Putin/Russia are Delusional & Famine Declared in Gaza | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse In this episode, the hosts discuss the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza, marked by a declared famine affecting hundreds of thousands. They explore the military strategies employed by Israel, the public sentiment in Israel regarding the conflict, and the challenges surrounding the two-state solution. The conversation also delves into the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia, examining the implications of military strategies and international support. The hosts emphasize the importance of maintaining a US presence in Iraq and the complexities of counterterrorism efforts in the region. Sign up to our newsletter here! https://teamhousepodcast.kit.com/ Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?u Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 Famine in Gaza: A Humanitarian Crisis 04:4 Military Strategies and Humanitarian Concerns 09:58 The Role of Hamas and Israeli Policies 15:09 Prospects for a Two-State Solution 20:04 Intelligence and Military Operations in Gaza 24:47 Political Dynamics and Military Decisions 33:23 Russia's Demands and Ukraine's Response 36:23 The Role of the US and Europe in Ukraine 38:53 Negotiating Peace: Challenges and Considerations 40:56 The Future of Ukraine: Military and Civilian Perspectives 44:11 Global Implications: China, Taiwan, and NATO 45:51 The Potential for Military Escalation 51:23 The Situation in Iraq and Counterterrorism Efforts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:56Speaker 00

  So big news, the UN has declared a famine in Gaza backed by, I guess, the integrated food security phase clarification. The IPC confirmed on Friday that the famine has taken hold in Gaza, governing encompassing Gaza City and the nearby areas. And warned it could extend to central and southern Gaza by late September.

• 2:21Speaker 00

  Obviously, a lot is happening there. Um, the Hamas has, uh, accepted the June ceasefire offer. Israel is currently like building up, um, forces ready to go in to occupy the majority of Gaza. So it looks like they're kind of, uh, on the opposite ends of the spectrum here. Uh, Mick, what are you tracking with, uh? First off, let's talk about the famine that was declared. There was a lot of back and forth actually going on on social media. Saying how they're classifying it as, for them to classify it as a famine, it should be thirty percent of people are malnourished.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  It's actually fifteen percent. Um, that was refuted too. So there's a lot of like disinformation and back and forth going on. So Mick, I know you're, you know what's going on here. So clueless in.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yes. So to present both sides, you started doing it, D. So you've got the IPC, which is a UN-backed organization that does this, right? So this isn't like they just randomly decided that they would declare a famine. They, the phases that we talk about and the fifth phase is the worst, uh, is what they're saying we're in. Uh, at least for parts of Gaza. And there is no phase after that. Death is the, is after that. So the concern of course is there's five hundred thousand people that the IPC says are currently in a famine. They predict that within a month, I believe, by the end of September,

• 4:00Speaker 01

  there'll be six hundred and forty thousand Palestinians in this phase. And once people start dying, uh, it increases exponentially, right? So, uh, it's, it's the end of the rope, if you will. So a lot of concern about that. And we can touch on the, the plan for the full occupation of Gaza, but obviously that impacts, uh, the famine, right? It's going to be more difficult, even if there's an all out effort to get people food when there's full on conflict combat in Gaza City. It's going to be very difficult to get food to be, uh, and you're going to have to relocate, uh, nine hundred thousand.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  So a huge concern at its height, the UN had, I think, four hundred food distribution points. Right now, there's four and they're all in the south.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  The the flip side, if you will, and you already addressed it, is the Israelis say, well, most of the stats are coming from, you know, the Ministry of Health in Gaza, which they believe is essentially run by Hamas. I don't know if it's it is or isn't, but that's their position. And so they think the facts are screwed are skewed. So that it's not actually, to your point, thirty percent, it's much less. So I don't know that I don't know, you know, even though we're involved in, we're not really much involved in Gaza anymore, but we certainly have been. And so we keep very close

• 5:31Speaker 01

  ties with the groups that do support folks in Gaza. So we do have, I think, more information than the average person on the situation, but I don't know which one's accurate, but unfortunately, we're going to find out. Right? Because when people start dying, when children start dying of malnutrition, if they do, then there's your unfortunate proof that they were correct. So I think everybody should get behind the idea that we should not allow innocent civilians, period, but certainly not children to die of starvation, especially when it's a manmade scenario.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Whether that man, you know, is Hamas, who obviously could care less about the civilians in Gaza, or the policies of Prime Minister Netanyahu, at one time completely cutting off food, which of course compounds the problem, even when you turn it back on. And then the very restricted nature of what's going on now. So

• 6:37Speaker 01

  again, I think unfortunately, we're going to find out who's right in the next coming weeks, if we start seeing a lot of deaths from

• 6:47Speaker 01

  from starvation.

• 6:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you know, uh, sorry, Dee. No, please. Are these agencies able to, uh, calculate? How much time and food it would take to get back above famine levels like well above? Are they able to do that?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  I think so. Yeah, Jay. I think, I think, I mean, they do this. And they've done it for decades. Unfortunately, the problem of famine has been a perpetual one. They have the science down. Uh, and it's, it's a science, not in the amount of food that you have available to people. But once you reach a certain phase, there's only certain foods you can eat. Unfortunately, if you're, if you're in the last phase, you can't just eat normal food, right? You can't just, um, it has to be very specific. It has to have the right amount of minerals and nutrition that can be digested. You know, like a steak, for example, can't be digested. Uh, so it's, it's the type of food.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  It's the medicine that would allow, so it's the rehydration, you know, medical uh, devices that would do that. But they're, they're gonna need to flood the zone to get it back. And there's also the issue of, uh, panic. Right? If you know that there's a lot of food, you're like, it's not gonna go away. You'll stand in line, right? You'll stand in line to get you and your, obviously your children food. But if you think there's only enough food for 10% of the people out there and you're trying to get food for your kid, it quickly turns into survival of the fittest. You know what I mean? So it's having a lot of food so the population can come back from the brink of starvation and stabilize.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  And that's the question, I think, uh, a lot of people are, are putting pressure on, uh, the Israeli government.

