaker 01

  I know they'd be happy for me and I wish they could celebrate with me, because it don't mean shit to me. You see what I'm saying? Because it's like,

• 42:08Speaker 01

  everybody think money is that. Money, you know, and I'm not saying that nobody can't make people happy that's around you, but if you're empty, you still will be empty. If you're lonely, you still will be lonely. If you're hurting, you still will be hurting. And I know there's plenty of players, as y'all know, that was a fucked up position, no matter how much money they get. Because there's certain people that you want to do things, or there's certain people that you just want to be around you. Because you know, they don't need nothing from you. You know? Because it's lonely at the top, baby. A lot of people say that, but it's real because everybody, you don't know who angling, now you gotta be paranoid out there, fucking in order to survive. So this shit is deep. So when I say... There's so many people and I be feeling fucked up a lot of times because of that.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  There's so many people that I wish was here with me right now to be able to celebrate, but they not.

• 42:56Channing Crowder?

  With all that, man, it's crazy. You tell that story about your man's in jail. And then when you was rattling off your homeboys, I thought you was about to say they still there.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 43:05Channing Crowder?

  You named a dozen names.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  No, I got more. There's more.

• 43:09Channing Crowder?

  Are you desensitized to it? Because I lost my grandparents, they ninety years old, you know what I'm saying? But you losing young men that you grew up with at a young age.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  I was talking to a sister named Shay, but at the time she was working for the Sixers. And Shay, and Shay, uh, she close friend of a girl that's like my sister named Nisa. And I remember one time we was talking and she said she never been to a funeral or some shit, right? She was in San Diego and I, and I snapped like, how the fuck you never been to a funeral? That's crazy. And later on, Nisa talked to me, she's like, well, she's like, Wallo. I know you, I know you used to it, but that's not normal. It got to a point where I've been to so many funerals, it just like sometime become like just going to a little get together. It's not even a funeral no more. So I might be fucked up from that. Because like, it's like, my grandma said, I've been to, I remember one summer, she was like, you been to more funerals in the summer than I did my whole life.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  My grandma, you know, she damn near ninety now, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's wild, man. So you just become numb to a lot of shit, man.

• 44:09Channing Crowder?

  Do you have any survivor's remorse? Because you, you, yeah, you not only survive, but you thrive and then you can name all of those people.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  It's hard, you know, coming out of prison. I don't think too many people was ever to accomplish on a level I did. You got people like Bernard Hopkins, they're, but it's not a lot of people, it's not a lot of us. My man El Sori do a lot of films, so you gotta, you gotta select few, but it's not a lot of people that come out. That shit is hard. And I be trying to tell family members, like, when people come home from prison, you gotta be patient with them. Because this, we never get a lot of this back. A lot of us is fucked up. And, um, you gotta be patient with them. And the most scariest day for a dude getting out of prison is the, is the day you get out of prison. That's the worst day of prison. Because now you gotta be everything that you told your family you changed into on that phone. And you never had no temptation, you never had nothing coming to you to test to see if you that fucking guy you said you was. So now it's real. So it's like.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  It's a lot, man. It's just a lot.

• 45:05Ryan Clark?

  We could see the range of emotions and you don't hide things. And in hearing you speak, like I hear the pain. I hear the lessons. I hear the experience. How do you find joy? Because what you've accomplished is truly tremendous. To sit in, like you say, you met the plug. Like it's different when you meet the plug on the outside and the plug on the up and up. That's a sign of making it. Where do you find your joy in all the things that you've accomplished?

• 45:34Speaker 01

  You know, when I'm with my niece. When I'm with my cousin, when I'm with certain family members. I had a moments, but it's like. I realized that. A friend asked me not too long ago, like, "Wallo, what do you do to have fun?" I didn't even know what to tell her. Because I just grind. I don't know. It's probably gonna be when I have a kid or something. You know. Something like that. I don't know, man. You know. Because it's like, all I do is like, is grind. You know, and I think sometimes even my grind had a lost relationship with people. Because it's like my dreams is like, I just. I think. I was so much in competition with the person I used to be and getting far away from that person

• 46:19Speaker 01

  that I don't never want to stop.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  So it's like.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  I don't even know what that joy is like. You know what I mean? Because it's not like about, you know, money isn't. Things that.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  I don't know. Sometimes I think most I might get joy in is like when I be wrestling reading and trying to do research or some shit and that's still working. So I don't know.