• 8:42Speaker 00

  What's the military, like strategic military advantage of like starving people?

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if you just look at it from a purely military perspective, it's population movement. Right? If you want a population to move from one place to another, you could shoot at them.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  They're doing that too.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Well, you can't, you can't, you can't just shoot at civilian, civilians. It's against the law of armed conflict. Or you can starve them, which is also against the law of armed conflict. In fact, it's one of the main impetuses of all the conventions that we collectively agreed to after World War II. Or you could just simply not starve them, but put food in another area so they have to leave to go there. I don't know if, I mean, maybe you have some international lawyers in the audience, but I don't know if that is also included in what's.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  In other words, you're, you're feeding them, but you're feeding them in a way that you're manipulating. And a big concern, and I don't know if this is going to be the case, is that's how they're going to get the civilians out of Gaza City. They just won't allow any food or water. They'll turn it off if there's even running water.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  Honestly, like I'm obviously clearly against this whole thing and you know, if the case was, hey, we're going to open up 400 aid sites and flood it with food and medicine and keep like off, like not attack the civilians that are going to get the food and medicine down in the south. I'm probably, I would probably be more okay with a, like a full occupation of Gaza City. That if they did something like that, uh, but I mean, it doesn't seem like they will. Uh, at least that doesn't look to be on the cards.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  And it's just a fucking, it's a tragedy of epic proportions and I know Hamas is dirty and they're fucking scumbags and they should be killed. Uh, but there's also like 1.9 million other people there that uh, ju- just luck of the draw. You know, got unlucky with where they were born.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  And I don't know how the US can continue to support this, gonna be frank. And I know like, we're never gonna send troops there, nor should we, but outside of contractors.

• 11:21Speaker 00

  But I don't know why we need to give them. I think, I think military aid should be contingent on people not starving to death.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Certainly make the argument, and the US, of course, is and will remain a big partner of Israel. I don't understand necessarily why they would want to use these techniques. I mean, I think the world's with them to your, to your point. Hamas is a despotic terrorist organization and, you know, uh, should be hunted down and killed, essentially. And they've shown no interest in, they brought all of, they spent all the money that they could have spent on infrastructure to support the citizens of Gaza, you know, in schools, hospitals.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  And I was, I was talking to a priest friend of mine the other day, and he pointed, he'd been there. He's like, you know, and they turned it over this, they had cafes and hospitals, Israel, that is. They had fields of agriculture and all that. And instead of building on that, Hamas built, spent billion dollar on a tunnel system for themselves, right? All for the purposes of eventually attacking Israel, right? Because you don't need a tunnel if you're not going to attack Israel. What's the point? A billion dollars with the tunnel systems? Right? So, um, yeah, I think they would have most of the the goodwill that counts in the world if they would not use civilian population in the controlling of food

• 12:55Speaker 01

  as part of their tactics here. But I think, I think a lot of Israelis agree with that.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, we have seen a ton of like protests, like hundreds of thousands of people. I think one was half a million people calling to like, you know, ceasefire, get the hostages back and, uh, you know, so it does seem like tide is turning, at least with the populace in Israel in terms of like, let's just get this over with. It's like,

• 13:22Speaker 00

  I mean, listen, I don't like Hamas either, right? I think, I think Israel and Mossad should go after them one by one strategically. What is, what they're clearly very good at, right? Like, that's what they excel in.

• 13:35Speaker 00

  The, in terms of like, some of the, some of that billion of dollars came from Israel too, right? Like, it wasn't, Netanyahu's government was, you know, funneling money through, through Qatar to Hamas before October 7th.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know the, all the details, but a lot of the money came from Iran.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Iran provided 90% of the support militarily to Hamas.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  And I, I have a hypothetical question, right? Let's say we're living in Brooklyn and Long Island and Queens and the rest of the boroughs are, you know, control who comes in and out. It's been like that for a long time. Wouldn't you set up a tunnel network too? In terms of like, being able to have a little bit more freedom of movement and not being tracked by Israel 24/7? Uh, I don't know if I agree completely with the open-air prison, what people call, call, but

• 14:30Speaker 00

  if there ever is one in the world, I mean, it was as close to it as possible. I don't know if I completely agree with that, because there was freedom, like, relative freedom of movement before October 7th, but, you know, their coastline was shut down, like, I don't know how I would rea-, I'm trying to put myself in that position and how I would react and how I would act, you know? And it's just tough for me. And again, I think the Hamas leadership and stuff should get clipped. I think they really should. I mean, but I would not be surprised as well if, like, Hamas's numbers are staying steady, because, you know, there's a bunch of young kids being radicalized, right? So, I, I wouldn't be surprised if recruitment was like, not in the dumps for Hamas or Islamic Jihad or any of the, the

• 15:15Speaker 00

  jihadi groups.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you could make an argument that if, when it was turned over by Israel when they left, uh, if you would have had a technocratic government that focused on the population itself and not, you know, perpetuating a terrorist war against Israel.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Think of the different places it would have been in. Right? And if they never attacked Israel, there's gonna be incredible pressure on Israel right now to have a have a Palestinian state.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Right? If they if they had avocado fields and orange fields and kids were going to school and they were prospering and they weren't attacking Israel. What would be the argument against the Palestinian state, even in Israel? Now, go try to talk about a two-state solution in Israel. Because they're gonna say, oh, we tried it. And guess who they elected? Hamas. Guess what they did? October 7. And ultimately, it doesn't matter the pressure of the international community. If Israel doesn't agree to it, we're not gonna have a we're not gonna have a Palestinian state, I don't think.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  So

• 16:25Speaker 01

  ultimately, it depends on what the people want. Do they want their children to be educated and have a future? Or do they want their children to, you know, join the jihad and go killing Israelis? And we're further away from like even talking about a two-state solution now, and we probably have been in our lifetime. And I think that's, you know, on the on the doorstep of Hamas, personally.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Also, like, yeah, what would a two-state solution actually look like? The West Bank is being settled.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  Dividing up the West Bank and they're settling. So if you look at, you know, I'm not a historian, like actual story, and I've obviously followed it. Every time there's been an offer to Palestinians and Israelis, when the Palestinians turned it down, the offer next time has gotten less.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  From the beginning, it was like 50-50 land split. Right? So It's

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• 18:54Speaker 01

  I mean, some people that support the two-state solution, basically, you know, probably coined the term, that the Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  And now look where we are.

• 19:08Speaker 00

  Jay, you got anything? I have one more question for Mick and you. No, go ahead, man. So Mick, you were a military advisor or DOD advisor, high up, CIA, SIS, J, you two, you guys were in the rooms.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  If you were advising a prime minister or president about what's going on with, what's happening now in Gaza, what would be the broad strategic, obviously not street to street tactics, but like what would be the broad strategic plan? In your eyes, I know this is, it's a thought exercise, obviously, but like,

• 19:44Speaker 01

  You mean it is Israelis?

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I mean, I would, you could already tell where I'd be on the restriction of food. I wouldn't use that at all. I'd accept the fact that Hamas is going to steal some food, right? So as you said, if there's 2 million people living in Gaza, Hamas started at 30,000. I think the IDF has probably reduced it to below 10,000, my guess. Yes, they're going to recruit more, but they recruit more because of the conditions, right? So I would, I would relook at that entirely and not, because you've got to keep, you know, not only international goodwill, but internal, I think. I mean, it's a democracy, right?

• 20:26Speaker 01

  So I don't think the Israelis are good with the conditions, the way they are, and to the extent that Israel's responsible for. And then there really has to be a militarily achievable set of objectives. I mean, politicians say stuff like, "We're going to annihilate, destroy Hamas." Okay, got it. So the US, the most significant superpower in the world, not just conventionally, but unconventionally, fought for 20 years to try to destroy Al Qaeda, ISIS, which came from Al Qaeda, and all the other espalages. They're still there, right? Because you can't just beat a philosophy with brute force.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  So I would set, and I'm sure the IDF would appreciate this, reasonable militarily objectives, and I think they think they've already met them. And then you have an exit plan. And it can't be tied to your own political, you know, fortunes or misfortunes. It's just what you need to do to ensure that Gaza will never be a safe haven for Hamas and never mount a threat to the state of Israel.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that sounds way more measured. Jay, go ahead. Yeah, no, I agree with everything that was just said, and I would also add that if we're going to bring it down just a little bit more, the one, one of the huge big reasons for this all starting after the October 7th attack was to get these, excuse me, the hostages back. So why not, once we, let's just say we do take Gaza City and, you know, we do occupy the country. Once we've done that, as Mick stated, bring in, let, allow the food in, because now, once you're feeding people, they'll be more apt to be like, okay, my kids are fed, I know where these hostages are, or I know a little bit of information.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Now I'd be more willing to give that to the IDF. Those sorts of things. I think right now, as tragic as it is, that the hostages are kind of an afterthought, because the Palestinian, or the, yeah, the Palestinians and Hamas, they don't, they're not gonna give up that information while people are starving. And the IDF and, you know, Israel is not going to, is not necessarily pushing that narrative to get them back, because people have other things on their mind, taking Gaza City or whatever it is. So I think most, as we discussed earlier, most, the average Israeli citizen wants those hostages back. That's what's foremost on their mind. As bad as it sounds to say, they don't care about,

• 23:10Speaker 02

  most of them don't care about the Palestinian, you know, the average Palestinian, because they want their people back, which I completely understand. Well, that's probably not gonna happen until you stabilize that area and allow food in. Then people will be more apt to give up that information. Hamas would probably, although they really don't care either. But how can they argue negotiating for the release of the hostages if their own people are now being fed and the things that they're saying are not happening are happening? So it'd be poof, Israel, to allow those things to happen, food to come in, you know, water, electricity and all that stuff.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Now you've taken every argument away from Hamas, you know, and you can work on getting them. Yep.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  That's a, that's a great point. That's exactly what I would propose. You know, on the intel side, I would, I would basically put the word out from Mossad and Shin Bet, if you're guarding one of these hostages, and you turn them over, you're going to be a wealthy person. Just would do it that way, right? How much time after we spend negotiating when you could just pay people off? And during a, a rescue attempt, I would tell them, if you keep the person alive, and he tells us when you get, when we recovery, that thanks to this guy who did not shoot me, uh, and kept me alive during the raid, same thing.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, maybe this is the way the intel's, you know, system works. And I'd be like, okay, uh, Moss leaders, you can leave Gaza. And I'd spend the rest of my existence tracking them down.