• 46:43Ryan Clark?

  I listened to you talk in the middle of this show. And man, it was bam bam bam bam bam. And like I could truly see why people follow you and listen to you, how you motivate people, how you inspire people. But we ask what you do for joy and you start to stumble. Right? Like you're searching for words. You're searching for a thought. And to me, like it's almost like, and I hope this doesn't offend you, sad to me.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 47:15Ryan Clark?

  Because I feel like you should be not only celebrated by us and celebrated by the people that you inspire and that you affect and that you help. You gotta celebrate yourself.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  You know what, I've been, you know, I got people, Gil. You got people, friends, that always say that and I just be like,

• 47:34Speaker 01

  I just be cool, like, you know, after this, I'm gonna go in the crib and chill. I don't know what it is, man. You know, I don't know if it's that self-therapy. I go in the crib, go in my bedroom, lock the door and chill. Do my reading, look at shit.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Go on YouTube, do my research and just, I don't know. You know what I mean? It's like, you, I don't know if I'm just conditioned to that. Waking up in the morning, same, I don't know, it's repetitious. But, but one thing I do, I do get excited from grinding. I do get excited from pushing people. Cause I think, you know, it's easy for me to be pushed, cause I could just get, you know what I mean? But it's like, that's the only joy I got.

• 48:17Ryan Clark?

  Isn't that institutionalized?

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I might be.

• 48:20Ryan Clark?

  Cause usually, it was weird when you said that you wake up in the morning still. You've been out of jail for years.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:24Ryan Clark?

  And you still on prison time.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Same thing, I wake up, a lot of foods, I eat the tuna. A lot of shit, I, you know, peanut butter, I'm on the same, you know, I'm just on the same thing and I, and I know, like,

• 48:36Ryan Clark?

  You gotta break that, bruh.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  I know, it's, it's just like, it, it, it might be a comfort zone for me, I don't know. But I know when it's time for me to help people. It's time for me to push people. It's time for me to do business and execute the plan. I'm excited to the motherfucker. So I don't know.

• 48:55Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna say that. Aside from your own personal wins, how much does it excite you to, you've executed the plan, but you got your cousin with you. You guys had those conversations, like, how does that drive you to, to keep trying to kill this space and, you know, make sure you do everything right by it?

• 49:16Speaker 01

  I love, because my cousin, he went through a lot of shit and he was blackballed, it was a lot of shit. And to see him win is anything to me. Like, like, I, I get so excited seeing us win together, cause he win.

• 49:27Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  And I never thought, you know, and, and, and, you know, I'm one of the people like this and I tell people, I'm a team player. It's gonna be days where he gonna go out there and score 50 and I'm just gonna be giving him his water. Grabbing his towel. Uh, cause I'm a real team player. And I, and I, it's never, never just about me, it's about us. So, you know, I know the role I gotta play.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  And like, uh, and it's funny you say that, cause he be on me. "Man, go, go ahead, man. Come to the Bahamas with me. Go here, man." Fuck, he always be on me, like, "Go out there, man. You got, he always say that to me. It's funny." "Cause you gotta live, cuz."

• 50:00Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  He always say that to me.

• 50:01Channing Crowder?

  That's what I'm posting the other day.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  So, I think, I think my, my foot is stepping out a little more here. I'm doing a little shit here and there. But I just gotta just do it more, you know, uh, got a passport. I'm, uh, it's gonna connect.

• 50:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. Man, it's, this deep. You gave us a million dollars worth of game. And we love it, bro. But you know how my mind works. I just, there's some things I have to ask.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Go ahead, man, go ahead.

• 50:23Channing Crowder?