• 24:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  There's smart ways to do stuff. And there's, you know, that, um, and I'm not saying that not doing all this stuff. I actually don't know. So, uh, I would just, you know, I'm, I'm looking at it as a blank slate. So I don't know what they are or aren't doing.

• 25:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was, I had a question, like when we were in Iraq, right?

• 25:09Speaker 00

  From what I've heard from like people, folks that were there, whether they were army intelligence or CIA, whatever, is like we set up easier, easy mechanisms for people to come in with tips and stuff like that, right? Is that being done, do you think, in Gaza? Or, cause like Andy's mentioned it before, they go in, they clear, they get out, they go back in and clear again. Like they don't really kind of plant a flag, for lack of a better, like to simplify for my dumb brain.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  Like, so do they set that up where like they can have, like they have a forward operating base? And if somebody has information, they come and they debrief or they try and figure out what they're trying to say, you know?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  There's gotta be a way to do that. Uh, I mean, they do have a fob. What Andy's talking about is they're they're they're they're uh, straight infantry forces aren't trained to to clear and hold. They're basically clear and then retract back in the fob. I mean, I don't have any reason to say that Andy's not right about that. If that's the case, it causes a lot of issues, right? And our, like, we did Fallujah, we took it. Yeah. We didn't go take it and retract and let them take it back. And I mean, you don't have to be a regular warfare expert to know that's that's not very effective. But there's also an internal pressure that's gonna mount because they had to call sixty thousand reservists up for the Gaza City offensive and the rest of, you know, the twenty-five percent or

• 26:34Speaker 01

  whatever they don't occupy, plus retain twenty twenty thousand reservists that would have been getting off active duty now. Huge pressure. I mean, they're they rely on reservists, which is okay unless you're in a multi-year war on multi-fronts. Then they essentially you've take your whole population, not only disrupt their lives for years, you know, and I know a lot of Israelis, some wanted to be like doctors and lawyers and such. They kind of gave it up. Um, you know, take take three years out of a young person's life and it changes the dynamic. And uh, and it's very disruptive to the economy.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Right? People who would have finished college and gone to the tech industry and created other jobs and all that, they're all bartenders in Tel Aviv when they're not reservists.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  And nothing wrong with being a bartender in Tel Aviv, I'll tell you. Sure. Right? But if if you had an aspiration to go to finish, just like here, right? Just and all of a sudden you were told, eh, you're gonna take three years of your life. And so only thing they can do. Go fight in a war too, right? Like, see combat, like, how does that affect them in that way? Huge, huge PTSD issues. Yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  And to D, D, to answer your question from an intel standpoint, there are, well, I would assume Israel is good at intel. So there are mechanisms in place and they're called walk-ins where people have information and the traditional walk-in is usually like an embassy or something like that. You know, someone will say, hey, I have information, but I'm sure that Israel has mechanisms in place in Gaza for people to approach, probably not IDF because they don't want to get shot, but someone to say, hey, I have information that I want to pass on. So, and plus probably I'm sure

• 28:29Speaker 02

  before, if I'm, you know, remember correctly, before October 7th, Israel had networks in place, you know, I'm sure, and you know, people that they could call on and say, hey, you live here. What the hell is going on? So I don't know if they're there anymore. Either they've left or they're dead, more than likely, but at the very least, there's probably mechanisms in place. And I'm sure that Israeli intelligence is not just sitting back, you know, sitting on their hands. I'm sure they're in Gaza, talking to people. So there's mechanism in place.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  You guys think they're relying a little bit too much on SIGINT stuff?

• 29:10Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, the, the good intelligence is everything. It's not, you know, you know, like, let's do this, not that you do use it all. And sometimes you have, you know, better human or better SIGINT. And then a lot of SIGINT is actually human enabled, right? So it's, especially in today's, you know, intelligence world, it's all intermingled, right? And you need all the whole picture, the whole picture. And, you know, for example, SIGINT is very effective unless they think you're listening to them. And then they can turn it entirely around on you, right? And, and run

• 29:50Speaker 01

  basically an operation where you think what is being said is accurate, when they just want you to think that. Right? So it's, it's a challenge.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Tricky business intel, huh?

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at what happened in Iran with uh, um, before the uh, the US, um, we, we used our bunker busters. Um, when Israel was attacking Iran, there's that conversation between um, Israeli intelligence and that Iranian general. And they were telling him, you know, you have 20 hours to get out. So I'm sure that Israel again, has contacts within Hamas that they're talking to. And you know, back channel, um, uh, discussions. And they're getting some of the information that they need. But the problem is, is when you, I'm not saying, I'm not advocating for keeping them alive. But when you kill the people who would talk to you and give you the information, then there's nobody left to talk to.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  So now you have nothing but a military option. So, um, but I'm sure that there are people who are considering that.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  And I'm watching a series right now, as you might guess, called Rebellion. It's about the Irish Easter rising in 1914. And then the, then the actual successful, uh, you know, Michael Collins led 1920, right? So, uh, one, their whole, one of their main efforts in intel side was to get the list of the informants, right? And then there's a spring of assassinations by the 12 disciples, right? Uh, fascinating, but one of the parts now, and you've already, if you guys have seen it, is just one of the ladies that works for the castle, right? So the Brits, um, she's about to lose her, uh, out of wedlock child.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  It's going to be sold. And so the IRA figures that out and they leverage it essentially to keep her from losing her child if she can. So intel is not a pretty business, right? It's not a pretty business at all, but it has major impact, um, if done correctly. And, and Collins, before he became the ultimate leader of the rebellion was the intel guy.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  I got one more thing about like the reservists. Uh, you mentioned 60K being called up plus the 20K that were supposed to rotate back or staying on. Couple of weeks ago, the chief of staff of the IDF came out and said they would need 200,000. So i- is that number, the 60K that are being called up, call it 80 with a 20, they're staying. Uh, is that like, kinda negotiated a little bit? And like, I I'm assuming Netanyahu are thinking about like, oh shit. Maybe I should call up a little bit less, so like, I don't piss off as many pe- right, like. You know, it's the same thing we had when like Obama came into office, right? And he wanted, he wanted to get out of Iraq, but he wanted to like, kinda surge a little bit in Afghanistan.

• 32:54Speaker 00

  And they were trying to come together on like, the number of troops that they were gonna send there, right? Uh, and you know, the generals want quarter million, right? They didn't want as many people as possible, but like, then you look at the political side of it, and they ended up at a number. I don't remember, 100K or whatever it was.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Is that what's happening in terms of how many reservists they're calling up? Like, is there political consideration being thought into it? I has to, I am assuming it has to be.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think there's about five divisions in Gaza right now. Uh, I don't know how many that is total, but maybe 200,000 to the entire thing on a rotational basis. But it, you know, some people believe, and we'll find out, that this whole plan is basically to put pressure on Hamas to accept an agreement that Israel wants, right? So this is long buildup to this, and and it's believed that most Hamas that are remaining are in Gaza City. Right, so this is very, uh, important to them. So, uh, it may be, and it's like a long lead up time, like October 7th, you know, on the anniversary is supposed to be that date that it like, fully kicks off.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  So hopefully, whether it's the intent or not, and we all know, what we know is you brought in in the lead up. The Hamas has accepted an agreement from June, they say. So we still gotta wait to see if, uh, if they, if Israel accepts it. Hopefully they do, since they agreed with it in June. Uh, it would be better if Hamas actually accepted agreements when offered, right? Cause generally they expire.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  The hell with that. If it's if they if Israel accepted it then, it seems like they can accept it now. They could get hostages back. There's around 20. And that's, you know, I don't know. It's sad thing to say, but it's likely that that 20 is going to be diminished every week. Because of the conditions. So the quicker they can do that. And and you know, there's been reports that the IDF senior leadership have told the prime minister's office. We pretty much accomplished everything that you've told us to. So like, what is the purpose of continuing the conflict? At the expense of potentially the remaining living hostages? And the expensive more Israeli soldiers who are undoubtedly gonna be killed or seriously injured in the Gaza city offensive.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  So hopefully they can get to.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Ah, man. It's a it seems like a nightmare. All right. If you guys you guys are good on that, you guys have anything else to to add to like Israel Gaza?

• 35:39Speaker 00

  All right. So we'll push through. Uh. You know, obviously, we had the big summit last week on Friday. Putin met with Trump in Alaska. A glaze session occurred. Nothing came out of it. Um, then on Monday, we had Zelensky and a gaggle of European leaders, UK, France, Germany. Uh, NATO and other guys, Italy, Finland, a ton of people. Uh, in the White House. Uh, I am assuming figuring out next steps, what the what the points would be. Obviously, the biggest point is a security guarantee. Uh, what that looks like. Is it? Is it actually going to be Article Five like or not?

• 36:22Speaker 00

  Um, Trump indicated initially that Putin was open to having some sort of NATO like or Article Five like a security guarantee. But since then, uh, it seems like they've been walking that back. Um, Lavrov, who looks like a melted candle. Um, he.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Said that no way we want Western troops in there or NATO troops in Ukraine and stuff like that. It seems like they want their security to guarantee to be up to Russia. How you just trust us, bro. We got this. Don't worry. Trust. Just trust me. That doesn't seem like that. Oh, it shouldn't go anywhere and shouldn't. It should be an absolute nonstarter. What are you guys looking at with this? Tell me. Teach me.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  So, I mean, if you look at what Russia is asking for, let's just start with them. They want the territory they've already taken unlawfully. They want territory that they don't own and haven't taken to be given to them. They want Ukraine to disarm. Literally disarm. They don't want any European troops in Ukraine. They want Chinese. I don't know if the Chinese would agree to that insanity. They don't want Ukraine to ever be able to join NATO. It's so maximalist, it's absurd. And we should call it as that. We should just like, we're not talking about

• 37:51Speaker 01

  it. This is the, this is, the US came up with a plan and I, and I think Lieutenant General Kellogg is going back soon. I'm not saying he was the one that came up with the whole plan, but he's the one that presented it. He's, it sounds like him. Which is what the Europeans are trying to do, which is the European, the Ukrainians accept certain that, you know, facts. Yes, the Russians are on this territory. It's unlikely we'll be able to get it back. Doesn't mean they concede illegally. They just say it is what it is. Right? They can always seek legal recourse, try to get their territory back. They freeze the lines. They bring in tens of thousands of European forces, which they've already signed on to the coalition,

• 38:34Speaker 01

  they're willing. And that there is a blanket security guarantee similar to Article Five. And there's no permanent ban on Ukraine joining NATO. If you look at Finland, Finland gave away 10% of its, uh, his territory to Soviet Union. Uh, they agreed to stay neutral.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  And then now they're NATO. Like there's a model to do, but the, the, the US and Europe has to stand firm and stop just being pushed around. I mean, we had this summit, they said that he's okay with Article Five, now they're saying they're not. Right? We had a meeting at the White House, brought all these, you know, allies of ours, who all talked about sending their own forces in. And now, as you just said, the rest is not good with it. Well,