  About this prison stint. I just gotta know, twenty years is a long time. Did, did, did anybody try to take your cookies?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say this. It was some situations, right? Where it was some old vintages in there. They didn't get to that point.

• 50:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  But they had plans of trying to, uh, distract my innocence from me, probably.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Rather it was, rather it was throwing something on my bed, doing the laundry.

• 50:48Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  You know? Cause the motherfucker do your laundry, take your laundry bag, do your laundry. Fold it up. Come back and be nice on your bed, some box of candy, uh, nutty bars or something. You be like, "Damn." "Hey, this joint," and, cause that's how, I was like, "Oh shit." "This joint, this," and some of my, my, I'm always, "Oh, what the fuck, who did?" You know, straight some things out. There's always a, uh, there's always a chance that your innocence could be devalued from you.

• 51:13Channing Crowder?

  Okay. And, and when you got out, twenty years and not hollering at a woman.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:19Channing Crowder?

  Did you have a game when you got out? Could you go talk to a woman normally, or was it weird?

• 51:23Speaker 01

  No, I was running, I was jumping out the car. Cause listen, you gotta understand. I'm gonna say this, though.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  The body of a woman was different to now. So, when I was coming home, I want some old school shit.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  We'd be driving, see me and you driving somewhere. I'd be like, "Yo, yo, go, pull over." Tell him about the car running down the street. "Yo, what's up, shorty? Like, what's going on?" And, and they thought I was tripping. Because, after a while, I realized dudes don't even holler at chicks like that no more. They go in the DMs, try to say some shit. The dudes be out here acting more like bad bitches than the bad bitches. I didn't know, I'm just saying that. I didn't, I didn't know, I'm thinking, this is what we supposed to do, right? Right. I supposed to show you that I'm, I'm attracted to you and I'm trying to holler at you. The women got, I, I noticed after a while, some people say, "Wow, you can't do that shit." And then some woman that looked like I'm tripping, like, I'm like, "Damn, I'm showing you that I want to talk to you, right?" What I supposed to do? So I was a little lost for that for a minute, then I was like, "You know what? I gotta chill."

• 52:19Speaker 01

  And, and then, and Gil kicking, picking with me about it, because I went on a hiatus when I was like, "You know what? I shouldn't even be hollering at chicks right now, I gotta get my money right." I was just watching pornos and just jerking off, you know what I'm saying? So, because I was like, "I'm not in no position. I ain't got my credit right, I ain't got no license, I'm living in my grandma's middle room, so I can't bring no ass up in grandma's middle room and be tearing ass in the nanny hair next door." "Boy, what you doing?" So I gotta go in the room, I gotta go in the room and turn, you know, watch some, watch some porn on the phone, you know what I mean? And squeeze off like I'm in jail. You know what I'm saying? Because I didn't want nanny hair, so, so my life was different, my life was set up different based off of, I didn't have my life together. Like, I don't think a dude should be hollering at a woman if he ain't got his shit together.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Because you can't take out nowhere, what is you doing trying to holler at the woman? You ain't even got your, I think your credit and getting your bread together is more important than getting some ass. You know what I mean? You can watch some porn and handle that, but it's like, that's where I was at. My game was not, was my game tight? Couldn't have been. My game was aggressive than a motherfucker, because I'm seeing his ass. I'm like, "Whoa, them bodies wasn't like that when I was, this is some new shit." Yeah. The waist, ah, whoa, I'm like, "Whoa." You know what I mean? I didn't, I couldn't tell who had a weave or who had long hair. I'm thinking, "Damn, she got some Indian in her family." You know how we just take, ooh, look at that shit, the hell, ooh. We had some beautiful babies, that's how I'm thinking, because you don't know.

• 53:39Fred Taylor?

  Then you see that little lace front.

• 53:40Ryan Clark?

  Bald head as hell.

• 53:41Fred Taylor?

  You see that little lace front.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  You gotta get up close and see that, and the light hit it and show it. But the girl's got some good joints, the HD joints, where you don't see the joints, so you'd be like, oh. She definitely got some indie in her family.