• 39:23Speaker 01

  issues is, isn't just a one-sided thing. We have to adjust every time they did, they change their mind. This is the plan. And if you don't do it, we're going to impose secondary sanctions. Sanctions don't actually work when you don't actually trade with the country. We don't trade with Russia. So sanctions are kind of a role. Has to be secondary sanction. Frozen assets, there's about nine billion in the United States, about three, and I think three hundred and twenty-five billion in Europe.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  That's gotta be, that's gotta be getting some interest too, you know what I mean? Like, that's gotta be going up, so.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Tranches to let Ukraine buy F-16s, um, attackums, uh, Patriots, whatever they think they need, right? Uh, it all has to be in a row. And then I think Europe should start training and planning for this, uh, you know, deployment. If there's a ceasefire, and they need to start talking about what is the red line? You know, that, that's a risky thing to say, but are they gonna allow Ukraine to be taken total?

• 40:25Speaker 01

  But the US and the Europeans, in my opinion, need to start pushing back harshly, uh, at least diplomatically and militarily, right? So if, if they're buying thirty billion dollars a month from their own, from Russian frozen assets, that's a lot of, that's a lot of material they need it. So i- if we're just, if we're just gonna go with, uh, you know, show having meetings and let Russia just delay and delay and delay, I think we're making a mistake.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Something else too, I think, uh, needs to be discussed is, um, if, you know, uh, if Ukraine cedes that, that, what Russia's already taken, what about the people that are, the Ukrainians that are in that territory? Are they going to be allowed to come out? You know, of their own free will? That's, that's something that needs to be considered.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. And, and I mean, ultimately, the Ukrainians have to pass a referent. I mean, what if, you know, I mean, you could use all the analogies, but say half of, half of the country or, actually, it's a fifth of the country was occupied by a foreign invader? Are you going to be willing to, not only vote to give your terrain up, but your people?

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Or is part of that going to be, you have to, if we agree, you have to pay to resettle all these people in Ukraine and rehouse them. It's complicated.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  That's why there needs to be a ceasefire before the negotiations start, or they're just going to keep fighting. Cause even if they had a goodwill, which I don't think they do, but even if they did, it would still take months to go through all of the issues and all the kids that they stole. I mean, that's insane.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Thirty thousand.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Deals kids.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  Um, and, uh, the German chancellor brought that up too, in his remarks, in like the Oval Office or wherever they were, uh, speaking with Trump, Donald Trump and, uh, the rest of the European leaders. Um, he actually was pretty firm in it, which was good. The Italian, like they're, listen, Europe's saying the right things. And I think Europe's down to do it. I mean, are they sitting in rooms together with their advisors and stuff like that, or even, you know, prime minister to prime minister saying, we might have to go this solo without the US?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  Right?

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 00

  Now, I'm not even just saying like troops, I'm saying just generally like let's pressure Putin to like come to terms with us and Zelensky. And the US is gonna do whatever the US is gonna do, this administration, you know. Makes it kind of clear that they're kind of a little bit easy on Putin. Um, just that Lavrov triggers me bad, like rocking this CCP sweater, like, bro, get fucking lost, bro. Get out of here, you fucking ogre.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  So what do you think happens next? There was some talk that possibly Zelensky and Putin would be meeting at the end of August. Doesn't seem like that's gonna happen. It seems to have cooled off.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  What and and at the same time, Russia is pounding Ukraine with like drones, a ton of drones. Uh, I I think like 500 hit one night in one night and they're not really discerning from military targets. They're hitting civilian targets.

• 43:50Speaker 00

  What do we see happening next here?

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Well, I mean.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Russia's going to make incremental gains, but it's important to point out there is no real path to victory.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Unless everybody just stops supporting you. Right? So look how long we're into it now, three years and. 200 some days.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, closing in on three and a half years.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so. What are we gonna do collectively if we keep supporting them? And of course, these. Right now, the US is supporting them with funds that were approved in the last administration. So are we gonna just let it run out? Um, and if we are.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Why are we even involved in this?

• 44:40Speaker 01

  You know, um, to your point, D, Europeans should take the lead. They should start releasing the funds there and their banks. Uh, and they should, they should start planning and preparing to be. The main, you know, support for Ukraine.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  I mean, if we've advocated that role, there you go.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  Getting what we wanted.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean,

• 45:08Speaker 01

  but then, you know, I think Ukraine will clearly fight to the end. I don't see them giving up ever, or they would have done it already.

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• 46:14Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, they've lost how many people? So then now they're going to give up? That's not going to happen.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  And I think there's going to have to be a reckoning with the support network for Russia. There's going to be a lot of pressure put, especially if we can get secondary sanctions, but I don't, I don't know why they, there's 85 plus senators that support the Graham Blumenthal bill. Secondary sanctions would really affect.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Is it, is there a problem in the House? Do they not need the House to pass this?

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I think it passed the House.

• 46:54Speaker 00

  Then let's do it, man. Like, what are they so scared of, dude? The midterms are far away enough where you could fucking make this happen. So you're politically kind of covered. I mean, if Trump goes after you, maybe you're not as politically covered and stuff like that, but just do it. Put up or shut up, man. These guys like being, go ahead, sorry.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  No, I'm just saying the polls I've seen shows America's all about supporting Ukraine, still are, both sides of the aisle.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  This is, this is secondary sanctions. Like you won't get secondary sanctions if you stop buying oil for Russia. And we're tariffing everybody anyway.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Right. If Canada could catch a smack, so could Russia, you know what I mean? And or, or the people that buy oil from Russia.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  Just think like you said, like how the Ukrainians, you know, not willing to give up, right? And when Kiev was encircled or semi encircled back in 22. Andy Milburn was there and he said, he's like a, a city of three million people. Twenty-five percent of them stayed. That's 750,000 people who are down to fucking fight. Um, so yeah, this isn't a country that's going to roll over because they would have rolled over already.