• 53:51Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Did you see them in the Target Park lot on Thanksgiving?

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 53:56Ryan Clark?

  They had any?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Now, listen, now, listen, you know what was crazy about that? They was over there, ain't nobody bring me a plate, but there was some beautiful sisters there. You know what I mean?

• 54:03Ryan Clark?

  After you left, though?

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, after I left, I didn't, listen, you know what was crazy? I didn't know that they, listen, this is no bullshit, I really didn't know it was gonna be cool, because everything be hoping on Thanksgiving these days, so everything, so I didn't know that many other people was, I said fifteen people. I said fifteen women is that third, so once I do the video, I'm like, damn, ain't nobody here, I was knocked off. Couple sisters, like four sisters rolled up, socked it to the pot, gave them some bread, I jump in my car and I just leave. I'm like, alright, well, they ain't open, it's cool, everybody gonna stay home, because they just seen that it was closed. Somebody sent me a video like, Wallo, the police captain is looking for you. He said, where Wallo at, I need to talk to Wallo to get these people out of here. Because it was just like hundreds of people, I didn't know they was gonna come.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  So I said, okay, I said, tomorrow I'm not gonna announce, and I'm just gonna slide back through, whoever there, I'm gonna bless them, and that's what happened.

• 54:53Fred Taylor?

  Bro, you, you, you really put us on a thousand percent, and I'm glad we connected. And for people who don't know, when we got started, it was in January before we really took off, you hit us.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did.

• 55:05Fred Taylor?

  You hit me and said, keep pushing. I always give people their flowers, right?

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:10Fred Taylor?

  Uh, but I'm, I'm really inspired by, you know, your passion and how you've come out and really just evolved into something that's, to someone that's standing for something. Uh, I wanna know who's been your favorite guest on you guys' show, or who resonated the most with you?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  There's a lot of interviews, but I'm gonna say this.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Mike Tyson is one of the most transparent human beings on this earth. I love Mike. He don't, he don't not lie. Which is a beautiful thing. I love, I really love that Mike episode because it was like, we talking about a legend, man. They get on here and just be real about everything. Had all the money in the world, don't be, he a down to earth person. I ain't saying others ain't, but it's just, it's a lot, you know? I think it was Mike. I believe Mike, man, he was.

• 56:07Fred Taylor?

  He tried to get you to eat some, uh,

• 56:09Speaker 01

  No, he tried to get Gil to do it. I wasn't gonna do it. He tried to get Gil to do it. I wasn't gonna do it. I don't do that shit. I don't do drugs. I never did a drug a day in my life, but, but it was like, he was just so, that's a bad motherfucker, man.

• 56:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Yes, he is.

• 56:24Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 56:24Ryan Clark?

  He's scary.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  I mean, he bad, man. And I mean, he, he, you know, he got a boy on me, like, we was just like, it's like, yeah, Mike got a couple moves, and I was like, I hope he don't hit me with no body shots, man. I'm just fucking with Mike, like, this motherfucker will kill me. But like, he is so real, he's so funny. I'm, it, it's just, Mike. It's just, it was just crazy, man. Mike is the, Mike is that god to me, man.

• 56:48Ryan Clark?

  You are so transparent and you do have so much content. You, it feels like we know you. Sitting down here with you, man, there was so much depth to what you feel, how you communicated, who you are, and I think, and I hope that people who are fans of you, or people who are fans of ours, or if somebody get an opportunity to watch this, this episode, they can realize that. I will say this, though. Maybe change the name of your show. I know Gilly had it going before you. The game you spit, bruh, is priceless. And y'all shouldn't put a number on that, man. So thank you so much for your time, man. That was amazing, brother, straight up.

• 57:24Fred Taylor?

  Appreciate you.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Appreciate y'all, man.

• 57:26Ryan Clark?

  That was dope, dawg.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  Appreciate y'all, man.

• 57:30Ryan Clark?

  He one of them range of emotion guys, though. Like, you laugh, you learn. Then you get sad as hell.

• 58:00Speaker 06

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time. We go V.

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