• 48:07Speaker 00

  And they're fucking democratic, by the way, guys, just FYI, like I, it's so insane to me how this is.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  How this is even like a thing where like we, we can't get on the same page or not even get on the same page, but we can't get the American president to do what? Most fucking normal sane people would do. Sorry. I said it.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Once you allow this, I mean, if your, if your main effort is countering China, right? And you abandon Ukraine to Russia.

• 48:35Speaker 00

  You're just. You ain't coming to Taiwan's face. Yeah. You're not coming to Taiwan's defense. Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Right?

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Totally. It doesn't matter how many aircraft carriers you send to the Indo-Pacific. If they don't believe you're willing to push back and on, in any reasonable or any significant way. You see what I mean? And if you just abandon Ukraine, then they're like, well, that's how you support your.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  Right.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Your, your allies and partners. Uh, and it's not just restricted to Taiwan, who says that they don't try to take seas or their islands or other countries and. Right, they just say, well, the the international community will say a lot, so we'll get a lot of harsh tweets. I don't care. Why would, why would the Chinese Communist Party care if, uh, you know, the Western world sends negative tweets?

• 49:23Speaker 00

  No, yeah. They're not, people in China are not gonna see it anyway, so you know.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  They don't see it anyway, I don't care.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  They just, you know.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  And also, what does that say to you, like, your, your historic allies of eighty years, you know, Japan and South Korea and stuff like that? It's like, hey, fuck you guys, you're on your own.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Uh, and you, I mean, we do see Japan, you know, starting to like go beyond the one percent of like their, their GDP to defense and stuff. Yeah, they have to do it. I mean, um.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  What, so I know they game this out, but let's say you're, you're, you're, European countries, you know, the seven or so that came to the White House. We're like, all right, we're gonna send about a hundred and fifty thousand troops to Ukraine. We're gonna fucking bring them in and put it to Russia to be like, you wanna try, like, is that something that you, you, I guess, like, what, what plays out? If that were to happen, you think Russia actually hits us or them?

• 50:22Speaker 01

  You mean before there's a ceasefire?

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Before there's a ceasefire, they just start bringing people in.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  I mean, there'd be a lot of, you know, wringing of hands and clutching of pearls when even talking about it. But we have one country

• 50:38Speaker 01

  that up until the, the night of the invasion was saying they were gonna do it, and they invaded a, a country and now deliberately targeting civilians. You know, when is Europe gonna wake up and say? Part of it, they are, right? They're, they're spending up to five percent on their own defense. That's great. Talk, they've already agreed to be the coalition of the willing, sub, after the ceasefire.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  That's why I'm saying, what's their red line? Why aren't they planning it and actually training right now so Russia can know?

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  Are they gonna let them take Kiev? And maybe you don't want to make this public, but you got to plan for it. Hopefully they're willing to. Cause if not, wow. The next, the next country is gonna go. You're just showing Putin that it was, if he could take you, I don't think he can actually take you crazy. But just under your hypothetical.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Um, if he come close to it, although are the Europeans willing to actually draw the line? Send forces insane, we're not fighting you unless you fight us. Like this is our line. So you're not getting Kiev, but if you attack us, obviously we're gonna defend ourselves. And if you're not willing to do that, are you willing to watch Ukraine go down? And then where are you gonna make your stand? The next Moldova, where's, where's the next country you're gonna make your stand? And he's not gonna believe you will, because you're just showing you won't. So from his perspective, he doesn't care about international law or morals or ethics. Why not take another country?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  And I think we're going to, we as in the US is going to be a big uh litmus test for that. Like, so let's just say Europe does send in those hundred twenty five thousand. Russia's gonna look past Europe to us to see, to try to gauge what our uh reaction would be to it. Do we protest the fact that they sent those uh troops in there? Cause now that's a crack, that's a fissure in, you know, in NATO. Um, and if, and even beyond that, are we saying, okay, those hundred twenty five thousand are there, uh Putin? So you touch any of them, now we're gonna get involved. And if we stay silent, or if we turn on Europe uh and uh start scolding them for sending them in?

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Well, I don't see them, I, I don't put it past Putin to say, take advantage of it. And uh, if you want to hit them, hit them. So I think we're the.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  There's an interesting point that I talked to somebody that day about the article five part of NATO. Isn't as actually ironclad as you think it is? At least that's what this person was.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  It's like the language general?

• 53:21Speaker 01

  The language is is general like we come to each other's defense, but it doesn't specify what that means. You know what I mean? I'd like to, I mean, I'm, I should do more research on it, but this person was saying it could be like strongly written declaration all the way up to like we're fighting right, you know, elbow to elbow with you. I don't know. I don't know that there is. I don't, I don't know that it is ironclad as, I'll just speak for myself, thought it was. Like you attack Poland, we're it. Like we're, we're starting to mobilize forces. We're going over there. I think that's what people think.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  I think that's what we hope, but I don't know, like, for example, and if they deploy as France, Germany, the UK, not as NATO, right? Um, and if they go, hey, look, we're not gonna, somebody has to ask for Article Five. Like we did after nine 11 and all these people fought next. It was for 20.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  It's interesting is like, would they take the precedent of, of what happened after nine 11 and how it was invoked and people and other countries came and helped us, right? Like they sent troops, they send equipment, um, intelligence sharing, the whole, you know, not, they didn't send aircraft carriers and stuff because some, most of them don't have them, but you know, they did send people to come and fight and die.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  They did for us after nine 11, including in Iraq, which had nothing to do with that.

• 54:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, yeah, that's an interesting, uh, oh God. You know, is it worth, what is it worth? Is it worth the paper that's written on or is not, you know?

• 54:59Speaker 01

  And they sent, they sent folks to Syria. And we're still fighting Syria. So hats off to the, uh, the team. Like the JSOC out in Syria that just took out the next ISIS. I think he was going to be the ISIS leader. Uh, we kind of forget that it's still going on. Those guys are out there.

• 55:19Speaker 00

  Still hooking and jabbing.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely. The Delta guys are just still crushing it every day. Well past when most of the global war on terror is kind of, you know, over.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  What do you guys make on, we'll wrap this up, obviously, because this is a bit in the news, but it's a quick hit. Where like, we're, we're pulling folks out of Iraq. Did you see that a little bit? But um.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  What do you make of that in terms of being able to, you know, fight ISIS and?

• 55:55Speaker 00

  Things to that nature.

• 55:57Speaker 01

  I like maintaining presence everywhere I'm allowed to, to be frank. Projecting force means you actually have to project force, not just a theory. That everything can come from the states.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  We're not actively involved in combat, I understand that part for sure. I don't want American soldiers, sailors, airmen, marine, all of the world. Fighting. But especially in Iraq, it's, we're in advisory capacity. So we're on, you know, fortified bases owned by the Iraqis. And we're just in advising capacity. But they're, they're an sovereign country, and if they have decided they don't longer want us, then I also don't think we should force ourselves to stay. In other words, just saying we're not leaving. So I think that's the scenario we're in now, although there's probably plenty in this administration that don't want us there anyway. So it might be, if you don't want us here, fine, we're out of here. We could, we could move to Syria.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  And it's not a, it's not a complete, it's just the, the military members that are not part of the embassy team.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  But I think it's in our interest to stay.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  I mean, we don't have a JSOC element or a ground branch element there. We must have. I mean, what are we doing?

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Uh, so I don't know, I wouldn't say, but.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  The.

• 57:16Speaker 00

  Disclaimer.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  There's two different things, right? So JSOC is going to fall under the military.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Ground, it's different, different authority, you know, special activity center, ground.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  Title 10, title 50, right?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would hope that we push to keep.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Certainly JSOC folks and the Title 50 folks, it's in their interest, right? They're they're they they have a big neighbor who likes the metal in their stuff all the time, who's built armed forces in Iraq that they essentially control or strongly influence to the point.

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Talking about Iran?

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Yes, Iran. So the PMC's, the Hosnall, Shab, Shabi, all those units, which are still huge problems and there's big, I mean, we don't cover it as much anymore in the media, but you know, a group of these Iran-backed controlled groups just took over government building as they wanted to. And so it's a it's a big issue. It's in that what I'm saying is it's in the government of Iraq's interest to have some kind of counterbalance to Iran. Because they're work gone. They obviously can't really push back significantly. So hopefully they see that. And we should keep our mission in Syria.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  It also helps us counter Iran in Syria. And of course, you know, we want to declare the end of the global war on terror, but the enemy gets a vote. One one giant explosion in Times Square that emanated from Syria or Afghanistan. You know how this works?

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  You were in New York on nine 11. That's when Americans start pulling out the maps. Going, what? Right?

• 59:08Speaker 00

  We start talking about manifest destiny and shit, you know?

• 59:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  It's it's not over just because we say it's over. And thank goodness for the hard work of the intel community and the military for being out there doing what they're doing in places like Syria.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  All right, I'm done. I got enough. I'm spent. I don't know about you guys. I'm ready for a nap.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  All good? Um, yeah. I want everyone to do us a favor and like and subscribe. Patreon.com slash the team house. Check out the guys links down in the description. Fogbow, Lobo, Jason Lyons, his links are down in the description. You want to connect with him on LinkedIn or connect with him on Blue Sky or whatever. He's down there. Andy Milburn, of course, he's working out right now. He's working on his biceps.

• 59:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, as always, guys, a pleasure. Thank you. Thanks, Josh. Take care, Zans.

• 1:00:01Jack Murphy?

  Hey, guys, I want to tell all of you today about a new newsletter that we're launching that encompasses both the Team House Podcast, the Eyes On Podcast, and the High Side News Outlet, which I run with Sean Naylor. The newsletter is going to be once a week. It's going to come into your inbox, and you're going to get the most current podcasts on Eyes On and the Team House and whatever's topical or current on the High Side. So it's another way for us to get the information out to you as social media algorithms are pretty iffy and you never really know what you're going to get. So this is a once a week email. It'll slide into your inbox and it will have, you know, the greatest hits of that week. It's really good, man. I'm checking it out.

• 1:00:45Jack Murphy?

  The website for it is teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Teamhousepodcast.kit.com/join. Go there and you enter into your email list, or you enter your email into the little thing on the website and you're good to go. And that'll be it. So we really appreciate your support and hope you'll consider signing up.

• 1:01:08Speaker 08

  Where's the link?

• 1:01:10Jack Murphy?

  The link will also be down in the description if you're looking for it there. And that's teamhousepodcast.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:02:51Speaker 05

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  So join us and hear their stories and more because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 1:04:59Speaker 05

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 1:05:25Speaker 10

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• 1:05:38Speaker 11

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